Braves

By ssiscribe

February 19, 2007 11:09 AM | Link to this

“Laughing River” makes me want to go fishing, and go to a minor-league game.

Nice way to start the week and the new blog, DOB.

—30—

By bravesfan16

February 19, 2007 11:25 AM | Link to this

DOB—-head over to www.yeproc.com and stream the new SCOTS and You Am I albums. Both are fantastic.

I like the new Lucinda also.

By Gene

February 19, 2007 11:27 AM | Link to this

Isn’t spring baseball great! Chipper has gotten me excited. Now if he will only play defense…

By just Bob, plain and simple

February 19, 2007 11:28 AM | Link to this

Now I know I’m leaving … make a couple of posts to Lew, SSI and MBATL … and one the Hillbilly … and before anyone has a chance to read then, you go and put up a new Blog!

Ain’t the first time …

By Topher_24

February 19, 2007 11:36 AM | Link to this

DOB, great post. Chipper and Smoltz are always honest about their feelings regarding the team and it’s ability or inability to win. Both were less than enthusiastic last year, and both seem happy about the changes made this offseason. However, Liberty will need to dish out some bucks if the Braves are to retain both Andruw and Smoltz. PR wise, Liberty had better make an effort to retain at least one of them. They will be battered by the media and fans if they don’t. Some of the players’ performances will help in the decision-making come next offseason. If Hudson reasserts himself as a premier pitcher, the Braves may allow Smoltz to walk (although I hope they don’t). If Andruw has a poor showing (.260 35 100) and still want 18M+ per season, the Braves may allow him to walk. However, Liberty understands profit/loss, value, etc. and they better realize the value of the team they will wish to sell in a few years will depreciate if they lose Andruw and Smoltz and do not even attempt to replace that talent.

By Michaelmike

February 19, 2007 11:38 AM | Link to this

Before the 1991 season began, the Atlanta Braves had been the worst franchise in major league baseball - based on wins and losses - for 25 years. I lived through that stretch. During the 1988 season I lived in an apartment nestled in the shadow of Stone Moutain. Because of its proximity to the mountain, I could only get one television station - I was too poor for cable. That station was WTBS, or Channel 17 as we used to call it. The Braves lost 106 games that season, so I watched the opposing teams shake hands a lot that summer. Sadly, I shall carry those scars with me to my grave, and I shall always be a pessimist as a result of that cruel and bitter season. But the bullpen does look pretty good. And Hudson just has to have better luck. Hampton might hit eight or nine home runs (which translates to 50 for an everyday player) and win 14 to 18 games. Thorman might do alright given a chance to play. Kelly Johnson might make us forget all about Marcus Giles after a while. Renteria is an all-star. Francoeur will strike out less. For sure he’ll strike out less. Andrew might hit 50 again. Maybe I’m not as pessimistic as I thought.

By Kentavo

February 19, 2007 11:41 AM | Link to this

Play ball!!!!!!!

Chipper has to stay healthy, but we all know he won’t. It’s not really his fault, but he’s kinda like Griffey now - you know he can’t make it thru a full season. But, look what he did last year in limited action. I think they’d be wise to spell him a little bit more to prevent some injuries. And pull him outta of blow-outs.

By brent

February 19, 2007 11:42 AM | Link to this

Okay, if you can only have one guy back in ‘08, is it Smoltz or Andruw?

By MGL

February 19, 2007 11:43 AM | Link to this

Regarding visa issues, Soriano would probably require a work visa which is initiated by the employer. I read somewhere that Seatle had messed up the process which may have been complicated by the trade.

By AdirondackDave

February 19, 2007 11:46 AM | Link to this

Great post, Dave. I love the ‘real time’ commentary from the ball park. Looking forward to stuff on/with Andruw when he shows up. Gonna be a good year, I can feel it in my bones.

By ernesto

February 19, 2007 11:57 AM | Link to this

Great post. Good to hear Chipper as geeked as the fans seem - a lot of things have to break right for us to win it - but this is a team you can feel good about. If Thorman comes along and we get antying at all out of 2B, we should be fine offensively. I think I’d rather be pinning my hopes on someone’s stock rising than another Brian Jordan, Mondesi type gamble. Or, say, Alou holding up for hte whole year.

By roan st

February 19, 2007 12:04 PM | Link to this

Dave, is it possible liberty media will spend some money on this team to keep the value high since they will certainly sell in two or three years. Does having a competitive team over the next few years affect the value? If it does it would seem logical that they would try and spend some money to protect their investment. For example, if andruw signs a six year deal and they sell the team in two years then their not on the hook but for 1/3 of that money. Just Curious.

By Philip Covin

February 19, 2007 12:14 PM | Link to this

The pitching rotation of Smoltz, Hudson, Hampton and James sounds powerful; let’s just hope they can all stay healthy this season.

By Emilio

February 19, 2007 12:14 PM | Link to this

DOB I appreciate the updates! I’m excited about our prospects. Last year I caught several games at Disney and really enjoyed the ambience. It’s a fun time for (Grandpa - me), son, and grandson. There is just something special about spring. It heralds new growth and new beginnings! Surely hope does, indeed, “spring” eternal. The whole scene down there is just plain fun and, for me sets the stage for the season to come! So, come on!

I too sense a resurgence of Braves success! Chipper should be optimistic! If our pitching staff remains healthy, and Hampton comes along we will be tough! We have enough offense. I actually, believe it could be better than last year. The right side will not be as strong defensively, but the trade off for the potential superlative pitching was worth the trades. We’ll see how it all unfolds, but I like what I see. J.S. has given B.C. options. Our pitching may be so deep as to allow for one more fairly high level trade, left field maybe?

Nevertheless, I’m ready to rock with what we got! My biggest concern is Chipper’s oft-banged up big toe or bunion. The boy needs to stop wearing pointed cowboy boots and get some wide toe boxes. If he plays at least 140 games our offense will work! Jeff and Andruw really need a few less strike outs, at least strike out on pitches that are within a foot or two of the plate. So, little things mean a lot! Just a few of these and we might surprise some folks! Good luck Braves – It takes that, too!

By Shaun

February 19, 2007 12:24 PM | Link to this

Chipper just understands the game perhaps better than any player I’ve read or heard an interview of. He keeps it simple—offense isn’t the best but it’s good, and a much improved pitching staff means better run differential than ‘06 and therefore more wins. I think Chipper could be a manager or even a GM right now if he wanted to, based on the few interviews I’ve heard.

By Shaun

February 19, 2007 12:27 PM | Link to this

Emilio,

AJ and Francouer are going to strikeout a lot. If AJ keeps doing what he’s been doing the last couple of years and Francouer improves enough to stop swinging at pitches way out of the strikezone and kills pitches in the strikezone, he’ll be fine.

By Bill Wilson

February 19, 2007 12:33 PM | Link to this

Hey Dave, I enjoy your musical notes (ha ha). Check out the new Mellencamp cd Freedom’s Road. It just may be his best all time. Have you ever heard Ed Cassidy drum for Spirit/ He was the Step-Father of their late lead guitarist Randy California and had a jazz background which greatly influenced their sound espacially the late sixties and early seventies material. Keep the faith!

By Sir Stealth

February 19, 2007 12:36 PM | Link to this

Have to disagree somewhat on that Lucinda review DOB. I think that its a good album with some great stuff on it, but not among her best, and not just because of the down mood. World Without Tears and Essence flirted with maudlin at times, and I think both are better, especially World Without Tears, which is in a different class. To compare West with Car Wheels is probably blasphemy. Just my opinion.

I agree with Chipper - Braves are gonna kick *ss this year.

By northgeorgiafan

February 19, 2007 12:39 PM | Link to this

I’M READY FOR A GREAT YEAR.GO BRAVES.

By Barrett

February 19, 2007 12:42 PM | Link to this

DOB, I was just curious. With Soriano having past starting experience, have you heard anything about the braves maybe trying him as the 5th starter if the others don’t pull through?

Also, what about Orr. With woodward, aybar, Jones, Renteria, Thorman filling out the infield and all the outfield guys and two catchers, he seems like the odd man out. Have you heard anything about the position battles? It seems like they are getting over looked because of the fuss over the last ‘pen spot. Just one guys opinion I guess

By John Adcox

February 19, 2007 12:48 PM | Link to this

Hey, DOB,

Has Gregor Blanco arrived yet? While I realize he’s only going to get a passing look, I’ve always been a fan of the Otis Nixon types. I’d love to hear how he’s doing.

John

By jon

February 19, 2007 12:52 PM | Link to this

Springtime! the time for eternal optimism! But as far as the Braves go, I am always in a springtime mood as I feel they will win every year, series, game, night. That was true in the 50’s when I had to wait until they were on the west coast to skip in on the radion on the SF and LA stations late at night. When I hear Chipper and Smoltzie so upbeat this year after the disappointments of last year, I know it is spring. Can’t wait until the first broadcasts from Florida!

By jon

February 19, 2007 12:52 PM | Link to this

Springtime! the time for eternal optimism! But as far as the Braves go, I am always in a springtime mood as I feel they will win every year, series, game, night. That was true in the 50’s when I had to wait until they were on the west coast to skip in on the radion on the SF and LA stations late at night. When I hear Chipper and Smoltzie so upbeat this year after the disappointments of last year, I know it is spring. Can’t wait until the first broadcasts from Florida!

By The Grinch

February 19, 2007 12:55 PM | Link to this

Bill Wilson, does the new Mellencamp have “Our Country” on it? That’s the only way I’d buy it. Would you guys like to see the lyrics? :-)

By David O'Brien

February 19, 2007 12:59 PM | Link to this

Barrett, no mention of Soriano competing for fifth starter job this season, but it’s possible in future he could be considered for rotation….

Blanco isn’t here yet, but probably because he played in Caribbean World Series and isn’t required to report until tomorrow anyway. Andruw dropped by today, didn’t work out but checked in. He was gone before we had a chance to talk to him….

Sir Stealth, I said it was a cut below Car Wheels. But I do think it’s as good or better than Essence. Tough to rate them other than to lump them 3-4 of her albums together beneath Car Wheels. But I do really like this one….

Someone asked about Boyer past couple days. He’s throwing fine, off the mound, said he feels great and Bobby said he looks good.

By David O'Brien

February 19, 2007 01:01 PM | Link to this

Shaun, forgot to mention: I entirely agree with your post about Chipper.

Oh, and Craig Wilson reported and worked out.

By USMC DAWG

February 19, 2007 01:11 PM | Link to this

I can’t wait to get this season started,yet I remain somewhat hesitant about Chipper’s health. IF he can play 135-145 games, the Braves will definately be contenders. Look for Andruw to put up huge numbers (contract year), he should easily hit 45-50 plus homers and drive in somewhere around 130. Francoeur should hit around 25-30 HR’s and drive in 100, he needs to get his BA up another 15 points, and his on base % needs to be up 30 points. McCann needs to just “keep on keeping on”. This kid’s gonna be an all star for the next 10 years. I’m still afraid the LaRoche trade is going to blow up in our face somewhere down the road.

By The Grinch

February 19, 2007 01:14 PM | Link to this

Dave, I sent you a copy of the Onion A.V. club’s review of “West.” They’re usually cynical with their reviews (especiallly cinema) but also often provide honest insight most don’t. I haven’t heard the alblum myself. Off to the gym.

By Greg in TN

February 19, 2007 01:17 PM | Link to this

Hi folks…

Thanks for the update DOB. Supposed to get a bit warmer in my neck of the woods later this week, already better today than it was over the weekend. Have faith all ye buried to the ear lobs in snow drifts, it’ll get there.

Michaelmike, that ‘88 season was flat out brutal to endure. Gerald Perry hit .300, Rick Mahler and Pete Smith were the only starters with a sub 4 ERA (this was a staff that had a 22-year old lefty named Tom Glavine and a 21-year old righty named John Smoltz), those were the lone bright spots on Capitol Avenue that summer. Murph struggled mightily in that season (.226, 24 HRs, 77 RBIs in 156 games) and we had the incredible error machine at short in Andres Thomas. To see how far we’ve come since those days is why I’m always the optimist. It’s my fervent hope to never relive those dark days again.

Good stuff on Chipper, DOB. I hope he’s right about Smoltzie and AJ. I doubt we will know what Liberty’s intentions are as far as payroll until next offseason, but I remain optimistic that something will be worked out so that we keep them both.

By tvsportscaster

February 19, 2007 01:17 PM | Link to this

I find the comments about this team being better than last year interesting. I sure would hope its better than last year’s garbage team or its going to be a long year. The bullpen itself is the major reason. But saying Chipper says this year’s team will be better than last year’s isn’t exactly awe inspiring. It sure better be.

By Braves20

February 19, 2007 01:19 PM | Link to this

Is anyone else surprised that most of the media (Sporting News, Baseball Weekly or whatever they call it since they polluted it with football) ranks the Braves mid-pack - 15 through 18th in the major leagues? Are we (Braves fans) just too geeked up to see a middle of the pack team one that has two All Stars plus a probable HOF on the left side, statistically the best pen in the NL and three guys who have won 20 in the rotation. Granted we’re going to have to get a first baseman when Thorman flops but this is not a middle of the pack team. Is it?

By Tuckerboy

February 19, 2007 01:20 PM | Link to this

Everyone’s an optimist in Spring! Too bad the right side infield defense will let the Braves down durng the season. I predict another 18 games out by the end of the year. Thorman will be gone by next year. He needs to DH in the AL whch is a better fit for him. Over-kill in the bullpen cannot cover the late innings when there is no lead to protect. Good pitching must have good defense in order to be effective. JS traded too much away this year.

By David O'Brien

February 19, 2007 01:26 PM | Link to this

Grinch, I didn’t get the review. Where’d you send it?

By Harry

February 19, 2007 01:31 PM | Link to this

DOB: I agree with your Lucinda review, as well as Greg Brown rec. I personally liked World better than Car Wheels, simply because it was a little less “studio polished”, if you know what I mean. You missed Gillian and Rawlings at the VP Friday. Excellent show, as always.

By MBravesFan

February 19, 2007 01:35 PM | Link to this

DOB, had a post on the now defunct blog about why Jonathan Johnson was chosen over Matt Wright to be on the 40 man roster… Was wondering if you could ask someone in the know how the thinking behind the move..

By The Grinch

February 19, 2007 01:36 PM | Link to this

OK, I just tried it again. dobrien@ajc.com. NOW I’m off to the gym.

By Mark

February 19, 2007 01:37 PM | Link to this

I love the negative people who talk smack and you can never find them at the end of the year when things don’t go as they think. The Braves will have a great team. Sure, you never know what may happen. As long as they can keep this team healthy, they will be in the race come September. Maybe that’s a big if, but time will tell. If Chipper says they are going to be good, then I believe him. He’s been on enough good teams to know one when he sees a good team…….don’t you think?

By David O'Brien

February 19, 2007 01:40 PM | Link to this

In Buster’s ESPN baseball blog today, he leads with a note about McCann and links to an interesting story about Leo in the Washington Post:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/18/AR2007021801121.html

By DonCoburleone

February 19, 2007 01:41 PM | Link to this

Why is everyone so worried about the right side of the infield? I mean, Thorman has played first his entire professional career, so he is at worst an average defensive first baseman. Sure LaRoche didn’t hardly make any errors, but at least we know Thorman will RUN to first base after fielding a ground ball. Plus, LaRoche’s range was nothing special. I swear I think I saw a total of 5 diving attempts in LaRoches career in Atlanta. And don’t worry about KJ, the guy is an extremely gifted athlete who’s had experience on the middle infield.

I’m not saying we will be better or even as good defensively this year as we were last year (in the infield). But our outfield is going to be downright sick. When Langerhans is in left, I believe it is without question the best defensive outfield in baseball…

By DonCoburleone

February 19, 2007 01:46 PM | Link to this

“If the Braves stay healthy, they could have pitching to trade at the end of spring training. Right-handers Oscar Villareal and Lance Cormier, both of whom were acquired from the Diamondbacks for catcher Johnny Estrada before last season, would be among the leading candidates to be dealt. The Dodgers could use a middle-inning reliever such as Villareal, while the A’s could pursue Cormier as a replacement for righty swingman Kirk Saarloos, whom they traded to the Reds.” - Ken Rosenthal

Did anyone else read this article this morning? If you think about it, he may have a point… Surely some team coming out of spring training is going to be willing to overpay for a guy like Villareal or Cormier.

By Tuckerboy

February 19, 2007 02:01 PM | Link to this

The outfield has to be good (and admittedly, this outfield is a potential one for the ages) because the infield D is horrible. Only true baseball people will ever understand the nuances and psychological effects that a good first baseman has over a team. Remember the first thing JS did in 1991 was bring in a third baseman (Terry Pendleton) and a first baseman (Sid Bream) who could actually catch and throw. JS has gotten away from his pitching AND defensive philosophy. Laroche played well for the Braves but it is his upside that the Braves will miss out on. The Braves can’t win it all without a solid defensive infield, especially first base. Not to beat a dead horse but what a lousy trade. Again, Thorman will be and should be gone by next year.

By DonCoburleone

February 19, 2007 02:02 PM | Link to this

But I don’t know, I really do like Cormier and Villareal… If I had to pick though, I’d trade Villareal before Cormier. I really think Cormier will be the 5th starter for the majority of the season, I don’t think there’s any doubt that he’s better than Davies right now…

By BigA

February 19, 2007 02:17 PM | Link to this

No discussion of “roots music” would be complete without a mention of the “Lost Highway” label, at www.losthighwayrecords.com. That label is home to Lucinda Williams, Willie Nelson, Ryan Adams, the last albums of Johnny Cash, Jayhawks, Elvis Costello, Van Morrison, Kim Richey and Golden Smog…to name a few. If the Braves are listening to “roots music”, I feel better about the season already.

By DonCoburleone

February 19, 2007 02:22 PM | Link to this

Tuckerboy, are you Adam LaRoche?

By Adam

February 19, 2007 02:26 PM | Link to this

Defense is important, but it’s not like Thorman can’t catch the ball or dig a throw. First base is not the most infield position to be solid, that would easily go to shortstop. Up the middle defense usually determines wins more often than corner defense. It’s all important, but do not believe for one minute that Thorman’s defense is the key to the Braves season. If he can’t catch routine throws or dig the ball out of the dirt on occassion then the Braves should be worried but I really doubt that would be the case.

By Nick

February 19, 2007 02:26 PM | Link to this

This situation does seem a lot more promising than last year. We’ll get over LaRoche, we’ve got enough bats that the pitching was more important anyway.

One thing I wonder about is speed on the bases. Do we have anybody who can steal a base this year? Last year, that really seemed to be lacking. Itd be great to have a speedy leadoff guy. Maybe we should try to get Furcal back off the Dodgers.

By geauxbraves2000

February 19, 2007 02:26 PM | Link to this

Thinking about it, what concens me this season is actually all of the coaches who seemed to have bolted, Corrales (his defensive positioning will be missed), Dews, Mazzone last year, Gonzalez (which I understand he left for a manager’s position). Does someone know something and is not saying? Or am I just reading something into nothing? I guess time will tell.

Still, if this team stays healthly, I really do think they are the team to beat.

Geaux Braves!!

By Mark

February 19, 2007 02:29 PM | Link to this

Only true baseball people will ever understand the nuances and psychological effects that a good first baseman has over a team

Now that is funny! Prime example would be Albert Pujols is an average first baseman at best and I think his team won the WS if I’m not mistaken.

By DonCoburleone

February 19, 2007 02:32 PM | Link to this

“The outfield has to be good (and admittedly, this outfield is a potential one for the ages) because the infield D is horrible. Only true baseball people will ever understand the nuances and psychological effects that a good first baseman has over a team. Remember the first thing JS did in 1991 was bring in a third baseman (Terry Pendleton) and a first baseman (Sid Bream) who could actually catch and throw. JS has gotten away from his pitching AND defensive philosophy. Laroche played well for the Braves but it is his upside that the Braves will miss out on. The Braves can’t win it all without a solid defensive infield, especially first base. Not to beat a dead horse but what a lousy trade. Again, Thorman will be and should be gone by next year.”

Okay okay, lets not kid ourselves here. Now, if baseball people are truly honest with themselves, they will ALL tell you that defense is without question the least important of the 3 major aspects of the game (pitching, offense, defense). You can’t have absolutely horrible defense, but an average defense is obviously good enough to make or win a world series…

By sammy miller

February 19, 2007 02:34 PM | Link to this

Sam I am i love green eggs and ham!!!

By brent

February 19, 2007 02:35 PM | Link to this

Roan St:

A team’s value is based upon its projected future cash flows and expenses.

So, in most instances, having a competitive team means a stronger fan base, more ticket sales, etc., and reason to believe that the future profitability will be strong.

Thus, value increases.

By DonCoburleone

February 19, 2007 02:37 PM | Link to this

“Only true baseball people will ever understand the nuances and psychological effects that a good first baseman has over a team”

“Now that is funny! Prime example would be Albert Pujols is an average first baseman at best and I think his team won the WS if I’m not mistaken.”

Well, a little off with that statement Mark, he won the gold glove at first last year… The better example would be the Mets, they won 98 games and were a run away from going to the World Series with Carlos Delgado and Jose Valentin on the right side of their infield. If anyone thinks Thorman and KJ can’t be as good defensively as Delgado and Valentin then you are an idiot…

By Dr.Doom

February 19, 2007 02:38 PM | Link to this

Nick,

Please refer to my comment at 2:20. That will take care of the concern you raised.

By kent

February 19, 2007 02:39 PM | Link to this

That’s very reassuring that Chipper thinks the Braves will be good. Did he think otherwise the pervious year?

By DonCoburleone

February 19, 2007 02:41 PM | Link to this

Nick I was saying that all last year too. That was the one problem with our offense, nobody who could get on base and really distract a pitcher and get him out of rhythm. That is what Furcal was so good at, and Giles benefitted from it. Don’t think his struggles last year were ONLY because he had to hit lead-off, Furcal got Giles better pitches to hit… But, I don’t think we need to trade anyone, just wait it out until 2009 when Renteria is gone and Lillibridge is ready to play everday at short… The guy is 50 steals a year waiting to happen…

By Mark

February 19, 2007 02:48 PM | Link to this

Because Albert won the gold glove doesn’t mean he is a great first baseman. He makes the routine plays, but I don’t think he is super smooth at first. Granted he more than makes up for it with the bat.

By ssiscribe

February 19, 2007 02:51 PM | Link to this

WISHIN’ I WAS AT DARK STAR — Hope springs eternal … that is, until some people look at the right side of the Braves infield.

Gone is Adam LaRoche, his Gold Glove potential and 30 home runs, from first base. Gone is Marcus Giles, an All-Star known for his gap power and true grit up the middle. In their place, two question marks in Scott Thorman at first and Kelly Johnson at second.

Certainly, I am one who expects there to be some semblance of a dropoff in defense at the two positions. With that said, I don’t think every ground ball hit to the right of the pitcher’s mound is going to end up in the glove of right fielder Jeff Francoeur.

Johnson has worked diligently all winter with former Braves second baseman Glenn Hubbard, who had worked with Giles in years past and helped Giles become one of the better second basemen in the NL. Johnson started his career in the middle of the infield as a shortstop, so he came into this offseason with a working knowledge and some experience around the second-base bag.

Thorman — as just about any other first baseman out there — will be hard pressed to match LaRoche’s defensive numbers (five errors in 142 games, a sparkling .996 fielding percentage). But in 18 games last year at first base, a span of 117.1 innings played, Thorman made just one error. Projected out over 144 games, that’s eight errors, a .992 fielding percentage.

A more accurate barometer is Thorman’s work at Class AAA Richmond, where he made eight errors in 81 games. Some of those games — and I couldn’t find out how many — were in left field; remember, Thorman was put into left field for a time, then promoted to the big-league club to help out in left (he played in 21 games in the outfield last year).

Still, citing the old adage that one must give up something to get something of value, the Braves had to part with LaRoche in order to get Mike Gonzalez, who along with Rafael Soriano and Bob Wickman form one of the major’s best bullpens. Anybody who watched the Braves for more than, oh, two minutes last year realized the leak in this ship came from behind the right-field wall. Dealing from a position of strength — plenty of offensive support on board — the Braves felt giving up LaRoche was worth it in order to shore up the bullpen.

Certainly, the Braves won’t be as strong defensively on the right side of the infield, but I don’t see the leaky sieve others feel Johnson-Thorman duo will be. Instead, I see two young players who will make some errors, but will progress as the season unfolds.

And those who bemoan the loss of LaRoche’s offense only need look at last year’s final standings in the NL East to see how much good the vaunted offense did Atlanta in the long run. This year’s team will score more than enough runs, and Johnson and Thorman will contribute to that. Defensively, there won’t have a true reading on just how well they will fare until we get well into the season — meaning if KJ or Thorman make an error on April 2 in Philly, it’s not time to call up Martin Prado or start Craig Wilson.

Overall, this Braves team is better that last year’s squad, even with Johnson and Thorman in their current positions, better suited to return to the top of the NL East and better suited to do something once October dawns.

Have at it, denzines. The Scribe abides.

—30—

By Mark

February 19, 2007 02:59 PM | Link to this

*That’s very reassuring that Chipper *thinks the Braves will be good. Did he **think otherwise the pervious year?

You have a point to a degree……….What is he going to say? We are going to stink it up this year? But, last year everyone knew the bullpen was very suspect at best! Now, we know that the bullpen is strong and that was obviously what killed us last year. This team will be in the playoffs this year IF and it’s a big IF, we can keep the key guys healthy. If Chipper goes down it’s going to be a long year. If he plays 140+ games we will be the a WS caliber team.

By NYM

February 19, 2007 03:00 PM | Link to this

Keith Hernandez was a great first baseman. If Ozzie is in the Hall for his glove then Hernandez should be too.

By daddy

February 19, 2007 03:00 PM | Link to this

Thurston Moore? You’re a lot cooler than I imagined, Dave.

By The Stranger

February 19, 2007 03:04 PM | Link to this

I’m surprised the WaPo didn’t seek out colorful quotes from former Braves pitchers, such as Marquis or Ligtenberg for the Mazzone article.

I won’t discount Leo’s contribution to the Braves’ NL East dynasty, but I will say it was time for a change in leadership for Braves pitching. I was much sadder to see the loss of Pat Corrales & Bobby Dews.

Living in a city with no MLB team, I finally saw my first Braves game in person a few years back. I thought the bigggest thrill would be seeing my favorite players, like the Joneses, making plays in the field. Nope. Biggest thrill for me was seeing Dewsie with his pads on playing catch in the pen before the game, and Glenn Hubbard hitting grounders to Andruw on the infield. And, of course, Bobby Cox, living legend, slapping backs and yelling encouragement to everyone.

It wasn’t the millionaires that made the show. It was the coaches and their mid-level management salaries, playing catch and throwing BP and teaching the game. Can’t find that on a football field or a basketball court or a hockey rink. It’s what makes Baseball a pasttime rather than a spectacle.

Thanks O’B for bringing Braves’ Spring Training to all of us fans spread far and wide.

By hk

February 19, 2007 03:06 PM | Link to this

Bob, plain and simple …

… hadn’t checked the blog in a few days, saw your 11.28am above, thought (ha!!), went back, read your posts and the various responses from the earlier blog, then back to Arkansas Hillbilly’s comments about the ‘saitizing’ from the blog before that, and finally, what I think is by far the best piece DOB has ever done on the ‘stinky’ problem since I’ve been lurking here (March of last year) .. triggers some thoughts …

… I’ve been tracking blogs since 1996, my favorite one nicknamed ‘freep’ … gets 20-40,000 posts a day these days, great way to get the truth of the news … with that blog, and every other I’ve seen, their is this period in the early years when it is pretty rough … the ‘stinky’ problem is ever present … but as time goes by, the blog matures, and the correction is mostly done by the bloggers themselves … antagonists go away, but occasionally are changed for the better by all the back and forth with some of the more seasoned veterans …

… I did a spreadsheet on this about a year ago (weighted criteria, etc), when stinky was in full bloom, made some projections as to how this blog might develop over the years … long story short, this blog has matured hugely since then, much better than I figured …

… it is alot easier for privately owned blogs like ‘freep’ to monitor content than AJC, who is not only public, but has the ‘freedoms’ issues to contend with, vulnerable to lawsuits as such … but I feel like this blog is doing just fine, is by far my favorite, right up there with ‘freep’ … some reasons:

(1) the exchanges on the problem between you guys are highly entertaining … and your expositions in the last few days, with reactions are first rate, high caliber stuff …

(2) our stinky has changed alot in the last year, for the better, so has SDA …

(3) provocations are part of life, and this blog is one of the best teaching places I know for learning how to handle it … it grow us up, I know I have learned alot …

(4) I just love the back and forth between particular guys … you get to know them and the history of their running conversation … for instance Lew just said something to bob about our all being “incomplete fools”, quoting something bob said to Lew way back last summer, I remember because I chimed in at the time, stuff like that is a delight …

(5) all this blog stuff is pretty new to AJC, it has taken them awhile to get the hang of it, and they are doing alot better at it … over time as they become familiar with the nuances of a particular blog it becomes easier to selectively delete messages, which tend to wear down (and educate) the antagonist …

… I feel like jimmy will be back, he retires to take a deep breath from time to time … same with Carolina Lady …

By BabeOnBaseball

February 19, 2007 03:11 PM | Link to this

I agree with Chipper that the Braves teams that have gone the deepest in the playoffs have done so on the strength of the pitching staff. That’s why I’m so optimistic about this year, much like Chipper.

Thanks for the post. You described this morning in such great detail I could picture myself there. Can’t wait to come see the first game next week!

http://babeonbaseball.blogspot.com

By mike p.

February 19, 2007 03:27 PM | Link to this

Let’s throw this out there.If Chipper cant get it done with his bat, do we put Aybar on third and put some speed on the bases? We are going to have to face the fact that he will get hurt again and we could have a brand new younger infield like we had when we started the run in 1991. Also the Baseball Channel on MLB.com didn’t even have Braves pitchers in their top 5. Are we really better or do we just think we are. I would be interested in what others think. GO BRAVES!!!!!!!!!!

By Mark

February 19, 2007 03:37 PM | Link to this

Let’s throw this out there.If Chipper cant get it done with his bat, do we put Aybar on third and put some speed on the bases?

Chipper is still the heart and soul of this team. Look at the numbers he put up in 110 games last year. I say we need to use Aybar to spell him at least once a week and late in the game if we can afford to take Chipper out. The success of this team this year depends on Chipper staying healthy PERIOD! The pitching will be fine and the bullpen is settled. Finally!! WE don’t have to wait for the 8th and 9th to blow a game we have in hand. Thank Goodness!!

By Mark

February 19, 2007 03:40 PM | Link to this

Also the Baseball Channel on MLB.com didn’t even have Braves pitchers in their top 5.

How many of these so called “experts” picked the Tigers and Cardinals to be in the WS last year? Enough said don’t you think?

By jed

February 19, 2007 03:42 PM | Link to this

Bench Chipper? He’s one of the best hitters in the game! How bout this? If Thorman doesn’t work out at 1b, move Chipper to 1b and put Aybar on 3b. So many variables…everything will depend on performance….I really dont expect the lineup we’re projecting now to be the lineup we see in June.

By DonCoburleone

February 19, 2007 03:44 PM | Link to this

Of course we are Mike P., after all, fan is short for fanatic… But, with that said, the fact is we have 3 former 20 game winners at the front of the rotation and 2 (potentially 3) dominant closers in the bullpen. Our pitching should be good…

By nick

February 19, 2007 03:52 PM | Link to this

DonCoburleone-

Let’s not forget the potential of rockstar status for Chucky James, who could easily be a 20 game winner within the next few years.

By ssiscribe

February 19, 2007 03:55 PM | Link to this

OK, I’ll bite. Chipper to first? Not happening. Hoss has said repeatedly he’s not going over there. And from what he’s said all spring, he’s not taking any days off as a precaution.

Aybar played well in September, and did a good job in the leadoff spot, as well. But I don’t think you’re going to see Chipper sitting on a quasi-regular basis until or unless he gets hurt. If he can play 150 games, he’s in there.

I think the lineup we project today, Feb. 19, stands to be the lineup we see in June if everybody stays healthy. The only changes I forsee is if Johnson is an absolute flop at second base, and the potential for some revolving in left field between Langerhans (or Diaz, if Ryan really struggles in camp) and Wilson. I think Thorman will do plenty enough with the stick and glove to play most every day at first base. That’s what we’ve heard since the LaRoche trade, that Thorman is going to play most every day, against lefties, etc.

hk, nice to hear from you. Good points on the evolution of the ol’ blog, here. I hope you are right about Jimmy and Carolina Lady, and I think in time, they shall return.

—30—

By DonCoburleone

February 19, 2007 03:56 PM | Link to this

I think our biggest concern though is without question losing a starter to injury. If Hampton or Hudson or (gulp) Smoltz goes down with injury, we will definately be struggling to fill out the 4 and 5 spot in the rotation. Unless Davies picks it up and pitches like many people (other than me) believes he can, we are looking at Cormier and ????? to fill out the rotation… Sounds a little like the last couple months of last year don’t it?

By Rev. Cletus Fowler

February 19, 2007 04:02 PM | Link to this

All good Braves fans should pray for full restoration of our team:

Restore our fortunes, O Lord, like the torrents in the southern desert.

Those that sow in tears shall reap rejoicing. Although they go forth weeping, carrying the seed to be sown, they shall come back rejoicing, carrying their sheaves.

By Greg in TN

February 19, 2007 04:16 PM | Link to this

Mark P - The only reason Chipper sits is if he’s injured. The past few seasons that he’s battled injuries, he’s still managed to hit .296 in 109 games in 2005 and .324 in 110 games last year. Nothing wrong with his stick other than the fact he hasn’t had a chance to use it in 150+ games since 2003.

I’ve said this pretty consistantly when it’s been mentioned in previous blogs and I’ll mention it again, moving Chipper to first is a bad, bad idea with his feet the way they are. There is much more footwork and movement required at first that could aggravate his feet even more than playing third would do.

By tulsabravo

February 19, 2007 04:42 PM | Link to this

I still don’t understand why the Braves have done nothing to address their need for a leadoff hitter. We need someone fast who can work the pitch-count and can steal when he gets on. And by the way, that’s a big “if” when asking if Hampton can be any good this year. Still see the Braves as a .500 team, good for 3rd or 4th place in the NL East.

By AdirondackDave

February 19, 2007 04:49 PM | Link to this

I sure hope Chipper plays ‘til his 40s as a Brave and goes to Cooperstown (I should say comes to Cooperstown because it’s only 50 miles from here). That aside, he really is the perfect America League DH. Switch-hitter, power, average, OBP, clutch RBIs… everything you could want from a day-in, day-out DH.

It’s not about to happen, but if the NL had the DH, can you imagine the career numbers Chipper would put up? He’d pass 500 homers at 38 and challenge 600 at 41-42. All this with a .300+ BA, .400 OBP, etc. There would be serious discussions about whether Mickey or Chipper was the all-time best switch-hitter as well as “can you imagine if they had healthy legs/feet into their 40s.”

Or am I an over-enthusiastic Chipper fan? Maybe but I don’t think so.

By Braves20

February 19, 2007 04:52 PM | Link to this

Everybody seems worried about Thorman’s glove - and rightfully so but it is the bat that we should be worried about. It’s hard to build a winner with a guy at first hitting under two and a half. And with no money to pick up a rental like Helton or Sweeney, it shapes up as a dreadful platoon of Wilson, Woodward and who knows who else.

By jimmy smith

February 19, 2007 04:59 PM | Link to this

blogger friends, thank you for your e-mails. it is good to be missed.

despite what some have suggested, jimmy smith is not away from the blog offering a protest against any one blogger - for jimmy smith is not easily intimidated.

jimmy smith can give as good as jimmy smith gets - as some will attest - only not so crudely as some. just outsmarting stinky is enough - and sometimes baby seal does this for jimmy smith.

it’s dob’s blog and jimmy smith respects dob enough to clear out when dob asks. but dob might take note that some useful contributors no longer come here. jimmy smith can’t say why.

jimmy smith can only speak for jimmy smith.

jimmy smith was painted by dob with the same brush that had been rubbed all over stinky for months and jimmy smith was appalled by that. rather than exchange e-mail addresses with stinky, as dob suggested, jimmy smith decided to find other amusements.

jimmy smith has taken up the ukulele. jimmy smith hopes to learn to draw through correspondence training with esteemed blog artist, lew. soon, jimmy smith will begin growing hostas again. and jimmy smith is once-again dabbling in the market. coincidentally, in this time of need, jimmy smith has a new girlfriend.

“and, jimmy smith is busily preparing for an audition on american idol.*

the world does not stand still for jimmy smith. still, jimmy smith misses the blog. the toe discussions here of late have been mis-guided and full of mis-information - but jimmy smith digresses.

this now “former journalist” especially misses jimmy smith’s blog buddies and wishes everyone a great and entertaining year in baseball with good toe health for all players. toes are not to be trifled with.

go braves! and, as the old journalist is wont to say when the cheese is off the table, selah.

and where is -35- ?

By Voice of Reason

February 19, 2007 05:32 PM | Link to this

My toe kinda hurts… See ya JJS!

By David O'Brien

February 19, 2007 05:39 PM | Link to this

JJS, I was hoping my reference to Chipper’s bunions and Edmonds’ hammer toe would get you back. If that wouldn’t do it, I knew nothing would.

Sorry to hear that you were so offended or took my suggestion the wrong way. I was merely very upset that morning that you two were continuinig the sniping from the night before. And since it wasn’t just him, but you, too, I rightfully included you in the admonition.

You know your contributions are appreciated here, but not going to apologize for asking you to take the personal back-and-forth elsewhere. Don’t be so easily offended, man. If I was, we’d have two-paragraph blog posts ever day, and no responses from me to any questions.

We’d love to have you back. The Braves/Man in Black will go on regardless, but it’s best with the full complement of denizens onboard.

By David O'Brien

February 19, 2007 05:45 PM | Link to this

Adirondack Dave, I’d agree about the DH thing for Chipper _ IF he hadn’t spent his entire career with the Braves. If he’d bounced around to two or three teams (or five or six, like a Sheffield), I’d agree the DH is where he belongs. But he’s got this year and next on his contract, at $11 mill each season, with a vesting option for 2009 worth $8 mill to $11 mill.

Long as he’s productive, I think he’s worth the money to the Braves, both for his contributions on the field and in the clubhouse. I really do. It’s so rare in the game today to have a player like a Jeter who spends his whole career with one team, and the Braves could have three _ Smoltz, Chipper and, unlikely as it might seem, Andruw. They should at least make sure the first two stay here, long as it’s for reasonable prices, and try like hell to afford Andruw if it’s doable.

By DonCoburleone

February 19, 2007 06:03 PM | Link to this

We should try like he!! to keep Andruw, but it’s not gonna happen DOB unless Liberty Media ups the payroll at some point between now and the end of the season. And lets be real here, whoever is calling the shots for Liberty Media regarding the Braves probably doesn’t even know who Andruw Jones is… I mean, is that really a ridiculous statement to make DOB? The Braves were nothing more than a line item on a contract that saved Liberty Media millions in capital gains taxes, THATS IT!

Typical though, the Braves have been under-appreciated for the last decade and a half…

By ncscoots

February 19, 2007 06:03 PM | Link to this

Jeez, Brave20, did Thorman once spit on your children or something? You certainly seem to have a mad-on for the guy. You vilify Thor as no-glove, no-lumber, based on what? Perhaps you can draw on your expertise in swing mechanics and dissect the many holes in his swing for us. Or perhaps point out the problems with his footwork and positioning around 1B, to spotlight his defensive deficiencies. Maybe pick out some of his minor league stats that show he’ll be a total offensive and defensive bust.

It’s obviously a conspiracy that the guy was rated one of the organization’s top prospects. Well, those of us who think he’ll succeed will soon learn better, I guess.

By DonCoburleone

February 19, 2007 06:04 PM | Link to this

We should try like he!! to keep Andruw, but it’s not gonna happen DOB unless Liberty Media ups the payroll at some point between now and the end of the season. And lets be real here, whoever is calling the shots for Liberty Media regarding the Braves probably doesn’t even know who Andruw Jones is… I mean, is that really a ridiculous statement to make DOB? The Braves were nothing more than a line item on a contract that saved Liberty Media millions in capital gains taxes, THATS IT!

Typical though, the Braves have been under-appreciated for the last decade and a half…

By Wayne in UT

February 19, 2007 06:21 PM | Link to this

A thought or two about AJ. Andruw (why does he spell his name wrong?) has been a great CF for the past 10+ years. AJ has lost a step or two over the past few years. Also, he has picked up a few extra pounds in recent years. Unless he has gone on an off season diet this year, I have to assume he is about the same size as last year now.

This statement is not scientific, but is just my assessment of what I have seen. Many players when they have reached 28-30 years of age, go into a slight decline until they finally become a shadow of themselves. Of course, AJ’s numbers do not reflect such a decline for him, but will it start next year, or the year after.

With that having been said, we have thought in the past few years (that thinking has changed somewhat after this winters ridiculous contracts) that we had 3 players who have had a disproportionate percentage of our teams salary. If the Liberty folks offer AJ 18 Million for 5-6 years and he accepts, what are we going to be saying about this contract in 3 years, when AJ’s knees are 3 years older?

If he wants to stay for his career, then I am sorry, I am not inclined to want to pay him as a 36 year old the same salary he was worth as a 30 year old. My inclination would be to offer him a contract with an opt out for both him AND the team in 3-4 years, or offer him a 3-4 year contract, with some vesting options for additional years. Let’s don’t get ourselves into another bad contract situation like some teams are willing to do. All players are replaceable. Maybe not in one year, but ultimately, they are replaceable.

Agree, disagree??

By Jon B

February 19, 2007 06:22 PM | Link to this

DOB Guess I was right about Wickman losing some weight. I thought he looked much slimmer than last year. Looks better, healthier. Good for him. I myself need to get my fat butt on a treadmill or something. LOL

By ncscoots

February 19, 2007 06:28 PM | Link to this

While it’s true that the Braves are just a speck on the P/L for Liberty Media, the team will have a much higher public profile than any of their other, core, businesses. Do not doubt the competitive streak in Malone…it’s unlikely he would let the team rot on the vine, with his name attached to the decay. You think Schuerholz has an ego? Fuhgeddaboutit. Malone won’t throw money at the team, because it’s not a toy to him, but he’s the type of guy who can be convinced about budgets, given good reason. And, frankly, $10MM more a year to the Braves is not going to impact Liberty Media’s bottom line a whit.

By james

February 19, 2007 06:29 PM | Link to this

DOB who were the pitchers that worked out today and how did they look(specifically Davies)?

By DonCoburleone

February 19, 2007 06:36 PM | Link to this

ncscoots I think Brave20 might be Adam LaRoche…

By just Bob, plain and simple

February 19, 2007 06:53 PM | Link to this

HK, All

Thanks for the acknowledgement and words of wisdom!

I haven’t really been keeping up with the Blog for some time … not in protest … first on-going computer problems then serious family illnesses, and my own lingering bout with the flu. However, I’ve enjoyed some wonderful email contact with some of my friends.

When JJS emailed that the Ugandan journalist was retiring, I was greatly disappointed but not really surprised … a polluted atmosphere drains both the energy and the passion of the strongest of those among us. Hopefully, Spring Training and improvement in conditions will allow Jimmy, My Lady and the rest of us to recharge our batteries and return to active participation.

Of all those who post, Jimmy’s head and shoulders above the rest when it comes to imagination, wit and insight! If Carolina Lady is the Blog’s First Lady, then surely he’s its number one gent!

I just react to folks … they’re true creative artists with the pen, the ones truly deserving of the Wurlitzer!

So, when I learned of Jimmy’s decision, I visited the Blog in order to gain a little more insight into what had triggered Jimmy’s departure … the best thing that came of that was that I gained greater appreciation for the eloquence of one hillbilly from Arkansas and the sincerity of a certain scribe who’s always on the spot with good information and words of wisdom.

I read David’s most unfortunate post … one which will join 7 December in infamy … and the posts causing his frustration.

As I posted earlier, David’s frustration is totally understandable and most of us have been there and done that … methinks his intentions were good but unlike the attack on the Harbor of Pearl, I think his aim was bad … we all have our opinions but, from my view, he had the wrong target!

Ugandan journalists have a strange sense of humor when it comes to things like that … they don’t like it! It was important for many of us to know where both Jimmy and David stood on this … and it’s good to have heard from them both.

I’m sure Robert would disagree … but, it’s unfortunate that the wisdom of Bobby Cox’ s wonderful management style couldn’t have been used in handling this awkward situation … or at least his private office.

David’s work is outstanding and his extra effort on the Blog he mentors is without equal … Porter’s “Night and Day” best describes the difference between his efforts … and those of most others!

However, I can’t agree with the notion that we can afford to lose our First Lady and First Gent … that would be like the 2007 Braves without Smoltz, Frenchy, McCann, Chipper, Andrew and Bobby … or me having buiscits without country ham and redeye gravy … no, those are not among my mt favorite things.

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