Braves

By AJK

December 31, 2006 04:54 PM | Link to this

DOB: Great end of the year post, and I’m excited to learn that KJ has a shot at being our everyday 2B. I have a lot of confidence in him and think he can contribute in a big way, though I’d prefer the Braves to acquire a true leadoff hitter (what’s up with the Baldelli trade?) and take some of the pressure off him in his 1st full year.

Happy New Year!

By elbravox

December 31, 2006 04:57 PM | Link to this

Happy New Year guys!

By PA Bravefan

December 31, 2006 05:03 PM | Link to this

That is good news. If he can play defensively, we may have a second baseman with pop, and average. I still think JS needs to be working on some seal to get Baldelli, and to try to unload AJ for a lot of top prospects. We will not resign him! I hate for him to go but next year Smoltz will also be a Free agent and it makes me sick to think we might not keep him!!

By Andy from Norcross

December 31, 2006 05:13 PM | Link to this

DOB,

What is the status on the Baldelli deal? Is that dead? Do you foresee any more moves for the Braves? Did you hear anymore with negotiations with the Rays? Were they insistent that we include James? Lastly, DOB, what have you heard about Liberty buying the Braves? Is that still on? Does Blank have a chance? The rumors have gone on forever.

By JSH

December 31, 2006 05:13 PM | Link to this

You’ve got to admit - in this market where JD Drew can get $70M offers … there’s a good probability that a team might get LESS than 20/100 for that price.

By Alex

December 31, 2006 05:15 PM | Link to this

Over 20 home runs, 100 RBIs = $70 million?

Oh, my. Don’t ever let anyone tell you that some baseball players are detached from the real word.

That’s actually J.D. Drew’s numbers from last year, and the value of the contract he just signed.

By Jared

December 31, 2006 05:18 PM | Link to this

Some random thoughts:

I hope Kelly Johnson can be the Braves’ primary second baseman.

What is with the ongoing Rocco Baldelli obsession? No one here was even talking about him at all, even mentioned him, until that story on the Braves’ official site about two weeks ago. Now it’s non-stop Baldelli talk. He is not that special and he won’t be a Brave. Trading Davies or James for him is not a wise move, in my opinion.

I still think the Braves need another bullpen piece. I trust Soriano, but it’s possible he could be hurt or something. Mike Gonzalez would be a perfect fit, and I’d get him even if it meant getting rid of LaRoche, whom I really like. I liked LaRoche long before he got hot in the second half of 2006, I felt like the only one at the time.

I’m disappointed at what Schuerholz has done, or in this case hasn’t done. What he has done is great, but with all the talk about pitching when the offseason started, I don’t like his one pitching-related move (Ramirez for Soriano), while good, doesn’t live up to all his talk.

Happy New Year everybody.

By MBATL

December 31, 2006 05:34 PM | Link to this

Jared, JS also signed Wickman for ‘07… so we’ve added two strong relievers this offseason. What exactly SHOULD JS have done by now?

Really too bad about Reitsma. Everything I’ve heard is like what you said, DOB, a great guy. And he had good stuff. Injuries, head problems, wrongly used (he was a middle reliever, not a closer, in my opinion) … who knows. He was a good pickup when we got him, but just didn’t work out.

By John Adcox

December 31, 2006 05:39 PM | Link to this

I think the Rocco Baldelli obsession has more to do with 2008 than 2007, not that I’d be disappointed to have hom out there now. But frankly, I like Johnson a lot. He entertains me (there’s that word again) the way Marcus Giles did, and I like to root for him. He’s the kind of player that makes me glad I bought a ticket.

Wow.

That story about the, er, rearend hole (what can I say on a family site?) in truck was a kick in the gut. I am a native Atlantan, and that kind of stuff just embarasses the heck out of me. This is the gracious, polite south, folks. Leave that behavior to our estranged brothers in Shea. Jeez.

DOB, if you ever happen to run into Chris Reitsma again, please apologize on my behalf. I very sincerely wish him well.

John

By David O'Brien

December 31, 2006 05:41 PM | Link to this

Andy, sorry but you’re asking a lot of questions that are almost impossible to answer. Haven’t heard a word about the Baldelli matter in a week, from either team (most teams pretty well shut things down during the Christmas/New Year’s week).

Tim Tucker has handled the sale story since Day 1, and frankly I’ve gotten numb to the updates just like most of you probably have. He’s trying hard to make sure we have any new development, but it’s just moved as such a glacial pace, with so very little bit of info coming out of any of the parties, and LIberty not willing to make any comments whatsoever. That’s just the way it is, a very complicated business decision involving mind-numbing tax matters and the like.

I haven’t heard any indication that Blank is back in the bidding, or that it’s been opened back up at all.

Although considering the way the Falcons have gone for two seasons, I could certainly see why he’d want to further diversify his sports holding (that’s just me offering a smart-a#@ comment. kidding. sort of.)

By Jared

December 31, 2006 05:49 PM | Link to this

I’m aware of that, MBATL. But all of John Schuerholz’s “focus on the pitching” talk came in early October, when the Braves’ offseason began. So all his talk came after Bob Wickman was locked up for 2007.

As for what he could have done, I don’t really know. I’m not the general manager, I don’t know what talks have been going on. But the Pirates were going to the Braves Mike Gonzalez, so that is one possible move.

By Eric

December 31, 2006 05:49 PM | Link to this

Johnson at 2B, given his work with Hubbard, will be “servicable.” Seeing as how that same term was used for Thorman in LaRoche rumors, I can live with it. Him (or any of the Startig 2B wanna-be’s) batting leadoff is yet another question mark.. The bullpen will be just fine. I think the young guys will benefit with Wickman out there just as young guys did with Smoltz years before. Baldelli is not going to happen, and doesn’t need to happen. TB won’t let any of them go for anything less than a Chuck James - and we don’t need to give him up. Besides, I live in Tampa and can tell you he’s a little over-hyped. Happy New Year.

By Ken Stallings

December 31, 2006 05:52 PM | Link to this

Whoever was driving that pickup was a loser in the first degree — to say that with his young daughter present — what a jerk! I pity people who cannot separate sports from reality like that.

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

December 31, 2006 06:08 PM | Link to this

I think if Johnson can handle the job defensively that he should get the nod. He can hit and is more than patient enough to be a leadoff hitter, if someone else can’t be acquired. I would rather have Johnson at 2nd than getting Castillo. I really think JS should pull the trigger on a LaRoche for Gonzales deal. See if the Pirates would throw in Gorzelany and if not go ahead and take McLouth. Gonzales would bring so much to the bullpen and make it the best in the NL. Think about how many times last year that leads get blown, ties were lost, and one run deficits turned into five run deficits and the game was over. A lot of those times didn’t happen in the 9th inning but the 7th and 8th innings. Yes, LaRoche’s offense will be missed but Thorman would be a suitable replacement who can at least get close to that type of production. Besides what does scoring tons of runs mean if you can’t keep the other team from scoring more.

Also, surely all things that went wrong in 2006 can go wrong in 2007. I know Mets fans will call it excuses but what I’m about to say are facts. The Braves had four regualar position players spend time on the DL. Langerhans played the majority of the season with a broken bone in his hand. Aybar had a broken bone in his hand, as well. The last month and a half Andruw was not really healthy nor was Francoeur if truth be told. Two-fifths of the opening day rotation spent more time on the DL than it ever did on the mound. The sixth starter, John Thomson spent the entire second half of the season on the DL and was hurt the entire first half. Chuck James was hurt a good part of the first half of the season and was only in the rotation for what amounted to two months. Blaine Boyer and John Foster, both of whom were being counted on heavily to contribute to the bullpen were hurt before the season ever started. Those may sound like excuses but they are simply facts. And before anyone says that all teams have injuries, check to see how many games potentially played the Braves lost to injury compared to other teams in the NL and then tell me if this team was ever at optimal level.

By journalist jimmy smtih

December 31, 2006 06:18 PM | Link to this

let’s see … kj is working with hubbard to learn to play the position as well as he can - and prado and aybar still figure in with orr - and orr is working with mccann’s daddy to learn to put the bat on the ball - and pena jr is odd man out because he cannot strike the ball. woodward, as far as we know is super utility … backing up at ss and 3b and all o.f. positions - and no one else fits that bill. prado can play two positions as can orr and aybar can play three. that’s too many players. somebody’s got to go.

By Alan

December 31, 2006 06:29 PM | Link to this

Great post, as always, DOB. Thanks for keeping us Braves junkies informed. I, for one, am sorry to see Reitsma go. I was at Disney (DOB’s evil empire) in March of ‘04, less than a week after the Braves acquired Reitsma, and I saw him pitch in a spring training game. He looked really, really good that day and he went on to have a good season. I believe he set a franchise record for appearances that year. Anyway, I wish him well wherever he lands. It wouldn’t surprise me if it’s back in Cincy, but I hope it’s in the AL. As for KJ, I wish him well, too. I kind of think he’ll end up platooning with Prado unless the Braves make a trade or pick up a free agent such as Mark Loretta. I’m also amused by all the Baldelli blather - I read on another site today that the entire Devil Rays’ outfield has been the subject of trade rumors - maybe something will happen, but I wouldn’t hold my breath. Get used to Andruw hanging around in ‘07 - which is a very good thing IMO - especially if all of think the Braves will be a serious contender. That’s not likely if AJ is elsewhere. Happy New Year, everyone.

By Spider29

December 31, 2006 06:33 PM | Link to this

I, for one, wish Reitsma well. Contrary to what most people think of him he did a good job as a set-up man. He tried to do the job that was asked of him in the closer role. It just didn’t work. Then the injury prevented him from helping the team in any way. Hopefully the Braves fans will be classy in their reaction to him in the future. I’m looking forward to seeing what Kelly Johnson can do at second. He should help us this coming season.

By David O'Brien

December 31, 2006 06:38 PM | Link to this

Alan, speaking of spring training, do you realize it’s only 6-1/2 weeks until pitchers and catchers report to Lake Buena Dark Star?

By Alan

December 31, 2006 07:04 PM | Link to this

DOB, I wish I could join you at Lake Buena Dark Star this winter. Alas, I live in northeast PA and “they” don’t let me out much. I’ve been to Dark Star twice and it’s great fun. And the Braves have won every game I’ve attended, including a “thriller” over the Dodgers when young Adam LaRoche hit a grand slam in the 9th off some unknown Dodgers’ phenom. I know you’ll never admit it, but you have fun during Spring Training, too. Who wouldn’t? Oh, that spring of ‘04 was when Gary Matthews, Jr., played himself out of a Braves uniform. I think he was cut (in favor of Damon Hollins and DeWayne Wise) the day after I saw him play. Now he’s a multi-millionaire. Ain’t America great? BTW, GM’s dad (a former Brave, of course, and one of my all-time favorites) was recently hired by the Phillies to join their broadcast team.

By David O'Brien

December 31, 2006 07:10 PM | Link to this

Alan, yes, I definitely enjoy most everything about spring training. Just not where the Braves have theirs. But that’s alright. At least the weather’s nice.

Yes, how ‘bout Matthews Jr.? From not being able to beat out DeWayne Wise for a job in spring ‘04 to a $50 mill contract less than three years later. Amazing.

By br618

December 31, 2006 07:18 PM | Link to this

in defense of chipper, i worked as a stringer in columbus and saw him field a ball on the second base side of the outfield grass and get a throwing error, i saw him charged with other questionable errors during that year too.

By Mandolin

December 31, 2006 07:33 PM | Link to this

I worked as a stripper in columbus, too, and saw quite a lot of Chipper. You are right about the questionable errors.

By Jared

December 31, 2006 07:37 PM | Link to this

Why is Disney the evil empire?

I’ve never been to Disney world/land by the way, so I’m neutral.

By Dawgs2006

December 31, 2006 07:45 PM | Link to this

Thank God! It is about a year too late. Good Ridance, Loser!

By Don Williamson

December 31, 2006 08:14 PM | Link to this

I’ve been a constant fan of the Braves since 1982, and I wish 750 AM Radio would carry them again. I am a former minor leaguer and all american and am on the road much of the time during game time and can’t keep up with those 5000 watt stations. I used to hear the games all over the southeast. As a former middle infielder I vote for Kelly Johnson, I LIKE HIM.

By Steve Skelton

December 31, 2006 08:15 PM | Link to this

Dawgs2006 is a fine example of what is WRONG with UGA fans (great comeback last night by the way…). Show some class there buddy. Reitsma is a class act that had a very rough year for us last year. We don’t need to be bashing the guy. If you can do a better job, why don’t you go down there and try out or see if they’ll invite you to Spring Training. Whoever that was that had the complete lack of class to insult Reitsma in front of his own child should be ashamed of himself. Was it you ‘06? Sounds like it might have been a friend of yours!! REAL sports fans support their teams and their players in both good and bad times.

By MGL

December 31, 2006 08:36 PM | Link to this

I live in the Orlando area, and “evil empire” is a perfect term for the Disneyworld area. The combination of traffic, jacked-up prices for everything, and tourists that don’t know where they are or are going makes the whole area a disaster. One of my daughters is a “cast member” at Disney and they treat their people like crap, pay as little as possible, and charge as much as they can for everything. While this is worst case, a one-day “park-hopper” ticket that allows you to go anywhere is now $107. Some of you complain about MLB prices etc. They learned it from Disney. The more you charge, the more people think that they have to come. “Evil Empire” is perfect!!

By ssiscribe

December 31, 2006 08:55 PM | Link to this

Ah, Dark Star. Good times the past three years down there, including meeting Chris Reitsma his first day with the Bravos back in March 2004. Nice guy. Cincy would be a good place for him to go. I hope he turns it around.

Interesting news on Kelly Johnson. Personally, I’d not considered him too seriously for second base, but I love his swing and think he can develop into a great hitter. And a good point about him watching last year while being hurt: sometimes, when young players struggle, watching from the bench can help a player break out of a slump. Nobody wants to watch an entire season, but maybe Johnson observed enough to avoid the streaks we saw from him in 2005.

OK, off I go. Happy New Year everybody. All the Scribes (Momma Scribe, Little Scribe and Baby Scribe) wish DOB and the denzines a prosperous and blessed 2007. May the last week of October be special for us all, topped off with a party on Peachtree (of course, if the Thrashers wanna give us an excuse to party say, the third week of June, that’d be fine by me, as well).

The Scribe abides. Peace.

—30—

By KC

December 31, 2006 08:57 PM | Link to this

In the previous blog, DOB wrote: “I’d just be willing to bet you that, entering the season, few national prognosticators would have the Braves atop their NL power rankings. That’s all I’m saying. Only one I’ve seen so far is Baseball Weekly (for what it’s worth, they have them 8th in the NL and fourth in the NL East, as of right now).”

DOB, I’m sure only a small percentage of baseball media types will place the Braves at or even near the top of their power rankings heading into the season… but 4th in the division??? Wow! That one floors me.

The problem with some “objective” observers is that they’re often very casual observers. In other words, they’re not paying much attention.

There will be many who will look at the Braves and say “A 79 win ball-team plus Rafael Soriano doesn’t equal a 90-100 win team, and they would be absolutely correct if that premise were accurate.

I’m guessing that the person who ranked the Braves 4th in their division next year must feel that Hudson will not fare much better next season, that Hampton will be a complete non-factor, and that the Braves middle relief will still be very shaky up to the 8th/9th innings. Any of those things could well be the case next year, but I think all are at the very least, somewhat unlikely.

There are numerous things I’ll bet the particular prognosticator you referenced has failed to realize. First, that if the Braves had Wickman and Soriano in their pen from day-1 last year… they would be coming off a 90-plus win season and a 15th consecutive post-season berth (Wild Card).

The second thing I’m sure he didn’t notice is that the Braves middle relief situation (not just the 8th and 9th) looks very promising. The 5 (likely) returning members of last year’s bullpen: Wickman, Yates, McBride, Villarreal, and Paronto posted a combined ERA of 2.31 in the month of September to end the season. Now normally, I might look at that and think “big deal, it’s one month”. But I believe the way McBride, Yates, and Villarreal finished the season is of particular significance, because I it seems to me that they used the 2006 season to establish themselves (or re-establish in Villarreal’s case). I believe they will carry those improvements with them into the 07’ season. Add Soriano, and the return of a good young arm in Blaine Boyer back into the mix… and I think the Braves pen looks fantastic heading into 07’. Add another quality lefty, and it’ll look even more fantastic, but wouldn’t you agree that the Braves pen already looks solid?

The third thing I’m sure he’s not taking into consideration at all, is the 18 month thing with Hampton. As you know, there is a huge difference between returning after 18 months vs. only 12… but I’ll bet real money that this factor is nowhere on his radar. If you’re going to rank a team with a great offense, solid bullpen, as well as a rotation that also includes Smoltz, Hudson, and James, fourth in their division… you must expect them to get absolutely nothing from Hampton this season. Even then, 4th is difficult to imagine.

I’ve said it many times, and I don’t mean to beat a dead horse… but it all comes down to Hudson and Hampton. If you expect good things from them, then I think it makes perfect sense to place them atop your NL power rankings heading into 07’. If not, well maybe you pick the Braves to finish 2nd… maybe even 3rd (if nothing pans out as planned for Atlanta). But 4th????

By brian

December 31, 2006 09:22 PM | Link to this

DOB - nothing on the Andruw Jones front I assume after Boras put his finishing touches on that abdsurd contract Barry Zito signed? If he can get that for Zito I can only imagine what he is planning for Andruw.(actually I don’t think I have that big of an imagination)

By Jim

December 31, 2006 09:37 PM | Link to this

Dear David and John (Scheurholz),

Don’t tell me how good Kelly Johnson is going to be as our 2B and leadoff hitter (IF-DOG-RABBIT). Here we go again… another one of John Schuerholz “pig-in-a-poke” moves. Kelly Johnson - can you say “NO Stolen Bases?” I know the way Schuerholz works now that Time Warner has chosen NOT to compete (Thanks Time Warner). A few weeks ago Schuerholz signed JOURNEYMAN Willie Harris in an under-the-radar move. Most Braves fan just didn’t fall off the turnip truck. Wee Willie Harris has a chance to be our starting 2B and leadoff hitter. That’s great, journeyman Harris CANNOT come close to hitting (batting avg.) his own weight and just like Kelly Johnson, Willie CANNOT steal bases. I’ve given up all hope of Schuerholz making a significant trade or signing to upgrade Braves for 2007. In fact, General George Custer had a BETTER chance at the Little Big Horn than Braves fans have of John making any trades. Now that Baltimore signed Aubrey Huff, there is no chance we can acquire Brian Roberts (a REAL leadoff hitter that CAN steal bases). Schuerholz and his Time Warner cronies are so proud when they acquired Rafael Soriano as their “dominant” setup guy. Yes, he was dominant UNTIL a rocket launched from Vladimir Guerrero’s bat crash landed on his skull late last season. Many MLB scouts have been quoted as saying Soriano has not been the same since. My point is the Braves could (coulda/woulda/shoulda) have traded for Mike Gonzalez from the PIRATES and HAD a dominant bullpen. However, the “Schuerholz who STOLE the hot stove season and HOPE” from Braves fans is NOT going to make and moves to improve the car crash from 2006. No Rocco Baldelli, no Mike Gonzalez, not even Georgia’s own Chone Figgins. Let me remind the brain trust at Turner Field that Baldelli and Figgins are REAL leadoff hitters that CAN steal bases. Don’t insult my intelligence and say Kelly Johnson is going to hit for an acceptable average, let alone steal bases. The navigational charts for the TITANIC had a better chance for success than Kelly Johnson and JOURNEYMAN Willie Harris being productive major leaguers. I’ve given up all hope for trades or upgrades because John’s track record has become too predictable over the past few years. No exciting trades or signing to IMPROVE the team. I’m to the point now where I believe John Schuerholz passes gas in elevators and gives rocks to “Jerry’s Kids” at Halloween. Thanks Time Warner. Mr. O’Brien (who I honestly respect) makes it sound like Kelly Johnson is the next Ryne Sandberg (once again… IF/DOG/RABBIT). What has John Schuerholz given us to get excited about for next year???@!$#%%$ Is it JOURNEYMAN Willie Harris, “Skull Fracture” Soriano, “Father Time” Bob Wickman, and please don’t tell me how good Kelly Johnson is going to be, I already now. Johnson at his best will have similiar statistics to Ryan Langehans - you know, the basic .240 BA and 6 HRs and NO SB’s (a real star). “Holla” long-suffering Braves fans if you hear my despair. Look for a clone 2006 season in 2007 based on this exciting offseason. THANKS John and THANKS Time Warner.

By TLJ

December 31, 2006 09:46 PM | Link to this

I too wish Reitsma good luck where ever signs. I also like the idea of KJ playing 2 nd base. If he can handle it on defense I think we have something.

I think we should forget Baldelli, TB wants pitching and we don’t have any to spare. They are in the driver seat and unless they will reduce their demand, they should go look somewhere else. Wouldn’t it be great if Salty has a good season and TB regrets not making the deal.

There is no way I would trade LaRoche straigh up for Gonzalez and we do not need McLouth or Castillo. Like TB on Baldelli we are in the driver seat with LaRoche, if Pittsburg wants him they should be ready to trade Gonzalez, Gorzelany and a prospect.
I don’t see this happening.

Happy New Year everyone!

By Greg

December 31, 2006 10:20 PM | Link to this

The funny thing is that we may find that Reitsma is really a great pitcher in another role on another team. Wouldn’t that be ironic?

By brian

December 31, 2006 10:25 PM | Link to this

I agree TLJ - the Braves need to acquire top young pitching, not be giving it away. To be more specific, the Braves need top young starting pitching. Too bad the Braves could not have figured a way of getting Brandon McCarthy from the White Sox (I cannot believe they dealt him). The only way I would deal LaRoche is if we get a top young pitcher in return. Yes I would deal him straight up for Ervin Santana (though the Angels would not) and I would consider it for McCarthy (McCarthy and Kinsler would be a no brainer but of course it is a no brainer NO with a hang up from the Rangers).

The only way the Braves get a top young starting pitcher is with Andruw, and the only way Andruw gets dealt is for someone to show Boras the money. Hicks did it for AROD. Maybe he would feel like $150 million for 7 years would be a bargain.

Anybody want to call now what Andruw’s extension will look like and then next year at this time we can hear an “I told you so”

Happy New Year

By KC

December 31, 2006 10:30 PM | Link to this

Jim: Good points but respectfully… you’re wrong. Particularly this statement:

“Look for a clone 2006 season in 2007 based on this exciting offseason.”

Had the Braves had Wickman and Soriano in the bullpen on opening day last year, we would be coming off a 90-plus win season, and a 15th consecutive post-season berth (be it Division champ or Wild Card).

That simple fact alone assures us that next season will not be the same. Add a healthy and completely recovered Mike Hampton back into the mix, along with a good young arm we’ll be getting back in the person of Blaine Boyer… and the pitching staff is already leaps and bounds better than the team that started last season. Consider also that the 5 returning members of last year’s bullpen posted a combined ERA of 2.31 in month of September to end the season. Guys like Yates, McBride, and Villarreal made clearly visible significant improvements toward the end of the season, and will likely carry those improvements into next season.

As for the leadoff man situation… dude, Giles was nothing to write home about in that role last season. Still, Atlanta was the best offensive team in the NL. The Braves will be near the top of the league offensively again in 07’, regardless of the leadoff situation.

So Jim, my friend, simmer down and don’t get your blood pressure up. The Braves will win better than 90 games next season. Bank on it. How many more (than 90) will depend on what we get from Hudson and Hampton, but this will be a good, competitive team next season.

HAPPY NEW YEAR!

By Darren

December 31, 2006 10:41 PM | Link to this

DOB,

Thanks for the heads up on the Whigs!

Have you heard the new Summer Hymns CD?

Darren

By jed

December 31, 2006 10:43 PM | Link to this

kelly johnson has a good swing. he hit the ball well when he first came up, but kept hitting it at people. if you were watching, you saw that. and if you know what you’re watching, you could see the potential there. i see no reason why we couldnt go with a platoon at 2b. biggest question for me is LF. matt diaz showed he could hit last year, but he’s clumsy in the field. i’ve watched thorman & langerhans, and although langerhans is brilliant defensively, will he ever hit? if you go with thorman in the platoon, you’re gonna have bad defense in LF. thorman & diaz would have to tear it up at the plate to justify that.

By jed

December 31, 2006 10:45 PM | Link to this

kelly johnson has a good swing. he hit the ball well when he first came up, but kept hitting it at people. if you were watching, you saw that. and if you know what you’re watching, you could see the potential there. i see no reason why we couldnt go with a platoon at 2b. biggest question for me is LF. matt diaz showed he could hit last year, but he’s clumsy in the field. i’ve watched thorman & langerhans, and although langerhans is brilliant defensively, will he ever hit? if you go with thorman in the platoon, you’re gonna have bad defense in LF. thorman & diaz would have to tear it up at the plate to justify that.

By Lew

December 31, 2006 11:15 PM | Link to this

Jim-I don’t think the situation is as dire as you do. The bullpen is better and Soriano is fine. All the reports of him losing his stuff was based on about 5 IP in Winter ball. He says now he is all the way back.

By gotigers72

December 31, 2006 11:26 PM | Link to this

I believe Kelly Johnson has the potential to be an above average major league hitter. I hope he can play well enough defensively to play above average second base. [Although I will miss Marcus’ diving stops and fearlessness at 2nd]. I do not think Kelly has the tools to be a leadoff hitter. We need someone there that can steal 20+ bases.

As you pointed out DOB, he needs to be more aggressive at the plate. I remember thinking that he took too many good pitches and swung at too many bad pitches in his tenure in the big leagues. Somebody for TP to work with this spring. He seems to be someone who will listen to coaching.

By MEB

January 1, 2007 12:00 AM | Link to this

Maybe this will be the last post of 2006 for what has been a difficult year for us Braves fans. To all Braves fans everywhere may 2007 be filled with good health and happiness. GO BRAVES!!!

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

January 1, 2007 12:07 AM | Link to this

HAPPY NEW YEAR’S!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! To all of my fellow Braves fans and even you Mets fans I hope your 2007 is better than your 2006. Braves fans, lets hope 2007 brings HEALTH AND PROSPERITY to the Braves and our rightful place atop of the NL East!!!!!

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

January 1, 2007 12:14 AM | Link to this

Unless someone is obtained I think Johnson and Aybar are the best options at the leadoff position. Both guys are patient and take walks which results in high OBP.

I wonder if Gregor Blanco plays his tail off in spring training would it be enough for the Braves to give him the everyday job in LF. This guy had .402 OBP at Richmond and is doing the same thing in winter ball. He has speed, which will allow him to steal bases. If he has a similar spring, it seems to me the Braves would have a very difficult decision on their hands.

By Oregon_Braves

January 1, 2007 12:22 AM | Link to this

I know we give Dayn Perry from the FoxSports website a lot of grief on here (and deservedly so), but I honestly can’t believe the suck-up job he has just posted on the MLB homepage over there. It’s not even January and he’s sending Omar an excruciatingly sickening valentine. According to Mr. Perry, they will be naming an entire wing in Cooperstown after Minaya very soon. Check it out, if you have a strong stomach. It must be love. You have been warned.

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

January 1, 2007 12:28 AM | Link to this

Okay, anyone who had doubt of Dayn Perry’s bias for the Mets need to read his most recent article on Foxsports.com. He says that this winter’s moves only solidifies his status as an effective GM. He points to signing Glavine and Jose Valentin. He also notes Moises Alou. He says despite the rotation issues the Mets are the prohibiitive favorites. He does say however that winning a World Series will requie an upgrade of the rotation. WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Is this assclown high? Yes, the Mets are still very good. I will even agree they should be tagged as the favorites. But saying they are prohibitive favorites and basically implying the NL East won’t be that difficult for them to win. That is a slap in the face to the Braves, Phillies, and Marlins. That is a freaking joke! Does this jerk really think that rotation is better than Atlanta’s, Philly’s, or Florida’s? The Phillies and Braves scored more runs than the might Mets offense did last year. The Braves and Mets made upgrades to their pitching while the Mets pitching was downgraded significantly. I just don’t get it.

Anyone who had any doubt where Dayn Perry’s favortism lies should have no doubt after reading his article. It is utterly inane. I hope the Braves, Phillies, and Marlins read that bs and it inspires them to greatness and the Mets finish fourth. I wonder what Mr. Perry would say if that happened?

By Jim

January 1, 2007 01:13 AM | Link to this

KC

Let me preface this note by saying we’re both lifelong Braves fans. I do not live in Fantasyland. The simple facts still make me believe John Schuerholz’ ancestors rented rooms to Gringos at the Alamo. Marcus Giles was “Mr. Mediocre” (we certainly agree on that). The two bums Schuerholz is replacing Giles with as the starting 2B/leadoff hitter are far times WORSE than Giles ever was. How can we be improved with NO basestealing threat, let alone guys who are challenged to hit their own weight????!!!! Everything done in this “pig-in-a-poke” offseason by Grinch Schuerholz is IF-DOG-RABBIT or Las Vegas roll-the-dice. Journeyman Willie Harris and Kelly Johnson are NOT Chone Figgins or Brian Roberts, not even close. Rafael Soriano is a risk that he may never be the same dominant set-up guy after a Vladimir Guerrero rocket crash landed on his skull (if you don’t believe me just ask several MLB Scouts). Although you and I both want Mike Hampton to rebound to a 20-win season, once again you have to roll-the-dice on what you get from Hampton. You say I’m wrong, no KC my friend, I’m not the enemy here, GRINCH Schuerholz is!!!!!! No significant trades or signings this offseason. Now I’m convinced there will NOT be any moves thanks to Time-Warner. KC, I respect your 2007 optimism; however, we start right away knowing this is Andruw’s last year here (THANKS Time Warner). Let’s not get on the how good Ryan Langerhans is going to be bandwagon PLEASE!!!! A .240 BA and 6 HRs is NOTHING to get excited about my friend. Please KC, the enemy here is Grinch John, he’s WRONG. This is NOT Fantasyland as we all would like. This is the REALITY of the Grinch Schuerholz and Time Warner world we now live in. Thanks Time Warner. KC, Time Warner has CHOSEN NOT to compete. Take off those rose-colored glasses and see the true colors. Respectively, you and I cheer for the same team, we just see things differently. I TRULY hope you are correct, that’s what we both want. But Suddam Schuerholz and Time Warner have taken away ALL of my hope this ice-cold offseason. We are in TROUBLE if the most exciting articles this hot stove season are written about how Kelly Johnson will lead the Braves to the promised land. PLEASE, Kelly Johnson is a Ryan Langerhans clone. I want to ask the question once more, WHO is going to steal more than 5 bases in 2007 for the Braves!!!????)(&$&#$lou. A lifelong Braves fan in closing says…. *PLEASE MR. BLANK, just like Moses, LEAD us out of this no hope and despair. THANKS AGAIN Time Warner. I’m also convinced Grinch Schuerholz’ relatives *sold Zippo lighters to the crew of the Hindenburg.

By Lew

January 1, 2007 01:47 AM | Link to this

Dude-You really need to get a grip. It’s not a good thing to start the New Year off with a stroke.

By berigan

January 1, 2007 02:11 AM | Link to this

Robert(And Oregon Braves) well, checked him out and yep, Dayn Perry’s nuts! Robert, as you mentioned, right now, I’d take the Braves, Phils(A very underrated staff if you look at it) and Marlins starters over the Mets. Not saying the Mets can’t swing a trade and at least have a decent rotation and still win the division, but like most teams, an injury or 2 away from .500 ball.

Oh, I did look into Perry, and thought this article was verrrrry interesting….. http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2005/05/brave_heart.php

By Chris Parsons

January 1, 2007 03:24 AM | Link to this

read your blog all the time, great work. Just wanted to point out that Melvin Mora was probably referring to JD Drew who last year hit 20 HR and had 100 RBI and then agreed to (but hasn’t signed) a $70 million contract. Sadly, the players are delusional, the GM’s seem to be.

By Ron

January 1, 2007 03:25 AM | Link to this

Berigan, Good job getting that article. Wow That article was very interesting. Dont know how anybody can hate a team with passion, and I guess Mature, Dont know if he matured or not, Can consider that same team which he hated consider them his second favorite team. OK anyways. The Mets must be his second favorite team now, and Braves third, I guess. No way I would ever consider the Mets or Yankees my second favorite team, HATE THEM BOTH.

By Ron

January 1, 2007 03:29 AM | Link to this

Never ever gonna Like the Yankees after that 96 World Series. I was 10 years old, and after that Jim bleepin Leyritz hit that 3 run homer to tie that game, I started crying, Knew it was over, and I guarantee all yall knew it was over to once he hit that homer. No way the Yankees would EVER be my second favorite team, EVER.

By Najeh Davenpoop

January 1, 2007 07:22 AM | Link to this

Reitsma sucked and I’m glad the Braves didn’t try to keep him, but whoever decided to drive by him and yell at him in front of his daughter only makes Atlanta sports fans look even worse, if that was possible.

I like OBP, but it would be nice if Kelly Johnson could also string together some hits this time around, unlike two years ago.

By br618

January 1, 2007 07:27 AM | Link to this

Jim it doesn’t matter that aybar and johnson aren’t basestealing threats, bobby cox doesn’t like to steal or bunt which is why the braves aren’t real successful in the playoffs

By JCB

January 1, 2007 08:44 AM | Link to this

Jim You need to chill dude. What is your distaste for Jon S??? Has he wronged you and your family in some form or another? I mean, the man has a budget to work with, its not his fault he didnt feel he could pay someone like Pierre the ridiculous contract he got. He is not going to trade the whole farm system for a few players who might help now, he is being wise, something you are not. So unless you have some real reason as to why you are acting like a horses rear end, chill.

By Mark

January 1, 2007 08:45 AM | Link to this

Whats really scary is that as much as I like Chipper( he has been a great player)If he goes down our lineup is going to be lacking pop and really this is a very suspect starting pitching group as well.Out Team seems to be on a downward trend.

Yes true we have young player in Jeff and Brian that have power, although Jeff has got to add some walks to his game.

Really our infield defense looks alittle shaky as well.

By JC FROM UT

January 1, 2007 09:23 AM | Link to this

Happy New Year to all!! Regardless if the LaRoch/Gonzales trade is made or not we still need another lefty in the bullpen. As of now there is Makay McBride, who has done agreat job, but is not enough on his own. There aren’t any free agents out there except the likes of Kent Merker Scott Schoenweiss or Ron Vallone. This being said I think the LaRoche/Gonzales deal is even that much more important to make. Hopefully this was a “shutdown week” and JS will call Pitt this week and make the deal.

By Ripme

January 1, 2007 09:39 AM | Link to this

Thank you LORD! Thank you !

By ncscoots

January 1, 2007 09:41 AM | Link to this

Mark, if one of the big bats goes down with an injury, Braves have enough offensive depth in the everyday lineup to keep scoring runs (another reason I favor keeping LaRoche). There’s 20-plus-HR power 2 thru 7 as now constituted, and if Thorman is getting regular AB, I certainly think he’s capable of 15-20 HR. That’s a lot of crush, which is why I’m not all that concerned about a prototypical leadoff hitter. Braves can score in bunches from many spots in the lineup, unlike most teams which sport power only at the traditional 3-4-5 spots.

Many of our bloggers who support the speedy-base-stealer-leadoff premise always point to the fact that the Braves last year would have big games offensively, and other games in which they had trouble scoring. Duh. That profile fits only every other team in MLB, also, since it’s the NATURE OF THE GAME! Over 162, every team is going to have peaks and valleys. The fact that the Braves lineup is CAPABLE of putting up 8 runs any time they hit the field is the point. A leadoff hitter who gives up 30% of his hits with caught-stealing isn’t going to improve the offensive efficiency of this lineup. Now, if we could sign Ichiro, that’s a different story, LOL!

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

January 1, 2007 10:00 AM | Link to this

I think a balanced lineup needs a speedy leadoff hitter or a speedy guy in the lineup that can get on base and steal bases. I realize that some will continue to say that speed doesn’t matter. In my opinion that is utterly ridiculous to say. I don’t care what the sport is. Speed is important. Do you guys realize that Figgins and Jose Reyes individually stole as many or more bases than the Braves did as a team? The Braves stole 52 bases all season. Now, I can’t believe that inelligent baseball people really don’t think that is a problem. Speed does so much for the game. It turns a potential putout into an infield single or error. It turns singles into doubles and doubles into triples. Speedy guys get on base and steal second avoiding double plays and taking pressure off of the batter hitting behind them. I know some will say that while Figgins stole 52 bases he was caught 16 times. And? He still stole 52 bases. How can anyone look at the likes of Reyes, Eckstein, Damon, and Hanley Ramierez and tell me that a speedy leadoff guy doesn’t matter.

I think Kelly Johnson or Wily Aybar will do at the leadoff position because they have high OBP and can take walks; however, their lack of speed is a problem no matter which way you slice it. Would I trade LaRoche for Figgins? Probably not unless Erick Aybar and maybe a pitcher were involved. Would I consider giving Gregor Blanco the nod in LF if he can maintain his high OBP and show some knack for stealing bases in spring training? You bet your sweet a** I would. This offense has plenty of power. Chipper almost hit 30HR in only 2/3 of a season. LaRoche hit 32 and would’ve probably hit 40 if he didn’t have to platoon with Jordan the first 1/3 of the season. McCann hit over 20. Frenchy hit 29 and probably would have reached 30 if he had been given a day off here and there. BUT, the one thing the offense didn’t have was speed or guys who could steal bases.

By dadgum

January 1, 2007 10:06 AM | Link to this

Scattershooting while wondering what ever happened to the band Nantucket….

Happy New Year to everyone here and peace, health, happiness, & prosperity in this coming year.

With all the rain we are getting I wonder if The Diamond is holding up? Negotiations are on again with Mike Plant of teh Braves and Richmond’s mayor Doug Wilder on a new proposal at teh existing site. That on again off again romance is making me tired not to mention just about everyone else in Central Virginia. Get ‘er done already!!!

Oh yeah…back to Nantucket. The band hailed from Eastern NC around Jacksonville during the 70’s / 80’s. They played mostly in the Southeast and recorded 2 albums I know of maybe more. They had a loyal following and a good rock sound at the time. Their lyricist and lead guitar player was Tommy Redd. Can’t seem to find any info on them these days. Any info out there?

Also just wondering what this blog would be like if we could actually eliminate all the soap opera posts and rebuttal posts by,well, you know who they are and stick just to valued opinions on the normal topics within teh blogosphere. Not saying we can’t disagree just keep it on topic instead of dragging mud and people’s mothers into it etc. Go Braves!!!

By MBATL

January 1, 2007 10:12 AM | Link to this

I’d love to get Gonzalez and a young SP, but sounds like the Pirates aren’t going to give up 2 quality arms for Laroche.

How about Laroche and Langerhans for Gonzalez and Duffy? Duffy is no superstar, but a good OF who can steal bases. Langerhans would be expendable, and the Pirates would have some backup for CF.

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

January 1, 2007 10:30 AM | Link to this

I tell you what a lot of Pirate fans hate Littlefield. They think he is an idiot. Some are wondering why he doesn’t send Duffy along with Gonzales and pull the trigger. I don’t necessarily want Duffy but I too have to wonder. One place they have some depth is in the outfield. It just goes to show why the Pirates remain the NL’s bottomfeeders. The only reason they finished above the Cubs last season was because the Cubs played almost the entire season without Derek Lee.

By RC

January 1, 2007 10:40 AM | Link to this

DB,

Thanks, the Braves Blog is quickly becoming my favorite at AJC due to your hard work and perspective. I agree on Reitsma…too bad from the good guy part. I agree with the earlier blogger, he shoulda been kept at setup…. AND Giles shoulda been kept at the number 2 spot regardless. I know the money crunch has hurt the Braves but when you gotta a good thing going why change it? Guess Bobby had to try. Giles to me would always be a welcome 2nd baseman, number 2 hitter at the Ted. Too bad he’s gone.

RC

By JC FROM UT

January 1, 2007 10:45 AM | Link to this

MBATL: I’m with you about Gonzales/LaRoch but I wouldn’t include Langerhans. As someone posted on the previous blog, Langerhans may well be the best alternative to AJ next season, defensively speaking. Personally I think Langerhans,with a little more patience could be a decent leadoff guy. He may not be the fastest but he seems like a smart baserunner with a lot of hustle. I’m sure Thorman will not put up a 30 HR season but he could hit 15-20. I just really wish JS would do the deal with Pitt.

By MBATL

January 1, 2007 10:46 AM | Link to this

BTW, RBIB, I’ve seen a couple of statistical analyses that place Figgins as the best baserunner in baseball (not base stealer, but baserunner, taking into account extra bases taken, going from 1st to 3rd on singles, scoring from 1st on doubles, not getting thrown out on the basepaths - that kind of thing.)

Given that, and his versatility, I’d consider a package for him if we could pry some kind of pitching away in the deal.

By AdirondackDave

January 1, 2007 11:08 AM | Link to this

I agree, Littlefield doesn’t seem to be the sharpest tack in the box. With his options dwindling, he wants and needs LaRoche big-time but can’t bring himself to include Duffy, a minor piece in the overall picture for both clubs. Seems a little odd to me.

Actually, I’m not certain that the Pirates have anybody, including Duffy, who can hold down a Braves outfield slot for a full season and successfully lead off. He doesn’t look like a contenders lead-off guy to me. Perhaps it will occur to Littlefield to propose one or two secondary minor league prospects instead of Duffy and negotiate up from there.

My hunch is that this deal will get done, sooner or later, given JS’s stated pitching priority. After being widely criticized last year for letting obvious bullpen problems ruin the season for the Braves, he’s surely can’t let that happen again.

By KC

January 1, 2007 11:18 AM | Link to this

JIM: Dude, your post looks like an electronic version of a demented ransom note. That’s a manifesto if I ever saw one. Jim, again man… relax and try to get your heart rate down.

The biggest problems last year were injuries and the bullpen. Do you realize that the Braves had 3 starters on the DL the entire season?! There were a couple points during the season in which they had 4 starters out all at once. The Braves largely solved that issue by getting rid of their 2 most injury prone starters (Thompson and Ramirez).

The other big issue, the bullpen, has also been fixed. First of all, did you notice in my earlier post… that whole thing about the 5 returning members of the bullpen finishing the season with a combined 2.31 September ERA? From the looks of it, the bullpen was already a helluva lot better by the end of the season than it was at the all-star break. Now you add one of the premiere setup men in baseball, and get a good young arm back in Blaine Boyer. I can’t even comprehend, let along relate, to any pessimism regarding this bullpen.

As for Hampton being a “roll of the dice”, I don’t think anyone’s predicting a 20 win season. But the FACT of the matter is that he’ll have had the FULL 18 month recovery period (from Tommy John surgery) where as most pitchers return after only 12 months, and struggle their first several months back as a result. There is now a 90% success rate for pitchers returning from TJ surgery. Dr. James Andrews, one of the leading doctors to who performs that procedure, defines success as “being 100% at the 18 month (post-surgery) mark”. Jim, this means that there is only a 10% chance of Hampton suffering any ill-effects whatsoever next season. A “roll of the dice” with 90% odds… I’ll take that wager. Again, no one’s predicting 20 wins, but I’ll bet real money that he has a solid overall season, and a great 2nd half (once he’s shaken off the rust).

Alos, History (and a few other factors) suggest that we can look for a better season out of Hudson as well. I can’t predict the future or tell you that Hampton and Hudson will both be good next season, but in both cases… the odds are in the Braves’ favor.

Your question: “I want to ask the question once more, WHO is going to steal more than 5 bases in 2007 for the Braves!!!????”

My answer: WHO GIVES a F%&!!!!! This team was the best offensive team in the NL last year *without a leadoff man or a base stealer! The Braves know how to lay down an bunt and drive a runner in. They also know how to knock the ball into next year, as they were top HR-hitting team last year as well. One way or another… they’ll score runs. Why is it so hard for some people to accept that the Braves were, and remain, an excellent offensive ballclub???

BOTTOM LINE: The Braves two biggest problems, health and the bullpen, have both been addressed. The rotation will likely be strengthened by Hampton. Again, if Wickman and Soriano had been in the bullpen on opening day of last season, the Braves would absolutely, positively be coming off a 90-plus win season right now. So man, there is no conceivable way (short of a catastrophic, unprecedented rash of injuries) that the Braves’ 07’ season will be a “clone of 2006”. It just ain’t gonna happen. And if you really believe that, I’m open to a friendly wager.

By KC

January 1, 2007 11:22 AM | Link to this

MBATL:

I wouldn’t have a problem with the Braves throwing something into that trade to get both Gonzalez and Duffy in return.

If the Braves believe that Duffy can get on base enough to bat leadoff, then it would be worth parting with LaRoche and Langerhanz or even Matt diaz to get both Gonzalez and Duffy.

By Jim

January 1, 2007 11:23 AM | Link to this

JCB (or John Schuerholz’ nephew)

Reading your reply blog reminded me of a guy I know that said “I had a roomate, but my mom moved out.” I’m happy for you and KC living in Fantasyland, a place of world peace, sunshine, no sickness, and equal opportunity for all. You obviously do not care the current plight of the Braves - Thanks Time Warner. If finishing below .500 and eating Turner Field ‘dogs makes you happy, then God bless you and yours. What do I have against Grinch Schuerholz you ask??? Regardless of the fact that Schuerholz’ relatives negotiated a peaceful settlement and the our city of Atlanta… he’s regressed into the pig-in-a-poke baseball mentally. We both know Time Warner has put the financial constraints on Johnny by choosing not to compete; however, John doesn’t have to act like Brad Childress’ brother (smug/arrogant/non-information). JCB - go on believing the Braves are a playoff team next season. I’m sure your mother can also read you some fairy tales and take you to Fantasyland. I should have known from your writing you were related to John Schuerholz (I already mentioned that earlier). Maybe your John Schuerholz Jr., and you’re going to be inserted into that All-Star 2B mix this spring with journeyman Willie Harris and phenom Kelly Johnson. It would make sense with John Schuerholz’ pig-in-a-poke management. NO Brian Roberts or Chone Figgins…. no we get Schuerholz JR., journeyman Harris, and “Langerhans” clone Johnson. But JCB, you go on living in Fantasyland where they’ve found a cure for cancer and the Braves are going to win the World Series. Thanks Time Warner. Before you call someone a horse’s whatever, I know you have a another popular saying … “I never met a mirror I didn’t fall in love with.” JCB, there is a center called ABC (Ability Bldg. Ctr)… I think that’s where you live buddy…

By BravesFaninRockies

January 1, 2007 11:24 AM | Link to this

Happy New Year to all in Braves land!

DOB, thanks for the update, as always. It’s good to see Hub’s working with KJ on his moves and footwork at 2B. I hope he can make the transition back to the IF.

The last Braves game I saw live was in Dodger Stadium, 1st half of ‘95. Before Frenchy and Mac were called up. Raul Mondesi was still on the team, for cryin’ out loud. This was just before KJ went on his hot streak. I recall him looking like Roy Hobbs at the plate and Chris Duncan in the field. Langy went in as a defensive replacement and made one of those diving, game-saving catches (only because Kolb had stunk it up and let a lead get away) that makes me hope we can find some way to keep the guy on the roster.

2007 looks full of promise. Health and happiness to all!

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

January 1, 2007 11:30 AM | Link to this

As far as the Pirate deal goes, if I were JS I would even consider asking for Matt Capps along with Gonzales. It may not be something the Pirates would do but the guy’s numbers are outstanding. With the additon of Capps the Braves could offer Paronto or Yates.

I still think a deal with the O’s or Angles could work as well. Huff doesn’t really play 1B that well and still didn’t solve the O’s need of wanting a left handed power hitting first baseman. As for the Angels, Hillenbrand is nice but his defense at 1st is horrendous. That is why the Giants didn’t attempt to keep him and the Yankees clearly stated that is why they had no interest in him. Honestly, I don’t understand the Angles reasoning in getting him because Dallas McPherson played very well at 3B last season. The only thought I have is that Hillenbrand is there to be the DH because the Angels know Rivera is going to be out for a length of time. I still think they would want LaRoche. I said earlier I didn’t know if I would make a trade for Figgins with LaRoche. But, if Erick Aybar or Casey Kotchman was included in the deal, I think I would have to do it just because of what Figgins can bring to the lineup. And as I have stated before Figgins can split time between 2B, 3B, and LF and by him playing some 2B it will allow Kelly Johnson to ease into the position. I know many disagree with me on this, but I really think the Braves need some speed in the lineup. It would help the power guys tremendously.

By BravesFaninRockies

January 1, 2007 11:33 AM | Link to this

Oops, I meant ‘05. My Bad.

And Jim, take a chill pill, please.

By KC

January 1, 2007 11:40 AM | Link to this

JIM: GREETINGS FROM FANTASY LAND!

You keep telling me how detached from reality I am, but you haven’t really answered any of the points I’ve made. I haven’t just told you what I believe, I’ve told you line for line why I believe that. Can you dispute any of the following:

• If Wickman and Soriano were in the Braves bullpen on opening day of last year, the Braves would be coming off a 90 win season, and 15th consecutive post-season berth.

• There is only a 10% chance of Mike Hampton suffering any ill-effects whatsoever from his TJ surgery next season.

• The bullpen looks solid with one of the premiere closers and setup men in baseball right now, and several other good young arms.

• The Braves were the best offensive team in the NL last year, and have lost nothing other than a 2nd baseman who couldn’t bat leadoff and struggled mightily last year.

Can you rationally dispute any of these points Jim? These 4 points disprove your notion of a 2007 “clone season”.

By David O'Brien

January 1, 2007 11:46 AM | Link to this

Agreed that Braves need another lefty go go with McBride; can’t ride McBride into the ground by the All-Star break.

While Gonzalez from Pittsburgh would obviously be the best lefty the Braves could get, if they can’t complete a trade for him there are others available, including a couple of proven free agents who might be cheap as spring training inches ever closer:

_ Ron Villone, who held lefty hitters to a .185 average with four homers (one by LaRoche, by the way) and .290 OBP in 108 at-bats last season;

_ Scott Schoenweis, who held lefty hitters to a .236 average with ZERO homers and a .625 OPS in 89 at-bats last season.

By TheSouthernJackAss

January 1, 2007 11:46 AM | Link to this

Just thought you morons might want to know that one of my good friends here in the blog(thank you jjs) has been kind enough to pay for my internet service in advance for the entire year of ‘07 thus allowing me to continue coming here day after day to blog with my best friends in the world—Yes, a full, continuous year of intelligent and thought provoking blogging with TheSouthernJackAss…”Happy New Year”…yous pukes!!!…GO NATS!!!…

By The Grinch

January 1, 2007 11:48 AM | Link to this

Oooohhhhh, my head. Could y’all not talk quite so loud, please?

By David O'Brien

January 1, 2007 11:52 AM | Link to this

Schoeneweis made $2.75 mill last season ($2.5 mill in 2005) with Toronto and Villone made $2.25 mill last season with the Yankees and $1.95 mill with Seattle in 2005.

Now I ask you, if you’re the Braves, don’t you find a way to offer Schoeneweis $3 mill RIGHT NOW so you can keep LaRoche, who will have even more trade value a year from now if he hits 35 or more homers and drives in 110 or so runs?

That way you can give Thorman plenty of ABs in LF and some at 1B and in a PH role, then have him move into 1B a year from now if LaRoche is too pricey.

By KC

January 1, 2007 12:01 PM | Link to this

DOB: I like it. They sound like good options. Has JS asked your opinion yet? =)

By David O'Brien

January 1, 2007 12:08 PM | Link to this

KC, not yet. But it’s a new year, so I’m by the phone in case John calls to begin a new era of working together for the greater good (ok, just thought I’d help some of you who might need to puke this morning).

By Ron

January 1, 2007 12:10 PM | Link to this

Some of yall keep on talkin about how important speed is and the importance of a true speedy leadoff man is. When we had Furcal from 2000 to 2005 seasons we did not win a playoff series, yes we won in 2001 but furcal did not play because he dislocated his shoulder earlier in the season. Completely OVERATED!!!!!

By MBATL

January 1, 2007 12:12 PM | Link to this

DOB, obvously Gonzo is more attractive and much cheaper, for much longer - and I for one am comfortable with trading Laroche, as I think he’ll have a hard time boosting his numbers any higher - but wouldn’t be the first time I was wrong, and I hope I am (if we keep him).

And I think Thorman is a player (and I thought he was a disaster in LF last year, but apparently the Braves feel he can play there… again, hope so…). I’m okay with turning 1B over to him, and would like to see “lights-out” pitching (to use a worn-out phrase).

I would assume that if we keep Laroche at, what, $3 mil or so?, it’s gonna be hard to “find the dollars” to sign a mid-reliever at $3 mil. From what I’ve read, the salary cap is pretty firm.

But, not a bad suggestion if the money is there.

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

January 1, 2007 12:16 PM | Link to this

I agree with you on that, DOB. I had suggested going after Villone sometime back. Villone or Schoeneweis would be very nice options out of the pen. Could offer them a $2.5 mil contracts with incentives that would reach $3 mil. I, also think it would not be a bad idea to sign a Tony Armas or John Thomson. What do you think of those options, DOB? I am just thinking it might be nice to have Davies go and get one more good year or at least half a year in Richmond. If he dominates there, it could up his value, not to mention I would feel a bit better about the roation with a solid veteran anchoring the backend of it.

By JC FROM UT

January 1, 2007 12:21 PM | Link to this

DOB: You asked if the Braves should go after Shoenweiss now and perhaps hold on to Adam until next year. I say no. Trade Adam now for Gonzales. The Braves are going to need a closer sooner rather than later plus what everyone else has said about shortening the games this year. I dont think JS can take a chance of Adam having another great year or reverting back to his 04-05 ways. JS cannot also count on Wickman coming back again. Wickman has already contemplated retirement.Personally I would rather have the closer of the future already in the fold and take my chances with Thorman. Infact I would also try to sign Joe Randa to platoon with Thorman and also have him as insurance in case Chipper gets hurt. One more point. If,God forbid, the Braves are not in the playoff hunt at the trading deadline, JS could offer Wickman around for prospects or whatever and not have to worry about who will close the following year. What do you think about this scenario: Trade Hudson to Texas (I thhink they would be interessted since they missed out on Zito)and one of the middle infielders for Ian Kinsler(sp?) and CJ Wilson. Then try signing Mark Redman. I know he is not Hudson but Hudson has not been Hudson and it would save a lot of money to use else where like locking up the young core players or extendeing Smoltz. JS has to keep Smolts from going anywhere.

By Sam

January 1, 2007 12:23 PM | Link to this

Hi Braves fans, Don’t let JS brainwash you. I have been a Braves fan since they left Boston and I know my braves history. The baldelli trade will never happen, LaRoche will not happen. JS is a crap shooter…he is big talk and no action. I hope the Soriano trade is ok and their is nothing wrong with Soriano. I don’t like KJ at second base. Hey guys Mark Loretta is available…sign him for one year and see what happen. Remember the Bravos still need a leadoff hitter. Figgins is still available???

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

January 1, 2007 12:23 PM | Link to this

DOB, lets say Gregor Blanco goes into spring training and hits .350 with an OBP of .415 and steals 10 bases in 11 attempts. He shows he can hit leadoff. Would Cox give him the job in LF or send him back down to the minors?

By Mark Johnson

January 1, 2007 12:24 PM | Link to this

Cool reference to Greg Brown’s song, that is a great one, one of my favorites by him.

By David O'Brien

January 1, 2007 12:25 PM | Link to this

In case anyone was wondering, no, I don’t care that he (Schoeneweis) had a 4.88 ERA last season and would cost a draft pick because he was offered arbitration by the Reds.

Because you’re getting him to face lefties, and he was outstanding against them. By the way, he only allowed one run and recorded three saves in 16 games for the Reds after being trade from Toronto in August.

You give up a draft pick rather than give up a cog in next year’s lineup (LaRoche). You play to win now.

Of course, it probably won’t matter because the Yanks want him, which means they can blow Braves out of the water with an offer if they choose to.

The Braves could show their fans something, couldn’t they, by going out and signing a guy that big-market teams are also going after? Just one not-so-expensive guy.

By Jim

January 1, 2007 12:25 PM | Link to this

KC

I want to repeat the FACT that I’m on your side… I LOVE the Braves and want them to succeed. I’ve just reached the point of NO hope and frustration with Grinch Schuerholz at the helm backed by Time Warner (Thanks Time Warner). I’d love nothing more for David O’Brien’s next AJC column to read the Brave’s have acquired Mike Gonzalez and Chris Duffy. That’s the chill pill I need to stop the current plight all Braves fans are in. People keep saying “the Braves had the best offense in the NL last year.” Great, they still didn’t make the playoffs, NOT even close. The Braves couldn’t even afford to resign PH Daryle Ward. If that doesn’t send up financial warning flags then nothing should. Next *JCB is going to tell me that Brian Jordan is the best pinch hitter in MLB (greetings from Fantasyland JCB). KC, we both want the same thing - the Braves to win. David O’Brien, please please please inform us of the Mike Gonzalez acquistion in the NEAR future. Just some excitement or inkling that Time Warner wants to compete. KC, I’d love to make friendly wagers with you and LOSE. Best money I ever would spend. How about Mike Hampton winning more than 9 games? How about the Braves finishing no less the Wild Card???? More importantly, how about Grinch Schuerholz making a trade???? I’ve love to lose money that way!!! So before you think we are so far apart, I believe we have the same goals in mind, for our beloved Braves to win. C’mon David, it’s up to you now to inform us of our next significant John Schuerholz trade.

By Lew

January 1, 2007 12:28 PM | Link to this

I would like to point something out to all of you that think stolen bases are what makes teams go. In 2006, there were 24 ML players with more than 20 SB. 7 in the NL and 4 in the AL were with playoff teams. The Mets had two, the Padres 3, the Dodgers had 2 and the Yankees had 2. The Twins and Tigers had one each. The Twins, Yankees, Dodgers and Padres were eliminated in the first round of the playoffs-the Mets were eliminated in the LCS. This means that only one player with more than 20SB was in the World Series and the Cardinals, who won it all, didn’t even have one player with 20 SB. Someone mentioned Eckstein. He had 7 SB for the season. You make the determination about the impoortance of stolen bases. I just don’t see that it adds up to winning.

By MBATL

January 1, 2007 12:32 PM | Link to this

If we did have a few dollars to play with, I’d much rather have seen us keep Giles at $4.5 mil or so (coming off a bad year, I don’t think he’d have won at arbitration, and probably would’ve accepted a contract offer if we’d have made one), and traded Laroche for Gonzalez. Then you’d have 2B covered, a great bullpen, a quality prospect taking over at 1B, and the only real hole to fill would be CF when AJ walks.

Water under the bridge now, of course, but if it turns out we’ve got salary flexibility, I think letting Giles walk was a mistake.

AS to “leadoff”, I’d like to have a speedy guy, but I really think “team speed” is a lot more important, and we’re not even close to having that. Franceour is the only guy who can run, and he hasn’t figured out how to steal bases yet; Renteria can steal a few; and AJ has completely abandoned the idea of running … so it’s bashball for the foreseeable future.

By David O'Brien

January 1, 2007 12:34 PM | Link to this

Robert, can’t answer that hypothetical question about Blanco seven-plus weeks before position players report for spring training, especially not given any other conditions _ how the others do this spring, what may or may not happen between now and then, etc.

By Ron

January 1, 2007 12:42 PM | Link to this

I agree with yall that Littlefield is a complete idiot. If the Duffy thing is the only holdup, he is crazy. It must be more to it than that, It Must be. The Closer for an AWFUL team is overated, A Power hitting, and future Gold Glove winner, and 1 year younger than your Closer, is a Must, especially in that park, and he will play in at least 140 games, while their Closer might only get 30 saves. Heck just read Earlier that the RedSox are trying to trade for Cordero. And the Nats are looking to get 3 pitchers. 1 major leager and 2 minor leagers that are decent. The Major leager is Hansley, or whatever his name is, the dude that was drafted 1 pick before Devine a few years ago. Hansley has not done anything. That is a bargain for Cordero, and for Littlefield getting LaRoche. Is it me or did the free agents get really rich, with that being said, if the Pirates can get a 27 year old, 3 more years until a free agent, gold glover, great offense, in that park. They dont have to overpay, they will be underpaying for LaRoche, how the heck are the Braves not getting a Better package for LaRoche in this market. Thanks Littlefield, you almost pulled one on JS, but you are too STUPID to realize that. I am so glad that we will keep LaRoche, man Littlefield is stupid!!!!!! How does this man have a job?

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

January 1, 2007 12:46 PM | Link to this

Lew, I understand your point about stolen bases but what about speed in general. Speed does a lot more than steal bases. I find it interesting though that the Cards had a much better leadoff hitter than the Tigers and won. Same could be said in ‘05 of the White Sox over the Astros. How about in ‘04 with the Red Sox over the Cardinals. In ‘03 the Marlins over the Yankees. In ‘02 the Angles over the Giants. I’m not suggesting by any means that those teams won soley because of their leadoff hitters because that would be asinine. But, in every one of those cases the winning team’s leadoff hitter played a significant role in the team’s success.

A good lineup is balanced and has speed and power. Its nice to throw numbers around and I love numbers as much as anyone. However, you can make numbers say whatever you want. You can point to Figgins and say the Angels didn’t make the playoffs but that wasn’t because of Figgins. The Angels’ offense lacked power. I’ll say this. Go ask the Mets, Dodgers, Padres, Yankees, and Twins and ask them if they would trade away thier leadoff hitters from last year because in reality they weren’t that important. Ask the Astros how important a leadoff hitter is. If Taveras had done all season what he did in the last two months the Astros wouldn’t have had to go down to the last day with the Cards. What kills me is how many people on here rip Giles to this day about his lack of productivity from the leadoff spot but then turn around and say that it doesn’t matter who bats leadoff. Does that make good sense?

By Ron

January 1, 2007 12:51 PM | Link to this

DOB, you think Dale Murphy will ever make the Hall of Fame? I was looking up Andre Dawsons numbers the other day, How the Hell is he not in the Hall, man he deserves it more than alot of people, his SB, Hits, Homeruns, Gold Gloves, Good Average, He was unbelievable, If someone on here does not think Dawsons a Hall of Famer look up his numbers, and if you still dont think he is a Hall of Famer, explain to me why he should not be, maybe I am missing something?

By journalist jimmy smith

January 1, 2007 12:52 PM | Link to this

jackass, that was not jimmy smith who paid your internet bill - must have been your new best friend, stinky. his check should have come in last week. anyway, journalist looks forward to engaging conversation with the sda in the coming months. happy new year. now, baseball … we can be thankful the braves are not the mess that the falcons are. and lew, the braves won’t steal many bases until the signs are changed. finger to the nose means hold your base. confusing to all.

By Rosalynn

January 1, 2007 12:53 PM | Link to this

HAPPA NEW YEAH!!

By Ron

January 1, 2007 12:55 PM | Link to this

Robert, dude you do realize that we never won a playoff series with Furcal. And he was a speedy leadoff man, Speedy leadoff man is Overated.

By Jared

January 1, 2007 01:00 PM | Link to this

I’d do LaRoche for Gonzalez only if Schuerholz assured everybody he wouldn’t turn around and give the Yankees Gonzalez for some overrated junk.

But Schuerholz already had the chance to do that trade. I can’t see him going back and now doing it unless the Pirates throw in something more. He supposedly pulled the offer after he got Rafael Soriano. Don’t know why, I guess the Braves think Gonzalez’s elbow may be a real problem, or they were just using the Pirates to make the Mariners desperate to complete that trade.

By MBATL

January 1, 2007 01:00 PM | Link to this

Where is it written that Renteria can’t bat leadoff? He’s averaged 27 SB for his career, has a fine OBP, and doesn’t strike out TOO much. I’m not saying it’s ideal, but he seems a better fit than Giles was.

By Lew

January 1, 2007 01:02 PM | Link to this

Jim-I understand your frustration over last season, but your pessimism about this season and the future is way uncalled for. You talk about the potency of our offense last year and still coming in with a losing season. Dude, the problem wasn’t the offense-it was the pitching-primarily the bullpen. The bullpen issues have been well addressed with Wickman and Soriano. Remlinger, Reitsma and Sosa are gone. Thomson and Ramirez are gone. Everyone that is left had substantially better seasons to begin with and definitely were good at the end of the season. We have Hampton returning and while I realize this doesn’t inspire you with confidence, all indications are that he wil be back in fairly good form to start and should improve considerably as the season progresses. So we have to replace Giles. Big flipping deal. I liked the little Dude, but all you really have to replace is a .262 average with damn little power. I think any of the three potential 2B will suffice just fine. As far as left field and leadoff. We are no worse than we were last year, as we still have Langerhans and Diaz, as well as Thorman (providing he doesn’t become first baseman). I just don’t see the reason for your pessimism. You call JS “Grinch Scheurholz”. Why? He has taken nothing from the Braves and considering the financial restraints placed on him by the Braves’ impending sale, he has done a phenomenal job. He isn’t finished yet, either. There’s plenty of time left before the season starts. Dude, I wasn’t happy about last year, either. But I just don’t see Chipper half killing himself on a lousy field again. That is what caused his injury problems last year, including his oblique injury -not his toes. He played through that pain and still kicked a$$. With the exception of RBI’s, his stats were higher avg than Wright, the same number of HR’s as Wright and the same number of walks as Wright-all in 44 less games, yet many consider Wright to be superior-he’s not, just younger. We aren’t likely to have a 6-23 month again (we never did even when the Braves sucked in the 80’s) and with the revamped bullpen (likely to improve some more), it is doubtful we will blow 29 saves again, either. Cut the team and JS some slack. I promise things are no where near as dire as you suggest.

By Lew

January 1, 2007 01:08 PM | Link to this

RJIB-Sure, overall speed is a plus, but if you realistically look at it, the Braves have that. No one will ever claim Andruw is fast down the first base line (probably because of his backswing), but did you see him move when he was on base? He took extra bases and scored frequently. Chipper is no speed demon, either, but runs the bases well, as does most of the team. The Braves under BC have NEVER run that much. Earlier this year someone posted before BC and during BC numbers for all of our speedy players (NIxon, Deion, Furcal, etc) and they stole mush less under BC. I think stolen bases are totally overrated, but we already have good running skills on the tem.

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

January 1, 2007 01:15 PM | Link to this

DOB, here you are our fearless leader and I don’t think any of has asked you how your New Year’s Eve went. So, how was did it go?

By journalist jimmy smith

January 1, 2007 01:20 PM | Link to this

it is good to see toes being discussed on the blog on this first day of the new year. the importance of healthy toes cannot be over-emphasized. as go the toes, so go the braves. toes are not to be trifled with.

now, blackeyed peas and cornbread. this journalist has been gathering blackeyed peas for weeks and they are now cooking. soon, this journalist will be enjoying the traditional new years day feast of blackeyed peas, cornbread, and whatever else -gotta save room for the peas.

now, grinch did not appear to be in very good shape in that earlier post.

falcons have a press conference scheduled for right about now. maybe vick will be allowed to coach and play quarterback. we shall see.

now, baseball … lew, why did the braves steal less mush?

By Efrim D

January 1, 2007 01:24 PM | Link to this

Happy New Year guys….KC, I love your optimistic attitude about next season. There is a decent chance the Braves could finish fourth in the division. Although the Marlins boast a great rotation, better than the Braves, I still think the Braves will finish ahead of them. The Marlins bullpen is not strong. The Phillies did add Freddy Garcia as well as Adam Eaton. Now I know Adam Eaton is not a good pitcher, but I bet you would take Freddy Garcia over Mike Hampton right now. I think Cole Hamels is a future Number 1 starter basically because he has the ability to strike out a guy an inning. Brett Myers is a front of the rotation type starter as well. They also two young players that I would take over any of the young postional players the Braves have. And then there are the Mets. But I just wont go there. Also, the Padres have a tremendous pitching staff next year. 1-12 they have quality pitchers. Peavy, Young, Maddux and Hensley are as good a rotation as their is in the NL. If they had any hitter capable of hitting 35 homers, then they would be my favorite to win the pennant next year.

By Lew

January 1, 2007 01:31 PM | Link to this

Esteemed Journalist-The cornbread just came out of the oven. I don’t know about the mush, but under BC, the Braves stole less of it. Must have been the migration of the Musk Oxen to Cordele. That’s the only reason I can think of. (Damn you Al Gore, we were blissful in our ignorance).

By Lew

January 1, 2007 01:45 PM | Link to this

Efrim-The Marlins are a team waiting for the sophomore slump to hit the team as a whole. Dan Uggla will not put up the same numbers and Hanley Ramirez was just pulled out of winter ball with a shoulder problem. Two of their pitchers are due for injury or just reduced effectiveness this season, because of severe overuse in 06 as opposed to 05. The Phillies may well have improved their rotation, but they still have to pitch in Philadelphia, where the stadium is a total joke. Chase Utley will also not put up comparable numbers, he already had his career year. The Padres will have no bearing on the East, either. The Braves will not come in fourth. They will win the division.

By David O'Brien

January 1, 2007 01:58 PM | Link to this

Ron, that was an interesting stat about Braves never winning a playoff series with Furcal. Hard to believe, but true….

Robert, the night was bor-ring for me. Nothing to report, but that I’m here, alive and well. All I can ask….

JJS, since you referred to Falcons, a question for you and others: Who’d have thunk, a little less than two years ago when the Falcons were in the NFC championship game in Mora’s first year as a head coach, that Bobby Cox would outlast him as a head coach/manager in Atlanta? Just curious.

By KC

January 1, 2007 02:01 PM | Link to this

Efrim D:

It’s funny… I can’t get any of the other Braves critics around here to answer a couple of simple questions. Maybe you’d be willing to. Here are 4 points I asked Jim earlier (though he didn’t answer them)…

True or false:

• If Wickman and Soriano had been in the Braves bullpen on opening day of last year, the Braves would be coming off a 90-plus win season, and a 15th consecutive post-season berth.

• There is only a 10% chance of Mike Hampton suffering any ill-effects whatsoever from his TJ surgery next season.

• The bullpen looks solid with one of the premiere closers and setup men in baseball right now, and several other good young arms.

• The Braves were the best offensive team in the NL last year, and have lost nothing other than a 2nd baseman who couldn’t bat leadoff and struggled mightily last year.

Are these statements true or false, Efrim?

By journalist jimmy smith

January 1, 2007 02:24 PM | Link to this

dob, it certainly proves that bobby has sticking power :-)! the question now is, what value does mora have in the marketplace? some may think he was in a no-win deal with vick and company. is he a nfl head coach, an assistant, or a college coach? journalist hopes he learned from this and lands on his feet. that first year was special.

don’t know if vick is a coach killer or not, but that job looks a lot like an outsider going in to manage a family business - “now, do whatever you need to do but let me explain about my son mike and his special deal …”

now, baseball … is chipper eating blackeyed peas and cornbread today? or perhaps chipper is having autographed venison? chipper said he might go back to cheeseburgers and fries after eating healthy and falling apart last season. what is the food for healthy toes? prize for the correct answer.

By Efrim D

January 1, 2007 02:24 PM | Link to this

Bob Wickman is not a premiere closer in Baseball.

I will list all that are a better bet than him in 2007.

National League:

Wagner Cordero Lidge (I don’t care what struggles he had last year, I take him over big Bob) Mike Gonzalez Isringhausen Hoffman Saito

American League

Rivera Ryan Ray Jenks Todd Jones( him and Wickman are dead even) Nathan F. Rodriguez Putz Street

I don’t care about stats with this debate. He doesn’t have good stuff. He is a ONE INNING PITCHER. Rarely is brought on in the eighth. Im not saying Bob Wickman is terrible. But don’t think he is “one of baseball’s premiere closers”. Now KC, I want you to list all of the closer’s better than Bob Wickman…..but I guess you would rather have the Wickster instead of Mo Rivera??? Right?? Premiere to me, is a top 10 closer in baseball. He is not.

By KC

January 1, 2007 02:25 PM | Link to this

I’ll throw one more TRUE OR FALSE question into the mix:

The Braves had 3 starters on the DL at any given time, pretty much the entire season last year, and actually had 4 starters down all at once for a while (Hampton, Ramirez, Davies, Thompson). This is not likely to be the case in ‘07.

T/F?

By Efrim D

January 1, 2007 02:30 PM | Link to this

As far as your four points go, the first is true. They lost a lot of one run games last year. I think they would of won 88-90 last year. But they still werent better than the Mets. Second point is true. What do you expect out of Mike Hampton though? 20 WINS??? 15? 12? Third point, I just posted above what I think of Wickman. Soriano is great, top 5 eighth inning reliever in baseball. Lastly, they have a very good offensive team, but a different one if Chipper is out of the lineup. You can’t expect him to play more than 120 games next year. How could you?

By The Grinch

January 1, 2007 02:38 PM | Link to this

Morning, all. I’m beginning to think I might make it now. JJS, you forgot collards. Cornbread, blackeyed peas and collards must be consumed today (collards represent money in the tradition). My guess on the toe-healthy food…toe-fu? Even safe for vegans. Now, orange juice. Orange juice is high in potassium which regulates heart rate and is leached out of the system by alcohol-dehydration. Grinch must drink some (orange juice, not alcohol).

By NYM

January 1, 2007 02:38 PM | Link to this

Lew in an earlier post you said the Braves had good speed?? They were dead last in the NL in stolen bases dept. The Mets were first. I disagree with you that stolen bases are over-rated. More stolen based mean more men is scoriing position (oppotunities). It also distracts the pitcher and puts added pressure on the defense. Speeds adds another dimension to you team/offense. Sorry for the disagreement…….

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

January 1, 2007 02:51 PM | Link to this

NYM, I have to agree with you. Speed does so much for an offense. It does distract pitchers. Nobody can tell me that if Jose Reyes is on 1st or 2nd that at least half of the pitcher’s attention is on him. Speed at the top of the lineup that can steal 2nd takes immense pressure off of the #2 hitter. Speed changes the entire approach of how a pitcher attacks an offense. I know many disagree but I think speed can make an offense a hell of a lot better one than an offense that doesn’t have it.

By NYM

January 1, 2007 03:05 PM | Link to this

Robert(JITB), Did you read my post??? I said that speed IS an asset.

By KC

January 1, 2007 03:08 PM | Link to this

Efrim: Here ya go my friend. He looks top 10 to me.

CLOSING RATIOS OVER THE PAST TWO SEASONS:

(of the closers you mentioned that have pitched more than one season as a major league closer)

1. Rivera: 78 of 84 (93%).

2. Nathan: 79 of 86 (92%).

3. Hoffman: 89 of 97 (92%).

4. Wagner: 78 of 86 (91%)

5. Cordero: 76 of 87 (91%).

6. Rodgriguez: 92 of 101 (91%).

7. Wickman: 78 of 87 (90%).

8. BJ Ryan: 74 of 83 (89%).

9. Jones: 78 of 88 (89%).

10. Lidge: 74 of 84 (88%).

11. Isringhausen: 72 of 86 (84%).

Gonzalez, Putz, and Saito were all extremely impressive, but have only pitched one season each as a closer at the major league level. That’s not to say they don’t deserve to be mentioned as premiere closers… but I’ll give them at least one more year before I evaluate them next to multi-year established closers.

Also keep in mind… Wickman as a Brave: 1.04 ERA, converted 18 of 19 save opportunities (95%).

By NYM

January 1, 2007 03:11 PM | Link to this

My bad Robert(JITB), I thought you wrote “Disagreed”…….Sorry Dude.

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

January 1, 2007 03:12 PM | Link to this

So, the Falcons fired Mora. Well, maybe now they can get somebody in here who can structure an offense aroudnd Vick that utilizes his strengths. I know so many hate Vick but the guy is immensely talented and quite honestly doesn’t have the weapons around him. Those receivers are terrible except Crumpler.

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

January 1, 2007 03:13 PM | Link to this

NYM, I wasn’t referring to you. I was referring to those who think hitting leadoff is overrated and that speed doens’t really matter.

By KC

January 1, 2007 03:24 PM | Link to this

Efrim:

No, I don’t expect 20 wins out of Hampton. While it’s very likely that he’ll be just fine health-wise, there’s a good chance that it will take him a little while to shake of the rust.

If I had to guess, I’d say that he’ll be mediocre in the first half (an ERA between 4.00-4.50), and very good in the 2nd half (ERA in the low-3.00 range or better). That’s pretty well in keeping with what Hampton has done since coming to Atlanta anyway. In 03’ and 04’, he was two different pitchers before and after the break. In 2005, he finally came roaring out of the gate, only to wind up on the DL a couple months into the season, and eventually under the knife. Bummer.

Anyway, no… 20 wins would be amazing, but not at all likely. I think the best we should hope for is 15 wins from Hampton this season if all goes very well. For the season as a whole, my prediction would be 14-8, with a 3.80 ERA. The thing Atlanta has to hope is that he will get better and better as the season moves along. If he can really settle in at some point in the 2nd half of the season, it will put the Braves in a great situation heading into September and October.

As for Chipper… he missed 52 games last season, and the Braves were still the best offensive team in the league. Not much is likely to change. He’ll spend time on the DL, and the Braves will still score plenty of runs.

By KC

January 1, 2007 03:31 PM | Link to this

Efrim: To answer your question… no, I would not rather have Wickman than Rivera. But I would rank Wickman in the top-10 of all MLB closers right now (probably right at 10).

If you want to say that there are closers in baseball that are better than Wickman, I won’t argue with you. I agree. But I can’t understand why you keep talking about this guy like he’s chopped liver. A 2.57 ERA and a 90% save-conversion ratio (over the past 2 years) is pretty damned good. And he was almost perfect as a Brave last year. What do you have against this guy? I don’t get it.

The bottom line is that everyone in the Braves dugout, and in the stands for that matter, feels very good when Wickman gets the ball in the 9th. All of the best closers in baseball will get the save 9 out of 10 times. Wickman is among that group.

By Efrim D

January 1, 2007 03:33 PM | Link to this

All the save stats are great. For next year, I take Gonzalez, Saito and Putz over Wickman. But KC, I don’t need statistics. I want your opinion of the top 15 closers in baseball(right now) and where you rank em. This doesnt have to include the statistics over the last few years. Just the player. Personally here is my list

1. Rivera
2. Nathan
3. F. Rodriguez
4. BJ Ryan
5. Wagner
6. Hoffman
7. Lidge
8. Cordero
9. Street
10. Putz
11. Saito
12. Isringhausen
13. Jenks
14. Gonzalez
15. Ray
16. Wickman/Todd Jones

Ive never really seen Bob Wickman get outs in big spots in my life. Now, a lot of these guys havent. Putz, Gonzalez, Ryan, Cordero. Among others. Lidge is bad in a big game. But all of those guys have a lot better stuff than Bob Wickman. If you were to poll people in Baseball, they would take at least 10 guys over Wickman. He is 16 to me. I could easily see him at 11 or 12 in some lists. The top 6 in that list are the BEST closers in the league. You couldn’t argue that. 7-11 to me, are guys just flat out better than the Wickster. The rest you can shuffle around. But Bob Wickman is not a “premiere” or elite closer in this league. Todd Jones reminds me of Bob Wickman. Of course, he shut the door in big games against the Yankees in the postseason. Wickman has not.

By Efrim D

January 1, 2007 03:40 PM | Link to this

I also remember something an ESPN analyst said in a breakdown of the Braves struggles last year. “They can’t pitch”. He went on to say “More importantly, they can’t strike anyone out”. This is a problem the Braves are going to run into next year. I was suprised to see Chuck James punched out 91 in 119 innings. That is pretty solid. But good lord, Hampton and Hudson just don;t miss bats anymore. And their relievers, other than Soriano, don’t either. Im a negative Braves fan if you havent guessed it. Im just jealous of other teams that have guys like Homer Bailey and Phillip Hughes in their system. When we just don’t have power arms. By the way, Baseball America comes out with the Braves Top Ten Prospects list tomorrow. And John Kruk was the ESPN analyst. I don’t love Kruk, but he has a point.

By KC

January 1, 2007 03:53 PM | Link to this

Efrim:

My opinion is not separate from that stats, because my views are based on those stats. Statistics are simply a measurement of results; the facts. And those facts are more accurate than either your opinion or mine.

The reality is that when it comes to save-conversion ratio (and that’s what a closer’s job is all about)… all of the best closers in baseball are within about 4 percentage points of one another. I would be very happy to have nearly any of the closers you mentioned.

If I read in the paper that the Braves traded Wickman straight up for most any of the other closers on your list, I wouldn’t be upset at all. Nor would I be ecstatic (as far as next season is concerned). Most of the other guys on your list would constitute neither significant improvement or a drop-off from Bob Wickman. In my view, you’re asking me if I’d rather have a Benz or a BMW… and my answer is “hell, I’m happy to have either”.

I do prefer Wickman over Jones, Isringhausen, or Lidge (given the season he’s coming off of), but they’re all fine closers as well (assuming Lidge can bounce back).

Now obviously, one thing is that Wickman is getting old. So he’s not our closer of the future… but simply our closer of the present. The Mike Gonzalez trade would put us in a better position for next season (and the one after that), but this year… I think we’re better off keeping LaRoche, know that Soriano and Wickman will do a fine job in the 8th/9th (with some other good arms in the pen as well).

By The Grinch

January 1, 2007 04:07 PM | Link to this

Wickman does not have great stuff, he is old and getting older, and will not likely be as effective this year as he was last year. HOWEVER, he is highly experienced, has good location, is not easily rattled, and when he steps on the mound in the 9th he doesn’t make me reach for the tequilla like our last few “closers.” That works for me.

By KC

January 1, 2007 04:10 PM | Link to this

Efrim:

How long have you been a Braves fan? Do you remember guys named Greg Maddux and Tom Glavine in their prime? In ’94 and ’95, Maddux turned in the most amazing seasons of our generation with ERA’s of around 1.50. He did it with the philosophy of pitching to contact, and allowing your defense to work. Guys who can get outs without necessarily having to have a strikeout can work more efficiently, and usually get better defense from the guys behind him buy keeping them involved and on their toes.

Please don’t tell me you have to strike guys out to be successful. That just ain’t so.

By KC

January 1, 2007 04:13 PM | Link to this

Atlantabraves.com/Mark Bowman: When one looks at the team the Braves will take into the 2007 season, they’ll see a capable offense and a starting rotation that has potential to be one of the NL’s finest. But most importantly, they’ll see that the bullpen, which proved so destructive in 2006, has assumed a seemingly improved look.

Unlike last year, when they hoped a number of unproven arms would provide late-inning reliability, the Braves enter 2007 feeling confident about their bullpen. Bob Wickman, who brought some sanity for the final two months of the 2006 season, returns to serve as the closer and the recently acquired Rafael Soriano comes to Atlanta with some believing that he could be one of the game’s top right-handed middle men. Take into account that Tyler Yates and Macay McBride have matured through last year’s struggles and it’s quite obvious that this bullpen is much different than the one that blew 29 of 67 save opportunities last year.

“We scored plenty of runs to win the division,” said manager Bobby Cox, thinking back to the 2006 season in which his team scored the second-most runs in the NL. “We just didn’t hold people late in the game.”

Last year’s bullpen struggles may have prevented John Smoltz from capturing his second NL Cy Young Award. His 16-win season came despite the fact that the relief corps blew six of the leads that he handed them.

With Smoltz back and Mike Hampton returning from Tommy John elbow reconstruction surgery, the Braves starting rotation consists of three former 20-game winners. Rounding out that trio is Tim Hudson, who coming off two mediocre seasons, has committed himself to proving he can return to his successful ways of the past.

Adding to the rotation’s strength will be the return of Chuck James, who proved to be one of the game’s top rookie pitchers for the final three months of the 2006 season. He’ll likely team with Kyle Davies to provide the rotation with what the Braves hope will prove to be solid depth.

It appears the Braves will once again enter this season without a legitimate leadoff hitter. But because of the success they enjoyed last year, they don’t believe this will prove to be a detriment to their offense, which will once again be powered by the presence of Andruw Jones.

With this quite possibly being Jones’ final year with the Braves, he’ll be looking to compile the big numbers necessary to assure the big payday he’ll receive via free agency. His production will improve if Chipper Jones is finally able to avoid the health problems that have sidelined him for a majority of the previous two seasons.

This lineup will also be strengthened by the returns of Edgar Renteria, Brian McCann and Jeff Francoeur. Entering what will be their second full big-league seasons, Francoeur and McCann should continue to show the maturity that could enable them to be considered among the game’s elite players.

“I really like our team,” Cox said. “If we can stay healthy, we’ve got a chance to win a lot of games.”

By journalist jimmy smith

January 1, 2007 04:18 PM | Link to this

for good toe health, foods high in potassium are recommended. baked potatoe, banana, cantaloupe, lima beans, orange juice (grinch, take note). this is to avoid the dreaded gout that affects the toes of many. famous ballplayers with gout include david wells, steve kline, and kirk rueter (all pitchers? hmmm…). and what if chipper gets the gout in his toe(s)? just a rumor - could be fatal.

now, jim mora is gone and who will come to the falcons as head coach? how about frank beamer? - already knows what to expect from vick and maybe can get everyone playing together.

now, ga tech is scoring a lot of points today. will they score enough? need at least 4 more right now. two safeties?

By Ron Roberts

January 1, 2007 04:22 PM | Link to this

MBATL makes a good point, one that I’ve wondered a lot myself: why can’t Edgar Rentaria be a viable leadoff candidate? The guy hits, hits for average and is capable of delivering extra base-hits, too.

KC, Efrim, can you guys just agree to disagree and get on w/the events of the world? Here’s what we all know, fellas….

Efrim, if you are a Braves fan, you’re about the most pessimistic Braves fan around…

KC, we know you are a Braves fan, but you might well be the most optimistic Braves fan around…

..you’re on opposite ends of the spectrum. Staunch republicans and democrats agree more than you two.

So leave it at that, guys. Ya both make quantiative opinions, based on various stats, and you both use ‘em to prove your point(s). Great.

Meanwhile, there’s a ton of great football games on, the Falcons need a new head coach, the Thrashers are in first place (still!!!) and there’s a whole world going on outside this blog.

Go Braves!

Oh, and I mean no disrespect… this is just carrying on for-ever.

By KC

January 1, 2007 04:25 PM | Link to this

ajc.com/Walter Reeves:

Wooden nest eggs work best with laying hens

Q: I have four laying hens, but I am an amateur at country life. The birds range free during the day. Someone told me to leave an egg marked with an “X” in the nest that the chickens use most for laying. I boiled an egg and placed it in a nest. After a few days the egg with the “X” was gone. Did a snake take it?

A: Putting false eggs in a nest is a time-honored way to attract laying hens to one spot, so they don’t scatter them across their range. This is the origin of the term “nest egg.” We commonly found snakes in the chicken houses of my family’s farm. A snake might be the culprit in your henhouse, but a possum is more likely — the rotten egg smell would be very attractive. Cold weather limits the movement of snakes. Next time, buy a couple of wooden eggs from a craft store, paint them white and mark them with an “X.” That will make them unattractive to possums and, if a snake swallows it, it will have a terrible case of indigestion!

By KC

January 1, 2007 04:33 PM | Link to this

The only caveat I would interject into Mark Bowman’s column would be the “Hudson coming off two mediocre seasons” thing.

As I’ve pointed out many times… Hudson’s 05’ season was mediocre by Tim Hudson standards, but very good by MLB standards.

As for the rest of it… I completely concur.

By Stinky

January 1, 2007 04:34 PM | Link to this

This blog is full of laying hens. Go Tigers!

By journalist jimmy smith

January 1, 2007 04:41 PM | Link to this

oh, well … stinky is back. journalist out. happy new year everybody!

By AdirondackDave

January 1, 2007 04:41 PM | Link to this

DOB — What are your thoughts about the question of Renteria leading off? Bobby feels that he is an ideal #2 hitter because he handles the bat so well, can move the runner along, as well as hit for a good average. In fact, however, Renteria seems to do well wherever he hits. I remember him being a strong #6 hitter for a while in St. Louis. This guy is a mature, talented, team player and I would guess you could bat him anywhere from 1-7 other than clean-up and do ok. Am I wrong?

By AdirondackDave

January 1, 2007 04:53 PM | Link to this

DOB — What are your thoughts about the question of Renteria leading off? Bobby feels that he is an ideal #2 hitter because he handles the bat so well, can move the runner along, as well as hit for a good average. In fact, however, Renteria seems to do well wherever he hits. I remember him being a strong #6 hitter for a while in St. Louis. This guy is a mature, talented, team player and I would guess you could bat him anywhere from 1-7 other than clean-up and do ok. Am I wrong?

By Efrim D

January 1, 2007 05:06 PM | Link to this

KC, Stay away from Dayn Perry’s article on Foxsports.com. You would be very dissapointed. His last paragraph made me upset.

By KC

January 1, 2007 05:15 PM | Link to this

The 4:25 post was not made by me. Very funny though.

RonRoberts, yeah but if we all start agreeing, this blog will get boring in a hurry. =)

By Wayne in Utah

January 1, 2007 05:21 PM | Link to this

Adirondack Excellent points on Rent-a-SS. I suspect if nobody else proves head and shoulders above the rest of the leadoff candidates (2B and LF), that they may give Edgar a shot at leadoff.

What a pleasant acquisition he has turned out to be, especially with the Bosox paying part of his salary. I would love to see him get a day off about 2x per month though. I think that would help him down the stretch )(also would help Frenchie too).

Happy New Year all.

By KC

January 1, 2007 05:30 PM | Link to this

Efrim:

Well you know now that you’ve said that, I’m going to have to read it out of curiosity! LOL!

By Lew

January 1, 2007 05:39 PM | Link to this

NYM-Did you see my earlier post on stolen bases and playoff teams? Only one player in the WS had over 20SB and he was on the losing team. The Mets had two players with more than 2oSB, the Padres had 3 and they didn’t make it out of the league playoffs. As a matter of fact, 13 of the 24 players in ALL of MLB with 20 or more SB, didn’t even make it to the playoffs. The Braves never won a playoff series with Rafael Furcal’s speed. Apparently they don’t translate to ultimate victory, do they? As far as what I said about the Braves speed was that they had good team speed-not that they stole bases. They were good at taking the extra base and good at running the bases in general. For example, watch Andruw go from first to third as opposed to from home to first. I think you would be surprised at the difference.

By Lew

January 1, 2007 05:44 PM | Link to this

Grinch-Tofu is not an edible substance, despite rumors to the contrary.

By KC

January 1, 2007 05:47 PM | Link to this

Efrim: Okay… I read it. Hey, Dayn Perry’s an idiot. I’ve known that for a while. Frankly, I think there are many national writers who really aren’t paying much attention. They look at it on the surface, and say “all they did was add Soriano”. It appears to them that not much will have changed, but I think that’s far from the truth.

A number of things are likely to be different in ’07:

• The Braves had 3 or 4 starters on the DL at any given time last year. Pretty hard to win that way. The two most injury prone starters are gone (Thompson and Ramirez), which will strengthen the reliability of the starting staff.

• A healthy Mike Hampton will make his return after a full 18 month recovery.

• Hudson is likely to pitch better.

• Atlanta will have the benefit of Chuck James in the rotation for a full season. He won 11 games in only 18 starts last season.

• Bob Wickman and Soriano will be waiting in the pen on opening day. That’s a slight improvement on the dynamic duo of Remlinger and Reitsma, don’t you think! lol

• An experienced Macay McBride and Tyler Yates will give the Braves solid middle relief. This isn’t totally different from 06’, since they were very good toward the end of the season, but the Braves certainly didn’t have that on opening day last year. And Villarreal was a different pitcher by the end of last season, seemingly having regained is Arizona form (1.42 ERA in 19 innings in Sept).

• Blaine Boyer, 3.11 ERA in 05’ (regarded as possible future closer), will be healthy and back in the bullpen.

People like Dayn Perry are casual observers, and are not looking very closely at what the Braves have. I think Mark Bowman’s column outlined it nicely. Maybe I should email it to Dayn to help him get a clue.

By Wayne in Utah

January 1, 2007 06:06 PM | Link to this

It seems that Dayn (I can’t spell worth a darn) Perry has written another glowing report on his beloved Mets. Why doesn’t he just come out and say he has a man crush on Omar and all the Mets.

Oh, well, I suppose that’s what makes this time of year so interesting.

KC I guess with the O’s picking up Huff, that negates their desire for LaRoche. Also, you were correct in the prior article/blogs that we are now firmly in the drivers seat. I would think that we should offer LaRoche and Langerhans for Gonzo and Duffy, and see if he bites. If we get Duffy, he is almost as good an OF as Langerhans, and probably a better hitting prospect. 26 of 27 SB’s last year, and a killer year in ‘05. I think the kid has a huge upside. Doesn’t guarantee success, but heck, what does?

By David O'Brien

January 1, 2007 06:32 PM | Link to this

AdirondackDave, it’s not just Bobby who feels that way about Renteria. Ask anyone in baseball who in today’s game is an excellent No. 2 hitter, and Renteria will be in just about everyone’s top five. None other than Marcus Giles told me last year for a story I did on Edgar that he (Edgar) had the best bat control of anyone he (Giles) ever saw, and that he was perfect in the 2-hole because he can hit behind runners and punch balls through the right side of the infield as if it’s easy, which it’s obviously not, as you can tell watching most other hitters try to do it when they’re in an obvious situation calling for such situational hitting.

Could he hit leadoff? I have no doubt he could, and probably do it pretty well. But not as well as he does at No. 2. Maybe they’ll try it if there’s just no other options, but I ask you, by taking Renteria out of his best spot (and yes, he was also real good with St. Louis hitting down in the order at No. 6) and batting him leadoff, where he’s not hit very much in his career, aren’t you doing the same thing that you did to Giles last year, when you took him out of his best spot (No. 2) and had him hit leadoff?

Only this time, you’d be doing it when you don’t have a better No. 2 hitter (Renteria is a better No. 2 hitter than Giles, but who on this roster is even close to the No. 2 hitter that Renteria is?)

By Efrim D

January 1, 2007 06:34 PM | Link to this

Yea Im not a fan of Perry. But understand that our point of views are a little different man. You are a Braves fan. Im a Braves fan. I just can’t wait for all of the predictions for 2007 to come out. I have to guess that people such as Peter Gammons and Buster Olney are going to pick the Mets or Phillies to win the division. They are sure not casual observers.

By Larry

January 1, 2007 06:36 PM | Link to this

As a father of two (8 & 5 yrs) prescious daughters, I can only hope the guy in the truck was introduced to a tree a few seconds afterward.

Sad. Very, very sad!

By reality

January 1, 2007 06:42 PM | Link to this

Teams that lead the league in stolen bases win 90 games 32% of the time. Teams that finish last in stolen bases win 90 games 25% of the time. Stolen bases have almost no impact on wins and losses. The ‘95 team was the slowest we’ve had over the last 16 years.

By Ron Roberts

January 1, 2007 06:44 PM | Link to this

Why is Hudson likely to pitch better?

We’d LIKE for Hudson to pitch better, but we can wish in one hand and crap in the other, and see which one fills up first, folks.

Chuck (I’m Rick) James (b!tch!) should be a valuable starter, but the Braves thought that of Craig McMurtry once, too, after a stellar rookie season.

Macay McBride and Tyler Yates should get better with their experience, but (see Chuck James above).

Listen, I think the team’s vastly improved over last season, just with Wickman in the ‘pen; but I’m a realist, too. Expecting too much from question marks like Hampton, Hudson, James ( aka 60% of the starting rotation ) is risky. Will they come through for Atlanta? They should, but that’s no lock; so I understand why nobody latches onto Atlanta as a preseason NL East pick.

By Efrim D

January 1, 2007 06:49 PM | Link to this

DOB, don’t you think the Braves could go with a lineup of

SS Renteria C McCann 3B C Jones CF A Jones 1B Laroche RF Francouer LF Langerhans/Diaz/Thorman 2B Prado/K Johnson/Aybar

I just feel like Laroche’s potential can be realized if he hits higher in the batting order. McCann would do well in the 2 hole. He can handle the bat pretty well. Although this would make the team have less balance, it would make the Braves have a great 1-6. I just dont see Prado/Johnson/Aybar taking the lead off spot and running with it. What do you think?

By Efrim D

January 1, 2007 06:58 PM | Link to this

I agree 100 Percent with Ron Roberts. Atlanta should be better, but can you really fault analysts and fans for being doubters of this team. How in the world can you think Hudson is going to be better. Of course what is better??? KC, what do you think Tim Hudson’s stats will be next year. In my mind, I want 17-8 3.30 era 220 innings pitched 195 hits given up 160 strike outs 60 walks. KC, will Tim Hudson put this line up next year? I also want to ask you what you think Chuck James line will be.

By AdirondackDave

January 1, 2007 07:02 PM | Link to this

Dave — Those are all excellent points you make about Edgar’s work as a #2 hitter. There is something that still puzzles me though. If I remember correctly, Bobby has either said or implied that getting a good lead-off hitter really isn’t all that important to this club. After all, we scored plenty of runs last year.

At the same time, even though JS has stated that pitching improvement is the priorty, the Pittsburgh talks apparently were/are hung-up over Duffy, the prospective lead-off guy, who clearly is secondary considering what Gonzo brings to the table.

Another thought, in the event circumstances did lead Bobby to move Renteria into the lead-off spot, how about moving Chipper up to #2 with McCann #3? Chipper’s OBP numbers are great and, over the course of the season, it would give him perhaps a few dozen more ABs. Couldn’t McCann succeed at #3 with Andruw #4, LaRoche #5, Frenchy #6 and so on? Works for me… Just as an aside, I remember Walker batting #2 sometimes in that fine Cards line-up a few years ago. As I say, just a thought.

By kinley

January 1, 2007 07:12 PM | Link to this

Ron, it’s not just a stellar rookie season that has the Braves confident about Chuck James. He’s dominated in the minors everywhere he’s played. Look at his ERA numbers over three levels of the minors in ‘05

By The Grinch

January 1, 2007 07:16 PM | Link to this

KC, you’ve mentioned Hampton and Hudson should pitch better, but you didn’t list any statistics or reasons as to why. Could you perhaps explain something to us about how long it takes to fully recover from Tommy John surgury, or perhaps a comparison of Hudson’s numbers percentage wise vs. the rest of the league that might shut those of us up who think he’s mediocre based on what we’ve watched? And how do you feel about the state of the bullpen? :-)

Lew, tofu must be edible; I’ve seen it at the grocery store. Of course, I’ve also seen Brillo pads, tampons, rat poison and Miracle Whip at the grocery too, so I suppose that’s a bad example.

By Ron

January 1, 2007 07:38 PM | Link to this

KC, Efrim D, Did yall read Dayn Perrys article from May of 2005, It was very very interresting. He talked about when he was in college how he hated the Braves and Loved the Cardinals, and remembered back in 96, how the Braves came back to win the pennant. If you have not read it, the article takes a total 180 degree turn. A dude from this morning about 1 something has a Link to it, find it and read about it.

By ncscoots

January 1, 2007 07:38 PM | Link to this

Maybe I’ve given the wrong impression of my opinion about speed. It’s not as if I prefer slow players to quick ones, heck no. But Lew has the ticket…team speed is not the same thing as a base-stealing threat. I don’t see the speedy-base-stealing-leadoff crowd making any differentiation. My point all along has been that the offensive effectiveness of a base-stealing threat hitting leadoff is overvalued by some on the blog. Consider:

1. Leadoff guy reaches, steals a base to reach scoring position, but no runs score in the inning. The SB is offensively meaningless.
2. Leadoff guy reaches, steals a base to reach scoring position, and scores the only run of the inning. Speed created the run.
3. Leadoff guy reaches, steals a base, and MORE than one run scores in the inning. The SB is offensively meaningless, the player would have scored without it.
4. Leadoff guy reaches, is caught stealing, and at least one run scores in the inning. Speed COST a run.

A SB success rate of less than 75% will COST as many runs as it creates. Base-stealing looks great, it’s exciting, and I love to see it myself as a fan. But to risk losing a baserunner (and an out) on THIS offensive squad, especially before the fifth inning, would be risk without comparable reward, IMO.

Oh, and the thing about speed distracts the pitcher? Probably true, but it doesn’t acutally translate into offensive production. Otherwise, Paul LoDuca’s OBP would always be higher when Reyes was on 1B than in most other offensive situations. Don’t think that’s the case.

See, It’s not that I think a fast leadoff hitter is a BAD thing, just not quite the GREAT, ESSENTIAL, WE’RE-DOOMED-WITHOUT-ONE thing that others do. The success of this team will not hinge on the player hitting after the national anthem, folks.

By Greg in TN

January 1, 2007 07:38 PM | Link to this

Happy New Year folks…

Hey DOB, thanks for the update. Hope to see Reitsma bounce back in his new locale, wherever that may be. I don’t doubt for one minute that he’s a great guy and the folks in Cincy loved him. It just didn’t work out here. It happens. I am with you, I do hope that folks here just let it go if he moves to another NL team or an AL team that visits the Ted next season. Say what you want about the guy, but he did not deserve what the chump in the pickup did to him in front of his daughter. In the stadium, I think they’re fair game, however outside of the ballpark, people tend to forget these guys have lives too.

The Schoeneweis idea is very intriguing to me. I’m all for signing him or Villone or someone similarly hard on lefties and keep LaRoche in red shirts on Sundays in Georgia.

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

January 1, 2007 07:42 PM | Link to this

Let me say this about closers. While I like a guy who can throw 95-98mph heat I will just easily take a guy who can throw strikes and get outs with groundballs. Yes, guys like Wagner and Rivera are great but Trevor Hoffman has been doing it for over ten years and he isn’t a 95-98mph heat guy. And the thing about a guy like Wickman he is much less prone to “wild streaks” like a fireballer is.

By mr baseball

January 1, 2007 07:42 PM | Link to this

While we’re on the topic of batting orders, a few thoughts. The Braves do not need a leadoff hitter. They didn’t have a real one when they won the WS in ‘95, and Renteria is likely better suited to that role now than Grissom (low OBP numbers) was then.

Unless you have a Pierre/Reyes/Podsednik type hitting first, there is no “role” for a No. 2 hitter. That role was essentially invented by Jim Gilliam hitting behind Maury Wills. Since then, baseball people have come to the conclusion that a No. 2 hitter HAS to fit that role. But if the leadoff hitter doesn’t steal a lot of bases, the No. 2 hitter doesn’t need to take pitches, hit behind the runner, bunt, etc.

Considering the four guys hitting behind him (assuming LaRoche isn’t traded), Chipper would make a nice No. 2 hitter on this team, followed by LaRoche, Andruw, McCann and Francoeur. McCann is simply too slow to hit higher in the lineup. The problem is, Cox is much too conventional in his thinking, and is unlikely to consider that lineup, even if Chipper agrees to hit 2nd. That would result in Johnson/Prado/Aybar, whoever hits leadoff, getting 140 or so more plate appearances than LaRoche, which is nuts.

The GM’s history of trading for speed/ a leadoff hitter (the Lofton, Tucker, Sanders/Veras deals) has been disastrous. So was his decision to go without a legitimate hitter at 1B for several years before LaRoche arrived. He seems intent on repeating one or both mistakes.

With Andruw heading out of town after this season, the Braves DO NOT need to be trading a young, relatively inexpensive power hitter for a reliever, even one as good as Gonzalez. With the exception of a lefty reliever and a veteran bat off the bench, the Braves are OK as they are, even with the ? at 2nd base. Come sprng training, the Brewers will be looking to deal Graffanino and the Cubs will be looking to unload one of their LH relievers, so those holes can be filled later. For the other, Eduardo Perez would fit the bill, providing he comes cheap, which appears to be the overriding factor for potential Braves free agents.

Lots of Braves fans complain that Cox doesn’t bunt enough. The problem is he bunts too much with guys who can hit, and it probably cost the Braves the ‘05 playoff series against the Astros. With 2 on & no outs in the 15th against a tired Wheeler, Cox had Francoeur bunt, which resulted in the inevitable intentional walk to Langerhans. Cox took the bat out of the hands of two of the Braves hottest hitters at the time and gave up an out in the process, leaving things up to McCann, who had already caught 14 innings, and Orr. We all remember what happened.

Cox is almost always going to go by baseball’s hallowed book, which is why anything the slightest bit unconventional (Chipper hitting 2nd) is unlikely to occur. Too bad.

By Wayne in Utah

January 1, 2007 07:43 PM | Link to this

Adirondack It’s not so much about Duffy as it is about getting value for value. Dave makes great points on the Rent-a-SS batting leadoff points. I suspect we need to hope one of our 2B/LF people are suitable for that spot. You don’t really have another choice (the Jones boys, Frenchie, McCann and LaRoche are definitely not leadoff men, and too valuable as run producers.)

By the way, what percentage of innings does a lead off hitter actually lead off? My guess would be around 25% or so??? So, in my mind, that says that Johnson or Aybar or anybody with a half decent OBP would work, and wouldn’t need to be a SB threat. Can you say: LaRoche and Langerhans for Duffy and Gonzalez?

By kinley

January 1, 2007 07:46 PM | Link to this

I would eat any of those things mentioned above before I’d eat tofu.

By Ron

January 1, 2007 07:48 PM | Link to this

Grinch, dude I think that with Hudson’s offseason workout he will be much improved(pure speculation though, and of cource I could be wrong), and Hampton has had like 18 months to recover, should be good to go(but again pure speculation).

By Ron

January 1, 2007 08:02 PM | Link to this

Mr Baseball, great point about LaRoche, the Braves have not had a TRUE 1B since Gallarraga, and LaRoche finnally came through last year. No way we can trade LaRoche, especially when Andruw leaves next season, and he will leave. Great point about Grissom, Some people on this Blog are obsessed with speedy leadoff men, Furcal never helped them in the Playoffs! And you were talkin about those bad trades for a leadoff guy, EXACTLY, They lost Dye for Tucker and Lockhart, was not worth that(Dyes career would be alot better if he did not break his leg in a playoff game while playing with the A’s, finally healthy again). The Braves trading LaRoche for Figgins and whoever else, that is not a Pitcher, whatever people. Yall are crazy if yall like that trade.

By Jared

January 1, 2007 08:04 PM | Link to this

Is Chris Duffy really the hold-up? He’s not really that good and everyone knows it’s Mike Gonzalez the Braves really want. If these talks exist, why not just pull the trigger before the Red Sox, Yankees or Indians swoop in and get Gonzalez? Duffy ain’t worth that risk. I’d rather Diaz play left anyways.

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

January 1, 2007 08:12 PM | Link to this

Ron, I’m sure Mr. Perry likes the Braves but his love for the Mets is more than obvious. How am I supposed to take someone seriously who suggests that Minaya is a genius because he resigned Jose Valentin to play 2nd and because he signed Moises Alou who has spent more time on the DL in the last three years than the ever critcized Chipper Jones has? The Glavine signing was nice but that only happened because the Braves never made an offer. Glavine made it quite clear that his preference was to come back to Atlanta. Now, I think Minaya is a good GM and has finally brought some sense to that position. Truthfully, Steve Phillips wasn’t that bad. However, it isn’t necessarily a stroke of genius to simply throw the most money at Beltran, Pedro, and more or less Delgado. The Mets made that trade because they could afford his contract. Like Cashman in New York and even Epstein in Boston, yes they are good GMs but would they be as good if they had to operate like Billy Beane or Terry Ryan or how JS is having to operate now?

Perry is basically saying that despite all the Mets problems and holes the other teams in the NL East are so bad that the Mets will still have no problems winning. At the moment this divison is too close to call and I won’t be surprised if the Mets finish 4th. We’ll see how good and how smart of a GM Minaya is now. He needs a starter in the worst way. Will he swing a shrewd deal or will he give away the farm? By the way, any deal with the A’s will involve him giving away the farm.

By The Grinch

January 1, 2007 08:15 PM | Link to this

Kinley, I would too except for the Miracle Whip.

Ron, my comment towards KC was meant to be sarcastic. I think he’s treated us to the same 5 paragraph essay on Hampton, Hudson, and the reason the bullpen will be better just about every day now since mid-october.

KC, you know I love ya though, man, and I agree with just about everything you say except for the assertion that Hudson’s been great the last couple of years. There’s optimism, and then there’s “My Hudson, right or wrong.” But, I’m sure you and his mom know better than the rest of us. :-)

By journalist jimmy smtih

January 1, 2007 08:17 PM | Link to this

let’s say you have a player who uses the toe-tap when at the plate and the player bats third in the lineup. someone on a blog suggests moving this toe-tapping player to bat second without regard to how many times he will be tapping the toes or how many toes he will be tapping. and he must now do this earlier in the game - and perhaps more times in every game! see, this makes no sense. why move a toe-tapper with bad toes? thanks for allowing this observation.

By AdirondackDave

January 1, 2007 08:26 PM | Link to this

Wayne in Utah — I don’t have a problem with trading LaRoche and Langerhans for Gonzo and Duffy. I think it would improve us for ‘07. I would be concerned about ‘08 and then losing Andruw and their combined production and defense. Of Course, Andruw’s money could be spent hopefully on power, but would it? JS might spend it on a possibly seriously aging Smoltz. We all like AJ, but he may be one of those rare players who you don’t fully appreciate until he’s doing it for somebody else! I think somehow JS has to do this magic: find a way to keep AJ and Smoltz to retirement… even if it means unloading an improving (hopefully) Hudson or Hampton.

Not to minimize the great contributions of Chipper or Smoltz but Andruw is the closest thing to Hank we are likely to see in our lifetime, and in someways (notably defense) even better. For my 3-generation family of Braves fans, right down to my grandson, Andruw has almost BECOME the Braves. Smoltz and Chipper seem very likely to retire as Braves. AJ will require some serious effort and creative work by JS. We hope this is his goal.

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

January 1, 2007 08:27 PM | Link to this

Jared, the Red Sox or Yankees won’t swoop in and snatch Gonzales up because neither one of them match up well with the Pirates and that is why they were trying to work a three way with the Braves. I would do a trade with the Red Sox but only if we got Youklis, which somehow I doubt the Red Sox would give him up. Actually, if the Red Sox would give up Breslow or Hansen it would have to be worth considering. Unless a miracle from heaven comes down and a Baldelli or Rios trade can be made, I think JS is content on going into spring training with the current roster. I don’t necessarily agree with that strategy but won’t really knock it either. It may be worth waiting until spring training when teams have a better sense of their teams to make deals anyway. The Angels are a good example. If Kotchman or Morales don’t get it done at 1st, the Angels may be more willing to give away one of their pitchers because they need LaRoche’s bat. Where the Pirates are concerned JS is already in the driver’s seat.

Now, DOB and everyone else, I read Saturday that the acquistion of Huff may cause the O’s to think about trading Corey Patterson. Would Patterson be a good addition to this team? Could the Braves somehow pry him and Penn from the O’s for LaRoche and a prospect? Huff will likely play DH or play LF so their problem at 1st base hasn’t really been solved. Just wondering.

By Ron

January 1, 2007 08:35 PM | Link to this

Robert, you said Omar is a good GM. He is a Slug dude, I think he is worst than Littlefield, hard to believe that. If a trade happens period, he will have to trade away the farm, especially knowing Omar SLUG Minaya, gave away the farm for Colon when he was the Expos GM and trading him a year later getting absolutely NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!! He never won or even came close to winning when he was with the Expos with a similar budget as the A’s, and Twins, and both those teams have a winning tradition with those GM’s. Omar is a damn BUM!!!!

By KC

January 1, 2007 08:37 PM | Link to this

WayneInUtah:

I think you are correct. I seriously doubt if the Orioles motivation to deal for LaRoche is what it would have been had they not signed Huff.

I would be be in favor of a LaRoche for Gonzo/Duffy trade, but it doesn’t look like that’s going to happen. Pittsburgh isn’t willing to part with both.

By Efrim D

January 1, 2007 08:43 PM | Link to this

I wouldn’t give up Laroche to the Orioles unless Ray was included. Ray and Penn would be the package I would ask for. Then send Ray or James to the D Rays for Baldelli.

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

January 1, 2007 09:00 PM | Link to this

Here’s my objective view of the Braves upcoming season.

This team is a good team that has the potential to be a great team. If they stand pat with the roster, several questions will abound no doubt about it. Second base will be the biggest question with Kelly Johnson and Martin Prado fighting it out. Johnson is a better offensive choice, but Prado is the better defensive candidate. If Johnson, who is working with Glen Hubbard, can show he can play adequate defense the job will be his to lose.

Despite what some believe the leadoff position is a concern. Unless a leadoff hitter is obtained, which seems more and more doubtful with every passing day, the winner of the 2B job will get the nod.

The Braves also have an issue in left field. Incumbents Scott Thorman, Matt Diaz, and Ryan Langerhans will fight it out, but rookies Gregor Blanco and TJ Bohn could provide Bobby Cox with some very interesting and tough decisions. Truthfully, the competition could be a plus for the Braves. If all five play extremely well in the spring then they could be trade pieces to fill other holes. In Blanco’s case a good spring could land him the leadoff job.

The Braves starting rotation is full of questions. Will Tim Hudson bounce back and be the Tim Hudson of the Oakland A’s? Can Smoltz continue to defy age and produce Cy Young type performances like he did on most nights last season? Is Mike Hampton, who missed all of the 2006 season with Tommy John surgery, truly healthy and will he revert back to the Mike Hampton who was more than dominant before the injury? Was rookie Chuck James’ 2006 performance a fluke or the real deal? Will Kyle Davies pitch like the Davies of 2005 and was his poor performance in September due to not being completely healed from his injury? If any of these guys falter can Lance Cormier pitch like he did down the stretch of 2006? Will Matt Harrison and Anthony Lerew put it together in be with the Braves sooner than later?

The biggest question mark going into 2006 may actually be the only solid facet of the team in 2007. The bullpen. With the additions of closer Bob Wickman and premiere setup guy, Rafeal Soriano, the Braves bullpen is decidedly better. Youngsters Macay McBride, Tyler Yates, and Chad Parronto should be better and battle tested after a rough year last year. Actually, Yates and Parronto got better as the season went along and went from being “last ditch efforts to restore the bullpen” to pitchers that actaully solidifed roles on the roster. Oscar Villereal will also be back. Villereal did an excellent job spot starting and in long relief and showed fewer and fewer after affects of a surgery that kept him out almost all of 2005. The Braves are also attempting to acquire Pirate closer, Mike Gonzales, whom would make the Braves’ bullpen the best in the NL if he is acquired.

The Braves offense should be fine. They scored the second most runs and had the second highest average in the National League and all of this despite bouts with run droughts and Chipper Jones missing a third of the season. The offense not only features Jones but centerfielder Andruw Jones who figures to put up huge numbers considering this is his free agent walk year. Brian McCann, who might be very well the best catcher in the National League, is coming off a season where he almost won the batting title and did win a Silver Slugger award. The kid has a great approach at the plate and while it is unrealistic to expect him to hit over .330 again, he is more than capable of hitting over .300 and has some very subtle power. Adam LaRoche put himself on the map last season with a great breakout season and only figures to get better. Phenom Jeff Francoeur struggled most of the season in 2006, but showed a flair for the dramatic by continuously coming up with big hits to tie and win games. He did drive in over 100 RBI from the sixth hole in the lineup. His biggest flaw was his low OBP, which was directly due to his inability to take walks. However, the last month of the season Francoeur showed a lot more patience and was able to raise his average to .260 and his on-base percentage to .293 when for awhile it was questioned if he could even get it over .280. The kid has a lot of talent and is poised to have a breakout season.

The fact is the team has a lot of “what-ifs”. However, it cannot be expected to have things go wrong in 2007 like they did in 2006. The Braves missed more games due to injury by the end of June in 2006 than they had each in 2004 and 2005 for the entire seasons. The addition of Wily Aybar will allow more rest time for Chipper Jones, which will likely keep him off of the DL. If things go okay for the Braves they will finish third. If things go as right in 2007 as they did wrong in 2006, this team will win the NL East and contend for the World Series.

By KC

January 1, 2007 09:02 PM | Link to this

Efrim: I really don’t know what to predict for Hudson, except to say that I think he’ll be significantly than last year. I guess I expect to see his ERA drop by at least a full run. I think Tim Hudson will at least revert to his ’04/’05 form, when he finished with a very good 3.50 ERA both seasons. In fairness to Huddy, he was playing hurt most of both seasons, which makes his ERA’s those years somewhat impressive in my book.

In an era where guys with ERA’s in the high 3.00’s (Zito, Glavine, D.Willis, etc.) are called “aces”… a 3.50 ERA would be just fine. If Huddy really rounds back into form, then I believe the numbers you mentioned earlier are not hard to imagine. Anything’s possible from Huddy, but the only thing I’m comfortable predicting for Hudson is an ERA well under 4.00, and something close to 15 wins.

As for Chuck James… how bout’ 15-7 with a 3.78 ERA.

A couple weeks ago, I posted some predictions for the Braves and Mets rotations (though back then, I hypothetically placed Zito in their rotation). I was criticized by some for projecting too many 15 game winners, but honestly… I think any half way decent starter pitching for either the Mets or Braves will have an excellent chance at a 15 win season, because both teams are likely to have excellent bullpens and excellent offenses. And that’s all you need (run support and bullpen support) to win a lot of ballgames if you’re worth anything as a starter. I think the Braves will have at least three 15 game winners this season, and the Mets will have at least two.

By TLJ

January 1, 2007 09:03 PM | Link to this

Guys, we should not trade LaRoche unless we receive equal compensation.
Mike Gonzalez even up is not equal compensation. If Pittsburg wants to throw in Gorzelanny and a prospect or Duffy then JS should make the deal. Otherwise let them sign Trot Nixon and finish last in their in division. We should treat trading LaRoche like TB is treating the trade of Baldelli. Knock our socks off or don’t call us back.

I would make the trade with Baltimore (Penn and Ray) but I don’t think they are interested. The same with TB, they will not trade Baldelli without James being involved. There is no way we can trade him.

The Braves will be okay with the team we currently have.

By Ron

January 1, 2007 09:06 PM | Link to this

Efrim D, You would like the Braves to trade James for Baldelli. No way, maybe Ray, maybe, but no damn way that I involve James, no way!!!

By Jared

January 1, 2007 09:09 PM | Link to this

“Then send Ray or James to the D Rays for Baldelli.”

I would guess only about 2% of Braves would trade James for Baldelli. But that small minority bothers me in that they can actually suggest trading a good, cheap young lefty, in this market, for an outfielder the Braves really don’t need. It makes me really glad that a sane man like Schuerholz is general manager as I know he wouldn’t trade for Baldelli if it meant losing James (don’t know about Davies.)

I wouldn’t trade Chris Ray if we got him either, but that trade is dead on arrival now that the Orioles have Huff.

By KC

January 1, 2007 09:10 PM | Link to this

Efrim: I know you’re not all that high on Chuck James, but the Braves are. And so are many other GM’s in baseball covet him. I think the general consensus in the baseball world is that Chuck James is the real deal and figures to be a quality starter for a long time.

Particularly with the Braves winter mission of strengthening the pitching staff… there’s no way James would be sent to the D-Rays for Baldelli. I’m not even sure that they would give him up for Carl Crawford.

And if the Braves acquire someone like Ray or Gonzalez for LaRoche, it will be with the intention of keeping that guy and strengthening the pitching staff.

The Braves might trade offense to get pitching, but the opposite is not likely to happen.

By MBATL

January 1, 2007 09:14 PM | Link to this

Robert, please, no Corey Patterson! He can steal bases, but he’s a strikeout machine and can’t get on base. Over the past 3 years, 380 K’s against just 89 walks, and a .299 OBP. We don’t need a base-stealer that bad.

By David O'Brien

January 1, 2007 09:19 PM | Link to this

Efrim, I don’t want someone as slow as McCann batting second in the order. No way. And I don’t want him worrying so frequently about hitting behind the runner, advancing guys, etc, I want him doing exactly what he did last year _ hitting line drives all over the place and driving in guys.

Dude hit better than anybody in baseball last season with RISP and two outs by a huge margin, McCann batting .471 to next-best in that category Albert Pujols’ .435 (I’m still amazed by that stat).

So why would you want to bat him second, where he’d have far fewer such opportunities, while also clogging up the bases?

By TheSouthernJackAss

January 1, 2007 09:24 PM | Link to this

and you tell me to get a life???…

By David O'Brien

January 1, 2007 09:24 PM | Link to this

Adirondack Dave, of the things I can say with reasonable assurance about the upcoming season, one is that Chipper Jones will not be batting second. Ever.

Larry Walker hit second at the end of his career in a Cardinals lineup that was arguably the most loaded lineup in the league in recent memory, in the rare times when they were all healthy.

By KC

January 1, 2007 09:30 PM | Link to this

Ron Roberts: My reasoning for believing Hudson will bounce back has nothing to do with what I want to believe. There are several factors that lead me to believe that he’ll be much better in 07’. I mentioned these things many times, but as per GRINCHY’s special request =) I’ll touch on those reasons one more time.

First of all, I’ve said it a million times, but it bears repeating… 2006 was the first and only poor season of Hudson’s career. In 04’ and 05’ he was playing hurt, and still finished top-15% in MLB in ERA. If a player sucks for 7 years, and then has one good year, we wouldn’t start referring to that pitcher as an ace. We would be reluctant to put too much stock in one season. Yet when you flip that scenario upside down, that’s exactly what many are doing in Hudson’s case… putting an awful lot of stock in one poor season, and pronouncing him a washed up ace, now no better than 3rd or 4th starter.

Hudson’s 2006 season was an enigma. No satisfactory reason for his struggles. He was healthy and his velocity/stuff was still there… he was simply “out of sync”. He had mechanical issues with probably turned into mental issues after a while. Anyway, I was curious if there was any precedent for this sort of thing (an ace in his prime struggling one season for no apparent reason), so a few months ago, I hit MLB.com and started looking at career stats of various pitchers. I looked at pretty much every pitcher who had consistently finished top-10 in ERA at any point in the last 25 years. What I found was very encouraging.

I saw a number of instances of seasons similar to Hudson’s 06’ season in the careers of people like Clemens, Smoltz, Mussina (back in his more dominant Baltimore days), Kevin Brown, and a few others. Numerous aces in recent baseball history had a year in their prime where they were healthy, but struggled for no apparent reason. In every single similar case I could find, that pitcher bounced right back the following season. After seeing those numbers, I feel confident in saying that history is on Hudson’s side.

Aside from that, I simply look at the fact that he’s healthy, still young, and very determined after embarrassing himself in 06’. I can’t predict the future, and I’m not expecting a Cy Young season from Hudson. But for these reasons, I believe it’s more likely than not that Hudson will perform much better next season.

By David O'Brien

January 1, 2007 09:33 PM | Link to this

Did someone really suggest Penn and COREY PATTERSON for LaRoche and a prospect? Seriously?…

Mr. Baseball, I like a lot of your suggestions and agree with you on most of your overall outlook. But again, I would be shocked to see Chipper Jones bat second.

By the way, he doesn’t even like batting fourth. I’m guessing second is not high on the desirable options list for Hoss. He loves hitting third.

By Efrim D

January 1, 2007 09:39 PM | Link to this

DOB, Laroche should hit higher in the order. That is my point. If you want to do this batting order:

SS Renteria 3B C Jones C McCann CF A Jones 1B Laroche RF Francouer LF Langerhans/Diaz/Thorman 2B Prado/K Johnson

This would be a great order as well.

KC, I like Chuck James. I just remember Horacio Ramirez’s first year. I believe it was 12-4 with a 4.00 era. Then things changed. I know you will probably say injuries changed that, but my point is that you have to wait a little while for these young pitchers. A lot of these guys have sophmore slumps and never rebound.

By Jared

January 1, 2007 09:43 PM | Link to this

“I know you’re not all that high on Chuck James, but the Braves are. And so are many other GM’s in baseball covet him. I think the general consensus in the baseball world is that Chuck James is the real deal and figures to be a quality starter for a long time. Particularly with the Braves winter mission of strengthening the pitching staff… there’s no way James would be sent to the D-Rays for Baldelli. I’m not even sure that they would give him up for Carl Crawford. And if the Braves acquire someone like Ray or Gonzalez for LaRoche, it will be with the intention of keeping that guy and strengthening the pitching staff. The Braves might trade offense to get pitching, but the opposite is not likely to happen.”

Now that is exactly 100% how I feel. Well said.

By NS in Kennesaw

January 1, 2007 09:45 PM | Link to this

Hello all and Happy New Year,

First of all, I wish Riestma best of lucks where ever he may be - although last season was a less than a memorable one, he is over all a good baseball pitcher and a good dude.

Great to hear that KJ is being worked on for 2B - I think he could turn out to be a good one there. Also agree with many others that why not go with a platoon 2B and LF.

Now the pitching staff - the major let down of last season. One point I noticed right from spring training was that a couple of pitchers did not look like they were in good playing shape. Wella, we all saw how Ramirez did. Tim Hudson as well. Anyway, I hope the coaches would mandate our players (especially the pitchers) to make sure that they show up in good shape for this spring training.

For this season, I’ll go to watch the home game as many times as I can. I think this would be the last season of A. Jones in Braves uniform. Hate to see him leave but also understand that this is a business and the Braves can not compete with the markets to keep him.

Go Braves

By MBATL

January 1, 2007 09:48 PM | Link to this

Is Rios still ‘on the market’ with the BJ’s? I remember reading that they might move him but wanted a frontline starter… and that they’ve got lots of cash to spend.

A little different direction, but would we consider a Hudson or Hampton for Rios? I would!

By Wayne in Utah

January 1, 2007 10:16 PM | Link to this

Dave: I too have noticed that Chipper doesn’t like ANYTHING but 3rd. Also, do you have any idea what percentage of innings a leadoff hitter ACTUALLY leads off an inning? I would guess 25-30% of the time. So, I can’t see that guys like KJ, Prado, Aybar, Langerhans (SO a bit too much for me) or Diaz would be OK in the 1 spot. Can’t see Thorman there (Klesko’s clone leading off!!!).

My only worry about our team next year is still in the pitching category. There are ALWAYS injuries that crop up. Also, I don’t expect the kind of year (I would love to see it, but don’t expect it) from Wickman that we got last August and September. He will prove to be somewhat fallable on occasion, I believe. For that reason, I like the idea of Gonzalez.

Now, what about this tact for the Bravos. We will NOT trade LaRoche as we have been speculating, and instead, offer Thorman and another decent prospect or two to the Pirates for Gonzalez. I suspect they would not do it, and if not, then screw them! (my luck, having stated we should hold LaRoche, JS will trade him tomorrow morning to spite me!!)

So, if we can’t keep AJ, then at least we will have LaRoche/Frenchy/McCann all one year older and hopefully more refined as hitters, to replace him. I would not be too afraid of going with Langerhans or Frenchy in CF if we can’t get AJ to stay. Also, my biggest fear is that we don’t really have a decent crop of OF prospects that are within a year of being ready. Maybe Brandon Jones is going to be a candidate, but he needs to step it up a notch to be consider starter material. So, I guess that we might have to move some of those decent infield prospects to the OF (ala KJ) if nobody steps forward. We can’t wait for Cory Johnson.

I am rambling, please forgive me folks.

By Wayne in Utah

January 1, 2007 10:26 PM | Link to this

Efrim

A couple of points. Number one, Chipper IS going to be in the lineup for 125-140 games. Of course, anybody can get injured, but some of his injured games missed last year was a fluke, which could happen to anybody in the lineup. Secondly, you don’t want to hit McCann anywhere higher than 5th, as he will be out once every 5 games or so. Too hard to work around a secondary 3rd or 4th hitter (another reason why Chipper being healthy is important). So, here is my proposal:

LF or 2B,

Rent-a-SS

Chipper

AJ

McCann

Frenchy

LaRoche

LF or 2B

Now, I know you want Adam higher in the order, but given the circumstance of McCann and Chipper, you are forced to push him to 6th or 7th. Also, when McCann is sitting, bat Adam 5th. If he proves to not kill so many rallies with his strikeouts (I am still not sold on his clutch hitting), then switch those two. I think you gotta keep it righty/lefty and keep Frenchy in the 6th hole, unless 2 guys are out of the lineup. I like keeping the 3-4 pressure off these young guys until they HAVE to do it out of necessity.

Whaddyya think?? (Will Omar pull the trigger and get one of the A’s hurlers?) I think it would be wise to unload Millings, as he strikes me as a dim wit. Better to get something for him if you can.

By Jared

January 1, 2007 10:32 PM | Link to this

One final thought before I go to sleep.

“Now I ask you, if you’re the Braves, don’t you find a way to offer Schoeneweis $3 mill RIGHT NOW so you can keep LaRoche, who will have even more trade value a year from now if he hits 35 or more homers and drives in 110 or so runs?”

David O’Brien, do the Braves really have three million to spend? If so, why not bring John Thomson back for bullpen help and to be a back-up starter should an injury occur or someone like Davies not pitch to expectations? I don’t have the stats but I think Thomson has pitched good out of the bullpen from the 2005 NLDS on.

I don’t really think another left-hander is needed, though I think it would help. The Padres proved in 2006 you can have no left-handed pitcher most of the time and still have a lights-out bullpen.

By Efrim D

January 1, 2007 10:45 PM | Link to this

The more I look at it, the more I see that the Braves are not going to make a move. They will probably go into the year with this team. I ask everyone this, Who has the best Starting rotation in the National League????

I personally think it is the Padres.

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

January 1, 2007 10:56 PM | Link to this

DOB, don’t rip me. I was merely bringing up the suggestion of Patterson.

I do wonder if the Pirates would take Thorman and Prado for Gonzales. In a perfect world LaRoche would stay. The only problem is that LaRoche is the most attractive tradeable player the Braves have.

I think the point some are missing about LaRoche being traded is that conceivably he can be replaced by Thorman whereras a Hudson could only be traded if another starter came back in return.

MBATL, acquiring Rios from the Jays would be great but I’m not so sure giving up Hudson would be ideal simply because the Jays aren’t going to give up a quality starter in return. Now, if the Braves traded him to Houston for Chris Sampson and a guy like Adam Everett or Chris Burke would be great. I still say dealing him to the Cubs for Rich Hill would be great but the Cubs have made it quite clear they aren’t trading Hill. Trading him to the O’s for Bedard or Loewen would be good but apparently Hudson and Mazzone don’t exactly get along. You know, also, if the Indians do not get Mulder, I wonder if they would consider trading Cliff Lee or Jake Westbrook for Hudson.

I just get this feeling that JS isn’t going to make any more trades and we are going to have to hope everything goes right.

Like I’ve said, I would probably go ahead and pull the trigger on a LaRoche for Gonzales and I suppose Duffy trade simply because Gonzales gives the Braves a lights out pen and insurance in case Wickman does falter. Personally I would rather see JS attempt to get Gorzelany and Gonzales. DOB has a point about the Pirates not giving up Maholm along with Gonzales. Now, while Gorzelany is a lefty as well, he does not have the same track record as Maholm. As much as that is.

By BlogLandSecurity

January 1, 2007 11:03 PM | Link to this

KC, were you Nathan in a previous life?

By Troy

January 1, 2007 11:12 PM | Link to this

Regarding the best rotation in the NL:

I like the Padres but I would have to give the edge to the Dodgers because they have a bit more depth.

rounding out my top 5 rotation:

1. Padres
2. Brewers
3. Cubs (Prior and Miller are the real wild cards and if they can produce the cubs might have the best of all in the NL)
4. Is a toss up Maybe HOU (if Clemens returns) or I think you might throw ATL, PHI, and even FLA in the mix

By MBATL

January 1, 2007 11:14 PM | Link to this

Robert, I wasn’t assuming we’d get a starter back from Toronto (I don’t know if such a deal makes any sense at all, or what additional pieces would have to be added). My thinking is this:

Both Hampton and Hudson MUST be considered question marks. I think each will be fine (no long defense of them needed!), but we don’t really know.

For 2008, we’d have the BEST outfield in the majors with Frenchy, AJ, and Rios. Rios can hit leadoff, so we just focus on defense at 2B, not try to force an unproven player into that role.

The $$ saved by a Hudson for Rios trade (or better yet, Hampton for Rios) could be used to rent a starter for a year (no, I don’t know who… maybe a Schoeneweis type).

The savings in ‘08 and ‘09 would be enough to allow us to sign AJ - I would NOT give him $20 mil or whatever, but we could reasonably offer $18 mil for him if we had one of those big pitching salaries off the books.

OR, we could still lose AJ but have big money left over to replace him and/or find a starter. Rios is a natural CF anyway, so we wouldn’t be desparate for a CF.

Plus, with a solid bat/leadoff man in LF, we could better afford to trade Laroche for pitching.

It WOULD be a shot to our rotation in ‘07, but would give us the flexibility to fill our needs.

Just a thought…

By Ron

January 1, 2007 11:15 PM | Link to this

Efrim D, in this Order Padres, Braves, Dodgers, Brewers, Phillies, Marlins(only behind these other teams because there so young), Giants, Reds, Pirates, Cardinals, Cubs, Rockies, Mets, and Nats. That is my oppinion!

By Ron

January 1, 2007 11:17 PM | Link to this

Think I skipped the DiamondBacks, and one more team, but you get the Idea, Oh yeah the Nats have the worst rotation!

By Ron

January 1, 2007 11:24 PM | Link to this

Robert, you feelin alright today, because you sound insane dude. Trade Hudson for Sampson, and Everett or Burke, dude are you still talkin about Tim Hudson. I hope not, you would make a pathedic GM if you were in charge. No way that EVER happens dude!!!!! Yeah we really need another shortstop that has a light stick in a great hitters park, and I would rather have Prado or Johnson at second than Burke, yes I know Burke hit that homerun, big deal. The Braves could get way more than that for Hudson right now!!!

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

January 1, 2007 11:37 PM | Link to this

Well, Ron, thanks for the insult. However, if we could so much for Hudson then why wasn’t he traded when JS was desperately trying to do so, so room could be made for Glavine. Sampson is a good young pitcher you could give the Braves some solid starts. A lot of people see Burke on the verge of a breakout. Not to mention that everyone wants to keep Andruw but not willing to sacrifice. The money freed up getting rid of Hudson would easily retain Andruw. I was just throwing something out there. Anyway……………………….

MBATL, I like the idea of getting Rios but who would take Hudson’s place? I’m not sure if I feel comfortable with Davies as a #4 starter. I suppose if Armas or Ohka could be signed to hold down the fort until Harrison is ready in July or if Cormier can impress enough in Richmond to be called up sooner.

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

January 1, 2007 11:40 PM | Link to this

Ron, while you are asking me if I’m okay, are you seriously going to place the Braves rotation without seeing exactly what Hampton or Hudson will do ahead of the Dodgers and Brewers rotations? I think if Hudson and Hampton pitch like they are capable the Braves do have the second best rotation but that does reamin to be seen.

By kinley

January 1, 2007 11:41 PM | Link to this

The Ted a great hitter’s park? Since when? I mean, yeah, we have a lot of offensive firepower, but Turner Field is anything but a launching pad. The Braves’ offense would put up ridiculous numbers if they played half their games in Philly or Cincy. And I’m talking about historic numbers, not just in terms of being the best in the NL.

By Efrim D

January 1, 2007 11:52 PM | Link to this

1 Padres 2 Dodgers 3 Marlins

Those would be my top 3 rotations in the NL.

DOB, What would yours be?

KC, need I ask you who #1 is?

By JB

January 1, 2007 11:54 PM | Link to this

Efrim D, I think that the Padres, Dodgers, Brewers, and Braves have the best starting rotations in the NL right now.

Starter——-ERA

Peavy———-2.80 Young———-3.40 Maddux———4.20 Hensley——-4.00 Thompson——4.70

Schmidt——-3.40 Lowe————3.70 Penny———-4.10 Wolf————4.40 Billingsley-3.60

Sheets———2.90 Capuano——-3.80 Suppan———4.30 Bush————3.90 Vargas———4.50

Smoltz———3.40 Hudson———3.50 Hampton——-4.00 James———-3.80 Davies———4.50

By MBATL

January 2, 2007 12:02 AM | Link to this

I know they’re young, but 2nd half of last year, FL’s starters were lights out. I’d say San Diego followed by the Marlins.

JB, if the Braves top 4 stay healthy and post sub-.4’s, we’ll win 100 games.

By Ron

January 2, 2007 12:18 AM | Link to this

Kinsley, dude I was referring to Minute Maid Park in Houston, not Turner Field. Turner Field Is one of the toughest Hitters Parks out there. You do know that Everett plays in a great hitters park, that is what I was talkin about.Robert, did not mean to insult you but the why the Hell would the Braves try trading a 32 year old pitcher in Hudson to make room for a 41 year old Pitcher, in Glavine never going to happen, that is why they did not unload Hudson. And yes I believe Hampton and Hudson are going to win at least 15 games a piece if healthy, and I think they will be healthy.

By JB

January 2, 2007 12:20 AM | Link to this

Of course, I did not consider injuries. Therefore, my predictions may be a little too optimistic for some guys. Still, I believe that three Braves starters will post sub-4.00 ERA’s

By David O'Brien

January 2, 2007 12:20 AM | Link to this

Right now, I’d probably go with Padres, Dodgers, Braves and Marlins, not necessarily in that order. But if Clemens returns to Houston _ IF _ then I’d put them in top three or four rotations. And don’t overlook Arizona. If Randy Johnson goes back to D-backs, they’re in my top five. Lot of innings and/or strikeouts from their starters, Webb, Livan, Doug Davis (came from Milwaukee in the Estrada trade).

By David O'Brien

January 2, 2007 12:26 AM | Link to this

Anyone not watching this OU-Boise State game is missing one of the more remarkable finishes I’ve seen in college football in a few years. Wow. Stunning collapse for Boise.

By Bring Reeves Back!

January 2, 2007 12:28 AM | Link to this

Go Braves! man we need some owners again who actually give half a crap about the team! No excuse to give the mets there best posteason pitcher back to them!! Especially when hes a Braves hall of famer. sad times…sad times. I have hope still but after smoltz retires, and the jonses leave…then it will be the end forreal to the dynasty!

By Ron

January 2, 2007 12:29 AM | Link to this

Robert, Why do you think that the Brewers rotation is ahead of the Braves, when is the Last time Sheets has stayed healthy. Cannot believe people like the Brewers ahead of the Braves, the Brewers is good but if healthy the Braves would be amazing. And with there Bullpen and Great Offense, why not make the World Series, a possibillity!!!

By Ron

January 2, 2007 12:33 AM | Link to this

DOB, you think Dale Murphy will ever get into the Hall of Fame?

By David O'Brien

January 2, 2007 12:35 AM | Link to this

oh. my. god.

what a play. what a game. overtime

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

January 2, 2007 12:39 AM | Link to this

DOB, did you just see that play from Boise State! What a game! I’m from Oklahoma and love my Sooners but I am pulling for Boise State. I love the underdog and it would serve the BCS right to have “those other guys” pull off the upset. What a game?

Ron, I think the Braves have the chance to have best roation in the NL and bullpen for that matter. But, before I can put them there I have to see that Hudson regains his touch and Hampton can come back all the way. Also, Davies plays a huge role in this as well. I personally think his perfromance last year had more to do with his injury. But, we’ll see.

By Ron

January 2, 2007 12:41 AM | Link to this

This is the Braves Rotation Records for 2007. Smoltz 18-5 2.70, Hudson 18-6 3.15, Hampton 16-5 3.35, James 14-7 3.60, Davies 13-6 3.95. Pretty damn good, but of course it is my oppinion.

By Ron

January 2, 2007 12:49 AM | Link to this

I hear what you are saying Robert, all of this is our opinions, while we hope the Braves will win, we do not know how everthing will work out, it is a long baseball season, anything can happen. I thought before last season started, I thought that our Bullpen would be alright, but that is the way it goes. One big injury, such as Andruw getting hurt, the Braves could be done, You cant replace Andruw, maybe someone else, but no way you can replace Andruw.

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

January 2, 2007 12:51 AM | Link to this

OMG, DOB, did you see that! What a damn gutsy call!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By Ron

January 2, 2007 12:52 AM | Link to this

Boise St. Just won!!!!!!!!

By Jeremy

January 2, 2007 01:00 AM | Link to this

Best bowl game ever? Might have to start up a new blog for that AMAZING Boisie St. victory! I’m also happy to announce I was 1 of 1 in the country to win $$$ on this game! haha What a game…

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

January 2, 2007 01:01 AM | Link to this

That is what college football should be about. Was that not one of the most exciting college football games ever played?!!!!!!!!

By Ron

January 2, 2007 01:28 AM | Link to this

Damn great Game. Gnight all, drunk off my a$$, goin to bed. Glad I dont have school tomorrow!

By Wayne in Utah

January 2, 2007 01:36 AM | Link to this

Just finished putting my 14 year to bed after we watched probably THE most exciting finishes to a football game I have EVER seen. Since we are from Northern Utah, and I cover the Boise area, I have a lot of VERY happy business friends tonight!

What a finish!

By DAP

January 2, 2007 01:56 AM | Link to this

ron roberts nice blog, you are absolutly right about KC and effrim being opposites. you were wrong about one thing though, effrim doesnt use stats. his opinion is based on….nothing i guess. thats why most of what he says doesnt matter. KC uses stats. ALOT of them…they really are polar opposites.

By Wayne in Utah

January 2, 2007 02:13 AM | Link to this

DAP You are right about effrim. There are moments when I think he is going to make a bit of sense with his comments, but most of the time he is way too far over the top in his opinion, which is for some reason based on the belief that there is too much negatives for the Braves. I want to take him at his word that he is a Braves fan, but in my opinion, I think a fan fights and argues for his team, against most odds. Granted, we are not about to say something stupid like “Pete Orr is bound to be the All Star and the MVP for 2007. Not going to happen, but we can be optomistic that our players will do better than others might think (Hampton and Hudson, case in point).

Oh well, I guess we can’t win them all over.

It’s late, even out here. Take care….

By The Grinch

January 2, 2007 02:14 AM | Link to this

Here’s to Boise State, in a bad-a* game from the get-go. G’night, everyone!

By Billy Austin

January 2, 2007 03:58 AM | Link to this

Not only are we going to have the luxury of starting the season with Wickman and Soriano at the back end of the game, we are going to have Chuck James in the rotation from the beginning. If he had pitched all year I think he wins 18 games for sure. I think JS didn’t pursue Glavine because he has a younger better version in James. I bet James has a better year than Glavine and that Smoltz is Smoltz and Hampton and Hudson return to prove they are a long way from done. The bullpen won’t blow half the games they did last year and the offense will be close to as productive. I think trading LaRoche while he is in high demand is a good idea. He is a great glove but a real streaky hitter. It seems he hits .220 or .320 because of his timing set up at the plate. I know when he’s hot he can carry the team for a spell but he can also be a perpetual rally killer when he’s cold. I think Thorman/Diaz platoon will give us close to the same production offensively with more consistency. I agree the need for a true leadoff/basestealer is overrated and that pitching wins championships. I’d rather have a scrapy smart ballplayer lead off that doesn’t give away at bats and the piece of mind to know if you hand the lead to a bullpen from the 6th inning on we are going to win most of those games. I like LaRoche but I think we should take advantage of the fact that several other teams do too. K Johnson at second leading of sounds like it’s worth trying. Rest Chipper and especially keep him off wet fields early in the year and either sign AJ to and extension like Toronto/Wells or trade him and get something substantial for him. I hope for the sake of the franchise that we can keep him. If he insistant upon going onto the open market and getting every dollar the market will bear than I think we should trade him and not make the Washington/Soriano mistake.

By berigan

January 2, 2007 04:37 AM | Link to this

Well, it sounds like Robert(JITB) and I are alone in thinking you need a speedy leadoff hitter.

Several mentioned that having Furcal batting leadoff didn’t help us get past the first round any year he was here. true enough. But, to be a good leadoff hitter, you need to get on base. Check out was his B.A. was during the postseason with us starting with the 2000 playoffs. .091(Gee, ever wonder why we were out in 3 straight games?), 2002 in .250, in 2003 a robust .211, in 2004, he finally did good, .381, decided that wasn’t nearly as much fun and hit .231 points lower in the 2005 NLDS (.150!) A chance of scenery made a real difference for Raffy, as he hit .182 last year for the Dodgers. David Eckstein hit .364 for the Cards.

You don’t HAVE to have a speedy guy or 2 at the top, but it sure helps, unless you are an A.L. kind of team like the Yankees or Red Sox that walk like crazy.

Isn’t it possible one reason that Giles didn’t do as well in 06 as previous years was that without Furcal in front of him, he didn’t see nearly as many fastballs? No pitchers trying to rush a pitch, and leaving a hanging curve over the plate???

By Shaun

January 2, 2007 09:01 AM | Link to this

berigan,

To see how important a speedy leadoff hitter is, you need look no farther than the 2006 Braves. They scored the 2nd most runs in the NL without a speedy leadoff hitter.

You can also look at other teams in baseball history who scored a lot of runs but were slow—the Oakland A’s of the very late 1990’s-early 2000’s come to mind.

There are more important things to scoring runs than speed. Avoiding outs for as long as possible/getting on base and earning as many bases as possible in a given inning are much more important. Speed can help you do this, but not as much as being a good hitter, taking walks, etc.

The best way to look at offense is from a defensive perspective. What does a team try to do on offense? Get outs as quickly as possible/keep the other team off base and keep the other team from advancing around the bases if they should get on base. So doesn’t it follow that the goal on offense should be to avoid outs for as long as possible/get as many people on base as possible and earn as many bases as possible when you get on base?

On offense the most important things are a low out percentage (which is the exact same thing as a high on-base percentage) and a high slugging percentage (because that is how many bases you earn per at bat). Speed is important because it can help a hitter avoid an out/get on and can also help a baserunner advance quicker, but it’s not a necessity.

By Ray

January 2, 2007 09:18 AM | Link to this

A couple of points here,, Efrin, Correct if I misread but one of your blogs you made a comment you do not remember Wickman pitching in a big moment, Unlike Gonzalez and Ray. When have Gonzalez and Ray EVER pitched in a big moment? They have never even sniffed a big moment, look at the teams they play for. Also, in regards to the lead off man, Berigan you nailed it in regards to Furcal. It doesn’t matter HOW fast you are if you are NOT getting on base. I believe Kelly Johnson very well could fill that spot nicely. The key for him will be NOT to get off to a slow start. It may wear on him mentally and start pressing. Blanco could also really open some eyes come spring training. He could be the wild card in that mix. One final note in regards to Cox bunting too much etc and his game strategy. Its sooo easy to say good or bad decision AFTER the fact. DOB this may have been before your time, don’t know but in ‘88 when the Winter Meetings were here at the Marriott Marquis I was fortunate or unfortunately stuck in an elevator with Frank Robinson and Tommy Lasorda, it was stuck in between floors. Lasorda after a few “F” bombs.. started to talk baseball and he made a good point. Unlike other sports, in baseball there really are NOT any right or wrong decisions, just those that do and do not work. If you have a guy attempt a bunt and he pops it up, not a wrong decision, just didn’t execute— didn’t work. Or if you send a guy on a steal and gets thrown out, it simply didn’t work. In basketball if you are down by 3 with 2 seconds left and you go in and make a layup, BAD decision… You all get his point. By the way, I think Lasorda set a world record with “f” bombs in that 30 + minutes and Robinson was a bit freaked out. Gooooo braves

By Efrim D

January 2, 2007 09:38 AM | Link to this

Ray, You are wrong I didn’t say Gonzalez and Ray have pitched in big moments. They haven’t. BUT they have better STUFF than Bob Wickman. STUFF means that the quality of their pitches are better. Gonzalez and Ray throw sliders, that break harder than Wickman. They also throw fastballs that well….. are faster with more movement than Bob Wickman. Im sorry but that is what I said.

By Lew

January 2, 2007 09:50 AM | Link to this

Efrim-Wagner has better stuff than Wickman, yet in the past two seasons, Wickman has only one less save in the same number of oppurtunities. The best STUFF I have seen in the past year belongs to Seth McClung of the DRays. He led the AL in losses last year. If you can’t put the ball where you want it, then stuff don’t mean excrement to a tree.

By Ray

January 2, 2007 10:00 AM | Link to this

NO worries Efrim. I misread your comment.I will not disagree with you as far as better stuff. But the 3 important keys to effective pitching in this order are Location, movement and then velocity. Wickman is a top 10 closer. Not pretty but effective. Bottom line gets the job done at a high percentage. I do believe the Braves will add one more piece to the bullpen. One quick note on Boyer, over the holidays he started long toss. He is not allowed to throw off the mound yet.

By Efrim D

January 2, 2007 10:07 AM | Link to this

DAP, heres a stat.Let me give you Tim Hudson’s line in 2003.

240 Inning pitched 197 hits allowed 162 K’s 61 walks 2.70 era

Great year. He was incredible. Well if you remember, Tim Hudson hurt himself in the ALDS versus the Boston Red Sox that October. Since then he has not recovered. Numbers for 2004 -2006:

2004 188.1 innings 194 hits 44 walks 103 K’s 3.53 ERA 12-6

2005 192.0 innings 194 hits 65 walks 115 K’s 3.52 ERA 14-9

2006 218.1 innings 235 hits 79 walks 141 K’s 4.86 ERA 13-12

Now I heard KC mention the fact that Mussina and Clemens had off years in their careers but bounced back. I can’t remember them having Oblique Injuries. Well what is bounce back first off. Will Hudson return to 2003 form before the OBLIQUE Injury? Or are we getting a mediocre Tim Hudson? Yes he is above average, but he isn’t the DOMINANT Pitcher that we traded for. 2.90 ERA in the AMERICAN LEAGUE IN 2003. That is dominance. But then he got hurt. Yes is velocity was the same and his stuff was still good this last season. Except for the fact that he has completely lost the ability to throw his “OUT” pitch. The split finger fastball that was used to get left handers out. I don’t need to look at stats to see that Tim Hudson has probably struggled more against lefties than he has righties since that time. Well it is because he continually offers a splitter that can’t be enticing to a left handed hitter. I thought Tim Hudson was going to bounce back early last year,but then Interleague started and he was absolutly destroyed by the AL East powerhouses.

BOTTOM LINE, I PERSONALLY THINK HUDSON HAS TO PROOVE THAT HE IS HEALTHY AND ABLE TO EFFECTIVELY GET LEFTIES OUT BEFORE BRAVES FANS CAN HAVE FAITH IN HIM. He has lost the ability to throw the split finger fastball, which was his most dominant out pitch. If you don’t agree with it fine, but it is the truth and the argument is flawed in no way. All I heard was stats over his career, but give me one good reason why i should think he has recovered from that injury fully? He hasn’t been able to throw that pitch. Lefties hit something like .280 off him last year. I remember his old friend Jason Giambi hitting two home runs off him in a June game where he tried to get him out with splitters that just didnt split. I was at that game. And no Im not a Yankee fan, I hate them more than anything.

By Efrim D

January 2, 2007 10:08 AM | Link to this

Lew, Wagner or Wickman, who is a better pitcher? No stats, who is a better pitcher?

By NYM

January 2, 2007 10:16 AM | Link to this

Does anybody know what the braves record was before Wickman and what it was after? The braves did finsih four games under .500 so I was curious.

By NYM

January 2, 2007 10:52 AM | Link to this

By the end of July the braves were 48-56. That’s eight games under .500. I’m not sure exactley when Wickman was obtained but I’m assuming it was at the trading deadline. They ended the season four games under so having a better closer didn’t get the braves much improvement in wins and losses. As for all those gloom predictions for the Mets starting pitching. Keep in mind. It’s the same starters who pitched for most of the second half and it didn’t slow the Mets down. Yes Trachsel is gone but lets me honest. His run support was great. Any decent pitcher would have the same amount of wins. His ERA was almost 5 runs per. So he wasn’t pitching lights out to get those 15 wins. Just as last year the Mets will have decent pitching coupled with a great offense will keep the Mets in contention. I’m almost certain Minaya will trade for a good pitcher before the season starts which will validate my point.

By Sam

January 2, 2007 11:02 AM | Link to this

NYM - For the record, the Braves were 6 games under when they got Wickman and played 2 over the rest of the way. I would imagine your question was intended to point out that the Braves were not THAT much better with Wickman. Of course, considering that Wickman was nearly perfect in save situations and considering how awful the Braves had been in save situations up to his arrival I think your point (if that was your point) is hardly valid.

By Steven

January 2, 2007 11:07 AM | Link to this

BRING BACK KEVIN GRYBOSKI, HE IS A FREE AGENT AND PROBABILY WOULD BE CHEAP. WE NEED HIM BACK IN OUR PEN GO BRAVES

By MGL

January 2, 2007 11:13 AM | Link to this

NYM - 34-32 after Wickman arrived on July 20.

By NYM

January 2, 2007 11:19 AM | Link to this

Sam, I’m sure there aren’t too many points that a Mets fan can make that you would find valid.

By NYM

January 2, 2007 11:30 AM | Link to this

Here’s are other unvalid points. Wickmans ERA was over 4.00 with Cleveland in 2006. He’s 38 and over weight…….

By KC

January 2, 2007 11:45 AM | Link to this

Efrim: I think there are several teams with good rotations… none with great rotations. There are only two rotations that are potentially great: Atlanta and Florida.

Who’s number one? It’s hard to say just yet. But can confidently state that it’s either Atlanta or Florida. It really depends on how long it takes Hampton to shake off the rust, and how well Tim Hudson bounces back this season, where Atlanta is concerned. And for Florida, it’s all about how well their young guys perform. Can guys like Sanchez, and Olsen avoid a sophomore slump, or can Ricky Nalasco develop into the pitcher they think he can be (the Braves face the same question with Kyle Davies).

If I were building a new team and could take any rotation in the NL, I would take Florida’s… assuming I was building for the future. But if I were trying to win this year, I would take Atlanta’s. The Braves are the only team in the league with 3 proven aces. Granted, 2 of them will have prove themselves all over again with Hudson coming off a lousy year and Hampton returning from TJ surgery, but I think the odds favor that happening in both cases. And of course, don’t forget about Chuck James.

The Dodgers, Padres, and Brewers are all 3-deep, but we’re not talking about 3 aces or a “big 3” with any of these teams. They are each in pretty much the same boat… 1 ace, and 2 quality starters. Not bad, but not great… or even very good.

Here are my predictions for the Braves rotation:

Smoltz: 18-7, 3.21 ERA.

Hudson: 17-8, 3.14 ERA (okay, I’m gonna go out on a limb and predict an excellent season from Hudson).

Hampton: 14-9, 3.81 ERA (4.40 ERA in the first half… 2.90 ERA in the 2nd half)

James: 15-8, 3.76 ERA.

Davies: 12-9, 4.33 ERA

Yes, I do think there will be three 15 game winners from the Braves. They’ve got good starting pitching that will be aided by a very good bullpen and excellent run support… so I don’t think three 15 game winners is at all far fetched.

Don’t underestimate the effect that having an excellent bullpen will have the starters. Mentally, they are less likely to press too hard, and physically, they won’t be overworked.

By JB

January 2, 2007 11:48 AM | Link to this

Wickman’s ERA for 2006 was 2.67 and 1.04 with the Braves. He will likely post a sub-4.00 ERA in 2007.

By Efrim D

January 2, 2007 12:01 PM | Link to this

KC, Hudson is going out on a limb. But the rest of them could be spot on. Padres are 4 deep. Clay Hensley is the real deal. You think highly of Chuck James, but check out Hensley’s stats. Very impressive. By the way, Baseball America shelled out the Braves Top 10: here is the link.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/features/263052.html

By KC

January 2, 2007 12:05 PM | Link to this

Efrim:

Yes, I mentioned Clemens, Mussina, Smoltz, Kevin Brown… and there were a few I didn’t mention. I found numerous instances where a perennial ace had a lousy season (in his prime) for no apparent reason. Again, I honestly couldn’t find a single case over the past 25 years where this happened and that pitcher didn’t bounce right back.

In regard to one of your recent posts… I would like to point out that a 3.53/3.52 ERA is better than “above” average… it is very good (top-15% to be exact, and last year that ERA would have been in the top 7%). Pitchers with ERA’s of close to 4.00 (Zito, D-Train, Glavine, and others) are widely considered “aces” these days, so 3.52 looks pretty darn good to me.

I would be thrilled to get a 3.53 ERA from Hudson over 34 starts. If he does that, he’ll win no fewer than 17-18 games, guaranteed. But I think if you have healthy and sharp Tim Hudson, you can look for an ERA in the low-3.00 range or better.

As for Tim Hudson’s splitter… perhaps my memory is failing me, but I seem to remember him having a great splitter some nights, and not so great on other nights. But then… isn’t the story of his entire 2006 season? If he’s sharp and healthy this year, I suspect that splitter will be there for him.

By Thrillhouse44

January 2, 2007 12:11 PM | Link to this

NYM: Unvalid isn’t a word. I think you meant invalid. I bet your mom is so proud of you.

By Lew

January 2, 2007 12:15 PM | Link to this

Steven-Kevin Gryboski has pitched 15 innings since leaving the Braves in 05. His ERA was 11.12 with Texas in 05 in 11 games and 14.29 at Washington in 06 in 6 games. Do you really think Gryboski ias still effective or worth picjing up. If so, why? Efrim-I think Wickman is a bona fide stud closer, no matter how overweight he may be. In the past three season, Wicky is 91-101 in saves with an ERA of 3.30 (pitching in the AL). Wagner is 99-109 in saves with a 2.50 ERA. I contend that this is not a major difference between the two. Wagner may have a slight edge, but statistically (and you have to look at performance, Dude), but Wickman has been damn near as effective as Wagner. I’d rather have Wickman at this point. He makes half of what Wagner pulls in. Considering the Braves budgetary restrictions, the Braves got a great deal. No way you can spin it otherwise. NYM-The Mets are not as great as you think and the Braves not as bad. I have every confidence that the Braves will prove this during the coming season. We can just wait and see. The Mets have had talent on the team for many of the past 15 years, but only won the division once, when the rest of the division had a bad year. I look at 06 as an abberration for both teams. The Mets because they won despite having terrible pitching, which they still do. I just don’t see the offense being able to save their sorry pitching for two straight years, any more than I see the Braves blowing 29 saves again, or having a 6-23 month again. We shall see. There, I made my point without mentioning Beltran’s incontinent moment at the Series-OOPS.

By David O'Brien

January 2, 2007 12:18 PM | Link to this

Efrim, you asked Lew, not me, but I hope you don’t mind if I answer the question you posed: “Wagner or Wickman, who is a better pitcher? No stats, who is a better pitcher?”

Wagner is. But after being at Shea Stadium for a couple of Wagner’s postseason appearances, and talking to several NY writers who covered him all season, I know who I’d prefer to have in a pressure situation: Wickman. No question.

By David O'Brien

January 2, 2007 12:23 PM | Link to this

RAY, great anecdote. And you wrote: “By the way, I think Lasorda set a world record with “f” bombs in that 30 + minutes and Robinson was a bit freaked out. Gooooo braves.”

Only guy I’ve been around who might drop more f-bombs than Lasorda is Mike Shannon, the former Cardinal and longtime Cardinals broadcaster. Sat in Jim Leyland’s office a couple of times when Shannon stopped by, and listening to those two go at it was 10-15 of the most “colorful” minutes you could possibly imagine.

By Ray

January 2, 2007 12:45 PM | Link to this

I agree with DOB, I much would rather have Wickman in a playoff game over Wagner. His playoff performance is not so steller considering he is supposed to be one of the absolute top closers in the game. Yeah Dave, I forgot all about Leyland’s use of the colorful language. Lasorda is right though, in football if its 3rd and 20 and you HAVE to get a first down or get in field goal range, you run the ball up the middle and it doesn’t work that is a wrong decision. Oh one other thing that most manager’s believe is that there are only about 50 games a manager truly has an effect on. I do believe IF and this may be a big IF, the braves stay relatively healthy especially the pitching staff then they will win 90+ games. And if that happens, they will have the pitchers that can carry them in the playoffs. I always compare it like a goalie in the hockey playoffs. You get a couple hot pitchers in the playoffs they will carry you to the promise land. Hudson, Hampton and Smoltz all have the talent and the mental make-up to shut down teams in the playoffs given the chance. With the potential bullpen the difference is as many have stated this year, they would be well rested as well. Of course all speculation in January.

By Shaun

January 2, 2007 12:45 PM | Link to this

Efrim and KC,

There are certain things that are going to happen that are out of a pitchers control and stats that are typically used to judge pitchers are rather unreliable. Wins is the most obvious because wins depend on run support, etc. But even ERA, which is commonly used as a good measure is not so good. ERA depends a lot on defense. And once a ball leaves the bat, there’s a lot of chance as to where that ball will land. Not much separates a sharp grounder in the whole from a sharp grounder right at the shortstop.

This is why you see so much “inconsistency” with pitchers (well, this and the injury risks involved with pitching). But if you look closely, the pitchers that are good at making hitters miss the bat, avoiding walks and avoiding homeruns are fairly consistent in those categories from year-to-year.

So if a pitcher like John Smoltz, who strikesout a lot of guys, doesn’t walk a lot of guys and doesn’t give up too many homeruns, has a bad ERA, gives up a lot of runs and doesn’t win many games, you’d expect him to be better the following year in terms of W-L and ERA, as long as injury is not a factor.

By Efrim D

January 2, 2007 12:50 PM | Link to this

DOB, I disagree, but that is my opinion. How many big games has Bob Wickman pitched in? I know Wagner isn’t rock solid in big games, Chipper Jones hitting a bomb off him in the playoffs when Wagner was with the Astros is the one I think of, but I would not take Wickman over Billy Wagner. I guess we will just have to wait and see for the season to start. Everyone basically thinks the Braves are in the World Series as of right now because of adding Bob Wickman and Rafael Soriano. People also are saying Hudson is going to rebound and put up a 3.18 era next year, Hampton is an ace, and Blaine Boyer and Tyler Yates are better options than Aaron Heilman. I just don’t see it. Can the Braves win the world series? Can the Texas Rangers??? Sure. Thats baseball. I just think you guys are way too optimistic about next year. You might thnk I am way too negative. I think the Braves are going to battle it out till the bitter end. But I just think that the Phillies and Mets will both make the playoffs next year, leaving the Braves with a third place finish. Reasons why?? Tim Hudson and Mike Hampton. I just don’t see them winning a combined 30+ games. I expect them to both be in the neighborhood of 12-14 victories. I know what you will all say, “their offense was great this year and their bullpen sucked and Hudson still won 13 games”. I don’t care. That is my prediction. In 2008 the Braves will resign Smoltz for one more season, Soriano will be the Closer, and the Braves will have roughly 15 million to spend on a middle reliever or two, a CF and a 2B. Its also an important year for the minor league system because guys like Jo Jo Reyes and Matt Harrison may be able to contribute in 2008. Salty might be converted into 1st base/LF or traded for pitching. They will be better in 2008 than they will be in 2007, even with the loss of Andruw Jones. So we will see.

By MBATL

January 2, 2007 12:53 PM | Link to this

DOB, that’s interesting that Shannon (who I don’t know) would have a “potty mouth” … I would think that’d be a dangerous habit for a guy who makes his living talking live on TV or radio…

Ron and KC, love the optimism, but if JS and BC think our staff is as good as you do, why did we state our “main priority” for the offseason as signing Glavine?

By David O'Brien

January 2, 2007 01:03 PM | Link to this

MBATL, yes, I’ve thought the same thing of Shannon _ how amazing it is that he can just turn off that part of his vocabulary. He’s entertaining on the air, but especially off the air. Funny guy. And rich, from that Mike Shannon’s steakhouse he runs next to Busch Stadium.

And on THIS DAY in HISTORY:

1977: Braves owner Ted Turner is suspended for one year by Commissioner Bowie Kuhn due to tampering charges in the free-agency signing of Gary Matthews.

By David O'Brien

January 2, 2007 01:10 PM | Link to this

Efrim, that’s the nature of fans _ they’re SUPPOSED to be optimistic about their own teams, even if deep down they have questions or doubts or whatever. If everyone here was so negative about the Braves, and didn’t feel renewed hope as spring training beckons, it’d be a pretty dispirited place to hang out, this blog.

But they’re not. Like fans in Boston, Chicago and other places, they want to believe. And here in Atlanta, they have a lot more reason to feel good about their team than many or even most places in baseball. So let them.

By the way, I’m talking about Wags now, now the Wags of yesteryear. Several, and I mean several, reporters told me, and a few like Lupica wrote it during the NLCS, that folks in NY had an uneasy feeling the entire year about Wagner, that he might have meltdowns at the most inopportune time. He’s not the same pitcher he was in his Houston heyday.

Closers just don’t last that long at an elite level anymore, and he’s at the extreme end of contemporary closers in terms of “life” expectancy. Unless your name is Mariano and you throw a nearly unhittable cutter, or it’s Hoffman and you have a bottomless pit of guile to go with that change-up.

By David O'Brien

January 2, 2007 01:18 PM | Link to this

Oh, and Hoffman also has an almost Maddux-like ability to put every pitch exactly where he wants to put it. It ain’t just the change-up that’s made Hoffman great for so long.

By MBATL

January 2, 2007 01:19 PM | Link to this

Ted was a lot like Arthur Blank in a lot of ways… “hands on” to a fault. All the talk about wanting Blank to buy the Braves has quieted with the way things have gone with the Falcons. I’d love to have a private owner who had a passion for the team, but would sure hope that would be limited to signing checks.

Blank didn’t even show the professional courtesy of allowing GM Rich McKay to announce the firing of Mora. I don’t know that Scheurholz could survive (or, would choose to operate) in that kind of environment.

By anonymous

January 2, 2007 01:25 PM | Link to this

You guys are treating Reitsma like he never did anything for the Braves. Remember 2004: he set up the eighth inning for John Smoltz to come in the ninth, quite sucessfully, I might add. And another thing, this should be the Braves Roster next year: Lineup 1.Rocco Baldelli LF 2.Edgar Renteria SS 3.Chipper Jones 3B 4.Andruw Jones CF 5.Brian McCann C 6.Jeff Francoeur RF 7.Adam LaRoche 1B 8.Kelly Johnson 2B

Bench 1.Matt Stairs 1B/OF (Free Agent) 2.Willy Aybar 2B/3B 3.Ryan Langerhans OF 4.Pete Orr INF 5.Todd Pratt C (one more year)

Rotation 1.John Smoltz 2.Tim Hudson 3.Mike Hampton 4.Chuck James 5.Steve Trachsel (Free Agent)

Bullpen 1.Bob Wickman CL 2.Rafael Soriano SU 3.Mike Gonzalez MR 4.Macay McBride MR 5.Blaine Boyer MR 6.Chris Reitsma MR 7.John Foster MR

So as you see, this would probably be a playoff team. It has a good rotation,lineup, and it definitely has a stong bullpen. You get Mike Gonzalez from Pittsburgh for Scott Thorman and Yunel Escobar (minor leaguer). Then trade Kyle Davies, Elvis Andrus (minor) and Mionor League Catcher Jarrod Saltalamcchia.

By Daybed Wagmoe

January 2, 2007 01:28 PM | Link to this

DOB - in my day-to-day calendar, one of the fun facts recently said that when Ted Turner was the owner, he served as manager for one game before being told that he could no longer do so. do you know the story behind this? did the commissioner of baseball tell him he couldn’t do that?

By David O'Brien

January 2, 2007 01:41 PM | Link to this

Efrim, I do feel like I should provide something to quantify my statement about Hoffman, since the man obviously still has amazing stats, far better than Wickman’s (Wagner had a 2.24 ERA and 94 K in 72-1/3 innings last season, so it’s not as if he’s throwing 85 now and barely hanging on).

But his big-game performance was a bit unsettling for NY observers last season, even before the postseason. He doesn’t throw as hard, all the time, as he used to, his command can waver at inopportune times, and his opponents’ average and OPS last season went from .178 and .485 in July, to .234/.642 in August, to .319/.780 in September, and seven hits and five runs allowed in his last two appearances of the postseason vs. St. Louis.

But here’s what I meant about him in the biggest games. I had no idea it was this bad, but here’s what I found when I just went to Stats Inc. for a look at his career game-by-game postseason stats:

Since 1997, 11 postseason appearances, 10-1/3 innings, 18 hits, 11 earned runs, 3 homers, 1 walk, 11 strikeouts.

He gave up at least one run in six of 11 postseason games, and multiple runs in four of 11.

Wickman hasn’t really pitched enough in the postseason to get a good read (only four games, three in 1995 and one in 2001).

But here’s what he did, just FYI: 4 appearances, five hits, no runs, no walks, 5 strikeouts.

By David O'Brien

January 2, 2007 01:44 PM | Link to this

Daybed, yes and yes on your questions about Ted’s managerial stint. That circus act got a LOT of attention (imagine how much it would get today, with ESPN and all). He wore a uni and all. Man, what I’d give to have covered the team then, even briefly.

By Harry

January 2, 2007 01:45 PM | Link to this

DOB- you do a heeluva job. We’re lucky to have a beat writer as interested in baseball as you are. Also enjoy your music blurbs. I agree with your top 25 albums in large part, with the excpetion of the Boss’ album. Thought it was one of the years’ worst. Then again, haven’t thought much of Bruce since his 9/11 exploitation “rise up” song.

By KC

January 2, 2007 01:51 PM | Link to this

MBATL: John Schuerholz and co. set out on a mission to make the pitching as good as it can possibly be. Adding Tom Glavine was the best (and probably the only) opportunity to strengthen our rotation. JS stated that Glavine was the Braves #1 off-season target.

I’m not sure why you interpret the Braves pursuit of Glavine as a sign that they don’t feel good about the pitching staff as it stands now. No matter how good the rotation is or isn’t… Glavine could have made it better, and that’s why they wanted him. JS doesn’t, like any good GM, is always looking for a way to improve the team… whether its coming off a 79 win season or a 110 win season… makes no difference.

Here’s another thing… in this market, we all know that 32 mill owed Hudson over the next three years does not look like a monstrous sum. If the Braves simply wanted to unload Hudson, they could have done it in a heartbeat (in a market where V.Padilla and Ted Lilly will earn the same money as Hudson). The only possibly reason Hudson wasn’t traded in time to make room for Glavine, is that the Braves still think too much of him to give him away for less than what they feel he’s worth.

The Braves wanted to get Glavine, but more accurately… they wanted to get Glavine and a fair return for Hudson. If the Braves could have done that, it would have been a great move. If the Braves could have acquired Glavine and a top pitching prospect, a leadoff hitter, or whatever they were hoping to get for Hudson… it would have improved the team. But the Braves couldn’t complete a deal (for Hudson) they felt was fair in time to sign Glavine. The only possible reason Hudson’s still here, is because the Braves haven’t lost confidence in him. Think about it… if they lost all faith, he’d already be gone. Now I’m sure they aren’t as confident in him as they were a couple years ago, or even heading into last season, but they obviously believe in him to some degree.

And I will also tell you, and I believe DOB can confirm this, that everyone associated with the Braves organization feels really good about getting Hampton back. He will have fully recovered over 18 months by the time he makes his return.

MBATL, JS and BC have both expressed a great deal of optimism and confidence (and sincerely so, I believe) in this pitching staff heading into next season. It appears that Braves management, and at least on Braves writer (Mark Bowman - link below) feel as I do about the Braves prospects heading into next season.

http://atlanta.braves.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20061222&contentid=1766760&vkey=newsatl&fext=.jsp&c_id=atl

By Fed Up

January 2, 2007 01:56 PM | Link to this

Daybed Wagmoe:

Yes, that actually happened. It was 76, I think. The team was awful. The big attraction at Fulton County Stadium was ostrich races. Ted was ordered to stop managing by the commissioner. My bet is that the Braves are now investing in ostriches for this year’s ostrich races. They’re going to need something to distract people from the awful team on the field in the coming years of no money to re-sign players like Andruw and Smoltz.

By TennesseePaul

January 2, 2007 01:58 PM | Link to this

KC: I think the Padres will have a stellar staff this year. Up there more so with the Braves. I’d even put them ahead of the Braves. If Hudson gets a pass for his Off-Year-Not-In-Decline-KC-Said-So Season, than Peavy does as well. And the good thing about Peavy is, his off year wasn’t as awful as Hudson’s. Hensley looked pretty sharp this past season and Chris Young is going to be amazing. And now that Maddux is there to help all these guys out, they should be even better. They don’t have a 3 deep rotation. It’s about 4 deep. Maddux should have a good year in Petco. He had a good half season in the NL West last year, and now he gets a whole season to play out there. They have 5 parks in that Division, 3 of them are pitchers parks. Coor’s field is a little different now with the Humidor. Besides, the Padres now have a pretty good defense up the middle. Piazza is no longer at the backstop turning BB, HBP, Singles, Reach on Error’s, Fielder’s Choices and everything else into an extra base(s). They should be a good team next season.

By KC

January 2, 2007 02:08 PM | Link to this

MBATL and others: In regard to my famed optimism…

It’s interesting that I have such a reputation as a cheery loyalist. Had you heard me a couple years ago when we had Wright, Ortiz, and Thompson as our “big 3”, you probably wouldn’t believe you were talking to the same person.

The fact of the matter is that there are many good reasons to be optimistic about this team, and that’s why I’m excited about them heading into next season. But let me clarify a couple of things.

First of all, a number of you are probably of the impression that I’m banking on a Cy Young season from Hudson next year. I’m not. If I were laying odds… I’d say there’s about a 70% chance that Hudson will be solid next season. I define “solid” as an ERA under 4.00 and something in the neighborhood of 15 wins. I would say there’s about a 50/50 chance that he’ll return himself to “ace” status next year. The only thing I’m willing to say with any confidence is that I think he’ll be much better next season. I believe that for reasons I’ve documented many times and will not repeat here.

As for Mike Hampton, I’m not looking for 20 wins out of him. While there’s every reason to believe that he’ll be perfectly healthy, I expect that it will take him a little time to shake off the rust. I predict that he will be mediocre in the first half (ERA in the low-mid 4.00 range), but will get in a groove eventually and turn in a very good 2nd half (ERA in the low-3.00’s or better after the break).

As for what I expect from the rest of the team… I expect Smoltz and James to do pretty much the same thing they did last year. I expect guys Villarreal, McBride, and Yates to pitch almost as well as they did late in the season (which was very well). I am looking for solid performances from Wickman and Soriano, and I think the offense will score a lot of runs.

If these are pie in the sky expectations… so be it. But I honestly believe my expectations are fairly reasonable. From what I’ve said… what exactly is it that strikes you as irrationally optimistic?

By MBATL

January 2, 2007 02:10 PM | Link to this

KC, I am very optimistic about our rotation, but just not by comparison to you!

Frankly, I never could understand our interest in Glavine because I do expect Hudson to improve; and at 30 (31?) years old, he’s a better investment than TommyGun. But it still tells me that the Braves don’t have the confidence that you have in Hudson’s return to form. Like you say, he’s a good value IF he pitches like he did prior to last year.

Anyway, your response was well-put. Thanks.

By Arkansas Hillbilly

January 2, 2007 02:12 PM | Link to this

Well DOB,

I got a wake-up phone call on New Years Eve at about 11:45 Central time, from a good friend of mine (graduated high school with me) who now lives in Athens, GA. All I could hear was fans screaming and Patterson Hood singing “Bulldozers and Dirt.” Must have been a helluva show. Also wanted to add (since Matthew has apparently abandoned ship) that the Hogs got shut down by the Badgers in the Capital One Bowl. It’s amazing that we feature the Heisman runner-up, but won’t give him the damn ball.

By Ray

January 2, 2007 02:16 PM | Link to this

I would not Blank to own the Braves. The one thing that turned the Braves around and the Yankees is when the respective owners got out of the way and let their “baseball” people do their jobs. Cashman, and people like Mark Newman (who has in the last couple of years gotten out of ny because of George) were instrumental in building the Yanks to what they are.. unfortunately. Cox and Snyder and company and then JS help build the Braves. Point is, Turner and Steinbrenner were FINALLY intelligent enough to put their egos aside and let the people they hire do their jobs. Angelos obviously graduated Magna cum lauda from the “george steinbrenner” school of ownership. He is worse than THE BOSS ever was in getting too involved. He will not let his people do their jobs and that is one of the main reasons Baltimore a once proud franchise is barely ahead of a Tampa franchise. So I am all for a private owner providing he lets his baseball people do their jobs. Maybe Liberty will allow the budgets rise when that deal closes but more importantly does NOT cut budgets especially when it comes down to the scouting departments.

By David O'Brien

January 2, 2007 02:24 PM | Link to this

Thanks, Harry. You know, I left out a few CDs that I could easily and probably should have included, including Todd Snyder’s latest (The Devil You Know), My Morning Jacket’s live album, and the awesome CDs by Alejandro Escovedo (The Boxing Mirror), Rosanne Cash (Black Cadillac) re-issues by Merle Haggard, Billy Bragg and Lucinda Williams … just so much great stuff.

Maybe that Bruce rockin’ folk CD polarized people. But I tell you, for me it holds up well. I honestly just listened to it again yesterday, and there’s some great stuff on there, and to me it’s the sound of Bruce really enjoying the process and havin’ fun for the first time in a while. Watch the DVD that comes on the opposite side of the CD and tell me you don’t dig that. I mean, he ain’t faking it. At all.

On another note, did you happen to get the Born To Run remastered, three-CD set that came out a year or so ago? God, that’s great stuff, including the making-of documentary about the painstaking process that went into producing that beautiful rockin’ album.

I’d never call him a sellout. Ever. If he sold out, he’d avoid making political statements and offending a good percentage of his old fan base. If anything, as he’s aged and gotten comfortable with himself and his station, he’s said to hell with massive popularity and like him for what he is, or don’t like him. He doesn’t seem to much care, to me. And that’s cool.

I sort of agree on the timing of the “rising” song. But I honestly don’t believe he was exploiting the situation. He felt he was doing something, and that he needed or wanted to do something. A blip on the career, either way. Hardly going to effect how I view him in the big picture. He’s a towering figure in my view. Essential.

By KC

January 2, 2007 02:25 PM | Link to this

TennPaul: I wholeheartedly agree that too much should not be read into Peavy’s 2006 season.

And I never gave Hudson a “pass” for 06’. I’ve clearly said many times that he was awful last year. I have never tried to defend his 2006 season. Now, I do feel that his 04’ and 05’ seasons are often mischaracterized… and that statistically, he remained one of the better pitchers in baseball up until last season. I have also gone on record as saying that I believe he will pitch much better in 07’ than he did last year.

In regard to San Diego’s pitching… I see the point many of you have been making now. I didn’t know much about Hensley. It does appear the San Diego is in fact 4-deep in their rotation.

Still… Smoltz vs. Peavy? I’ll take Smoltz.

Young and (76 year old) Greg Maddux vs. Hudson and Hampton? Hard to know what they’ll get out of Maddux, and we don’t know for sure what Hudson and Hampton will do, so it’s hard to say.

Hensley vs. James… I don’t know, but it looks like a wash to me.

All in all, as I look at starting rotations right now, I think the Braves, Marlins, and Padres look the best. Though, honestly… when it comes to winning this year, I’ll still give a slight edge to Atlanta over either. Again… that’s because I think the odds are in favor of the Braves getting solid seasons from Hudson and Hampton, and they are experienced winners.

Either way… Atlanta has stronger bullpen than Florida, and a much stronger offense than either the Marlins or Padres. So when it comes down to it… the Braves have a more complete ball club. But I agree with you TennPaul, the Padres should be good next season. Should be a fun race to watch between them and LA in the west.

By TennesseePaul

January 2, 2007 02:26 PM | Link to this

Mark Bowman’s optimism in his 2007 Preview article served more to disappoint me than anything. I just don’t trust that guy. When he puts a positive spin on it, I get the impression he’s seeking a silver lining that isn’t there. This impression would exist no matter what topic Bowman covers. I don’t know why. Maybe it’s because Bowman copies DOB so much. When Bowman goes out on his own, he’s usually incorrect, to put it politely. Basically, I felt better about the season until I read Bowman’s feel good article.

I think this team will do well and I hope that the injuries that hit the team all of last season, don’t come around again. I know NYM had blinders on and thinks the Braves lost last season due to a lack of talent. The truth was bullpen and injuries. Injuries to the pitching staff forcing the call up of what seemed to be a never ending march of crap. Barry, Shiell, Smith, and so on. A full season of healthy starters will do wonders to even last seasons pen. An improved pen will highlight as much. And a youthful foundation (McCann, McBride, Boyer, James, Davies, Francoeur, LaRoche, Thorman, Langerhans from our system alone), Larger and younger than the Mets (Reyes, Heilman, Wright), will ensure that the second best offense in the league will return.

Midway point last season, Braves withdrew Thomson from the team, dealt Sosa, Stablized the rotation with James, procured Wickman and corrected the mechanics of two relievers. The result was, the Braves played on par with a 90 win season. Prior to all those changes the Braves played on par with a 63 win season. Next years team should be a 90+ win team. And, if we get all the breaks, 162 win team with a perfect post season record. But I’m not counting on all the breaks for the Braves to win. Just some of them.

Another thing working against the Mets is the improvement the Phillies had after they started making trades at the all star break. Now, both the Braves and Phillies along with the Marlins are coming into ‘07 in better shape. The big change… the Mets signed another 40 year old outfielder, lost a few relievers and a starter.

By KC

January 2, 2007 02:29 PM | Link to this

MBATL: Yeah, again… I think the Braves interest in Glavine was perfectly understandable when you consider that what they were trying to do was to add Glavine and get a considerably return for Hudson.

By Thomas

January 2, 2007 02:32 PM | Link to this

Good article DOB:

I agree with what the braves are trying to do with kelly johnson, i sure like him better than martin prado. KJ is very pacient and he showed his great bat after his 2 for 34 streak, winning the player of the week. His has great pacience, and OBP, to be our leadoff hitter but the question for me is can he run as a leadoff hitter, can he make bunt base hits, can he steal bases. With Furcal gone this year, the stealing base department for the braves decreased an awful lot, our leader in that department was renteria with 17. What was kelly johnson high in SB in the minors?

By Thomas

January 2, 2007 02:32 PM | Link to this

Good article DOB:

I agree with what the braves are trying to do with kelly johnson, i sure like him better than martin prado. KJ is very pacient and he showed his great bat after his 2 for 34 streak, winning the player of the week. His has great pacience, and OBP, to be our leadoff hitter but the question for me is can he run as a leadoff hitter, can he make bunt base hits, can he steal bases. With Furcal gone this year, the stealing base department for the braves decreased an awful lot, our leader in that department was renteria with 17. What was kelly johnson high in SB in the minors?

By Ray

January 2, 2007 02:34 PM | Link to this

Dave, thanks for the Wagner stats. That was a question I had earlier today. What has he done when it mattered. Someone previously mentioned that ERA’s are not a good judge on the effectiveness of a pitcher. (Don’t feel like going back up to see) You are absolutely correct especially when it comes to relievers and closers. Look at the whip’s. Hits + walks per inning. For a starter a good sign is anything under 1.3 A reliever/closer has to be more effective than that. Curious what Wag’s is compared to Wickman.

By KC

January 2, 2007 02:39 PM | Link to this

TennPaul: You’ve got a good head on your shoulders… I can’t imagine why anything Mark Bowman writes would affect the way you feel about this team. Unless of course he points out something you hadn’t thought of previously, which was not the case here.

By David O'Brien

January 2, 2007 02:39 PM | Link to this

Hillbilly, I was wondering when someone might weigh in on New Year’s eve shows, either the DBTs, or Derek Trucks, or Widespread Panic, or whatever. Or did everyone stay home (probably the best choice on amateur night, right?)

By Fed Up

January 2, 2007 02:41 PM | Link to this

DOB:

Bruce’s “rise up” song, “My City of Ruins,” was written about Asbury Park. It became identified with 9/11 because it was on “The Rising” and because it was part of one of the 9/11 telethons. I agree with you about the Seeger Sessions, not a great CD, but a really good one. Reminds me of “The Basement Tapes,” which for my money is one of Dylan’s best.

By David O'Brien

January 2, 2007 02:43 PM | Link to this

KC, yes, everyone in organization is honestly optimistic about Hampton, not just saying it because they know they’re stuck with his contract and better hope he does well.

And by the way, don’t count out the Rockies in the West. Seriously. They showed me something with all those young position players last season. Got some really good young hitters.

By Charles

January 2, 2007 02:45 PM | Link to this

TN Paul:

Many people try to find a silver lining in the clouds, unfortunately lightning kills many of those people before they can find it.

I agree that the Braves will be much better than 2006. They made some excellent moves. It just remains to be seen whether Hudson’s off-season workouts will improve his pitching and Hampton being able to regain form. I think that Smoltz will put up excellent numbers and the rest will fall in behind.

I don’t believe that the Mets will be able to continue on their pace like last year. They have lost Pedro for now, and I don’t think he will return to form after the surgery. And Glavine will reach 300 wins, but they have over spent, and over spending does not always lead to championships (see Yankees). The Braves have a shot if they get the right mentality of wanting to win and leadership stepping up throughout the season, not just when things get rough.

By MBATL

January 2, 2007 02:46 PM | Link to this

KC - God, I try to just say ‘nice argument’ and let it go, but you keep coming back and preaching to me.

Okay, IF the Braves wanted to trade Hudson “for value” and if no one in the league wanted to offer value for him, doesn’t that suggest that maybe, just maybe, the professionals in baseball don’t have confidence in him either?

As you said, the market for starting pitching is through the roof, but we couldn’t get anything of value for Tim Hudson?

All I’m saying is that the professionals in baseball don’t seem to share your confidence; the Braves apparently more than willing to trade a 30-year-old former 20-game winner, and no one in the league willing to put up anything of value for him.

Again, I like Tim Hudson and am glad to have him.

Oh, and Bowman, and all the mlb.com “beat writers” are P.R. tools for the league, and would put a positive spin on the ‘62 Mets.

By KC

January 2, 2007 02:50 PM | Link to this

TennPaul: “the Braves played on par with a 90 win season.”

I think this is the most tangible reason for Braves fans to be optimistic. The fact of the matter is that, had Wickman and Soriano been in the Atlanta bullpen on opening day last season, the Braves’ would have won better than 90 games last season. I’m positive of it. And that’s with Hudson struggling and without Hampton in the rotation at all.

Let’s say the Braves don’t get much from Hampton or Hudson this season. They’ll still have an excellent shot at a 90-plus win season, using the same formula that Mets used last year: great offense and bullpen, with a couple good starters.

If the Braves get good seasons from both Hudson and Hampton, they’ll have a realistic shot at a 100 win season.

By Harry

January 2, 2007 02:56 PM | Link to this

DOB- Have you checked out the Decemberists? First saw them @ Telluride Bluegrass last summer. Pretty good stuff, although recent album disappoints a bit. By the way, you need to take a week off from the Braves in June and hit Telluride. Amazing venue and always a good lineup. I’m waiting for Lucinda and Gillian to get back in the studio.

By Shaun

January 2, 2007 02:56 PM | Link to this

Ray,

Actually WHIP is not too good either. Whether a ball in play is an out or a hit depends largely on things outside of the pitcher’s control (defense, chance, etc.). The best thing to look at when evaluating pitchers are things that the pitcher can control—strikeouts, walks, homeruns.

By KC

January 2, 2007 02:57 PM | Link to this

Ray and Shaun: I agree that ERA doesn’t always tell the whole story when it comes to relievers, but when it comes to starters… ERA is the most accurate measurement of a pitchers success.

A pitcher’s job is to keep the other guys from scoring. Period. Hits, walks, strike outs, ground/fly ball ratios… those stats ultimately mean nothing. It’s all about preventing your opponent from scoring runs.

Now there are 2 things to keep in mind regarding a starter. First, his ERA can vary a little based on how well the bullpen handles inherited runners.

Also, innings pitched per start is an important stat for a starter, because if he’s overworking the bullpen, that detracts from whatever he gives you ever 5 innings or so (please see Jorge Sosa in 2005).

But all in all, ERA is a simple measurement of how many runs a pitcher allowed per 9 innings. No statistic is more relevant or telling of a starting pitcher’s success.

By brian

January 2, 2007 02:58 PM | Link to this

There are a lot of “ifs” in the Braves starting rotation. They will be very good if: 1. Smoltz stays healthy and continues with his dominating stuff another year 2. Hampton returns to full health, stays healthy, and reverts to his form when he was with Houston that he has shown flashes of in Atlanta 3. Hudson returns to form or close to it or at the very least does not continue his decline 4. Chuck James shows that last year was not a fluke and he is for real 5. We find a 5th starter - whether it is Kyle Davies shows more than potential or Cormier or Villareal steps forward and takes the job.

I am most confident with #4.

It still burns me up that Andruw will walk next year and the Braves will get nothing in return. If we are going to act like cash strapped franchise then we need to truly act like one and trade our veteran in a contract year to rebuild for the future and get help for the present. I know that Andruw has to agree to a trade, but if the right one came along and there is no chance of him staying with the Braves it should be done. Unless it looks like the Braves have a legitimate shot for the World Series, there is no way I would let Boras simply use this year with the Braves to audition for the highest bidder. I would make Boras’s, and yes Andruw’s, life more difficult if they vetoed a trade that would help the Braves to a club he would consider (and that would be willing to give him his contract). The Braves would never do that, but I get tired of watching Boras refuse all trades and screw teams just so his player can have a comfortable “walk” year.

By tfbrave

January 2, 2007 02:59 PM | Link to this

Kelly’s high in SB was during his only 20/20 season in the minors at Macon. He had 23 HRs and 25 SBs. He has not stole more than 12 since.

By David O'Brien

January 2, 2007 03:01 PM | Link to this

Anyone want to feel sick to start the new year? Here you go. From the San Francisco Chronicle:

$4,910 – Per-pitch pay of Giants newly signed pitcher Barry Zito, who signed a seven-year, $126M contract, if he matches last season’s total of 3,666 pitches.

By Lew

January 2, 2007 03:08 PM | Link to this

Efrim-No one has said anything about the Braves winning the World Series this year. What we’ve said, conistently to you and NYM, is that with the addition of Wickman and Soriano, that we feel we have the chance to take the division back. It won’t be easy, but it is doable as a result of these additions and the improvement of the bullpen as a whole. We don’t feel that the Mets can overcome two succesive years of having sub par pitching. Yes, they did it last year, but we don’t see them continuing in that regard. We also don’t see the Phillies as having the pitching, either. Now there are definitely questions on our own staff, but the odds are still in our favor in that regard (I refer you to KC’s arguments regarding Hampton and Hudson). Now in regards to Hudson, he DID win 13 games for a team that was 4 games under .500. To use a NY expression, That ain’t chopped liver. His problems came after the fifth and were compounded by a lousy bullpen. If we wwere to get Gonzalez, or someone comparable, which is likely to happen, he can go five with no problem. He’s now got his back covered. The same with Hampton-he won’t have to pitch 7 or 8 innings coming back from surgery. You just have to face it that the Braves are a better team than last year, and less likely to have an extended losing streak like last June. That is what did us in. We were never able to recover. As far as the Series. Right now, I would be much more concerned with the Dodgers, Padres, and maybe the Cubs than the Mets and Phillies. These teams may have put together groups that could be very good. Only IF the best happens with our rotation, will we have a good chance at the World Series. We’ll see. Now Anonymous-We don’t want Trachsel. Also, I don’t see the Braves trading Escobar AND Andrus. That’s plain stupid.

By KC

January 2, 2007 03:12 PM | Link to this

MBATL: I typed all of that before your post in which you said “nice argument”. Just one of the idiosyncrasies of the delay for before a post goes up. =)

MB, the Braves were also shopping Adam LaRoche. Does the fact that no trade has been completed mean that other teams obviously don’t think enough of him to offer anything of value. No. It simply means that the Braves haven’t found a package they deem worth parting with his services.

Now in the Marcus Giles situation… the Braves were apparently just looking to get something worth mentioning in return for him in the process of shedding his salary, but nobody would bite. Giles and Hudson are two very different scenarios. It was imminent that the Braves were going to shed Giles salary one way or the other. No one was willing to give up much for the opportunity to pay a struggling second-baseman 5 million dollars.

There are many teams that would love to have Tim Hudson right now at 10.66 million a season (avg.) over the next 3 years. That’s been proven by the kinds of contracts handed to guys like Padilla, Lilly, and Eaton. When a trade doesn’t happen, there’s only one thing we can know for certain… the team offering that player wasn’t offered enough to part with his services. That doesn’t mean other teams weren’t willing to offer anything of value, nor does it mean the Braves think Hudson will be the second coming of Christ in ’07.

My point was simply that if the Braves didn’t believe in Hudson at all, he’d already be gone. That’s all I’m saying.

By JCB

January 2, 2007 03:14 PM | Link to this

Efrim you said, and I quote “But I just think that the Phillies and Mets will both make the playoffs next year, leaving the Braves with a third place finish. Reasons why?? Tim Hudson and Mike Hampton. I just don’t see them winning a combined 30+ games”

My question to you then is this, do you really see Glavine and Hernandez winning 30+ games this year? If so, you are on some good drugs.

By KC

January 2, 2007 03:18 PM | Link to this

brian: I understand what you’re saying about Hudson and Hampton, but it’s a bit of a stretch to classify Smoltz or James as “ifs”.

If you’re going to do that, you could take any team and start pointing out “ifs”.

The Padres could have a good rotation IF Peavy can bounce back from a mediocre season, and if Young and Hensley don’t suffer sophomore slumps, and if Maddux can give them quality innings at his age.

The Marlins could have a good rotation IF Dontrelle Willis can be more consistent, and their young guys can continue their early success.

Of course anything can happen. We can’t predict the future. But Smoltz and James can not really be classified as “IFs”.

By David O'Brien

January 2, 2007 03:18 PM | Link to this

Harry, loved a few songs off that first Decemberists CD, Picaresque (or however it’s spelled). Good band.

My sister lives in Boulder (actually Lafayette, next to Boulder) and she and her husband are huge bluegrass fans who go to that festival and to Rockygrass every year. She said same thing about Telluride, that it’s an incredible festival.

Personally, I’d like to go to Coachella one year in California.

By berigan

January 2, 2007 03:25 PM | Link to this

DOB, as a long time Cards fan(Born and raised in St. Louis) thanks for the story on the salty tongued Mike Shannon! He’s been doing games for at least 30 years, and really amazed how he can turn that on and off!

By Greg in TN

January 2, 2007 03:26 PM | Link to this

Hello everyone…

Daybed, just to give you a little more background, on May 11, 1977, Ted gives Dave Bristol ten days off without pay and decides that he will take over as manager. He lost 2-1 to the Pirates in Pittsburgh and the next day NL President Chub Feeney and MLB Commissioner Bowie Kuhn kicked him out of the dugout due to a longstanding rule prohibiting managers from having a financial stake in their teams. I remember an interview one time with Phil Niekro, that night’s starting pitcher, who went up to Ted at the batting cage and asked where in the batting order he would be hitting. According to Phil, Ted responded “Where do you want to hit?” Vern Benson managed the team until Bristol returned. Oh, and Ted did wear a uniform (#27 to be specific).

I’ve followed the conversation in terms of Ted, Steinbrenner and others and they’re successes and failures. I think Ted finally saw the light and decided to begin putting more trust in his baseball folks once Bobby Cox returned to Atlanta after the 1985 season as GM. I think that’s when the tide started turning for the better. It still took several years and we had to endure some rather brutal teams, but when Bobby decided to fire Russ Nixon and take the field manager duties, he turned over a much stronger franchise to JS than what he inherited and JS took the franchise to the next level.

I think Steinbrenner finally figured that out himself, however I think that before too long, Torre will be out in NYC and the Boss will dig back in and micromanage Cashman to death. He can’t help himself. Although Jerry Jones has a better track record, I put him in the same boat.

One thing I forgot to mention in my remarks yesterday is the work Glenn Hubbard is doing with Kelly Johnson at 2B. Having played a little of both in my youth, there are lots of little things that is different at 2B if you’re used to playing SS. I think KJ should be able to adjust, especially with Hubbard working with him.

KC, count me as an optimist also. While we can’t go out and just sign a free agent or two to fix everything, I am happy to see what has happened since the last out of ‘06. I think Hampton will pitch fine in ‘07 and I think Hudson will pitch better. Smoltz will be Smoltz. I don’t think he’ll feel the pressure that he did last year to carry the starters on his shoulders. I think Chuck James will have a solid second season. And if we get to Disney and JS sees a need either at 2B or LF or in pitching, I think he goes out and works to address it.

By luke

January 2, 2007 03:31 PM | Link to this

David O’Brien

Any truth or credibility to the following 3-way trade:

o Braves send Adam LaRoche to the Pirates

o Pirates send Mike Gonazalez and Zach Duke to the Braves

o Braves send Zach Duke, Salty, and Escobar to the Devil Rays for Carl Crawford

Carl Crawford and Mike Gonzalez added to what we have already would make us a formidable opponent

This rumor overheard from an MLB scout at Twin Cities airport…

By David O'Brien

January 2, 2007 03:31 PM | Link to this

Fed Up, thanks for that reminder about the Springsteen song. I think he might have made minor tweaks to it, or maybe didn’t even do that, but it came out when it did, and he sort of associated with 9/11 or didn’t go out of his way to refute the association or whatever. Anyway, yes, you’re exactly right about it being about Asbury Park.

Kind of like how some associate “Born in the U.S.A.” with rah-rah nationalism, which it really isn’t about. I think the raw, acoustic versirn in the U.S.A.” , recast as more a blues number on one of his live albums, is much closer to the spirit of the song.

The Boss:

“Had a brother at Khe Sanh/Fighting off them Viet Cong

“They’re still there,/he’s all gone

He had a woman he loved in Saigon/I got a picture of him in her arms now…”

Spare, stark, genius. That’s Bruce.

By the way, good comparison of Seeger Sessions to The Basement Tapes. Never thought of that, but it works.

By KC

January 2, 2007 03:32 PM | Link to this

JCB

Agreed. I’ve said it numerous times lately, but again… If Wickman and Soriano had been in the pen on opening day last year, Atlanta would have won 90-plus games, guaranteed. And would be without Hampton and with a struggling Hudson.

The Braves have an excellent shot at winning 90-plus this year regardless of what happens with Hampton and Hudson. But if those 2 come through… the Braves could wind up comfortably taking the division. IF both Hampton and Huddy are healthy and sharp, the Mets and Phillies just don’t have anything to compete with that.

The Braves will have one of the best bullpens in the league this year. Believe it. And they’ve already proven that they have one of the best offenses. Lets see… great offense, a great bullpen, and at least a couple good starters… hmmm… wasn’t there a team that won a division with that formula recently? OH YEAH… the Mets. If Hudson and Hampton don’t come through, we’ll be left with the exact same formula the Mets used to win last year.

By DonCoburleone

January 2, 2007 03:37 PM | Link to this

I would feel a heck of a lot more comfortable going into next season with Kelly Johnson as our starting second baseman rather than Martin Prado… KJ’s swing is soooo pretty, and Prado just seems like nothing more than a good minor-leaguer… I hope Johnson can improve his defense enough to get that starting spot…

So DOB, I guess the LaRoche front has cooled down then???

By Amanda

January 2, 2007 03:41 PM | Link to this

Hoping that KJ can have a good year. Does he have a girlfriend? Can you do a interview with him some time soon.

By DonCoburleone

January 2, 2007 03:41 PM | Link to this

DOB said: “Personally, I’d like to go to Coachella one year in California.”

Why exactly would you want to go to Coachella DOB? Out here in California we’ve nicknamed it “Crotchella”. Not a very good/cool/pretty/weather tolerable place to be…

By Ray

January 2, 2007 03:42 PM | Link to this

KC, The reason why whip and even oba is a better measure is because if guys are not getting on base then they are not scoring. Brandon Webb had a GREAT whip and oba and was not that high in K’s. Plus I would rather have a guy that is having a 7-12 pitch inning than a guy that is having 16-22 pitch inning which is typical for your high strikeout pitchers. If you ask most scouts and pitching coaches, they look at a guy with a low whip and oba a little more so than ERA. Not saying its unimportant because of course it is. Bottom line is they are all somewhat related and these are just another reason why we all love baseball.

By Black Knight

January 2, 2007 03:43 PM | Link to this

DOB,

Have you heard of Edwin McCain? What do you think of him as a musician?

By David O'Brien

January 2, 2007 03:43 PM | Link to this

Laptop ate up part of my sentence, the part about the “acoustic version of Born in the U.S.A.”

LUKE, don’t know if there’s credibility to that report, but it looks way too good for Braves, way too bad for Pirates. Can’t imagine Braves getting Crawford AND Gonzalez and giving up only LaRoche, Salty and Escobar.

If they pull that off, it’d be the best trade of the winter for one team (the Braves).

I’ll try to check it out, but my initial reaction is, too good to be true for Braves.

By KC

January 2, 2007 03:52 PM | Link to this

LUKE: Be honest… did you make up that trade scenario??

By KC

January 2, 2007 03:55 PM | Link to this

Ray: Yes, I understand the logic there. But there are guys that pitch well with runners on base, and get the same results in terms of the number of runs they allow as another pitcher who allows fewer runners.

In the end, it’s allow about how many runs a pitcher allows to score.

By Daybed Wagmoe

January 2, 2007 03:56 PM | Link to this

DOB - thanks for the answer.

now for something extremely weird and coincidental: i put “born in the usa” on my ipod right as i opened this blog, and it was playing as i saw your comments on it. my choosing that song had nothing to do with reading your blog — i had no prior knowledge that you were writing about it. WEIRD.

By DonCoburleone

January 2, 2007 03:56 PM | Link to this

Definately sounds too good to be true for the Braves…

By Ray

January 2, 2007 03:58 PM | Link to this

Its only a rumor and not much of one as in credibility but WOW,, one can hope. Carl Crawford and Gonzo completely unreal. I personally like Kelly Johnson at 2nd over Prado as well. If KJ gets off to a decent start then he will have a very good year. Would not be shocked if Blanco gets put in the mix because of a very productive spring. KC, I do agree with you completely in regards to Hudson and Hampton. I think the health and the determination (focus) that those two have that they will perform especially Hudson like it was his walking year.

By AdirondackDave

January 2, 2007 04:09 PM | Link to this

Luke — Littlefield may not be the sharpest tack in the box but Gonzo and Duke straight up for LaRoche is quite a stretch.

By Greg in TN

January 2, 2007 04:13 PM | Link to this

Oops, in referring to Ted’s one day managerial experience in baseball, I should have said that he gave Dave Bristol ten days off with pay.

DOB, think you’re right as far as not overlooking the Rockies and about Arizona’s staff if and when they get Randy Johnson. Colorado looks like they have a solid lineup with Helton, Holliday and Atkins. I just wonder how much they’ll miss Jennings and how their pitching will fare. Another season of Brandon Webb and the potential addition of Randy Johnson makes the snakes a much more dangerous team out west.

By brian

January 2, 2007 04:15 PM | Link to this

KC - you can check my posts from last spring training if you want to see what I really think about Chuck James. I said then he was special and had nasty stuff and should be in the rotation. I believe I was shot down by Mr. DOB who said he would start in the minors or in the bullpen (always the realist DOB, but at least my faith was well placed). I love Smoltz as well as I dropped a bundle on autograph Smoltz items.

They still are ifs - strong ifs if you ask me and ifs I would want. James still does not have a full season in the majors, and Smoltz’s age and surgeries do make him an if whether we want to believe that or not.

Most teams do have a lot of “ifs” so it is not unique to the Braves. That is why JS is hopefully trying to better the team. It seems like the only IF that does not apply to the Braves is IF Andruw will leave the Braves when his contract is up

By Ron

January 2, 2007 04:20 PM | Link to this

Luke, No way the Braves will ever even sniff the likes of Zack Duke. No way that trade ever happens, wish it did though!

By MBATL

January 2, 2007 04:21 PM | Link to this

Littlefield has said (for whatever that’s worth) that he will NOT break up the Pirates young rotation. I doubt that rumor has any legs. I doubt the Pirates would give up Duke and Gonzalez for Laroche, and I doubt TB would trade Crawford for Duke, Escobar and Salty. Maybe Baldelli, but not Crawford.

KC… gotcha on the ‘delay’ thing. Man, I’m really excited about the Braves in ‘07, but find myself arguing against them because you’re so over-the-top. Keep it up, though, it’s fun.

By Ray

January 2, 2007 04:24 PM | Link to this

Apparently the D backs are going to have new uniforms and the Dodgers are going to have names on teh back of jerseys for the first time in quite a few years. DOB, you may or may not be able to confirm this but this is nothing more than an interesting tidbit. Talked to one of the uniform manufacturers several years ago and they said during the season when there is a trade, they are notified about 48 hours before it is released so the uniform can be made and ready for the player when he arrives to his new club. Like I said nothing more than an interesting tidbit and IF that is the case, how cool if you were at one of the manufacturers and knew about the trade a day or two before it was “released.” I guess we can only HOPE that Littlefield lost his mind and did that trade.

By KC

January 2, 2007 04:36 PM | Link to this

MBATL: In my 2:08pm post, I outlined exactly what I expect, what I think the odds are on Hudson/Hampton, etc. Please read that and tell me what exactly is over the top (link below).

http://www.ajc.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/ajc/braves/entries/2006/12/31/reitsma_leaving.html#comment-906923

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not offended or upset in the slightest by your saying that… that’s fine, but I’m genuinely curious what it is I believe about this team that you find over the top.

By AdirondackDave

January 2, 2007 04:49 PM | Link to this

I’d be interested in knowing from Dave or anybody else about the player/agent relationship, terms, services provided, etc. It’s easy to see why an agent is valuable to a player through his arbitration years and especially at free agency, but not so clear during a players other years in the majors.

By TennesseePaul

January 2, 2007 04:53 PM | Link to this

KC: I know where you’re coming from on San Diego. I don’t hold it against anyone that Hensely didn’t pop into their head. But he was really good for what was pretty much his first season. Maddux should only help that situation. But I don’t think the Dodgers are going to be that great. They lost more than they gained it seems. They lost defense in the outfield and power in the line up when JD left. I know the oft-injured halfass isn’t a team player, but he makes an impact when he’s in there. They replaced him with Pierre. Pierre is a down-grade even to an injured Drew. I wouldn’t be surprised if the D-Backs make more of a run against the Padres than the Dodgers. They’re rotation has the potential to have 2 Cy Youngs in it if they get Randy. The Dodgers are loaded with back end starters and a potential DL trip from a back sliding half wit. Sorry, I just can’t buy into all the hype on Schmidt.

Schmidt, after 150 games was on par with Lily, Meche, and behind Marquis. Schmidt then put up about 3 good seasons, then started going back to where he was prior. He isn’t worth what he’s paid or the hype that he is given.

By Ray

January 2, 2007 05:05 PM | Link to this

In regards to the player/agent relationship. For contract work, the agent gets up to 4% that is a maximum set by MLB. Pretty standard for all sports. Then when it comes to the endorsements, the agent can get up to 20%, again pretty standard. Other services, pretty much whatever the player wants the agent to handle. Some you don’t see it as often any more but some still give “power of attorney” to the agent. Not a wise move. SO Boras on the Zito deal look at 4%. I know he got that in the AROD deal. Not bad. And the requirements from the governing bodies in the various sports are really no big deal. Fill out the application pay your $$ (filing fee) And go to your once a year seminar. Also quicker to get approved if you already have a client. Hope that helps Adir/dave

By brian

January 2, 2007 05:06 PM | Link to this

Luke- I think that would follow under DOB’s category is he doesn’t have time to follow up on every outlandish rumor that is out there. Too good to be true usually is. Man would that be nice though. Even better would be Duke plus Salty or Escobar for Baldelli.

Any chance JS drops Gonzalez from the discussion and tries to get Duke or Maholm. Or in the 3 way with the Yankees try to pry in a package to get Humberto Sanchez?

By TennesseePaul

January 2, 2007 05:21 PM | Link to this

Apparently the D backs are going to have new uniforms and the Dodgers are going to have names on teh back of jerseys for the first time in quite a few years

Dodgers had their names OFF the uniforms when McCourt bought the team. They are putting them back on now after a 3 year hiatus. There was much speculation that Trading DePot took them off because he was going to be butchering the entire orginization and didn’t want the fans to be constantly reminded of the turn-over rates. That and the initial fear that McCourts parking meters would require budget cuts, which resulted in removing the names so that when the Trading DePot started swinging the ax, the team wouldn’t have to spend as much on altering the uniforms. DePot worked very hard at fielding some truly terrible teams, but in the end he was rightly fired.
The Diamondback uni’s look much better than the purple and teal of yesteryear, but honestly, I’m sick of every team wearing red. I truly hope the Braves will move away from that home-alt-sunday-day-game red/orange uni they’ve sported the last 2 seasons. It looks bad. (Though not as bad as the Mets black and blue bruiser uni’s… how the hell did black get into the color scheme? I’m not a Met fan, but the Met colors are better when they are two tone and neither tone is Yankee Black). And that new logo they put with the Braves Orange Jersey, the A with a tomahawk through it, reminds me of when Disney owned the Angles and put the stupid wing on the logo. These are ideas I’d expect from a middle school home-ec class.

By AdirondackDave

January 2, 2007 05:25 PM | Link to this

Thanks, Ray. I appreciate that. No aspirations myself, I’m an old geezer. As they say, “enquiring minds want to know.”

By Ron

January 2, 2007 05:28 PM | Link to this

MBATL, dude if Duke, Escobar, Salty were in a deal for Crawford the Rays would accept. Duke had his sophomore slump, and will be their number 2 starter behind Kazmir, WOW two great young Leftys gotta love that, and Salty will be their future 1B or Catcher. And Escobar could be their future SS or if he has a very good year in the Minors they might can get a good young Pitcher for him. It favors everybody except the Pirates, so it wont happen. The D-Rays would then be able to keep Baldelli, and he would then be their leadoff man.

By Ron

January 2, 2007 05:30 PM | Link to this

Luke, how old is that Rumor, when is the first time you heard that rumor?

By TLJ

January 2, 2007 05:39 PM | Link to this

NYM,

Just saw your post about Wickman being 38 and overweight. Have you taken a look at your team lately??? Your # 1 and # 2 starter are both 40, Pedro if he returns will be 35 and Wagner is 35. Your starting catcher is 35, 1b 35, 2b 37, lf 40, cf 30 and rf 33. Your # 1 sub is 48. Your whole 40 man roster only has a few players under 30.

Does age only matter when it is a brave player?

Wickman maybe over weight but the dudes mentioned are all ugly.

By MBATL

January 2, 2007 05:47 PM | Link to this

Ron, I don’t agree. I don’t think Escobar is so well viewed around the league. And the Rays are demanding “impact pitching” for Baldelli… what more do that want for Crawford?

But, probably isn’t worth arguing over, cause I don’t think the Pirates are trading Duke and Gonzalez for Adam.

By Lew

January 2, 2007 05:48 PM | Link to this

If we got Duke and Gonzalez and kept them both, we could laugh at the rest of the division-this year and several more to come.

By MBATL

January 2, 2007 05:50 PM | Link to this

KC, let’s start with Davies. He’s got a 6.15 era as a starter over 2 years (and plus-8 last year), but you’ve put him at 4.33. Why?

You’ve got Hudson at 3.14, which he hasn’t done since ‘03, and he was at 4.86 last year; I can see knocking off a few tenths on faith, but a run and three quarters?

Hampton, you predict a 2.90 second half. He posted a 2.90 in ‘99, but his career no. is 3.98 (granted, a couple of years at Coors boosted that number, but still, that’s as well as he’s ever pitched).

And Smoltz pitched his heart out to post a 3.49, but you’ve bumped him down to 3.21.

James - I’d agree with that prediction.

I suspect that SOME of these guys will meet your expectations; but others will struggle or get hurt and be replaced by Villarreal (whom I like), Cormier, Travis Smith, etc. I don’t think our starting rotation will go 76-41 with a 3.65 as you suggest - hope so, but I doubt it.

Our starters posted a 4.71 era last year. The best in the league, San Diego, posted a 4.10. If we can cut half a run, we’ll be in good shape with an improved bullpen and a good offense.

By TLJ

January 2, 2007 05:50 PM | Link to this

Efrim, there you go again making statements that no one really posted. To my knowledge no brave from this blog has stated the braves would be in the world series. What has been posted is the braves will be better this year. The pitching should be better due to Hampton returning, James being a member of the rotation all season, adding Wickman and Soraino to the bullpen. The offense should be about the same. Hopefully, this will be enough to challenge for the division championship.

Please read this carefully I am not saying the braves are going to the WS but they should be able to challenge for the division title and who knows what may happen after that.

By AdirondackDave

January 2, 2007 05:53 PM | Link to this

Not that it’s going to happen for 150 games, but isn’t the outfield of Andruw, Francoeur, and Langerhans probably the BEST DEFENSIVE unit of all time? I’ve been watching since the days of Joe D. and can’t think of one better. Al Kaline was also in some great outfields with Mickey Stanley but there was usually one weak link.

By Mrs. Stinky

January 2, 2007 05:56 PM | Link to this

Has anybody heard from that deadbeat so-called husband of mine??…p.s.—Hi Jackass!!!…xoxoxoxoxo

By TennesseePaul

January 2, 2007 06:01 PM | Link to this

Wickman maybe over weight but the dudes mentioned are all ugly.

LOL!

Best thing I read all day!

By Efrim D

January 2, 2007 06:05 PM | Link to this

Sorry guys, I thought KC said they would be in the World series. I guess I was wrong.

By Drummerdad

January 2, 2007 06:08 PM | Link to this

DOB, I liked your idea about Ron Villone. Keep LaRoche and the chemistry that’s developed. Pick up an effective lefty. Obviously the Pirates aren’t going to part with Gonzales on the terms Schuerholz wants. They’re looking at the team they’ve got and thinking that they’ll be in a good position to compete for the first time in a while. And, like the Braves, why do anything that would hinder that goal?

This thing with 2nd base intrigues me a bit. Nick Green played well when he filled in for Marcus a few years back. Hometown guy. He’s a minor league free agent in the Yankees system now. In hindsight, wouldn’t he be as strong a pickup as Woodward? What about Miguel Cairo? Or does that get to be a money issue?

By TLJ

January 2, 2007 06:13 PM | Link to this

I don’t think that trade will ever take place but it sure would have the experts talking.

By MEB

January 2, 2007 06:19 PM | Link to this

TennesseePaul… I agree with you about the Diamondbacks new uniforms. Way too much red throughout baseball. Their new uni’s look very similar to the Nationals, which I think are the worst in baseball. As for the Braves I would prefer the blue uniforms they sport during warm-ups and spring training. As for the alternate caps I really like the A with the tomahawk so much I wear one all the time.

By Jared

January 2, 2007 06:27 PM | Link to this

“This rumor overheard from an MLB scout at Twin Cities airport…”

Yeah right. There is zero chance of that happening. The Pirates wouldn’t give the Braves Paul Malholm with Mike Gonzalez for LaRoche, now they’re going to throw in Duke?

That “rumor” is a complete load.

By journalist jimmy smith

January 2, 2007 06:34 PM | Link to this

gasper whale. R.I.P. bad toes.

By The Grinch

January 2, 2007 06:38 PM | Link to this

Efrim, though in general I agree with KC, I do agree his predictions for our starter’s seasons next year are a bit overly optomistic. Smoltz’ ERA may indeed come down because of the improved bullpen. He came out too often in the 8th or 9th last year when he was gassed ‘cause he didn’t want to turn the ball over to Sosa, Reitsma or Remmy (who the hell would?); he won’t have to do that this year. 18 wins aren’t out of the question. James should win 15 if not injured. Hampton may very well only win 12-14 games (though 15 isn’t out of the question), but in the second half he’ll be as good as anyone and next year even better; it’s a matter of shaking the rust off. when he’s healthy and not in Colorado he’s one of the best pitchers in the game and a hell of a competitor. Hudson, even with an improved bullpen, isn’t likely to do a heckuva lot better than last year IMO. MAYBE 14 wins and a 4.00. This isn’t based on “well-researched trends,” but rather on my having watched the dude since we got him. He just ain’t that great. He’s a 4th starter who’s good for 5 innings (with an occasional quality start, just enough to make you confused and angry). Lew, you tossed this stat out earlier so back me up: Cormier has something like a 2.26 ERA when allowed to pitch over 5 innings. This may get me crucified here, but I honestly don’t think we’d be any worse off putting Villareal and Cormier in the 4 and 5 slot and moving Hudson to long relief. I’m not saying it would be BETTER, and I know the respective salaries don’t justify it, I’m just saying the three are about interchangeable production wise when it comes right down to it. Let’s review this at this time next year and see if I’m off my rocker or not. Betcha they’re closer than you think.

By Huh?

January 2, 2007 06:41 PM | Link to this

Has anyone heard of the “Money toe”?

By DonCoburleone

January 2, 2007 06:45 PM | Link to this

MBATL, you should be well aware by now that KC is the eternal optimist. I mean, we are reasonable people, but KC throws reason in the toilet with his predictions…

By Jared

January 2, 2007 06:50 PM | Link to this

Bucco Blog (google it) says the Braves-Pirates-Angels are close to some three-way trade. I know the site is untrustworthy, but it’s still interesting. Doesn’t say exactly what the trade is, except the Pirates get Kotchman, so I would guess:

Braves get: Chrone Figgins, Mike Gonzalez Pirates get: Casey Kotchman Angels get: Adam LaRoche

By Ron

January 2, 2007 06:50 PM | Link to this

MBATL, You are right it is not worth arguing because there is no chance that the Pirates trade both Duke and Gonzalez for LaRoche, but the trade is interesting for the Braves and D-Rays. Let me just say one thing about Duke, I think you undervalue him, In three years from now he will be top 10 in Baseball Pitchers. Maybe better than that, so if they could get Duke they would trade Crawford in a hurry, Duke is alot better than James, hate to say that but it is true. I admit Littlefield is not a great GM, but lookin at that really good group of young Pitchers he has, changes my mind a little bit about him, but only if they could produce good young players at other positions, that might be a special team in the Future.

By Ron

January 2, 2007 07:02 PM | Link to this

Since we are talkin about Crazy trades, I heard this one in the Bathroom at the Winter Meetings!(HAHAHA) The Braves Trade Andruw to Texas for McCarthy, Kinsler, and Texiera, The Braves then trade Tex, and Davies to the Angels for Santana, Figgins, and Kotchman. The Braves then Trade LaRoche to the Orioles for Ray, and Penn. Then the Braves trade Penn, Salty, Escobar, Kotchman, Larew, and Devine for Baldelli or Crawford! Wow!!!! Heard that Rumor from Reliable Baseball people talkin about that while sitting on the toilet for about 15 minutes!

By DonCoburleone

January 2, 2007 07:03 PM | Link to this

Let’s just all thank God and remember the fact that Reitsma is gone!!!

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

January 2, 2007 07:05 PM | Link to this

Has anyone noticed that Luke has not reappeared since he dropped the bomb of this rumor? Luke, if that is indeed your real name (lol), where did you hear this from? Did you hear it personally? Did you read it somewhere? I have checked all of my normal rumor sites and nothing has been posted about this. While I would love for this deal to happen, Littlefield couldn’t possibly be that stupid. Could he? The Braves and Rays would come out of this smelling like a rose. The only way I would see a deal like this happening is if the Braves threw in Davies or Harrison.

By Ron

January 2, 2007 07:07 PM | Link to this

Jared, now if the Braves could get both Gonzalez and Figgins for LaRoche, damn great trade for Atlanta, too good to be true though. The Braves would kill two birds with one stone. WOW. But doubt that will Happen Though!!!

By The Grinch

January 2, 2007 07:12 PM | Link to this

Amen to that, DonC; that’s worth a New Year’s champagne toast.

By Robert

January 2, 2007 07:15 PM | Link to this

“Agent Mike Paolercio said six teams have made “legitimate offers” for Reitsma”

Poor Reitsma - The guy had tough times in Atlanta, but you have to remember that he was misused by his dipstick manager and also hurt for a significant amount of time

That said, I cant help but believe that Atlanta made him a “legitimate offer”, along the lines of “Leave quietly and we wont call security and wont charge you for your uniform”

I see we are also back to fantasizing about ridiculous trades that make no sense to anyone but the home team

Let’s talk football for just a moment.

Having just moved to Oklahoma, I can tell y’all that folks out here arent very fond of or impressed by SEC fdootball. The funny thing about is they arent “homering it” crowing about the Big 12, but rather they seem to think the Big 10 is god’s gift.

For what it’s worth, I’ve been trying to “learn ‘em”

Says here Florida not nonly BEATS Ohio State, but that they do it with relative ease

Florida 31 Ohio State 14

By KC

January 2, 2007 07:17 PM | Link to this

MBATL: Okay, first of all… I can’t make any passionate defense for all of those statistical predictions, because I just threw those out there for fun. If you want to know the things that I will seriously predict, argue for, and stand by… re-read my 2:08 post.

I don’t think any of those statistical predictions I threw out there are far fetched, but if I had to bet money, I would certainly be much more conservative on a couple of those predictions. In fact I have a friendly wager with GRINCH that Hudson’s ERA will be 3.75 or lower. I feel pretty good about my chance on that. But I wouldn’t bet a dime on Hudson finishing the year with a 3.14 ERA, because as I mentioned in my 2:08 post, I think there’s only slightly better than a 50/50 chance that he will return to his old Oakland form this season. So I cannot defend that. I was making predictions for fun, and decide to go out on a limb on that one.

As for Davies… I have no real reason to predict Davies at 4.33, except that he’s shown flashed of brilliance, and that the Braves (an organization traditionally better than average at judging young pitchers) continue to put faith in him, and seem to think he’ll be a quality starter at some point. Based on that, and that alone, I put Davies down for a 4.33. But I can’t and won’t defend that.

Now… there are a couple of those statistical predictions that I will seriously defend. First of all, yes… Smoltz had an ERA of 3.49, and I’ve bumped him down to 3.21. I did that for 2 reasons, and they both have to do with the bullpen:

First… before last season began, Smoltz said he was going to try to pitch fewer innings than the previous season, so he could have something left in the tank later in the year. Instead, with the condition of the bullpen, he actually threw more innings last year than in 05’, and started to wear down a bit late in the season.

Second, the bullpen affects starter’s ERAs by what they do with inherited runners. I’m pretty confident that the bullpen this year will do a better job with in inherited runners than last year’s pen.

With a better bullpen last year, I think Smoltz’s ERA would have been lower. That’s why I projected a lower ERA from Smoltz

Mike Hampton:

After all-star break in 2003: 9-3, 2.91 ERA

After all-star break in 2004: 9-1, 3.13 ERA

Also worth noting… from the all-start break in 04’ until he went on the DL in 05’: 13-2, 2.59 ERA

I don’t think a 2.90 second half ERA is unreasonable far fetched to expect from Hampton if he’s healthy and sharp.

By KC

January 2, 2007 07:23 PM | Link to this

DonCoburleone:

Please see my last post regarding the statistical predictions I made earlier. I threw those out there for fun. I will stand by my predictions for James, Smoltz, and Hampton… but not for Hudson (I think there’s only a 50/50 chance of my prediction on that being close to accurate). And I’m not really sure at all what to expect out of Davies.

GRINCH: Same thing man… read my last post. I agree that my prediction for Hudson, and possibly for Davies is definitely way on the optimistic side.

But hey… if I think there’s a 50/50 chance, and you ask me to guess one way or the other… why not go ahead and guess the better half?

By MBATL

January 2, 2007 07:30 PM | Link to this

KC, you’ve earned a spot on my debate team! Again, good responses. I don’t quite buy all of it, but you make your arguments pretty well.

Go Braves!

By brian

January 2, 2007 07:37 PM | Link to this

Len Barker autograph ball for sale on ebay 45 minutes left everybody. Speaking of one of the most awful trades. Brett Butler would have been nice to have for a while (as would have Brooks Jacoby)

By the way a Dan Kolb ball was for sale last week - big surprise, no bids

By NYM

January 2, 2007 07:39 PM | Link to this

TLJ, my point about Wickmans weight/age was that the two are good together. Yes, the Mets have players up in age too but you have to admit they are in better shape than Wickman. As far as looks go you’ll have to refer to GQ magazine or something for clarification on looks.

By NYM

January 2, 2007 07:48 PM | Link to this

I meant “Not Good” together…ooops

By David O'Brien

January 2, 2007 07:59 PM | Link to this

Hey, NYM worry about your own decrepit veterans. Leave the “stocky” Wick alone. Besides, I guarantee he’d kick anyone’s tail on the Mets.

(OK, just having some fun here. Relax…. But it’s true. Dude looks and acts like a dockworker, not a millionaire athlete.)

By Choppinmama

January 2, 2007 08:01 PM | Link to this

DOB:

I am so looking forward to a visit to Disney’s Dark Star again this spring. There’s nothing like walking into the stadium and seeing ALL of those Braves boys out there on the field in the Florida sunshine, even the guys with the tackle and guard numbers on their jerseys. “Hope springs eternal” has never been so true and heartfelt as in that moment for this Braves fan. It’s a new season, planning on #15 in 16.

How could LaRoche not be aware of his shaky status there for a couple of days? Must have been a really bad case of buck fever!

By Metropolitan Man

January 2, 2007 08:12 PM | Link to this

KC Read your “Formula post” about the braves winning the division with the same weapons the METs had last year and Hamton AND Hudson can have off years. The only problem with that is last year the braves would average 8-10 runs for a week and then score a total of 8 for a week. Even though the METS werent #1 in offense, they scored when they had to consistently. Of course leading the league in 1 run games didnt hurt, but the consistentsy was there even when the team struggled for runs. (manufactuing with an actuall leadoff guy). But I would love to see Hanpton and Hudson have an offseason just to prove your point, that would be nice.

By Robert

January 2, 2007 09:12 PM | Link to this

I have an idea

Let’s selectively put together the best halves any of the Braves have ever had and use those splits to make our projections for next year

And let’s not forget to include having a couple of teams trade us their best cheap stars for some of the guys who do nothing for us. (you know, Davies and Salty for Crawford, Zach Duke for Escobar, Pujols for Langerhans and Cox, stuff like that)

This is the way I did my own projections back in 7th grade

Heck, looks like the Braves win 140 some games

(and then Cox will take care of making sure they STILL dont win the World Series)

By MBATL

January 2, 2007 09:31 PM | Link to this

Just as a change of subject: thinking about ownership…

Blank bought the Falcons and got personally involved… but that has been pretty much exposed as a huge mistake and I think he’ll have a hard time hiring a quality head coach because personalities have become such a huge part of the job;

The Spirit, a bunch of ‘guys like us’ (except that they had a few million dollars to spend) bought the Hawks and Thrashers, and the Hawks are in worse shape than ever (which seems impossible). The Thrashers are doing well, thanks mainly to Hossa, whom we got in a desperation attempt to dump Heatly, but, whatever, I don’t know nothin’ bout hockey).

Gotta be careful about these pleas for private ownership. It’s worked for Cuban and the Mavs (to some extent), but not in some other cases.

By ernesto

January 2, 2007 09:38 PM | Link to this

I love it when people get on and write - “hey why do you all want to talk stupid trades that aren’t going to happen?” or whatever it is that’s up there blog hole, but looke There are people here hungry for baseball. They miss baseball. You’re on a baseball blog in January. YOu miss baseball. Be good with it. Enjoy.

By Lew

January 2, 2007 09:43 PM | Link to this

Grinch-Cormier had a 2.82 ERA when pitching over 51/3 innings, which he did about a dozen times. Villarreal has a 1.54 ERA and only given up runs in one of twelve outings in winter ball in Mexico at last report. It’s basically immaterial if Davies is ready or not. We have starters. JS has even talked about the possibility of Soriano starting in the future, though probably after Smoltz retires, I would imagine. Matt Harrison may well be ready bu July or August. He’s a LHP with good control and a strikeout to walk ratio of over two to one. We have pitching. Don’t the Mets wish they did?

By ILL-logical

January 2, 2007 09:58 PM | Link to this

Mora’s gone, just Billy Knight and John S to go.

Folks, there is no “budget” for the Braves: Time Warner just said you can’t continue to run $20 million + losses every year anymore. JS just cut back on players and tricked the media into saying that the goal was to win the division.Not cool.

By Jared

January 2, 2007 10:47 PM | Link to this

More from Bucco Blog:

“The latest I heard during was after Christmas and that was Littlefield was trying all he could to pry LaRoche away from the Braves without having to give up starting pitching with Gonzo. I’ve never heard Duffy’s name except in the papers. As for the ‘either they do or they don’t’ post, I’m hearing the Barves/Angels/and Pirates have been talking since the winter meetings about a Jones to the Angels deal that could trigger us getting a corner 1B. But again, the holdup seems to be Littlefield as he refuses to part with starting pitching for LaRoche. I suppose DL would allow Maholm to fly off the shelf with Gonzo for Kotchman instead but I think the Braves want to keep him. There is also another rumor out there that Will Carroll has been banging around that might get us Ryan Church for a song and dance but I think Littlefield is holding on waiting to see if he can cash in on the Braves/Angels deal instead of taking the lessor chip. That’s what I’m hearing among some other less credible rumors. There is a lot of chatter that a very big trade is going to be pulled off in the next couple of days and most think it is Jones so we’ll see.”

I highly doubt it, but I’ll be happy if the Braves get Mike Gonzalez and someone else that is good.

Barring a trade or injury, Davies will and should be the fifth starter. Cormier’s stats when he has pitched a number of innings are worthless. If something happens, Matt Harrison should step in, not Villarreal or Cormier.

By Ron

January 2, 2007 11:16 PM | Link to this

Jared, You actually want Ryan Church, he reminds me of Ryan Langerhans, but he has a little more power that Langerhans, but Langerhans is a better defensive player, not much difference between them. I looked on Bucco Blog and did not see anything about the Angels involved lately. I have not heard anything about Andruw being traded in a while, Carrol is the only source that I have heard that from, So I doubt that Andruw will be traded, at least for now. If Andruw was on the verge of being traded then everybody would be talkin about it, Just like the Randy Johnson trade rumors.

By coloradobravesfan

January 2, 2007 11:21 PM | Link to this

Was reading some interesting stuff over on the bucco blog to see what the rumors were over there. Thought this was interesting about how the guy over there thinks the young pitchers are over worked. Chone Smith recently penned an article on the various pitching projection systems used in 2006 and found ZIPS was the best, albeit it was worthless too with an r-value of just .459.

I did pretty good projecting Maholm and Duke last year - all things considered. And after researching, evaluating, and making some hard decisions on these two pitchers possible projections for 2007, I’ve come to the conclusion that there could be a bumpy road ahead.

I went back to the 1871 - 2006 database and evaluated third year baselines to get forecasts and here is what I came up with for Maholm and Duke:

Duke Maholm projection 4.43 5.19

Duke, unfortunately, could even be worse. The reason I say that is because Duke had 44 more innings of work between 2004 and 2005 and then in 2006 he was plus yet another 23 innings. Pitchers in the 1871 - 2006 database with at least 60 and less than 80 plus innings over their previous three years of work tanked considerably in their third year (+1.03 ERA over their 2cd year), but I gave him some benefit of doubt.

Maholm is even worse off.. he is plus 116 innings over the last three and 22.6% of the rookie pitchers who experienced 110 - 130 plus innings over their last three years ended up on the DL in their third year and saw a significant rise to their ERA (+2.21 ERA).

Those are not good signs.

Snell is fairly stable the last three, albeit he was plus 28 in 2006, which is high but not so high one has to start worrying. But if Ian heads toward the 210 innings range in 2007, he’ll be plus another 24 which will certainly be a worry in 2008 - if not late 2007.

Gorzelanny was plus 118 innings in one year - 2003 and that could be why he was seeing a barking elbow in 2006. His risk of injury is extremely high in 2007, especially since he was plus 26 innings from 2005 to 2006. There is no possible way Gorzy will be able to toss 200 innings in 2007 or he faces a significant risk of injury.. if not in 2007, certainly in 2008.

By Efrim D

January 2, 2007 11:32 PM | Link to this

Interesting article on Foxsports.com about the free agent class of next offseason. Many replacements for Andruw Jones, but none as good. I hope the Braves have a backup plan if they trade Laroche. Who is going to bat clean up when Andruw leaves??? The starting pitching market is okay. Nothing grabs my attention and nothing makes sense for the Braves. Linebrink is a free agent, Francisco Cordero is a free agent.

If we get Figgins and Mike Gonzalez for Laroche, I would have to call that a victory for the Braves. Improve the pitching, as well as acquire a lead off hitter. I just hope Thorman can handle the load at 1st base. Signing Craig Wilson to platoon with him wouldn’t be a bad idea. Here is the link:

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6327822

By Zac

January 3, 2007 12:22 AM | Link to this

Hey efrim, why do you keep posting here. Seriously, do you smoke crack? Everything you say is so compound failure I am blaming my masturbation on killing sperm that might impregnate your female kin.

By mr baseball

January 3, 2007 12:27 AM | Link to this

For all the talk about a LaRoche-Gonzalez trade, it doesn’t make a huge amount of sense from either viewpoint, especially the Braves. The Pirates ostensibly would replace Gonzalez with either Torres or Capps, which would clearly weaken them both in the closer and setup areas. LaRoche would be a big boost to their offense, but he might not offset the damage to the bullpen.

If the Braves were going to put Gonzalez in the closer role, it might make sense from their vantage point, but he’s projected as a 7th or 8th inning reliever, which in no way, shape or form is worth a potential 40 HR hitter. Thorman could be another Klesko. but he could just as easily be the next Brad Komminsk. It’s a risk not worth taking.

Trades that clearly weaken a team in one area while strengthening another don’t make sense. Here’s an idea that might benefit both the Braves & Pirates. Thorman to Pgh for either Marte or Grabow. If Thorman turns out to be a legit power-hitting 1B, the Pirates are happy and it’s no great loss to the Braves, who already have one of their own. If not, all the Pirates have given up is a decent LH reliever, which they would still have.

The Braves would be getting a serviceable 2nd lefty in the bullpen, which will come in very handy against the teams with heavy LH hitting lineups. Gonzalez is clearly better than either of the other 2, but the Braves won’t be creating a potential huge hole in the lineup.

It may not be as dramatic, but that trade makes a lot more sense than dealing LaRoche. The Braves could throw in a young infielder, which they have plenty of, if needed to sweeten the deal.

Since music is a popular topic here, what kind of a city are us Atlantans living in where you are more likely to hear Little Feat over the sound system at Longhorns than on an Atl radio station?

By David O'Brien

January 3, 2007 01:16 AM | Link to this

Mr Baseball, I like your thinking. And you’re right _ a lot of folks don’t seem to understand that strengthening the team in one area while weakening it in another usually doesn’t make a lot of sense, unless you have an absolute overabundance of that strength (and as good as the raw numbers, the season totals, were for the Braves offense last season, let’s be honest _ it was still a streaky unit. Subtract Giles from that and add no one of significance, and can you really afford to also subtract LaRoche? not without adding another key bat somewhere else, I’d suggest, and two big trades at this point in the offseason seems highly unlikely).

(wow that was a lot of words between parentheses)

The make-a-trade-just-because-we’re-tired-of-talking-about-trades approach isn’t exactly a sound way to construct a team.

As for your music point, so true. Radio is bad and getting worse here, like in most markets.

But how can such a major city, in the heart of a state that’s been so incredibly rich in great musical talent, people born or raised here, or who at least spent formative years here, from Ray Charles to James Brown, Allman Brothers to R.E.M., Little Richard to Isaac Hayes, Shawn Mullins to Jack Logan, Otis Redding to Curtis Mayfield, Georgia Satellites to Drivin’ & Cryin’, Chet Atkins to Vic Chesnutt, Guadalcanal Diary to Drive-By Truckers, and on and and on … how can we not have a slew of great, eclectic stations, or at least a few? OK, one?

I’d kill to have enough money to own a non-commercial station and be able to program the music, with no rules except the music must be good. Where’s a trust fund when you need one?

By David O'Brien

January 3, 2007 01:25 AM | Link to this

to clary, by overabundance of that strength, I was talking about the area of the team that you’re weakening in order to strengthen elsewhere, if that makes sense. in this case, the strength being offense, the area you’d be weakening in order to strength the bullpen. ok, it’s late. no one’s here anyway. later.

By Troy

January 3, 2007 08:54 AM | Link to this

Mr. Baseball- I agree with you, I like Gonzalez but I think giving up LaRoche for him would be a mistake. I really like your proposed trade, of Thorman for a different LH reliever. As it stands right
adding one more decent veteran arm to the pen would really help round out the team. Plus right now Thorman really doesn’t have a spot to play, I doubt he could be an everyday LF, and it would be safe to say that he wouldn’t likely outperform Laroche especially when you consider their defense. Trading Thorman doesn’t sound like much but it could add a nice piece to help make the Braves a more complete club.

By The Grinch

January 3, 2007 09:01 AM | Link to this

Morning, all. So, now statistics are a worthless way to evaluate a pitcher. Hmm. That’s a new one. So what basis should we use to evaluate them from now on, facial hair? That explains why Eck and Rollie Fingers are in the hall of fame, not their physical abilities or performance.

DOB, while I don’t necc. agree with your assessment of homegrown musical talent (I think REM is perhaps…no, definitely the single most overrated band in the history of recorded music and I’d rather have a 200 pound spanish chick in wooden clogs dance flamenco on my ‘nads for two straight hours than listen to Drivin’ n’ cryin’), I do agree Atlanta has never had a decent radio station and I can’t figure out why. I’ve spent a good bit of time travelling all over this country by car/truck and just about EVERY town with more than 5,000 people in it has at least one if not more station(s) that put any of ours to shame. That doesn’t make sense for the capital of the south. Got to go get some work done; maybe Wisenhunt will be the Falcons new coach by the time I’m finished.

By KC

January 3, 2007 09:04 AM | Link to this

Okay MetroMan, find some statistical truth for you assertion that the Mets were so much more consistent (offensively) than the Braves, and get back to me. Frankly, I don’t believe that’s true. But if you can prove what your saying in any way, I’m open to hearing it.

By KC

January 3, 2007 09:10 AM | Link to this

Metro Man: The Braves finished ahead of the Mets in runs, batting avg., OBP, OPS, slugging%, hits, and homeruns.

Please don’t try to spin this to make it appear as though New York was the better offensive team. They weren’t. Now I grant you, there was not a wide gap between these two teams offensively, and there won’t be this year either. But trying to spin last season so the Mets come out on top offensively… it just doesn’t hold water.

By KC

January 3, 2007 09:18 AM | Link to this

REM: Is by far the most amazing band in the history of the universe!!! Amazing, not because of their talent, but simply because they actually still had a career after Happy Shiny People Holding Hands. Any band that can release a song like that and still be taken somewhat seriously deserves the Bullet Dodger of the Century award.

By KC

January 3, 2007 09:40 AM | Link to this

RUNS SCORED BY MONTH (league rank):

APR: Braves-115 (9) / Mets-120 (8)

MAY: Braves-169 (1) / Mets-137 (10)

JUN: Braves-94 (16) / Mets-152 (1)

JUL: Braves-171 (1) / Mets-157 (2)

AUG: Braves-149 (2) / Mets-148 (3)

SEP: Braves-148 (4) / Mets-114 (14)

If you want to find inconsistency in the Braves season offensively, it’s pretty obvious where it was… June. The month that cost Atlanta their season. They finished dead last in the league in offense that month.

Both the Mets and the Braves got off to bit of a slow start with the bats… finishing 8th and 9th respectively in runs scored in April. After that, they both had one month each in which they finished at or near the bottom of the league, and in the other 4 months… both scored a lot of runs and did it consistently.

By Carroll

January 3, 2007 09:46 AM | Link to this

Grinch: I used to think the same thing about the Atl radio stations, but after spending a few years in Jacksonville and Tallahassee, 99x now seems like gold. Also, the sports talk radio in Atl kicks arse (i.e. Buck-n-Kinkaid)!!! Downb here all the EVER talk about is the stupid Jags and Gators.

By Arkansas Hillbilly

January 3, 2007 09:50 AM | Link to this

I’d like to thank KC for the “Bullet Dodger” reference, and I’d like to thank Grinch for the 200 lb. flamenco dancer desrciption. I needed a good laugh this morning, and now I’ve had two of them.

By Lew

January 3, 2007 09:52 AM | Link to this

Good Morning All-For what it’s worth-I score ALL the Braves games. I just went over the entire season and here’s what I found concerning the KC/Metro Dude arguement. The Braves scored 3 runs or less 59 times in 06, winning 17 of those games. On the other hand, they lost 41 games in which they scored 4 or more runs. Make of this what you will. I see it as a team with a really lousy bullpen losing a lot of games, much more than I see a streaky team, hitting wise. Of those 41 games scoring 4 or more and losing, if the Braves could have won half of those games (not a stretch with a good pen), their record would have been 99-63. Does this change the outcome of the season at all? Rhetorical question, y’all. Go eat your grits.

By Lew

January 3, 2007 10:00 AM | Link to this

Now Grinch-REM isn’t that bad and Pete Buck is a good Dude. Drivin and Cryin is pretty decent when they avoid country. Few people realize that the band Kansas actually lived in Atlanta for a number of years in the 70’s and 80’s.

By NYM

January 3, 2007 10:03 AM | Link to this

I think any set of stats in a vacuume can be over estimated. There have been many teams that have had good offensive season and not made the playoffs. How many hits/RBI are game clutch? How many one run games? I think you get my point.

By 3trees

January 3, 2007 10:07 AM | Link to this

mr baseball - good words. I think subtracting LaRoche is gonna hurt the O too much (he’ll still struggle at times with that loopy swing). I like Thorman too, but still much to be proved there. I’m kinda warming to the KJ/Prado 2B thing. I thought that, while no offensive dynamo, Prado brought some spark and KJ, if adequate defensively, brings that patient approach and some pop. Maybe a good “ying/yang” thing there. I’m excited to see how Boyer comes back. When he was healthy, he was one of the few guys out of the BP that seemed to come in with a F@#K you attitude towards batters. Jeez, they report in a little over a month and a half!

Springsteen - Oh man, it took me a while, but once I saw the show (‘78 in St.Pete auditorium), I was hooked. From his early florid and dense word stuff (Greetings…) to the the neo-broadway stuff (BTR/The Wild, the Innocent…), to the bare boned grit of the middle years (The River). He’s just a brilliant story teller and scene painter. Performer? Never seen better. BTW - my fav “off” record, Tunnel of Love. Had a hit off it, but never hear it talked about much. Never warmed up to The Rising.

DOB - gotta friend here at work who went to both Widespread Panic shows and he said they were excellent and that Derek Trucks sat in one night. He also said there were “some messed up folks there”.

Happy new year to all - Go Braves

By Lew

January 3, 2007 10:16 AM | Link to this

NYM-You’re right, as far as that goes. Look at the stats I just posted and see what your evaluation is. I see them indicating that if the Braves scored 3 or less runs, they were as likely to lose as when they scored 4 or more. This indicates pitching difficulties to me, rather than the streakiness asserted by Metro Dude.

By Jeff R

January 3, 2007 10:29 AM | Link to this

NYM is right…it’s about cluth hitting, solid pitching and defense. The Braves teams way back in the 70s were generally one of the top offensive teams (thanks to Aaron, Evans, D. Johnson, Carty, Garr, Murphy and the like). As I recall, only one of those squads cracked .500, and that was the ‘74 team. And that team did it with pitching.

By NYM

January 3, 2007 10:34 AM | Link to this

Nice work on those stats Lew. I’ve heard Sports analyst say that Baseball is not as much a “Team” sport like Basketball or Football. I think that’s totaly false. So many stats and success in baseball are dependent on other parts doing their jobs.

By Lew

January 3, 2007 10:38 AM | Link to this

Springsteen was great until Born In The USA made him a mainstream fat cat. He lost his roots after that. He no longer had that working Man’s edge. Multi billions of dollars does that-at least so I’m told. It’s kind of like Oprah pretending she’s a normal hack. A billion bucks kind of negates normalcy.

By David O'Brien

January 3, 2007 10:55 AM | Link to this

Carroll to say Atlanta radio is better than Jacksonville … well, that’s a back-handed compliment, at best.

I think us REM fans, especially those who loved their absolutely astounding early work, would all agree that Grinch, on this topic you don’t know your head from your a$# and come across sounding like a teen-ager who didn’t listen to REM until the Monster CD or later. I mean, seriously, anyone over 30 who doesn’t at least appreciate the impact and quality of the the Murmur, Reckoning, Automatic for the People, Fables of the Reconstruction albums … my man, you must have a pretty narrow definition of what constitutes good music. Then again, you did say not a single good CD was released last year, if I’m not mistaken. So that’s cool. Whatever tips your boat, bro. Party on with the Journey or Deep Purple or whatever is so much better than REM….

Lew, getting back to the point (I’m still trying to comprehend REM as “the most overrated band in history”) … yes, the corporate radio owners have absolutely ruined it for discerning listeners in every city, and we do have a couple of decent “alternative” stations, which is two more than some places have, including my former South Florida home (talk about radio wasteland … that’s frightening down there).

But you’d just expect more from a music-rich major city like Atlanta. You’d expect to find the non-commercial, great music options you can find in cities like San Francisco, Denver, Chicago, Philly, NY (I get this great college station when I’m out in Queens, I think it’s Fordham U?).

By RyanSlade

January 3, 2007 10:58 AM | Link to this

DOB..so what is going to be the final say, Laroche leaving, or Laroche staying?

By Robert

January 3, 2007 11:09 AM | Link to this

Sell the Braves to Arthur Blank - he at least has a notion of calling the manager to account

By Lew

January 3, 2007 11:21 AM | Link to this

Well, I knew Pete Buck back when he worked at Wuxtry and the band was playing Abbott’s Pizza on Friday nights. That’s before their first album was released. That was a hellacious musical time in Athen’s history with REM, B52’s, Pylon and Love Tractor. I doubt there will ever be a more creative and fun musical period in Athens ever again. It’s like the point I made about Springsteen, though-Fame and fortune dulls your creative edge, which is sort of a Catch 22 as you are usually becoming more musically (or artistically) proficient at the same time. Apparently a little suffering aids the creative process.

By Bigboi

January 3, 2007 11:24 AM | Link to this

I agree, I think the radio stations here are much superior to other cities. I can’t wait to get into my car everyday and tune into the “Two Live Stews” I think those guys are fantastic or should I say “stew-pendous” Go Braves

By Sam

January 3, 2007 11:35 AM | Link to this

Not to muddle the waters too much but this idea that good teams are better in close games is, well, not valid (ha, you love that NYM). Seriously, go look it up. One run wins are mostly luck friends. It’s true. The mark of a truly dominant team is lots and lots of 3, 4 and 5 run wins. It’s all a matter of statistics. For example, this is why runs scored versus runs allowed is such a good predicitve stat. I promise you that some team that’s even or perhaps even underwater in terms of runs scored runs allowed will be leading their division on June 1. Chances are you will find they have won a ton of one-run games. This describes the 2005 Nats by the way. Anyway, you can also bet that the team in question will come crashing down to earth in July and August. One-run games even out. Again, it’s luck. I promise you that if you put aside the easy emotional thought that “better teams MUST thrive in tight games” for a moment and go look at stats you will see the validity of this. The Baseballprospectus.com guys have written a zillion articles on this subject. I recommend you check those out. They are far better at describing this than I am.

By Matthew

January 3, 2007 11:36 AM | Link to this

I still don’t want to trade Laroche, but if we could get Mike Gonzales AND a quality leadoff hitter (a la Chone Figgins), then I’d have to jump on the deal, even giving up a infield prospect or two to do it. But, as several others have suggested, it seems most likely that Laroche will stay due to Schuerholz’s track record of not making late winter deals.

I hate the way Reitsma was treated. Regardless of performance, every person deserves basic human dignity. How would that moron in the truck like it if a dissatsfied customer from the McDonald’s where he works came and told him, “This Big-Mac is the worst-you suck!” right in front of his kids (I shudder at the thought of those types of genes being perpetuated). Reitsma is a class act, and I wish him the best. Hopefully he can land back in Cincy, where there appraently are fans who appreciate him.

I haven’t posted in several days, and didn’t get to wish everyone a very Merry Christmas and a great New Year. I hope everyone has a better 2007 than 2006, especially the Braves.

By Bigboi

January 3, 2007 11:37 AM | Link to this

DOB, have you heard anything regarding us getting Sammy Sosa? I think that would be a great pickup and would solidify left field.

By KC

January 3, 2007 11:37 AM | Link to this

DOB: Being a big music fan… have you checked out pandora.com? You’d probably like it. Good way to discover new stuff that suits your taste.

By David O'Brien

January 3, 2007 11:41 AM | Link to this

KC, agreed on Shiny Happy People, one of the worst, most annoying songs ever sung, and perhaps THE worst by a great band. Horrible song. But they did sing it with tongue planted firmly in cheek, for that that’s worth (not that it makes it any less annoying).

I’m now sitting here listening to this “Best of the IRS Years” CD, which has Begin the Begin, Radio Free Europe, Pretty Persuasion, Talk About the Passion, (Don’t Go Back To) Rockville, Sitting Still, Driver 8, Can’t Get There From Here, I Believe, Cuhyahoga, Life And How To Live It …

Most overrated band in history, huh? I guess I’ll know who NOT to go for an assessment of, say, Billie Holliday’s voice or Steve Earle’s songwriting….

LEW, Springsteen fans would point out that he wrote and recorded the Nebraska album after the commercial success of Born in the USA and that subsequent tour. Nebraska was his rawest stuff, done on a four-track recorder at home, and included what he considered to be some of the most personal songs of his career, including the likes of “Used Car”:

“My little sister’s in the front seat with an ice cream cone/My ma’s in the black seat sittin’ all alone/As my pa steers her slow out of the lot for a test drive down Michigan Avenue

Now, my ma, she fingers her wedding band/And watches the salesman stare at my old man’s hands

He’s tellin’ us all ‘bout the break he’d give us if he could, but he just can’t/Well if I could, I swear I know just what I’d do

Now, mister, the day the lottery I win I ain’t ever gonna ride in no used car again

Now, the neighbors come from near and far/As we pull up in our brand new used car

I wish he’d just hit the gas and let out a cry/ and tell ‘em all they can kiss our asses goodbye

My dad, he sweats the same job from mornin’ to morn/Me, I walk home on the same dirty streets where I was born

Up the block I can hear my little sister in the front seat blowin’ that horn/The sounds echoin’ all down Michigan Avenue

Now, mister, the day my numbers comes in/ I ain’t ever gonna ride in no used car again

By KC

January 3, 2007 11:42 AM | Link to this

I’ve worked in radio for the last 11 years, and my personal opinion is that it’s far too formulaic. I think the stations/shows that think outside the box are much more entertaining to listen to.

By lowermanor

January 3, 2007 11:42 AM | Link to this

For the best COMMERCIAL radio station on the planet, check out KPIG — www.kpig.com — out of Santa Cruz/San Francisco. You just don’t hear music like this on the radio anymore

Sample play list from THIS MORNING: Derek Trucks Band I Wish I Knew Dave Alvin 1968 John Hiatt Your Dad Did railer Park Troubadours It’s Ain’t Home ‘till You Ta Darrell Scott Let’s Call It A Life The Hombres Let It Out (Let It All Hang Austin Lounge Lizards Shallow End Of The Gene Pool Mick Fleetwood Band Where The Wind Blows Todd Snider Enjoy Yourself Grateful Dead Ripple Rodney Crowell Earthbound Waterboys And A Bang On The Ear Sam Bush Brilliancy Jackson Browne For A Dancer Johnny Cash Further On Up The Road Bruce Cockburn Wondering Where The Lions Ar Bodeans Stay On Doc Watson Shady Grove Alejandro Escovedo I Died A little Today

By David O'Brien

January 3, 2007 11:43 AM | Link to this

Bigboi: No. Have you?

By DonCoburleone

January 3, 2007 11:43 AM | Link to this

Sorry DOB, but REM does indeed SUCK!

By David O'Brien

January 3, 2007 11:44 AM | Link to this

Matthew, if Schuerholz could trade LaRoche and get both Mike Gonzalez AND Chone Figgins, I think he would’ve already done it. No such deal has been offered, I’m told by people I trust.

By David O'Brien

January 3, 2007 11:54 AM | Link to this

Lowermanor, that’s EXACTLY the kind of station I’m talking about. Not going to appeal to the masses like the crap on Clearchannel stations, but serious music fans would never change the channel (unless to hear a bit of sports talk).

There was a station in Houston, of all places (They called it the Sound of Texas), that used to play the likes of Alejandro Escovedo, Texas Tornados, old ZZ Top, Rodney Crowell, Steve Earle, James McMurtry … but I’m not sure if it wasn’t gobbled up by one of the horrible corporations and turned into another mainstream crapola producer).

By David O'Brien

January 3, 2007 11:55 AM | Link to this

Sorry, DonC, but you join Grinch on the musical-opinions-that-carry-no-weight list.

By ColumbusBuckeye

January 3, 2007 11:56 AM | Link to this

Dave,

I dig your taste in music, one of my favorite artists out there right now is G Love. Once you see that guy live once, most other shows seem insignificant. Another one for you, how about Ben Folds? He is a fantastic song writer, and plays the hell out of a piano.

I know that I’m in SEC country, but what do you think the outcome of the Ohio State vs. Florida game will be?

It should be a good one.

By Arkansas Hillbilly

January 3, 2007 11:58 AM | Link to this

Dayumn Grinch,

Looks like we just got BlackBalled big time over the REM deal. I’m not a REM fan by any means but I thought I had more than “a pretty narrow definition of what constitutes good music.” OUCH!!! (licking my wounds while listening to Pink Floyd: The Gunner’s Dream—Final Cut Album)

By David O'Brien

January 3, 2007 11:59 AM | Link to this

But I certainly welcome those opinions. And I can see where, if you’re a younger guy and have only really listened to REM’s output in the last 10-15 years, you might say they’re not good. Understood, completely.

But if you’re saying their early stuff, their first decade of stuff, sucks, then sorry, couldn’t disagree with you more.

What bands that came into their own in the past 25 years do you put highest on your list (that eliminates Zep, Stones, Beatles, etc, which most of us agree are incredibly good). What contemporary bands do you think are best?

By David O'Brien

January 3, 2007 12:05 PM | Link to this

Lowermanor, just reading over that phenomenal songlist from that station. John Hiatt’s “Your Dad Did” jumped off the list. God, what a great song, and one of my very favorite all-time albums, “Bring The Family.”

Tremendous singer/songwriter, and just an absolutely PERFECT album. One of my top 20 albums ever, no question. So glad you got me thinking about it. Gonna throw that beaut on now.

By PopeVanIII

January 3, 2007 12:06 PM | Link to this

DOB,

Lighting 100 in Nashville is an incredible non-corporate radio station. Don’t know if you’re familiar with it—you probably are—but if you aren’t, check it out next time you’re around Music City, USA.

By Kieran from Long Island

January 3, 2007 12:11 PM | Link to this

David If you see this could you fill me in, if not could someone else who might no please…

What do Braves officals think of Martin Prado? Is he expected to be a steady major leaguer? How close his he as a top prospects, and personall who do you think has a better upside OFFENSIVELY, he or Kelly Johnson, actually, forget about upside as it is a binch intangible, flat out, who’s gonna produce more for the braves in your opinion. I liked what I saw of Prado last year, saw him play live at Shea, but I need to know what more informed people’s opinions are on him, AVG, Power, Speed, Run production, etc. Thanks for any answers you may give.

By PopeVanIII

January 3, 2007 12:11 PM | Link to this

DOB,

My contemporary faves would be, in no particular order:

U2, Wilco, Pete Yorn, Ryan Adams, Belle & Sebastian, Old Crow Medicine Show, Weezer (sentimental favorite).

By Mets Stink

January 3, 2007 12:18 PM | Link to this

The Dave Matthews Band has to be one of the best in the last 25 years. Even better, though, is Dave Matthews and Tim Reynolds playing their acoustic sets. Great, great songs by Dave and amazing solos and riffs by Tim. It doesn’t get much better.

By Matthew

January 3, 2007 12:25 PM | Link to this

Thanks for the response DOB. So do you think the BRaves are done dealing, or do you perhaps see one or two more deals in the works? For me, the lineup would be fine for 2007 as:

Batting Order 2B: KJ/Prado SS: Renteria 3B: C Jones CF: Andruw Jones C: Brian McCann 1B: Laroche RF: Franceour LF: Langerhans/Diaz P

Rotation Smoltz Hampton James Hudson Davies/Cormier

Bullpen Wickman Soriano Boyer McBride Yates Villareal

Utility Orr Pena Langerhans/Diaz Thorman Brayan Pena

How does that sound? I’d like one more good bat off the bench if an affordable option is out there, a Jeff Conine type of player who is versatile and makes contact at the plate.

What do you all think? Can we run to the NL flag with this team?

By JP

January 3, 2007 12:27 PM | Link to this

DOB…I appreciate the music talk, but can’t believe you can have discussions about all these great bands from the last 25 years and not include Pearl Jam. Check out the new CD, it should have been in your list of the best releases of 2006.

By Carroll

January 3, 2007 12:38 PM | Link to this

Sam: excellent point about one-run games….I’d be curious to see if that applied to the Braves during the streak when they always fell flat on their faces during the playoffs….I wonder if they won a lot of 1-run games during those seasons to get to the playoffs in the first place.

Mathew: Chone Figgins is NOT a good/quality leadoff man! Just because you have speed, it does not mean you are a good leadoff man! If so, Pete Orr would have already been annointed the next leadoff man! We’d do MUCH better to use one of our own, high-OBP-tyoe guys like Kelly Johnson.

By Arkansas Hillbilly

January 3, 2007 12:38 PM | Link to this

Welcome back Matthew. Don’t worry, I won’t mention anything that has to do with the words “Capital” or “One” or “Wildcat Formation.” =(

By Jim Malone

January 3, 2007 12:43 PM | Link to this

What is story on John Thompson? Will he go to Spring Training with Braves or some other team?

By David O'Brien

January 3, 2007 12:55 PM | Link to this

Don’t know if Seattle is still on Thomson (they were earlier), but have heard Mariners are close on Reitsma. Rockies and Reds also negotiating with him.

If Thomson comes back to Braves, I’d guess it’d only be on a minor league deal after no other teams made him a major league offer. Still plenty of time for that.

By TennesseePaul

January 3, 2007 12:56 PM | Link to this

I’d like one more good bat off the bench if an affordable option is out there

We did sign Woodward for that purpose I thought. At least, that’s what JS lead me to believe.

By Pulpwood Smith

January 3, 2007 12:59 PM | Link to this

Dave-

Love the blog, particularly the music talk. Could not agree more re. Springsteen; simply the best live performer ever. As a fan since’75, let me nitpick however. Nebraska was actually recorded and released prior to Born in the USA. He actually performed 3 or 4 songs off Nebraska during each of the shows during the BITUSA tour.

By Bill

January 3, 2007 01:00 PM | Link to this

Spring Training parks…Yes I agree that getting to Disney to see the Braves is a hugh pain. It is somewhat overridden by the fine facilty.
But if you are in Central Fla in March you need to go see a game at Dodgertown in Vero. (The Braves are there quite frequently) It is a wonderful environment with a lot of history. No dugouts so the players and coaches all sit in the open.

Do it soon. The Dodgers are moving spring training HQ to Az in 2009.

By David O'Brien

January 3, 2007 01:01 PM | Link to this

PopeVan, I haven’t heard of that Nasvhille station, but sure wish I’d know of it last year when in was in Nashville for a few days and couldn’t find anything at all on the radio.

I like everyone on your list except never been a big fan of Weezer (and I know they have a hardcore following, so don’t mean to offend by saying they’re not good; just not my thing).

Just got that latest Old Crow CD a couple months ago. interesting. first time I’ve heard them.

By Matthew

January 3, 2007 01:07 PM | Link to this

Thanks for the welcome Hillbilly. At least we don’t have to worry about DMac jumping to the NFL-he’s only a sophomore. How many Ark players will get drafted in the NFL this year do you think? And the BBall Hogs had a nice game last night. SEC play starts Sat with Alabama. Hope their so obsessed with getting Saban that they overlook the Hogs.

Carroll: I didn’t mean to suggest that Chone Figgins was the next Rickey Henderson. But he does seem like the best available IF we’re not sticking with current Braves. Again, unless the Braves are blown away with an offer for Laroche, then we must keep him.

Can anyone tell me how close Will Startup is to being ready for the big time? I have read where he tore things up in minor league ball. Is he an option for this year’s bullpen or closer next year if Wickman retires?

Go Braves!

By Matthew

January 3, 2007 01:09 PM | Link to this

TennPaul:

I had forgotten about Woodward, and we signed Willie Harris also, for whatever it’s worth.

By TennesseePaul

January 3, 2007 01:12 PM | Link to this

What contemporary bands do you think are best?

Fascinating question. A matter of bias really, but for my answer I’d have the following in no real order:
For the all stars…Red Hot Chili Peppers, Pixies, Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Smashing Pumpkins, Radiohead. And for the up-n-comin’ Death Cab, Richard Swift and some others. How would this affect bands like U2, Tom Petty, or even the Rolling Stones. They all started before the 25 year mark, but are still around today.

By David O'Brien

January 3, 2007 01:20 PM | Link to this

Pulpwood Smith, you’re exactly right _ I was confusing the Born in the USA tour (1984) with The River tour (1980), which was also hugely successful, probably his first massively succesful one, wouldn’t you say? Anyway, you’re right, Nebraska came out in 1982, my first year of college. Born in the USA two years later, when all the clueless jumped on Glory Days and Born In The USA and thought that’s what Bruce was all about.

Anyway, Ghost of Tom Joad came out in mid-90s, and was anything but commercial or mainstream (I liked it, but I know many didn’t).

And even if some might not have liked “The Rising” because of the 9/11 correlation (accurate or not), I thought that was a damn good album. And the “Tunnel of Love” album, which was deeply personal and had a lot to do with his upcoming divorce, had some of his best stuff on it, wouldn’t you agree?

As for the losing-touch-with-his-roots charge made by another blogger, here’s a few lines from a song he released 11 years after Born in the USA:

The Ghost Of Tom Joad

“Men walkin’ ‘long the railroad tracks/Goin’ someplace there’s no goin’ back

“Highway patrol choppers comin’ up over the ridge,/Hot soup on a campfire under the bridge

“Shelter line stretchin’ round the corner/Welcome to the new world order/Families sleepin’ in their cars in the southwest/No home no job no peace no rest

The highway is alive tonight/But nobody’s kiddin’ nobody about where it goes/I’m sittin’ down here in the campfire light/Searchin’ for the ghost of Tom Joad…”

Sheer brilliance.

But at the risk of beating people over the heads like KC on Huddy (love you KC, just kidding with you), I’ll stop with the Springsteen and music talk. Suffice to say, no one who’s seen him live, whether 30 years ago or five years ago, wouldn’t agree he’s one of the greatest live performers in the history of rock and roll. I know he’s the best I’ve seen live, along with U2 back in the Joshua Tree era.

I’d have loved to have seen James Brown, Jerry Lee, Elvis, Johnny Cash or the Clash at their absolute peaks, but didn’t. Only saw the Clash at the end.

By David O'Brien

January 3, 2007 01:25 PM | Link to this

ColumbusBuckeye, I really like Ben Folds, especially his first few CDs. Liked G Love and Special Sauce early on, but kinda tired of them. But he’s changed his sound some, right? I should listen to his latest, maybe I’ll get it with what’s left of Itunes gift card.

Hillbilly _ Pink Floyd, another I’d have LOVED to see at their peak, especially back when I would’ve been on the, uh, same wavelength as they were. The Wall … oh, that brings back some hazy memories.

By Greg in TN

January 3, 2007 01:36 PM | Link to this

Hello everyone.

DOB, do you know if there has been any internal discussions within the club to add additional lighting at the Ted to improve sight of the ball in CF? I know there has been some things said about how difficult it is to track a ball in CF there due to the lack of backlighting and if AJ bolts after next year, that will be something to keep an eye on as a new CF would have to adjust to that.

By David O'Brien

January 3, 2007 01:36 PM | Link to this

Hey, does anybody absolutely HATE the way these bowls are parceled out now, one per night? so lame, compared to the old smorgasbord days. but that Boise-OU game was the most enjoyable I can ever remember watching, even more than last year’s great title game…

TennPaul, yeah, that’s why I tried to differentiate by saying bands that really came into their own in last 25. That eliminates Stones, who were huge before that, obviously. I’d say U2 really got huge in last 25, but that’s cutting it close, because they had great stuff released before that timeframe, the Boy and October albums. I think War was right about 25 years ago, no? (god that makes me feel old. can remember playing that in college, wearing out the vinyl LP).

The Clash would also fall outside the 25-year-window, since their greatest stuff was before 1980, including the London Calling album that I’d probably put No. 1 on my all-time albums list.

Most of those you named _ Radiohead, Pixies, Nirvana, Smashing Pumpkins … all would be on my list.

By David O'Brien

January 3, 2007 01:42 PM | Link to this

Kieran, we’ve discussed Prado quite a bit this winter, but if you’re just finding the ‘ol blog here, a refresher: Prado, at least officially, at this time is considered a candidate for the 2B job along with Kelly Johnson, with utility men Willy Aybar and Chris Woodward said to also be “in the mix,” whatever that means.

But if they don’t make any more moves, I know the Braves would like to see Johnson show enough this spring to nail down the regular job. He’s got ability to hit for average and power, and Bobby told me last night that Kelly would definitely be a leadoff candidate if he’s in the lineup.

By flange1

January 3, 2007 01:52 PM | Link to this

Hey All,

Hate to jump in on the REM thing too, but like Lew I was there in the early days. I love the band and have from the beginning. I was really into the music scene at that time and the thing that is as important as REM’s music is their influence on how to make music and doing things the way the band wants to. It is incredible how many bands became bands because they saw REM play. As good as the first 7 albums were and are, the live performances at the time were ten times BETTER… Did y’all know that Mr. Crowe’s Garden was a blatent REM clone band before they listened to the Ga. Satellites and became the Black Crows? I still laugh thinking about Rich Robinson playing a black Ric and trying to jangle….

On Baseball,

The Pittsburgh press is very down on the Pirates right now. It is interesting, the fans are screaming for the Pirates to SPEND some money and make some trades. Everything I have read inducates that beat writers believe that mike Gonzales will not pitch in Pittsburgh next year. I wish John S. would add to our package of Laroach (even Davies) if he could get Duke and Gonzales and then flip Duke with whomever for Baldelli….

By TennesseePaul

January 3, 2007 01:58 PM | Link to this

Chris Woodward said to also be “in the mix,” whatever that means

I had a quote from you last week, or when ever they signed the guy, referencing JS. It was something to the affect of Woodward was not in the running for the 2B job. that’d he’d be a vet bat on the bench utility guy. I’m hoping for that approach. Having him out there every day would just bum me out. It’d be like having Sosa in the rotation again.

By TLJ

January 3, 2007 01:59 PM | Link to this

Guys, I have figured a way to get Gonzalez and Figgins in a Braves uniform. Heck I will even throw in Baldelli.

First we get AJ to agree to a trade.
Secondly we get the angels to agree to pay AJ $ 140 million over 7 years ( I didn’t say it would be easy). AJ is then traded to the angels for Santana, Kotchman and Figgins.

LaRoche is then traded to the Pirates for Gonzalez and Gorezlanny ( we may have to throw in a prospect).

We then flip Santana , Salty and Escobar to TB for Baldelli.

Figgins plays 2nd base or left field and bats lead off. Kotchman and Thorman handle first base. Gorelanny joins the rotation and Gonzalez joins the bull pen.

We lose a little power but the offensive capacity is still there. We add speed in Figgins and Baldelli. The pitching staff is greatly improved.

What do you think? Yeah I know it will never happen but it was fun putting it together.

By Glass Half Full

January 3, 2007 02:04 PM | Link to this

Some of you have mentioned Kiss before. You should check out the Kissology Volume I (1974-1977) DVD set. Talk about showmanship and a band in its prime. The sound isn’t great, but hey, it’s the 70s.

By Lew

January 3, 2007 02:19 PM | Link to this

Flange-When exactly were you in Athens?

By double j

January 3, 2007 02:22 PM | Link to this

Out of all the music no one named Collective Soul. They are awesome live and they are from the ATL. Not to mention they have great lyrics and guitar riffs as well.

By lowermanor

January 3, 2007 02:23 PM | Link to this

DOB -

Good call on the Hiatt alblum. That one is a beauty. I’m a ATL transplant living in the Bay Area (and have been for almost ten years). The Bravos always bring a good fan base to games at Pac Bell Park, as well as Oakland a few years ago.

What ever happened to Charles Thomas?

As for KPIG radio, I’ve seen them present the following shows this year: Robert Earl Keen, Todd Snider, Old Crow Medicine Show, The Radiators, Los Lobos, The Duhks, James McMurtry, Dave Alvin and the Guilty Men, the subdudes, and the String Cheese Incident.

And new band to check out if you haven’t already: Railroad Earth. their live album ELKO is fantastic.

By Kieran from Long Island

January 3, 2007 02:27 PM | Link to this

Yes I was aware of Prado’s status with the team and that he’s competing for the job, what I was looking for is an assessment on what kind of player he’s going to be. I mean what kind of player to the Braves expect him to be. Can he develop into a Roberto Alomar like player or is he destinied to be a Manny Alexander, or a 2 year Major league and gone. I dont know a whole lot about his past or his potnetial as a majorleaguer and thats what I was wondering about

Kelly Johnson I saw play quite a bit 2 years ago, and maybe he’ll settle in a little better as a second basmen, because it was pretty apparent, to me at least, that he could not put up Solid Outfeild numbers. Especially considering his misreble at bats in the Astros series. Any one who chimes in would be appreciated.

By David O'Brien

January 3, 2007 02:29 PM | Link to this

TLJ, that all sounds pretty simple, like something they could get done in the next couple hours….

Glass Half Full, glad I’m not the only geek who still digs that old Kiss concert footage. As a seventh-grader in 1976, that was the coolest thing going.

By David O'Brien

January 3, 2007 02:33 PM | Link to this

TennPaul, Woodward is indeed penciled in as utility guy, NOT 2B, despite what some suggest (or fear) here. He’s only an emergency fallback, I’d imagine, if all other 2B options fall apart. He’s not good defensively at 2B, was a little better as a SS. But they like his versatility off the bench. Didn’t get him to start.

Lowermanor, I’ll have to check out that band. Haven’t heard of them. Those others you listed, that’s a hell of a concert lineup.

By David O'Brien

January 3, 2007 02:39 PM | Link to this

Flange, great stuff on REM. Didn’t know that, but yes, their influence on bands in 80s and 90s was just huge.

I meant to just download the IRS Years CD into my laptop for Ipod, and instead I’ve sat here and listened to the entire CD. What incredible stuff. “I Believe” is on right now, and it’s amazing even coming from these little speakers on my PowerBook.

By Voice of Reason

January 3, 2007 02:51 PM | Link to this

Wow… perspective really has an effect on your musical taste, huh? While I struggle to get on board with many of the more contemporary bands/artists mentioned frequently on the B/MIB blog, it’s not out of disrespect, but rather due to an affinity for the stuff I grew up on. The first band I can remember being into was Grand Funk Railroad. Man, to get that much power and soul from just three guys (in the early days) was amazing to me. I loved it and still do. Much the same with Cream. In high school, I hated Kiss but loved Nugent, and still do. Later, I really got into Ozzy with Randy Rhoades, Rush, Van Halen (the real VH with DLR), and Kansas. I loved them, and still do. Then I got turned on to The Dixie Dregs, and really opened my mind up to a whole new world of music. Wes Montgomery, Stanley Jordan, Jeff Beck, eventually SRV. Loved ‘em, still do. Then came Eric Johnson, Ian Moore, solo Steve Morse. Still love it. It really all traces back, though, to being weened on Grand Funk and that driving, power-trio, rythmic, soulful style.

Im sittin’ here lonely like a broken man./ I serve my time doin’ the best I can./ Walls and bars they surround me./ But I don’t want no sympathy. - Inside Lookin’ Out

Oh, yeah… baseball. The farther removed from I get from the drunken binge of Braves trade rumors we were on recently, the more sober I am and more comfortable I am with the current lineup. Yeah, I’d like another pitcher, but I lean toward keeping the offense intact. The Braves’ offense was pretty potent in ‘06 without a “true” leadoff hitter, whatever that is, and certainly has the same capability in ‘07. I think it is a rather telling fact that was mentioned that ATL never won a playoff series with Furcal leading off. I think we really hinge alot, maybe too much, on the health of Hoss…

By Arkansas Hillbilly

January 3, 2007 02:54 PM | Link to this

DOB,

I was lucky enough to get to see Roger Waters live in Dallas about six or so years ago, and let me tell you….As good as that was, I really could not imagine being lucky enough to see the entire band perform together. One of the top five experiences of my life. I’m a big fan of Waters’ solo stuff too (Pros and Cons of Hitchiking, etc.)so it was a bonus for me to get to hear some of that live. Their music has to be the deepest, most meaningful stuff I have ever heard. The true definition of substance.

Anyway, one common misconception I’d like to touch on is the association of PF with heavy drug use. And I think Lew is a Floyd man and he can probably back me up on this. In the early years they did dive into it pretty heavily, but after Syd Barrett left the band the drug use was very minimal, with the exception of Rick Wright (keyboardist). Through the Dark Side of the Moon/ Wish You Were Here/ The Wall years they were almost completely clean. At 27 years old, I’m one of the very few that is into PF for better reasons than to just have something to trip out to…..Substance, man, …substance.

By SR

January 3, 2007 02:56 PM | Link to this

Tired of talking about the Braves lack of moves but DOB, I just happened to glance up at your post regarding the Boss and gotta agree with you wholeheartedly. Best Rock & Roll show I have ever seen, 1978 Fox Theatre when Springsteen and the E Street Band were on that legendary tour. Almost 3 hours of non-stop,feel good,thought provoking, heartfelt tunes. Never been anyone who could outdo the Boss live.

By TommyB

January 3, 2007 02:58 PM | Link to this

OK, Dave OB… It’s dead as a doornail, baseball news-wise. And since you or somebody brought REM as a topic, I’ll give you my REM story. The disclaimer first. I’m not really a big fan. I think I have 2-3 of their tunes in my iTunes DB. OK…

In ‘82 I was living in Santa Monica. Late summerish and the Bravos were in their Torre-led pennant chase. Exciting summer. Gorgeous women every time you blinked your eyes.

I lived not far from Madame Wong’s West (the other one was downtown/Chinatown). A new band called REM was playing and since I knew they were from Georgia and on IRS Records I decided to check them out. The club was small and so was the crowd. Stipe was wearing a raincoat. The sound was muddled and you could barely make out 30% of the lyrics. After the show I walked into the hallway offstage, thinking I’d see if any of them were Braves fans. Turned out the bass player was. Berry… or something-berry… I think is his name. Anyway, I think they were a little homesick as I guess I was… but I was from TN. So, we started chatting and everybody was up for going out. So we loaded up in my car (“La Maquina Verde” as we called the old green Ford) and set course for Chinatown. That’s where they wanted to go, so we did. Did some very serious jiving that night as it gets very very blurry from that point. All I know is the Maquina Verde didn’t leave its spot that night.

Shortly thereafter those wideyed boys from Georgia hit the Really Big Big Time.

Back to lurking and watching for some meaty baseball news.

Happy New Year to all the congregation… and pass the plate.

By John Adcox

January 3, 2007 03:09 PM | Link to this

For those who missed it, Bill Shanks has written a terrific (and free) article on the state of the Braves. Check it out.

So. Anyone for top ten movies? Here’s some thoughts to get you started.

The new Bond fiilm gets a vote, just to show how even a flawed script can breathe new life into a tired cliché of a character just by writing him as a human being who hurts and bleeds to achieve what he does, even when it’s something he doesn’t really like.

Rocky Balboa. See above.

The Fountain… I loved this—I don’t use the word love lightly—but I am honestly not sure that I’d recommend it. People were weeping. People were walking out. There seemed to be no reaction anywhere in between. Even Rotten Tomatoes, the critic site I like best, was perfectly divided, 50/50. The ones who liked it loved it; the others just didn’t seem to get it. I blame the marketing for that; they didn’t film the movie they were selling. Or rather vice versa. It doesn’t have a narrative, not in the traditional sense, and it’s story was told almost entirely through visual metaphor. It’s a filmed poem, not a story. It’s beautiful and it haunts me.

The Departed. Enough said. V for Vendetta. Ditto.

I liked the Illusionist a great deal. I haven’t decided whether it belongs on a top ten list or not. Same with (no kidding) Flushed Away.

Children of Men. Christ. The most brutal and emmersive film I’ve ever seen, one of the saddest, one of the most exciting, one of the most depressing, and one of the most astonishingly hopeful. It shows us humanity at our worst, and makes us believe that we might be worth saving after all. It is one of the ugliest and most beautiful. It’s a punch to the gut that left me dazed.

Jeez, I really, really wanted to love Superman Returns. Couldn’t do it. Anyway.

That’s seven. Anyone else?

By KC

January 3, 2007 03:17 PM | Link to this

DOB:

I resent your saying that I beat people over the head with Tim Hudson stuff.

BTW: does anyone here realize that he was the 2nd winningest pitcher in baseball heading into last season. Also, even in his 04’ and 05’ seasons, which are commonly referred to as “mediocre”, he still finished in the top 15% of all MLB starters in ERA! =)

By KC

January 3, 2007 03:20 PM | Link to this

John Adcox: I would be interested in reading Shanks’ piece, but the link you included leads to a dead end. How else could I access it?

By KC

January 3, 2007 03:23 PM | Link to this

I know two movies that will make my list of worst movies of 2006: Click, and Tenacious D. All together… roughly 4 hours of my life that I’ll never get back. What a shame.

By Voice of Reason

January 3, 2007 03:23 PM | Link to this

Great… now I’m sitting here jamming to GFR. Aimless Lady… great song. Pounding drums, insane bass line, searing guitar. Well, the rest of my work afternoon is completely shot to hell.

By Jared

January 3, 2007 03:25 PM | Link to this

“You actually want Ryan Church”

Ron, go re-read what I posted. It was talking about the Pirates having interest in Church, not the Braves. And no, I wouldn’t want Ryan Church.

By KC

January 3, 2007 03:25 PM | Link to this

“Children of Men. Christ. The most brutal and emmersive film I’ve ever seen, one of the saddest, one of the most exciting, one of the most depressing, and one of the most astonishingly hopeful. It shows us humanity at our worst, and makes us believe that we might be worth saving after all. It is one of the ugliest and most beautiful. It’s a punch to the gut that left me dazed.”

Geeze… I’m emotionally exhausted just from reading your review!

By RyanSlade

January 3, 2007 03:26 PM | Link to this

DOB—Do you think the braves are done dealing? I feel that it should be a priority to make a deal for Baldelli and have him ready to take AJ’s spot when he leaves. Even if a Baldelli deal is not made, I think that someone needs to be brought in to play LF, I don’t think Diaz/thorman/langerhans is the answer. What do you think? Thanks for what you do.

By Coloradobravesfan

January 3, 2007 03:33 PM | Link to this

KC…I agree with most of your Hudson predictions, and that he will bounce back. 2 questions… 1) How many and who are the winningest pitchers ahead of Hudson now? 2) What would have to happen to get Hudson back to either 1 or 2. Since Pedro is on the DL, maybe just a solid year from Hudson could get himback to 1 or 2.

By David O'Brien

January 3, 2007 03:36 PM | Link to this

Adcox, thanks for the rec on Children Of Men. It was already next on my list to see.

Finally rented V for Vendetta last week, and I’d probably agree, it’s likely in my top 10 for the year. Great flick. Love Natalie Portman.

Definitely put The Departed as my No. 1, followed in in particular order by Casino Royale, Thank You For Smoking, Borat, V for Vendetta, Dave Chappelle’s Block Party, The Proposition, Inside Man, Little Miss Sunshine, and The Queen (those who haven’t seen it, it’s not at all a chick flick).

But I haven’t seen a couple others that sound like they’d make my list _ The Last King of Scotland, and Half Nelson.

An Inconvenient Truth and United 93 were also great, and yes, Talladega Nights was damn funny.

By Steve

January 3, 2007 03:37 PM | Link to this

You guys are forgetting Van Halen (not Van Hagar…). Eddie is about the best guitarist out there. Anyhoo, I like our lineup as is, unless we could somehow convice Tampa to trade Baldelli for Davies and the others. But I don’t want LaRoache traded under nearly any circumstances.

By John Adcox

January 3, 2007 03:40 PM | Link to this

KC:

Sorry about that. Go to: http://www.braves.scout.com

At the top of the screen, use the Message Boards drop down menu and click on Forum List.

Select: Braves Talk.

Click on: Annual New Year’s Eve State of the Braves

Hope that helps.

By DonCoburleone

January 3, 2007 03:43 PM | Link to this

DOB, you probably don’t know the answer to this, but as of right now, who is better defensively at 2b, Aybar or Kelly Johnson?

By Voice of Reason

January 3, 2007 03:45 PM | Link to this

RyanSlade: If BC and JS have enough confidence in Thorman as to entertain trade offers for LaRoche, he should at least be able to post respectable numbers in LF. Can’t strip the system’s pitching, present or future, for Baldelli. That’s what it’ll take. I’d like to see them sign a guy like Mark Loretta ($2M?) to hold 2B for the youngsters, and play KJ in LF. Of course, it has been suggested that KJ’s elbow can’t handle outfield throws right now…

By David O'Brien

January 3, 2007 03:46 PM | Link to this

TommyB, great story. And you still didn’t become a big fan after that personal encounter?

RyanSlade, i really don’t know if they’re done. I don’t even know if Bobby knows, for sure. If they get a call that blows their socks off, they’ll do a deal. But i think it’s at least 50-50 that they’re done, at least as far as any major deal. Bobby indicated as much last night when i talked to him on the phone.

Hillbilly, I’m not aware of what they were doing when they recorded The Wall, etc, I just know what most college kids were doing when they listened.

Substance, man: John Hiatt lyrics. Townes Van Zant. Steve Earle. James McMurtry. Lucinda Williams. Hank I. Haggard. Older I get, the more that’s the kind of substance I’m into with music. Love plenty of raging bands still, and always will. But I like to actually sit back and listen to the words now, more than ever. And speaking of the Boss, you listen to “Tunnel of Love” and anyone in their 30s, 40s, or older can relate to all that stuff, man. I mean, he’s right there.

Todd Snyder, same way. And John Prine.

By John Adcox

January 3, 2007 03:48 PM | Link to this

Ditto for An Inconvenient Truth, Thank you for Smoking, Miss Sunshine, and United 93; I can’t believe I forgot them.

Would you believe I haven’t seen Borat OR Chappelle’s yet? Shame on me. Or rather, shame on my wife for going without me. ;-)

I LIKED Inside Man, but I didn’t love it. Not top ten much, anyway, although that may be too-high expectation.

By the way, my Casino Royale mention wasn’t meant as a slam against old school Bond—I love them. I was just delighted to see a truly fresh take.

Did anyone else even SEE The Fountain? Hmmm. Probably not.

By David O'Brien

January 3, 2007 03:49 PM | Link to this

meant to say, in “no” particular order, on the movies.

Does Jackass II rank in anyone’s top 10? I’d have to say it was close, for me. I mean, stupid and not art by any stretch, but just flat-out hilarious, at least most of it.

By John Adcox

January 3, 2007 03:51 PM | Link to this

Another one I liked was (really, I’m not kidding) Mission Impossible III: They Finally Made a Good One. Really fun, and plenty of clichés either twisted or deftly avoided.

By flange1

January 3, 2007 03:52 PM | Link to this

Hi Lew,

I graduated high school here in Atlanta in 1977. I was up to Athens all year that year then moved up for classes in the fall. I was there awhile….Uh, yes a bit longer than the 4 years ones is supposed to be in college! I did work my way through shcool, I left and moved to Columbus, GA to uh finish school and play golf for Columbus College in 1983… I saw REM play so many times that I can’t count them all. One of my better friends was the SE distributor for Hib Tone Records….My time flys….

By KC

January 3, 2007 03:53 PM | Link to this

Coloradobravesfan:

I don’t know how many are ahead of him now in the respect. Haven’t checked. I’m not even sure how far behind he is from Martinez… but the way Martinez breaks down these days, I’d imagine that a couple good seasons could pull him to the top.

I give Hudson about a 70% of having a much better season this year and posting an ERA well under 4.00. I think there’s slightly better than a 50/50 chance that he’ll revert to his old Oakland form. That’s obviously what I hope will happen.

By KC

January 3, 2007 04:02 PM | Link to this

John Adcox: Thanks. I have to “submit and application” to access that content, which seems a bit silly to me… but I’ve done so, and I appreciate the info.

Casino Royal was definitely one of the best (prehaps the best) movie I saw all year.

By The Grinch

January 3, 2007 04:11 PM | Link to this

Got back and found I’d been blindsided. Well, Dave, first off I didn’t say REM sucks (words you put in my mouth). I said they were extremely overrated. I have been bombarded with their music on the radio since about 1983, so I wouldn’t say I’m a newcommer (we already went through this earlier; my taste in music, electronics and many other things is older in nature than yours for the most part). Now, I’ve never bought an alblum, so I don’t doubt there’s a whole lot of stuff by them that’s much better that never got the 50,000,000 hours of airplay the stuff I heard did. However, that still leaves me with a representative sample of about 50 songs. Some to me are ok, a couple border on pretty cool, and the vast majority (especially in the last 15 years) I’d just as soon not hear. The fact that they still sell out 80,000 seat arenas everywhere they go for as many days as they want to sell tickets for fits my definition of “overrated.” I’ve had people come up to me saying “no, you don’t understand, it’s not the music, it’s Stipe’s groundbreaking, earth-shattering, concious-defining lyrics…they’ll change the way you view the universe!!!!” Then they hand me some samples of songs I just heard a million times with tears streaming down their face in anticipation of my falling to my knees and crying out that I’ve seen the light, when in fact the lyrics are pretty-good-I-suppose-but-nothing-special and I listen to music more for music than I do lyrics anyway. Sorry, just don’t get it. I also don’t get what the hell that has to do with Billie Holliday (who I adore), or Steve Earle (who you’ve already commended me on listening to several times on this blog). Saying I don’t know my a* from a hole in the ground musically and should not be consulted about it because I’d rather listen to Hank Sr., Vivaldi, Doc Watson or early Floyd instead of REM is both rude and ignorant. Do you agree with every single band all of your friends like? How about most of them, and thus you still say you “like the same kinds of music” even though he/she also digs Slayer and you don’t, all other things being roughly equal? What a crappy, knee-jerk reaction. I’m surprised at you.

By KC

January 3, 2007 04:14 PM | Link to this

I really liked the Dixie Chicks documentary!!!

Just kidding. Didn’t see it. I would rather get kicked repeatedly in the crotch than watch that movie. I was furious that I even had to sit through a preview for it after paying $9.00 to see Tal.Nights.

Superman Returns was decent, but not great.

Tal.Nights was funny, and Stranger Than Fiction was another pretty good Will Farrell movie.

I liked Rocky. Wasn’t blown away, but I liked it.

Again, Casino Royal was fantastic. It was to the Bond franchise what Batman Begins was to that franchise… a much needed reinvention.

Pirates OC: Curse of Black Pearl was much ado about nothing. An okay film at best.

By dougp

January 3, 2007 04:15 PM | Link to this

Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers live in concert put on as good a show as The Boss and the Stones. Just an excellent live band.

Go Braves and long live Stevie Ray Vaughn.

By jed

January 3, 2007 04:16 PM | Link to this

“Little,” “West of Rome,” “Drunk,” and “Is The Actor Happy?”—Vic Chesnutt’s first four albums—stand up next to Dylan and the best songwriters of the last 50 years. (Add “The Salesman and Bernadette” to that list as well.) And here’s the thing: once you listen to Chesnutt’s cockeyed revelations, you’ll find the affected drama of Springsteen and U2 a lot less inspiring.

By KC

January 3, 2007 04:19 PM | Link to this

If you haven’t seen the trailer for the Transformers movie coming out next July, check it out…

http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/transformers.html

I will likely be one of the geaks lining up for the 12:05am showing.

By TommyB

January 3, 2007 04:22 PM | Link to this

DOB… Not to the point of motivating me to get more than about 5 tunes. I guess I’ll have to put myself more alongside the Green One on this. And I got the wrong name for the bassplayer. Mills, is the correct name. Very nice guy. The others to a slightly lesser degree but Stipe was very moody. Seemed to be always trying to strike a pose for some non-existent camera. Maybe that’s what sort of turned it off for me.

By joey

January 3, 2007 04:27 PM | Link to this

reitsma leaving helps both the braves and himself. at times, he was really good. but his inconsistency was the stuff of legend. i like kelly johnson at second base hitting second. aybar in left in the top spot seems like a nice fix for now. langerhans is not an everyday player. he is like pete orr. good in the right spot, but not in every spot. i like the direction the team is taking. we will regain our top spot in the n.l. east.

By Ray

January 3, 2007 04:35 PM | Link to this

Enjoy the music comments. The baseball news is pretty slow this week. Apparently the D’backs are wanting the proverbial 72 hours to negotiate with the Big Unic. Anyone see their new uni’s not bad looking at all. Dave quick question, when is the date for the hall of fame ceremonies this year? Have you been up there before. This July will be my first trip up there. Taking a youth team up there to play in the tournament up there. And I also agree, you cannot make one area of the team weak to strengthen the other. Who ever asked about the lights at Turner field.. good reminder how poor the lighting is there. The ball for the outfielders have a shadow on it. Almost like a half moon look. I am sure IF it was a major deal to our outfielders and they complained enough maybe just maybe something would have/would be done about it. Maybe its our little home field advantage. You don’t see teams too often anymore have a high grass infield or wet the dirt in front of home plate when teams are good bunters etc. A friend of mine lives out in Anaheim and he was telling me earlier that the owner is starting to raise the heat on their GM according to some of the talk shows. (yeah like those are reliable sources) but if they get off to a slow start then the heat will be really turned up.

By KC

January 3, 2007 04:38 PM | Link to this

I guess I should say “coming out this July”.

By Lew

January 3, 2007 04:38 PM | Link to this

Hillbilly-I know Syd Barrett didn’t pass the acid test, but never really heard of any other rampant drug usage related to Pink Floyd. I’ve been into Floyd since Piper At THe Gates Of Dawn came out. They were such a visual band, both with their stage shows and their sound, that at the time, I guess they were just associated with drugs cause everyone was doing them and they WERE pretty trippy. I got to see them once, although “seeing” them is kind of a misnomer. I saw them at the Citrus Bowl during their Momentary Lapse of Reason Tour. All of the Florida shows took place (rain or shine) in absolute monsoons. Our seats were in three inches of water and wearing glasses, it’s real hard to watch their stage show. The tour did give the name to their live album, though-The Delicate Sound Of Thunder. Flange-Do you remember the Sub and Steak at Little 5 Points in Athens? It had all the SEC mascots eating sandwhiches and the like on the outside wall. I painted the mural.

By TommyB

January 3, 2007 04:44 PM | Link to this

Only movie not mentioned so far I’d consider in the Top 10 list would be Joyeux Noel. I don’t think it was in wide release and I only caught it on Netflix. Hell of a movie. Eveyone’s probably heard about the WWI Christmas event at Belleau Wood where all fighting stopped, everyone crawled out of their trenches, enjoyed a shared meal, songs, and other things. This movie brought it all to life, along with some very fitting background. If you haven’t seen it, watch the DVD.

Of recent movies I’ve seen, the ones that I already have a hankering to see again are Casino Royale (probably have to make that my #1 also), Rocky Balboa, and The Good Shepherd (if you know anything about the agency and have an interest, you will most definitely find this compelling… if not, you probably won’t get any enjoyment out of it).

By KC

January 3, 2007 04:46 PM | Link to this

joey: No, Langerhans has not done anything to lead us to believe that he’s an everyday player.

Matt Diaz on the other hand, hit .327 over 297 AB’s. I think that’s enough to earn a shot at an everyday job… or something close to it at least.

Also, Scott Thorman is a good looking young slugger. If you platoon those 2, you’ll get plenty of production (especially from the #8 slot in the order). Use Langerhans as a late inning defensive replacement for that Diaz/Thorman platoon. That’s what I think should happen, and I’m pretty sure that’s what will happen, unless Langerhans has a very impressive spring.

By Arkansas Hillbilly

January 3, 2007 04:58 PM | Link to this

Lew

….I guess they were just associated with drugs cause everyone was doing them…..

Exactly my Point. I read a book “Saucerful of Secrets: A Pink Floyd Odyssey(spell)” that covers them from start to finish. Rick Wright had a big cocaine problem in the late 70’s and 80’s that almost killed him and along with a spat with Waters, ultimately got him excluded from the Final Cut album. He references that part of his life in “Wearing the Inside Out” off the Division Bell album. Its also referenced by Waters on the Wall album —Nobody Home :

“…got a Grand Piano to prop up my mortal remains…”

gotta go. see y’all tomorrow. —A.H

By Ron

January 3, 2007 05:00 PM | Link to this

DOB, Can Thorman play 3B anymore, he was drafted as a ThirdBaseman. Or is he too much of a liability at 3rd? The point is Aybar could play 2nd fulltime, and Thorman could play 3rd and give Chipper a rest some. Somebody said earlier to trade Thorman for a LHPithcher dude that is not smart. You ever Heard of Jeff Bagwell. Not saying Thorman will become Bagwell, but Red Sox did not think he would be that good. No Way you trade Thorman for a reliever, other that a Good Closer. Another person said if we could get Santana trade him for Baldelli, bullcrap, we would keep Santana, Santana is fifty times better than Baldelli.

By Voice of Reason

January 3, 2007 05:04 PM | Link to this

KC: Agreed on LF. Sound’s like a palatable arrangement given the current roster. Also very typical BC type move. Having missed out on Ward for the bench, are there any low priced boppers available? Not many power threat options there currently. Shoulda got the Ward thing done. That one might come back to haunt…

By Paul

January 3, 2007 05:07 PM | Link to this

REM (go back and listen to Reckoning and Murmur)was a great band……… their “post Monster” stuff is not that good. The same with U2. Early stuff was amazing and the new stuff is not that good. Both bands would be in my top 5. Surprised that no one has mentioned INXS. I would also put them in my top 5. Shiny happy people was awful..but so was stand. (remember the video?)

By flange1

January 3, 2007 05:16 PM | Link to this

Hi Lew,

Oh Yes! I remeber that mural!! That is really cool…. In terms of Floyd, I saw the Animals tour at the Omni in Atlanta and I did see the Wall in New York. They were POWERFUL live. Gilmore is a true genius on the guitar.

GRINCH,

While I don’t agree with your thoughts on REM, I agree that Michael’s lyrics are not that special. I always liked the way the music sounds and as Peter Buck said real early on, Michael’s voice is really the lead instrument of the band, the melody is what is important not the lyrics. As the band changed, Michael decided he had something to say, so his lyrics became somewhat important to him. In the early days the lyrics changed every night… By the second album Michael was carrying a music stand with lyrics BECAUSE HE COULD NOT REMEMBER THEM!!! I always had a hard time with everyone acting like his lyrics were so great and he can not remeber them…..

Oh well…… (as Peter Green might say)

By rivers

January 3, 2007 05:24 PM | Link to this

lowermanor and DOB,

Railroad earth, old crow medicine show great bands very fun to see live. Ya’ll should check out Jonathan Byrd, I am telling you this guy is good. He is up there with steve earle and the other kerville music festival winners.

DOB, you should check out Gloves new cd it is pretty good as well as his last one. His last cd (I think it is the hustle) is by far the best cd he has ever put out. You should also check out ALO these guys are very very talented and write some pretty darn good and funny songs.

Seriously check out Jonathan Byrd go to his website and listen to some of his songs. I would be curious to what ya’ll think.

By Lew

January 3, 2007 05:26 PM | Link to this

But don’t ask me what I think of you. I might not give the answer that you want me to. Oh well.

By TennesseePaul

January 3, 2007 05:29 PM | Link to this

The Good Shepherd (if you know anything about the agency and have an interest, you will most definitely find this compelling… if not, you probably won’t get any enjoyment out of it)

I saw this movie. I’ve read a lot about the CIA, Bay of Pigs, American Spies, and so forth. I enjoy this topic very much. That said, this movie was a let down. I couldn’t figure out why at first. I thought about it for a long time. Was it the constant dead ends in the story? The fact that Angelina Jolie was particularly unbelievable in this film? Was it because the movie was 3 hours and ended with an unclimatic, wanna be Godfather-esque scenario? Yes. Yes it was. But there was more. All that wouldn’t have been so bad, I’ve come to realize, if the ads for this movie didn’t say: “Greatest spy movie ever made!” “The Godfather of spy movies” and so on. I had seen Casino Royal (Amazing spy movie!) not a week prior. I had finished a two night marathon of Godfather 1 & 2, and then I saw this movie. I was ready for long movies. Ready for action. Ready for suspense, intrigue, international mystery, the whole shbang. This movie failed in every way. The actors I wanted to see where in there for too short of periods. There were to many pointless scenes. And Jolie… nothing. I can sometimes overlooking skill and ability if the woman is considered pretty, but no. Just couldn’t get past it. She wasn’t good in this movie. The rest of the actors were good. A lot of the dead ends could have been dropped without really affecting the anticlimactic ending.

It was OK. Not worth 12 dollars a person. But don’t go in believing the preview hypes. All those actors you see in the previews, with the exception of Damon, are in this movie for about 15 minutes. The movie is 3 hours long.

By Ace

January 3, 2007 05:30 PM | Link to this

DOB, I moved away from a radio station in Louisville KY that you’d probably dig - WFPK (fortunately it can be streamed online at wfpk.org). Its a public station that is realtively popular in Louisville - a town with a surprisingly decent music scene - My Morning Jacket is the most famous product.

By Lew

January 3, 2007 05:34 PM | Link to this

Flange’s mention of Peter Green brings something to mind. I know there’s a lot of blues fans on the blog. There is a British guitarist named Bernie Marsden, who played in one incarnation, or another with David Coverdale. His idol is Peter Green and after having the oppurtunity to jam with Green a couple of times, put out an album of cover tunes, ranging from songs Green had done with Mayall and the Bluesbreakers (he replaced Eric Clapton) and also Fleetwood Mac and beyond. The CD is called “Green and Blues”. I highly recommend it if you are a blues afficianado.

By JB

January 3, 2007 05:43 PM | Link to this

From baseball-reference:

Active Leaders Won-Loss %

1. Johan Santana .7156
2. Pedro Martinez .6913
3. Roy Oswalt .6759
4. Tim Hudson .6648
5. Roy Halladay .6616
6. Roger Clemens .6616 7, Randy Johnson .6557
7. Mark Mulder .6438
8. Andy Pettitte .6414
9. Mike Mussina .6408
10. Greg Maddux .6213

By journalist jimmy smith

January 3, 2007 06:15 PM | Link to this

WTOE Radio

By snowball's chance

January 3, 2007 06:37 PM | Link to this

Reitsma seems a good person. I wish him a healthy future and the opposite for those who can’t separate sports and life.

Railroad Earth does a nice bluegrass version of Waits’ “Cold Water”. This is the”Kinder and Gentler” version of “King of the Road”.

By Ron

January 3, 2007 07:54 PM | Link to this

DOB, Red Sox signed Pieniero today for 4 Million. I guess he would probably be there Closer, but dont know, you got any Idea? The Red Sox have 6 Starters if Lester is healthy enough to Pitch, not counting Pieniero.

By AdirondackDave

January 3, 2007 07:58 PM | Link to this

DOB — Assuming Andruw leaves for gigantic bucks (and I’m still, probably foolishly, holding out hope that new owners spend some money to keep him), I don’t see anyone easily sliding into the clean-up slot. You mentioned a couple days ago that Chipper doesn’t like to hit there. Will we likely have to go outside the organization to buytrade for somebody? Isn’t this simply using “Andruw money” to get somebody not as good as AJ? Neither LaRoche nor Francouer seem to be consistent enough (yet) to trust with the clean-up slot.

By David O'Brien

January 3, 2007 08:17 PM | Link to this

Grinch, you crack me up with the p’d off reaction when I did nothing more than give a reaction equal to yours. Difference between your over-the-top reaction to REM _ Most overrated band in the world, or whatever it was you said _ and mine is, I never tell people that, say, Dave Matthews, whom I don’t really care that much for, is the most overrated performer in the world. Clearly, he’s extremely talented and appeals to a huge number of people with good musical tastes.

I don’t tell someone that Pearl Jam is overrated just because they’re not my favorite band, because clearly they’re not overrated. They’re an incredibly talented band with great musicians and a sincere, brilliant songwriter _ they just, for whatever reason, aren’t one of my very favorite bands, though i loved them early on.

See, you on the other hand, treat a band that’s clearly, without question, an extremely talented and influential band as if they were some crappy pop band or some overrated phenomena, just because you don’t particularly like them. I mean, come on, how can you discount not the tickets or CDs they’ve sold (I could give a crap about that), but the fact that they are hugely popular with a lot of cool people, were consistently lauded by the most respected critics, even in the edgiest publications, during their more than decade-long heyday, and are cited by countless cool bands as a big influence?

A lot of us have fun bashing Nickelback or Tim McGraw or other performers that are hugely popular and come across to us as being about crass commercialism and appealing to mass audiences with hooks and little of substance, but dude, you’re doing it with a cool band, not some teen pop phenom. I have NEVER told someone that a widely recognized quality band, say a Genesis or Yes from another era, bands that I simply didn’t get into, were the most overrated bands in the world simply because I didn’t like them. That’s just my tastes, but I’m aware enough of a lot of cool people that I knew who liked them, and I could hear the musicianship in their work that was clearly high-quality, so I know it’d be kinda silly of me to say they’re the most overrated bands in the world just because I don’t like them.

Question: Who in the world ever said that REM was about lyrics? Certainly not Mike Stipe, who said from Day 1 that his lyrics were open for interpretation and many were nonsensical, at least on their earliest, best work. Only in later years did they even start putting the lyrics in the albums, so unimportant were they in the band’s early works.

Their earliest work feature obtuse lyrics and a jangly guitar sound that influenced an entire generation of “alternative rock.” I mean, we used to sit around in college trying to figure out what he was saying, and it didn’t even matter that we couldn’t agree. That wasn’t what the music was about.

Anyone who feels like they need to come to the defense of REM, like this is some marginal rock band that needs defending _ give me a freakin’ break. This is a band that is very likely going into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame on the first ballot this year, the first year they’re eligible. So I guess they fooled us all, the fans, the critics, their peers who vote for the Rock Hall of Fame.

Sorry if Stipe was a bit too unconventional and the sound was straight-ahead enough to appeal to your refined tastes, or if you listened only to their worst songs that were their biggest hits, like Stand (terrible song) and End of the World (not a bad song, but played so much that it makes me wince, too). Those were two of their huge hits, and not at all representative of anything else the band ever recorded, whatsoever.

Anyway, sorry if my “knee-jerk” reaction disappointed you. Guess only you can jump down throats, huh?

By Lew

January 3, 2007 08:31 PM | Link to this

What? No Love for Selling England By The Pound?

By Paul

January 3, 2007 08:43 PM | Link to this

I feel that if your going to choose the top 5 bands in the last 20 years or so, you have to put Beck in the conversation.

By Lew

January 3, 2007 08:44 PM | Link to this

DOB-I think a lot of the problem rests with commercial radio. As discussed earlier today, ClearChannel and their ilk have a set formula that they feel works the best for selling whatever they have to sell. This results in some damn fool, with little or no taste in music, deciding what is the best. They usually don’t have a clue and get it wrong as a result. A perfect example is Procol Harum (for those of you who are as ancient as Stinky thinks I am). Procol, if they are known at all, are known for Whiter Shade of Pale or possibly Conquistador. Now Pale was the first song they ever released (way back in 1967) and never even was included on an album. It is nowhere near being representative of the band, who put out 10 really excellent albums in their heyday and they still get together with Robin Trower and put out something new every few years. Now maturity-Can’t we all just get along? Grinch, you did come down a bit hard. DOB-It’s not like Grinch peed on a Johnny Cash CD. You both overreacted a bit, but we still think you’re ok.

By David O'Brien

January 3, 2007 08:47 PM | Link to this

TennPaul, you must not have paid attention to the “critic” who called it the “best spy movie of all time.” That was Larry King. Yikes. When they have to go to Larry King for the first critical comment on the movie trailer, red flags go up for me. But I did want to see that, because of DeNiro’s involvement and Damon’s good in just about everything….

TommyB, wasn’t Rocky Balboa pretty damn good? I’d come close to putting it in my top 10. Just don’t compare it favorably to Rocky III or IV here, or you’ll get blistered by a couple of folks who thought “I must break you” was a high point of the series.

By dcarp23

January 3, 2007 08:48 PM | Link to this

DOB-not to pick nits, but you’re mixing Sweet Home lyrics with Freebird. But you’re point is well made. For what it’s worth, That Smell is my favorite Skynyrd song.

By David O'Brien

January 3, 2007 08:52 PM | Link to this

True, it’s not like he peed on a Cash CD.

No worries. Grinch, I love you, man.

By journalist jimmy smith

January 3, 2007 08:52 PM | Link to this

well, reitsma won’t be back, gasper is dead, mora is fired, and now nardelli. dob, how many of these singers that you like wear cowboy hats? jimmy smith is betting not many. and if jesi coulter wears a cowboy hat that is cool. now, baseball … we have learned that rocco baldelli likes johnny cash’s music. should rocco baldell become a brave what music will play when he comes to bat? and now, cheese … many stores have holiday cheese samplers left over. it is a great time to buy cheese. can you imagine how many fruitcakes must be left-over?

By MBATL

January 3, 2007 09:11 PM | Link to this

DOB, my favorite REM record was Life’s Rich Pageant - had a raw, powerful quality, not overproduced. And lyrically, had kind of a recurring ‘environmental’ theme - hardly what I’d call meaningless. If they’d left “Superman” off, it would be perfect. (man, hadn’t thought about it cause I have many of their records, but their hits really are the worst of their music).

By The Grinch

January 3, 2007 09:12 PM | Link to this

DOB, I said in my rebuttal that I’d only heard the radio stuff and that there probably is something in what I haven’t heard that must be great, etc. However, it’s been my experience that the multitude of REM fans who’ve tried to convert me WEREN’T cool people, and they all said “It’s the lyrics, stupid.” Since I didn’t much care for the music (though I’ll repeat for a third time I never said it sucks) and the people who I knew lived and died for Stipe’s lyrics and I couldn’t see why, I made a generalization. Oops, I guess I was wrong. I sure as hell didn’t come out and tell someone who’s tastes I wasn’t anywhere near completely familiar with and who I otherwise respect that they didn’t know their a* from a hole in the ground musically and should never be consulted again, along with a couple of other choice statements. Go back and read your first reaction, and tell me if you don’t sound like a 12 year old who’s just been told his favorite power Ranger’s overrated and someone else’s favorite is the coolest. I don’t really know enough about the band to care one way or the other, and if I’d known it was gonna make you completely question my competence, taste and sanity I wouldn’t have brought it up. What you said was f**d-up, Dave. Sorry I hit that nerve. I’m watching LSU-Notre Dame now. Brady Quinn is an overrated quarterback in my opinion. If you’re an Irish fan I suppose that means I don’t know my a* from a hole in the ground about football either.

By Rosalynn

January 3, 2007 09:18 PM | Link to this

Lew reminds me a lot of my Jimma. Lew stepped in theah between the Grinch and DOB and restoahed hahmony and peaceful relations. This is also the work of the Carter Centa but we do it with nations and world leadahs - not bloggas. I am personally vera proud of Lew.

By The Grinch

January 3, 2007 09:23 PM | Link to this

As always, your last post came in well after I’d already posted. To hell with it. No biggie. Sorry I made a blanket statement; I abhor that in others. I just didn’t think it deserved character assassination as a response. No hard feelings.

By The Grinch

January 3, 2007 09:26 PM | Link to this

I really love being the last one to look like an A$$-hole. Makes my day. :-)

By brian

January 3, 2007 09:33 PM | Link to this

DOB- what ever happened to Drivin and Cryin?

Early REM was great, and unfortunately I cannot remember the name of my favorite “album” of theirs. One of fraternity brothers had it. It was an all acoustic live album (obviously not straight from the record label) from a concert in Italy where they were booked “for fun” between official shows under one of their aliasis. That album kicked a$#. It was the late early ’90s and had all their early greatest. Fall on Me - by far and away the best version.

Mr. REM expert, please say you know what I am talking about or can point me in the direction of this.

TLJ is right about one thing. About the only move where we break even for the present and improve ourself for the future starts with dealing Andruw. While we are at it, lets get Santana, Figgins, and Erick Aybar for AJ playing Erick Aybar at 2B and Figgins at LF and keeping Santana. Shouldn’t take much time or effort on JS part correct?

By Tomahawkin

January 3, 2007 09:35 PM | Link to this

Damn Grinch, You need a drink to settle down….Easy…

Just a good thing that Reeksma will not be here, Notre Dame is Losing, and 6 weeks til spring training…

By Tomahawkin

January 3, 2007 09:41 PM | Link to this

This might be outta my league, but I’ll take some R.E.M. As some good shyt…Watchin old Beavis and Butthead episodes got me onto that…

By Tomahawkin

January 3, 2007 09:47 PM | Link to this

Oh yea…Word of mouf on the Phillies forum is dat the Mutts are considering going after Tomokazu (Tomo) Okha…That’s funny, I’d sure hope they get him…From what I can remember we had success against him when he was with the EXPOS…Another Japanese pitcher bust, although he was not as highly scouted as some of these new cats you see on ESPN, But I can remember that he was once a high prospect in the expos organization…

By David O'Brien

January 3, 2007 09:47 PM | Link to this

I dig Rosalyn posts. They make me smile….

Grinch, I agree: Quinn is a tad overrated….

Brian, that bootleg sounds pretty cool (I”m assuming it’s a bootleg). But I have no idea where to get it or even what it is. I’m not up on their hardcore fan stuff, bootlegs and such. I bet you could get from one of their fanclub websites or something (I’ve never been on one of their sights, but I’d be if you google “REM fanclubs” you’ll get some and that you can find bootlegs through somebody there.)

By David O'Brien

January 3, 2007 10:01 PM | Link to this

Oh, and I thin Drivin’ and Cryin’ are still around. Friend of mine, who drums in a local band The Lord is My Shotgun, did some sessions with them a few years back, I think he said.

MBATL, REM’s biggest hits were my least favorite songs of theirs. It is kinda weird. I’d forgotten Superman, but yes, another hit and not at all one of my favorites.

Hey, I only meant their earliest albums had obtuse, non-sensical lyrics. You know, Murmur, Reckoning (You know, stuff like Pretty Persuasion, where the lyrics seem so cool and important when you’re singing them, but then you think about what you’re singing and it’s kind of like, ‘what?’), that early stuff. Only on Rockville could you really hear all the lyrics clearly, among those first couple of albums.

Later on you could hear all the lyrics, and Stipe started to get deeper and connect with more people, or at least that’s how I viewed it. I just remember being able to sing songs like Wendell Gee later and thinking about the meaning, then they really got into heavier stuff, like you pointed out.

One post-IRS album I think was way underrated: New Adventures in Hi-Fi. Had some great songs, like How the West Was Won… and E-Bow The Letter (with Patti Smith).

Brian, try this site for REM bootlegs:

http://orangefox.svs.com/rem/bootdiscog.html

By David O'Brien

January 3, 2007 10:09 PM | Link to this

DCarp, just saw your post. That’s kinda embarrassing, that I made that screwup on lyrics. But it does kind of illustrate my point, I guess, in a way. Anyhow, I think I’ll fix that.

By TommyB

January 3, 2007 10:10 PM | Link to this

Cripes. I said I liked Rocky Balboa… ? ? ?

Gave me over-the-top Warm-and-Fuzzies. Said I wanted to see it again ALREADY.

Heck, it even motivated me to order the latest DVD version of Rocky 1.

And for whoever it was responding to my reference to Good Shepherd. I did not say it was Top 10. I did say it was compelling. Damon’s character was largely James Jesus Angleton. His schoolmate was clearly Dick Helms. DeNiro was obviously Wild Bill Donovan. The guy jumping out of the window after a dose of LSD was likely derivative of the former SecDef.

Like I said… it would be appealing if you had enough background. If not, LaDeDa…

By Bruce

January 3, 2007 10:12 PM | Link to this

Dave, Frankly, I’m in withdrawal so I just watched several innings of the home opener against Philly, Thompson had a two-run double and Oscar had a blown save and win, Reitsma a save….

What games do you recommend from last season? Your favorites would be a great place to start… Thanks, Bruce

By dcarp23

January 3, 2007 10:16 PM | Link to this

I saw Drivin n’ Cryin at Hampden Sydney in Virginia in 2002. So I think they’re playing small liberal arts schools these days.

By Ron

January 3, 2007 10:19 PM | Link to this

Who the Hell is REM? Never heard of them. Can yall inform me? Were they back in the 70’s or 80’s.

By Lew

January 3, 2007 10:19 PM | Link to this

Thank You, Miz Carter. Did I ever tell you I met your son Chip? (Not Chippa).

By Lew

January 3, 2007 10:22 PM | Link to this

The problem with the CIA’s LSD experiments was that they should have played the Door’sStrange Days for their subjects. Does wonders for a bummer. Really, Dude.

By Eric

January 3, 2007 10:24 PM | Link to this

DOB - I’m going to refer back to your post this afternoon about the college bowl games. I hate it too. Well, hate is a strong word, but the BCS has ruined football bowls. I was surprised to see Boise State come out gunning so smoothly. Usually those passing offenses don’t do so well, especially that fast, with a month long lay off. It took Brohm of Louisville almost 3 quarters to get in sync. 6 games on new years day though were on at the same time at 1pm, it was really hard to watch (but real exciting) They were all good too. Way to go Big East! (I’m a USF fan/alum) ACC, you deserve the talk that the Big East got last offseason. — but I think the real question is.. are they going to ever go to a playoff? I’m tired of no college football for the 2nd and 3rd saturdays in December. Come on D1 schools, everyone else does it. You can’t play the acedemic card, because the kids playing football as D2 or lower schools really do need to study, because what they’re going to school for is what they will be doing. They ain’t going to the NFL. Ok, thanks.

By Tomahawkin

January 3, 2007 10:24 PM | Link to this

Bruce, Nuthin like that July series in the Louie where our bats wiped the floor with the Cardinals…I got off on this because I get to put up wit these bandwagon cardinal fans i live up here with…That was my highlite of the year…

By The Grinch

January 3, 2007 10:25 PM | Link to this

I hope the Mets DO get Tomo Ohka; seems like he’s gotten shelled just about every time I’ve watched him. DOB, I think Quinn will be a good quarterback at some point, but he’s been under the microscope so bad he’s got Eli Manning written all over him. He’d benefit greatly from spending a couple of seasons on the sideline with a clipboard, which won’t happen. Oakland or Detroit will destroy him, unless he pulls a Drew Brees and comes together at 26 or 7 after people have given up on him. Time for a sandwich.

By Troy

January 3, 2007 10:25 PM | Link to this

This post is building a little bit of tension huh? Damn those REM guys, I was born in 84’ and all I know about REM is their song helped make Tommy Boy one of the funniest movies ever. So how about Baseball?

By David O'Brien

January 3, 2007 10:27 PM | Link to this

Ron, just saw your question way earlier, whether or not Thorman can still play 3B. In a word, no.

Jed, agreed on Chesnutt _ talk about criminally underappreciated. What a talent. Though personally, I would put no one on Dylan’s exalted level for songwriting, save for the late Hank Sr. and perhaps Townes Van Zant. But I know you’re not alone in that view of Chesnutt. Many consider him as good as any.

Just curious, what do you think of Todd Snyder?

By Tomahawkin

January 3, 2007 10:33 PM | Link to this

Bruce, as a matter of fact I had serious withdrawls over the last 2 weeks…I had to Pull out my “Braves Win It All Tape”..Talk about classic memories dawg…

I wonder why in da hell has there not been a DVD put out to celebrate our 15 years of great baseball…I mean The Yanks, Dodgers, Cubs, Cards, and Sox all have DVD’s

We might as well have something to celebrate the crew on TBS before all gets broken up on that crappy a-s-s channel…D.O.B. I don’t think you put up watch very little of that crap they show on TBS as a Result of taking 50 percent of the Braves games off da air do you…?

Hell next thing TBS will show some Stupid grammy award show or better yet re-runs of That “American Idiot” mess…

By flange1

January 3, 2007 10:36 PM | Link to this

hi Lew,

Glad you got the Peter Green reference, and I will check out the album that you mentioned. I love the blues and Peter Green was and is a master of that genre. If anyone with HD get;s the RAVE channel, the Bluesbreakers live with Clapton and Mick Tayloris worth watching.

DOB,

I agree with you on REM. Their singles were ok (wore out quickly) but the deeper album cuts have staying power. For me now and then lyrics from REM are not important. I had 2 English lit clasees with Michael Stipe and I could tell you some stories about his off the wall reflections on literature…..

Driving and Crying is still around. They regroup from time to time and Kevin Kinney still plays his a* of everywhere. They are a strange group of guys and make different music, but I promise you if you met Kevin and spent some time with him listening to his acoustic stuff, DOB, you would appreciate his talent. His songwriting skill is deep, his presentation is a bit hard to take at times but he is really a singer songwriter who got caught in the middle of a 3 piece band.. By the way, there first gig at 688 had 3 guitar players and really sounded more like Van Halen then you could believe!!!!

By David O'Brien

January 3, 2007 10:37 PM | Link to this

Bruce, I’m with T-Hawkin: Start with that whole week after the All-Star break, the Padres and Cardinals road games. Not exactly brilliant pitching performances in most of them, but the Braves’ hitting _ greatest one-week stretch of offense in Atlanta history, bar none. It was pretty ridiculous, what they did to San Diego and St. Louis pitching in those games.

Then there was Chuck James’ first start, at Tampa Bay on June 25 (two hits in eight innings)

Then, if you’ve got a masochistic streak, you could watch what the Mets did to the Braves in that coffin-closing series at Turner just two weeks later. Ouch.

Oh, and don’t forget the Braves’ eight-homer explosion on May 28 at Wrigley (of course, you’d probably not want to be reminded what happened in the subsequent three weeks).

By Tomahawkin

January 3, 2007 10:38 PM | Link to this

Wow!!! Ron, Even I know who REM Is….Good Shyt, makes me mellow out…Beavis and Butthead got me on it…They’re critiques are crazy…

By MBATL

January 3, 2007 10:40 PM | Link to this

Agreed on New Adventures… I like that one, and taken as a whole it can put you in a trance…

Speaking of which, you mentioned Yes. I was really into them in high school, and used to lay in bed with my big ol’ headphones, listening to Close to the Edge and trying to figure out the message. It all seemed so “metaphorical.”

Years later, heard an interview with Jon Anderson, in which he said that most of the lyrics on that album meant absolutely nothing… just words that went well with the music. Oh well. I still love the album.

We need to trade Laroche, or AJ, or Hudson… so we’ll have some baseball to blog about. (Tomo Ohka… the Mutts can have him. He’s not bad, but can’t stay healthy. I still think they’ll make a run at Willis for Milledge and change).

By David O'Brien

January 3, 2007 10:41 PM | Link to this

T-hawkin, they probably thought of doing a video. But so many postseason ended in such disappointing fashion, sort of hard to do a nice, feel-good video, I’d imagine.

Hey, I noticed the commercial for Braves’ new radio home, The Bull, a country station. But something tells me they ain’t playing a lot of Johnny, Hag or Waylon on the ‘ol Bull, huh?

By Tomahawkin

January 3, 2007 10:45 PM | Link to this

Dude I’m so tired of Brady Quinn, and the ESPN Love affair…That network drives me crazy ESE, Cheese-Whiz…

Good Troy, at 23 I thought I was the youngest cat up in here…

Grinch I’m wit U time 4 some grubb…

By dcarp23

January 3, 2007 10:47 PM | Link to this

I saw Drivin n Cryin at Hampden Sydney in Virginia in ‘02. So I think they’re playing small liberal art schools these days.

By David O'Brien

January 3, 2007 10:47 PM | Link to this

We’ll see about stirring up something tomorrow for a new blog, though pickins are a bit slim.

Hey, I know Saban’s very rich now, but I think it’s safe to say he won’t be keeping a second home in South Florida. Take a look at LeBatard’s column in Miami Herald. Wow. Totally destroys Saban:

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/16374957.htm

By David O'Brien

January 3, 2007 10:51 PM | Link to this

Just to clarify post a few minutes ago: I meant the Braves-Mets series two weeks after the offensive blitzkrieg road series, not two weeks after James’ start.

By MBATL

January 3, 2007 10:52 PM | Link to this

T’hawkin, was at my mom’s house during the holidays, and she was trying to throw away junk, and I was helping. She was gonna toss the entire ‘91 WS on VHS (pretty cool that my mother even HAD that!) … I salvaged em’, but haven’t checked yet to see if the tapes are still good.

By David O'Brien

January 3, 2007 10:59 PM | Link to this

Damn, my onslaught of typos continues. Todd Snider, not Snyder.

Hey, gonna go watch the rest of this game, but meant to say earlier that if you folks haven’t seen “The Last Kiss,” it’s definitely worth renting on DVD. Good movie. Your wives or girlfriends will love you for renting it, but it’s far more than a “chick flick.”

later

By Troy

January 3, 2007 11:10 PM | Link to this

MBATL- that is pretty sweet I would love to have that on tape or DVD

By Tomahawkin

January 3, 2007 11:14 PM | Link to this

MBATL, Hell No….Thats unacceptable…It’s like when my mom sold 20,000 of my baseball cards at a yard sale for $20 when I was at baseball practice some 10 years ago, I’m still scarred from that one…

By The Grinch

January 3, 2007 11:23 PM | Link to this

ACC deserves praise? Dude, the ACC came in this year talkin’ all kinds of smack about how with their expansion they’re now way better than the SEC. Ga. Tech vs. Wake Forrest for the Championship? I could stop there (after the laughs subside), but I’ll go on to include that Wake got stomped in their bowl (as they should have, and by a mediocre team) and Tech lost its bowl to a team who’s entire offense was built around their running back who didn’t even play. If I were an ACC fan, I’d be mighty quiet right about now.

And sorry, blog, I see everyone here’s an REM fan. Oops. I still don’t like Drivin n Cryin, though; I don’t give a crap what anyone says. If I hear “To build a fire” one more time I’m gonna chase the singer down and strangle him. And no, I’ve never seen them live or heard a whole alblum. Won’t someone tell me how great their lyrics are and if I’d just look them up I’d understand? :-)

By Scalp 'em Braves

January 3, 2007 11:33 PM | Link to this

KC:

Great call on platooning Diaz and Thorman in LF, and using Langerhans as a late inning defensive replacement (rolling eyes). That way, we may score a run or two with the platooner’s offense and give up 2 to 4 runs by crappy defense until Langerhans gets into the game. You are a knowledgeable baseball guy, I know, from reading your many posts on the blog. But, gotta disagree with you on this one. If Langerhans gets to play EVERY day, I think his offense picks up (along with some intense instruction from a hitting guru, in the George Brett- Charlie Lau mode).

On albums - Grinch - you have never bought an “album”?? Geez man, you’re, um, 33? What did you do? Buy cassettes? CD’s have been the rage for about 20 years. You didn’t buy music before 1985?? When I was 13, I had about 30 albums, and over 100 singles (stil have them - can you say “E-Bay”? - LOL). If one didn’t have music at 13, he was either lame, a dork or broke.

On REM - I agree with several prior comments. The early stuff was great - more acoustic, better rhythms, melodies, and not the whiny-arse voice that Stipe became. The later stuff, I can do without. I liked them until Stipe started wearing the stupid looking hats, came out of the closet, and got artsy-fartsy with his lyrics - a lot of the tunes were still good, but when I saw him dancing around with the chick from the B-52’s in the “Stand” video, and knew that if he was stuck on a desert island alone with her, he wouldn’t bang her…. well, sorry, I just lost interest in the entire band at that time - plus, the music just wasn’t as good as it had been in days gone by.

On “CD’s”… Gotta admit, I have heard a lot of good stuff - got a kid whose really into the music scene - I’ll hear something he is playing, and tell him I like that - he rips me a CD of songs of that ilk - saves me having to pay $15 - $20 for a CD that has 3 or 4 songs I like, and the rest of them stink. I-Tunes is the greatest thing since….

XM Radio - if you don’t like the stations on the air (which I don’t - listened to sports talk radio for years because I couldn’t take “Classic Rock”, “Soft Rock”, “Alternative Rock”, “Crappy Rock”, “Mix Rock”, etc), you need to consider it. Spend about 100 bucks to get the system (can be trasferred between the car, the house, the office), and $12 a month - get 20 rock channels, plus 40’s, 50’s, 60’s,, etc., HARDCORE blues, jazz, talk and anything else you want. Even 4 show tune channels for you Stipe fans. Heck, they even had a channel devoted to Hannukah music last month. Plus, Braves baseball, wherever you are - in fact, every baseball game played is broadcast. I spend a lot of time in the car, and was continually frustrated going in and out of radio range trying to keep up with Braves games - not anymore! Plus, they have great baseball talk during the day - it’s like being a junkie in a shooting house.

XM has one channel, “Deep Tracks”, that plays nothing but the songs from your favorite artists that you never heard on the radio. Awesome stuff!

Sirius (sp?) is the other satellite radio, and a couple of my friends rave about it too. With either service, believe me, you will never listen to over the air music radio again.

By Bruce

January 3, 2007 11:37 PM | Link to this

Dave and T’hawkin,

Thanks so much for the recs on games! I’ll be watching those games… that was a truly trememdous hitting streak, will be lots of fun to re-live.

I’m just back from watching some of the Aug 1 Pirates game, Smoltz win with Wickman save. LaRoche hit two dingers. Pirates GM Littlefield was interviewed in the top of the 5th inning about the deals to get Nady and Chacon. First game back for Duffy too.

Littlefield said he sees Nady as corner outfielder not first base in the future… evaluating Duffy, announcer said Duffy was top 2-3 CF in the National league on defense… Littlefield seemed to agree.. Says they want another left handed bat.

By Scalp 'em Braves

January 3, 2007 11:45 PM | Link to this

DOB:

Funny you should mention “Last Kiss” - my wife rented it tonight - I saw the title and told her I wasn’t going to watch a freakin chick flick - instead, went to Walmart to buy epoxy to fix the ceramic spoon rest she overpaid for, and then broke, and a wireless printer server - came back, went to the other TV and turned on the game - you saying I lost a chance to get lucky by not sitting with her during the movie?? DAYUUM!!

LSU is making the SEC proud - gotta love the names of the players - Early Doucet (one of the best names ever), Bowe, Broussard, etc. Damned Cajuns/Creoles can play some ball. Jamarcus Russel will be an absolute star in the NFL - guy can throw the ball 60 yards standing flat footed, and 80 yards while on the run. Can’t believe one of the state schools in Alabama let him get away.

By journalist jimmy smith

January 3, 2007 11:53 PM | Link to this

rocco nardelli is out of work. if the braves want to get him, now is the time - and they don’t have to give up chuck james. nardelli was released today. don’t know if he can replace andruw but he has a really good agent and got a nice separation - doesn’t have to play baseball anymore.

what? what’s that baby seal? nardelli with home depot not baldelli with tampa bay? oh, the humanity!

By The Grinch

January 3, 2007 11:57 PM | Link to this

I meant an alblum by THAT BAND, Scalp; blow me. I have about 40 glass records for my oldest Victrola, maybe 60 78’s for my newer one (about a 1920 model), maybe 50 45’s, approx. 350 33 1/3 vinyl “alblums,” about 60 8-tracks (and yes, the player still works in the stereo and one of my cars), about 600 cassettes and about 800 cd’s. I also have about 4500 songs downloaded. I despise Atlanta radio; I’ve been forced to load up on other things unless I want to hear crap, which I don’t.

BTW, this may be lost in Notre Dame’s getting exposed for about the fourth time this year (third loss, one DRAMATIC win over Ga Tech) but JaMarcus Russell just threw a touchdown pass 50+ yards in the air off his back foot. That boy has a serious arm.

By Scalp 'em Braves

January 4, 2007 12:18 AM | Link to this

Awww Grinch… you want me to blow you?? Sorry, not into that - call Stipe! Seriously, I took your words (and you ought to know better, being a writer) and twisted them to suit my humorous ends. “Glass records”? “Victrola”? “Eight Track player that still works”? “Alblums [sic]”? Sheesh - I take back my earlier comment about a 13 year old that doesn’t have any music being a dork - a 33 year old who has all that crap is a DORK!! LMAO

You’re right about Russell - he is a freak - unbelievable talent in the big body.

By The Grinch

January 4, 2007 12:22 AM | Link to this

I’ve always thought Brady Quinn’s sister looked hot, but it was disturbing to see her standing next to him on the sidelines just now. She looks waaay to much like him only with boobs, long hair and no lampblack under her eyes. Does this mean…(cough, cough). Yeah. So, I’m thinkin’ we ought to hire the Bears’ defensive coordinator to show the rest of the NFL we’ve got a pair…:-)

By Scalp 'em Braves

January 4, 2007 12:24 AM | Link to this

I agree with DOB on the “Rosalyn” posts - classic, and witty (God, I hope “Rosalyn” isn’t Stinky in drag - don’t want to give that idiot props). Her (his) best line from a post a few weeks ago went something like this.

“My Jimma has been vindicated. While his book was panned, his latest movie, “Iwo Jimma, has been declaired a wuk of awt”

By Scalp 'em Braves

January 4, 2007 12:31 AM | Link to this

Charlie Weiss - $3++ Million a year The Golden Dome - Who knows what this costs? Tickets to the Sugar Bowl - $135 each New Orleans Hotel for 3 nights - $750 A night on Bourbon Street - $200 The next morning puking your guts out.. Watching Notre Dame lose every bowl game it has played in since 1994 - PRICELESS!

4

By Kentavo

January 4, 2007 12:34 AM | Link to this

Not old enough to have been able to experience the Athens scene of the early 80s, but lucky enough that 96 Rock started playing R.E.M. early on, including Radio Free Europe.'' I boughtReckoning” right when it came out and was hooked. Loved the jangle which was such a sharp contrast to the shredding that was dominating “mainstream” rock. Love their stuff up until Bill Berry split - never underestimate his contributions. You can run into Mike Mills at Atkins Park in Va. Highland time to time. I think he goes there to do his NCAA basketball picks. That’s the rumor, anyway. Still, if you want to talk live bands, no-one can top The Who. Saw ‘em in Nov. in Gwinnett, and for two guys in their early 60s, Townshend and Daltrey can put guys half their age to shame. As for the last 25 years question, what about The Chili Peppers? Pearl Jam? Foo Fighters? Paul Weller? Metallica? Beastie Boys? Cold Play? Jane’s Addiction?

By Scalp 'em Braves

January 4, 2007 12:45 AM | Link to this

Mal Moore - Alabama Athletics Director-

What he said;

“The hiring of Coach Saban signifies a new era in Alabama football, and demonstrates the University of Alabama’s committment to bring excellence to our program”

What he meant:

“Alabama is so freaking desperate it will pay anything to get a decent coach”

Roll Turds, Roll!!!

By Scalp 'em Braves

January 4, 2007 12:55 AM | Link to this

Grinch - after enough bourbon, beer, etc., you would think Stinky in a dress, wig and fake boobs looked hot - but, guess that is a another topic, for another day…..

By rotgut

January 4, 2007 01:05 AM | Link to this

Dave

I just want to say that WIDESPREAD PANIC is playing as solid as the Boise State Offense my friend. They are pulling s** off left and right and leaving the crowd speechless. I really have tried to get into the DB Truckers but musically they just do not cut it for me. Ill admit Hood and the gang can write a good southern classic and his voice leads to great songs but they just dont match up well.

I hope everyone at the truckers new year show in atl had a blast BUT look at the tricks that panic pulled off and the 10x amount of music they played and its like comparing Christina Applegate to Tina Yuthers. Sorry Married with Children just came on and ive always had a huge boner for her during my teen years.

ANyway check out the panic nye show my man.

www.digitalpanic.org

has both nights of Panic at Phillips for free download and i think they are putting up the DBT new years shows to download for free also. Just thought youd like to check it out. BUT YOU HAVE TO GIVE PANIC A LISTEN TO. Derek Trucks and Susan Tedeschi showed up to play LITTLE WING for an encore the first night! Man oh Man!

If you cant download the shows, then www.panicstream.com will be streaming both nights of wsp soon enough. Just give it a listen to and tell me that your not blown away by that LITTLE WING. Awesome stuff. i totally blacked out that first night and am still regreting missing the show. They also played I WANT YOU (SHES SO HEAVY). sick

By The Grinch

January 4, 2007 01:10 AM | Link to this

I suppose I did come off sounding like an eclectic geek…inherited 80% of that stuff, but it’s still cool to have. You ain’t lived ‘till you’ve smoked some, uh, well, you know and danced with a hot chick to the ol’ wind up machine. You’d be surprised how many chicks appreciate how cool it is to have a Victrola (about the same number that dig “English Patient,”or “Piano,” or about 85% of all chick flicks). It’s more effective than an I-pod, you young whippersnapper. As for Saban and Alabama, yeah they grossly overpaid, but they also DID get a pretty good coach. Something tells me the Iron Bowl won’t be so lopsided much longer.

By Scalp 'em Braves

January 4, 2007 01:24 AM | Link to this

Uh, well, I was in a bar, and, uh, smoked some, uh, you know… next thing I know, there was this hot stripper shaking her, uh, you know, in my face, and I got uh, you know, turned on.. next thing I knew, we were naked, and you know, uh, what happened next… 9 months later, I was, uh, the proud (okay, uh, maybe not so proud) father of another baby… Uh, sorry honey, it was one of my, uh, weak moments..Yes, you know, uh, you get half of my salary for the rest of my life, plus my left ball (good thing I’m a switch hitter).

By rotgut

January 4, 2007 01:24 AM | Link to this

Sorry i HAD to post the setlist. im still drooling over that first night encore with D.Trucks and wife. Her voice has got to be one of the top 10 HOTTEST female vocalist going strong right now. She can make a man melt and rip the guitar…

12/30/06 Philips Arena

Disc1 Set 1: 01 Sex Machine house music

02 Conrad >

03 Climb To Safety,

04 Fishwater >

05 Chest Fever*,

06 Travelin’ Man* >

07 C. Brown**,

08 Walkin’ (For Your Love) >

09 All Time Low

Disc 2 Set 2: 01 Time Zones**,

02 North,

03 Pilgrims,

04 Blackout Blues* >

05 Diner >

06 Papa’s Home >

07 Drums

Disc 3 Set 2 08 Drums, Schools, & Jimmy

09 Bust It Big >

10 I Want You (She’s So Heavy)* >

11 Give*

ENCORE

12 Little Wing** >

13 This Part Of Town,

14 The Take Out* >

15 Porch Song*

• with John Keane on guitar * with John Keane on pedal steel with Derek Trucks on guitar ** with Derek Trucks on guitar, Mike Mills on keyboards, Susan Tedeschi on vocals -WHOA i didnt even notice til now that Mills was on keys too!

12/31/06

Disc 1 Set 1 1. From the cradle

1. WDYBT?

2. Wondering

3. Wish you were here

4. Driving song

5. Expiration day

6. Down,

7. Ribs & whiskey

Disc2 Set 2 1. Bowlegged Woman>

1. Surprise Valley>

2. Good people>

3. Imitation Leather Shoes,

4. Airplane>

5. Second skin,

6. LGDTB

Disc 3 Set 3 1. Countdown

1. I Cant stop loving you*,

2. Love Tractor>

3. Pigeons>

4. Jam>

5. You Should be Glad,

6. Barstools & Dreamers>

7. JB Rap

8. Barstools & Dreamers

Disc 4 Set 3 1. Fixin to die*>

1. Chily water>

2. action Man

Encore - 4. May your Glass be Filled,

1. Last Dance.

6.Ain’t Life Grand

(jb acoustic 1st set except for Expiration day and down) * w/ col Bruce Hampton

Everything from Neil Young, Hendrix and Vic Chesnutt to Pink Floyd, the Band and the Beatles! Check it out

By jed

January 4, 2007 03:21 AM | Link to this

i like what i’ve heard of todd snider, but i’ve only heard a couple of his albums. couldnt say it hit me with the force of those early vic chesnutt albums, but i havent heard any of his more recent stuff. dylan’s a god—no one can compare to him…over 40 years of brilliant songs and still writing great stuff. (positively amazing that, after all the quantam albums of the 60s & 70s, he could put out one of his absolute best albums, “time out of mind,” in 1997. the man’s a freak..an alien hybrid, most likely…sent here to advance human evolution.) but, yes, vic chesnutt…he’s got this direct line to a certain kind of person—typically intelligent but thoroughly alienated by the nonsense they’re surrouded by—and that’s why his fans are so rabid. “just a general freak that is boiling in me/and i’m terrified what it’s gonna dislodge..” and nobody phrases quite like vic. it’s a bee-Yooooo-Ti-Full thang.

By berigan

January 4, 2007 03:40 AM | Link to this

Hey Grinch…..what you got on 78??? Meaning, mostly jazz, Country, Opera???? then who you have the most of????

By berigan

January 4, 2007 03:42 AM | Link to this

Grinch, a video that I feel you will really enjoy! ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXlmsu0kO2Y

By David O'Brien

January 4, 2007 04:05 AM | Link to this

You guys blogging at 3 a.m. are freaks … bless you. Jed, couldn’t agree with you more about Dylan, and you’ve inspired me to get a couple of the earlier Chesnutt CDs.

Just came downstairs to shut down the laptop and the office after watching an intense, trippy, creepy French film called “Lemming.” Very Hitchcockian. Cool enough to keep me wide awake at 3:30 a.m.

By dayf

January 4, 2007 04:34 AM | Link to this

I think this thread is dead enough for me to safely de-lurk…

The more I think about it the more I’m comfortable with KJ leading off and playing second assuming he doesn’t flop in spring training. If we can rip some team off in a LaRoche deal, then do it, but otherwise I’m ok with the roster as it stands. Now that I’ve acccepted the fact that there will be no trades, of course there will be 2 or 3 deals immediately made.

As far as the REM brouhaha is concerned, they are concidered to be overrated my many people because Shiny Happy People and Losing My Religion have been WAY overplayed. Let these people hear Texarkana or Driver 8, they’ll revise their opinions.

As someone with an hour and a half commute at odd hours when the local sports stations don’t have a decent signal I must say that Atlanta radio is horrific. I’m dreading having to preset a country station just to hear the Braves. Album 88 is slowly turning into the only thing I listen to, I especially like Psychobilly Freakout and Soul Kitchen.

Favorite Bands: Frank Zappa Camper Van Beethoven\Cracker They Might Be Giants Dead Milkmen Cake Pixies

Keep up the good work DOB….

By berigan

January 4, 2007 04:51 AM | Link to this

Sure David, freaks to post at 3 am, nothing wrong with posting at 4 am, eh? ;)

As for radio in Atlanta. It has gone so very downhill since I moved her in 1993. Z93 was actually good then. So was 96 rock. Heard songs that I hadn’t heard before on hard rock stations in St. Louis or Jacksonville. And 99X was helping launch bands nationwide. How the mighty have fallen.

This lame 96.1 seems to have just as weak a signal as it did when it was the buzz, how’d they manage that? Now David tells us we will find Braves games somewhere else on the dial??? Great. On some station I’d never listen to in a million years. I don’t even know the Bull. I guess I will once the ads start rolling.

Someday, when we braves fans that became fans from TBS or WSB get older and/or die off,(Not trying to rush things!) “they” are going to scratch their heads as to why there aren’t many new fans.

Perhaps Sirius and XM own a chunk of every FM station, and are purposely destroying them to make us go over to Satellite. Their master plan has just about broken me of the habit of FM…..

By John Adcox

January 4, 2007 07:48 AM | Link to this

I made the XM leap. Between that and the iPod, I haven’t looked back since.

John

By Richard Cory

January 4, 2007 08:20 AM | Link to this

Eric——-Go Bulls!!!

By KC

January 4, 2007 08:37 AM | Link to this

Scalp em’ Braves:

Matt Diaz is an average outfielder… probably no better, but certainly not any worse. There were a couple times I remember him looking bad out there, but I think there were more instances in which he looked excellent. To me, it balances out to an average or slightly above average left-fielder. Offensively, Matt Diaz earned some respect in my book by hitting .327 over 300 at-bats. Frankly, he’s earned the opportunity to show what he can do, playing every day. But I think we also need to get a closer look at Thorman.

Speaking of Thorman, everyone knows that he is not a left-fielder. It’s a new position for him, and he’ll get better at that position as time goes on. Thorman absolutely tore up Richmond last year, and didn’t look bad in Atlanta. Give him a chance. If, after a while, it becomes apparent that he’s not enough of a hitter to atone for his defensive inadequacies in left, then yank him out of left and send him down or trade him. But right now he deserves further opportunity to show what he can do at the major league level. We need to see what kind of hitter he is.

As a platoon, that combo might give the Braves a below average defensive LF right now. But again, Diaz is not bad and Thorman will get better. And, at least for now, the Braves have still got Andruw patrolling center, which helps both corner outfielders as they don’t have to get to many gap-ers. Offensively, this platoon will be a very productive one… particularly for the 8th slot in the order.

And yes, they do have Langerhans there as a late-inning defensive replacement. All in all, I think left-field will be a productive position for the Braves next season, and I’m not worried about it in the slightest.

By KC

January 4, 2007 08:44 AM | Link to this

DOB: Why is it that Jeff Schultz never responds to bloggers. I tend to think it’s because so many of his viewpoints are indefensible, but I was wondering if you knew the answer.

By KC

January 4, 2007 09:15 AM | Link to this

berigan and others: One of the problems facing local radio in terms of quality, is deregulation. Prior to 1996, no entity could own more than one radio station in any single market, and couldn’t own more than 12 AM stations, and 12 FM stations (or more than 7 TV stations) total in the U.S. This was to protect the diversity of public information/programming nationally, and to keep any entity from become too powerful in that regard.

In 1996, a bill was passed that required the FCC to lift (or at least greatly loosen) these restrictions. Now one entity can own a number (I believe up to 7) stations in any given market, and can own almost as many stations nationally as they want, up to 35% of the total national radio market. The result has been monster media conglomerates like Clear-channel and Cumulus, who together, own a majority of all medium and major market radio stations.

It used to be that every radio station had a staff of people that were working to make that station the very best it could be. Now, you often have as many as 7 ratio stations housed out of one building in order to save money on overhead and staff. These days, you often have one Program Director that are decides the programming and music for 7 different stations. Or in some cases the music is chosen centrally by a national program director in New York or somewhere.

Cumulus and Clear-Channel own a full 7 stations in nearly every market they’re in, and with those 7, it usually works like this: The top 2 or 3 stations will be almost adequately staffed, and the other stations become red-headed step-children. Many of the lower rated radio stations are housed in one small room or even a large closet in-between several other stations… literally, a closet! Often on these stations (especially in medium and small markets) the DJs you hear aren’t actually in the studio. They’re just voice guys that record all that stuff and email or zip it to a Production Director and makes it sound like there’s a live DJ.

You get the point… radio is now largely mass-produced slop. It’s become cafeteria food.

By Fed Up

January 4, 2007 09:16 AM | Link to this

DOB:

I have an HOF question for you:

Why are such great pitchers as Tommy John, Orel Hersheiser, and Jack Morris not considered potential Hall of Famers? True they don’t have 300 wins, but they have great won-loss ratios, tons of Ks, Cy Youngs, postseason success, and other credentials. These guys are clearly three of the best pitchers in baseball history, and they should be in the hall.

Very few pitchers are ever going to win 300 again. It’s time to consider other criteria for the starters.

By Shaun

January 4, 2007 09:52 AM | Link to this

Ray and Shaun: I agree that ERA doesn’t always tell the whole story when it comes to relievers, but when it comes to starters… ERA is the most accurate measurement of a pitchers success.

A pitcher’s job is to keep the other guys from scoring. Period. Hits, walks, strike outs, ground/fly ball ratios… those stats ultimately mean nothing. It’s all about preventing your opponent from scoring runs.

Now there are 2 things to keep in mind regarding a starter. First, his ERA can vary a little based on how well the bullpen handles inherited runners.

Also, innings pitched per start is an important stat for a starter, because if he’s overworking the bullpen, that detracts from whatever he gives you ever 5 innings or so (please see Jorge Sosa in 2005).

But all in all, ERA is a simple measurement of how many runs a pitcher allowed per 9 innings. No statistic is more relevant or telling of a starting pitcher’s success.

Whether an opponent scores depends on a lot of things independent of a pitcher’s ability—fielders’ abilities, hitters’ abilities, luck, ballpark, etc. All these things also affect ERA. So ERA is not the best measure of a pitcher’s success, starter or reliever.

There is ERA based on Defense Independent Pitching Stats (DIPS—K, BB, HR allowed), which are a better predictor of a pitcher’s ERA for the following year than actual ERA. Looking at DIPS is a much better way to evaluate a pitcher’s individual abilities than looking at runs or earned runs or WHIP.

What can a pitcher really control besides just strikeouts, walks and whether the hitter hits the ball really hard? He can’t control whether a grounder or a pop up finds a hole or a glove.

Just Run Average is a better measure of a pitcher’s success than ERA. Here’s an article that does a better job than I could to explain why:

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=2753

And here’s an exerpt:

The most glaring example of this problem is that the earned-run rule allows the pitcher to give up runs with impunity after the third out “should have” been recorded. We’ve all seen these kinds of situations. An error allows Michael Tucker to reach with two outs, and Barry Bonds comes up next to deposit one in McCovey Cove. The result: two runs, none earned. That’s nuts. Never mind Tucker’s run; you’re telling me that Bonds wouldn’t have hit his homer leading off the next inning if Tucker had been put out? In this situation, the earned-run rule essentially allows the pitcher to skip Bonds in the lineup, as far as his ERA is concerned.

How many times have you seen a pitcher not give up any hard-hit balls but gives up two or three runs?

Until people change their way of thinking about pitching, it’s going to be difficult to evaluate pitchers. The traditional ways (W-L, ERA) and even some non-traditional ways (WHIP) depend entirely too much on things outside of just a pitcher’s abilities to do the things necessary to help his team get outs and prevent runs. A pitcher may not give up any runs, but may have an awesome defense and should have given up three or four. A pitcher may have given up a ton of earned and unearned runs but wouldn’t have given up any if his outfield could even get to a fly ball.

By KC

January 4, 2007 10:03 AM | Link to this

Fed Up: I think you raise an excellent point. It’s much more difficult nowadays to achieve 300 wins. Even into the 80’s, it wasn’t at all weird to see a team use a 4-man rotation. That can make a big difference in a pitcher’s ability to pile up the wins.

Also, in this age of bullpen specialization… starters come out of games earlier than they used to in many cases. This often means that the bullpen, and not the starter, ultimately controls whether or not the starter gets the win.

In a general sense, I also agree that criteria, other than career totals, needs to be taken more seriously. Ozzie Smith certainly didn’t have impressive offensive numbers, and even if you could add up all the runs he saved with his glove, it still wouldn’t equal the number of runs someone like Jim Rice or Dale Murphy produced with their bats (plus the runs they saved with their gloves, as they were both good outfielders). But should Ozzie be in the Hall? Absolutely!

Should a guy like Dale Murphy - who won 2 MVP’s, numerous gold gloves, hit for a lot of power, and was the only reason for baseball fans to visit Atl-Fulton County Stadium for many years – be in the Hall of Fame? Hell yes! I remember watching Inside the NBA one night, and Charles Barkley randomly brought up the subject and said that if Murphy wasn’t inducted in the Hall of Fame, it would be a tragedy!

I agree wholeheartedly with you FedUp… the popular criteria for Hall of Fame induction might be a little off. I think MLB should do something to address that.

By Shaun

January 4, 2007 10:24 AM | Link to this

KC,

I’m not sure having concrete criterion for HOF induction is a good idea. Having more historians, experts and statisticians voting and less former players and columnists would help. It is now a popularity contest.

If I were a teammate of a great player that I believed should be in, my goal would probably be to get him in over someone who may be slightly more deserving. Historians, experts and statisticians have some distance from the game and can be more objective than players, managers, broadcasters and writers who are around other candidates every day and may have a hard time being objective.

By Lew

January 4, 2007 10:38 AM | Link to this

KC-The problems with the HOF voting is that they let journalists do it. It’s time to change the voting formula and give fans a chance at it. Maybe not as much input as the All Star voting, but we deserve a vote, too. Fans have much more to do with the success of baseball than the writers do, and sometimes we know a lot more than the Journalists (apologies to DOB).

By KC

January 4, 2007 11:05 AM | Link to this

Shaun, I wasn’t advocating a concrete criterion. In fact, that would probably make the problem worse. I’m not so sure it’s always a popularity contest. Murphy was one of the most well know, and best liked stars in the game for many years… yet he won’t get in because his career totals apparently impressive enough.

I think MLB should open up voting to a broader base of voters. If it were up to me, I would institute a combination of 3 voting groups that would each comprise 1/3 of the total points:

1/3 of the vote would be from MLB personnel (former or current… as long as they were in MLB when the candidate played): players, coaches, front office staff, and even umpires would vote… Another 1/3 of the vote would come from writers… and 1/3 from fans. On the fan voting, I would say no online votes. Ballots can only be cast at major league ballparks. That would help to largely neutralize the advantage that players from major market teams would have in fan voting.

I don’t have a problem with popularity having something to do with the voting process. After all, is it not called the “Hall of Fame”? Ozzie Smith is in the Hall because of his fame in baseball… and deservedly so. But again, even if you counted up all the runs he saved (above and beyond a “normal” shortstop), it still wouldn’t equal what a guy like Jim Rice produced day in and day out. So clearly in some cases, it’s not all about career totals. I just wish there were some consistency in that regard so that other deserving players can get their fair shake.

By MBATL

January 4, 2007 11:22 AM | Link to this

I think the writers generally do a pretty good job. It would be hard to have the fans very involved; if you do internet voting like they do for the allstar game, you get ballot stuffing on a massive scale.

Murphy should be in. Probably if he’d have hit 2 more HR he would be. His batting average was pretty mediocre too, but he was pretty much the best player and the best person in the game for a few years. And on horrible teams.

Hard to have concrete criteria, I think. Look at Sutton… never was what you’d call great… just 1 20-win season, a .559 winning percentage, but he did it consistently well, year after year; and then look at Koufax - probably the best to ever throw a ball, but really only 6 years of it and only 165 career wins. Both deserve to be in but you’d have a hard time fitting them under the same hard criteria.

By KC

January 4, 2007 11:39 AM | Link to this

Shaun: You win (on the ERA thing). I don’t have the energy to argue it. lol! =)

By Shaun

January 4, 2007 11:50 AM | Link to this

KC,

I agree. I guess I was wrong to say a popularity contest, although it can be. Too much subjectivity is more of a problem.

I think historians/statisticians/experts should definitely be thrown into the mix of voters. Guys like Bill James and Dan Okrent and Rob Neyer and Society for American Baseball Research members.

I also agree that fans should have influence in who goes into the Hall. That’s more of a problem because it would be hard to keep fans from voting twice and, as you mentioned, it would be difficult to account for large market/large city biases.

There is not a perfect way because everyone has there own opinions on what the Hall is and is not, who belongs in, the criteria, etc. But I think getting as many groups as possible who are passionate about the game would do a lot toward improving the process. And getting more knowledgeable people who aren’t as personally connected with HOF candidates involved, would go a long way towards helping neutralize subjectivity in voting.

By TennesseePaul

January 4, 2007 11:51 AM | Link to this

Historians, experts and statisticians

Just who are these experts? How does one become an expert Hall Of Fame voter? Where do I sign up? Why the need for a professional statistician? Are the statistics that complicated that it’s hard to judge if a career .300+ hitter with 700 homers, and 3500 hits deserves to be in the Hall? Does this mean that the career leader in VORP is now going to be in there because a statistician believes so? I’m against this “experts and statistician” clause. I don’t mind the writers voting. I think the players should have some say. Maybe the fans. Though not 1/3 of the overall vote.

By Carolina Lady

January 4, 2007 12:08 PM | Link to this

Y’all spent an awful lot of time talking about REM last night and I wondered why. We released him last year. You say he has a band now?? Maybe that’s why he hasn’t signed anywhere for this year….

:-)))

Just funnin’!

By Shaun

January 4, 2007 12:22 PM | Link to this

TennesseePaul,

Well, the historians/experts/statisticians that could qualify for HOF voting could be SABR members. You have to pay a nice chunk of change to become a member ($40 or $60) so it’s mostly very hardcore baseball fans. Or it could be anyone who’s been a member for a certain number of years. Or it could be anyone who has published their research in one of SABR’s publications: The Baseball Research Journal or The National Pastime.

There are ways to weed out serious baseball history/research buffs. But I forgot, you loathe anyone who uses empirical evidence over intuition.

By David O'Brien

January 4, 2007 12:30 PM | Link to this

KC, Schultz doesn’t respond because he’s rather anti-social and makes enough money to insulate himself from the barbs and opinions of the unwashed masses.

… kidding, of course. I don’t know why he doesn’t. Probably because he’s a lot smarter than I am.

By Arkansas Hillbilly

January 4, 2007 12:34 PM | Link to this

DOB

Have you heard the Live (Alabama A* Whoopin’) Version of DBT’s “18 wheels of Love”???? The long commentary Hood does before they break into the song itself???? Man, is that some good stuff or what? Chester, the biggest meanest MF-er at R & D Trucking??? I’ve heard that he does it at some of their live shows still, so I was just curious if you’ve ever heard or seen it.

By David O'Brien

January 4, 2007 12:34 PM | Link to this

Berigan, yes, 3 a.m. blogging is for the freaks, while 4 a.m. blogging is for those of us who are up slopping the pigs, cooking a hearty breakfast and beginning another productive, honest day’s work here at the spread.

By MBATL

January 4, 2007 12:36 PM | Link to this

As for fan voting, MLB could get creative and hold a league-wide “Hall of Fame” night at all MLB parks, on the same night. Each team could honor it’s own HOF’ers, or if they didn’t have any… well, come up with something… and paper ballots distributed to fans at those games. So a “one-time shot”. Still, you’re gonna have big-market bias, so it shouldn’t have a tremendous influence, but would be a way to get the fans involved a little.

By snowball's chance

January 4, 2007 12:37 PM | Link to this

DOB and Grinch, You both need to go to theonion.com and send each other a “Your Favorite Band Sucks” t-shirt.

By Arkansas Hillbilly

January 4, 2007 12:39 PM | Link to this

Carolina Lady,

Glad to hear from you. Everybody’s been so grouchy lately. ;P

By David O'Brien

January 4, 2007 12:40 PM | Link to this

dayf, when are the Psychobilly Freakout and Soul Kitchen programs on Album 88? Those I want to check out. Is it vintage soul _ Al Green, Ohio Players, P-Funk, that kind of stuff?

By the way, agree with you on the trades _ just when we’ve resigned ourselves to none happening, I’m afraid I’ll relax and then two big ones will go down. I still am anxious until about 5 p.m. each day about a trade potentially going down….

Oh, and Cake gets overlooked. Love ‘em, especially earlier stuff. How ‘bout Soul Coughing, which was at least a little similar?

By David O'Brien

January 4, 2007 12:43 PM | Link to this

Hillbilly, he didn’t do that at the Detroi show I saw in October, but wish he had. I need to find or download that somewhere.

By MBATL

January 4, 2007 12:49 PM | Link to this

DOB, I can’t even work, I’m so overcome with anticipation of what the topic of your new blog will be (you DID promise a new blog, didn’t you?). It’s easy to be an award-winning journalist when there’s big news to report, but the ability to actually generate news despite the complete lack of subject matter is what separates the men from the boys.

By Arkansas Hillbilly

January 4, 2007 01:00 PM | Link to this

Yeah, you might as well go ahead and just get the album. I know you’re more of a fan of their newer stuff, but this c.d. had some pretty good stuff on it(then again which one doesn’t?). They really get down and rock the house with the grungey versions of Buttholeville, Steve McQueen (With an excerpt of Gimme 3 Steps in the middle of the song), and People Who Died. Take that for what its worth though because I recommend every DBT c.d. as awesome.

By David O'Brien

January 4, 2007 01:04 PM | Link to this

well, MBATL, that settles it: No blog today. It couldn’t possibly live up to that kind of expectation, not on a day when there’s absolutely no new developments to report on the Bravos.

If you greatly reduce expectations and view the next blog as merely a canvas I’d be providing for dialogue and exchange between the Braves/Man in Black blog denizens, then I’ll regurgitate something fitting. But nothing more.

Deal? Seriously, you must lower expectations. I’m not up for anything exceeding serviceable at this point, unless the next half-pot of coffee triggers something entirely unexpected.

By David O'Brien

January 4, 2007 01:11 PM | Link to this

I just realized how the last part of that last sentence could be misconstrued. Uh, sorry ‘bout that. By unexpected, I meant in terms of mental process.

By MBATL

January 4, 2007 01:21 PM | Link to this

DOB, Adam Schefter on NFL.COM writes that the Dolphins should seriously look at Deion Sanders as their next head coach. Now THAT’s the kind of irresponsible reporting I was looking for!

Seriously? I was just expressing empathy… I know it’s dead as a doornail, whatever that is, out there. A blank canvas loads faster, but no big deal at all, to me.

By Shaun

January 4, 2007 01:24 PM | Link to this

O’Brien,

What is your opinion on HOF voting? Should fans vote? If so, how do you keep them from voting twice or control big city/market bias?

What about historians/experts/statisticians? Maybe SABR members or researchers who have published “academic” type baseball research?

By MBATL

January 4, 2007 01:34 PM | Link to this

Something “unexpected.” Ha!

By the way, did you ever hear of a band out of Nashville called Walk the West? The did one great record in, oh, ‘85 or so, great southern rock, then “went country” last I heard (met them a couple of times at the Cotton Club, but lost track when they changed their format). Their first record, I think “self titled” was a killer. Sort of Georgia Satellites meets Marshall Tucker.

By David O'Brien

January 4, 2007 01:42 PM | Link to this

MBATL, I know. I was just kidding, too….

Shaun, all due respect, no, I don’t think fans should vote on the Hall of Fame. It’s funny, here this morning we had some folks complaining that the Hall of Fame has become nothing more than a popularity contest, and then on the other hand there’s folks saying the fans should get a vote. Huh?

I think the Hall has worked relatively well the way it’s been done for a very long time, far better than the other pro-sports Halls of Fame, which are, by comparison, far easier to get in. I think it should be difficult, and it is, as you can tell by the exclusion (so far) of the likes of Andre Dawson and Dale Murphy.

But I’m not going to get into a huge debate on what statistical “criteria” should be, because that’s evolving along with the game itself, and the hope is that folks who spend 10 or more years making a living covering the game are smart and ethical enough to make decisions on who belongs in the hallowed Hall in Cooperstown.

Sorry, but I’m not into the movement that says fans have to vote in everything. They vote for the All-Stars (as they should; the MidSummer Classic is the fan’s game), for the Hank Aaron award (which they shouldn’t; it should be a purely statistical award, as it was originally conceived, and have nothing to do with popularity).

Sure, there are a very large number of fans who could do a great job voting on the Hall, a better job than some of my industry peers who let personal bias or whatever get in the way of their voting. But I think the vast majority of writers do a good job voting, and I think a very large number of fans would vote on every guy they like, especially from their own teams. That’s the nature of being a fan, if you ask me. It’s supposed to be.

But the Hall isn’t supposed to be a popularity contest. Pete Rose belongs there, and I believe Barry Bonds will belong there, based solely on the numbers he produced first half of his career, before his reputation was ruined by steroid allegations. There have been no suspicion of steroid use during his Pittsburgh years and first years with San Francisco, and to me, he was the best player in the game over a five-year period or so.

I absolutely can’t stand the guy, and I think he’s terrible for baseball, and I don’t want him to beat Hank’s record. That said, I think Bonds belongs in the Hall based on his production before his head and upper body became ginormous.

But how many fans outside San Francisco would vote him in?

By John Adcox

January 4, 2007 01:46 PM | Link to this

Wow.

Last night while burning the midnight oil to get a rewrite out in time to meet a deadline, I was watching an episode of the almost always brilliant SCRUBS. This episode happened to feature a cover of one of my favorite songs, Leonard Cohen’s Hallelujah (speaking of songs Cash should have covered, can you imagine his force of nature version?). I got curious, since the singer wasn’t Cohen, and looked to see who had covered it.

My search lead me here, where a kind and obviouslgent has posted just about every cover he could find. Amazing. This Internet thing, it might catch on.

I’d love to meet Cohen some day. I’d say to him, “hey, man. I love your song. Um, what does it mean?”

John

By Shaun

January 4, 2007 01:59 PM | Link to this

O’Brien,

Good points. How do you keep out the fans that wouldn’t take voting seriously or would just vote for their favorite player and nobody else? Maybe you could narrow it down to season ticket holders but that may be problematic.

I do think historian/researcher/statistician types should get a vote—guys like Dan Okrent (if he doesn’t already) and Bill James and John Thorn and Pete Palmer—who have done years of extensive, academic type research on baseball and baseball history but don’t really fit into the media or player/manager/coach category. Those type of guys are probably more qualified than anyone to help determine who goes into the Hall.

By Lew

January 4, 2007 02:16 PM | Link to this

I think I should be in charge of the whole damn thing.

By TennesseePaul

January 4, 2007 02:20 PM | Link to this

Payne: I would strenuously object to HOF voting being solely in the hands of SABR members. I don’t ever want to see a player put in the Hall based on his VORP. No. I think SABR “experts” would be the worst thing for the Hall. The Hall is more than stats, as can be seen this year by the steroid scandal. Something along KC’s line would make more since, though the details would still have to be worked out. The game isn’t only for SABR “experts”. It’s for everyone.

By David O'Brien

January 4, 2007 02:28 PM | Link to this

I agree with Lew.

By TennesseePaul

January 4, 2007 02:30 PM | Link to this

How ‘bout Soul Coughing, which was at least a little similar?

Love this band. Saw them years and years ago. They played at HORDE when Neil Young was headlining. That was a fun show. Spiritualized was there, Soul Coughing, Neil Young, and many many more. I like Doughty’s new stuff, but not as much as Soul Coughing.

By David O'Brien

January 4, 2007 02:35 PM | Link to this

Adcox, agreed on Scrubs (great show), and on Cohen (simply brilliant). You know, it’s funny that Hallelujah is about the ONLY song Cash didn’t cover on his epic Unearthed box set _ have you heard his duet with Joe Strummer on “Redemption Song”? it slays _ and he seemed so perfectly suited to cover it, as you say.

My favorite cover of that song is probably Jeff Buckley’s version. Incredible.

Speaking of Canadian singer/songwriters (Cohen), there’s one of the greats coming to Smith’s Olde Bar soon, Ron Sexsmith. Woefully underappreciated talent, at least in the States.

By David-ATL14

January 4, 2007 02:43 PM | Link to this

No to the fans voting for HOF and no to the eggheads that Shaun mentioned also.

By The Grinch

January 4, 2007 02:56 PM | Link to this

Berigan, you belong in the sixth circle of hell for that link; I totally didn’t see that coming (and it’s still in my head, even though I stopped it before the sound started). As for the 78’s, the vast majority are opera, orchestral medleys and foxtrots, dixieland jazz, etc. My great grandparents weren’t into delta blues, unfortunately, though the aforementioned (especially the foxtrots) are still fun.

DOB, I got my aunt Leonard Cohen’s DVD “I’m Your Man” for Christmas, with U2, Rufus and Martha Wainwright, Nick Cave, Jarvis Crocker, Antony, Beth Orton, etc. I wasn’t sure what to get her since I don’t know my a* from a hole in the ground musically, but she seems to love it so I must have accidentally gotten something right, like 99 monkeys on a keyboard coming up with “Twelfth Night.” :-)

KC, Schultz will respond to you if you send him a polite e-mail.

By jed

January 4, 2007 03:00 PM | Link to this

if you’re gonna pick up one vic album to sample the early years, i’d get West of Rome. if that hooks you, which it will, find Little. but the key is to listen to it late. In the same space you’d listen to a leonard cohen cd. it aint sunny-day music. lemme know wut you think…

By jed

January 4, 2007 03:00 PM | Link to this

if you’re gonna pick up one vic album to sample the early years, i’d get West of Rome. if that hooks you, which it will, find Little. but the key is to listen to it late. In the same space you’d listen to a leonard cohen cd. it aint sunny-day music. lemme know wut you think…

By Shaun

January 4, 2007 03:04 PM | Link to this

TennesseePaul,

You’re putting words into my mouth. When did I ever say only SABR members should vote? I just said researchers/historians/statisticians should have the opportunity to vote because they study baseball in-depth probably more than anyone. SABR is an organization that many researchers/historians/statisticians belong to so that may be the easiest way to determine who falls into that category. But if there is a better way to find researchers/historians/statisticians, I’m all for it.

And besides SABR is not just a statistical organization. It’s more about research in all areas concerning baseball, not just statistics.

http://sabr.org/sabr.cfm?a=cms,c,110,39,156

SABR members are just as qualified as anyone who now votes, perhaps more so since many have done academic type research on a variety of different baseball-related subjects.

http://sabr.org/sabr.cfm?a=com&m=5

By David O'Brien

January 4, 2007 03:04 PM | Link to this

TennPaul: Yeah, Doughty’s solo records are solid, just not as original and hook-filled and great as the Soul Coughing stuff.

Hey, speaking of the mighty Neil Young, I’m listening to a CD by a new, real rootsy-rock group called Matt Mays and El Torpedo, and I’m telling you they’ve got Neil/Crazy Horse influence on their sleeves. Really strong CD, only 9.99 right now as part of the Paste Magazine listening-station promo at Ella Guru (and I’m sure plenty of other local record stores).

Damn good, big guitars, good lyrics. You’d never know they were from Canada, sound like from the South or Southwest. Cover is a drawing of a blonde in a muscle car with a tattoo on her arm.

If you want to give them a listen, download “Travellin’” or “Cocaine Cowgirl” from this CD. Great stuff.

By The Grinch

January 4, 2007 03:07 PM | Link to this

I know I’ll probably get slaughtered for this one too, but I greatly prefer Cohen’s older stuff. Mid-sixties through mid-seventies; spanish guitar background…songs that go well with “McCabe and Mrs. Miller,” and “El Topo;” two of the most underrated westerns ever in my opinion. “Suzanne,” “Bird on a Wire,” “Famous Blue Raincoat,” etc. Though I still like his voice and lyrics, I’m not as into the whole keyboard-polka phase he went through later. Y’all may now nail me on the cross.

By Lew

January 4, 2007 03:10 PM | Link to this

Thank You DOB, for the vote of confidence. If I WERE in charge of the whole damn thing, Murphy would be inducted because he led baseball in HR’s for the decade of the 80’s. HE LED BASEBALL FOR TEN YEARS. That includes more than Mike Schmidt. Tommy John would also be in. If nothing else, his name has gone down in history because of the surgical procedure (not to mention he was good). Bert Blyleven would be in (best curve ever). Jim Kaat (about 36 Gold Gloves AND a bunch of wins). I find it particularly hard to understand why longevity is held against some players. I’ve heard it applied to the case for not inducting Don Sutton and Nolan Ryan, as well as Phil Niekro. The same goes for Jim Bunning’s and Sutton’s lack of 20 win seasons. Makes no sense to me why a player who averages 15 wins per season for over 20 years is not worthy. All of these players had difficulty gaining admission and it shouldn’t have happened. Come to think of it, I’d make a good Commissioner, too. I want to be baseball Csar.

By journalist jimmy smith

January 4, 2007 03:14 PM | Link to this

DOB: “Oh, and Cake gets overlooked. Love ‘em, especially earlier stuff. How ‘bout Soul Coughing, which was at least a little similar?”

is this a pie blog or a cake blog? and how can dob think cake is overlooked with all the talk of flabravesgirl’s delicious red velvet cake and those who have been pining for a suspicious holiday fruitcake? still, journalist considers this a pie blog first, cake second.

any cake that makes dob’s soul cough must be rougher than fruitcake.

By Carolina Lady

January 4, 2007 03:14 PM | Link to this

Hey, Arkansas! Good to see you, too! Seems that everybody’s got the blahs and the blues or something. :-)

Just got back from an eye exam and it’s really hard to see the screen! Think I’ll just find a favorite CD and chill for a while before I have to cook supper. Since I intensely dislike being the subject of unending derision, I’ll keep my music choices to myself! :-))))

By John Adcox

January 4, 2007 03:16 PM | Link to this

Jeff Buckley’s is great, no question. I’m going to go with Rufus Wainright and Allison Crowe, largely just to be contrary, because even Bono’s weird version is great. It’s hard to screw up a terrific song, especially one that is so very evocative of, well, something. Something deep and raw and primal about prayer, love, sex, and the broken, cold holiness of being alive and longing. It’s a great song to play when you’re up way too late, and your thoughts won’t let you sleep.

True that about the Cash box set. If I had a gun to my head and had to pick a favorite Cash cover, Redemption Song might be it. I’m also crazy about his cover of the Gordon Lightfoot song from American IV, which is funny, because despite being a Lightfoot fan, I don’t really care for his version. It always seemed too, well, slick for Lightfoot. Cash’s version is raw, emotional, and heartbreaking.

I don’t know Sexsmith, except that I’ve heard the great Fred Eaglesmith compared to him. I’ll try to catch the show if I can get my wife interested. We’ll buy you a beer for the lead.

Glad to meet another Scrubs fan. That show has an amazing ability to mix the wildly absurd with the heartbreaking in a sneaky way that’s almost not fair. Darned if the Hallelujah didn’t tear me up a little.

By Shaun

January 4, 2007 03:18 PM | Link to this

TennesseePaul,

Why not let SABR members vote (in addition to the folks who vote now not instead of!)?

I can tell you why I believe they should: Because they’ve done more in-depth research in all areas (not just statistics) than any other group of people that I’m aware of. Many of them probably know more details about baseball history than half the people who vote now combined.

By The Grinch

January 4, 2007 03:25 PM | Link to this

Should have said “to” the cross, not “on.” Oops. :-)

By John Adcox

January 4, 2007 03:29 PM | Link to this

Speaking of music, anyone ever listen to John Stewart? The Cash-sound-alike singer/songwriter, not Jon Stewart, the brilliant satirist.

By rammerjammer

January 4, 2007 03:31 PM | Link to this

Interesting stat comparison between Langerhans and Diaz with runners in scoring position…

Diaz, 75 AB, .287 OBP. Langy, 71 AB, .435 OBP.

Langy had 19 walks, Diaz had five. Diaz, perhaps from being more aggressive, had six more RBI though his BA was 55 points lower.

Langy’s OBP with RISP was second only to McCann. Also, in 22 ABs, Pete Orr’s OBP with RISP was .435, and only one strikeout.

By TLJ

January 4, 2007 03:32 PM | Link to this

Just heard on XM radio that Loretta was going to sign with the Astros for one year at 2.5 ml. I was hoping the Braves would pick him for insurance as 2nd base. It really looks like we are going to fill the position internally. I hope KJ is up to the challenge.

By journalist jimmy smith

January 4, 2007 03:33 PM | Link to this

carolina lady listens to zamfir other noted pan flute players … :-) journalist has this on good authority.

By The Grinch

January 4, 2007 03:34 PM | Link to this

Busta Rhymes arrested in New York? Oh, the humanity! When will they stop profiling these poor gangstas? It’s time the gangstas of America got together and do a hip-hop version of “Live Aid,” or “Farm Aid,” or “Hear n’ Aid.” This would improve their image and stop the man from constantly taking their cocaine and firearms, especially at the airport. They didn’t have to stop Busta from beatin’ that man down! He would’ve known when to quit.

By Arkansas Hillbilly

January 4, 2007 03:35 PM | Link to this

On a totally unrelated to anything note, I had to console my wife back from near-tears the other day when I told her Giles was gone. She watched a few games with me this summer and became somewhat of a fan, although I think it had more to do with lusting over some of the players. I’ll probably have to call her down off the ledge if/when Hudson leaves. She thinks he’s the hottest thing to ever pee in front of a pair of tennis shoes. Go Figure….

By Carroll

January 4, 2007 03:40 PM | Link to this

Well we may have lost out on Mark Loretta, Tom Glavine, and many many other FA’s but at least we just brought back Fernando Lunar (the 3rd rate backup catcher from a few years ago). I’m so glad they are worrying about things that actually matter!

By Lew

January 4, 2007 03:45 PM | Link to this

I wouldn’t give up on Langerhans quite yet.

By Arkansas Hillbilly

January 4, 2007 03:49 PM | Link to this

Lew,

Agreed on the longevity issue. I’ve often heard that argument about Nolan Ryan, that the gaudy numbers he put up were due to his long tenure. But there are plenty of pitchers that played for twenty years and still didn’t pile up 300 wins and 5000 K’s. And I understand anybody can pitch a no-hitter on any given day (Jose Jimenez, Bud Smith, Wilson Alvarez) and you can’t automatically stick a player in the Hall for that, but 7 of them????? I can’t remember who it was, but someone on this blog listed their top ten most dominant pitchers of all time (several months back) and left off Ryan because he walked too many batters???? 5,000+ K’s, 300+ wins, 7 no-hitters…..Not Dominant??? Are You Kidding Me????

By David O'Brien

January 4, 2007 03:57 PM | Link to this

Grinch, I agree on Cohen _ love “I’m Your Man,” “New Skin for the Old Ceremony,” those older CDs most of all. But _ BUT _ you of all people would LOVE his 1992 CD, “The Future,” if you don’t have it already. I’m telling you, that was out of character for him, really raw, almost rockin’ at times, with practically punk-rock subject matter. God, what a great record.

Did you watch that Cohen movie? I liked it, made me go out and buy a CD by Teddy Thompson, son of Richmar and Linda Thompson. Great CD, too.

By Carolina Lady

January 4, 2007 04:01 PM | Link to this

Just now and then, jjs………..

By David O'Brien

January 4, 2007 04:05 PM | Link to this

Adcox, very much in agreement on Cash’s cover of Lightfoot. Great stuff. And Rufus Wainwright’s Hallelujah is a close second for me, to Buckley’s.

Speaking of Sexsmith comparison to Fred Eaglesmith, Mr. Eaglesmith will be plying his trade tomorrow night (Friday) at Eddie’s Attic in Decatur. Quite a coincidence.

Might need to attend that show.

By Robert

January 4, 2007 04:07 PM | Link to this

“Oh, and I thin Drivin’ and Cryin’ are still around”

They played Athfest last summer. Awesome set. Kevin Kinney has serious tooth rot and is a lot pudgier than in the Mystery Road days, but they still ROCK

By MBATL

January 4, 2007 04:16 PM | Link to this

Baseball America’s updated view of the Braves prospects here, for those interested.

By The Grinch

January 4, 2007 04:17 PM | Link to this

I’ll check out “The Future;” I don’t have it (though my dad might). Did you see either of the two movies I referrenced? “McCabe…” is Warren Beatty’s opus. He never came close again. Played a professional gambler-turned whorehouse owner in the middle of nowhere. “El Topo” is a long, slow-paced, low budget tour de force. It’s about a 1500 dollar movie with incredible acting, imagery and a Cohen soundtrack. Cult classic; figured it’d be right up your alley. I haven’t watched that DVD yet; I’m about broke at the moment and I’m hoping she’ll loan it to me after she gets done with the initial love-fest. She’s called me and told me it’s fantastic, though; I figured it would be. My mom also has a copy but she won’t loan it to me; thinks I’ll scratch it or something. Oddly enough, both my parents and their siblings are Cohen fanatics, and they all prefer the newer stuff. I’m a dinosaur wherever I go. :-)

By David O'Brien

January 4, 2007 04:20 PM | Link to this

Tooth rot never hurt a rocker’s career. Look at Shane MacGowan of the Pogues (and later the Popes) _ has NO teeth remaining. You’d think with the ungodly, copious amounts of liquor he’s consumed his entire life that it might have fought off some bacteria, but no….

A fine Irishman, that lad. Check him out at:

www.shanemacgowan.com

By John Adcox

January 4, 2007 04:22 PM | Link to this

I’ll be at the Eaglesmith show myself, or for at least part of it, since my missus has other plans. Say hello if you drop by.

By The Grinch

January 4, 2007 04:24 PM | Link to this

Jimmy Smith, I like pan pizza…not an instrument? String cheese?

Hillbilly, I think the knock on Ryan is that over that entire time he never consistantly knew where his fastball was going to wind up. I know that sounds ridiculous considering the end results and I agree with you, but that’s the consensus among the naysayers.

By Shaun

January 4, 2007 04:24 PM | Link to this

Lew,

Nolan Ryan was a HOFer but I also agree that he is perhaps the most overrated player of all time.

He belongs in the category with Blyleven and Gaylord Perry and Sutton and Neikro…and not Walter Johnson, Tom Seaver, Lefty Grove and Warren Spahn…and that’s mostly because of walks.

He never won 20 games and he pitched in an era where you would expect a pitcher considered one of the top 10 in history and pitching 230 innings a year to win 20 games in a season at least once or twice.

Again, Ryan is a Hall of Famer but he’s probably not one of the top 10 pitchers ever.

By Robert

January 4, 2007 04:28 PM | Link to this

The Hall of Fame hasnt quite been degraded to the level of a popularity contest, but campaigning for the Hall of Fame is very much a popularity contest

The thing about the HOF - Yes, overall it has worked well. However, there have been some awful selections.

The problem starts when, in today’s politically correct environment that is so keen on “fairness”, those few bad selections lead to more, because people feel that anyone better than the worst HOFer has to be a HOFer (anything else, they say, isnt fair)

Then you get “maroons” who cant account for position differences, and suddenly any outfielder with numbers better than the most anemic infielder has someone crowing for their induction

There ARE a few players who belong, even tho the stats just dont seem to justify them (the arguement that you just had to see them play is SOMETIMES valid)

However, those are rare exceptions. There are a BUNCH of poor choices (mostly those voted in by McGraw’s cronies - Tinkers Everes and Chance lead the pack, and Hack Wilson as a HOFer is simply a bad joke), some voted in recently (Rizzuto is probably the best example)

There have been a lot of very fine ballplayers. Not all should be HOFers. The biggest arguement against the Murphy, Dawson, Rice, Garvey, Santo, KHernandez, and so on is just the fact that you can name a dozen of em off the cuff and a score or more if you think about it.

I.e. - as good as they were , there’s too many just like em or darn close

The pitchers you mentioned -

Tommy John merits a look due to his being the guinea pig for the success of a surgical procedurte that forever altered the game - far more so than for being a .500 pitcher for a long time. He (like Don Sutton) was a “compiler”

Hershiser - was brilliant for several years, and then decent or even quite ordinary for about two thirds of his career - great guy, sad story of how injury derailed greatness, buit not a HOFer

Jack Morris - would get my vote

Burt Blyleven - best Dutch born starting pitcher of all time, but all in all another guy who was a big time compiler more than anything - His quantities look great in our day and age, but he’s a no in my book

The guy who was brilliant albeit for a fairly brief time (10 and a half years plus parts of 3 and a half more seasons) but who merits induction in my view is Guidry. Of course, that may be biased by the fact that I saw him pitch quite a bit when he was at his best

On the hitter side, get Dick Allen inducted and then we can start to address some of the other guys

By Fed Up

January 4, 2007 04:50 PM | Link to this

The best game I ever saw was the 1991 Game 7 between Smoltz and Morris. It’s too bad we lost. But those guys pitched a stunning game, and I bit my nails to the quick and almost destroyed my TV set when we lost. Morris was an incredible pitcher.

254 wins 186 losses

3.90 career ERA

nearly 2500 Ks.

Morris should be in.

By Lew

January 4, 2007 04:50 PM | Link to this

Shaun-When I’m baseball csar I’m not making you my assistant.

By Lew

January 4, 2007 04:59 PM | Link to this

Robert-There’s finally something we agree on wholeheartedly. Dick Allen was quite possibly the best hitter I ever saw. At the very least, he hit the ball harder than anyone I ever saw. As a kid, growing up in Philadelphia, I saw his entire career there. I saw him hit an inside the park HR and another that bounced over the rail at the 448’ sign at Connie Mack Sadium, in dead centerfield. He does not get the recognition he deserves. That’s for certain.

By rivers

January 4, 2007 05:05 PM | Link to this

Dob, did you see my post yesterday around 5-5:30? Curious as to what you thought about Johnatan byrd.

By dayf

January 4, 2007 05:19 PM | Link to this

DOB: Psychobilly Freakout is on from 8-10pm on Monday, Soul Kitchen is 5-7pm on Saturday. On Step Beyond (ska) is also really good and is on Friday 6-8pm.

I can’t find a link to their program schedule, but Album 88’s website is here. click on the logo, then on programs.

I’m not familiar with Soul Coughing, but I’ll have to check ‘em out.

As far as the HOF voting goes, I don’t understand how in the year of the steroid hysterial panic Dale Murphy isn’t getting more love. Dude’s never taken anything stronger than a Flintstone vitamin.

By the way how did Mark Bradley vote? I read his article defending Big Mac, but he never got around to saying who else he voted for…

By dayf

January 4, 2007 05:25 PM | Link to this

oops - forgot to add that Soul Kitchen is exactly what you think with Al Green, P-Funk, James Brown, etc. Back when I had the Saturday shift I’d listen to it on the way home from work.

Most of their speialty programming is very good, sometimes it’s fun to listen to Nippon Music Champ and hear all the weird Japanese pop songs :)

By David O'Brien

January 4, 2007 05:43 PM | Link to this

Rivers, haven’t heard Jonathan Byrd.

Grinch, gotta put “El Topo” on the must-see list. For some reason, I didn’t even know or remember that Cohen did the soundtrack.

By The Grinch

January 4, 2007 06:05 PM | Link to this

Actually, Cohen didn’t do that soundtrack; at least not all of it. Oops. But the soundtrack’s awesome, and it’s a total classic (filmed in 1970 in the middle of nowhere). Weird, violent, artistic and you’ll impress the heck out of all your eclectic friends when you play it. It was doomed to obscurity, but John Lennon happened upon it and was so impressed he saw that it got wider distribution. No legal DVD version available, so you’ll have to get a ripped one or a VHS. You won’t be dissapointed, though. BTW, just finished Cormac McCarthy’s new play (yes, play) The Sunset Limited. Totally awesome two-man play you can read in about an hour and it’ll knock your socks off.

By ssiscribe

January 4, 2007 06:57 PM | Link to this

Radio sucks, plain and simple. Hoping to get XM hooked up before baseball season begins. Half the time, I drive with the radio off or a CD in.

Grinch, you’re right, bro. Radio in Atlanta may be bad, but radio in Jacksonville is just plain putrid. Music, news, sports, etc. That town is so wanna be, it ain’t even funny. I’m glad they had ‘em a Super Bowl by the banks of the St. Johns; it ain’t ever going back there, that’s for sure.

We had a pretty good sports talk station down in Brunswick I listened to a lot, 790 AM. Had the ESPN lineup, Jim Rome and a good local show in the afternoons. Otherwise, radio down there wasn’t very good. Not saying the A is much better, but there are more choices and you don’t lose stations.

Of course, 680 up here is horrible at night. At 9 p.m., driving to the store in McDonough for beer, listening to the Thrashers on 680, is no different from this time last year, when at 9 p.m. I’d be driving to the store on St. Simons, for beer, listening to the Thrashers. Can’t hear it either way.

Saw the spring schedule come out today. Wow, big three-day weekend with two with the Redbirds followed by a date with the Tigers. The folks at Dark Star already are counting the coin they’ll make on those days. Somebody que up Stacy Q and her annoying act on top of the dugout (she’s easy on the eyes; just wish she had a mute button).

Blog topic: I’ve got a copy of the tentative 2007 schedule on my bulletin board in my office at work. We could look at that (long homestand after the Break is one thing that comes to mind). Of course, the music and food talk is all well and good, too.

And no, I haven’t heard Jonathan Byrd. But I covered Jonathan Byrd in the Masters one year, and he finished tied for eighth. Good guy, in case you’re wondering.

Guess I should go be sociable with the family since I’ll be at Blueland this time tomorrow.

The Scribe abides. Peace and BBQ to all.

—30—

By TheSouthernJackAss

January 4, 2007 07:22 PM | Link to this

Often imitated—Never duplicated!!!…

By ssiscribe

January 4, 2007 07:26 PM | Link to this

Stacy Q? Suzie Q? Now I can’t remember her name. She was nice to look at, though, even if annoying as all the other sound effects they insist on playing at The Evil Empire, aka Dark Star.

Later.

—30—

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

January 4, 2007 07:31 PM | Link to this

What’s up, folks. Haven’t been on since Tuesday due to some computer problems. But, I did want to get in on the debate about pitcher’s stats. I personally think stats matter and do tell a story about a pitcher’s performance but it depends on the stats. I think ERA and WHIP are very important stats for a starter. But, ERA may not necessarily be an indicator for a reliever where holds and opponents batting average are very important. If you see a starter whose opponent’s batting average is .288, you may be alarmed but if his ERA is respectable it just may be a pitcher who allows a lot of baserunners but doesn’t give up a lot of runs. On the other hand, a reliever with a high opponent’s average is a troubling sign because relievers usually come in to stop the bleeding or hold down a lead or a tie.

Now, it has been kind of slow on trade front lately. I was disappointed to see Mark Loretta get signed by the Astros. I think the Braves missed out especially when considering Loretta only signed for $2.5 mil. I would have felt much more comfortable with Loretta at 2B and Kelly Johnson either platooning with him or simply playing at Richmond this year to get acquainted with the position better. I am sure it will work out but just as insurance. I still think the Braves should look at Ronnie Belliard if for no other reason than a late inning defensive replacement like Langerhans will serve in LF.

I still have this feeling that something big is being discussed. It may never come to pass but I think JS is working on a big deal. I also think Andruw could be involved. Will Carroll has mentioned this as well as the Bucco Blog. And while the Bucco Blog may not be the most respected source, Will Carroll apparently is and we know how secretive JS can be and how deals just spring up. I, mean, who saw the Soriano deal coming? Show of hands! What about Betemit to the Dodgers last season? Show of hands.

DOB, I have a couple of questions for you. One, if JS was working on a HUGE deal would he really tell you or give you an indication that he was? Two, what will Cox do if Blanco, Bohn, Salty, and Escobar all have breakout springs? Would such performances make a trade in the spring more plausible? Also, everyone seems to forget about James Jurries. What if he is totally over his injuries and what I think was a mental block from getting the shaft last spring and has another blazing hot spring? What do the Braves do? Would you say it is fair to say the Braves may wait to spring training before making any deals but that one or two will be made?

By Tomahawkin

January 4, 2007 07:33 PM | Link to this

Carroll…Love da 411 on Fernando Lunar…

I wonder Why we didn’t make an aggressive attempt to get Loretta…He’s been one of the most underrated second-baseman/utility infielders in da game

Unless he comes out clownin in spring training, I’m not sold on Kelly Johnson…watching him bat the last 2 years was no fun…

By NYM

January 4, 2007 07:36 PM | Link to this

I read an earlier post that said Nolan Ryan was over-rated? Keep in mind, Here’s a player that for most of his career played for bad teams. Here are some stats: 324 wins/life time ERA 3.19/over 5200 strike outs/61 shut outs/222 complete games/Led the league in strike outs 11 times/ 7…that’s 7 no hitters….I’m sorry but if he’d had played with better teams he’d have many more wins. I don’t think he’s over-rated at all.

By Tomahawkin

January 4, 2007 07:40 PM | Link to this

Stacy Q. was some decent shyt…Beavis and Butthead got me onto that…

D.O.B. with your musical commentary that many people don’t know about…I’m suprised you don’t do a weekly article on the entertainment section on AccessAtlanta…Surely you can get most people to stop supporting all this new commercial pop-tart crap…Like Brooke, All-American Rejects etc…BTW I hope you don’t listen to any of that do you?

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

January 4, 2007 07:46 PM | Link to this

You know, that guy at the Bucco Blog is a piece of work. He says the Pirates are wasting their time with a player with half a mind like LaRoche. Please,assclown!!!!!!!!!! That sorry team could only hope to have a player of LaRoche’s caliber. I don’t why these jerks get the impression LaRoche is a “problem child”. He is far from it. He is nothing like their primadonnas, Duffy and Castillo, who quite frankly have no reason to be. They don’t want LaRoche? Fine! I’ll be laughing my a** off when the Braves are contending for the NL East crown and LaRoche is hitting 40HR 110RBI and .295Avg, while the Pirates attempt to avoid 100 loses. Because in that division that is exactly what they are headed for.

By The Grinch

January 4, 2007 07:50 PM | Link to this

Scribe, you sound like you’re not too awful far from me. My chiropractor’s in Jonesboro. Used to have a best buddy that lived out in McDonough; hung out there a bunch but not in the last 10 or 12 years. “Easy on the eyes but wish she had a mute button.” HAH! Sounds like most of my ex’s.

Robert, we just aquired two free agent utility infielders for less than two million…what would we want with one good one? Don’t you pay attention? :-)

By David O'Brien

January 4, 2007 07:54 PM | Link to this

Actually, Robert (JIB), I think most people thought Wilson Betemit might get traded last year at the deadline. Wasn’t really a surprise at all.

Maybe something’s being discussed, but I’m missing something with the Andruw Jones subject _ why do you and others keep talking about him being traded, when no legit, solid rumors have surfaced in weeks and weeks, when no teams are dropping hints, even off the record, that the Braves are shopping him, and the Braves and Andruw and Andruw’s agent have said repeatedly that they all plan for Andruw to play out his walk year with the Braves?

Maybe he’ll be traded, but to keep pointing to the single source (Carroll) that’s hinted a deal is being discussed, when the hundreds, if not thousands, of others covering the game and blogging about the game, have not offered any gossip or rumor about an Andruw trade since before the winter meetings … I don’t get it. I’d be shocked if Andruw’s not with the Braves when the season starts.

Could a couple of trades happen in spring training involving some others you listed? Of course. But that’s no different than any other spring. Braves made trades in two of the past three springs to get pitching just before camp broke up. They’ll make a move or two if they need to this spring, if they don’t have someone step up to fill roles such as second base or maybe fifth starter. But I think someone will, in both cases. More likely, they’ll get another lefty reliever now or during spring training.

OK, NEW BLOG IS POSTED.

By David O'Brien

January 4, 2007 07:56 PM | Link to this

T-Hawkin’ I don’t even know the artists you’re talking about, or at least I have no idea what they sing, Brooke and All-American Rejects, etc. Don’t care to know, thank you.

And don’t care to spend another 10 or more hours a week doing a music blog. Like this just fine.

By journalist jimmy smith

January 4, 2007 08:19 PM | Link to this

what’s all this talk about langerhans coming in late for defense? he is listed first on the depth chart in left. if mccann’s daddy could work with him maybe he could become a star. the bat was just not there last year like it was at the end of the previous season. maybe he was suffering from injury. this team bragged of two guys ready to play in left field and make their mark on mlb - langerhans and johnson. now, diaz and thorman are “in the mix” in left - woodward, too. lew is right to say don’t write off langerhans just yet.

By berigan

January 4, 2007 09:17 PM | Link to this

Shaun, at 4:24 you said Nolan Ryan never won 20 games in a season. Actually, he won 20 games in back to back seasons, 1973 and 74. (21 and 22 wins respectively)15 short years later, in 1989, a 42 year old Ryan won 16 games, pitched 236 innings(More innings than all but one pitcher in 2006) He also struck out 301 batters that same season. 56 more than the ML leader last year. Careerwise, he also has 1100 more strikeouts than the next on the list(Roger Clemens) His 5386 career innings pitched are the 5th highest in the history of the game. Phil Neikro pitched in 18 more innings. the other 3? All retired 80 or more years ago. Ryan’s 61 career Shutouts are 7th most in the history of the game. He’s not overrated in my book.

By berigan

January 4, 2007 09:50 PM | Link to this

And did I actually hear folks talking up Richie, umm, I mean Dick Allen for the HOF? Didn’t Harry Carey say once about him that his was a million dollar talent with a 10 cent brain?(this was the 70’s) Didn’t he suffer Mickey Rivers/JD. Drew/Fred Lynn-its? Missed every 5th game, didn’t he???

Now Jim Rice, he should be in the hall, 8 100+ RBI seasons (Compared to Allen’s 3 seasons) Andre Dawson had 1591 RBI’s, about 480 more than Dick Allen, good for 29th all time. and he had to play most of his career on terrible knees and on that harder than concrete turf in Montreal. Not saying Dick Allen wasn’t talented…..