Braves

By ssiscribe

March 6, 2007 12:39 PM | Link to this

Somehow, the image of Red Smith or Shirley Povich carrying a sleek laptop, chatting with a radio guy on the West Coast on the cell phone and flipping through a bevy of colorful media guides doesn’t fit.

Instead, I like the mental image of Smith, Povich, Roger Kahn, et al, lugging the big typewriter cases up the stairs, wearing the ties and the long trenchcoats. That be some old school scribin’, for sure. Knock it out, rip out the paper and give it to the Western Union boy. Day games, train rides, good Scotch with the players on the way to St. Louis or Chicago or Milwaukee on the old Pullman.

Enjoy Viera. Hopefully today’s game is somewhat competitive. More later, as the Scribe bangs away on his Royal, eh, I mean Dell.

(And a cigar sure would be nice right about now, on a picture perfect day outside the Big A.)

Selah.

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By D-Cider

March 6, 2007 12:49 PM | Link to this

Maybe Cox isnt’ concerned about Soriano’s shoulder, but this missed a bunch of games last year with sore arm. Doesn’t sound good to me. Pete Orr, who is already 28, might be around this season, but he appears to have marginal major league talent.

By Dave knockahomer

March 6, 2007 12:51 PM | Link to this

sometimes my posts make it through; sometimes not. This may be one of the ‘nots’…..but do wish I was with you at the game, DOB……and the cigar! ah, can smell it!
Again, thanks for keeping us uptodate with our Braves. Started getting excited and upbeat about this year’s team in January. Not sure why. But it is gonna be a GREAT YEAR!!!!!!!!!

GO BRAVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and go Kelly at 2nd!

By The Grinch

March 6, 2007 12:51 PM | Link to this

Let’s try this again, since this was the last post on the other one.

Shaun, do you have any statistics to back that up?

Hillbilly…heck, I got to run, anyway. Just check my last post out on the previous one.

Dave, I always kind of remembered liking Fick, actually. I remember being surprised and dissapointed in the Karros thing, but still thought we ought to have kept him. I agree with whoever said on the last one that if his BA was 30 points higher nobody would complain about him. That’s also really cool about Bobby Dews; that’s dedication. Later, all.

By Shaun

March 6, 2007 12:51 PM | Link to this

With all due respect, I’m sure Orr is a good guy and he’s a useful player. And I’m not blaming Cox for his optimism concerning Orr, that’s part of his job. But also Orr hit .265/.320/.340 in 5 minor league seasons. Don’t think he’s the best option as a backup 2B/IF.

By KC

March 6, 2007 12:51 PM | Link to this

DOB: “Tell you what, these morning drives around Central Florida ain’t bad when the sun is shining, you’ve got a good cigar to enjoy, and a rental car with a booming CD player…”

DOB, I hope no one from your rental car company reads this. You know there’s a strict no-smoking-inside-the-car policy at every rental car place. =)

By Harry

March 6, 2007 12:53 PM | Link to this

DOB- good call on Ritter. Check out a performance of this song at a political event in DC: http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2006/10/ritter.html

Can you shed any insight into the Corrales situation? Why did he leave?

Thanks for your blog. Hope you are making it back to Atlanta 3/17 for Lucinda.

By Dave knockahomer

March 6, 2007 12:56 PM | Link to this

well, maybe I won’t get through after all….anyway, do want to say that as a regular season manager, Cox does dern good; but as postseason manager, he stinks. Sad to say, but true. He gets outmanaged every time and even some commentators have noted that. Until last year, that seemed to be the fate of LaRussa but his team did what nobody thought possible—-they won the Series! Can’t help but love baseball!

By D-rock

March 6, 2007 12:57 PM | Link to this

Red Smith had it right. I get a lot of flak here in Scotland from Europeans who think “football” (soccer) is the greatest game ever. Nothing beats a baseball game on a summer afternoon.

By Alan

March 6, 2007 12:59 PM | Link to this

Yeah, DOB, you do have the life! And don’t sell yourself short. You’re the Red Smith of the 21st Century. Sscribe, Shirley Povich was great, but if memory serves, he sired the less-than-great Maury Povich, who married the even-less-less-than-great Connie Chung - so he wasn’t perfect. And what on earth were HIS parents thinking when they named him “Shirley”? A Boy Named Shirley. Indeed. Tomorrow I’ll be flying south for 5 days in and around Dark Star, and I’ll be in the stands Saturday for the Blue Jays game. Sorry I’ll miss you, DOB. Enjoy your time off.

By Wilkun

March 6, 2007 1:00 PM | Link to this

I haven’t ever written in to this blog, although I did spar with you by email, DOB, a few seasons back when Matsui first entered the majors, but man, I have to tell y’all that for a guy living in India, this blog is a huge treat everyday! Everyone keep up the great work. One quick question for you, Dave- are the Braves so high on Elvis Andrus and Lillibridge that Escobar is now primarily seen as tradebait? Sure, at 24 he’s a little older than the others, but Escobar can really play, by all appearances. What’s he missing?

By ssiscribe

March 6, 2007 1:05 PM | Link to this

Alan writes, “Shirley? A Boy Named Shirley. Indeed.”

And indeed, everything at the Braves/Man In Black circle back to the great Mr. Cash, who so gracefully considered the topic of naming male children with the hit, “A Boy Named Sue.”

See, this Scribe knows a bit about music, too.

Now, baseball … where’s my Webcast?

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By ncscoots

March 6, 2007 1:06 PM | Link to this

Oh, I don’t know, David, you have your moments of “Poetic Old School Baseball Scribe”. Enough that I think Red might have been more inclined to drink-sharing than typewriter-toting with you, anyway. Ink-stained (and carpel-tunneled) wretch that you be.

And, oh, man, “I’m Bad Like Jesse James”? I haven’t heard that song in a ton of years, but the mention drilled it right back into a frontal lobe. TOO good.

By chris

March 6, 2007 1:07 PM | Link to this

I am curious as to who you all think would be a candidate for manager in 2009. What about John Smoltz? What do you think Dave? Or what about Pendleton?

Chris from MD

By chris

March 6, 2007 1:08 PM | Link to this

Smoltz for manager in 2009? If not, what about Pendleton? What say you, Dave? What about the rest of you?

Maryland’s Chris

By Bob, journalist

March 6, 2007 1:08 PM | Link to this

1-0 First and third … nobody out

By rammerjammer

March 6, 2007 1:12 PM | Link to this

GREAT image evoked of B. Dews. Back in the day, I used to attend the Masters golf tournament and the old - really old - former champs would show up just to be there. It was cool. Kinda like a pilgrimage.

By ssiscribe

March 6, 2007 1:12 PM | Link to this

And in picking up where we left off yesterday:

2 — Braves runs

0 — Nats runs

1 — Randy St. Claire visits to the mound

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By Bob, journalist

March 6, 2007 1:14 PM | Link to this

oops, I meant basesloaded … but Thorman just struck out and Escobar had a sacrifice fly 2-0 … Langerhans struck out … time for coffee.

By Bob, journalist

March 6, 2007 1:29 PM | Link to this

Strikeout, Langerhans can’t catch deep fiy … double, Langerhans makes leaping catch at wall, walk … Travis Lee walks, bases loaded Double, good putout at home … 2-2!

Maybe Davies can play second!

By MGL

March 6, 2007 1:30 PM | Link to this

Randy St. Claire will have more miles on him than my 95 Lincoln by the end of the year.

By David O'Brien

March 6, 2007 1:34 PM | Link to this

Davies not sharp at all in first, walked a couple of guys back-to-back and gave up two doubles, plus a ball Langy caught against fence in CF that might have gone out if a fence door hadn’t been slight ajar. Seriously, the extra foot might have been the difference.

Lucky to get out with only two runs. Schneider hit bases-loaded double and Travis Lee tried to barrle over catcher Corky Miller, who hung onto the ball in the collision to end the inning.

By Braveheart

March 6, 2007 1:35 PM | Link to this

i think smoltz would be plenty good enough as a manager but i think he would be much better as a commentator.

i think as a manager, he might get himself in trouble with his mouth.

as a player, we love his brutal honesty when he is asked to go on the record.

as a manager, however, that could be a problem.

but, other than that, i think he would be a great manager and with smoltz as a manager, i think we would all believe in him - which would be important for keeping the faith of the fan base up.

maybe smoltz and bobby will not ride off into the sunset together after winning a second world series together.

maybe smoltz will just slap bobby’s horse and tell him to get out of town while the getting is good.

then smoltz will turn around and walk back into town and tell the boys we got ourselves a new sheriff in town and his name is Straight Shooting Smoltzie.

Maybe, if he is a manager, they can still call on him, at least for the first few years, as a late season hired gunslinger to clean up whatever the pitching mess is that year (bullpen or starters) due to the cheapskate owners.

it would be cool to go back to the days of player/managers that i think has not been done since Pete Rose with the Reds in the 1980s.

By David O'Brien

March 6, 2007 1:37 PM | Link to this

Single and double for Kelly in the first two innings, just doubled over the left fielder’s head in second

By deepinmetsterritory

March 6, 2007 1:38 PM | Link to this

Hey Si Scribe - are you lang whittaker from si.com?

By Braveheart

March 6, 2007 1:38 PM | Link to this

Well at least Keith Lockhart is not the option at second if, for no other reason than I do not have to listen to John Kinkade (sp?) rant all summer about Lockhart like he used to do all the time. Man, that guy hated Lockhart. But who doesn’t that guy hate?

By ssiscribe

March 6, 2007 1:39 PM | Link to this

You folks in Viera are killing me. DOB’s got me wanting a stogie, and a few minutes ago, Pete tells those of us listening on the Net what a perfect day it is for baseball.

April 6, hurry up and get here!

All kidding aside, the beauty of baseball is how the game can transport you along for the ride and take you away from where you may be at the moment.

Two more runs in, 4-2 Bravos. Back to deadline, already in progress (damnit).

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By Matthew, Walter's Dad

March 6, 2007 1:45 PM | Link to this

From the old blog-no one was willing to admit that they were masters at Tecmo baseball, huh?

Bunch of liars-most of you are older than I am…:)

That’s okay-the Braves are winning, and I can listen at work. I had forgotten about my Gameday Audio subscription!

By Bob, journalist

March 6, 2007 1:52 PM | Link to this

No runs, 3 hits … methinks the potential of young Kyle Davies is getting old.

By Whitney

March 6, 2007 1:56 PM | Link to this

And so it begins…looks like the Marlin’s young staff is falling apart sooner than we expected.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/baseball/mlb/specials/spring_training/2007/03/06/johnson.marlins.ap/index.html

DOB, thanks for the always excellent posts. I’m really regretting not planning the spring training trip this year after hearing your descriptions of the day. Live and learn…

By Ricardo

March 6, 2007 2:00 PM | Link to this

Did anyone else see what Gammons wrote about a little dust up between Francour and A-Rod last year at the Classic? I haven’t seen it and don’t know the context it was written in, but they were talking about it this morning on the radio (680). Something to the effect of: A-Rod was yelling at a clubhouse boy about something minor and Jeff stood up and said something to the effect of “Shut the f up and leave the kid alone”. Then Chipper and someone else took up for Jeff w/A-rod and that’s all I know. If this is true, I think it says a lot about both of them.
Anyone see or hear this?

By ssiscribe

March 6, 2007 2:04 PM | Link to this

Deepinmetsterritory: No, bro, I’m not Lang. Checked out some of his stuff after somebody asked me last week if he and I were the same. Good writer, good chops. But nope, Scribe ain’t Lang.

MGL: Hope your 95 Lincoln holds up better than St. Claire will this year. After all, your car doesn’t have to watch the Nats 162 times this season.

Five hits, two runs, two walks, two strikeouts for Davies. Sounds like it should’ve/would’ve/could’ve been worse. The kid from Stockbridge is done after two innings; on to Macay McBride for the bottom of the third.

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By tkg

March 6, 2007 2:06 PM | Link to this

Don’t know if anyone saw this on Peter Gammons’ blog that was posted on ESPN.com yesterday, and if it’s already been posted and discussed in a previous blog, my apologies. I thought the next-to-last graph was most interesting … except for that part where Peter’s subliminally trying to send Francouer to the Red Sox!

Seriously, if the next-to-last graph is true, it shows the kind of person Francouer is … hopefully the money he’ll eventually make will never change him.

From Peter Gammons’ blog No one is looking forward to the May 20 Braves series at Fenway Park more than Jeff Francoeur is. Look, he loves being a Brave. He grew up in Atlanta. But says, “I really always wanted to play for the Red Sox because of my family. I still use the Red Sox credit card my father gave me when I was 17. It’s going to be great.”

In 2002, Francoeur was considered unsignable because he was signed to play football and baseball at Clemson. However, before the draft, he reached a deal with the Red Sox, who were picking 57th. Atlanta scouting director Roy Clark found out, was able to get the money to sign Francoeur and took him at No. 23, ahead of Boston, which then took Jon Lester.

“My father [Dave] used to take the train from Springfield to Boston to see the Red Sox,” says Francoeur. “He went to Chicopee Commerce. All the family’s out there. My brother and sister were born up there, then my parents moved to Atlanta.”

Talk about a perfect personality for Fenway Park… Team USA players like to tell the story of Francoeur confronting Alex Rodriguez during the WBC for trashing a clubhouse kid who brought him the wrong sandwich.

“It’s going to be wild because of all the family I’ll have there,” he says. “Problem is, they’ll all be rooting for the Red Sox.”

End of text

By eric the elder

March 6, 2007 2:07 PM | Link to this

Davies’ 5 hits and 2 walks in 2 innings make Hampton’s recovery even more critical. The thought of Villareal and Cormier anchoring the 4 and 5 spots in our rotation takes some of the gleam off our high hopes.

By Bob, journalist

March 6, 2007 2:10 PM | Link to this

What’s the skinny on Corky Miller? Maybe he can pitch … 6-4 Washington nobody out.

By True Braves Fan

March 6, 2007 2:13 PM | Link to this

DOB: 1. Which is the real KD? (Are we really considering MM as a left handed starter? But like you say, we have to wait until later in Spring Training to make judgements, but think KD and MM would like to forget today.

By Arkansas Hillbilly

March 6, 2007 2:17 PM | Link to this

So it was you, Hillbilly. Uhhh, it’s cool; keep ‘em. I got clown shoes like the unibomber’s got hoodies. BTW, let me know where you’re sitting at the next Braves game; I want to make sure I’m at least 200 yards away. You do hunt with a shotgun, right?

Grinch,

I’ve got range, bubba…..mad range. So much range, that Ozzie Smith once said , “Damn that kid has range.”

By ssiscribe

March 6, 2007 2:18 PM | Link to this

Denzines of the blogosphere, best hope the Braves brought their bats to Viera, cuz the pitching just isn’t there today to this point. McBride got lit up in the third for four runs.

The good news: Sounds like Kelly Johnson made a nice play to his left to get an out in the ugly bottom of the third.

6-4 Nats. McBride and Davies have allowed nine hits in three innings, but Macay is batting to lead off the fourth.

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By Kick Me Now Please

March 6, 2007 2:19 PM | Link to this

DOB’s sitting down in Florida with a stogey in his mouth, watching the Braves play, getting into who knows what kind of trouble at night. And I’m stuck inside the office just having finished reprimanding an employee for spending too much time in the bathroom. Man, I’ve really screwed up!

By David O'Brien

March 6, 2007 2:21 PM | Link to this

Brian Schneider CRUSHED a two-run homer off McBride _ lefty on lefty.

This is not a good day for Los Bravos.

Kyle Davies _ 2 innings, 2 runs, five hits, two walks.

By Bob, journalist

March 6, 2007 2:21 PM | Link to this

Elder Eric, not to worry … Bobby is grooming MacKay in case Kyle doesn’t measure up … the Nats fear McBride … as a hitter, not as a pitcher.

By KJalltheway

March 6, 2007 2:21 PM | Link to this

Kelly is tearing it up today. Thank God! I hope everyone accepts hims as being the everyday secondbaseman. I love Pete Orr in a Mike Mordecai kind of way. I like having him around but I honestly feel that Kelly Johnson is the real deal and he should prove it this year if given the opportunity. By the way, I just did some research. Did anyone ever hear of Kerry Lightenburg after his 30 save season? I never knew what happened to him but apparently he had somewhat of a major arm injury and now is trying to make it on the Red’s squad. Good luck to him.

By David O'Brien

March 6, 2007 2:22 PM | Link to this

No, they’re not considering McBride as a starter. Just saw that question asked above.

By rammerjammer

March 6, 2007 2:22 PM | Link to this

Ah, can’t have too much of that starting pitching, can we? Good that we have six starters (seven with Oscar)!

Guys like Smoltz can shrug off this kind of afternoon. It’ll be very interesting to see how young Davies responds next time out.

A one-way ticket to Richmond could be in the offing.

Why (yes, a transition) was BC so unexcited about Cormier yesterday? Are they wanting so badly for Davies to succeed? Is a Devine-like meltdown feared?

I am curious at this curious behavior.

By Shaun

March 6, 2007 2:24 PM | Link to this

eric the elder,

Key words in your last post: “2 innings.” We shouldn’t get all that freaked out about two innings in March.

Was it you who brought up Kelly Johnson’s hitless performance against Georgia Tech and ignored the fact that Chipper, Renteria and one or two other stars were also hitless?

Here’s some advice: judge a little slower in baseball.

By Arkansas Hillbilly

March 6, 2007 2:24 PM | Link to this

Cormier deals, Davies struggles. I’m sticking with my original Cormier suggestion until I see something more convincing from Davies. But I betcha a Coke it don’t happen that way.

By LivingRight

March 6, 2007 2:27 PM | Link to this

I heard boyer is supposed to pitch. Can anyone confirm this?

By Arkansas Hillbilly

March 6, 2007 2:31 PM | Link to this

By eric the elder

March 6, 2007 2:07 PM | Link to this

Davies’ 5 hits and 2 walks in 2 innings make Hampton’s recovery even more critical. The thought of Villareal and Cormier anchoring the 4 and 5 spots in our rotation takes some of the gleam off our high hopes

Ironically, I’m envisioning our rotation looking strikingly similar to what it was last year at some points in the season.

By Bob, journalist

March 6, 2007 2:31 PM | Link to this

Pete talks of the Washington pitchers being on a tight pitch count … maybe it’s the desire to win some games this year … even if it’s in spring training. 6-5

By David O'Brien

March 6, 2007 2:32 PM | Link to this

I shouldn’t say absolutely that they’re not looking at McBride to start, but I’ll say it with relative certainty. And if they were even vaguely considering it, today should be a reminder why that probably isn’t a good option.

His third inning started like this: Walk, Double, two-run Double (lefty Travis Lee), two-run Homer (lefty Brian Schneider)… And before it was through he gave up a single to a relief pitcher. Ugh.

They left McBride in to hit (got hit by a pitch), presumably gonna pitch again (have to eat the innings after Kyle only went two)

By Bob, journalist

March 6, 2007 2:33 PM | Link to this

Elder Cato, that young Feller is something else!

By Bubba

March 6, 2007 2:35 PM | Link to this

Davies is so inconsistent. Great first outing and then blows up today. Guess you cant ask too much out of a 5th starter.

By ssiscribe

March 6, 2007 2:37 PM | Link to this

I heard Pete say when Macay came in that he’s “in the mix” for a starter’s job, and that could lead to Coyler, a lefty non-roster guy, having a shot to get into the bullpen.

I just don’t see it, guys. I think McBride’s got the chops to start, but for now, his arm in the seventh or to come in and pitch in the eighth to lefties if Gonzalez is going to pitch the ninth is far more important.

If Hampton cannot go at the start of the season, then I think you’ll see both Davies and Cormier in the rotation. Again, Villarreal is a valuable inning eater, the guy to bridge the gap from the fourth to the seventh if a starter gets knocked out early or if it’s a situation where Hampton’s pitching and can’t get deep into the game.

OK, back to it. The Scribe abides.

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By GeorgetownKid

March 6, 2007 2:39 PM | Link to this

Mr. O’Brien,

I’m in Germany right now, getting ready for bed. But I wanted to check up on the goings-on in Florida.

I have a quick question for you. How set in stone are the roster spots for Davies and Woodward?

Because I get the impression that Davies would have to be absolutely terrible and that Cormier would have to discover a cure for cancer while pitching in order for Davies to start the year at Richmond. Moreover, if Woodward is virtually guaranteed a roster spot, that basically precludes the possibility of Escobar, Prado or Orr making the team (assuming Johnson starts).

And by the way, to answer your question to me from a week ago, my Hoyas are indeed pretty tough right now. But I very much wish Hibbart would have red-shirted. He is a rising Junior, but he is soooo raw.

But they’re still a class below your J-Hawks. Kansas is so balanced this year, and so young.

But I must admit, Georgetown is my grad school. My love is with Virginia (where I actually played for a year), and they’re pretty impressive this year. I wouldn’t bet much on them in the Tournament though.

Thanks Mr. O’Brien

By GeorgetownKid

March 6, 2007 2:40 PM | Link to this

Mr. O’Brien,

I’m in Germany right now, getting ready for bed. But I wanted to check up on the goings-on in Florida.

I have a quick question for you. How set in stone are the roster spots for Davies and Woodward?

Because I get the impression that Davies would have to be absolutely terrible and that Cormier would have to discover a cure for cancer while pitching in order for Davies to start the year at Richmond. Moreover, if Woodward is virtually guaranteed a roster spot, that basically precludes the possibility of Aybar, Prado or Orr making the team (assuming Johnson starts).

And by the way, to answer your question to me from a week ago, my Hoyas are indeed pretty tough right now. But I very much wish Hibbart would have red-shirted. He is a rising Junior, but he is soooo raw.

But they’re still a class below your J-Hawks. Kansas is so balanced this year, and so young.

But I must admit, Georgetown is my grad school. My love is with Virginia (where I actually played for a year), and they’re pretty impressive this year. I wouldn’t bet much on them in the Tournament though.

Thanks Mr. O’Brien

By Bob, journalist

March 6, 2007 2:46 PM | Link to this

6-6 Mr Escobar drinks Coca Cola!

By ssiscribe

March 6, 2007 2:46 PM | Link to this

Yunel Escobar continues his torrid spring: Opposite field solo homer (to right center) ties it at 6-6. Second RBI of the day for Escobar.

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By ssiscribe

March 6, 2007 2:47 PM | Link to this

Ryan Langerhans follows up with a blast of his own to make it 7-6 Braves.

Glad the guys brought their bats. This one may end up 15-14.

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By Patrick

March 6, 2007 2:52 PM | Link to this

Escobar is just tearing it up!

Don’t know how the Braves can justify sending him down…

By Jeff R

March 6, 2007 2:53 PM | Link to this

Let’s see what Johnson does with his glove. Gotta believe he’s got range and can turn a double play—that’s too fundamental to overlook—but does the guy have the instincts for the position? By that I mean how good is he at anticipating the ball off the bat? Good fielders (especially infielders) move well ahead of the ball. That’s definitely not a skill; it’s pure instinct.

By Braveheart

March 6, 2007 2:53 PM | Link to this

don’t ever go to boston, frenchy. don’t ever go there.

in Boston, they end up trashing all of their legends, all stars, and hometown faves. everyone of their best players leaves in disgrace up there.

Nomar left in disgrace. Mo Vaughn left in disgrace. Roger Clemens left in disgrace. Ted Williams was treated like crap for much of his career. Wade Boggs was discarded like he was nothing. Damon was villified. Trot was treated like they were losing a bag of donuts. Millar was quickly forgotten by management - not by the fans as DOB has pointed out. Pedro was treated like a chump. They have discarded the heart and soul and of their early 2000’s teams - Nomar, Trot, Pedro, Foulke, Millar, Bronson, Walker, Mueller, Damon, et al.

Nomar, Pedro, Mo, Rocket, Boggs all seemed beloved for years up there. They were Boston. It is hard to watch them play for other teams. But somehow contract situations come up and the ownership group is able to convince the media (who had previously loved the guy) to just trash the heck out of the player.

Gammons seems like a fair player but even he has been guilty, if not of trashing the guy on the way out the door, of at least being far too ambivalent and acting as if it is no big loss to lose the player.

The rest of the Boston media though just seems to be in management’s backpocket - no matter who the ownership group or GM are. They get ruthless in killing the player or justifying why the player all of a sudden needs to leave the team. Very sad.

Once the media up there jumps on a guy’s back at the request of management, the fans then follow and there is no way for the guy to ever really return to Boston. Very sad.

They have been trying for years with Manny Ramirez. Whatever his problems are, Manny just rakes at the plate. But, for whatever reason, Boston has seemingly been hellbent on trading him. They keep using the media to somehow try to trash him so that they can justify the jettisoning of Manny. To the fan’s credit though, they can not seem to take Manny down. The whole Manny being Manny persona and the fact that he keeps killing the ball and the Yankees prevents the fans from allowing the media and the owners to think they are cool with losing Manny.

Just watch this year. It is about to happen to Schilling. Schilling will make matters worse by being a loudmouthed boor but the media will be foaming at the mouth to kill him (at, of course, the request of Boston management).

So, do not ever go to Boston, Frenchy. Stay a Brave as long as you can. At least when Bobby and John S. decide to shove you out the door, they do their best to leave your dignity intact. No Brave has ever really left this team being disgraced by management. In fact, they have been very discreet about the reasons which have at times been very juicy.

For example, the Andruw situation in Boston this year would be brutal. But here in the ATL, both sides are allowed to state their positions on what it will take to sign without venom being spit at Andruw by the media at the request of management. As a result, fans are not forced to be a bunch of dummies and kill Andruw because their owners will not play fair market value.

Isn’t always funny that lurid details of a player’s personal life or lockerroom behavior are thrown out there in Boston just so coincidentally around the walkout year of a contract?

If the AROD/Frenchy story is so true and so talked about amongst the players, then why was it never brought up last year when it would have been so relevant considering that everyone was piling on AROD last summer?

The timing of it coming out is pretty odd, isn’t it? Could it be the Yankees management wants AROD gone as fast as possible, so they leaked it trying to justify getting rid of AROD? Or did they do it so that they could stick up for their boy Jeter and show that despite AROD “coming clean and honest” a few weeks ago, that the problems in the lockerroom are all AROD instigated? Or did Boston management leak it to Gammons hoping to create more lockerroom tension in the Yankees lockerroom in a situation that is dying down after AROD’s coming clean statements a few weeks ago?

Hmmmm……

I am starting to sound like I am writing a very especially bad episode of a very bad Courtney Cox television show called Dirt.

By Braveheart

March 6, 2007 2:58 PM | Link to this

is anyone still complaining that they did not hit any homers in the first four games of freaking spring training?

By Bob, journalist

March 6, 2007 2:59 PM | Link to this

I’m taking a break after getting a “glimpse” of Boyer, but while Escobar’s performance speaks volumes in both Spanish and English … methinks that Langerhans is making a statement of his own.

By eric the elder

March 6, 2007 3:02 PM | Link to this

Shaun:

*Was it you who brought up Kelly Johnson’s hitless performance against Georgia Tech and ignored the fact that Chipper, Renteria and one or two other stars were also hitless?

Here’s some advice: judge a little slower in baseball.*

No, I never said anything of the kind. Here’s some advice: Make sure of your sources before you start jumping on people.

Oh, and stop patronizing me.

By Renegator

March 6, 2007 3:06 PM | Link to this

DOB,

Thanks for the updates as usual. Question: What is the upside to Chris Woodward? Does Cox just want him to be a “Clubhouse Leader” a la Brian Jordan, Eddie Perez, etc. Seems like Bobby loves these veterans that are well past their prime to use them as clubhouse leaders. Surely, Chipper and Smoltz can provide enough leadership. Seems like the IF prospects Prado, Escobar, Lillibridge, even Orr would be better choices as backup IF than Woodward. What am I missing about this guy that Bobby sees? Thanks!

By eric the elder

March 6, 2007 3:06 PM | Link to this

Shaun:

*Was it you who brought up Kelly Johnson’s hitless performance against Georgia Tech and ignored the fact that Chipper, Renteria and one or two other stars were also hitless?

Here’s some advice: judge a little slower in baseball.*

No, I never said anything of the kind. Here’s some advice: Make sure of your sources before you start jumping on people.

Oh, and stop patronizing me.

By Bob, journalist

March 6, 2007 3:10 PM | Link to this

Braveheart, let me give you some advice … don’t be too quick to judge Boston … it has some fine museums, antiques and excellent chowder.

By Patrick

March 6, 2007 3:10 PM | Link to this

Bob,

You are aware that while Langerhans does have 2 homers this spring, he also has 13 strikeouts already-which I couldn’t believe when I heard that…

And pretty good inning for Boyer—couple walks-but no runs-not be after not pitching for a whole year

By Mangum

March 6, 2007 3:11 PM | Link to this

i would not be surprised to see Edgar traded sometimes after the season with all the SS studs we have that seem like they will be ready any day now for the majors. He’ll have one year left on his contract and will be relatively cheap. Seems like it would make sense to clear up some money that we can put toward either Andruw or Smoltz and also get something in return.

By LivingRight

March 6, 2007 3:12 PM | Link to this

Sox Fans SHOULD be trashing Schilling! How’s Boyer doing? is he in?

By Epinephrine

March 6, 2007 3:13 PM | Link to this

This Soriano business is making me pretty nervous. In order for us to have an effective starting rotation, we absolutely need Gonzo, Soriano, and Wickman to be on their respecive games.

By LivingRight

March 6, 2007 3:16 PM | Link to this

I feel that if Langy gets the chance to play everyday, he will be awesome! If he has to platoon, he will be mediocre.

Same with Pete Orr. What has Kelly Johnson ever done on the big league level to give him such an advantage in this “competition” for second base?

By Renegator

March 6, 2007 3:21 PM | Link to this

Mangum:

I like the way you think. If we can move Renteria that gives our prospects new life at SS!

By Shaun

March 6, 2007 3:25 PM | Link to this

Braveheart,

Did everyone of their stars leave in disgrace? Epstein got killed when he traded Nomar; and as it turned out Epstein was right and the Sox were better off without him. The front office did fine letting Mo Vaughn go—look what happened to him shortly after he left. Looks like letting Pedro go was a good move. Most of the players from the early 2000’s teams that they let go were let go at the right time.

Damon still has good years left, but it’s likely the Yankees will regret that contract soon.

About the only guy the Boston front office really messed up on from your list was Clemens.

I’m sure when teams and players part ways there are often going to be hurt feelings. And sports talk radio is always looking for something to talk about because drama sells.

I don’t think anyone is to blame if the situations in Boston aren’t ideal when a star player leaves. Seems like a tough situation in any city magnified by playing in a large city with media and fans obsessed with the baseball team.

By ncscoots

March 6, 2007 3:25 PM | Link to this

Uh, Patrick, 13 K for Langerhans might be a little tough to do. I doubt he has even 13 AB yet this spring, plus he’s hitting .360+.

By BUSHWACKER

March 6, 2007 3:26 PM | Link to this

Scheurholz blows away the field in best GM contest BUT WE ARE DOOMED…If Billy Knight can get 19 votes I’m afraid there are enough idiots out there to elect Hillary.

By BUSHWACKER

March 6, 2007 3:28 PM | Link to this

They are not going to get rid of Langerhans because he will be our starting centerfielder next year!

By Shaun

March 6, 2007 3:29 PM | Link to this

eric the elder,

I apologize. Just sounded like something you would say judging by how you are ready to throw Davies under the bus for 2 bad innings in March.

By ssiscribe

March 6, 2007 3:29 PM | Link to this

Another hit for Prado, leading off the seventh. He continues his fine work.

Great inning for Blaine Boyer. Two walks, but no hits and no runs in his first inning in, what, nearly a year?

And Corky Miller just lost one down the line in left, a two-run shot to make it 9-6 Braves.

—30—

By Troy

March 6, 2007 3:30 PM | Link to this

Hey DOB- I haven’t blogged in a while, I’ve been real busy with school and stuff. Just a quick question what seems to be the reaction about Willie Harris down there? I know the braves like Aybar for the utility spot in paticular because they see him as a solid replacement at third in case chipper went down for an extended period of time, and I know that Aybar hasn’t even played a game yet, but I like Harris he is a versitle veteran with good speed and he is playing really well. Could Aybar start at AAA or is he out of options? Your Thoughts?

By Hunter

March 6, 2007 3:42 PM | Link to this

No way we can expect to win if we lose our starting second baseman and trade our starting first baseman and shortstop. Now, I’m really excited about the young guys but you have to understand the value and importance of a guy like Renteria who is a veteran presence and a winner, and oh yeah, an all star. Now, this time next year it may be a different story when these guys are ready for the bigs full time, but for now I want a bargain like Renteria at shortstop. Oh, and Pete Orr, really? I think we found out that the two years before this one were the exception and not the rule. He’s probably more of what we saw last year, which is to say he’s a descent utility player with above average speed, who doesn’t take many pitches or get on base enough to use his speed, with no power, and who is average defensively. He’s the 25th man on your roster and a pinch runner. Kelly Johnson hit as well two years ago as Orr did last(average wise) year but got on base more and hit for more power, has more upside and is a few years younger. If you can find him a job regularly then you should give him a shot to perform.

By KJalltheway

March 6, 2007 3:42 PM | Link to this

Kelly Johnson was one of the first rookies called up last year, even before Frenchie. He was a shortstop brought up to replace former rookie of the year Raul Mondesi in right field. First game he throws Jim Thome out at home. The guy is an infielder. Yes, I know Thome isn’t Ricky Henderson. What I’m saying is this is the kind of guy the Braves need. He can obviously adjust to a new position and have success defensively. He is the most patient hitter I’ve seen in a very very long time. That alone should earn him a spot considering the number of strikeouts the Braves had last year. He brings depth to the outfield and both sides of the infield. Also, he can definitely perform the essential functions of a leadoff hitter. The leadoff hitter is supposed to get on base and score runs. That’s what he does and he does it well.

By Hunter

March 6, 2007 3:44 PM | Link to this

Troy,

Aybar is out of options, yes.

By True Braves Fan

March 6, 2007 3:48 PM | Link to this

DOB: Seems that several balls today have been hit OVER the outfielders heads. Are they playing shallow on everyone, or is there a wind we have not been told about?

By Shaun

March 6, 2007 3:48 PM | Link to this

Braveheart,

The Red Sox front office seems to be different from a lot of other organizations in that they don’t acquire and pay players on what they have done but what they are likely to do during the length of a possible contract.

And quite frankly their assessments have been right lately. (As I said, Roger Clemens was a mistake but in hindsight you could see a valid reason they let go of Clemens when they did.)

Sometimes players get their feelings hurt because of that and I don’t really blame them. I’m sure it’s difficult when a team that you were a key part of doesn’t want you anymore. But the team’s goal is winning and there comes a time when certain players have to be let go because they are overvalued.

And I don’t think the front office tries to bad mouth players they don’t want. I think maybe it gets leaked too soon that they feel it’s time to let a particular player walk. Or I think a few of the folks in the media that are the loudest try to stir up controversy because that’s how they make their living and it gets blown out of proportion quickly.

By KC

March 6, 2007 3:48 PM | Link to this

Mangum: I agree. I think there’s a pretty good chance of that happening, but it would probably have to be Lillibridge that would make that happen. Elvis Andrews is probably still 2 years away, and I don’t know if Escobar can play SS.

If Lillibridge continues to hit .300-plus at AAA, and/or impresses this spring and in September (when he’ll no doubt be one of the call-ups)… the Atlanta SS position could be his next year.

By BUSHWACKER

March 6, 2007 3:50 PM | Link to this

I agree with LivingRight , Pete Orr gets on base virtually every time he plays, he’s fast and a slap hitter which is what you need a leadoff, not a line drive/power hitter. Cox said KJ can hits some home runs at leadoff, that was Furcal’s problem, he thought he was apower hitter instead of slapping into the ground and using your speed, a la Otis Nixon!!!

By Bob, journalist

March 6, 2007 3:51 PM | Link to this

Patrick,

They say Ryan needs to be more aggressive at the plate … I think it’s a question of fundamentals but maybe that’s just semantics.

In the previous Blog, my “Another fundamental on which we need work … fouling off pitches that are too close to take. Many of our guys either strike out with the bat on their shoulder and words for the umpire … or make weak, nonproductive outs trying to put the ball in play … while methinks there are several so guilty, it was young Mr. Langerhans that triggered the thought.

Color me crazy but I think we’d still have a pretty good team were we to rid ourselves of all the stars and play the kids.

By ssiscribe

March 6, 2007 3:52 PM | Link to this

Another hit for Prado. Man, dude is as hot as the end of a cigar being smoked by a beat writer in the Florida sun.

—30—

By Shaun

March 6, 2007 3:54 PM | Link to this

LivingRight,

Kelly Johnson has clearly been a much better player than Orr throughout their minor and major league careers. And why should only their major league careers count? I understand the majors is better competition, but baseball is still baseball at the minor league level. And Johnson looks like the better option at this point, based on past minor and major league performance and age.

By BUSHWACKER

March 6, 2007 3:58 PM | Link to this

No one is rooting against KJ, but it just seems Pete Orr has ALL the tools for batting lead off, how about a little competition, don’t just hand the job to KJ.

By BUSHWACKER

March 6, 2007 4:00 PM | Link to this

I have to be honest, I am suprised how much me and others are blogging about the BRAVES…must have something to do with the FALCONS stinking up the loint the last 2 years.

Heck I might even watch some hockey and roundball. NOT!!

By BUSHWACKER

March 6, 2007 4:03 PM | Link to this

Yea but Pete ain’t a girls name!!!

By Bob, journalist

March 6, 2007 4:04 PM | Link to this

Patrick, one last note … my statement that Ryan was making a statement … wasn’t referring to homeruns … the timing was just coincidence.

Hopefully, he won’t become enamored with the “long fly”!

By ncscoots

March 6, 2007 4:04 PM | Link to this

KC, Escobar’s natural position is SS. He played there for the Cubans, and in his minor league career. He has both range and a bazooka. Why would you say you “don’t know if Escobar can play SS”? Just curious.

By Shaun

March 6, 2007 4:05 PM | Link to this

BUSHWACKER,

Are you serious? Pete Orr’s OBP in the minors was .320 and in the majors is .304. I don’t think that’s getting on every time he plays. That’s an out in almost 70 percent of his pro plate appearances.

Orr’s basically a pinch-runner/defensive replacement.

By Troy

March 6, 2007 4:06 PM | Link to this

Prado is really making things interesting at 2B, If he winds up winning himself the job as the starter when the season opens, what then would happen to KJ, surely the outfield mix would be a little too crowded for him to be an option there. I know its early but Pete Van Wieren said it himself on todays broadcast that Prado is doing a lot to garner some well deserved attention that it would be a tough decision to leave him off the roster. I like seeing these position battles unfolding. We’ll see what happens

By eric the elder

March 6, 2007 4:08 PM | Link to this

No apology needed, Shaun, but appreciated. My comments about Davies were not intended to throw him under the bus based on 2 innings, although it probably came across that way. My longer view is that he had some early success when he was first brought up two years ago, but has not been very impressive since. He said that he needs to issue fewer walks and be more aggressive with hitters. Today he issued two walks and it sounds like his strike pitches got creamed. I fear that this could cause him to lose confidence in being aggressive. Yes, one short outing, but the uneasy pattern continues.

Like you, I’m pulling for the kid, but …

By LivingRight

March 6, 2007 4:11 PM | Link to this

Shaun,

I admit, I did not do much research on their minor league career numbers before my post regarding Kelly and Pete. I guess I just want to see some competition, and don’t undertand why someone who has never played the position in the majors, and hasn’t exactly torn it up offensively, isn’t exactly the fastest guy on the team is essentially begin given the spot.

I like kelly as a player, and hope he does great. I just think that he is getting a lot of credit for simply showing that he can take pitches and “has a good sense of the strike zone” when he first got called up.

By RC

March 6, 2007 4:12 PM | Link to this

When a blogger said that Langerhans had “13” K’s this spring, what they really meant was “5”. Unless he picked up 6 today. Just pointing it out.

By MGL

March 6, 2007 4:15 PM | Link to this

McBride pulled a vulture act today and got the win.

By Hunter

March 6, 2007 4:17 PM | Link to this

Thank you Shaun. I mean, it’s almost like no one has been watching when the Braves put Orr in the leadoff spot the last couple years. I remember games where he was 0-5, 0-4, or 1-4, batting leadoff. Not exactly what you want even if he hustles down the line.

ncscoots, most scouts believe Escobar is getting too big and losing some of the agility and flexibility for SS. He played 3rd in the Future’s game and now that he’s willing to play 2nd, those seem to be the more likely positions for him…that or a super-utility type guy rotating at numerous positions.

By ncscoots

March 6, 2007 4:18 PM | Link to this

RC, I guess we’re just getting a little early DOB math from a non-DOB source, LOL.

By BUSHWACKER

March 6, 2007 4:19 PM | Link to this

Sorry Shaun, I GOT A LIFE…I don’t have the stats for last years bench players right in front of me, I must have left them in briefcase…
oh yea, since your so smart you should know KJ came up the year before last and was out all last year with an injury.

By Andy(LA)

March 6, 2007 4:21 PM | Link to this

Dave,

Did I read it right in one of your posts that Wickman said he’d buy everyone a big screen TV if they won the Spring traing title? Do you think this has had an effect—not that guys wouldn’t try—but maybe energise them and make it alittle more fun, the games have a little more meaning?

By BUSHWACKER

March 6, 2007 4:22 PM | Link to this

Sorry Shaun, me and livingright have you beat 2 to 1.

What do think about trading Chipper so we can keep Andruw???

By Bob, journalist

March 6, 2007 4:22 PM | Link to this

Patrick,

Another sloppy post … my mind and fingers are mad at each other and not speaking “Hopefully, he won’t become enamored with the ‘long fly’!” was supposed to read Hopefully, he won’t make Andruw’s mistake and become enamored with the ‘long fly’!”.

Methinks that has cost Andruw major league, bigtime! He would have more homeruns, fewer strikeouts and a higher average were it not for that.

By Roper

March 6, 2007 4:23 PM | Link to this

Since we’re imbuing meaning in a week of meaningless stats- Langerhans has struck out five times in nine at-bats before today.

Pete Orr’s situation reminds me of DeRosa’s a few years back. He’s been around long enough to turn heads and convice folks he needs to play every day, but he just hasn’t. Let’s ship him off to the Rangers and give Kelly Johnson his turn.

By Kentavo

March 6, 2007 4:23 PM | Link to this

I think McBride is awful and the only reason he’s seriously considered for a major league slot is because he’s a lefty. He is NOT the answer for “situational lefty.” Unless that situation requires you to pull your hair out and throw objects at the TV.

By macdwolfpack

March 6, 2007 4:27 PM | Link to this

Dave, Remember how quick you were to say Joey Devine should go spend the entire season at Richmond. Nice comeback today! It’s way too soon to make any assumptions about any players this early in spring training as you well know. By the way did you get my message about the Christina Aguilera album “Back to Basics”?

By LivingRight

March 6, 2007 4:29 PM | Link to this

RC, thanks for pointing that out. I would love to see Langy playing everyday. I think that if they give him the chance, he will produce. Gotta love his hustle. There isn’t another team in the league with 4 guys that hustle more than Langy, Orr, Thorman, Frenchy. At least when it comes to getting down the first baseline.

By RC

March 6, 2007 4:31 PM | Link to this

Wow, just looking up the stats on McBride and found this interesting bit. In 38 and 2/3 innings against left handers (at the MLB level) McBride has a ZERO ERA! He also has 45 K’s and a WHIP under 1.00. No wonder they view him as a lefty specialist, today notwithstanding.

By flange1

March 6, 2007 4:31 PM | Link to this

Hi All,

The second base race is going to be very interesting. With KJ, Prado and Orr all playing well, it will be interesting to see who makes the team, who starts and who will be left out. It will be interesting to see what Aybar can do with a late start, but I really don’t see a place on the roster for Woodward. I love JS, but I don’t understand that signing at all. If you throw Pena and Escobar into the mix, we have a glut of middle infielder types. With the Andrus kid in the minors and the new SS Lillibridge almost ready, this will be a very interesting battle this spring, this year and next year! I can’t wait to see what happens.

The left field situation is also interesting. I hope Langehans continues to hit. I think he is the solution if he will get more aggressive at the plate. Diaz is a great hitter and should be a great pinch hitter. Wilson can hit as well, but I am hoping langerhans continues to hit. I think his upside is much greater thatn the other two.

The bullpen is another interesting race! I think Yates and Paranto will make the club so who will be take the last spot? I think Boyer will pitch well and take it. I think Villareal and Cormier are be groomed to be traded.

If Davies does not self destruct, I think the Braves want him in the 5 slot.. With larue and Harrison in Richmond.

Thoughts?

By ncscoots

March 6, 2007 4:32 PM | Link to this

Hunter, please illumine me as to “most scouts”.

By Bob, journalist

March 6, 2007 4:34 PM | Link to this

RC, I think that Patrick probably just got his at bats and strikeouts confused but 5 is still too many.

Langerhans seems like the kind of person that can solve a problem once he knows what the problem is … maybe thinks too much … confidence breeds aggressiveness and maybe today’s performance provides some evidence that his confidence is on the rise.

By flange1

March 6, 2007 4:36 PM | Link to this

Did everyone see the ESPN story that is linking our beloved John Rocker, David Bell and wrestler Kurt Angle to the Alabama steroid or HGH investigation?

Is John Rocker a cheater? as our beloved JJS would say, OH THE HUMANITY!!!!!

By LivingRight

March 6, 2007 4:40 PM | Link to this

Hey Roper, Look What Derosa did last year when he got the chance! If the braves aren’t going to give Pete a chance than I hope they do get rid of him so he can go somewhere else and play.

Yeah, there were some games that he went 0-4, 0-5. But he never got to really play consistently. When you only play a little here and a little there, it is nearly impossible to get in a groove. Look what Laroche did once they gave him the chance.

I am not saying Pete should definitely play in front of Kelly. In fact, maybe neither of them will be the guy. However, none of our second baseman have proven themselves, so lets not just hand it to any of them.

By Bob, journalist

March 6, 2007 4:51 PM | Link to this

LivingRight, you’ve got a point but I think that we did give Mark a chance … maybe more than one.

I certainly don’t dislike Orr but we may be seeing more talent on the field … infield and out … than we now realize.

By Hunter

March 6, 2007 4:52 PM | Link to this

ncscoots, nice job jumping straight to an attitude when I’m just stating what I’ve heard/read. Are you related to Escobar or something or just his agent? These “scouts” I speak of are people at Baseball America and baseball experts who publish their opinions in some form so people like me can read about them. I wonder if you are one of these people who think that since Chipper was drafted as a shortstop, we should have moved him back there last year when we needed one and kept Marte and played him at 3rd? Please man, I’m trying to have an educated conversation about baseball…I didn’t insult your mother.

By MGL

March 6, 2007 5:01 PM | Link to this

DeRosa played in 393 games for the Braves over 5-6 seasons. Can’t say he was not given a chance. Fact is he was a servicable utility player but never impressed enough to win a full-time job.

By eric the elder

March 6, 2007 5:01 PM | Link to this

Bobby is doing something this spring that I applaud. (Maybe he has always done it this way.) He is starting the kids and question marks rather than having the known starters play a few and then sit.

If he waits to insert the kids in later innings, then it’s just our kids playing their kids, and nothing is learned from a minor league game. At least until we get nearer the start of the season, I would like to see all kids and all question marks play the first 3-5 innings so we can know whether they really are up to major league competition.

By Bob, journalist

March 6, 2007 5:04 PM | Link to this

Scoots, for Pete’s sake! Leave Jay Silverheels’ horse out of it and let the poor man have an educated conversation about baseball … I want to hear more of what the experts have to say.

By Bob, journalist

March 6, 2007 5:08 PM | Link to this

Hunter, my attempt at humor may be illfated and feeble but the one known as NCScoots is not of the ilk of those with boorish behavior.

By rammerjammer

March 6, 2007 5:19 PM | Link to this

Really curious to know Davies’ and Cox’s reaction to his pitching today. DOB’s, too. I wasn’t there; didn’t see or hear the game.

I know it’s only two innings, but every inning matters when your job is on the line. This is not Smoltz we’re talking about, and I doubt Davies was “experimenting” with new pitches or just getting comfortable. He’s trying to get people out, and today wasn’t a good sign.

By ssiscribe

March 6, 2007 5:20 PM | Link to this

The good: Escobar. Prado. Boyer. Devine (a solid ninth).

The bad: Davies. McBride.

The ugly: The fact I’m still not done yet, and I’m really wantin’ to get outta here, roll down the windows, crank up the tunes and fire one up. I’ve been wanting a stogie ever since DOB went off and posted his wonderful scene setter this morning, complete with cigar smoke and Florida sunshine.

And Craig’s givin’ ya some love over on the Thrashers blog, but he’s right about one thing: They’re in the playoff race over there. For now, we’re just chillin out in the wonderful wind-up to opening day.

OK, gotta get us finished. Selah.

—30—

By dougp

March 6, 2007 5:21 PM | Link to this

I have to agree with bob, scoots got some flat out skills in the braves knowledge dept.

By beachcomber

March 6, 2007 5:24 PM | Link to this

We seem to have a delightful dilemma, Prado versus Johnson. Do we platoon, play one in left? Unless one of those fine youngsters falls apart in the next three weeks, don’t know how Bobby can keep them out of the lineup for any length of time. And what about Escobar? Right now I don’t think I’d want to be named Orr, Woodward or Aybar.

By Lew

March 6, 2007 5:24 PM | Link to this

Living Right-DeRosa had his chance in Atlanta and did absolutely nothing with it, then had three more so -so years before last. It was a lot more in his situation than just giving him a chance. That being said, I do agree that I’d like to see Langerhans and Thorman get an everyday shot. If Langerhans can produce, it will go a long way to replacing Andruw next year. If nothing else, Ryan can go get em. I think, given an everyday chance he will hit, too. He will be a good gap to gap guy with some power.

By Head Coach

March 6, 2007 5:28 PM | Link to this

Yep , those Nationals really stink. The experts are right. They are about to chalk up a hundred loss season. They should have traded Soriano for some pitching. Don’t discount those Marlins just yet , they have more pitching stockpiled right now than they know what to do with. John Rocker…..Roids ? naaaaaahhhh , you must be pulling my leg !

By ssiscribe

March 6, 2007 5:31 PM | Link to this

Rammerjammer: Dude, Davies was not too good today. I listened to the game via Gameday Audio. He just didn’t have it, plain and simple. Didn’t have command. Got hit hard. Just not a good day for a guy trying to bounce back from injury and win a spot in the rotation.

The thing with Davies last year was just as much between the ears as it was physical. An outing like today could cause him to backslide a bit. Let’s hope not.

By all indications from the Braves, it’s his job to lose, and I don’t think two bad innings in Viera (albeit against a bad team; geez, the Nationals suck) will change that. He comes out and throws it well next couple of starts, he’s fine.

Heck, he and Cormier both may be in the rotation if Hampton isn’t ready come the first week in April. I still think Hampton will be able to go the first weekend, which puts Davies or Cormier in the fifth spot and the other guy in Richmond.

DOB, what’s the word on Soriano and Hampton today back at Dark Star? And what type of stogie do you recommend for your fellow denzines of the Braves/Man In Black/Toes/Pies blogosphere?

—30—

By Lew

March 6, 2007 5:35 PM | Link to this

I just don’t know about experts these days. I was listeneing to XM Home Plate today and they were talking about how the Braves WILL trade Andruw. Yeah.

By Braveheart

March 6, 2007 5:37 PM | Link to this

Bob:

I am not slighting the city of Boston. I have never been there. Everyone who has been there has told me what a great city it is. One of my biggest goals is to visit Boston and Fenway sometime in the next two years.

My critique was more about the nature of the media and the owners than anything about Boston, the sights, the food, the players, or the people that live there.

Shaun:

I understand your points about not signing those guys. As you correctly pointed out, the logic behind letting those guys go was good (even IMO, letting clemens go - there was no predicting with the way his career was spiraling down in 1996 that he would have a steroid induced revival over the last 10 years).

The criticism I was giving about Boston was the harsh way that the Boston management goes about justifying their trades and waivers or not signing guys.

If you do not want to sign a guy or you want to trade him, then fine.

But to go about playing games with the media and, as a result the fans, in order to discredit the guy as a method of justifying your moves, that is not right.

If the logic of your baseball and financial moves are so sound, then why the need to play cloak and dagger games with the reputations of players behind the scenes in order to get rid of them?

Just get rid of them if they ain’t worth keeping at the price they want. But just be quiet about it.

Be like the Braves: Maintain the courage of your quiet convictions.

As for Nomar, they worked really hard to kill the guy. Do you remember the play where Jeter dove into the stands? Do you remember Gammons on ESPN following the play saying that if Jeter had been playing for the Red Sox all those years that the Red Sox would have been winning since 1996 and not the Yankees. Oh, who was he being told to take a shot at? Somehow tell me that Gammons is not a mere puppet at times for the Red Sox management.

The fans may have been outraged about losing Nomar but I do not really remember it. The Boston fans seemed to be buying into the organization’s propganda hook, line, and sinker.

I would not say that getting rid of Nomar won anything for them. Orlando Cabrera did not win them that title. The just as easily could have used Nomar and won that thing. Cabrera is not on Nomar’s level with the bat and his defense, although slightly important, was not the differencemaker.

When you say that getting rid of Nomar worked out well for them it sounds like you bought into the propaganda as well.

If you want to get rid of Justice, Klesko, Giles, Sheffield, Drew, Maddux, Avery, Neagle, McGriff, Grissom, Lofton, Javy, Blauser, Lemke, Wohlers, Rocker, Andruw, Betemit, Dye, et al. then do it the way the Braves do, have sound reasons you keep to yourself, and just trade him, release him, waive him, let him go, whatever.

The Braves conduct themselves with class. The Red Sox conduct themselves like trash.

Even the wunderkid, Theo, himself got subjected to it when he quit for a few months but did not really quit and the ones who were trying to force him out would not let him or the organization have any dignity about the situation. They leaked things out to the media as well, trying to destroy Theo. Yeah, real classy.

Just look at the Pat Corrales situation people keep asking DOB about on here. He left. He says there are reasons other than Bobby and John S. What are they? We do not know. Why? Because the Braves have class and do not conduct themselves in the same trashy manner as the Red Sox. Even when they divulge to DOB, they tell him it is confidential and to be discrete about it.

I could be wrong but the ugliest divorces I have seen with the Braves was with Mazzone (pitchers like Hudson basically saying good riddance. Yeah, Hudson, you pitched well last year without Mazzone) and Glavine (which was more of a fan love/hate thing than an organizational thing although John S. reportedly did talk about things in his book about Glavine that perhaps he should not have. i did not read the book, so i do not know if he did or not).

the point was not that the bosox moves were good or bad.

as you pointed out shaun, there was good sound reasoning in most of the moves or nonmoves by the bosox.

The point was merely that the Red Sox organization conducts themselves like trash with no class in the way they treat their players when they want to dump them.

If I were Frenchy, I would rather stay with a classy organization than subject myself to being loved and then slaughtered all over money when they could have just as easily not signed me.

Sorry everybody for yet another ridiculously long post.

I will discover the serenity of brevity at some point hopefully.

By Head Coach

March 6, 2007 5:54 PM | Link to this

Soriano has a sore shoulder and Horam just pitched three scoreless , hitless innings for the Mariners. I didn’t like this trade when it went down , hope it was worth it.

By Lew

March 6, 2007 5:56 PM | Link to this

Braveheart-Boston is an OK city. If you plan to go for baseball, good luck with tickets. I’m still trying to get a scalped ticket for the Braves in May. They sold out with 34,000 trying to get tickets and only 900 some actually got the tickets. They sell out every game. If you do manage to get tickets, Boston is the worst city ever made for driving. I’ve driven in Philadelphia, Atlanta, Miami, Tampa, Orlando, Baltimore and DC. Boston is the worst. Stay at one of the hotels at Copley Square and take a cab to the game. A cab ride will cost you about $7 or $8- parking by Fenway (if you can get it) is absolutely outrageous. You’re talking in the $50 range-if, like I said, you can find it. The stadium is old, uncomfortable and every seat is not a premium view. I saw Schilling pitch on Easter Sunday a couple years ago, with seats by Pesky Pole. I never saw a single pitch he threw. The weather was so cold that we were wearing fleece sweatshirts, heavy coats, gloves and hats-and cursing ourselves for forgetting the long johns. The atmosphere, however, is phenomenal and probably not to be found anywhere other than Wrigley or maybe Yankee Stadium. The entire area around Fenway is totally geared for baseball and little else. It is definitely an experience. There’s something special about seeing Big Papi, Manny being Manny and the Green Monster.

By Lew

March 6, 2007 5:58 PM | Link to this

Head Coach-It doesn’t matter because we couldn’t afford Horacio, anyway. Don’t worry, though, there’s plenty more time for Horacio to end up on the DL.

By MGL

March 6, 2007 6:01 PM | Link to this

eric the elder - What you observed today regarding the kids starting is the normal Braves practice of not having the veterans ride the busses to the away games. If you watch closely, veterans start home games and the rookies and farm hands do the away stands. Lakeland tomorrow could be different since it is only about 30 mi from the Evil Empire and the veterans can drive their luxury cars.

By David O'Brien

March 6, 2007 6:05 PM | Link to this

Big Bob Wickman better start sizing up those big-screen TVs, boys _ Los Bravos are 5-1, only team in the East with a winning record. Engrave the trophy. Wait, what? There is no trophy? OK, then engrave the TVs….

But seriously, Braves have shown some good things, some bad. Obviously the middle-infield depth for coming years is sensational. Escobar will be playing for someone in the majors by next season, and no, he’s not “pure tradebait” as some have suggested here. Braves could decide Escobar is their SS for the 2008 season, if they need to save some money….

Or they could get a great offer for Escobar and keep Prado. Or they could decide Willy Aybar isn’t bad at SS (he’s taking ground balls there now) and could be the guy to bridge gap between Renteria and Elvis Andrus in a few years.

Absolutely anything could happen. But I’ll reiterate that I believe Lillibridge will be the second baseman in a couple of years….

Lew, what beacon of accuracy on XM was saying the Braves would trade Andruw? Just curious.

By Chop Chop

March 6, 2007 6:05 PM | Link to this

I bet the Red Sox would have been classy enough to give McCann and Francoeur a little more money than they’ll receive this season. Schuerholz is as condescending as they come in the GM field. He’s very lucky to be in a market like Atlanta where the media and fans will not nail him to the wall for his hubris. If he tried that act in Boston, he’d be a bitter and broken man in a couple of years.

By David O'Brien

March 6, 2007 6:10 PM | Link to this

Oh, and here’s some info from an e-mail I just got from Stats Inc. I told you folks a while back that Frenchy swung at more first pitches than anyone including Vlad the Bad last year, and this from Stats Inc supports that:

“Free-swinging Atlanta outfielder Jeff Francoeur picked up 23 walks in 2006, the lowest total among all players with 600 plate appearances. He swung at the first pitch 52.2 percent of the time to lead all major leaguers with enough plate appearances to qualify for a batting title. No one else topped 50 percent, though Vladimir Guerrero, the American Leaguer with the highest percentage of swings on the first pitch, came close at 49.3 percent.”

ALSO IN THE SAME E-MAIL, check out this stat about Brian Roberts, the O’s 2B the Braves were going to get along with Hayden Penn in that proposed trade for LaRoche/Giles that Baltimore owner Peter Angelos squashed at last minute:

“Stealing third base is almost automatic for Baltimore’s Brian Roberts, who was 12-for-12 last season — the only player who was perfect in double-digit attempts of third. Over the last three seasons, he’s been successful on 27 of 29 attempts, good for a 93.1 success rate. That’s the highest percentage in steals of third base among the 11 players with at least 20 steals since the start of the 2004 season. “

JUST THOUGHT SOME OF YOU’D BE INTERESTED.

By TennesseePaul

March 6, 2007 6:13 PM | Link to this

DeRosa played in 393 games for the Braves over 5-6 seasons. Can’t say he was not given a chance. Fact is he was a servicable utility player but never impressed enough to win a full-time job.

Well, he impressed enough to win the full time job. But then stunk so bad he lost his job. So bad the front office felt it best to move Chipper back to third base to replace Butterfingers DeRosa. If ever you want to see how a non-pitcher can single handedly lose a game, check out DeRosa’s stint at 3B. Atrocious.
Mark DeRosa took full responsibility for the Atlanta Braves’ ugly loss to the Colorado Rockies. “That was the worst I’ve ever played,” DeRosa said. “It was bad all the way around.” Luis Gonzalez hit a three-run homer and the Rockies took advantage of seven errors — including four by DeRosa
—AP

It was the single worst game I think I’ve ever seen anyone play. In that game DeRosa tied an Atlanta single-game record with his four errors, tying Darrell Evans’ mark, done Sept. 20, 1975. Darrell Evans manages Long Beach’s team. He was an All Star 3B with 414 homers and 1354 RBIs.

By Braves fan 202

March 6, 2007 6:14 PM | Link to this

Im freakin out! i cannot wait til April 2nd, Im havin braves withdraws!!

By Braveheart

March 6, 2007 6:14 PM | Link to this

DOB: considering how much props you gave Greg Dulli a few days ago, it would have been real cool if you entitled this blog today Dulli Only To The Dulli-Minded and then put Dulli lyrics above. Red Smith could have never pulled that off. Only you, bud.

But the Ritter thing was cool.

Josh Ritter or not though, whenever I hear the Ritter name, for some reason, it always takes me back to the glory days when I was a little kid watching Three’s Company reruns all afternoon.

May John Ritter, my boy Jack Tripper, rest in peace eternally with the Lord.

By bringing up the name Ritter, I’m getting such a Ritter jones right now, I’m gonna get me a Slingblade and pop it in the DVD player. Mmmm-Hmmmm.

By David O'Brien

March 6, 2007 6:17 PM | Link to this

Scribe, here’s note I just wrote on Hampton/Soriano for the paper, probably not posted yet:

The best pitching news for the Braves came from back at their camp, where Mike Hampton had his second consecutive pain-free bullpen session.

Cox announced the left-hander is tentatively scheduled to make his spring debut Saturday vs. the Toronto Blue Jays at Disney’s Wide World of Sports. He’s coming back from elbow surgery and it’s been 17 months since he last pitched in a game.

Meanwhile, reliever Rafael Soriano (sore shoulder) soft-tossed at camp. Cox insists Soriano is �fine,� though no date is set for his spring debut.

ADD FROM ME NOW, LIVE: I think you’ve gotta be a little concerned about Soriano, just because of his shoulder problems in past. But it is completely normal for a guy who hasn’t been throwing much, who’s late to camp or whatever and dives right in, to have some soreness early. It really is. I’m not soft-peddling it, because as I said, there’s got to be at least some concern. But I wouldn’t get carried away with worry at least for a few more days.

The Hampton stuff is big, obviously. Now Saturday will be the next and biggest test to date, even if just one inning.

By Bob, journalist

March 6, 2007 6:18 PM | Link to this

Braveheart, the original William Wallace would never apologize for telling the truth but neither would he take me seriously!

Still, the chowder, antiques, and musuems are mighty good … the tea is cheap too, if you like very Old English.

And, might I also add my expert, if not educated, opinion that you’re a man after me own heart … succinct!!

I used to believe and listen to the experts like Shaun and Hunter … up until the fourth grade. The experts thought it best that I repeat that grade … and I did, proving them wrong … not about me intelligence but it was clearly a waste of time cause I certainly learned nothing new … strong evidence that I got it all the first time!

No, methinks the best conversations are oft held with those who have learned rather than those who have been educated.

The news is out, all over town … Braves win again!

bye

By Bob, journalist

March 6, 2007 6:23 PM | Link to this

Braveheart, the refresh button revealed your “Ritter” refference … it’s a mind trigger for me too … not John but his daddy Tex!

One last thing, …

bye

By TennesseePaul

March 6, 2007 6:27 PM | Link to this

HoRam started that game DeRo blew. HoRam was pulled after 3 and a third I think. His line was 0 ER 8 R. 8! Eight unearned runs by the 4th inning. Everyone was off that game, but DeRo was the worst.

By woogidy

March 6, 2007 6:28 PM | Link to this

Chop chop, both of those guys got signing bonuses. Francoeur got 2.2 mil before playing in the Majors, and McCann 750k. I think they’re ok… I mean Ryan Howard is only making 900k this season. JS is a businessman first and a friend second, and that is what he is paid to be. Also, he would never go to Boston. Anyone could GM in Boston, NY, Chicago. It’s pretty simple, You go get the biggest “name” player on the market, no matter the cost. Tell Boston’s GM to build a farm system. EVERY player in the projected starting lineup is a product of the Braves farm system. Drafted or traded for with a player from the farm system.

By David O'Brien

March 6, 2007 6:31 PM | Link to this

Slingblade, outstanding. “I aim to kill you with it.”

Scribe, you can never go wrong with a fat Padron, Macanudo, La Gloria Cubana, Arturo Fuente, Ashton, Partagas, CAO, Davidoff, or of course, Cohiba. I like a ton of middle-priced to high-end cigars (if someone’s giving me the high-dollar ones, especially).

By David O'Brien

March 6, 2007 6:37 PM | Link to this

Oh, one other thing, thought Robert would like this: Nationals writers (folks from DC and Baltimore papers) were talking to their manager Manny Acta this morning and asked him what he thinks of when he thinks of Bobby Cox. He said he thought of the Mets (Acta’s old team) getting beat by the Braves every year until last year, and said, “When I think of Bobby Cox, I think of John Wooden.”

OK, gotta drive back to Orlando and dinner.

By ncscoots

March 6, 2007 6:37 PM | Link to this

Hunter, I wasn’t coppin’ ‘tude, brah. Honest. That’s just the way I write (and speak, for that matter). You were talking data about Escobar that was unknown to me, that’s all, and I was asking who the scouts were.

I haven’t seen Escobar this spring, but unless he has put on 25 pounds over the winter, he’s no bigger than Jeter or Tejada. OK, he’s bigger than Eckstine, LOL, but I wouldn’t think that means he’s losing the agility to play SS :-)

In any event, I had no malevolent intent, I assure you. Most folks here know I’m a pussycat, unless they see the burning edges of the the post curling up!

By eware

March 6, 2007 6:42 PM | Link to this

Does anyone know the dates spring training cuts are supposed to happen? I’m ready for the first one.

By Yars

March 6, 2007 6:43 PM | Link to this

Since it seems this has turned into the Pete Orr blog, he is not in the mix for the 2B job. Orr’s only problem is that he can’t hit on a consistent basis. I figure the Braves must think Woodward will be more valuable to them this season than Orr would. Why else would they have gotten him? Escobar has no chance of making the opening day roster. 2B is a battle between K. Johnson & Prado. There is no way you will have Escobar riding the bench this season when he could be in Richmond playing everyday. We all know how Bobby is. He speaks highly of all his players. If KJ wins the 2B job, I guess it will be Aybar & Woodward as the backup infielders, and Prado & Orr will go to Richmond? I think the Braves already know what players like Prado & Orr are capable of doing. Sure, Prado is the hottest hitter on the team right now, but let’s see his stats 1 week from now. The Braves know K. Johnson can hit. They were only worried about his fielding at 2B. So far, so good.

By ncscoots

March 6, 2007 6:58 PM | Link to this

Hunter, one other thing…I, in fact, happen to agree that The Whistler’s position may sooner than later become 3B, regardless of what MLB team he is on. I think he’ll have the bat to play a corner, and his arm might rival Scott Rolen’s (well, in the same area code, anyway…Rolen’s arm was grafted on from Lee Majors, I think).

By Dr. Tchock

March 6, 2007 7:01 PM | Link to this

With all the Boston comments, I thought I’d chime in, as I’m currently sitting in a Brownstone right off of Kenmore Sq. That’s the place with the big Citgo sign for those slightly less familiar with the city.

I’m a Braves fan through and through, but I have to agree that the fervor you find among many of the fans here is incredible.

We had a negative (Farenheit!) windchill, today, but when it warms up it will be fantastic to sit around with the window open and a warm breeze carrying in those cheers that let me know Manny just homered again.

All the while checking the Braves scores or watching on the tube when I’m able.

By ssiscribe

March 6, 2007 7:10 PM | Link to this

Thanx for the quick file on the pitching news at Dark Star, DOB. Excelllent news on Hampton, obviously. Saturday’s inning outing against the Jays at Happy Place USA will be the biggest inning of spring training to this point.

As I’ve posted time and time again, it’s a long road for Hampton, and there will be ups and downs. But to get the southpaw on the mound in game conditions is a big, big step.

Soriano’s shoulder is a little troublesome, but I wouldn’t go and start questioning the trade with Seattle just yet. If you can get a guy with Soriano’s stuff for HoRam — who needed a change of locale — you have to do it, even if you know Soriano’s had a bit of a balky shoulder. But it’s not like he’s missed a year with shoulder surgery or anything.

Wow, Escobar and Prado are really doing everything they can, at this early juncture, to make the Braves take a real hard look at taking them north. I still think Escobar needs more time in the minor leagues — he and Prado both are getting hits in the middle and late innings, against guys likely heading to Class AAA and Class AA. But so far, both are doing well. Can’t deny it.

I think Prado’s got a fighting chance at one of the bench spots, but until Kelly Johnson falls on his face (and he’s playing well to this point), KJ is starting at second. Escobar still needs more time. And the more I hear of the Lillibridge kid, the more I think sending LaRoche to Pittsburgh was worth it. Kid seems like he’s gonna be quite a player in a year or two.

All right, time for Thrashers hockey on the tube. Maybe Custance will fire up a cigar driving home after the game.

And where is JJS? Grinch? Chop Chick (that fan blog needs someone with some life over there).

Peace and good will; the Scribe abides.

—30—

By journalist jimmy smith

March 6, 2007 7:13 PM | Link to this

oh, the humanity! jimmy smith has been in meetings all day and missed the game! not to worry - journalist sees that someone posted twice as jimmy smith on the last blog - someone who thinks carroll rogers is a man! not so!

schultz may have done something to coltrane - not sure - mentions coltrane in his blog article today. and scribe, be careful with those cigars recommended by dob. another choice might be the banana paper cigar from uganda. nice cigar for journalists.

and if someone plays lights out in the spring this is no guarantee of making the team as was learned last year. someone must deliver escobar some presence so escobar can make this team one way or another.

By IllinoisBravesFan

March 6, 2007 7:14 PM | Link to this

DOB, Is Lillibridge anywhere ready for the major leauges and do you think he could move from shortstop to second base. He has more speed than Johnson.

By Braveheart

March 6, 2007 7:27 PM | Link to this

Dr. Tchock, you bastard. I know nothing about Boston landmarks but I know enough about where that Citgo sign is located (Big Mac cleared it one year at an all star game didn’t he?) to know that you need to name me in your will as the heir to that brownstone.

Is there any way you can prop Lew atop the Citgo sign so that he can watch the Braves play there this May? From what he says, he can’t get tix yet. Hearing his complaints, I’m sure he wouldn’t mind a little free room and board as well so that he will not have to deal with the traffic.

Bob, did not realize that John Ritter was related to Tex Ritter. Probably because I was born a year or two after Tex Ritter passed away. That is why I need my partner in longwinded crime around to educate me about things that I am too young to know.

Gonzalez will probably never face Fick (lefty-lefty reasons) during the season, but if it happens, do you think Gonzalez will show Fick his mighty left arm and say to him Slingblade style, “I got me a Slingblade. I am to kill you with it. Mmmmmm-Hmmmmmmm.”

By Bob, journalist

March 6, 2007 7:31 PM | Link to this

Dr. Tchock, just so my nonsense isn’t totally misunderstood by some folks … the town with the beans has provided me with many fine memories, including the windchill in early March!

Fenway and Wrigley fans never cease to amaze but you’ll have to admit, the fevor on the Blog seems to be picking up too … and after just one losing season!

I’m not sure that the fans in our nation’s capital are of the same ilk … hope so.

By Braveheart

March 6, 2007 7:31 PM | Link to this

i was wondering the same thing about Lillibridge. He was a college player and he seems to have real good obp, slg, ops numbers in the minors. being a college kid, i would think he could be rushed a little faster than others (devine to the contrary). just looking at his stats though, he does seem to strike out a lot. i am kind of curious about the potential of Lillibridge providing some production to the big club this year myself.

By Bob, journalist

March 6, 2007 7:43 PM | Link to this

Jimmy, Escobar’s no dummy but he should be careful from whom he accepts presents … this backup catcher that played today … the one they say can’t hit for squat … may have put his name in his bat for today’s game … looked, I mean sounded, good … both behind and at the plate.

By The Grinch

March 6, 2007 8:05 PM | Link to this

Howdy, all. Bob, ol’ Tex sounds great in the enhanced collector’s version of “High Noon” I just received. Good stuff.

Hillbilly, if you got that kind of range, I guess I’ll have to sit behind someone bigger than me. Um, well, maybe that won’t work. So, anyhow, it wasn’t me; must’ve been a different Grinch. I saw him go thataway. :-)

By Jon

March 6, 2007 8:17 PM | Link to this

Anybody read the Peter Gammons article on espn.com that I spoke of Francour’s great love for the boston redsox. Sounds like this could be an issue down the road for the braves, especially with his already odd and unpleasant negotiating with the braves.

By Robert

March 6, 2007 8:23 PM | Link to this

“When I think of Bobby Cox, I think of John Wooden”

DOB - It is part of human nature when trying to characterize something to in your mind compare it to its direct opposite

2009, my friend. It’ll be all good

574

By Dr. Tchock

March 6, 2007 8:25 PM | Link to this

If only I had any sort of ownership of this little place… Nope, I’m at school and I’ll only be here until just after the weekend the Braves are here.

As far as clearing the Citgo sign, that would be REAAAAAAALLY far. And foul, if I have my bearings straight.

Now, tickets. Difficult to get for any sort of reasonable amount, though scalpers are plentiful. Other options exist for going a few hours before the game sometimes or after a few innings, but they are not guaranteed or ideal. Also, DO NOT DRIVE TO FENWAY. If you want the full experience, you should take the T, which is absolutely packed on game days. I mean, people-smashed-against-the-doors packed.

And then, fervor. If Boston and Cubbie fans are the most rabid, maybe there is something to losing. I think one season is enough for me though. Send Bobby out with 2 Series wins!

By The Grinch

March 6, 2007 8:28 PM | Link to this

I do think that however it was glossed over, Francour’s gonna bend JS over a barrel now when it’s time to re-sign him. It was his fault; he should’ve taken the money offered, but I still think it was stupid to do that to him at this stage.

Thrashers up 1-0.

Josh Johnson out for two months with Marlins. Time for pizza. It’s not delivery; it’s Degiorno. I know it isn’t delivery ‘cause I had to go to the store to get it.

By Hunter

March 6, 2007 8:51 PM | Link to this

ncscoots, stand up response and I apologize for reacting against my better judgement…probably a result of responding at the end of a Tuesday workday. It looks like you’ve got some support around here, so I’m probably outmatched anyway. I’m just looking for something else to help me get through the workday and hold me over until April when I can see our boys play then use the first set of season tickets I’ve ever gotten(a personal goal realized).

As far as Escobar is concerned, he’s got a little size on both of those guys (Jeter is about the same height but is listed a little lighter and he’s got like 6 inches on Tejada) and personally I have no preference as to where he plays, only stating what I’ve heard several times before. I think the best thing for him is to learn all infield positions and make somebody make room for him somewhere. From what I’ve seen of him he just looks like a 3rd baseman. After reading what DOB had to say the other day, it looks like most people in the Braves camp are higher on Lillibridge as a SS now, and we all know what they think of young Elvis Andrus so I’m not sure where he fits in the grand scheme of things, especially with them lining up young players at second base and third base…but having too many good young infielders is not a bad problem to have. I can’t remember a year where we were so deep and with good young players.

By livingright

March 6, 2007 9:14 PM | Link to this

When Frenchy learns to lay off the bad pitches, and be more disciplined at the plate, then he can ask for as much money as he wants. Until then…

By The Grinch

March 6, 2007 9:14 PM | Link to this

Scoots for president! (Don’t ever say I never supported you). Scoots is definitely a stand-up guy, except when he’s sitting down.

My pizza is out of the oven and I’m waiting for it to cool. I’ve taken a huge departure from the norm; it’s my first Thin’ n’ Crispy (I usually get self-rising or cheese stuffed crust). Hope the entire universe doesn’t implode. If I don’t return tonight, you’ll know what happened. I’ve got enough good brew that it doesn’t matter anyway.

Robert, I wouldn’t be surprised if you really do have a calendar you’re marking off ‘till Bobby’s retirement. Are we invited to the kegger? That is assuming they have kegs in Oklahoma. I would imagine they do, since it’s part of the wheat belt and there probably isn’t much else to do besides drink. No offense whatsoever intended; it’s just what I’ve heard. Heard the same about Kansas and found it to be true. Lots of blondes, though. BTW, I’ll take your bet of a sixer of choice that the Braves won’t win the WS with Bobby at the helm. Mind you, it’s not because I have much faith in Bobby’s post-season prowess (as I believe I’ve mentioned before), but rather because I’m a betting man by nature and nobody yet’s stood up. Plus, I like this team and they may just be good enough to overcome the occasional questionable matchup/call. Voton1066@yahoo.com.

By Bob, journalist

March 6, 2007 9:15 PM | Link to this

Grinch, some memories fade but not those of ol’ Tex … he didn’t need no enhancin’ … besides, who needs a CD … I can hear it now!

The man was one of a kind … good sense of humor … even colorblind folks enjoyed his actin’ … you could tell he was a good guy without knowing the color of his hat!

Braveheart, were it but true … alas, being longwinded is but a memory and perhaps still a dream. Still, I can make it to and from the hot tub and ride around the links in a cart with the best of them!

I was just funnin’ the Grinch … I’m setting my sights on the CD of which he spoke! When Tex sang, you could feel it! Don’t ask me what “it” was … but whatever it was, he had it!

Don’t be surprised if Gonzalez faces Fick this season, more than once … if things work out, we won’t need to worry much about “lefty-lefty” with these horses.

Were it my decision, I’d bring Gonzalez into face Fick … in critical situations … he’d own him … and so doing also has potential for saving Bobby some ejections when trying to motivate the team.

By Rosalynn

March 6, 2007 9:33 PM | Link to this

Tex Ritta was a cowboah, right? Seems like I rememba Tex Ritta and Jingles Jones or was that Pat Brada? Which cowbiah had the Native Amehican companion? Was that the Silva Bullet? I just get mah cowboahs confused. Jimma is real excited that Pohk Chop Womack is in town talking with the Falcons. Could be a bullpen possibilta if he can gain a little moah weight.

By Lew

March 6, 2007 9:39 PM | Link to this

One more thing about Fick-Does anyone remember his two suspensions for bench clearing brawls in the AL? That plus that little trick in the playoffs cost him a job in Atlanta. That and he couldn’t hit after the All Star break.

By Greg in TN

March 6, 2007 9:46 PM | Link to this

Evening gang…

I do have to say that so far, spring training is doing a very adequate job of washing the bitter taste of ‘06 away. More of the same once the games count will definitely do that.

Looks like Davies day today didn’t go as planned. He’s taking the same positives out of this that I am as I look at the situation. No discomfort in the groin is certainly a plus. That he’s not spotting the fastball from the stretch is something I can really understand. I’ll be interested to see how he bounces back next time he takes the mound.

I’ll also echo the sentiment on the Hampton news being very encouraging. I think we have to give Soriano more time, but it is something to be a little concerned about. McBride’s third inning today is something else that could turn into a concern if his next few outings also become lackluster.

I’m very happy to see Prado swinging the bat well and to this point, I haven’t seen anything that suggests to me that KJ is an error waiting to happen at second. We’re getting solid middle infield depth which will pay dividends down the road in many ways.

DOB I’m a self-avowed stadium nut and was just curious about Space Coast Stadium. Is there any tie-ins with NASA or anything ‘other worldly’ about the place other than their famous celestial traveling neighbors?

By Bob, journalist

March 6, 2007 9:51 PM | Link to this

Doc, I can almost agree with you … only one minor difference of opinion … it’s three, not two!

Grinch III, “thin and crispy” is the best … just don’t forget the extra cheese!

While I’ve yet to figure out Robert … I can’t inagine him to be so dumb as to take your bet. Our chances are good but not so overwhelming as to cause him to balk … but because it takes a real dummy to risk permanent damage to his id … certainly, permanent pictures on the Blog of that pack of 6 would be in order … and it would make a good subject for Lew.

Think of it … day after day after day after day … poetic justice did you say? No, even Robert doesn’t deserve that! Who am I kidding?

By MEANEL

March 6, 2007 10:06 PM | Link to this

I WISH I COULD COMPLAIN ABOUT MY SIX DIGIT SALARY

By brad in KY

March 6, 2007 10:15 PM | Link to this

DOB

I’d like to comment on the post about Brian Roberts and why I’m glad the Braves didn’t get him.

Although stealing third base with that sort of success is impressive, you have to get to second base before you can steal third. And this is what interests me…

Brian Roberts’ OBP was almost identical to that of Marcus Giles’ last season and Giles’ career OBP is superior to that of Roberts. If Giles didn’t get on basse enough to bat lead-off then I’m not sure why we’d think Roberts would be a better option. First, he had an anomolous season in 2005 when his OBP was around .380, but last season it dropped back around .340, which is his career OBP.

In addition, Roberts will turn 30 this year so he’s not prospect and I can’t imagine why we should expect him to produce like he did in ‘05, when he was at an age where baseball players typically peak.

Basically, unless he’s obviously superior to Giles in some other facet, I’d rather have Giles than Roberts. Barring injury (which is always an issue with Giles, unfortunately) I expect Giles to have a more Giles-like season for San Diego. And at this point I tend to think that Giles is the superior player, ceteris paribus.

And Orr shouldn’t be considered for a starting position under any circumstances. Don’t you people watch the games? He stinks!

By David O'Brien

March 6, 2007 10:36 PM | Link to this

OK, any of you visiting the Empire for spring training, I’ve finally got a good food recommendation _ drive 10 miles or so down I-4 from Disney area toward downtown Orlando to the Sand Lake exit, just past Sea World and the Convention Center. Take a left on Sand Lake about a half-mile to Timpano or Samba Room, two great restaurants that I didn’t even know were here until Travis Haney of Morris News Service went there last night and told me about it. (By the way, Travis is leaving the beat after spring training, took a job covering South Carolina football for the Charleston paper. We’re gonna miss him. Hilarious dude, and unlike Bowman, he doesn’t chew tobacky or pull for West Virginia.)

Anyway, it’s two restaurants, same owner, they have them together in a few cities. I had eaten at the Samba Room in Fort Lauderdale and didn’t even know they were in several other cities, including Vegas. Anyway, just ate at Timpano tonight. It’s an Italian steak/chop house. Very strong. Get the veal chop. Samba Room is Cuban fusion food. Didn’t eat at this one, but the one in Fort Lauderdale was excellent, so I’m sure this one is, too….

Lew, I told Dewsy about those portraits, of him and of Hemingway. He sounded very intrigued….

Forgot to tell you guys, when we were in the dugout talking to Bobby this morning, Fick came over to say he was sorry. “Skip, I wanted to apologize for yesterday.” Bobby told him don’t worry about it, that kind of thing.

It’s been a rough time for Fick. He’s the youngest of eight kids and spent his offseason living with and comforting his mom, who’s dying of cancer. Really sad story in the Washington Post a couple weeks ago. His dad died right after Fick made it to the majors.

By KC

March 6, 2007 10:46 PM | Link to this

“Rocker linked to steroids ring”

DAMN!

There’s no one to look up to anymore.

By The Grinch

March 6, 2007 10:56 PM | Link to this

That’s too bad about Fick…not fun. Cuban fusion, is that like Carlos Santana but barefoot and no tour bus? Oh, the Glasnostity!

Bob, Thin’ N’ Crispy ain’t so bad; less crust to absorb alcohol as well. I feel drunkeder. I have not, as yet, heard from Robert. To be fair, he may be doing something other than sitting in front of his computer at the moment. Plus, he knows I’m one of the very, very few non-Robert-bashers here; no reason not to take me seriously. At best, the Braves win the World series. At worst, I buy a fellow blogger a few brews (and find out what Okies drink when they’re bashing Cox). The spirit of Kenny Rogers (The gambler, not the pitcher) lives on in the Grinch.

By The Grinch

March 6, 2007 11:06 PM | Link to this

Surely it wasn’t ‘roids that made him charge out to the mound every game snorting like a Clydesdale…naaah.

KC, the Hawks have fallen apart! What hath thou wrought? Actually, I should ask what Billy Knight hath wrought.

Thrashers win, 4-2! One of the dudes on Buck & Kincaide predicted 5-2. 4-0 now since the deal. Lightning are losing 1-0. Go Vancouver!

By Bob, journalist

March 6, 2007 11:14 PM | Link to this

Anyone that can wax well about things remaining the same shouldn’t such have difficulty in describing the quality of play of a great hockey player … though I agree that his skill set does seem to have eroded since he changed sports.

I wouldn’t want to have the responsibility for nurturing all the talent being evaluated this spring … it would be a fulltime job. I thought we might have one, maybe two worth a look … but goodness!

Methinks we could actually field an exciting and competitive team with McCann, Langerhans, Francouer, Diaz, Prado, Escobar, Johnson, Thorman, James, McBride, Gonzalez and Soriano … but then who would claim tenure?

Of course, having Smolze, Hudson, Hampton and Wickman in the mix is a plus … and we’d certainly have the best bench in Baseball, that’s for sure!

Goodnight Gracie

By David O'Brien

March 6, 2007 11:19 PM | Link to this

IllinoisBravesFan, Lillibridge hasn’t played above A-ball yet, and no, he’s not going to the Furcal jump straight from A-ball to majors. That’s extremely rare.

But a year from now, could be a possiblity. I’d guess more like 1-1/2 to 2 years, but is it possible in a year? sure.

By TheSouthernJackAss

March 6, 2007 11:20 PM | Link to this

Y’all remind me of one of them southern family orgies!…

By David O'Brien

March 6, 2007 11:25 PM | Link to this

Greg, they’ve got an old space capsule or replica or something near the entrance to the stadium, and everything _ lettering on doors, elevators, etc _ used to have a space-station theme or whatever, but they’ve cut that way back. Can barely tell anymore that it’s supposed to be a space program-themed park.

It’s really not much of a place. It’s OK, but that’s about it. Pales in comparison to Wide World of Sports, Dodgertown, Clearwater (Phillies), Lakeland (Tigers), Bradenton (Prates), Legends Field (Yankees), etc., and even the aging unrenovated places like Winter Haven.

By David O'Brien

March 6, 2007 11:31 PM | Link to this

Yars, you hit it pretty well on the head at 6:43. They got Woodward in large part because he’s a solid backup for Renteria. Orr’s not a solid SS; he’s a 2B.

Barring injury (or slow recovery from injury for Woodward), I don’t see Orr, Prado or Escobar on the opening day roster.

By Jared

March 6, 2007 11:36 PM | Link to this

“Cox: No trades necessary… The skipper says he still doesn’t know how second base and left field are going to pan out, but he made it clear this morning that those positions will be filled by guys on the roster.”

Good for Bobby Cox. Let our guys play. Don’t trade a bunch of talent for a left-fielder when we have THREE (Wilson, Diaz and Langerhans.)

By David O'Brien

March 6, 2007 11:36 PM | Link to this

macdwolfpack, for the second time, i’ll say it again: If Devine has a good spring and his command issues don’t crop up a few more times, and he gets off to a strong start in the minors without the command issues, then I’ll be glad to admit I was wrong and that a midseason callup could be in order. No big deal. Like I said, I don’t have a problem conceding I was wrong.

And no, I didn’t get any message about a Christina Aguilera album. I’m probably glad for that, too.

By David O'Brien

March 6, 2007 11:39 PM | Link to this

GeorgetownKid wrote, “Because I get the impression that Davies would have to be absolutely terrible and that Cormier would have to discover a cure for cancer while pitching in order for Davies to start the year at Richmond. Moreover, if Woodward is virtually guaranteed a roster spot, that basically precludes the possibility of Aybar, Prado or Orr making the team (assuming Johnson starts).”

I think you’re probably about right, except for part about Aybar, Prado or Orr not making team. They’re going to have two backup infielders, not just Woodward (I don’t consider Wilson a backup infielder, but rather a backup OF/1B/PH. I mean two who can play two or all of the other three INF spots, and Aybar is almost certainly going to be on the team)

By Bob, journalist

March 6, 2007 11:43 PM | Link to this

Grinch, If you’ll add a few packets of Pizza Hut’s red peppers, they will absorb the beer!

There have been quite a few folks that agreed with many of the “strategy weakness” points being made by Robert … certainly, I’m one of them too. Methinks most of his bashers were bashing the redundancy and the debasing of the man … more than Robert for the points he was trying to make … and make … and make.

It really has been a long day Gracie … time for a hot tub

By Gil in Mechanicsville

March 6, 2007 11:43 PM | Link to this

For all those half empty guys out there. Please keep in mind the reason for spring training. It is so young pitchers can work on things so when games really count they don’t get lit up like a pin ball machine.

The one painful thing to watch if you follow a minor league team is knowing a guy is sent down for rehab and he is going to get smoked…. He is trying to get a pitch to work and the other team is sitting on it.

The Braves hitters know that too so don’t get too caught up in the numbers right now. The last week of spring training is when things should start coming together.

Sounds as if the injury to Woodward is going to provide an opportunity for somebody. Bobby Cox likes having a vet like Wooward on his bench but if the injury bug is going to bite he still has Pete Orr.

I still think Escobar may have hurt his standing with the Braves with his attitude but that might just have been a comunications problem.

Kid has gone through a lot just getting to the US from Cuba. He and Bryan Pena are best friends and both played on the Cuban National Team. His escape reads like something out of a spy novel.

He has the potential, just a matter of opportuity.

By JJ

March 6, 2007 11:51 PM | Link to this

DOB

What is best plan for my kids to get autographs Thursday. Should we come early AM then come back for game. What time do they take infield and BP.

Who is pitching Thurs for Braves and Yanks?

By NEGA Braves Fan

March 6, 2007 11:57 PM | Link to this

Could it be that the fact the Braves are scouting Carl Pavano mean they are not so enthusiastic about Hampton’s recovery or Davies’ “progress”?

By The Grinch

March 6, 2007 11:57 PM | Link to this

And the Lightning lose! Thrashers are all alone in first place. This is a good thing.

Bob, I don’t need my beer absorbed by artificial means; that’s what my liver’s for. But peppers, yeah; can’t wait for Spring to set in so I can plant my own. I’m working on a nasty hybrid. I make a bone-rattling chili come harvest time (and another plant to whet the appetite…umm, pickles). As for this beer, it reminds me of William Boyd; it’s hoppy. :-)

By Gil in Mechanicsville

March 7, 2007 12:05 AM | Link to this

I thought this to be an interesting bit of information for all those who thought the Braves made such a terrible mistake giving up Wilson Betemit last year for Diaz and Aybar. Looks like that may not have been such a bad trade on the Braves part as the Dodgers are thinking about moving Nomar to thirdbase. [http://losangeles.dodgers.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070306&contentid=1830536&vkey=spt2007news&fext=.jsp&cid=la]

By Braves fan 202

March 7, 2007 12:08 AM | Link to this

Man, today i watched best damn sports show’s top 50 most memorable moments! Sid wasn’t on it! he didnt even make honorable mention! I was p**. Anyways gladto see your havin fun DOB and glad to see the bravos are playin ball

By Jared

March 7, 2007 12:18 AM | Link to this

“Could it be that the fact the Braves are scouting Carl Pavano mean they are not so enthusiastic about Hampton’s recovery….”

Oh please. That was just George King of the New York Post looking for a story. He didn’t know why that scout was there. Maybe he was just enjoying a game? No one here really knows. But he just assumes he’s there to look at an expensive, oft-injured pitcher.

The Braves are right on the edge of their budget cap. They could just barely afford to have signed Craig Wilson when they did. How can they afford Pavano? How much talent would they give up? And how more additional talent would it take to make the Yankees pay all his salary? It’s a BS story. The New York “Kerry picks Gephart” Post is a tabloid just slightly above Weekly World News status.

By Gil in Mechanicsville

March 7, 2007 12:57 AM | Link to this

One last parting comment. Here is another link to an interview with Bobby and John S. about the Braves model. For some of you older Braves fans it might be a nice reminder and for some of you newer guys, well… learn something about how it is done.

[http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/06/AR2007030601928.html]

Now, time to hit the rack as I have another big day ahead.

And OddJob… I hope you pickup on all those bargins out there the past few days.

By The Grinch

March 7, 2007 1:31 AM | Link to this

Beer, THC, Codeine and Slipknot are an interesting early morning weekday combination. And Westerns. I’ve lost my everloving mind. Or found it. :-)

By Head Coach

March 7, 2007 2:02 AM | Link to this

Lew , Soriano will make 1.2 million for the Braves. Horam will make 2.65 million for the Mariners , both are one year contracts and your trying to tell me the Braves could not afford to pay another 1.45 million ? Wrong answer pal. This trade had everything to do with rebuilding the bullpen and nothing to do with money. We gave up a talented but often injured young starting left hander for a one inning flame thrower who may or may not be healthy. only time will tell who got the better end of this trade.

By Spike

March 7, 2007 2:25 AM | Link to this

DOB Just curious on your take of Soriano. Seemed to be a little stand-offish when he first arrived so I’m wondering if that has past by, and am also curious about his shoulder. He may have arrived at camp late, but he did pitch in the winter league so he should have a head start on all the other guys who had the winter off. I’m just not sold on this guy. Also curious about your cigar of choice. I love my Fuente’s…smoke the curly head deluxe on the golf course and the Hemingways at home…

By The Grinch

March 7, 2007 2:42 AM | Link to this

If Ramirez does well, I’ll be proud of him. However, he showed precious little here to suggest anything other than he’s a reasonably tantalizing talent that can’t seem to keep his hiney off the DL. So far, Soriano looks the same way, but he fits a bigger area of need for us than HoRam did; we’re not short of starters. If he works out we’ve got a dominating bullpen with attitude. If he doesn’t, our bullpen will still be better than average and our starters will still be set 1-5 (though I wish they’d send Davies down or trade him while someone still thinks he can pitch). Ramirez was an excellent, effective lefty when he was on, but all things considered is he better than anyone we’re starting now? I say no. And I can’t believe I can still spell; I think I’m drinking myself sober.

By The Grinch

March 7, 2007 2:47 AM | Link to this

Wow. Never mind. Night, all.

By Richard Cory

March 7, 2007 6:58 AM | Link to this

Well it’s spring and hope does indeed spring eternal. For a dose of reality I would suggest a reading of Furman Bisher’s column. We want to see the sunny side, but I’m afraid, he hits the nail square on the head. So many questions. So much, must go right. I still have the names of those who predicted a Braves division title, so long ago. We shall see, yes, we shall see.

By Richard Cory

March 7, 2007 7:19 AM | Link to this

Well, I’ve decided that it’s time to come out of the closet! I must admit for all the world to see, that I’m closer to Robert’s view than that of the Cox supporters. Neither side is 100% right, nor 100% wrong, but I do believe that Robert is closer to the truth than the others.{overwhelming majority of Man In Black bloggers} He’s like the close family member that we keep defending, in spite of substantial evidence, of a serious problem. We have been in denial. Most, still are. I will now acknowledge that yes, he should have won more than one championship, considering the talent that was assembled. He will go down in history as a great one, but oh, what might have been. Indeed, what should have been.

By Robert (Justice Is The Best)

March 7, 2007 7:20 AM | Link to this

If Escobar contiues to tear it up and outplay everyone, which he has most certainly done so far, but winds up getting sent back down to the minors I wonder what it will do to his confidence. Hopefully he has the makeup to keep his head up and keep plugging away. But, wouldn’t have to be tough for him knowing he is as good if not better than either one of the backup infielders.

One thing that seems evident to me is that the Braves have their mind already made up about the 25 man opening day roster and it really doesn’t matter what anyone else does. I like Kelly Johnson and think he can play 2B, but at the same time I don’t think the job should just be handed to him without question, which is exactly what seems to be happening. Just my opinion.

By David O'Brien

March 7, 2007 8:02 AM | Link to this

Spike, my “take” on Soriano is that he’s a very intense and talented reliever who has a sore shoulder right now. If it’s still sore and he hasn’t thrown in a game after a few more days, I’d start to become more concerned. Right now, there has to be some mild concern only because he’s had two DL stints for the shoulder in the past, including one in July. But he came back from that one in 15 days and threw quite well between that and the concussion, which tells me it prbably wasn’t anything major at that time, because he probably wouldn’t have been able to pitch so well with it if it were.

As I said up higher, it’s not uncommon for a guy who’s late to camp to try to dive in and impress with a full workload right away and as a result develop some arm soreness. Plenty of guys, position players and pitchers, develop arm soreness in their initial days at camp because they haven’t thrown so much as they do here in a few months. His winter ball activity was only eight games, not much of a factor after a month or longer break between that last appearance and his arrival at camp.

As for the stand-offishness, he speaks limited English and doesn’t like to say a lot to reporters anyway, so we haven’t been interviewing him much since the first couple days. But I have noticed a BIG difference in his interaction with teammates, at least with the Latin guys. He’s in the middle of their conversations most mornings, not sitting over in a corner by himself. So forget about that part, about him being a complete loner. I’ve seen all the Latin guys (and a few others) greeting him warmly and him actually smiling and laughing with them.

Don’t try to overanalyze the guy because his shoulder’s a little sore. If it goes on another week, there’s gonna concern. Right now, though, he’s got plenty of time to get sharp for opening day. He’s a veteran reliever, not a starter who needs to build innings or a guy fighting for a bullpen job who needs to have a good spring.

But he does need to start pitching in games within a week, I’d say, to have time to really get sharp. So again, I’ll give it a few more days before getting really concerned, unless I hear otherwise that the shoulder’s worse than they’re saying.

By David O'Brien

March 7, 2007 8:04 AM | Link to this

Just one more thing to add to that: If - IF _ Soriano weren’t ready for the season opener, as long as he’s not seriously injured and just needs to strengthen the shoulder, it woudn’t be a huge setback for team for him to start season on 15-day DL. It would’ve been last year, but not with the bullpen depth they’ve got now.

It would hurt, and not be a good thing, for sure. But it wouldn’t be devastating. Not like he’s their closer or their Plan B closer (that’s Gonzalez).

By David O'Brien

March 7, 2007 8:11 AM | Link to this

Robert, Escobar is a NON-ROSTER INVITEE to camp who hasn’t had a good season above the A-ball level. If struggling for most of an entire season at Mississippi didn’t damage his confidence (and it didn’t, judging from his performance in the fall and now), then not making the major league team based on a few weeks of good work in camp certainly isn’t going to do one thing to his confidence. Actually, scratch that _ it’s going to boost his confidence, knowing he can compete against major leaguers, something he’s never done before.

And not making the team _ which he’s NOT going to do, I’m certain of that _ could definitely motivate him to have a good year so he can get here as soon as possible.

These aren’t children with fragile psyches. The good ones are tough and don’t get damaged by a little disappointment. If they do get damaged by such relatively small disappointments, then they’re not going to be great in the long term anyway, because it’d be a sure sign that they have a flaw _ lack of mental toughness _ that the great ones don’t have.

Braves have never, and aren’t about to start now, made personnel decisions based on whether they’re going to bruise a guy’s ego or hurt his confidence.

By ncscoots

March 7, 2007 8:40 AM | Link to this

Agreed, DOB, Yunel doesn’t make the team if he hits .600 (and shouldn’t…he just doesn’t fit on this year’s squad). But I think if fans remember where he came from, and what he went through to get to this point, they won’t have any worry about his mental toughness. Starting in Richmond would hardly be a burden, relative to what the guy has already endured.

By MBATL

March 7, 2007 8:55 AM | Link to this

DOB, well put, regarding Escobar. He’s just beginning to show the kind of bat that was expected of him - a great winter league, and some pop so far in ST. A good season at AA (or wherever) is probably the best thing for him and for the Braves.

Question; has Salty been spending any significant time at 1B or OF during camp, or just catching?

By Shaun

March 7, 2007 9:34 AM | Link to this

Braveheart,

Does Boston management really behave any differently than any other organization’s management? I haven’t seen anything to lead me to believe that it has.

Feelings are naturally going to be hurt when an organization makes personnel moves. A few members of the media, either because of their lack of knowledge of the entire situation or because of a desire to stir up controversy or both are going to run with the emotional reactions caused by certain moves.

Look at the Andruw Jones waiver situation last year: Almost every player in the majors goes on waivers that time of year but a few loud voices in the Atlanta media twisted it into the Braves are trying to discard AJ. This was because they didn’t know the entire situation or because they wanted to create the drama that would sell or get people listening to their show.

In Boston it’s worse because the Sox are huge, it’s a big city with big media. The sports media is constantly looking for ways to talk about the Red Sox because all of New England is obsessed with them.

Not trying to point the finger, the media is just doing what they feel they need to do and I’m sure the Red Sox management is not perfect because no organization is perfect. But I wouldn’t go so far as to say they are classless—any more than any other organization in baseball.

As far as the Nomar situation—yes, the fans were very skeptical when the trade went down. Nomar was huge in New England. But his defense wasn’t good in 2004—that is clear. Look at the evidence and reputation and you’ll see than Nomar was one of the worst shortstops defensively in the league by 2004. Cabrera was much better defensively than Nomar in 2004, otherwise why trade him? Do you really think Theo would have traded a fan-favorite, a Boston icon with the expectations put on that team in 2004 if he didn’t feel it made the team better? The Sox knew they had offense to spare and Nomar’s defense wasn’t good so they traded him to improve the team.

But of course Nomar’s feelings were naturally a little hurt because of his contract situation, etc. so a few members of the media blew it out of proportion to stir up controversy either because they were misinterpreting the situation or because they wanted to sell papers or get listeners.

I just don’t see how management could have handled the Nomar situation any differently than they did.

By Shaun

March 7, 2007 9:39 AM | Link to this

Bob, journalist,

You’re right, don’t listen to experts, per se. Listen to evidence. True experts are people who rely on evidence over their own understanding. “Lean not on your own understanding”…”Wisest is he who knows his own ignorance.”

By Rodger

March 7, 2007 9:54 AM | Link to this

You guys need to take a look at the AJC.com’s “online exclusive” piece on Hank Aaron by Frank Hyland-EXCELLENT!! Look at Aaron’s stats and tell me or anyone reasonable he wasn’t the greatest player in history, and I’ll work on getting you committed.

By Lew

March 7, 2007 10:00 AM | Link to this

DOB-The XM expert who said Andruw would be traded was whoever runs the Fantasy Baseball show. I know, Fantasy, right? I agree. However. The context was someone wanted to know if drafting Andruw would be worthwhile. The “expert” told him, no, that Andruw was in his walk year and was sure to be traded prior to the end of the season, which would send his numbers into a tailspin. Whatever. Head Coach-I’m not sure where you got Horacio’s current salary figures from, cause I couldn’t find them. He made $2.2 mil last season, so if all he got was a $450 thou raise as a 5th year arbitration eligible player, then the Mariners got a deal. Even if your figures are correct, that extra $1.45 mil over Soriano’s salary is STILL more than we have. We don’t have an extra million and a half to spend. You always think there’s more money available than there is. Yes, the trade was made to bolster the bullpen, but also to jettison salary.

By David O'Brien

March 7, 2007 10:01 AM | Link to this

MBATL, he hasn’t spent any time in the outfield and only taken a few grounders at 1B. He could end up playing a little at 1B in a split-squad game, but that’d be more because they don’t a surplus of 1Bs in camp (that’s why Jurries has already been brought over a couple of times from the minor league side for games).

And probably says something about Salty’s 1B situation that Jurries has been brought over to play the position a couple of times, and he’s not even on the roster or in camp.

By Shaun

March 7, 2007 10:06 AM | Link to this

Rodger,

Aaron was certainly a great player and the last thing I want to do is knock him but it’s hard to argue that Ruth wasn’t the greatest in terms of impact on his team….so I guess you’ll have to have me committed.

Ruth’s OPS adjusted for league and park were over 100 percent better than the league average in 11 seasons!

His career AVG was 57 points higher than the league average. His career OBP was 121 points higher than the league average. His career SLG was 290 points higher than the league average.

By Arkansas Hillbilly

March 7, 2007 10:13 AM | Link to this

DOB, MBATL beat me to the punch on Salty, but I’ll go ahead and ask:

How’s he hitting so far? I haven’t even heard his name mentioned until now.

By Shaun

March 7, 2007 10:14 AM | Link to this

O’Brien,

I think it’s very reasonable to assume they’ll trade Salty. Have you heard any trade talk or are they waiting to see if his stock will rise any more?

I know he had an off year but he’s still the top catching prospect in baseball. Seems like he would be very desirable. But then again, why rush to trade him if they think he’ll be healthier and better over the next couple of years?

By Arkansas Hillbilly

March 7, 2007 10:27 AM | Link to this

Grinch,

I bought “Goodfellas” lastnight, but I didn’t get a chance to watch it. Gotta wait until the little girl is gone somewhere, because she repeats everything she hears on t.v. I don’t want her to show up at the pre-school dropping the bombs to the other little kids.

By ssiscribe

March 7, 2007 10:37 AM | Link to this

Top of the morning, everybody. Huge win for Le Thrash last night, and now, Thrashers playoff tix go on sale next week.

(My wife’s gonna kill me, he he he.)

Anyway, DOB, who is pitching today at Lakeland after Smoltz? I went to a game down there last year. Great ballpark. They revamped that place a few years ago to keep the Tigers in Lakeland (can’t imagine the Tigers not being there). Still, they have the old-school metal bleachers down the line, a berm behind the fence in left and ads on the outfield fence.

No annoying sounds. Just an organ, a PA announcer who doesn’t overdo it and a helluva place to spend a spring day. Color me envious!!

Wish Haney the best of luck. He did a good job for them. Any word on who is succeeding him?

The Scribe abides.

—30—

By Rodger

March 7, 2007 10:40 AM | Link to this

Shaun,

Look back at the discussion last week about great pitchers. How many of the pitchers that were brought up did Ruth face vs those Aaron faced? Don’t get me wring-I love the Babe-he made baseball what it is. But ranking 1st all time in HR, RBI, total bases, extra base hits, and one that frequently is overlooked-3rd in hits. Not shown here is fielding % and put outs-if I remember, those ranked high as well. I can remember when he could swipe bases, and get the extra base-1st to 3rd. Truly amazing he doesn’t get more recognition!

By Rodger

March 7, 2007 10:49 AM | Link to this

And btw Shaun, I’m sure several have thought you need to be committed anyway-LOL!

By Shaun

March 7, 2007 11:01 AM | Link to this

Rodger,

I agree that Aaron is probably underrated by most because people just seem to think of homers and longevity. But even if Aaron faced better pitchers, I think Ruth has a big enough edge in the important categories that Ruth has to be considered the best player ever (if best means contributing more to his team scoring/preventing runs). Not too mention I think Ruth deserves a little bit of credit for changing the way the game was played. I know someone would have figured out swinging for the fences is good eventually but Ruth was really the first star with that type of approach.

By Shaun

March 7, 2007 11:05 AM | Link to this

Rodger,

Ruth was the best overall at the two most important aspects of offense—avoiding outs and gaining bases. I know he didn’t consciously and overtly do it but he was the first player to recognize, on some level, that these were the two most important aspects of offense.

By Thrillhouse44

March 7, 2007 11:08 AM | Link to this

FYI: John Rocker is on ESPN Radio right now.

By MBATL

March 7, 2007 11:09 AM | Link to this

When the Babe hit 60 HR in 1927, that was more than any other TEAM in the AL hit. The Philadelphia Athletics were second in the AL in HR, with 56.

It’s real difficult to compare players from different eras. Aaron no doubt had more tools as a fielder and baserunner, but I don’t think anyone, ever, has obliterated the “standards” like Ruth did. Add to that his 94-46 record, and 2.28 era as a pitcher, and I think you have to call him the greatest ever.

By CJ

March 7, 2007 11:11 AM | Link to this

DOB: I was wondering how Thorman is looking over at first? Is it going to be a platoon with Wilson?

By RC

March 7, 2007 11:15 AM | Link to this

DOB, what’s the situation on TJ Bohn? I think I remember you saying it’s unlikely he’ll make the major league club, but if he’s not on the opening day roster would that mean he has to be offered back to Seattle? I can’t remember what the rules are, and was wondering if that might have some affect on how his situation is handled.

By RC

March 7, 2007 11:19 AM | Link to this

Shaun,

Instead of arguing Ruth’s offensive abilities over Aaron (either one could be argued), the reason he’s the greatest player ever is because he was also an incredible pitcher before redefining the term “power hitter”. He even was part of a shared no-hitter, although Ruth’s contribution was to walk the first batter and get kicked out of the game for arguing about it. The relief pitcher came in, picked the guy off first, and threw 8 2/3 perfect innings for the “combined” no-hitter.

By MGL

March 7, 2007 11:24 AM | Link to this

Regarding Escobar, I was at the game last Friday and sat about 25 feet from third. When Escobar came on the field, I had to wait till he turned his back to see who he was. I had expected a furcal type SS. Wrong, this guy looks as big as Chipper and Thorman. I think the sheet has him at 6’2” and 200lbs, but the way this guy is built, I’d bet he is at least 220. This maybe what the “scouts” input is about.

By glove51

March 7, 2007 11:25 AM | Link to this

DOB: there is a Samba Room in Denver also which is excellent. It is in Larimer Square, a couple of blocks off the 16th Street Mall.

By Lew

March 7, 2007 11:28 AM | Link to this

Well, y’all will probably never be able to determine who was better, but I think it’s safe to say that Babe Ruth had the greatest impact on the sport of baseball of any player in baseball history. Hands down.

By tvsportscaster

March 7, 2007 11:32 AM | Link to this

RC, I’m obviously not DOB, but I can answer your question about T.J. Bohn. He does not have to be offered back to the Mariners. He was claimed on waivers so he is Atlanta’s property. Rule 5 draft picks are the ones that have to remain with the big league club or offered back to their former club.

By riprock3

March 7, 2007 11:34 AM | Link to this

DOB - Just wondering if you ever heard anything about the incident at the World Baseball Classic last year when Francoeur apparently got in Arod’s face about the way he was treating a clubhouse boy, something about the wrong sandwich he brought the Yankees’ star?

By ncscoots

March 7, 2007 11:48 AM | Link to this

MGL, that would sure do it, if he’s put on that much muscle. Easy to see the point…

By Matthew, Walter's Dad

March 7, 2007 11:56 AM | Link to this

Jim Molony is full of baloney.

http://atlanta.braves.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070306&content_id=1831223&vkey=spt2007news&fext=.jsp

He doesn’t even put the Braves’ bullpen in the top five. His top five are the Twins, Angels, A’s, Tigers, and the Mets. The Mets? What are you smokin’ dude?

The Braves’ bullpen is going to be lights out, without question. I guess they are (1) waiting to see on the health of Soriano and Gonzo or (2) he’s a complete idiot. Possibly a combination of both.

By ssiscribe

March 7, 2007 11:59 AM | Link to this

Put this together after listening and taking notes of John Rocker’s interview on ESPN Radio this morning. You probably can go to ESPN and find the audio of the entire interview:

Former Braves closer John Rocker adamantly denied doing anything illegal on a national radio sports talk show Wednesday morning, calling reports linking him to a national steroid investigation, “journalism that’s gone awry, again.”

Rocker — who drew international criticism in 1999 for an interview with Sports Illustrated reporter Jeff Pearlman, in which he blasted minorities, gays and New Yorkers – told Erik Kuselias on “The Herd With Colin Cowherd” he called doctors leading up to major shoulder surgery in 2003, and was told to take HGH.

“In 2003, I had very, very major surgery,” said Rocker, who closed for the Braves from 1998 until a 2001 trade to Cleveland. “I tried to pitch the week before the surgery. I called every doctor I could and asked, ‘What can I do? What can I do to strengthen my shoulder?’

“Everyone said to go to GNC and buy something over the counter.”

When asked if he would have taken anything he thought was illegal, Rocker said, “absolutely not.”

Rocker’s name surfaced as part of a nationwide investigation into the illegal sale of steroids.

“I got blindsided by this,” Rocker said. “Everything I did was completely legal. At this point in time, HGH over the counter was not illegal. I took recommendations from a myriad of doctors.

“This is one more case of illegitimate journalism.”

Rocker saved 83 games for the Braves from 1998-2001. He last pitched in the majors with Tampa Bay in 2003. He tried to come back with the Long Island Ducks, an independent league team, in 2005.

Asked to describe his baseball legacy, Rocker bristled, saying his legacy most likely will be the interview with Pearlman that made him a household name, and created the biggest distraction in Braves’ history.

“Players know me for being on the field, being intense,” Rocker said. “Personally, I perceive myself as basically, as I look back on things, I see me as a person being singled out as a media whipping boy for one singular incident. Basically, it’s one person’s opinion.

“I’ve had dozens and dozens of people of minority descent come to my defense. The media continues to harp on one liberal-biased opinion from somebody who knew me (for) five or six hours. People don’t listen to Javy Lopez or Andruw Jones or Ellis Burks, or the woman I’m dating right now, who happens to be African-American. We celebrated our anniversary last week.”

Rocker said he estimates “less than 10 percent” of players he played with used performance-enhancing drugs.

“That’s just a random guess,” Rocker said. “I never went up and snooped in people’s lockers. I never asked, ‘Are you doing something illegal? Can I do that?’

“People make baseball out to be as dirty as it can be. It’s a media scandal. It’s there to drive ratings and sell newspapers.”

NOW ME: Interesting that he tossed Javy and Andruw in there. I know he rubbed some people in the organization the wrong way, but he was liked by many when he first came up, especially for his enthusiasm and hustle. And when he was on, man, he was on.

But he became such a distraction after that SI interview, then going after Pearlman in 2000 during the Yankees’ series at Turner Field. Of course, he started that season suspended (Rem actually closed the first two weeks). He had promised the team at spring training that he would straighten up and fly right. After the Pearlman incident after a Sunday game at Turner Field, he got demoted to Richmond the next day, the opener of a series against the Blue Jays. He didn’t report for three days and would be traded a year later to Cleveland.

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By Shaun

March 7, 2007 12:04 PM | Link to this

RC,

Yes, the years as a pitcher certainly helps Ruth. But also he was clearly the greatest offensive contributer in the history of the game.

Lew,

I think it’s pretty clear Ruth was the best player if you define greatest as doing the most to help your team win.

By Chuck Wagon

March 7, 2007 12:16 PM | Link to this

Another blog, another session of the Scribe being a huge douche. Well, DOB, if you ever need a sweet release when you get back home, the scribe seems more than willing to wear the lip gloss.

By Head Coach

March 7, 2007 12:53 PM | Link to this

Babe Ruth was the greatest white player of his time. There are many(myself included)who believe that Josh Gibson was the better player of the two. Its an age old argument because Gibson played in the old Negro leagues and never had the opportunity to prove his ability against the white players of his time. Ruth was also a pitcher , Gibson was a catcher playing the toughest position. He was referred to as the “black Babe Ruth”. Of course Gibson’s peers called Ruth the “white Josh Gibson” Like I said , it’s an endless argument because of the race barrier that wasn’t broken until 1947.

By TheSouthernJackAss

March 7, 2007 1:04 PM | Link to this

TheJackAss knows just how you feel John Rocker—you’re only transgression was to say some things these other pukes don’t have the gonads to say!…

By Robert

March 7, 2007 1:08 PM | Link to this

What’s the scoop about the Braves being interestd in Carl Pavano? Any truth or just rumor?

By Spiderhoff

March 7, 2007 1:09 PM | Link to this

42nd best Gm in sports? I was robbed. But I do look good in a speedo.

By Shaun

March 7, 2007 1:13 PM | Link to this

Head Coach,

Actually, from everything I’ve heard and read, the greatest competition Ruth had in the Negro Leagues was from Oscar Charleston.

Gibson certainly is in the mix. It’s hard to say.

Certainly Gibson and Charleston were up there with the greatest players ever.

Gibson supposedly hit over 800 homers but how much of that was against sub-par competition? He almost certainly played quite a few games against semi-pro and amateur teams.

The fact that many of Ruth’s important numbers have stood the test of time is evidence that he still would have been the best ever in a segregated league. I mean after all these years, he’s still the greatest out-avoider/power-hitter in history.

By ssiscribe

March 7, 2007 1:16 PM | Link to this

No score after one in Lakeland. Smoltz gave up an infield single, but Braves turned a 5-4-3 double play to end the inning.

Bohn starting in right. Orr starting at second.

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By Braves20

March 7, 2007 1:16 PM | Link to this

It’s only spring raining but Gary (.062) Sheffield is in post season form - kills a first inning rally against Smoltz with a double play.

By ssiscribe

March 7, 2007 1:21 PM | Link to this

Craig Wilson just gave the Braves a 1-0 lead on a solo homer off Bonderman, up on the hill in left. First homer of the spring for Wilson, who has four RBIs in five spring ABs.

1-0 Bravos.

—30—

By David O'Brien

March 7, 2007 1:22 PM | Link to this

By the way, looks like Craig Wilson can hit righties a little, too: Just CRUSHED a 3-2 pitch and sent it nearly over the left-field berm for a solo homer in the second inning off Jeremy Bonderman. 1-0 Braves

By Catfish

March 7, 2007 1:23 PM | Link to this

Can someone tell me if Brian Jordan is out of baseball? I thought I remember him filing for free agency back in the fall.

By deepinmetsterritory

March 7, 2007 1:27 PM | Link to this

got texted from a friend in lakeland - craig wilson long bomb…got to love the mullet

By DonCoburleone

March 7, 2007 1:33 PM | Link to this

Honestly though, is there really anyone on this blog who is the least bit shocked to hear that John Rocker was using HGH???

By Shaun

March 7, 2007 1:47 PM | Link to this

Is there anyone on this blog who would be shocked if they heard any current or former player from the last 15 years used HGH or steroids?

By RC

March 7, 2007 1:56 PM | Link to this

I’m not shocked to hear that Rocker used HGH, and wouldn’t be shocked to hear that he used more than that. However, his explanation sounds extremely reasonable and could go a long way to explaining how the problem came to be what it is today. It seems like in the past there was just so little information available about performance enhancers (as well as a lack of desire to find out information by those in baseball and other sports) that it’s hard to hold something against guys who may have used unknowingly or not realized that what they had was illegal. As Rocker points out, HGH wasn’t even illegal or banned from baseball at the time he used it. And say what you will about Rocker’s view on things, but one thing he can’t be accused of is not being honest and forthcoming with his opinions. I believe his story about how he used HGH, and further, I don’t believe he was wrong in using it.

By RC

March 7, 2007 1:58 PM | Link to this

I’d be shocked if Keith Lockhart used HGH….sorry, couldn’t help myself.

By Anonymous

March 7, 2007 2:04 PM | Link to this

Cox says we don’t need to make anymore trades and I agree with him, however I think they should look into acquiring Rocco Baldelli so then they have a leadoff hitter and a centerfeilder just in case Andruw leaves next year. P.S. (Forget the name John Rocker, we never knew him. He has made the Braves organization look horrible because of the things he said and the HGH he took without us knowing it first. He makes it seem like the Braves gave him that stuff in an article I read. Just erase the stats and get rid of the files, he was never a baseball player)

By TheSouthernJackAss

March 7, 2007 2:09 PM | Link to this

Is there anyone on the blog that thinks maybe in Rocker’s case it was just good hay, fresh oats, cold spring water, and clean living?…

By Shaun

March 7, 2007 2:11 PM | Link to this

RC,

Good point. I’m not saying Rocker or other players are completely innocent of any wrongdoing but a lot of players aren’t as educated as they should be about things they put into their body.

This morning on 680 The Fan, the subject of energy drinks came up and how they are bad on the heart and the circulatory system. Most people who drink them are just thinking about the energy boost and don’t even think about them as being all that bad for you.

By Bob, journalist

March 7, 2007 2:20 PM | Link to this

Shaun, I agree it’s wise to know one’s limitations … but it’s in God that Proverbs suggests you trust, not statistics and fools who know not their own.

Interestingly, most “great thinkers”, those we think of as being great, seem to agree with your notion that the wisest of men is well acquainted with his own ignorance.

Indeed, I admit my own. However, I wouldn’t put too much stock in what they say … imagine trusting the words of one who admits he knows nothing!

One thing I do know for sure … if I don’t get to Kroger, we’ll be eating letfovers for supper … and that’s not prospect expected to make the team!

Later …

By Shaun

March 7, 2007 2:22 PM | Link to this

I’m sure a lot of players just underestimate the dangers of performance enhancers. I’m sure many young pro athletes think they are invincible so they aren’t too concerned about taking something that seems harmful to humans.

By beachcomber

March 7, 2007 2:53 PM | Link to this

Sitting here in my office looking at the Mark Lemke picture on the wall - there is a guy who didn’t take ‘roids! Next to him on the wall is Ronnie Gant - that guy was chiseled - call me naive, but that was just hard work - both by Ronnie and the good Lord.

By Shaun

March 7, 2007 3:46 PM | Link to this

Bob, journalist,

I think you listen to people who don’t assume human understanding and human line of reasoning is the way to gain knowledge. The wisest people are the ones who let the evidence speak for itself and know how to do that.

beachcomber,

I hope Lemke and Gant didn’t take steroids and we have no reason to think they did and no reason at all to accuse them but only they really know.

By mike

March 7, 2007 9:25 PM | Link to this

don’t think smoltzy will ever manage. Thinkin’ when he hangs em up he’s gonna try the PGA thing.

It’s a treat hearing about bobby dews still in uniform (lol)….& every other former brave relish on how well they liked it in the ATL with cox for that matter.