Braves

By Troy

March 19, 2007 12:36 PM | Link to this

DOB- with all of the youngsters impressing us this spring, I would be interested in what the projected AAA Richmond roster is shaping up to be to begin the season? Do you think you could provide us with this info?

By Patrick

March 19, 2007 12:39 PM | Link to this

DOB,

Nice piece by the way…

With the way Diaz is playing this spring do you even think he’ll make the team or is Wilson’s should that much a concern that the Braves feel they have no choice?

And I know this isn’t as imminent to mention but what has been the buzz about Brandon Jones? He’s been looking great

By ssiscribe

March 19, 2007 12:39 PM | Link to this

Two weeks from now, it starts for real in Philly. Man, time flies, and I must fly through this and get back to it:

KJ starts at second base. Langerhans starts in left. I’d still like to see Thorman play most of the time at first, although I am beginning to think this is going to be, in the beginning, more of a platoon.

I just don’t think Escobar is ready for the majors, not yet. Needs a little more time in the minors. Yes, he’s been impressive, but it’s spring training. And yes, he was impressive in the AFL last fall, but that’s the AFL. It’s not what the kid will face at the big-league level.

I’m worried a bit about Aybar, considering he’s a nice fit for leadoff and is the backup third baseman, a position where the starter hasn’t (and isn’t) exactly been healthy. Need him healthy (need the starter healthy even more so).

I’m not sure Prado goes to Richmond or not. At the start of camp, I had him on the roster. Now, even though he has hit very well, I think the organization wants him playing every day, instead of sitting. Escobar needs to play every day, too.

That’s all I got for now. I’ll be glad when things on my end slow down in a few days and I can spend more time swapping baseball talk with the good people in the Braves/ManInBlack.

Selah. The Scribe abides.

—30—

By Renegator

March 19, 2007 12:41 PM | Link to this

DOB,

Great insite. What do you think the Braves will do with their stockpile of middle infielders? Will we lose Pena Jr. this year? Will we have room for both Lillibridge and Escobar in the future? Is Johnson going to play 2nd beyond this year or might he go back into the OF to make room for these exciting prospects next year?

By ElbravoX

March 19, 2007 12:43 PM | Link to this

Who cares, let’s just play ball!

By Summerteeth

March 19, 2007 12:46 PM | Link to this

I know I like this team and the improvements I have seen individually with Francoeur and Hudson. Starting pitching and the overall pitching of players expected to on the opening day lineup has been tremendous. Can’t complain about KJ at 2B because we have Prado just in case. And we have never had this much depth…period.

I think it is out year!

But what do I know, I like peanut butter and bacon sammiches.

By N8

March 19, 2007 12:52 PM | Link to this

Alright!!!

A new blog for Coach and I to round-n-round on!

Just kidding.

By Lew

March 19, 2007 12:52 PM | Link to this

DOB-I think KJ will be the starter at second, no question. I think Langerhans will (and damn well should be) the starting left fielder. I’ve said so for two years and his spring hitting, while not indicative of success during the season, makes him deserving of the opportunity. I would like to see Escobar as the back up at third. I think he has infinite more potential than Prado. However, I can see sense in BC’s rationale to send him down and let him play full time. Thorman will come around and a platoon of Thorman/Wilson seems workable to me if Thorman doesn’t hit like suspected.

By timo

March 19, 2007 12:52 PM | Link to this

Thanks for your great spring coverage, DOB! I have been reading every blog this spring. Kelly Johnson will be on 2B, who else would bat leadoff anyway apart from everythig else? I really don’t know about LF. All options seem mediocre, not great. Maybe Langy will really come around but I somehow don’t believe it. I think however that Craig Wilson needs to play, either 1B or LF - every day!

By kdbanks

March 19, 2007 12:54 PM | Link to this

DOB,

It seems to me that with Wilson not quite ready to play OF, you have to keep Langerhans (start) and Diaz (backup) in leftfield.

With Chipper’s injury, needing someone who can backup SS, and the questions at 2b, you have to have either Orr or Escobar on the opening day roster as the backup 3B/2B or 3B/SS respectively, and Prado or Woodward, depending on Woodward’s health.

So it’s

Thorman Johnson Renteria Jones Orr/Escobar Prado/Woodward Wilson

Add the 2 catchers and 4 outfielders, and that leaves you room for 12 pitchers.

I think it’ll be Orr and Woodward, but their injuries are making me wonder. Aybar will be DL’d to start the season so he can get some at bats.

By Arkansas Hillbilly

March 19, 2007 12:54 PM | Link to this

Black Eye, huh? I’m sensing a subliminal joke at the expense of Carolina Lady, here.

By Lew

March 19, 2007 12:59 PM | Link to this

Hillbilly-I ain’t all that subliminal, Dude. It’s relatively blatant.

By David O'Brien

March 19, 2007 1:02 PM | Link to this

Yes, I think they’ll waive or trade Pena.

Yes, room for Lillibridge (second base) and Escobar (shortstop or third) in the future, if they can resist trading either (I’m fairly certain they’ll keep Lillibridge, but you never know if some team might make a hard-to-turn-down offer for Escobar.

I say Lillibridge at second only because I see Andrus at shortstop in a few years. But if for some reason they traded Escobar, perhaps they’d hold on to Edgar through 2008 season and the plug in Lillibridge at shortstop in 2009, then move him to second when Andrus arrives. Just so many ways they could go, only speculation right now.

Harry, no better condiment than mayo? How ‘bout barbecue sauce, hot sauce, salsa, ketchup, spicy mustard, yellow mustard … many better, in my view.

Then again, I’ve never seen what I thought to be anything less than an outstanding performance by Lucinda, so maybe our tastes are just different. No problem. I do know most people like mayo. I just happen to hate it.

By Not-A-Blogger

March 19, 2007 1:03 PM | Link to this

Just FYI for DO’B:

Hitting it “in the screws” is a golf term, dating from when wooden drivers had hard inserts screwed into the center of the club-face.

Early April rocks. The start of the MLB season and the Masters in the same week.

By StingerSplash

March 19, 2007 1:03 PM | Link to this

DOB, I noticed you didn’t mention Pena Jr. and I wonder if his being out of options also makes it that much more difficult to trade him - in other words, why would a team get a guy they can do little with as far as roster maneuvering? Starting LF - Langerhans (with him, Andruw and Francoeur, not many balls fall into the gaps, no?) 2B - Johnson. INF backups - Aybar and Woodward. 1B - Thorman OF/1B backup - Wilson. That leaves decisions on Diaz and Pena, depending on how many pitchers the Braves break camp with.

By 22oz

March 19, 2007 1:04 PM | Link to this

I still think its a load of crap that Pete Orr is not even considered for the second base job, not to mention he’ll probably lose the backup job too, all because Chris Woodward has that oh so valuable “experience”. How do you expect someone to have experience if you don’t let them get experience? Sounds like a Yogi Berra quote i know, but its true. Everyone’s raving b/c Francoeur is hitting over .400, but if a lesser known person does it, its dismissed as “its only 3 weeks in the spring.”

By DonCoburleone

March 19, 2007 1:05 PM | Link to this

One thing I do know for sure, and I called it over a week ago, 1st base is a guaranteed platoon. Cox is in love with platoons, and Wilson’s bat and lack of a good LF glove will almost certainly earn him 200-300 AB’s at first this year.

I would say at this point, left field is more likely to be won outright by Langerhans than First base is by Thorman.

By TN-MAN

March 19, 2007 1:07 PM | Link to this

DOB,no Andruw again today? Its not like Andruw to sit out, is he hurt worse than they are saying?

By Braveheart

March 19, 2007 1:11 PM | Link to this

any chance that Wilson just becomes the starting first baseman?

are we going to expect any better out of the wilson/thorman platoon than wilson’s career .265, .354, .480?

Wilson is a monster versus lefties during his career: .396, .395, .543.

Should we expect Thorman to really put up better than Wilson has in his career against righties: .253, .338, .455?

That sounds like exactly what we are expecting out of thorman against righties. Thorman was .276, .342, .452 in the minors (overall - righties and lefties - can’t find the splits breakdown for minors).

So, then why waste an extra roster spot with thorman? It especially does not make sense if Wilson is unable to play outfield right now due to his injury. Putting Thorman down in the minors would allow the Braves to keep one of the infielders around. Also, with Wilson unable to play the outfield, the Braves would only have 4 outfielders on the roster (although I guess thorman and kelly have experience out there as well). So, maybe the play should be to send Thorman down and trade for an extra outfielder (Hairston, maybe?).

It may not happen now but by early June, I think Thorman might be back in the minors, with Wilson the everyday first baseman.

Just some of my random speculation and thoughts on it.

By DonCoburleone

March 19, 2007 1:13 PM | Link to this

“Harry, no better condiment than mayo? How ‘bout barbecue sauce, hot sauce, salsa, ketchup, spicy mustard, yellow mustard … many better, in my view.

Then again, I’ve never seen what I thought to be anything less than an outstanding performance by Lucinda, so maybe our tastes are just different. No problem. I do know most people like mayo. I just happen to hate it.”

Couldn’t agree with you more DOB, I freakin’ hate mayo!!!

By journalist jimmy smith

March 19, 2007 1:18 PM | Link to this

oh, the humanity! dob has roughed up carolina lady! will there be a black-eye edition birdhouse? and did aybar have good hands when the braves traded for aybar? how many hand injuries has aybar had? and if chipper is still feeling a boo-boo today what journalist will approach chipper and ask for comment? carroll rogers, right? uh, chipper has to be charming with carroll rogers. and whither the whiskers? will chopping off the whiskers improve chipper’s strength and conditioning? and if escobar does make the team and does play third base and whistles while on third base will escobar be known as the whistler who was working while the whiskers were wresting? and whither the wurlitzer? and if the wurlitzer will soon be awarded will the wrangling for the next wurlitzer begin soon? journalist must rest.

By DonCoburleone

March 19, 2007 1:18 PM | Link to this

“I still think its a load of crap that Pete Orr is not even considered for the second base job, not to mention he’ll probably lose the backup job too, all because Chris Woodward has that oh so valuable “experience”.”

No, I think it’s more because Pete Orr batted .253 last year with an OBP of .277! That is supposed to start at 2b and leadoff? As long as Orr still has options, send him down and leave Woodward as the backup… Any injuries, call him back up. The guy (Orr) turns 28 years old in June, don’t you think he is what he is at this point?

By Summerteeth

March 19, 2007 1:19 PM | Link to this

Mayo is OK. I can handle it in small amounts or the light version.

You know what I DON’T get? Uma Thurman. Never understood that.

By Lew

March 19, 2007 1:23 PM | Link to this

22oz-I think people rave about Francouer’s performance because he seems to have taken steps to remedy his inadequacies from last season. He is seemingly more patient and willing to go to the opposite field. Orr doesn’t have much of a track record, hasn’t performed all that well when he has played and is seemingly not thought to have the potential to start for an appreciable length of time. Francoeur has always been viewed as a superstar in the making and this spring seemingly confirms expectations coming to fruition. Orr is another substitute player and no matter how much you, me, or anyone else likes him, there’s plenty more where he came from. Utility type infielders are not an endangered species like stud starters are. He’s much more replaceable than Francoeur. The same goes for Hudson’s spring. Does it mean he’s fixed everything and will be an ace again? Who knows? However, it looks like his sinker is working and it didn’t last year as much as in the past. This would lead you to believe that some improvement is in store. Not guaranteed, mind you, but a real fine indication of problems being remedied.

By dadgum

March 19, 2007 1:24 PM | Link to this

HEY DOB….I envy you there in baseball heaven. The house,pool,jacuzzi, Ok I’ll stop there. Was in the same type rental house in October during a convention. Not a bad gig. Sorry but I got Ohio State over KU in my pool. At least I got you guys in the final but hardly a stretch I admit.

Escobar will definitely make the roster. The Braves can’t afford to trade him due to his youth and affordable contract especially with his defense and .400+ spring average albeit against watered down pitching to a point. Everone else is facing the same pitching as well and not hitting like that.

While indeed the Braves need to win now and Escobar is a ready replacement for Chipper in an injury situation, Escobar can help in other ways while being groomed to replace Chipper if that is what the Braves have in mind. The Braves will start with Kelly Johnson in my opinion at 2nd but don’t be surprised if Escobar gets a look there. The main thing is how much has Escobar been working with Renteria. My guess is that the chemistry with Johnson is looking good and you simply can’t throw Escobar in the mix at 2nd without significant pre-season work together with Edgar. For that reason alone I like Kelly Johnson as the starter.

Good luck this year DOB and when you are up in DC at the games I am sure thoughts of the good times in the rental house will pop up.

By DC Braves Fan

March 19, 2007 1:25 PM | Link to this

DOB - What about Brandon Jones in LF? What better way to get seasoning than to play at the MLB level (they allowed Andruw to do so at a much younger age). And sure he’ll go through some growing pains, but at least he has A.Jones next to him to take him under his wing…much like A. Jones started at LF/RF with Grissom, Lofton, and likes, providing guidance.

By flbravesgirl

March 19, 2007 1:28 PM | Link to this

Perhaps we should say the song of the day is in honor of Carolina Lady?

By Mad Mike

March 19, 2007 1:29 PM | Link to this

1B- Wilson/Thorman Platoon 2B- Johnson LF- Langerhans (who I will now begin affably referring to as “Longhorns.” I knew he was a Texan…didn’t know he was a U. of Texas fan. Now it seems like the obvious nickname. And it’s easier to say.) Is it possible he had his own sophomore slump last year? I mean, I loved the guy’s defense from Day 1 with the Baby Braves. And I thought he was gonna be our clutch guy in the playoffs. Maybe he’ll pick up the batting average this year and make us all wonder why we ever doubted him….

Back ups- Orr, Prado (who I would actually rather see at Richmond playing full time), Aybar, and I really don’t know about the 4th/5th outfielder. I guess we gotta take Diaz, but is he tradeable DOB? In which case what are the chances of Willie Harris making the team? He could be a valuable back up outfielder and pinch runner….

By AZBravoFan

March 19, 2007 1:33 PM | Link to this

Mayo is awful! As is anything made with it: tuna salad, pasta salad, potato salad. Give me a hot spicy mustard any day. Or barbecue sauce.

What’s going on with Oscar? Is he throwing OK? Seems like he’s giving up a ton of runs lately.

By Jared

March 19, 2007 1:34 PM | Link to this

If I ran the team:

Starters: Smoltz, James, Hudson, Redman and Cormier (in that order).

Relievers: Wickman, Gonzalez, Soriano, McBride, Villarreal, Boyer and Paronto.

Bench/Backups: Woodward, Escobar/Aybar (depending if Aybar is hurt), Brayan Pena, Diaz (if not hurt) and Langerhans.

Opening day lineup: Kelly Johnson, Edgar Renteria, Chipper Jones, Andruw Jones, Brian McCann, Jeff Francoeur, Craig Wilson (LF), Scott Thorman and John Smoltz.

I’d get rid of Yates and Tony Pena, Jr. I wouldn’t make any big trades (if you can find a taker for Tony Pena, Jr., fine). The team is good as is.

By rammerjammer

March 19, 2007 1:39 PM | Link to this

While wondering if Yunel is still whistling, here’s my take:

LF: Langerhans, full time.

1B: Thor getting most starts.

2B: Johnson, full time.

Bench: B. Pena, Wilson (unannounced 1B platoon), Orr, Woodward, and Diaz.

DL: Aybar, who bumps Orr to Richmond when healthy.

Tempting to keep Escobar and Prado, but much smarter to let them play every day at AAA. Same for Davies.

As for T. Pena, waivers.

By The Captain

March 19, 2007 1:39 PM | Link to this

Is anyone else who’s listening to the spring training games tired of hearing the “Welcome to the Bigs” radio ad?

By Braveheart

March 19, 2007 1:41 PM | Link to this

pardon me, but would you happen to have any Grey Poupon?

By Thrillhouse44

March 19, 2007 1:42 PM | Link to this

What’s up with Aybar not wanting to hit right-handed vs. a right-hander? Is he just coasting because he feels he already has a spot on the roster?

When I make tuna “salad”, I use either hot sauce or BBQ sauce for the base. It’s delicious and a lot better than mayo.

By CMC

March 19, 2007 1:42 PM | Link to this

DOB,

Have you seen Chad Campbell play at all this spring? I saw him at Rome a couple years ago (3B next to Escobar at SS) and he looked comfortable at the plate and with the glove. Do you see him at 3B down the road, or is Escobar the more likely choice?

By DonCoburleone

March 19, 2007 2:01 PM | Link to this

“You know what I DON’T get? Uma Thurman. Never understood that.”

TOTALLY AGREE! She is in DOG territory if you ask me… Heres another one (two) I don’t get - The Olsen Twins! U-G-L-Y!

By Braveheart

March 19, 2007 2:07 PM | Link to this

No Chop: you said Braveheart….Keep in mind that a Met fans that visits Yankee stadium is pobably a New Yorker too, I wouldn’t assume that he would allow Any fan poor beer on him or throw his cap away without the likelyhood of a good a-s-s kicking. Lets not get carried away.

That is no carrying away No Chop. You need to head out to right field in Yankee Stadium sometime. I think you have spent maybe one too many days sitting in the peaceful Ted and have no idea how rough the right field bleachers in Yankee Stadium can be. You can be a fellow New Yorker all you want to be but when you got several groups of drunken teenaged men torturing you, what are you really going to do about it? Go ahead, No Chop. Don’t take my word for it. Head out there fully garbed in Mets gear and try to show them what a true New Yorker you are - you will end up looking pretty much like Carolina lady describes herself looking right now. No Exaggeration at all! How can you call yourself a true Mets fan and not know that? Not saying it’s right. But it is what it is without exaggeration at all.

By Drummerdad

March 19, 2007 2:09 PM | Link to this

DOB, As for 2nd base, I think Bobby will go with the original plan of playing Kelly at 2nd. He’s probably taking serious note of the percentages you already mentionned. Funny how big a difference one year can make in this game. Last year we were looking at Edgar wondering if he’d return to form and sensing that the rest of the infield was secure. This year, Edgar is the constant and every other infield position is a question mark. I think they’re going to have to keep Escobar around to be at 3rd if he’s showing a good degree of promise. #10’s body apparently keep up with this much longer, so there’s got to be a worthy backup on hand.

Check out the DVD of Boz Scaggs greatest hits live. Excellent musicianship and great tunes/grooves.

By scott

March 19, 2007 2:11 PM | Link to this

If I’m Cox, I’d have Wilson penciled in as my 1st Baseman and have Thorman backing up 1st and OF and keep Prado and Orr has my utility men, both could play OF if needed. Orr gives you speed off the bench as well. Bottom line imo, is Wilson should be our starting 1st baseman until he proves he shouldn’t be.

By Drummerdad

March 19, 2007 2:17 PM | Link to this

Lew, I haven’t been here much lately, hence no bloggie. I have suggestions for the next Wurlitzer. How about Roy Orbison or Bob Dylan? Joni Mitchell?

By scott

March 19, 2007 2:20 PM | Link to this

Can’t Prado play 3rd on a daily basis if needed? Thorman should not make the Braves opening day roster, he will, but he is not a major league ball player. Langerhans in LF is the only defensive option we have and he can swing the bad, just has to do it consistently.

By Rodger

March 19, 2007 2:22 PM | Link to this

Drummerdad, does the Boz DVD feature Toto?

By David O'Brien

March 19, 2007 2:24 PM | Link to this

CMC, no I haven’t seen Campbell, because he hasn’t been brought over for a game. Guy’s got good power, but he’s not been above A-ball yet. Overcame a back injury last summer and hit .296 with 22 homers and 77 RBIs in 449 at-bats. So he can hit, obviously. Since he’s going to start out in high-A this year, still probably 2-3 seasons away….

Oh, and he’s not in Escobar’s class in terms of prospect status and tools….

Drummerdad, Boz is a cool dude. Love that live album he put out a couple years ago. But how can you not “get” the Uma Thurman thing. You seen Kill Bill? Or Dangerous Liasons?…

By Versage

March 19, 2007 2:26 PM | Link to this

At most, Wilson would hit 250 with 18-20 homeruns if he were the starting 1st baseman. And even then, he’s a rented player, he’s 5 or 6 years older than Thorman and Thorman’s power numbers could easily eclipse those of Wilson after he gets in some seasoning. To want Wilson to play as out primary 1st baseman over thorman is craziness….

By MizzouGuru

March 19, 2007 2:28 PM | Link to this

DOB:

I don’t think there is any unfairness in Cox and Schuerholz going with Johnson over Prado. Prado has done well but, as you say, there is a lot more data to look at in making that decision than what they do in Spring. Also, it the homerun age we now live in, it is not as easy to be put at the head of the line if you don’t hit for power, only project to hit a decent percentage and don’t steal many bases. We are no longer in the Dal Maxville and Julian Javier era.

Of course, if Johnson falters during the season, he won’t hold the position and Prado will probably get a chance. This competition is more of a marathon and Johnson is just starting at the head of the line.

Regarding first base, I see no reason why you wouldn’t play Wilson against lefties. I would have no reason to believe that Thorman would produce better against lefties than Wilson and why not keep players active.

Regarding Langerhans and Diaz, that too will play out during the season. Langerhans is hitting well now and I hope he continues it, but we will see. This situation does not need to be resolved now - it will be determined over time.

Finally, regarding your Jayhawks, no team named after a fictional bird can possibly win the national championship (at least not this year)!

By David O'Brien

March 19, 2007 2:32 PM | Link to this

Oh, and it’s ERIC Campbell, not Chad. I’m assuming that’s who you’re talking about, at least. The 3B.

By David O'Brien

March 19, 2007 2:34 PM | Link to this

How ‘bout a STANDUP TRIPLE for McCann in the sixth to drive in the first run. Not often the catcher chugs out a triple, much less without a slide. Hit it to the right-center gap to drive in T. Pena, and Doug Clark followed with an RBI single for 2-0

By Kieran from Long Island

March 19, 2007 2:39 PM | Link to this

David…

I have to 1 own up to teh fact that I ever-so-foolishly picked Niagra over Kansas. I’ve filled out brackets since 97, and this was the first, and will be the last, time I choose a 16 seed. One day a 16 will win, however I learned this year its not worth botehring to predict it.

Onto the Braves Prospects, out of curiosity, and all I’m asking for here is a general guess, what players do you think Andrus, Lillabridge, and Escobar end up being most comparable to? Lillabridge as a Brian Roberts? Escobar as a Tejada type? Elvis Andrus?? just curios to know what you project them as.

PS my final four is still alive (Florida, UCLA, Gtown and the Oden State Buckeyes)

By Jared

March 19, 2007 2:44 PM | Link to this

I want Brayan Pena to be the backup catcher. I hope the Braves aren’t really considering giving Corky Miller a spot.

Pena should have been the backup in 2006.

By RedandBlackAttack

March 19, 2007 2:45 PM | Link to this

The Braves should start to shop Andruw Jones now. There is no way Boras and the car collector are coming back after this year. The Braves should try to get something for AJ now. I know that Jones would have to approve a trade, but the Braves could end up with nothing except memories come October.

Start playing the young talent from Richmond and Mississippi to get them experience. Center field will have another occupant this time next year, so the Braves should start preparing now. Start fishing AJ now. Let someone else realize his contract year, while the Braves captilize on it with a trade.

By journalist jimmy smith

March 19, 2007 2:49 PM | Link to this

langerhans is going for a 401-k.

By David-ATL14

March 19, 2007 2:53 PM | Link to this

DOB what happens between you and Haney when Georgetown wins it all?

Sad to report that snow in the NY area knocked me out of my trip to NYC to see Levon Helm. Heard it was outstanding.

Looking forward to seeing Lucinda in April.

By Arkansas Hillbilly

March 19, 2007 2:57 PM | Link to this

Yes I agree, DOB

Uma in Pulp Fiction = no

Uma in Kill Bill = yes….She’s got legs clear up to there.

Hey, I need some Jay Farrar info. I’ve got a burned c.d. with some of his stuff on it, but I don’t know the names of the songs or which ones are UT and which ones are SV. I’ll run through a few lyrics (that may not be 100% accurate) and see if you can help me out:

1.) When your down, what matters is what you feel. It arrives and it disappears…Riding down Sunny 44 highway, there’s a beach there known for cancer waiting to happen….

2.) You look so fine true. No one mystifies me like you do.

And a couple from Lucero:

3.) …You’ll be missing me tonight …. Just wait and see, what becomes of me…You’ll be lucky if I write. And I might come back if I feel like it but for now so long….

4.)…Cause there’s somethin ‘bout just laying down and taking all that pain. I’d rather drive all night, if it’s just the same. Cause half a tank of gas will get me far enough, to be completely lost by the time the sun comes up.

By Oddjob

March 19, 2007 3:08 PM | Link to this

If Andruw was going to be moved,it would have made more sense last year while management had control.These guys don’t do dumb so it’ll shock me if they move him unless they get a godfather offer (one they can’t refuse).I’m a bit concerned that he might not play all out trying to protect the product,the need for numbers will dictate he get it done at the plate, but he may wear bubble wrap in the field.

By N8

March 19, 2007 3:08 PM | Link to this

DOB

Glad to see somebody else likes Uma.

Back in the mid 90’s I had an “All Uma” Calendar. Still have it actually buried away somewhere.

Only one other guy I know, thinks she’s hot. In fact it was a guy I was playing in a band with at that time, and the calendar was at our practice shop. And one night after a few too many Morgan/Cokes, we started writing a song called “Uma in July” (that was the “hottest” photo). Not sure we ever finished the song, but I think I might’ve found somebody that I can tell the story to that’s NOT gonna look at me like I’m insane! LOL!

ALL HAIL UMA!

By David O'Brien

March 19, 2007 3:10 PM | Link to this

Thorman just CRUSHED a two-run homer to right, his first of the spring. He’s coming around….

By Carolina Lady

March 19, 2007 3:15 PM | Link to this

DOB, now that is just plain funny!! I am (dubiously) honored. (Thank you, FBG!) What a hoot!! :-))) Oh, mercy…. I sure am glad it’s just us chickens here……..

Sorry I misread your preferences with ketchup. But it was helpful, though. After thinking of tuna and ketchup, I declined lunch and my jeans thank you! (Lew’s VT Maple Syrup is just tooooo good to resist!) :-)))))

By NO CHOP ZONE

March 19, 2007 3:16 PM | Link to this

Braveheart, I have friends and family who are both Mets and Yankee fans. I’ve been to Yankee stadium with them several times and never had a problem. I guess I was Lucky. I’m from the other side of the tracks and I’m not worried traveling around the NYC area. whether it’s the ballpark or the shady side of town.

By DON CORLEONE

March 19, 2007 3:17 PM | Link to this

Dave:

Can I be just a bit “picky”? I have never liked the use of the term “scuffling” when used to describe a player who is having diffculties, for example, in hitting or shooting. I think the better term would be “struggling”. Scuffling implies a sort of a fight or wresting type situation. I don’t know where this started but I first recall Joe Simpson or Skip Caray using the term in that way. It’s too late to stop the trend - everyone seems to do it now - and I am not saying that poor English usage will be the ruin of western civilization, but for some reason that one irritates me.

On the other hand, I like your eclectic taste in music. Roll on…

Don

By RedandBlackAttack

March 19, 2007 3:18 PM | Link to this

Here is my vote for the batting lineup:

1. K. Johnson - 2B
2. B. McCann - C

By ssiscribe

March 19, 2007 3:23 PM | Link to this

Perfect day for the bullpen today: 1-2-3 innings from Wickman, Soriano, Gonzalez and Paronto in a 6-0 victory.

Combined, Braves relievers fanned six in the four innings. Chuck James allowed four hits over five innings.

The Scribe abides.

—30—

By ncscoots

March 19, 2007 3:26 PM | Link to this

The three-headed-monster, with 4 K in 3 innings, maybe the nattering nabobs will find a new topic today.

Mozell (played by Braves’ opponents): “What you got in there?”

Vincent (played by Braves’ bullpen): “Doom.”

By True Braves Fan

March 19, 2007 3:27 PM | Link to this

No mention of C. Has B. Pena been awarded the job, or does Miller have a chance?

Does Willie Harris have a chance at a backup INF slot. I like him a lot better than Woodward, but admit that I am influenced by his speed. Been so long since the Braves had any.

Clark, B. Jones, McCarthy will probably all be in minors this year, but the OF prospects look very bright. *Langerhans will get the job because of his defense…while he looks at an unlimited number of called strike three’s.

By Oddjob

March 19, 2007 3:27 PM | Link to this

A short rant by Oddjob,Once again a post is lost in the bloggosphere,ok I’m all better.Now to repost - If the team intended to move Andruw before his contract is up it would have made more sense last year while management had full control.It would be dumb to wait till this season if they intended to move him and these guys don’t do dumb.Now if they get a godfather offer(one they can’t refuse)ok, otherwise he’ll be a brave through the season.

By RedandBlackAttack

March 19, 2007 3:30 PM | Link to this

Batting Lineup:

1. K. Johnson - 2B
2. B. McCann - C
3. C. Jones - 3B
4. A. Jones - CF
5. E. Renteria - SS
6. J. Francouer - RF
7. C. Wilson/Thorman - 1B
8. R. Langerhans - LF
9. Pitcher

KJ will start it out with McCann batting second to bring an excellent .300 contact hitter to get on base for the Jones’s then Edgar backs up AJ to start it going again for Francouer, Wilson/Thorman, and then Langerhans to finish with some pop.

Cox probably goes with Renteria batting second and McCann in the sixth spot, but I believe that it is more important to get McCann more AB’s than Renteria.

By ncscoots

March 19, 2007 3:31 PM | Link to this

Uma be fine, no doubt, but she’s no Virginia Madsen…

By Oddjob

March 19, 2007 3:32 PM | Link to this

sorry about the double post but it took fifteen minutes for the first to show up.

By Jim

March 19, 2007 3:36 PM | Link to this

DOB

How does the pitching shape up with the off day tomorrow? I assume that Smoltz, Hudson, and James will take their regular turns, but what about Cormier, Redman, and Davies. I assume Cormier will pitch Wed., but will Davies/Redman also appear in that game or will one or both pitch in a minor league game again?

The bullpen aces had better numbers today. How did Gonzalez (especially) look?

By MGL

March 19, 2007 3:37 PM | Link to this

Looks like the bullpen shut them down today Wickman, Soriano, Gonzalez, Paronto. All three up, three down, no hits, no walks, 6 k’s between them.

By Mad Mike

March 19, 2007 3:40 PM | Link to this

RedandBlackAttack: You can’t put McCann in the 2 hole because he’s a little less than fleet of foot…would be too easy to double up when Kelly Johnson is on base. Plus Renteria is a perfect 2 hole hitter…always looking to take it the other way. Here’s the lineup: Johnson, Renteria, C.Jones, A.Jones, McCann, Francouer, “Longhorns,” Thorman/Wilson, 9.

By Korova Milkbar

March 19, 2007 3:41 PM | Link to this

Whats wrong with Andruw???

By Carolina Lady

March 19, 2007 3:43 PM | Link to this

Scoots, none of ‘em can hold a candle to me right now. Why, everywhere I go, people stop in their tracks and stare! :-)) BTW, where’s that Toro you were going to send at Christmas??

By Braveheart

March 19, 2007 3:47 PM | Link to this

wouldn’t scuffling be appropriate in that the player is fighting with himself and fighting just about everything that is supposed to come naturally to him as a ballplayer? saying a ballplayer is scuffling would indicate to me at least that the player is encountering more difficulty than merely struggling.

By Brave Dawg

March 19, 2007 3:49 PM | Link to this

Why would you want McCann laying down bunts? He’s a natural 5th slot hitter. Renteria is a natural 2nd slot hitter.

By Jim

March 19, 2007 3:51 PM | Link to this

What is this nonsense about trading AJ now? Given his contract situation, nobody is going to”rent” him for a year and give up equal value in return. Secondly, I sense a degree of optimism about the chances of this team. This is the first team since 2001 that has a chance of getting to and actually winning the WS. Granted that we may be as likely to miss the playoffs, but this is the first Braves team in 6 years that has the talent on paper to do well in the playoffs. Given that Andruw has over 260 RBIs over the last two years and over 90 HRs plus a long string of gold gloves, our chances of even getting into the playoffs is a lot less without him. The “talent” in the minor leagues or the return for Andruw is not going to come close to putting up those kind of numbers.

By Lew

March 19, 2007 3:51 PM | Link to this

Andruw’s fine, Droogie.

By Renegator

March 19, 2007 3:52 PM | Link to this

RedandBlackattack:

I don’t think Bobby would like starting the line-up with Lefty, Lefty and then three righties in a row with A. Jones, Renteria & Francouer. Doesn’t seem like his style.

By StingerSplash

March 19, 2007 3:56 PM | Link to this

DOB,

In regards to Miss Thurman, don’t forget “Mad Dog and Glory.”

By jonathan friedman

March 19, 2007 3:56 PM | Link to this

Hopefully we won’t make a bunch of Boners out their!

By Daybed Wagmoe

March 19, 2007 3:56 PM | Link to this

MGL — i was about to say the same thing. they all looked great: wickman, soriano, gonzalez and paronto each with 1 ip, 0 hits, 0 walks, 6 ks. with mcbride pitching like he’s been, the bullpen is looking really good.

By ncscoots

March 19, 2007 4:01 PM | Link to this

CL, that you tower above both goes without saying (which is why I didn’t say it). I’ve been holding off on the Toro, because, as you know, Toros are not to be trifled with. Got to make sure you get the right model! LOL

By RedandBlackAttack

March 19, 2007 4:07 PM | Link to this

Now, we are talking/thinking Braves baseball… Go Bravos!!!

By KC

March 19, 2007 4:09 PM | Link to this

Looks like it was a great day for the Braves.

Chuck James had a very good outing. At least it looks that way from the box score. 3 walks is a bit much, but overall… pretty good day for Chucky.

Scott Thorman had a big day with 2 hits, one of them a homer, and 3 RBI.

And the bullpen was perfect, including Mike Gonzalez.

Very, very good day.

By KC

March 19, 2007 4:18 PM | Link to this

RedandBlackAttack:

Gotta go with Mad Mike on that one. Renteria stole 17 bases last year and runs very well. additionally, he is a prototypical number-2 hitter in the sense that he’s very adept at the fundamental stuff like moving a runner over.

He’s really everything you want out of your #2 guy. He hits for average, gets on base, has good speed, can do the fundamental things like moving a runner over, has a little HR power and can drive in runs when necessary.

McCann is probably one of the best young hitters in the game and without a doubt, the most underrated player in baseball right now. But… he runs like a catcher, and he would clog the base paths in a major way. That’s not what you want from your #2 hitter.

Also, McCann has great power, which we really saw on display after the all-star break. That power would be better utilized in the 5th slot. And the final reason why McCann is good for the 5th slot is that it gives the Braves a left-handed bat between A.Jones and Francoeur.

By geauxbraves2000

March 19, 2007 4:18 PM | Link to this

Nice job by the pen today, I’ve not followed every game, but it would have to be the best outing of the spring.

I know it’s just spring, but it’s getting late, does anyone think Wickman should start pitching the 9th, and backwards from Gonzalez and Soriano, ect, instead of pitching Wickman in the 6th or earlier?

Nonetheless, I’m ready for opening day. KJ should start at 2nd on opening day, probably Langy in LF, and Thorman at 1st.

Let’s reclaim this division and sweep the playoffs!!

Geaux Braves!!

By MBATL

March 19, 2007 4:28 PM | Link to this

DOB, didn’t Aybar miss time with a hand or wrist injury last year? Is this the same injury (or even the same hand)? In other words, is this something chronic, or just a minor setback.

I still say Aybar gets too little love - he’s a pretty good hitter - but of course it’s tough to love a player who isn’t on the field. Thanks.

By LeTwan Anthony

March 19, 2007 4:29 PM | Link to this

A baseball scout found a remarkable prospect—a horse who was a pretty good third baseman and who hit the ball every time he was up at bat. The scout got him a try-out with the Braves. Up at bat, the horse slammed the ball into far left field and stood at the plate, watching it go. “Run!” Bobby screamed, “Run!” “Are you kidding?” answered the horse. “If I could run, I’d be in the Kentucky Derby.”

By Braves fan 202

March 19, 2007 4:30 PM | Link to this

I never realized it but this braves team is completely new, the only vet the is certain to start opening day is andruw. I know mcCan and frenchy are true braves, but they are still young. I mean we got players like escobar, kelly johnson, langy, thorman. There are no for sure hitters(except andruw). So if chipper doesnt play a lot, i honestly think there wont be enough experience to win ball games. Who knows tho, these guys could turn out to be even better, i hope edgar doesnt slump as bad as last season. I wanna see him start with that 20 game hit streak again, that was awesome.

By Rodger

March 19, 2007 4:32 PM | Link to this

I agree on McCann hitting second, but you guys bashing his speed remember he tripled today!

By Braveheart

March 19, 2007 4:35 PM | Link to this

McCann is a natural #3 hitter, not a natural #5 hitter. Chipper is there and rightfully so but when Chipper is out McCann should be hitting #3. McCann will be the future #3 hitter of this team when Chipper fades. Frenchy will eventually be the #4 but that may take some time like it took Andruw several years to step up comfortably from #5 to #4. That being said the lineup should be pretty much as everyone said KJ, ER, CJ, AJ, BMAC, JF, ST/CW, RL. I would rather it if they had a better leadoff option than KJ but they don’t, so with his eye, he will satisfy me well enough

By Rob

March 19, 2007 4:35 PM | Link to this

It’s been said, but I think opening day lineup looks like this:

2b Johnson SS Renteria 3b Chipper CF Andruw C McCann RF Francouer 1b Thorman LF Langerhans P Smoltz

That not only gives you left-right most of the way through the lineup, it also provides pop through at least the 6 spot, and Langerhans has decent speed to move up a base if Smoltz is in a sac-bunt situation. The only change I’d suggest is possibly Wilson against a lefty, but even then I’d like to see Thor get a chance, and have Wilson as a weapon off the bench.

By Carolina Lady

March 19, 2007 4:40 PM | Link to this

Scoots, being somewhat vertically challenged, I don’t often “tower” over anything! :-)) The Toro: I’d like one that STARTS, that cuts, that you don’t have to work on and pray over every time you need to use it. All the stuff this J Deere doesn’t/isn’t. Got one like that? :-))

By Braveheart

March 19, 2007 4:41 PM | Link to this

McCann did have twice as many stolen bases as Frenchy last year. Don’t tell that kid ain’t got some wicked wheels on him. :-)

By Kentavo

March 19, 2007 4:41 PM | Link to this

I think Craig Wilson will get SIGNIFICANT playing time at 1B and I betcha Chris Woodward gets quite a bit of PT at 2B.

B. Cox loves veterans - and if he could trot way-past-his-prime Brian Jordan out there year after year - certainly Wilson and Woodward will get plenty of at bats.

I betcha Korky Miller gets the backup spot over Bryan Pena.

I’d love to see Brandon Jones get some consideration in the OF, but I know that’s not gonna happen without some injuries to regulars.

Overall, I think this squad has more depth and is more versatile than last year’s unit.

I mean if we get hit by the injury bug, especially in the middle of infield, we’ll have plenty of options.

Remmeber Willie Harris? He’s showing he can play OF, too - I think he’ll see time in ATL at some point this season.

By Pulpwood Smith

March 19, 2007 4:42 PM | Link to this

DOB-

As you’ve heard, Lu was stellar Saturday at the Tabernacle. Absolutely killer versions of “Come On” and “Essence”. I even enjoyed the material from the new album. She’s a national treasure.

Heartless Bastards, on the other hand. The young woman is a strong singer, but when they launched into their fifth song that sounded identical to the first four, I was begging for the sweet release of death.

By Lew

March 19, 2007 4:46 PM | Link to this

Braves Fan 202-Huh? It’s a young team, but McCann and Francoeur have 2 1/2 season of ML ball behind them, McCann batting over .300 and Francoeur knocking in over 100 runs. Edgar Renteria hit over .300 last year for most of the season and has played on World Series winners. We (at least at this point) have the same left field combo from last year who produced 16 HR and 60RBI, so we have an idea what we’re looking at there. That covers the entire outfield. The only real positions we have that may be surprising one way or another is 2B and we know what KJ is capable of with the bat, if not on defense. We know pretty much what to expect from Smoltz, a fair idea with Hudson (at least somewhere between last year and his Oakland career), we’ve got a fair idea of what to expect from James and Redman. Cormier is not that much of a mystery, either. Yeah, the team is young, but we do have a track record with the majority of the team. Even Wilson is a pretty much known quantity.

By KC

March 19, 2007 4:47 PM | Link to this

OKAY… Now that we’re about 2 weeks out from opening day, I’ll go on record with my final pre-season Braves predictions.

ROTATION

Smoltz: 20-6, 3.05 ERA

* Hudson:* 19-7, 3.13 ERA (Yes, I’m going to predict a full-fledged bounce-back season. I think there’s at least as good a chance of that happening than not.)

* James:* 17-7, 3.67 ERA

* Cormier:* 14-8, 4.20 ERA

Redman: 5-3, 4.37 ERA (In 12 starts… I’m thinking he’ll be the one to go when Hampton returns)

* Hampton:* 9-6, 4.30 ERA(In 20 starts) The important thing is that he be healthy and sharp when October rolls around.

BULLPEN

Wickman: 3.06 ERA, 38 saves in 43 opportunities

Gonzalez: 2.32 ERA, 8 saves in 8 opportunities

Soriano: 2.27 ERA

McBride: 2.90 ERA (lefties hit .179)

Paronto: 2.80 ERA (I would expect him to have a very low ERA this year, not just because he’s pitching well, but also because he’ll be used mostly to try and get out of an inning, as opposed to starting the inning. He’ll have a lot of inherited runners on base, and even he fails to get out of the inning, those runs won’t be charged to him)

Yates: 3.20 ERA

Villarreal: 3.37 ERA

LINEUP:

Johnson: .280, 12 HR, 48 RBI, .360 OBP

Renteria: .290, 14 HR, 58 RBI, .368 OBP, 16 SB

C.Jones: .319, 27 HR, 92 RBI (in 135 games)

A. Jones: .276, 49 HR, 128 RBI

McCann: .313, 29 HR, 98 RBI

Franoeur: .279, 34 HR, 110 RBI

Thorman: .267, 20 HR, 71 RBI (In 450 AB’s… Wilson will get at least 100 AB’s at 1B)

LF – Langerhanz/Diaz/Wilson: .272, 21 HR, 76 RBI (numbers not total combined stats of all 3 players… only what they do while playing LF)

I believe it’ll be a very good year to be a Braves’ fan.

By ncscoots

March 19, 2007 4:52 PM | Link to this

Rodger, standup triples by catchers are just another sign that the apocalypse is near, LOL.

By Greg in TN

March 19, 2007 4:55 PM | Link to this

Afternoon friends and neighbors…

Gotta agree whole-heartedly with KC. Solid day all the way around as far as the battle between the tribes today.

Chuck James pitched a four-hit shutout and Wickman, Soriano, Gonzalez and Paronto(e) were all lights out.

Thorman’s homer was very nice and I gotta love the three bagger by McCann. We had 11 hits and only left four on base.

We even had one of the more tougher double plays for a first baseman to handle by Thorman today (The ‘ole 3-6-3 if you’re scoring at home) and we pulled that off just fine.

All-in-all, looks like just the kind of days Braves enthusiasts enjoy having.

By sri

March 19, 2007 4:55 PM | Link to this

DOB: Since Wilson’s shoulder is bad, will Cox consider Thorman as the 4th outfielder?.

By David O'Brien

March 19, 2007 4:55 PM | Link to this

MBATL, no, this is the other hand for Aybar. Not the one he broke (actually, he broke a finger) right after he was traded to the Braves….

Thorman’s up to .265 now, up about 50 points in three days, I think….

Pulpwood, yeah, the Heartless Bastards’ stuff is redundant. Couple of very strong songs, but they all are too similar. That lead singer is quite talented.

Glad to hear your review of Lucinda’s performance. I found that hard to believe, the guy’s earlier review of her being less than stellar. Essence and Come On were among the standouts of the show I saw, too. I really don’t much care for Come On on the CD, but live it was great.

Lake Charles was probably my favorite.

By CMC

March 19, 2007 4:55 PM | Link to this

DOB,

Thanks for the correction on 3B Campbell’s first name. I guess I had golf on my mind and was thinking of PGA golfer and Ryder Cup team member Chad Campbell. The 3B position will be crucial in another couple of years when Hoss’s time there may be done.

By GeorgetownKid

March 19, 2007 5:01 PM | Link to this

Just my two cents (I’d love to read what you think of ‘em):

Prado: Starts the season as backup 3B, and probably backup 2B and SS as well. He has a really hot bat right now, and if he can keep it going for a week or so after the start of the season, we can keep using his bat while Aybar shakes off the rust in Richmond. We can juggle them later if we so wish.

Aybar: As I said, he needs to shake off the rust, and he won’t be able to on the bench or as a pinch hitter. Start him in Richmond and let him get 4-5 at-bats per game for a few weeks.

Escobar: We lose nothing by sending him to AA or AAA to start the season. If he keeps up his hot-hitting, we can always move him up later, or trade him when his stock is sky-high. If we keep him in Atlanta, he won’t get consistent at-bats, and he might stumble. So I think it is a no-brainer that he start in the minors.

Orr: In a competition with Woodward, that I can’t envision him winning. They are very different kind of players who have different offensive strenghts (speed vs decent power). But we will be fine with either one as a utility player. Perhaps Orr starts in Atlanta because Woodward hasn’t gotten much work, but I doubt it.

Woodward: As I said, probably beats out Orr for the last utility IF spot.

1B: Start Thorman as the everyday 1B and see how he does. Wilson is a proven commodity, and if we shift him to a platoon role at 1B later in the season, we will know exactly what we will get. Thorman is still a work in progress, and he could possibly have a much higher upside than Wilson. So let him start every day (initially) and see what he does. If he sucks, we can make a switch whenever we want.

LF: Langerhans has seemingly won the job, which the coaching staff probably wanted him to do anyway. I don’t think Cox views Diaz as an everyday player, while Langy has the potential to be one. Furthermore, Diaz could be in danger of losing his roster spot altogether to Bohn, whom Cox seems to really like.

Which brings up a question: can we send Diaz to Richmond, or is he out of options?

So, my opening day roster:

LF: Langerhans, Wilson, Diaz/Bohn; IF: Prado, Woodward (plus Jones, Johson, Renteria, Thorman); 1B: Thorman everyday

By CMC

March 19, 2007 5:07 PM | Link to this

DOB,

JS has been known to make last-minute moves to tweak the roster in spring training. Any word of that possibility this year, or is JS and BC happy with what they have?

On a musical note, a buddy of mine is on his way to Nashville to catch Willie Nelson and Merle Haggard at the Grand Ole Opry tonight. Seat cost him $200. How much would you shell out to catch these two on the same stage????

By Greg in TN

March 19, 2007 5:07 PM | Link to this

I felt led to start off by crowing about our day on the diamond today, but there’s still a few more housekeeping things I feel like I need to get in. The first couple are belated (I’ve started about five times to mention them over the weekend and the brain matter wouldn’t recall them by the time I clicked on ‘post’, so please forgive my delay in addressing this).

First, my condolences to Grinch on his loss.

Second, happy belated birthday to Arkansas Hillbilly.

Now, about DOBs blog for the day…

I think KJ and Langerhans will both be in the starting lineup at 2B and LF respectively when we go to Philly in a few weeks. I am very pleased with what I’ve seen at the plate from both guys this spring and I don’t see any issues with KJ in the field at second. Glenn Hubbard deserves a lot of kudos for his hard work with Kelly in the offseason. It shows in his glovework to this point.

I think we ought to see Thorman in a platoon with Craig Wilson to begin the season. Thorman is starting to come around (for example, his homer today) and I think he’ll do just fine there long term.

The Aybar injury is troubling, especially with Hoss’ health issues this spring. It’s good that we do have some options as far as depth in the infield.

Bottom line IMO, is that 1B, 2B and LF were the big question marks coming into the season. I think we’ve made significant progress in addressing them with the players we have on hand.

Time will tell, however. I’m looking forward to following these guys in April and see how we fare when the games count.

By KC

March 19, 2007 5:07 PM | Link to this

Braves fan 202: “There are no for sure hitters(except andruw). So if chipper doesnt play a lot, i honestly think there wont be enough experience to win ball games.”

202, you are seeing a lot of new faces because it’s spring training, but this lineup won’t be all that much different from last year’s (NL best) lineup. There are only 2 differences:

First, Scott Thorman (or possibly a Thorman/Wilson platoon) will be a first base instead of Adam LaRoche. LaRoche was a big bat to lose, but DOB’s said here in a previous blog recently that he expects (and believes the Braves truly expect) something close to 25 homers and 80 RBI this year out of first base. I agree. Even if Thorman scuffles, though I don’t believe he will, you still have Wilson who can hit and hit for power. So you lose about 5-10 homers and 10-20 RBI at 1B. That’s not the end of the world. We won’t entirely make up for LaRoche at first base, but we should still get a lot of production at that position.

And second, Marcus Giles is out, Kelly Johnson is in. Yeah, Kelly’s young, but the Braves are very high on him. And it’s not as though he’ll have a hard act to follow after Giles tremendously sub-par season last year.

That’s it. Everything else is the same. As for Chipper… he missed over 50 games last year, and Atlanta still put up big numbers at the plate.

I reiterate… this was the best offense in the National League last year. That’s not likely to be the case this year, but they haven’t lost enough out of their lineup to relegate this team to the middle of the pack offensively. The Braves will still be among the league leaders in all major offensive categories this year. I expect them to finish in the top 3 or 4 in the league in runs scored.

And of course, the pitching is a helluva lot better this year, and that’s the biggest key for Atlanta this year.

By Drew

March 19, 2007 5:10 PM | Link to this

Hey DOB, what do you think Kelly Johnson’s future holds beyond this season. You keep saying that the future infield is something along the lines of Escobar, Lillibridge, and Andrus. That is obviously quite a ways in the future, but what do you see as KJ’s future?

By Chop Chop

March 19, 2007 5:17 PM | Link to this

KC, if your hypothetical numbers end up being accurate, the Braves should win the World Series. I personally think you’re out of your mind, but it never hurts to dream, I suppose.

By Lew

March 19, 2007 5:17 PM | Link to this

DOB and anyone else interested-New music releases for tomorrow. 1.Nelson, Haggard and Price-The Last of the Breed 2.Nick Cave (this one’s for you DOB)-Abattoir Blues Tour 3. Bruce Hornsby/Ricky Scaggs 4. Most of the Robert Plant solo remasters 5. I Robot and something else by Alan Parsons, remasters. Y’all have been informed.

By LeTwan Anthony

March 19, 2007 5:21 PM | Link to this

The Origins of Chapstick

The young cowhand came riding into town on a hot, dry, dusty day. The local sheriff watched from his chair in front of the saloon as the cowboy wearily dismounted and tied his horse to the rail a few feet in front of the sheriff.

“Howdy, Mister…”

“Howdy, Sheriff…”

The cowboy then moved slowly to the back of his horse, lifted its tail, and placed a big kiss were the sun don’t shine. He dropped the horse’s tail, stepped up on the walk, and aimed towards the swinging doors of the local Hooters.

“Hold on, Hoss…”

“Sheriff?”

“Did I just see what I think I just saw?”

“Reckon you did, Sheriff…I got me some powerful chapped lips…”

“And that cures them?” the Sheriff asked.”

“Nope, but it keeps me from lickin’ em.”

By Mad Mike

March 19, 2007 5:27 PM | Link to this

Don’t know much Nick Cave. I own the “No More Shall We Part” album. Love it…”We Came Along This Road” is sinister and lovely. Guess that’s his entire hook…in a nutshell. Wonder if Pachelbel is a fan, Lew?

By Alan

March 19, 2007 5:28 PM | Link to this

Great job again, DOB. Thanks. Pitching was great today. Chuck James is the real deal, isn’t he?! But back to your question. Opening Day lineup against the Phils (and righty Brett Myers) will have KJ at second and Langy in left - no doubt. However, if lefty Cole Hamels starts game two, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Woodward (or even Prado if he stays hot) at second, Diaz in left and Wilson at first. I’m not saying that should be the case - I just think it’s likely - especially early in the season. I still believe Escobar and Prado will be sent to Richmond because they both have options remaining. The R-Braves should be loaded this year.

By Rodger

March 19, 2007 5:28 PM | Link to this

KC, I need some of what you’re smokin’…

Starting rotation with 84 wins?

Chuck James has looked pretty good (OK-real good) so far, but the guy’s got half a season of ML experience, and everyone has him pegged as a 17-20 game winner. I need to see more of him before handing him the Cy Young.

By Lew

March 19, 2007 5:37 PM | Link to this

Mad Mike-I’ll have to ask him. I’m not much of a Nick Cave fan, myself, but occaisonally it’s good to throw one out there for David.

By Summerteeth

March 19, 2007 5:37 PM | Link to this

DOB,

I meant Uma Thurman as a sex symbol..not knocking her acting abilities…she is just ugly…pitching wedge ugly!

By Mad Mike

March 19, 2007 5:39 PM | Link to this

Yeah I agree Rodger. I read KC’s predictions, and I thought to myself “I thought I was an eternal optimist.” KC, I hope you’re right…the ‘07 Braves would field like 7 All Stars and feature a Cy Young winner. Hey, it could happen. (There I go again with that optimism.)

By Lew

March 19, 2007 5:43 PM | Link to this

Well, if KC’s numbers come to pass, it should shut the Mets’ fans up for a while.

By Rodger

March 19, 2007 5:44 PM | Link to this

Summerteeth, you must have some ragged clubs…

By Bubber

March 19, 2007 5:47 PM | Link to this

I’m just glad to be hearing more names that have spent time in Rome (low Class A) being bantered about.

By MGL

March 19, 2007 5:59 PM | Link to this

A little comparative report card after 20 games: Pitching Staff: ERA - 4th in NL Runs scored against - 3rd in NL SO - 1st in NL

Fielding % - 2nd in NL

Hitting: AVG - 6th in NL Runs - 9th in Div

Pitching is on target, so is fielding. We are a little behind in the power department, but Andruw and Chipper are not contributing much yet.

Looks like a winng team to me. KC, love your numbers!!

By DonCoburleone

March 19, 2007 6:06 PM | Link to this

KC are you really Bobby Cox? If Smoltz, Hudson and James had put up those same numbers last year they would have been 1-2-3 in the Cy Young voting… A nice thought, but entirely unrealistic. Do you know how many pitchers last year won 17 games or more in the NL? 0! Do you know how many pitchers in the NL had an ERA under 3.13 last year? 2! And yet you’ve got 3 pitchers with 17 or more wins and 2 with an ERA less than 3.14 on the Braves staff next season. If it ends up being true though, I will send you a blank check…

By Mad Mike

March 19, 2007 6:06 PM | Link to this

Summerteeth: Unless you’re actually Brad Pitt and pulling hotties like Jennifer Aniston and Angelina Jolie is your job, then you can’t honestly say you would turn down an evening with Uma Thurman. I mean, she ain’t the first celeb I’d pick out, but the girl is fine.

By choppinmama

March 19, 2007 6:11 PM | Link to this

Big props to Willie Harris who saved our bacon with a nice shoetop catch with 2 outs and bases loaded. He’s looked good this week, a productive bat and sure-handed glove in the outfield. He recieved some of his own medicine, however when he was robbed of extra bases with a stellar catch by the Indians CF.

Thorman really hustled down the line his first two at-bats, trying to beat out the throw. I was expecting to hear the “pop” of a hammy. Glad to see that one pitch go out of the park for him.

McCann put the outfielders up against the fence twice before finally slamming one out of the park too. Boy, he sure looks almost svelte, no more baby fat on our starting catcher -and he and Frenchy have been so kind to the fans the week I’ve been down here.

Th-th-th-that’s all folks! I’m headed home tomorrow after finally seeing a 2-win winning streak - one a shutout at that! OK, DOB, it’s all yours for the rest of the spring. Keep the good info coming - it’s very much appreciated in your blogosphere.

By choppinmama

March 19, 2007 6:22 PM | Link to this

Edit - my bad. For McCann, it was only a triple. I forgot who was running!

By David O'Brien

March 19, 2007 6:24 PM | Link to this

Summerteeth, you are insane if you think Uma Thurman isn’t great looking. I mean, come on, man.

She ain’t Salma Hayek or Penelope Cruz, but she’s quite sexy….

On an entirely unrelated note, consider this scenario: Braves open season with Aybar DL’d, retroactive as far back as they can (I think it’s about one week they can use of spring training, so he could be activated about one week into the season).

Then you start the season with Pena (assuming he’s not traded before then) on the 25-man roster, and when Aybar is activated you put Pena on waivers. Usually a lot easier to get a guy through waivers a week into the season, after teams have set their rosters, etc.

Haven’t had anyone tell me that’s even being considered, but it’s a thought.

By Braves fan 202

March 19, 2007 6:28 PM | Link to this

Lew and KC, im not saying i dont know what to expect, im saying this isnt the same team im used to. Since a couple years ago these positions we are worried about were filled with big names such as furcal, laroche, gary shefffield, jd drew, giles(sucked last year but was good when he was in the 2 hole). Even chipper, its not too bold to say he could miss a few games this year. Now those spots are filled with escobar, diaz, langerhans, thorman, wilson. We have seen em before but there are no guarentees for these guys. They should be good but top 3 or 4? I dont know. Im guessing they have one of the top offenses 2nd half of the season, definately not first. Theyve always been a second half team anyways. But no i am not questioning the pitching. I said frenchy and mccan were young but i did mention they are solid and reliable

By KC

March 19, 2007 6:28 PM | Link to this

Chop Chop and others: I don’t mind the criticism. I really don’t. In fact, I welcome it… or else I want post predictions like that cuz I know full well I’m gonna catch some crap. lol

All I ask is that you tell me exactly which part of it you dispute… as in :I don’t think Hudson will win 19” or “I don’t think Francoeur will hit in the .270’s”.

That way, we have something to debate, unlike when you simply say “you’re out of your mind”… even though you may be entirely right. =)

In the words of the great Billy Joel: “You may be right. I may be crazy. But it just might be a lunatic you’re lookin’ for…”

By hawks are cursed for trading Nique.

March 19, 2007 6:31 PM | Link to this

I think Escobar should be the backup to chipper this year. Pple forget hes from cuba and there players are well polished. I think the Braves would make a huge mistake sending to the minors for another year. Go Braves! ive been dreaming about opening day.

By David O'Brien

March 19, 2007 6:33 PM | Link to this

CMC, I’d definitely spend $200 to see Willie and Hag at the Opry. They’re at the Rhyman, right? Not the new Opry? Definitely pay to see them at the Rhyman.

Actually, I’d pay that much to see them anywhere, if they were great seats (all seats at the Rhyman are great).

By Summerteeth

March 19, 2007 6:41 PM | Link to this

I just don’t get Uma, at least not to the exstent some folks do. I guess I dig the classic beauty, not the weird beauty that Uma possesses.

And I never said I wouldn’t spend the evening with her…that’s a different ballgame.

DOB, did you notice there are 2 versions of the new Son Volt? The extended is so long I haven’t made it thru the whole thing yet.

Oh, new Wilco coming out this spring or summer I think…Sky Blue Sky is the title I believe.

I’m really into my Steely Dan stuff right now…not a throw away track in their catalog IMO.

By Micah

March 19, 2007 6:53 PM | Link to this

Veteran Lineup 1B - C. Wilson 2B - C. Woodward SS - E. Renteria 3B - C. Jones LF - R. Langerhans

Rookie Heavy Lineup 1B - S. Thorman 2B - K. Johnson SS - E. Renteria 3B - Y. Escobar LF - R. Langerhans

Opening Day Lineup 1B - C. Wilson 2B - K. Johnson SS - E. Renterial 3B - C. Jones LF - R. Langerhans

Sent to Richmond - Escobar/Diaz/Pena/Yates/Aybar

Platoon - S. Thorman/C. Woodward

By ElbravoX

March 19, 2007 6:54 PM | Link to this

Why can’t we start the season tomorrow? Looking good Bravo fans, and it ain”t me looking at the mirror! GO BRAVES.

By KC

March 19, 2007 6:56 PM | Link to this

Rodger & Don C: I understand your reactions. Let me clarify. Under most circumstances, those win totals would be very lofty, but let’s remember one thing… Steve Trachsel won 15 games last year with and ERA of almost 5.00. He was able to do that because he had the benefit of a very good offense, and the best bullpen in the league. This year, the Braves’ starters will be the ones enjoying the best combination or run/bullpen support in the league. Here’s something else to keep in mind. If Trachsel traded places prior to the start of last season with any of the Braves starters… let’s say, Chuck James… Trahcsel’s ERA would have been even higher, and James’ ERA would have been lower. With that bullpen in NY, Trachsel could leave the game with runners on base and more often than not, the bullpen would bail him out. Also, with a great bullpen, you almost never have to pitch fatigued. The Braves starters on the other hand, regularly pitched later into ballgames than they should have, because even an exhausted John Smoltz was better than a fully rested Ken Ray or Chris Reitsma. Pitching on fumes night in and night out doesn’t generally help your numbers. And when they left a game with runners on base, they were probably doing the math in their heads… adding those runs to their ERA as they left the mound. This offense is still potent. It won’t be the best in the league as it was last year, but it’ll be close (top 3 or 4 in the NL). We’re not going to lose offense at 1B to relegate the NL’s best offense last year to mediocrity this season. With run support, comes wins for starting pitchers… provided the bullpen can hold leads for you, and we know damn well that this bullpen will. If, with an average offense and an average bullpen, you would predict 13 wins for Chuck James… 17 sounds about right with the kind of offense/bullpen support he’s likely to get this year. The 3.67 ERA I predicted for Chuck James this year is very comparable to the one he posted last year. Again, having this kind of bullpen helps the starter’s ERAs.

The ERA I predicted for Smoltz is not much lower than the ERA he’s posted over the last two seasons. He looks as sharp as ever. That changeup’s looking good and again, the bullpen will help.

Many people are understandably weary of Tim Hudson, but if he pitches even as well as he did in 2005 for the Braves (though I think there’s a good chance that he’ll be better than that), 19 wins will be well within reach.

Don C and Rodger, I’d be interested to see your predictions if you want to share them with the class. =)

By Art in Tenn

March 19, 2007 6:59 PM | Link to this

DOB-

Thanks, as always, for your informative blog.

I have a couple issues I’d like you to address:

1. I watched the SS replay of Huddy’s performance Sunday, and I have to say, I wasn’t as impressed with the performance as others were. He left (by my count) at least 8 pitches thigh high in the dead middle of the strike zone, pitches that in the middle of the summer would end up somewhere on the roof of the Chop House. I am not by nature an alarmist, but given his performance last year, he seems to be trending toward making way too many of those type pitches. Obviously there are no alternatives, and he will be the number 2 starter, but is it just me or does he seem considerably easier to hit than when he was in Oakland?

2. Is there a possibility of a platoon at seccond base with Johnson/Prado, or using Johnson as a sort of “super utility” player, with him backing up second and the outfield with Prado starting? Prado is superior defensively, and if we get the expected amount of power from Andruw/Hoss/McCann/Frenchy, then why not have Prado’s defense at second? If you think about the potential lineup structure, he seems like a pretty darn good 8 hitter to me…

Looking forward to your response. GO BRAVES!

By Chop Chop

March 19, 2007 7:05 PM | Link to this

KC, I don’t think Smoltz, Hudson and James will combine for 56 wins this year. In 1993, Maddux, Glavine and Smoltz combined for 57 wins, the most in that great trio’s run. (I would be remiss if I didn’t mention that Avery won 18 games in ‘93. Not a bad rotation.) In 1997, the Braves got an obscenely high 88 (yes, 88!) wins out of the rotation. Glavine won 20, Maddux 18, Smoltz and Millwood each had 17. Denny Neagle brought up the rear with 16 wins. As Rodger pointed out, you have this year’s starting rotation winning 84 games. It sure would be nice to see, though.

As far as individual guys, Smoltz is probably not going to win 20 games at the age of forty. Also, he’s won 20 games in a season only once in his career (24 wins in his ‘96 Cy Young campaign). Hudson has one 20 win season and that was in 2000. He was 24. He hasn’t won 18 in a year since ‘01. James is probably good enough to win 17 games in a season if he gets a good deal of run support, but he hasn’t pitched a full year in the bigs and he needs to improve more before I’d predict that.

In my mind, there’s a three-way tie for your second-most absurd prediction:

Cormier (14-8, 4.20 ERA), the bullpen’s combined ERA hovering around 3, and Chipper Jones playing 135 games. Cormier has started 14 games in his career, compiling a 3-8 record with an ERA of 6.36 in those starts. If this guy wins 14 games for the Braves, I’ll buy a bag of K.C. Masterpiece chips and eat it (Hint: I don’t like them).

As far as the ‘pen goes, Bob Wickman was lights out when he came over from the Indians, but he’s a guy who gets hurt and is known to go through struggles as a closer. He’s solid, but if he only blows 5 saves this year, I will be shocked. That’s why Schuerholz brought in Gonzalez and Soriano. Your ERA projections are probably a little low for them, but I have no doubt that those two guys (if healthy) can have ERAs under 3 and be dominant. Yates, Paronto and Villarreal just aren’t good enough to produce the way you think they will. If these three guys combine for an ERA around 4.50, I think the Braves would be happy.

Chipper Jones. 135 games. I just don’t see it. He’s played in 109 and 110 games the last two years. He’s turning 35 in a little over a month. I find it absurd to believe that “Hoss” will make it to the post that many times. If he does, it will be a huge lift for the team, but I doubt Schuerholz is expecting it.

By woogidy

March 19, 2007 7:06 PM | Link to this

I am in agreement with Summerteeth, Uma’s all kinds of ewwgh. She’s just not pretty.

By KC

March 19, 2007 7:09 PM | Link to this

Art in Tenn:

Hudson talked about that. He started out well to the first couple batters, but then started leaving the ball up as you mentioned.

Heading into the 5th, he made some adjustments on the fly and looked damn good in his last inning of work.

His control wasn’t exactly what he wanted through much of that start, but even so… he was getting more “life” on his pitches than he did at any point last year. They had that crisp movement that made Hudson so hard to hit all these years. That’s why he was still able to get outs, even when his location wasn’t pinpoint.

But again, the biggest thing to make note of is that he has been able in both of his last two starts to make adjustments on the fly that put him back in the driver’s seat. He wasn’t able to do that last year.

Also worth noting that other pitchers (by their own admission) started to wear down in the 5th inning of their last starts (Smoltz and Redman come to mind). Hudson was very, very sharp in the 5th of his last outing.

One observation… he seemed to look a lot better out of the stretch I noticed. Seemed to keep the ball down better than he did in the windup.

Anyway… no, not perfect but still very good and very encouraging start by Hudson.

By KC

March 19, 2007 7:13 PM | Link to this

CORRECTION: Meant to say… “We’re not going to lose enough offense at 1B to relegate the league’s best offense last year to mediocrity this season”*

By Chop Chop

March 19, 2007 7:16 PM | Link to this

Here are my predictions for the starting rotation:

Smoltz 18-8, 3.34 ERA Hudson 16-9, 3.58 ERA James 14-10, 4.19 ERA Redman/Hampton 12-14, 4.77 ERA Cormier, et. al. 10-17 5.16 ERA

That’s 70 wins out of the rotation. Throw in about 15-20 wins from the bullpen and I think that’s an accurate prediction of where the Braves will be this year. They’ll improve, but without some luck, they won’t win 90 games.

By ncscoots

March 19, 2007 7:22 PM | Link to this

Art, I’ll take a piece of that first one…if Hudson’s still leaving those pitches up in May, that’ll be a problem. If he’s firing down Peachtree at 3-and-1, that’ll be a problem. But if he leaves a pitch thigh-high 1-and-2, after the batter has killed worms on a couple of sinkers and splitters, not such a big deal (belt-high might be a little sticky, LOL).

The guy isn’t gonna be in mid-season form in mid-March, I’m afraid. Much as we might all like it to be so :-)

By Coach

March 19, 2007 7:24 PM | Link to this

C’mon KC , I know your a die hard Braves nut like me but everybody knows the Mets have the best offense in the N.L. and arguably the best , period. I have to agree with O’Brien , things are looking better everyday. Chipper might want to stay healthy , Escobar wants his job.

By David-ATL14

March 19, 2007 7:45 PM | Link to this

DOB, I think your call on the Pena?Aybar situation is spot on. Sounds rather JS like. Aybar to the DL retroactively,Orr,Prado,Escobar to Richmond,T.Pena starts in ATL until Aybar is ready.

By Art in Tenn

March 19, 2007 7:45 PM | Link to this

Thank you for your reaction, KC and ncscoots.

I think my issue is, he simply hasn’t been the great, dominant pitcher he was like when with Oakland, a bit suprising to me given that he had tougher AL lineups pounding balls into the dirt 2 inches from home plate, and now for the last 2 years he seems to be inching up and up higher into the strike zone- deadly for sinkerball pitcher. I’m not saying he is a bum and overreacting, as many in bloggerland might be want to do, but… he just doesn’t seem the same.

Perhaps I just have the memory stuck in my head, of his domination of the Braves in an interleague game a few years ago, not sure if you guys remember, but I think on that day if the Bravos had been hitting with telephone poles that they’d have been able to hit him.

Am i way off on Prado/Johnson or not?

By nelson

March 19, 2007 7:57 PM | Link to this

kelly johnson sucks , yunel field of broom over aybar , and to chipper jones it is hour to change it

cormier better than kyle davies

and if the brave ones want to go to another world- series they must leave that mentality of of defeat

By KC

March 19, 2007 8:00 PM | Link to this

Chop Chop:

As I’ve mentioned in a previous post… Starters win totals are likely to be inflated this year because of the bullpen and offense the Braves will feature this year. If you think Cormier could win 11 games over 34 starts under normal circumstances, then 14 wins is very reasonable under these circumstances.

Also, in regard to Cormier… he posted and ERA barely over 3.00 as a Braves’ starter in the final month of last season, and has picked up right where he left off so far this spring. I feel good about him, as does the entire Braves organization. If he posts a 4.20 ERA over 30-plus starts this year for Atlanta… he’ll win at least 13-14 games. I’d bet money on it. (Yes, that was a friendly wager offer).

“Bob Wickman was lights out when he came over from the Indians, but he’s a guy who gets hurt and is known to go through struggles as a closer. He’s solid, but if he only blows 5 saves this year, I will be shocked.”

Bob Wickman… over the past two (full) seasons: 121 games, 116 innings… 2.56 ERA and 78 saves in 87 opportunities (90%).

To put that in perspective, Billy Wagner has saved 78 in 86 opportunities over that same stretch. Yet Wagner is hailed as one of the games best, while Wickman gets little recognition.

“Your ERA projections are probably a little low for [Gonzalez and Soriano]”

Soriano’s 2006 ERA was 2.25 (my projection was 2.27). Gonzalez’s 2006 ERA was 2.17 (my projection was 2.32).

“Yates, Paronto and Villarreal just aren’t good enough to produce the way you think they will. If these three guys combine for an ERA around 4.50, I think the Braves would be happy.”

Tyler Yates spent 4 full months in the Atlanta bullpen. He had a lousy month of August, which pushed his ERA up considerably. His ERA in the other 3 months… 2.17.

He was also excellent late last season, posting a 2.70 ERA in September as the Braves’ Setup man. The depth of this pen will help everyone’s ERA. If Yates gets in trouble, Bobby can call on someone else to get them out of this inning. Runners left on base by any of our starters or middle relievers aren’t likely to score. Yates, being a middle-inning guy, will have the benefit of someone (several someones, actually) to clean up the mess should he get in a jam. That will also help his ERA. But I think you’re underestimating him.

Chad Paronto: posted a very respectable 3.18 ERA last season and looks even better so far this spring. As I explained when I made those predictions, my 2.80 prediction is due in larger part to his role. Unlike last year when a desperate Bobby cox often had to use him for entire innings, he’ll be ground-ball double-play specialist this year. This year, he’ll mostly be called on in the middle of an inning to get a starter out of a jam. Even when he fails, those runners won’t be charged to his ERA.

As for Oscar Villarreal… Last year was only his second full season in the big leagues. His first was 2003 when he posted a 2.57 ERA over 86 games for Arizona. Last year was his first full season following a major surgery. It took him a while to get the touch back, but after the all-star break he posted a 2.63 ERA over 48 innings for Atlanta… looking a lot like the top-tier reliever he was for the D-Backs a few years ago.

By KC

March 19, 2007 8:04 PM | Link to this

Coach: I said the Braves were the best offensive team in the league last year. I agree that the Mets appear to have the best lineup this year.

However, as I’ve mentioned… I believe Atlanta will have one of the top 3 or 4 offenses in the league still. And the Met’s lack of starting pitching will likely keep them from protecting their division title.

By Lew

March 19, 2007 8:09 PM | Link to this

DOB-As far as Uma goes-she ain’t worth getting my wife pi$$ed off at me. It wouldtake someone much more gorgeous than her to risk that wrath.

By KC

March 19, 2007 8:15 PM | Link to this

Chop Chop: “KC, I don’t think Smoltz, Hudson and James will combine for 56 wins this year. In 1993, Maddux, Glavine and Smoltz combined for 57 wins, the most in that great trio’s run.”

I understand your point of view, but let me reiterate something one more time…

I believe the Braves starter’s win totals WILL BE INFLATED because of this bullpen and rotation.

Again, Steve Trachsel won only 1 game less than John Smoltz last year, even though they don’t even belong in the same sentence as one another. *Predicting a win total factors in a couple of things *other than just that pitcher’s ability or his ERA. There are external factors (offense/bullepen) outside of that pitcher’s control that will affect the win total one way or the other.

Last year, bullpen support (or lack thereof) adversely affected Smoltz’s record, while it gave Steve Trachsel and his 4.97 ERA, 15 wins.

The win totals you predicted for Smoltz, Hudson, and James are very much like the totals I would predict under normal circumstances. But these aren’t normal circumstances. And this year, Atlanta starters will have the same kind of support Steve Trachsel enjoyed last year with the Mets. There’s no way that can’t affect starters win totals in a positive way.

By Braveheart

March 19, 2007 8:41 PM | Link to this

More than their personal stats, I am more concerned with the team’s overall record when they start:

Smoltz: 21-14

Hudson: 21-14

James: 18-14

Hampton: 11-9

Davies/Cormier/Redman: 20-20

91-71 record. That’s my prediction. That will win the division.

By Coloradobravesfan

March 19, 2007 8:41 PM | Link to this

OK, I just read this on the braves website and I think i am missing something in todays game…

Chuck James surrendered a double, hit a batter and issued two walks before recording an out in Monday’s second inning, it looked like he was bound for trouble. But in the end, he managed to limit the Indians to four hits over five scoreless innings….

That’s four batters reaching base before an out recorded in the second inning, but the indians didn’t score. What happened? How can 4 batters reach without scoring a run? Is this a mistake on the braves website? Did baseball add another base today…?

By ERIC

March 19, 2007 8:43 PM | Link to this

ESCOBAR! is the futre we need him now. chipper cant stay healthy hate to say it but it’s true. as far as 2nd base goes KJ will prove himself worthy the guy can hit,and he’s solid defense so far no need to go to prado at all.

LF Langerhans should and will be the everyday lefy fielder, I think Diaz is good but not a starter, just cause he had a good month last year.

DOB: Have you ever Heard Hank Williams III If not check him out the wildest thing in country music today by far. sounds and looks hauntingky like Hank sr. but plays hellrasin bluegrass/rockabilly the best artist in years!!

By brian

March 19, 2007 8:47 PM | Link to this

DOB - coming down from North Carolina for the Saturday game in Atlanta versus the White Sox - taking my 5 year old to the game. You going to be there early at BP?

If Escobar plays this well consistently we cannot keep him on the bench and we cannot keep him in the minors. Will he play 3 days a week spelling Chipper and Edgar? Will he go to 2B?? I see no place for him to play daily unless Chipper moves to 1B which is not going to happen or if Edgar gets moved or Yunel is moved to 2B

By True Braves Fan

March 19, 2007 8:51 PM | Link to this

Coloradobravesfan McCann picked a runner off second base….

By David O'Brien

March 19, 2007 9:01 PM | Link to this

Summerteeth, I didn’t notice there was an extended Son Volt, but I did get a bonus CD included free with the one I got at the indy store here. Haven’t played the extra disc yet….

Art in Tenn, I know what you’re talking about, and I don’t disagree, regarding Huddy. When we talked to him after the game, he wasn’t thrilled with his performance, even though he said he was happy about making the adjustment he did. He was sort of vague about what adjustment he’d made, and not really too convincing, frankly. I don’t know that he’s overly satisfied with the spring, though Bobby, of course, said today that he couldn’t have pitched much better than he has, when I asked Bobby about it.

That outing yesterday wasn’t as impressive as the pitching line, I do know that. And when he walked the pitcher, Zach Miner … well, I don’t know. I’m not going to get too concerned yet, but I’ll just say he hasn’t been dominant this spring. Can’t just go by the ERA in such few innings of spring training.

But we’ll see. He looks stronger than last year, for sure. We’ll see how it translates.

I do have some stuff from a scout who’s seen him pitch several times last season and once this spring, a scout who’s been following the Braves for a while this spring. This guy sees a few problems with his delivery, with him “collapsing” on his backside and his pitches coming out flat because of it, instead of getting the sharp biting movement down the way he used to get in Oakland.

I’ll give you the quotes tomorrow or the next day (don’t know if I’m doing a blog tomorrow on the off day, got a lot of special-section stuff to do and a McCann story to write for Wednesday paper)

By David O'Brien

March 19, 2007 9:15 PM | Link to this

Brian, no, I’m mercifully off for the two games back in Atlanta vs. Sox. Driving back from Orlando, then gotta take care of stuff at my house in Atlanta and pack for trip to Philly on Sunday….

ERIC, you’re obviously new to the blog. Welcome. We’ve had many, many discussions that included Hanks I and III, two of the favorites of yours truly and some others here. And yes, it’s amazing how much III looks like his grandaddy.

Straight To Hell was my favorite drivin’ CD during last year’s spring training, and one of the best albums of the year.

By Braveheart

March 19, 2007 9:15 PM | Link to this

I’m not a big fan of Uma at all either but I certainly ain’t kicking her out the bed. But, then again, I don’t often kick any woman out of the bed no matter how fugly they are. Give me Diane Lane any day over Uma. Salma would be especially nice. Penelope, not so much. She ain’t for me. I like my woman with a little less mustachio and a little more body than a 12 year old boy. But that’s just me. Has anyone ever seen that Lisa Robertson lady on QVC? Now, my lovely Lisa, I would kill for her. That woman actually makes me watch QVC, which is pretty sad. She’s on the air now, go check her out. Hot damn!

By Kieran, Long Island Brave Fan

March 19, 2007 9:20 PM | Link to this

Can I ask why Outside scouts can pick up problems in the mechanics of Tim Hudson’s delivery and Pitching coach Roger McDowell cannot??? I mean that’s a fair question right??? Something you could ask McDowell next time you talk to him perhaps?

By Lew

March 19, 2007 9:24 PM | Link to this

DOB-A couple of months ago I saw something interesting on SI.Com or some such. It was two side by side videos of Hudson, one while in Oakland and the other from last season. His release point is way different than in Oakland. He’s dropping down real badly, which throws his arm angle off consdierably. I know they have all sorts of film and whatnot, but the difference here was so radical-He was way more upright in his delivery in Oakland-that I’m surprised they haven’t realized it and worked on it. I would bet much that it is the problem, probably resulting from his older oblique injury. He changed his delivery because of it.

By Lew

March 19, 2007 9:40 PM | Link to this

I just saw where David Wells has diabetes. He thinks he can manage it. One thing for sure, and I speak as the voice of experience-The drinking and carousing got to go. He better drop about 40 pounds, too. Send him to me. I’ll get him fixed up.

By brian

March 19, 2007 9:41 PM | Link to this

should be a fun game though I am definitely not going to seek out your Blue Devil sub. Though I would get a kick out of my son booing when I told him she was a Blue Devil

Mechanics are key with a pitcher and Hudson has not been the same since that injury. I am holding out hope all his off season work outs will pay off, but I am concerned if his release point and trajectory is off

By N8......."It's ALL good!"

March 19, 2007 9:42 PM | Link to this

KC

Not that I’ve ever started an arguement on this blog, but……

“I believe the Braves starter’s win totals WILL BE INFLATED because of this bullpen and rotation.”

C’mon MAN! I agree with you. As compared to LAST YEAR, the bullpen will help in a RIDICULOUS way.

But that 1993 team won 104 games. Do you REALLY think that adding Wickman, Soriano, and Gonzalez for a full season is gonna mean that this team ends up with 25 MORE wins than last year to top the 1993 team?

I’m gonna give you some stats, to explain (back up) my opinion, that there is NO WAY that (56 W’s from starters), will happen.

1993

Bullpen had 401 IP, with an ERA of 3.07 and 46 saves. The STARTERS had 4 guys pitch 223+ Innings and 1 (Pete Smith) pitch 90+. Mike Stanton had the highest ammount of ER allowed (27).

2006

Bullpen had 652 IP, with an ERA of 4.66 (I actually took account ALL Braves pitchers who pitched out of relief at one point - so some of Oscar, Cormier and Sosa’s “starting” stats are mixed in - but you get the point). The Starters had 2 guys (Smoltz & Hudson) pitch 200+ Innings, and 1 (Chuck James) with 119 IP. This bullpen had 5 GUYS that allowed 23+ ER over the year (and that is NOT counting Oscar, Cormier and Sos - with them it would’ve been 8).

I am RIGHT WITH YOU when saying that this will be one of the best, if not THE BEST bullpen the Braves have had since 1991 (provided EVERYBODY stays healthy). But I think you are selling the 1993 bullpen INCREDIBLY short, with it’s productivity. Not to mention the fact of having Maddux (267), Glavine (239.33), Avery (223.3) and Smoltz (243.7) ALL go at least 223 Innings, along with Pete Smith throwing in 90.

There is NOT a chance in Hell of Smoltz, Hudson, James, Cormier/Davies/Hampton/Redman pitching 1063.33 Innings…..IN ANY COMBINATION.

That itself, is what allowed that 1993 bullpen to be so effective. Not only did the starters (in 93) pitch a LOT of innings, they were damn near ALL quality innings. All five of those starters COMBINED for a 3.13 ERA. That AINT happening this year. I’d even bet on that.

That 93 team was probably the most complete team from lineup, to defense, to starting rotation, to bullpen that Atlanta and it’s fans has ever had. I’m optomistic about this season (not quite as much as you, apparently…LOL!), but I’m sorry man. 56 wins from Chuck, Smoltz and Hudson aint happening.

By N8......."It's ALL good!"

March 19, 2007 9:47 PM | Link to this

Braveheart

“Penelope, not so much. She ain’t for me. I like my woman with a little less mustachio and a little more body than a 12 year old boy.”

Now THAT is about the funniest thing, I’ve read in a long time.

Nice job.

By N8......."It's ALL good!"

March 19, 2007 10:08 PM | Link to this

Not that it makes THAT MUCH of a difference, but when that 1993 rotation has Pete Smith take out of the equation, the ERA dropped to 3.01.

That means that the top 4 starters averaged 6.85 Innings per start with an ERA of 3.01, (which when calculated with the IP being averaged at the 6.85 ammounts to 2.60 runs allowed - which in Geico caveman terms, means that MOST OF THE TIME, the starters were leaving after 7 IP having allowed 3 or less runs MORE OFTEN THAN NOT)

How many times you think that happened last year?

ALRIGHT, after “pausing” before posting this post. I did some more homework to find the accurate numbers of our relievers vs. starters last year. Got these numbers from si.com

ALL STARTERS

929 IP, 486 ER allowed,, for an ERA of 4.71

ALL RELIEVERS

512 IP, 250 ER allowed, for an ERA of 4.39

That tells me that our STARTERS were more of the problem last year. Sure, the poor relief pitching cost Smoltz some victories. But the way I see it, the LACK of decent starting pitching (other than Smoltz and Chuck), massively TAXED the bullpen into being overworked, thus causing them to blow some games they might not have normally blown had they not been overworked. Just my opinion.

So, KC, like I said, I will TOTALLY agree with you that the bullpen will garnish more wins for the starters in the stat column, but it doesn’t neccesarily mean that the starters will be THAT much more effective. I think it will help them (the starters) relax a little more, knowing that the bullpen more than likely, has their back this year.

Having said THAT, there is zero guarantee that having a good trio of relievers, will help Tim Hudson NOT allow 3-4 runs in the first 2 innings. If you get my drift?

By Scalp 'em Braves

March 19, 2007 10:10 PM | Link to this

2B - good or bad, KJ is our best option here. I’m willing to accept less than “stellar” defense in exchange for his upside, i.e., potential offense and OBP capability. If he don’t pan out, we have other acceptable alternatives waiting in the wings (see bench notes, below).

LF - I have been on the Langy bandwagon for a while now. The guy’s defensesive skills/capabilities are incredible. I’m willing to take a little less offense for the defensive upside. I still think the guy can, and will, hit. I’m predicting his average (assuming he plays everyday, and isn’t platooned) will be in the .280 range, with 20 or more homers. If he hits a slump, we have adequate replacements (daily or platooning) in Diaz and/or Wilson. But, I’m looking for Langy to progress toward being a very steady player this year (not looking for a LaRoche type breakout, but, what if it happened?)

Bench - As far as I am concerned, they can trade/dump Aybar. I never liked this trade, and the guy didn’t do much to earn his stripes last year. He has speed, yet stole all of ONE base last year (before he came to us from the Bums). He is error prone in the field, and now we find that after visa problems, he has 9 AB’s in 3 games - not exactly what we need to spell Hoss during his days of rest and/or (hopefully not) injury rests.

Keep Pena, and put him on the opening day roster, keep him around until we really need to spot for someone else - if we can trade him, good - if we have to release him, well, he’s a good player who can help somebody else.

Escobar - send him to the minors for seasoning/experience - I would love to see him get a shot this year in the majors, just to see how he does - but, don’t want to see the Yo-Yo between majors and minors, and have him fall prey to the “out of options” dilemna we have with Pena now.

Prado - we need him on the big club. He is a great fielder, and if KJ is looking weak in the field, keep him as a late inning replacement, and also to spell Edgar when he needs it.

Orr - I love this guy’s grit and hustle. He is a great baserunner, with good speed. But, he gets on base more often as a pinch runner than he does from the plate. If it comes down to the last spot, and its between him and Pena, I say send him to the minors (if that can be done) and keep him for later. If not, let him go. Again, tough decision - he’s a good guy, but in bidness of putting together a good team, one really can’t consider that.

Woodard and Wilson seem to be locks for the bench/platooning. Assuming we keep 11 pitchers, here would be my roster on opening day.

Chipper, Andruw, McCann (Baby Huey), Frenchy, Edgar, Thorman, Langy, KJ (starters), Woodard, Wilson, Prado, Pena (for 2 or 3 weeks, at least),and Brian Pena. Pitchers - Smoltz, Chucky, Redman, Cormier & Huddy (SP), and Gonzo, Beefy Bob, Soriano (SoreAss), McBride, Yates and I can’t remember the name of the young lefty last year who showed so much promise, but got hurt, but him (Bullpen). Davies, Devine & Paronto waiting in the wings.

DOB - you asked for it, and there you have it Bro. Keep up the good work and the timely, informative posts. And I reiterate, tell your marketing people to do a better job, and get your daily beat stories into the Birmingham News!!

By N8......."It's ALL good!"

March 19, 2007 10:14 PM | Link to this

Sorry to go off topip, for anybody that doesn’t like the talk to include anything other than baseball….Alright, NO I’M NOT! LOL!

To anybody that grew up in the late 70’s and early 80’s and was a fan of the Karate Kid, you’ll love this link. Even if you didn’t like the movie, if you remember enough about it, you’ll think this is funny. I just happened to stumble upon it on YouTube last night.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=uFlQNtL8F9s

By N8......."It's ALL good!"

March 19, 2007 10:19 PM | Link to this

OK, last post before I watch “24” on DVR.

In my last post I said:

“I will TOTALLY agree with you that the bullpen will garnish more wins for the starters in the stat column…”

I meant to say garner. NOT garnish.

L8R…I’ll be back to “hog the blog” in about an hour or so.

By TheSouthernJackAss

March 19, 2007 10:38 PM | Link to this

Hey JackAss—I just heard that Chipper Jones and Mike Hampton want to redo their contracts once again—yea, they are both asking for handicapped parking spaces directly in front of the clubhouse!…

By Scalp 'em Braves

March 19, 2007 10:41 PM | Link to this

Sorry - left Diaz off of the roster - add him in.

By KC

March 19, 2007 10:43 PM | Link to this

N8: You’re correct that the rotation and the bullpen have a symbiotic relationship. When the bullpen doesn’t perform, it taxes starters who have to pitch too many innings. When the starters fail, it overworks the bullpen. BOTH of those things were happening last year, without a doubt.

“I will TOTALLY agree with you that the bullpen will garnish more wins for the starters in the stat column, but it doesn’t neccesarily mean that the starters will be THAT much more effective. I think it will help them (the starters) relax a little more, knowing that the bullpen more than likely, has their back this year.”

You’re correct. The bullpen isn’t going to make our starting pitchers pitch that much better. It will positively affect their numbers (by taking care of inherited runners and protecting leads) more than it can help the actual performance of the starters. But as you mentioned, there is a mental/emotional value there.

Also, it will really help down the stretch when, first the first time since Smoltz’s return to the rotation, we will not have had to pitch him so many innings to that point that his arm’s ready to fall off. Smoltz hasn’t lost a thing. BUT he’s 40 years old, so it’s time to dial back his innings a bit to make sure there’s plenty in the tank come September and October. Same with Hudson. He should be much fresher late in the season this year. Though last year he mostly taxed himself… if he can have a solid season this year, the bullpen will help ensure that he has something left down the stretch.

The main thing that’s going to improve the starters performance is:

1 – A bounce-back season from Tim Hudson! That’s got to happen.

2 - Improved health. Our two most injury prone starters over the past 2-3 seasons, HoRam and John Thompson are gone. Hampton’s still a question mark, but we’ve got the depth to handle that.

3 – A full season from Chuck James. He was our second best starter last year (hopefully, he’ll be the third best this year if Huddy does his thing), and we only had him in the rotation a half a season. It will profit this rotation greatly to have him in there on opening day this year.

Also, if we can get solid production from our 4, 5 slots, that will help a great deal. Between Cormier, Redman, Hampton, and Davies… I think we’ve got a lot of depth there. Too much, when Hampton returns. We’ll probably wind up dealing Redman at that time.

“Having said THAT, there is zero guarantee that having a good trio of relievers, will help Tim Hudson NOT allow 3-4 runs in the first 2 innings. If you get my drift?”

Well, one thing I have to mention… in my 8:00pm post, I touched on a few of the other guys outside of the “Big 3” in the pen. It’s not all about Wickman, Soriano, and Gonzalez. This bullpen appears to be stacked top to bottom. But should one of them falter, we’ve still got Blaine Boyer and Phil Stockman waiting for a job so…

But to answer your point on Hudson… as I eluded to a moment ago, I absolutely agree. Tim Hudson’s problem wasn’t the bullpen. His problems have been entirely self-contained and he’s the only one who can fix them. I for one feel very good about our chances of that happening, but we’ll just have to wait and see.

Okay, gotta get some shuteye. Nightynight.

By TDub

March 19, 2007 10:48 PM | Link to this

Saw Uncle Tupelo at the 40 Watt in Athens before they broke up. They played almost all of “Still Feel Gone.” Still one of my favorite shows.

Don’t know why, but this year just feels good to me. Maybe it’s just the spring talking, but I can’t wait for the regular season to get rolling.

By ColoradoBravesFan

March 19, 2007 10:53 PM | Link to this

Truebravesfan Thanks, I just didn’t connect that the wiriter meant James didn’t record an out. I just thought he meant no out was recorded by any brave.

By Scalp 'em Braves

March 19, 2007 10:58 PM | Link to this

Summerteeth:

If you don’t “get” Uma, I suggest you watch the first 20 minutes of the third Batman movie (the one with Val Kilmer and Ahnold, as Mr. Freeze). It was literally one of the worst movies ever made, but Uma’s entry as “Poison Ivy” as the grand ball was, well, just incredibly captivating. Also see her as the blond Svede in “The Producers”, or as “My Ex Super Girlfriend”. The woman is a BOMB when she wants to be, and can be terribly plain looking when she wants (much like Laura Linney, another blond beauty).

KC:

You’ve been right on all night - don’t back down. You doin’ good stuff tonight Bro!

By gotigers72

March 19, 2007 11:08 PM | Link to this

DOB -I asked this in a blog last week about the Lucinda Williams song “Are you AlrighT?”. I know you can’t answer all questions in a blog, but if you can’t, maybe someone else in the blog knows the answer.

I LOVE that song. Is it written about a friend or relative that has passed away or written about an ex paramour. I have tried to figure out by the lyrics, like when she sings “Send me a sign” would seem to mean someone from the great beyond, but later she says “Do you have someone to hold you tight”, would refer to an ex lover or close family member. Since you’ve been to a lot of her concerts, I figured you might have heard her tell the story about that song. and I’m curious.

How do you like Edwin McCain? He lives about 10 miles from my hometown, and consequently puts on a couple of shows a year around here. I’ve seen him 5-6 times. Great storyteller about the songs he’s written, great sense of humor. Puts on a great live show. I’ve seen him by himself with his acoustic guitar a couple of times, he tends to sing a lot of his early stuff when he’s by himself. I saw him with just himself and his sax player once. That was the best concert I’ve seen IMO. Real jazzy/bluesy. And I’ve seen him with his entire band and that show was kick a* rock and roll. He has a very powerful voice. Great entertainer/singer/songwriter. If you haven’t seen him but get a chance to, I highly recommend it. I can guarantee you’ll get your money’s worth. His concerts that he plays around here tend to be VERY reasonable price wise, and most of them are done for some charity. Don’t know about what he charges for his other concerts, but I doubt if it’s a ridiculous price, ‘cause he’s an everyday kind of guy, seems like money is not his master. Seemsa like he’s in it for the pure joy of music than the materialism it brings.

By Braveheart

March 19, 2007 11:22 PM | Link to this

Scalp ‘em: I just really do not dig Uma at all. I’ve seen all those movies. Just can’t get into her at all for whatever reason. Never could. But, for some reason, I don’t think she is crying at all that I don’t find her the least bit attractive. Did she ever go with Quentin? If so, that’s all anyone needs to know about the woman. Yuck! If she did go with Quentin, then I guess it is like the old Chris Rock joke about Jermaine Dupri and Janet Jackson, She’s with who? Dupri? You kidding me?!?! Damn! That means I actually had a chance!

But as for the other woman you named …. Ms. Laura Linney. I am giving that a big ole Hell Yeah. That woman is all that and bag of chips with the freaking dip.

By Robert (Justice Is The Best)

March 19, 2007 11:28 PM | Link to this

I really can’t see T. Pena on the opening day roster. He will either get traded or the Braves will simply let him go on waivers. Prado could get on the roster but I agree with DOB. JS’ comments about him last week tells me that they would rather have him in AAA playing everyday than getting a few at-bats a week. I am sure there is a huge temptation to put Escobar on the roster. I know I would. I think the guys is a star in the making no matter what anybody here says. But, there really is no need to rush him when their adequate guys to play any position that he would.

Unless a “can’t refuse” deal comes along I’m beginning to think the Braves won’t trade Escobar or Prado.

By Rod Johnson

March 20, 2007 1:05 AM | Link to this

Well… long time ago… mayo sucks moose and blows a dead bear

Betting on KJ at 2B

By Coach

March 20, 2007 1:18 AM | Link to this

It’s funny that ChopChop would bring up 1993. That is the last time that Cox went with what was essentially a four man rotation. It was the only season that the Braves had a pair of twenty games winners in Maddux and Glavine……… Maddux , Glavine , Smoltz and Avery combined for a personal record of 75 wins and 33 losses. the team went 96-46 when they started a game and 8-12 during Pete Smith’s 14 spot starts. The four of them ate up 973.3 innings , averaging 243.3 innings each and 6.85 innings per start during the 142 starts they made. That was a pitching rotation for the ages.

By Wayne in UT

March 20, 2007 1:31 AM | Link to this

RJITB and DOB: I agree with Dave’s 6:24pm post that it would be good to keep Pena around for a week or two. Who knows, maybe he might be the perfect utility infielder if he can learn how to get to first more frequently.

My Choices: Langy in LF Thorman gets 80% of the AB’s at 1B (or more if he continues to hit). I would keep Escobar if there was any doubt about ‘Hoss’s oblique. If Woodward gets healthy, he might be the 3B backup. Let Aybar get healthy at Richmond. If we keep Pena under Dave’s scenario, then we send down Prado/Orr and try to move one of them if possible. I like Orr better, as I don’t think Prado is Major League material. Who knows though?

One more thing, sorry Dave, but I gotta have my mayo slathered on just about every sort of sandwich I eat. Different strokes….

By bunion buster

March 20, 2007 1:31 AM | Link to this

DOB Tell Chipper to go to footsmart web site,look for wheaton bunion brace.He may not be able to wear them in games but it’s worth a try ,at same site look for gel sleeve I think they will work for games.Look for Bridgedale trail/sport socks if he has to wear team socks wear the Bridgedales next to feet(over sleeve).

By Coach

March 20, 2007 1:51 AM | Link to this

Escobar isn’t on the 40 man roster. They will have to open a roster for him if it becomes necessary. Pena jr. looks all but gone , the slick fielding SS can pick it short but he can’t hit his way out of a paper sack. I’ll make the easiest prediction of them all , barring injury….Smoltz will win the Cy Young.

By berigan

March 20, 2007 6:05 AM | Link to this

Man, I do NOT like the fact I had to give more info to even get to the front page, and I love the way the new registration is worded(We are continuing to upgrade our registration process and additional information is required before you are able to vote for contest. Knowing you and what you are interested in allows us to develop relevant content and provide the best service possible) What contest???? Whatever. DOB, Mayo rules, Daddy-o, and you know it! ;) Mustard is the worst condiment ever! Go Braves!

By ppaddy123

March 20, 2007 6:05 AM | Link to this

I know I’m about 12 hours late joining this discussion concerning Uma Thurman. All I can say about Uma is, “um no” chicks’ got manhands for crying out loud!

By ssiscribe

March 20, 2007 6:47 AM | Link to this

Top of the morning, everybody. Off day for the ballclub; works for me, since I’m covered up with stuff right now at the old jobsite.

Impressive outing by the bully yesterday. Maybe the questions about Gonzalez will stop now. After all, this is spring training, not the final week of the regular season. It’s easy to get caught up in performances both good and bad in March, but as long as players are ready to hit their stride on April 2 in Philly, and are healthy, that’s what you want out of the time in Florida.

Speaking of health, when will we see Hoss again? My guess is probably not until the weekend. Chipper’s a vet who doesn’t need many more Grapefruit League innings to be ready to go. He needs to be healthy. If he doesn’t play until the weekend, I wouldn’t stress over it. Aybar, however, is a different story. Need for that guy to get healthy, as I said earlier.

That’s all I got. The Scribe abides.

—30—

By The Grinch

March 20, 2007 7:58 AM | Link to this

Morning, all. Haven’t had time to read all the posts I’ve missed, but thanks to Hillbilly(and happy b-day), Scribe, Braveheart, Greg in TN, Scoots, CL, Jimmy, Wayne and whoever else I may have missed for sending good wishes; it is much appreciated. Jimmy, you were in fine form yesterday, I see. Now, Uma Thurman. To all who say she’s unattractive, watch the scene in “Dangerous Liasons” where she goest to bed with…John Malkovich(I know, I know; that’s not the point). She’s 18 years old in that movie, and when she pulls off her top while sitting up in bed preparing hereself for her first time the glory of god is revealed. Anyone who doesn’t appreciate that at least somewhat needs to re-think their orientation. Not that there’s anything wrong with that… Mayonnaise is a wonderous condiment indeed. It’s easier to think what it doesn’t go with than what it does. Of course, both of these opinions are just that: opinions. But since they’re mine, they’re most likely correct. :-) Later, all; many more unpleasant things to do. Just wanted you to know I didn’t leave you for a younger, hotter blog.

By MEB

March 20, 2007 8:36 AM | Link to this

Grinch… great to have you back! I pray that all is well. Yep, you have indeed missed a lot of great blogging. There is a great sense of optimism around here with the only clouds in the sky being disagreements over the vastness of our pitching and infield strength and of course CL’s glorious shiner.

Uma - Yes! Yes! Yes!

Mayo - No! No! No! Do you realize how hard it is to get fast food without mayonnaise. No matter how emphatically you tell them NO MAYO!!!

By Turnin2

March 20, 2007 8:38 AM | Link to this

DOB — man, first Choppinmama leaves me alone - now you’re leaving too? ALONE AGAIN — NATURALLY…

By Lew

March 20, 2007 8:51 AM | Link to this

Oh No-The Grinch has left us for a vision of a young Uma Thurman. The humanity.

By mark

March 20, 2007 9:03 AM | Link to this

We are going to be in trouble with our hitting this season big time.The infiels is really weak. This Gonzalez guy could be a huge bust.I wonder hiw Roachy is doing for Pirates?

By Wayne in UT

March 20, 2007 9:07 AM | Link to this

Agreeing with The Grinch on condiments. It looks like my day is definitely looking up!!

Prediction: Orr, Aybar or Prado will be gone soon. They are too similar and we have too many “utility” infielders: Woodward and possibly Pena. I am NOT comfortable with Orr/Aybar/Prado at SS. I am with Woodward and Pena there. So, if Woodward is not ready when the bell rings, a good strategy might be to keep him up and let go of Orr or Prado and let Aybar rehad in Virginia. That way we possibly get him through waivers as Dave suggests and possibly get something for him.

Rambling, and work calls. Later…

By Carroll

March 20, 2007 9:08 AM | Link to this

DOB: I’m sure someone already suggested this, but since the Braves seem so hell bent on playing KJ and batting him leadoff, but Prado has also had such a killer spring, why not throw KJ back out into left—since Diaz is now injured, and I think we all agree that Langy will never amount to much—and then let Prado start at 2B.

I think KJ would plit the difference between Langy and DIaz in left, giving us the solid defense and speed of Langy, with the better bat of Diaz. Prado, being a natural 2Bman would prolly give us more D there than Kelly, and has proven he can hit at this level.

By artvandelay

March 20, 2007 9:11 AM | Link to this

DOB, Read the blog a lot. Since you are a big JR Cash fan thought you might like to see this. Sounds like it was pretty cool. [http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070320/ENTERTAINMENT0106/703200349/-1/frontpage]

By Lew

March 20, 2007 9:17 AM | Link to this

Carroll-First of all, Langerhans is a superior outfielder to almost anyone in the ML. He’s that good defensively. He’s also a left handed batter, the same as KJ. He’s also had every bit as killer a spring as Prado has had. I think moving KJ to left (at least for this year), isn’t going to happen, nor should he displace Langerhans. That one just doesn’t work at all.

By Carroll

March 20, 2007 9:24 AM | Link to this

Lew: the difference is that Langy has done this before….where he strings together a few good weeks offensively, only to revert back to complete suckdom. We already know that KJ is far superior to Langy, and I’m ready to find out if someone else, like Prado, could give us more consistency as well.

By Jeff R

March 20, 2007 9:25 AM | Link to this

Appreciate the reporting, DOB. That Johnson has a lock on second is unfortunate. It’s more than just spring numbers that are important. You’re reporting that Johnson’s defense is just “serviceable” should be a big red flag. It’s pitching, defense and timely hitting that wins pennants. Prado is a better defender; he’s got the minor league experience to prove it. Johnson was a minor league shortstop who’s play was so poor management moved him to the outfield. Being hit “thousands” of ground balls by Hubbard in the offseason doesn’t make Johnson ready for prime time. The smarter move would have been to start him at Richmond, see how he does under game conditions for, at least, a couple of months. And Prado’s offense isn’t bad. He’s going to be a lighter hitter than Johnson, but up-the-middle defense is critical.

Escobar. With the sort of reoccurring physical problems Chipper suffers from, it’s hard to say if he’ll play 140 games or even break a hundred. If I were Cox, privately, I’d be projecting, maybe, 110-120 games for Chipper; if I got more from him, great, but I’d figure that I needed someone with tools more than a utility player has for the other 40-50 games. Escobar could also spell Chipper in late innings when the Braves are pretty sure to win or lose. He can play short, too. Management can get him playing time, in other words.

By Coach

March 20, 2007 9:36 AM | Link to this

Um , Mark… just for reference purposes. The offense averaged 5.2 runs per game last season. they are averaging five runs per game so far this spring and considering all the non-regulars who are playing I seriously doubt that the offense will be a problem. Laroche is having a bit of a slow spring so far with just seven singles , four RBI and a .259 AVG. Gonzalez will be just fine , thank you very much.

By David O'Brien

March 20, 2007 10:04 AM | Link to this

Grinch, great to read your post. And yes, I also referenced that scene in Dangerous Liasons, without actually getting into the details (which you’re more free to do than I am, probably).

Uma, two thumbs up. Mayo, two down. But like you said, just opinions. Gimme Tabasco anytime….

Braveheart, your line was funny. Unfortunatley, also entirely ridiculous if you’re talking about Penelope Cruz. Seriously, do you even know who I’m talking about? Have you seen any trailors or her most recent work, Volver, or the movie itself? The whole thing about her performance that’s been pointed to is her return to the va-va-voom figures of the Sophia Loren’s and other full-bodied women of the 60s and 70s. You need to Google “Penelope Cruz” and tell me again about that comparison to a 12-year-old boy. Actually, you kind of frightened me with that one, in many, many ways….

artvandelay, thanks much for the link. anything to do with J.R. (Cash), I’m interested in.

By Rosalynn

March 20, 2007 10:15 AM | Link to this

Nose Haih. Let’s get it out in the open. Nose Haih. If nose haih grows into moustache haih and get tangled up then it is a messa affaih. When ballplayahs are groomed it would be best if someone would clip theih nose haih. I read yestadah that some haih is tactile but I cannot imagine nose haih being tactile foah a ballplayah. So, whah not just cut nose haih off at the nose? As a young guhl I had some nose haih as well as uppah lip haih. Nevah would I let the two tangle! Now, whah am I talking nose haih heah todah on a baseball blog? Because of Uma Thuhman! A spahhow could live in that nest of nose haih! I don’t wish to be cattah talking about other beautiful women but Uma Thuhman reminds me of the Swedish ambassadah when Jimma was leadah of the free wohld. That boah could not keep his hands to hisself! And his big ol’ adam’s apple was alwahs a jumpin’ around in his collah. This is also true of Uma Thuhman plus she has uncontrolled nose haih. Theah ah onlah a few ladahs that blog heah on the Braves/Man-in-Black/BBQ/Pie/Music/JimmaCarter/Blog. All of us ah moah desihable than Uma Thuhman. Thank you foah allowing me this opportunatah to speak from my heaht. Go Braves!

By Turnin2

March 20, 2007 10:15 AM | Link to this

DOB, my bad- I misread - thought you were leaving ST … good to know I’m not the last man (well, woman)from ATL standing watch here in ST….

By Sir Stealth

March 20, 2007 10:17 AM | Link to this

Count me as one who does not think that we already know that Kelly Johnson is “far superior” to Langerhans. I hope KJ does great, but I think that Langy may have the superior season this year, and that’s not just because he’s had a better spring so far.

By David O'Brien

March 20, 2007 10:19 AM | Link to this

Gotigers, that song is new, on the album just released, so of course I never saw her sing it until last week.

Many of the songs on the album West are about either the death a few years ago of her mother, or about a recent breakup. But it’s difficult to tell which, on a couple of them. That one, I believe, is about her mom’s death, and Learning How to Live is about the breakup. If someone knows for sure, let us know.

By Chief

March 20, 2007 10:25 AM | Link to this

DOB, I haven’t heard anything about how Salty’s looked this spring. Any word?

By GPW

March 20, 2007 10:31 AM | Link to this

DOB, If the latin woman is a thing for you, you need to check out Barbara Mori. Absolutely stunning.

By rammerjammer

March 20, 2007 10:31 AM | Link to this

Morning, DOB.

I know it’s a blog, but we can’t go around misspelling the name of the mother church of country music. It’s Ryman, not Rhyman.

Peace.

By David O'Brien

March 20, 2007 10:36 AM | Link to this

Chief, Salty’s gone. Was sent down in the first wave of cuts, though he’s been brought back from minor league camp for a game or two since. He was 2-for-9 with three RBIs, including 2-for-7 as a pinch-hitter. But never was considered for a spot on the team right now, since the catching situation is set (with Corky Miller the only catcher given any consideration whatsoever of unseating backup B. Pena) and the Braves aren’t moving Salty to first or any other position for now. Plus, he needs to have a good year at a class above A-ball (he’ll be back for second season at Double-A Miss.)

By Shaun

March 20, 2007 10:37 AM | Link to this

Sir Stealth,

Langerhans should be better than expected. Here are his ZiPS projections from baseballthinkfactory.com: .260/.355/.427.

Diaz: .311/.348/.483

Kelly Johnson: .255/.340/.433, 14 HR

That’s pretty good for three cheap players.

I think this good be Schuerholz’s most impressive year of offense-building, as far as getting a lot for a little.

Trading for Diaz last off-season and giving Johnson the secondbase job were somewhat minor moves but were pretty brilliant, in my humble estimation.

Moves like this are why guys like Schuerholz, Billy Beane and Terry Ryan from the rest of the GM’s.

By Pete in Chicago

March 20, 2007 10:40 AM | Link to this

Tough call on Escobar. The Braves have to want him to play everyday at Richmond as a shortstop, but he doesn’t really seem to have anything to prove. But, making him a utility infielder really wastes his talent. Me, I’d cut Woodward or trade him and keep both Aybar and Escobar and make sure both get into games regularly, resting Chipper, KJ and Edgar.

Given the bullpen and LF situation, Bobby has a ton of painful decisions coming up. Gotta love the way this team is working out; it’s a far better team than it was last year, and the continuing arrival of young talent is really fun to watch.

The little I saw of Lillibridge was really inspiring. He’s a keeper, although where he’ll play is a puzzle, since Elvis is on his way and several years younger. CF? He could give us a Brett Butler type of leadoff hitter.

By Sir Stealth

March 20, 2007 10:47 AM | Link to this

I also remember Langerhans demonstrating good clutch hitting in the playoffs against Houston. Shouldn’t be forgotten.

By N8......."It's ALL good!"

March 20, 2007 10:52 AM | Link to this

DOB

“Uma, two thumbs up. Mayo, two down. But like you said, just opinions. Gimme Tabasco anytime….”

That begs the question……

Would you pass on a Uma/Mayo combination?? LOL!

Sorry, I couldn’t resist!

BTW: Coach

Earlier you said:

“The four of them ate up 973.3 innings , averaging 243.3 innings each and 6.85 innings per start during the 142 starts they made. That was a pitching rotation for the ages.”

You see. Even you and I can agree on something, once in a while! I couldn’t agree with the last sentence of that comment more!

While I agree with KC’s “optomism” that due to our new found bullpen strength, Smoltz, Hudson and Chuck will abosolutely thrive. I cannont see, with any realism, this trio “outdoing” that trio. Even if all he is talking about is the “W” column.

Make no mistake. I believe this team will be greatly improved in the pitching department this year, as compared to last year (how could it NOT be?), but there is no chance, IMO, of this team coming remotely close to the 104 wins that the 93 team had.

By Lew

March 20, 2007 11:01 AM | Link to this

Carroll-And how do we know that KJ is superior to Langerhans? Because of his .234 average in a partial season of play, before arm surgery?

By rammerjammer

March 20, 2007 11:02 AM | Link to this

Thanks for the AJC story on Elvis. With him, Escobar and Lillibridge all seemingly sure things, one wonders who of this trio is going to learn a new defensive position.

Lillibridge was an outfielder for two years in college. Of course, Johnson could move back to the outfield to make room for Lillibridge (assuming he doesn’t have Elvis’ fielding skills at SS).

One can see a Johnson-Langerhans-Francoeur OF, and a Thorman-Lillibridge-Andrus-Escobar-McCann infield (and Salty dealt for a young pitcher).

By Shaun

March 20, 2007 11:04 AM | Link to this

Pete in Chicago,

I think Escobar has a little bit left to prove. He’s been impressive in the minors, especially for a SS, but he hasn’t been amazing. He hasn’t shown all that much speed for a low-power guy and, while his plate discipline is solid, his batting average isn’t all that amazing.

It would do him well to spend a season in AAA. It would be different if the Braves were desperate at the big league level.

By Lew

March 20, 2007 11:06 AM | Link to this

Carroll-Excuse me. KJ hit .241 in 87 games, which is exactly what Langerhans hit last year in 131 games. His defense is far superior. Sorry, that one won’t fly.

By Rodger

March 20, 2007 11:17 AM | Link to this

Coach, I think this years offense has a chance to be better than last years. Though we produced a quantity of runs, at 5.2 a game, the production was inconsistent. To get to the 5.2 there were a lot of 10-12 run games balanced with a lot of 1 run games to average out. I think this team has a chance to be more consistent (Is this KC’s optimism?)

By Shaun

March 20, 2007 11:24 AM | Link to this

Lew,

I don’t know if I would say KJ is far superior to Langerhans but batting average is only part of the story.

Much like the Betemit-Aybar argument, they are two solid players that have their separate strengths and weaknesses. Neither are superstars.

By David O'Brien

March 20, 2007 11:31 AM | Link to this

OK, A REQUEST FOR MORE FAN OPINIONS TO BE USED IN A STORY:

Steve Hummer’s doing a big story on Andruw Jones’ situation, what the Braves should do with him, whether they can afford him _ or whether they can afford to lose him _ and what it would mean to lose him, etc.

Here’s what we could use: If some of you guys (and ladies) could please give us a quote or two about what you think Braves should do with Andruw, who’s contract expires at the end of the season, when he’ll be eligible for free agency.

Please keep it conversational, so it sounds right in a story. Not some elaborate six-paragraph breakdown that sounds like you spent an hour writing it. Just give us a conversational quote. Send it TO MY WORK E-MAIL ADDRESS: dobrien@ajc.com, and I’ll forward them to the writer and editor.

And please, know that we can only use a few of them for the story, and they’ll probably give preference to folks from our general area, though not necessarily. But even if you don’t get in the story, I’ll probably ask them to put a bunch of the others in a quote board to run with the story and/or on the website.

So keep it clean, or you won’t make it anywhere.

IMPORTANT: MUST have your full name and hometown with the quote, and your phone number so we can call to confirm that you exist. MUST HAVE THOSE. Thanks much, in advance, for the help. It worked great last time I asked for quotes….

Moving on…

Shaun, agreed on Escobar, even after seeing how good he can be this spring. He could use another season in high minors, though I’d say Double-A because that’s where Braves have most of their top prospects and the difference in Double-A and Triple-A isn’t what it used to be. Triple-A in most organizations has become the outpost for retreads and aging former prospects, with some good pitching prospects and a few position-player prospects sprinkled in.

By Doug

March 20, 2007 11:37 AM | Link to this

Every time The Chipper crawls out of bed and says his hair hurts and he can’t play that day, I miss Wilson Betemit more and more. ( And then when I spy The Great Willie Aybar on the field, I actually want to break down and cry. ) Never did understand that trade.

By StingerSplash

March 20, 2007 11:41 AM | Link to this

Uma is now single. Gentlemen, start your combovers.

By MBATL

March 20, 2007 11:42 AM | Link to this

Eric Campbell is probably the best hitting IF prospect we have. He was drafted as a SS, moved to 3rd, and now to 2nd. He’s probably more a middle IF than a corner.

His defense is good, and his bat is very strong (.296, 22 hr in 449 ab at Rome last year, and .313, 18 hr in 262 abs in ‘05).

I think that by ‘09, Campbell will be at 2B, Lillibridge at SS (or maybe CF); and Van Pope (best fielding 3B in the minors, and bat coming around) at 3B.

We’ll work Elvis into the mix in a few years if he develops as expected (so far, he’s not done too much - his lofty ranking is based on “tools” and “potential”, not performance at this point).

JS should trade Escobar for pitching or outfield prospects while his value is high - following a great winter league and spring training. Everything I’ve read suggests he’s really no more than a utility guy at the ML level.

Prado is fine backup 2B, but not a whole lot of upside. Send him to Richmond, or Miss, or keep him as a b/u if Aybar is not ready to play. He could be a valuable guy to have on the team, but not as a frontline player.

For 2007, I think we’ll see KJ at 2b, and Woodward and Aybar as IF backups, if they’re healthy.

By Shaun

March 20, 2007 11:56 AM | Link to this

Doug,

Yes, because Betemit is such a huge upgrade over Aybar. And Betemit would solve the deficiencies caused by a Chipper absence.

I think we’ve gone on and on here about the Betemit trade. I’ll just say if you think Betemit is that good, look at the numbers. He’s a really good backup infielder and a merely adequate regular.

I know fantasy baseball is far from reality baseball, but Betemit wasn’t taken in my draft of 14 teams, 26 rounds. That tells you a little something about Betemit.

By Lew

March 20, 2007 11:57 AM | Link to this

Shaun-Yes, but I hardly think moving KJ to LF so Prado can play 2B is a good move. My point was that Carroll called KJ way superior to Langerhans offensively. The stats to this point don’t support that theory. Besides, Langerhans is the best defensive possiblity in left field. There can be no argument there.

By Shaun

March 20, 2007 12:07 PM | Link to this

MBATL,

Here’s Baseball America’s top 10:

1. Jarrod Saltalamacchia, c
2. Elvis Andrus, ss
3. Matt Harrison, lhp
4. Brandon Jones, of
5. Van Pope, 3b
6. Eric Campbell, 3b
7. Scott Thorman, 1b/of
8. Jo-Jo Reyes, lhp
9. Joey Devine, rhp
10. Yunel Escobar, inf

If I were Schuerholz, I would resist trading any of the young infield prospects until they all gain some more experience and he can sort out which ones look like major league regulars and which ones don’t.

They are all very young at this point and a lot can change. The Braves could draft a stud this year that could be a star infielder within a year or two. You never know.

By Lew

March 20, 2007 12:13 PM | Link to this

Shaun and Carroll-Here’s a better breakdown. In 87 games, KJ had a .241 BA with 9HR and 40RBI. His OBP was .334 and his slugging pct. was .397. Langerhans’ career numbers, in 276 games are .254 BA with 15 HR and 70 RBI. His OBP is .347 and his slugging pct. is .399. Now I do believe that KJ has more power potential. I thinkthat much is obvious. However, to this point, KJ does not have superior numbers to back up Carroll’s claim. Now everyone EXPECTS KJ to do much better offensively playing full time. I think so, too. However……I also think Langerhans played hurt last year and will also put up better offensive numbers playing full time-as far as BA goes, anyway. I don’t think he will ever be a 20 HR guy, whereas KJ might, but Ryan should turn into a Mark Grace type doubles hitter, given a chance. As far as the outfield goes-no contest. Langy hands down. Add to that all of the time KJ has spent preparing for 2B and it is more than highly doubtful that he will replace Langerhans in LF just so Prado can play.

By David-ATL14

March 20, 2007 12:17 PM | Link to this

Head’s up to DOB and other blog Denziens

Lucinda Williams will appear on letterman tonight, added bonus Danica Patrick also on the card. Looking forward to the show.

By Shaun

March 20, 2007 12:17 PM | Link to this

Lew,

I think the problem with Carol’s idea is Prado. Most think he’s a fine defensive 2B but is never going to be a really good hitter.

And you are right about Langerhans’s defense; he will also be just fine offensively. But I don’t think it’s clear cut who is the better hitter. Johnson’s obviously much more valuable as a secondbaseman. Langerhans’s numbers are solid and a close to Johnson’s but Langerhans is also a corner outfielder, not a middle infielder.

Ryan Langerhans: 260/.355/.427

Kelly Johnson: .255/.340/.433, 14 HR

By Lew

March 20, 2007 12:18 PM | Link to this

Shaun-Believe it or not, I agree with you. We have enough depth on the club to resist getting rid of the kids right now. Everyone was all bent out of shape with the lack of minor league talent. It’s like many of us have said, though, when you bring up a good bit of your AA team in one season, it will take a year or two to get back to where you were. We’re very close, now. The team at Richmond should be good this year. Within another year or so, with McCann and Francouer, as well as McBride, James, Davies and Boyer already in the fold, we can field another entire Braves team from our minors-and win. Don’t the Mets wish they could?

By MBATL

March 20, 2007 12:24 PM | Link to this

Shaun, that’s a dated list (I’m sure it’s the latest available from BA, but it doesn’t even include Lillibridge).

With Escobar, Prado, Lillibridge, Andrus, Campbell (who is now playing 2B), Ka’aihue, and Pope, I think we’ve got too many IF and not enough OF, or near-ready pitching, in our “top ten” list.

I suggested trading Yunel now because I suspect his value will probably never be higher; I don’t want a 28-year-old backup OF or 5th starter for him, but a top prospect (OF or pitching) at the A or AA level. If we can’t get that, I agree, let him play at AA for another year.

I just think we need some balance at the at the AA/AAA levels, though.

By KC

March 20, 2007 12:27 PM | Link to this

N8: For our top three starters this year to have more wins than many of those years with the Maddux, Glavine, Maddux trio… would not in any way mean that the our current 1-3 starters “out-dueled” the old Big 3.

Wins just aren’t that hard to stack up when you have a very good bullpen and offense supporting you as a starter. Not to beat a dead horse, but… Steve Trachsel is living proof of this. And he’s not the only one.

No one’s ready to say that our current “big 3”, if you want to call them that, is as good as Maddux, Glavine, and Smoltz in their primes… but that doesn’t mean this trio can’t combine for 56 wins. They very easily could under these circumstances.

By bruce

March 20, 2007 12:41 PM | Link to this

Great video interview with Diaz this past Saturday 3/17 on Braves MLB site.. regarding his hitting so far in spring training (around 1:20 of the interview) Matt says… the first week “I felt terrible but the hits were coming, this last week I felt I’ve hit the cover off the ball and have not bought a hit, so I am right where I want to be”.

Its a very enjoyable listen, you can really hear his enthusiasm, very refreshing. BTW… I am a Diaz fan. Thanks, Bruce

By Shaun

March 20, 2007 12:43 PM | Link to this

Lew,

No argument from me, really. The Braves are better off with Langerhans/Diaz in left and Johnson at second than Johnson/Langerhans/Diaz in left and Prado at second.

I think Johnson can hit enough to play left but it’s already crowded out there, he can play second and it’s not his natural position.

I think we are saying the same thing. I was just disagreeing that Langerhans is a better hitter than Johnson. I don’t think he is, especially when you take position into account.

By N8......."It's ALL good!"

March 20, 2007 12:52 PM | Link to this

KC

I hear what you’re saying, and really don’t want to argue (I know that’s hard to believ, LOL!), and you’re right Trachel is a PRIME example of what can go right for a pitcher in the win column with a good team around them.

Having said that, as I stated last night, as much as I believe this bullpen as a whole (not just Soriano, Wickman, and Gonzalez), will be. I do believe that you are STILL selling that 1993 bullpen short. They did their job, and they did it well. Does this bullpen have the chance to be more ELECTRIC than that one (with Mike Stanton and McMichael sharing closing duties)?? Of course they do. But the cumulitive ERA of that bullpen was exceptinal. It’s gonna be hard for ANY bullpen, especially in today’s smaller parks and (ahem!) stronger hitters, to be expected to be THAT much better than that one.

So on the surface, I’m NOT really disagreeing with you. I do believe that Hudson is the key. He needs to be better, I think we can ALL agree on that. But what that rotation did, was amazing.

What year did we have the LIGHTS OUT bullpen, 2002 ? Top 3 in the rotation on those teams had 52 combined wins, respectively. That 2002 team had Remlinger, Hammond AND Holmes (Mr. Juice himself) ALL with ERA’s UNDER 2.00!! Add to that Smoltz had 55 saves (his ERA was 3.25, but if memory serves, his first couple of outings skewed that, BIG TIME - you don’t accumluate 55 saves by NOT being dominant.

I find it REALLY hard to believe that this bullpen (2007) can outperform 2002’s in the “preserving wins for the starters” category.

Is it possible that the starters dominate enought to let this bullpen shine like the 2002 team’s bullpen did? Sure.

Likely? I’d say, probably not.

But just to be clear, I’m not being rude, or saying you are off your rocker. Just saying, at this point, I wouldn’t bet on it.

Top that off with the fact that the 1993 team and the 2002 team had some pretty good offense (along with the Mets team that got Trachel all those wins), and stellar defenses to prevent un-earned runs (those can come back to bite starters in the win column, too, you know). With all of our potential question marks on offense (Chipper’s health, KJ, Thorma, LF), I’m not sure we can count on NY Mets like production in helping the starters get the W’s.

Like I said, I share your optomism, that we will not only compete this year, but I think end up being pretty good. But I’m not sure 104 wins (much less anything above 95) is a realistic expectation.

L8R

By Shaun

March 20, 2007 1:02 PM | Link to this

MBATL,

You are right. It is dated. I believe the organizational top 10’s came out in January, before the LaRoche trade. Lillibridge is actually #93 on Baseball America’s top 100 prospects in all of baseball. Lillibridge is right behind Matt Harrison (#90).

I don’t think the Braves could get a “top prospect” for Escobar at this point. Teams know he doesn’t have much power and hasn’t shown much speed for a low-power guy.

Escobar’s plate discipline is nice but he hasn’t shown a consistently impressive ability to hit ‘em where they ain’t.

Teams no doubt know this and wouldn’t give up too much for him, at this point.

The Braves are better off keeping him and hoping he turns into a Betemit-Aybar type player.

By dave

March 20, 2007 1:05 PM | Link to this

Nice play by play, David. Trying for a color commentator spot int he booth? You’d be an improvement over the new guy. I miss having Skip on TV. Also, with Aybar sitting most of spring, I can’t help but wonder what numbers Wilson Betimit is has. I’m still not convinced if that trade was worth it.

P.S. I hate mayo, too!

By Braves20

March 20, 2007 1:18 PM | Link to this

Langy’s k’s continue to bother me. Last year, with more firepower at first and second, we afford a .240 golden glove in left field. Not sure we can do it this year with Johnson and Thorman. Nothing would make Braves fans happier than to see Langy up his average to .275 or so and cut down on the k’s.

By MBATL

March 20, 2007 1:29 PM | Link to this

Shuan, we’ve already got a “Betemit-Aybar” type; Willie Aybar, and he’s only 23. So trade Escobar while someone might still think he’s more than that.

Guess this dead horse is pretty well beaten. It’s not the biggest issue of the spring. I just don’t see a real place for Escobar (unless we trade Renteria now rather than later?). But of course no harm in letting him gain another year of experience.

Dave, Betemit is hitting .229 (8 for 35) with no homers, 2 doubles, 8 strikeouts, and 3 walks. OBP is .289, SLG is .286. Two errors in 70 innings.

By N8......."It's ALL good!"

March 20, 2007 1:31 PM | Link to this

dave

you asked:

“I can’t help but wonder what numbers Wilson Betimit is has. I’m still not convinced if that trade was worth it.”

So far this spring Betemit has appeared in 13 games, with 8 hits in 35 AB’s (.229), 2 doubles, 0 HR’s, 4 runs and 2 RBI.

By flbravesgirl

March 20, 2007 1:33 PM | Link to this

The Grinch has returned! Welcome back, amigo. You’ve got mail.

DOB, very glad to see that you’re planning an article on McCann. About time he got a little attention this spring. I’m sure the triple will be mentioned :-). Wish I could’ve seen it!

Choppinmama, thanks for the report. Nice to hear that the boys appreciate the fans.

By David O'Brien

March 20, 2007 1:36 PM | Link to this

Someone in the Dodgers front office recently told another writer I know that they (Dodgers) had traded “garbage for garbage” in the Aybar/Baez-for-Betemit deal. Not saying I agree _ I think Aybar can be at least a good bench player if he toughens up a bit and gets a clue about what the team wants to see in terms of attitude and desire _ but it might give you a bit of insight into what some over on the Dodgers side are thinking at this point about both players.

By ElbravoX

March 20, 2007 1:38 PM | Link to this

Maybe the Braves can bring back Betemit to play center field next year, any thoughts?

By Shaun

March 20, 2007 1:43 PM | Link to this

Braves20,

A player can be productive with a relatively low average and a lot of strikeouts. The important thing for Langerhans is he hits around 15-20 homers, continues to reach base/avoid outs at a good rate, and continues to play great defense. If he does that, he’ll be what the Braves want.

dave,

Betemit’s a career .271/.332/.433 hitter, below average in all categories for his career. Good but nothing special. There was no need to keep him around and soon have to overpay for him.

By N8......."It's ALL good!"

March 20, 2007 2:00 PM | Link to this

ElbravoX

“Maybe the Braves can bring back Betemit to play center field next year, any thoughts?”

Sure, and Dan Kolb can play 3B.

By KC

March 20, 2007 2:06 PM | Link to this

N8: Excellent points, all. But again, I didn’t just say the bullpen… I said a combination of a dominant bullpen and a very good offense would inflate the win totals of Atlanta’s starters this year.

In 2002, Atlanta was 10th (out of 16, of course) in the league in runs scored.

I believe the Braves will be in the top 3… or at least the top 4 in runs scored this year, which is no small part of my equation. I think this bullpen could actually outperform the 2002 bullpen in terms of preserving leads for starters… if only because the offense this year is more likely to provide a greater margin of error.

It could very well be that my win predictions for the 1-3 starters this year are too high… but I really do think they’re in the right ballpark. 52 Wins is very comparable to the 56 I predicted for this rotation. Maybe they don’t get to 56, but if all three are healthy and Hudson bounces back this year… I’ll be shocked if this trio doesn’t win at least 50.

As for any defensive discrepancies between the 2002 team and this year’s squad… I don’t it. The only potential defensive handicap we have is Kelly Johnson. But the 2002 team had Javy behind the plate, and we are much better off now defensively at that position. Scott Thorman is not a bad first-baseman. He isn’t Adam LaRoche, but he’s no slouch. And the Braves were in-between slick fielding first baseman (Gallaraga-LaRoche) in 2002.

“I’m not sure 104 wins (much less anything above 95) is a realistic expectation.”

Provided the Braves are reasonably healthy this year, I think they can win 100 games. I really do. But only if Hudson has a good season and Chuck James picks up where he left off. Tim Hudson (and to a lesser extent, Chuck James) is the key for the Braves this season. I still think Hampton could be a factor in October, but I don’t think he’s going to able to help their regular season record much.

If Hudson and James come through, this rotation is going to be in great shape. Between Redman, Hampton, Cormier, and Davies… we’ll find a winning combination for the 4, 5 slots. Then you add what will likely be the best bullpen and baseball and a (still) very good offense… what’s to keep them from winning 100??

“But just to be clear, I’m not being rude, or saying you are off your rocker. Just saying, at this point, I wouldn’t bet on it.”

Hey, I haven’t taken anything you’ve said as being the slightest bit rude. I enjoy interacting with someone who will disagree, but explain why… someone who’s actually put some thought into their viewpoints. And I wouldn’t bet on any of this either. I’m not saying I have 100% confidence that XYZ is going to happen… I’m just offering my best guess based on the facts in hand.

By KC

March 20, 2007 2:07 PM | Link to this

To add to my last post:

If last year’s Mets team could win 97 games with that rotation… then this Braves team, if a couple of key factors go their way, could easily better that Mets team.

By Rodger

March 20, 2007 2:14 PM | Link to this

Shaun, just when I start to buy your story, you change it:

A player can be productive with a relatively low average and a lot of strikeouts. The important thing for Langerhans is he hits around 15-20 homers, continues to reach base/avoid outs at a good rate

How do you “avoid outs at a good rate” with a lot of strikeouts and a low average?

The important thing for Langerhans is he hits around 15-20 homers

I thought homers were unimportant?

By Stuart

March 20, 2007 2:17 PM | Link to this

If KJ doesnt hack it as a leadoff man I would like to see Langerhans get a shot to leadoff. I think he has good plate dicipline and then he would have value there. Plus it would keep his glove in the game. Then I would like to see Prado and KJ have a legit competition to see who is the better 2b and bat 8th. I dont like this lack of comp for the 2b job, or 1b for that matter. Best man should win, period.

By N8......."It's ALL good!"

March 20, 2007 2:27 PM | Link to this

KC

“In 2002, Atlanta was 10th (out of 16, of course) in the league in runs scored.”

Of course in all of my “stats” on the pitching I looked up, I forgot to actually look up the 2002 offensive numbers. I just assumed that the offense was more productive. LOL! My Bad.

And you are right. The ONLY spot on the field where we were better in 2002 defensively was at 3B with Vinny. It was HIGHWAY ROBBERY that he didn’t win the GG that year, IMO. Not to mention having Chipper in LF is a HUGE step down defensively vs. Langerhans.

So I’m willing to conceed that if four things happen, you may be closer to the truth than I.

1) Tim Hudson HAS TO REBOUND. (I believe we both agree here.)

2) Chuck James must not have a “sophomore slump”. (judging by his minor league history, I’ll assume his 2006 numbers weren’t a fluke)

3) Relative overall healthiness to Chipper and Smoltz. Any long stretch without Smoltz and we’re in trouble (unless Hudson is SO dominant that we could sustain it), but more importantly, if Chipper doesn’t play in at least 120 games, we’re in trouble, IMO.

If ALL OF THOSE THINGS come true. Then, YES. I believe this team can win between 90-100 games, and leave the Mets in the dust.

On the other hand if any combination of those things DON’T happen. YIKES!

By KC

March 20, 2007 2:30 PM | Link to this

Stuart: Not trying to rain on your parade, but Langerhans he’s a career .254 hitter to this point. And while he’s having a good spring… he’s struck out 15 times in 37 at-bats. Ouch.

By ElbravoX

March 20, 2007 2:43 PM | Link to this

N8- Kolb could play more games than Hoss!

By Shaun

March 20, 2007 2:44 PM | Link to this

How do you “avoid outs at a good rate” with a lot of strikeouts and a low average?

Average does not take into account every way to avoid an out (namely, walks and getting hit by pitches). On-base percentage is the way to measure out-avoiding because it basically takes into account every way a player avoids an out (hits, walks, HBP). 1-OBP=Out Percentage. And walks are pretty common, so it seems odd that for a lot of years batting average, which didn’t take walks into account, was the standard.

Carlos Delgado in 2004 hit .269—a little below the overall league average. Yet he still avoided outs in over 62 percent of his plate appearances—well above the league average. Plus Delgado slugged .535.

I’m sure there are much more extreme examples than Delgado that you could find, but you get the idea.

Also, who said homers were unimportant? Homers are the best offensive weapon in baseball. That’s (at least) one run in one plate appearance and no outs. Can’t get much better than that.

By Brooklyn Braves Brawler

March 20, 2007 2:53 PM | Link to this

Hey DOB,

I’m not locked in to having Chris Woodward make this team. I’d musch rather keep Tony Pena Jr, Prado, and Orr. Send Yunel to Triple-A. Orr can play OF and TP can play SS and 2nd. Prado can play 3b, 2b. Tradw Woodward for a Minor league OF or RP. I know the Cubs are looking.

By Shaun

March 20, 2007 2:56 PM | Link to this

KC,

Langerhans is a perfect example of why even the most avid “stathead” can’t trust only numbers (or at least can’t just trust the most basic numbers).

Langerhans is 27, which means he is in the midst of his peak seasons. Langerhans was a well above average out-avoider last season. He shouldn’t drop off from that, given his age. Langerhans hasn’t shown all that much power, but over the past two seasons his power has been respectable in a limited role.

As far a his strikeouts in spring training: 1)It’s just 37 spring at-bats. We shouldn’t put much stock in just 37 AB’s. 2)See my above post about still being productive despite a high K rate.

If you are avoiding outs at an impressive rate and hitting for power, it doesn’t really matter if a lot of your outs are coming via the strikeout, you will be productive (see Jim Thome).

By MBATL

March 20, 2007 2:56 PM | Link to this

DOB, any “buzz” about Buddy Carlyle? I know he’s a 30-year-old nobody, but 10 scoreless innings, 10 K’s vs. 2 walks… more impressive than Redman so far. I’m guessing he just has no shot but wondering if you’ve heard any chatter about him.

By Phil in Alabam

March 20, 2007 2:58 PM | Link to this

ARTVANDELAY, you wouldn’t happen to be a Knoxville-based band man who used to root for the Bravos in Cedar Bluff, would you? Good to see the Cash link.

By the way, I’ve got to say Langerhans has been one of my favorite prospects to watch coming through the Braves’ farm system and have long hoped he’d latch on full-time. He just seems to have the tools and attitude needed to be a big-time help to the club. And I love watching him fly around in the outfield, every bit as capable as A.J.

That said, I’m frankly surprised after the last couple of seasons of inconsistency that he even still has a shot at a starting job on the team. If he can put it together, I hope he still gets that LF gig. If he hits a rough patch early, I’d guess this will be his last year competing for a spot on the Braves home nine.

Enjoy the off day.

By Shaun

March 20, 2007 3:00 PM | Link to this

Rodger,

Yeah, I forgot to mention strikeouts. But that’s easy. Look at the single season strikeout leaders. That list is loaded with great players having productive, if not great seasons.

Doesn’t matter how you make outs if you are avoiding them at a decent rate and gaining a lot of bases at a good rate when you’re avoiding outs.

By KC

March 20, 2007 3:07 PM | Link to this

N8:

All the offensive pieces were there in 2002, but nearly everyone underachieved with the bat that year. Furcal had a lousy OBP and SB% wasn’t great. Neither Chipper nor Sheff hit for nearly as much power as they were capable, and Castilla and Javy had career-worst seasons. That team underachieved at the plate and overachieved on the mound.

Still… if it weren’t for Tom Glavine’s meltdown against SF, I think that was the Braves’ best chance since 95 to win another ring. Oh well. At least he’s due for another one (a post-season meltdown) if the Mets can get back to the playoffs. =)

As for the 2007 Braves… yes, my predictions are also contingent on those things happening.

Hudson has to bounce back this year. James has to simply pick up where he left off. And this team to stay reasonably healthy.

Of those 3 things… Hudson’s probably the most iffy, but I feel pretty good about him right now. I’ve been saying all along, as Hudson goes, so goes the Braves season. Hampton was never the key as so many suggested. It’s all about Huddy.

On the healthy… as long as Chipper can give us at least as many AB’s as he gave us last year… I can live with that. If he plays 130-140 games (20-30 more than last year), he could completely close the offensive gap between last year’s team and this year’s team.

By Shaun

March 20, 2007 3:09 PM | Link to this

Rodger,

Yeah, I forgot to mention strikeouts. But that’s easy. Look at the single season strikeout leaders. That list is loaded with great players having productive, if not great seasons.

Doesn’t matter how you make outs if you are avoiding them at a decent rate and gaining a lot of bases at a good rate when you’re avoiding outs.

By Shaun

March 20, 2007 3:19 PM | Link to this

Rodger,

One more thing and I’ll stop beating this horse: The best hitters don’t fail 7 out of 10 times, they fail 6 out of 10 times. The best hitters get hits, draw walks, get hit 4 out of 10 times. And the best hitters are still going to be able to do this if they strikeout 3 out of the 6 times they make an out…there’s a simple breakdown.

By journalist jimmy smith

March 20, 2007 3:30 PM | Link to this

never beat a horse. there are many horse lovers on this team and on this blog. one player is even affectionately called, “hoss”. (dob, it is affection, right?) can’t saddle hoss up right now but he can still put on the feedbag. not a show horse - a workhorse much like george busbee, the old second baseman before treadway. and now, what to do with a hoss that won’t run …

By Chop Chop

March 20, 2007 3:52 PM | Link to this

A lot of fans just get blinded by their loyalty to a team and overvalue the players that they cheer for on a day-to-day basis. That’s what happened with Betemit last year. Here’s another example: Ken Ray. Many of us were coming up with nicknames for the guy and riding that wave for a few weeks, but the truth is that Ken Ray, while a nice fellow, is just another junky reliever. Never forget that when viewing this year’s Braves team. Five or six of the guys (maybe more) on the team will be easily replaceable, so don’t freak out if they get traded. After all, Schuerholz has proven he isn’t dumb enough to make a catastrophically bad trade that will ruin this team for years to come, so if he trades Martin Prado, wipe those tears away.

By OddJob

March 20, 2007 3:57 PM | Link to this

UUUUMAMA!!!! pretty eyes,sexy mouth and big ugly feets,whats not to like?

By Lew

March 20, 2007 3:59 PM | Link to this

Shaun-I don’t think Langerhans is the hitter KJ is, either, just that if you look at the numbers, this has yet to be proven. By either player, actually.

By flange1

March 20, 2007 4:16 PM | Link to this

Hi All,

Love the new Son Volt! Been listening in my car contantly for the last 10 days, I think it is the best album they have done with either group of band members.

DOB, I agree with the Dodgers front office guy on the garbage for garbage trade! I am tired of hearing about Betemit! I would rather have Escobar, Prado, Pena or even Orr over Aybar or Betemit…..

I think the reserves are going to be Pena and Woodward with Aybar on the DL. Then try to wiggle Pena through waivers.

My question with Diaz having a so so spring, is does he make the team? I have never been a big fan of his but do we keep Diaz, look at Harris, consider Bonn, maybe a rookie or look to trade for a different back up with some upside?

thoughts?

By journalist jimmy smith

March 20, 2007 4:23 PM | Link to this

go back in time … kj got the original start in left - not langerhans. bobby stuck with kj for a long, long, time. fianlly, kj got hot and was nl player of the week or month or something. then, kj cooled. langerhans played, got hot with the bat, and stole the bacon. not sure what stole the bacon means, but is sounds baseballish. langerhans hit well toward the end of season and in the playoff series. in fact, langerhans was really good for a time. then, there was last season. uh,oh. well, perhaps langerhans will strike the ball more than langerhans misses it this season. perhaps kj will hit like a demon. let ‘em both play. now, bbq suace on tuna fish - this does not appeal even after an entire day has passed. and why do people that do not like mayo still seem to favor thousand island dressing? hmmm…

By gotigers72

March 20, 2007 4:27 PM | Link to this

To whomever suggested Langerhans as a leadoff hitter - Say this the way Jim Mora said “playoffs” in that famous footage of him at a post game conference.

“Leadoff? Leadoff? You’re saying Leadoff?” No way. He strikes out way too much to be hitting “Leadoff”.

By jed

March 20, 2007 4:34 PM | Link to this

Are we looking at platoons at 3 positions this season (LF, 2b, 1b)? I can’t recall a team having this many platooned positions, but it seems that, with the players we’ve got, it would be the smart way to go.

By TK

March 20, 2007 4:38 PM | Link to this

My 2 cents. Why is everyone going spring crazy over Prado? He is a average ball player. People get crazy over a high average (Jurries last year)in spring. Last I looked KJ had produced more with his lower average than Prado had. Send Prado to AAA to play everyday in case something happens to KJ. Send Aybar to AAA to play 3rd everyday in case Chipper goes down. Don’t waste them on the bench. It lets them have plenty of AB’s if you need them. You have Orr, Pena, & Woodward for bench infield. Send Davies to AAA. Ryan in LF this year will hit 18+ homers if given a chance.

By Kieran from Long Island

March 20, 2007 4:46 PM | Link to this

Hahahah…

ElbravoX March 20, 2007 1:38 PM Maybe the Braves can bring back Betemit to play center field next year, any thoughts?

To quote the 40 Year-old Virgin- “Is that a serious question?”

By Turnin2

March 20, 2007 4:58 PM | Link to this

KC - I sat next to an old pitcher (from the 60’s Tiger org) at the Braves/Tigers game this week and we talked about how Huddy didn’t seem to be fooling anyone - I asked him from a pitcher’s perspective- why did he feel Tim’s been so iffy since arriving in ATL - just can’t adjust to the NL? His answer shocked me - he said he thought Tim has lost his fastball - and that’s why the A’s gave him up so easily. Now I can’t even begin to tell you if that’s true, but if so, maybe savvy and location can make up for it, he does seem to have better location -at times - this year. Anyone else feel Tim’s fastball was left on the westcoast?

By ncscoots

March 20, 2007 5:00 PM | Link to this

jjs has the history correct…Langy, in effect, beat out KJ for the position that year. Yet the majority of our bloggers seem to have infinite faith that KJ will hit and Langy will not. While I think KJ’s minor league stats indicate he should be OK, I don’t get the “we all know KJ is gonna hit” comments. There’s just no basis for it. No telling if Langy can hit .270 on a regular basis, either, but judging him on last year alone (and forgetting he hit .298 at Richmond and .267 in his first ML year) is probably not a reasonable evaluation.

By Braves20

March 20, 2007 5:04 PM | Link to this

Shaun - “A player can still be productive despite a high strikeout ratio.” Sell that to a manager or a general manager and you have a career as a sports agent.

By Turnin2

March 20, 2007 5:16 PM | Link to this

Right on TK — totally agree with you. KJ and Langy have always been two of my favorites every ST since way back when…Especially pulled for Ryan since he first showed up in ST and now with Hubby teaching KJ, my confidence is there that he’ll do just fine.
I haven’t seen anything suspicious with Woodward - considering he just started playing. Didn’t seem rusty, but as with the Jones and every other player - just have to stay healthy.

I’d definitely trade or send Pena JR back. Orr has proven he can come off the bench as can Woodward when needed -keep the other kids warm in MILB so they are ready to step up if needed.

By journalist jimmy smith

March 20, 2007 5:23 PM | Link to this

bloggers must refrain from using the term “down” with chipper as “in case chipper goes down”. now that chipper is a hoss, being put down takes on new meaning. and who will take the shot? timmy could not put down lassie. my friend could not put down flicka. lew is the only one left - or maybe grinch could take a shot from the roof. let’s hope for a miraculous recovery and continued good health for hoss. now, more pleasant baseball discussion … toes. there have been several toe injuries this spring in baseball. fortunately, no toe injury has taken its toll on the braves. sure, paronto and bohn both took one to the toe(s) but both were resilient. and why do so many hunters get shot in the toe(s)? and why do we have the expression going toe-to-toe? and must the participants going toe-to-toe always have the same number toes? carroll rogers is in for dob today - maybe carroll rogers will weigh in on this matter. now, music: A-weema-weh A-weema-weh A-weema-weh A-weema-weh A-weema-weh A-weema-weh A-weema-weh A-weema-weh A-weema-weh A-weema-weh A-weema-weh A weema-weh A-weema-weh A-weema weh A-weema-weh A-weema-weh

In the clubhouse, the mighty clubhouse The hoss sleeps tonight In the clubhouse, the quiet clubhouse The hoss sleeps tonight.

By David O'Brien

March 20, 2007 5:27 PM | Link to this

WE’VE GOT MORE QUOTES ON ANDRUW THAN WE CAN POSSIBLY USE. Thanks very much for the great response, folks. You all are the best. Much appreciated.

By Carroll Rogers

March 20, 2007 6:11 PM | Link to this

Calling on quoters twice in the same day! I make a cameo on the blog (hopefully in blue letters this time) to ask for any takers to contribute to a story Tom Stinson is writing about baseball statistics and why we as fans are so attached to numbers (as opposed to hoops and football etc). If you’re interested in talking/writing about this, please e-mail tom at tstinson@ajc.com. Like Dave said, please include your first and last name, hometown and a phone number where you can be reached. Stinson can clarify further questions he has. Thanks very much!!!

By David O'Brien

March 20, 2007 6:40 PM | Link to this

OK, for those who scrolled over Carroll’s non-blue-lettered request, Tom Stinson is writing a story about baseball statistics and why all of us are so enamored of basball stats (as opposed to stats in basketball and football, etc). If you�re interested in being quoted, e-mail Tom (NOT ME THIS TIME, BUT TOM) at tstinson@ajc.com.

Again, please include your first and last name, hometown and a phone number where you can be reached. Stinson can clarify further questions he has. Or go to Manuel’s Tavern in Atlanta and you can probably find him to give him your quotes in person. (kidding, Stinny)

By David O'Brien

March 20, 2007 6:52 PM | Link to this

Jed, I’ve heard nothing to make me believe there will be a platoon at 2B. Kelly’s the guy, at least to begin the season. They’re going to see what he can do.

And no, also no consideration given to moving Kellly back to left field. None whatsoever. Such a move makes no sense.

By Yars

March 20, 2007 7:01 PM | Link to this

I think by now, if the Braves weren’t convinced that KJ is not capable of playing 2B, something would have been said. They would not continue to start him @ 2B. KJ will be given 6-8 weeks when the regular season begins to prove himself. He’ll be just fine. The more he plays 2B, the more comfortable he will feel and the more confidence he will gain. I already predict he will put up better numbers than Marcus Giles this season.

By Coach

March 20, 2007 7:04 PM | Link to this

Turin2 , That old pitcher knows what he is talking about. The thing is , Huddy’s fastball is a sinker. It’s just not his straight fastball. Confused yet ? I’ll explain. you throw the sinker pretty much like a fastball. It is mostly a modified two seem fastball. Take your two seemer grip , then move your pointer and middle fingers closer together. They should now be between the seams(fingers on the seems take away the sinking action). the thumb is offset from the six o’clock position to about the seven/eight o’clock position. When you throw , this grip will make you , without trying , turn the ball over. From a right handed pitcher this will give the ball a clockwise movement and top spin. the ball will sink and have a tendency to move in and down on a right handed hitter. The sinker is thrown with just a little less velocity than a straight four seem fastball. What the old fella was really saying is that Huddy’s sinker wasn’t sinking , it was behaving like a straight 88 to 92 MPH fastball right down the pipe(middle of the plate) and thats why Huddy was getting lit up like a Christmas tree.

By KC

March 20, 2007 7:08 PM | Link to this

Turnin2:

I’m no expert, but I remember him throwing fastballs in the low 90’s with a lot of movement in his last outing. When he kept the ball down (which he seemed to do better out of the stretch) he made hitters look bad. He made some mid-game adjustments and looked like the Hudson of old in the 5th inning. Even when he wasn’t locating as well, he was getting a lot of movement on his pitches.

I don’t think Hudson’s lost anything. And really… could he have? He’s still young, and hasn’t had any kind of debilitating injuries. It’s not like he had a major shoulder surgery and now his velocity is down. It’s all still there. He’s just got to be able mechanically and mentally to do the things necessary to harness it as he did the first 5-7 years of his career.

If he can get that sinker and changeup working down in the zone as he did back in 5th inning the other day, and do it consistently (as he did back in Oakland)… he’ll be that legitimate ace once again. Will that happen? We’ll just have to wait and see, but I do think there have been some very encouraging signs so far this spring.

By KC

March 20, 2007 7:23 PM | Link to this

Nice piece on Blaine Boyer at atlantabraves.com today. Seems he is fully recovered from the shoulder problems and ready to pick up where he left off in 2005. He’s reportedly throwing very well. A bit rusty, according to BC, but his arm is as impressive as ever.

Also, this quote about Phil Stockman came from the same column:

“Cox said Monday that he’d targeted Stockman as the top candidate to fill one of the final spots in the Atlanta bullpen. The 27-year-old right-handed reliever registered 59 strikeouts in 43 2/3 innings at the Minor League level last season. Because he’s gotten a late start, Stockman will likely begin this season in Richmond’s bullpen.”

Boyer and Stockman are more than ready to contribute at the big league level and have the stuff to be major league closers in the future. Problem is… there’s no room for either in the Atlanta bullpen.

If Cormier remains solid through the first 6-8 weeks of the season… then when Hampton returns, Mark Redman could be trade bait.

If Redman pitches half-way decent, at his salary (remarkably low in this market), he would probably be attractive to a number of teams.

Looks like the Braves will be in a position to deal very soon without depleting their farm system.

Package Redman, one of the Braves relievers… maybe a guy like Tyler Yates, and perhaps one prospect, and it seems to me that you could get a big piece in return. How bout a proven leadoff man?

By Robert (Justice Is The Best)

March 20, 2007 7:25 PM | Link to this

Look, there never was a position battle at 2B. The Braves have said since December that Kelly Johnson was the guy and I personally believe they had this in mind back in last August or September when it became apparent Marcus Giles could not be retained.

As for the LF and 1B situations, I see them like this. In LF the Braves would prefer Langerhans win the job outright. His defense is so good that he really needs to be in the lineup everyday. The problem is his bat. Now, I’m not sure that his spring numbers are for real, but I’m as equally not sold that his numbers last year were reflective of his abilities either.

As for 1B, I think the Braves would prefer Thorman win the job outright, but it is better for the lineup to have the platoon. Wilson’s bat has to be in the lineup on a consistent basis. And if it came down to having either Thorman or Langy in the lineup everyday, I would think Langerhans would be the choice because of the aforementioned defense.

When you really think about it, this team is in such a better position than last year. The depth the Braves have is great. JS and Cox have to feel good knowing they have Brandon Jones, Gregor Blanco, and TJ Bohn in the minors if anything were to happen to any of the outfielders. They also have to feel good knowing they have Pete Orr, Yunel Escobar, and Martin Prado in the minors as infield depth. Not to mention that Davies will be down in the minors as far as starters go with Cormier likely joining him when Hampton returns from injury.

By Lew

March 20, 2007 7:35 PM | Link to this

KC-I’d be willing to bet that out of the stretch, Hudson pitches more upright than out of a windup. I swear, when I saw those two videos of him in Oakland and last year synched together, the difference was night and day. He was WAY more upright when in Oakland. I guarantee that’s what’s causing his problem. His delivery is way different. It may also have something to do with the batter’s ability to see the ball coming out of his hand. I wonder if anyone other than that guy from SI.COmM has thought to compare. It’ would be quite obvious if they did. I would also be willing to bet that after his oblique injury, dropping down in his delivery took stress off of the muscles. Wish I could remember where I say it.

By James

March 20, 2007 7:36 PM | Link to this

DOB, how did the braves do in the minor league game today? I was wondering specifically about how Cormier performed.

By Robert (Justice Is The Best)

March 20, 2007 7:47 PM | Link to this

Cormier pitched six scoreless innings. He got into a baseloaded jam in the sixth and proceeded to get three consecutive strikeouts.

By KC

March 20, 2007 7:59 PM | Link to this

James: This is from the Braves website:

With Tuesday being a scheduled off-day for the big-league club, Lance Cormier kept himself on his regular pitching schedule, completing six scoreless innings in a Minor League game against Detroit’s Triple-A club.

Cormier ended his outing by escaping a bases-loaded jam with three strikeouts. He did so with the help of a curveball that has been dazzling hitters throughout this month.

While throwing this curveball last year, Cormier found umpires unwilling to consistently give him the high strike. This year, he’s been throwing the pitch from a slightly lower angle and it is still getting effective movement.

Including Tuesday’s Minor League game, Cormier has now thrown 18 consecutive scoreless innings. While allowing just two earned runs in the 20 innings he’s completed, Cormier has seemingly moved far ahead of Kyle Davies in the battle for the final starting rotation spot.

By KC

March 20, 2007 8:02 PM | Link to this

Lew: Could be. Maybe I was imagining things, but he really did seem to look better out of the stretch. Something to keep an eye on during his start on Friday. It’ll be televised on ESPN.

By Lew

March 20, 2007 8:11 PM | Link to this

KC-I broke down and bought the MLB TV and bought new speakers for my computer. I’ll try to watch it. Wish I could find those synched videos. The difference in his delivery is staggering.

By David O'Brien

March 20, 2007 8:29 PM | Link to this

Cormier pitched six innings (three hits, two walks, five strikeouts) in 9-0 Richmond win vs. Tigers Triple-A team.

In same game, Stockman pitched one inning with a walk and two strikeouts in his spring debut, and catcher B. Pena went 3-for-5 with three singles and two RBIs.

By Troy

March 20, 2007 10:01 PM | Link to this

DOB- Great article about McCann, the guy is absolutely amazing. I have a lot of respect for Joe Mauer and he deserves all the credit he is recieving, but I’ll take the “underrated” McCann anyday. It’ll be fun watching these two catchers over the next several years being debated as to who is the best.

By KC

March 20, 2007 10:34 PM | Link to this

Brian McCann is without a doubt the most underrated player in the game right now. Not underrated by opposing players… that’s not what I’m saying. I guess under-recognized would be a better way to put it.

Over the last 15 months or so it’s been “Joe Mauer, Joe Mauer, Joe Mauer” in the national media. And that’s due in large part to the fact that the Twins made the post-season while the Braves posted a losing record… but McCann’s name will be out there more this season I would think.

Maybe I’m biased toward McCann because I saw him play everyday this year… but if I were starting an MLB tomorrow and could pick any catcher in the big leagues, McCann would be my guy.

McCann and Mauer are bother good defensive catchers and great hitters. But I think McCann has a little something extra special in his intellect behind the plate and the chemistry he seems to automatically develop with pitchers. Also, McCann has significantly more power than Mauer.

And as was pointed out in the McCann article, Mauer had the benefit of DH’ing many of those games, and playing at least half his games in air-conditioned comfort. Playing in 95 degrees takes a lot out of you, but that’s truer for the catcher than any guy on the field. What McCann did last year was truly, truly impressive… especially when you consider that it was only his first full season in the big leagues.

Don’t get me wrong… they’re neck and neck, and any GM in baseball would give their right arm to have either one. I’m just going to give McCann a slight edge in the “best young catcher” department for all the reasons just stated.

By KC

March 20, 2007 10:37 PM | Link to this

Lew: Sound like maybe Hudson gets better location and downward movement on his sinker and other pitchers when he’s stays on top of the ball more in his delivery.

Again, let’s see if there’s any noticable difference between his delivery out of the stretch on Friday.

By flbravesgirl

March 20, 2007 11:26 PM | Link to this

Thanks for the story on McCann, DOB. Great job. I just love that kid (but y’all already knew that).

KC, I agree with every word of your 10:34. I don’t begrudge Mauer the attention he’s gotten, he deserves it. I just want to see Mac get the credit he deserves too.

By OddJob

March 20, 2007 11:54 PM | Link to this

Coach I agree about Hudson’s stinker-sinker,but that still doesn’t change the fact that he usually lost it after the fifth.It seems that conditioning must have played a roll in the problem,also Hudson has said as much.

By The Grinch

March 21, 2007 12:01 AM | Link to this

So, FBG; how do you feel about McCann? Sorry you got left out of the Uma Thurman thing; you and CL and Choppinmama feel free to hold your own beefcake debate. Never say we’re not a democratic blog. No graphic imagery please, though, if you don’t mind. Pretend I did not reference ta-tas earlier. :-)

By N8......."It's ALL good!"

March 21, 2007 12:15 AM | Link to this

KC

As most of you know, I live up north in Twins land, so I’ve followed the Mauer situation, not by choice, but because for the last few years, you couldn’t escape the hype.

In all fairness to McCann, and I’m not disagreeing with you, btw, Mauer was a MUCH higher profile pick in the draft, than McCann was.

The Twins picked their local boy (Mauer grew up in the Twin Cities), similar to the way the Braves did with McCann. Mauer was ALWAYS gonna hit at the big league level, according to all of the reports. But what threw everybody into a tizzy around these parts, is that the Twins picked him INSTEAD of Mark Prior.

For the longest time, it looked like they were gonna regret it, according to all the Twins fans. But you have to hand it to the Twins upper management and scouting. They KNEW what they wanted, and OBVIOUSLY (with the advantage of hindsight), made the correct choice, IMO.

Joe Mauer hit .332 with a .407 OBP. and an .833 OPS with 9 HR and 165 RBI in 284 minor league games. Obviously his power is still developing.

Brian McCann hit .275 with a .334 OBP. and a .796 OPS with 36 HR and 174 RBI in 305 minor league games. McCann had much more power in the minors, but Mauer produced about the same ammount of RBI by just hitting better.

Pretty hard to IGNORE a prospect that hits .332 in 284 games. It’s quit obvious the kid could ALWAYS hit.

As for their respective ML careers (which is really what’s being dicussed here):

Mauer

.321 BA, .399 OBP, .870 OPS, 28 HR and 156 RBI in 306 career games.

McCann

.317 BA, .376 OBP, .899 OPS, 29 HR and 116 RBI in 189 career games. (not too shabby for just over a full season’s worth of “games played”)

Again, getting back to the “hype”. Joe Mauer was the NUMBER 1 OVERALL pick in the 2001 draft (picked ahead of phenom Mark Prior), McCann was picked in the second round #64 overall, in the 2002 draft.

Of course, Mauer’s gonna get all the press, not to mention you are correct about the whole “playoffs” exposure, that helped, IMO. But Gammons has been talking about Mauer since 2001, on ESPN.

Just imaging all the hype McCann would’ve gotten had he put up these kind of numbers, back in the beginning of “the streak”. THAT would’ve been crazy.

But to make a long story LONGER. I agree with you that McCann has been just as good, IF NOT BETTER than Mauer the last 2 years (year and a half).

By Tomahawkin

March 21, 2007 12:15 AM | Link to this

Hey, D.O.B., I was talkin wit some of the cats in the philly.com forum, and Lets just think of how cold Philly is gonna be, ecpecially if they get anything like what it was last week, Nuthin like seein Smoltzie pitch in cold temps…And BTW I know Ur dreading the cold air of philly…we’re are all used to the warm weather now, but I won’t be suprised to see a few pitching duels, once we hit philly, (If and only if its cold…)

By OddJob

March 21, 2007 12:23 AM | Link to this

On the Mauer-McCann comparisons,I’m sure most of you have seen or know about the si article on Mauer last year.They made a good case for his being if not the best young catcher ever then very close.So I compared McCann’s numbers and as most of you know they were very close,Mauer had a slightly higher average and oba but Brien had the better power numbers,again it was close.The article made a big point about Mauer’s tender age but as we know Brien is a year his junior.So who is better? who can really say at this point? but we have a McCann and a damn good one at that!

By OddJob

March 21, 2007 12:54 AM | Link to this

I sure wish I’d seen the article on McCann before my last post.It makes me look like a jackass!

By Coach

March 21, 2007 1:00 AM | Link to this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-HITNFo7Pk Enjoy , Braves fans.

By supa

March 21, 2007 1:36 AM | Link to this

DOB, nice story on McCann. I had to read the stats twice, just to make sure. I know McCann had a good season, but to see those stats against Righties and RISP is just unbelievable.

I think Cormier has all but locked up the 5th starter role. The Estrade-for-Cormier/Villarreal trade might go down as one of the better ones JS has made in the past few years.

By Coach

March 21, 2007 1:51 AM | Link to this

Twenty total innings and two earned runs. A 0.90 ERA , So……who is the guy impersonating Lance Cormier ?

By David O'Brien

March 21, 2007 2:00 AM | Link to this

McCann makes it easy to write about him. Actually, it’s hard because there’s so MUCH to write about him (stats, awards, etc), but as far as cooperation, he’s as good as it gets. Classy young man.

And you don’t have to ask many people in order to get good quotes about him. Everybody loves the dude….

Just got back from Jason Isbell show. For those who might not recognize the name, he’s one of the guitarists and songwriters from the Drive-By Truckers. Great, great show. I was regretting going as I drove 40 minutes to downtown Orlando with a ton of special-section stuff due this weekend, but I’d already bought the tickets and all. Once I got there, was glad I went.

He jammed, and it was a tiny place he played, a little bar. Me and Jake, the Braves’ radio producer, are sitting there watching Jason Isbell and his tight band play “Decoration Day,” “Outfit” and Tom Petty’s “American Girl,” among other tunes, with about 50-60 people. Stellar.

By Wayne in UT

March 21, 2007 2:14 AM | Link to this

It is late, so I don’t expect a response from anyone tonight (working late as he!! these days).

If ‘Hoss’ stays healthy, and Escobar keeps tearing it up wherever he is (Richmond?) and KJ performs as expected at leadoff and 2B and then if Langy and Diaz are not up to standards as well as Wilson not being able to make the throws from left field, would BC move KJ to left and put Escobar in at 2B?

Just another what if….

I really like our prospects for the next 2-3 years, especially with our potentials at 2B-SS-3B. Ad those to Thorman/McCann/Francoeur and our hitting looks to be strong for years.

Nite all…

By Wayne in UT

March 21, 2007 2:24 AM | Link to this

Sounds like a great show Dave. Reminds me of years ago when an old friend of mine near Augusta played guitar in a local group (can’t even remember their name). He was an OK singer, but loved to jam to country rock.

He would come up to Greenville to visit and get out my old Gibson ES 175 and play the blues for 30 minutes without a rest. I was luck to just be able to keep up with the rhythm with my old Yamaha.

Those were the days!!

By jed

March 21, 2007 2:28 AM | Link to this

Does anybody else think it’s stupid to have your catcher blocking the plate in a 5-3 game in May? I do. I know it’s not a “baseball” thing to say, and you can call it what you want, but if I’m managing the Braves, I’m protecting McCann.

By jed

March 21, 2007 2:28 AM | Link to this

Does anybody else think it’s stupid to have your catcher blocking the plate in a 5-3 game in May? I do. I know it’s not a “baseball” thing to say, and you can call it what you want, but if I’m managing the Braves, I’m protecting McCann.

By MS

March 21, 2007 3:23 AM | Link to this

I’m on the left coast this week and Letterman is on. Apparently Dave is sick this week, so Adam Sandler is filling in for him. Don Cheadle and Danica Patrick are the guests. You can tell Sandler is a little nervous and out of his element as a host but its been pretty funny so far. But DOB, guess who’s the musical guest?? None other than Lucinda herself. We’ll see how she does…

By MS

March 21, 2007 3:32 AM | Link to this

Yikes. Todd Barry was just on doing standup, and man, it was bad. Hopefully Lucinda will change the course of things…

By jed

March 21, 2007 3:40 AM | Link to this

I echo the shout-out for Lucinda’s “Lake Charles”. Reading up on the blog, that was good to see… Braves Blog? Lucinda? Evolution must be speeding up.

By MS

March 21, 2007 3:43 AM | Link to this

DOB, I hate to say it, but Lucinda didn’t bring her ‘A’ game tonight. She played “Are you alright?”, but there just didn’t seem to be much energy there. She’s not really my cup of tea musically, so maybe a big fan like you or others here would have liked it, but I thought it was fair at best. Oh well. At least Craig Ferguson is coming on now. Now that guy is hilarious. ‘Night all…

By ssiscribe

March 21, 2007 6:42 AM | Link to this

Of all the things I missed about Atlanta (not seeing family, etc.), two things I REALLY missed were going to Turner Field to see the Braves, and going to Manuel’s Tavern with my best girl for a hamburger and beverage on a Saturday night.

So it starts my day with a smile to see the reference to Manuel’s. Just one really cool place, for those of you who’ve never been there. Used to go there in college all the time, back in my days as a young Scribe, trying to make my way in the writing biz.

Now, baseball (noted transition from the Scribe): Another solid performance for Cormier. Had a discussion with a buddy of mine down on the coast yesterday evening about the ballclub. Really think Davies is heading to Richmond, and that’s OK. The pride of Stockbridge will get a chance to pitch and contribute in Atlanta at some point this season, but I think going to Richmond and being out of the spotlight somewhat will help him.

As for Cormier, I still say Davies’ pure stuff is much better. But Cormier looks, to me, like he’s learned how to pitch, and I think Kyle is still learning. Mainly with Davies, it’s a confidence thing, the confidence to throw the breaking ball for strikes, to run the fastball in enough to get guys off the plate and/or jam them. I believe he’ll work through those things. It’s definitely an asset to have both of those guys in the fold, though.

Haven’t read the McCann story yet, but I love that kid and the way he plays. For the glitz and shine of Gant and Justice, it was guys like Lemke and Olson who embodied that 1991 team. For the glitz and shine of the Jones boys, it’s guys like Mac and Frenchy who embody (sp? too early to look it up) this team.

OK, gotta run. Wow, folks. Ten more days, and Baby Scribe gets to experience Turner Field for the first time, at the White Sox exhibition game. Then, 12 days from now, it starts in Philly.

And finally, 16 days from now, I’m taking the day off work, spending it with my boys all day, then grabbing my best girl late in the day and heading to the home opener. The next day, it’s just my girl and I for the Saturday afternoon game.

And maybe after it’s over, we’ll roll to Manuel’s for a hamburger and beverage. Good time, denzines, good times indeed.

For now, the Scribe abides. Peace and a good day to all. Selah.

—30—

By David O'Brien

March 21, 2007 8:30 AM | Link to this

MS: Craig Ferguson is “hilarious?” Nothing personal, but you know how Lucinda is not your cup of tea musically? Well, Ferguson’s not my cup of tea comedically. Just not very funny, to me.

But he’s obviously popular with plenty of folks, if he landed and has kept that late-night gig.

By destin

March 21, 2007 8:32 AM | Link to this

I love the fact that McCann and Francouer are best friends. Nothing better than a ‘friendly rivalry’ to keep the competitive juices flowing. I assume they will be the 5-6 hitters to start the season. I might go McCann at 5 until Frenchy can gain more discipline — McCann’s stat with 2 out and runners on is phenonenal.

By KC

March 21, 2007 8:50 AM | Link to this

Siscribe: Yes, McCann and Frency are priceless. I would love to see the Braves lock them both into 10 year deals this year.

By KC

March 21, 2007 8:55 AM | Link to this

From Foxsports.com:

“Bob Uecker’s stalker asked to leave spring training game”

Bob Uecker has a stalker? Bob Uecker????? Jessica Alba or Shakira… that I could understand, but… BOB UECKER???!!!

Sick, sick world.

By Arkansas Hillbilly

March 21, 2007 8:56 AM | Link to this

Esteemed Journalist Jimmy, After reading your plea to refrain from using the word “down” when referring to “Hoss,” I had an enlightening moment. Laminitis…. That’s it…. Laminitis is the cause for all the foot problems. That’s why Hoss had a burr under his saddle the other day and refused the interviews. Your thoughts???

By destin

March 21, 2007 9:08 AM | Link to this

By the way, our starting pitching is becoming an issue. I can’t believe that all of a sudden there is talk that Hudson has lost his fastball. With timing guns everywhere, if this were true, you would think we would have heard of it long before now. With Hampton down, James still unproven, and Davies so-so — what’s up?

By Micah

March 21, 2007 9:16 AM | Link to this

Top o’ morning to y’all. Just got off the phone with Jeff at ticket sales and he is going to help recover two tickets that I skillfully threw away by accident! Well, at least he says it can be done:)

DOB, I figured you to be a Conan fan. He gets all the best bands anyway, imho. Here’s a tip for you late night show viewers and tuneage lovers: DVR/TIVO Conan O’Brien and you can get the last seconds of Jay Leno, which of course allows you to receive a twofer, since the taping catches the bands on Jay and stays taping long enough for Conan’s bands. You never know who you might miss, what song might be sung, or guest appearance might show.

Ok, onto the day! I am going to get back my tickets, I can feel it….its going to be a good day! Crap, I just jinxed it:)

Go Braves!

By MGL

March 21, 2007 9:19 AM | Link to this

ESTEEMED JOURNALIST JIMMY SMITH - The following was reported in Mark Bowman’s notes today

…Once teammates are able to get an understanding of Craig Wilson’s unique personality, they come to find that he’s quite funny. Cox has had to learn that you always have to be on your toes when communicating with Wilson.

Could you please investigate and report on the meaning of being on your toes?

By The Grinch

March 21, 2007 9:21 AM | Link to this

Morning, all. I hereby accept apologies from folks (and all of you know who you are) who ridiculed me for suggesting months ago that if the Braves were smart they’d start Cormier instead of Davies at no. 5 this season. No, he doesn’t have better stuff, but after watching the two of them pitch last year it was apparent to me Cormier had a better head on his shoulders and was more likely to be better by this season than Davies was. Next year, who knows? I’ll holds off on the big “I told you so” until we see how Lance looks in the big show, but so far it looks like the Braves and the Grinch think alike about pitching (I was wholly in favor of the Ramirez/Soriano and LaRoche/Gonzalez trade too: I expect the season to prove us right). That’s right, me and JS hang out all the time; he seeks my advice. For the record, I told him no on the Woodward/Sturtze aquisitions, but he’s always been a bit bull-headed. Looks like I’m going to have to check out this Manuel’s Tavern; sounds like an Olde English Inn that plays Mariachi music. So, Scribe; is this “Best Girl” the same one as the earlier one? Just trying to get you in a little trouble in case she reads these things. You know I luv ya, man.

By Lew

March 21, 2007 9:21 AM | Link to this

I am so sick of snow and viral plagues. I swear my brain has liquified and is running out of my nose. I am about to go buy stock in Kleenex and Robitussin. I am heartened, however, to see a certain blogger coming to the realization that Cormier may just have some worth. A couple of months ago, I vivadly remember a full three day reaming when I tried to voice that opinion. I have been partialy vindicated. Hillbilly-A burr under his saddle, or a stone in his shoe?

By Shaun

March 21, 2007 9:31 AM | Link to this

Shaun - “A player can still be productive despite a high strikeout ratio.” Sell that to a manager or a general manager and you have a career as a sports agent.

Hopefully most managers and GM’s know this by now. Look at last year’s Braves, who scored the second-most runs in the NL. They had four regulars who struck out over 100 times.

The top run-scoring team in the NL, the Phillies, had three 100-K guys including Ryan Howard who struck out 181 times and was either the most productive or the second-most productive hitter in the league. Howard’s K total was the 13th-highest of all-time, yet he was still one of the two best hitters in the NL, possibly in baseball.

Over in the AL, the Indians finished second in runs scored and first in strikeouts.

The 1931 Yankees, the highest run-scoring team in history, finished third in an eight-team league in strikeouts. In fact all the prolific run-scoring Yankee teams of the late 1920’s and early 1930’s finished near the top of the league in K’s. 1927-1932 they finished in the top four in K’s every year, often finishing first.

Strikeouts have virtually no correlation with run scoring, which is the name of the game on offense.

You have a lot of players on your team who strikeout a lot, it won’t matter as long as they avoid outs and gain a lot of bases at a good rate between the strikeouts.

Contact is great in high school or little league baseball but in the majors if you aren’t making really hard contact, the ball has a great shot of being fielded in the majors.

Contact was important in early baseball because fielders didn’t wear gloves, the fields were probably not in great shape, what we think of as great baseball players and in fielders in particular probably didn’t play in the majors and once they started wearing gloves the gloves weren’t quality. But in today’s game even if you are a good contact hitter, that doesn’t necessarily mean you are productive or it doesn’t necessarily mean you are as productive as a good power hitter.

Looking at the active leaders in AB/K, it’s list of mostly decent players but really only Albert Pujols stands out as a sure-fire HOFer. Missing from the list are guys like Bonds, Manny Ramirez, Helton, Frank Thomas, Lance Berkman, Jim Thome, Vlad Guerrero, Alex Rodriguez…you get the point.

There’s the myth that speed plus contact is a deadly combination, but that’s not necessarily true. Look at Eric Young. He ranks 2nd among active players in AB/K and stole 44 bases per 162 games in his career. Even in his best years, he was never as productive as the best hitters in the league. No one every would say, “I’d love to have a team full of Eric Young’s.”

We’ve got to get out of this thinking that batting average is king and start thinking of offense in terms of out-avoiding and base-gaining.

By Arkansas Hillbilly

March 21, 2007 9:42 AM | Link to this

Grinch and Lew,

I got the same treatment over my Cormier suggestion a few months back. In fact I think one blogger replied to me by saying Oscar Villareal would get the 5th spot before Cormier would be considered. Yes, I remember it vividly.

By KC

March 21, 2007 9:42 AM | Link to this

destin: “our starting pitching is becoming an issue”

I don’t follow. Our starting pitching hasn’t been less of an issue in at least 2 years.

Sure, James has yet to prove himself over a full season, but I don’t think anyone in the Braves organization is in the least bit worried about him. He is regarded throughout baseball as the real deal. DOB has stated more than once that he knows for a fact that Tampa Bay and many other teams would give their right arms to get Chuck James. He’s been successful at every level he’s pitched at, and has excelled in both the bullpen and in the rotation here in Atlanta. No matter what’s been thrown at him, he’s excelled.

Tim Hudson’s really the key to this rotation. And to that point… I agree with you on his fastball. He was throwing fastballs in the low 90’s with plenty of movement the other day.

Someone mentioned the other day that he spoke with a former big league pitcher who felt that Hudson lost his fastball, and that’s why Oakland gave him up so easily. That’s where the talk of Hudson’s fastball got started. I’ll say two things to that…

First, I don’t think Oakland was giving him up easily. They had to trade him because they couldn’t afford to re-sign him, and they thought they were getting a good return for him. The players they got in the deal haven’t worked out, but that doesn’t mean they were giving Hudson away or shoeing him out the door.

Second, the Braves are going to investigate a deal like that thoroughly before making it. The front office is going to talk to Braves scouts, who in turn will pick up the phone and talk to other scouts who have more regularly watched the potential trade target play /pitch. Then they’ll look at video, charts, and anything else that might give them insight… then get the thoughts and feelings of the coaching staff, scouting staff, and the rest of the front office staff before pulling the trigger.

Trust me… if anything were truly wrong with Hudson’s stuff, Atlanta wouldn’t have traded for him and they wouldn’t have given him what at the time, seemed like a high-dollar deal.

Anyway, I don’t see anything wrong with his fastball. Mechanical inconsistencies are what bit Hudson last year. When he’s on, he features a good fastball in the low 90’s, has good location (pitching down in the strike zone), and has great downward movement on his pitches, especially (obviously) his sinker. We’ve seen that from him. It hasn’t gone anywhere… he just has to regain the consistency that made him so great. That’s what we have to look for from Hudson this year.

If Hudson’s on, then we’ve got as good a rotation 1-3 as any I can think of in the game right now. As for the rest of the rotation… Redman, other than the last inning of his last start when he started to run out of gas, has looked very good. Cormier’s looked fantastic, and Davies hasn’t looked “so-so”. He’s actually been pretty good this spring. He’s just struggled a bit with his control at times, which he couldn’t afford to do since Cormier’s been nearly perfect.

We have 3 good candidates for the 2 remaining spots in the rotation. When Hampton comes back, we’ll have 4 guys for 2 spots. The only problem this rotation has right now is that there’s not enough room for everyone who deserves a chance to be a part of it. And that’s a damn good problem to have.

By Lew

March 21, 2007 9:47 AM | Link to this

Grinch-This just in from the AJC food section. Not only does Kudzu make good honey and a salad green, the roots are used as hangover cures. Maybe your relief is but a backyard away.

By Daybed Wagmoe

March 21, 2007 9:49 AM | Link to this

DOB, was that Jake the Snake, as he is referred to on the mark and stu show sometimes?

By The Grinch

March 21, 2007 9:51 AM | Link to this

Laminitis? Oh, the humanity! Will Lamasil A/T be effective? Cures laminitis and athlete’s foot at the same time! Will Hoss’s hooves need to be trimmed? Will children the world over start sending him get well cards a la Barbaro? Is he so surly now because he tried to be on his toes around Wilson and got exposed? Could being on his toes around Wilson cause him to go on the DL? Was Wilson’s signing a clever ploy by management to get Hoss to switch to 1st base after all to protect said toes? If I were Jimmy Smith, I’d say “many questions…”

Lew, you’re not the first artist who’s had their brain leak out their nose.

By Lew

March 21, 2007 10:07 AM | Link to this

Hillbilly and Grinch-It just goes to show that great minds think alike (even if mine is liquid at the moment). While I fully realize that this is still Spring Training, I would like nothing more than to see ole Lance have a great season. Vindication is sweet indeed, but it’s doubtful how much I could taste it at the moment. I wonder if it can cure the common cold?

By Shaun

March 21, 2007 10:07 AM | Link to this

KC and destin,

I think our starting pitching is an issue but it’s no more of an issue than it is for 90 percent of the teams in the major leagues.

By Lew

March 21, 2007 10:09 AM | Link to this

Come to think of it, I wonder if Kudzu could cure the common cold. If we had any here in Vermont, right now it would be in the frozen food section of the south 40.

By Lew

March 21, 2007 10:20 AM | Link to this

I think the main questions surrounding pitching league wide are how tightly are the balls wound this year and what will the strike zone be? It’s time to go back to calling that strike four inches off the plate.

By Carolina Lady

March 21, 2007 10:33 AM | Link to this

Grinch, it is SO good to have you back! Hope you’re doing OK. :-)

By Matthew, Walter's Dad

March 21, 2007 10:39 AM | Link to this

Hey everybody:

It’s been a while since I’ve posted, but I read the blog everyday. DOB, still doing a bang-up job, keep up the good work.

Check out MLBTraderumors.com

There’s a very scary story about how the Mets intend to win the World Series this year. They are looking at a new outfielder…his name? Raul Mondesi.

I know, the season’s over already. Give the NL East flags to the Mets (heavy sigh).

By journalist jimmy smith

March 21, 2007 10:39 AM | Link to this

ruminations and fulminations from journalist jimmy smith:

first, hillbilly, jimmy smith once laminated jimmy smith’s library card and laminations would seem to hinder the healthy toe. why coat the toe with laminate when toe caps are available that slip right over the toe? unless … the toe will not accept a normal-sized, off-the-shelf, toe cap! perhaps these are toes of a different configuration requiring a special shoe with hidden compartments? perhaps two toes fused together (with laminate)? not certain at this point.

It is well to remember that not all horses that experience laminitis will founder but all horses that founder will first experience laminitis.

mgl, any comment of having to be “on your toes” when talking with a ballplayer means that ballplayer probably does not say, “uh”, and “you know” repeatedly in a discussion. can you imagine how long dob’s articles would be if dob had to quote all the uhs, and you knows voiced by certain ballplayers? not naming any ballplayers mind you, just ruminationg.

and grinch, please remember that the blog has another female contributor with the addition of carroll rogers. gone is guy curtright and carroll rogers is here to restore integrity as back-up to dob (primary back-up only, with journalist jimmy smith in reserve). does that make jimmy smith a super-sub with tremendous upside? nah, journalist feels fine.

now, the ajc provides hip-hop’s best coverage but the ufortunate headline “ATL thief targets bling” was most unfortunate for a major newspaper. jimmy smith sees that the headline was changed overnight.

and now, journalist jimmy smith’s controversial post about having to put down a famous ballplayer … yes, it is in bad taste to talk of putting down a former all-star - but did not kentucky derby winner barbaro have to be put down with similar issues? and barbaro was a derby winner!

and this from rudy guiliani when discussing over-promising: “After beating the Cleveland Indians in the 1995 World Series, the Atlanta Braves engraved “Team of the 90’s” on their rings. That turned out to be their only championship win that decade.”
hmmm …

those little signs don’t count? oh, the humanity!

now, today is wednesday and who has seen the lineup for today’s game? is someone coming out of the gate today?

and the use of liniment in the clubhouse - and who wants to sit next to a ballplayer covered in liniment? of course, if that ballplayer doesn’t hang around … and what does the smell of liniment do to the popularity of hot wings? would overpowering smell of liniment deter sales?

long post from this journalist. must go rest.

By Arkansas Hillbilly

March 21, 2007 10:44 AM | Link to this

“I am so sick of snow…”

Don’t go all “Nicholson” on us now, Lew. It’s too close to Opening Day for you to slip into “The Shining” mode. Careful with that axe, Eugene.

By NO CHOP ZONE

March 21, 2007 10:48 AM | Link to this

So what is the Braves rotation going to be? Has it been set? Just wondering what we’ll be facing in 2007.

By Coach

March 21, 2007 10:58 AM | Link to this

Lew , if Cormier can do this in the regular season I’ll be happy to admit I was wrong. His success during this spring training has to do with the tutelage of Roger McDowell and the cut fastball he has learned to throw. Cormier has added the cut fastball and an improved curveball. I must say , his pitching is much improved so far. This is a good thing because Mark Redman scares the hell out of me.

By Booger

March 21, 2007 10:58 AM | Link to this

Snot what you say, s’what you do. If brains really pour from the nose could this be what is going on in the Braves’ dugout? Are we seeing an attempt to push Bobby’s brains back into the cavity?

Or possibly, is this what is meant, to pick one’s brain?

Never shake hands with Bobby Cox!

By Jake

March 21, 2007 11:14 AM | Link to this

Among other Jason Isbell Show Highlights:

The opening band, The Wynn Brothers, consisted of 3 siblings, their father, a friend, and Jerry Garcia incarnate. Tight, driving, anthemic southern rock.

Isbell’s rendition of “Jailbreak”, “Psycho killers”, and “Never Gonna Change” by DBT.

I also love the fact that Isbell and his band just looked like dudes that would’ve been in your high school shop class. No pretenses, just rock.

While there’s no substitute for a DBT show, this comes pretty close for a $10 show in Orlando…

JC

By David O'Brien

March 21, 2007 11:18 AM | Link to this

Grinch, laminitis is nasty stuff. And cost about $1,000 for the medication to cure it, at least until the generic brand comes out in a year or so. I’ll deal with horse hoof until then….

OK, NEW BLOG UP

By R. G.

March 21, 2007 4:21 PM | Link to this

I believe Willie Harris will make the team.

By jb

March 21, 2007 7:42 PM | Link to this

I really like the pitching this year. Hudson looks to returning to the form he showed in Oakland. Smoltz is Smoltz and James just takes the ball and throws quality pitches. With this years bullpen, they have a good chance to combine for over 50 wins this year. Between the other 2 starters and the scattered wins the relievers pick up, another 90+ win season should be on its way. I really think Escobar will benefit from the bats he will get in the minors, vs. the Braves bench. He could even get a little time at 2nd in the minors. If Chipper gets the DL time everyone is predicting, Escobar can be brought up to play 3rd, then stay on as a utility man once Chipper returns. With his power, Escobar could put up Cal Ripkin Jr. type numbers at the SS/3rd base position. His winter, spring, and age indicate he is coming into his own as a pro baseball player.