Braves

By KevinM.

March 16, 2007 1:26 PM | Link to this

Where is the rest of the bloggers ??? Let me guess they have a hobby and that is called work….a bunch of slackers and of course DOB nice job by the pool but where are the cocktail waitresses with the little umbrellas ???

By Tommy Boy

March 16, 2007 1:32 PM | Link to this

It seems like Salty’s stock continues to plummet … do you see the team moving this guy during the season if they can get solid pieces in return? Or will they wait till Andruw bolts in the offseason (I love the guy, but with payroll limitations JS has to think about the future) and try to get a nice major-league ready body in return?

I dunno. Just seems like the guy isn’t as bright a star as he once was.

By DonCoburleone

March 16, 2007 1:33 PM | Link to this

I really like this Redman signing. I can’t believe with the lack of starting pitching on most teams that somebody didn’t take a chance on him. Especially since he’s coming from the American League and one would expect his numbers to improve if he made a move to the NL. I mean, come on, the Mets would rather sign Jorge Sosa to a spot in the rotation than a guy coming off a 12 win season in the AL Central for a 100 loss team? The Pirates would rather have Shawn Chacon? The Twins would rather have Ramon Ortiz or Sidney Ponson? The Cubs would rather have Jason Marquis for 10 times the price? Just don’t get it, am I missing something here?

By Braveheart

March 16, 2007 1:52 PM | Link to this

Can everyone just appreciate that Betemit was a darn good, useful, and productive player when he was here? Such venom over a guy who helped this team a lot when he was here.

So, he is not going to be a superstar? oh well. Maybe now he will be humbled and accept being the really good utility player that he was. He has been through a tremendous humbling experience before and fought back. From Mr. Ballyhoo as a prospect to the disappointing prospect to the guy who only stuck around because he was out of options to the guy who played all positions on the infield as a backup and who essentially hit .290/.350/.450 in the playing time that he got (500 plate appearances).

For crying out loud, you don’t like Betemit as a person or as a player, then fine. You don’t think he is going to be a superstar, then fine, you’re right. You don’t think he is going to be a full time starter, then fine, maybe you are right. I will bet though that he may just end up being a decent starter some day. Just as he went through disappointment at the end of his minor league career and bounced back from a productive standpoint during his year and a half up here, maybe, just maybe he might struggle during the early part of his attempts to be a starter and he will snap back. The kid showed me some fortitude and character in being able to stick it to people who gave up on him before he got up here.

If you want to justify the trade, then go ahead and try to justify it. Just remember the good things he did here before you get all dismissive of him in favor of justifying the moves of John S. Baez was a stupid move. Aybar is not really any better than Betemit and he can’t play short, thus he is less useful to the team. Any money saved by trading Betemit for Aybar was squandered by signing Woodward who is less useful and productive than Betemit. I betcha Betemit ends up having a better overall and more productive and useful major league career than Escobar, Prado, Pena, and Woodward.

Who would you rather have as your utility men this year: Betemit/Prado or Woodward/Aybar or Aybar/Prado? We are going to get stuck with Woodward/Aybar even though that is the inferior combination of the three. Betemit/Prado would be more helpful than Aybar/Prado because Betemit could play short. Woodward/Aybar is not any cheaper than a Betemit/Prado combo would have been - so don’t give me the money line that has been fed by the organization.

Betemit’s gone. Fine. I can accept that. I’ll let it be though only if everyone else lets it be. Don’t be surprised if the Yankee are the ones who snatch away Betemit who is much better than Cairo. They’ll be glad to snatch up the Betemit “problem” off of the hands of the dodgers.

By Shaun

March 16, 2007 1:52 PM | Link to this

DonCoburleone,

Not saying I agree with this point of view or some of those other guys you mentioned are valued correctly by most teams, but I guess the thinking is Redman has really only had one season where he could have been more than a fourth or fifth starter. Those other guys, at some point or another, were/are/have been third or fourth starters at least. Or they are power pitchers.

I didn’t really give it much thought, but you make a great point—Redman pitched for a terrible team in the toughest division in baseball. He’s still probably not any more than a fifth or fourth-starter at best, but he should be a solid fifth starter that can give the Braves okay innings.

By James

March 16, 2007 2:11 PM | Link to this

salty’s stock continue to plummet? In the 7 at bats that he got in the big league camp, he hit 278 and a double. What do you expect when McCann is blocking his path (not that that’s a bad thing)

I agree with your analysis Don. I can’t believe some of the GMs think that signing a younger pitchers w/ higher “up-side” who have stunk most of his career (all of the guys you mentioned) rather than spend 1/10th the money on a solid vet.

By KC

March 16, 2007 2:12 PM | Link to this

Woogidy: “General question to all and to DOB, What is/are the improvement(s) that this team has to have if they are to win the World Series? I know its early, but I am curious to hear some thoughts.”

In answering this question, many will talk about young guys like Kelly Johnson and Scott Thorman performing well, and Chipper remaining reasonably healthy. While I think those things are important… I don’t think they are the real keys to getting the Braves back in the championship picture.

While keeping Chipper on the field is certainly important… he did miss over 50 games last season, and Atlanta was still the best offensive team in the league. And while Kelly Johnson is unproven, we’re not likely to get much if any offensive drop-off at 2B, given the sub-par season Giles had last year.

The only real difference between this year’s offense and last year’s NL best lineup, is the loss of Adam LaRoche in the order. That is significant. But as D.O’Brien mentioned in an earlier post… between Thorman and Craig Wilson (who may platoon at 1B with Thorman), the Braves are likely to replace muchnot all, but muchof the offense we got at 1B last year.

What I’m trying to say is that the offense will be just fine. I’m not saying there isn’t room for improvement, but the Braves are still going to finish in the top 3 or 4 in runs scored in the NL. The bullpen also figures to be one of the best, if not the best in baseball. So all that’s left is… STARTING PITCHING!

That’s the real key to any World Series aspirations the Braves may have this year.

First of all, we have to pray that the rotation isn’t decimated by injury as it was last season. The over-the-winter subtraction of our two most injury prone starters, John Thompson and Horacio Ramirez, helps our odds of remaining healthy.

John Smoltz could win a Cy Young this year… he’s still that good. Chuck James was excellent for us last season, and there’s no reason to think he won’t pick up where he left off. The bottom of the rotation should be fine. The Braves have 3 starters right now for two rotation slots: Lance Cormier, Mark Redman, and Kyle Davies. I personally don’t believe that Mike Hampton will be a factor in the division race, but he could be healthy in time to get 3-4 good months in prior to October… so he could be a big post-season factor.

But the greatest key to the success of this rotation, and therefore this team, is Tim Hudson. After a solid (not great, but solid) first season in Atlanta in 2005, he posted a career-worst ERA. He doesn’t have to put up Cy Young numbers as he did in Oakland. He just has to be solid. With this bullpen and offense, that’s all we need. If we get that from Huddy… the Braves will be in the post-season, and will have a pretty good chance of making some noise when they get there.

By Shaun

March 16, 2007 2:13 PM | Link to this

Braveheart,

I don’t think anyone here is trying to downplay Wilson Betemit’s skills.

Some of us are just sick of hearing about a minor trade that wasn’t bad for the Braves. But some fans think it is one of the worst trades in the history of the franchise.

Aybar is likely to become at least close to as valuable as Betemit.

Schuerholz took at chance that Baez would help the team and it didn’t work out. But he covered himself by getting a younger, cheaper utility guy.

No one is denying that Betemit is a fine player and helped the Braves.

You don’t just trade players, you trade players and their contracts. Betemit is due for arbitration soon and even if Aybar doesn’t turn out to be quite as good, they will get more value from him.

By Arkansas Hillbilly

March 16, 2007 2:17 PM | Link to this

Where were you 28 years ago today? On this day, 28 years ago, a little Hog-callin’, tomahawk-choppin’ Hillbilly was born in El Dorado, Arkansas. 10 fingers and 10 toes. A Razorback victory over USC would be a great way to cap off this day.

By James

March 16, 2007 2:18 PM | Link to this

Betemit = maybe > Ayabar = most likely end up as utility IF

Baez + Free Agency = supplement (33rd pick) + 2nd round (69th)

This trade is as close as you will get in MLB where draft picks were exchanged

Let’s not forget our last 1s and 2nd round picks. Pretty solid.

AND we got the 14th pick… wow can’t wait to see our draft in June and our farm system in 2 years

By Shaun

March 16, 2007 2:19 PM | Link to this

Braveheart,

It’s not a matter of Betemit/Prado or Woodward/Aybar or Aybar/Prado. It’s a matter of having Betemit and therefore possibly not having the financial flexibility to go after guys like Gonzalez or Soriano or other quality players in the near future.

By hoya

March 16, 2007 2:22 PM | Link to this

Will Carroll at Baseball Prospectus reports the following:

Aybar will start the season on the DL, and that Escobar will get a long look. http://baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=5983

By Shaun

March 16, 2007 2:23 PM | Link to this

Tommy Boy,

Actually Baseball America came out with their latest Top 100 prospect rankings a week or two ago and Salty is number 36 in the game. And the top catching prospect in the game. He had a solid second-half last season, from what I hear and should be healthy this season to show us what he can do to Double-A pitching.

Among scouts and GM’s I’m sure his stock is just fine. If anything, it could be rising.

By To each his own

March 16, 2007 2:27 PM | Link to this

Good stuff on the rotation and hopefully a rotation with good stuff. However, I don’t want no cigar ruining the taste of perfectly good watermelon. And I don’t want no watermelon ruining the taste of a perfectly good cigar. If neither are perfectly good, maybe it’d be OK to mix ‘em. But to each his own.

By DonCoburleone

March 16, 2007 2:27 PM | Link to this

And who really cares that much about Renteria’s backup? Renteria WILL play 150+ games next season, the guy is never injured. So we end up having to give 60AB’s to Woodward instead of Betemit, big deal! I still would say that hitting wise, I’d much rather have a get-on-base and don’t strikeout guy (Aybar) over a high strikeout, extra-base hit or nothing type hitter like Betemit (remember how we’ve already got Andruw, Francoeur, Thorman, and Langerhans who do that?) At the very worst, it was an even trade for the Braves.

By DonCoburleone

March 16, 2007 2:30 PM | Link to this

hoya, could you just copy the article and post it on here, can’t get to it through your link…

By Matt M.

March 16, 2007 2:34 PM | Link to this

Dont forget about Pena. What does everybody think they will do with him. My opinion, let Orr go to Richmond. Pena has as much upside and can run. The thing that worries me is the bench. We have alot of good young players who are gonna have to be moved or promoted this year and or playing in Atlanta. We used to be pitching strong in the minors, now its the infield.

By Kentavo

March 16, 2007 2:36 PM | Link to this

On paper, this team looks better than last year’s when you go spot by spot:

        2005         2006

Closer…..Reitsma……Wickman… Rotation…no Hampton…+Redman.. Bullpen…takeyourpick..Soriano/Gonzo..

2b………Giles……..Johnson… 1b……..LaRoche……Thorman/Wilson.. LF…….Langy/Diaz……same… Bench….Orr/Pratt….Woodward/Aybar

By James

March 16, 2007 2:42 PM | Link to this

DOB

What kind of players do you think Braves will draft w/ their top picks. Do you think they’ll be able to get an impact arm like Bailey, Hughes, Cain, or Verlander w/ their 14th pick?

By hoya

March 16, 2007 2:47 PM | Link to this

the article doesn’t say any more than that, really. Says that Escobar is being looked at b/c of his defense. Has a word about Wilson’s sore shoulder, but we knew about that. Credits a Braves “source.” That’s all. Really. I thought about pasting the whole thing, but it was one sentence worth of info, and I’m sensitive to copyright issues.

By Oddjob

March 16, 2007 2:48 PM | Link to this

I’ve done a short reveiw of past bravo squads with the thought of determining which of the non-series winners was best.My pick is the 98 team,they had a team era of 3.25 the best balance with some truly great starting pitching.Here are some stats to make my case.Starters - Maddux 2.22 era 251 ip 18-9 record Glavine 2.47 era 229 ip 20-6 Smoltz 2.90,167,17-3 Neagle 3.55,210,16-11 Millwood 4.08,174,17-8 the fifth starter would be no worse than a number two on most teams and the ace on many.In the pen Ligtenberg was the closer with a 2.71 and 30 sv plus Rocker 2.13 era and Seanez 2.75 era.Now a few of the rbi guys Galarraga 121, Chipper 107, Lopez 106, Andruw 90 and Klesco 70.This was also the year of the 114 win Yankees,this should have been one of the greatest matchups all time but somehow a mediocre SD team beat this team for the ages. the saddest words of tongue or pen are just these, what might have been.

By Seymour

March 16, 2007 2:48 PM | Link to this

DOB: I know it was just one outing, but Villarreal really seemed to struggle last night. If he doesn’t make the pen, who do you think has the best shot in his place?

By Shaun

March 16, 2007 2:49 PM | Link to this

Braveheart,

Okay, maybe most of us aren’t trying to criticize Betemit.

Most of us understand Betemit was good but is likely soon to be overvalued.

By chip

March 16, 2007 2:51 PM | Link to this

I keep hearing that Thorman and Johnson have the right side of the infield sewn up… but it’s Prado and Orr and Escobar and Wilson who are knocking the cover off the ball. (Escobar is leading the team in batting this spring and there’s talk of cutting him? We’re excited because that awesome Thorman-Johnson duo are both barely above the Mendoza line?) Hey, I know it’s early, but I’m more excited watching the young guys do well. And to make matters worse, it sure seems like Edgar is sssssslow this spring. (He’s batting .250.) You’re going to tell me that Bobby loves the veterans, but I don’t think you can call Kelly a veteran. How does this all shake out, Wise One?

By rlwhite

March 16, 2007 2:51 PM | Link to this

It seems to me that Davies’s appearance in a minor league game yesterday had less to do with Cormier leading for the spot and more to do with keeping the 2 5th starter candidates on the same schedule. All the starters get to go on a normal 5 man rotation this way, and there’s no staggering needed to get in synch at the end of camp. Maybe we’ll see Cormier pitch a minor league game next week?

I don’t see how Davies needs AAA experience now. He’s healed. He’s been in the majors for over a year. Sending him down now is more likely to hurt his confidence than help it.

Cormier looks better now, but Davies has the upside. The division run is over, and it’s time to let the kids get the MLB experience they need to grow rather than continue with a patchwork of bargain bin vets. 95% of pitchers have to take their lumps in the majors for a few years to become successful. Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz, and Avery all had those chances. Now it’s time for Davies, James, and Harrison to get theirs.

By Jim

March 16, 2007 2:51 PM | Link to this

I watched the game last night on YES and have these observations.

Very impressed with Cormier. He attacked the hitters and trusted his stuff. He only fell behind a couple of times and both times came back to get the hitter.

It was a good night for Kelly Johnson. He got a lot of chances and had to cover first on the (surprise) suicide squeeze. None of the chances were very difficult but it has to help his confidence to make all the plays he had to make in the game. There was one ball hit to his right, but he had a force a second and did not have to make the throw across his body. He was a little tentative on some of his throws, particularly the short throws. Prado only had on AB, but I liked KJ’s setup at the plate and eye much better than the swings from Prado.

The Yankee anouncers commented on how similar Escobar’s swing (on his base hit) is to Julio Franco’s. He’s not as extreme as Franco in wrapping the bat behind his head, but when they showed the replay on TV the rest of the swing and follow through looked very much like Julio.

Yates looked very good. He was throwing 94-95 and blew Giambi away with a high fastball.

Villareal looked terrible. He had no velocity and poor location and the ball seemed to have very little movement coming from his arm angle. I don’t think it is an open contest between him and Boyer for a roster spot, because I think the Braves want to give Boyer some time in Richmond to recover from his surgery, but if Boyer is healthy and in good form by the all-star break, a trade of Villareal could be wise.

Finally, I don’t want to sound like Robert, and I disagree with his assessment of Cox in general, but last night Joe Torre was managing to win the game, Cox was just managing to give everybody some practice time. Torre brought the lefty specialist in to pitch to one hitter (It was McCann-and it didn’t work out)— the best lefthanded hitter in the lineup, because that will be his role in the season. He also manufactured the winning run with a pair of bunts. If spring training is a time for players to work on their game, it should also be a time for managers to sharpen theirs as well. Spring training games don’t count, but winning can become habit forming.

By chip

March 16, 2007 2:53 PM | Link to this

Are they still trying to make Saltalmaccia a first baseman, Dave?

And why aren’t people talking about Langerhans as the eventual replacement for Andruw?

By Rodger

March 16, 2007 2:53 PM | Link to this

DC-the only problem with Aybar getting on base is he forgets where they are when running them An unusual case of a higher OBO not equalling avoiding outs?

By Jim Hertel

March 16, 2007 3:10 PM | Link to this

I really enjoy David’s reporting on the Braves, and I do hope he is right about the starting rotation. I’m sure the bullpen will be better. How could it be any worse?

Now, I have a question for David or anyone else that may have a good thought. Has anyone given any thought to a lefty/righty platoon for 1st, 2nd and left? Would this be too much moving around, or would it allow a bunch of good guys (who are not great) get playing time until someone standout? What about a Thorman/Wilson platoon at 1st; a Johnson/Prado platoon at 2nd, and a Langerhans/Diaz platoon in left?

By Shaun

March 16, 2007 3:11 PM | Link to this

James,

I wouldn’t even bother trying to figure out the major league draft like you do with the NFL or NBA draft. It’s totally different.

The Braves won’t know if they get a Bailey, Hughes, Cain or Verlander for a while down the road.

There are maybe three guys in history that have come in and made an impact the year or the year after they were drafted.

And when you’re talking pitchers, you’re going to have even more trouble figuring out which amateurs could make something of themselves in the majors.

Rob Neyer wrote an interesting piece about the draft on espn.com.

Through 2005, none of the 11 pitchers selected first overall won more than 161 games. None won 20 games in a season. None won a Cy Young. They’ve combined for only three All-Star appearances.

“Of those 18 pitchers [selected second overall], none is in the Hall of Fame yet. None has won 300 games, or 200, or 165. None has won a Cy Young Award, and only four have been named to an All-Star team (including Mark Mulder twice),” writes Neyer.

The odds are highly against even the most best of the best amateur pitchers.

By Rodger

March 16, 2007 3:14 PM | Link to this

Of course thats OBP. I guess OBO is On Base Outs?

By Lew

March 16, 2007 3:21 PM | Link to this

Braveheart-For once I have to agree with Shaun completely. The thing about Betemit is being tired of hearing so many with so many problems with the trade. It happened. It’s over. We’re not getting him back. Some need to learn to live with it (not you Dude, but you know there have been some very vocal bloggers on the subject). You’re right-he performed well while he was here, but he isn’t anymore. Say what you want about the trade. Your opinion is your opinion (again, that’s a very generic “you”). The fact remains-he’s gone and we need to move on. That’s all. No one is dissing the guy.

By KC

March 16, 2007 3:21 PM | Link to this

Well… DOB hasn’t answered my repeated inquiries as to what John Schuerholz might have cooking (he recently stated he was working on a few possibly deals). So I’m going to assume that DOB doesn’t want to answer that just yet… possibly because he wants to check with all his sources first.

Maybe he’ll have some juicy information in the next couple of days. =)

By Shaun

March 16, 2007 3:23 PM | Link to this

Jim,

All those insights are interesting but it’s one game…and a Spring Training game, no less. Sometimes you can’t tell much about a player by watching him for one month, much less one Spring Training game.

By David O'Brien

March 16, 2007 3:23 PM | Link to this

As I wrote in notebook yesterday (today’s paper), if Aybar misses more time it’s more likely he’ll open season on DL. Whether Prado or Escobar would get the job remains to be seen, since Prado is more versatile and has more experience and has hit nearly .300 at higher levels of minors. Neither has hit for power yet, but Escobar’s got the far superior potential. Tony Pena’s out of options, of course, but don’t know if that’s reason enough to keep him over the others….

Chip, the Braves have never tried to make Saltalamacchia a first baseman, and still aren’t planning to anytime soon. He’s done nothing more than take grounders at first base before a few games. That does not constitute “trying to make him a first baseman,” much less “still trying.”

He’s catching at Double-A Mississippi this year, trying to have a good season. I’ve asked both Cox and Schuerholz this spring about whether any plans have changed regarding keeping him at catcher, and both have said, without hesitation, no.

By Alan

March 16, 2007 3:23 PM | Link to this

DOB, I was in the stands at Dark Star Stadium last Saturday, and I nearly fell out of my seat when I heard Redman’s name announced as the Braves’ starting pitcher. Other fans around me also hadn’t yet heard about the signing, so there was a “buzz” in the air. I’d wondered all winter why no one had signed the guy, and when I learned how little he’s costing the Braves, I had to applaud the move. Then he proceeded to pitch very effectively against the Blue Jays - who, in fairness, did not exactly field their “A” team (no V. Wells, no F. Thomas). Nevertheless, Redman is a pro - the classic “crafty lefthander” - his demeanor and delivery remind me a lot of Chris Hammond. He’s a great addition to the rotation - with or without Hampton. I also agree with your assessment of Cormier, who followed Redman last Saturday and also pitched very well - and then was even better last night against the Yankees. He’s all but wrapped up the 5th spot unless he’s traded before Opening Day (which I very much doubt will happen). The Braves look to be pitching-rich right now, and I honestly think someone (Davies? Villareal?) will be traded, probably along with a utility infielder (just so it isn’t Escobar, who has “superstar” written all over him). We may as well start churning the Rocco Baldelli rumor grinder again, right?

By journalist jimmy smith

March 16, 2007 3:24 PM | Link to this

This little piggy went to market, This little piggy stayed at home, This little piggy had roast beef, This little piggy had none. And this little piggy went… “Wee wee wee” all the way home…

say, we start “this little piggy” at the customary big toe position and move toward the little piggy who stayed home - what if this piggy is overlapped or underlapped with the piggy that went to market? now, let’s say while moving along we can find no piggy to have roast beef, or that failing, we find a piggy for roast beef and there is no piggy to stay home … can you see why this season is in jeopardy?

good toe health is of primary importance to this team and especially so since there will be much toe-tapping at the plate.

let’s hope there are enough toes on this team to win a pennant. and, wouldn’t it be some fine investigative journalism if carroll rogers could tell us which piggy went, wee wee wee all the way home? or, perhaps the absence of such a piggy.

now, nicknames … uh, goose appears that it will not stick. dob persists in calling chipper, “hoss”. why is it a player who goes by a nickname already needs another nickname? does scooter libby become hoss, too?

never could toe the mark - waylon jennings. is dob familiar with this tune?

By DonCoburleone

March 16, 2007 3:26 PM | Link to this

Chip, you are putting waaaay to much stock in spring-training statistics. Remember last year in spring training James Jurries and Brian Jordan both hit well over .400? And where are they now? You have to give Johnson and Thorman at least 2 months during the regular season before you can start calling for their replacements… just relax…

By David O'Brien

March 16, 2007 3:26 PM | Link to this

Yes, if Langerhans keeps hitting like this, sure he’d be a logical replacement for Andruw. They thought he would be until having a poor offensive season in 2006. Still too early to tell if he’s turned the corner, but he’s playing well this spring, other than the strikeouts.

By michael

March 16, 2007 3:32 PM | Link to this

Your colleague Furman Bisher wrote in his blog/column:

On another boyish adventure, he was bitten by a copperhead, a nasty-tempered poisonous reptile. He was nowhere close to a hospital, and after an hour, he said, “I decided I wasn’t going to die, so I didn’t do anything.”

Since agkistrodon contortrix (copperhead) is an ambush predator with an extremely efficient venom delivery system, this sounds like a good nickname for the wily lefthander: Copperhead James.

By David O'Brien

March 16, 2007 3:33 PM | Link to this

KC, it’s no secret Schuerholz always talks to teams this time of year (like most teams do), and that he has a glut of middle infielders and some spare pitchers. So go from there. There’s a reason that specifics haven’t leaked _ because I haven’t heard any yet, just vague stuff like the Cubs are looking for a utility infielder, etc.

Most teams are going to want a more experienced guy for that role, but a lot of teams have called about Escobar, obviously as a potential every-day third baseman or shortstop in the future, maybe even now. Prado’s drawn interest, and there are teams that would be interested in Orr.

Don’t know that there’s much interest in the one guy they need to trade, however: out-of-options Pena.

By Shaun

March 16, 2007 3:36 PM | Link to this

Lew,

I would say the Braves come out great in the deal. They don’t have to worry about arbitration for a backup for a while, they get a player with better on-base skills and probably slightly more range on defense. Betemit has the edge in power and some aspects of fielding (glove work, maybe arm) but that’s about it.

It was a trade for backup infielders, as it turned out.

I actually had someone in a fantasy league I’m in try to convince me that “Betemit fit well with us and would cover 2 GAPPING HOLES this season for us. 2nd base and leadoff slot.”

It’s amazing to me that this trade is still being talked about as a terrible deal and the folks still think it’s so important to have a great leadoff hitter after last season.

By DonCoburleone

March 16, 2007 3:42 PM | Link to this

Been reading some Mets stuff today… I swear, I think they have Oliver Perez confused with Johan Santana. The way everyone in (and around) the team is just gushing over this guy is amazing to me. One of their like backup pitching coaches said that “he’s going into the season as our #3 starter, but he’s really our #2.” That is just awesome. Do they remember how he went 5-13 (i think) last year with an ERA close to 6? Unless he hooked up with Mota since he got there, do they really expect him to suddenly become the guy he was in 2004?

By Coach

March 16, 2007 3:43 PM | Link to this

If Smoltz pitches like he did last season, he will win the Cy Young. Jim , its spring training. Dude , it doesn’t count. There is a reason they call it spring T.R.A.I.N.I.N.G. , its not about winning or losing. It’s about getting a team ready for the season. Relax , chill and have a cold one :>)

By journalist jimmy smith

March 16, 2007 3:45 PM | Link to this

sure and it’s almost saint paddy’s day. and what will davey o’brien be doing all day tomorrah? will dob be drinking the green beer and eating the irish stew? corned beef and cabbage? a little soda bread? will the blog be green tomorrah? and what is the favorite irish pie? please don’t say potato. and what color caps will the braves be wearin’ tomorrah?

By Oddjob

March 16, 2007 3:47 PM | Link to this

I misquoted John Greenleaf Whttier above,the quote should read :of all sad words of tongue and pen the saddest are these it might have been: now the literary gods may rest.

By DonCoburleone

March 16, 2007 3:48 PM | Link to this

“Since agkistrodon contortrix (copperhead) is an ambush predator with an extremely efficient venom delivery system, this sounds like a good nickname for the wily lefthander: Copperhead James.”

BOOOOO! Horrible nickname… He’s either Chuck James B!!AATCH! or he can be simply called King James. Either would be accepted by me.

By Jim

March 16, 2007 3:55 PM | Link to this

Shaun, I’m not trying to read too much into one spring training game. I wanted to see how KJ looked at 2B and on a night that he got a lot of routine chances he looked serviceable. I’m not trying to say that in 500 ABs apiece KJ would hit for higher ave than Prado, but in their approach and their swings, KJ looks like he has more offensive potential.
Last night Cormier looked like a young Greg Maddux (which he’s not), but he was very aggressive in his approach and looked like he was pitching to win the 5th starter’s job, not pitching not to lose it. My impression of Villareal reinforced my impression from last year. He was the very definition of a “vulture” last year. He looked impressive against team USA in the WBC, but since then it has always been a time to worry when he comes in with a game on the line. His ball seems flat, and his velocity has never approached what he showed in the WBC.

It’s only spring training, but its snowing like heck outside and my viewing of the Braves is going to be strictly rationed by TW and TBS this year. I need to get my “fix” when I can!

By GM R

March 16, 2007 3:55 PM | Link to this

Just one comment on Hampton - before we get carried away with the prospect of him returning from injury - top scouts reckon that a fit Hampton is a 4th starter at best. It seems to me the Braves are better off having him out injured for the whole season so they get some insurance dollars.

By ElbravoX

March 16, 2007 3:58 PM | Link to this

If someone else mentions Betemit, I will bring Brad Kommisk, Rafael Ramirez, Bruce Bennedick. Pascual Perez, in other words, the frigging past. Let it go. Wohlers should have never thrown that breaking ball…Otis caught ball!…Sid scores… Braves win. All I say is KEEP TONY PENA!

By Rodger

March 16, 2007 3:58 PM | Link to this

John Hammond Jr. CD playing on the rental-house CD player

I really like this Albert Hammond Jr. album

Redman is a pro - the classic “crafty lefthander” - his demeanor and delivery remind me a lot of Chris Hammond.

Way too many Hammonds on this blog (tho I expect a couple may be one in the same…)

Why not throw in Ronnie Hammond, from ARS?

By michael

March 16, 2007 4:00 PM | Link to this

DonCoburleone

Maybe your right. The more I think about it the less I like the nickname I proposed. If someone called me copperhead I think I would consider a violent response.

By the way, DOB. what kind of baserunner is Kelly Johnson. I agree with you that he will hit and probably play a solid second base, but can he steal more than 10 bases?

By Oddjob

March 16, 2007 4:01 PM | Link to this

Why stop at king? if James ever wins 15 just call him GOD? enough with the deifying it,s a game! maybe Maddux can be called GOD-PLUS!!

By KC

March 16, 2007 4:01 PM | Link to this

DOB: THAT’S ALL YOU GOT??!!!

There’s no deal in the works for Dontrelle Willis and Miguel Cabrera? Let’s get someone in here with some real investigatory journalism skills!!!

Just kidding DOB. =)

By MGL

March 16, 2007 4:10 PM | Link to this

DOB - Any word on Davies and Woodward from the Minor game today?

By hawks r cursed for trading nique

March 16, 2007 4:11 PM | Link to this

I think Smoltz should pitch no more than 3 innings of any spring training game. I would love for the Braves to resign Javy Lopez….now a free agent and could come VERY cheep!! Man what a backup he would be!! common bobby cox make it happen!

By Jamie

March 16, 2007 4:11 PM | Link to this

DOB - What are the chances that Pena will clear waviers? The improvement he has made in the last two years you hate to give up on him yet. He is still a young man.

By N8

March 16, 2007 4:15 PM | Link to this

Shaun

Nice info on the Rob Neyer comments. I enjoy him.

I think my FAVORITE alltime “first round” pitching BUST, has to be Todd “I don’t wanna play for a perenniel losing organization, like the Braves” Van Poppel.

Nice “career choice” bonehead! LOL!

I think that guy we took instead of him with the overall #1 draft pick worked out just fine for us.

I like what the Braves do with their draft picks, when it comes to pitchers. That is, drafting high school kids, and teaching them how THE BRAVES want them to be taught, before some college coach gets a hold of them. Seems to make sense to me, if your looking to “mold” young talent.

Speaking of pitching busts. Hey Mets fans. Let how’d that “Next Big 3” (Pulsipher, Isringhausen, and Wagner) work out for you guys? I didn’t pay too close attention this year, but I don’t think I saw either of their names on the new HOF inductees list. LOL!

Sorry. I couldn’t resist.

By CASHMERE

March 16, 2007 4:22 PM | Link to this

can we trade andruw for tampa’s baldelli,adn gomes and just get sumpthn for his butt. PLEASE DONT RESIGN HIM!!!!!111

By Greg in TN

March 16, 2007 4:22 PM | Link to this

Afternoon fellow Braves bloggers…

Hey DOB, nothing like a good watermelon slice on a sunny afternoon.

Very interested in seeing Redman tonight through the magic of television. Here’s hoping he can pick up where he left off on Saturday. The Cardinal’s lineup tonight should be a pretty good upgrade over the Jay’s lineup he faced on Saturday and should give us a good feel for how he will do against NL hitting now that he’s back in the senior circuit.

A little concerned about Villareal only in terms of his location. I hope he can bounce back during his next outing and improve his accuracy.

I’ll check the voting for the All-Era team and put in my 0.02 shortly. Lots of deserving candidates and I want to make sure I put a lot of thought into that. One thing though, I would have hoped the AJC would have let us pick more than one pitcher and more than one outfielder. I understand that I can vote more than once, but to me, that kind of skews things a bit.

Won’t be much longer before we see the last warm-up toss get thrown down to second and we get down to a little spring training baseball.

By CASHMERE

March 16, 2007 4:24 PM | Link to this

LETS TRADE ANDRUM FOR BALDELLI AND GOMES

By Braves Blue

March 16, 2007 4:24 PM | Link to this

Jim- I made the exact same platooning suggestion in a blog yesterday…same positions, same players. Rebuttals received from other bloggers did not think Prado would make the Opening Day team as a reserve and that T. Pena (out of options) would probably have to restart his career elsewhere than Atlanta. Woodward and Aybar have been the projected infield reserves all spring, but both are expected to start the season on injured reserves list, and until today, neither had any spring AB’s. Escobar and Prado have been hot all spring, and both have the tools to play their respective positions well. Bobby apparently has some reluctance to bringing a youngster to the Bigs as a reserve, and likes his bench players to be veterans, whic h makes perfect sense. So Prado and T. Pena will likely be sent to Richmond or cut or traded, whichever applies to the player in question.

By N8

March 16, 2007 4:26 PM | Link to this

hawks r cursed for trading nique

You said:

” I would love for the Braves to resign Javy Lopez….now a free agent and could come VERY cheep!! Man what a backup he would be!! common bobby cox make it happen!”

You ARE kidding, right???

Javy Lopez 2006 stats:

.251 BA, with 8 HR & 35 RBI in 342 AB’s

Brayan Pena 2006 stats:

.268 BA, with 1 HR & 5 RBI in 41 AB’s

Which when “pro-rated” out to Javy’s stats comes out to around 5-6 HR’s and 30 RBI’s. Not to mention that Pena is 10 TIMES the defensive catcher that Javy would be, and EVER WAS for that matter.

I’d be less “worried” if we brought David Justice back out of retirement for a bench role than signing Javy, for ANY AMMOUNT OF MONEY, no matter how cheap it was.

I look at it this way. If the Rockies felt he couldn’t contribute in THAT BALLPARK, he’s gotta about be done in the majors. That being said, Javy was a pretty good hitter (not just the power) in his day. He (if he so chooses) wouldn’t be a bad choice to be a low-minor league hitting instructer for somebody. But, IMO, his playing days are about over.

By King Nick Saban

March 16, 2007 4:27 PM | Link to this

am i first? first post? yeah, i am a god at this too. bow to me, underlings, bow…

By CASHMERE

March 16, 2007 4:28 PM | Link to this

LETS TRADE ANDRUW FOR A CF AND LF AND MAYB EVEN A PITCHER

By Braves Blue

March 16, 2007 4:34 PM | Link to this

The Braves have an abundance of middle infield players. Not all teams have that kind of talent wealth. I think it would take a minor miracle of good fortune, with all the planets properly aligned in the solar system for Tony to clear waivers. Summary - it ain’t gonna happen.

By Coach

March 16, 2007 4:41 PM | Link to this

It’s not as important to have a fast leadoff hitter during the season. It’s very important to have one during the post season. Speed kills , if you don’t have it or use it in a nineteen game short season your likely to get killed by a team that has it and uses it to their advantage. See game four of the 2005 N.L. division series where we could not manufacture one freaking run during the last ten innings of that eighteen inning heartrending loss to the Astros. Furcal went 0 for 6 and hit .150 and this is a good example of having speed , not using it and again getting killed by a porous bullpen. Another example is the fifty-one one run games the Braves played in last season. 51 one run games 17 were wins and 34 were losses. Factor in a stolen base here or a sacrifice bunt there , a bunt for a hit , a hit and run and how many more games would the Braves have won ? We can’t blame it all on the bullpen or the pitching , although that was the main problem all season. Pitching , defense and timely hitting are more important , but a little speed can help in those tight late inning one run games.

By VaBravesfan

March 16, 2007 4:41 PM | Link to this

Haven’t heard a peep about or from Renteria. Everything OK on that front?

By Alan

March 16, 2007 4:42 PM | Link to this

Rodger, want more Hammonds? Isn’t Darrell Hammond on Saturday Night Live? And another Daryl (spelled differently) Hammond is a former outfielder (a few decent years with the Giants in the early ’90s as I recall). And Lydia Hammond was my Latin teacher in 9th grade. If more come to mind, I’ll let you know.

By Lew

March 16, 2007 4:46 PM | Link to this

And let us not forget the Hammond B-3 organs played by Greg Allman and Grace Potter. Totally appropriate for this blog. The snow just started here in Vermont. We’re due for 20 inches by tomorrow night. More fun and games. But I got MLB TV last night and new speakers for the computer today. Life could be much worse. Found out that XM will be carrying SEC sports from now on. I can finally get all the Bulldog games now. I wonder if they will have the Larry Munson feed? I sure hope so.

By Oddjob

March 16, 2007 4:46 PM | Link to this

Braves Blue The team has an abundance of middle infielders, the open question is can any of them play?

By rammerjammer

March 16, 2007 4:46 PM | Link to this

It is not that difficult to find good-field, no-hit utility infielders. Sure, someone may claim T. Pena on waivers, but it won’t be a big loss.

However, his departure will give all the Betemit freaks another marginal player to obsess over!

By Renegator

March 16, 2007 4:48 PM | Link to this

Don’t forget Hammond Drive in the ATL!

By Lew

March 16, 2007 4:56 PM | Link to this

Cashmere-On the offchance that you actually think Andruw can be traded and aren’t joking-Andruw is a 10-5 player (ten years in MLB and the last 5 with the same team). This gives him the right to veto any trade, which he and his agent have said they would do. Andruw isn’t going anywhere until he becomes a free agent. Sorry, that’s just the way it is.

By Lew

March 16, 2007 4:57 PM | Link to this

There is also Jeffrey Hammond-Hammond, Jethro Tull’s bass player on the Thick As A Brick album (several other Tull albums, too).

By Braves fan 202

March 16, 2007 5:02 PM | Link to this

I dont know how cool that turner field thing sounds. Dont get me wrong, i love turner. But going to watch a televised spring training game? Going for a post season or even regular season away game, hell ya! Thats a great idea but executed at the wrong time. Ne ways, DOB i know this is a broad quetion, but i just want your brief opinion on what october will look like, Actually, what is everybody’s opinion?

By Jim

March 16, 2007 5:14 PM | Link to this

Don’t forget Hammond cheese on rye!

By Mad Mike

March 16, 2007 5:17 PM | Link to this

Braves win the pennant.

By rammerjammer

March 16, 2007 5:18 PM | Link to this

I like hammond eggs for breakfast.

By Mad Mike

March 16, 2007 5:19 PM | Link to this

Hammond cheese is much better on sourdough Jim. But I suppose it’s one of those “to each, his own” kind of things.

By David O'Brien

March 16, 2007 5:35 PM | Link to this

Davies pitched five strong innings in the minor league game against the likes of Jurries, Blanco, etc. Gave up two hits including a homer by 21-year-old OF Jon Owings, or Jon Mark Owings, not sure what he goes by. Woodward had the only other hit.

Davies had 6 or 7 strikeouts, according to him, at least 5 according to Bobby. They didn’t keep official stats, but he walked none.

Woodward had a single in four at-bats and Bobby said he made a great play diving to his left and throwing a guy out at first (he played shortstop). He’ll rest tonight, then join Braves for tomorrow’s game and also get more at-bats in minor league games if he needs them. Sounds like he’s a go for opening day, barring any more setbacks.

Aybar took BP and infield, and Bobby said it’s day to day but not serious. When I asked if thinking DL at all with Aybar, he said, “No, no, no.”…

VaBravesFan, everything’s fine with REnteria. You haven’t heard anything because he’s in good shape, playing solid the way he usually does. Only hitting .250, but it can change so much in one game because so few at-bats by everyone this early. He’s 6-for-24 with three doubles, four walks, .375 OBP, played in 10 games.

By Lew

March 16, 2007 5:37 PM | Link to this

Mike-Grilled Hammond Cheese on Sourdough would be even better. Pachelbel liked it, too.

By David O'Brien

March 16, 2007 5:41 PM | Link to this

Sorry about that John/Albert Hammond mistake. Just noticed it. Was in a haste to write that this afternoon. No editing on the ol’ blog.

But the last John Hammond album is also excellent, the one produced by G. Love. And he’s a Jr., too, though he doesn’t use the Jr. most of the time.

But it’s the Albert Hammond Jr. CD I was listening to today. Very good.

By Summerteeth

March 16, 2007 5:44 PM | Link to this

DOB,

Really digging the new Son Volt. Methamphetamine is a one of those special songs…

By Ron Roberts

March 16, 2007 5:49 PM | Link to this

I was officially on the “Lance Cormier for Rotation” campaign at the end of the season in 2006, anyhow, so seeing him do well in the spring has been very enjoyable. I always sorta took the attitude with Hampton that, if he does anything positive, it’d be a plus for the team, and if he couldn’t pitch, we’d be alright, too. In essence, I came into this season expecting nothing major of Hampton, basically, but hopeful for more.

That being said, the development of Cormier’s confidence (5 strong against the Yanks has be good for his ego…) and adding Redman gives us what I think most fans would’e been hopeful for out of Hampton, wins and innings-wise, anyhow. So with Smoltz, James, Hudson, Cormier and Redman, we’re getting, production-wise, what we were hopeful for before Hampton went down, right?

Give us what we expect of Smoltz, what we got from James in ‘06, what we should be getting out of Hudson, and what we’re seeing of Cormier and Redman, and boy, doesn’t that bulked-up bullpen look even scarier to NL teams?

Then all we gotta do is sweat the right side of the infield’s shake-down and refurbishing, both in the field and at the plate, and figuring out if Langy’s gonna be that everyday left fielder who can actually produce at the plate, too.

By Mad Mike

March 16, 2007 5:52 PM | Link to this

Hey Lew. Grilled Hammond Cheese on Sourdough…of course. Delicious. (I need a pre-Happy Hour snack.) That Pachelbel guy really knows his Hammond.

And correct me if I’m wrong (I’m sure that won’t be a problem in here) but isn’t Renteria sort of notorious for being a slow starter? If that’s the case, last year with the Bravos was sort of an aberration as he started strong and tapered ever so slightly late in the season. Then those spring training numbers might be a pretty good forecast for May through mid-June.

By D Rock in Scotland

March 16, 2007 5:55 PM | Link to this

Go hawks, we should get past the first round this year I hope. I think the Hampton situation might have worked out best, they got Redman, and I don’t think it was realistic to expect too much from Hampy coming off major surgery. I wonder if he might pull a Smoltz and be a super-reliever in the second half this year. Worth considering.

On a music note, my wife and I saw an amazing show here in Aberdeen Scotland last week with Amy Rigby and Wreckless Eric. Don’t miss them if they come to a city near your. Check out their tunes, they are excellent across the board. Eric is like a cool Sting, without the pretension. He even hinted strongly that the police-man ripped off one of his tunes.

By Ricardo

March 16, 2007 6:08 PM | Link to this

Dave -

I saw a press release that Kerry Ligtenberg was let go by the Reds today. While I’m NOT suggesting we need him, what’s the deal with this guy? It seems like he’s always pitched pretty well (at least better than average), but has had a hard time keeping a regular job in any ‘pen. I know he’s had some injuries, but it never seemed like he got much of shot here or anywhere else. Just wondering….

By Salty

March 16, 2007 6:08 PM | Link to this

ArkaBilly OK…took license with your name. Happy Birthday…hope it’s a great one…with a win, too! Go Hogs!

Thanks, also, for reminding me the 70’s ended that long ago! That, I didn’t need…sheesh!!

By Daybed Wagmoe

March 16, 2007 6:09 PM | Link to this

DOB, is there anywhere on the web to look at spring training stats?

By Braveheart

March 16, 2007 6:09 PM | Link to this

Lew, you don’t need to take the bite out of anything you have to say for my sake. Trust me, at this point, you are beyond cool with me. Send my prayers to the Grinch.

I will leave the Betemit thing alone for now. The Betemit rant is never really about Betemit anyway. It’s always really about the cheapskate owners. Every player we lose, we are told to shut up and just accept it because of b.s. financial concerns. They spent over $100 mil 4 or 5 years ago. They were not going bankrupt back then. Too many are becoming way too accepting of these financial constraints. It’s maddening. It is not the economic reality - it’s selfish greed by owners looking to flip the team and who care nothing of the future welfare of the team. Put out the best mediocre product you can for the cheapest money you can that will keep the fans coming and making the owners money. It’s not the fault of john or bobby at all. they are doing their absolute best given the circumstances provided by their owners.

Does anyone really think we are going to win the World Series this year or next year? I think we will win the division but not the World Series - not when we are repeatedly left with fatal holes because of financial decisions and valuable hole fillers like Giles, Laroche, Betemit are sent packing.

If I call someone out to fill a ditch in my yard and he comes out and fills it up but in so doing creates another huge ditch in my yard, I am not going to say kudos. If he tells me that was the cheapest way to do it, I’m not going to say well, hey, bravo. I’m going to say I paid you to come over here and fill that f’ing ditch with landfill dirt you went out and bought to cover that hole. That’s what I paid you to do. I assumed when I was paying you that you would not go out and dig another ditch to fill the ditch I was paying you to fill. That’s how I feel as a fan who pays his hard earned money to go to games and to listen to and watch games on television, radio, and the internet. That money is to fill ditches and not to rearrange the chairs. That money paid to the landfiller is to make my house look better and that money spent by me that I worked hard for is to build World Series winners. that money is not spent to maintain the status quo of my house or my team just so that the ditch digger and the team owners can get rich.

The way these owners are imposing this budget, we are all but guaranteed that we have either a weak bench, bullpen, position player or two, 4th or 5th starter you will win enough that way but you will never win the 11 games that matter that way. when you keep justifying the garbage by saying financial this or financial that, you sound more like a fan of the Benjamin Franklins in the bank account of AOL/TW or LM and not a fan of the Braves of Atlanta. But whatever. I will leave it alone for now.

just know my repeated betemit rant is never about betemit per se - it is more of a rant about the owners we have that too many want to ignore and just swallow every piece of b.s. propaganda they throw out there as if it the truth when it is not.

To sin by silence when we should protest makes cowards out of men.

By Daybed Wagmoe

March 16, 2007 6:14 PM | Link to this

on music, i got frank black’s “teenager of the year” yesterday. great cd, especially track 2. any other favorites of his you’d recommend?

i also downloaded the new REM single, the “#9 dream” john lennon cover. great, great job the athens boys did.

By Micah

March 16, 2007 6:17 PM | Link to this

In honor of Patty Griffin’s birthday today (Old Towne Maine, 1964):

Forgiveness (Patty Griffin) We are swimming with the snakes At the bottom of the well So silent and peaceful in the darkness where we fell But we are not snakes and what’s more We never will be And if we stay swimming here forever we will Never be free

I heard them ringing the bells In heaven and hell They got a secret They’re getting ready to tell It’s falling from the sky Calling from the graves Open your eyes, boy, I think we are saved Open your eyes, boy, I think we are saved Let’s take a walk on the bridge Right over this mess Don’t need to tell me a thing, baby We’ve already confessed And I raised my voice to the air And we were blessed Everybody needs a little forgiveness Everybody needs a little forgiveness

We are calling for him tonight on this Thin phone line As usual we’re having ourselves one hell of a time And the planes keep flying right over our heads No matter how lond we shout “Hey, hey, hey !” And we keep waving and waving Our arms in the air But we’re all tired out

I heard somebody say Today’s the day A big old hurricaine Is blowing our way Knocking over the buildings Killing all the light Open your eyes, boy, we made it through the night Open your eyes, boy, we made it through the night Let’s take a walk on the bridge Right over this mess Don’t need to tell me a thing, baby We’ve already confessed And I raised my voice to the air And we were blessed Everybody needs a little forgiveness Everybody needs a little forgiveness

*Hope you don’t mind me pastin the tuneage….someone give me four balls on this one!!!

Go Braves!

By DonCoburleone

March 16, 2007 6:17 PM | Link to this

I love Langerhans, I really do, but he is just not a major-league quality hitter. His style is that of a power hitter(high strikeouts, upper-cut swing, not real selective) but he isn’t capable of hitting any more than 10-15 homers. He is waaaay to inconsistent to be a .300 hitter, and if he can’t hit 20-25 homers or hit .300 then there is no chance of him being anything more than a 4th outfielder/defensive replacement. Don’t mean to be a downer, but when I look at him as just a completely unbiased fan of baseball, that is what I see out of Langerhans…

Bottom line, if the Braves head into 2008 with Ryan Langerhans as their primary replacement for Andruw Jones I’m gonna jump off a bridge…

By Bob, journalist

March 16, 2007 6:22 PM | Link to this

Apologies to the AJC!

I have oft been critical of the suggestion that the AJC was doing all that it could to address our problems, but that they were under resourced … for the solutions seemed obvious, readily available and easy to effect.

The “Braves All ERA Team” selection module bespeaks my poor judgment.

Unbelievable!

By True Braves Fan

March 16, 2007 6:26 PM | Link to this

DAYBED…Go to MLB.com and click on stats in the horizontal toolbar at the top of the page for all ML players. If you want Braves only, instead of clicking on stats, look at top left and go to Braves site. Click on stats in the toolbar here. If you have problems let us know.

By woogidy

March 16, 2007 6:26 PM | Link to this

Lets let Andruw go, and sign Johann Santanna!

By journalist jimmy smith

March 16, 2007 6:28 PM | Link to this

forgive jimmy smith, but no mention of the hammond b-3 organ is complete without mention of the late, great, jimmy smith (not the journalist, the organist). musician jimmy smith was the genius of the hammond b-3.

now, don’t forget hammond cheese - kinda like gouda but different.

By No Chop Zone

March 16, 2007 6:35 PM | Link to this

By how many games will the Mets will win the division? It probably won’t be by double digits again though.

By Lew

March 16, 2007 6:47 PM | Link to this

Yes, Esteemed Journalist. Nor should we forget the great Booker T. He played a quite mean Hammond, himself. Now Pachelbel-Mad Mike, I don’t think he knew Hammonds very well, himself, but it is safe to say that quite a number of Hammonds have certainly known Pachelbel.

By DonCoburleone

March 16, 2007 6:49 PM | Link to this

Hey, No Chop Zone, read a few articles on your precious Mets today… You guys do realize that you traded with the Pirates for Oliver Perez last year and not with the Twins for Johan Santana right? Or does everyone that has anything to do with the Mets think Santana just changed his name to Oliver Perez? I don’t know, I’m confused, I thought Oliver Perez was the guy who went 3-13 last year with an ERA of over 6.5?

By DonCoburleone

March 16, 2007 6:55 PM | Link to this

No Chop Zone, is it Johan Santana?? If so, then who is the guy pitching for the Twins?

By No Chop Zone

March 16, 2007 6:58 PM | Link to this

Yes Donco, Perez had a poor 2006 but he stepped up in the playoffs and he’s a 25 yr old lefty that throws 95 mph. Too early to give up on the kid. He’s having a good spring. In fact he struck out Big Papi and Ramirez last nite twice each. If I’m correct he also pitched a game against your bravos last year and did very well and got the win.

By Carolina Lady

March 16, 2007 6:58 PM | Link to this

Adventures in Carolina -
Saw a shingle near the edge of the roof that looked a little loose and decided to drag the ladder out and have a closer look. Positioned the ladder, up I went, saw what it needed, down the ladder, got a couple of nails and a hammer, back up the ladder, tacked down the loose place, and started back down the ladder. Suddenly the ladder tipped THIS way, tossed me THAT way - and I missed everything on the way down - except the handle of a yard cart. Clipped me on the cheekbone right below my eye. So here I sit with an icepack on a shiner. sigh….. Toes are fine, thank you.
:-)

By eric the elder

March 16, 2007 7:03 PM | Link to this

Hammond B-3 = Moe Denham, hands down.

By Lew

March 16, 2007 7:05 PM | Link to this

Chop Zone-If he stepped up in the playoffs, then why weren’t the Mets in the Series? He didn’t step up THAT much. So let’s say he’s improved enough to triple his numbers. Then he goes say 9-7. That’s going to win the division for you, isn’t it? Your pitching staff has more holes in it than imported Swiss cheese. They’re not even good enough for Hammond Cheese.

By David O'Brien

March 16, 2007 7:10 PM | Link to this

THIS JUST IN: Chipper scratched from lineup tonight. No announcement yet on why. Pete Orr’s playing third.

Orr hadn’t played in past two games because of a swollen knee, but told me it was never sore. Just a bursa sac busted open or something nasty like that. Anyway, fine now. I’d guess Chipper is just something minor and they wanted to get Orr some ABs. Of course, we could just recklessly speculate that there’s a scout here from a team that wants to see Orr play third, and Braves accomodated.

Let’s go with that. He’s on the block.

Summerteeth, that is the best song on that Son Volt CD, and an instant classic. Great CD, don’t you think?

Gotta download that REM Lennon cover. Heard it was great.

By David O'Brien

March 16, 2007 7:12 PM | Link to this

By the way, more Cardinals fans here than Braves fans. Placed is packed including the left-field berm. When Pujols just hit two-out double, it was like we were in St. Louis. Or at least Jupiter.

By David O'Brien

March 16, 2007 7:12 PM | Link to this

Redman struck out Rolen with Pujols on second to end inning. Groundout and two Ks in the inning.

By DonCoburleone

March 16, 2007 7:18 PM | Link to this

I love how everyone is saying what a marvelous postseason he had last year… Uhh, not really. He got 1 win, but overall he pitched 11 2/3’s innings, gave up 13 hits, 3walks, 6 runs and only struck out 7. I guess you can consider that stepping up though, since his ERA in the postseason came out to 4.63 - waaaaay below his regular season ERA…

By kdbanks

March 16, 2007 7:21 PM | Link to this

OMG! I can’t believe their going to trade Pete Orr! Or maybe they’re trading Chipper, and just don’t want him to get hurt before the deal goes through. I bet we could get Mark Prior straight up for Chipper.

By David O'Brien

March 16, 2007 7:21 PM | Link to this

probably not what you all want to hear: CHIPPER SCRATCHED WITH A “SORE” RIGHT OBLIQUE.

Last year’s two DL stints were for strained left oblique.

No indication from Braves of when it happened. He was fine last night, might have done it in BP. I’ll let you know when hear anything.

By journalist jimmy smith

March 16, 2007 7:21 PM | Link to this

oh, the humanity! the humanity! carolina lady, baby seal is on loan to you for an unspecified amount of time. this journalist will place baby seal on the bus tonight. carolina lady must stay off ladders! as many will know, baby seal is quite handy and is especially good with small engine repair. shingles should be no problem for baby seal.

now, this strained oblique … not carolina lady - chipper. if the oblique is already strained then what does the season hold?

better keep these young infielders.

By DonCoburleone

March 16, 2007 7:21 PM | Link to this

“If I’m correct he also pitched a game against your bravos last year and did very well and got the win.”

Yeah, and he also pitched against the Braves last year and got SHELLED! How’s 5 1/3 innings pitched, 7 hits, 6 earned runs and 3 walks sound?

By Troy

March 16, 2007 7:22 PM | Link to this

Joe Simpson said chip had a strained oblique

By ElbravoX

March 16, 2007 7:23 PM | Link to this

Hoss has a strained oblique, oh boy.

By Justo

March 16, 2007 7:24 PM | Link to this

How Long do You think Chipper will be out with the strained Oblique DOB

By Troy

March 16, 2007 7:25 PM | Link to this

The cards should sign bernie williams their outfield is gonna be a mess to start the season

By Troy

March 16, 2007 7:25 PM | Link to this

The cards should sign bernie williams their outfield is gonna be a mess to start the season

By Troy

March 16, 2007 7:26 PM | Link to this

The cards should sign bernie williams their outfield is gonna be a mess

By Micah

March 16, 2007 7:29 PM | Link to this

If I am having to choose a lineup for my All-Hammond team, I am picking Booker T. Jones first and letting him back cleanup;)

Isn’t this the night Knight is supposed to be showing up in support of his Cards? Your first round boys did bow out yesterday, right? Watch for flying chairs!!!!!!!!!!

Go Braves!

By Greg in TN

March 16, 2007 7:31 PM | Link to this

Evening folks…

Nothing like another night at the ol ballpark.

Just saw a shot of a guy in what looks like a referee shirt in the Cardinals dugout. Talk about out of place.

Redman is through two at the Dark Star tonight. Nice strikeout of Adam Kennedy with runners aboard and then a tapper to KJ by Chris Carpenter to end the inning.

Francoeur, Thorman and Diaz to the plate for the boys in blue to begin the bottom of the second of a scoreless contest.

By No Chop Zone

March 16, 2007 7:35 PM | Link to this

I was wondering how long it would take Lew to chime in. This time last year the Mets rotation had a lot of holes too but did OK with 97 wins. As for Perez you still can’t give up yet on a 25 year old lefty who throws in the mid 90’s. He’s only one piece of the puzzle boys.

By Greg in TN

March 16, 2007 7:38 PM | Link to this

How about a Hammond-cheese in Hammond Indiana?

Joe Simpson alluded to this on the broadcast, but Thorman just looks like he’s pressing and not relaxing and letting the game come to him rather than the other way around. Got to give a tip of the cap to Chris Carpenter tonight, he’s pitching well.

Hope Hoss’ oblique isn’t any more serious than what it seems to be right now.

By Carolina Lady

March 16, 2007 7:38 PM | Link to this

jjs, baby seal will be most welcome! The pond is fully stocked so he will enjoy himself! :-)) Thank you for your kindness!

By David O'Brien

March 16, 2007 7:39 PM | Link to this

Absolutely no way to know how long Chipper will be out, or even if he’ll be out tomorrow, until we at least talk to Bobby or the Braves make an announcement. We didn’t know about it until the game started. He told a Braves official, “It bit me,” but this person was under the impression it didn’t seem serious. Chipper’s already left the stadium, so won’t talk to him tonight.

In the meantime, enjoy REM:

http://spinner.aol.com/rockhall/2007-induction-ceremony

By Renegator

March 16, 2007 7:39 PM | Link to this

So, will this strained oblique mean that Chipper starts the season on the DL?

By DonCoburleone

March 16, 2007 7:40 PM | Link to this

Chipper “China Doll” Jones…

By Alex

March 16, 2007 7:40 PM | Link to this

Oh boy… Kelly Johnson looks real comfortable at 2B. He just made a good play going to his right to get an out at first. What are yalls thoughts at KJ playing some good D?

By woogidy

March 16, 2007 7:41 PM | Link to this

I see the Braves may have gotten a deal with this Redman dude.

By Greg in TN

March 16, 2007 7:41 PM | Link to this

Solid job of pitching by Redman in the top of the third, got two off-speed pitches over on Pujols for strikes to get him in the hole early and then got him to ground out to end the inning.

By DonCoburleone

March 16, 2007 7:43 PM | Link to this

“He’s only one piece of the puzzle boys.”

Is Jorge Sosa another piece of that puzzle? I got it! It’s a puzzle of a big old pile of sh!t

By eric the elder

March 16, 2007 7:45 PM | Link to this

I got yanked around a little for commenting on what I see as not very much leadership from Chipper. Now we hear that his oblique is sore or something, and so he goes home. Isn’t this a time when he could give some help to younger hitters, like Thorman? To be a leader, one must have presence, and Chipper isn’t present.

By ElbravoX

March 16, 2007 7:46 PM | Link to this

It sure looks like that Canadian first baseman can strike out with one pitch.

By David O'Brien

March 16, 2007 7:47 PM | Link to this

Back-to-back doubles by Edgar and Orr to the right-field corner in third for first run, then a broken-bat Andruw single makes it 2-0.

By Greg in TN

March 16, 2007 7:50 PM | Link to this

Braves string together three two-out hits. Renteria doubles down the RF line, Orr rips a double past Pujols down the aforementioned RF line and AJ hits a shattered-bat single to score Pete Orr.

Braves 2-0 after three complete at the land of the Mouse.

This is the kind of stuff we need to see this year, more hits with two outs and runners on particularly. Right now, Redman is on cruise control, pitching a two-hitter.

By journalist jimmy smith

March 16, 2007 7:50 PM | Link to this

chipper has left the stadium? did jeff porter go with him? is there anything that can be done for a strained oblique?

By DonCoburleone

March 16, 2007 7:51 PM | Link to this

Redman tearing it up, 3IP, 4SO’s, 0ER’s… Looking at his hitting stats, and wow, talk about a downgrade in hitting from Mike Hampton… Redman has 59 strikeouts in career 129AB’s, OUCH! (not that it really matters too much, but still, a near 50% strikeout rate is pretty amazing).

By DonCoburleone

March 16, 2007 7:54 PM | Link to this

Orr’s a stud! Bench Chipper! WE WANT ORR! WE WANT ORR! WE WANT ORR!

By No Chop Zone

March 16, 2007 7:54 PM | Link to this

I don’t even know if Sosa will make the team yet. but if he does I trust managment had their reasons. Hey, not long ago he was part of your puzzle (13-3). I’m back then you liked that piece of the puzzle so don’t be a hypocrite.

By journalist jimmy smith

March 16, 2007 7:56 PM | Link to this

pete orr just ran into a camera! not to worry, pete orr will have a shiner much like carolina lady tomorrow. it is good that chipper did not run into that camera. can you say e-m-s?

By Braves fan 202

March 16, 2007 8:09 PM | Link to this

Man i cant believe chip is hurt. It is probably minor but i dont get how his body is so fragile. Sux that the cards have more fans at the game, we live right next to florida, w/e. Good hit frenchy just had. But have the braves been havin a good amount of fans at the games? If ne one has been there at all let me know

By Greg in TN

March 16, 2007 8:09 PM | Link to this

Looks like Redman was laboring a bit in the fourth. Missed a bit on several pitches during the inning and the Cards made him pay.

I do have to say that a game and a half into the television broadcasts with Boog Sciambi and Joe Simpson I like what these guys are doing. Boog’s play-by-play style is very smooth and Joe is the perfect fit doing color.

Frenchy doubles down the RF line to begin the bottom of the fourth.

By Oddjob

March 16, 2007 8:11 PM | Link to this

Who knows for sure but the oblique could well be another indirect result of Chippers feet.I have a background of reserch and development working on resin transfer molding for pipe fittings designed to carry liquid gases under high pressure without exploding and killing people.So I’m predisposed to look at things in an analytical way,that’s not to say I know there’s a connection, but I sure wouldn’t be surprised if there is.

By eric the elder

March 16, 2007 8:11 PM | Link to this

Can Langerhans play first base?

By Greg in TN

March 16, 2007 8:12 PM | Link to this

Nice, nice, nice job of hitting by Langerhans, poking a double down the LF line to score Frenchy and tying the game.

By Robert (Justice Is The Best)

March 16, 2007 8:13 PM | Link to this

No Chop Zone, most people here never trusted that 13-3 record of Sosa’s. If you want him, you can have him. Just remember how much you “trust management had their reasons” when he has one of his infamous meltdowns where he gives up more homeruns than third rate beer league softball pitcher or he begins to pout and ticks off Randolph and Minaya. Happy pitching!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By Braves fan 202

March 16, 2007 8:20 PM | Link to this

I have to say im frustrated with chip but im sick of him not getting support. Hes still are best bat and even if he was guarenteed to only play 100 games, id still pay him to play cuz i know he will produce in those games

By MEB

March 16, 2007 8:21 PM | Link to this

Carolina Lady… so you gonna start the year on the DL or play through the pain? Did you have that moment when time stands still and you tell yourself this is gonna hurt?

Franceour, Langy, McCann and Kelly Johnson look more than ready for the season to start. Thorman don’t look so good. I pray that them biting obliques will get on the bus with the Cardinals and leave town. Does anyone know anything about these biting obliques?

By Braves fan 202

March 16, 2007 8:22 PM | Link to this

Ok robert sort of a good point there, but dont say you dont trust management, they sure as hell know how to win

By Robert (Justice Is The Best)

March 16, 2007 8:28 PM | Link to this

Braves fan 202, are you talking about the Mets management? They had one good year so far. Not lets make them out to be Yankees just yet. Lets see how the Mets do this year. Lets see if they beat up on the NL as much this year with so many teams improved. Not that the NL is great but most teams have become better.

By Lew

March 16, 2007 8:32 PM | Link to this

ChopZone-Poor deluded Chop Zone. There’s just no way the Mets can repeat a 97 win season with that pitching staff. There’s just no way to spin it. Just because Perez can throw 97 MPH means nothing. Just go ask Jose Cappelan. Or Seth McClung of the DRays, who is a great kid and has been clocked at 102 (but I’d hate to see how fast a big Papi HR goes out against him, as quite a number have). Bobby Cox nailed it a couple of years ago when he said that a ML ballplayer could learn to time a jet airliner if you gave them a few days. It’s movement and the ability to control the fastball while being able to change speeds. It’s quite obvious that Perez hasn’t quite gotten the grasp of that concept. The Mets might have won big last year with a rag tag pitching staff, but lightning won’t strike twice. How many times do you think a pitcher like Steve Trachsel (or any of that bunch of misfits you picked up this winter), can pull off a 15 win season two years in a row while giving up damn near 6 runs a game? How about having it repeated by four pitchers. That, Dude, is what the Mets are looking for and it just ain’t gonna happen. Another thing that puzzles me about the Mets, is where is all of this money their fans keep telling us about? They sure didn’t spend it this winter. Not for pitching or anything else, for that matter. Are you really saving it for Johan Santana this winter? Carlos Zambrano? Metropolitan Man seems to think so. Lame. Moises Alou and Ruben Sierra. What improvements. Break out the rocking chairs. Here come the Mets.

By Salty

March 16, 2007 8:43 PM | Link to this

CL Glad you’re fine. I’m sure the ‘blog nation’ will go with whatever tale you really want to use in sporting the Tareyton look (dating myself, I know!). Be well!

By David O'Brien

March 16, 2007 8:47 PM | Link to this

Who was in that wanted to trade Wickman this afternoon because Braves had so many relievers?

Uh, Gonzalez has allowed two singles and a homer in this sixth inning. He gave up a two-run homer to a minor-league free agent, Edgar Gonzalez.

Yikes.

By Braves fan 202

March 16, 2007 8:48 PM | Link to this

Sorry robert i misunderstood

By N8......."It's ALL good!"

March 16, 2007 8:51 PM | Link to this

I realize it’s STILL spring training. But I sure hope that Thorman hits the daylights out of the ball, (which I think he will), or LaRoche has an off year (which I think he won’t). Because so far, Mike Gonzalez has me a little worried.

Unless he’s STILL just working on “loosening up” his arm, and not worried about location and results. If that’s the case…..IGNORE this post.

By Greg in TN

March 16, 2007 8:55 PM | Link to this

DOB Yeah, Soriano gave up a homer to Chris Duncan an inning before Gonzalez surrendering the homer to, uhhh, Gonzalez in the 6th.

Yadier Molina just tried to pick Willie Harris off of first and threw the ball into RF, and now Edgar just drew a walk, so the good guys are rallying.

By crimedogrules

March 16, 2007 9:00 PM | Link to this

DOB is Wilson going to be our starting 1B? Thorman isn’t looking very convincing. How many strikeouts does he have so far this spring?

By Robert (Justice Is The Best)

March 16, 2007 9:01 PM | Link to this

Is it time to begin worrying about Mike Gonzales? I say “no”. At least not yet. I honestly think his struggles have more to do with him being out since August of last season and that he is working out his pitches and getting a feel for things. All indications are that his stuff is terrific. It is his control that is the problem. That tells me his spring struggles have more to do with rust and his working his mechanics out………………..I hope!

By crimedogrules

March 16, 2007 9:03 PM | Link to this

Best bullpen in the NL?

I hope this is just nerves…

By Robert (Justice Is The Best)

March 16, 2007 9:05 PM | Link to this

(Sheepishly raising his hand) Um, DOB, that was me I believe. But, I didn’t want to trade Wickman. I simply asked if the Braves would consider it if the Red Sox gave them something worthwhile. DOB, are you concerned about Gonzales yet?

By Greg in TN

March 16, 2007 9:09 PM | Link to this

Robert (JITB),

I think it’s more of just working through getting back into action than anything. I don’t see anything wrong with his stuff, just a little problem at times with location IMO.

By parks

March 16, 2007 9:12 PM | Link to this

I seemed to remember Gonzo throwing mid to high 90’s in Pitt.. Am I Crazy?

By Oddjob

March 16, 2007 9:13 PM | Link to this

Thorman looks tight in the upper body at the plate to me.

By Yars

March 16, 2007 9:16 PM | Link to this

Kelly Johnson had a pretty good game. (1-3, 1 RBI, solid defense) tonight against the Cards. He seems to have won the 2B job. I, like some of you, have been following Kelly’s career since he was drafted. I have all the faith in him this season. He will get the job done. I get the feeling that Bobby is losing a tad of confidence in Thorman. To be honest with you, I’d rather have Craig Wilson start @ 1B instead of Thorman. I truly believe he is the better of the two. If Langerhans keeps hitting like he has, I think he will be the Braves opening day LF, not just because he plays better defense than Diaz. Too early to tell who will be the #5 starter between Cormier & Davies. Is Francoeur capable of hitting .300? Maybe his adjustments at the plate will make a difference. (That tap-toe thing) Chipper’s spring training injuries are a concern. Willy Aybar & Chris Woodward better be ready to go at any give time.

By Robert (Justice Is The Best)

March 16, 2007 9:16 PM | Link to this

Greg, htat is what I have gathered as well and I know DOB has said that a couple of times this spring.

By tvsportscaster

March 16, 2007 9:19 PM | Link to this

I wouldn’t worry too much about Gonzalez during spring training. He may just be working on some stuff. If he struggles come the regular season then I’ll start to worry.

By N8......."It's ALL good!"

March 16, 2007 9:23 PM | Link to this

Here’s the thing guys.

This IS what is going to happen when Redman pitches this year. He’s gonna go 4-6 innings, sometimes very effective, sometimes not. When he’s NOT effective, our bullpen is going to have to go 4-5 innings. Somtimes they will be up to the task, sometimes not.

The same may apply for Cormier. But make no mistake about it, while a deal, Redman SURELY isn’t gonna save the bullpen any headaches (or arm-aches, if you will).

But this is the kind of game that we should expect when Redman pitches……4-5, 5-4, 5-6, 6-8, 7-9, 8-6, 8-7, etc…..

My expectations of him is as follows:

150-175 IP, 4.00 - 5.50 ERA, and probably right around a 12-12 W/L record (give or take a couple in either column), nothing more, nothing less.

Now if we can get even a LITTLE more than that from Cormier/Davies (and/or Hampton when he returns), that will be fine.

The problem lies with Chuck James and Hudson (since we KNOW what we’re gonna get with Smoltz, provided he’s healthy). If Hudson and Chuck are anywhere near what Smoltz is as a starter, our bullpen can handle being “overused” when Cormier/Redman/Davies/Hampton can only get into the 6th inning every so often, IMO. But if EITHER of the other Top 3 starters have any issues (I’m still worried about Hudson), then this bullpen is going to be a VERY tired group by August, similar to last year’s unit.

By Carolina Lady

March 16, 2007 9:24 PM | Link to this

MEB, shoot no, I’m not going on the DL! Once I established that I was actually still alive, I came into the house, washed out the cut with some hydrogen peroxide and put a bandaid on it, cooked supper, cleaned up the kitchen after supper, got Mother dressed for bed and in bed, got a fresh cup of decaf and decided that some online time would go well with an ice pack! (Might be just a leeeetle stiff in the morning. I’m not 100% sure what an “oblique” is, but I think mine hurts!) :-))

Salty, thanks! Y’all have to help me come up with a good story. Falling off a ladder just isn’t glamorous enough! :-))

By Coach

March 16, 2007 9:39 PM | Link to this

Redman didn’t fool anybody the second time through the Cardinals lineup. Davies or Redman ? I’ll go with Davies.

By MEB

March 16, 2007 9:40 PM | Link to this

CL… you have the kind of spirit we need on the Braves! Hope it don’t hurt too bad tomorrow.

I do think I’ll call work on Monday and let them know I can’t come in due to a strained oblique. I’m sure they will understand. ;)

By Troy

March 16, 2007 9:46 PM | Link to this

Maybe the braves will be able to continue stockpiling the minor league pitching pool with a trade of a middle infielder before the start of the season

By Troy

March 16, 2007 9:49 PM | Link to this

DOB- If Bobby Cox does in fact hang it up after this season who do you think is in the mix to replace him? Is TP high on that list?

By N8......."It's ALL good!"

March 16, 2007 9:53 PM | Link to this

Coach

You said:

“Redman didn’t fool anybody the second time through the Cardinals lineup. Davies or Redman ? I’ll go with Davies.”

Problem with that is, that Davies doesn’t seem to fool big-league hitters the FIRST TIME through the order. LOL!

So unless you “enjoy a comeback”, I’m not sure he’s EVER gonna have a spot in the rotation. Davies may end up being a fine ML pitcher, I’m just afraid that that time will come, LONG after we’ve given up on him (see: Jason Schmidt)

Believe me though, I’m not sold on Redman being all that productive. The only thing he is, is “productve on the dollar”, meaning if we can “squeeze” 10-12 wins out of him at about $750,000.00, then that aint so bad (considering Hampton and Hudson’s salary).

Now you may be saying “why not go with Davies, then?”

My answer to that is, why pull a Kevin McGlinchy (or a Joey Devine) on him and ruin his confidence. The difference between “rebuilding” (similar to what the Braves were doing in the late 80’s with Smoltz, Avery and Glavine having their share of struggle), is that there were ZERO expectations for those teams. Learn on the job, was the theory. If this team had traded Smoltz last year, and Hudson in the offseason, then you go with young guys and see if they figure it out. But JS chose NOT to do that, so I’m not sure that this 25 man roster has the space for a “project” like Davies, IMO.

By woogidy

March 16, 2007 9:57 PM | Link to this

Worst Officiating ever in the Illinois - Va. Tech game. Last 2 minutes were terrible… Someone worthy of being in Philly on opening day will not be… Mike Gonzalez looked pretty bad… Chipper just got a two-year extension from the DL, at his current salary…He is more injury prone than “Fra-Giles” was… DOB, KU looked good tonite… Thorman needs to tie his shoes really tight so he won’t swing out of them… one more thing, Where was Bobby yelling, Hey Petey! Watch out for the camera!!!

By Troy

March 16, 2007 10:05 PM | Link to this

N8- I agree with you on Davies, I think the guy might turn into a decent ML pitcher down the road, what I don’t get is what people think is so bad about having him start the year at AAA. It’ll only do him good, give him the chance to further refine his skills, and if he’s lights out for 6-7 starts and cormier or redman struggle out of the gate, then you promote Davies and go from there.

By Troy

March 16, 2007 10:14 PM | Link to this

I don’t the exact stats for a NL league average 5th starter but it can’t be less than a 5.00 era, we’ll get that out of somebody

By journalist jimmy smith

March 16, 2007 10:14 PM | Link to this

and if chipper left the park, where did chipper go? mister toad’s wild ride has closed. maybe chipper is soaking in a hot tub. like bob. maybe he is doing uh, calisthenics - except chipper calls it something else. whatever, let us hope for a speedy recovery.

dob- “Uh, Gonzalez has allowed two singles and a homer in this sixth inning. He gave up a two-run homer to a minor-league free agent, Edgar Gonzalez.”

uh, gonzales, too? oh, the humanity! where are the smart ballplayers?

By MEB

March 16, 2007 10:20 PM | Link to this

Nice goal by the Thrashers! Zhitnik scores power play goal in OT.

woogidy… I have to agree the Illinois - Va. Tech game was some ugly basketball with very poor officiating.

Will we hear tonight on the status of Chipper’s injury? Inquiring minds want to know.

By jed

March 16, 2007 10:30 PM | Link to this

DOB: Here’s what I’m going to suggest, and feel free to not give it a moment’s consideration if you don’t want to: Unless and until Chipper goes on the DL this season or misses more than a couple games with an injury, why not just see if perhaps he can stay healthy and we can talk about something else in the interim?

couple days later: DOB: Absolutely no way to know how long Chipper will be out…

Ah! The sweet smell of irony. Go git ‘em, Hoss!

By Coach

March 16, 2007 10:43 PM | Link to this

Last season Redman gave up a career high of fourteen base runners per nine innings. Kansas City as a team went 13-16 in his 29 starts in 2006. 12 of his 29 starts could be called quality starts. 17 were not. 13-16/12-17 see the correlation ? N8 with Redman we are going to consistently get mediocrity. Davies at this point looks like he has more potential , but its feast or famine with him on the mound until he figures out how to throw strikes with more consistency. Redman can eat innings , he will also get lit up like a Christmas tree and give the bullpen plenty of innings when he starts.

By brian

March 16, 2007 10:47 PM | Link to this

woogidy the officiating was terrible from the beginning. An intentional foul on VT for simply getting legs tangled up (and after getting an intentional elbow in the face). I though VT was on the short end of bad officiating until the last few minutes then it was Illinois turn. Bad game. Worse officials.

Chipper’s health is starting to concern me though this is spring training. If anything like training camp for NFL, most veterans will come up with any excuse for more days off. If this were to continue during the year, I would sure love to have Escobar to come in and handle 3B for 15 day stretches!

By Greg in TN

March 16, 2007 11:07 PM | Link to this

Troy, I don’t think the world will end if Davies needs to start the season in Richmond. Actually, in the grand scheme of things, I think it may work out better for him to do that.

I’m glad we fought back and came out of this game with a sister-kissing tie tonight rather than a loss. It’s almost starting to look like pool play in Olympic hockey if we get another tie in the books.

Here’s what I liked about tonight’s game - Good nights at the plate tonight from Renteria, Orr, AJ and Pena. Really liked seeing Langerhans taking the ball into LF for his double in the 4th. Lots of two-base hits tonight. To me, I’m not seeing a lot of guys trying to pull the ball, there’s a lot of guys out there taking what the pitcher is giving them and serving the ball into the opposite field. Also liked the nights turned in by McBride, Chad Paronto, Colyer and Hodges.

What I didn’t like to see - Redman didn’t have a horrible night tonight, but didn’t look effective at times, however this is a much more formidable lineup than what he faced Saturday. Soriano and Gonzalez both gave up homers, but I’m not ready to begin worrying about either of them just yet. Chipper’s injury is a concern, only time will tell how healthy he will be this year.

By N8......."It's ALL good!"

March 16, 2007 11:27 PM | Link to this

Coach

You said this when explaining Redman’s mediocrity:

“Davies at this point looks like he has more potential….”

Well, if you’re gonna post Redman’s (mediocre - btw: I’m not arguing Redman’s mediocrity - in fact I stated the same thing earlier), you should post Davies’ numbers as well:

In 34 career starts, he has 11 quality starts (4 of which came in his FIRST FOUR STARTS - so he’s had 7 in his last 30 starts!!)

Kyle has a 10-13 career record with a 6.38 ERA (8.38 last year), the BRAVES have gone 15-19 when he starts.

For his career, Kyle has “allowed” 16.33 runners per 9 IP. Last year that number was 17.90 runners per 9 IP.

So, again……tell me HOW we’re better off with Kyle Davies vs. Mark Redman????? I’m not sure, it’s a “wash”. I really, really, REALLY believe that Kyle is the WORSE OPTION. At the very least, it’s a HUGE gamble, IMO.

Let the kid start at AAA, if he tears it up, and Redman struggles or is mediocre (as we BOTH think he’ll be), then bring Davies up and let him play. But if he get’s lit up at Richmond, then, what have we lost????

By Scott

March 16, 2007 11:27 PM | Link to this

Both Soriano and Gonzalez have proven what they can do over the las tseveral years. There is absolutely NO reason to worry about either. You don’t post a 2 ERA 3 to 5 years in a row when pitchign 50 plus innings and then lose your ability all of a sudden. Both will do just fine when the season starts and actual games are on the line.

I know it’s hard to use the big bull pen trio for bragging rights on message boards right now, but I’m sure all three will give us a very good back end this year.

By KC

March 16, 2007 11:44 PM | Link to this

DOB: Surely you’re not sounding the alarm on Mike Gonzalez yet. Yeah, everyone would like to have seen more at this point in the spring… but opening day is still 2-3 weeks away.

By Jared

March 16, 2007 11:46 PM | Link to this

I can not believe how many people panic over these games. Soriano, Gonzalez and Wickman may have surrended runs recently, but they’ll all be fine. Sheesh. The sky ain’t falling. Wickman and Gonzalez have had so many years of success. Carpenter, 2005 NL Cy Young award winner, gave up what? Four earned runs in four innings? Somehow I think he’ll make the starting rotation.

Why was Gonzalez pitching today anyways? I thought he was a different schedule, the same one Wickman is on.

Having six starters is nice.

By brian

March 16, 2007 11:50 PM | Link to this

what ever happened to Eric Campbell and where does he stand in the future infield of the Braves? I know he is years away from the big leagues, but with all the talk of Escobar, Lillebridge, and Andrus, I have not seen much about Campbell.

By Coach

March 16, 2007 11:58 PM | Link to this

N8 , when I said potential I was referring to Davies 39-20 2.91 ERA minor league record. I wouldn’t call 35 starts at the MLB level a career by any stretch of the imagination. You are seriously skewered in your opinion basically because you refuse to admit that Davies has more upside(potential) at this point than Redman. I for one refuse to accept mediocrity , even for a fifth starter. So , I’ll just come right out and say what nobody in the Braves camp will admit. Redman is a cannon fodder inning eating roll of the dice every fifth day , nothing more. I would rather gamble with Davies on the mound than put a career 64-76 4.65 ERA junk baller on the mound. Look at the minor league numbers of Davies(39-20 2.91 ERA) vs. Redman(39-46 4.49 ERA) and tell me Davies is the worst option.

By David O'Brien

March 17, 2007 12:00 AM | Link to this

Jared, Gonzalez isn’t on same “schedule” as Wickman. Gonzalez pitched today because he said it was time for him to go with just one day of rest, and he’ll build to back-to-back games with no rest soon.

He insisted afterward that this was a positive outing because his arm felt so good and he says he’s only one game away from being ready. Says mentally this is completely different for him, in spring training, that he lacks the edge he’ll have for regular season.

By David O'Brien

March 17, 2007 12:02 AM | Link to this

And no, KC, I’m not sounding any alarm on Mike Gonzalez. It’s still just spring training. However, I’d say if he has another couple of bad outings as we get closer to the bell, sure, I’d be a bit concerned.

By parks

March 17, 2007 12:10 AM | Link to this

DOB, was dreaming that gonzo was throwing 95? seriously, was I imagining this?

By David O'Brien

March 17, 2007 12:12 AM | Link to this

Jed, I think I missed the “irony” in your post. Not being a smarta** with you, but please explain the irony.

I think maybe you have the same definition for irony that Alanis Morrisette had in her song that cited several examples of supposed “irony” that weren’t irony at all.

The only irony was that her examples of irony weren’t ironic.

“It’s like rain on your wedding day” _ not irony

“It’s a free ride when you’ve already paid” _ still not irony

“It’s the good advice that you just didn’t take” _ wrong again, Alanis.

And then there’s Jed, who brings up something I wrote early this week:

“Unless and until Chipper goes on the DL this season or misses more than a couple games with an injury, why not just see if perhaps he can stay healthy and we can talk about something else in the interim?”

And follows with something I wrote in blog tonight:

“couple days later: DOB: Absolutely no way to know how long Chipper will be out�”

And concludes:

Ah! The sweet smell of irony. Go git �em, Hoss!

Ok, Alanis … er, Jed. We’ll pass it along to Hoss.

By Robert (Justice Is The Best)

March 17, 2007 12:16 AM | Link to this

DOB: Orr, Prado, and Escobar are making things quite difficult on Cox. These guys are playing their butts off while Aybar and Woodward stay on the “day to day” list. I believe Aybar can stand to miss more of spring training simply because he played winter ball, but Woodward is a different case. Here we are two weeks from opening day and this guy has not seen major league pitching yet while Escobar, Prado, and Orr are killing it. I like Woodward for his versatility but those other three guys look like they are getting the shaft to me!

By David O'Brien

March 17, 2007 12:34 AM | Link to this

Coach, who cares about their “upside” at this point? The Braves are trying to win now, and they went out and got Redman because they obviously didn’t feel like Davies and Cormier at back of the rotation gave them a good enough chance to do that.

No one doubts that Davies might be a 15-18 game winner someday, maybe even a 20-game winner. But at the same time, he hasn’t shown that he’s ready to do that now, and has, on the other hand, shown he’s fully capable of having things go awry and him getting shelled and throwing the bullpen into disarray by lasting only three innings or less.

With Redman, the track record says he’ll win 10-11 games and lose 10-11 games for a bad team, because he’s done it several times. On the other hand, with better run support and a better defense, like he’ll get with the Braves, maybe he’ll win 12-14 games. He probably has a better chance of doing that this year than Davies, or at least a lot less chance of things going off the tracks like they have with Davies each of the past two seasons for various reasons.

Davies’ career isn’t threatened by having to go to Richmond for a while, if that’s what happens. If it is threatened by such a move, then he doesn’t have what it takes mentally to succeed in the bigs anyway. And the Braves believe he does have what it takes, that toughness, which is why they wouldn’t be worried about sending him to Richmond.

By N8......."It's ALL good!"

March 17, 2007 1:53 AM | Link to this

Coach

You said:

“Look at the minor league numbers of Davies(39-20 2.91 ERA)”*

Davies was 21 when he made his ATLANTA debut.

Here are some “minor league numbers” of another “promising” prospect:

40-24 with a 3.35 ERA before making his ML-Debut

Who is it, you ask??

None other than Bruce Chen, who was “cooincidentally”, 21 years old when he made his ATLANTA debut.

Now, since Davies has made 28 STARTS for the Braves, let’s compare the two of them through their first 28 starts (JUST IN THEIR STARTS! No relief appearences factored in).

Kyle Davies: 9-11 with a 6.15 ERA

Bruce Chen: 13-6 with a 3.75 ERA

At this point, all Braves fans should PRAY that Davies can be half as effective as Chen has been as a big leaguer.

By Coach

March 17, 2007 2:33 AM | Link to this

DOB I care , thats for sure. My standards are probably higher when it comes to starters. N8 makes a compelling argument for Redman. However , if Hampton wasn’t injured he wouldn’t even be in a Braves uniform. Without the support of 4 to 5 runs a game Redman can’t keep a team in a game. He gave up 4 or more earned runs in fifteen of his twenty-nine starts last season. He received run support of 4.73 runs a game and was barely a .500 pitcher. Davies has been adequate so far this spring but Cormier has really been a pleasant surprise. Redman signed a minor league contract and at this point he is hardly a lock to be in the rotation. The guy throws in the high seventies to low eighties relying on his ability to throw his darting change up to both sides of the plate. We are halfway home and still have two spots in the rotation that are undecided. My money is on Davies , but we will just have to see how it all shakes out in the next two weeks. The spin coming out of the Braves camp……..I let it go in one ear and out the other and draw my own conclusions.

By Coach

March 17, 2007 2:45 AM | Link to this

N8 , now your getting desperate. Chen was never more than a spot starter/reliever and was never on anybody’s radar. He was an undrafted amateur free agent who took six years to break into the majors with the Braves and was traded after just two unremarkable seasons with the Braves. Davies is a 4th round pick , your comparing apples to oranges. It’s not even valid. I’ll give you a mulligan , try again. It’s past my bedtime , see you guys tomorrow.

By Trav

March 17, 2007 2:49 AM | Link to this

Coach

if Hampton wasn’t injured he wouldn’t even be in a Braves uniform

and if my aunt had nuts she would be my uncle…Davies will begin the season at AAA. He just hasnt shown that hes ready, like it or not

By Coach

March 17, 2007 3:09 AM | Link to this

Kyle Davies : 8 innings 2 earned runs 2.25 ERA , Hudson 10 innings 3 earned runs 2.70 ERA , James 9 innings 4 earned runs 4.00 ERA…. Well dang it. We should send them all to Richmond , lol. N8 , This is your last mulligan , try again.

By N8......."It's ALL good!"

March 17, 2007 3:46 AM | Link to this

Coach

“…Davies is a 4th round pick …”

Then to me, it looks like that was a poor draft pick.

Players drafted AFTER Kyle Davies was taken in the 4th round:

Ryan Howard (5th round)

Chad Tracy (7th)

Lance Cormier (10th, hmmmm)

“Chen was never more than a spot starter/reliever and was never on anybody’s radar.”

Funny, I seem to recall hearing/reading about Chen for 3 years in EVER prospect report before he came up. Not to mention the ONLY thing about Davies that shows up on “radar” is his VERY hittable pitches.

I’ll conceed that Davies is:

a) STILL very young

b) Has plenty of promise

c) Was injured most (if not ALL of last year)

if you will conceed that AFTER his first 4 starts (where Bobby protected him from having to go through the order a 3rd time in the 1st 3 - he didn’t pitch more than 5.1 innings in ANY of those 3), he HAS NOT shown any signs of being consistant or capable of adjusting - like Chuck James did after (during) his first 18 starts.

Davies belongs at AAA, until further notice. Spring training stats aside.

Good night.

Dan Uggla (11th)

By Summerteeth

March 17, 2007 7:08 AM | Link to this

Hoss doesn’t get benefit of the doubt

You see why? Oblique, foot, ankle, foot, oblique, foot, foot, ankle, oblique.

When it comes to us worrying about the regularity and severity of his injuries, Hoss won’t get the benefit of the doubt until be plays 154 games in one season.

It ain’t b*** if you ain’t playin’ Hoss!

By David O'Brien

March 17, 2007 7:28 AM | Link to this

Coach: “The spin coming out of the Braves camp……..I let it go in one ear and out the other and draw my own conclusions.”

Good for you.

Oh, and he signed a minor league contract because the 40-man roster was full, and in order to sign a major league contract the Braves would’ve needed to immediately waive someone to make a space.

But of course that’s just spin.

By David O'Brien

March 17, 2007 7:31 AM | Link to this

If it takes 154 games for him at this stage of his career to get your benefit of doubt, then I guess ol’ Hoss will just have to find a way to live without it.

Let me get this straight, though: If he were to play, say, 145 games this season and hit .300 with 30 homers and 100 RBIs, he’d still be nine games short of truly meeting the standard youv’e set for him?

Got it.

By David O'Brien

March 17, 2007 7:32 AM | Link to this

OK, off to work.

Damn, you folks sleep late.

By David O'Brien

March 17, 2007 7:34 AM | Link to this

(kidding, I should probably add, regarding that last post. you all will be waking up several hours before me in a couple of weeks, mercifully. this sked’s not doing it for me any longer this spring. enough.)

By jed

March 17, 2007 7:38 AM | Link to this

DOB—Well, first of all, thanks for reminding us how annoying Alanis Morrissette can be. Just when I thought she was finally gone for good…. Anyway, Jed aint dumb like Alanis. Jed knows irony. The irony here lies in the notion that you were saying, essentially, “Hey, give Chipper a break. Don’t assume the worst just because he sprained an ankle. And until he goes on the DL, dont let’s go all Chicken Little on Hoss.” (Yes, I wrote “Hoss” ironically there. Just having fun.) However, when I read that admonition, I paused because frankly I dont think it’s overly reactionary for braves fans to think ‘here we go again’ when Chipper gets hurt; and although what you were saying was reasonable enough, I also thought the bloggers’ more negative reactions were every bit as reasonable. More so, perhaps. The irony here is that within only 2 or 3 days after admonishing us to be more optimistic, you’ve got to come back and report that Chipper, sure enough, has injured himself again, and this time it’s the oblique, which is typically far worse than a slightly sprained ankle. Ergo, your admonishment followed by your subsequent injury report (ie, confirmation of our collective concerns about Chipper’s health) equates—indeed!— to “irony.” Further irony (and this of the knee-slappin’ variety) follows when we consider your “Hoss” appelation within said context. Irony here is that the nickname “Hoss”—an egregious name, in my opinion, which should have been laid to rest with the fictional Mr. Cartwright—conjures notions of great durability…a stand-up feller we can all count on to be there in the trenches every day (ie—Cal Ripken), and certainly not a player who’s spent the last two years perpetually injured. John Smoltz? He’s a Hoss-type. Mike Hampton? Not so much. Andruw? Way too cool to stomach such a nickname, but yes, he could be a “Hoss,” as he plays almost every game and has for several years now. But Chipper? Quite “un-Hoss-y” of late. Now, in pedantic conclusion, I say unto you that my reference to irony was spot-on, and far from the gooey-headed Alanis Morissette-isms you have, by proxy, accused me of. (And yes, I’m perfectly comfortable with ending a sentence in a preposition.) I will now gladly accept your apology. Good day, sir!

By jed

March 17, 2007 7:40 AM | Link to this

PS—No, I’m not saying it’s Hoss’s fault he gets hurt. And yes, I do hope that post made you laugh. All in good fun, friend.

By Metropolitan Man

March 17, 2007 8:13 AM | Link to this

Buenos Diaz brave bloggers. Man that Larryyyyyyyyy guy is starting to remind me of Samuel L. Jackson in that movie unbreakable. I understand you can defend Larrryyyyyyy for his past play DOB, but be realistic, anybody whose body breaks down that much after bragging on eating cheeseburgers all year should sit back and ask himself how much is in the tank? Our AARP METS are hurting, but 2-3 days rest and our old guys are ready to rock. Dont be a punk Larryyyyyyyyy, show up April 6-8 to play so you can get your due!!!!

By David O'Brien

March 17, 2007 8:48 AM | Link to this

Mine was in good fun, too, Jed. It’s all cool. And I’d be admonishing Hoss, too, if I were a passionate fan. Or rather, I’d be frustrated and worried that my team might be without him for a good part of the season again. I wouldn’t admonish him. Because I have blind loyalty to my Jayhawks, the only team I feel the way you folks _ or at least some of you _ feel about the Braves.

But I don’t know, maybe them being professionals, highly paid and all, changes that equation. Apparently so.

Anyway, I’ll bet Chipper, regardless of how many games he plays this year, is more productive _ RBIs, runs scored, etc. _ than all but one or two Braves. Period. No matter how many games he plays.

And Jed, no, even by your explanation, it’s still not irony. It’s bad timing and/or coincidence, not irony.

But here, I’ll let someone who goes by “The Language Guy” on a blog I found, I’ll let him explain. And just a REMINDER, THIS ISN’T ME TALKING (as you can probably tell from the better use of grammar):

Normally, as you will know from earlier blogs, I don’t get very excited about language changes that upset self-proclaimed “language purists” but there are certain things that get me worked up. One is the loss of the word “irony” and its adjectival form “ironic” due to the fact that half-educated people use this word in cases of coincidences. A baseball announcer might say of someone who made an error in the previous half inning and then, as the first batter up in the next half inning, hits a home run, “Isn’t it ironic that he hit his last home run immediately after committing an error.” There is nothing ironic about this. It is just an interesting coincidence.

I sympathize a bit with persons who do this since the concept of irony is not an easy one, as checking out the Webster on line dictionary entry will attest. Nevertheless, the people who don’t understand the idea could just quit using the word. How about saying “major coincidence” or “very interesting coincidence” and leave “irony” and “ironic” in the mouths of those who know how to use it. The problem, of course, as always, the people who don’t understand the concept, don’t know that they don’t understand it. But they do know that it is an intellectual’s word and they want to seem to be smart. Now that’s ironic.

By Summerteeth

March 17, 2007 9:29 AM | Link to this

The 154 was just a number thrown out there to make a point…of course I’ll take 145 games and the numbers you mentioned. I just think ol’ Hoss comes across a little curmudgeon-like when he talks about us being skeptical of his health.

By Lew

March 17, 2007 9:29 AM | Link to this

Jed-Maybe Hoss should just go commit ritual suicide and then the Braves can put Escobar at third-right? Whatever. It’s Spring, Dude and injuries that wouldn’t cause any time to be missed iduring the year are likely to sit a player down right now. Give it all a rest for crying out loud. Go Zen, Dude. It is what it is. Listen to the sound of the oblique healing. Metro Dude-If the Mets are hanging their hopes on an injured Chipper, I would advise thewm to go find pitching instead. Isn’t El Duque already hurting? Has Moises fallen off of his treadmill, yet? I think the cost of the Mets’ AARP premiums and arthritis medication are more than the Braves entire payroll. With all of your senior citizens, I guess you won’t need a curfew time, they’ll all be napping by the start of the 7th.

By Patrick

March 17, 2007 9:32 AM | Link to this

DOB,

Here’s a good question regarding Gonzalez that could quite some of the critics around here. He said that he’s not mentally ready in spring training…so that begs the question: What were his spring numbers last year for Pittsburg?

If he had a mediocre spring, then still had the season he did. Well, then everyone can stop worrying. Don’t you agree?

By james

March 17, 2007 9:34 AM | Link to this

I read an article on the braves website about Mcdowell changing Davies windup and it worked in has last appearance (he gave up no walks). I think everyone will be pleasently suprised by his next outing.

By Tom

March 17, 2007 9:37 AM | Link to this

My God. Isn’t that a conversation you’d hear at the bottom of a Georgia Tech “TickleFest”?

By Rodger

March 17, 2007 9:41 AM | Link to this

Metro man, thats kind of like your ace, Pedro.

DOB, I used to say the same thing about Alanis…but I still wanted to go to the movies with her!

By Roper

March 17, 2007 9:51 AM | Link to this

Thanks for the bit about irony. I must admit I never really put much thought into Morisette’s definition, and thus took it as correct, but thanks to this blog, about baseball, I have been enlightened yet again. This is a fun stand up bit about it:

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMQ8S2uHTlo]

By Lew

March 17, 2007 9:59 AM | Link to this

James-If he does well, do you think maybe Roger McDowell will get the credit? From what I’ve heard around here, he ain’t Leo. If he were, with all of the negativity over his hiring, wouldn’t that be ironic?

By Roper

March 17, 2007 10:00 AM | Link to this

rats… i knew i wasn’t gonna do that link thing right, please lemme try again:

irony

By Rodger

March 17, 2007 10:11 AM | Link to this

Thanks Roper, that was pretty funny. I hurt my side laughing.

DOB, any word on Hoss’ oblique?

(Does that count as irony?)

By Jeff R

March 17, 2007 10:38 AM | Link to this

Okay, so, beyond all the give and take over the word “irony,” how’s Chipper doing today? Hard to say with his sort of reoccurrant, nagging injury how many games he’ll play this season. Sure he’ll be productive, but let’s say he misses 30 games. Those games matter in terms of Ws or Ls. The aim is to have your A team on the field as much as possible. Is Escobar certain to be reassigned? Might Chipper being getting to the point where the word “platoon” isn’t so nasty? Seems much of Chipper’s physical problems stem from swinging a bat, but would a move to 1B (I know, he doesn’t want to change positions again) help in any way? He wouldn’t quite need the range of movement on the right side of the infield.

By Rodger

March 17, 2007 10:51 AM | Link to this

Jeff, I think more stretching, therefore more potential for “straining the oblique”, would take place at first. And DOB has already postulated on the additional footwork necessary at first, so I don’t think that move would help.

What we might consider is petitioning to move to the AL-Chipper (or Andruw) could DH, pitchers wouldnt have to swing the bat (saving Hampton-like injuries), and we wouldn’t consider bunting important. Plus, some of the inflated ERAs would look normal. Call Bud Selig immediately!

By Lew

March 17, 2007 10:56 AM | Link to this

JeffR-Think about it for a minute. It requires a greater range of motion to play first. How many times does a third baseman make a play and then have to reverse direction to tag the bag? At first, he would have to do it constantly. The change in direction would definitely place more stress on his toes. Wouldn’t it be ironic if Chipper played today?

By KC

March 17, 2007 10:59 AM | Link to this

also, on the top of Leo vs. McDowell… it occurs to me that if the Braves really thought Leo was so irreplacable, couldn’t they have found a 1/2 million to match Baltimore’s offer?

I think they could have. Don’t get me wrong, Leo’s an excellent pitching coach, and I think the Braves thought of him as such, but I also think they are very pleased with Roger McDowell.

By Lew

March 17, 2007 10:59 AM | Link to this

With all of this talk of inflated Braves’ ERTA’s-Is anyone aware that only a dozen pitchers in all of baseball gave up less than 4 runs a game last year? ERA’s were inflated everywhere. Look at Steve Trachsel. He had an ERA of almost 6 and still won 15 games. Too bad the Mets won’t be able to pull off that trick two years running. Too bad for them, that is.

By KC

March 17, 2007 11:02 AM | Link to this

Chipper’s going to miss time. Accept it. Get over it.

There’s still a good chance that we can get 130 games out of him this year which, if he hits anything like he did when he was in the lineup last year, would likely be enough for Chipper to hit 25-30 HR and drive in 90-100 runs.

Good enough for me.

By Gil in Mechanicsville

March 17, 2007 11:04 AM | Link to this

If this little piggy went to market, would that market be a Piggly Wiggly? And if he had roast beef, maybe he would be better off just getting pigs feet. My, the Braves sure are in a pickle with all the rib injuries. Maybe Hoss and Mike Hampton should just retire and open a BBQ joint. Only question is what style would they serve? Oh the humanity….

Have a good week fellow bloggers. The wife is dragging me off the Southern Caribbean for a week of much needed R&R from my retirement. Hey, I just follow orders around here, anyway. Please have the starting rotation settled by the time I get back. I am going to check out the Cricket matches on St. Lucia for a potential submarining relief specialist who can take out toenails with surgical precision.

By Braveheart

March 17, 2007 11:13 AM | Link to this

The Ironic Hoss will be back playing before you know it. Have no fear

By journalist jimmy smith

March 17, 2007 11:16 AM | Link to this

the braves once had a player who suffered a shoulder injury while waving a runner to the plate … know who that was?

and how many games did bob horner sit out to rest an oblique that no one knew bob horner had?

dob - which braves player suffered the first recorded oblique injury?

By Jeff R

March 17, 2007 11:19 AM | Link to this

Lew, Rodger…get it on Chipper moving to first. Thanks.

The red flag with Chipper is that spring training is barely a month old and he’s experiencing some ankle and oblique problems. Physical problems are hard to predict, that’s for sure, but Cox should spell Chipper at 3rd more than he’d want. The wear and tear of day in and day out play in the infield just ups the risk of injury for him. Hence, a platoon situation, even if Cox doesn’t use the word. Aybar is probably a good utility player. Escobar has the tools to be a very good strter. I’d opt for Escobar. He could also get playing time at SS.

By Lew

March 17, 2007 11:30 AM | Link to this

Esteemed Journalist-That would be Terry Harper, wouldn’t it?

By journalist jimmy smith

March 17, 2007 11:32 AM | Link to this

gil, enjoy the vacation! gil shows some potential as a journalist, by the way. journalist jimmy smith is also ready for some r&r. and now a journalistic opportunity - but it is only fair to offer this story to dob first since jimmy smith got his start on the braves.man-in-black.music.bbq.pie.blog. jimmy smith has been approached by a woman who calls herself “monique oblique” who claims to have bitten a ballplayer yesterday during a routine lunch of uh, cheeseburgers and shakes. is there a story here?

By Lew

March 17, 2007 11:34 AM | Link to this

JeffR-At this point in time, I’d probably be more in favor of Escobar over Aybar, but like with KJ at 2nd, I think Aybar would have to be a total waste before they will give Escobar his shot. I do kind of see their point about letting him play full time in the minors, though. He needs the experience of playing on a daily basis. Chipper will need to be replaced in a couple of years, anyway (I would imagine). He’ll quite possibly get his chance then, unless someone else in the organization impresses the brass.

By Metropolitan Man

March 17, 2007 11:40 AM | Link to this

You guys actually called me delusional. Larryyyyyyyyy brags about not working out in the offseason and downing cheeseburgers instead of his usual routine and it shows. Granted LEW, J. Franco, Valentine, and Alou were complaining about the 3 hour bus rides that ended with stiff necks and joints. 2-3 days later these same guys are back on the field contributing to the team that pays them. Chipper is fooling himself by not expecting you guys to be angry over his bad luck, lack of conditioning, or a body that just got old quicker than expected. Either way multiple years of the same crap should let you know its not Ironic or a Coincidence, just realize this scenario is like the franchise, the best is over and he is on the decline. The streak started with him and will end with him, now thats Ironic!!!!!

By journalist jimmy smith

March 17, 2007 11:46 AM | Link to this

lew correctly identified terry harper as the brave who injured terry harper’s self waving a runner home. for this, lew wins a portrait as soon as this journalist learns to draw portraits. now, what brave scalded his brave self while ironing a shirt? maybe a lot of people remember this one.

By Lew

March 17, 2007 11:53 AM | Link to this

Metro Dude-You are delusional if you think Chipper’s injuries are going to help the Mets (other than the fact that he owns them). Last year, in 44 less games, Chipper had the same number of HR’s, a higher Batting Average and just a handful less RBI’s than David Wright. If he has two stints on the 15 day DL, he will still play in 130+ games. It’s not as if we won’t have a third baseman when he’s out, either. Besides, MetroDude, and there’s just no way for you to spin it. Your pitching sucks. Your one year reign at the top of the division will end. You will go back to eating Braves dust, just like the 14 years prior to last season’s aberration. Oh, and BTW, the streak started four years before Chipper was in the everyday lineup.

By Rodger

March 17, 2007 11:57 AM | Link to this

MetroMan,

What may be ironic is your presumption the streak started with LarryHossChipper.

Did Terry Harper also sprain his lips yelling slide, slide, slide?

By KC

March 17, 2007 11:57 AM | Link to this

Metro Man: Actually, Chipper simply said he cut his workouts down from 2-3 hours a day to 45 minutes to an hour a day… since his bust-his-a$$ routine last year worked so well in preventing injury. He’s still in great shape.

I realize you’re just looking for something to spout off about, and it wasn’t a statement that deserved a serious response… but there you go.

Okay, bout to load the kids in the car and head off to the Turner Field open house. Happy blogging!

By TheSouthernJackAss

March 17, 2007 12:00 PM | Link to this

“madness, an ironic fate for such a clear thinker”

By No Chop Zone

March 17, 2007 12:04 PM | Link to this

Lew….Trachsels ERA was 4.97 why do you keep saying it was almost 6.00 ………If you’re going to be a Met hater be an informed Met hater.

By Metropolitan Man

March 17, 2007 12:06 PM | Link to this

Not 1 METS fan is expecting Larryyyyyyyyyy to help the METS. The METS are into helping themselves. Chipper in the decline putting up D. Wright numbers who is on the rise. I say is 2 more years Wright would be putting up what you call ” Chipper Numbers”, and Larryyyyyyyyy, well Larryyyyyyyyy will be putting up Todd Pratt numbers. I call this the changing of the guard and if you cant see that then you are truly a braves fan. Mets pitching is not even a concern, I like what we are getting so far from Perez, Maine, Pelfrey, Glavine, and Park. Bottom line you guys seem to have more questuions now then you did prior to preseason. See you guys next month.

By Lew

March 17, 2007 12:06 PM | Link to this

Metro Dude-One more thing about the Mets’ pitching. All of your fans keep telling us all about your “young guns”. No one has answered this question for me though. Why do you think they will be that great? When was the last bona fide pitching stud that came from the Mets’ farm system (and don’t count Scott Kazmir, he ain’t there-dumb move)? Was it really Tom Seaver, or do you want to consdier Ron Darling? For the life of me, I just can’t think of anyone in the past 20 years. Not anyone that actually stayed with the Mets for more than a cup of coffee. All of this pitching success and you think this new crop will break the mold? You are delusional. A nice guy, but delusional.

By brent

March 17, 2007 12:09 PM | Link to this

Go Kentucky!

By Metropolitan Man

March 17, 2007 12:10 PM | Link to this

Enjoy KC, maybe you can sign Larryyyyyyyyyy’s cast next month when the new excuse on why he is hurt arises. All gamers would hate this guy if was on there team. Atlanta is the only place where one of the highest paid players can sit back and relax while the manager coddles him instead of motivating him to get back to work.

By TheSouthernJackAss

March 17, 2007 12:10 PM | Link to this

Even more ironic is the fact that you “journalists” think that anyone outside of this blog ever reads your retarded crap—or much less gives a rat’s rectum about what you think!…

By Lew

March 17, 2007 12:27 PM | Link to this

ChopZone-I apologize. His ERA was ONLY 4.97. Gee, that’s something to write home about, isn’t it? Besides, he’s gone and you don’t have anyone THAT good to replace him.I repeat. Your pitching sucks.

By Metropolitan Man

March 17, 2007 12:30 PM | Link to this

Lew, as a fan I would love for every player we have to come out of the fam system but it just doenst happen with the combination of money, foolish spending, and overpaying for a guy with his best years behind him (Chipper for instance right now). All of that is things of the past for this club so looking at Pelfry, Hubner (Minors) Wright, Reyes and what we have on the fam now is just crazy. So this farm you want to see so much is in development now, and when done will make you wish you had even asked the question. So with a farm, smart spending and not much competition, the new Sherriff has arrived in the NEW, NYMETS!!!

By Lew

March 17, 2007 12:31 PM | Link to this

MetroDude-All I can say is that y’all must be pretty damned desperate if the best you can do is rag on us that Chipper get’s injured. No mention of the fact that two thirds of your outfield is suspect, at best and you have a real good AAA rotation (at least I THINK your rotation could beat minor league hitting). You lost three members of your excellent bullpen from a year ago and you’re counting on several kids from one of the most unproductive farm sysytems of the past 20 years, to supply you with quality pitching. And all you can do is tell us Chipper gets hurt too much. Dude, desperate and delusional definitely summ up the Mets’ fans this year. Eat dust.

By Braveheart

March 17, 2007 12:39 PM | Link to this

Atlanta is the only place where one of the highest paid players can sit back and relax while the manager coddles him instead of motivating him to get back to work.

Ummmmmmm…… is pedro pitching opening day?

Coddle that, my friend. And leave the Iron-ic Hoss alone. The Iron-ic Hoss will ride yet again. Have no fear.

By No Chop Zone

March 17, 2007 12:41 PM | Link to this

Last year Lew proclaimed the Mets pitching to suck too. You’ll have to excuse me if I don’t put too much value in his words this coming year. I choose to wait and see how the season plays out before I delare what the Mets pitching will be…..Sorry Ms Cleo, I mean Lew.

By David O'Brien

March 17, 2007 12:44 PM | Link to this

Francoeur got 16 of 16 picks right in the NCAA pool yesterday. But he has Winthrop going to the Elite Eight, and worst of all, he picked Kentucky to beat Kansas _ and then declined to take my bet on that game.

Oh, Chipper update: Out of lineup today, was in a foul mood and wouldn’t talk to us, left the ballpark before the game (not a big deal on that part, since he’s not expected to stay if not in lineup; Andruw didn’t even dress today, for instance).

Bobby said there’s no news, but that Chipper told him last night it wasn’t that bad. Bobby said he told Chipper last night he wouldn’t be in lineup at least for today.

Two other Braves people told me today that it wasn’t serious. I’d expect Chipper to be in the lineup by Wednesday (day after off day).

By Metropolitan Man

March 17, 2007 12:48 PM | Link to this

Lew, the blog is about Chipper getting hurt, sorry I stayed on topic but what would you like to talk about???? Lets talk about Wickamns horrible spring, Gonzalez poor spring. Lets talk about how you still wish you had J. Franco to help out at 1st. I’m sorry for sticking with the blog topic…

By Metropolitan Man

March 17, 2007 12:54 PM | Link to this

Pedro is on the way back, what about Hampton. Besides what major surgery is Chipster recovering from Braveheart???? There is a positive article updating Pedro weekly, instead of the “here we ago again” syndrome with Chipster and Hanging Hamton.

By TheSouthernJackAss

March 17, 2007 12:57 PM | Link to this

Actually the blog topic is about the rotation firming up, not about Chipper Jones—but it looks like Chipper needs the “firming up” more than does the rotation…

By Braveheart

March 17, 2007 1:00 PM | Link to this

Yeah, I don’t know about the rest of you but I know I have been crying since the day we let that 59 year old first baseman leave us for the only team that would give a 59 year old first baseman a two year contract. Love Julio, Metrosexual Man, but I ain’t still wishing he was here. Craig Wilson fills his spot just fine - platoon first baseman, backup outfielder, emergency catcher, DH in intraleague games and the World Series, younger and better than Franco - yeah, I ain’t crying that Julio is gone. Wilson has more utility and productivity for this team than your 59 year old first baseman. Still love ya though Julio and appreciate everything you did here.

By Metropolitan Man

March 17, 2007 1:04 PM | Link to this

I sit corrected SJA.

By David O'Brien

March 17, 2007 1:04 PM | Link to this

Woodward’s at second base and batting leadoff.

Don’t expect any strong throws from left field _ Craig Wilson is out there, sore shoulder be damned. Actually, I think his shoulder’s better, but Bobby told him not to worry about throwing guys out or even making strong throws. He just wants Wilson out there to track some fly balls because, as Cox said, it’s getting late in spring now and he’s got to get guys ready.

3-4 hitters are Thorman and Francoeur, and Prado is playing third and batting eighth. Corky Miller doing the catching.

By David O'Brien

March 17, 2007 1:07 PM | Link to this

Braves are wearing fairly heinous green hats with a big Disney Entertainment Sector (Wide World of Sports) logo on one side.

Place is packed, gorgeous sunny day with temp in upper 60s headed to low 70s. Feels like a college football Saturday, actually.

By Braveheart

March 17, 2007 1:13 PM | Link to this

the pedro stuff is positive now. wait until july when all you insufferable metrosexual fans are five games out of first and making unreasonable demands for pedro to be back in July, and pedro keeps telling you beisbol been berry, berry good to me pero no mas. Wait until his injury things starts to linger and linger and linger. you metrosexual fans will be about the most annoying crybabies around.

The Metrosexuals have the arrogance of the Yankees but all the prestige of the Devil Rays.

By TheSouthernJackAss

March 17, 2007 1:15 PM | Link to this

That’s quite alright Metropolitan Man—any discussion of most any topic would only serve to enrich the otherwise limited and narrow-minded thinking which is normally the preferred standard in these blogs…

By David O'Brien

March 17, 2007 1:23 PM | Link to this

ALMOST FORGOT THE NEWS OF THE DAY: Hampton threw on flat ground, working back to about 90 feet and showing no sign of the strained oblique.

This is waaay sooner than Braves thought he’d be ready. They thought he wouldn’t be ready to throw for four weeks, and here it is just 10 days since he got hurt.

This obviously means the two-month timetable could be moved up by a couple weeks, which would perhaps get him back in early May. But that’s barring any setbacks.

He said he felt great, no problems with the pulled muscle in his left side. Said in past few days he felt so good working out on elliptical machine that he tried his throwing motion (without a baseball) and felt no pain. Tried it with a weighted ball and felt no pain. So he asked if he could throw, and Roger went out today and watched him throw to Eddie Perez.

I watched him throw and was shocked. You could never tell he was hurt. Started by lobbing some balls, then started throwing harder and by the end he was putting something on his throws, though way less than actually pitching-type velocity.

Anyway, look for him to be back before the two-month window they initially announced.

Braves just got a run on a Scott Thorman triple and Jeff Francoeur single to tie it 1-1 in bottom of first against Braden Looper.

Smoltz gave up a double and single in top of inning, Spiezio drove in the run with a single.

By David O'Brien

March 17, 2007 1:25 PM | Link to this

Wilson just hit a two-run homer on first pitch. The dude can rake, and both his homers have been off right-handers, by the way.

By Metropolitan Man

March 17, 2007 1:26 PM | Link to this

Wow braveheart, what nerve did us Metropolitans hit. I will contiue to respect this blog and not get nasty like we use to here. Anyway you can clown Pedro and his accent all day but I know A Jones still calls Texas Pete Hot Sauce “Tehis Pee”, so go blog on that. Pedro is better than any combo of Chipper and whomever anyday.

By David O'Brien

March 17, 2007 1:27 PM | Link to this

Looper came in with a Grapefruit League-leading 0.82 ERA and has already given up four runs and four hits in the first inning, including Prado’s opposite-field double just now down the right-field line.

By TheSouthernJackAss

March 17, 2007 1:31 PM | Link to this

So Hampton is tossing the little ball sooner than expected?—guess that means that his next injury will occur even sooner than expected too…

By Oddjob

March 17, 2007 1:33 PM | Link to this

Is Albert Pujois the most complete hitter since Ted Williams?I’m leaving Barry:give me some juice:Bonds out of the conversation.Looking at Smoltz I have to ask if all players should be required by contract to maintain their bodies like the professionals they are paid to be.If a 40 year old can show up in shape and ready to go then these young guys should be able to.I saw Chipper doing an afternoon interview in LA last year,he had lunch and was asked about his diet he said he just ate what he pleased.Now I’m old enough to know the body responds better when it has the right fuel.I don’t know if a better diet would help Chipper avoid the nagging injuries but I do know he owes it to the team to do anything and everything he can to prepare and do his job.

By Bob, journalist

March 17, 2007 1:34 PM | Link to this

The problem, of course, as always, the people who don’t understand the concept, don’t know that they don’t understand it. But they do know that it is an intellectual’s word and they want to seem to be smart. Now that’s ironic … Well said, David O’B.

However, I would think that if one knew it was an intellectual’s word and wanted to seem to be smart, they’d use something else.

By Steve-O

March 17, 2007 1:37 PM | Link to this

Just as I made it content in my head to replace Mike Hampton with Mark Redman, I am starting to come around mentally with the fact that Willy Aybar or someone else will be starting at 3rd base atleast 50 times this year………

By Sir Stealth

March 17, 2007 1:41 PM | Link to this

As embarassed as I am to defend Alanis Morissette (not a fan) instead of posting something about the Braves (rabid fan), gotta say you’re wrong about the Ironic song. Song is called ironic because its ironic that none of the “ironic” stuff is actually ironic. Pretty sure at some pont she says “a little too ironic.” Again folks, sorry to have to actually post that.

DOB, really appreciate all the updates.

By TheSouthernJackAss

March 17, 2007 1:46 PM | Link to this

Bob,journalist—that quote that you just attributed to DOB was not made by DOB—DOB was merely repeating the original quote that was made by a blogger called “The Language Guy”…so give credit where credit is due…

By eric the elder

March 17, 2007 1:49 PM | Link to this

Oh, Chipper update: Out of lineup today, was in a foul mood and wouldn’t talk to us, left the ballpark before the game

Another day of strong team leadship from Chipper.

By David O'Brien

March 17, 2007 1:50 PM | Link to this

Just curious, SJA, do you ever say anything _ anything at all _ that’s not full of vitriol?

“If you hate a person, you hate something in him that is part of yourself. What isn’t part of ourselves doesn’t disturb us.” _ Hermann Hesse.

or maybe:

“Hatred is the coward’s revenge for being intimidated.” _ George Bernard Shaw

By Braveheart

March 17, 2007 1:51 PM | Link to this

metroman, liked that texas pete thing. made me laugh. alright, metro man, you’re right, i’ll stop being a juvenile now.

SJA is in the zone early today, really quick and concise with the zingers.

Topic for further discussion: Is Hoss a nickname which is ironic or paradoxical or is it neither or is it both? Hmmmmm……

By TheSouthernJackAss

March 17, 2007 1:54 PM | Link to this

Roger Clemens(45 years of age)>>>”I want my final legacy to be that I worked harder than any worker in the history of the world has ever worked,” Clemens said while doing one-armed pushups during a press conference. “I want people to think ‘Think how much I could accomplish with my life if I occasionally worked half as hard as the Rocket did every day of his career.’”

By TheSouthernJackAss

March 17, 2007 1:57 PM | Link to this

eric the elder—that’s why they call him “Hoss”…

By Epinephrine

March 17, 2007 2:02 PM | Link to this

Wow. Talk about an uplifting day on the blog. I think for Hampton, the most important thing is he gets back in time to get into some kind of rhythm before the All Star break. That is fantastic news. If he in fact is able to do that, our bullpen and starting depth will be a huge boost to this club.

And it sounds like this Chipper business is nonsense.

By Oddjob

March 17, 2007 2:02 PM | Link to this

Sir Stealth I’m not sure when irony changed meaning,I must have been taking a nap.Now here’s old school ironic,a couple fled Mobile Alabama to escape a hurricane (Iris I think it was) to the mountains just north of here (Black Mountain nc) Nobody was killed in Mobile but it brought biblical rain in the mountains which caused a massive mudslide that buried and killed them both,now that’s old school ironic.

By Braveheart

March 17, 2007 2:03 PM | Link to this

Sir Stealth, you should have started that post with “I just wanted you to know” and ended it up with “You Oughta Know”.

All this questioning of Chipper’s leadership as if he has “one hand in his pocket, while the other is giving a high five.”

Is Chipper or Hampton “The King of Pain”?

Is Hudson singing “That I Would be Good”?

Why are the Braves “Head Over Feet” about Kelly Johnson?

Why was Giles “Uninvited”?

The morning bloggers apply “Pressure Over Cappucino” to the Braves.

Okay, folks, I have now just turned in my man card. That was beyond queer.

By Chop Chop

March 17, 2007 2:06 PM | Link to this

At this stage of his career, ol’ Hoss is more Barbaro than Secretariat.

About that “irony” crap…I found this nugget in that repository of unquestionably accurate information, Wikipedia:

“In 2004, Morissette herself acknowledged that the song doesn’t live up to the definition, which is what makes it ironic.”

By Braveheart

March 17, 2007 2:07 PM | Link to this

SJA, tell Rocket, I often wonder how much I could have accomplished if I had pumped my body up with half the steroids of Clemens.

By Daybed Wagmoe

March 17, 2007 2:14 PM | Link to this

man, that’s great news about hampton. wouldn’t his rehab stint include several starts in AAA?

smoltz is looking good again today, despite a first-inning run. hit a bump in the 4th it seems, serving up a home run sandwiched between 2 warning-track fly ball outs. he’s still looking great, though.

By Oddjob

March 17, 2007 2:17 PM | Link to this

Good point on the ironic Miss Morissette Chop Chop.

By TheSouthernJackAss

March 17, 2007 2:18 PM | Link to this

Where’s the proof that Rocket did steroids—and where’s the proof that Chipper Jones didn’t?—it’s no where near approaching ironic that Chipper Jones started to fall apart around the same time MLB started cracking down on steroids use either, is it??…

By Bob, journalist

March 17, 2007 2:23 PM | Link to this

Honorable Southern, I agree that credit shold be given where credit is due … but folks won’t give me credit, it’s hard enough to get them to accept my cash.

Seriously, I did see the “THIS ISN’T ME TALKING (as you can probably tell from the better use of grammar):” … it was hard to miss!

My “Well said, David O’B” wasn’t wasn’t meant to suggest that David said it … but that his so citing was timely.

If truth must be told, I was actually musing on David’s not being a passionate Braves fan when I wrote it so I’m just pleased that the “intellectual - smart” reference wasn’t corrupted.

By Oddjob

March 17, 2007 2:26 PM | Link to this

Hermann Melville - damn that fish! Sienfeld - you mean mammal Melville - damn you Sienfeld!!

By David O'Brien

March 17, 2007 2:29 PM | Link to this

yes, he’d probably need four rehab starts, just to build up to five innings. but i’m guessing he could be back by the beginning of may, instead of the end of the month.

By TheSouthernJackAss

March 17, 2007 2:29 PM | Link to this

Well Bob, journalist—forgive my assumptive rush to judgement…

By Oddjob

March 17, 2007 2:38 PM | Link to this

Chop Chop This nugget on the wikipedia,the day Petrino was hired by thr birds I did a google on him within minutes of the news.Wikipedia had already updated the bio to include the hire.Even in todays info age I found this amazing.

By Bob, journalist

March 17, 2007 2:43 PM | Link to this

I’m guilty of the same thing … I thought you had left the building!

You didn’t expect me to admit to error … that would be ironic.

Actually, the “heads up” gave me pause but was appreciated … these days, I frequently have “hoof in mouth” so I double checked just to make sure I had read it correctly.

By Braveheart

March 17, 2007 2:47 PM | Link to this

does anyone on here really hate each other? how could you really hate someone you have never had the displeasure of meeting? if you truly hate something, then why do you continue you to be around them? very strange.

SJA, “Sweet Child O’Mine”, since we are evidently in lillith fair mode today, “If it makes you happy, then why are you so sad” that you belittle the bloggers by calling them “My Favorite Mistake” demonstrating the inability to be “Strong Enough” to be “Anything but Down” while perpetually forgetting that “The First Cut is the Deepest”. All we “wanna do is have some fun”. We get the feeling we “ain’t the only ones.” “Maybe something is wrong with you to make you act the way you do.” Now, go “Soak Up the Sun” and realize that “Everyday is a Winding Road” because we have a feeling “A Change Would Do You Good”. Do you get “The Picture” Sheryl Crow, errrr, SJA?

The more you say you hate DOB, the more I think you are singing this to DOB: “I thought about you for a long time; Can’t seem to get you off my mind; I can’t understand why we’re living life this way; I found your picture today; I swear I’ll change my ways; I just called to say I want you to come back home; I found your picture today; I swear I’ll change my ways; I just called to say I want you to come back home; I just called to say I love you, come back home.

When you say you hate him, is that what you are really trying to sing to him? Do you want DOB to sing that song with you a la Kid Rock? Maybe that’s why DOB won’t put his picture up on the website. He’s heard you sing that tune too often that he has become frightened.

He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you

:-)

By Braveheart

March 17, 2007 2:56 PM | Link to this

And, BTW, you ain’t no “Steve McQueen” either!

By Oddjob

March 17, 2007 2:57 PM | Link to this

:and you become a monster so the monster will not break you: - u2 ‘peace on earth’ from the all that you can’t leave behind cd

By Micah

March 17, 2007 3:06 PM | Link to this

Just got back from the “open house” at Turner Field. I was happy to see the Braves leading although it was really too cold to be sitting in the seats and watching to the megascreen. Took my little daughter on the dugout/locker room tour and, basically, got to live out what it was like to be in DOB’s shoes for a couple of minutes. Quite interesting to say the very least! Along the way I was treated to some basic Braves trivia and one thing got me wondering…..if every stadium/team retired No. 42 a couple years back except for the Yankees (b/c Mariano still wears the number), then what happens after Mariano retires? Of course, I would imagine they would retire his number but, then, is NYY going to remain the only team not to respect Mr. Robinson?

Anyway, again it was quite frozen on the Turner Tundra but there was a decent turnout. Everyone in the organization really turned on the charm. Loved being able to walk through the museum without it being so hectic. The band’s drums were thumpin and I didn’t get to see any of the Braves Tomahawk Team….maybe they cancelled due to the cold?

So, thanks for the heads up on the blog here folks. Have a great Patty’s Day!

Go Braves!

By Oddjob

March 17, 2007 3:08 PM | Link to this

shoot em in the back now!!!! da Ramones

By Micah

March 17, 2007 3:13 PM | Link to this

By Micah

March 17, 2007 3:17 PM | Link to this

Sorry folks. Last second three and score tie (Ohio State/Xavier)..goin to OT!!!!

By David O'Brien

March 17, 2007 3:19 PM | Link to this

You’re obviously a bad guy, but I don’t hate you. As was pointed out, how in the hell can you hate someone you haven’t even met, someone you haven’t even seen a picture of? I mean, we know you’re, what, 6-11 and 350 pounds? Other than that, and the fact that you’re extremely caustic and bitter, I know nothing about you. And will be quite pleased to keep it that way, thank you very much.

And if you really do hate me, then you probably should get off the blog that I write, don’t you think? Or are you really that much of a masochist? Anyway, hey, sorry you hate me, sir. Actually, I don’t care.

As somone once said: One man, one page hit.

By Robert (Justice Is The Best)

March 17, 2007 3:20 PM | Link to this

No, Micah! Ohio St. hit a three at the end of the game to send it to overtime.

By Lew

March 17, 2007 3:27 PM | Link to this

ChopZone-How typical of you. When you can’t dispute with facts and figures, you resort to personal attacks. Shows the lack of emotional development so prevalent in many Mets’ fans. I’ve heard it so often over the past two years that I really don’t know why it surprises me. You’re absolutely right Chop Zone, I did say that the Mets’ pitching sucked last year. It did. No doubt about it. However, you were lucky enough to have the hitting make up for the lack of decent pitching. But, it’s like I’ve said before. Things have changed and lightning isn’t prone to strike twice. You’ve lost Cliff Floyd, who I believe to be a much better hitter than Moises (younger, too, but injured just as often). You still have no decent second baseman and your right fielder saw his best years quite a few ago (and you talk about Chipper, Metro Dude). You lost three members of your quite excellent bullpen of last year. You haven’t adequately replaced them. Your number two starter is already hurt. You lost Trachsel’s 15 wins and Pedro’s 9 wins. You’ve replaced those 24 wins with what? Chan Ho Park, Jorge Sosa and a bunch of no name rookies and has beens? You keep talking about getting Pedro back. Good luck with that. You don’t know when it will be and how good he may come back, or how long it might take him to be good when he does. You know no more about him then we do of Hampton. All of this with the Braves shortcomings at releiver (which was the only reason you beat us out last year-even with a hurt Larry) having been addressed and the Phillies with an improved staff. You then have the nerve to come on a Braves’ site and give Braves’ fans personal grief when they defend their team? I think some personal evaluation is in line for you, Chop Zone. You are seriously flawed. Not only are you delusional, you’re a jerk.

By Micah

March 17, 2007 3:29 PM | Link to this

Ohio State is dominating OT, up by seven with 30 seconds left….March Madness at its finest!

By Oddjob

March 17, 2007 3:29 PM | Link to this

DOB I must report my former opinion of Langerlans was based on past levels of play.Today he looked like a top o’the line center fielder.

By Lew

March 17, 2007 3:37 PM | Link to this

SJA-You’re 1:15 post is a great example of an ironic statement. Don’t you think?

By Lew

March 17, 2007 3:40 PM | Link to this

MetroDude-Pedro is better than Chipper at what? Staying on the DL? He sure can’t hit better and he sure ain’t pitching right now.

By Bob, journalist

March 17, 2007 3:41 PM | Link to this

William Wallace, very strange indeed!

I was taught that hate is something so intense that the only ones you can hate are those you love.

Of course I grew up hating boiled okra while loving it fried … and I really hate standing in line or waiting 5 for my comments to be posted!

Does anyone on here really hate each other? We know that some bloggers have multiple identities so it’s quite possible that some have multiple personalities that don’t like each other.

How could you really hate someone you have never had the displeasure of meeting?

Things like that puzzle me too … like when strangers tell me “a tie is like kissing your sister” … how do they know unless they’ve met my sister.

If you truly hate something, then why do you continue you to be around them?

I hate it when the Braves lose … though I don’t know why I pick on it since I’ve never met him.

I guess that’s better than hating the players for losing … better it than them.

Defense mechanisms are interesting too … when people get defensive, they can become most offensive.

By Coach

March 17, 2007 3:42 PM | Link to this

Want a smile ? Go check out the box score of the Mets game and look at the pitching line on Chan Ho Park/George Sosa. I’m grinning ear to ear.

By Oddjob

March 17, 2007 3:42 PM | Link to this

here’s to those who wish us well and all the rest can go to ** (the redneck serenity prayer)

By Oddjob

March 17, 2007 3:50 PM | Link to this

Am I missing something? What’s with the Jorge Sosa bashing?

By Coach

March 17, 2007 3:55 PM | Link to this

What an IRONIC sight. Check out the two starting pitchers for the Rangers/Mariners game today.

By ElbravoX

March 17, 2007 3:59 PM | Link to this

With the obliques and bullpen implosion, I would say we are in mid-season form.

By Coach

March 17, 2007 4:03 PM | Link to this

Better yet , Go look at both box scores for the Mets split squad games. That will really put a smile on the face of a Braves fan.

By Coach

March 17, 2007 4:07 PM | Link to this

Yep , Jonathan Johnson just bought and paid for his ticket to Richmond.

By Lew

March 17, 2007 4:18 PM | Link to this

SJA-Again you fail to see the irony. When he speaks of page hits, he’s talking about each response from each blogger. The more page hits, the more advertising $$$ for the AJC, which equals job security for Mr. O’Brien, who, due in part to your help, is selling much advertising. Oh, The Irony.

By KC

March 17, 2007 4:25 PM | Link to this

I don’t mean to pour water on Langerhanz… but has anyone else notice that he’s struck out 14 times in 33 AB’s. If we’re going to read anything into his spring performance, that’s alarmingly high.

By Bob, journalist

March 17, 2007 4:28 PM | Link to this

When people are laughing with you, join in the fun without hesitation … but when they’re laughing at you; it’s best to first figure out the joke!

When you’re unsure … chamge identities.

Whether it’s horseracing, boxing or foils … proper selection of the competition is the key to winning.

I hate it when we lose!

Later …

By KC

March 17, 2007 4:30 PM | Link to this

In contrast to Langerhanz, Francoeur has struck out only 4 times in 35 AB’s. That’s a stikeout every 8.75 AB’s, which over 550 AB’s would be about 63 K’s. Pretty damn good.

If he can carry that into the season, we could quickly turn into one of the games’ best all around hitters.

By JackAssHater

March 17, 2007 4:35 PM | Link to this

The Southern jack off….err…..jack a* is nothing but a bitter redneck who finally has the internet at his trailer park. Having just gotten out of jail for raping his mother, he finds pleasure in “rattling cages” on an internet blog. He has nothing intelligent to say about the Braves, or anything else for that matter. He thinks that because his highest level of education is third grade, that he has a lot to offer here. Unfotunately, he only has something to offer to a mental institution. DOB continues to own him and abuse him on this blog and he keeps coming back for more. I enjoy watching DOB rape him daily.

By Lew

March 17, 2007 4:37 PM | Link to this

Hey Jacka$$-I really don’t care if you leave or not-much less what you think of me. I just figured since so much of today’s dialogue had to do with irony that I would point your foibles out to you. I should have realized you would be blind to the more subtle shades and nuances of the ironic condition. You really are dumb as well as a jerk.

By KC

March 17, 2007 4:37 PM | Link to this

LEW: I have to disagree with you on the Mets’ pitching. It didn’t suck last year. Their bullpen was the best in the league which, along with their offense, carried them to a division title.

Now their rotation was definitely suspect, but when averaged out bullpen and rotation… they had an above average pitching staff overall.

Also, I disagree that Floyd is better than Alou. Alou should have at least one more solid season left if he can stay healthy.

HOWEVER: Their bullpen is slightly diminished this year, and their rotation might be even more suspect than last year. I do think the Mets will win around 90 games again this year… but not 97 or 98. And personally, I don’t think “around 90 wins” will cut it against this Atlanta team.

By Bob, journalist

March 17, 2007 4:41 PM | Link to this

Lew, if only that were true … twas once … but if today’s advertising dollars are based on simple site hits then the advertisers have greater need to upgrade their expertise and technology than does the AJC.

By Lew

March 17, 2007 4:42 PM | Link to this

KC-Dude, you’re overly optimistic at the best of times. Their pitching was bad last year (minus the bullpen) and will be worse this year. And yes, Cliff Floyd is better than Moises Alou.

By Lew

March 17, 2007 4:52 PM | Link to this

Bob-If it weren’t true, then why would they even count page hits and have advertising banners all over David’s blog. I didn’t mean to imply that DOB’s writing and career dedication wouldn’t provide job security in and of itself, but all those blog hits DO matter to the AJC for advertising, hence revenue, sources. Count on it.

By Bob, journalist

March 17, 2007 4:55 PM | Link to this

Honorable Southern, I anticipated that observation … and have given it much thought … but for now, I think I’ll just reverse the letters in my name.

It’ll fool the sheep and my friends know the code.

By jed

March 17, 2007 4:56 PM | Link to this

DOB—I hear you, but here’s the point you’re missiing: Chipper’s injury is not mere happenstance, but another manifestation of a body in decline. And the irony I’m alluding to has got to do with YOUR aforementioned “admonition” to us bloggers not to sweat the Chipper situation, which was proven wrong—in my view—by the fact that only a couple days later, you had to come back and report that Chipper got hurt again. IE, your subsequent reporting of chipper’s injury cast an ironic light on your previous “admonition.” I’ll let the subject die, as it’s a bit semantic and (a good bit) tedious, but, yes, I know what irony is (and is not), and I dont need some journalism major from a cow college in Kansas to tell me what it is. Again…Good day, sir!

By Braveheart

March 17, 2007 4:58 PM | Link to this

as for that mariano rivera issue raised above: When Jackie Robinson’s number was universally retired by MLB back in 97 or so, Mariano Rivera was already wearing number 42 as were several other players. I think Mo Vaughn was one of them (not sure though). They were grandfathered in and allowed by MLB to continue wearing the number. I am not sure if any of the old 42s are still playing or not except for Mariano. So Mariano Rivera might very well be the last MLB player to ever wear good ole #42. So it was no disrespect at all by Mariano or by the Yankees in allowing Mariano to wear the number. Based upon the man and player Mariano is, it may actually be a very appropriate tribute that Mariano is the last one to don Jackie’s number as an honor to Jackie’s legacy.

By mike

March 17, 2007 4:58 PM | Link to this

Some of the concerns on Mets blogs: —many don’t want Julio Franco on the active roster… wish he could be a coach…bat was awfully slow by the end of last year (Omar was the only one dumb enough to offer more than one year, so DEAL with it people) —the team’s promotional phrase for this season (some think that the only adjective in the dictionary is “Amazin” —starting pitching (Yes, the true Mets fans are very concerned about it, unlike the Met fans who post on here.)

By Lew

March 17, 2007 5:00 PM | Link to this

I haven’t been stung in a long time Jacka$$ and certainly not by you or anything you have to say or have said. One tenth of your intellect added to anyones’ would amount to about a two point gain, you dumb, hateful redneck. Dude, you even give rednecks a bad name. Go contemplate your intelligence, you mental midget. I doubt you’ll find much to play with. I’m out of here, too. See ya.

By KC

March 17, 2007 5:01 PM | Link to this

LEW: Where are you seeing optimism in my comments??

First of all, we’re talking about something that occurred in the past. How could I be optimistic or pessimistic about something that’s already happened? I’m just telling you what I saw and how I saw it.

The fact is that the Mets were 3rd in the league with a 4.14 ERA (6th best team ERA out of all 30 MLB teams).

I never said they were great. I just said that their pitching didn’t suck and that it was above average overall. As best I can tell, that’s a statistical fact.

Second, I hate the Mets, so if I were saying that the Mets are going to have good pitching this year, which I am not saying (I’ve already expressed that I consider their pitching to be at least slightly diminished from last year’s squad)… then that would be pessimism, not optimism.

By Oddjob

March 17, 2007 5:06 PM | Link to this

Bob You might also consider killing those who laugh at you.I’m not advacating this course of action as I’m sure there are pitfalls that have not as yet occurred to me.Still it seems wise to not limit your options.

By Bob, journalist

March 17, 2007 5:10 PM | Link to this

Methinks that “Language Guy” that David quoted may have had a point but with all that I’ve read herein, it may well be that there is no such thing as irony.

I was taught and have always believed that “truth is truth” but it now appears that maybe what’s true for some ain’t for others.

By mike

March 17, 2007 5:14 PM | Link to this

Pretty good battle brewing for spots in the Mets rotation:

Todays fun: Jorge Sosa, 2 innings, 8 hits, 6 runs (3 earned); Aaron Sele, just as bad today, spring ERA over 7

Quote from a Met’s fan: “I can’t believe we are going into the season with a #2 and a bunch of #5 starters”

By April

March 17, 2007 5:15 PM | Link to this

6’11” what a waste. A really tall man who won’t even talk to me and you know I am pretty from the website. I am tall enough to kiss your lips as we dance. You do dance don’t you? Why are you so distant and so full of hatred? Did you play baseball as a youth? Is that why you like the Braves? Team sports usually help intellectual development. You seem so shallow intellectually. Shall we try again? You seem to need a friend. A girlfriend.

By Lew

March 17, 2007 5:20 PM | Link to this

KC-If you’re really that big a Braves’ fan, then you should show it, Dude. What’s wrong with you? You never give the Mets an even break, right or wrong, especially after having to listen to their obnoxious fans coming here and talking smack all flippin’ day. You should be glad all I called you was optimistic.

By David O'Brien

March 17, 2007 5:21 PM | Link to this

Jed, so I guess you were full of it when you said no hard feelings. Here I go saying it was all in good fun, agreeing with you, and you come back with that pitiful line about a “cow college in Kansas?”

Just so you know, the school with the very good agricultural programs is Kansas State, the rival of the school I went to, Kansas, which is often referred to as “Snob Hill” by those who don’t go to KU.

Anyone who attended KU or K-State, or any school in the Big 12, for that matter, would laugh at your description of KU as a “cow college.”

But if it makes you feel better, I have no problem with the description. Where’d you go, by the way? Harvard or Yale, judging from the keen observations.

By jed

March 17, 2007 5:29 PM | Link to this

Yeah, thanks SJA, but you gotta know that post was also written in fun.

By Lew

March 17, 2007 5:30 PM | Link to this

DOB-That kind of reminds me of my days at UGA. Clemson was our biggest football rival at the time. A popular poster was a person with skis on a plowed field. The caption read, “Ski Clemson”. Cow college would have been an upgrade over what we used to call them. KC-Now, Dude, you said you’ve spent time in Boston. When did you ever hear a Sox fan call the Yankees the Yankees? Never. It was always, The DAMNED Yankees. Same thing here with the Mets.

By Bob, journalist

March 17, 2007 5:31 PM | Link to this

JackAssHater, vulgar remarks about someone’s mother represents despicable behavior and shouldn’t be tolorated … regardless of your target or your motives.

If you’re well intending, you’re misguided and should reflect on what you’re doing … if not, your vile remarks suggest preoccupation with self.

By Oddjob

March 17, 2007 5:32 PM | Link to this

Bob true irony occurs organically otherwise it is satire or just plain sarcasm.example I am a good speler.If this were not planed it would qualify but since you can’t be intentionally ironical it does not qualify.Of course there is a chance that I am being ironic in which case I am oblivious.This is my last comment on the subject as my ears appear to be bleeding.

By April

March 17, 2007 5:32 PM | Link to this

Are you really 6’11”? Most men that tall aren’t so unsure of themselves. Most tall men I know like girls. Of course, Tommy Tune is tall and he doesn’t like girls from what I’ve read. Maybe we should call you Southern Tommy Tune.

By TheSouthernJackAss

March 17, 2007 5:40 PM | Link to this

Bob, take a good look at the tone of comments made toward me, which are left on the blog—at the same time my comments are being deleted…see any fairness here?…

By Oddjob

March 17, 2007 5:41 PM | Link to this

April So is the short gene humping the gay gene?

By Braveheart

March 17, 2007 5:43 PM | Link to this

it appears at this point that oh the irony is fast closing on replacing oh the humanity.

can everyone move on already with these little stupid fights? i was at fault as much or more than anyone else but let’s move on now. at this point, we are a handful of racist mike vick comments away from devolving into a falcons blog. let the trolls be trolls. if you got nothing left to say or fight about, then join me and the rest of the men watching basketball.

By Bob, journalist

March 17, 2007 5:44 PM | Link to this

Oddjob You might also consider killing those who laugh at you

I did consider that … but loneliness is worse than being the target of laughter … and I was surprised at your spellin’.

By Oddjob

March 17, 2007 5:47 PM | Link to this

Ok I lied here’s my best and last shot at depicting irony.A man drops his life insurance policy which is picked up by the wind and blown into the road.The man goes to retrieve it and is struck and killed by a car driven by his life insurance salesman.

By Coach

March 17, 2007 6:00 PM | Link to this

Horacio Ramirez : 3 starts 1 win 0 losses 12 innings 5 hits 2 earned runs 3 walks 4 strikeouts and a 1.50 ERA . As the only blogger who was against this trade from the start its apparent that championship teams are build around dominant rotations , great defense , timely hitting , a great closer and a solid bullpen. The Braves at present have a questionable rotation , great bullpen , solid closer , mediocre defense , solid offense and a third baseman on a collision course date with the DL. I’ll take an educated guess and say wild card contender at this point.

By jed

March 17, 2007 6:02 PM | Link to this

No way, DOB— “cow college” is a joking term used by southerners. Dismissing someone’s school as a “cow college” is a pretty common, harmless joke. It means nothing. At least that’s how I intended it. Seriously. And that was faux-indignance at the end of my post, for comedic purposes. The “Good day, sir!” thing is from Monty Python, I think…

By David O'Brien

March 17, 2007 6:05 PM | Link to this

on, the persecution complex again. waaaaa. anybody interested in talking to Hateful Guy about himself or any of his complexes? No? Good, then let’s get back to the stuff he hates talking about _ stuff other than him.

By Micah

March 17, 2007 6:11 PM | Link to this

Where’s the love?

Go Braves!

By Oddjob

March 17, 2007 6:20 PM | Link to this

Louisville vs Texas a&m I love this stuff!

By No Chop Zone

March 17, 2007 6:20 PM | Link to this

Lew likes the word Dilusional. He uses it to describe those who don’t agree with his thought process.

By Lew

March 17, 2007 6:57 PM | Link to this

Not me Jacka$$. I only blog under my own name. Sure can’t say the same, can you? Moron. Poor poor persecuted moron. The blog world is so nasty and you never did anything to instigate your castigation. Poor Jacka$$.

By David O'Brien

March 17, 2007 6:58 PM | Link to this

Acie Law _ best clutch player in a decade or more. I thank you, my bracket thanks you.

By Oddjob

March 17, 2007 6:59 PM | Link to this

I think the term ‘cow college’ started as slang for an ag school like Clemson or anything in the state of Texas.

By jmhga44

March 17, 2007 7:00 PM | Link to this

I’m referencing the post from 11:46am from Journalist Jimmy Smith (I admit to enjoying his musings on this blog)asking about who the Brave was who burned himself irnoning a shirt. I believe that was actually John Smoltz that had that mishap..

DOB..I hope to be adding another park to my list this year. If things work out right I’ll be seeing a game in the new Reds stadium (Great American Ballpark) along with possibly either Jacobs Field in Cleveland or PNC Park in Pittsburgh (I’ve heard lots of good things about that park!). I’ll put my thoughts on those parks on your blog if things work out right.

Good evening to all from Texas! JH

By Lew

March 17, 2007 7:01 PM | Link to this

Chop Zone-No, I only use it to describe delusional people like yourself. Feel free to disagree with me all you want. No problem at all. But when you come here and talk smack about the Mets and try to tell me their weaknesses are strengths, then I will call you delusional. You have yet to offer substantial proof that anything I said was incorrect. You just told me how much you don’t respect me. Know what, Dude? I really don’t care.

By David O'Brien

March 17, 2007 7:04 PM | Link to this

No worries, Jed. All’s well. We all get along here, even MetroMan knows when to stop pushing things too far. All except one guy, one bitter, hateful person (used to be two, but down to one now). Hey, what can you do. We should be thankful to only have one misanthrope.

By ElbravoX

March 17, 2007 7:09 PM | Link to this

Saturday in the park, I think it was the 4th of July…Just got my tickets for Braves/Dodgers at Chavez Urine. Sick seats. 4 of July this year, opening day last year. Now, foooore!

By Bob, journalist

March 17, 2007 7:10 PM | Link to this

Honorable Southern, there is some truth in the adage that you can expect to reap what you sow. So too is it true that time is a great healer of wounds.

I honestly don’t keep up with what is or isn’t deleted. More to the point … it may be a minority opinion but people should not be allowed to make comments that qualify for deletion … you, me, Jimmy, Lew, 10Paul, David O’B, Coach, Oddjob, Scoots, Braveheart, My Lady … anybody!

The AJC might not currently have the expertise or resources to inplement that which is needed but they certainly are in a position to inforce such groundrules!

One warning and on the second offense they should be gone, plain and simple!

I don’t have descriptors that adequately describe my disdain for the permitting of rhetoric designed to disparage and/or incite, provided it doesn’t touch the sacred cows protected by political correctness … while purporting to oppose such behavior.

Many of us are occassional targets, usually because we are perceived as having ourselves engaged in such rhetoric … in some form or fashion.

With few exceptions, people know when the tone of their remarks are improper and/or in bad taste … regardless of protestations. As before, that includes you, me and everyone else.

Each of us can also make our own list of folks who over-react when criticized or presented with an opposing view … and we should use a 20 footer when so engaging those folks.

To answer your question, it’s unfair if your posts are receiving different treatment than others … and those who attack you unnecessairly or unjustly should be held to the same standard as the one to which you are held when your behavior is inappropriate.

Personally, I have a higher level of contempt for the unacceptable behavior of my friends than my foes … so behave!

By Bob, journalist

March 17, 2007 7:28 PM | Link to this

Coach As the only blogger who was against this trade from the start its apparent that championship teams are build around dominant rotations , great defense , timely hitting , a great closer and a solid bullpen.

If you want me to send this to Monster.com, I’ll need your email address.

By Bob, journalist

March 17, 2007 7:31 PM | Link to this

Coach, that was a joke! … an indirect extension of my last post to Honorable Southern.

By No Chop Zone

March 17, 2007 7:36 PM | Link to this

Lew must be PMS’ing. It’s the only way to explain his/her tirade’s. Are same sex marriages allowed in your state?

By Braveheart

March 17, 2007 7:49 PM | Link to this

In honor of St. Paddy’s Day, does anyone have a list of bands or songs you think are an essential listen on this great day for the Irish?

I would go with The Wolfe Tones, Clancy Brothers, The Pogues, Dropkick Murphys, 4 to the Bar, Irish Rovers, Shilelagh Law, Seamus Egan, Bing Crosby, Chieftans, Eileen Ivers, Bill Whelan, Flogging Molly, The Real McKenzies, Black 47, The Dubliners, and on and on and on.

Any of my other Irishmen got any more or are you too drunk at this point to type?

Erin Go Bragh!

By Lew

March 17, 2007 7:51 PM | Link to this

ChopZone-As I’ve said before-never anything in the way of facts or figures-just personal attacks. Are the Mets so bad that this is how you’re going to get your jollies this year? Sounds like you’re Stinky incognito. All this talk of sexual insecurity. Says much more about you, jerk, than it does me. I do pity you your insecurities, though. Too bad.

By No Chop Zone

March 17, 2007 7:54 PM | Link to this

How about U2?

By Braveheart

March 17, 2007 8:02 PM | Link to this

Lew - you told me to chill yesterday about Betemit - same advice here in your battle with No Chop.

No Chop - Just chill with personally attacking Lew. I get annoyed with your inflated opinions of the Mets but I usually like you and appreciate a different viewpoint so long as you are not attacking bloggers personally. i am obviously not perfect in that regard either, so let’s both try to be better and stick to our facts and opinions and not personally attacking bloggers. As for U2, obviously I love them, but they don’t get me in that mood of being in a smoky drunken Irish pub in an old Irish neighborhood on St. Paddy’s Day.

By No Chop Zone

March 17, 2007 8:08 PM | Link to this

What facts Lew? The facts are yet to be seen. The 2007 season hasn’t yet begun. I reference last year because the fact is the Mets rotation was good enuf to take the Mets to the playoffs. Yes, the pitching wasn’t great but it was good.

By TheSouthernJackAss

March 17, 2007 8:11 PM | Link to this

Unbelievable!…birds of a feather…I used to believe that there were at least a couple bloggers here that wouldn’t sacrifice their principles in exchange for acceptance or popularity—damn if I wasn’t wrong—you all make me sick…Selah

By No Chop Zone

March 17, 2007 8:15 PM | Link to this

I’m just playing braveheart. I’ve read of few of your post’s when you weren’t playing nice. Anyway, I’m not Irish and U2 was the only band I could think of.

By TheSouthernJackAss

March 17, 2007 8:16 PM | Link to this

Unbelievable!…I used to believe that there were at least a couple people here that wouldn’t sacrifice their principles in exchange for acceptance and popularity—damn wasn’t I wrong…I’m out—your blog is now pure…you all make me sick!…

By Braveheart

March 17, 2007 8:17 PM | Link to this

Looks like vandy just won. Not a big Vandy fan but I had them going to the Elite 8. not doing too good with the ole bracket, so i am glad Vandy brought me some good news

By Braveheart

March 17, 2007 8:20 PM | Link to this

Goodbye cruel world!

By Oddjob

March 17, 2007 8:26 PM | Link to this

When I bragged on Langerfranz earlier I missed his error so he’s back on my list for now.

By choppinmama

March 17, 2007 8:39 PM | Link to this

An absolutely beautiful day at the ballpark today complete with a “Jesus Loves You” skywriter. Smoltz looked in fine form. He walked in in front of me and smelled pretty good too (or maybe that was Joe Simpson!). Haven’t yet seen Wicky’s killer instinct at work in these middle innings.

Glad to see Manny Acosta back out in the 9th and that he hadn’t done himself harm after his last 9-run 9th inning vs. the Astros. It was also good to see Eli Marrero looking strong and healthy again.

All I ask is to see one win out of seven games before I go home. You Bravos have two more chances.

TJ Bohn was HBP on the toes and Choppinmama was heard to moan “Oh, the humanity” as TJ limped down to first and was trainer’d by Porter.

Hey guys - I’ve even had a couple of DOB sightings - all 10 toes, obliques and groins seem to be healthy.

By David O'Brien

March 17, 2007 8:40 PM | Link to this

Forgot to note earlier, Aybar is expected ot make trip to Sarasota tomorrow provided his hand feels as good tomorrow as it did last two days. These next few days should tell us whether he’ll open season on active roster. Again, when I asked Bobby yesterday, he said “no, no, no” they weren’t thinking DL for Aybar as of now. So we’ll see.

By David O'Brien

March 17, 2007 8:52 PM | Link to this

Braveheart, you’re forgetting the great, great Irishman: Van the Man. Van Morrison.

And Rory Gallagher, terrific guitarist. And for bands, in addition to the ones you cited including the mighty Pogues, U2 and Black 47, there was Stiff LIttle Fingers and Thin Lizzy.

Though he was born in London, the great Declan MacManus (aka Elvis Costello) is of Irish descent.

Oh, and she went off the rails later, but Sinead O’Conner was awesome when she first started recording. She put out a couple of brilliant albums.

By David O'Brien

March 17, 2007 8:53 PM | Link to this

top o’ the mornin’ to you, Choppinmama.

Folks, she’s a big-time fan. Saw her all over the place this past week _ Kissimmee, Tampa, The Sector ….

By Lew

March 17, 2007 9:07 PM | Link to this

DOB-Thanks for including Rory and Thin Lizzy. It would be sacrilege to forget them. I saw Thin Lizzy open for Queen at the Hollywood Sportatorium back in 77. Won’t see that set again.

By journalist jimmy smith

March 17, 2007 9:08 PM | Link to this

chopppinmama, this journalist was unaware of a toe injury to tj bohn. thank you for reporting it. let us hope that tj bohn will not suffer unduly with toe distress. toes are not to be trifled with.

journalist returns to the blog to find considerable disharmony here. hatred even. there is no hatred in blogging. no crying in baseball - unless hit on the toe.

and, hello jmhga44, it was indeed john smoltz who injured himself while ironing a shirt he was wearing. uh, smoltz. now that’s real iron-y.

now, chipper is quoted today, “no comment - at all.” chipper then left the park. where did chipper go? is chipper duck hunting while in florida? 170 pound duck at disney world - but out of season.

now, wicky looks to be in fine baseball shape - shaped like a refrigerator.

it is st. patrick’s day and dob must surely be out drinking green beer tonight. and bob is soaking in a green tub.

By Oddjob

March 17, 2007 9:11 PM | Link to this

DOB Van Morrison is second to none.call him soul,blues or jazz I call him great.

By choppinmama

March 17, 2007 9:12 PM | Link to this

Have ticket, will travel……..

By Braveheart

March 17, 2007 9:20 PM | Link to this

My pops would beat me for forgetting Van Morrison. That was his favorite. I made the mistake one day of telling him Jim Morrison was better than Van Morrison. That was a rather ugly disagreement. I will never make the mistake of stating that opinion to my dad again.

You’re right about Sinead. It seems like you have to almost be embarrassed to say that you have ever liked any of her songs because of what her image became for whatever reason but that girl could sing.

I would be completely negligent if I did not mention my all time favorite Irish group: the House of Pain, who were responsible for a hip hop generation of Irish American kids shaving their heads, growing goatees and sideburns, and feeling like they had a legitimate hip hop image. Everlast was a cheesy lyricist when he was with the House of Pain but we all thought he was the coolest man alive with the gruff voice. Actually, I had never heard of Thin Lizzy until Everlast kept giving Thin Lizzy props in one of the HOP albums.

Happy Saint Paddy’s Day!

By Lew

March 17, 2007 9:32 PM | Link to this

Braveheart-Thin Lizzy was one of the best hard rock bands of the late 70’s. It’s really too bad the only song that gets played is The Boys Are Back In Town. They were much better than that song would lead you to believe. Gary Moore, the blues guitarist got his start with them and musicians from Graham Parker’s band played backup with them sometimes. I’m glad I got to see them before Phil Lynott died. Another great musicain claimed by heroin.

By brent

March 17, 2007 9:33 PM | Link to this

DOB & Jeb,

I had a lengthy discussion with my wife, the English teacher, on the irony debate, and let me just say, that I think it boils down to how you took DOB’s “injury blog” from four days ago.

I think some of the readers felt that they were being somewhat “chided” by DOB for getting up in arms over Chipper’s ankle injury.

DOB even went so far as to say, “but I’m just pointing out that relatively speaking, Chipper has been an iron man for most of his career. Compared to them _ or to Hampton, for that matter _ Chipper is Cal Ripken Jr.

“Hey, if he gets hurt again early this season, lands on the DL, then we’ll all write about how injury-prone he is, as we should. I’m just suggesting that right now, while he’s having no problems with his chronic feet and his troublesome oblique _ hey, that’s alliteration, or rhymin’ as Mark Bowman would say _ maybe, just maybe, the dude is headed for the type of season he had for eight consecutive years, rather than one like he’s had the past couple. Maybe.”

I think the fact that you even mentioned his oblique muscle, lends to this situation being a case of irony.

A lot of this comes down to hubris. What was the intent of the writer and how did the reader take it?

What was the tone?

Irony, is of course, a coincidence. However, whether or not a coincidence is ironic, is what is debatable.

Personally, I do see the irony in DOB writing a blog about how we shouldn’t be up in arms about Chipper getting injured - again - when we’ve seen him injured a lot over the last 2 seasons. (Especially the Cal Ripken comparison).

I think that most viewed his ankle injury, as being a pre-cursor, to more to come. And, 3 days later, what do we get? Another injury.

Is it ironic that he got hurt twice in a week? No. That is a bad coincidence.

Is it ironic that he got another injury after someone tried to convince fans (who were convinced that there were more injuries to come) that he was an “iron man”?

Maybe.

By David O'Brien

March 17, 2007 9:33 PM | Link to this

For a Duke grad, Jay Bilas sure has his nose up UNC’s… blue uni’s.

I mean, come on, Jay, we get it: You think Tyler is the greatest player since Michael Jordan. My god, give it a rest, man. While you were drooling over Tyler, Michigan State just took the lead.

By Yars

March 17, 2007 9:49 PM | Link to this

The Braves have way too many infielders. If Kelly Johnson is the opening day 2B, then it will be Aybar & Woodward as the backups. Does that mean Prado, Willie Harris, Orr, & Escobar will all be playing for Richmond next month? Watching the game on sportsouth this afternoon, Joe Simpson said he can’t see why Prado won’t be on the Braves opening day roster. I see a trade taking place really soon.

By StingerSplash

March 17, 2007 10:01 PM | Link to this

You want grand old Irish music, Tommy Makem and the Clancy Brothers can’t be beat. There was a group in the DC area years ago called The Bards who did an excellent album. The Irish Rovers? Please. For great non-traditional Irish tunes, aside from U2, try Van Morrison or Elvis Costello (yep, he’s one of us). DOB, isn’t it a better problem to have to figure out who to keep (Utility INF, backup LF/OF, starting pitcher) than some of the questions in previous springs? This might be, in Mr. Sinatra’s words, a very good year.

By Braveheart

March 17, 2007 10:05 PM | Link to this

When I hear the Boys Are Back in Town song now all I can think of are Wrangler Jeans commercials featuring Little E. The song in the commercial actually makes me like Junior even more than I already do but you are right. it is an unfortunate and undeserved legacy to have to be remembered by too many of a younger generation like me as the singers singing that song in the that Wranglers commercial, which they seem to play 1000 times during every NASCAR race BTW.

By David O'Brien

March 17, 2007 10:06 PM | Link to this

Brent, you made good points _ for a while, until you had to go and exaggerate to make your case stronger. I absolutely did not try to convince anyone that Chipper today is an “iron man.” You took a huge liberty with my words to strengthen your point by picking it up in the middle of the paragraph with this:

DOB even went so far as to say, �but I�m just pointing out that relatively speaking, Chipper has been an iron man for most of his career. Compared to them _ or to Hampton, for that matter _ Chipper is Cal Ripken Jr.”

Really weak, Brent. Because you twisted the entire point. Don’t screw with my meaning, bro. HERE is what I wrote. Get it right, or leave it the hell alone (and folks, notice where the actual part where Brent picked it up begins):

…By that I mean, he’s had two years where he’s played 110 and 109 games, back-to-back injury-plagued years. But he did play 157 games a year for eight straight 100-or-more RBI seasons through 2003. And his 137 games in 2004 were _ are you ready for this? _ more than J.D. Drew has played in six of his eight full seasons in the majors. Yes, six out of eight.

Ken Griffey Jr. hasn’t played as many 130 games in any of the past six seasons, and played fewer than 110 in four of the past five.

Granted, Drew and Griffey are hardly the guys you want to measure yourself against in terms of durability and reliabity, but I’m just pointing out that relatively speaking, Chipper has been an iron man for most of his career. Compared to them _ or to Hampton, for that matter _ Chipper is Cal Ripken Jr….

JUST A TAD DIFFERENT WHEN TAKEN IN THE CONTEXT IN WHICH I WROTE IT, HUH? Sorry to mess up the point you were trying to make by completely taking what I wrote out of context.

Now THAT might be ironic, I’m not sure. Ask your wife.

By David O'Brien

March 17, 2007 10:09 PM | Link to this

StingerSplash, outstanding _ Tommy Makem, the Clancy Brothers. That’s great Irish drinking music.

And glad to know someone else agrees with both Costello’s greatness and Irish-ness.

By Braveheart

March 17, 2007 10:11 PM | Link to this

Stinger Splash: you are right. the Irish Rovers are awfully cheesy. But when you sit in grandma’s house after mass all day long on Sundays, and she keeps playing it, you are going to end up liking it no matter how cheesy they may be.

By David O'Brien

March 17, 2007 10:11 PM | Link to this

And yes, I’d expect at least one trade late this coming week. It’s that time of spring, and Braves have an expendable infielder or two and maybe an outfielder or reliever that a team or two might want. We’ll see.

By Oddjob

March 17, 2007 10:18 PM | Link to this

Two down four to go GO HEELS!!!

By David O'Brien

March 17, 2007 10:38 PM | Link to this

Had to go back and fix my previous post, since I realized that what I initially copied and pasted to illustrate Brent’s creative editing was my original blog, and that I’d actually added the Ken Griffey stuff after I posted the blog (even more info that Brent cut out).

Anyway….

Oddjob, it’ll be interesting to see what the Heels do against the Big 12’s third-place team (Texas) in the next round, provided the Longhorns beat USC tomorrow.

In that region, I’ve got Texas beating UNC in the Sweet 16 and then beating Georgetown in the Elite Eight in the only bracket I filled out and only pool I got in.

By Drew

March 17, 2007 11:21 PM | Link to this

DOB, what do you think the Braves would be looking for if the made a trade this week? Minor league talent in other areas? Starting pitching prospects perhaps. Just wondering, because there don’t seem to be any glaring major league holes other than leadoff which I think KJ will do fine at.

By Greg in TN

March 17, 2007 11:25 PM | Link to this

Evening everyone…

Was only able to catch a few innings of the St Patty’s game today. DOB, all I gotta say is I hope I never see those green hats again. Let’s try something else to celebrate the holiday.

Lot’s of positives from today’s activities and not all of them are on the field. Nice to see that two recently injured Braves are doing much better today. Frenchy, Wilson and Prado all brought their lumber to the yard today.

Another earned run by Wickman and one by Yates, but I think Wick will get it all worked out by opening day. Still leaving a lot of runners on base, guys and gals. The hits are coming though, so I believe we’ll do better on that in the weeks to come.

I’m planning to be there opening night and for the Saturday matinee w/the Mets. Ready to get this season going.

By Henry

March 17, 2007 11:29 PM | Link to this

Great report, as always, DOB, but dang, is it that time of the month for everybody on this blog, or what? Y’all need to go do something about yourselves, you’re acting like this is real life or something.

Okay, baseball and middle infielders. Maybe I missed it above (I scrolled through a lot of catfighting), but the only enlightenment I got today about Chipper was that he was in the same mood as you guys. That and his history the last two years leads me to think he got bit pretty good. I’m doubtful we see a trade of middle infielders until he’s past this.

So most likely season-opening roster scenario for middle/leftside infielders in my mind now is one of these two:

A. Chipper, Renteria, KJohnson start, Woodward and Orr on the bench, Aybar on DL, Pena released, Prado, Escobar to minors, Harris to minors if he’s eligible, reluctantly released if he’s not.

or

B. Same as above except Chipper joins Aybar on bench, Prado joins the opening day roster. With both Chipper and Aybar on the DL, I’m not sure who starts at third — Prado, like today?

I just don’t see a place for Pena or Harris on this team at this time, and I’m doubtful either can be traded. If such a trade can be worked out, I’m sure JS would jump on it, but I wouldn’t expect to get more than minor leaguers in return.

Woodward, Prado and Escobar have trade value, but it would make no sense to do so just to make room for Pena or Harris. I’m doubtful that Orr has a lot more trade value than Pena or Harris.

I think at this point that starting Aybar on the DL makes a whole lot of sense, even if he’s ready to play. Not only would that give him time to get in condition, it would buy JS more time to work a deal to clear the logjam, if one doesn’t fall together here soon. Come to think of it, maybe Aybar is your best trade prospect — proven value, but not a future superstar like Prado or Escobar may be.

Sorry to doubt your Iron Hoss, DOB (Kidding! Please don’t jump on me like you did Brent at 10:06), but as Roseanne Roseannadanna used to say, “If it’s not one thing, it’s another” with Chipper these last few years. I’m not bashing him, he’s been a great player and I agree he’s a potential future Hall of Famer. I also never doubt that the competitive spirit is still there; in fact, I think part of his problem may be playing sometimes when he shouldn’t. Whatever, time sure seems to be catching up.

Henry

By Henry

March 17, 2007 11:42 PM | Link to this

I meant to say Chipper joins Aybar on DL in my second scenario above, sorry.

By brent

March 17, 2007 11:44 PM | Link to this

DOB,

I pulled out a quote, and left in the part about (an oft-injured) Hampton, and the term “relatively”, so that people could see that you were making a comparison.

Sorry that I didn’t put it all in there.

In fact, I’d still make the same point, with the entire quote that you have now included.

In fact, I wish I had the put the whole thing in there, but didn’t really see it as necessary.

I do not see how it changes anything, and in fact, am glad that you added it, because I think it only strengthens my point.

You obviously disagree.

I put the term “iron man” in quotes, intentionally, as this goes along with the term “relative”, which I also left in the quote that I pulled.

I realize, and I think anyone reading this would realize, that you were saying, that he is an “iron man”, relative to certain other players, one of those being Hampton, and the others, who I did not include in the quotable portion. (I do see that those players were important to the comparison you were making, but I did nothing to hide the fact that you were making a comparison to certain other players - and the context reveals that they were players who were less injury-prone than Hampton). But not that he is a real “iron man.”

No one views Drew, Griffey, etc. as being durable. Even if Chipper was more durable in the past, people are focused in on the last two seasons. Thus the concern. Once injuries start to pile up, it is hard to turn back the clock to your youth.

Again, my point is that people may have felt chided by a phrase, such as “everyone (to be) up in arms”, and then find it ironic and humorous that he would get injured again very quickly thereafter, especially a similar injury to one you had specifically stated that he did not have.

(The humor not being the injury, but that you had just written about it having not occurred - yet).

FWIW, I think this is the specific quote that may have bothered some people:

“But for everyone to be up in arms over Chipper’s slightly sprained ankle yesterday tells me everyone’s just waiting for Hoss to come up lame so they can pile on.”

Some might take that as an accusation.

Thank you for taking the time to read this, and for mentioning that I made some good points.

I appreciate your willingness to discuss what you write with readers, as I know you really take into consideration what people have to say.

By Drew

March 17, 2007 11:45 PM | Link to this

I think a lot of people may be overvaluing Prado. I don’t think he is in any way a future superstar, and probably not even a middle of the road starter. I think his ceiling is probably as a solid bench guy or bottom of the pack starting 2nd baseman. A nice gel guy, but nothing really special. Before this spring, I didn’t think he would amount to anything but a career minor leaguer. He’s proven a little bit to me, but I still don’t really understand the hype that some people here are giving him.

By Henry

March 18, 2007 12:11 AM | Link to this

Hey Drew, it’s spring. Isn’t every prospect is a future superstar at spring training?

Of course, you’re right. Come fall, not many of spring’s superstars will have measured up. Prado has a long way to go yet to prove himself a major leaguer, much less a superstar. But I’d still say he has more upside potential than Aybar, wouldn’t you? Of course, Aybar is more of a proven commodity — not as much risk nor as great future reward.

I’ll certainly trust Bobby and JS’s judgment on Prado. I know the speculation a couple of weeks ago was that they were talking him up and showing him off so they could increase his trade value. It wouldn’t be the first time we’ve traded a hot young player at the top of their value (see LaRoche, Adam).

By KC

March 18, 2007 12:25 AM | Link to this

It’s starting to get a little late in the spring now, so tomorrow’s start for Hudson is somewhat important. It’d be awfully nice to see him have a strong outing and maybe keep the ball on the ground more than he did in his last start.

By David O'Brien

March 18, 2007 12:25 AM | Link to this

Greg, you don’t like those bright green hats with the dark blue and red/white-trimmed jerseys, huh? I agree, rather hideous.

Next year, how ‘bout a white hat with a green “A”? Or would that not be grotesque enough?…

Julia-Louis Dreyfus hosting Saturday Night Live. Damn if she doesn’t look better than she did 15 or whatever years ago when Seinfeld started its run….

My wildest St. Pat’s Day: New Orleans about 17-18 years ago, when my sister lived in the Garden District. We were partying on a street that was blocked off, a bar on the block hosting a huge party with a bunch of great local bands, everyone getting crazy all afternoon and night. And what I remember most about it: Two New Orleans cops, in full uniform, drinking beers in the middle of this whole scene. I’m not making that up….

OK, feel free to share good stories, but stay within reasonable boundaries of good taste.

Speaking of boundaries of good taste…where’s Grinch? Face-down in a gutter on St. Pat’s Day, or what?

By David O'Brien

March 18, 2007 12:33 AM | Link to this

And on this day in Braves history:

1969: Cardinals 1B Orlando Cepeda is traded to the Braves for catcher/1B Joe Torre.

By KC

March 18, 2007 12:41 AM | Link to this

I’m awfully disappointed that Phil Stockman was delayed in getting here. I was really looking forward to watching him pitch this spring. Apparently, it’s going to be another week before he can get into a game.

This guy dominated at AAA like nobody’s business last year, and didn’t look at all bad in his short time in Atlanta before hitting the DL. He could be our closer or setup man in 2 or 3 years.

Ya know… it wouldn’t surprise me to see the Braves selling some bullpen talent at some point during the season to fill another need. They have a lot of depth to trade from there.

The Braves already have at least a couple bullpen arms that deserve to be on the major league roster, but won’t because there’s no room.

The Braves would have killed for a healthy Blaine Boyer last year. This year, they can’t even find room for him. And Stockman, as I’ve already mentioned, is ready for prime time. He sure as hell doesn’t have much else to learn at AAA.

The Braves also have a few other good young relief arms that will have to wait for a shot (or another shot) at the bigs, including Peter Moylan and Joey Divine. And don’t forget Tanyon Sturtze, who should be ready sometime in the early part of the season.

So… especially if Villarreal turns things around soon (I’m fully assuming that Mike Gonzalez will), then Atlanta will be quite overstocked with bullpen talent. Boy… it occurs to me that the last four words of the previous sentence would have evoked laughter 6 or 7 months ago… we’ve come a long way baby.

By KC

March 18, 2007 12:54 AM | Link to this

Went to the Turner Field open house today. Not a huge crowd, and almost nobody sitting in the seats watching the game, which I would attribute mostly to the weather. Cool temps would made to feel much cooler by a stiff wind.

It was a little on the chilly side. It was fun though… that is, until the affects of my 2-year-old missing nap time became apparent.

They put signs on all the seats for which season tickets may still be purchased. Torture. I saw a couple of seats that I would give up sensitive body parts for. Just can’t swing that yet. I’m hoping within 2-3 years to be able to snag some primo season ticket seats… but nowhere close to that now, sadly.

By KC

March 18, 2007 12:58 AM | Link to this

Meant to say: “cool temps were made to feel much cooler…”

Well, looks like everyone once again elected for a more responsible bed time than myself, so I suppose I should follow suit. Nighty-night.

By Lew

March 18, 2007 1:04 AM | Link to this

DOB-I guess you missed it the other day, but there was a loss in the Grinch family and he is temporaily MIA for a while. Talked to him tonight and he was stone cold sober. Scary.

By flbravesgirl

March 18, 2007 1:07 AM | Link to this

DOB, the Grinch had a death in the family. I doubt he was partying today.

Normally, I’m sure he swills green beer with the best of them (or worst, depending on your point of view)on St. Pat’s Day.

By KC

March 18, 2007 1:15 AM | Link to this

Okay, last post… really! First of all, I am aware of my egregious spelling oversight in a previous post. Should have been effect, not affects. I’ll write it 100 times on a chalk board before bed.

Ya know, it also occurred to me while spending some time in the room of the house in which I do my best thinking ;) that Mark Redman could be trade bait in a couple months.

If both he and Cormier perform well, and Davies looks good at AAA (assuming everything shakes out that way)… when Hampton comes back, who’s the odd man out? I would think it’s Redman. So if he pitches well, he should have some trade value in a couple months.

We could conceivably be in a position to trade Redman and a quality reliever without even feeling the loss of either. Package those two pieces with a prospect, and that could bring a pretty significant player in return… perhaps that elusive prototypical leadoff hitter we’ve blogged so often about over the past 4-5 months.

By StingerSplash

March 18, 2007 1:24 AM | Link to this

FWIW, I kinda like the green hats. It’s the spring training unis I ain’t keen on. But enough of the Mr. Blackwell imitation. DOB, who kept asking Chipper the questions about his oblique after his first no comment? It sounds like whatever it is is either bothering him or something was under his skin. That encounter, albeit brief, sounded like a rare moment of surly from the usually accomodating Mr. Jones.

By David O'Brien

March 18, 2007 2:23 AM | Link to this

Fell asleep and just woke up to turn off laptop. Now I feel bad for making the Grinch comment. Grinch, I’m sorry about that. Please accept my condolences.

By 3trees

March 18, 2007 9:40 AM | Link to this

You guys were still bloggin’ when we got home from the Lucinda show, but I was too whupped. Really good show. Main thing to me was how relaxed she was and how well she sang. Sounded better to me than the records. Had heard reports that she could be a bit surly live, not last night. The crowd was right with her. Pettibone was great AND he plays pedal steel. Jeez.

Pretty much dug the HBs. Really like the woman’s voice. Tunes kinda started sounding the same. Their drummer is as big a Balou!

Its still Spring Training? =)

By Lew

March 18, 2007 9:45 AM | Link to this

DOB-I talked to Grinch last night and he thanks everyone who has wished him well. Believe me, I’m sure he would have preferred a rousing St. Patrick’s celebration. He is, after all, The Grinch.

By Summerteeth

March 18, 2007 10:45 AM | Link to this

Old Hoss tends to come across as that old grump that sits in his front porch chair and yells at the neighborhood kids to stay off of his grass.

I love the guy but wish he would stop worrying about people asking about the severity of his injuries. When it happens as much as it has the last few years, questions will get asked. I don’t think anyone is questioning his ability, his numbers have been outstanding…I just think people are honestly concerned. I know I am.

**Jones arrived at the ballpark Saturday, changed clothes and went to the training room, declining to speak to reporters. “No comment,” he said. “At all.”

He declined again during a brief visit to his locker an hour later. And once more about 30 minutes later as he changed back into his street clothes.

“How many times do I have to say it?” he said before leaving the ballpark prior to the 1:05 p.m. game.**

Or am I reading into this wrong?

By krath

March 18, 2007 10:51 AM | Link to this

I wonder if this is going to be another year of epidemic oblique injuries? From what I have read, this isn’t just an ordinary rib muscle or side strain that has been around MLB for years at these levels. Albert Pujols, Jeff Kent, Mike Cameron, Rich Harden, Johnny Damon, Casey Blake and Mark Prior, Chipper, Hampton, Edgar…..the list goes on.

I have also read a number of theories why this is happening. (the information is out there if anyone wants to do the reseach) If it is a choice between being 10% stronger due to building muscle and workout regimine, or not being 10% stronger and staying injury free, I’ll would opt for the second option.

By David O'Brien

March 18, 2007 10:54 AM | Link to this

CHIPPER UPDATE: He still ain’t talking, but sent out a quote with the PR guy confirming it’s just a tweak, as Schuerholz told me yesterday. Bobby said Chipper is thinking he’ll be back Wednesday (after Tuesday off day). Bobby told him even if he doesn’t play until the last two games down here, and the two exhibition games at Turner, that’ll be fine by the manager. I’d bet on Wednesday….

3trees, Lu is NEVER surly live, man. She’s awesome. Great personality, very appreciative of the crowd response every time I’ve seen her, even when it was just a few hundred in a half-empty theatre in West Palm Beach 10 years ago. Anyway, glad you enjoyed the show….

By Lew

March 18, 2007 11:11 AM | Link to this

Krath-How’s it going, Dude? It’s been a while. They were talking about the MLB- wide oblique problem the other day on XM Home Plate. It does appear to have reached epic proportions-like the hamstring thing a couple of years ago. It may well have something to do with conditioning as opposed to the lack, thereof. DOB-What is it about shows where very few people show up? Two of the greatest shows I ever saw were not well attended. I saw Santana play in Macon for 200 fans (after the rest left because he wasn’t playing Jingo Rock or Black Magic Woman). They kicked butt for the rest of us for 1 1/2 hours after asking everyone else to come down to the stage. The other was an Ian Hunter/ Mick Ronson show in St. Pete. I got to sing All the Young Dudes with Ian and 15 people. That’s all that was there for the encore. Robin Trower played that night in Tampa and everyone went there. It was their loss, believe me,

By Braveheart

March 18, 2007 11:24 AM | Link to this

I could imagine that Chipper is probably angrier about the injuries than the rest of us combined - which may cause him to be standoffish right now. I’d be terribly grumpy too if it kept happening. It has to be terribly frustrating for him. He should talk to the media - especially media guys who took alot of heat this week from some bloggers for sticking up for him. It’s best not to talk though when you are angry - you tend to say things you don’t want to say or make promises to the fans and the team that your body will not let you keep. “Writing checks your body can’t cash” was the phrase I believe in Top Gun. So, I’m not going to get too upset about it becaue I can understand where he might be coming from at the moment.

By Braveheart

March 18, 2007 11:31 AM | Link to this

could the oblique thing just be something that has always been going on but in the past it was always just labeled something generic like sore ribs or a pulled rib muscle? Kind of like basketball players being labeled with a bum knee back in the day instead of a torn ACL. or pitchers being labeled as suffering from a bum elbow or shoulder instead of a torn rotator cuff or torn ligaments in the elbow? in the NBA a few years ago instead of players being labeled as suffering from bum foots, they started suffering from a little known thing called plantar fascitis (sp?).

By journalist jimmy smith

March 18, 2007 11:39 AM | Link to this

if prime conditioning causes oblique problems then we have been too harsh with chipper over the cheeseburger/milkshake training regimen. obviously, chipper is well-conditioned and has therefore hurt chipper’s oblique (right, not left).

and what is chipper’s favorite shake?

ajc.com headline: “Payday lenders want piece of pie”. hey, everybody wants a piece of pie. this is not news.

now, this from chipper’s spokesperson. “uh, chipper won’t be making any uh, statement today concerning the uh, oblique injury. chipper will get a rubdown with liniment, be groomed, and be sent home before the uh, game. that’s all we have today. now, go away.”

now, baseball … the infield must be tight. some players have okay gloves and a couple have really good range and fielding skills. if more pitchers are throwing a better sinker this season (inducing the ground ball) then the best infielders are gonna be needed. strong up the middle - the team has always been strong up the middle.

now, diaz … a blogger mentioned that diaz reminds a little of bob hormer when diaz bends back at the plate - and that blogger is right! who was it who made this observation? jimmy smith forgets. anyway, diaz does remind this journalist of horner when he bends backward. similarities end there, however. horner whipped those sore wrists and the ball jumped off the bat. diaz has a different swing but can hit with some power.

yes, the trade of joe torre … billed as last of the great catchers when he came to atlanta. changed positions and went on to be a mvp in st. louis.

and, grinch … jimmy smith sends condolences as well. grinch is missed on this blog.

By Robert (Justice Is The Best)

March 18, 2007 11:41 AM | Link to this

Summerteeth, I’m thinking that Chipper is just frustrated. Think about it. As frustrating as it is for us fans to hear about him getting injured, what seems to be bi-weekly almost, how frustrating do you think it is for him? We aren’t talking about a guy who has a history of not playing everyday or wanting to sit out of the lineup for a hangnail. Until 2004 Chipper played almost every game.

The guy reads the papers and I’m willing to bet this blog and sees how he’s ripped unmercifully and called “Day to Day” Chipper and criticized for being fragile. It is easy to say that he should just let it go and not really care about those comments. But, he is a human being and we all know that most of us get upset if somebody says something negative about us.

We forget sometimes that athletes are human. Some of the things they do may appear to be un-human but they are people just like us. The only difference is they get paid a lot of money to play a child’s game and they have millions who adore them.

DOB, can tell me if I’m way off base on this, but I am willing to bet Chipper’s refusal to talk to the media yesterday had a lot more to do with him being upset with the situation than it did with him being upset with the media or fans.

By Lew

March 18, 2007 11:48 AM | Link to this

Braveheart-On our discussion of Irish bands last evening, I just checked out You Tube and there is a video of Thin Lizzy doing “Emerald”, a good Irish song, much more typical of what they routinely played. Check it out. Jailbreak is good too, or Bad Reputation.

By David O'Brien

March 18, 2007 11:52 AM | Link to this

This from JJS is hilarious: “now, this from chipper’s spokesperson. “uh, chipper won’t be making any uh, statement today concerning the uh, oblique injury. chipper will get a rubdown with liniment, be groomed, and be sent home before the uh, game. that’s all we have today. now, go away.”

Braveheart, in all seriousness, you’re right _ he’s sick of being hurt and sick of talking about it. I got no problem with him not wanting to talk, but just handle it like he did today, tell the PR guy he doesn’t want to talk, give him a statement and be done with it. What p’d me off was having to wait 2-1/2 hours yesterday morning to get no comment. Could have been handled better.

But hey, it’s over, and nobody cares about the media getting stood up. I don’t expect anyone to. Part of the job. It’s better than sitting in rush-hour traffic, or at least no worse. Chipper’s a great quote 95 percent of the time, so tough to complain.

By KC

March 18, 2007 11:53 AM | Link to this

How bout’ when Hampton returns (provided Cormier remains solid), we ship Redman, a young reliever, and a prospect to Washington for Felipe Lopez?

By David O'Brien

March 18, 2007 11:55 AM | Link to this

Robert (JIB), yes, I think that’s the case with Chipper.

By journalist jimmy smith

March 18, 2007 11:59 AM | Link to this

can a lesson be learned from the world champion st. louis cardinals? do the cardinals have better shoe engineers? read this about jim edmonds toe issues: “The foot surgery corrected a condition known as hammer toe, and he has a steel plate insert in his shoe to prevent the toe from flexing.”

**toe flexing”” - could it be the problem here is toe flexing? would a simple steel plate inserted in the shoe eliminate toe problems in the atlanta braves infield? how much toe flex is too much? where does the steel plate fit in the shoe? how many toes … oh, the humanity! this team needs a good toe man.

now, how is carolina lady today? a report. please. it is important that carolina lady stay off ladders if carolina lady is going to fall off.

now, green beer will make anybody fall off a ladder. not saying carolina lady was in the beer mind you … just a random thought. (this should bring carolina lady out for sure).

By TheSouthernJackAss

March 18, 2007 12:06 PM | Link to this

What is the use of being moral in a night-celler, or wise in Bedlam?…

Nothing can be more awkward than to intruse with any far-fetched ideas among the common herd, who will be sure to

Stand all astonied, like a sort of steers,

‘Mongst whom some beast of strange and foreign race

Unwares is chanced, far straying from his peers:

So will their ghastly gaze betray their hidden fears…

By eric the elder

March 18, 2007 12:09 PM | Link to this

robert, jib, excellent piece. There is an inevitable tension between celebrities and the people who idolize them. In exchange for our praise and support, we fans expect something in return - - not the least being some recognition of us and some indirect communication with us. The media serve as the conduit for that, and when the media are treated badly, we take it personally and believe that we have been treated badly as well.

I suspect that fan resentment of obscene salaries is inversely proportional to the extent to which players pay some attention to us and let us into their lives so that we can have the vicarious experience we enjoy. The human element that robert describes will sometimes stand in the way of that. In such cases, fans and players can only go to their separate corners and wait for another opportunity to re-establish a connection.

By flange1

March 18, 2007 12:22 PM | Link to this

Lew,

Your are right about Ian Hunter and Mick Ronson! I saw them here in Atlanta and they were great. One of my favorite artists of all time.

By Braveheart

March 18, 2007 12:24 PM | Link to this

waiting two or three hours would drive me nuts as well. that is pretty disrespectful. that sort of experience can make even the most patient man homicidal. Beware the fury of a patient man.

By Carolina Lady

March 18, 2007 12:29 PM | Link to this

jjs, you are hilarious and I love it! :-))

Yep. I’m a thing of beauty, I am! (Or not.) Got a Popeye squint. Look like I have the world’s biggest chaw in my cheek. A purple-red splotch from my eye almost to my jaw. Have learned that a comfortable sleeping position does not exist when half your face is hors de combat. Pictures are being taken at the church today. I will not be present. Everybody wants to know “What HAPPENED??” and I’m beginning to feel great sympathy for Chipper! Would like to use his “No comment. At all.” Think he’d mind? :-)

By David O'Brien

March 18, 2007 12:58 PM | Link to this

Andruw’s a late scratch with a sore right shoulder. Nothing major….

Gonna see a lot of the kids play today in this split-squad game vs. Tigers, including prospect Brandon Jones in RF. And yes, Elvis is in the building. Elvis Andrus is here, and the 18-year-old shortstop should get some playing time.

Wooward at 2B and lleading off, Prado playing 3B and hitting third. Langy replaces Andruw, Willie Harris is in LF, Wilson at 1B.

Aybar made the trip to Sarasota for the other split squad game, and Francoeur was the biggest of the names to make that trip.

By David O'Brien

March 18, 2007 1:01 PM | Link to this

3Trees, someone yelled “Free Bird” when everyone was shouting requests at Lucinda the other night here in Orlando. She laughed and said, “I’m gonna learn to play Free Bird. It’s a great song.” And you could tell she meant it. She’s a woman of impeccable taste.

By N8......."It's ALL good!"

March 18, 2007 1:04 PM | Link to this

Coach

You said this about HoRam:

“Horacio Ramirez : 3 starts 1 win 0 losses 12 innings 5 hits 2 earned runs 3 walks 4 strikeouts and a 1.50 ERA.”

I’m not going to argue with you using MY OPINION on this trade, anymore.

But I have 2 uncles that live in Seattle and have been season ticket holders since 1982 (when they had LESS people in the seats than the Braves did in the late 80’s - 2000-4000 nightly in attendance, YIKES!). I recently spoke to one of them last week and NEITHER of them, nor the city of Seattle, is excited about that deal for the Mariners.

That doesn’t mean that HoRam won’t have success and couldn’t change ALL of their minds with a good season. I think it has more to do with the fact that they LOVED Soriano.

I think we’ll be fine without HoRam, and that’s ALL I’m gonna say about it.

L8R

By 3trees

March 18, 2007 1:29 PM | Link to this

DOB - Well since it was my first time seeing her (yes, I admit it), I can agree, she’s NEVER surly. She seemed truly appreciative of how well the songs were received. UH, hello, Lucinda, you’ve got a house FULL of people who love you and your tunes. Still, very nice to see her acknowledge that. Set list seem to echo the one that you posted a few days ago. Surprising was the fact she had a music stand and a notebook with the words next to her. Our friends said they’d never seen her do that before. They KILLED Drunken Angel (Pettibone on harp & Rick 12string) and Cresent City (Pettibone on Les Paul Special). Too good!

By Robert (Justice Is The Best)

March 18, 2007 1:34 PM | Link to this

This is only spring training, I know. But, is anyone else encouraged by Francoeur’s play. These ajustments that he made to his stance really seem to be helping. No, he hasn’t drawn a walk yet, but he seems to be more focused at the plate and is understanding he can’t just pull everything or hit it back up the gut.

I heard Bob Brenly say something very interesting during a Cubs telecast yesterday. He said he thinks one of the most ridiculous notions in baseball is that you can make a patient hitter suddenly become aggressive and a too aggressive hitter suddenly become patient. He said it is in a guy’s nature to be one or the other. What a good coach will do is to not force them to go against their natural tendencies but to help them hone those tendencies and utilize their positives to their utmost ability. He said in other words you teach an aggressive hitter to be more selective, recognize pitchers sooner, and adjust their stance if it will help the other two things.

Sounds like to me that is what Frenchy has done.

By Robert

March 18, 2007 1:44 PM | Link to this

562

By David O'Brien

March 18, 2007 1:48 PM | Link to this

McCann absolutely crushed a home run that cleared the right-field bullpen and landed on the trunk of scouting guru Paul Snyder’s Lexus. Had to have been at least 420 feet.

By Robert (Justice Is The Best)

March 18, 2007 1:53 PM | Link to this

For all the ripping that Gary Sheffield has taken on this blog and I’m guilty of some of it, he isn’t the devil we all want to make him out to be. This morning he was on XM Home Plate and he was asked about his time in Atlanta. Sheffield said that he thought the world of Bobby Cox. He said he learned so much during his time here. He said Cox taught him how to be a man, how to take responsibility, and how to handle certain situations. He said Cox never treats you like you are beneath him but makes it quite clear that he runs the show. He listens to everybody and values their input.

That is pretty high praise if you ask me. Sheff said all along that he would have preferred to stay in Atlanta and the Yanks were the only other team he would consider. JS’ policy of not negotiating contracts during the season bit him (like it did with Furcal) and irked Sheff a bit. And, the Yanks offered more than the Braves could.

Sheff can be selfish and a jerk but let’s give the devil his due. He handled that situation in NY a lot better than pre-Brave Sheff would have. He was willing to play wherever the Torre wanted to put him. Remember this is the same guy who demanded out of Milwaukee because they wanted him to play 3B (the position he came through the minors at). The man got shafted. I can’t blame Cashman for what he did because he made a good baseball move just like he did with Bernie. However, it still doesn’t take away the fact that it was kind of a “low-ball” thing to do….just like with Bernie.

By David O'Brien

March 18, 2007 1:53 PM | Link to this

At the other split-squad game at Sarasota vs. Reds, Francoeur hit a two-run homer in the first inning and Kelly Johnson a solo homer in the third.

By krath

March 18, 2007 2:12 PM | Link to this

Hiya Lew! Just been a busy winter. Stuck my head in the door here a few times….posted little….lurked mostly.

Braveheart… One of the articles I read on the oblique strain rash mentioned the premise that it may have always been around but labeled something else. But the author went on to dispel that theory by citing numerous medical experts from the pro athletics field whose opinion it was that this injury is a bit different than what may have been labeled various other type strains in the past.

It seems to be popular opinion that this is a unique and new phenomena that has only appeared in baseball in recent years.

By Andy

March 18, 2007 2:14 PM | Link to this

Mr. O’Brien, I know you said earlier its possible the Braves make a deal in the next week or so. Who is most likely to be dealt in your opinion? I know its obvious we have an excess of middle infield talent. Escobar for young pitching talent? We aren’t going to trade Prado or Lillibridge, obviously. Oddly, the Braves really don’t have any dire needs anywhere right now. If we did make a deal, I would hope it would be to stock up on young pitching talent. Thanks for your thoughts.

By ElbravoX

March 18, 2007 2:16 PM | Link to this

DOB- Two games to update us, you rule. How much Spanish is heard in the dugout? I sometimes hear what I think is Spanish, but I am not sure. Hudson just topped 94 mph, never seeing that from him. I hear an oblique popping.

By Robert (Justice Is The Best)

March 18, 2007 2:22 PM | Link to this

It looks like Francoeur may be ready to become the superstar most of us believe and hope he will be and that Hudson is ready for the season. All of that doom and gloom Tuesday night seems to be an example of premature panic.

By Braveheart

March 18, 2007 2:23 PM | Link to this

Sheffield came up as a shortstop, didn’t he? And he was angry that they were making him play third base and he would intentionally throw balls into the stands behind first base as retribution back when he was a youngun with the Brewers from the stories I have read over the years. Sheffield just never keeps his mouth shut. He was on pretty good behavior while here but he did speak up a few times about money. Then when he got to the Yankees and got a $13 mil contract that no one else would pay him, he was already complaining after the first year about the contract. The next year he complained as well. There was also those infamous comments telling everyone that he was the real leader on the Yankees and not Derek Jeter. That does not win you any fans in New York. If he did not like the contract terms, then he can only blame his agent. Oh, that’s right, he is too smart for an agent. He negotiates his own contracts. Sheffield is a very good player but he greatly overrates how good he is.

By Robert (Justice Is The Best)

March 18, 2007 2:25 PM | Link to this

Prado keeps raking. It is going to be very hard to keep this guy off the roster. I do wonder at this point what he really could bring in a trade. He is ready to play 2B everyday, but nobody really needs a 2B.

By JC FROM UT

March 18, 2007 2:46 PM | Link to this

DOB: Have you heard anything about trying to tie up McCann and/or Francouer? Also is there any possibility that Chipper starts season on DL and if so will Escober be the third baseman?

By N8......."It's ALL good!"

March 18, 2007 2:47 PM | Link to this

I’m gonna go on the record with 2 comments. Both opinions are “flips” of my feelings from about 2 weeks ago.

1) Tim Hudson may actually have found whatever it was he was looking for. The only question is whether he found it in a town where the streets have names or not?

2)Oscar is beginning to worry me. I know that Bobby likes him because of his “rubber arm”, but Remlinger had a rubber arm too. The question at hand is this: WHO CARES if you can pitch everyday if you can’t do it effectively? Wouldn’t that make your ability to pitch everyday, more of a hinderance, than that of benefit?

Back to #1. If Hudson, is “back”, and Chuck James doesn’t have a sophomore slump, along with Smoltz being Smoltz. Then I really don’t care WHAT we get out of our 4th and 5th spot in the rotation…..we’ll be JUST FINE.

I realize it’s JUST spring training, but 2 of the prized pieces of the “new and improved” bullpen (Oscar and Gonzalez), have looked (sounded) shaky AT BEST, so far, and that is beginning to make me a bit nervous.

Thoughts, DOB.

By David O'Brien

March 18, 2007 2:49 PM | Link to this

Brandon Jones _ he’s got the surname for Braves success, right? _ hit a two-run homer in the sixth inning after making a nice catch at the warning track in the first name. He’ll be at Double-A this year, but could be a factor within two years. He’s 23.

Wilson can at least make a good throw from 90 feet. After a Tiger beat out an infield hit in the seventh, Wilson threw home strong to nail the runner trying to score. Woodward alerted him to the guy racing home.

By Oddjob

March 18, 2007 2:58 PM | Link to this

DOB I can’t say I agree on your pick of Texas over UNC.The horns are dangerous with Durant and some good support,but the heels are more complete and should be able to limit Durant enough for a win.My head says the gators are the favorites by a nose with Kansas and Carolina tied just behind the hated gators.

By eric the elder

March 18, 2007 2:59 PM | Link to this

Shouldn’t young Mr. Schuerholz be seeking an internship in old Mr. Schuerholz’s office? He’s 26 years old, batted .125 last year, and is going nowhere. With the glut of good middle infielders, he ought to see the handwriting on the wall and think about a management position.

By Lew

March 18, 2007 3:02 PM | Link to this

DOB-I saw Brandon Jones hit the other night and was impressed. He went down and got a low, outside pitch and hit it the other way for a nice double. He put a good swing on a pitch he shouldn’t have been able to drive as well as he did and would have popped it up if he had tried to pull it. Maybe the kid has a clue at the plate. Nathan-Haven’t you learned that, good or bad, Spring Training stats don’t mean (as Jefferson Airplane once put it), sh!t to a tree? How many times have you seen players who lit it up in the spring get off to slow starts and vice versa? It’s just a time to get yourself into playing shape and ready for the regular season. That’s why it doesn’t count. It’s likely why BC is taking no chances with Chipper or Hampton. Why let them aggravate a minor injury and let it linger for the season all for games that don’t mean………?

By Braveheart

March 18, 2007 3:07 PM | Link to this

Lew, I downloaded those Thin Lizzy songs you were talking about and ended up buying the greatest hits as well. You and DOB were right, that is some damn good stuff. I also downloaded some of the Stiff Little Fingers stuff, which is really good. I really like their version of Grandmaster Flash’s The Message among many other songs I’ve just downloaded. As for Elvis Costello, I know it is my loss, but for whatever reason, I just can’t get into that guy. I have had various friends over the year try to enlighten me about Costello but for whatever I just can’t get into it. Not hip enough I guess. I don’t know. But I will say that anyone I know who knows really good music will agree with those of you who rave about the guy.

By JC FROM UT

March 18, 2007 3:08 PM | Link to this

DOB: What’s up with Buddy Carlyle? I dont’t see how his numbers can be ignorned but how does he fit in with the #’s game in the bullpen?

By Sir Stealth

March 18, 2007 3:10 PM | Link to this

Francoeur’s success has definitely been the under the radar story of this spring training. Hopefully the way he’s playing will translate to the regular season more than bullpen issues or Chipper injuries.

By David O'Brien

March 18, 2007 3:11 PM | Link to this

JC, no, I’ve asked and gotten no indication they’re trying to lock up Frency and McCann yet, but mainly because of the ownership transition.

And no, I see almost no chance Chipper opens season on DL _ at least not because of this injury.

By Lew

March 18, 2007 3:15 PM | Link to this

Braveheart-If you can find it, Thin Lizzy’s “Alive and Dangerous” is the CD to buy. It has almost all their great songs on it and is a killer set. The version of the song “Suicide” is particularly good. Try Amazon-They could well have a used copy ultra cheap. I don’t know if you can find it to download it or not. I’m afraid I’m a fossil that would rather have the Wall Of Music in my studio. IPOD’s don’t do it for me, but then I don’t move around like DOB does with all of his travel.

By Jay

March 18, 2007 3:19 PM | Link to this

“Just sitting here enjoying a cigar and some watermelon on a warm, humid Florida day by the pool on the rental-house patio with the new Albert Hammond Jr. CD playing on the rental-house CD player.”

What a rough job. How DOES he do it?

By Oddjob

March 18, 2007 3:19 PM | Link to this

I’m watching Mcbride on the tube,it look’s to me like his delivery is a bit truncated.He has Smoltz who should be a template for a big guy like him,even better for his body type is Clemens.A case can be made for if it aint broke don’t fix it,but it just looks like he’s not getting all he could with some follow through.Also most durable pitchers have good mechanics.

By KC

March 18, 2007 3:33 PM | Link to this

N8: Agreed. If Hudson can turn 2006 into nothing more than a bad dream, and Chuck James simply picks up where he left off last year… We’ll be as solid 1-3 as any team in baseball. With this bullpen… that’d be more than enough to be among the league leaders in team ERA (in either league).

Did anyone else notice that he looked better out of the stretch today? I think all 3 of his strikeouts were out of the stretch, and he seemed to really locate the ball better out of the stretch. Anyway, good day for Hudson… and that means it was a good day for the Braves cuz he’s the key this year.

By ncscoots

March 18, 2007 3:50 PM | Link to this

Oddjob, in a word…huh? McBride kept the ball below the belt, snapped off a couple of very good breaking balls, and, in general, centered his follow-through with regularity. You can’t do that if you’re releasing early. Think we must have been watching different guys.

On the other hand, if you thought McBride was truncating, I hate to consider what you think of Chuck James’ delivery, LOL!

By Yars

March 18, 2007 4:12 PM | Link to this

DOB…..with only 12 games left in spring training, how long before Bobby announces who his opening day 2B, LF, & 1B will be?

By Oddjob

March 18, 2007 4:19 PM | Link to this

ncscoots Is that nc for North Carolina/ I live in Black Mountain nc.To answer you yes Mcbride looked to release a bit early and to the side.As for James that’s a little like comparing Gene Garbers release to Steve Carltons,the foundation difference makes any comparison weak.

By Jared

March 18, 2007 4:20 PM | Link to this

Regarding that trade that O’Brien talking about could possibly be forthcoming; it has to be a second baseman. From a recent Schuerholz interview on talkingchop.com:

“Martin Gandy: Those were some great trades. With the experience you had with your bullpen last year, do you think you’re going to repeat that with second base and leadoff this year - the approach of filling from with in, of making do with the guys you have on hand even though they might not be experienced in that role. JOHN SCHUERHOLZ: Unless we make a deal, which may happen, who knows. But right now Thorman and one of these kids, Kelly Johnson or Prado, are likely going to be the starters at those two positions. The way they play, you just go back and look at their records, and we have all the confidence in the world they’re going to do the job for us.”

With a surplus on the bench, infield (aside from second), the bullpen, starters and outfields, it’s got to be a second baseman. But which one? Who goes? Another infielder (Escorbar?) Outfielder (Diaz?) One of the non-main three bullpen arms?

Kelly Johnson won’t be happy if the Braves trade….

By Coach

March 18, 2007 4:35 PM | Link to this

All you guys who wanted to trade Hudson , go ahead and kick yourselves. I spent the entire off season defending the guy and now I’m looking pretty smart ain’t I ?

By Yars

March 18, 2007 4:36 PM | Link to this

If the Braves do make a trade, either Orr or Prado will be dealt, I think. I doubt a lot of teams would be interested in Kelly Johnson since he missed all of last season and is learning a new position. Prado isn’t an everyday player, atleast the Braves don’t think he is. However, he would be a valuable asset coming off the bench. Whether as a pinch runner, or a late inning defensive replacement. According to Bobby, he can even play some OF. Prado is having a hot spring, but like most of you have stated, that don’t mean nothing. Matt Diaz is only hitting .214, but I wouldn’t look too much into it. Spring training stats aren’t really newsworthy.

By Oddjob

March 18, 2007 4:55 PM | Link to this

Yars Didn’t Cox say Prado is an everyday player? Maybe it was somebody else he was talking about but I think it was Prado.

By Coach

March 18, 2007 4:56 PM | Link to this

Smoltz , Hudson , James , Davies and Cormier have a cumulative 55 innings 14 earned runs and sum total 2.29 ERA , not bad fella’s , not bad at all. And Redman , he of the 5.14 ERA…..yuck !

By Robert

March 18, 2007 4:56 PM | Link to this

To chime in about Horacio Ramirez - the guy has 248 walks and 200 K’s in 521.3 big league innings. If he does something for someone, thats wonderful for them. He was totally expendable, and is the embodiment of starting pitcher mediocrity

By Sir Stealth

March 18, 2007 4:57 PM | Link to this

Coach, I never wanted to trade Hudson and think he’s gonna have a great year, but let’s wait til the regular season before we start to get too excited about it. A certain Winston Wolfe quote comes to mind…

By Greg in TN

March 18, 2007 5:11 PM | Link to this

DOB As Bobby would say about Aybar and the DL, “No, no, no”. I have to say that I really like the alternate (Sunday) hats with the A and the tomahawk through it, but green should stay on Boston Celtic uniforms and far away from ours. Maybe green bases? I did like the shamrocks in the infield dirt.

Big time outing from Tim Hudson today. His work today is very encouraging and with some of the negative things that have happened this week, this is just what the doctor ordered. I too am a little more concerned with Villareal after giving up a couple of more earned runs today. Frenchy seems to be rolling right along today with a homer and an outfield assist in throwing a runner out trying to advance to second base.

By Braveheart

March 18, 2007 5:12 PM | Link to this

The braves were 24-31 in Horam’s last 55 starts over the last 3 years. No big loss.

By Fury

March 18, 2007 5:30 PM | Link to this

DOB What in the world do the Braves see in Davies. He is not a ML pitcher in my eyes. EVER! What do you really think about his make up? I hope they will trade him while he has some value. Thanks for your feedback!!!

By Oddjob

March 18, 2007 5:39 PM | Link to this

I’m watching the basketball tournament,if Kentucky can upset Kansas we’ll have four sec east teams in the sweet sixteen.Who woulda thunk it? I remember an article in the ajc maybe six weeks back questioning if the sec would have more than one out of sixtyfour(FLA).DOB it looks like that Texas UNC game might not happen,it’s early but right now it’s USC by nine.

By Lew

March 18, 2007 5:46 PM | Link to this

And to think that when I stated that Cormier should be the fifth starter this offseason, I was held up to ridicule. Doesn’t look like anyone’s laughing, anymore, does it?

By N8......."It's ALL good!"

March 18, 2007 5:54 PM | Link to this

Coach

You said:

“All you guys who wanted to trade Hudson , go ahead and kick yourselves. I spent the entire off season defending the guy and now I’m looking pretty smart ain’t I ?”

Now earlier in the day I expressed that I may be willing to “flip” my opinon of Hudson. It APPEARS as though, he’s back on track. But I need to see a HELL OF A LOT MORE than a few weeks of spring training games to say “he’s back!” (last year he had a 3.75 ERA in 24 IP in spring training - where did that OTHER run come from to give him a 4.86 ERA at years end?)

Not to mention, at the dollar ammount that he is signed for after this season, anything LESS than 20 wins and a sub 4.00 ERA (preferably 3.50 or less), and I’ll still consider him to be overpaid and NOT a good fit with our budget. So PULEEEEEEEEEEEEZ, get off your high horse with the “I’m looking pretty smart now, ain’t I” comment.

So get back to me after the 2008 season and let me know if we should’ve gotten rid of him when the opportunity was there.

By Lew

March 18, 2007 6:06 PM | Link to this

Nathan-I agree with you about the verdict on Hudson (ain’t that amzing-I agree with you?)….. except for one thing. He is getting a lot of ground ball outs and strikeouts, which he did not do last year. Now I’m aware the hitting ain’t what it will be when we get to for real, but it does indicate that his sinker is sinking. That is VERY significant. It did not sink last year. His workouts have apparently led to a minor mechanical change.

By Coach

March 18, 2007 6:28 PM | Link to this

N8 , your consistently wrong. Not because you want to discuss a subject but because you just want to argue , argue ,argue. Your worse than than an old hen pecked rooster. Go find a tree stump or a stop sign and have fun.

By Jim

March 18, 2007 6:38 PM | Link to this

We can’t trade either of the Joneses. We’re not going to trade Francouer or McCann. We won’t trade Smoltz. We’re not likely to trade Hudson or James or any of the big-3 in the pen; and we probably can’t trade Hampton. We’re not likely to trade McBride. That leaves Davies, Cormier, Thorman, Langy, Diaz, Johnson, Prado, Escobar, T. Pena, B. Pena, Yates, Paronto, Boyer, and Villareal. Would any of these players bring anything other than equal value in return?

It does not make sense that the Braves would spend the entire winter making KJ into a 2B and then give up on the idea when he has shown that he can be at least adequate in the role, and when Prado has shown that he can be a reasonable fall-back choice. The only meaningful trade that I could envision would be the Salty, Escobar, and Davies for Baldelli trade that never happened earlier — and I would hesitate (decline) to make that trade now as Escobar has shown he could be our future at 3B, and even if Davies is the odd man out in the starting rotation at the start of the season, he may be a contributor in the rotation before the end of the season. You can never have too much pitching!

If we really do have more bullpen arms than we need, maybe a trade with the RedSox can bring back a top prospect. But we won’t know what we have in the pen until we get part way into the season.

By jeff l.

March 18, 2007 6:40 PM | Link to this

obrien- next time you are in milwaukee covering the braves why dont you try taking in downtown - especially the east side. Seems by your recent foolish comments you are going bowling or to public library on wisconsin ave- foolish comments are ok obrien but ignorant ones are not- if need be obrien why dont ask for a local to drag you around by the hand so you can visit some nice places instead of eating tuna salad sandwhiches in your hotel and blogging and than claiming downtown milwaukee is the pits. for God sake go to the potowatomi casino and have a good time instead of dissing a good town.

By Lew

March 18, 2007 6:44 PM | Link to this

Jim-Also, the way Langerhans has been hitting this spring, combined with his defense and our apparnet need to replace Andruw next year, I would assume he is going nowhere, either. Diaz, on the other hand…..

By Lew

March 18, 2007 6:48 PM | Link to this

Keep in mind the possibility of next year, bringing Prado up to play second, moving Langerhans to center and Kelly JOhnson back to left. All of a sudden, we have a serviceable, pretty good hitting and defensive outfield for damn little money. Just think about the possibilities. I’m not saying this is what will happen, but it would allow us to spend the money to resign Smoltz and maybe grab another starter. Factor in that Harrison will probably be ready and all of a sudden future life looks intriguing. It will also bridge the gap until Lillibridge and Brandon Jones are ready in two years.

By Lew

March 18, 2007 6:51 PM | Link to this

Jeff-I also like Milwaukee. Now I haven’t been there for several years and maybe it has changed, but when there for GenCon, there was a major homeless problem downtown. Like I said, maybe it’s better, but it was damned uncomfortable running the downtown gauntlet a few years ago.

By Coach

March 18, 2007 6:59 PM | Link to this

Braveheart , you conveniently left out Horam’s 2003 season. Since you tried and failed to skewer his real numbers , I’ll give them to you straight. From 2003-2006 he went 30-22 , the team went 45-41 and he made 49 quality starts vs. 35 non -quality starts. The guy won , the team won. So , what part of a winning pitcher do you seem to have a problem with ?

By Fury

March 18, 2007 6:59 PM | Link to this

Jeff, I tell you, I love Miller Park. Cleanest ballpark in the States. I recommend that all baseball fans take a trip to catch a game there!!!

By N8......."It's ALL good!"

March 18, 2007 7:01 PM | Link to this

Coach

“N8 , your consistently wrong.”*

About what? My OPINION?!?!

Were my 2006 Tim Hudson spring training stats vs. his regular season stats “incorrect”. Or do you just let what you “wish” happens/happened TRUMP reality?

Was I trying to ARGUE with you by telling you what my uncles both thought about LOSING Rafael Soriano (regardless of which “version” of HoRam shows up)? Just sharing some comments from two guys who are as passionate about the Mariners as all of us are about the Braves (who also happen to have looked up HoRams stats and aren’t too excited about his “upside” since that’s a term you like to throw around.

Did you NOT see the post earlier in the day, where I was saying it “looks like” Tim Hudson has found what he had lost (including and NOT limited to the bad U2 references made within the post)? Was I trying to argue there?

In my last post to you, I was SIMPLY suggesting that you be should be careful patting yourself on the back with your “Miss Cleo” like prognosticating, and perhaps let the season play out before you ask people to begin “kicking themselves” over disagreeing with your brilliance.

But I guess, since we’re in the middle of using spring training stats to predict great regular seasons. It looks as though Jeff Francoeur has found his “patience” and willingness to take the ball the other way, he’s an instant MVP candidate, righ? Amazing that ESPN hasn’t picked up on that yet, dontcha’ think?

I mean I read a story somewhere recently stating that the Braves pitchers are the only ones that “don’t worry” about getting people out in the spring. They work on stretching their arms out, new pitches and basically just screw around until the bell rings. ALL OTHER TEAMS are treating all of the spring training games like the 7th game of the World Series. So Francoeur’s new found “adjustments” couldn’t possibly be ANYTHING but an offseason of hard work, could it?

Lew

That is a GREAT sign that Hudson’s sinker is working. Location was the leading issue, IMO, to his inability to “put hitters away”. If that is the case, that can’t be anything but good news. But this is a what have you done for me lately business. I’ll believe it when I see it…..for real.

BTW Coach

Since you obviously WON’T have the stones to come out and admit you were wrong (if indeed you are wrong about Hudson, or even the Davies/Cormier dual for the rotation), I’ll be the first person stating praise to you for having faith in Hudson when many (including myself, obviously), haven’t. I have NO PROBLEM admitting when I’m wrong with a prediction.

But I also make predictions, based on the most recent REGULAR SEASON numbers as opposed to using something deep in the past. And I’m sorry to say….the most recent track record on Tim Hudson in the regular season is mediocre AT BEST.

By Oddjob

March 18, 2007 7:02 PM | Link to this

DOB So who do you like in the USC vs UNC matchup?

By Lew

March 18, 2007 7:07 PM | Link to this

Coach-I really don’t want to get into it with you, but 45-41 is barely .500. It also means that if Horacio specifically didn’t win or lose the game, the Braves went 15-19 and were more likely than not going to lose the game (like those 1 2/3 inning stints). I’m sorry, I always liked Horacio, but that is average at best. It is hardly top of the rotation material, but maybe 4th or 5th starter stuff. He had a good rookie season and that was about all.

By N8......."It's ALL good!"

March 18, 2007 7:09 PM | Link to this

Coach

I’ll give you this much, when referring to the HoRam/Soriano trade.

The need to have MORE dominant bullpen guys was minimized by dumping HoRam. See the reason we needed more bullpen guys in the past was due to short starts (either due to ineffectiveness or injury) by guys like HoRam, Thomson, Hampton and others, including you prescious Hudson.

So by replacing Hampton with Redman (as far as innings goes), and cutting ties with Thomson and HoRam, not to metnion having Davies start the season at AAA, will effectively relieve our bullpen from being taxed so much.

So, having said that, it may have made MORE sense to hang on to HoRam and include a GOOD pitcher in the trade for Soriano. Because if our rotation improves as far as innings pitched, the need for Soriano WON’T BE AS GREAT.

:-)

By Oddjob

March 18, 2007 7:16 PM | Link to this

BTW Why is everybody acting like it’s mid-season and we know what Hudson is going to do? I like what he’s doing so far but let’s get real here.The problems have been mostly about stamina and injuries,So what is it we know now to answer these questions? I’m a glass half full guy but the game hasn’t even started,so we’ll see what happens.

By Jim

March 18, 2007 7:20 PM | Link to this

Lew, you can’t have it both ways. You can’t be telling everyone that spring training numbers are meaningless, then use Langy’s springtime performance as an indication of how he will hit in the regular season. I too expect Langerhans to have a much better offensive performance this year than last, but right now it’s little more than the irrational exuberance of a fan. Also, if Prado is not the answer at 2B this year, he’s not likely to be the answer there next year. If KJ plays an adequate 2B this year and hits as the Braves expect him too, then he IS the 2Bman of the (near) future. As a LFer he was a below average defender. The combination of Prado at 2B, KJ in LF, and Langy in CF does not seem anywhere close to Andruw in CF, Langy in LF, and KJ at 2B that we have this year.

By Braveheart

March 18, 2007 7:27 PM | Link to this

yes, 2003 was left out. Is the last 3 years of a man’s career not enough of a sample size to let you know that if you can get yourself a decent relief pitcher, you do it? 2003 was great. i was excited as anyone by Horam. But, I mean come on, already? Injury after injury after injury for 3 years and an overall team record of 24-31 over a 3 year span when he started? That’s not leaving facts out. 3 years is enough of a sample size for me. They were 20-10 or so in 2003, you’re absolutely right. 24-31 since. If a hitter hit 30 home runs in 2003 but only gave the team 10 or so home runs for the past three years, he’d be gone as well. Anyways, a 45-41 record for a team trying to compete for the playoffs is simply not acceptable. That is fourth or fifth starter stuff. Fourth or fifth starters are ultimately expendable if they only give you a 45-41 record and 24-31 over the past 3 years. Our bullpen was weak. We needed to get better out there. We got better as a result of trading him. in addition, he exacerbated the problems with the pen at times with his inability to go very deep in to games. I understand your love for Horam though because I can be just as irrational about the Betemit trade and I liked Horam as well. But when it was all said and done 2003 felt like nothing more than a tease to me. Time to move on.

By N8......."It's ALL good!"

March 18, 2007 7:32 PM | Link to this

Coach

All sarcasm and arguing aside. (just this once. LOL!)

I agree with Lew. After his rookie year, HoRam was mediocre at best. Now some people may take offense to referring to somebody they like as being mediocre. When I use it, it is not intended to be an insult. Some guys perform ABOVE average. Others perform below it. When I say somebody was/is mediocre, I’m basically stating that they are average. Not BAD, not GREAT. Now that doesn’t mean that they are immune to HORRIBLE performances, but at the same time they are not immune to GREAT performances either.

HoRam had some GREAT starts. But for you to deny that he had some HORRIBLE ones, is just maddening to me. Then when you take the AVERAGE of what a particular pitcher does, that is when you determine his ability/worth. Because one could argue that Smoltz has had horrible starts as well. I agree, he has. But you’re gonna get many more GREAT starts vs. bad ones. That’s not even my opinion, IT’S FACT!!!

I could see why you are so upset/confused at the trade for Soriano. But it’s not like we gave up Smoltz for him, right? We gave up a mediocre pitcher (with a pretty LOUSY track record when it comes to health), for a guy that could (stress could) end up being a LIGHTS OUT CLOSER for us for a few years. Because clearly EVEN YOU have to see that Soriano has a better chance of being a dominant closer than HoRam has of being anything above a #3 starter in anybody but the D-Rays rotation.

JS was right, IMO, of his assesment of that trade. The odds of replacing HoRam’s mediocre results the last couple of years, are much greater than HOPING he finds a dominant relief pitcher already in the organization.

By Coach

March 18, 2007 7:40 PM | Link to this

Again please. what part of a winner do you bunch of wannabe fans seem to have a problem with ? Horam won more than he lost , the same is true with Hudson. N8 , you would rather have Mark Redman(64-76 losing record) than Horam(30-22 winning record) Dude , you are seriously funny and still wrong. By the way , ask your uncle how many championships the Mariners have won ?

By Coach

March 18, 2007 7:51 PM | Link to this

According to N8 , Horam is a mediocre winner , WOW ! what a statement. I’m laughing myself silly. I have no problem with Soriano at all. IF , Horam is healthy , the Mariners get 12-16 wins and 180-200 innings , an ERA right around four runs and 30 plus starts. The Brave will get 50-55 solid relief innings from Soriano. I was against this trade , I still am and thats it.

By KC

March 18, 2007 8:03 PM | Link to this

Oddjob: “BTW Why is everybody acting like it’s mid-season and we know what Hudson is going to do? I like what he’s doing so far but let’s get real here.The problems have been mostly about stamina and injuries,So what is it we know now to answer these questions? I’m a glass half full guy but the game hasn’t even started,so we’ll see what happens.”

You’re correct. It is only the spring. However, I disagree that Hudson’s problems have been mostly about stamina and injuries.

First of all, he was healthy last season. That wasn’t his problem in 2006. And while he was hampered with that oblique problem in 2004 & 2005, he still managed to post very good ERA’s of 3.53 and 3.52 those seasons.

As for the stamina… yes, it was an issue, but it was far from his greatest issue. Most of the problems he had in late innings had to do with what happened early in those games. Hudson was getting hit far more last year than he ever had in his career, which meant by the time the 6th inning roled around… he’d already exerted as much effort as he used to put forth in eight innings or more.

His velocity was down heading into the stretch run last year, which was I think the product of what had been bay far the longest season of his career to that point.

Tim Hudson wore down early in games primarily because hitters were wearing him out like never before. conditioning may have had something to do with it (and he worked hard in that department over the winter), but for the most part… if he’s pitching closer to the Hudson of old than the Hudson of 2006, he won’t be worn out in the 5th, 6th, 7th innings very often this year.

And of course, with this bullpen, the ability to pitch deep into ballgames won’t be nearly as important as it was last year anyway.

Stamina isn’t Tim Hudson’s biggest issue. Not by a country mile. Hudson just has to have his have his sinker and changup working, and locate his pitches (unlike last year). It’s as simple as that.

It’s only the spring, but so far, so good.

By Coach

March 18, 2007 8:11 PM | Link to this

I’ll put this way , with Horam the Braves win the division. Without him they are just another wild card contender. Feel free to argue. However , I believe I’m right. Just like last season when I pulled the plug on the Braves at the end of May and predicted they would miss the playoffs(Yes I was right , Gammons was wrong , so was Hershiser) and nobody believed me. The Braves have a team that is more than capable of winning 90 games. Smoltz , Hudson and James are money. the rest of the rotation is a big mystery at the moment. Get back to me at the end of May(yea I have the stones to call it and get it right lew)and I will be able to make a prediction as to whether or not this team makes the playoffs.

By Braveheart

March 18, 2007 8:17 PM | Link to this

So, what were we supposed to do? Pay him and pray that he makes at least 20 starts and gets past the sixth inning but keep the same pen we had last year?

Kevin Millwood’s teams are 47-42 over the last 3 years when he has started, 64-60 since he left. The Braves were 101-62 when Millwood started for them while he was here.

It is reasonable to foresee that Horam’s winning % will decrease just like Millwood’s decreased after he left because I don’t think you would seriously argue that Horam is as good as Millwood.

By N8......."It's ALL good!"

March 18, 2007 8:23 PM | Link to this

Coach

You said:

*”By the way , ask your uncle how many championships the Mariners have won ?”

That is so IGNORANT in more ways than one. First of all, they have exactly ONE LESS championship than the ATLANTA Braves have had. Woopity Do!

Second of all, are you assuming that because a team hasn’t won any titles, their fans are ignorant? I would assume then, that you are willing to admit, you didn’t know ANYTHING before 1995, right?

That’s YOUR last mulligan.

As for me “rather wanting Redman than HoRam”. Nope. Again it’s you not READING. I never said “I WOULD RATHER HAVE REDMAN OVER HORAM”

What I DID say, is:

“So by replacing Hampton with Redman (as far as innings goes)…”

You see, since I was personally expecting Hampton to return this year (and be effective, IF HEALTHY), I never did assume he’d be able to give us any more innings than a decent 5th starter, due to working his stamina back. So that is why I said Redman is replacing Hampton.

HoRam was ALWAYS (as long as Bobby had a say) be the 3 or 4 starter in the rotation. He is NOT #3 material. PERIOD.

But let’s assume that your were right, in saying I wanted to replace Redman with HoRam. Since I like to use RECENT history as evidence, we’ll use Redmans last 4 years. YUP. I’m even gonna give you and HoRam the benefit of the doubt and include his impressive 2003 season.

Redman since 2003:

41-46 record, 727 IP, with a 4.69 ERA

HoRam since 2003:

30-22 record, 521 IP, with a 4.13 ERA

HoRam winning percentage FAR outweighs Redman’s, I’ll admit that. Even though there is ONLY a half a run difference in their ERA’s over the four years.

So if one digs a little deeper you could find that in the four years that HoRam was a Brave, they averaged 91.5 victories. The four teams that Redman has played for (Marlins, A’s, Pirates and Royals), have averaged 77 victories per season.

Ya think that maybe, JUST MAYBE, HoRam was on the better team during that stretch?

Now not to make you think that I am neglecting that a TEAM results are the net of it’s individual results (meaning that maybe one of the reasons the Pirates and Royals weren’t good was due to Redman being in their rotation), that may very well be the case.

But then due to innings pitched (or lack there of), one also could make a reasonible arguement that HoRam had VERY LITTLE to do with the results the Braves had as a team.

For me the MOST IMPORTANT stat that applies to the current needs of the Braves, is the IP. 727 to 521 is HUGE.

How much better off (and more effective when it mattered) would our bullpen have been last year with 167 IP from Redman vs. 76.33 IP from HoRam??? Think about it. 100 LESS INNINGS OUR BULLPEN WOULD’VE HAD TO HAVE PITCHED!!!!

Redman has 120 starts since 2003, HoRam has made 89. That’s about 8 more starts per year that Redman has BEEN AVAILABLE than HoRam (with ONLY half a run higher ERA). Are you REALLY gonna still sit there and say how much MORE valuble HoRam was to us than Redman WILL BE as an innings eater?

By Lew

March 18, 2007 8:25 PM | Link to this

Jim-I certainly don’t expect Langerhans to hit over .400 based on his spring numbers. However, I don’t know if you realize or not, but I have been on the Langerhans bandwagon ever since he’s been up. I thought he should be the left fielder last year and I have thought so all this winter, too. I DO expect him to hit about .280, though. I’ve always thought this. He is also one of the best defensive outfielders in baseball. I’m not trying to have it both ways, but you’ve got to admit he’s doing everything possible to convince the powers that be. While spring numbers don’t equate to success during the year, I’d rather see him hitting .400 now than .214.

By JC FROM UT

March 18, 2007 8:31 PM | Link to this

DOB: despite his lackluster spring do tou think Oscar is or will be shopped. I’m sure JS would like to get rid of the salary he got (Isn’t it 900K) plus there are other performing better. What is the story with Carlyle? His stats are very impresive but are they only “spring” stats or is he pitching good?

By Lew

March 18, 2007 8:37 PM | Link to this

Coach-What part of mediocre don’t YOU understand? His rookie year was great. But that was pretty much it. The next three years he went 18-18, dead average. He pitched 182 innings, then 60-202 innings, then 76. He would pitch a good game, he would get shelled and last less than 2 innings. Up down, up, down. The guy was a flippin’ seesaw. Good, bad, healthy, injured. That is nothing but average and that is what mediocre means-average. To answer your question. Yes, I would rather have Redman AND Soriano rather than just Horacio.

By N8......."It's ALL good!"

March 18, 2007 8:44 PM | Link to this

Coach

“According to N8 , Horam is a mediocre winner , WOW ! what a statement. I’m laughing myself silly.”

HoRam’s career ERA is 4.13. You wanna know what the NL average for ERA is in the last four years (since 2003 - HoRam’s rookie year)????……4.32!!!

So yes his JUST BARLEY above average (mediocre, as I like to put it). His WINS are a result of the team he is/was on.

Examples:

Steve Trachel was 15-8 in 2006…WITH A 4.97 ERA!!!

Bronson Arroyo was 14-11 with a 3.29 ERA (Cincinatti was 80-82)

Clay Hensely was 11-12 with a 3.71 ERA (SD went 88-74)

Jason Jennings was 9-13 with a 3.78 ERA (Colorado went 76-86)

Ironically (Sorry DOB, LOL!)

Tom Glavine is RIGHT BELOW Jennings in ERA leaders at 3.80. Wanna know his record? 15-7. hmmmm. Oh, btw: Glavine’s and Trachel’s Mets went 97-65.

So don’t give me the “HoRam is a winner” routine. HoRam is a MEDIOCRE pitcher who happened to be lucky enough to play 3 of his 4 years in the big leagues on a DAMN GOOD TEAM!

“IF , Horam is healthy , the Mariners get 12-16 wins and 180-200 innings , an ERA right around four runs and 30 plus starts.”

And if he’s not, the Mariners (and their fans that don’t know if a player is good or not, because their team hasn’t won a title, even though they all got to watch Arod, Jr. and Randy for about a decade), will get about 65-70 IP, with a 3.55 ERA and about 4 wins.

Whether you like it or not, there is JUST AS MUCH PROOF to back up my theory as yours.

By Yars

March 18, 2007 8:46 PM | Link to this

The Braves I think will hold onto Langerhans. If he has a solid season, he could be in line to replace Andruw in CF, or Francoeur could be moved to CF. Prado is playing really good so far. Now that his stock is high, I expect him to be traded. I can’t see how he would make the Braves opening day roster, especially since Woodward & Aybar aren’t expected to begin the season on the DL. If Chipper misses his usual 50+ games, I’d much rather have Aybar’s bat in the lineup than Prado’s.

By Lew

March 18, 2007 8:53 PM | Link to this

You do realize, of course, that arguing about players we no longer have is really dumb?

By Coach

March 18, 2007 9:00 PM | Link to this

Pops always told me. Son , when everybody is arguing with you , your usually right. When they try to use your own words against you , its because they lack the intelligence to come up with an original thought. God rest his soul , he was a smart man.

By N8......."It's ALL good!"

March 18, 2007 9:05 PM | Link to this

Coach

I meant to add this to my last post, but forgot.

You said if HoRam is healthy, he’ll give the Mariners about 200 or so IP, and 12-16 wins, etc….

Then I said, if he’s not, the Mariners can expect about 65 or so IP, with 3-4 wins, etc…

When looking at HoRam’s “possible” deflated stats, if he is NOT healthy, you essentially are getting those stats in the way of a relief pitcher (Soriano in 2006 had 60 IP, with a 2.25 ERA - while allowing about half a runner less per inning pitched - HoRam had a whip of 1.519, and Soriano had a 1.083 whip).

So again, assuming HoRam isn’t gonna stay healthy (just as reasonbile as assuming he will), who would you rather have?

By KC

March 18, 2007 9:10 PM | Link to this

Coach: “Smoltz , Hudson and James are money. the rest of the rotation is a big mystery at the moment.”

I’ve been one of Hudson’s biggest defenders around here, but I don’t think we can call him “money” just yet. He’s got to prove that last year was a fluke (and we are only talking about one year… his 2005 3.52 ERA was anything but mediocre). I believe he will do just that, and he certainly appears to be well on his way, but I can’t call him money just yet.

If Hudson does bounce right back this year and James simply picks up where he left off… we will once again have a “Big 3” atop our rotation. It that’s the case; if those 3 are “money”, then that combined with this bullpen will make The Braves pitching staff one of the best in baseball, regardless of what we get from the 4 and 5 slots. If we then get good production from the 4-5 slots as well… then, again when comined with this bullpen, the Braves will have the best pitching in baseball.

By Lew

March 18, 2007 9:12 PM | Link to this

Coach-I’m glad you respect Pops, but apparently he was wrong, too. Happens to the best of us.

By N8......."It's ALL good!"

March 18, 2007 9:12 PM | Link to this

Coach

“Pops always told me. Son , when everybody is arguing with you , your usually right. When they try to use your own words against you , its because they lack the intelligence to come up with an original thought. God rest his soul , he was a smart man.”

First of all, I HAVE TO ASK, since you opened the can of woopass on yourself…….How many Championships did he win?

Second of all, what did he have to say about people quoting people INCORRECTLY, like you did when you said that I stated I would rather have Redman than HoRam? I guess is one is NOT intelligent to use “my words against” me, by ACTUALLY stating the correct words, that must REALLY say something about your intelligence.

Sorry, I don’t normally attack people personally, but like the “championship” comment, you opened the door. I’m just walking through it.

By Braveheart

March 18, 2007 9:19 PM | Link to this

Enough with Horam, what about freaking Betemit? That freaking Betemit trade, I tell you, I could just freaking….. Just kidding, Lew.

By Braveheart

March 18, 2007 9:23 PM | Link to this

oh, for crying out loud, start the freaking season already. i can’t handle anymore of these endless debates about trades and signings and refusing to sign players like Giles anymore. All we need now is someone to say hey what about Baldelli? When we gonna get him?

By Coach

March 18, 2007 9:34 PM | Link to this

KC , have you been paying attention ? The Redsox have what is by far the best rotation in baseball. Lew ,N8 . You guys are what ? Ten years old or so ? Get a grip and grow up. Act like men and cut the childish crap. http://www2.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/players/Horacio_Ramirez/

By Oddjob

March 18, 2007 9:45 PM | Link to this

KC Come on!you’re entitled to your opinions but facts are facts.So unless my eyes,the braves organization and Hudson himself are wrong fatigue was a big factor in his performance last season.Now pitch count may have contributed to the fatigue but a top athlete in his twenties should be able to maintain control and velocity past the fifth inning with some regularity,which he was unable to do.

By N8......."It's ALL good!"

March 18, 2007 9:53 PM | Link to this

Coach

I gotta ask. What’s with the HoRam link on your last post. I went there, and found (strangely enough), that he was just as mediocre on that website’s page than on the others that I have been using. Seriously, no sarcasm, was there a particular purpose of the link? If I missed something going there, let me know.

Now, you said:

“Lew ,N8 . You guys are what ? Ten years old or so ? Get a grip and grow up. Act like men and cut the childish crap.”

Really?? You come at us (not sure if it was directed at Lew or I, or BOTH of us), with your “When they try to use your own words against you , its because they lack the intelligence to come up with an original thought. God rest his soul , he was a smart man.”, comment.

Essentially “attacking” my intelligence, (feel free to correct me if I’m incorrect). If it was a joke. GREAT! I’m all for it. I’ll respond with a joke. If it wasn’t, then I’ll respond accordingly.

But then to come back and tell ME to grow up, and cut the childish crap!?

WOW. Somebody needs a timeout.

By KC

March 18, 2007 10:04 PM | Link to this

Coach: I agree that the Red Sox appear to have the makings of a great rotation, BUT…

Schilling’s 3.97 ERA last year was certainly respectable by today’s standards (especiallyin in the AL). But he does seem to be showing the effects of age more than guys like Smoltz or Clemens, and doesn’t appear to be quite what he once was.

Josh Beckett has shown what he’s capable of, but he’s coming off a season in which he posted a 5.01 ERA.

Matsuzaka has dominated in Japan, and he’ll probably be an all-star here, but he’s still got to prove himself in Major League Baseball he in the States. If he failed to do so, he wouldn’t be the first “next great thing from Japan” to fizzle here.

Papelbon was the best closer in baseball last year, but it remains to be seen how long it will take him to adjust to the rotation, or how good he’ll be as a starter.

Wakefield is a known commodity, but he’s an average pitcher. Nothing more.

So all in all… I think it’s way premature to crown Boston’s rotation as the best in baseball. Don’t get me wrong… I like the Sox. I’m a die-hard Braves fan first and foremost, but I’m originally from Boston, and I hope they do have a great rotation and steamroll the $%*&^# Yankees! It’s just too early to consider that a certainty.

Anyway… I’m really not sure why we’re talking about this. I never said the Braves would have one of the best rotations in baseball. I said that if Atlanta’s 1-3 starters perform very well, the Braves would have one of the best pitching staffs in baseball, and that if the 4-5 starters chip in significantly, they’d have the best pitching staff in baseball.

Please note: I didn’t say this could potentially be one of the best rotations in baseball… I said that if everyone in the rotation performs well, this (when combined with what’s likely to be a lights-out bullpen) could wind up being the best pitching staff in baseball. Without Papelbon in the pen, the Red Sox bullpen doesn’t hold a candle to Atlanta’s this year.

By N8......."It's ALL good!"

March 18, 2007 10:04 PM | Link to this

Oddjob

You said:

“…but a top athlete in his twenties should be able to maintain control and velocity past the fifth inning with some regularity…”

Right you are. But Tim Hudson was 31 years old last year. Soon to be 32. He was born July 14, 1975.

Besides, you are missing KC’s point. KC is stating that because EARLY in the year he was unable to get off to fast starts in his games and had to labor CONSIDERABLY, as compared to his “Maddux Like” efficiancy (as far as pitches per game), early in his career. Thus by having to WORK HARDER early in the season, he was essentially out of gas late in the year.

Basically, KC is stating that Hudson created his own stamina issues for himself, by not being efficiant early in the year.

Correct me if I’m wrong KC, btw: I agree with you. His location issues, caused him to NOT be able to put hitters away. He gave up more hits, walked more batters, causing him to be in more “pressure” situations. Thus physically and mentally draining him for the stretch drive.

Sorry Oddjob, Coach is right, I just LOVE to argue.

PS: I wouldn’t have though TWICE about you saying Hudson was in his 20’s, but about 20 minutes ago I was checking out some stats (from baseball-reference.com), and it shows the players age next to every season in the stats page. I just happened to see that Hudson was 31 last year, so when I saw your comment, I thought I’d give you crap. 20’s, 30, 31, 32….Your comment STILL applies. LOL!

By Coach

March 18, 2007 10:09 PM | Link to this

This is for all you folks who think Redman is a better option that Horam. the past three seasons 27 wins 37 losses a 5.08 ERA , a team result of 39 wins 52 losses 40 quality starts and 51 non-quality starts. Did I mention that Redman has pitched for SIX different teams in the last SIX seasons. According to N8 , if Horam is mediocre. Then Redman is a journeyman cannon fodder pitcher who wouldn’t even be pitching in the majors if he were not left handed. N8 , I promise you my friend. when Horam has a sucsessful season in Seattle and Redman ends up in Richmond or traded , I will remind you of just how little you pretend to know about baseball , Good day Sir !

By KC

March 18, 2007 10:20 PM | Link to this

N8: That’s it exactly.

By KC

March 18, 2007 10:28 PM | Link to this

Oddjob: I think N8 said it well, but my point is that Hudson, by his own doing, was expending as much energy through 5 or 6 innings last year as he used to exert over 8 innings-plus. That’s why he ran out of gas early in games, and wore down late in the season.

When you’re used to pitching to about 4 hitters per inning on average, but now you’re seeing 6 or 7 hitters per inning… you’re just not going to last as long. That’s all there is to it. He had roughly the same amount of gas in the tank as he did in previous years… he just spent it all in 5 or 6 innings instead of 8.

By Robert (Justice Is The Best)

March 18, 2007 10:30 PM | Link to this

Okay, let me solve this silly Horacio/Redman argument. Is Ramirez a better pitcher than Redman? Hell yes! But, only when he is healthy, which the last three years hasn’t been very often. While Redman doesn’t miss any starts and eats innings.

Horacio was expendable and the Braves were attempting to build the bullpen up. The trade was a good one no matter what anybody says. The ability of the Braves to throw McBride/Paronto/Yates in the 6th; Gonzales/Soriano in the 7th & 8th; and Wickman in the 9th is ummeasurable. It gives this team a distinct advantage late in games and will allow the starters to relax and just pitch.

Think about it this way for a team that is cash strapped. What is the better option? Horacio at $2.3 mil or Soriano AND Redman for a combined $3 mil?

The deal had to be made. Besides when Horacio walks off the mound in three weeks with yet another freak injury I want to know what y’all will be saying then.

And, that record of Horacio’s was greatly inflated by his 2004 performance. Look at his combined record in 2005 & 2006 and the number of starts missed and tell me he was worth the money.

By Braveheart

March 18, 2007 10:38 PM | Link to this

Is anyone saying that Redman is as good as Horacio? I don’t recall that. Absurd. By your own implicit admission, what you are admitting is that Horam is below James, Smoltz, Hudson, and Hampton when healthy. So, by your own implicit admission, all this fuss over a #5 starter who is never healthy, kills the pen, rarely gets past the fifth, whose team is only 46-41 or so in his starts during his career, and only 24-31 over the last there? I am going to feel a whole lot better about things this year with hudson, james, and smoltz passing the baton off to soriano in the seventh, gonzalez in the eighth, and wickman in the ninth than if i had to go a whole year praying that we had a decent pen, praying that horam was healthy, watching smoltz lose a cy young because he can’t trust his pen to do anything right, and watching cox have to leave hudson out there in the sixth or seventh when he is struggling because cox trusts a struggling hudson to labor through the problems than he does the pen.

BTW, this is kind of stupid but not really but are we going to have a leaner pen this year? wickman is a heavyweight and i do not have a problem with that. but too many of the guys out there in the pen looked like they were eating donuts all game long out there in the pen - you can not tell me that does not affect performance and mechanics and consistency and durability out of a reliever. it was very annoying to watch alot of young relievers looking fat and out of shape last year.

By KC

March 18, 2007 10:50 PM | Link to this

Okay, on the HoRam topic…

Horacio Ramirez was a rookie phemon when he came up with the Braves, going 14-8 with a 3.60 ERA through his first two seasons with Atlanta (2003/2004).

In 2005, something in his delivery got off track, and he left the ball up and out over the plate on a regular basis, resulting in waaaay to many homers.

Prior to the 2006 season, Roger McDowell worked with him and helped him repair some mechanical flaws to help keep the ball down. The results were very good. There was one good stretch between DL stints when HoRam was healthy (and it was the only time he was healthy last year). During that stretch, he made 12 starts. 3 of them were suspect, but the other 9 were stellar. Those few bad starts pushed his ERA up, but over the other nine, he went 5-1 with an ERA well under 2.00 and looked flat out dominant.

Overall, when you look at the portion of the season in which Ramirez was healthy (and I can promise you that’s what the Mariner’s front office was looking at), he went 5-2 with a 3.89 ERA. It was also encouraging that he displayed none the same gopher-ball issues he had the previous season.

HoRam looked damn good in 9 of his 12 healthy starts, and looked a lot like the phenom the Braves were so excited about two years earlier. That’s why the Mariner’s wanted him. The only reason Atlanta was willing to part with him, and the reason why this trade is a risky one for Seattle, is Horacio’s fragility. The guy is injury prone. At least it certainly appears that way.

In my view, talent and ability aren’t the issues with HoRam… it’s his health. If HoRam stays healthy, Seattle’s front office will look like a genius. If not, Mariner’s fans will be all the more determined to stone their GM.

By N8......."It's ALL good!"

March 18, 2007 10:55 PM | Link to this

Coach

AGAIN, you’re choosing to argue me on a POINT I NEVER MADE!!!!!!

Redman is NOT replacing HoRam. He is replacing Hampton. We didn’t sign Redman to a contract in December when HoRam was traded. We signed Redman after Hampton (who was not going to go more than 5-6 innings until deep in the season - so no matter what “SLOT” in the rotation he was in, they were NOT expecting anything other than 5th starter nubmers out of him, at least early in the year).

Besides, it’s hard to REPLACE somebody who literally didn’t exsist last year. Next thing you know, you’ll be complaining that Cormier is a ridiculous replacement for Thomson!

When and if HoRam has a successful season in Seattle, I will GLADLY post in BOLD ALL CAPS, how right you were, just so long as you do the same, if he only pitches 65 innings, or if he stays healthy and gets lit up. LOL!

As far as us Reman ending up at AAA??? He very well might. He might not. But here’s the thing. Similar to when JS signed Raul Mondesi for LITTLE OR NOTHING, he knew he had young help on the way. If Redman pitches well, he’ll stick around a while. But make no mistake about it, if he stinks up the place, Harrison, Davies (who will start at AAA), Lerew or even (GASP)….Mike Hampton will replace him in the rotation.

He (Redman) is an insurance policy, as to not have to rush youngsters to the bigs (see: Joey Devine). At $750,000.00 They can afford to cut him loose (or trade him), if they have a better option. You said it yourself…he’s lefthanded. SOMEBODY would take him off our hands, if need be.

“…I will remind you of just how little you pretend to know about baseball”

Sorry. I appolgize for my idiocy. My mom should’ve seen it coming, with those dumb uncles out in Seattle.

60…59…58…57….(for those of you wondering what I’m doing, I’m just counting the seconds until Coach posts another misinformed comment about how I think Redman was brought in to replace HoRam)….56…55…54…..

By KC

March 18, 2007 10:57 PM | Link to this

“Think about it this way for a team that is cash strapped. What is the better option? Horacio at $2.3 mil or Soriano AND Redman for a combined $3 mil?”

If we could be reasonably assured that Ramirez would stay healthy… I’d say HoRam would have been better for the Braves. But given the fact that we just can’t depend on him (because he can’t depend on his body), I think the move JS made was the right one.

By David O'Brien

March 18, 2007 11:02 PM | Link to this

JC from Utah, no, don’t think they’re shopping or will shop Villarreal. Could be wrong, but haven’t heard anything to lead me to think they’re shopping him.

Carlyle is putting up good numbers, but there’s probably a reason he’s 29 years only and has just over a half-season of major league experience in 11 seasons of pro ball spent. He’s got a career 7.41 ERA in 54-2/3 innings in the majors.

Of course, Kenny Ray and Peter Moylan also came out of nowhere.

Just curious, what’s the deal with so many folks out there seemingly believing that personnel decisions should be made based on 2-1/2 week of spring training games, which are glorified practice sessions, at least for the veteran players?

Other than the couple of positions that were being contested _ back of rotation, left field _ most spots were already penciled in, and Kelly Johnson was going to need to fall flat on his face this spring to lose the 2B job, based on what I hear.

Other guys with track records in the majors, guys with at least a couple of good seasons under the belts, like a Villarreal, aren’t going to lose jobs based on a few bad outings in spring games. And guys who’ve never been particularly outstanding in the minors aren’t going to win jobs based on hitting .400 against a mix of major and minor league pitchers in spring training games, including against some major league pitchers who are working on particular pitches or experimenting with different approaches, etc.

You folks have seen enough baseball that I’m surprised how much emphasis some seem to put on spring training. Folks, it’s practice. I know they charge to see the games, but it’s practice. Especially these first couple or three weeks. Only now will Cox even start to ramp things up and play his regulars more, now that the split-squad games are done and we’re a couple of weeks from the season opener.

By N8......."It's ALL good!"

March 18, 2007 11:03 PM | Link to this

Robert (JITB)

VERY well said, but be careful….you might get lumped in with me and my dumb uncles (dang it! You see. I can’t even get that right. I meant to say: My dumb uncles and I), as far as baeball intelligence goes.

By David O'Brien

March 18, 2007 11:06 PM | Link to this

OddJob, gotta go with UNC in that matchup. USC is tougher than you might thing, though. They gave KU a pretty good game this season, and beat a few good teams. I was shocked by how easily they handled Texas. But no one except Durant did anything.

I made a wager with Travis Haney tonight while we were watching the games at Hooters. He was so confident that Florida would win the whole thing, I gave him Florida and he gave me any three teams. I told him I’d only need to take two _ KU and UNC.

By David O'Brien

March 18, 2007 11:22 PM | Link to this

jeff l, I actually kind of like Milwaukee. I love authentic German food, and they’ve got the best _ Mader’s is outstanding. And very good Asian and Italian restaurants, too.

I hope to take a tour of the Harley-Davidson factory this year when we’re up there. And that waterfront area that they’ve fixed up on the lake is very cool.

it’s just an easy city to take cheap shots at, but it’s actually not bad at all.

By David O'Brien

March 18, 2007 11:25 PM | Link to this

oh, and Jeff, I absolutely abhor tuna salad. and chicken salad. and turkey salad. anything with mayonaise, i don’t eat.

you might be referring to a comment i made a couple weeks ago about a braves writer being put in a very bad state by the tuna salad from the spread at disney.

that writer wasn’t me. I love tuna _ tuna steaks, tuna out of the can, plain. But hate when mayo’s added to it or anything else.

By N8......."It's ALL good!"

March 18, 2007 11:34 PM | Link to this

Wayne Campbell: So, do you come to Milwaukee often?

Alice Cooper: Well, I’m a regular visitor here, but Milwaukee has certainly had its share of visitors. The French missionaries and explorers began visiting here in the late 16th century.

Pete: Hey, isn’t “Milwaukee” an Indian name? Alice Cooper: Yes, Pete, it is. In fact , it’s pronounced “mill-e-wah-que” which is Algonquin for “the good land.”

Wayne Campbell: I was not aware of that.

By Lew

March 19, 2007 12:03 AM | Link to this

Like Coach says-We’re not worthy.

By KC

March 19, 2007 12:21 AM | Link to this

N8: I see you have an appreciation for fine cinema. Great stuff! Classic.

By N8......."It's ALL good!"

March 19, 2007 12:48 AM | Link to this

KC

I’m a sucker for all SNL movies, even the bad ones like: Ladies Man and Superstar.

Pretty much think of that quote ANYTIME somebody mentions Milwaukee. LOL!

Very classic, indeed.

By HeHateMe

March 19, 2007 1:02 AM | Link to this

Damn!—N8, better give that Dell a rest, 7 straight hours here without a brake—thing has to be getting hot!—damn!

By N8......."It's ALL good!"

March 19, 2007 1:16 AM | Link to this

Rod Smart

Thanks for joyning in.

Been working on Photoshop for about 9 hours, just happen to keep checking in. LOL!

By Bob, journalist

March 19, 2007 1:25 AM | Link to this

David O’B, how do you like your BLTs … mustard or catsup? Mustard based tuna salad ain’t bad.

Yars, in answer to your 4:12, … in about 13 games.

By David O'Brien

March 19, 2007 7:13 AM | Link to this

Bob, catsup. Better still, ketchup.

Forgot to mention, Tony Pena had a couple hits in that split-squad game vs. Cincy down at Sarasota yesterday (the one none of us went to, since we stayed up here with Bobby for the Detroit game). That jacked up Pena average from .267 to .303 in 33 at-bats this spring, so does that mean now that the Braves should keep him by all means, since some folks seem to be basing their opinions on the tiny body of work guys are producing here in spring training? Pena’s the one who’s out of options.

(for the record, no, i don’t think him raising his average to .303 in spring training should have any bearing on whatever decision they make on him. i was asking rhetorically.)

Oh, and Will Startup allowed two runs and three hits in the ninth in that game, his second appearance (pitched a scoreless inning in his first).

By NO CHOP ZONE

March 19, 2007 9:12 AM | Link to this

Lew, when you wake up could you answer this question? Is a pitching staff of Glavine, El Duque, Maine, Perez and Pelfrey going to suck all season or do you have a specific part of season where that will be the case? Also, are also predicting that Pedro will not be effective at any point in 2007?

By journalist jimmy smith

March 19, 2007 9:45 AM | Link to this

it is a cheese sandwich in the hotel room - not tuna salad. cheese fills the void of mayonnaise in the life of a journalist. mayonnaise does not travel well.

milwaukee is a fine town for cheese. cheese is served most everywhere. cheese soda is a favorite of journalists.

while watching the game at hooters did dob see anyone there with chin whiskers and a scowl? no comment - at all.

now, baseball … marcus giles must not be so hard to replace after all if kj, who never played the position, wins the job over experienced second basemen. and what will become of wee willie harris? and what is so special about aybar? and if escobar and aybar are at short and 2b what kind of bar is that? if escobar becomes a star is a candy bar far behind?

and why doesn’t chipper have his own candy bar? not oh, henry! uh, chipper!

By Lew

March 19, 2007 9:53 AM | Link to this

ChopZone-I think Glavine will turn in a good performance this season-good, not great. He’s always been one of my favorites and I really wish we had been able to sign him this year. Definitely one for the Mets. Please answer this question honestly-Is he really a number one starter at this point of his career? I’m talking seriously here, as a baseball fan, not just a Braves’ fan-the rest of your staff is highly suspect. El Duque is old(much older than his Birth certificate says). He has been injured much of the last few years. He missed most of the playoffs for you and has had neck troubles this spring. I’ve had nerve problems in my neck, Dude and it’s not a lot of fun. I expect he will be less effective than in the past, at best. At worst, I think he will spend increasing amounts of time on the DL. Perez just hasn’t sold me on his benefit. He had a good year several years ago and hasn’t done much else since. Sorry Chop, but that’s the way I see it. He isn’t that good. As far as Maine and Pelfrey. Yes, they are decent prospects. I know you think I’m harsh on the Mets, but no one has answered this question yet-Just when was the last time a bona fide ML stud pitcher came from the Mets’ system? Dude, I’m not being sarcastic. Please answer me, because I just for the life of me can’t think who it might have been (except Kazmir and I know you wish you had him back). You farm system just hasn’t produced pitching prospects that have great ML success-for a long time. Maybe Maine and Pelfrey will break this mold. I truly don’t know, but from the past track record, I just don’t see it. Now Pedro-Pedro has been one of the best pitchers of the past decade. Period. Never will I say differently. However, that was then and this is now. He is not the pitcher he once was, though, even before his current troubles. He has had shoulder surgery and in addition, he has chronic foot problems and also had a calf injury when he went on the DL last year. Can he come back? Probably, but at what level? When he does return, Mets fans have been acting like he will just pick,up the ball and be the old Pedro. That is an unrealistic expectation of ANYONE coming back from surgery. It just takes a while to regain form. All sorts of complications can factor in. He could experience side issues with scar tissue. He could pull something else because his motion is off. He could be tentative for a while wondering if he will re-injure his arm. You just don’t know and neither do I. You can’t count on when he will be back and you can’t count on how well he will come back when he does. So there you go Chop Zone. NO smack talking, No ill will, no derogatory in any way. That is just the way I think it shapes up for the Mets. Now, one more thing. If you weren’t going to have need of them, why did Omar pick up Sosa, Park and Sele? Dude, I think they DO factor in the Mets’ plans and that is quite scary for any baseball fan. Sorry, but that’s how I really see it. Please have a wonderful day.

By Arkansas Hillbilly

March 19, 2007 10:04 AM | Link to this

while watching the game at hooters did dob see anyone there with chin whiskers and a scowl? no comment - at all.

Started my day off with a good-hearty laugh right there.

By journalist jimmy smith

March 19, 2007 10:07 AM | Link to this

and this on horse whiskers … when grooming a horse, it is best to avoid cutting the horse whiskers any more than absolutely necessary. horse whiskers are tactile and help the horse spatially. hmmm … could the new whiskers at third base be tactile as well? will we see more ground balls fielded this year? and is stroking the whiskers permitted while in the field? will chipper know to use the hand without the glove? will chipper be allowed to chew bubblegum? is a time out allowed for gum in the whiskers? seeds? and will chipper’s horse recognize chipper with these new whiskers? and could the whiskers merely be another mizuno emblem shamelessly brought to the ballpark?

this journalist will have more on whiskers later.

now, toes … ever go to the beach and see a girl with lots of hair on her toes? whoa! not sure where that came from but journalist was talking whiskers in an earlier paragraph.

now, journalism … transition is becoming more and more comfortable to this journalist. jimmy smith will attempt an entirely new transition in jimmy smith’s next post.

By Lew

March 19, 2007 10:07 AM | Link to this

Esteemed Journalist-Don’t you mean Uh Henry?

By Voice of Reason

March 19, 2007 10:08 AM | Link to this

Esteemed JJS: Chipper actually does have a candy bar, as part of a collective MLBPA candy bar. It’s called…Payday.

By Lew

March 19, 2007 10:14 AM | Link to this

Journalist Jimmy-Let’s hope that if DOB did see chin whiskers and a scowl during the game, that it wasn’t on one of the Hooter’s Girls.

By Disgusted Arkansas Hillbilly

March 19, 2007 10:24 AM | Link to this

Well, I won’t be annoying anybody by calling the Hogs today. What an absoluted pathetic showing vs. USC. But then again they drummed Texas pretty good too, so that makes me feel a little better. Maybe they’ll knock off UNC while they’re on a roll.

Salty, Thanks for the b-day greeting.

Carolina Lady, Geez, be careful, why don’t ya’? Might want to keep your feet on the ground, next time. No seriously, hope you’re healing well. As for a good story, You could always go with: “Fought off a mugger”, “Rescued your dog/family/goats (??) from a Hydrophobia-induced coyote attack, ala Old Yeller,” or took a come-backer off the eye off the bat of Vladimir Guerrero.”

Grinch, Hope you’re doing well. You are, indeed, missed. My condolences, again.

By Arkansas Hillbilly

March 19, 2007 10:31 AM | Link to this

I went to Hooters in Orange Beach/Gulf Shores, Alabama last year and I guarantee you, most of those women had chin whiskers and a scowl. Absolutely horrific. (Hack, cough, gag.)

By journalist jimmy smith

March 19, 2007 10:32 AM | Link to this

raisins is right … payday. still, chipper should not have to share chipper’s candy bar with any other player. the candy bar creation jimmy smith has in mind for chipper would have chips of some of chipper’s favorite foods - buffalo wings, cheeseburger, venison, and a hearty nougat. perhaps even a whisker to add character - this would make it an adult candy. not sure if mizuno would allow chipper to market this candy bar on chipper’s own. probably mizuno will want to be involved and that means more mizuno emblems.

whoa! al gore throws like a sissy. journalist remembers al gore trying to throw out the first pitch at a braves game. not pretty.

new transition method in use.

pie. pie is wholesome and good where candy bars with greasy food ingredients are not healthy. journalist does not think there is much market for the candy bar that has been described above. limited market. sell ‘em on the internet. authograph ‘em and sell ‘em to kids. uh, the humanity!

By NO CHOP ZONE

March 19, 2007 10:34 AM | Link to this

Glavine is no longer a number one. I never said he was. But again I refer to last year. Pedro only gave us nine wins and was hurt for most of the season. So last year we didn’t have a number one either. As for the Mets not producing and strong pitcher in a while all I can say is this. Is is not necessary for a team to produce #1 pitchers to be successful. Especialy a large market team. It would be nice but not necessary. My issue with you has always been your post coming off as facts and not predictions. You can’t say a staff sucks until it sucks based on stats/wins/losses.

By harry

March 19, 2007 10:40 AM | Link to this

DOB: we agree on a lot, including music taste, but your mayo comments are disappointing. Not a better condiment. As far as Lucinda goes, show at Tabernacle was solid, not outstanding. She seemed a little reserved. Also the first time I have ever seen her read her lyrics on a stand. I found that distracting. Otherwise, it was enjoyable. Good set list, too.

By Shaun

March 19, 2007 10:47 AM | Link to this

N8,

Late response: Van Poppel was certainly a bust. It’s just a bad idea to take pitchers early, particularly high school pitchers. You are taking a huge risk. And you are probably going to have to pay them big bucks. All draft picks are risks but some are less risky than others and high school pitchers top the list of risky players.

By Carolina Lady

March 19, 2007 11:06 AM | Link to this

:-)) ‘Mornin’, Arkansas Hillbilly! Yeah, I’m thinking maybe that wasn’t such a good idea as it seemed at the time! While it is surely in the healing process, I think this one will take some time to reach its full glory. It is indeed a sight to behold! (Meanwhile, I will be as much of a recluse as possible!)

jjs, you’re in fine fettle this morning! :-)))

Grinch, you’re missed. I am so sorry for your troubles.

DOB, tuna and ketchup??? And you were giving me grief for having milk with my BBQ sandwich??? :-0 Oh, the humanity! :-)))

By Jared

March 19, 2007 11:20 AM | Link to this

Fish and blog entries smell in three days.

By Lew

March 19, 2007 11:20 AM | Link to this

Hillbilly-Must be a Bama problem.

By Lew

March 19, 2007 11:30 AM | Link to this

ChopZone-You asked, I answered. Of course at most times I talk smack against the Mets. I ask you again-Why does this surprise you? I’m a Braves’ fan-have been for decades. I do not like the Mets. They are our primary rival at the moment.You came on a Braves’ blog and you talk trash and then you wonder why I stick up for the Braves? Come on, Dude, even as a Mets’ fan you should be able to grasp what I’m saying here. Why do you expect different behavior? If you want fans to praise the Mets and to agree with your WAY optimistic outlook for the Mets, then why don’t you blog with Mets’ fans on a Mets’ blog? You would certainly be more likely to find others who agree with you, though from other comments by Mets’ fans, you know your staff is terrible. I think it must be that you just like people telling you how much the Mets suck. There just doesn’t appear to be any other reason. You just enjoy pain.

By flbravesgirl

March 19, 2007 11:47 AM | Link to this

Hope it heals up quickly, CL! “Fighting off a mugger” sounds like a good story to me.

My cousin likes tuna & BBQ sauce. Eww!

By Shaun

March 19, 2007 12:08 PM | Link to this

The Mets had a good pitching staff last season because of good seasons by Glavine, Hernandez and Maine and an excellent bullpen. I don’t think it’s realistic to expect Glavine or Hernandez to repeat, although I don’t think Glavine will be a bad pitcher.

And the Braves bullpen looks like one of the best in the game. If Smoltz does what he has been doing, Hudson comes back relatively strong, and James pitches close to the way he did last season, the Braves rotation should be better than the Mets.

Of course, you take pitching predictions with a grain of salt since pitching is tough to predict (because of injuries and randomness of things pitchers can’t control that affect their “performance”).

I still see it as too close to call at this point between the Mets, Braves and Phillies.

The Mets may be slight favorites because of their great core of young players but the Braves have to feel good about their chances, as do the Phillies.

By Braveheart

March 19, 2007 12:13 PM | Link to this

you don’t wear your Mets cap into the bleachers in right field in Yankee Stadium and be allowed to cry when you have your hat thrown onto the field, have beer poured on every three minutes, get cursed at relentlessly throughout the game, have an idiot teenager try to start a fight with you, and have the whole bleachers chanting at your girl to show her you know whats throughout the entire game.

for whatever reason, you might get away with wearing a Mets cap into the Ted but you can’t get away with wearing one in the MIB blog.

what’s up with the mets unis anyway? why do they have to wear dodger blue, giants orange, and yankee pinstripes? Maybe their name should change to the New York Wannabes. They wanna be the dodgers, the giants, the yankees, and the braves.

10 years ago, you had the mistake of calling your young pitchers Generation K. This time around we will call them the mistake that is Generation KY Jelly after we are done with them this year.

By Arkansas Hillbilly

March 19, 2007 12:13 PM | Link to this

Carolina Lady, I agree with Flbravesgirl. Go with “fighting off a mugger.” It would be the most believable. Just make sure to spin your story so that the mugger’s battle scars are more painful than yours.

By journalist jimmy smith

March 19, 2007 12:18 PM | Link to this

bbq sauce can right many wrongs. still, the best bbq does not require sauce. there are many thoughts on a proper bbq sauce. we will hear from the eastern carolinas something different than from the western carolinas. we will hear of mustard-base, vinegar-base, tomato-base, sweet sauce, tart sauce, and of course horsey sauce. but, bbq on tuna is not right. now, how many mizuno emblems can you count on chipper jones (1) in the field, and (2) at the bat, or, (3) on the dl. prize to the winner(s) - like toe(s) may be more than expected.

now, candy bars … what is the favorite candy bar of this blog?

By Arkansas Hillbilly

March 19, 2007 12:22 PM | Link to this

Lew, Maybe so. I just assumed it was a hygiene problem. (Enter Germ-X.)

By TheSouthernJackAss

March 19, 2007 12:25 PM | Link to this

…”uh, the humanity!”…a classic…

Unbelievable!…

By NO CHOP ZONE

March 19, 2007 12:25 PM | Link to this

I understand where you’re coming from Lew as far as you being a Brave fan and all. But I guess since the other Brave fans on this Blog don’t come off like you do I was caught off guard…..my bad.

By Lew

March 19, 2007 12:28 PM | Link to this

Ma’am-A response of “You should see what the other guy looks like” usually works, too. Braveheart-Thanks, Dude. That’s pretty much what I’ve been trying to say to Chop Zone. Some reinforcement from other BRAVES’ fans would be nice. Hear that KC? How about you, Shaun? This is a Braves’ blog. We’re Braves’ fans. You never give the sucker (or Mets’ fan) an even break. I’m surprised I should have to remind you of how to be a fan. Stick up for your team.

By Carolina Lady

March 19, 2007 12:28 PM | Link to this

Arkansas Hillbilly & FBG, sound like a plan! (And thanks, FBG!)

Maybe I should practice:
“Well, there I was…..right outside the bank…..well, this is a long story, so I’ll shorten it, but when the police got there they took the guy away in ‘cuffs…..and then I came home.” How’s that? :-))

By SoundsFamiliar

March 19, 2007 12:31 PM | Link to this

All I can say is….Braveheart, the more you guys talk about things like the Mets’ uniforms—of all things to discuss—the more it shows me how absolutely terrified you are that the Braves are going to have another sub-.500 season. Completely, absolutely terrified. I like how, when you’re all talking about the Mets (you know, the NATIONAL LEAGUE EAST CHAMPIONS), all your discussions are won’t, won’t won’t—as in, their pitching won’t be as good, their bullpen won’t be as good, etc. But then when you talk about the Braves, it’s all IF, IF, IF. As in: IF Hudson has a good year, IF Smoltz holds up, IF the offense can still produce. That is a whole lot of IFs to hang your hat on, my friends….

By NO CHOP ZONE

March 19, 2007 12:39 PM | Link to this

Braveheart….Keep in mind that a Met fans that visits Yankee stadium is pobably a New Yorker too, I wouldn’t assume that he would allow Any fan poor beer on him or throw his cap away without the likelyhood of a good a-s-s kicking. Lets not get carried away.

By David O'Brien

March 19, 2007 12:41 PM | Link to this

Carolina Lady, that was ketchup on a BLT. I was answering the question, did i prefer mustard or ketchup on a BLT.

NEW BLOG IS UP

By Carolina Lady

March 19, 2007 12:45 PM | Link to this

Mets bloggers, you expect what when you post on a Braves blog?? Just about as welcome as an Evangelist at a mosque in most cases. :-))

By journalist jimmy smith

March 19, 2007 12:46 PM | Link to this

“well, there were these blue worms out in the garden …”

By MGL

March 19, 2007 1:10 PM | Link to this

Lew, I’m with you, just have npot had much time to participate. NO CHOP has his head in the sand (or elsewhere). I would not say they are paniced yet but this article certainly shows pitching staff concerns:

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070317&contentid=1848347&vkey=spt2007news&fext=.jsp&cid=nym

I particularly enjoyed — And when a team with pitching issues and not an abundance of pitching solutions loses games, 13-1 and 9-0, in one afternoon, the symbolism prompts the manager to speak of getting serious.

By Lew

March 19, 2007 1:34 PM | Link to this

MGL-Appreciate it, Dude. I mentioned KC and Shaun because they came out praising the Mets’ staff from last year. Pretty wimpy, if you ask me.

By TheSouthernJackAss

March 19, 2007 1:41 PM | Link to this

Go Mets!!!…Dude…

By Braves4Ever

March 23, 2007 9:31 PM | Link to this

Just a side note about Sean White a rule 5 pick by Mariners from Braves. http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/mariners/2003630033_marinotes22.html Think we may get him back, sounds like more pitching depth.