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DEL.ICIO.USDavies wants to stop the rollercoaster
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Kyle Davies is saying the right things and insists he’s physically sound and ready to get his career headed in the proper direction.
But the Braves’ former top-prospect pitcher from Stockbridge knows that the mental side of his game might benefit from the Chuck James ignorance-is-bliss school of thinking _ or non-thinking, as it were.
James is the undersized, country-boy lefty who surpassed expectations at every level to become the ascendant young pitcher Davies was supposed to be at this point.
James, 25, has a bald head, a devilish smiled, a fastball that rarely tops 90 mph, and doesn’t do much studying of hitters or read up about what other teams are doing in the offseason _ or his team, for that matter.
The kid from Mableton swears he didn’t know anything about the relievers _ Rafael Soriano and lefty Mike Gonzalez _ the Braves traded for this winter until friends told him how big the moves were for the Braves.
James couldn’t be bothered by hot-stove talk, since he was waking up before the crack of dawn for his job installing windows and doors for a Lowe’s subcontractor. Yes, dude who won 11 of his 18 starts as a rookie saw no reason to give up his offseason manual-labor job.
You couldn’t sell a movie script with the James character if he weren’t real, because he’d seem too implausible, the accent too thick, the demeanor too care-free, to be believed by most audiences today.
But he’s the real deal, James is. Penciled in for the No. 4 spot in the rotation after pitching better than any Braves starter except John Smoltz last summer, when James went 11-4 with a 3.93 ERA after moving to the rotation.
James freely admits he doesn’t know much about the hitters he’s facing, didn’t collect their bubblegum cards as a kid, played baseball but didn’t follow it on TV or the internet. Perhaps as a result, he’s seemingly never intimidated, and doesn’t overanalyze why he succeeded or failed or what he might have done differently.
“That’s where I’m trying to get to, just pitch how you can pitch,“ Davies said. “Stop trying to prove yourself and just go out and pitch.”
Davies said a lot this morning, before the first pitchers-and-catchers workout. Talked about how the torn groin that put him on the DL three months last year is completely healed, talked about how good his arm feels, how his major league career so far has been, “up and down, up and down, a rollercoaster,” and how he wants to erase last season and show he’s ready to help his hometown team.
He doesn’t want to worry about competition for the fifth-starter job, about the thought of possibly going to Richmond to begin the season, none of that.
Do you remember the night he came up from the minors and threw five scoreless innings on a raw, wet night at Fenway Park, winning his debut and being surrounded by Atlanta and Boston media members, his life story laid out in the next day’s papers for all of Red Sox Nation who wondered about this obscure kid who had stuck it to them? Davies remembers.
“I remember everything about that game, but it seems like 15 or 20 years ago,” he said.
After going 2-1 with an 0.77 ERA in his first four major league starts, he’s 8-12 with a 7.40 ERA in 31 games (24 starts) since then, including 3-10 with an 8.38 ERA in his last 18 games (15 starts). In the latter stretch he’s allowed a .328 opponents’ average and 15 homers in 72 innings. Yikes.
“I want to go out there and pitch, not think about anything else,” said Davies, who wants to get back to the relaxed, nothing-to-lose approach he took upon being thrust into the majors two years ago.
And for the next six weeks at Dark Star, aka Disney World, and other spring-training ballparks across Florida, he’ll get that chance.
Comments
By TennesseePaul
February 16, 2007 11:14 AM | Link to this
DOB: Thanks for the update on Davies. Keep warm down there in frigid Florida. This Global Warming business is terrible.
By caveman22
February 16, 2007 11:19 AM | Link to this
What would happen if James had hurt his hands or fingers while working?? What kind of clause does MLB have for off-season jobs. And how old would that clause be?? It would have to be early 1900’s in origin. Oh yeah , I almost forgot TERENCE MOORE SUX There , now I feel better.
By ssiscribe
February 16, 2007 11:25 AM | Link to this
New blog, all right!
Good piece on Davies. I’m really rooting for him to find the consistency and confidence to nail down the No. 5 spot. Anybody can have a season like he had in 2006, when the breaking ball’s getting too much of the plate and something in the body tears. It’s a matter of shaking off the doubts physically and mentally, and getting on with the business of getting hitters out.
Kyle Davies pitching like he showed he was capable of in those first few starts in 2005 really adds tremendous depth to the rotation. I think he needs every opportunity to win the No. 5 spot, going to Richmond only if it’s crystal clear he cannot cut it at the major league level right now.
And yes, I know Cormier pitched well as a spot starter, but the Braves — looking at the schedule on my bulletin board — only have four off days between the start of the season (April 2) and May 20, two in the season’s first eight days (April 3, April 9).
So yes, the fifth spot in the rotation is plenty important, especially given the fact of the Braves’ first 53 games, 33 are against Eastern Division teams, including the first 14 of the season.
Hopefully, all those pitchers stretch their arms out really good on a chilly morning at the Evil Empire. The Scribe abides.
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By CAR3BOOGIE
February 16, 2007 11:29 AM | Link to this
David, I understand McBride is a situational Lefty but, Would he ever be considered for a starters job or is that spot too important.
Great job on the Davies article and keep up the good work.
By CAR3BOOGIE
February 16, 2007 11:30 AM | Link to this
One other thing when is the best time to bring the kids down to Spring training.
By dougp
February 16, 2007 11:31 AM | Link to this
This was a production of David O’Brien.
By kingthomason
February 16, 2007 11:32 AM | Link to this
I wondered where the Braves got most of there pitchers last year…..Lowes!!!!! That explained all of those blown games.
By TennesseePaul
February 16, 2007 11:32 AM | Link to this
What kind of clause does MLB have for off-season jobs. And how old would that clause be?? It would have to be early 1900’s in origin.
No clause. This would only be rooted in the Free Agency era of baseball. For example, Hammerin Hank had offseason jobs to help pay the bills. All old ball players did to some extent. Prior to FA, players didn’t make near as much money. An injured player didn’t cost the team all that much in terms of contract commitment.
By Greg in TN
February 16, 2007 11:33 AM | Link to this
Greetins Y’all,
Thanks for the updates, DOB. James seems like he’s a kid that’s as down-to-earth and unassuming as they come. I’m pulling for Davies to improve this spring, but if he needs to start the season in Richmond to get his groove back, it certainly wouldn’t be the end of the world.
I like what I’m hearing from the land of the Mouse so far. Sounds like everyone there is focused on placing last year behind them. I also loved hearing about BC in uniform going from meeting to meeting.
By Don't drink and type
February 16, 2007 11:37 AM | Link to this
Don’t let James fool you. He knows being underestimated gives him an advantage. He’s country, but not dumb.
Maybe it’s the hope springs eternal in spring thing, but I’ve got a feeling about his team, like maybe it might be 1991-type special. I hope so.
As usual, I enjoy your new-fangledy Web log Mr. O’Brien.
-30- (Dang, scribe I haven’t seen anybody do that in 15 years. You’re old school dog, and I like it.)
By Robert
February 16, 2007 11:38 AM | Link to this
Maybe they should get Davies to see that sports shrink that worked with Smoltzie years back
By rammerjammer
February 16, 2007 11:57 AM | Link to this
Great reporting DOB.
I concur with the thought that Davies would be best suited beginning the season at Richmond and getting ready for the big stage. In retrospect, that would’ve been best for Devine’s career, too.
Something tells me that with all the question marks surrounding Smoltz, Hudson, Hampton and James, Davies will be back if he does well.
By gotigers72
February 16, 2007 12:03 PM | Link to this
Four keys for Davies, because his stuff is fine. 1 - Keep the ball down, and by down I mean mid thigh and below 2 - Get the pitch count down. He almost always has thrown around 100 pitches by the 5th inning 3 - Throw strikes, get ahead of the hitters and 4 - Keep the ball out of the middle of the plate.
He reminds me of Macay McBride in that he has great stuff, needs to learn to trust that stuff. I think McBride finally learned that during the last half of last year. Davies needs to learn he can’t get MLB hitters out the way he got minor league hitters out. He is young, but needs to start the learning process this year.
By Shaun
February 16, 2007 12:10 PM | Link to this
espn.com has a chart that shows in what area of the zone pitchers like to throw. Davies threw a lot of inside pitches. Seems to me he needs to make a minor adjustment—painting the outside corner. I think he’ll be fine once he takes care of that. His K/BB ratio is great, his K rate is good. He has all the right tools.
By The Grinch
February 16, 2007 12:16 PM | Link to this
Ok, I give up. What does the “-30-” mean at the end of your posts, Scribe? I wasn’t gonna ask until someone else recognized and understood it. BTW, a little birdie tells me James knows more about his opponents than he lets on. I like his style. Off to the gun store; gonna get the feed ramp polished in one of my .45’s. It’s been hangin’ up a bit lately; wouldn’t want a jam to bite me the wrong way in a crucial situation.
By Devastator
February 16, 2007 12:20 PM | Link to this
I love the braves, but will someone give me one good reason why we should think they’ll be any less disappointing than in the past. I know the bullpen has been fixed, but what about the offense? This sounds to familiar to me.
By Don't drink and type
February 16, 2007 12:26 PM | Link to this
In the days of glue pots and a bottle of bourbon in the desk drawer, journalists used to type -30- to indicate the end of their story. Not sure why that number was chosen. But it goes back to the days when newsrooms, press boxes, etc. buzzed with the sounds of typwriter keys being punched.
By PA Bravefan
February 16, 2007 12:29 PM | Link to this
If Davies pitches like everyone thinks he is capable of, he should be a very good #5. I hope he can!! Go Braves! It is so exciting that we get baseball again in our lives. I don’t know about anyone else, but I have been waiting since October for this date! Pitchers and Catchers, On the Field!!
By Don't drink and type
February 16, 2007 12:33 PM | Link to this
But don’t ask me anything about Web logs. I’m too stupid to grasp the concept.
By MBATL
February 16, 2007 12:34 PM | Link to this
Grinch, “-30-” is a symbol traditionally used by journalists to indicate the end of an article - I guess so the editor knows they’ve got the “whole story.” (I took a couple of journalism courses in college and wrote for a couple of trade pubs, but certainly am no “journalist” for DOB blog purposes!)
By Arkansas Hillbilly
February 16, 2007 12:38 PM | Link to this
Grinch
Oh nevermind….I’m not even gonna attempt to ask why you’re packing heat.
BTW I didn’t know what the -30- thing meant either.
By Shaun
February 16, 2007 12:55 PM | Link to this
Devastator,
Simple: The offense was the second-best in the NL last season with Giles having a subpar year, Chipper missing a good chunk of games and a rightfielder that made a lot of outs. Now the offense is likely to decline some with the loss of LaRoche, and McCann and Renteria due for declines (they were just so good last season that the odds are against them repeating). But no one is really due for a significant decline. Even with the slight declines at a few positions, the offense is not going to drop from 2nd in runs to the bottom half (unless there is a disaster like major injuries or something like that).
By TennesseePaul
February 16, 2007 01:20 PM | Link to this
will someone give me one good reason why we should think they’ll be any less disappointing
Because of the 136 years of tradition instilled within the oldest professional sports franchise in America from Tommy Bond to John Smoltz. The 12 NL pennants prior to the inception of the American League and WS. The 3 WS titles in 3 different US cities. 14 consecutive Division Titles. Including 5 NL Pennants and a WS title. The over all 15 titles for best in Best Ball this franchise owns. To put it simply, because we are the Braves.
GO BRAVES
By MBATL
February 16, 2007 01:21 PM | Link to this
You gotta figure the Braves would rather Davies emerge as a quality starter this year, and win the job.
Sounds to me like they’re “leaking” the suggestion that Cormier has a shot at it, as a motivation to Davies (not to say Cormier doesn’t have real shot, just that the Braves are making a point of it). Reminding Davies that the job is not his to lose, at this point, but is there to win with good performance.
Even if Davies wins the job (and all else goes as planned in ST), I’m thinking we keep Cormier on the roster, along with Wickman, Gonzalez, Soriano, Villarreal, McBride, and Paronto.
Villarreal and Cormier have “multiple inning” abilities for long relief, and could spot start if needed without having to make a roster move; and Paronto is out of options and pitched really well last year.
That would leave Devine, Boyer, Yates at Richmond; they could get consistent work and be called up when needed, as each has options.
But if Davies doesn’t win the starting job, he’d be much better off in Richmond too (hey, maybe Richmond could have a winning record, for a change!)
By uncle jay
February 16, 2007 01:23 PM | Link to this
Who is Fred Stone?
By Devastator
February 16, 2007 01:24 PM | Link to this
Thanks Shaun. I would still feel a little more comfortable if we brought in a huge bat.
By ssiscribe
February 16, 2007 01:30 PM | Link to this
Indeed, Don’t drink and type and MBATL, in the days when stories were typed on paper, —30— was a universally recognized symbol that said “this story is over.” My high school journalism advisor showed us that, and it just stuck.
Call it my nod to the Furman Bisher, Jesse Outlaw, Wayne Minchew, Lewis Grizzard crowd, those who came before us who today ply the journalistic craft in the digital age. Us younger Scribes, with our cell phones and Internet resources and laptops and air cards, et al, marvel at how you did this job in the days of Western Union, white out and Royal typewriters.
Time to plan next week. See ya, denzines.
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By David O'Brien
February 16, 2007 01:30 PM | Link to this
Smoltz talked this morning, and I asked him a few questions related to the divorce and he was good, said far more than he’d led Braves officials to believe he might be willing to say. Nothing deeply personal about the reasons or anything, and that’s frankly none of our business, but just about how he’s not going to let anything effect him once he’s “between the lines” and in his preparations, how he plans to enjoy himself this year and not let things affect him as much, like stuff written about him if he starts out slow. He said he’s not going to say as much either, not going to “play GM” like he did before, just going to be “one of 25” etc etc. He was good, and very professional, not at all upset with any of my questions or offended.
Anyway, I’m going to write about him for tomorrow, got to get going with that. Just wanted to update you here on a few things including that….
Young Mr. Matt Harrison impressed today in his first throwing session in front of the skipper. Cox had never seen him before, and said he could see why Braves officials are so high on him.
I talked to the kid, who’s 21, 6-feet-4 (listed at 6-5) and as shy and soft-spoken as you can possibly imagine. He’s a bit starry-eyed right now, but long as he gets ‘er done on the mound, he’ll be just fine once he gets used to seeing “Smoltz” and “Hudson” above those locker stalls.
I don’t think he’s a serious candidate for fifth starter, but if he makes a good impression, wouldn’t entirely rule out a callup if he’s having a good year in minors and Braves have injury problems during the season….
Bobby raved about Hudson’s mound session today, said he’s throwing great. And all went well with Hampton, who threw off the mound and looked sharp, all things considered. Roger McDowell said they’ll evaluate him on a day-by-day basis, make adjustments to his program when necessary, etc…..
Scribe, I’m trying to remember how long ago it was that we stopped using that -30-. Probably when we stopped filing stories via couplers with the old Radio Shack “Trash 80” computers, but not sure….
By Shaun
February 16, 2007 01:36 PM | Link to this
Because of the 136 years of tradition instilled within the oldest professional sports franchise in America from Tommy Bond to John Smoltz. The 12 NL pennants prior to the inception of the American League and WS. The 3 WS titles in 3 different US cities. 14 consecutive Division Titles. Including 5 NL Pennants and a WS title. The over all 15 titles for best in Best Ball this franchise owns. To put it simply, because we are the Braves.
…like that spirit! But all that tradition didn’t seem to help in the 1970’s and most of the 1980’s.
By MBATL
February 16, 2007 01:49 PM | Link to this
ssiscribe - yeah, it’s been 15 years (or more…God!) since I “did” any journalism, and kinda enjoyed seeing the -30-. Brought back memories. Also used to do paste-up page layout - man, what a PITA that was. I’ve long since moved on to other endeavors, but would guess that’s pretty much a lost art, what with these newfangled computers and all.
btw, are you actively writing for anyone? I enjoy your posts and wonder if you’re a “pro” with any publications or web sites.
By Don't drink and type
February 16, 2007 01:49 PM | Link to this
Trash 80s were cool, but I don’t think you could use one to post on a Web log.
By former scout
February 16, 2007 01:52 PM | Link to this
To be a successful major league pitcher, Davies is going to need nearly perfect control. His fastball does not have the movement needed to get ML hitters out, and he certainly can’t overpower them. Chuck James will be a consistent winner because of movement and control, and in my view, Cormier is more likely to be the 5th starter. Villareal may also compete strongly for that spot.
By TennesseePaul
February 16, 2007 01:53 PM | Link to this
But all that tradition didn’t seem to help in the 1970’s and most of the 1980’s.
Minor issues which only helped give the team character and a proper sense. We’re still the Braves and we’re still gonna win this year.
GO BRAVES!!
By Robert
February 16, 2007 02:03 PM | Link to this
“Bobby brayed about Hudson’s mound session today, said he’s throwing great”
LOL - That’s extrememly informative DOB. I mean, Cox raving about a Bravey.
Did you expect anything else? Cox raves about anything put in front of his snout. Last year, how many times did he tell us Reitsma was throwing great?
Telling us what that stupid son-of-a-b*** “thinks” about anything is a total waste of blog space.
By choppinmama
February 16, 2007 02:06 PM | Link to this
DOB: I’m savoring your every word from FL.
RE: Matt Harrison, he received the Phil Niekro Award from the Braves 400 Club a couple of weeks ago as the Outstanding Braves Minor League Pitcher of 2006. To quote the program: “In the Braves minor league system, he has a 30-20 record with a 3.45 ERA. In 2006, he was 8-4 in Myrtle Beach and 3-4 with Mississippi. Baseball America ranked him as the seventh best prospect in the Carolina League after the 2006 season. He was MS Pitcher of the Month in August.”
Keep us posted on his ST progress.
By Shaun
February 16, 2007 02:08 PM | Link to this
former scout,
Davies’s fastball doesn’t have the movement to get major league hitters out? Why was his K rate fairly high throughout his minor league and so far in his major league career?
By Don't drink and type
February 16, 2007 02:09 PM | Link to this
Robert, maybe you shouldn’t drink bile and type. It spews. Good point. Cox does rave about his guys. That’s why they play so hard for him. By the way, I’ll let you in on a little secret. Ssshh. Don’t tell anybody. Cox is the best manager ever.
Resume evacuating your bile all over this Web log.
By Arkansas Hillbilly
February 16, 2007 02:10 PM | Link to this
That’s the swagger I like to see 10Paul. Very nicely done…..
By The Essence of Taste and Culture
February 16, 2007 02:11 PM | Link to this
As we bask in the dying embers of another Valentine’s Day passed, and knowing Mr. O’Brien’s love of music, I would like to break from all of this baseball chatter for just a moment in order to make note of what are, undoubtably, the five most romantic songs in the history of humankind.
In no particular order:
“The Jack” by AC/DC
“Back That Thing Up” by Juvenile
“The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald” by Gordon Lightfoot
“Women I’ve Never Had” by Hank Williams Jr.
“Bite It, You Scum” by GG Allin and the Murder Junkies
By Shaun
February 16, 2007 02:13 PM | Link to this
Robert,
You are such a pleasant human being.
I would much rather have a manager that says “You know our pitchers have a lot of work to do. Hudson completely disappointed me last year.”
God forbid a manager try to stay positive, especially the first day of Spring Training.
By Novice Ned
February 16, 2007 02:15 PM | Link to this
DOB, what’s the health (injury) report on Stockman, Boyer and Foster going into camp? Maybe I missed it, but I don’t recall seeing anything about Foster in months.
By daniel
February 16, 2007 02:16 PM | Link to this
I’m not looking at the stats, but I seem to remember Villareal and Cormier giving us some quaility starts in September, even when we were holding on to wild card hopes. Those were big innings from those guys and I wouldn’t be scared to see either of them starting in the 5th spot. Davies seems to have better stuff, so we’ll hope for the best. But if Cormier or Villareal got a few starts I wouldn’t be too upset.
By Alan
February 16, 2007 02:16 PM | Link to this
Thanks, DOB, for the post. Sorry the weather’s so cool at Dark Star, but at least you’re not in the “Great Northeast” where the temp is hovering around 0 and we’re still digging out after a 2-day snow-and-ice-storm. Anyway, any baseball news is terrific and appreciated. As for Davies, he really should just go out and pitch - “trust my stuff,” as he says. He can be as good a #5 starter as anyone in the game, and it’ll be great if he is. But, if not, it’s not the end of the world - his or the Braves’. He has minor-league options and Cormier has shown he’s quite capable. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again now: the Braves’ pitching - starting and relieving - will be fine.
By daniel
February 16, 2007 02:20 PM | Link to this
I seem to remember Villareal and Cormier giving us some quality starts last September when we were still clinging to those slim wild card hopes. Those were big innings, and I wouldn’t mind it too bad if one of those guys came out of camp with a chance to be our 5th guy. Davies seems to have the best stuff of the 3, so I’ll be pulling for him. But I won’t be too worried if Cormier or Villareal wins the spot.
By MGL
February 16, 2007 02:21 PM | Link to this
Robert’s diaper rash must be bothering him again today, he’s whiny again.
By J.M.
February 16, 2007 02:21 PM | Link to this
Devestator, I’m not so much worried about our offense as I am our defense. We lost two Gold Glove-calibur defenders on the right side of our infield. KJ may indeed develop into a good second basemen in much the same way Giles did, but we should probably expect some growing pains. Thorman should be fine at first base, but to expect him to be as polished around the bag as LaRoche was might be asking too much.
The left side of the infield isn’t much better with Edgar and Chipper, both of whom could be considered mediocre to below-average defensively at their respective positions.
The good news is the outfield defense will be very good, especially when Langer is playing left instead of Diaz, and McCann and Pena are solid behind the plate.
The runs will come. Five of our eight projected everyday starters are among the better hitters in the league at their position. But you win championships with pitching and defense. I think we have the pitching, but the defense scares me a little bit.
By ssiscribe
February 16, 2007 02:23 PM | Link to this
MBATL, I actually did paste up way back in my teenage days, exacto knifes and the like. Used a couplers a few times here and there, praying the connection (and the stack of quarters) didn’t run out on me. Today’s scribes have it easy, indeed.
Now, baseball (a transtion, and a nod to Journalist Jimmy, whereever he may be): Regardless of what the one Cox basher has to say on here, it’s good to hear positive feedback on Hudson and Hampton from today. And I’m excited to see young Matt Harrison, who probably is a year away, but still seems like he’s got the tools to become a good one.
Time to write. Later.
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By KC
February 16, 2007 02:24 PM | Link to this
Robert: “Telling us what that stupid son-of-a-b* “thinks” about anything is a total waste of blog space.”
No offense, but it’s funny to hear you talking about wasting blog space.
And… repeating the same damn Bobby Cox putdowns you’ve been chanting for months - even though no one wants to hear it - isn’t wasting blog space?
By Adam
February 16, 2007 02:27 PM | Link to this
Robert -
We get it, you don’t like Bobby Cox. Move on already. You sound like that fan in Major League 2 that is always negative about the team.
By Shaun
February 16, 2007 02:35 PM | Link to this
Leave Robert alone. He’s obviously either been a major league manager, scout, executive or has done very extensive research on managers, given all his valid reasoning for Cox being a bad manager. He’s convinced me with his savvy arguments. He’s obviously an expert on the subject.
By Mackey Sasser
February 16, 2007 02:39 PM | Link to this
Robert,
I think you’re really on to something about Bobby. Please write a book about it. It should take you until sometime next November. Until then, focus your energy on that. Naturally, you’ll want to quit posting on the blog until then.
By ernesto
February 16, 2007 02:45 PM | Link to this
Robert’s trumpet is capable of producing only one shrill note - but that ain’t gonna stop him from blowing.
By TennesseePaul
February 16, 2007 02:49 PM | Link to this
DOB: Thanks for including the thoughts of the Manager. It’s always good to hear what the greatest manager in history thinks about his players. I’d love an entire Blog deticated to this one topic. Might want to make it a week long, or even season long series so as to leave no stone unturned. Keep up the good work.
GO BRAVES
By RC
February 16, 2007 03:00 PM | Link to this
J.M.- I understand your concern about the right side of the infield, but how can you consider Marcus Giles “gold glove caliber” and in the same paragraph call Renteria “mediocre to below-average”? Renteria is at worst a good fielding shortsstop, and he has the 2 Gold Gloves to prove it. Giles is at best an “average” fielding 2nd baseman, and I’d argue below that.
By KC
February 16, 2007 03:13 PM | Link to this
RC and JM: To add to the Renteria topic… Edgar had the second best fielding percentage of his career (over a full play-everyday season) last year. His fielding % was actually better than one of the years in which he won a gold glove.
RC, I will disagree slightly with you on Giles. Marcus has worked hard to become a good infielder… and he is (definitely above average to say the least). But he’s not quite as good a second baseman as Renteria is a Shortstop.
By David O'Brien
February 16, 2007 03:15 PM | Link to this
Essence of Taste, one other song that would fit well on your list: “Put ‘Em on the Glass,” by Sir Mix-A-Lot….
NOVICE NED, you haven’t seen anything about Foster because he was dropped from the roster after the season. He’s no longer with the Braves. Don’t know if he signed with anyone or not.
I wrote yesterday that Stockman had ‘scope surgery on his hamstring at end of january when it wouldn’t heal, and they removed calcification from around the tendon that had been pulled off the bone. He said it feels great now and he’ll be throwing off mound soon. Braves think he could be a factor in race for last bullpen spots. Boyer is healthy and doing full schedule of work. If he stays healthy, he’ll compete for a spot, too.
By David O'Brien
February 16, 2007 03:20 PM | Link to this
By the way, while I’m thinking about it, I was wrong on Cormier and options. He’s got one left, so they can send him down if they wanted to.
Guys COMPETING FOR SPOTS who are OUT OF OPTIONS:
Aybar, Langerhans, RHP Tyler Yates, RHP Jonathan Johnson.
Thorman’s out of options, too, not that that’s really relevent at this point.
A few key guys NOT OUT OF OPTIONS: Diaz, Kelly Johnson, Cormier.
By RC
February 16, 2007 03:40 PM | Link to this
KC - I agree with you on Giles. I was a little too harsh in my original assesment…just wanted to make the point he’s not close to a “Gold Glove” level player.
By Shaun
February 16, 2007 03:41 PM | Link to this
TennesseePaul,
Would be interesting to do something on Cox. Maybe get the views of players, execs, other managers, coaches, journalist, researchers, fans…just compile a list of opinions on Cox. Would be fun to see.
By DonCoburleone
February 16, 2007 03:43 PM | Link to this
Davies Davies Davies, hmmm… This is what my gut tells me: This guy is never going to live up to expectations and will be lucky if he ever matches the “success” of a Jason Marquis.
I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again until someone gives me some type of an answer… What made this guy such a hot prospect to begin with? From what I’ve seen of him, he doesn’t have overpowering stuff, great control, multiple pitches, or a deceptive delivery… So what made people within the Braves organization so high on him originally? DOB a little help? Anyone???
By MBATL
February 16, 2007 03:48 PM | Link to this
DOB, I’m completly confused on the options rule now, and will never speculate about it again. Thanks for that update.
By DonCoburleone
February 16, 2007 03:49 PM | Link to this
Is Davies out of options DOB?
By Robert
February 16, 2007 03:55 PM | Link to this
There is nothing wrong with a manager being supportive about his players, on the first day of spring traing or on any other day
But just realize that Cox “raving” about someone is nothing more than him deciding to be supprotive. It means ZERO as far as whether that player actually looked good, or threw well, or has any baseball talent whatsoever
The problem with reporting this stuff is that there may be some people out there who think that Cox “raving” means something as regards baseball ability
Cox “raving” is the same as Cox “ranting” at umpires. He doesnt do it because the balls and strikes are actually being called wrong, but because in his world, every pitch TO a Brave should be called a ball and every pitch BY the Brave should be called a strike.
Somebody pulls the string and the donkey wiggles his ears and brays out (__ey is looking good). Pull the string again and the donkey kicks his back legs, turns red in the face, and cusses the umpires.
Dont tell us what Cox says, because he has nothing intelligent or meaningful or insightful to say
Still, being supportive is ok. Dress him up in a pretty skirt, give him pom-poms, shoe him, and let him lead the cheers. Just get his stupid a* out of the dugout and stop his involvement in game decision making
By Shaun
February 16, 2007 03:57 PM | Link to this
DonCoburleone,
What made him such a hot prospect?
8.97 K/9, 3.2 BB/9 and 0.56 HR/9. A high K rate is the best indicator of future success. The BB rate isn’t outstanding but isn’t bad when compared to his K rate.
Plus his windup and delivery are textbook, which probably would lead many to believe he’s not going to put much strain on his arm. And so far he hasn’t had any major arm injuries that I know of.
…so, there you go.
By Shaun
February 16, 2007 04:02 PM | Link to this
MBATL,
If you are into video games play All Star Baseball on xbox or PS2 or something. The franchise mode will teach you a lot about options and that sort of thing. I like the ‘04 version the best. Kind of an old game, but the most realistic franchise mode.
By Alan
February 16, 2007 04:02 PM | Link to this
DonCoburleone, here’s the one key word that separates Davies from Marquis: ATTITUDE. Marquis basically thought his sh*t was ice cream and he was stubborn as a mule (or donkey, for Robert’s benefit). Apparently he never sought advice from his “peers” (actually his “supeers”) - guys named Maddux, Glavine, Millwood - and constantly butted heads with Leo Mazzone. He probably butted heads with Dave Duncan in St. Louis, too. By all accounts, Davies is humble and agreeable and teachable - and he has really good stuff. He’s going to be a very good major league pitcher - if not this year, then very soon thereafter.
By Drew
February 16, 2007 04:02 PM | Link to this
Hey DOB, what is Orr’s situation? I think I remember you posting taht he was out of options, but I just wanted to check.
By Robert
February 16, 2007 04:03 PM | Link to this
“Would be interesting to do something on Cox. Maybe get the views of players, execs, other managers, coaches, journalist, researchers, fans…just compile a list of opinions on Cox. Would be fun to see.”
What would be REVEALING (as opposed to fun) would be to get the opinions they express in public and contrast them with what they think in private.
Remember - remember how the Braves always gave lip service to division competiution every spring but for years werent really worried about it.
Folks, same thing with Cox - It would not serve the purposes of any person or entity in baseball to openly ridicule Cox the way they do in private. If you’re a Brave and you cross the Donk, you are G-O-N-E. If you’re a non-Brave and you mock the Donk, you risk firing up the Braves - why do that when it’s best to praise them and their manager and walk all over them in the postseason as they sleepwalk thru the playoffs again?
If I told you that I KNOW, for a FACT, that members of the 96 Yankees were mocking Cox and the Braves in the dugout, even when they were behind in the Series - you wouldnt believe me, but it wouldnt make it not true
And DOB - you can ask them and OF COURSE they’ll deny it.
I havent played in the bigs, or coached there, or scouted. But I am in a poker group that was lucky enough to have an ex-bit part major leaguer in the group - the stories he told - the stuff noone tells the media cuz nothing would come of it but grief
Y’all dont have to believe it.
But please dont tell me that ANYONE (even Cox himself) is dumb enough to think the guy is the best manager ever
By Robert
February 16, 2007 04:05 PM | Link to this
“A high K rate is the best indicator of future success”
Nope. A high K/BB ratio is the best indicator of future success
By TennesseePaul
February 16, 2007 04:09 PM | Link to this
Kyle Davies:
In 2004: Ranked in the top 10 in six different pitching categories among all Braves minor leaguers innings pitched (5th, 142.1), strikeouts (1st, 173), ERA (6th, 2.72), WHIP (4th, 1.10) and opposing batting average (4th, .204)…Named as the Phil Niekro Award winner as the top pitcher in the Braves’ system by the 400 Club…Was selected to the Baseball America’s minor league All-Star 2nd team and also named as the eighth-best prospect in the Southern League and fifth-best prospect in the Carolina League by Baseball America…Earned Most Valuable Pitcher honors for the Myrtle Beach (A) Pelicans, collecting nine victories in 14 games started and posting a 2.63 ERA …Selected Carolina League April and June Pitcher of the Month and honored as the Southern League August Pitcher of the Month…Was named Southern League Pitcher of the Week for the week ending 7/1.
In 6 minor league seasons compiled the following record:
W L ERA SO BB IP
39 20 2.91 526 188 528
Averaged just about 1 K per inning. Had a pretty good K/BB ratio just under Cole Hamels ratio.
In first three games at the Top level he was 2-1 with a 0.77 ERA. Injured his groin last season and suffered as a result.
For comparison as to how little he has pitched and how little that really reflects his future:
6-14 5.61 ERA. That was Maddux’s first full season up. He turned out alright. Not saying Davies is the next Maddux, just saying you need a little more patience. By the way, Davies has better minor league numbers than Maddux.
By Don't drink and type
February 16, 2007 04:10 PM | Link to this
I, Don’t drink and type, do solemnly swear before all gathered witnesses that, yes, I do indeed believe that Bobby Cox is the best manager ever.
Anybody back me up on that on this here Web log?
By rammerjammer
February 16, 2007 04:10 PM | Link to this
There once was a blogger named Robert.
Whose opinions were regularly clobbered.
He wasn’t real bright.
His writing was a sight.
And we wondered why he even bothered.
By MBATL
February 16, 2007 04:17 PM | Link to this
Shaun, thanks. I don’t really play video games (I design websites and manage data all day, and that’s enough in front of the screen, except of course for Braves blogging), but I’ll keep it in mind.
Robert, if you made real arguments about why Cox hasn’t won more WS, or why he’s a poor manager, there would be something to talk about.
But criticizing Cox for being positive on the first freakin’ day of spring training, when guys aren’t even facing live hitting… that’s just petty.
I think the Cox argument is good fodder for discussion when there’s no other Braves news to talk about (and now is not that time), but your criticisms are so absurd and overstated that there’s really nothing to argue.
By Braves1us
February 16, 2007 04:17 PM | Link to this
DB,
Quick question… maybe I’m way out of the loop or it’s quite possible I simply forgot… but, whatever happened to Death Ray?
By Robert
February 16, 2007 04:20 PM | Link to this
“I, Don’t drink and type, do solemnly swear before all gathered witnesses that, yes, I do indeed believe that Bobby Cox is the best manager ever.
Anybody back me up on that on this here Web log?”
You’re proud to scream out from the rooftops that you are dumb as rocks.
LOL - you know, somehow that makes sense. After all, if you knew that being dumb as rocks wasnt something to be proud of, you wouldnt be so dumb - but you are, so you do
I have a solution. Start rooting for another team and convince them to hire Cox away from the Braves. Everyone (except for this other team’s other fans, owners, employees, and players) would be happy
By MGL
February 16, 2007 04:21 PM | Link to this
Robert - Dont tell us what Cox says, because he has nothing intelligent or meaningful or insightful to say - How about just speaking for yourself, I for one am quite interested in what Cox has to say.
By TennesseePaul
February 16, 2007 04:24 PM | Link to this
Death Ray is with the Royals I believe. I think Dayton picked him up again…. He could do well over there now that he has a full season under hist belt and didn’t spend the last 18 months pitching non stop. Plus, the lack of preasure in KC has to do something.
By tampapete
February 16, 2007 04:24 PM | Link to this
I can’t argue Bobby is ONE of the best ever, but I don’t think you can say THE best ever. Too many goods ones - with more rings.
What you can state definitively is there probably has never been a manager is more respected by his players. I’m sure (Robert) that not all of his ex or current players enjoyed playing for him, but it appears as if the vast majority have enjoyed the experience.
My opinion is the tandem of Bobby and John S. is the best ever. Who knows how the last 16 years would have played out if they didn’t work together?
By TennesseePaul
February 16, 2007 04:25 PM | Link to this
DD&T see 2:49. Just wait around a while… You’ll get your answer.
By Robert
February 16, 2007 04:27 PM | Link to this
“But criticizing Cox for being positive on the first freakin’ day of spring training, when guys aren’t even facing live hitting… that’s just petty”
I am NOT criticizing Cox for being positive on the first day of spring training
I was questioning, or criticizing, or whatever you want to call it - DOB, for REPORTING it - because Cox being positive is MEANINGLESS
Say a name, pull the cord and the donkey wiggles his ears and says something positive about __ey
DOB shouldve just given it to us untranslated. For example, he could’ve said
“Today was reporting day for pitchers and catchers. Most everyone was there, the notable exception being Sosa, who is experiencing Visa problems. Most of the pitchers participated in a light workout, and several regulars who have reported early took part in informal workouts. Many players also interacted with fans, chatting and signing autographs for the hardy souls who came out on this unseasonably chilly day in central Florida. I talked to Cox and he said “Hee-Haw”
There - says everything and doesnt mislead the reader
By Wayne in UT
February 16, 2007 04:27 PM | Link to this
Robert didn’t get enough hugs when he was a little Bobby. He might just be jealous because he isn’t called “Bobby” anymore?
As for infield defense: Rent-a-SS has a good glove, OK arm, and somewhat limited range (we were spoiled by Furcal all those years). Chipper, for my money is a decent third sacker. Not great, but certainly not a liability. KJ will be OK, or else we will see Prado more. Thorman might just surprise us. If we don’t expect him to be LaRoche reincarnated, we will be OK with him. So, overall, an average infield defense will be OK for backing up our staff. Now, our OF, that’s another story!
Robert, go change your pull-ups. You’ll feel better.
By BB FAN
February 16, 2007 04:28 PM | Link to this
Robert,
It’s kind of ironic that you keep repeating yourself about Bobby Cox. Especially your “Somebody pulls the string” comments. It’s almost as if somebody is pulling your string which is why you turn red in the face, and cuss about Bobby’s managing. Pull the string again and you probably p** and sh!t your pants.
Take your own advice pal: Don’t tell us what you think because you have nothing intelligent, meaningful or insightful to say.
By Robert
February 16, 2007 04:29 PM | Link to this
“I for one am quite interested in what Cox has to say.”
I challenge you to go back and find for me, in any interview, in any game broadcast, or in any conversation that didnt take place in the Cox bedroom, the last time Cox said something that wasnt simply supportive of his team whether backed by the circumstances and evidence or not
When did he last say something that didnt translate as “Hee-Haw”?
By Wayne in UT
February 16, 2007 04:30 PM | Link to this
rammer….great poem
By Don't drink and type
February 16, 2007 04:31 PM | Link to this
L’il Robert, where I come from, what you wrote would be cause for gettin’ your a** whipped. Thank god for the anonymity of cyberspace, huh?
Man I didn’t know rocks could write so well on Web logs.
By dougp
February 16, 2007 04:31 PM | Link to this
Hey, Robert is an expert. He said it himself that he plays poker with a guy who was almost a ballplayer. You know what, I am a government expert, because I knew a guy one time who had a brother that met the first cousin of Ronald Reagan.
By Robert
February 16, 2007 04:32 PM | Link to this
And I should not have capitalized visa - Sosa has document issues, not credit card problems
My Bobby Cox moment for the day
By Wayne in UT
February 16, 2007 04:33 PM | Link to this
What’s wrong with Hee-Haw….
By Don't drink and type
February 16, 2007 04:35 PM | Link to this
Roberts rants, are beginning to have the smell of a small-time sportswriter hack getting his jollies on the big time Web log.
By Wayne in UT
February 16, 2007 04:36 PM | Link to this
DOB What odds would you give us for getting a significant upgrade in LF in the spring?
We might have the parts to pull it off (Baldelli, Rios, Figgins, Markakis, etc) after a couple of weeks this spring.
By RC
February 16, 2007 04:39 PM | Link to this
Robert: You said your “unedited” statement doesn’t mislead the reader, yet you talked about Sosa having visa problems. I’m assuming you mean SORIANO who actual does still pitch for the Braves and have visa problems. To bash someone’s managerial skills while not even knowing a player’s name is pretty pathetic.
By TennesseePaul
February 16, 2007 04:39 PM | Link to this
HA! Wayne you just reminded me of a Seinfeld. Kramer bought a chicken so he could have fresh eggs. But he unknowingly purchased a rooster. He named the rooster “Little Jerry Seinfeld”. He then entered Little Jerry in a c** fight in an attempt to remove a bounced check by Seinfeld. When Seinfeld wanted him to stop fighting the chicken Kramer shot back: “You’re just upset because Little Jerry Seinfeld is doing more with your name than you’ll ever do!”
Oh man that was a good one. George had found the “perfect girlfriend”; a prisoner at the minimum security prison for women. “No pop-in Jerry! I don’t know why I didn’t think of this before.”
By ssiscribe
February 16, 2007 04:40 PM | Link to this
Robert, point of record: It’s Soriano, not Sosa, whose arrival to camp is being delayed. Sosa is with the Mets.
As for the rest of your argument, I’ll kindly read it, and let you have your say. You couldn’t be further off base, but you have the right to express your opinion … and express it … and express it … and express it …
—30—
By TennesseePaul
February 16, 2007 04:44 PM | Link to this
HA! Cockfight was sensored. The security here is so tight you could prick your finger on it. Watch out now!
By jed
February 16, 2007 04:45 PM | Link to this
DOB—will liberty cable add extra money to the payroll this year? i mean, if you buy a team for tax purposes, shouldnt you make nice with braves fans by tossing $10 million into payroll? (nothing wrong with a little PR.) anyway, what do you think odds are on such? when will we know? also, i’d say that if liberty doesnt add at least $5 mil, braves fans should p** & moan them outta town. ya know…show up at games with signs saying “Liberty Cable Sux~! Go Braves!”
By MBATL
February 16, 2007 04:46 PM | Link to this
Robert, since that last post has some substance, and I know you’re not an idiot, just seeking attention:
I remember Cox (modestly) expressing his anger at Kyle Davies last year, when he tore his groin; Davies said after the fact that it had been bothering him for a while; Cox was p.o.’d that Davies hadn’t told the trainers, the pitching coach, anyone, that he was having trouble. (might even be a reason that Cox hasn’t expressed more faith in Davies this year).
He doesn’t generally criticize guys who are trying their best and doing the right things.
I need to know, I guess, what the advantage would be of publicly criticizing players. It diminishes their confidence, and damages the prospects of trading them. But, I guess if it makes you happy, Cox should reconsider that philosophy and just publicly trash guys who are struggling.
As to what DOB reports, I guess he can only report what actually happens. Most of us are happy to hear it.
By Hee-Haw
February 16, 2007 04:47 PM | Link to this
Where O Where are you tonight?
Why did you leave me here all alone?
I searched the world over and thought I found true love,
But you found another and Plhhhhp!
You were gone……
By Head Coach
February 16, 2007 04:52 PM | Link to this
Ken Ray , Odalis Perez and Matt Wright are all in the Royals spring training camp at the moment.
By Arkansas Hillbilly
February 16, 2007 04:53 PM | Link to this
Don’t forget “Love Like This” on your beautiful love songs list Essence of Taste and DOB,
You got me real good, girl,
and I must admit
you pack a pretty mean punch
*for such a purty little b!t(h *
And its a shame to know most folks don’t ever know love like this.
By RC
February 16, 2007 04:53 PM | Link to this
Cox also critized LaRoche on two occasions last year, after the jog to first that cost an out, and the bunt in Florida with the game on the line. He also once yanked a young Andruw Jones from a game for lollygagging on the field.
By jed
February 16, 2007 04:54 PM | Link to this
no, cox never says a negative word to the press. i frankly think it’s smart of him. what’s to be gained by publicly ripping a player? do it in private, or just pull him out of a game like he did with reggie sanders & andruw jones. i actually think the public positivity and the handling of problems in private is what makes him the best regular season manager in the game. he can handle a team over the long haul of 162 games. no small feat there! (note i said “best regular season manager.” say what you wil about him in the post-season. god knows i have…)
By Jim
February 16, 2007 05:21 PM | Link to this
I JUST SAW THIS NEWS FLASH ON ESPN
The Braves today fired their long-time manager Bobby Cox and replaced him with a hitherto unknown by the name of ROBERT. Robert first came to the attention of GM John Schuerholtz on the David O’Brien blog site run by the ajc. Schuerholtz said during the announcement that, “I occaisionally visit this site and became impressed with the astute obervation offered by Robert. I subsequently invited him to my office and was astonished by the breadth and depth of his baseball knowledge.” Schuerholtz added that, “In my 40 odd years associated with the game I have never met anyone with the baseball acumen of Robert. I became convinced during that interview that if Robert were managing the team during the past 15 years we would have won at least three more World Series titles.” Schuerholtz added that he became convinced right then to make the managerial change.
The players already in camp were stunned to hear of the managerial change, but Chipper Jones, commenting for the rest of the team said that he was an ocaisional reader of the ajc blog and understood why the change was necessary and why Robert should be the choice to guide this team in this new situation with the new ownership. Jones remarked, “I have read Robert’s blogs and agree that we would have won three or four more championships if it were not for the blunders of the previous manager. I look forward to playing for Robert and expect that we will be perennial champions, and that this move will ensure my election to the Hall of Fame.”
When Schuerholtz was asked to describe Robert, who was not present at the announcement, he said Robert is rather paunchy elderly gentleman who is hobbled by bad knees. Other people in the room who know Robert described him as a man that has a tendency to pick at his nose during tense moments when the camera might focus in on the manager. Robert’s friends say that the physical resemblance to Bobby Cox is remarkable, so much so that we may expect from time-to-time to hear the radio and TV announcers still refer to Cox when speaking of the manager of the Braves. But Schuerholtz and his few friends in attendance cautioned that we should not be fooled by appearance. “It is Robert who is managing this team!”
Schuerholtz went on to thank Bobby Cox for his long-time association with the Braves Organization, and to thank the former manager for all the success he brought to the team and to the city, but he ended the announcement by reiterating that, “This is Robert’s team now and we all eagerly await to see how this will play out on the field.”
By dougp
February 16, 2007 05:22 PM | Link to this
What’s the name of that big league manager who DOES rip his team in the press and says bad things about them in Spring Training? I bet it was the manager of the team that Roberts, almost made it to the big leagues, poker buddy played for.
By sammy miller
February 16, 2007 05:27 PM | Link to this
Sam yes i am i too eat green eggs and ham!!!
By DonCoburleone
February 16, 2007 05:30 PM | Link to this
“In 6 minor league seasons compiled the following record: W L ERA SO BB IP 39 20 2.91 526 188 528 Averaged just about 1 K per inning. Had a pretty good K/BB ratio just under Cole Hamels ratio.”
Okay, so that is why they thought so highly of him… I don’t know, I just have little faith in him becomming a great pitcher someday. I can’t quite put my finger on it, just something about him doesn’t seem right…
By David O'Brien
February 16, 2007 05:31 PM | Link to this
Wayne, I don’t get a feeling that LF upgrade is in the works this spring. I really don’t hear anything along those lines. Not saying it’s impossible, but just not hearing any indication it’s being pursued at all….
Someone asked about Liberty and payroll. They’ve given no indication, said nothing at all, about which way they’re leaning concerning payroll, or whether they’ve even made any studies of it yet or formed opinions on how best to run the team financially. So I’d rather not speculate on what they’ll do with payroll, other than to say I’d be shocked it they lowered it.
By riprock
February 16, 2007 05:32 PM | Link to this
Who keeps farting? Oh, just Robert posting again.
By Tonight on TBS
February 16, 2007 05:32 PM | Link to this
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