Braves

By MGL

December 20, 2006 02:41 PM | Link to this

DOB - Many thanks for all of the extra effort you put in on the blog!! Have a wonderfull Holiday!!

By TheSouthernJackAss

December 20, 2006 02:44 PM | Link to this

Bullshi t!!!…

By AJK

December 20, 2006 02:52 PM | Link to this

DOB: Great post! Thanks! What’s your opinion on who the Braves most covet - Baldalli, Roberts or a bullpen “stud”? I would think Baldelli - seems to have the most upside, is signed long-term cheap (by relative standards), and may fill a gaping hole after 2007. Your thoughts?

By Voice of Reason

December 20, 2006 02:59 PM | Link to this

Merry Christmas DOB and all…

By Nate

December 20, 2006 03:01 PM | Link to this

I hope we get Ray and give up ADDam

By GatorRayFan

December 20, 2006 03:05 PM | Link to this

DOB, I do love your blog. As a Rays fan, as you stated in your three team trade offer between the O’s, Rays, and Braves, trade Baldelli and get only Ray in return? He is under team control for another 5 yrs for only $26 million, which is a bargain and has been stated throughout all of your blogs. For this three team trade to work, LaRoche goes to the O’s, O’s send Ray and Penn to the Braves, Braves send Ray, Davies and Salty for Baldelli.

I have no idea where the SS need for the Rays has come from. We have Reid Brignac (strong AA numbers) and more highly rated than Escobar who will be in AAA this year. It was thought that Brignac would not be able to play SS as grew into his body (move to 3B), but the majority of those concerns have been eliminated after this year’s play. Unless the Rays front office wants to build SS depth through this trade as well.

As for a straight Braves-Rays trade, it would either be James & Salty (we would probably trade him or Navarro for more pitching, although the Rays front office LOVES Navarro) for Baldelli or Davies, Salty, Escobar (trade bait and depth) & another strong pitching prospect (Harrison). I really don’t think the 1st trade is that bad, although it favors the Rays (its close) and I don’t think the 2nd trade favors either team.

The Rays can afford to wait as they will not contend until at least 2008, when Jeff Niemann, Wade Davis, Jacob McGee, Mitch Talbot, and Andy Sonnastine will be able to add top-end depth to the rotation from the minor league system. Can the Braves wait? I think that, along with the outrageous contracts signed this offseason, are the leverage points the Rays are using in discussion with teams when discussing Baldelli

Thanks

By KC

December 20, 2006 03:05 PM | Link to this

DOB: “Rare is the team that wins championships with such a large percentage of its payroll sucked up by so few guys.”

An obviously valid point… HOWEVER:

When you have young impact players like McCann, Francoeur, and James, as well as Matt Diaz and over half over your bullpen, all earning between 300-500k a year. Not to mention thumper like LaRoche “only” making around 3 mill. There are a couple of other bargains here with Atlanta paying only 5-6 million of Renteria’s annual salary, and 6 million to Wickman (who could be earning twice that somewhere in this market).

It should also be noted that while Smoltz is not cheap… he’s still one helluva bargain this year at 8 mill.

With that many young guys and bargains on the team, the top-heavy payroll means far less to the Braves than it would mean to most.

By rammerjammer

December 20, 2006 03:06 PM | Link to this

If the Roberts deal can be done, that looks best to me.

He’s a proven performer, just turned 29, fills two needs (leadoff and 2B) for which we have no good answers.

His production would be an upgrade over Giles, and would help compensate for the diminished performance likely to happen at first base.

By Ron Roberts

December 20, 2006 03:08 PM | Link to this

If it were me, it’d be Baldelli the Braves should covet the most. It puts them in a position where they tell Scott Boras “face it, we’d like to keep your client, but we don’t HAVE to keep your client…so, how much can we agree on?” to keep Andruw in organization he’s grown up in, playing for the manager he admires so much.

But Baldelli works more for what we need now… a leadoff guy and left-fielder who really rounds out the lineup nicely to go with a rotation with a solid top-three pitching rotation and plenty of 4 and 5 starter options plus an already-improved bullpen. This team is already better than the Cardinals, who won it all. I personally think they’re better than the Mets, who should have been the best in the NL last season, and I think they’re more well-rounded in all facets of the game than just about anybody in baseball.

Give this team Baldellli (heck, if you can do it without losing LaRoche, and Schuerholz would be a genius) and then let the Mets have their presumptive key addition, Barry Zito. I’d take our team toe-to-toe with theirs.

By JasonInMaine

December 20, 2006 03:09 PM | Link to this

DOB,

I posted this on the other Blog while you were waiting for your flight. In case you didn’t see it, I am posting it again. If you saw it and chose to not reply; I apologize for posting it again (:

I read part of an article from the LA Times (too lazy to register, so I didn’t read the whole thing) that gives the impression that the Braves and Angles trade possibilities aren’t quite dead. It mentions that if the Angels would have been willing to include Shields before, a deal would have been done.

That being said, what is your best professional guess as to:

A) Will LaRoche be traded? B) Which team (Angles, Pirates, O’s, other) C) Will the Braves get Baldelli (50/50, etc)

Hey, I figured since you were at the airport (fun, huh?), you may not mind answering these annoying questions (: Plus, we may not get to communicate with you for a few days! Merry Christmas and Happy New Year DOB!

Regards,

Jason

By Spider29

December 20, 2006 03:23 PM | Link to this

Ron Roberts, right on! Thanks,DOB, for the new post and all your hard work to keep us Braves junkies informed. Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all.

By kevin

December 20, 2006 03:25 PM | Link to this

fire john s he make dumbtrades he should have kept betemit

By The Grinch

December 20, 2006 03:28 PM | Link to this

James and Salty for Baldelli? You guys are on crack! I BET that’s the deal y’all are discussing; I would too. Thanks for coming over here and posting, though; nice to share info. and opinions.

Jimmy Smith, you’re an evil man.

Dave, thanks for the new blog; you’re a gentleman and a scholar.

By braves fan

December 20, 2006 03:33 PM | Link to this

DOB,

If the Braves stand pat, how do you see the lineup shaping up? Here’s how I’d put it together:

SS Renteria C McCann 3B Chipper CF Andruw 1B LaRoche RF Francouer LF Diaz/Langerhans (platoon) 2B Prado

I know people will say, “McCann can’t hit second, he’s too slow” or whatever. But here’s my argument. Of all the guys on this team, other than Chipper nobody has better plate discipline or handles the stick as well as McCann. And we know Chipper wants to hit third, so he’s not an option. McCann struck out 54 times in 442 at bats with a .388 OBP. Those numbers are comparable to Chipper, whom people regard as a high on base guy who doesn’t strike out too much. All those numbers as a 22 year old, with a lot on his plate as the catcher. I think his hitting attributes outweigh his negatives as a slow runner. Plus, unless the Braves plan on bunting the leadoff hitter over when he gets on base, you might as well have someone who is good with the stick getting extra at bats. I like Aybar, Prado, KJ, Diaz and Langerhans, but no matter which two of them gets to start at 2B and LF, none of them are on base machines, to be wasting the at bats that a leadoff hitter and #2 guy get during a season. What happens when McCann rests on every fifth day? That’s the beauty of my plan. On those days you can try out a Prado or a Langerhans, and use the bunt as a way of sparking offense that you lose by having McCann sitting out. Plus the lineup can be static at #1 and 3-6, adding consistency for all the big hitters. I mean who can argue with getting McCann a few extra at bats during a game and subsequently the season? I love seeing him hit, so let’s see it more often.

By Mac

December 20, 2006 03:38 PM | Link to this

Why would the Braves want Castillo? He’s pointless. Career line:

.258/.301/.388

He’s vastly overrated as a defender; he’s not bad, but he’s not Mark Lemke, and he’s no better of a hitter than Lemke was. Prado would be just as good — actually, he was slightly better in his very limited time last year.

By Peter

December 20, 2006 03:39 PM | Link to this

St. Louis winning the WS last season should really speak to the Braves. The very best that we could have done was win the wild card (I know teams have won the title in that position) in a league that had a down year.

I don’t see trading any more young players especially a LH high avg. bat. I think that someday we have to bite the bullet and start to rebuild.

I also can’t see trading Adam with two LH’s who run the ball low and away. Losing the defense weakens those guys. Two potential starters, Hampton and Davies (if he starts) and a question these days of how long Smoltz can stay healthy Is Hudson going to be the AL Hudson or the NL Hudson? How many games out of Chipper this year?

If it’s somebody that’ll put us over the top I’d say yes. I just don’t think we’re there yet.

Did you see that jacket that Bocifus wears on Monday Night Football. So tacky I almost like it!

By braves fan

December 20, 2006 03:39 PM | Link to this

GatorRayFan,

I don’t mean to sound confrontational, but if the Braves were to trade Chuck James to you, it’d have to be straight up for Rocco Baldelli. There wouldn’t be any Chuck James +1 scenarios. He’s better than any pitcher you have not named Scott Kazmir. Why would the Braves give him away for Baldelli? While I like Baldelli, he’s a leadoff/#2 hitter. That hardly equates to a #2-#3 starter, especially one with such a proven track record as James. He’s not a “potential” pitcher, he’s a “proven” pitcher. He’s never had any regression while working his way up. But I don’t even like a James straight up for Baldelli deal. We need James way more than we do Baldelli.

By eware

December 20, 2006 03:42 PM | Link to this

Whatever happened to J. Shiell? He was dominant…in little league. Is he still in the organization?

DOB, bought the Shooter Jennings album at Tower yesterday. For the ratio of price (50 cents) to number of quality songs, it’s probably the best album I’ve ever bought.

Also, I bought the Trews’ album “Den of Thieves”. It’s pretty awesome, even for a band from Canada. They now rank third on my list of favorite Canadians (behind Pete Orr and Dan Aykroyd).

While you’re looking for Shiell, see if you can find what happened to Aykroyd too.

By Chris McAndrew

December 20, 2006 03:42 PM | Link to this

KC—Great post!

I agree the Braves are filled with huge bargains on this team from LaRoche to Smoltz to Andruw to Wick to McCann and many many others…too many to list.

So my big concern now is that if payroll doesn’t go up and in the next couple of years these bargain players (McCann, LaRoche, Andruw, Franceour, Diaz and others) start searching to get paid what they’re worth in this market then who are the Braves going to have left in a few years to build a championship team around??

These players won’t stay bargains forever. And with current market prices the Braves won’t be able to keep the players they’ve built up in their farm system around.

A few years from now McCann may demand $10-15 million or more, Franceour may demand $10 million or more, LaRoche may demand $8 million or more, if Chuck James continues to improve he may demand $10-15 million in another 5 years.

So in order to have those kinds of top-notch players you are going to have to spend to keep them around. And if the Braves payroll stays at $80 million then they’ll have to either continue to be top-heavy with their payroll to keep these players around or they’ll have to dump all of those players and build the team around far cheaper players.

So even when Hudson’s contract and Smoltz’s and Chipper’s all run out then they might not only lose those players but also several other great players in order to better balance out the payroll.

The Braves future looks very dark indeed if payroll doesn’t start increasing in the near future.

By MBATL

December 20, 2006 03:49 PM | Link to this

The thing that made the Braves a great franchise is pitching.

From ‘91 to ‘02 (and excluding strike-shortened ‘94), the Braves led the NL in ERA 9 times, finished 2nd once (96) and third once (91). We went to 5 WS in 10 years.

Since then, we’ve finished 9th, 1st, 6th, and 10th (in ‘06), in ERA, and not gotten past the divisional series. (And last year, of course, no postseason at all.)

Unless you’ve got a huge payroll, the best chance to compete for a championship is pitching. If we have a chance to go back to that kind of baseball, I say do it.

By David O'Brien

December 20, 2006 03:54 PM | Link to this

KC, you took my hopeful spin _ the Cards won a World Series ith a similarly top-heavy payroll _ and somehow made it sound as if I were being negative. I wasn’t. Or at least wasn’t trying to be….

Eware, can you believe how cheap some of the stuff was out there yesterday? I bought a few more at $3 apiece….

First person to see Rocky Balboa needs to give us a review. It’s actually getting pretty good reviews, even from the NY Times….

Oh, and next time, jackball, I expect you to be first in line to post a reply, waiting by your keyboard to respond IMMEDIATELY after I post. Got it? Good

By Justin

December 20, 2006 03:57 PM | Link to this

Braves Fan,

Check out Aybar’s numbers, and you will find that he is a high OBP type of hitter.

By Braves fan

December 20, 2006 03:59 PM | Link to this

Why does Roberts feel like Quilvio Veras to me?

By Robert (2)

December 20, 2006 04:05 PM | Link to this

It doesn’t matter what we do because Bobby Cox is so bad. 14 straight division titles and one WS proves he is a terrible manager. Blah, Blah Blah. Fire Bobby Cox. Blah, Blah, Blah.

(Sorry, for some reason I miss how angry the real Robert makes me)

By Billy (TBFnB)

December 20, 2006 04:11 PM | Link to this

Yet anohter slow news day….I thought for sure the Braves would’ve had another move done by now. I’m not seeing LaRoach getting traded. No one is going to give up what he is worth.

Is it possible the Braves have to trade LaRoach becasue of payroll?

By tvsportscaster

December 20, 2006 04:12 PM | Link to this

DOB in regards to your thoughts about a possible Angels trade and wanting Figgins and Kotchman along with a pitcher. Why in the world would they want Kotchman, when they already have Kotchman on the team, his name is Scott Thorman. I find hard to believe they would want a carbon copy player. The more likely scenario if LaRoche were traded would to be sign a righthanded hitting first baseman, someone like a Craig Wilson to platoon with Thorman.

By The Grinch

December 20, 2006 04:12 PM | Link to this

Peter, you think Hank’s jacket looks tacky? Hell, I’d wear that every day, man! Especially if I was an undercover cop.

Braves fan; like the idea of your 3:33 post. It’ll never happen, though. This team is WAY too traditional.

By David O'Brien

December 20, 2006 04:14 PM | Link to this

THIS JUST IN: Braves just signed Chris Woodward to a one-year deal. Seriously.

By mr baseball

December 20, 2006 04:15 PM | Link to this

Why is everyone so hot on Baldelli as a leadoff hitter? Even with a .300+ BA last year, his OBP was .339 with 14 BBs in 92 games. He has never walked more than 30 times in a season and his career OBP is under .330. HE IS NOT A LEADOFF HITTER.

The Braves have already traded too many good young arms away with pretty much nothing left to show for it other than Hudson. Given the possibility that either Hampton or Smoltz will break down at some point during the season, the Braves don’t need to be making any more trades involving young starting pitchers, and Saltalamacchia is too valuable an asset to deal unless the return is overwhelming.

Renteria will be perfectly fine as a leadoff hitter (.361 OBP last year) and Chipper will be exceptional as a No. 2 hitter behind him. He won’t have to change his approach at the plate any, and his 100-RBI streak has ended already, so he probably won’t complain as much as Giles did about hitting leadoff. If Jeter can hit 2nd, so can Chipper.

The Braves DO NOT need to make a trade for the sole purpose of getting a “leadoff” hitter. They won a World Series without one, and never won a playoff series with Furcal in the lineup.

With the exception of a 2nd lefty in the bullpen, a veteran bat off the bench(Eduardo Perez?) and maybe a stop gap at 2B (Graffanino?), the Braves roster as currently situated is more than adequate for a playoff run.

The previous attempts by the GM to trade for a leadoff have been abject failures: Grissom & Justice for Lofton; Klesko & Boone for Sanders & Veras. Trading power for speed or a #5-6 hittter for a “leadoff” hitter is not the way to go.

Fill in the little holes holes on the current roster and don’t create bigger ones with ill-conceived trades.

By KC

December 20, 2006 04:16 PM | Link to this

Thanks, Chris, glad you liked it. Here it is again:

DOB: “Rare is the team that wins championships with such a large percentage of its payroll sucked up by so few guys.”

An obviously valid point… HOWEVER:

When you have young impact players like McCann, Francoeur, and James, as well as Matt Diaz and over half over your bullpen, all earning between 300-500k a year. Not to mention thumper like LaRoche “only” making around 3 mill. There are a couple of other bargains here with Atlanta paying only 5-6 million of Renteria’s annual salary, and 6 million to Wickman (who could be earning twice that somewhere in this market).

It should also be noted that while Smoltz is not cheap… he’s still one helluva bargain this year at 8 mill.

With that many young guys and bargains on the team, the top-heavy payroll means far less to the Braves than it would mean to most.

By reverend run

December 20, 2006 04:17 PM | Link to this

great post as always. thanks! this is real sports writing and journalism!

By ernesto

December 20, 2006 04:17 PM | Link to this

The possibility of the Mets signing Zito doesn’t really scare me - maybe it’s b/c we teed off on him a few years ago when we faced him. Let’s get that payroll up NY.

Get Baldelli, keep Adam, game on.

By berigan

December 20, 2006 04:18 PM | Link to this

Bless you Mr. O’Brien, for the new, rocket fast blog! Best Christmas gift you could give us baseball junkies. Well, til the fix we will need in 2 days! ;)

By berigan

December 20, 2006 04:18 PM | Link to this

This just in: Dave, who he????

By Carolina Gent

December 20, 2006 04:19 PM | Link to this

DOBeatWriter— Many many thanks for your continued efforts to keep us informed. Your offseason dedication is unmatched! Now take some time off and enjoy the holiday!! The same for all of the other regular (and irregular) bloggers out there.

By Clint Ellison

December 20, 2006 04:21 PM | Link to this

What a shame that such a great organization as the Braves of the last 15 years is sliding toward the mediocrity of the 1970s and 1980s. The H of it is that the main impediment to progress is the infernal buyout that has taken over a year and is still not a done deal. It’s great to talk about trades and how this guy would do this and that guy would do that for us, but until the lawyers finish you can fuhgetaboutit. I’m an old guy, so I know that in December, everyone is an optimist. See me next July. Will Chipper be healthy? Will Wickman’s arm hold up at an advanced age? Will Andruw’s body fat kill his performance? Will Smoltz’s arm hold up again? Can Hampton come back? Does Soriano still have a fastball? See me in July.

By rammerjammer

December 20, 2006 04:23 PM | Link to this

Chris Woodward. The poor man’s Chone Figgins. The really, really, really poor man’s Chone Figgins.

What’s next? “Braves General Manager John Schuerholz today traded a nickel for five pennies in a move designed to give Atlanta more options when making exact change.”

By JohnGTfan

December 20, 2006 04:28 PM | Link to this

Chris Woodward…are you serious? JS could have signed me for less…I’m certain I would eventually get a hit in the majors.

By TheSouthernJackAss

December 20, 2006 04:28 PM | Link to this

Well everyone I feel I should share why me and stinky is so angry all the time. As stinky said we both served(in prison) and we both had cushy jobs doing KP duty chopping up the grade F meat. One day we was doing this at around 8 one dark and stormy night for the next days breakfast. Then all of the sudden like the lights went out!!! We never were the most accurate of choppers to begin with but that sad, sad night, the big blades were too accurate and both stinky and me went from bulls to steers!!!! So, take pity on these 2 poor poor creatures that are more Rupaul than men. And thats why we waste time on a baseball blog talking about what badasses we are and insulting everyone

By tvsportscaster

December 20, 2006 04:29 PM | Link to this

Woodward is a good pickup that can play multiple positions, including shortstop and anything that might deem Pete Orr and Tony Pena, Jr. unnecessary is fine by me.

By Fed Up

December 20, 2006 04:30 PM | Link to this

Woodward! He batted .216 last year in 83 games with 1 stolen base. How does that compare him to Chone Figgins at any economic level?

By JohnGTfan

December 20, 2006 04:31 PM | Link to this

guess JS liked Woodwards 216 BA and 1 SB last year

By berigan

December 20, 2006 04:31 PM | Link to this

RammerJammer, What’s next? “Braves General Manager John Schuerholz today traded a nickel for five pennies in a move designed to give Atlanta more options when making exact change.”

Now that’s funny!!!!

By Braves20

December 20, 2006 04:32 PM | Link to this

Chris Woodward!!!! Be still my heart. God I loved it when he played with the Mets, you could always count on 0-4 with him in the line-up. This has got to be a prelude to deal with Aybar, Orr, Johnson and Prado around. Let’s hope it’s Baldelli with a middle infielder going the Rays way. They have fallen out of love with Cantu. With a bullpen that could create six inning games next year, we don’t need more help there but Baldelli would be a good fit even if it meant LaRoche going the other way - that is the only circumstance under which I would trade a 32-90 guy.

By journalist jimmy smith

December 20, 2006 04:32 PM | Link to this

scouting report on chris woodward. oh boy, journalist can hardly wait.

“Woodward has quick hands and a wiry, athletic body that allowed him to show some pop in the past. Last season, however, he was an offensive as well as defensive liability who was easily overmatched, particularly by a high fastball. His bat speed dropped noticeably and he stopped making contact. Woodward has some quickness but lacks range in the field, and he makes far too many errors on routine plays. Woodward can steal a base, but he appears tentative at times.”

By David O'Brien

December 20, 2006 04:33 PM | Link to this

Rammerjammer, that was quite humorous.

Carolina Gent, wish I could. But as we currently have no backup Braves writer, I’ll be writing a Chris Woodward story for the next part of the afternoon.

Just so you guys know, they got him as a utility guy. ANOTHER utility guy, yes.

Schuerholz just said Prado and Kelly J currently would compete for 2B job, with “Aybar in the mix.” whatever that means.

But he also made it clear they’re still working on things, trades. of course gave no indication what they might be

gotta write a bit for the print edition

By JohnGTfan

December 20, 2006 04:34 PM | Link to this

so Woodward’s offseason surgery isn’t a concern???

By berigan

December 20, 2006 04:36 PM | Link to this

Tvsportscaster, how, oh how is a guy that hit .216 last year an improvement over Pete Orr or Tony Pena Jr.????? Just checked ESPN(TO see who this guy was) and saw he made $825,000 last year! God, I hope we didn’t waste that kind of money on him. What, was Pete Orr going to make too much in 2007? Sigh!!!!!!!!!!!!

By Drew

December 20, 2006 04:36 PM | Link to this

The Woodward signing is very interesting. Is it a major league contract, or a minor league with a ST invitation? We already have the utility infielders we need, so unless he is going to start, this makes very little sense. I guess this could mean Woodward is the super-utility and Aybar could start. DOB, thoughts?

By MGL

December 20, 2006 04:38 PM | Link to this

Woodward made $825K with the Mets last year. BA took a big dip last year - Hurt? He can play all infield positions.

By The Grinch

December 20, 2006 04:39 PM | Link to this

If this dude is as exciting as Sturtze…really, though, if we’re going to be throwing a half a mil here, a mil there to players we don’t need who might not even make the roster, wtf? I can only imagine they’re being aquired to use in a trade package for players we DO need, or that they’re going to be replacements for current players we’re fixing to trade in the same scenario. That’s GOT to be the case.

By berigan

December 20, 2006 04:40 PM | Link to this

JohnGTfan, no, the surgery isn’t a concern, Chris Woodward being in a braves uniform on the other hand.

By CJ2

December 20, 2006 04:40 PM | Link to this

Chris Woodward???

He couldn’t start on my freaking church softball team.

By RC

December 20, 2006 04:45 PM | Link to this

It’s a stretch to even call Woodward a “utility” player, much less “super-utility”. I think if there was ever a definition of the term “sub-utility”, this guy would be it.

That being said, maybe we’ll pull a Matt Diaz with him and getting him LASIK or something so that he repeats his 2002 season.

By Lew

December 20, 2006 04:45 PM | Link to this

Unless, like Drew says, that this means Aybard will start a 2nd and Woodward will be the jack of all trades, this one doesn’t make much sense at all. They didn’t get him for his defense. I checked Baseball Reference and he has LOTS of errors in few attempts. Like Grinch says, this makes less sense than Sturtze. I sure hope someone knows something here that’s not apparent to me.

By The Grinch

December 20, 2006 04:48 PM | Link to this

The dude hit .216 and ONE homer last year AND had off-season surgury? Man, why didn’t we just go ahead and sign Bullwinkle the Moose, I’m sure he’s looking for work. At this rate, we might as well have re-signed Pratt. No, on second thought I’d prefer Bullwinkle.

By JohnGTfan

December 20, 2006 04:50 PM | Link to this

berigan great line…unreal, more utility players…dare I ask JS…WHAT NEXT? I hate to sound like I’m losing hope or faith…but come on. I’ve said before, and I’ll say again, I like our team right now (MINUS PETE ORR). But if there is any change…get Baldelli here for this year, and prepare for the probably Andruw departure. If that isn’t done, let’s just leave the team alone.

By Lew

December 20, 2006 04:54 PM | Link to this

Hey Rocky-Watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat.

By JOURNALIST jimmy smith

December 20, 2006 04:59 PM | Link to this

dob, is this journalist not considered a backup braves writer by now? all dob need do is give jimmy smith the secret-probation access code to the ajc computer and a story will be filed immediately while dob enjoys family and friends. in this story, jimmy smith will use the newly acquired tool of transition.

this journalist has did all this journalist knows how to do to get a shot at the big-time. with the departure of guy curtright, a door should be opened for jimmy smith- unless there is some discrimination going on here at the ajc. what’s the matter with hiring jimmy smith? is it because jimmy smith is ugandan? and how many ugandans are now on staff at the paper? oh, yeah … jim wooten. still, can’t have too many ugandans writing for the paper.

oh, well … maybe scribe will give jimmy smith this journalist’s first break. and where is scribe today?

now, this is the best red velvet cake ever! the pies are also delicious! amazing how well they did in shipment! thank you unidentified blogger friend and baker extraordinaire!

if aybar is “in the mix” one wonders if betemit would have been in the mix or would have been the starting second baseman. oh, too big for second base. nevermind.

By tvsportscaster

December 20, 2006 04:59 PM | Link to this

bergan, Pete Orr and Tony Pena, Jr. didn’t exactly set the world on fire last year either. Woodward was injured most of last season, so perhaps he can be given a pass for his average last year. He hit .285 in 2005. In addition, he gives you a back up at First Base, for when and if LaRoche is traded.

By The Grinch

December 20, 2006 05:03 PM | Link to this

That’s IT, Lew! JS knows how bad we want Baldelli so we can chant “Rocky,” but since we can’t afford him we’re going after Rocky the squirrell as the closest approximation. After every Braves loss, he can grab the sideline reporter’s mic and say “And now here’s something we hope you’ll really like” and they can cut to cartoons. BRILLIANT! Drink Guiness responsibly.

By MSC Braves

December 20, 2006 05:04 PM | Link to this

The best move the Braves could make is to sell the team to an owner who will invest money into the team! Give me a break! I don’t want them to go Cubbies on the free agent market, but $80M a year for a team that has been a consistent winner for 14 years? Unbelievable! We don’t have the Ken Oberfell, Terry Forester, Rick Camp, Bruce Benedict and Juan Berringer’s of the world to sign anymore.

By MGL

December 20, 2006 05:06 PM | Link to this

Maybe we got Woodward to play only in May. Last May AVG .333, OBP .429. Has to be good in this somewhere ….

By Head Coach

December 20, 2006 05:07 PM | Link to this

Chris who? Yea , exactly. Woodward is a career backup cannonfodder infielder , nothing more than insurance in case somebody gets hurt or if the Braves fail to get a real two bagger in trade. My take on the Horam for Soriano trade is it was more about not paying horacio’s larger contract after arbitration than improving the bullpen. This trade I am proposing will never happen , never. It takes to much creativity and makes far to much sense. Laroche , Davies , Diaz and another pitcher( Cormier and or lerew ) for Ervin Santana , Erick Aybar , Kendry Morales and Nick Adenhart. Santana would give the Braves five quality starters , Aybar could play 2B and he is a switchhitter with eyepopping minor league stats who can fly , not to mention he is willy’s little bro. Morales is also a switchhitter and a first baseman , he could compete with Thorman. Adenhart is a top righthanded pitching prospect who would only sweeten the trade. The angels get the big bat and glove they covet in Laroche , Davies is an adequate fifth starter who would take santana’s spot in the angels rotation and Daiz would replace the retired Tim Salmon at DH because we all know Diaz can flat out rake. His .327 batting average for 2006 and career average of .305 proves that. Its a crazy trade , I know , but it would actually improve both teams. I’m out and before you attempt to savage my idea , come up with a better one. Merry christmas to all and a happy and succesfull 2007 Braves season.

By ssiscribe

December 20, 2006 05:16 PM | Link to this

Greetings, y’all, and Merry Christmas!

JJS, Scribe is reading letters to Santa, editing opinion columns and looking over religion stories. No backup scribe here, at least until the weekend rolls around. Transition never takes a break.

Another utility infielder? Guarantee you something’s going to happen between now and the start of camp. Maybe it’ll be after the backup beat person starts so DOB can enjoy the holidays and some KU hoops (who is the new backup beat guy, by the way, and are they also backing up on the Thrashers’ beat?).

Back to it, gang. Later.

—30—

By KC

December 20, 2006 05:18 PM | Link to this

KC DID NOT MAKE THE 4:16 POST.

Anytime you see “here it is again”. You can pretty much assume that it’s SouthernJackA$s using my screen name and repeating something I previously wrote. He apparently finds that incredibly amusing. Some people are easily entertained. I had a dog who like to lick his own rear end. He found that very amusing. Similar mentality.

DOB:

The Braves signed Chris Woodward. Okay, I just have one question… WHY?

By KC

December 20, 2006 05:20 PM | Link to this

When will the “Chris Woodward Bobblehead night” be at Turner Field next season?

By Don

December 20, 2006 05:21 PM | Link to this

This just in - Re: Woodward

More garbage in!

Are there any more washed up and never was players out there we can try to add to the team? And to think we wouldn’t add a good second baseman after letting Giles go. Whew, am I happy now!

Man, am I impressed with this off season!

By mariner

December 20, 2006 05:21 PM | Link to this

Signing Woodward for $850,000 plus possible incentives makes me wonder why we let Darly Ward sign with the Cubs for $1,000,500? Ward had much more value to the team and was coming off a great year in a reserve role.

By MS

December 20, 2006 05:25 PM | Link to this

I don’t think Woodward is a bad signing. He’s a veteran who could leadoff in a pinch, (.355/.394 there although in only 31 AB’s), can play EVERY position except P & C, and is a good defender with plus range and a good arm.

Now, he is by NO means an answer at 2B. But I think he is just what we need to have a little veteran stability there if none of the young guys step up or need to be eased in to the position. He also seems like a natural fit to backup Laroche against “tough” lefties, as well as being able to fill in ANYWHERE on the field late in games or when someone needs a day off.

By berigan

December 20, 2006 05:28 PM | Link to this

Grinch, sounds like someone is drinking Guiness irresponsibly already! ;)

By rainman

December 20, 2006 05:31 PM | Link to this

if they are so worried about the payrole why give this guy 850K when he is no better than orr this makes no since.I will say guys I love johnson at second if his d holds up but JS needs to get Roco or Figgins to play left for that to work because learning a new spot and hitting leadoff is a lot to put on a guy.

By mariner

December 20, 2006 05:36 PM | Link to this

maybe he’ll be the right handed hitter in a first base platoon with thorman. maybe it’s back-up if laroache is traded. don’t know, but the mets fans reaction to the deal gives me some hope. seems like they liked him on the team and he was a contributer when healthy.

By KC

December 20, 2006 05:38 PM | Link to this

Chris McAndrew:

You are correct. The concern is for the future. The Braves are fine right now. The top-heavy payroll issue really isn’t an issue, because we’ve got so many bargains on the other end. But what happens a few years from now if payroll isn’t increased? That’s a valid fear.

But we have no idea how things will shape up when new ownership takes over, so no need to worry about 3 or 4 years down the road just yet.

Again, just so you know, that wasn’t me who responded to you in the 4:16 post.

By ArkyTech

December 20, 2006 05:48 PM | Link to this

Poor Willie Harris.

By Ricardo

December 20, 2006 05:55 PM | Link to this

DOB - I think this is a minor deal (duh), but is this just to get more options at second? Is this a guaranteed deal? Happy Holidays to all!

By MBATL

December 20, 2006 05:55 PM | Link to this

Braves have virtually no backup at SS. Orr has never really played there, and neither has Aybar.

If nothing else, the Woodward signing gives us a lot more experience, and a little better bat, than Tony Pena Jr behind Edgar, at a critical positon.

I have a feeling there’s more to this signing than that, but if not, it’s not a bad deal for a backup SS.

By Historian

December 20, 2006 05:56 PM | Link to this

One subject, Adam LaRoche statistics. He’s maturing in the big leagues, and it’s obvious from last year that he will hit a ton during his prime years. Please, would the Braves please send LaRoche to the Yankees. I think George would gladly part with a 38-40 year player to replace him. I know Bobby likes those old players.

If someone can find the bunker door, please lock it.

By Jeff R

December 20, 2006 05:57 PM | Link to this

LaRouche for anything other than quality pitching makes no sense, whether that’s major league level or top minor league talent. Braves can find a way to patch the hole at 2B. Management will figure out something for the lead off slot. 2B and lead off aren’t pivitol to winning pennants; pitching is…

By mariner

December 20, 2006 06:11 PM | Link to this

maybe he’ll be the right handed hitter in a first base platoon with thorman. maybe it’s back-up if laroache is traded. don’t know, but the mets fans reaction to the deal gives me some hope. seems like they liked him on the team and he was a contributer when healthy.

By MBATL

December 20, 2006 06:19 PM | Link to this

Simpson and Sciambi replace Rathbun and Torborg on Fox SS. Man, I think Simpson is really good … don’t know the other guy … but that’s good news to me.

By David O'Brien

December 20, 2006 06:26 PM | Link to this

Here’s story I just wrote for the paper, which will be posted on our site shortly:

By DAVID O’BRIEN dobrien@ajc.com

While bigger trade rumors continued to swirl, the Braves took time Wednesday to add a smaller piece by signing free-agent utility man Chris Woodward after two seasons with the New York Mets.

He got a one-year, $850,000 contract and could earn up to an additional $525,000 in performance bonuses, though the full amount would require 500 plate appearances.

General manager John Schuerholz said the versatile veteran would fill a bench role and not be a candidate for the second-base job that was vacated when the Braves didn’t offer Marcus Giles a contract. Woodward, 30, figures to be the primary backup to shortstop Edgar Renteria.

After batting .283 in 2005, Woodward hit .216 with three homers in 222 at-bats for the Mets in 2006, playing much of the season with a torn labrum in his left (non-throwing) shoulder. He had surgery Oct. 23 and will be ready for spring training, according to Schuerholz.

“We’ve been working on a lot of things you might characterize as bigger [than this signing],” Schuerholz said. “But Chris will play an important role for us. Our thing has always been to define guys that fit in and make the fabric of the team stronger. He fits that.”

A former Toronto starting shortstop, Woodward had 20 homers and 90 RBIs in 661 at-bats in 2002-03, including three homers in one game.

He holds a .247 career average with 32 homers in 515 games in the majors, and the Braves have seen him at his best: .306 in 20 games vs. Atlanta, and .360 with three homers in nine at Turner Field.

Besides home stadiums in Toronto and New York, the only other park where he’s hit three homers is Baltimore (three in 28 games).

He’s hit just .242 with seven homers and a .300 on-base percentage over the past three seasons, but the Braves like his versatility _ he’s played every position but catcher and pitcher _ and having a veteran on the bench.

When asked if utility man Pete Orr might be out of a job, Schuerholz said only that they now have players to choose from. That includes Willy Aybar, the former Dodgers prospect who’s penciled in as a backup second baseman and third baseman.

Aybar could spell Chipper Jones more frequently in an effort to keep the veteran third baseman healthy.

“I still think Kelly Johnson and Prado will battle for second base, and Aybar’s in the mix,” Schuerholz said. “But Chris has really established himself as a capable guy in that [utility] role.”

The Braves, still trying to add pitching and perhaps a leadoff hitter, have had recent trade discussions with Pittsburgh, Tampa Bay, the Los Angeles Angels and New York Yankees. Several are ongoing.

First baseman Adam LaRoche has been part of many discussions _ not because the Braves are eager to move the 32-homer, 90-RBI man, but because he’s so attractive to to other teams and because the Braves believe Scott Thorman would be at least a serviceable replacement.

By David O'Brien

December 20, 2006 06:33 PM | Link to this

Oh, and add Baltimore to that list of teams they’ve been talking to. I left that one out.

By Chop Chop

December 20, 2006 06:38 PM | Link to this

Sciambi’s a hell of a lot better than Rathbun. I hope the Hawks kick him off their broadcasts, too. Rathbun must die.

By Negativity Don't Pull You Through

December 20, 2006 06:38 PM | Link to this

Why don’t we just put Woodward in the bullpen? KC absolutely loves anyone there.

By David O'Brien

December 20, 2006 06:38 PM | Link to this

“I’d prefer Bullwinkle”… Grinch comes through yet again.

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

December 20, 2006 06:41 PM | Link to this

I join the ranks of those confused by the signing of Chris Wooward. I thought we already had two utility guys, Kelly Johnson and Wily Aybar. The only thing I can figure is that JS is stockpiling as many players as he can (both position and pitchers) to use in making some deals.

Now, it is trade time. I think a trade for Baldelli would be great but the Rays are on crack and asking way too much. Hell, I think Davies, Salty, and Escobar is a damn good package and probably a lot more than anyone else is offering for Baldelli. So, as I stated yesterday, I think JS should contact the Rockies about Brad Hawpe (who by the way hit better on the road than at Coors) or Willy Taveras, the Blue Jays about Alex Rios, the White Sox about Scott Posednik, the Reds about Ryan Freel, the Cubs about Jacque Jones and see what the Angles would want for Figgins that didn’t include LaRoche (which honestly probably means no deal). If I were JS and the Angels weren’t willing to give up some pitching then I would ask for Juan Rivera as well. The Braves could throw in Salty or Escobar and call it a deal.

I’m starting to get cold feet about trading LaRoche. If the O’s would give up both Ray and Penn and the Braves held onto both of them, maybe. The Braves could sign a guy like Eduardo Perez to platoon with Thorman and hope that Thorman is ready to be an everyday 1B in 2008.

Also, another way to get Baldelli would be to bring in the Cubs. See if the Cubs will give up Dempster or Sean Marshall (since both are expendable at this point) to send to the Rays along with Davies and the Braves could send Diaz to the Cubs and a mid level prospect of some kind (if necessary). However, the Braves would only send Salty OR Escobar along with Davies. The Rays would then get their two major league experienced pitchers and a high level prospect.

By DonCoburleone

December 20, 2006 06:43 PM | Link to this

Chris Woodward signing = WTF???

Does JS really think that this guy can play a reliable utility role? The only thing I can think, the ONLY thing, is that John Scheurholz was reading this blog a week ago and saw my post begging and pleading that we sign a cheap 3B/utility guy who can backup Chipper. That way, Aybar can play 2B full-time AND lead off… Yep, that’s what happened, JS is clearly using my advice…

By geauxbraves2000

December 20, 2006 06:43 PM | Link to this

If this double posts, I apologize:

Anyhow, I think LaRoche is more valuable to the Braves right now more than anyone available in a trade. Of course teams covet him, like DOB said, 32HR 90RBI, and he is CHEAP. He doesn’t cost a team $18M. Who wouldn’t want his services.

On a side note, our gas went up 11 cents today, and I know Boras is somehow involved.

Geaux Braves!!

By Carolina Lady

December 20, 2006 06:52 PM | Link to this

Woodward? Ok, they can sign me to a one-year contract, $250,000 flat. I’ve got a great pair of heels that will look just great with the uniform. Need to find a cobbler to put cleats on them and I’m good to go! :-)) (Where did I put that glove….I know it’s around here somewhere…..)

By JC FROM UT

December 20, 2006 06:54 PM | Link to this

This might sound crazy but the signing of Woody could be a pre-curser to a deal involving LaRoache. Woodward was used by the Mets as a right hand hitting 1st baseman in 2005. Maaybe JS and BC figure on using the same way with Thorman. Also like someone else wrote, there is no one to backup Renteria. I know there is T.Pena but he has no bat.

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

December 20, 2006 06:55 PM | Link to this

It sounds like JS is concentrating on upgrading LF. If the Cubs are intent on trading Jacque Jones and having Felix Pie play CF (which more than a few people believes he needs another year in the minors) then the Braves could make a deal to get Jones and trade Diaz and a prospect perhaps. Of course, I would love to have Jones but I would like someone whom I know will be here for at least the next three or four years (Rios, Figgins, Baldelli, and Hawpe). Maybe the Braves could trade Escobar and Salty to the Angels for Figgins and throw in Diaz or Langerhans. It would be nice if the Angels bit at that deal because it would allow the Braves to keep LaRoche and not have to trade any pitching.

By DonCoburleone

December 20, 2006 06:57 PM | Link to this

DOB, it seems to me that JS is not that high on Aybar… Why not? I don’t understand it. Why make that trade with the Dodgers last year for Aybar and Baez? Did he really think Baez was the piece we were missing to make a run late (and I mean LATE) last season? Did he think (which would have been a real lack of foresight on his part) that he would be able to re-sign Baez in the offseason? Cuz otherwise, why the he!! did we trade for Aybar if all JS thought he could ever be is a poor man’s Wilson Betemit? Aybar should be the starting second baseman next year and bat leadoff, his OBP is insane!

By crimedogrules

December 20, 2006 06:59 PM | Link to this

Woodward!!

Yee-haw there is the piece we have been missing. Its World Series time!!! Start pouring the champagne!!!

PS Im being sarcastic

By Bill

December 20, 2006 07:05 PM | Link to this

JS signed Woodward so he could help steal the Mets’ signs.

By Don't worry be happy

December 20, 2006 07:18 PM | Link to this

I’m willing to give Schuerholz the benefit of the doubt on Woodward. It wasn’t that long ago he put together a curious collection of retreads, has beens and never weres who turned out to be the best bullpen in the league. I don’t know if he’s smart or lucky and don’t care if the Braves win.

By matt

December 20, 2006 07:30 PM | Link to this

i think these are good trades first trade andrew to the angles for ervin santana and figgins(maybe another arm)then seeing u got ervin trade chuck james and either salty or escobar for rocco, then trade adam loarche for melky for gonzo(the 3 team deal) you would have a stacked young really good defensive outfield and and young coming up ace and figgins would fill the 2nd base gap

What do all you guys think?????????

By The Grinch

December 20, 2006 07:38 PM | Link to this

Aarrghh! Mechanic bills! This WOULD happen to me at Christmas time. Actually, Berigan, I’m sober tonight. That’s both the good and the bad news. :-)

CL, when you join the team you can start your clubhouse clean-up by banning gambling. With the old maid tournaments removed Chipper will be able to concentrate more and have a breakout season. And I bet even in pumps you can beat Pratt to first…but not Wicky to the post-game buffet.

By matt

December 20, 2006 07:41 PM | Link to this

first trade andrew jones to the angles for ervin santana and figgins(maybe another prospects) then trade chuck james and who ever for rocco B then trade Adam Loarche for melky(the 3 team deal) see you first would have a young stacked for defensive outfield then a ace of the future and ervin would def be better than chuck and i love chuck but ervin is def better trust me

So what do you people think out there (like it or hate it)

By LA Brave

December 20, 2006 07:53 PM | Link to this

Honestly, I haven’t played baseball since high school (and I wasn’t that good) and I could probably hit .190 or so and I know I could steal at least 2 bases…Don’t they have people in the system…oh well, forget it this is a ridiculous thing to be writing about (.216, 1 sb - blah)…rammerjammer, that was the funniest thing on this blog in a long time — until the Woodward signing

By 3Pitch

December 20, 2006 08:24 PM | Link to this

If the Braves do indeed acquire Chris Ray from the O’s, I can’t see them flipping him to the Rays in any deal for Baldelli. After all, ‘07 may be Wickman’s last year, and Ray will be needed in the closer role.

Anyway, I like Melky Cabrera just about as well, and he is only 22. Hopefully, he could be acquired somehow in a separate deal. Plus, the current asking price for Baldelli is just too high. It is better to pass than make a one sided trade.

They keep mentioning Salty’s name in the Baldelli discussions. His value is down due to an off year, but I would not trade him…at least, not now. He is a potential future super star. Let’s hope it is with the Braves.

By wannabe rammerjammer

December 20, 2006 08:37 PM | Link to this

soooo when are we going to get a player instead of putting together 5 player to compete for one position?????????

By JasonInMaine

December 20, 2006 08:45 PM | Link to this

Is it possible that any of the 627 people fighting for a middle infielder/utility role will be traded?

By The Grinch

December 20, 2006 08:46 PM | Link to this

I hear ya, wannabe rammerjammer; the guy who wins the starting second spot might be the victor by virtue of hitting .240. The guy winning the “Super-utility” role will be the next best, etc. But don’t worry, Pete orr and “Upside” Aybar are “in the mix.” What could go wrong?

By Navigator

December 20, 2006 08:47 PM | Link to this

Hey Carolina Lady, don’t settle for $250,000. Remember the joke about $1,000,000, don’t sell yourself short. They even made a movie about that joke, I think the location was Vegas.

By GatorRayFan

December 20, 2006 08:56 PM | Link to this

I appreciate the feedback. Hopefully, you realize that we feel the same way about the Davies, Salty and Escobar trade from the Rays side. Realize, that since fans know their players and minor league prospects much better than other teams, fans will have unrealistic expectations and value their prospects much higher than others. So, just like I value Niemann and Shields very high, you value Davies and James in the same fashion.

Davies is not at all a proven entity, Salty had an awful year (yet, a strong finish) and Escobar had a subpar year with a good AFL showing, though scouts think he will be good. For the Rays to trade Baldelli, in a market where Juan Pierre gets 5 yrs $45 million, the Rays will want a premium. James is good, though he does have a high FB/GB ratio, which may be an issue in the AL East.

At the end of the day, it goes back to the last bit of my post, the Rays do not have to make the trade, as their window for competition will be possibly 2008, realistically 2009-2011. There is no rush, whereas, the Braves with an aging Chipper, one and done Andrew, and more limited payroll structure to work within than before, need to make the perfect trade - A trade that provides for success today and tomorrow while also managing payroll flexibility as well.

I agree that you may end up paying a premium, but that is what happens when you need to do something and another entity has more flexibility from a timing perspective (i.e. supply and demand, buy/sell stocks, etc…)

This a great blog and it brings back memories of watching the Braves on TBS with my Grandpa back in the late 70’s and early 80’s (Biff Pocoroba, Glenn Hubbard, Bob Horner, etc…) Some of my best memories in life.

Thanks - Brad

By clvclv

December 20, 2006 09:00 PM | Link to this

For this three team trade to work, LaRoche goes to the O’s, O’s send Ray and Penn to the Braves, Braves send Ray, Davies and Salty for Baldelli.

Afraid you’re dreaming there. Do you people honestly think you’re going to rape everyone like you did the Mets??? There’s a reason no one trades with Tampa Bay, and this is it. You’d think you were negotiating with Scott Borass.

By Ron Roberts

December 20, 2006 09:06 PM | Link to this

Guys, think outside the box….

…signing Woodward makes a Kelly Jounson and/or Willie Aybar(young with tremendous upside) a potential trade piece now, too.

Besides, he’s got quality MLB experience, moreso than Aybar or Johnson or Pratt, for that matter, and certainly more than Prado. He strengthens the bench.

By Alan

December 20, 2006 09:11 PM | Link to this

Relax, everyone. The Woodward signing can’t possibly be a precursor to anything. He’s a good utility guy, versatile, good speed, can bunt and he hits the long ball occasionally. And he’s always hit well against the Braves. Is 850K a lot of money? Yeah, but in this crazy marketplace, it’s actually not bad. If my memory serves me correctly, the Braves gave Todd Pratt 800K last year to back up McCann. So in ‘07 they’ll pay 50K more for a much more versatile and valuable (and younger by 7 or 8 years) player. And they’ll undoubtedly pay Brayan Pena the league minimum to back up McCann. Now, if in the next few days or weeks or months, the Braves trade LaRoche (which I hope they don’t do, but I have a feeling they will), it will have absolutely nothing to do with their signing of Woodward. Woodward has been a good major league player for years - first with the Blue Jays - he was their starting SS for a while - then with the Mets. He reminds me a lot of Miguel Cairo (another ex-Met whom I suspect makes a lot more money than Woodward). I think Woodward’s a good addition, plus he’s a subtraction from the Mets. Not as dramatic a subtraction as Glavine would have been, but I’ll take it.

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

December 20, 2006 09:17 PM | Link to this

I honestly think the Braves should make a offer to the Rockies for Brad Hawpe. They could offer Salty, Escobar, and Davies. The Rockies may bite because they could see as Salty as the future 1B or C. Escobar would be perfect at SS since Barmes doesn’t appear to be the answer and Davies gives them another good young pitcher. I definitely think the Blue Jays would be interested. If either or one of those two teams show interest, it may spur the Devil Rays into motion and cause them to want to go ahead with the deal and quit all their posturing.

By John Adcox

December 20, 2006 09:18 PM | Link to this

Am I the only one who sees at least SOME upside to the Woodward signing? Before, our primary backup at short was Tony Freakin’ Pena, Jr. Woodward may not have much stick, but he’s got more than lil’ Tony. Plus, the dude can play all four infield spots, conceivably offering a right-handed bat to spell LaRoche or Thorman at first in a pinch. Orr’s not a short stop by any stretch, and Aybar doesn’t seem to play much second. Seems to me this gives the Braves some nice options for defense. Unless y’all see something I don’t. I can’t imagine he’s penciled in as starter, but as a back up shortstop that can also play all across the infield, he’s got some value. Seems like a good move to me.

By The Grinch

December 20, 2006 09:33 PM | Link to this

Take it easy, Rays person. Appreciate the input, and thanks for not being a choad like 99% of the Mets fans that come on here. Man, I wish we had Bob Horner back now. Time for some grub.

By Brooklyn Braves Brawler

December 20, 2006 09:38 PM | Link to this

To be quite honest, I was okay with Pena being the backup behind Edgar. This Woodward thing makes no sense. We still have no bench power and a buch of singles hitters and middle INF’s. If JS want some speed in the short term then pick up former Brave, Damon Hollins who is FA after the Rays let him go. The Rays had to make room for Delmon Young and BJ Upton who is making the OF transition. Stick Hollins in LF and start working Diaz at 1B

MY two cents

By Brooklyn Braves Brawler

December 20, 2006 09:57 PM | Link to this

I love Diaz but I acknowledge the fact that he sucks as LF. He’s a hit machine and to me, he’s a better fit as a 3 hole hitter than Chipper is. If the Braves were in the American league Matt would play everyday as a DH.

I’m not a LaRouce fan and I think he may get traded. If he does then I like Thorman and Diaz platooning at 1B.

I like Langerhans as player but he can’t hit his weight, bring in Hollins who is legit SB threat and now you got something. He is no worse at the top of the lineup than what we have now. Put Langerhans in a package with Larouche, and Orr/Johnson to the Angels for Figgins and Kotchmann.

By Troy

December 20, 2006 09:58 PM | Link to this

I gotta say the Woodward siging was kinda puzzling, and it seems as though that money may have been better spent on a veteran arm in the pen, but whatever at least it finally gives us something to blog about rather than Baldelli or Laroche :)

By Wayne in Utah

December 20, 2006 10:10 PM | Link to this

Greatest thing about getting Woodward, we now have another “Woody” Woodward to play shortstop (backup, of course). Now I am dating myself.

C Woodward is a decent utility guy, and neither Orr or Aybar are passable at SS, whereas Woodward can play almost anywhere (KC can we put him in the bullpen!!)

I don’t think this deal is anything but stating that we need ONE guy who can play all 3 inf positions, so we only have to carry one middle inf backup, and use Johnson or Aybar either as the 2B or as Chippers backup.

I say let’s trade LaRoche, Salty, Escobar, James and Davies for Roy Oswalt and Chris Burke. (talk about pulling one from the old anal cavity, huh!!)

By Troy

December 20, 2006 10:11 PM | Link to this

If the braves wanted a utility guy why didn’t they go after Miguel Cairo he probably could have been had for about the same price and he is probably a better player right?

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

December 20, 2006 10:16 PM | Link to this

Ron, I don’t necessarily see Aybar or Johnson getting traded but I do think JS is stockpiling all these players to make some deals. Look at the pen. Yes, we need the depth in case of injury, but we have more than enough arms right now. Another lefty would be nice but I am not sure how necessry it is.

I definitely think a leadoff hitter is needed and so does JS and Cox no matter what they say publicly. How they go about getting one is tricky. Why I think Baldelli would be perfect here, the Rays are wanting way too much. I wonder if Salty and Escobar and maybe Devine as a throw in would be enough to get Figgins? I don’t know. I really believe JS has a plan and every move is leading to another one. I think this is true of picking up Woodward.

By David O'Brien

December 20, 2006 10:18 PM | Link to this

“On a side note, our gas went up 11 cents today, and I know Boras is somehow involved.” _ Geauxbraves

Trust me, Geauxbraves, if Boras read that, or if one of his minions brought it to his attention _ and trust me, that’s not far fetched _ then he got a laught out of it. Guaranteed. Great stuff.

By Beauvighn

December 20, 2006 10:22 PM | Link to this

It seems to me JS sr. has made a nice little opportunity for JS jr. to jump on the 2nd base job. Is daddy taking care of JR. by trading Giles and dealing for a corpse. I have attended my last Braves game. this is worse than little league where the coaches son always play. I hope mama and papa scherholz enjoy watching Jr. embarrass himself in the big leagues

By David O'Brien

December 20, 2006 10:23 PM | Link to this

Scribe, regarding our 5:16 post: Carroll R., and yes, backing up Thrashers as well.

By Troy

December 20, 2006 10:24 PM | Link to this

Don’t everyone assume that since we sign Woodward, that all of the sudden GM’s will be tearing up our phone lines for trades, I mean Pete Orr has virtually no trade value even as a throw in.

By David O'Brien

December 20, 2006 10:40 PM | Link to this

Folks, as a couple here have already pointed out _ Woodward gives the Braves a shortstop backup who can also play ANY of the other infield positions, plus the outfield if needed. Far more versatile than Orr, and only making about $350,000 or so more than Orr, who I’d guess will be traded for whatever.

Not a big deal, and Woodward did hit over .280 in 2005. Has Orr ever hit three homers in a game (I don’t care if it was 2002, Woodward did it) or 20 homers and 90 RBIs in less than 700 ABs over two seasons? I’m just saying, he’s a veteran, he’s cheap (relatively) and, as much as I’d have preferred Ward, too, Woodward does give you a lot of defensive versatility.

I could see Woodward and Aybar being the two backup infielders, but first base with LaRoche’s situation is still undecided. If it’s Thorman, Woodward does give you a bit of experience as a backup there, too.

Hey, not saying anyone should get excited about this deal _ not at all. It’s pretty boring, not the least bit exciting, etc. But it’s also certainly not going to make the Braves anything but perhaps a little better.

Just FYI, Woodward got hurt early last season and kept playing. Somebody with the Braves likes that a lot in a player. And I’m told that somebody (Cox) has liked Woodward a long time.

One more thing _ and again, I’m not suggesting anyone should get excited about this trade _ Woodward hit .300 (18-for-60) with five doubles, a homer and 11 RBIs in his first 25 games last season. About the time he got hurt, I believe it was, he started skidding and hit .185 with five doubles, two homers and 14 RBIs in 162 at-bats the rest fo the way.

By David O'Brien

December 20, 2006 10:41 PM | Link to this

meant to say, about this SIGNING, not trade….

By wannabe rammerjammer

December 20, 2006 10:42 PM | Link to this

IS THIS TRUELY ANDREW JONES’S LAST YEAR??

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

December 20, 2006 10:42 PM | Link to this

Brooklyn Braves Brawler, you could be onto something. Diaz at 1B was briefly mentioned last year and is a very viable option. How about this scenario. The Braves trade LaRoche to the O’s for Penn and Ray. The Braves then flip Ray, Escobar, and Davies for Baldelli. Baldelli’s arrival makes Langerhans expendable. The Braves then send Langerhans and a mid-level prospect to the Cubs for Sean Marshall. Marshall gives the Braves a second lefty in the pen and a guy who can start since he started almost the entire season for the Cubs last year. The Cubs could be willing to deal him because they have an abundance of pitching now and obviously don’t feel he is good enough for the rotation since they spent almost $70 mil on Lilly and Marquis. And they wonder why they can’t get to the WS. Langerhans would give the Cubs a solid 4th or 5th outfielder who could come in as a defensive replacement with the likes of Soriano and Cliff Floyd roaming around. Living so close to Chicago I saw Marshall pitch quite a bit. He is still learning but he can be brilliant and looked better as the season went on.

Then, of course, Diaz and Thorman can platoon at 1st. Aybar/Johnson can man 2B. Woodward serves as the utility guy and primary backup to Renteria. Blanco, Bohn, and Jurries can fight it out for the fift spot on the bench.

By ssiscribe

December 20, 2006 10:43 PM | Link to this

DOB:

Good for Carroll. She was on the beat when I was ducking my head in from time to time on the Bravos in 1999 and 2000. Always liked her writing, from her coverage of Tech in her pre-Braves beat days to her current Gwinnett stuff. She’ll do very well and will give you a welcomed breather from time to time.

Now, college basketball (using the JJS transition): Watching the alma mater on the tube, which is losing by 35 with 6:45 to go. But when you’re on TV only two or three times a year, you watch, no matter how bad it gets (as you can tell, I didn’t go to KU).

-30—

By wannabe rammerjammer

December 20, 2006 10:43 PM | Link to this

WE SHOULD SPEND SMART SO WE CAN KEEP A. JONES

By Wayne in Utah

December 20, 2006 10:52 PM | Link to this

Here is my two cents worth: LaRoche for Chris Ray and Hayden Penn. Then offer either Escobar or Salty along with Davies and either Villareal or Cormier for Baldelli.

Are we able to afford Mark Loretta? If so, then Aybar or K Johnson are expendable.

By journalist jimmy smith

December 20, 2006 10:55 PM | Link to this

carroll rogers instead of jimmy smith? oh, the humanity! and when will carroll arrive? well, journalist jimmy smith will continue to practice here on the blog. now, baseball … “September 4, 1971: In Los Angeles, the Reds lose to the Dodgers, 2–1, and almost lose SS Woody Woodward. A 10-pound sack of flour dropped from a passing airplane, explodes 15 feet from where Woodward is positioned in the 9th inning.”

can see wicky having a pizza delivered that way.

By Billy (TBFnB)

December 20, 2006 10:56 PM | Link to this

Not such a slow news day….wow…I’m underwhelmed with C. Woodard. Right when the discussion evolves from the current trades and on to another tangent…thats when the deal will happen.

g’night blog wolrd

By Chris Woodward

December 20, 2006 10:57 PM | Link to this

Braves fans I will make you forget Giles. Just give me a chance.

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

December 20, 2006 11:01 PM | Link to this

Just thinking out loud here, but Melkey Cabrerra still could be had. I read today that any chances of a deal with the Pirates are fading becuase they can trade straight up and the Braves aren’t willing to give up LaRoche just for Cabrerra. Anyway, the Braves offer Davies and prospect for Cabrerra. The Yanks may go for it because Davies would give them depth and insurance for their rotation since its just a little bit brittle. The Braves still make the deal with O’s and the Cubs. However, the Braves would keep Ray and Penn and the Braves would have the toughest 7-9 inning bullpen in baseball.

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

December 20, 2006 11:06 PM | Link to this

Wayne, I like your deal and it is one the Rays would accept. I would say Davies, Escobar, and Cormier for Baldelli. Penn could take the fifth spot in the rotation or a Sean Marshall if my proposed trade to the Cubs was made. That would give Penn a bit more seasoning. However, I think I would keep Johnson and Aybar because Loretta would likely only be signed for a year and Woodward is only signed for a year. If you trade those guys then what do you do for 2008?

By flbravesgirl

December 20, 2006 11:14 PM | Link to this

jimmy, I laughed out loud at the line about Wicky’s pizza. Can’t y’all picture the pizza box with a little parachute on it?

Grinch, got your email (you come across much differently in that medium). I’m not going anywhere for Christmas so I’ll be waiting to hear how the baking goes.

Chris Woodward? OK, I’ve heard the name but …??? At this point I’m not really expecting any signings to get excited over.

By Brooklyn Braves Brawler

December 20, 2006 11:18 PM | Link to this

I took a lot of heat for bashing LaRouche this past season despite his numbers. He is average defensively, most of his HR’s were solo shots, and he is slow as molasses in the winter time. Some players I just don’t like. His numbers make him valuable to other teams and I think you have to capitalize on that.

IMO- I think Matt Diaz should be playing everyday but, the problem is that he is liability defensively in LF. Next to McCann, Diaz is the best hitter on the team. He dosen’t hit for a ton of power but he hits the gaps, get’s timely base hits and draws walks. He extends rallies rather than kill them like Adam does.

If you work Matt at first to platoon with Thorman and get a real speedster to bat leadoff for cheap (like a Hollins) or, let Kelly Johnson bat at the top.
KJ has pretty good speed for a white guy! I don’t discriminate. Leadoff guys don’t always have to be brothas. I just want my Braves to be as dominant as possible.

(For the record, I’m African-American.)

By superman

December 20, 2006 11:20 PM | Link to this

ive got an idea bring mark lemke back for second and ron gant in right

By superman

December 20, 2006 11:24 PM | Link to this

or instead of gant we can get deion sanders to play right i mean all he is doing is those crappy nfl network broadcasts

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

December 20, 2006 11:30 PM | Link to this

Well, Brooklyn Braves Brawler, Hollins is out of the question (not that I really think he would be an option). He is going to Japan. Just read it on rotoworld.com. I think if it had to come to Johnson/Aybar leading off they could do it. But, I think the Baldelli deal could get done or a similar deal to get a leadoff hitter. I honestly think that Baldelli or Figgins will be in a Braves’ uniform on opening day. I, also, would give it 80/20 that Adam LaRoche is not still a Brave by the end of this calendar year. I think the O’s will make that deal for LaRoche but JS wants to sure up some other deals first, whether they be trades or signings.

By Brooklyn Braves Brawler

December 20, 2006 11:46 PM | Link to this

Thanks for the update on Hollins. He’s in a long line of guys that we gave up on than in hidsight we realized that he wan’t a bad player (also see Gary Mathews Jr. and Mark Derosa).

I am still not over the Derosa thing. Wouldn’t he be great at the top of the lineup right now?

By Wayne in Utah

December 20, 2006 11:53 PM | Link to this

Robert(JITB)

I like Baldelli better than Figgins, as Fig is fast, but with a lower OBP. Baldelli just SOUNDS like a player!!

Also, while I would love to get Gonzalez, I would HAVE to have Duffy in the deal. Sure, we could throw in a pitcher (Cormier/Villareal/Paronto, etc). Personally, I suspect with Startup/Harrison we could probably get away with 1 lefty. What really intrigues me is Chris Ray and Hayden Penn. Those guys throw heat, are young, and potentially could be a 2-3 starter and closer for years to come.

Take care, gotta get up early tomorrow.

Dave I feel for you guy, as the news is so infrequent, and you gotta keep us all entertained in the gaps! You da man!

By Brooklyn Braves Brawler

December 20, 2006 11:55 PM | Link to this

If Thorman or Diaz don’t work at first, do we make a run at Craig Wilson or Erubial Durazo as FA?

Just a thought

By TheSouthernJackAss

December 20, 2006 11:58 PM | Link to this

KC—You don’t rate being derided by TheSouthernJackAss—my rants are reserved for the most vile a*******holes—but you’re workin’ on it!!!…PeckerCheese!…

By Wayne in Utah

December 21, 2006 12:07 AM | Link to this

Brawler

I too hated to see Mark DeRosa go, but I beg to differ, as he is not a proto leadoff hitter. I liked his sure hands at SS and 2B when he was here, although he didn’t have a lot of range.

I suspect we have seen the end of Orr. Also, if we could afford Mark Loretta, then we could unload Aybar or package him and a righty bullpen guy for a lefty bullpen guy. Also, I wonder about guys like K Johnson and Diaz sharing 1B with Thorman. K Johnson could be the strong lefty bat off the bench and spell Chipper once a week at 3B too. He could be key for us next year, if his elbow is healed.

I also expect Devine to start to come into his own, as the pressure is taken off to immediately become a closer.

(PS: I am not African American, and I still think most of us white guys can’t run, although when I was young, I could motor!)

:-)

By Wayne in Utah

December 21, 2006 12:12 AM | Link to this

Brawler I like Craig Wilson, but only as a part timer. I suspect Diaz is the same sort, good for 300-400 AB’s, but his magic might be diminished when exposed over longer periods of play (I hope I am wrong here)

I hope our man Jurries has the same type of spring he had last year. He might fit in well in a platoon role.

By Brooklyn Braves Brawler

December 21, 2006 12:43 AM | Link to this

Derosa was such a good athlete, he could have played LF better than any of the current options we have there now. Hell,I would take him over any of the 2B’s we have now.

With the Braves’s payroll limits, speed and arms are the premium. Praying for 3R Hr’s are just not realistic with the team currently constituted. The Braves are going to have to manufacture and steal cheap runs to be successful. You need smart heady ball players to make that happen and that is why I suspect LaRouche is on his way out. in the playoffs, runs are so hard to come by. Walks, steals, and timely late inning hits along with great middle relief win post season series nowadays.

By TheSouthernJackAss

December 21, 2006 12:44 AM | Link to this

this journalist has did all this journalist knows how to do to get a shot at the big-time—a door should be opened for jimmy smith—I must say that I have to agree with jimmy smith on this one—no one has sucked-up, brown-nosed, kissed-a$s, or been the special friend & pet monkey of DOB more than good ol’ jimmy smith!…why jimmy followed in the footsteps of good ol’ DOB so damned closely that if DOB had to make a sudden, unexpected stop ol’ jimmy’s head would slide so far up DOB’s a$shole that jimmy could taste whatever DOB had for breakfast that day! Yes, jimmy, damnit you deserve to be DOB’s replacement, can’t think of anyone more suited for the job, neither of you have a woman, or any life whatsoever outside of this blog, so it should make for a seamless transition!!!…

Also I see another case of JackAss envy at 4:28 P.M…wonder which gutless moron that could have been???…

By N8

December 21, 2006 01:06 AM | Link to this

DOB

As far as Woodward NOT being a sexy acquistion. On the surface you may be right. But ask yourself if these stats would’ve made you excited for this (unnamed for now) player.

2004: 367 AB’s, 10 HR, 42 RBI, .215 BA

2005: 47 AB’s, 1 HR, 1 RBI, .064 BA

Who is the above player???

Scott Spiezio, who was acquired by STL before last seaon for a similar roll as Woodward will have. Here are his stats for 2006:

276 AB’s, 13 HR’s, 52 RBI’S, .272 BA

Is there ANY chance we EVERY get that from Pete Orr?? Not likely, IMO.

Woodward is one of those “under the radar” December pickups that seems like NOTHING, that will payoff at some point. The guy has MARK LEMKE written all over him. Scrappy Gamer.

I like the pickup. These are the kind of guys that THRIVE under Bobby. Well done JS.

By mr baseball

December 21, 2006 01:23 AM | Link to this

As a relative newcomer to this blog, it has become evident that history, facts and reality play absolutely no role in most of the posts. The vast majority of trades proposed are nonsensical from the perspective of one or both teams, and the fixation on some players like Baldelli & Figgins borders on obsession.

After spending all that money on Gary Matthews Jr., why are the Angels going to turn around spend even more for someone who plays the same position when they’re already overloaded in the outfield? And given their uncertainty at both 2B and 3B, why would they be so eager to trade Figgins?

From a Braves perspective, 2B has never been one of Figgins better positions, and Figgins is much more valuable as a multi-position player, which he would not be in Atlanta.

Everyone still seems dead set on trading for Baldelli and making him the Braves’ leadoff hitter, but his numbers clearly state that he is not best suited to hitting 1st. Stats, what do they mean?

The Cubs have plenty of corner OFs but no CF. What the heck would they want with Diaz? Or the Angels for that matter. As for the Woodward signing, why would anybody think this is a pre-cursor to anything except the imminent departure of Pete Orr? Bobby Cox has done plenty of screwy things through the years, but I don’t think even he would consider using a slap hitter in a platoon at 1B.

Given their lack of major league ready young pitchers, the Braves would be crazy to trade James, yet his name is included in plenty of the concocted fantasy trades on the site. Some of the more knowledgeable posters leave his name out, but substituting Davies and thinking the opposition will take the same deal is nuts.

Too many of these proposed trades are this blog’s version of the infield fly rule questions that drove Skip crazy on his pre-game radio show.

By berigan

December 21, 2006 01:38 AM | Link to this

Well, since everyone else is tossing in fantasy trades, I thought I’d toss one in as well. Why not trade Salty to the Yankees for Melky Cabrera? The Yankees need to do something with Melky since they have Abreu , Damon and Matsui in the outfield. He has shown he should/can play every day. If Salty isn’t enough, we can toss in Davies as well. Plus, we’d all like help a scrappy team like the Yankees, right? ;) This way we can still keep LaRoche. The more I think about it(and others have mentioned it as well) If we trade LaRoche(for pitching only) and lose Andruw, 2008 could be a very weak offensive year. Look how badly we started off in 2006. What if Frenchy starts off slow, and as unlikely as it is, Chipper was hurt early as well? Without LaRoche, that basically leaves McCann and Andruw with any real pop. I now it’s a worse case scenario, but teams never put up the same numbers year after year. Chances are we won’t have as big a year out of McCann as we did last year, we no longer have Giles, Diaz hit .327, but in less than 300 AB’s.

By brian

December 21, 2006 01:59 AM | Link to this

First of all Mr. Baseball, the MLB owners seem to play with monopoly money (which basically comes from all of us) so we can do our fantasy trades.

If the Angels are so desperate for a CF that they gave Matthews JR that contract they would jump at the chance to get Andruw. Whether they would pony up what JS would want in a trade now, and whether Boras would agree to the deal are fair questions, but I do not believe anyone thinks the Angels would not want Andruw Jones.

Figgins would fit perfectly for the Braves as a leadoff hitter who is cheap. His multipositions may be of great benefit for the Braves - he could play LF and fill in at 3B when Chipper is injured thus freeing up Aybar to competefor the 2B job.

Baldelli would be a great addition to the Braves and if we also had Figgins, Baldelli could hit 3rd while Chipper hit 5th (or 4th if by some off chance Andruw was dealt). JS usually has one deal lead to another and then at the end we see how the pieces fit together. he also would be no worse a leadoff hitter than Giles (again statboy DOB correct me if I am off here).

You are right in the Chuck James does not equal Kyle Davies. That is the stalemate with the Rays I believe. They have said James and we have said Davies.

You are also right about Diaz. The Cubs do not need him. A lot of chatter involves Diaz or Langerhans as prized trade bait, and as much as I like them, they are far from prized trade bait.

All of us like to be fantasy GMs and just like throwing stuff out there. Any suggestions for good music is also wanted here.

GM DOB made the most reasonable trade scenario yet for all 3 teams which means at least the Rays and probably the Orioles stand no chance of realizing it is a good deal for all.

By DAP

December 21, 2006 02:00 AM | Link to this

I feel like laroche is such a big part of our team, that the only trade we should listen to involving him should get us gonzalez from pit. not a lead-off guy or a base stealer or anything else. those things will not improve our offense. the braves arguably had the best offense in the leauge last year without anyone who stole bases or a lead-off guy. all we need is a second baseman who can put up numbers similar to what giles did last year, which shouldnt be that hard.

if we lose laroche, we need a dang good pitcher for him, and gonzalez is the guy. otherwise, the offense provided by laroche will be severly missed.(it would probably be missed anyways)

oh yeah, and i remember the sure-handed DeRosa. I remember a frusterating sunday afternoon at wrigley field where he made 4 errors in one game! the reason the braves brought chipper back in from left field was because DeRosa was so terrible.(that ended up being great for the team) i dont miss him at all and was relieved to see him go.

By Jared

December 21, 2006 02:06 AM | Link to this

“Roberts for LaRoche. I still say a three-way with Tampa Bay, sending closer Chris Ray from Baltimore to the Devil Rays, Baldelli to the Braves, and LaRoche to the Orioles, makes the most sense, long as the Braves also get a pitcher”

That doesn’t seem good. The Braves give up a power hitter for someone lesser just because he runs faster? Doesn’t make much sense, unless Hayden Penn is really special.

Now LaRoche for Chris Ray and maybe Penn too is a great deal for the Braves.

By A.J.

December 21, 2006 02:26 AM | Link to this

You think Chris Ray is that much more valuable than Rocco?????

I just don’t see it. I would put them pretty close to even right now.

Baldelli does a lot more than just run faster. He plays center, hits almost .290 career (.300 last year). Has a solid OBP and understands the leadoff role (where he gets onbase much much more).

Now I’m not all about how we HAVE to get a real leadoff guy (often wrongly characterized as just anyone who steals bases). I just need someone who is not slow and understands the leadoff role (i.e. gets on base).

Rocco does that and can fill a need for this team.

Ray has been GREAT and I’m not saying he isn’t a better bet than Rocco if you consider Rocco’s injuries. I would love to have him both just so we have a super deep pen now and still have a lights-out 8-9 innings combo after Wick is gone.

But right now, if I had to choose between another righthanded reliever even of Ray’s caliber or a smart (still young) leadoff guy with Rocco’s potential, in the Braves situation I’d probably take Rocco.

Maybe the Braves could throw in Langerhans with LaRoche and get Ray, Rocco AND Penn. (this last portion of the post was a joke)

By Jared

December 21, 2006 04:23 AM | Link to this

The Braves scored 284 runs in 2006 without a real leadoff hitter.

Chris Ray improves the bullpen and the odds of him being hurt are less than that of Mike Gonzalez or Rafael Soriano.

If I was GM, and I am not, I’d do LaRoche for Ray and possibly someone else. I’d do LaRoche for Mike Gonzalez and possibly someone else. I would NOT do the trades involving the Braves giving up LaRoche and getting Cabrera, Roberts or Figgins/Kotchman. All those trades do is hurt the offense and do nothing for the Braves’ pitching. If no good pitcher is involved, I say keep LaRoche.

I might do some other non-James and non-LaRoche package for Baldelli. Depends on what is involved. It’s not Baldelli, it’s what is being giving up and what the Braves should be focusing on.

By Darrel Chaney

December 21, 2006 05:11 AM | Link to this

I like this Chris Woodward signing.

By @@

December 21, 2006 05:34 AM | Link to this

I hate the ownership. What they’ve done to payroll, how they’ve tied JS’s hands and now what they’re doing to Skip and Joe. It sucks. I hate it, I’m going to hate the new ownership when/if that thing ever gets done. Corporate ownership is cheesy. Give me an individual owner who gives a damn.

By TheSouthernJackAss

December 21, 2006 06:01 AM | Link to this

Hey y’all. I forgot to tell you that I just got a promotion at my part time gig-y’know, the one at the tackle shop where I put worms on hooks for rich fishermen? Yep, just got named Master Baiter!! Mama was so proud. Said she always new there was a Master Baiter deep inside me. Said she could tell every time pro wrestling was on TV. Well, gotta run!! A true Master Baiter can’t leave his worm alone!!

By TheSouthernJackAss

December 21, 2006 06:02 AM | Link to this

Hey y’all. I forgot to tell you that I just got a promotion at my part time gig-y’know, the one at the tackle shop where I put worms on hooks for rich fishermen? Yep, just got named Master Baiter!! Mama was so proud. Said she always new there was a Master Baiter deep inside me. Said she could tell every time pro wrestling was on TV. Well, gotta run!! A true Master Baiter can’t leave his worm alone!!

By TheSouthernJackAss

December 21, 2006 06:03 AM | Link to this

Hey y’all. I forgot to tell you that I just got a promotion at my part time gig-y’know, the one at the tackle shop where I put worms on hooks for rich fishermen? Yep, just got named Master Baiter!! Mama was so proud. Said she always new there was a Master Baiter deep inside me. Said she could tell every time pro wrestling was on TV. Well, gotta run!! A true Master Baiter can’t leave his worm alone!!

By TheSouthernJackAss

December 21, 2006 06:09 AM | Link to this

Hey y’all I forgot to tell you about the promotion I just got at my part time job- y’know, the one where I put worms on fish hooks for rich fishermen? Anyway, it is now official: I have been named Master Baiter!! Mama was so proud. Said she could tell I’d be a Master Baiter even when I was a kid obsessed with the WWF. Especially that Rick Flair. Anyhoo, gotta run!! A true Master Baiter can’t leave his worm alone for long!!

By TheSouthernJackAss

December 21, 2006 06:11 AM | Link to this

dammit that froze up. sorry.

By E-Money

December 21, 2006 07:10 AM | Link to this

Hey DOB…I have a question for you..Have the Braves even discussed the notion of signing Loretta for maybe a year or two to be a little stopgap…Ive always liked the way he handled the bat and their doesnt seem to be much interest in him right now….over the last 3 seasons hes averaged .303/.366./.407..which is much higher than the average second basemans stat line…if we could sign him for a year or two plus make the baldelli deal..all of a sudden I think your looking at the best lineup in the NL hands down….something like this??

Lorretta/Renteria/Chipper/Druw/McCann/Baldelli/LaRoche/Francoeur

I know noone wants Jeff hitting 8th but i think it would be a nice problem to have…or you slip lorretta into the 8 hole slide everyone else up one cept chipper and figure out who to hit second…any thoughts??

By ncscoots

December 21, 2006 07:11 AM | Link to this

mr baseball, I’m afraid sifting thru the only-in-a-parallel-universe trade proposals here on the blog is just one of those prices of admission, LOL. Best just to look at those with a humorous eye, and keep scrolling, ‘cause I doubt it will change :-)

And, really, that’s a small price for getting an eclectic content of baseball, pie, BBQ, great drummers, banana pudding and red velvet cake, the occasional philosophical musing, and the vision of Carolina Lady in cleated 4-inch heels (I suspect her calves were MADE for it).

By The Grinch

December 21, 2006 07:20 AM | Link to this

Morning, all. So this is what 7 am looks like. Hmm. Not impressed. Count me among those who don’t wish to tarde LaRoche straight up for a leadoff hitter, unless he’s got at least some power. If he can hit 15-20, Thorman/Whoever probably can too and that’ll work (although second base is gonna suffer some drop-off as well). You know who’d solve the power problem? Carl Crawford. How come nobody ever brings his name up in a discussion? :-)

FBG, I’m nothing if not versatile.

Speaking of women, if this Caroll person is a woman does that mean I’m going to have to be less offensive? Oh, the humility!

By JasonInMaine

December 21, 2006 07:23 AM | Link to this

From the NY Post:

The proposed three-way deal that involves the Yankees, Pirates and Braves has stalled because the Braves want second baseman Jose Castillo in addition to lefty reliever Mike Gonzalez from the Pirates for left-handed hitting first baseman Adam LaRoche.

If the Braves get Gonzalez they want to send him to the Yankees for Scott Proctor and Melky Cabrera, a package that’s too rich for the Yankees.

Sounds like the Braves are trying to get 3 players for LaRoche…

Regards,

Jason

By The Grinch

December 21, 2006 07:28 AM | Link to this

Speaking of Wicky having a pizza delivered with a parachute, I know y’all have seen those Chick-fil-a commercials with the parachuting cows landing in the stadium to protest hamburger sales. Can you imagine that happening at Tooner Field during the 9th? Wicky’d have ‘em butchered and the grill going before his intro music was finished. Oh, the bovinity! Scoots, your referrence to calves sparked that image.

By Glenn

December 21, 2006 07:43 AM | Link to this

Since baseball salaries have gone up an average of 9%, it seems as all time-warner is giving us fans is the shaft. I’ve had it. dropped my season tickets.If i have to pay more I expect more.

By berigan

December 21, 2006 07:48 AM | Link to this

Grinch, what are you doing up at this ungodly hour? What am I doing up at this ungodly hour?? Last day for tower! They open at 10 am. They still were at 80% off last night(I was P.O.ed, drove 30 miles and they still had the same discount as the day before!) they may be open for just a few hours, they say. Not much left. Some rock, some country, that really is about it. They may go real cheap today though. Oh, DOB, I found that Shooter whatshisname cd, just haven’t had a chance to play it. 50 cents, can’t go wrong!

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

December 21, 2006 07:50 AM | Link to this

Mr. Baseball, I understand what you are saying but a couple of things must be pointed out. First of all, the obsession with Baldelli is coming from the Braves themselves. They want him because they know, whether they admit it publicly or not, that Andruw is gone after 2007. I know I’m one of those people being referred to as throwing out fantasy trades. Some of them are far fetched and some of them aren’t. For instance, Diaz going to the Cubs. I live in Indiana about 2 hours from Chicago and have Comcast Chicago on my cable so I hear all the Cub news. The reason I suggested Diaz OR Langerhans going to the Cubs is to give them a 4th or 5th outfielder. Talk among Cubs’ brass is that if Felix Pie doesn’t come around (and looks like he won’t for 2007) that Soriano would move to CF with Floyd/Murton in LF and Jones in RF unless he gets traded which is a VERY strong possibility. Diaz would give them a good solid right hand bat off the bench just like he does for the Braves and Langerhans would give them a good extra defensive outfielder. And don’t you think they will need it with Soriano and Floyd roaming the outfield.

And just like somebody said about the Angels. You are crazy if you don’t think the Angels would take Andruw if they can get him. They are just hesitant to trade for him because they don’t want to have to give up any players and are willing to go after him in free agency. As far as Figgins goes, it was the Angles who approached the Braves about trading him for LaRoche. So, obviously they feel they have 2B covered in case of Figgins’ departure. The Angles have plenty of young infielders that they want to get onto the ML roster (Kendrick, Aybar ,Iztirius (sp?), and McPherson). I have also never suggested trading James because that would be asinine!

The Braves have to get a leadoff hitter because while the offense scored tons of runs last year they were very inconsistent. Think back and remember how many times the offense would just go cold if they couldn’t hit homeruns. That is not a balanced offense and it is a lot easier to hit singles and doubles than it is homeruns.

By The Grinch

December 21, 2006 07:55 AM | Link to this

Scott Proctor, Melky Cabrerra and Jose Castillo for LaRoche? No wonder the talks have stalled. The D-Rays crackhead GM must’ve smoked some with JS; I like Adam but get real. Anyhoo, time to get some work done.

By DHD

December 21, 2006 07:59 AM | Link to this

“The best move the Braves could make is to sell the team to an owner who will invest money into the team!”

Did you just think of that?????

By The Grinch

December 21, 2006 08:01 AM | Link to this

Berigan, got a book review due up by 10AM. Was supposed to finish it last night, but actually fell asleep around 11 (perhaps the first time ever). I must be getting old.

Robert, I wasn’t aware you were known for proposing trades. :-)

Ok, gotta go. I really mean it this time (can you tell I don’t feel like working?).

By Carroll

December 21, 2006 08:02 AM | Link to this

Robert: agree about the leadoff hitter however, I think it would be NICE but not necessary. And Figgins is NOT a good leadoff man other than the fact tht he has speed. His OBP is worse than Gilly. That should be our benchmark in looking for a leadoff man….not speed or flash or whatnot….just OBP…anything else like speed is just gravy. Toward that end, I think Kelly Johnson could be the perfect leadoff man.

By Richard Cory

December 21, 2006 08:16 AM | Link to this

So Grinch, do you really think, we could get Carl Crawford?? :-]

By berigan

December 21, 2006 08:23 AM | Link to this

Robert(JITB) Thank you for putting it better than me about the leadoff situation. Yeah, we scored a lot of runs last year. But you know, it’s like looking at Adam Dunn, or some other streaky player. At the end of the season, the numbers look decent, but you know they weren’t that good. We have very little team speed. Remember how many high scoring games we had after the terrible June? Then when the offense seemed as good as anyone’s, it went fairly cold. As the old addage goes, speed doesn’t go into slumps. Doesn’t mean a guy has to steal a bunch of bases, but if a player(Say Baldelli)can easily go from 1st to 3rd on a single(can anyone imagine Diaz doing that well day in and day out if he was the leadoff guy?) and hits better than Giles did for the first half of the season, it will be a plus. And teams that score first in games, tend to win those games. A Diaz/Langerhans split…does that seem like the way to get far in the playoffs? We always seem to have trouble scoring come the postseason. Teams that get deep into the playoffs seem to have sparkplugs who fuel the offense. Damon, Granderson, Eckstein. Perhaps Aybar could be that sparkplug, but like Betemit, he seems doomed to be a super sub.

By Jared

December 21, 2006 08:24 AM | Link to this

http://www.timesonline.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=17618475&BRD=2305&PAG=461&dept_id=478568&rfi=6

The Beaver County Times in Pennsylvania says that the Pirates may yet get Adam LaRoche, and that talks are heating up after the Braves dropped their demand for Paul Malholm along with Gonzalez for LaRoche. Now if this is to be believed, it’s LaRoche for Gonzalez and either Chris Duffy or Jose Castillo.

By MEB

December 21, 2006 08:29 AM | Link to this

Lost in all this discussion about Chris Woodward and Adam LaRoche is the fact we are losing Bob Rathbun and Jeff Torborg. Oh, the humanity! It took a long time to develop a liking for this broadcasting duo but I found myself truly enjoying their broadcasts, especially the color work of Jeff Torborg. Joe Simpson is a natural part of Braves baseball but who in the world is Jon Sciambi.

DOB… are you familiar with this former Marlin broadcaster? GO BRAVES!!!

By ernesto

December 21, 2006 08:40 AM | Link to this

I like this Woodward signing too. Now if we can only land, say, a Scott Moore or Donnie Murphy, I say “Game on!”

By Efrim D

December 21, 2006 08:50 AM | Link to this

Gonzalez isnt the guy I wanted. Ray and Loewen from the Orioles would of been nice. Jose Castillo is not a good player, if they settle for Chris Duffy, than JS needs his head examined. Duffy can’t lead off next year.

By Carroll

December 21, 2006 08:50 AM | Link to this

MEB: I was glad to hear that those 2 clowns would be gone from Fox broadcasts, and that Simpson would be on those games. However, living in Fla, I have listened to the Marlins announcer many times and I think he may leave everyone longing for the days of Rathburn and Paciorek (or maybe even Rathburn and Al Downing…barf!!!)….he’s a typical chuckling, chatty, nonsense-talking boob….like every Fox announcer.

By GaDawg7

December 21, 2006 09:05 AM | Link to this

The only advantage of the Braves willingness to self-destruct is that, once again, good seats will become available for all the home games. Memories of the late ’80s abound…when you can buy a ticket in the upper deck and come sit behind the dugout, and no one cared. Of course prices are going up, payroll is going down, and no one in the fron office seems to have a clue… Not re-signing Giles was a stupid move, at the least, because no viable alternative was available, and now the talk is trading LaRoache possibly to get a replacement that may not even be as good as Giles, and we’re going to replace LaRoache with…Thorman??? Hmmm Why is Pete Orr not being cobsidered a servicable replacement for Giles, since cutting payroll is so important, or at least shouldn’t he be given the opportunity? We just signed Woodward from the Mets as a bench player, and probably will force Orr out…didn’t understand that either…but this is the Braves we’re talking about. Until there is an owner that actually cares about this team…like an Arthur Blank with the Falcoms, they won’t be seeing any more of my money….it just gets old

By Rodger

December 21, 2006 09:10 AM | Link to this

Just a note-overlooked was more DOB math:

Those are also the only three teams who’ve had their current managers more than seven seasons _ Cox (17 years in current stint, 21 overall in two tours with Braves), LaRussa (7) and Torre (7)

Both LaRussa & Torre with the Cards/Yanks in 96…

By MEB

December 21, 2006 09:19 AM | Link to this

Carroll… I agree that play-by-play tends to be handled by nonsense-talking boobs but I guess time eases the pain to some extent and I had grown use to Bob Rathbun. Jeff Torborg had a great deal of background and experience and was able to communicate it extremely well within the broadcast without coming across as just another talking head. Time will tell and I hope Sciambi is not another hyper active dolt with a microphone who loves to hear himself talk.

By Lew

December 21, 2006 09:30 AM | Link to this

Rodger-If Torre and LaRussa joined their respective teams in 96, they’ve been there 11 years, not 7. Hate to see Torborg go, but Rathbun is no huge loss, though I hear he does other sports well. Torborg did have some decent insight from catching all those Dodger greats for so long. Oh well, the dismantling of all things Brave continues. This is all NOT acceptable, but damned if I know what to do about it. I’m not giving up on the Braves.

By The Grinch

December 21, 2006 09:45 AM | Link to this

MEB, I don’t know anything about him save that Dave gave Sciambi a ringing endorsement a day or two ago. I liked Torborg pretty well for his insight, though he was somewhat uninspiring emotionally. Rathbun definitely needs to stick with Hawks broadcasts.

Lew, I believe that was Rodger’s point; hence the referrence to “DOB math.” BTW, what Rainbow alblum is “Stone Cold” on?

By tom

December 21, 2006 09:49 AM | Link to this

Bernie Williams has been with Yankees for 15 years

By Andrew

December 21, 2006 09:54 AM | Link to this

Your three way deal involving Laroche, Baldelli, Ray and Penn is completely implausible. Especially if you have any idea what the D-Rays want for Baldelli.

By Bobby

December 21, 2006 10:06 AM | Link to this

Heard interesting scenario this morning on MLB-XM (SI columnist actually talking)… If (big IF) Angels decide to pursue Zito, then they would be willing to ship extra starter (Santana) and Figgins/Kotchman to Braves for LaRoche/Prospect… Braves would then flip Santana/Kotchman/Escobar to Tampa for Baldelli… Braves would end up with Figgins (2B/leadoff) and Baldelli (LF/future CF)… DOB, thoughts?

By Ripme

December 21, 2006 10:09 AM | Link to this

Robert JITB keep up the trade info you are the best.Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all Braves Fans

By Arkansas Hillbilly

December 21, 2006 10:10 AM | Link to this

Berigan,

Shooter “Whathisname” Jennings is The son of Waylon Jennings and Jessi Colter. And the album is awesome, IMO. Both albums as a matter of fact, but especially “Electric Rodeo.”

In the hypothetical world, I Don’t see why we would acquire Mike Gonzales and then spin him to the Yankees for Melky and Scott Proctor, if we are indeed in need of another left-handed reliever. I can’t remember who posted that, and maybe I misread it, so please line me out on that logic. Like I said the other day though, I don’t know about Scott Proctor, but I’d love to acquired Emily Procter, any old day of the week…..

By Steve

December 21, 2006 10:26 AM | Link to this

Hey Hey Guys,

I saw Rocky Balboa last night…first of all the theatre was jammed…second the movie was unreal…I want to see it again…it certainly is one of the better Rocky movies out of the other five…and everyone in the theatre claped when it was over.

There some great humor in it…..Paulie has some great lines…and so does Balboa…I got chills about three times during the movie…I think its gunna be huge in the box office…

You leave satisfied

By Hemingway

December 21, 2006 10:30 AM | Link to this

Smiley’s is a joint in Porter, South Carolina. You walk in and its this big rectangle. The bar stretches the length of the room down the left hand side. The right hand side is a single row of 11 tables. The front window has “Smiley’s” in cracked, speckled once-white letters. In blue neon: “OPEN 23 HOURS”. A placard on the right has a rooster in front of the sun proclaiming breakfast served all day. A posterboard on the bottom left has a hand written message: “We got WIFI!”

For the last 9 years, no more than a dozen different people have passed thru Smiley’s door on any one day. I know. I’m here everyday. I’m the bartender.

And then, a couple months ago, a new fellow shows up. One look and you knew he was someone famous. David, Porter’s token disreputable, perked up immediately. But when he approached, New Guy stared him down and David scurried to the corner like a roach.

“You got any Chivas?”, New Guy asked.

“I’m sorry, ” I replied. “You’ve gotta go a county or two over to get that. We got Bud and Bud Lite on tap.”

“Damn.”

“I know.”

“Bud, then.”

“Good choice.”

He smiled. It was a smile that said, “What else can go wrong?” and then he said, “What else can go wrong?”

“The glass is cold.”

“Things are looking up.”

%%%

The next day, everyone in town must have come in. That brought the gate to 3 dozen people. Cook had me waiting tables, something I’d never done.

“Who in the hell is that new guy?” Pastor Smith asked.

“He didn’t say,” I answered and poured him a Bud Lite. (I pour Bud Lite for those I don’t like.)

“You know where he’s livin’, don’t you?”

“No.”

“Porter’s.”

“Porter’s?”

“Yeah.”

I heard my self grunt as I thought of Mrs Porter, Smiley Porter’s widow. She hadn’t left the Porter Spread in the 9 years I’d been stranded in the town of Porter.

“What happened, Pastor?” I asked.

“That new fella got in touch with her some how and gave her a heap of money, I reckon. Four horsetrailers and two movin’ vans been seen going down the Porter Highway. Looks like maybe he’s there to stay for a while.”

%%%

That night, New Guy came in with a box that said “Chivas Regal Royal Salute” on it. New Guy held up two one hundred dollar bills. “Look,” he said. ” I’ll pay the price of a Bud for every double shot of this hooch. You won’t get in any trouble if we do this will you?”

I looked at the booze. I looked at the money. I looked at him. And then I answered: “Trouble’s my middle name. I’ll pour it in a mug. Won’t nobody care. Ain’t nobody’s business but ours.”

“And I’ll buy a round for the house every night.”

“No. Don’t do that. They don’t appreciate good hooch, here. Buy pickled eggs for everyone. I need to move some stock.”

“Deal.”

So my new routine for a couple of months consisted of pouring a half dozen fingers of expensive blended whiskey after 6 pm, on the sly, and emptying 9 years worth of pickled egg inventory. The toilet’s backed up a few times, but the cash flow’s been good.

%%%

A good thing never lasts long , though. Last night, a fat guy with a Braves cap walks in, picking his nose and spitting. I gave him a cross look.

” Sorry,” he says, reaching for his wallet .”Can I have a beer.”

I poured him a Bud Lite, (I do that for those I don’t like), and placed it on the bar, not taking a chance of touching that hand. He thanked me and placed a ten on the bar and told me to keep it for the spit “and all”. I nodded in acknowledgement, picked up the bill and washed my hands.

New Guy never flinched during all that. Just nursed his third Chivas, staring into space. Finally, he asked, “How’d you find me?”

“It wasn’t easy. You can be a hard man to find,” said the nosepicker in the Braves Hat.

“I really tried to disappear, this time.”

“I know. But you know what I want.”

“Yeah, I know. Presence. Veteran Leadership. And on the cheap.”

“Well, no, actually. David O’Brien, jimmy smith, and me are roadtrippin’ up to BrokeBack Mountain for Christmas. You want to come with us?”

“Sure. And since we’re going that way, you reckon we could pick up Carl Crawford?”

MERRY CHRISTMAS

By whs

December 21, 2006 10:36 AM | Link to this

James had a great year. Isn’t there some thinking that he has a bit of an odd delivery that might at some point cause some arm problems,enable teams to eventually adjust to his delivery,or he might need to change his mechanics & would somehow be less effective. If this is true,it would seem that now would be a great time to trade him while his percieved value is very high.

By The Grinch

December 21, 2006 10:36 AM | Link to this

Santana/Kotchman/Escobar for Baldelli? That dude’s good and cheap, but he ain’t THAT good. If we get Santana in a trade we ought to keep him. I think the Rays have been overvaluing their players so long everyone who normally has some sense is starting to drink that weak-a$$ kool-aid. From all the %$#@ I’ve heard in the past few weeks it seems like if the Rays have both Baldelli AND Crawford on the same team they ought to be winning the WS every year. Newsflash: their team sucks. It always has in the past and it still does. Not to say these two guys do, but c’mon…

By journalist jimmy smith

December 21, 2006 10:40 AM | Link to this

grinch, carroll is female. this is probably the end of sda as we know him/it. anticipate a low sda tolerance. just a guess.

well, journalist returns to the blog to find that sda has attacked journalist jimmy smith once again. why would sda do this? this journalist has followed a strict policy of ignoring the sda’s ugly rantings (sda may be unbalanced like fruit cake with too many pieces of the little green fruit that no one can identify). anyway, the sda has endeared himself to no one over the past year and even with the return of rr to this blog (formerly the main antagonist of sda - not known by all) the sda continues to snipe at jimmy smith. well, in the spirit of the season this journalist wishes sda a merry christmas, or whatever sda may celebrate at this time of year, and advises sda to go play in traffic. now, journalist is indebted to sda for this opportunity to express journalist’s self freely (defender of freedom - by himself - nobody else, just sda). others appear grateful as well, as sda seems to have attracted a few more detractors on this blog. charming fellow, wonder why? now, baseball … no, first another piece of this delicious red velvet cake - then, baseball … why is there no chipper talk on the braves blog? and will dob be exchanging presents with chipper this year?

By King of the Braves

December 21, 2006 10:48 AM | Link to this

This is what they are saying in the LA Times.

Q: I love everything about the Angels except their reluctance to pull the trigger on a big trade. But then again, I love the fact that they believe in their own guys. My feeling is that I would prefer someone like Adam LaRoche from the Braves rather than Alex Rodriguez and the “baggage” that he brings. Any chance of a trade with the Braves that would include LaRoche? I know he’s been bandied about before.

James M. Tubiolo

A: The Angels and Braves had serious discussions about LaRoche, a young, power-hitting first baseman, at the winter meetings, and had the Angels been willing to part with Shields, a deal would have been done. I thought after the Braves acquired reliever Rafael Soriano from Seattle, they might be willing to accept a deal from the Angels that didn’t include a reliever — Atlanta also was interested in Figgins and first baseman Casey Kotchman. But the Braves are reportedly close to completing a three-team trade that would send LaRoche to Pittsburgh, Pirates closer Mike Gonzalez to the Yankees and Yankees left fielder Melky Cabrera to Atlanta, so the chances of LaRoche coming to Anaheim now appear slim.

By KC

December 21, 2006 10:51 AM | Link to this

GRINCH: What do you think of this trade…

Escobar, Davies, LaRoche, Francoeur, McCann, James, Soriano, and player to be named later

for

Crawford and Baldelli

WHADYA THINK?

By Bobby

December 21, 2006 10:52 AM | Link to this

The Grinch, I was just relaying info/rumor. I am not sure Baldelli is worth that either, but we would need a bat with loss of LaRoche and this scenario would leave our young pitching intact. Plus, the potential lineup (see below) is impressive. In fact, more immpressive than last year. If we lose Andruw next year, then slide Baldelli to CF and Figgins to LF. Hopefully, by next year one of young IFs will be ready for 2B fulltime. 2B Figgins SS Renteria 3B C.Jones CF A.Jones LF Baldelli C McCann RF Francouer 1B Thorman/Diaz

By whs

December 21, 2006 10:54 AM | Link to this

James had a great year. Isn’t there some thinking that he has a bit of an odd delivery that at some point might either cause some arm problems,enable teams to eventually adjust to his delivery,or he might need to alter his mechanics. His value may be at it’s highest right now.

By Carroll

December 21, 2006 10:55 AM | Link to this

Bobby: if we get Santana, we had BETTER keep him! I think if we got him then we could afford to give Davies to the D-Rays. But if we got Figgins in the deal to lead off (which I DON’T like), then why would we be so desperate to get Baldelli (presumably to lead off as well)?

But I definitely agree that we need to pray for the Halos to get Zito, not only to prevent the Mutts from getting him, but also so that the Halos will then be willing to part with some of their pitching in a LaRoche or AJ deal.

By KC

December 21, 2006 11:00 AM | Link to this

KingOfBraves:

That guy apparently has no idea what he’s talking about. No way the Braves will make that 3 team deal. LaRoche for M.Cabrera??? What are these people smoking? And the Braves are “close” to making that deal? Where in the hell do some of these people get their information?????

By Jared

December 21, 2006 11:02 AM | Link to this

“James had a great year. Isn’t there some thinking that he has a bit of an odd delivery that might at some point cause some arm problems,enable teams to eventually adjust to his delivery,or he might need to change his mechanics & would somehow be less effective. If this is true,it would seem that now would be a great time to trade him while his percieved value is very high.”

No, there is no thinking like that. Chuck James should be untouchable.

King of the Braves, even though that L.A. Times thing is recent, the writer doesn’t seem to have grasped that the Cabrera/LaRoche/Gonzalez straight-up three way ain’t happening. I think it was pre-written two weeks ago.

By Lew

December 21, 2006 11:18 AM | Link to this

Rodger-Sorry, I missed the first line. Grinch-It’s too damn early to read everything. Stone Cold is on the album Straight Between The Eyes. I have it, of course. Bobby-If Santana had been offered, the deal would have been done and we would have kept Santana, therby strengthening our rotation immesurably.

By Patrick

December 21, 2006 11:20 AM | Link to this

New article from the Beaver Co. Times today says that talks have heated up again with the LaRoche to the Pirates. It says the Braves have backed off Paul Malholm but insist that either Chris Duffy or Jose Castillo be included with Mike Gonzalez

By Lew

December 21, 2006 11:21 AM | Link to this

Jared-His strange delivery is what makes James so hard to hit. The hitters can’t pick up the ball. Besides, James has improved at every step all the way to the Braves. There’s absolutely no reason to expect him to get anything but better. The kid is for real. He also was used less innings last season than in 05, so he will likely NOT break down like so many others.

By KC

December 21, 2006 11:26 AM | Link to this

Steve: Thanks for the movie tip. Planning on seeing Rocky B tomorrow. Also, full trailer just came out for the Transformers Movie. July 4th can’t come soon enough. If tickets were already on sale, I’d already have them.

By braves fan

December 21, 2006 11:32 AM | Link to this

ROCKY BALBOA REVIEW:

As expected, there is a lot of cheese in it. But there are some funny lines as well. I never saw Rocky V, so a friend had to give me the down low on some details. But I thought this movie, with the story of an aging boxer searching for some closure, was a more realistic story, more in line with the original Rocky. If Rocky’s 3-5 had never been made, this one would have been even better. There were some moments of REAL emotion that resonated with me, much better than the patriotic cheese of Rocky IV which is more emblematic of a Toby Keith song than a real movie. Plus the camera work was much more realistic. When they get to the fight scenes, you’d swear you were watching an HBO broadcast, except for the cut aways to the expressions of the key characters.

Overall, I’d give it a B-, because Rocky from 1 & 2 was a true American character and this one seemed to return him to that status.

By the mets rule!!

December 21, 2006 11:33 AM | Link to this

rocco baldelli AND hayden penn, AND all the Braves would have to give up is adam laroche??? Now that’s some serious optimism…why not just ask for 100 Billion dollars?!?!?!

By eric, baltimore

December 21, 2006 11:34 AM | Link to this

Dave, Sorry, the O’s are not trading Ray AND Penn for LaRoche! Penn is their best prospect and Ray is under control for 4 more years. They’ll sign A Huff before doing this deal. Now Ray and Penn for Baldelli? That they might do!

By KC

December 21, 2006 11:41 AM | Link to this

I think the sports media is under the impression that Atlanta is desperately looking for a center-fielder (hence the M.Cabrera rumors). I seriously doubt that’s accurate.

The Braves would like to acquire a leadoff hitter to play either 2B or LF. If that player can also play CF, that’s a plus… but that doesn’t mean their in the market for a center-fielder. Someone like Baldelli would be a good fit for several reasons, one of them being that he could take over in Center should AJ leave next winter. However, I don’t think the Braves are conceding the loss of Andruw at all right now.

If Liberty Media (assuming they can ever complete this damn sale) is willing to loosen the purse strings just a little, it would likely allow Atlanta to make a 15 mill-a-year offer over 4-5 years to Andruw. That offer would be competitive enough to give the Braves a definite fighting chance of keeping him. That’s not to say that he’d accept that deal, as he’ll likely get 18 million-a-year (and probably a year or two longer) offers, but the Braves will have a real shot if they can offer 5 years-75 mill.

The Braves aren’t in the market for a center-fielder. They are in the market for pitching and a leadoff man. If a player can also play CF well, that’s a plus, but not a requirement. Cabrera for LaRoche??? Get real.

By David

December 21, 2006 11:42 AM | Link to this

If the Braves could somehow manage to turn Adam LaRoche into Melky Cabrera, Scott Proctor and Jose Castillo, it would be a feat for the ages. I don’t want to deal LaRoche, but if anyone had even suggested this possibility at the All-Star Break, they would have been mocked mercilessly.

By Lew

December 21, 2006 11:44 AM | Link to this

I still wonder-With all of the Botox in Sly Stallone’s face, if he gets hit in the head, will it force the Botox to his brain, making it freeze up? Would anyone notice his brain was frozen?

By Jared

December 21, 2006 11:46 AM | Link to this

You can get Chris Ray OR Hayden Penn, but not Chris Ray AND Hayden Penn for Adam LaRoche.

Mike Gonzalez and Duffy/Castillo is okay with me as long as the Braves don’t do something stupid like send Gonzalez to the Yankees for just Melky Cabrera.

By DAP

December 21, 2006 11:59 AM | Link to this

Jared nice post about the braves not really NEEDing a lead-off hitter. but the braves scored more than 286 runs, or whatever you said, last year. Make it 849 runs without a leadoff guy. that was 5th in the majors and 2nd in the national league.

our focus should be on pitching, period. any postition players would be bonus.

and the offense didnt get in bad slumps last year, the bullpen did. Most games we scored more than enough runs to win the game, but the other team scored more. every team has nights where they dont score runs, weather they have a lead-off hitter or not.

i say only lose laroche to get gonzalez…he’s awesome. pursue the baldelli trade… he’s a nice peice, but do not give up important pitching… and let the guys within the organization duke it out for second base. dont discount any of them because they may seem more suited for utility. they should ALL get a chance to win the spot.

thats Johnson, Aybar, Orr, Woodward, Harris… forgive me if i forgot one…

By Metropolitan Man

December 21, 2006 12:00 PM | Link to this

Congradulations on the C. Woodward signing. Maybe now that he is healthy he can pitch and catch for you guys since thats the only thing he didnt do for the METS. Anyway I now see how cheap/broke/tied up your money is becasue make no mistake, he will see plenty of time at second.
You guys better do what you can to get Melky, becasue you guys will have nothing but rooks, sophmores and journeymen to field your team. Good luck, Zito or Suppan will be a MET before you know it.

By Justin

December 21, 2006 12:10 PM | Link to this

The ship is sinking braves fans!!!

If the Braves lose Andrew Jones next year they are in deep deep trouble.

By JohnGTFan

December 21, 2006 12:28 PM | Link to this

Jared good post, I agree that trading LaRoche would be ok if we get Gonzalez and Castillo, but NOT to trade Gonzalez to NYY. I’m a big supporter of LaRoche, but if we can turn our bullpen into the best in baseball, we only need 6 innings from our starters! WOW. Think our starters would love that? What a change from last year, knowing 6 strong innings would be enough the majority of the time. No fear of who is coming in to blow a 3 run lead!

By Arkansas Hillbilly

December 21, 2006 12:30 PM | Link to this

The Hemingway story had me laughing my a** off. Especially the fat, spitting Nosepicker in the Braves Hat. I was ready to log it into the Grinch Hall of Fame until I got to the pot-shot toward DOB and JJS. Sorry Grinch, my mistake.

By Yoder

December 21, 2006 12:34 PM | Link to this

Didn’t the Braves have 20 blown saves pre-All-Star break last year? Being conservative, with Wickman they would have held on to 15 games. They would have won the wild card by a couple of games and even been in the division race. So I say focus on bullpen, bullpen, bullpen. The offense will be fine, especially if Bill James is right about McCann’s projection.

By eware

December 21, 2006 12:47 PM | Link to this

I think the Braves should stop with all trades and signings now - our problems have been solved. Last year, we needed a closer, which we now have. We also needed a more experienced set-up man, which we can now check off the list. The leadoff hitter is overrated - not needed. Any hitter should be able to be a leadoff hitter. Injuries also killed us last year (before, i.e. Boyer, Foster, Hampton; and during, i.e. Davies, Chipper).

I like the team we have now. Let’s take ‘em to the park!

By David O'Brien

December 21, 2006 12:48 PM | Link to this

Tom, yes, but Bernie is not WITH the Yankees right now. He’s an unsigned free agent, no?

Rodger _ exactly right. Meant 11 apiece for those guys, not seven. And when I turned eleven (word) to seven in my mash of notes, it got screwed up somehow. Anyway, my bad. Thankfully, didn’t appear i paper or in a story online, “just” the blog (nothing personal, folks, but there’s a boatload of screwups in the blogosphere-o-rama, and I’m not without mine, for sure.

MEB, I’ve commented several times in previous blogs on Boog Sciambi, beginning last week when I first said here that the Braves were in negotiations with him. Good dude, very good broadcaster, young guy, fresh voice, but has the traditional kind of baseball sound to it, which is a good thing….

By David O'Brien

December 21, 2006 12:52 PM | Link to this

Patrick, others commenting on “new” article out of Pittsburgh: Pirates made it clear in winter meetings they wern’t including Maholm, and that demand was long since dropped by Braves. It’s been reported here and several other places for more than a week that they were talking about including Castillo possibly in the deal, and Maholm has not been an issue, much as that story made it out to be a new development.

Talks have been ongoing almost since the first day of meetings between these teams, with very few days off between.

By whs

December 21, 2006 12:56 PM | Link to this

James had a great year. Isn’t there some thinking that his mechanics are a little funky & may lead to arm problems,or a change in delivery that might change his effectiveness. If so his value & desirability may be at it’s high point at this time. If that is the case, let’s trade him for someone like Baldelli while his value is at it’s highest.

By william

December 21, 2006 01:00 PM | Link to this

James had a great year. Isn’t there some thinking that his mechanics are a little funky & may lead to arm problems,or a change in delivery that might change his effectiveness. If so his value & desirability may be at it’s high point at this time. If that is the case, let’s trade him for someone like Baldelli while his value is at it’s highest

By David O'Brien

December 21, 2006 01:00 PM | Link to this

and by the way, while my math skills are admittedly not up to par with my science and language brilliance, this particular case (the years of Torre/LaRussa) was actually a result of cranking out a blog on demand from a miniature chair with my laptop propped up on a bed in the guest room of my brother’s house in a hurry while I should have been enjoying the first day of a so-called vaction, one that was interrupted again an hour or so later by news of the colossal Woodward signing.

Some of you are both anal (for noticing the seven, stead of 11) and thankless heathens.

fortunately, i still like you. most of you.

By Jared

December 21, 2006 01:16 PM | Link to this

“James had a great year. Isn’t there some thinking that his mechanics are a little funky & may lead to arm problems,or a change in delivery that might change his effectiveness.”

You already wrote this. No, there is no thinking like that. You’re the only person I’ve read/heard write/say that.

Trading Chuck James for Rocco Baldelli is, quite frankly retarded. Considering Schuerholz’s primary focus, considering that Baldelli had health problems among other things. Schuerholz ain’t going to make himself look hypocritical and open up a spot for Lance Cormier by trading a promising, good, young, cheap left-handed starter. Trading James is a non-starter.

By David O'Brien

December 21, 2006 01:17 PM | Link to this

WHS, that’s really not a very sensible post. At all.

By 22oz

December 21, 2006 01:18 PM | Link to this

I like the new pair of Simpson and Sciambi. i remember him from ESPN last year, and thought he did a good job. I’ve always liked Joe alot, especially when he and Skip get going at each other. We’ve come a long ways since the days of Rathbun and Paciorek. Ugh, just remembering all of Paciorek’s “oh yeah“‘s still makes me cringe.

By ncscoots

December 21, 2006 01:31 PM | Link to this

DOB, it would be one thing to be called on to file during vacation for a major trade, but to have to do so for Chris Woodward, man, that’s above and beyond. Where’s the union rep when you need her?

BTW, happy holidays, bruh, from one of the “thankless heathens”.

By Robert

December 21, 2006 01:39 PM | Link to this

“It doesn’t matter what we do because Bobby Cox is so bad.”

By George, I think he’s GOT it!

By KC

December 21, 2006 01:39 PM | Link to this

Metro Man:

The thing you Mets fans seem to forget is that the Braves were the best offensive team in the NL last year… and Marcus Giles was not a noteworthy contributor. Giles is a good player and I think he’ll bounce back, but the reality is that with his coming off such a sup par season… from this year to next year, the Braves won’t have lost anything at 2B. In other words, this offense is every bit as potent as it was last year. If it winds up being diminished, it will only be to further strengthen a pitching staff that already looks better then the Mets’ pitching right now.

The Braves have a slight edge on offense, have pulled even in the bullpen, and look much better in the starting pitching dept. The Mets need to sign both Suppan and Zito if they are to field a rotation that can match up to Atlanta’s. One or the other won’t quite get you there.

By Thankless Heathen

December 21, 2006 01:48 PM | Link to this

DOB, Nobody cares. WWWAAAAHHHH.

By Thankless Heathen

December 21, 2006 01:49 PM | Link to this

Oh yeah. Merry Christmas.

By ncscoots

December 21, 2006 01:51 PM | Link to this

Gawd, if Jeff Suppan is seen as a Mets savior, I’ll contribute to the price of signing him. I’d LOVE the Braves to see THAT guy for five starts. And I expect Zito would take some lumps in the NL, too. The guy’s durable, but hardly dominant, and that curve, great as it is, won’t be as effective against NL hitters as it was in the AL.

By JohnGTFan

December 21, 2006 02:02 PM | Link to this

DOB

Rumors always fly around during this time of year. But with so much emphasis on LaRoche, is JS getting a little caught up in all the attention from Baltimore, Pitt, and LAA(still sounds stupid)? Is there a good chance he’ll just stand pat with what he has on the field unless he’s completely overwhelmed with a deal?

By JohnGTFan

December 21, 2006 02:05 PM | Link to this

The Mets may not say it publicly, but you know they’re nervous about the upcoming season. Injuries are a major concern, and so is age in certain areas. They’re going to overpay for Zito or Suppan and not get their money’s worth. They see ATL strengthening their bullpen (main weakness last year) and possibly make it the best if they do get Gonzalez. Hope the Mets enjoy hanging that banner on opening day, will be their last for a long time.

By joe

December 21, 2006 02:05 PM | Link to this

i dont see why james is untouchable, if you asked me three or four years ago i would have told you HoRam was untouchable, he shouldn’t have been. If you asked me two years ago i would have told you davies was untouchable, again, could have gotten more for him then, than now. I say if someone wants to pay an arm and a leg for james, then we should do it. As long as we get another starter somewhere else then thats fine.
I dont see payroll going up next year, regardless of how much player salaries go up, we should move andruw now while its easier. With our bullpen fixed, we will be right in the middle of things and wont want to move him in late july. Move him now and walk with more than just two first round draft picks when someone signs him next winter.

By KC

December 21, 2006 02:18 PM | Link to this

My Predictions for the Braves and Mets 2007 Starting Rotations:

BRAVES:

• Smoltz: 19-7, 3.36 ERA

• Hudson: 17-8, 3.57 ERA

• Hampton: 15-9, 3.74 ERA (I predict Hampton will struggle just a bit in the first half, and then turn it on after the break).

• James: 16-7, 3.47 ERA

• Davies: 13-10, 4.39 ERA

METS:

• Glavine: 16-8, 3.84 ERA

• O.Hernandez: 15-9, 4.04 ERA

• Maine: 14-9, 3.90 ERA

• Perez: 6-6, 4.89 ERA (He’ll make 17 starts, and will then be replaced by Pedro M. mid-way through season)

• Pedro Martinez: 8-6, 3.89 ERA (in 16 starts)

• If they sign Zito: 19-7, 3.63 ERA

• If they sign Jeff Suppan: 15-8, 3.97 ERA

The Mets will sign either Zito or Suppan, which will give them a decent rotation. IF/when Pedro comes back and regains his form, the Mets should have a very good rotation. Until then, I like the Braves rotation better… even if the Mets sign Zito.

If the Mets sign Zito, and Pedro comes back strong sometime around the break (though that’s far from a sure thing)… then which team has the best rotation at that point will depend largely on the performance of Hudson and Hampton next season. But overall, if the Mets sign Zito and you then asked me to choose between these two rotations… I would take Atlanta’s. I personally believe Hampton and Hudson will be solid, and I think most everyone’s comfortable about what we can expect from Smoltz and James. 1-4, I like Atlanta’s rotation better. Even with Zito and a healthy Pedro.

By Bronx Brave

December 21, 2006 02:18 PM | Link to this

I don’t believe for a minute that the Braves are going to pull the trigger on this reported deal with Pittsburgh that has them sending LaRoche (and possibly Davies) to the Pirates for Gonzalez and either Castillo or Duffy.

The Braves have maintained from the start that they would not do LaRoche for Gonzalez straight up, so why do the deal with the addition of one of these other guys? While Duffy has lead-off experience, is he really the “center fielder of the future” after Andruw leaves? I think not. Is he really an upgrade for this year over Langerhans and/or Diaz? No. Similarly, would you really feel better about Castillo at 2B than Prado, Woodward, Johnson, or Orr? No way.

Duffy and Castillo might be long-shots to even make the 25-man roster. We’ve got four or five guys serving the same role now for the same money. So, essentially, the deal would be the same as LaRoche to Gonzalez, straight up, and the Braves have repeatedly said that’s not going to happen.

Maybe this is posturing to get the Orioles, Devil Rays, Yankees, and/or Angels back to the table. I would do the LaRoche for Figgins/Kotchman trade in a second. Even better would be LaRoche to Baltimore for Ray/Penn; then Saltalamacchia or Escobar, Ray, and Davies to Tampa for Baldelli. Cabrera and Proctor for LaRoche from the Yankees sounds good too, but isn’t happening. But I digress…

The bottom line is this: no way should the Braves be entertaining this deal with the Pirates.

By JohnGTFan

December 21, 2006 02:20 PM | Link to this

Would people please stop insisting Andruw be moved…he CAN’T be moved…he’s a 10/5 guy!!! TRADE VETO POWER! Also, every pitcher on our staff would lose their mind if he wasn’t their this year without a legitimate CF to replace him (which we obviously don’t have).

By KC

December 21, 2006 02:21 PM | Link to this

joe:

HoRam was nearly untouchable a few years ago, a yes, he should have been.

remember, that was before all of HoRam’s injury problems, and before his sub par 05’ season.

You can’t predict the future. You can only go on what you see, and the way Ramirez looked in his rookie season… they would have been crazy to trade him back then.

By TheBO

December 21, 2006 02:31 PM | Link to this

Please let me clear this up for you guys. There is no need to make any more trades for the Braves to over take anyone in the east. They have fixed the bullpen. so they are done, they are ready. They got the Mets shaking in there booties. Last year non playoff year was directly connected to the bullpen. Take away half of the blown saves from last year and the braves are in the playoffs. Look at the numbers and tell me what you see. Make another trade for anything and create another problem. Stand as you are. Should another trade be made, fire John and Bobby. If there is anything needed for this team is a power hitting pinch hitter on the bench. Punch and Judy hitter don’t put fear in anybody heart in the playoff.

By David

December 21, 2006 02:37 PM | Link to this

Bronx Brave, with all due respect, I think you might want to research Castillo a bit more. He was the #4 prospect in baseball entering 2004. He’s struggled with injuries and consistency thus far but the sky is the limit with regards to his potential.

By journalist jimmy schidzts

December 21, 2006 02:56 PM | Link to this

I don’t know why but I’m feeling so sad I long to try something I never had Never had no kissin’, oh, what I’ve been missin’ DOB man, oh, where can you be? Dob man, oh, the humanity!

The night is cold and I’m so alone I’d give my soul just to call you my own Got a moon above me but nobody to love me DOB man, oh, where can you be? DOB man, oh, the humanity!

I’ve heard it said that the thrill of romance Could be like a heavenly dream I go to bed with a prayer that you’ll make love to me, Strange and not to be trifled with as it seems

Someday we’ll meet and you’ll dry all my tears Then whisper sweet little things in my ear Hugging and a kissing — oh, what I’ve been missing - Lover man, oh, where can you be? Oh DOB man, oh, where can ye be?

The unknown poet…

By DonCoburleone

December 21, 2006 02:57 PM | Link to this

Does Melky Cabrera project to be a center fielder? If not, then why the he!! are we after him?

By MEB

December 21, 2006 02:59 PM | Link to this

DOB… must have missed the review of Jon “Boog” Sciambi. Glad to hear the glowing review, but did I also miss the explanation for the nickname Boog?

By DonCoburleone

December 21, 2006 03:04 PM | Link to this

My Predictions for the Braves and Mets 2007 Starting Rotations:

*BRAVES:

• Smoltz: 19-7, 3.36 ERA

• Hudson: 17-8, 3.57 ERA

• Hampton: 15-9, 3.74 ERA (I predict Hampton will struggle just a bit in the first half, and then turn it on after the break).

• James: 16-7, 3.47 ERA

• Davies: 13-10, 4.39 ERA

METS:

• Glavine: 16-8, 3.84 ERA

• O.Hernandez: 15-9, 4.04 ERA

• Maine: 14-9, 3.90 ERA

• Perez: 6-6, 4.89 ERA (He’ll make 17 starts, and will then be replaced by Pedro M. mid-way through season)

• Pedro Martinez: 8-6, 3.89 ERA (in 16 starts)

• If they sign Zito: 19-7, 3.63 ERA

• If they sign Jeff Suppan: 15-8, 3.97 ERA*

What f’in world are you livin in buddy? Have you seen the numbers in baseball over the last few years? Last year in the NL there was (I believe) 10 pitchers who had 15 or more wins last year… And you think that next year the Braves and Muts alone will produce 8? Haha, keep dreamin pal… And and e.r.a. of 3.57 for Hudson?

Wow, I mean I agree we should be optimistic, but you are clearly out in left field with these numbers…

By KC

December 21, 2006 03:10 PM | Link to this

Some of you may not have seen my predictions. Here they are again.

My Predictions for the Braves and Mets 2007 Starting Rotations:

BRAVES:

• Smoltz: 19-7, 3.36 ERA

• Hudson: 17-8, 3.57 ERA

• Hampton: 15-9, 3.74 ERA (I predict Hampton will struggle just a bit in the first half, and then turn it on after the break).

• James: 16-7, 3.47 ERA

• Davies: 13-10, 4.39 ERA

METS:

• Glavine: 16-8, 3.84 ERA

• O.Hernandez: 15-9, 4.04 ERA

• Maine: 14-9, 3.90 ERA

• Perez: 6-6, 4.89 ERA (He’ll make 17 starts, and will then be replaced by Pedro M. mid-way through season)

• Pedro Martinez: 8-6, 3.89 ERA (in 16 starts)

• If they sign Zito: 19-7, 3.63 ERA

• If they sign Jeff Suppan: 15-8, 3.97 ERA

The Mets will sign either Zito or Suppan, which will give them a decent rotation. IF/when Pedro comes back and regains his form, the Mets should have a very good rotation. Until then, I like the Braves rotation better… even if the Mets sign Zito.

If the Mets sign Zito, and Pedro comes back strong sometime around the break (though that’s far from a sure thing)… then which team has the best rotation at that point will depend largely on the performance of Hudson and Hampton next season. But overall, if the Mets sign Zito and you then asked me to choose between these two rotations… I would take Atlanta’s. I personally believe Hampton and Hudson will be solid, and I think most everyone’s comfortable about what we can expect from Smoltz and James. 1-4, I like Atlanta’s rotation better. Even with Zito and a healthy Pedro.

By DonCoburleone

December 21, 2006 03:11 PM | Link to this

As long as we get back pitching help for LaRoche, I really don’t care where he goes. To send him to Anaheim for Figgins and Kotchman is ridiculous, we don’t need more position players! If we make a trade with the Angels, we had better come away with at least one of the following: 1)Ervin Santana 2) Scot Shields 3) Joe Saunders… PERIOD!

By Lew

December 21, 2006 03:12 PM | Link to this

KC-Actually, Horacio had surgery while still in the minors. He was injured before his rookie season. It’s been ongoing.

By MBATL

December 21, 2006 03:15 PM | Link to this

David, I would guess that a guy who was the #4 prospect in baseball entering 2004, who has since accumulated a .301 obp in almost 1300 ab’s (and 249 strikeouts and a sub-par fielding percentage to boot), is on the verge of being a bust.

I really don’t know the guy that well, but based on the numbers and the fact that he’s arbitration-eligible, so is gonna make some real money in ‘07, he doesn’t seem like a really tasty piece of a LaRoche deal. Seems like Willy Aybar brings more to the table.

Maybe you know more about him than I do (likely!); my ‘analysis’ is just based on the numbers.

By DonCoburleone

December 21, 2006 03:22 PM | Link to this

KC, please stop with your predictions, they are ridiculous.

By Alan

December 21, 2006 03:30 PM | Link to this

For the past day-and-a-half, people are proposing preposterous trades. It’s fun, but it’s fantasy. If the Braves trade LaRoche, they’d better get a top-flight pitcher (Gonzalez definitely fits) along with a serviceable everyday player (either Duffy or Castillo would be fine) OR a top-flight leadoff hitter (B. Roberts is as good as there is available right now) and a pitching prospect (Penn would do nicely). The proposed trade with the Yankees is a joke. Melky Cabrera and Scott Proctor?! Are you serious? The Yankees’ players are always over-valued, and they almost never live up to their billing. Remember Ruben Rivera? Supposedly the Braves aren’t actively “shopping” LaRoche; he’s just their most “marketable commodity”; they’re not likely to sell him short, and that deal with the Yankees would do just that. I really think they should keep him - I think he’s on the verge of stardom - and he’s affordable. It makes little sense to trade him - unless they get more value in return. I would like to see something happen with the Devil Rays to bring Baldelli to Atlanta. He’d be an exciting addition and a fan favorite. But not at the expense of Chuck James. Never!

By KC

December 21, 2006 03:38 PM | Link to this

Here are my projections for the Braves starting 8 on offense in 2007:

Aybar - 2B -.328 BA, .410 OBP, 38 stolen bases, 119 runs

Renteria - SS - 16 HR, 87 RBI, .315 BA, 105 runs

Chipper Jones - 3B - 160 games, 48 HR, 126 RBK, .344 BA

Andruw Jones - CF - 65 HR, 145 RBI, .294 BA, 45 strikeouts (then he gives the Braves a hometown discount, signs for 3 years, $27 million plus another potential $3 million in performance incentives)

Brian McCann - C - 32 HR, 95 RBI, .368 BA, .440 OBP

Adam LaRoche - 1B - 44 HR, 120 RBI, .297 BA

Jeff Francouer - RF - 41 HR, 115 RBI, .305 BA, 60 strikeouts

Diaz/Langerhans - LF - 26 HR, 88 RBI, .285 BA

By KC

December 21, 2006 03:45 PM | Link to this

KC IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR 3:10 POST

I did not repeat my predictions. There is some ignorant dumbas$ here who thinks it’s really fun to take whatever I post and re-post it again and again, using my screen name.

By David O'Brien

December 21, 2006 03:47 PM | Link to this

Lew _ correct about Horacio. Lot of people don’t know or forget that he actually had Tommy John surgery while in the minors, couple years before reaching the majors.

That’s why it’s kinda funny to hear people complain that the Braves traded Horacio for “a guy who had serious elbow surgery” a couple of years ago (I’m paraphrasing, but that’s what a bunch of folks here said after the Braves traded for Soriano, who had Tommy John two years ago, missed the 2005 season, and came back and had 60 innings last season before getting hit in the noggin’ and missing the last month of the season. His DL stint last year was for a sore shoulder, elbow was fine, and he pitched well after returning from the July DL stint.

By KC

December 21, 2006 03:48 PM | Link to this

DonC:

I certainly don’t mind your disagreeing with my predictions… but I would like to see what you think we can look for out of the Braves/Mets rotations. What are your predictions?

By David O'Brien

December 21, 2006 03:48 PM | Link to this

MEB, nickname came from his red hair and facial resemblance to Boog Powell.

By David O'Brien

December 21, 2006 03:50 PM | Link to this

Thankless Heathen, obviously you care because you can’t pull yourself away from this here blog, son.

Oh, and have a bad Christmas.

By KC

December 21, 2006 03:50 PM | Link to this

KC did not make the 3:38 post either. It is, I assume the same idiot that keeps posting under my name.

By David O'Brien

December 21, 2006 03:52 PM | Link to this

Unnown poet, another Christmas alone, huh? Hey, cheer up, bucco, there’s a person out there for you. Someday, you’ll find it. Meantime, keep piling up the page hits here. It’s the holiday season. Ch-ching!

By KC

December 21, 2006 03:53 PM | Link to this

I need to correct a typo in the previous message, plus in case anybody didn’t see it, here are my offensive projections for the Braves starting 8 in 2007:

Aybar - 2B -.328 BA, .410 OBP, 38 stolen bases, 119 runs Renteria - SS - 16 HR, 87 RBI, .315 BA, 105 runs Chipper Jones - 3B - 160 games, 48 HR, 126 RBI, .344 BA Andruw Jones - CF - 65 HR, 145 RBI, .294 BA, 45 strikeouts (then he gives the Braves a hometown discount, signs for 3 years, $27 million plus another potential $3 million in performance incentives) Brian McCann - C - 32 HR, 95 RBI, .368 BA, .440 OBP Adam LaRoche - 1B - 44 HR, 120 RBI, .297 BA Jeff Francouer - RF - 41 HR, 115 RBI, .305 BA, 60 strikeouts Diaz/Langerhans - LF - 26 HR, 88 RBI, .285 BA

By R Varnell

December 21, 2006 03:53 PM | Link to this

I am a Mississippi Braves fan… I have loved Andrew J as much or more than most of you, BUT we must be realistic about losing him after 2007. That said, souldn’t JS be moving him now to a team who can sign….Like NYY for Cabrera, Proctor and another good prospect?????? Or Cubs for Murton, F Pie & prospect. Or LA Dodgers for Ethier,Billingsly and another 2B prospect????? I just feel that LaRoache is a 4,5 or 6 hitter for the Braves for next 5 yrs. Like I said at beginning, I would prefer Andruw BUT…$$$$$$$. Look forward to comments. Mississippi Braves fan

By David O'Brien

December 21, 2006 03:55 PM | Link to this

Donc, I’m told Cabrera has enough range and a great arm and could play center field (has played it some already)

By Lew

December 21, 2006 03:55 PM | Link to this

Stinky-You’re still a Whiny Little Jerk.

By David O'Brien

December 21, 2006 03:58 PM | Link to this

Scoots, newspaper stiffs in Georgia have no union.

By JohnGTFan

December 21, 2006 04:04 PM | Link to this

Andruw is not going anywhere. Scott Boras will not let him void his trade veto power in the last year of his contract…knowing he’ll make A-Rod/Manny money. The only way he would waive it, is if it’s somewhere warm (LA), and they give him an extension he wants in advance! That being said, I don’t think a club is willing to do that right now. They will all play the bidding game like with Alfonso Soriano this year…except much more dollars. Andruw will be a Brave for 2007, and we’ll get nothing. Sad to say, but nature of the beast…unless there is devine intervention, and Andruw fires Boras and takes a hometown discount. Ok, out of never never land now, back to reality.

By JohnGTFan

December 21, 2006 04:06 PM | Link to this

KC Loved those projections…MLB 2007 on PS3? XBOX?

By KC

December 21, 2006 04:08 PM | Link to this

I did not post the 3:53 post.

Gotta run… please know that if there are any other posts supposedly from KC, they are not from me. Later ya’ll!

By rammerjammer

December 21, 2006 04:10 PM | Link to this

This was written in July by the Pirates’ beat writer on their Web site, regarding Castillo:

“Castillo, in my opinion, has been one of the Bucs’ biggest disappointments this year, if only because I truly thought that he would emerge as one of the top all-around second basemen in the game. If anything, he’s taken a step backwards both offensively and defensively.”

And for those who maintain Wilson Betemit was “too big” to play second base, here’s a quote from the Pirates’ manager, Jim Tracy, regarding Castillo:

“One thing I wonder about is he’s a bigger player than he was over the course of the last couple of years,” said Tracy. “He’s a big man. Period. He’s big. He’s not heavy. He’s becoming a big man. A big, powerful-looking man.”

So, we have an oversized second baseman swinging for the fences and faltering on the field, and who the manager feels has eaten/lifted his way out of a position.

Surely we can do better.

By JasonInMaine

December 21, 2006 04:12 PM | Link to this

From the Bucco Blog from last night:

I see the Post-Gazette has finally picked up on Littlefield’s desire for Jeff Suppan. Bucco Blog told you December 11th he was Littlefield’s #1 target. I was of the opinion then - and I still am - that Suppan would be a great addition, but I wouldn’t sign him.

The reason for that is because Littlefield is going to turn around and deal a starter.. probably Maholm to the Braves for LaRoche, with Castillo and McLouth, like we have been telling you since the winter meetings the Braves want us to do. Hopefully he will trade Maholm in a package to the Angels for Kotchman and his gold glove D and line-to-line bat instead.

I’d rather keep Maholm myself (instead of the LaRoche deal but I would take Kotchman) and put the money into the bank to take the best draft choice next year, or sign a better player for a few years off free agency in 2008, or the like.

Regards, Jason

By OakwoodBravesFan

December 21, 2006 04:13 PM | Link to this

Hey, if we need a second baseman, maybe we can trade with SD for Marcus Giles. Whadya think? lol

By Jim FRom WORK

December 21, 2006 04:20 PM | Link to this

Braves fans need that h oly sh it trade that makes the holidays seem more bright

By john

December 21, 2006 04:38 PM | Link to this

If the Braves get either Chris Ray or the Pittsburgh closer to go along with Bob Wickman, Rafael Soriano, Macay Mcbride and a healthy Blaine Boyer,and Oscar Villarreal then the pitching staff becomes so good that the lose of Adam Laroche want be as bad. We don’t need a center fielder we have one we just need to get the ownership problem straighten out so that we can resign Andrew Jones. With Edgar Renteria batting leadoff we will be O.K., he will be more like Marquis Grissom as a leadoff batter than a Rafael Furcal style leadoff batter. The two real problems is can Chipper Jones stay healthy and can Kelley Johnson play second base. If Chipper get hurt again it could cost us the division again, if he does it may be time to get some prospects for him . Chris Woodward give us an upgrade as a utility player. We should stay put after the Adam LaRoche deal for a closer is done until after spring training. If we need something else at that time we can go for it then.

By OakwoodBravesFan

December 21, 2006 04:38 PM | Link to this

On ESPN.com today:

Scott Boras: “J.D. is healthy,” (In his unbiased opinion).

Do you suppose JD is really healthy and Boston is just getting cold feet about that ridiculous contract they gave him?

By kdbanks

December 21, 2006 04:40 PM | Link to this

eware,

I think Marcus Giles proved last year that not anyone can be a leadoff hitter. It does require a certain mindset at least, which is put the ball in play, don’t strikeout, work the count, etc. It takes a smart ballplayer, at least, to recognize the differences in batting in each spot. But we do have guys on the team right now (McCann, Renteria, Diaz, Langerhans) that could fit the bill if needed.

By james

December 21, 2006 04:45 PM | Link to this

DOB, what do you think of this trade: Laroche to the Orioles for Ray and Penn. Then turn around and send Soriono/Ray (Soriono preferably)+ Escobar/Salty+Davies to the D-Rays for Baldelli.

By OakwoodBravesFan

December 21, 2006 04:53 PM | Link to this

From Atlantabraves.com - A couple of updates from winter ball:

Oscar Villarreal, RHP — Villarreal continues to dominate out of the bullpen this winter. He’s held opponents scoreless in his last nine appearances and has allowed runners to score just once in 12 total games. The right-hander currently has a 1.54 ERA and four saves.

Willy Aybar, 3B — Aybar continues to hit well in the Dominican Republic, batting .304 in 35 games.

DOB: Is Hampton still throwing in a winter league?

By Brooklyn Braves Brawler

December 21, 2006 05:05 PM | Link to this

From Sportsline.com

JS and Bobby talking about how confident they are in the team they have currently put together.

http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/story/9884772/2

I’m glad they are feeling good. I’m a little sick about it myself.

By dee will

December 21, 2006 05:13 PM | Link to this

If I was the GM this is some trades I would try to accomplish. First I would try a three way trade with the Devil Rays and Orioles. The Orioles would receive Laroche. The Devil Rays would get Chris Ray and Kyle Davies. And Finally the braves would receive Hayden Penn and Rocco Baldelli. With that trade the Braves would get a future young pitching stud and a very young and good leadoff hitter and future center fielder. In 2008 we are still going to have a Jones in the outfield (Brandon Jones). Who I believe would be a Brave for a long time. Next I would trade with the A’S for Dan Haren. I would send Jarrod Salty, Diaz, and Van Pope. I would keep Yunel Escobar unless one of the teams I dealing with wants him. But during later in the year I would try to trade him and Lance Cormier at the trading deadline. Here is my 2007 Braves team.

Starting pitchers

1.Smoltz

2.Hudson

3.Hampton

4.Haren

5.James

Bullpen

lrp.Villareal

mr.Yates

mr.Devine

mr.Boyer

su.Mcbride

su.Soriano

cl.Wickman

Hitting Lineup

1.LF Baldelli

2.SS Renteria

3.3B Chipper

4.CF Andruw

5.C McCann

6.RF Francoeur

7.2B Johnson and Prado platoon

8.1B Thorman

Bench

C. B.Pena

1B. Woodward

INF. Aybar

INF. Prado

OF. Langerhans of Gregor Blanco

By Big Daddy

December 21, 2006 05:14 PM | Link to this

Mark Loretta is still out there if the Braves are still unsure about second. Loretta made $3.25 mil last year and $2.75 in 2005. Could he be gotten for $2.5 right now? Could be; after all he is 35.

He is a solid player, hits near .300 and his BB/K ratio is almost 1/1 over 12 years. Very good. Although he’s not fast he does have a career OBP of .363.

Other than that I see nothing wrong with going into the season with the present team. The platoon of Langerhans and Diaz produced very well last year and there is every reason to believe Langerhans will not improve at the plate.

Of course if the Braves can still get Baldelli for three youngsters (without James) then I’d like to see them pull the trigger on that one. I still can’t come to terms with the idea that Pittsburgh’s lefty reliever Gongalez is worth LaRoche, straight up. Carbrera for LaRoche? No, I would not do that one either. Baldelli will solve two problems (I think) better than Cabrera.

A throw away thought: Can anyone imagine what Florida’s Cabrera is going to bring on the open market two years from now? That cat is going to get a lot of money. He hits for both average and power and he can run.

He will be 25 next year and will be a free agent prior to the 2009 season.

4 year stats.

HR 104, RBI 404, BB 243 K’S 465, BA .311, OBP, .384 SKG .535.

His weakness is his glove. So far he has a fielding Avg. of .967 but at third his FA is only .955 and that’s not good. He is still going to cost someone a ton of money. He’s something of a head job knowing he’s going to make all that money in a couple of years. No wonder he’s a problem for his manager. Tough to manage, doesn’t like to listen.

As for Braves I think they are set to go right now. I still believe Kelly Johnson could well wind up at second when they break camp.

By NEGA Braves Fan

December 21, 2006 05:34 PM | Link to this

Gotta hunch that signing Woodward, MIGHT pave the way to trade LaRoche (although I would really hate to see that)move Chipper to first - spelled on occasion by Thorman - and insert Aybar everyday at 3B and batting lead off.

Let’s see what happens.

As I said I would hate to see LaRoche go, but if we could get Gonzalez … what a wicked back end of the bullpen we would have!

Or if we were to get Cabrera and another arm, that would really shore up the OF and give some insurance for when AJ moves away to his “big time” contract.

By David O'Brien

December 21, 2006 05:47 PM | Link to this

NEGA, not saying you’re wrong, but I asked Bobby, point-blank, at the Winter Meetings about Chipper and first base, he said not discussed, and then I said, “So Chipper will be back at third base, at least for this season,” and he said, “Absolutely.”

We just got back from “Rocky Balboa,” and I gotta admit, I really liked it. If Stallone had just done Rocky, Rocky II and this one, he’d have had a helluva great trilogy. The other movies were garbage, but this one goes back to those first two, in terms of straight-ahead story, not ridiculousness of Drago or any of that cheap schlock. It’s good. Really is. Not great, but definitely good.

By David O'Brien

December 21, 2006 05:49 PM | Link to this

Oakwood, Hampton only made a start or two in Instructional League in Florida, as planned. That was it. Just to throw in game before shutting it down for winter. Didn’t pitch any winter-league ball.

By john

December 21, 2006 05:54 PM | Link to this

Here is my team when the braves break camp. 1. SS Edgar Renteria 15 60 300 2. 2B Kelley Johnson 10 50 270 3. 3B chipper Jones 30 90 310 4. CF Andrew Jones 45 120 265 5. C Brian McCann 30 100 300 6. RF Jeff Francoeur 35 105 265 7. 1B Scott Thorman 20 65 250 8. LF Matt Diaz 10 60 315 9. C Bryan Pena 10 1B Chris Woodward 11.2B Martin Prado 12.SS Pete Orr 13.3B Willy Aybar 14.LF Ryan Langerhans 15. P John Smoltz 18 8 325 16. p Mike Hampton 15 7 378 17. P Tim Hudson 17 10 390 18. P Chuck James 16 9 334 19. P Kyle Davies 12 7 415 20.RP Oscar VIllarreal 21.RP Macay Mcbride 22.RP Blaine Boyer 23 RP Rafeal Soriano 7th inning 24.RP Mike Gonzalez 35 HOlds 25.RP Bob Wickman 35 saves

If there in an injury to a starting pitcher Lance Cormier

If threr is an injury in the bullpen Tyler Yates If the Braves go 13 and 12 then Tyler Yates will be in the bullpen.

The Braves also signed Tanyon Sturtze as a bullpen upgrade but will not be healthy opening day.

Ryan Langerhans played the second half of the season with a broke hand, he could have a break out year.

If the Braves go 13 regulars and 12 pitchers Pete Orr could be the odd man out, but watch an injury to a catcher because he is also the emergency catcher.

John Malone, one of Liberty Media’s owners, told the Braves front office that once he closed the deal to buy the Braves that he wants all the players back. He is the man with the big money so there would have to be a budget increase. That is why I think that Andruw Jones will be back after next year.

Liberty Media is haveing trouble trying to complete the tax free stock swap with Time Warner. It was supposed to be completed by the end of November so Davie what is the problem with the sale and will it be completed before the start of the regular season?

By MBATL

December 21, 2006 06:04 PM | Link to this

Good predictions, john. I think we gotta be prepared for Diaz not batting .315; McCann hitting more like .280 (but I doubted him last year and was wrong); and I’d put Edgar at closer to .280.

And Smoltz, Hampton, James and Hudson all under 4.0? I hope so!

But all-in-all, I agree with you. If you’re close to right, we’ll have a good year.

By Maine Braves Fan

December 21, 2006 06:04 PM | Link to this

Hey BRONX BRAVE. I agree with your trade purposal. I would do the deal for to the Angels. I would love to have Figgins and Kotchman. It would benifit both teams. I dont like the Pirates deal unless we only give up Laroche and Davies. The angels deal is the only one I would do if I was the braves. I dont like trading out starting pitching when we havent even seen how hampton is doing and if he has fully recoverd from surgery. So dont trade any pitching because in my opinion we cant afford it.

By Rick Roberts

December 21, 2006 06:12 PM | Link to this

Woodward was a great add—RH batter at 1B for an option and utility IF. Will probably mean Prado to Richmond. KJohnson will do just fine at 2B—if you can play SS, you can play 2B plus, he can really hit. Don’t want Castilla—have you seen him play 2B? Getting Gonzalez with another player makes the most sense. Still need to trade AJ to LAA. Young arms to trade for are CJWilson and Hayden Penn.

By john

December 21, 2006 06:19 PM | Link to this

Hi MBATL I siad what I did about McCann’s average because he was hitting over 300 most of the season and wore out. you know the year before he was not a starter so that is what I said about McCans=n and the same about Edgar. Hampton might be a reach because of his time off. Hudsin is on an endurance program to help his stamina, but I think his problem was three pitching coaches in three years.

Last year was just an off year they did not play Bobby Cox ball with the up grades the the bullpin he should not have to worry about not winning #15 next season. If Bob Wickman had of been on the Braves at the beginnign of the season last year we would be talking about 16 division championships.

I cabt wait for the regular season next year because I think the Braves will have one one thing in mind an that is getting back to the world series.

I am out of here gone to get some supper I will talk tp all of you latter

Thank

By Lew

December 21, 2006 06:21 PM | Link to this

MaineBravesFan-If LaRoche is traded to Pittsburgh for Gonzalez and Castillo (or whomever), our bullpen will be so good that the starters will only need to go five innings. Tis should save Smoltz’s arm, not tax Hampton, make Hudson all the more effective and save innings for James development and Davies, who is coming off a severe injury. I don’t see how this could be anything but beneficial for the Braves. Whoever plays second can lead off. With the pitching staff set up like that, we can score a few less runs and stil beat the Mets and everyone else in the league.

By Thankless Heathen

December 21, 2006 06:22 PM | Link to this

Mr O’Brien, Don’t be such a Scrooge. Tis the season and all that. Cha-Ching. LOL. Merry Christmas. Happy New Year. Its really going to be OK. Tower Record went out of business right at the best time of year. You really raked the tunes in. Cha-Ching. And you don’t have to mess with any sick pets or anything, so Don’t Worry, Be Happy. I’ll still be dropping in throughout the holidays to bring, Cha-Ching, good cheer.

By tvsportscaster

December 21, 2006 06:26 PM | Link to this

Again, I have it on good authority that the Braves have no interest in Casey Kotchman, they already have him on the team, his name is Scott Thorman, why in the world would they duplicate a position. If LaRoche is traded, they will more than likely try to sign a righthanded hitting backup for First Base, someone like a Craig Wilson.

By Lew

December 21, 2006 06:30 PM | Link to this

Stinky-You’re still a Whiny Little Jerk.

By Burgh Braves fan

December 21, 2006 06:46 PM | Link to this

As a Braves fan living in Pittsburgh and watching the mess that is the Pirates organization on a daily basis, I think I can offer some firsthand knowledge about the players involved in all these LaRoche-to-the-Bucs rumors.

First of all, Gonzalez is a stud but closed for less than one year for a team that was out of the race by mid-May. Let’s not compare him to Mariano Rivera or any of the elite closers just yet.

Meanwhile, Castillo is an absolute dog. He is a streaky hitter (most of the streaks bad, by the way) with OK. He strikes out a ton and rivals Frenchy for the title of National League’s least patient hitter. He seemed to be a solid defender in 2005, but regressed big time in ‘06. Castillo’s laziness helped him fall out of favor with the Pirates and their fans — as did his all-too-frequent mental lapses in games. If I were the Braves, I’d laugh every time the guy’s name was brought up in trade talks.

Duffy isn’t much better. Big time attitude problem who pouted after an early season demotion last year and refused to report to the minors. Had phenomenal numbers in limited late-season duty in 2005 and was handed the job last year in spring training. Played his way ot of a job in about a month after being unable his weight. Them came the aforementioned temper tantrum. After he finally reported to the minors, he hit so well the Bucs had almost no choice but to recall him. Outside of one great September afternoon game at Wrigley Field, however, he was nothing special the final month of the season. Defensively he appears solid (though any center fielder will pale in comparison to Andruw), but I doubt he’ll be an elite glove guy. I say pass on him, too.

Frankly, there aren’t many Buccos worth taking — no matter how much GM Dave Littlefield wants to overvalue his guys. I’m not a big Maholm fan, either. Of the young pitchers they’ve got, Duke and Snell seem to be the studs and Burnett was filthy before getting hurt a couple years ago.

I think the Braves should hold out for a lot more for LaRoche. I’d do Figgins/Kotchman straight up or some package including Ray/Penn/Roberts. Otherwise, keep Adam and hope his progess continues.

That’s my two cents.

By Rod Johnson

December 21, 2006 06:47 PM | Link to this

Metropolitan Man needs either a spell checker… or maybe less Guiness. :D

By Whiny Little Jerk

December 21, 2006 06:53 PM | Link to this

It’s just a stupid bravesblog—nobody gives a good shi t about ‘page hit”—Ch Ching! Your as$cheeks slap together again!

By David

December 21, 2006 06:59 PM | Link to this

You know, I can stand for a lot of stuff during these discussion, DOB, but criticism of Rocky III and Rocky IV is just too much. I challenge you to a duel, sirrah!

By The Grinch

December 21, 2006 07:01 PM | Link to this

Howdy, all. Sorry I didn’t respond to earlier comments but I left right after my last post. I see little has changed, though. Lew, I know someone going to pick up a new set of 301’s tommorrow morning, and he couldn’t be happier. Jimmy Smith, you’re wrong for interrupting a transition by eating my cake. Damn you, sir.

By David O'Brien

December 21, 2006 07:02 PM | Link to this

Well, alrighty then. From ‘Burg Braves Fan’s evaluation, sounds like Atlanta should be thrilled if the Braves trade for Castillo and/or Duffy, don’t ya think?

By Thankless Heathen

December 21, 2006 07:08 PM | Link to this

Whiny Little Jerk, I’m sorry I offended you. DOB seems to like to use that line. I was just playing along. Trying to be friendly. LOL. Have a good day. You too, Mr. O”Brien.

By David O'Brien

December 21, 2006 07:08 PM | Link to this

Lew, Merry Christmas. Wouldn’t you want to slap him around, just once (can’t use names or anything here, or even hints, because you know what he’d do, right?

Sad little lonely man. Never have seen someone with so little going on be so self-absorbed. No Braves talk with him, no music talk, just … well, absolute drivel, same tired, unfunny, mocking. Wow. Unwavering. Imagine what a success he’d be if that dedication were actually applied to something worthwhile.

Oh, well. Thanks again for visiting the blog that you partly “own,” sad boy (didn’t you say a few days ago that you’re part “owner” of it? that was good.

By David O'Brien

December 21, 2006 07:10 PM | Link to this

David, are you going to see the new one? Guarantee you’ll like it. OK, not guarantee. But I’ll bet you do.

By David O'Brien

December 21, 2006 07:14 PM | Link to this

oh, and again, loser’s wrong (imagine that). loser, they actually do count page hits and blog responses, by the week. you’ve seriously help jack up the total for quite some time, especially during the slower periods, like weekends or the holidays, where a lot of people have real-life things like family and friends. You’re the one constant, so that’s good.

By DonCoburleone

December 21, 2006 07:28 PM | Link to this

Gotta hunch that signing Woodward, MIGHT pave the way to trade LaRoche (although I would really hate to see that)move Chipper to first - spelled on occasion by Thorman - and insert Aybar everyday at 3B and batting lead off.

NEGA Braves Fan, that is a hell of a thought and it does make ALOT of sense if you ask me. I don’t think moving Chipper to 1B would completely end his injury problem, but it would help. And I really believe Aybar can be an everday player in this league… .308BA and .385OBP in the DOMINICAN winter league, that is easily the most competetive winter league of them all… Give him a shot!

By Earl

December 21, 2006 07:34 PM | Link to this

I think Schuerholz will once again pull off a trade none of us have thought of; it’s the way it always seems to happen. As far as rumored trades, Laroche for Figgins and Kotchman still makes the most sense to me. (Get a leadoff hitter with speed who can play second and a hitter with potential to replace Laroche, plus still letting Diaz play).

Also, thanks for all your work on the blog, Dave, and Merry Christmas.

By Thankless Heathen

December 21, 2006 07:34 PM | Link to this

Cha-Ching. Dob, I’m doing something called multitasking. Right now, I’m cooking dinner, drinking a beer, reading other websites, talking with Mrs. Stinky, watching a very beautiful young lady play with the family cat, and reading your drivel. So how’s the vacation going? I know that single adults without families of their own often travel to be with their more well rounded and successful siblings to escape the sadness that is their lives. How was your flight?

By BraveGator

December 21, 2006 07:49 PM | Link to this

Just piggybacking on what DOB said about Boog Sciambi. For those of you who haven’t heard him, he’s good. You’ll be happy with him. I had the opportunity to work for him as an intern at 560 WQAM in Miami several years ago. He was a really good guy, a skilled speaker and a thoroughly prepared raido personality. He’s been in the booth both with the Marlins and part-time with ESPN recently, and he has obviously been a success. I expect him to be nothing short of a that with the Braves.

By DonCoburleone

December 21, 2006 07:50 PM | Link to this

Come on DOB!

“We just got back from “Rocky Balboa,” and I gotta admit, I really liked it. If Stallone had just done Rocky, Rocky II and this one, he’d have had a helluva great trilogy. The other movies were garbage, but this one goes back to those first two, in terms of straight-ahead story, not ridiculousness of Drago or any of that cheap schlock. It’s good. Really is. Not great, but definitely good.”

DOB, you gotta be kidding me… Rocky II was nowhere near Rocky 3 or 4. The last 30 minutes of Rocky II was the only good part of that movie… All the drama with Adrian (who is more annoying in Rocky II than any other of the Rocky’s). Then there is Rocky himself working in a butcher shop and then at Mick’s gym, totally bumming me out for the majority of the film. Plus, the dual knock-down at the end was super cheesy… Now, Rocky III was awesome. There was Mr. T, who played his role as a crazed, Mike Tyson type fighter perfectly. There were surprises all over the place (Rocky fighting Hulk Hogan, Mick dying just before he fought Clubber Lang, Appollo coming to Rocky’s aid and training him). Waaaaay better than Rocky II. Now, Rocky 4 is better because having Rocky single-handedly take down communist Russia, does it get any better than that? Appollo dying in Rocky’s arms as Drago coldly looks at him and replys, “if he dies, he dies.” Man, I was ready to kick that Russian’s a$$ when I saw that part… Training sequence was better in Rocky IV than in Rocky II also… Rocky II was a great movie, but slightly less entertaining than 3 and 4… Oh, and I know we can agree on this DOB, there WAS NO Rocky V…

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

December 21, 2006 07:50 PM | Link to this

Well, first of all, there is no way in hell JS would trade LaRoche AND Davies for Gonzales, McLeuth, and Castillo. No way that trade is made. Now, if the Bucs (as posted on Bucs blog) would give Maholms, Castillo, and McLeuth for LaRoche I see JS doing it and then possibly giving into the Rays and flipping James for Baldelli. I do see that possibly happening. I wouldn’t necessarily do it, but I could see it.

I do wish the Braves could get Baldelli but on the Braves terms. It has been said by many (myself included) that James is untouchable. Well, I have to change that stance a bit. I wouldn’t say he is that untouchable. Here’s a possible scenario. The Braves go ahead and make the deal for Baldelli and include James but only include Escobar, while leaving Salty out of the deal. The Braves then offer Salty and LaRoche to the O’s for either Bedard or Loeween and Ray or Penn. If the O’s agree to the trade I would then think very heavily about giving up James because either Bedard or Loeween are as good as James. No, there numbers may not reflect that but they didn’t exactly pitch on a good team. Now, I imagine the O’s would say no to Ray if they had to give up Loeween or Bedard but that is fine. The Devil Rays keep saying that its Escobar and James who they want well they would have them. The Braves would have lets say Bedard and Penn. Bedard takes James spot in the rotation and Penn joins Cormier, Harrison, and Johnson as insurance in case anything happens to the starters. The Braves could sign Craig Wilson to platoon with Thorman at 1st like they planned on doing last year with LaRoche. Kelly Johhsnon would get the nod at 2B with Aybar, Langerhans, Woodward, and B. Pena on the bench. Diaz could be packaged in a trade to either get a lefty for the pen or simply to get a couple of prospects (hopefully a pitcher) to stock the minors.

The rotation would be: Hudson, Hampton, Smoltz, Bedard or Loweween, and Davies. The pen: Wickman, Soriano, McBride, Boyer, Villereal, Yates or Paronto, and a lefty picked up via trade or fa signing.

The lineup: Baldelli, Renteria, C. Jones, A. Jones, McCann, Francoeur, Thorman/C. Wilson, K. Johnson

That is my two cents and I know….it is all its worth.

By Nelson Hawkins

December 21, 2006 08:06 PM | Link to this

$88 million may seem similar to $80 million on paper, but with that much extra to work with the Bravos likely would have landed their (reportedly) sole free-agent target, Tom “National (League)Labor Relations” Glavine. Sure, the Giles/HoRam moves would’ve still been necessary (or just prudent), but they wouldn’t have had the immediacy to try to clear payroll by the time Glav’s self-imposed deadline arrived. Additionally, while the Braves won the season series against the Redbirds, the postseason is correctly called the “second season” because all bets related to the regular season are off—it takes something special (and a heapin’ helpin’ of luck) for a team to advance through October’s Valley of the Shadow of Death into The Promised Land of Braggin’ Rights, and the Braves ain’t had it in a long time (“long” relative to their own success, not others’).

By The Grinch

December 21, 2006 08:08 PM | Link to this

DonC, your take on the whole Rocky series is virtually identical to Bill Simmons (the Sports Guy) on ESPN. I was actually gonna post his review of all 5 (though he says 5 never happened either) and then his new review of the current one. It’s all hilarious. I may do it later; right now there’s a football game on. Two, actually.

By Thankless Heathen

December 21, 2006 08:17 PM | Link to this

DonC, I have to agree with you. Rocky III and Rocky IV were gems. Mr. T, Hulk Hogan, and Dolph Lungren all slain in the ring by the Italian Stallion. Good Stuff.

By David

December 21, 2006 08:23 PM | Link to this

DOB, I actually review movies for a living, so I’ll definitely be seeing it in the next couple of days. I have to tip my cap to Stallone. After Rocky V, the franchise looked dead and when this project was announced, it seemed like a laughing stock. It sounds like he’s pulled it off, though. Rocky Balboa at 78% fresh at Rotten Tomatoes right now. Most people have grown to associate the franchise more with Hulk Hogan, Mr. T and Dolph Lundgren, so they have forgotten (or may not even realize) the first film was an Academy Award winner. I’m impressed Stallone managed to redeem the franchise after the abomination that was Rocky V.

By TheSouthernJackAss

December 21, 2006 08:25 PM | Link to this

DOB—He gets on a plane, he goes on ‘vacation’, but he’s still in here putting down anyone and everyone that is just trying to have a little fun, or those that don’t agree with his every word—He tells people to talk baseball or music, then in the next keystroke he bemoans the fact that there’s nothing interesting going on in baseball and that it’s all been talked into oblivion already—What’s with this AS$Clown anyhow??…He’s damn full of himself!—DOB says alot of people have real-life things like family and friends on the holidays instead of his weak blog, guess DOB just isn’t one of those lucky people huh? Because his sorry as$ is here 24/7…and that’s also a constant!…so DOB, you can make another grand entrance now and call me those cute little juvenile names and tell me how downtrodden my miserable my life is…but you have no affect on me whatsoever joker!…You’ve proven yourself to be no better than the worst in this blog, including your monkey boy Stinky!!!…Ch..Ching!!!…

By Lost in the Rain in Juarez

December 21, 2006 08:31 PM | Link to this

Taking nominations for greatest movie of all time.

Me first: “The Wild Bunch”

“If they move, kill ‘em!”

No further explanation necessary.

By Sad But True

December 21, 2006 08:46 PM | Link to this

Let’s be honest: If any of us had real lives, would we be here?

By The Grinch

December 21, 2006 08:57 PM | Link to this

Lost, you have excellent taste in movies. Pekinpah was the Scorcese of westerns, before Scorcese ever got out of high school.

By Jeff

December 21, 2006 09:04 PM | Link to this

Braves should sign sammy sosa to a deal, he is cheap and he will have pop in his bat

By Stinky

December 21, 2006 09:07 PM | Link to this

SJA, Don’t be bitter about finishing 2ND. Really, you did have some good moments.

Sad But True, DOB has a life. He sees lots of concerts with people 20 years younger than himself. He goes to “record stores” and buys up really fab albums. He used to have a sick pet that his then-wife would stay up with till all hours of the night. (Pets are much trendier than silly old kids, you know.) She left him for the bright lights of the big city, but they’re still friends. And this year, his big brother said he could sit at the grown-up table. What do you mean DOB doesn’t have a life?

By Mitchie-san

December 21, 2006 09:08 PM | Link to this

DOB, Since there is obvioulsy a hold up with the Baldelli trade, do you think it will happen? What else could we offer to make it happen? as far as I can tell, outside of James, we got nothing they want. Sounds like we should stop hoping.

By MEB

December 21, 2006 09:13 PM | Link to this

Grinch… how about them uniforms on them Ducks? The Oregon Ducks can choose from four colors of jerseys and pants: green, yellow, white and black. Three helmet options: Green, white, and the new yellow one they are wearing tonight. Then there are four colors of socks and two colors of shoes. 384 possible combinations. Having Nike’s co-founder Phil Knight as an alumni is paying dividends. Not helping them beat BYU so far. ;)

By TheSouthernJackoff

December 21, 2006 09:19 PM | Link to this

“C’mon baby!! Faster!! Faster!!” (Hits side of TV)

“Damn DirecTV!! It’s just a little rain!! I paid twelve bucks for this!! Ah, there we go.”

“ooooh, aaaah” (switches hands) “C’mon baby, c’mon baby, YES!!! YES!!! YES!!! AHHHHHHHHH!!!”

“Thank god for UFC on PPV.”

By David O'Brien

December 21, 2006 09:32 PM | Link to this

DonC, not kidding you. I really did think III and IV were bad movies, dude. Sorry, but the Drago thing was so laughably bad it was almost (but not quite) good. Funny in an absurd way, but not good.

I can, however, see why you’d think they were good. In a sort of ironic, schmaltzy way, of course. Right?

Anyway, the new one’s good, the first one was great.

By TheSouthernJackAss

December 21, 2006 09:35 PM | Link to this

Damn! DOB was right!…Hell!…I’m missin’ TNA rasslin’—maybe I can still ketch UFC Unleashed—and next week ol’ Chuck Liddell is goin’ to kick Tito Ortiz’ a$s!!!…Golly Gee!..Gee Whiz!!…

By David O'Brien

December 21, 2006 09:35 PM | Link to this

Funniest line of the night, the week, the month: …”talking with Mrs. Stinky, watching a very beautiful young lady play with the family cat, and reading your drivel.”

Uh, where to begin. Oh, nevermind….

But I am glad I’m so deep in your little noggin’, that you make me part of your rich life. Flight was good.

By TheSouthernJackass

December 21, 2006 09:45 PM | Link to this

Who picked you up at the airport? Oh yeah, nobody!! HAHAHA

I am a Jackass, plain and simple!!

Oh the humanity!!

By MEB

December 21, 2006 09:50 PM | Link to this

Grinch!!! How about them Thrashers! Lehtonen shut down the Penguins and Syd the Kid in the shoot-out.

By The Grinch

December 21, 2006 09:58 PM | Link to this

MEB, I haven’t even checked out the bowl game yet; been mesmerized by “what might be Farve’s last start at Lambeau…blah, blah, blah.” It’s actually a rather boring game, but for those who care and don’t get the NFL network, Farve still has it. He just threw 31 times in the 1st half and most of them were on the money and hard. Unfortunately, his recieving corps is worse than the Falcons’ and that’s scant praise. But yeah, the Ducks have come out in some funky-a$$ combinations in the past. I’ll flip over in a bit and give ‘em a watch. Getting short shrift from the Mormons, huh?

DOB, looks like you’re being tag-teamed tonight. Never mind, that didn’t sound right. That 7th screwdriver’s starting to get to me. You got to check out Simmons’ reviews, in order. I’ll link ‘em in a bit.

By TheSouthernJackAss

December 21, 2006 10:03 PM | Link to this

JackAss Envy at 9:45 P.M…..

By Josh

December 21, 2006 10:03 PM | Link to this

Schuerholz: Row, row, row your boat/gently down the stream/merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily… Cox: Where are we going? Schuerholz: We’re going to the bottom of the free agent barrel and see how cheap, mediocre ball teams are made. Now anybody who doesn’t wanna go can get off right here. Cox: I wanna go home to my mommy. Schuerholz: [slaps Cox, points to the rest of the bench] Stupid kid! Come on sing everyone! Sing or I’ll go home and kill all your mommies, sing, sing! Schuerholz: [kids reluctantly sing] … gently down the stream/merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily,/ life is quite a dream!

By TheSouthernJackAss

December 21, 2006 10:30 PM | Link to this

That’s it. DOB, you will be glad to know that this time I’m officially bowing out. Not only do I detest your mundane rants and music blather, not to mention the way the ugandan journalist moron sniffs your bunghole as if you were a couple of hounds, but now someone is mimicking me. I know I said it before but this time I mean it. I will NEVER post on this pathetic blog again. To DOB and his band of losers, I bid you adieu.

By ssiscribe

December 21, 2006 10:37 PM | Link to this

MEB and Grinch, indeed, a great game tonight. I can’t stand Sid the Kid, so I wanted to scream and hurl my beer bottle across the room when he scored late in the third.

But the Thrashers got it done in OT and in the shootout. If Kari’s healthy, we’ve gotta chance in any game, in any series.

Now, baseball … No way the Braves should trade LaRoche, plain and simple. No way the Braves should include Chuck James in the Tampa Bay Baldelli deal that’s been rumored. James is untouchable, and LaRoche should be, too.

I’m outta here. Merry Christmas to all of you regulars out here. The haters need to get a life. May I suggest some soul-searching this holiday season for you sad souls?

Spring training is less than two months away. Let’s rejoice over that, and about the great game we love so much, baseball.

Selah. The Scribe, and baseball and BBQ and music, abide.

Peace. —30—

By Josh

December 21, 2006 10:40 PM | Link to this

DOB I think you should make up some wild rumor. At least we’d have something to talk about. Any truth to the Andruw and Laroche for Melkey and A-Rod rumor?

By TheSouthernJackAss

December 21, 2006 10:44 PM | Link to this

Not going to be that easy Mr. 10:30 P.M. JackAss envy boy!!!…

By TheSouthernJackass

December 21, 2006 10:51 PM | Link to this

More JackAss envy at 10:44…

By TheSouthernJackass

December 21, 2006 11:05 PM | Link to this

This was not me:

By TheSouthernJackAss

December 21, 2006 09:35 PM | Link to this

Damn! DOB was right!…Hell!…I’m missin’ TNA rasslin’—maybe I can still ketch UFC Unleashed—and next week ol’ Chuck Liddell is goin’ to kick Tito Ortiz’ a$s!!!…Golly Gee!..Gee Whiz!!…

By Mitchie-san

December 21, 2006 11:06 PM | Link to this

This blog has gotten so dumb.

By Lost in the Rain in Juarez

December 21, 2006 11:13 PM | Link to this

Pike: “I’d like to make one good score, then back off.”

Dutch: Back off to what?”

Glad you appreciate the finer things, Grinch! You’re the only one who was willing to rise above the “Rocky” discussion to something far greater. Bless you, Sam Peckinpah, wherever you are!

We all dream of being a child again, even the worst of us. Perhaps the worst most of all.

By The Grinch

December 21, 2006 11:32 PM | Link to this

The Thrashers absolutely rock. That’s two shootout wins in a row. Way, WAY better than the 9-7 “Nostalgic” pro game and the 100-0 bowl. Good stuff. Wish I’d watched more of it.

Pike: He gave his word.

Dutch: He gave his word to a railroad.

Pike: It’s his word.

Dutch: That ain’t what counts! It’s who you give it to!

Anyone can get into a crowd pleaser. There are those who further persue the fine art of filmmaking and those who don’t. Good call.

By Stinky

December 21, 2006 11:38 PM | Link to this

SANTO DOMINGO, Dominican Republic — Sammy Sosa began training Thursday in hopes of returning to the major leagues.

“I feel like I did when I was a rookie,” Sosa told The Associated Press. “I have a lot of spirit and a desire to return. I think I can play three or four more years in the form I am now.”

Sosa hit the ball out of the park 15 times while training at a field in San Pedro de Macoris that is operated by the Japanese league’s Hiroshima Carp.

The 38-year-old slugger said he had received calls from teams interested in signing him and that he was leaning towards the Atlanta Braves or the Houston Astros.

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

December 21, 2006 11:47 PM | Link to this

I would be fine with the Braves staying with the roster they have, but that could be a risky thing when looking ahead to 2008. The fact is Andruw is gone. JS knows that and that is why he is trying to find a CF. The fear I have is that nobody is acquired and then the Braves are stuck next year. They are not just going to be able to go and sign somebody. It won’t be that easy in this market. That is why acquiring Baldelli or Cabrerra or Rios or Figgins is so important. They need a contingency plan. If by some miracle (and it would be a miracle) Andurw stays then all the better. But, JS has enough sense to know that he has to make a deal. I honestly believe he will trade LaRoche to the O’s for Ray and Penn and then hope that the Rays will find Ray as suitable a trading piece as they do James. Or he could attempt to acquire Bedard or Loeween. Which if that happened then he could use them and if the Rays insist on James he could move James and still be able to fill the rotation spot with somebody as good (if not better) than James. This entire proposed deal with the Pirates given they can sign Suppan is exactly for that reason. If JS can get Maholms from the Pirates, it will allow him to flip James to the Rays to get Baldelli.

I personally think if all else fails offer the Yanks Salty and Escobar for Cabrerra. The Yanks may take the deal because Cashman is serious about building up the farm system. Salty could be the future 1B or C for the Yanks and Escobar could serve as Jeter’s eventual replacement or get traded for pitching.

By Lost in the Rain in Juarez

December 21, 2006 11:47 PM | Link to this

Pike: “Let’s go.”

Lyle: “Why not?”

I wouldn’t have it any other way.

Buenas noches from a lonely room, Grinch. It ain’t like it used to be… but it’ll do.

By TheSouthernJackAss

December 21, 2006 11:53 PM | Link to this

Hey Stinky, does your wife ever mention me?

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

December 21, 2006 11:56 PM | Link to this

Stinky, I just read the story about Sosa. On Foxsports.com it said Sosa declined to say the teams interested in him. Where did you hear he said he is leaning toward the Braves or Astros?

By KC

December 22, 2006 12:02 AM | Link to this

Here’s some great baked beans. I like them and I think you will too.

Baked Beans Ingredients:

1 cup KC Masterpiece® Original Barbecue Sauce 4 slices bacon, diced 1 tsp. bacon drippings or oil 1/4 cup each finely chopped onion & green bell pepper 2 cans white beans, rinsed & (15 oz. each) drained Cook bacon in medium skillet until crisp; drain on paper towels and set aside. Reserving 1 teaspoon, discard drippings. Sauté onion and pepper in reserved drippings or oil. Combine all ingredients in 1-quart casserole dish. Bake uncovered at 350°F for 30 minutes.

Makes 8 servings

By David O'Brien

December 22, 2006 12:11 AM | Link to this

Lost in the Rain in Juarez, “The Wild Bunch” was definitely great, but I’d also put “Shane,” “High Noon” (Gary Cooper, ‘nuff said), “Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid,” “Treasure of the Sierre Madre” (w/Bogart) “The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly” (Eastwood had a run of great ones) and “The Searchers” (w/John Wayne) in that category of best westerns.

But I’d still take Godfather, Godfather II and Goodfellas as my top three movies, in no particular order, any category….

Taxi Driver, Deer Hunter, Apocalypse Now…quite a few others I’d put ahead of my favorite westerns, but the western has never been my favorite genre. Can certainly understand your selection, though….

Stinky, good for you on the grandparents. All four of mine have died, the last one a few years ago.

Oh, and sorry to have mentioned the thing about pets a while back, and the fact I don’t have kids. That seems to have struck a nerve with you, though I’m not exactly sure why. Never quite grasped why a small percentage of parents with kids feel the need to rub it in the faces of those without kids, as though to prove something. I mean, seriously, a lot of us, maybe because we don’t have them or have gotten so used to the freedom of living without them, aren’t really pining to become parents. If that sounds weird to you, sorry. I know, I know, I don’t know what I’m missing. Well, so be it.

If you’re happy with your situation, why do you seem to resent so much that other people might be happy in a different one?

Divorced with no children _ I mean, hey, I’m not saying I’d recommend it for everyone, but it’s really not all that uncommon, at least I don’t think it is. It’s not something I aimed for 20 years ago, but I tell you, it has its benefits. Again, not something I’d recommend to anyone, but I also wouldn’t hold it against someone or try to change their minds or judge them on the number of kids they have. I mean, that’s pretty harsh, dude.

Some of us have put too much into other pursuits, including professions, and probably paid a price in other areas. It’s probably why divorce rates are so high in certain occupations _ I mean, what is it,50 percent overall now, in general? In my field, it’s much higher. In any occupation that requires one to be on the road half the year, it is. Hey, that’s life.

Again, choices we make. I like my life a lot, I hope you like yours. Seriously, bashing and jokes we make here aside, I’m sure you probably do like yours. I hope so, at least.

But why so much resentment towards others’ lifestyles or family situations? I’ve only brought up parts of my life here because some have interest in it, in getting to know the person who writes about their favorite team every day, that kind of thing. Not to brag, because I realize I certainly have little if anything in my life away from this job to brag about. At least nothing I’d share here.

But really, to wrap up this tedious post, do you just believe that everyone has to get married at 25, have 2.2 kids, live in the ‘burbs, stop attending concerts and buying music at, oh, 30, and be bitter and resentful towards everyone for the rest of their lives?

Sorry, dude, ain’t going to do it. Too late for me to, anyway.

By Glass Overflowing

December 22, 2006 12:18 AM | Link to this

Hey, KC, you forgot to mention that the beans taste especially good when washed down with the Kool-Aid you drink that makes you believe a that 79-win team is on par with the ‘27 Yankees and any player with a tomahawk across his chest and an “A” on his cap is Babe Ruth at the plate and Sandy Koufax on the mound.

By David O'Brien

December 22, 2006 12:21 AM | Link to this

Robert(JIB), there is, of course, no interest from the Braves. Stinky pulled himself away from his family, including the lovely Mrs. Stinky, multiple children, and the aforementioned cat, for a few moments to concoct that humorous embellishment. How he pulled himself away from family responsibilities to blog for about 14 of the day’s other 24 hours is another matter…

Some of his sad, childless reporters have the time to search out the truth and bring it to you.

Anyway, the actual AP story read:

The only team that has publicly expressed interest in the Dominican’s services was the Washington Nationals, who offered a non-guaranteed $500,000 contract that Sosa rejected.

“I want the chance and I believe one is going to appear. This time I will accept an offer like the one with the Nationals because I want to get back to the majors,” he said.

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

December 22, 2006 12:33 AM | Link to this

DOB, what have you heard about this Sammy Sosa non-sense. JS wouldn’t really consider signing this guy would he?

By Lost in the Rain in Juarez

December 22, 2006 12:41 AM | Link to this

And what of “Unforgiven,” my friend DOB? Eastwood’s very best, I contend.

Your favorites include some fine, fine movies. “The Searchers” and “Goodfellas” are way high up on my list, too.

And “Pulp Fiction” is singularly sublime. “The Last Picture Show” is another miracle of filmmaking.

And how about “The Third Man”?

Yes, there’s more to life than Westerns. But pigeonholing “The Wild Bunch” into a narrow genre that’s not your favorite is like dismissing “Pulp Fiction” because you don’t like gangster movies — they’re both about a whole lot more than the world they’re set in. You’d better go watch it again — and get the recently released director’s cut, 2-disc special edition. Beautiful print.

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

December 22, 2006 12:54 AM | Link to this

DOB, I do have another question. You can tell me if I’m crazy. JasonInMaine relayed earlier the story from the Bucco Blog that the Pirates are wanting to sign Suppan so they can go ahead and include Maholm in a trade for LaRoche. The Pirates would send Castillo and McLouth. If this trade happened, would it be a precursor to JS relenting and sending James to the Rays for Baldelli? I personally don’t like the trade but could see JS doing it. Am I wrong?

Also, I did suggest that if JS could get Bedard or Loeween along with Penn from the O’s for LaRoche and Salty the Braves could then think seriously about sending James and Escobar to the Rays for Baldelli. Is that something JS would do?

I know JS and Cox say publicly they think they still have a chance to sign Andruw but in reality know that is a load of crap. So, wouldn’t it be in the Braves best interest to get a replacement now instead of taking the risk of finding someone next offseason?

By David O'Brien

December 22, 2006 01:08 AM | Link to this

Juarez, not dismissing it at all. I love a lot of westerns, including the ones I mentioned, and yes, Unforgiven. Great stuff.

And Pulp Fiction definitely goes in my top 20, maybe close to Top 10. Just wanted it again on DVD a week or so ago.

Also stuff like Network (definitely in my top 10), Five Easy Pieces, Chinatown, One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest, Body Heat (Kathleen Turner, simply smoldering in that movie, filmed near my old home in Hollywood, Fla)…

How ‘bout History of Violence from a couple years ago? And The Departed this year? So many great films that probably need a few years and repeated viewings to put them in proper context.

How ‘bout The Great Escape, Dirty Dozen, Dirty Harry, Bullitt, The French Connection?

Animal House, Slap Shot, Major League…. So many. Damn, I love movies….

Robert, sorry, but I’m not going to spend time analyzing what BuccoBlog said.

By Lew

December 22, 2006 01:18 AM | Link to this

One of the best all time movies is The Man Who Would Be King. A John Houston movie with Sean Connery and Michael Caine. The only way Stinky sees children playing contentedly in his living room is on his big screen tv while watching a Christmas Special. He couldn’t stop his narcissistic rant long enough to attempt procreation. Fa La La La La.

By Mitchie-san

December 22, 2006 01:41 AM | Link to this

I catch alot of flack, but my favorite movie is Jaws. I love it.

By Stinky

December 22, 2006 01:45 AM | Link to this

SJA, My wife mentioned a guy in a trenchcoat who exposed himself. She laughed and described something that looked like wedding tackle, only smaller.

DOB, Don’t give us your life’s story. Nobody cares, so stop trolling for sympathy.

Lew, way to stand by your man.

By Lost in the Rain in Juarez

December 22, 2006 01:48 AM | Link to this

I sense that Jack Nicholson must be your favorite actor, DOB. He’s certainly come a long way from bit parts on “The Andy Griffith Show.”

“Five Easy Pieces” is a masterpiece. Says so much more when looking back on life at 45 than it did when I was looking ahead at 25. And what an ending!

*Where we’re goin’, it’s gonna get colder than hell.

Nah, it’s okay. I’m fine. I’m fine.*

By The Grinch

December 22, 2006 01:50 AM | Link to this

“Last Picture Show” has Cybill Shepard nekkid in her prime. Much better than anything she’s done since. Plus, a movie can be judged by wether or not it has Ben Johnson in it (as does LPS and Wild Bunch). DOB, Bulitt is a boring movie overall, but the chase scene is something I might play over and over again in the cinematic hall of fame if I were in charge. When that dude in the black Charger Buckles his lap belt is when it’s time to turn it on. ‘68 440 Magnum Charger auto vs. ‘68 390 Mustang 4-speed is a wondourous thing. Man, gotta cue it up (yes, I can do that.).

Stinky, congrats on “The Third Man”…you’re broader than I thought.

By The Grinch

December 22, 2006 01:54 AM | Link to this

By the way, the movie “The Searchers” is not even close, in any way, to the novella itself. Not even comparable.

By Snowball's Chance

December 22, 2006 02:07 AM | Link to this

Best movie: Chinatown….”She’s my daughter, she’s my sister, (smack) She my daughter, she’s my sister. Ohh”.

Cool hand Luke. “Shakin’ the bush, boss. Shakin’ the bush.”

The aforementioned “Treasure of the Sierra Madre”. “Badges, we don’t need no Stinkin’ badges.”

I hope that Woodward is another of Big JS’s under the radar moves.

By Snowball's Chance

December 22, 2006 02:14 AM | Link to this

Grinch, My brother just got back from Viet Nam, was discharged in SF and was walking down the street and there was a barrier. The big Bullitt chase scene goes right by him.

By Lee

December 22, 2006 02:29 AM | Link to this

DOB Hey, random question. I am a 3rd year journalism student.I am just curious, how did you get where you are? Being a beat writer for a professional team is my dream job. Any advice would be helpful.

By The Grinch

December 22, 2006 02:30 AM | Link to this

No &%$#. Snowball, that’s a moment caught in time. I’m absurdly drunk and listening to Deep Purple’s “Child in Time” now, and probably on the verge of passing out. Which is a good thing, as I’m having to look at my keyboard to type now. But I’d like to know more later; that sounds like golden stuff. If it isn’t BS. :-) G’night, all.

By Snowball's Chance

December 22, 2006 03:32 AM | Link to this

Would I lie to you?

By Tomahawkin

December 22, 2006 03:39 AM | Link to this

Aight D.O.B. I’m f…ck-ed up… and on dat drank… Oh my God…I was At the Club… and they play that damn Brooke Hogan.. and Paul Wall song… And I about Freaked out!… God I hate that MTV pop Tart Shyt..!…So Ia went home and listened to some old Aaliyah…Good love muzik before she died… Just like some old TLC….

* and I don’t know about U D.O.B..But I’m ready 4 spring training…F-C—-&K THE NBA.. that stuff is boring…*

I’am so tired of Lebron James it’s rediculous…

Holla Back…

By TK

December 22, 2006 03:51 AM | Link to this

I keep hearing all these names to fill Giles spot at 2nd. What about Chris Burke of the Houston? At Tennessee he was a ss that I got to watch. He played 2nd & ss in the minors and some of. I don’t need to remind any Brave fan he has some pop and he 11 sb last year in less than 350 at bats. Burke could play 2nd and lead off. I think getting full time work at 2nd his numbers could be All-Star type. Not sure what it would take to get him. But it would be less than what Tampa Bay would wants for their bat boy.

By Joe S.

December 22, 2006 06:51 AM | Link to this

Do you really think the O’s would trade both Chris Ray AND Hayden Penn while getting only Adam LaRoche back in return? There’s no way that would happen. Unless someone hits the O’s decision-maker on the head with a rock before entering into trade talks. Ray is far too valuable as a second-year closer. Great performance possibilities coupled with little servuce time means the O’s will have him under control for a long time. LaRoche is much closer to a big pay day.

By Richard Cory

December 22, 2006 07:34 AM | Link to this

Favorite movies—Cool Hand Luke, Jaws, & In The Heat Of The Night. Merry Christmas to all Christians, Happy Hanukah, to all of Jewish faith and Happy Holidays’ to everyone else. As Jim Rome says, “I’m out”. See youse guys in a few days.

By ncscoots

December 22, 2006 07:37 AM | Link to this

Joe, that WOULD seem illogical on the face of it, wouldn’t it? But, most, if not all, of the trades rumored or touted here on the blog seem overpriced one way or the other, at least to me. Many bloggers seem to think other teams should just roll over for the Braves, but scream when other teams try the same armed robbery the other way. Teams ask for premium at this time of year if they identify another team’s need (or greed, LOL), but as spring training gets closer, I suspect trade value comes more into line with reality.

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

December 22, 2006 07:38 AM | Link to this

I’m currently listening to Peter Gammons on Mike and Mike. He said he was shocked that Angels haven’t done more. Their owner is willing to spend whatever money it takes to make this team a winner. He is getting a little restless that Bill Stoneman hasn’t done anything. Gammons said he wouldn’t at all be surprised if the Angles made a late run at Zito and got him. If that happened, the Angles would then be willing to trade Santana. So, maybe all of us Braves’ fans should be pulling for this because if the Angles get Zito I think a good possibility exists Santana is in a Braves’ uniform. The Braves send LaRoche and Salty for Santana, Figgins, and Kotchman? Now, Gammons didn’t mention that part about the Braves. I’m just hoping. Gammons did say though that Moreno is growing rather restless and is as confused as anybody as to why the Angles aren’t using their wealth of young talent to get the pieces they need. They really want a bat in the lineup to protect Vlad. So, we’ll see.

By Greg in TN

December 22, 2006 08:08 AM | Link to this

Morning friends and neighbors and happy holidays from the Volunteer State…

Peeking in from a hiatus brought on by sinus surgery on Wednesday (not a lot of fun at all, but a necessary evil). Here are some thoughts I had on some of the goings on.

The Woodward signing is another piece of the puzzle and was needed since Darryl Ward signed with the Cubs (the quote that keeps popping in my head when I think of that is Bill Murray in Ghostbusters 2 - “Boy Johnny did you back the wrong horse.” We’ve had puzzle pieces work out like a charm before (Jerry Willard, Frankie Cabrera, Julio Franco, et al).

If we don’t make any further moves, I’m comfortable with where we are heading into spring training. I like the idea of getting Baldelli, but I believe we’re running into a brick wall with TB wanting James. We may be closer to a deal with the Pirates depending on how things shake out, but I don’t see JS shipping LaRoche anywhere without getting what he wants in return.

DOB, enjoy your vacation time in KS and have a great holiday.

By Arkansas Hillbilly

December 22, 2006 09:11 AM | Link to this

I’m a youngster so bear with me on these movies:

Wyatt Earp

Young Guns

Fallen —- Who’s seen it?

The Outlaw Josey Wales

Pulp Fiction

Tombstone

To Kill a MockingBird

Opinion time here….Who played the better Doc Holiday? Val Kilmer or Dennis Quaid?

By John Adcox

December 22, 2006 09:22 AM | Link to this

Gotta agree with you about the Rocky movies, DOB. I loved both the first and the new one, and while I think Rocky II is lesser than the bookends, it still has some darn fine writing… a simple line like “I wonder if you wouldn’t mind marrying me too much” just cuts right to the soul of the character, with all his awkwardness, and it is lovely and poignant.

Whatever else you say about III and IV (does anyone even acknowledge that V exists?), you wouldn’t use the words lovely and poignant.

Rocky III, at least, was fun, but frankly, Rocky was already turning into a cartoon superhero rather than a human being. Now, I have nothing at all against comic superheroes or superhero movies. But the best ones are always the ones that turn the hero into a human being.

Notice how the new James Bond turned the character away from the invulnerable cartoon with the invisible car into a human being who bleeds, cries, an has to be brutal and cold to succeed in a terrible, dehumanizing job. Even the new Superman and Batman films were about humans with heroic gifts, who can have their hearts broken.

The Rocky in Rocky and Rocky II was a human being, and when he was going the distance, you couldn’t help thinking he was doing it for all of us; he was taking the hard punches that we all take just by being alive and making our way in a hard and cruel world. That’s why we cheered. That’s why we cared.

In Rocky III, and especially IV, he wasn’t a human being any more. He was a cartoon. Cartoons are fun. They really are. They entertain us, but they don’t stir the heart. Rocky Balboa is about the very human hero in the first films. I’m glad to have him back one last time.

John Married, two dogs, no kids.

By Stinky

December 22, 2006 09:24 AM | Link to this

Robert, nice post. Hopefully they will sign Zito.

By JasonInMaine

December 22, 2006 09:25 AM | Link to this

Hey folks,

This is from the Baltimore Sun:

After concluding that the Orioles wouldn’t deal Roberts but still wanted LaRoche, the Braves asked about a package that included Orioles closer Chris Ray , according to a source, but at this point, the teams are not aggressively discussing a deal.

I wish you all a very Merry Christmas, and I hope we get Baldelli, without giving up James, for our big present (:

Regards,

Jason

By Stinky

December 22, 2006 09:26 AM | Link to this

Arkansas, I’m kind of partial to Val Kilmer. very partial, if you know what I mean.

By Stinky

December 22, 2006 09:30 AM | Link to this

Joe, yes I do think the Orioles would trade both Penn and Ray. Penn has been a disappointment so far, so his value is not what it would have been a couple years ago. Because of some of their signings this winter, Baltimore can afford to lose Ray. And keep in mind that LaRoche is a legitimate slugger and gold-glove caliber first-baseman.

By Arkansas Hillbilly

December 22, 2006 09:34 AM | Link to this

And How could I leave off the Godfather….Good Grief

O.K. for my favorite funny movies in no particular order:

Stripes - “Chicks dig me because I rarely wear underwear”

Beverly Hills Cop 1, 2, or 3(take your pick-Eddie Murphy was hilarious before the Daddy Day Care Phase)

Ghostbusters - Murray, enough said

Major League - Sheen-“I look like a banker in this”

But my altime favorite has to be National Lampoon’s Christmas Vacation:

“You know I had that metal plate in my head? Well turns out every time Katherine would crank up the microwave, I’d p** my pants and forget who I was for a half-hour. So I had to have it replaced….I don’t know if I wanna go slidin’ down that hill with nothing between the ground and my brain but a piece of cheap government plastic.” …..”This side,(knock, knock) nothin’. But If this side over here gets dented, then my hair just don’t look right.”

“MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!! S*R WAS FULL!!!!!”

By rammerjammer

December 22, 2006 09:37 AM | Link to this

For great Westerns, it’s tough to beat The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance. I mean, John Wayne, Lee Marvin AND James Stewart. Terrific acting. Good triumphs over evil, although Marvin is so enjoyably evil that you almost want him to win.

I’d also recommend Jeremiah Johnson, although I guess it’s not really a Western. More of an Adventure.

And, especially at this time of year, It’s a Wonderful Life, and A Christmas Story are fun to watch.

DOB, Merry Christmas. If you’ve got folks who love you, well brutha, then you’re “the richest man in town.”

By Faulkner

December 22, 2006 09:38 AM | Link to this

Ok, Ok. I am sick of hearing about all the tired trades that the braves should make. Think about what the braves have right now. They were either number one or two in runs scored last year in the NL, so unless Kelly Johnson, who should be at second, doesn’t hit 270 plus 11 homeruns and 50 ribbies, then we will have the same offense. Heck, it could be better, Andruw is getting better, Chipper hopefully plays more this season, Frenchy can only move up. Mac wont probably hit as high on average, but he will be fine. Overall, the offense is fine. The pitching?? We added Wickman, who might as well be an offseason move, because we had him for such a short time. If we had him the whole year, he would have saved at least half the games we blew, and would have won the division. So, that would make us great, but then add Soriano, more improved young guys in the pen with experience, another new arm with Hampton, and guess what, that sounds like we kept the best offense and added two major bullpen pieces, and a really good starter. Hampton could come back weak, but James will only get better, Davies will get better, Hudson has to get better, and Smoltz will be the same, or maybe a little weaker.

With all this said, I still think we start a new run, and it is because we theoretically added three pitchers and improved with experience. On the other hand, you trade Laroche, and you lose a lot of offense, and you try to add more bullpen, but why not try with the young arms we have? We have enough young arms and young talent, that we should be able to develop them while having solid everyday players in front of them. It makes sense to me to stay put, and make a move next year to try to keep Andy, but if not, J.S. will make something happen, from within or from outside.

By Stinky

December 22, 2006 09:40 AM | Link to this

JasonInMaine, there’s not a snowball’s chance in hell that the Braves are going to give up James to get Baldelli. Their focus is pitching, first and foremost.

By Stinky

December 22, 2006 09:46 AM | Link to this

Hey, by the way, I just wanted to take a second to apologize for being such an a$$ in this blog. The truth is, Dob’s right. I don’t have much going on in my life. I still live with my parents, and I work at Subway (part-time). Wasn’t my choice. My mom said I had to work.

I was thinking about trying EHarmony.com. Has anyone tried that? I wonder if it would work.

Anyway, sorry guys.

By Big Daddy

December 22, 2006 09:55 AM | Link to this

Somebody mentioned Sosa. Has he found a new cork supplier or has he met Barry Bonds’ “medic”? Or both? Maybe hed’s discovered a new tree for his bats, one that has bounce like cork.

By RayInMacon

December 22, 2006 10:06 AM | Link to this

Stinky, it’s alright dude. No harm, no foul. It’s all good.

Hey, anyone else seen the Rocky Movie? Good?

By TheSouthernJackAss

December 22, 2006 10:06 AM | Link to this

Who the hell is the sob who keeps coming on here saying I’m officially leaving? See, it’s like this, I’m going to spread my brand of filth on DOB’s stupidassed pile of horse dung so long as my keyboard works. And all you idiots who don’t like it can kiss my royal a*.

You fools who want to talk baseball, go somewhere wlse. This blog is mine, I tell you, mine. DOB thinks he owns if but I tell you he has his head up his a*. I own it.

By RayInMacon

December 22, 2006 10:08 AM | Link to this

RayInMacon, thanks man. Nope, haven’t seen Rocky yet, but I’m supposed to go with my mom this weekend.

By Stinky

December 22, 2006 10:14 AM | Link to this

SouthJackA, Hey dude, I like you being here. I don’t want yo to leave.

By rammerjammer

December 22, 2006 10:27 AM | Link to this

Hey, is anyone else alarmed that Gonzalez walked 31 batters in 54 innings? Along with 42 hits allowed, that’s 73 baserunners in 54 innings.

By comparison, Soriano allowed 65 baserunners in 60 innings, and Wickman allowed 26 baserunners in 26 innings.

I think the Braves brass needs to raise the window or step outside for some fresh air.

Gonzalez is being marketed as THE lefty reliever to have, and his value is wildly overinflated.

We already have a hard-throwing lefty in the pen. Surely a second lefty can be had for far less than LaRoche.

By John Adcox

December 22, 2006 10:41 AM | Link to this

Hey, Robert,

GREAT take on the Angels situation. I agree is a bit of a stretch, but it doesn’t sound bad to me. although frankly, save for getting Rocco, I wouldn’t mind waiting until spring to see how things shake out a bit to make that kind of move. Of course, if it enables us to make a move with Tampa Bay, well, never mind.

By Weasel

December 22, 2006 10:43 AM | Link to this

Sounds like Stinky’s on some Bad Acid. That, or someone with Stinky-Envy is lurking about. Thing is, Stinky probably likes the homage. Impersonation is the second highest form of flattery.

Davidina O’Brainless, the remark about Stinky having two sets of biological grandparents was more a statement about you springing forth from only one set. In other words, he called you an “inbred”. Must have went over your head.

By Glass Half Full

December 22, 2006 10:44 AM | Link to this

Animal House…there’s a classic. “You’re all worthless and weak! Now, drop and give me twenty.” I love it.

By rammerjammer

December 22, 2006 10:49 AM | Link to this

An excerpt from this morning’s Pittsburgh newspaper:

“Mike Gonzalez to … nowhere?

“The Pirates’ attempts to trade their closer for a left-handed power hitter appear to have hit a dry patch on all of the most prominent fronts.

“The New York Yankees have offered outfielder Melky Cabrera, but he lacks the power that general manager Dave Littlefield is seeking and is not considered to be enough. It is believed that there have been no meaningful talks between the sides this week.

“The Atlanta Braves have dangled first baseman Adam LaRoche, but they are unwilling to give him up for just Gonzalez. Trouble is, their other needs are for a second baseman to hit leadoff, or a long-term center fielder to eventually replace Andruw Jones. The Pirates have a second baseman available, Jose Castillo, but he does not fit Atlanta’s profile. They have a center fielder, too, in Chris Duffy, but his name is not known to have arisen.

“Atlanta seems focused more on discussing LaRoche with the Baltimore Orioles and Los Angeles Angels, teams better equipped to suit the Braves’ needs.

“An industry source close to the Pirates said that a three-team trade involving the Yankees and Braves — one that would have sent Gonzalez to New York, LaRoche to Pittsburgh and Cabrera to Atlanta — was “pretty much a done deal” until last weekend. But he added, “I don’t know what happened from there.”

“No officials with the Pirates or Braves have acknowledged any three-team talks, publicly or privately.

“The Boston Red Sox have maintained interest in Gonzalez, but they have no good match for a power hitter and, thus, little chance of getting him.

By Stinky

December 22, 2006 10:50 AM | Link to this

RayInMacon, Sorry dude. I was trying to be funny. I was going to post something under your name (I often do that sort of thing), and forgot to change my name back before posting a response.

Yeah, I’m supposed to go see Rocky with my mom this weekend. I’m looking forward to it.

By Stinky

December 22, 2006 10:52 AM | Link to this

rammerjammer,yeah but he’s not just a lefty, he’s a great closer too. Wickman’s getting older, and there’s no guarantee that he’ll be back next year.

By Stinky

December 22, 2006 10:55 AM | Link to this

Weasel, nope. I just finally realized what an as$ I’ve been, and I wanted to try acting older than 8 for the first time in my life. Is there something wrong with that? Cut me some slack man.

By Arkansas Hillbilly

December 22, 2006 10:55 AM | Link to this

I heard through the grapevine that the Mets signed Ruben Sierra????? Do they still have Franco????? If so, they could be on to something here. :P

By RayInMacon

December 22, 2006 11:09 AM | Link to this

Scott Miller has a piece on the Braves today at sportsline.com.

http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/story/9884772

By rammerjammer

December 22, 2006 11:14 AM | Link to this

I think JS should fold the tent. Keep LaRoche. No trades. Get off the phone.

Let Diaz, Langerhans and Blanco fight it out in spring training for LF, and let Johnson, Prado, Aybar and Woodward battle for 2B.

Blanco’S OBP last year was .397 (AA) and .408 (AAA) with 31 SB. Does this guy have cooties? Give the kid a chance!

Sign a lefty off the scrap heap for the bullpen, and give Cormier the #5 starter spot.

That’s a good team there.

Anything that takes this long to get done (the LaRoche talks) needs to be stopped. Is there anyone in charge of Killing Bad Ideas?

By Weasel

December 22, 2006 11:26 AM | Link to this

Stinky wins, always.

By ernesto

December 22, 2006 11:28 AM | Link to this

Lost in the rain in Juarez - that would be a better handle around Easter time, no?

By Stinky

December 22, 2006 11:29 AM | Link to this

MLB removed Marge Schott as owner of the Reds, why can’t they do the same thing to TWX?

By TheSouthernJackAss

December 22, 2006 11:30 AM | Link to this

Stinky, the family cat likes me, too. Purred the whole time Mrs. Stinky was purring.

By RayInMacon

December 22, 2006 11:35 AM | Link to this

rammerjammer, what about Scott Thorman? He could be a big major legue hitter. If we keep LaRoche, we’ve got to give him some serious time in LF.

By rammerjammer

December 22, 2006 11:37 AM | Link to this

Stinky,

Agreed that Gonzalez is a great closer, but we already have one for the coming season (Wickman) and one ready to follow him (Soriano) with several promising youngsters in the wings.

I just think it’s overkill, and would not significantly strengthen us when LaRoche’s absence is factored in.

It’s a bigger gamble to assume Thorman can pick up where LaRoche left off, and having question marks at 1B, 2B and LF seems like a strange way to get back into contention.

By Stinky

December 22, 2006 12:00 PM | Link to this

SJA, I thought my cat was walking funny.

By TheSouthernJackAss

December 22, 2006 12:18 PM | Link to this

Yep, rolled over on him once when the Missus was needing some rest. You need some new furniture. Don’t you make any money at what you do?

By Stinky

December 22, 2006 12:34 PM | Link to this

SJA, I thought my cat was walking funny.

By rammerjammer

December 22, 2006 12:44 PM | Link to this

Thorman’s minor league stats are comparable to LaRoche’s, and I’m sure that would figure into any plans to deal LaR.

First base has been Thorman’s position for six minor league seasons, so I think it’s asking for trouble to get a rookie to adjust to BOTH major league pitching and a new position. I thought he did ok last season in a tough role.

We’re just not so desparate that we have to deal LaRoche. But the fact that his name keeps popping up makes me wonder if JS and company think he had a career year last season.

I mean, his slugging percentage was 50 points HIGHER than his best minor league slugging percentage.

I know, I know, he started on new medicine and that made all the difference. I also know that his September slugging percentage was nearly 100 points below his season total. Maybe the pitchers were figuring him out?

By Stinky

December 22, 2006 12:56 PM | Link to this

SJA, you already established that you’re defficient in the man muscle department after your trenchcoat episode. I think you and the cat would “mesh”, if you take my meaning. And that also explains the mutated case of feline AIDS and syphilis the cat’s got. You really should see a doctor. Everyone knows its not much, but your little tool at least allows you to stand when you eliminate waste fluids, so take care it doesn’t fall off from all the germs swimmin on ya. A bath wouldn’t hurt either.

Also, even from six feet away, your breath is hideous. Try listerine or breathing through your nose.

Merry Christmas SJA.

By macon countyline

December 22, 2006 01:09 PM | Link to this

Entertaining blog DOB.

Don’t read every comment, so I may have missed it, but no mention of the ultimate movie/music reference is disappointing:
Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid; Dylan soundtrack and minor role, another all-time great songwriter Kristofferson as Billy, James Coburn as garrett (if i remember correctly), Slim Pickens death scene to Knocking on Heaven’s door. Simply the greatest western of all time, taking into consideration the music.

By ben bradlee

December 22, 2006 01:28 PM | Link to this

Now that the Braves have signed Woodward, are they going after Bernstein, too?

By brian

December 22, 2006 01:36 PM | Link to this

ESPN.com reports today that talks have heated back up with Pittsburgh since the Braves have dropped their demand for Maholm as well. Their source of course was the Pittsburgh paper.

I agree with the above posts in regards to Gonzalez being overkill, even as good as he is, because of Wickman and Soriano, plus now a question mark at 1B to go with the question marks at 2B and LF.

Maybe JS should turn his focus away from Gonzalez and work for a package with one of the Pirates young pitchers whether Maholm or Duke or etc. A top young pitcher with some experience plus Duffy may get the deal done, but even then I am not a big fan of that trade.

Obviously it is not up to me but I think the Angels and Orioles match up much better for the Braves - DOB suggestion of Penn and Ray then flipping Ray in a package for Baldelli; or the Angels preferably for Figgins and a young pitcher.

Would you do it in this 3 way deal - LaRoche to Angels for Figgins, Kotchman, plus one other prospect, and then flipping Kotchman for Penn. I doubt the Orioles would do that but for the Braves something along that line may get them Figgins plus a young pitcher

By Wayne in Utah

December 22, 2006 01:37 PM | Link to this

Rammer and others

My thoughts on why we keep hearing LaRoche’s name on all these rumors is because we have something everybody wants (similar to Baldelli, but not really): young lefty power hitter on the cheap for a few years.

So, with that being said, my guess is that JS is sitting around with the Pirates, O’s and Angels all making bids. He doesn’t have to take any of them, but if one of them wants him bad enough, you gotta listen, with Thorman in the wings.

So, if you (any of you) were JS, who would you take to send LaRoche out of Atlanta: Ray/Penn, Bedard/Penn, Loewen/Penn, Gonzalez/Duffy, Figgins/Shields. I would throw in ONE pitcher out of a mix of three or four to sweeten any of those deals, but I would keep him if my terms were not met. Next year he will be just as valuable.

The pool of throw-ins I would consider: Cormier, Paronto, Stockman. NEVER Davies, as his upside has NOT diminished in MY eyes.

WHADDYYA think???

By Big Daddy

December 22, 2006 02:10 PM | Link to this

If everyone would go here http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/story/9884772 and read JohnS’s comments you might get a better idea of what’s going on. He’s not going to bet the future of CF on a bum like Duffy nor is he going to bet too much on Castillo both of whom are reported to be real primos. They wouldn’t cut it in the Braves clubhouse.

If anyone wants to get LaRoche they are going to have to pay a strong price. Why else would JS trade him? JS makes very few dumb moves on the trade front. Sure anyone can point to one here and there that worked against the Braves but they are not very many when lined up against the other kind. JS didn’t get his reputation as a pickpocket by making dumb deals.

He states very clearly that he is ready to open the season with his current team. We have four or five outlielders better than Duffy so why bother with him? Castillo is a no no period.

Write in Kelly Johnson at 2B as of now. I think he’ll have to be beaten out and he is no stranger to the infield. As for LF the Braves are in great shape with four guys who can play out there and 3 of them can hit including the Braves second hiter for average last year, Diaz. We don’t need no stinking left fielder unless we can get Baldellil. Now that’s a different story.

Oh yeah JS mentioned in that article (link above) that he’s counting on “Chuckie James.” JS doesn’t call out too many names as you know.

James will be the No. 4 starter when the season opens.

By Thrillhouse44

December 22, 2006 02:12 PM | Link to this

Wayne in Utah,

I’d throw in JS’ son, Jonathan.

By Wayne in Utah

December 22, 2006 02:26 PM | Link to this

Thrillhouse

OK, if you insist……

By Wayne in Utah

December 22, 2006 02:39 PM | Link to this

Big Daddy

I read that same article last night. JS is certainly a top of the class wheeler dealer, so yes, I don’t think he would hang the future on Duffy, but I also think Duffy is the type of guy he would take a flier on. He stole something like 24 out of 25 bases attempted, and batted great in ‘05. Again, its like Salty and Escobar, POTENTIAL is the word. The Pirates deal does not happen without Gonzalez or Maholm.

I do like the upside of Melky Cabrera of the Yankees too. Would he be worth Salty?? Good question. Escobar, definitely!

I also like Chris Burke of Houston, as he could do either LF, CF (2008) or 2B, if Johnson doesn’t cut it in the field. By the way, I REALLY like Johnson, at either 2B, LF, or maybe even 1B???

Thorman is a potential Ryan Klesko. It would be certainly interesting to see us with him and KJ at LF and 2B next year. I think if we do that deal, then Rent-a-SS has to lead off, with Johnson batting second.

Whaddddyyyyaa think??

By David O'Brien

December 22, 2006 02:45 PM | Link to this

Oh, well, I tried….

T-Hawkin, regarding this post: …”I was At the Club… and they play that damn Brooke Hogan.”

Man, is that what they’re playing at the “club” these days? My god, if so, I’m glad I’m not doing the club scene anymore. That’s just tragic, Brooke Hogan?…

Wayne, I don’t know that Davies’ “upside” (I know a lot of folks hate that word, so let’s go with “potential”) has decreased, because he’s so young and did have a serious injury last season _ fortunately not an arm injury.

But as far as trade bait, Braves wouldn’t be able to get value for him until he does more at big league level or, say, had a really strong, healthy season in Triple-A. Other teams need to see something before they’d feel as strongly about him as the Braves, who’ve watched him develop and have a better feel for his potential….

Macon countyline, great call on Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid. Very cool, with, as you noted, the best soundtrack on a western (though the spaghetti-western soundtrack of The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly is close)….

rammerjammer, The Man Who Shot Liverty Valance _ outstanding. Don’t know how I overlooked that one. Damn good flick. Oh, and for what it’s worth, I agree with your assessment of the “overkill” scenario in losing LaRoche and getting another setup man/future closer….

Mitchie-san, it’s tough saying Jaws is one of your favorites, isn’t it? I would’ve put it in my list, but figured the reaction from some film snobs would’ve been similar to my mention of Rocky. Oh, well, I’m with you brother, Jaws is as entertaining as it gets…. “You’re gonna need a bigger boat.”

Or this: “The thing about a shark, he’s got lifeless eyes, black eyes, like a doll’s eyes. When he comes after you, he doesn’t seem to be living until he bites you, and those black eyes roll over white… .”

By David O'Brien

December 22, 2006 02:55 PM | Link to this

Joe Adcox, you said exactly what I wanted to say, but said it far better than I could have, in your 9:22 a.m. post regarding the Rocky flicks. You absolutely nailed it.

By journalist jimmy smith

December 22, 2006 03:17 PM | Link to this

dob, merry christmas! it appears that sda and stinky are on the outs. what will this mean for the dob.atlanta braves.man-in-black.and occasionally pudding and pie blog? if dob could provide sda and stinky each others’ e-mail address perhaps they could talk privately and trouble us no more. now, baseball … did dontrelle willis urinate on the street? he can forget coming to the atlanta braves! a few dui’s are okay as we have seen, but bobby will not tolerate urinating on the street! now, why would someone buy a bentley without proper facilities on board? and where is flabravesgirl? this journalist pictures her growing weary in the kitchen with all that baking she is doing. best red velvet cake ever! pies were delicious, too! now, peace on earth, goodwill to all.

By U kno who

December 22, 2006 03:17 PM | Link to this

DOB, I see where u get yer inspiration from now. I guess it’s common practice with AJC writers. Let’s surf the blogs and I’ll get my questions there. Just don’t start yellin at me like u did with stinky. I’ve never seen that side of u before. The respect level just went up a little bit. Not quite to Bowman or Carol level, but definitely above Terence and Bradley. Just stopped by to brush up on my trade rumors. Found a ton of armchair managers and GM’s. Not a lot of loyalty amongst this group of people is there? A lot of “what have u done for me lately” people though. Makes me kinda glad the guys who are in charge of making the decisions aren’t these guys. I was impressed with yer ability to stay neutral on a couple of subjects, whether it be Gilly or Johnny Rocket. I know the restraint it must have taken to bite yer tongue. Just wanted to make sure u were keepin with the unwritten rules. If u haven’t figured it out,I’ll give u one last clue, “the buzzards r circling”. There, u should have it now. Only 60 days til spring training and I can’t wait. Hopefully I’ll see u there. I’m sure you’ll stop by and say “hi” at some point. Keep yer chin up people!!!

By David O'Brien

December 22, 2006 03:17 PM | Link to this

or rather, Liberty Valance. typo.

Cybil Shepard in Last Picture Show. Oh, my… yes.

And then there’s “Nashville” and Robert Altman’s other great flicks. And “Clockwork Orange” and Kubrick’s other works…

OK, gotta go act interested in cartoon shows with the niece and nephew…. That’s tough duty, folks. I gotta commend those of you who do that regularly. That’s patience….

By rammerjammer

December 22, 2006 03:47 PM | Link to this

DOB, two more to watch: Dr. Strangelove and Fail Safe. Sorta the same storyline, but only one is funny.

President Muffley: “Gentlemen, you can’t fight in here! This is the War Room!”

Hilarious.

By Arkansas Hillbilly

December 22, 2006 03:49 PM | Link to this

Oh, when macon county line mentioned Slim Pickens, it reminded me of another great movie and soundtrack:

Honeysuckle Rose. Awesome soundtrack with Willie Nelson,Emmylou Harris, Hank Cochrane, and Dyan Cannon. Love those live versions of “Its not supposed to be that way,” “I Guess I’ve come to live here in your eyes,” “Make the World Go away.”, etc……

“If you’re feeling salty,

I’m your tequila.

If you’ve got the freedom,

I’ve got the time.

There ain’t nothin’ sweeter,

than naked emotion,

So, you show me yours, hun

and I’ll show you mine….”

By maconcounty line

December 22, 2006 04:28 PM | Link to this

DOB saw a reference on an older blog to the good Dr., Hunter S. Ironic how “Gonzo” kept coming up in trade rumours in those comments, and still is of course, especially so close to Peter Boyle passing away. I prefer the first film with Bill Murray, Boyle and Neil Young’s soundtrack to the more recent version.

I would also prefer for the Braves to stand pat with position players and only trade for pitching. One other note on the two free agent signings, if incentives kick in they would almost have paid for Giles raise, I find that interesting and suspect JS just didn’t want him back at all.

By br618

December 22, 2006 04:43 PM | Link to this

chipper is being sued in philly for scuffling with a fan that harassed him

By JC FROM UT

December 22, 2006 04:44 PM | Link to this

The article out of Pittsburgh stats that the RedSox are also interested in Gonzales. Boston does not really have much to offer Pitt. My 3 way deal (since everyone has one) is to send LaRoach to Pitt, Gonz.goes to Boston and the Braves get Kevin Youilis and either Greg Breslow or Craig Hasen or tom Gorzalany from Pitt. Also Pitt is trying to sign Jeff Suppan. If they do sign him maybe that would prompt Pitt to send Maholm to the Braves. Another thing. I read that LAA has renewed talks with Collorado about Tod Helton, so I’m guessing they are through with trying to get Adam or are just threatening to get JS to make the deal.

By DonCoburleone

December 22, 2006 04:54 PM | Link to this

“But I’d still take Godfather, Godfather II and Goodfellas as my top three movies, in no particular order, any category”

Those are GREAT movies DOB, but what about non-gangster greats like Shawshank Redemption or The Usual Suspects? Hell, what about Suicide Kings as one of the best ever?

By berigan

December 22, 2006 04:54 PM | Link to this

Some of my all time movies have been mentioned on this blog. Rammer jammer mentioned one, Dr. Strangelove!(Most women don’t seem to like that one) We all need to be concerned about preserving our precious bodily fluids! Casablanca(Safe choice, but it is just about perfect) And Treasure of the Sierra Madre was mentioned before. It is Bogie’s second best role, IMHO. Airplane is in my top 5 films as well(Surely you jest berigan? No I don’t, and my name isn’t Shirley!) But, It’s a Wonderful Life is number 1 with a bullet to me. I know, it was shown to death while it was in the public domain(Notice you never see in on TV anymore-the rights were bought back)It’s not the film’s fault that happened. I first saw it back in St. Louis as a kid on PBS. I always caught it in the middle, and thought is was more like a long Twilight zone episode than a movie. Was shocked to see the first half later on. I think we all can relate on some level to George Bailey. And while some feel it’s just more Capracorn, it is a pretty dark movie, all things considered

By DonCoburleone

December 22, 2006 04:57 PM | Link to this

br618, where did you hear that about Chipper?

By DonCoburleone

December 22, 2006 05:04 PM | Link to this

I don’t think a deal will get done before the first of the year with any team in baseball, not just the Braves… I know I won’t be worrying about a deal until at least January 2nd or 3rd…

By David O'Brien

December 22, 2006 05:05 PM | Link to this

U kno who: thanks for the nice e-mail, Prince. I look forward to seeing u at spring training, 2.

Should I look for someone in purple, or what?

By journalist jimmy smith

December 22, 2006 05:05 PM | Link to this

pre madonna. sissy.

By rammerjammer

December 22, 2006 05:14 PM | Link to this

One more before I leave for the holidays: Raising Arizona.

“Come on Hi. You’re young, you got your health…what do you want with a job?”

Merry Christmas to all.

By Billy (TBFnB)

December 22, 2006 05:18 PM | Link to this

ah…slow news and the god father!

By David O'Brien

December 22, 2006 05:23 PM | Link to this

DonC, the chipper thing was in a story in the Philly Inquirer today, from an incident in September when Braves were up there and played the doubleheaders. First I’d hear about it, frankly. Cops and witnesses told a different story than the construction foreman who is suing Chipper for $50,000. Buster links to it in his blog. I jus saw it myself….

Oh, and I’d put Uusual Suspects up there, for sure. But Shawshank Redemption? I think guys _ not girls _ tend to overrate that flick a bit. Sure, it’s really enjoyable and makes you feel good and all, but is it an all-time great movie? Obviously you think so. Me, I don’t think it belongs in the class of the previously mentioned flicks.

Suicide Kings? Good movie, but …

Reservoir Dogs is better than Suicide Kings, and I wouldn’t put Res. Dogs anywhere near the top 20. And Layer Cake, which came out couple years ago, with the dude who plays Bond in Casino Royale, is a very good mob movie. But not top 20 … or 50.

By DonCoburleone

December 22, 2006 05:23 PM | Link to this

Haha, Airplane, what a great movie… If we are going comedy, here are some of my favorites:
Major League Dumb and Dumber Hot Shots Spaceballs Office Space The Big Lebowski Borat (have to admit, it was hilarious) Jackass (Can’t help but laugh) Something About Mary Kingpin Blazing Saddles Monty Python & the Holy Grail Kentucky Fried Movie UHF! Half-Baked

…that’s all I got for now…

By berigan

December 22, 2006 05:23 PM | Link to this

Oh yes, Merry Christmas to all, even those 9 year olds!!!

By David O'Brien

December 22, 2006 05:26 PM | Link to this

Rammerjammer _ OUTSTANDING choice with Raising Arizona. Definitely, without question, in my top 10 comedies. Line after line from that one….

Speaking of Coen Bros. films, can’t believe no one has pointed out the oversight of The Big Lebowski. Greatness. And Barton Fink, another of their great ones.

OK, enough. Nice talking movies. And nice guest appearance from His Purple Self _ see u at spring training (apparently).

By DonCoburleone

December 22, 2006 05:27 PM | Link to this

OH, man, how could I forget…

Vacation & Christmas Vacation…

By DonCoburleone

December 22, 2006 05:31 PM | Link to this

Come on DOB, Shawshank won Best Picture didn’t it?

Oh oh, how about Saving Private Ryan or Braveheart? Where would you put those DOB?

By DonCoburleone

December 22, 2006 05:34 PM | Link to this

DOB, come on now, I mentioned the Big Lebowski in my all time great comedies - what a movie. Freakin’ John Goodman as Walter, one (if not THE BEST) character of any comedy in history…

By DonCoburleone

December 22, 2006 05:37 PM | Link to this

OH, Bad Santa, another great…

And how could I forget Cheech & Chong’s Up in Smoke - Man, that opening scene when they smoke the dog sh!t and then get pulled over…Hahaha, just about the hardest I’ve ever laughed.

By DonCoburleone

December 22, 2006 05:40 PM | Link to this

“THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU F* A STRANGER IN THE A$$!”

Hahaha, that part was soooo funny…

By brian

December 22, 2006 05:44 PM | Link to this

DOB - anything we can read into reports of the Angels openening back up trade talks with the Rockies for Todd Helton. It was Kotchman, Mathis (big catching prospect), and Erik Aybar (top SS prospect) for Helton with the Rockies to pay some of Helton’s salary. ESPN reports (take it for what it is worth) that trade talks are revived because the Rockies are considering taking a lesser prospect than Mathis and to pick up more of Helton’s contract.

As great as Helton has been, he currently is overpaid for what he does. His power has dramatically dropped off even at Coors and has been injured a lot over the past few years. I would guess probably past his prime.

If the Angels want a 1B bad enough that they are willing to consider all of that for Helton, I assume the Braves could get a good bit for LaRoche. One of the best defensive 1B, a lot more power, young with best years to come, and cheap for a while. Granted he will whiff more and will not hit for as high an average, but still who would you rather have - LaRoche or Helton (not in his prime but today)? If I were a GM I would go after LaRoche who is still on the upside of his career.

The Angels are loaded with top young players and prospects, position players and young pitchers. If we cannot pry away Santana from the Angels, maybe JS could get an extra top prospect to go with Figgins and possibly Kotchman as well then flip that top prospect for one of the Orioles top young pitchers such as Penn or the lefty whose name always escapes me, or for Maholm or one of the other Pirates top young pitchers. Or Kotchman and another prospect for Melky Cabrera as the Yanks need a 1B, leaving us with Cabrera in LF and Figgins at 2B.

By Lew

December 22, 2006 06:02 PM | Link to this

The Man Who Would Be King is my all time best. Followed by the Godfather movies (#3 was good, too), The Usual Suspects, Primal Fear (yeah, I know it had Richard Gere, but Edward Norton is phenomenal and scary good in that role). Another great movie for fans of Film Noir, is a spoof on The Maltese Falcon called The Man With Bogart’s Face. It’s a great satire.

By TheSouthernJackAss

December 22, 2006 06:06 PM | Link to this

Need new Furniture? Carpets worn? BED SQUEAKS? Get a job!

By CheeseSteake

December 22, 2006 06:15 PM | Link to this

“Hey you, CornDog. Whatsamatta? I dont want you to sign nuthin, CornDog. Your autograph means nuthin. here. Yeah? Yeah? Well, sign this you &$#@%.”

That’s when Larry lost it.

You call this provocation? Philly fans are meaner to Santa Claus. By the way, he fights like a girl.

By KC

December 22, 2006 06:22 PM | Link to this

You have to try these baked beans. Awesome! I’ve been eating them all day.

Baked Beans Ingredients:

1 cup KC Masterpiece® Original Barbecue Sauce 4 slices bacon, diced 1 tsp. bacon drippings or oil 1/4 cup each finely chopped onion & green bell pepper 2 cans white beans, rinsed & (15 oz. each) drained Cook bacon in medium skillet until crisp; drain on paper towels and set aside. Reserving 1 teaspoon, discard drippings. Sauté onion and pepper in reserved drippings or oil. Combine all ingredients in 1-quart casserole dish. Bake uncovered at 350°F for 30 minutes.

Makes 8 servings

By By U know who

December 22, 2006 06:22 PM | Link to this

DOB, yer disappointing me. Yer colleagues woulda gotten it by now.Prince? Never been called that before. Purple? Wouldn’t be caught dead in purple. Who hates yer paper and busts yer balls nonstop? Oh by the way, Roachy said stop speculating on where he’s goin. He wants to stay here and yer depressin him. He won’t be able to rope his bull in the clubhouse.

By Lew

December 22, 2006 06:36 PM | Link to this

That’s right. He’s so ingenious that no one can figure out that the Whiny Little Jerk is monologuing again.

By By U kno who

December 22, 2006 06:39 PM | Link to this

CheeseSteake was waitin outside the hotel for hours waitin on Larrys’ autograph, got it, then yelled “u suck” as he ran to his bicycle to peddle to his dealers shop so he could put it in the window. I’m sure u saw the whole thing ,right? Isn’t there a Phillies site? I hear misery loves company.

By CheeseSteake

December 22, 2006 07:09 PM | Link to this

U kno who, must be the whiny little jerk referred to above. Well, U kno sounds like you are not taking care of business at home.

By ernesto

December 22, 2006 07:15 PM | Link to this

This guy in Philly was taunting Chipper in his hotel, what protection can a fan expect there? I mean you pay your money, yell all you want in a ballpark, but you go to where some guy sleeps at night and start shouting fighting words? You deserve anything you get. I just hope it’s not $50,000, that’s disgusting.

By Alan

December 22, 2006 07:26 PM | Link to this

have think about the braves trading LaRoche for a 2B….willy aybar playing 3B and chipper playing at first that maybe limit his injuries…..just like nomar of the dodgers … and boost his market value

By Stinky

December 22, 2006 07:29 PM | Link to this

Lew, you put “The Man Who Would Be King” before “The Godfather”? No wonder you’re a Vermonteer. You must have been run out of every decent state with a mindset like that.

U kno who, shouldn’t your handle be U know ho’s. And Larry Jones probably does fight like a girl. He sure holds up like one during the season.

By CheeseSteake

December 22, 2006 07:31 PM | Link to this

In his hotel? Who’s hotel? Chipper’s? In the lobby, or in the bar? Who separated them? What’s the big deal being called a CornDog? That gives Chipper the right to bit#@$ slap a hotel patron? Chipper Jones should be banned from baseball for slapping like a girl.

By By U kno who

December 22, 2006 07:33 PM | Link to this

What’s new? Another lame yankee attempt to get personal when they get called out. Oops! I meant Philly attempt. A yankee fan would have come up with something original. I.e “Laaarrry!” Philly fans can only try to copy the new yorkers and then try to pass it off as their own. Typical!

By CRYING BRAVE

December 22, 2006 07:33 PM | Link to this

HEY-DOB- IF JS,AND HIS MAJISTY COX REALLY WANTED TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND GIVE THE BRAVES FANS A REAL TREAT,THEY WOULD JUST GO ON AND BREAK-UP ALL THE TEAM ALL AT ONCE. INSTED OF ONE PLAYER AT A TIME HAVE THE GUTS TO DO IT THE WAY THE MARLIN’S DONE IT SAY WE WON NOW GOOD-BYE TO ALL THE GOOD PLAYER’S AND WHAT-EVER PROSPECT’S THEY MIGHT HAVE. THAT’S WHAT JS, AND DUMBA$$COX IS DOING RIGHT NOW ONLY ONE PLAYER AND PROSPECT AT A TIME.

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

December 22, 2006 07:35 PM | Link to this

I was thinking just now that perhaps the Braves are going after the wrong Angel. Here’s what I mean. The Braves are looking to replace Andruw for when leaves after 2007 right? That is the main reason for focusing in on Baldelli and Cabrerra. While I would love to have either of those guys and either one would give the Braves a bonafide leadoff hitter, neither one will ever duplicate Andruw’s power numbers or even get close. What if the Braves offered LaRoche and Escobar for Juan Rivera, Erick Aybar,and Casey Kotchman. Rivera’s power numbers have gotten better every year, he is only 28, he can play any of the 3 OF positions, and he is capable of hitting 30+Hrs and driving in 110+RBI. Aybar, who is one of the top prospects in the Angels’ system, can play CF after Andruw leaves or take over at SS when Renteria’s contract is up or if he gets traded next winter. Of course, Kotchman can compete with Thorman for 1st base. Kelly Johnson and Wily Aybar can handle the leadoff duties for 2007 and beyond unless Gregor Blanco shows he can do it and he can take over in 2008. The Braves don’t get pitching in return but also DON’T give up any pitching. Now, if the Angles are willing to throw in a pitcher (Saunders or Santana) then Kotchman can be taken off the table.

Braves’ 2007 lineup would look something like this: 1. Johnson/Aybar 2. Renteria 3. C. Jones 4. A. Jones 5. McCann 6. Francoeur 7. Rivera 8. Thorman

Bench: Woodward, Aybar/Johnson, B. Pena, Langerhans, Diaz (unless he can be packaged for a lefty reliever then it would be Blanco).

No Chuck James being traded nor Kyle Davies. In Davies defense and the defense of his horrible pitching in September I don’t think he was really healed from that injury and was rushed back because the Braves had to have the help. If Thomson or Horacio had been healthy I bet Davies would have never returned. I think we will see a better Kyle Davies in 2007.

By berigan

December 22, 2006 07:35 PM | Link to this

Brian, your 5:45 post is spot on. Every team has prospects, some better than others. If we can get Chone, and some power arm at AA or AAA, why not?? He can bounce between Left and 2nd. If Diaz starts hot, keep him at 2nd. Diaz starts slow, and Aybar starts hot, put him in left. Angels must be thinking like the braves, if they stand pat, they can still compete. But like us, they have prospects that are at positions they really don’t need them, so make a move already!!!!!

By Dr. Conrad

December 22, 2006 07:36 PM | Link to this

Stinky, problems at home? Need to talk to someone? Talk to me before you lose her to TSJA. Free Clinic. Discrete and Free to the Indigent.

By By U kno who

December 22, 2006 07:42 PM | Link to this

He’ll probably give u a chance to find out if u want ,stinky. I thought DOB was a little harsh on u a while back. I see now that I was wrong to tongue lash him for the verbal beat down u received. Keep on with the brainless blogs so he can humor us some more.

By the Dude

December 22, 2006 07:56 PM | Link to this

One question. Since the Braves front office complains of having their hands tied for financial reasons, why do they always go out and sign worthless bench players for close to a million. Example: Woodward this year, Jordan, Pratt last year. Minor leaguers can put up the same numbers these guys can for half the price. Veteran presence on the bench is the most overrated aspect of baseball. Either spend the money on someone who can actually help the team or give the young guys a chance.

By Stinky

December 22, 2006 07:57 PM | Link to this

U know ho’s, apparently your not as big a name as you think you are. Dobra still can’t place you, and he knows about every little pizz ant mini celebrity wannabe out there. Don’t be coy. If you got any juice, say it loud and say it proud -wtfru.

By By U kno who

December 22, 2006 08:07 PM | Link to this

What CheeseSteake? He slapped yer momma on the a* with a corndog? How embarrassing! Maybe if u kept her out of the hotel bars, tryin to get a free ride from a ballplayer, u could avoid the humiliation.

Did I mention that I can’t wait for stinkys’ next spine tingling blog.

By Dr. Conrad

December 22, 2006 08:12 PM | Link to this

Stinky, did she go out again tonight? Need to talk it over? Notice that TSJA is not blogging tonight? Call me at the Free Clinic.

By Trav

December 22, 2006 08:13 PM | Link to this

if youre talking about movies The Boondock Saints is a great one

By BY PRO

December 22, 2006 08:15 PM | Link to this

I’ll say something loud and proud. Chipper will beat ur lil p** ant self from here to there. U ever seen him. He is one big. bad ma f***! Believe dat

By BY PRO

December 22, 2006 08:19 PM | Link to this

Hey Stinky pinky, U ever seen Chip in real life? He will beat ur lil p** ant a* all over Turner Field.

By BY PRO

December 22, 2006 08:21 PM | Link to this

Hey Stinky Pinky, U ever seen Chip in real life? I guarantee u that u wouldn’t run that mouth to him boy

By Lew

December 22, 2006 08:27 PM | Link to this

Whiny Little Jerk-The Man Who Would Be King was the best movie either Sean Connery or Michael Caine ever did and was directed by John Houston. I think that qualifies for contention. Certainly more than Cheech and Chong’s Up In Smoke or Half Baked as someone else proposed (probably not seriously), although the police detective turning into a Lizard was funny. Well, at least it seemed hilarious at the time.

By BY PRO

December 22, 2006 08:27 PM | Link to this

hey stinky pinky. U ever seen chip in real life? He would take ur yankee a* to the woodshed

By BY PRO

December 22, 2006 08:37 PM | Link to this

Stinky Pinky. U and ur lil philly fans need to learn not to mess with a big country bread corn fed southern boy or you will get b*** slapped every time up in this mother fricker!!!!!

By U kno who

December 22, 2006 08:47 PM | Link to this

Oh DOB, I was a little disappointed in yer 2007 projections for some of the Braves players. I think, as usual, u were a little too conservative. U know what they r capable of. ” Don’t ya just love minglin with the laid back, country folk?” I figured I had better get with the movie theme since that’s all u want to talk about.I guess that doesn’t apply to cheesesteake and stinky, though

By Mitchie-san

December 22, 2006 08:47 PM | Link to this

Remember when we used to talk about baseball?

By ernesto

December 22, 2006 09:04 PM | Link to this

Mitchie-san, I’ll talk a little baseball - what’s the lowest payroll you think you can have and actually win the series? Detroit almost did it with 83 mil, St. Louis did it with 89. But that was before the “on tilt” spending of this winter, think we have even a chance with only 80mil?

By U kno who

December 22, 2006 09:10 PM | Link to this

Sorry Mitchie-san. I get a little carried away when the simple minds try to interfere. By all means, let’s continue with the baseball talk. I’m sure it’s probably past cheesesteakes bedtime anyway. Personally, I think the Braves will be vastly improved over last year, simply because of their improved bullpen. They will benefit from Laroach being traded or not being traded. They will lose a little offense but will gain the best bullpen in the game or have one of the best offenses in the game and have a very good bullpen. Pick yer poison! Either way, whether our northern buddies want to admit it or not, the Bravos will be back in contention.

By journalist jimmy smith

December 22, 2006 09:18 PM | Link to this

journalist checks in to find stinky blogging with stinky and some more stinky creations. Guess this is a good night to do something else. G’night all.

By Stinky

December 22, 2006 09:42 PM | Link to this

U kno who, I actually agree with your last post. Don’t think the Braves can do much more. If they had the big bucks, yeah, they should still be going after someone. They don’t look bad if Wicky, Smoltz, Hampton, and Hudson ALLpull their weight. The rest of the bullpen does look better. The offense should be there.

PRO, what does that stand for - Pounded Rectal Orifice? Go back to Chipper and tell him he left his balls at Hooters.

By U kno who

December 22, 2006 09:48 PM | Link to this

By the way Pro, u owe me 60, we pushed last nite!

By U kno who

December 22, 2006 09:59 PM | Link to this

Finally! Some sense from stinky! What is yer hang up with Cj, though? Hittin 320 not good enough? He spoiled u with the first nine years didn’t he? Only thing is, you should probably ask DOB what kind of influence he has on the rest of the team before u ship him off to Kansas City.

By Mitchie-san

December 22, 2006 09:59 PM | Link to this

thanks guys… I agree about the laroche situation(win-win. But I think we will be more rounded as a team by trading him. Yeah, he is valuable, but not a necessity. Being #2 in runs scored last year, we will be fine. If we get Baldelli (hopefully) and Thorman has a decent year, LaRoche’s numbers wont be missed. That doesnt even count the few that whoever playing 2nd pops out or knocks in.

By U kno who

December 22, 2006 10:19 PM | Link to this

The one thing that scares me Ms is the unknown. I know what roachy can do. I’m pretty sure what gonzo can do. The others? I’m not so sure of because they don’t have significant time. The most intelligent way to see the future is to have an extensive past so that u can make an educated judgement. Even Baldelli! We know that the talent is there, but do we know that he is gonna be the same player post injury. That, and playin in T.B. is different than playin in the ATL day in and day out.

By joe brave

December 22, 2006 10:50 PM | Link to this

First of all the Braves don’t have what Toronto wants for Rios,secondly J castillo is a damn bum.thirdly C.james ain’t goin nowhere and last S.J.A PLAYS WITH HIMSELF TOO MUCH!!!!!1

By Mitchie-san

December 22, 2006 10:58 PM | Link to this

Valid points. I have my fingers crossed on a lot of ssues. With the improved pitching, we could easily slip in to 4th or 5th in runs scored and still turn out better than last year. I, of course hope we dont slip at all, but if we do, we should be fine.

By Mitchie-san

December 22, 2006 11:00 PM | Link to this

Geez, Joe. Tell us how you really feel.

By joe brave

December 22, 2006 11:02 PM | Link to this

nOW MIND EVERY ONE i’M NOT TAKING UP FOR STINKY BUT, WRONG IS WRONG.and the only reason S.J.A goes to church is to look at all the little boys!ugh pervvvvvvv!!!!!!!!1

By joe brave

December 22, 2006 11:07 PM | Link to this

A more reasonable trade with the Angels would be,LaRoche,Davies,Diaz for Figgins,Santana,Adenthal,and Aybar

By whs

December 22, 2006 11:12 PM | Link to this

James had a great year. Isn’t there some thinking that he has funky mechanics that may lead to arm troubles or a necessary change in his delivery that could eventually lower his effectiveness. If this is the case, trade him now when his value is very high.

By joe brave

December 22, 2006 11:12 PM | Link to this

And Detroit needs a catcher why not flip Salty for W.Ledezma a lh starter with lights out stuff.

By joe brave

December 22, 2006 11:16 PM | Link to this

Then trade T.Hudson to TEXAS for I.Kinsler,S.feldman and R.Tejada

By flbravesgirl

December 22, 2006 11:19 PM | Link to this

I’ve been checking in, jimmy, but since there hasn’t been anything going on with the Braves and being busy with Christmas preparations, just haven’t posted much.

Grinch, I emailed you yesterday but I don’t think it went through due to a computer problem while sending. Let me know.

By Blake

December 22, 2006 11:35 PM | Link to this

You guys should check out Bucco Blog. The link is on MLBTraderumors.com.

It may be bogus, but it it says the Braves/Pirates/Yankees deal is basically done. Doesn’t sound great but we will see.

DOB, heard anything?

By Mitchie-san

December 22, 2006 11:42 PM | Link to this

its on MLBTRADETUMORS.COM It looks like we gt Melky and one more player.

By Patrick

December 22, 2006 11:44 PM | Link to this

Scooter,

I would guess you are referring to the hopefully FALSE rumor that the Braves are going to send LaRoche to the pirates and will be getting melky cabrera and some other un-named pirate in return

DOB, Please tell us this is false

There is a link to this Bucco Blog is reporting it

By The Grinch

December 22, 2006 11:48 PM | Link to this

Howdy, all! Love is in the air as usual, I see. Gotta love a baseball blog during the holidays where folks are telling each other to stop choking on their own sputnum. Makes you want to toast some s’mores.

FBG, I did not recieve said e-mail; feel free to re-send it. Although I’m so terribly busy I may not have time to read it. What with the doing absulutely nothing, and all. :-)

By Blake

December 23, 2006 12:07 AM | Link to this

Guys come on and chill out. Take this somewhere else.

I realize that everyone is tough behind a keyboard. IF you are serious, then exchange phone numbers and settle it in person.

By Mitchie-san

December 23, 2006 12:08 AM | Link to this

I am going to leave this blog. i cant take this s** anymore. Sorry DOB.

Good-bye.

By Billy (TFnB)

December 23, 2006 12:18 AM | Link to this

Well looks like the blog has really gone to crap…

Wow SJA, you amaze me with your ignorance and immaturity everytime yu post. Does it ever get old attempting to get a reaction out of people? I mena I would get bored quick doing what your doing. Get a f******* life!

By Coloradobravesfan

December 23, 2006 12:19 AM | Link to this

Here is what the Pirates Blog is saying about Laroache and Gonzo..

I think John Perrotto finally got one rumor right when he said the Braves will now take Mike Gonzalez and Jose Castillo for Adam LaRoche. Bucco Blog mentioned back in November at the GM meetings that the Braves wanted Maholm and Castillo — and perhaps McLouth — for LaRoche, and Dave passed.

So why is the Braves price tumbling?

Because nobody else is serious about wanting LaRoche, that’s why.

Sure, we hear the Orioles and Angels are interested.. we have heard other teams are too. But if any of them were offering anything more than a kitty litter box for LaRoche, the Braves would have jumped on it. Nobody has and the Braves posturing is now getting stale, and the price falls as a result.

The Pirates aren’t in the corner.. we don’t need LaRoche as bad as the Braves seem to think. Sure, it would be nice to have him, but not at the cost of Gonzo and Castillo.

That’s too much.

Considering LaRoche’s value has fallen 15% in the last month, Bucco Blog believes Littlefield can wait out the holidays to see if the Braves come up with a more reasonable offer.

Littlefield has little to lose by playing Schuerholz against himself because, let’s face it, we aren’t the Cardinals where a LaRoche is going to be a difference maker. Who cares if we get him.. Gonzo is a better ticket seller than LaRoche will ever be anyway.

If the Braves were to throw Davies in the mix for Gonzo and Castillo, the deal would at least be a little more enticing for the Pirates. But for LaRoche alone, the Braves front office must have visions of dancing fruitcakes in Littlefield’s head — like most of their fans seem to have about LaRoche’s true ceiling.

Let the Braves keep him if they think he is worth that much. After all, Cox is the one that has to deal with him anyway.

By Trav

December 23, 2006 04:33 AM | Link to this

wake up dob…..

By Mitchie-san

December 23, 2006 05:11 AM | Link to this

Are we back on the air?

By berigan

December 23, 2006 06:39 AM | Link to this

Mitchie-san, even evil needs it’s rest! ;) Boy, it really seems like the braves want to get rid of Adam. Is there a limit to how much an increase he can receive via arbitration??? Is there some chance that he could get 5-6 mil in 07?

By whs

December 23, 2006 08:30 AM | Link to this

Hey…is anybody out there listening? Isn’t there some thinking that James has funky mechanics that may lead to arm troubles or a necessary change in his delivery that could eventually lower his effectiveness. Doesn’t he sort of catapult his body or something,disrupting the batters rhythms. Are the batters going to start adjusting to his delivery? If this is the case, trade him now while his value is high

By TLJ

December 23, 2006 09:00 AM | Link to this

I just read the bucco blog rumor and I hope it’s false. How does this help the braves??? First of all I don’t think we should be trading LaRoche but if we do it has to bring us pitching. I would prefer a trade for Gonzalez and whoever. At least that address a need. Melky is probably going to be a good player but is not worth swapping LaRoche even up for. I know it mentioned Castillo or McLouth also going to the Braves. Castillo is a bad fit and we already have better options. McLouthy is nothing but a 4 th outfielder and we we already have enought of them.

If this trade takes place it will be more salary dumping and nothing else. We truly have become Kansas City of the National League.

By David Vitner

December 23, 2006 09:02 AM | Link to this

Hi,

The only thing that the Braves have to worry about is Time-Warner the so so owner of this team. They need to be smart in looking for an investment with huge success for return. If they try to sell the team, they need to sell to someone that what to make the team and the organization better. Right now, they think in reverse. They do not want to make money (Time-Warner) they prefer to sell the Braves to wasteful spending Cable company that care the less if they owe the Braves. I feel bad for the Braves fans and the organization that they have to go though this!!!! The solution is force Time-Warner to sell the team to an organization that cares for having the organization and the most important thing make money for the organization which they lack now!!!!

By Mark

December 23, 2006 09:17 AM | Link to this

seems to me trading LaRoache , dumping Giles is really a bad thing since what if Chipper doesnt play much seems Braves Bats will be lacking alot of punch.Braves really miss Furcal! Thats in the past.

By Lew

December 23, 2006 09:27 AM | Link to this

WHS-You’ve posted that same question at least half a dozen times in the past couple of days. No it is not going to cause him to have injuries. His motion is what makes it hard for hitters to see the ball. He has had no major injury problems up to this point and he has shown improvement every step along the way. The kid is for real. If you ask this question again, after receiving a number of responses, each telling you the same, people are going to think you’re Stinky talking to yourself again.

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

December 23, 2006 09:39 AM | Link to this

I like Melkey Cabrera and think he will be an excellent player. This kid is a star in the making. I saw him enough this year thanks to ESPN showing the Yankees two times a week and he is a true five tool player. He makes contact and gets on base. He struck out 59 times this past season and walked 56. Now, to me that is damn good. Not to mention he performed under the most stress a player can perform under and that is in New York. Torre himself said the Yankees would have not stayed in the race had it not been for Jeter, Mussina, AND Cabrera.

However, in saying all that I think this is a horrible deal unless the Braves get somebody else of value. Jose Castillo and Nate McLouth do not count. Castillo is a primadonna and McLouth isn’t close to being as good as any of the outfielders we have now. The only this deal works for me is if the Pirates are sending one of their starters along in the deal.

Another thing that was brought up by this blog, which doesn’t seem to like Littlefied very much, is that one source has the Angels involved. Some Pirates people have been saying they would rather have Casey Kotchman than LaRoche. The situation could be the Yanks trade Cabrera to the Pirates for Gonzales. The Pirates then trade Cabera to the Angles for Kotchman. The Braves then make a deal with Angles for Cabrera and perhaps Erick Aybar unless the Braves can finagle a pitcher away. Sounds a bit far fetched but could happen and would satisfy all temas involved although I think the Pirates would be crazy to prefer Kotchman over LaRoche.

Also, everyone should go check out the Bucco Blog. Some of those people on there totally ripped LaRoche. I thought it was back in June on this blog. One of these assclowns actually said that LaRoche was a headcase like Milton Bradley and that is why the Braves are wanting to get rid of him. Somebody (a Braves’ fan I presume)tried to straighten these folks out and said that LaRoche is one of Bobby’s favorite players and is nothing like Milton Bradley. Where do these people get this crap from? Like I said, go check it out. Some pretty harsh things said about the Braves and LaRoche on there. A lot of smack talk for a team that hasn’t had a winning record 13 years.

By Steve

December 23, 2006 09:47 AM | Link to this

Yeah, and they all like Cabrera alot, too. But I still don’t like this deal. I guess time will tell if JS is a genius or an idiot.

By whs

December 23, 2006 10:05 AM | Link to this

Lew;Sorry,I’ve had troubles with my computer & only noticed one other posting by me concerning James— with no response.I was only mentioning James’s mechanics because I remember Joe Simpson commenting about it during a telecast last year. That he has sort of an awkward followthru landing with a stiff leg. Unusual ending to his delivery.

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

December 23, 2006 10:12 AM | Link to this

The only way I see JS making this deal is that he gets either Maholm or Grozelany (sp?) as the second player with Cabrera. JS can then flip one of those guys to the Rays for Baldelli. Then the Braves outfield would be set for 2008 unless by some HUGE miracle Andruw stays then Cabrera could be moved next offseason. Other wise the Braves outfield for 2008 could be Cabrera in LF, Baldelli in CF, and Francoeur in RF with all of them guaranteed to be in a Braves’ uniform until 2011. I just can’t see JS making this deal to get the likes of Castillo or McLouth. McLouth really makes no sense.

By Lew

December 23, 2006 10:16 AM | Link to this

I see absolutely no sense in signing an outfielder (unless it’s Baldelli, who would fill needs this year and until 2011), as we already have a number of options as it stands. If this three way deal were so great for all involved, it already would have happened. The Pirates, who would have reportadly done the deal even up for LaRoche, would be happy under this three way scenario. The Yankees, who covet Gonzalez, would have jumped on it. This tells me the Braves don’t like the deal as it stands. We’re NOT that heated up about getting rid of LaRoche and it is NOT a salary dump. JS is merely trying to fill needs with one of our only worthy trade pieces.

By Glass Half Full

December 23, 2006 10:19 AM | Link to this

Don’t really like this deal, but IF Xavier Nady was included, it would be a LITTLE better. he hit 17 homers last season and batted .280. he can play 1st or the outfield.

By Lew

December 23, 2006 10:27 AM | Link to this

WHS-That’s cool. James has fallen off of a roof and broken both of his wrists and has been bitten by a copperhead and lived to tell about it. He seems to be more dangerous to himself than through his delivery. Just look at the signs, though. 1.He has improved at every level 2. He has had no serious arm troubles. 3.He actually pitched less innings last season than in 05, which traditionally gives him much less chance of arm injuries. Check out an article by Tom Verducci on SI.COM about how young pitchers are overused and the effects it has on their arms. The list of good pitchers who succumbed to overuse early in their careers and been hurt as a result is staggering.

By Lew

December 23, 2006 10:31 AM | Link to this

Glass-You’re right. Nady and Gonzalez would be worthwhile, as far as I’m concerned, because of his ability to play first. Don’t think the Pirates would be happy losing Nady, though.

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

December 23, 2006 10:40 AM | Link to this

Oh, yeah, Nady would be excellent. He could step in at 1st and platoon with Thorman but somehow I don’t think he is the other guy. I guess we’ll have to wait and see if this is even true first and if so who the other player is. I don’t want Castillo because Aybar and Johnson and Prado (for that matter) are all better options.

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

December 23, 2006 10:48 AM | Link to this

Lew, you’re right about James. Some guys look good but you have your doubts still (Davies, Cormier) and others just look like they have it. They need some tweaking here and there, but they have that special auroa about them. James has that and that is why the Devil Rays are so hot to get him. They know that with him and Kazmir at the top of their rotation along with all the talented position players they have they would be a force in 2008. However, there is no way James gets traded unless somehow the Braves can aquire a pitcher that is at least as good as he is.

By whs

December 23, 2006 11:01 AM | Link to this

Lew—I agree that it seems as if pitchers in general have more arm injuries today than before. In the 60’s didn’t pitchers pitch many more innings than pitchers today do, staffs were built on 4 man rotations with only 9 or 10 man pitching staffs,and I don’t recall hearing about as many arm problems as we hear about today. So,is it overuse,incorrect use,conditioning,mechanics,different types of pitches,training, pitching at too young an age, or other factors that I’m not thinking of right now that makes pitchers seem so fragile.Is there more focus on them from the media & internet today bringing it more to our attention.Are they more whiney today.

By joe brave

December 23, 2006 11:07 AM | Link to this

I am with you guys I don’t like this trade at all the way it stands,J.S. HAS TO GET A PITCHER!!! if not this one’s gonna hurt!!!!!!!!

By Movie Freak

December 23, 2006 11:17 AM | Link to this

HARD TIMES! Charles Bronson, James Coburn, and Strother Martin…one of the best movies I have EVER seen. If not THE BEST!

By joe brave

December 23, 2006 11:32 AM | Link to this

Or does J.S. believe the way i do that lAROCHE WAS A ONE YEAR WONDER?

By Lee Marvin

December 23, 2006 11:43 AM | Link to this

Hard to believe I’ve been gone for nearly 19 years. I made a movie back in the early 70’s called ‘The Emperor of the North Pole’. Ernie Borgnine and Keith Carradine costarred. I would have liked to have seen it do a little better at the box office, but I think it stands up. If it pops up again on ‘On Demand’, check it out.

By whs

December 23, 2006 11:46 AM | Link to this

joe brave; I’m gonna guess that Laroche is not just a one year wonder because didn’t he shift dramatically and have much higher production numbers after beginning meds for ADD. He seemed more focused at the plate.One would expect he would be similar to start off the year if it indeed was due in part or in full to the meds.

By joe brave

December 23, 2006 11:53 AM | Link to this

HEY J.S. expand the deal with the Angels,go get us a stud for christmas for goodness sakes don’t just do something SIT THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!

By journalist jimmy smith

December 23, 2006 11:55 AM | Link to this

ken griffey, jr injured his big toe and now has a broken hand. toes are not to be trifled with. lew, what is on the menu for christmas day? and where is carolina lady? would like to have a seat at that dinner table! now, baseball … some players don’t fit well with bobby. bobby doesn’t talk about it - they just go away. dob says laroche is one of the best teammates - but does bobby like him? now, who will go on radio with dob if laroche is traded? uh, chipper is not a good choice. you know, hudson is not either. perhaps we will hear from the wick. that would make for some good radio what with wick working on that big chaw while talking with dob. now, ‘tis the season and this journalist must go shopping.

By joe brave

December 23, 2006 11:59 AM | Link to this

Iknow a lot of it is pure speculation, but if the Braves are trying to deal LaRoche then one has to wonder!just a thought on the reasoning to trade him. but no way i do him just for Cabrera! if that were the case i’d do the Ray/Penn deal first two studs for the price of one but no one else believes in him as much or he would be gone already!

By joe brave

December 23, 2006 12:04 PM | Link to this

but for all sensible purposes before we start hailing Cabrera as the next Andruw,the fact remains he is an on base machine I mean his obp is .380 and did hti .280 in the lead off spot last year. who’s to say he wont continue to blossom into a beast?also I would still call jon daniels S.D. did trade barfield for nothing they may do the same with Kinsler.

By joe brave

December 23, 2006 12:09 PM | Link to this

WHS, i know what your saying and while yes LaRoche is just 27 there is always the JAVY factor look at6 hiss regression after a career year. i mean it is possible. personally i would like to see Thorman at first full time i think he would bloom into a Mcgwire type of 1b.

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

December 23, 2006 12:10 PM | Link to this

LaRoche is no one year wonder. He said all along that he would be a much better player if he played everyday. Once he began to play everyday, his words became true. Some guys don’t do well in platoons. They have to be out there every single day. Now, I think the Braves don’t want to trade LaRoche but know that they have other needs and LaRoche is their most tradeable player. The Braves believe they have a 1B who can fill the role that would be voided by LaRoche, however they have other needs that LaRoche through trade could fill. JS knows he has to not only look out for 2007 but beyond. He realizes that they have a next to none chance of keeping Andruw. He also realizes that the outfielders he currently has are good but none of them will probably be much better than they are right now. A lot of people on here seem to think that it will be easy to go out and sign a free agent next offseason. Well, apparently they haven’t been paying attention to the esclating salaries. Not to mention the only CFs of worth that will be free agents next offseason are Andruw and Torri Hunter. Hunter will get at least $16 mil a year. Again, Braves can’t afford that. I think JS believes as many others do (including the Yankees themselves) that Cabrera is going to be a hitting star and is already an excellent defensive outfielder. So, he may see trading LaRoche worth the risk because Cabrera has five more years before he can be a free agent just like Francoeur. If the Braves could still get Baldelli they would have the assurance that their outfield would be set through 2011 and at a relatively cheap rate. Frenchy is a superstar in waiting as is Baldelli and many believe Cabrera. So, JS and Cox could be envisioning an outfield that will feature Cabrera who is capable of .300/25/80, Baldelli who is capable of .300/15-20/60+/.360+OBP, and Frenchy who is capable of .275/35-40/120+ (if he learns a bit of patience at the plate). That sounds like a good outfield to me. I’m not saying I am comfortable with the Cabrera trade as it stands. I’m just saying I can see where the Braves would be.

By joe brave

December 23, 2006 12:24 PM | Link to this

I agree with you on most of your points Robert everyone knows A.J. is gone.What i am saying is LaRoche is an overvalued player in most G.M’S. eyes while his prod. may have risen, remember what goes up must come down. and i just don’t view him as a R. palmeiro or D Lee type player he is just not clutch enough.

By N8

December 23, 2006 12:29 PM | Link to this

Hey all.

This is a little off topic, but it’s still very relevant to the Bravos.

Here’s a link to a story about this years luxury tax and it has a chart of EVERY teams final payroll total for 2006. (The Braves are listed at 92 million, but we all know the situation with the Hampton contract and how JS calculates the “average” to be at about 80 million).

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/baseball/mlb/12/22/luxury.tax.ap/index.html

Anyhow, just thought it was INTERESTING to say the least, that according to that chart, 4 of the 8 teams that made the post season last year had a payroll LESS than that of ours. Yet SO MANY PEOPLE are STILL whining about Time AOL/Liberty media being at fault for our failures.

Winning and losing has WAY more to do with the quality of players you bring in (trades, draft, free agency), not the DOLLARS you spend (or in many cases OVERSPEND) for guys that do NOTHING for you. Prime example: NY YANKEES. There payroll is DOUBLE ours (almos TRIPLE if you go with JS and have ours at 80 million). Were they TWICE as good as us last year?

Hmmmm. We had 79 wins (if they were double that would put them at - 79 x 2 = 158 wins) NOPE! Not even close. Do you guys really want JS spending 40 million dollars to sign TED FRICKIN LILLY???

I understand that SOME of you want Liberty Media (or TIME) to spend some more money to at the very least RETAIN our players (Giles, Glavine -BOTH TIMES- Millwood and in the future Andruw). That I can live with. If that’s your ONLY complaint about the payroll, I can accept that. But for ANY of you to want JS to go OVERSPEND for the mediocre (AT BEST) talent in the free agent pool, that’s insane, IMO.

Draft and develop, people. That’s the name of the game. Then when a player is too expensive (or if you have somebody cheaper and younger that can do the job), you move them in a trade to help you in an area you don’t have help on the way. Or you let them WALK.

Sad to see Giles go for NOTHING. But oh well. Sadder is NOT having the flexibilty to bring Glavine back. But that would’ve been a one year fix (if that). Why not go for some youth? If we make the playoffs next year, GREAT! If not. Well, I for one, am willing to “wait” for the young guys to come along. I’d rather lose with youth and enthusiasm, than lose with overpaid veterans. Just my opinion.

Have a good holiday everybody.

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

December 23, 2006 12:36 PM | Link to this

I just want to the Bucco Blog and its reporting that a reporter spoke to Mike Gonzales last night and he said he hasn’t had a physical since Dec. 11. But, he cautioned that Gonzales could be covering because like the Braves the Pirates don’t allow any discussion of trades whether its a top exec or the ball boy. He said he isn’t going to say its true but that something is going on because his source confirmed it last night and a totally different source confirmed it to a local radio or television station. He claims his source is in the know as well as the one at the station. So, we’ll see.

I wonder if the Angels are going to be a bit more aggressive now in trying to land LaRoche because with Rivera getting hurt that leaves a hole in the lineup. They say he could be ready by opening day. COULD BE?

Where is DOB? I know he is on vacation but somebody has had to call him by now asking if this is true. DOB, we need you. Just take two minutes and tell us either yes there is something to it or no its a bunch of bs.

By joe brave

December 23, 2006 12:37 PM | Link to this

What about a T Hudson/R.Langerhans to the Rangers for I.Kinsler,R.Tejada,S Feldman deal? that would make a lot of sense too. gives the Rangers whatn they want gives the Braves what they want,and keep LaRoche.

By frank

December 23, 2006 01:04 PM | Link to this

Bob Ley says AJC was wrong to rip his report on LaRoche’s ADD:

http://www.sportsmediaguide.com/12212006-BobLey.asp

By joe brave

December 23, 2006 01:09 PM | Link to this

One more time the Braves DO NOT WANT J.Castillo period end of story!!!! now if P.Hughes or P.Maholm were involved YES but otherwise some IDIOT on the Bucco Blog is just wishing!!!!!!!!!

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

December 23, 2006 01:21 PM | Link to this

Joe Brave, I like that deal myself. Kinsler becomes the 2B which would allow K. Johnson to platoon in LF with Diaz (unless Baldelli is acquired). But, would the Rangers go for it? If they don’t get Zito, they might. As it stands right now, they are not better than the Angels or A’s and truthfully if the back end of the Mariners’ rotation could be serviceable, they could be the worst team in the AL West. I personally would like to see CJ Wilson in the deal but that could be asking for too much.

Heck, a three way with the O’s could certainly fit the bill as well. The O’s send Penn and Bedard to Texas for Texeira, Tejada, and Feldman. Then the Rangers send CJ Wilson, Kinsler, and Bedard for Hudson, Langerhans, and LaRoche.

The O’s get their lefthanded power hitting first base and two stud pitchers in exchange for one established pitcher and one very talented pitcher, but one who has not blossomed. The Rangers get an ace in Hudson, a young power hitting and cheap 1B in LaRoche to replace Texeira, as well as a solid defensive outfield who has shown the ability to hit and could truly blossom hitting in that park. The Braves get a great young 2B in Kinsler, the stud lefthanded arm for the bullpen they are so desperately seeking, and a good solid starter in Bedard who could actually flourish to greatness in a winning environment and under a manager like Cox. To me this would be a win win deal for everyone and everyone would get what they want.

K. Johnson could platoon with Diaz in LF (again, unless Baldelli is acquired) and the money that would be gained by getting rid of LaRoche’s and Hudson’s contract (approx. $6 mil) would be enough to give to Andruw for him to sign an extension now. Not to mention the Braves would know their roation for 2008 except Smoltz would be set (Hampton, Bedard, James, and Davies with Harrison, Cormier, and Lerew waiting in the wings).

By The Grinch

December 23, 2006 01:23 PM | Link to this

Morning, all! Boy, my comment from last night sure looks mighty out of place after everything it was referring to has been removed. Just as well, though; it spares folks this morning. I’m actually starting to like the idea of picking up Cabrerra. I had only just seen his numbers from last year and was not overly impressed, until I found out how young he was and looked a little beyond batting average. If you can be clutch for the Yankees at that age you can be clutch for anyone. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if he turns into a heckuva hitter to go with excellent defense. Speaking of clutch, I like LaRoche as much as anyone and no doubt he put up good numbers, but they weren’t always when we needed them. I wouldn’t trade him straight up, but I can see why the Braves want Cabrerra, especially with the financial situation the way it is. However, if we do nothing at all I still like our chances. This team isn’t as bad as it’s made out to be.

By The Grinch

December 23, 2006 01:35 PM | Link to this

Jimmy Smith, how about Chipper and Dikembe Mutumbo (used to play for the Hawks, can’t remember where now) for a broadcast team. Y’all ever heard that guy talk? He sounds like a Wookie with about 40% more bass.

Chipper: “Uh, it looks like…uh, strike two.”

Dikembe: “MOOOOALAUUUUWAAAHH. ANDUWAAAA. OUH-OUH.”

Chipper: “Yeah, dude. That’s like, what I just said.”

It couldn’t be any worse than Rathbun and Paciorek.

By Lew

December 23, 2006 01:49 PM | Link to this

JoeVrave-The fly in the ointment about your theory of LaRoche’s breakout year compared to Javy Lopez’s carrer year is their respective ages-Roachy was 27 at the end of last season, whereas Javy was 33 at the end of HIS career year. In addition to this, Javy had a blown out knee, where Roachy only had a dislocated shoulder, which has had no lasting effects. Apples and Oranges, Dude. You haven’t seen LaRoche’s best yet-not by a long shot. WHS-You ask about the durability of pitchers from the 60’s. Have you ever listened to Don Sutton speak about the underuse of pitchers these day? He feels that if they work more, there arms are stronger. I agree. The only thing about more surgeries as opposed to the 60’s. Back then, if a pitcher had a “sore arm’ (catchall phrase for any arm problems), they weere moved to the bullpen or they retired. It wasn’t until Tommy John had his famous surgery, that pitchers were able to come back from their arm problems. They didn’t even know what a rotator cuff was. Now, a pitcher’s return is EXPECTED, rather than hoped for. Back then they went and sold used cars.

By joe brave

December 23, 2006 01:50 PM | Link to this

Robert i see what your saying but i’m greedy i would then trade LaRoche to Bal.for bedard and penn for myself!!!1

By joe brave

December 23, 2006 02:00 PM | Link to this

UHdude 33 IS NOT OLD he went to the wrong Leauge. and what is the infat. with all the Braves mediocre players? giles /good but not great,millwood.good but not great,drew what a joke! no one who wore the uni and then moved on has done anything of worth with the exception if Furcal,but that’s a different story! i would still trade LaRoche!!!!!!1

By joe brave

December 23, 2006 02:15 PM | Link to this

oh well off to the mall Merry Christmas all,and Happy New Year!!!!!

By earnest

December 23, 2006 02:26 PM | Link to this

frank, I think that Ley showed his true corporate soul in that interview. He’s too far removed from being a fan. Seems to take himself far too seriously.

By N8

December 23, 2006 02:32 PM | Link to this

“Back then they went and sold used cars.”

There are some guys in the big leagues NOW that SHOULD be selling used cars that DON’T have arm trouble! LOL!

That’s how SAD pitching is today.

Nice points about Tommy John surgery, Lew.

By Efrim D

December 23, 2006 02:39 PM | Link to this

Foxsports.com has a great article about the braves in the MLB section. I completly agree with Perry on this. The Braves are going to finish in fourth place next year. Guaranteed.

By Sonny

December 23, 2006 02:49 PM | Link to this

Always look forward to your posts DOB…see ya in the New Year!

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

December 23, 2006 03:14 PM | Link to this

Efrim D, I just read the article by Perry on Foxsports.com and with all due respect Perry seems as though he hates the Braves so I take what he says with a grain of salt. He ripped them every chance he could last year, so I will take that for what its worth. Another thing is while I respect his opinion he is an idiot. How can he say this team won’t compete because its aging but I guarantee he thinks the older than dirt Yankees will rise again. Gimme a break! This Braves team is a very good team and is every bit as good right now as the Mets. Are they good enough to win a WS? No. Good enough to beat the Mets? Damn straight.

Look at this objectively. The Braves team that was supposed to come out of spring training didn’t get close to resembling the team that opened opening day and Lord knows within two months the team was hardly recognizable in some aspects. Davies, Thomson, and Ramirez all missed large amounts of time which hurt the rotation. Boyer, Foster, and Reitsma (all of whom were hurt and expected to contribute) missed most of the season and in Foster’s case the entire season. The Braves also didn’t have Wickman or Soriano (like they do this upcoming season). If Wickman had been there all year long, the Braves would have at least won another 15 games which would have made them a 94 win team and a certain wild card. And that was with all the injuries. Lets not even get into the fact that Chipper was hurt as well as Giles. Langerhans played with a broken hand the entire second half of the season.

I’m not trying to make excuses but these are just pure facts. This team even as currently constructed is as good as any in the NL. McCann, Francoeur, LaRoche (if he stays), James, Diaz (if he stays), Aybar, and McBride will only get better. If LaRoche and Diaz do get traded, Thorman is a suitable replacement for LaRoche and in Diaz’s case it would mean Baldelli, Figgins, or Cabrera wree acquired and all of them are upgrades over Diaz. K. Johnson will be on the team this year. Hampton will be back and should be better than ever since he would have had the enitre 18 required months of healing by the time spring training starts. Dr. Andrews gives a 100% success rate to those who do the entire 18 months of rehabilitation. I will take his word for it since he is the best surgeon around.

Honestly, name one area the Mets are better. What? They got Moises Alou and that is supposed to make them unbeatable. Are we talking about the same Alou who has been on the DL every year for the last four or five seasons and is 41?! The Mets barely outscored the Braves last year and they had a more balanced lineup.

The Braves might finish 4th in the division but it will be because the other teams are so good. But, the Braves are just as good and if they get Baldelli they will be the best in the division hands down.

Dayn Perry is letting his bias for the New York teams seep into his writing. Hell, if anything the Braves future looks brighter than it’s present and that is even without Andruw.

By The Grinch

December 23, 2006 03:33 PM | Link to this

You go, Robert! Gotta get some work done.

By Clement Moore

December 23, 2006 03:34 PM | Link to this

“Twas the night before Christmas, and all through the trailer - Mrs.Stinky was hollering, she’d picked up a sailor. Her undies were hung by the chimney with care, Some had come off in the car, the rest, right there.”

“The sailor was nestled all snug in her bed, While visions of JackAss danced in her head. With Mrs. Stinky busy and the cat in his lap Stinky settled in for a long winter’s nap.”

Merry Christmas to all. To all a good night.

By N8

December 23, 2006 03:47 PM | Link to this

I agree, Dayn Perry has NEVER had much NICE things to say about the Braves.

He may be right, he may be wrong. What he IS failing to see is that the Braves were 18 games behind the Mets last year with NO BULLPEN. This bullpen is MUCH better than last years. Plus we’ll have a full season of Chuck James.

Is that enough to make up 18 games? I’m not sure, but I bet it’s enough to keep us in the wild card hunt.

Also, this is about the 3rd week in a row that he’s written somthing (article, or just notes) stating that Pete Orr is “NOT THE ANSWER” at 2B.

NO SH*T SHERLOCK. I’d be, let’s just say a littl disappointed if Orr was JS’s “option” to replace Giles at 2B. Shoot me NOW if that’s the plan. In one breath he ASSUMES the Mets will sign, Zito. But FAILS to assume JS will solve 2B with a better option than Pete Orr. Enough said.

That being said, though, we COULD finish in fourth place. This team is a HUGE unknown right now. We could finish ANYWHERE from 18 games ahead of EVERYBODY in the East. To DEAD LAST and out of the race by June.

I have NO IDEA! If you do, let’s go to Vegas! LOL!

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

December 23, 2006 04:23 PM | Link to this

Well, first of all there is no way we finish dead last. This team is 10 times better than the Nats. Secondly, Mr. Perry fails to mention that the Mets pen has been depleted with the losses of Bradford and Oliver. Next, he is kidding implying that Oliver Perez is one of the reasons the Mets will dominate for years to come. Zito is no lock to sign with the Mets. If the Angels truly do get in the bidding for Zito, don’t be surprised if he goes there. I have also read where he keeps referring to Pete Orr. Nobody has mentioned Orr as the replacement at 2nd. JS said it will be between Kelly Johnson and Martin Prado with Aybar “in the mix”. No mention of Pete Orr.

Another thing is has anyone considered that the pressure of the streak played as big a part in all this as anything. Chipper said repeatedly that nobody wanted to be on the team that ended the streak. I truly believe that some of the guys (Frenchy most of all) were pressing at times.

Lets look at the NL East objectively. The Mets are no better now than they were last year. If anything they are worse. They have no Pedro, Bradford, or Oliver. Shawn Green is penciled in to play RF but he did almost nothing for them when came over. Delgado is a year older and prone to injury. The rotation is a joke right now.

The Phillies are good but their rotation is shaky after Myers and Garcia. The lineup is solid but full of questions after Howard, Utley, and Rollins. Their bullpen is atrocious except for Gordon.

The Marlins are good. However, they have questions in CF and to some extent the OF as a whole. They have no bullpen really. What? Are Kolb and Alfonseca (both of whom are reported to be courted by the Marlins) going to bolster the pen? Their starting rotation is by far the best in the east if not the entire NL. But, will the sophomore jinx hit these guys.

The Nats aren’t worth mentioning.

Yes, the Braves could finish 4th or they could finish first. This team is very good. The rotation is a lot more solid than last year and a lot more prepared to deal with injury than last year. The same goes for the bullpen. And, heck, the same goes for the position players. With Abyar here Chipper can get more days off which will reduce the risk of injury.

As currently constructed this team, will win the East. It isn’t good enough to win a WS and that is why some more moves have to be made. And lets get one thing straight about the Mets. All the breaks went their way in 2006 just like everything that could go wrong did go wrong for the Braves. But when playoff time came, the one thing that I and others on this blog warned would happen happened. The Mets pitching wasn’t as good as it looked and that offense could be tamed. Guess what? That is exactly what happened. Even with Zito I would take the rotation of Hudson, Hampton, Smoltz, James and Davies over the rotation of Zito, Glavine, El Duque, Maine, and Perez/Pelphrey. Wickman is just as clutch as Wagner. I really don’t see where the mighty Mets are so much better.

By Lew

December 23, 2006 04:40 PM | Link to this

JoeBrave-I’m not sure what your point is. You were the one that compared Javy’s career year to LaRoche’s. I just pointed out the differences. Now you claim 33 is not old. No, it’s not-but…..The difference between 27 and 33 in BASEBALL years is tremendous. There was a much greater chance of a 33 year old flaming out than a 27 year old. Ask Shaun or KC to explain in more statistical terms. Dude, just face it, no matter how much you don’t care for Roachy, the guy has just started to realize his potential. If it weren’t so, you wouldn’t have so many teams interested in him. RJIB-I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see Zito end up in Texas (where he is like 12-1 career) and Suppan to end up in Milwaukee. The Mets might not be able to sign either one of them. Philadelphia MAY have improved their rotation, but unfortunately, they still have to pitch in Philadelphia.

By KC

December 23, 2006 05:52 PM | Link to this

Don’t miss this one it is one of my personal favorites.

By Clement Moore

“Twas the night before Christmas, and all through the trailer - Mrs.Stinky was hollering, she’d picked up a sailor. Her undies were hung by the chimney with care, Some had come off in the car, the rest, right there.”

“The sailor was nestled all snug in her bed, While visions of JackAss danced in her head. With Mrs. Stinky busy and the cat in his lap Stinky settled in for a long winter’s nap.”

Merry Christmas to all. To all a good night.

By Ron

December 23, 2006 06:05 PM | Link to this

What yall think about this trade.

Angels- Andruw Jones

Yankees- Salty,Diaz, and Rudy Lugo(from D-Rays-surprisingly good)

Orioles- Adam LaRoche

Devil Rays - Casey Kotchman, Yunel Escobar, Kyle Davies, Lerew, Devine

Braves- Ervin Santana, Chone Figgins, Chris Ray, Hayden Penn, Rocco Baldelli, and Melkey Cabrera.

The Braves would fill all of their needs with those trades. The only problem with that is that Andruw has a no trade and will probably go nowhere, but if any team could sign him to a long extension it would be the Angels, especially what they gave for Matthews Jr. And I would think that Andruw would like to play somewhere out west. he might accept a trade as long as the Angels sign him to what he wants to make. Just a suggestion what yall think about the trade.

By brian

December 23, 2006 06:21 PM | Link to this

anyone see where the Rangers acquired Brandon McCarthy from the White Sox? With Tejada and McCarthy one would be expendible. Might the Rangers shake things up a little with the Braves? Stockpiling young pitchers would appeal to the Braves. After losing Carlos Lee the Braves would love to pick up another big bat - especially an OF bat. They were bidding $100 million on Zito that they will presumably lose out on. Boras works with the Rangers with Teixiera. May Andruw Jones be headed their way - a package including McCarthy and Kinsler plus another player? Would they make a run at LaRoche to handle 1B and then deal off Teixiera to someone willing to deal with Boras?

Trade rumor is so dull now I have to look for things. Also anything but only getting Melky Cabrera (young and talented but NY 4th OF) for LaRoche. Again Cabrera and Hughes or Cabrera and Maholm yes. Cabrera alone. NO

By joe brave

December 23, 2006 06:28 PM | Link to this

My point about LaRoche is he is a prime candidate for a flame out i guarantee if he stays he will NOT hit 32 HR again he will flame out you guys see something that just isn’t there! he is what he is adequate at best he is not upper tier the only reason people see him in that light is there just aren’t that many good 1b out there D.Lee and Teixiera are about the cream of the crop after that watered down pitching would make Brad Komminsk look good!

By joe brave

December 23, 2006 06:38 PM | Link to this

plus he is NOT I REPEAT NOT CLUTCH ! he is a rally killer!!!!!!!!!!!

By The Grinch

December 23, 2006 06:45 PM | Link to this

KC, could you throw out that baked bean recipe again? I missed it last time. :-)

Lew, your package got here today, which means I can mail it out Tuesday, which means it’ll probably be about the 2nd or 3rd before you get it. If I thought there were actually any people working at Amazon, I’d pitch a b***.

Ron, why don’t we just swap our team straight up for someone else’s? Good Lord, man. Can you imagine how much negotiations and paperwork would be involved making a trade of that magnitude?

By joe brave

December 23, 2006 06:46 PM | Link to this

And what teams besides losers like the Orioles,Pirates. the Angels are the only winner in this thing and they are only desperate and not offering much in return,or else he would be gone alresdy! you are right I don’t like him as a player i cannot judge him personally, but i back my assessment from three years of Braves baseball on a daily basis,and at least 22 home games per year,this guy is not nor ever will be top flight at 1b, someone mentioned gold glove,it will never happen either.Just because he plays for the Braves don’t make him the next McGwire,not even close!!!!!

By Lew

December 23, 2006 06:50 PM | Link to this

JoeBrave-Whatever on the rally killer business. He still knocked in 90 runs. Just because you don’t think he knocks them in at the right time is ludicrous. As far as the flame out-Just what do you base that on? He has played for three seasons. He has showed steady progression. He has increased his games played, at bats, hits, walks, 2b, HR and RBI in each of those three seasons. He is only 27. Now, I personally don’t care if we do trade him. If we could get another piece of pitching or something else worthwhile, but Dude, you’re wrong about LaRoche. I contend you have absolutely no reasonable basis for thinking he’s peaked. It just isn’t so.

By joe brave

December 23, 2006 06:51 PM | Link to this

What I’m wondering is , John Schuerholz are you asleep,or are you marketing your book again? other teams are dealing would be untouchables and yet you sit still!No way YOU RESIGN A.J.. and yet you do very little>>>>>…

By Lew

December 23, 2006 06:53 PM | Link to this

Stinky-You’re still a Whiny Little Jerk.

By David O'Brien

December 23, 2006 06:57 PM | Link to this

Robert, hey man. Hope all are having a good weekend. You wrote: “Where is DOB? I know he is on vacation but somebody has had to call him by now asking if this is true. DOB, we need you. Just take two minutes and tell us either yes there is something to it or no its a bunch of bs.”

Please don’t take this the wrong way, but why would someone call me from the desk to ask about a report on a Pirates fan blog? It’s not in any reputable publication, not in either PIttburgh paper or any of the 10 or so New York area papers that cover the Yankees, and we’re supposed to react to it? No. Fortunately, we haven’t gotten to the point where we feel we must react to everything posted on blogs.

If there was something to it, we’d write a story.

By joe brave

December 23, 2006 06:58 PM | Link to this

now about that deal Ron ARE YOUnUTZ? ain’t nobody gonna do that!

By Lew

December 23, 2006 07:00 PM | Link to this

JoeBrave-I base my observations on the fact that I have followed baseball for almost 50 years and I have missed watching a total of 8 Braves games over the past three seasons. I also watch between 275-300 games a year. He may not be a HOF at 1B, but he’s a hell of a lot better than you give him credit for. No one has ever compared his power hitting to Mark McGwire, but he is a much better defensive 1B than McGwire ever was. If he played for any other team I would say the same. Your dislike of LaRoche is irrational, at best.

By joe brave

December 23, 2006 07:03 PM | Link to this

like you Lew i have my opinion and i after over 30 years over mlb observation and 2 years in the Reds farm system i have seen this kind of thing once to often his talent level is at it’s peak which is why J.S. is listening and other clubs are NOT OVER PAYING nor will they!!!

By Ron

December 23, 2006 07:04 PM | Link to this

Grinch, dude it would be a very very very difficult thing to do but so what try teams can get things done pretty fast when really tryin and it is a win for all teams involved. Tell me if the trade would work, because I know it could very tough to do but would work. Would that not be a good trade for all yes or no, what you think.

By joe brave

December 23, 2006 07:08 PM | Link to this

Merry Christmas D.O.B and to all maybe we will get our hunger for a deal fed by New Years day!!!!! going to da club to perform some tunes and chill with the wife have fun and like I said Merry Christmas!!!!!!!!!

By joe brave

December 23, 2006 07:21 PM | Link to this

And LEW I ‘M NOT TRYING TO PUSH YOUR BUTTONS DUDE, I just know what i see and I just don’t see Adam in the same light as you do!peronally I think Thorman has a higher upside and is a lot better at 1b than given credit for! this kid has all the tools. and will prove it too if he had a shot to play every day!!!

By Ron

December 23, 2006 07:30 PM | Link to this

Some of yall are saying no way. It want happen but if it did it would be a great trade for all and no one can say that it is not. It is not like teams have not discussed some of those deals, i am not gettin this out of thin air. Just maximising the trade. I think a trade will happen but it might be a three way team instead of a five team trade, but either way it will probably be good trades. JS has only made about 2 bonehead trades since he has been in Atlanta.

By Ron

December 23, 2006 07:38 PM | Link to this

Joe brave I think that you may be right, I really like LaRoche but I think that Thorman can be a really good player given playin time. You know who he reminds me of Ryan Klesko from the mid to late 90’s and in the 00’s until he got injured a lot, he may not be as good as Ryan Klesko but if he is half that good I think the Braves would be in pretty good shape.

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

December 23, 2006 07:39 PM | Link to this

I hear you, DOB. This guy claims two different sources are confirming this. I just don’t see it.

I think if any deal gets done its with the Angles as far as LaRoche goes unless the Pirates can find a third team willing to give the Braves what they want.

Now, I’m mad as hell about this Brandon McCarthy thing. The Sox traded him to Texas for who? This makes no sense. When the Sox contaced the Braves last season about Andruw and JS said he wanted McCarthy, Kenny Williams said “no way”. He could have had the best centerfielder of our time. But, instead, he trades McCarthy to the Rangers for pitchers that still have a couple of years before they are ready. Something isn’t right about that. Williams is smarter than that. I think.

The Braves should definitely hit the Rangers up for a deal. The Braves should attempt to get Cameron Loe or Tejada, Kinsler, and perhaps CJ Wilson for LaRoche. Bring the Angles or the Orioles in as a third team and something could be cooking.

By Pascal

December 23, 2006 07:48 PM | Link to this

If we trade with the Angles like RobertJITB suggests I think we should get young prospect Isosceles Wilson and a SP for LaRoche.

Remember, if we are going to get top-notch talent we’ll have to give up some very good players. A trade needs to be equilateral for all.

By The Grinch

December 23, 2006 08:11 PM | Link to this

Ron, your proposal would benefit all teams on paper (though it can be argued either way), but I can’t imagine it going down. There are just entirely too many variables. But sure, as a fantasy trade it’s creative.

By Kicking Television

December 23, 2006 08:23 PM | Link to this

All this stuff about a mythical 3 way trade with Pitt and NYY is the perfect leverage JS needs to pull off the Baldelli trade that he really wants. JS takes these other deals to the brink in hopes that TB will cave and deal Baldelli without having to give up Chucky James. Baldelli is the perfect fit for now and for later when Andruw bolts for greener (cash) pastures.

By Tom H

December 23, 2006 08:39 PM | Link to this

Enjoy the column very much. Curious why John Foster does not appear on Brave’s rosters I have seen. He is a lefty reliever who did look promising at times. Is he still in the organization? Maybe he still has options so is on a minor league roster. If so, do you think he has a shot in 2007?

By R.E. H.

December 23, 2006 08:44 PM | Link to this

Same old story, develop a potential superstar in laroche and you trade him for a guy you can’t even guarantee will be with your club next year. What a mute point if you had a Wilson Betamit to play second base for the next six or seven years, he can;t be eligable for arbitration for another year, the guy that yiu traded him for isn’t even with your clib now. Keep Adam and use Andrew Jones to get what you want, he’s going to be gone anyway. After all his agent is Scott Boras, he could get a little leaguer six figures.

By journalist jimmy smith

December 23, 2006 08:50 PM | Link to this

this journalist is checking in on a slow blog night. most everyone is at a christmas party and this journalist will soon be on this journalist’s way to such a party. this afternoon, baby seal and the hartebeest were loaned to the presebyterian church for their manger scene tonight. both had to be there early for practice. last year they were quite the hit. tomorrow, a feast has been prepared as well as christmas day when a fine honey-baked ham will be consumed. what do they eat in kansas city on christmas day? barbecue? reindeer? let us hope there will be no reindeer confusion with hartebeest this christmas as there was last year. things got a little ugly in the hotel when a construction worker started taunting the hartebeest saying hartebeest has only two toes. before this journalist knew what was happening they were scuffling on the ground! now, baseball … where will chipper play next year if he is found to have assaulted a fan? oh, the humanity! might be able to break that contract and free up $11 million. not wishing, just thinking.

By Lew

December 23, 2006 08:55 PM | Link to this

JoeBrave-Apparently I’m pushing your buttons, Dude. I already said I’d like to see Roachy traded for Gonzalez. I think the addition of Gonzalez would reduce things to a five inning game, thereby improving our entire pitching rotation. I also think Thorman would be an acceptable 1B substitute for Raocy. I just think your classification of him as a flameout waiting to happen is entirely uninformed and totally wrong. I guess time will tell. Reds organization, huh?

By berigan

December 23, 2006 08:59 PM | Link to this

Robert(Justice Is The Best) MLBRUMORS.COM acts like Kenny Williams got the best of that trade, that the 2 players were #1 and #8 in the Rangers organization. The Rangers can make mistakes(Trading Sosa, paying A-Rod much more than anyone else was willing to) they may regret giving up 2 pitchers for one.

By berigan

December 23, 2006 09:06 PM | Link to this

Oh, I will probably mention this several times, in the next few days. If I use my internet explorer browser on a blog filled up like this one? It takes at least 5 minutes to get to the point I can read/post. Pretty much freezes the ol’ computer. I hit control/alt/delete (At the same time) and saw my CPU usage was 100%!!!! So, what’s my point, you say??? Just for the heck of it, I went over to an old Netscape Browser. I can read the posts almost immediately!!!! I can scoll down as the page fills in! (I get an hourglass if I try that with I.E) So, I bet this is why a few others here have talked about the blog being so slow, and others scratch their head wondering why we are complaining. What version do you all have of IE??? Or is everyone using Mozilla, Netscape, etc????

By Ron

December 23, 2006 09:27 PM | Link to this

This just in Braves Yankees and Pirates have completed the deal. The Yankees get Gonzalez, The Pirates get LaRoche and the Braves get Melkey Cabrera and Mclouth or Castillo. Just been confirmed.

By brian

December 23, 2006 09:55 PM | Link to this

please say no Ron.

I would like to see the Braves go after Brandon McCarthy. 6’7” righty only 23 years old who can pitch. Rangers need a bat and we need solid young SP. I was hoping we would get McCarthy or Ervin Santana last trade deadline in a package for Andruw. Texas is probably a more desirable place for Andruw, and they hopefully would be more willing to deal McCarthy to the Braves

By TLJ

December 23, 2006 09:59 PM | Link to this

Ron, You stated LaRoche had been traded but I haven’t been able to find anything to confirm the trade. Where did you get the information? If true it will be a VERY BAD trade for the braves.

By NeutralObserver

December 23, 2006 10:10 PM | Link to this

I must say Ron, That is a very bold announcement that you made.

You stated that a rumor of a Braves-Pirates-Yankees, based on a day or two of blogs, but not substantied by any media, has taken place. You can’t name the second player that the Braves will recieve in the trade beyond what was previously blogged either.

Do you work in the Braves or Yankees or Pirates front office?

By mariner

December 23, 2006 10:14 PM | Link to this

I’m using Mozilla and have never experienced the delays others seem to have.

By Drummerdad

December 23, 2006 10:46 PM | Link to this

The folks over at MLB Trade Rumors are going to mess with their credibility pretty seriously if they keep putting stuff like this out there and it doesn’t play out.

Merry Christmas folks.

By brian

December 23, 2006 10:48 PM | Link to this

berigan - Williams may eventually have the better side of this trade but man was it a bold move. Trading a 6’7” 23 year old righty with a greater than 2:1 strikeout/walk ratio for a prospect or two (even a top ranked prospect) is a brave move. Would we have traded Chuck James for those pitchers from the Rangers? Probably not. McCarthy will be solid, if not spectacular when he hits his prime (again he is only 23).

To state it again, I would love to see JS call the Rangers and see what it would take to pry McCarthy from them. To have our future 1/2 to be James and McCarthy would be huge. They will be relatively inexpensive for years to come and hit their prime as Braves much like Glavine, Smoltz, and Maddux. I have no idea what it would take to get him - probably at least LaRoche if not LaRoche and another prospect for McCarthy and Kinsler. Maybe they would move him for Salty and Davies though I doubt it. If they got LaRoche they could deal Teixiera for the player they really covet - Tejada and then the Os could get their 1B they covet as well with Michael Young moving to 2B or 3B (they are also looking to move Blalock). I just thinks this move opens up another opportunity for the Braves to better themselves for LaRoche, and better themselves with a great young arm.

I would be much more excited about LaRoche being traded if it would bring us McCarthy versus Cabrera, though I know JS does not start his day with - how can I excite the bloggers?

By earnest

December 23, 2006 11:10 PM | Link to this

Twas the night before christmas, and mom hot and bothered She looked to her son, whom her other son fathered.

Though with snout and large ears he made women to wince, She thought him quite handsome, she still thought him a prince.

And yea it strange to carry on in such a way, They two cantered quickly for a roll in the hay.

Months later a foal who was born in highland crabbgrass, Was given the name of - The Southern Jackass.

SJA, you aint got enough teeth to hit on any woman who’s not your maw or another farm animal, so do yourself a favor and stick to what you know best. And always remember, if she’s willin’ - you’ll need penicillin. Because only a deaf, blind woman in a coma would fail to kick you where most men have balls, Mr. Sad Sack.

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

December 23, 2006 11:31 PM | Link to this

I definitely think Kenny Williams is taking a risk with that trade but he has the flexibility to do it I suppose.

JS could be using this whole deal to leverage Tampa but I don’t know if that is the case. The problem for the Braves is that Tampa is in the driver’s seat on this. They don’t have to trade Baldelli necessarily. They want to trade him because he is their most lucrative immediate impact player that can bring a nice return and they have a plethora of young players who need some playing time. This White Sox deal does ensure one thing. The White Sox are out of the running for Baldelli. The Rays want pitchers with Major League experience.

The one thing about JS is that you never really see the deal coming. Think about it. How many deals did you actually hear about before they happened. Betemit was a shock. Back in the day the Justice trade came as a shock. The reality of the situation is there is some team out there that JS is talking to that none of us could imagine he would be talking to.

I was thinking however how the Red Sox could still be a viable partner. The Braves could send LaRoche to the Sox for Youklis and either Breslow or Hansen. Or instead of Youklis Wily Mo Pena. I’m not saying I necessarily like this deal but its another one of those I could see JS making.

By Ron

December 23, 2006 11:39 PM | Link to this

The trade will happen but Gonzalez needs to take a phisical first for the trade to be complete along with the other players. Should be done by Christmas or a few days later, but will be completed. Also the Angels are trying to get in the deal, the deal will not be confirmed until the players take their physicals that is why you have not heard. Highly unlikely the Angels will be in the trade but could happen. Seriously doubt it but JS will lisen to sweeten the pot.

By Ron

December 23, 2006 11:49 PM | Link to this

I have also been hearing that the Braves might be also gettin Duffy or McClutchen along with Cabrera and Castillo, Dont know for sure but have heard, I heard it earlier but was not sure, Cabrera and Castillo for sure and Duffy or McClutchen a big possibility. The deal is done though. but have heard those other names, dont quote me on Duffy or McClutchen though.

By TheSouthernJackAssRadioPersonalityGoneHayWire_RRSavant

December 24, 2006 12:32 AM | Link to this

I see all you JackAss imposters are havin’ a good ol’ time pretending to be me, you have no originality of thought whatsoever tho—and when DOB checks out the good ol’ IP addresses and sees that I haven’t even been posting then some of you retarded As$Clowns are going to look even more ignorant!…but never fear true JackAss fans—TheSouthernJackAss is soon to return to a blog near you—you inbred one-eyed amphibian bi tches!!!…GO TIGERS!!!…

By KC

December 24, 2006 12:34 AM | Link to this

GRINCH: Sorry, can’t take credit for the recipe. That was actually Stinky posting under my name. What else is new?

By KC

December 24, 2006 12:41 AM | Link to this

Sportsline.com: Injury-prone Griffey breaks throwing hand in accident at home

The Cincinnati Reds’ center fielder broke his left hand in an accident at home, the latest in a series of setbacks since he joined was traded to his hometown team for the 2000 season.

Griffey will have the hand in a hard cast for three weeks, then be re-examined, the team announced on Friday. The club wasn’t authorized by Griffey to give any details of how he was hurt.

General manager Wayne Krivsky wasn’t sure whether Griffey will be ready for the start of spring training. The club will have a better idea when the hand is examined again in three weeks.

To quote Samuel Jackson from Unbreakable… “They call me ‘Mr. Glass”. That has to be his new nickname!.

By The Grinch

December 24, 2006 12:58 AM | Link to this

KC, I knew that wasn’t you, dude; just being silly. Man, did Griffey suddenly go through menopause at age 30, or what? I’ve never seen someone be that good that long and suddenly be that weak that long (ever since 30). Did he just get so rich he felt he didn’t need milk or cheese anymore? Did his deal with the devil only last a certain amount of time? Somebody get that boy some protien and calcium! Glad the Braves didn’t overpay for him when he left Seattle like the Reds did.

By earnest

December 24, 2006 01:05 AM | Link to this

just think, about this time tomorrow night the southern jackass SJA will be sliding down Mrs. Stinky’s chimney bros.

By KC

December 24, 2006 01:48 AM | Link to this

Aquila non captat muscas.

By berigan

December 24, 2006 01:49 AM | Link to this

Grinch, to be fair Griffey broke his hand playing with his fearsome children. Gee, a centerfielder that started in the majors while in his teens, was fairly injury free, then turned into Freddie Lynn at the age 30. On a completely unrelated topic, lets sign our centerfielder for 8 years, 200 mil, just like Mr. Boras will tell us to….

By The Grinch

December 24, 2006 02:55 AM | Link to this

Hey, Man; I’ve got a Fred Lynn Louisville slugger that I’ve had since 1982. And, truthfully, it’s split down the middle (playing mailbox baseball). D’oh! As for Andruw, while those numbers probably aren’t far off from Boras’ asking price, if I were a billionaire owner of the Braves I would give him a 6-year, 108 million deal, though. He’s worth it not just for his numbers, but as a fan favorite and a guy who started here hitting a WS homer at 19. He deserves to stay here. However, I’m not a billionaire owner and TW is the root of all evil. So, I expect we’ll see him in another uniform. That really makes me sick. I can deal with trading others to improve the team, but not ‘druw. Blah! DOWN WITH CORPORATE OWNERSHIP! EVISCERATE THE BOUGOISE!

By JC FROM UT

December 24, 2006 09:37 AM | Link to this

ROBERT(JUSTICE IS BEST): Earlier I brought up the fact that Boston is interested in Gonzales. My thought is that LaRouch could go to Pitt, Gonzales could go to Boston, and Atlanta would get Youkilis and either Breslow/Hansen from Boston or Tom Gorzalany from Pitt. I believe Youkilis would fill the lead off role and he also played some 2B in the minors, leaving first base to Thorman if necasary. Atlanta could also send one of the pitchers in a package to Tampa to get Baldelli. I know this has been mentioned before but it would be nice if JS could also get either Greg Norton or Ty wigginton along with Baldelli from Tampa. these two guys are great bench players that could spell Chipper at third or whoever is playing first. I know Wigg. has some 2B experience and I think Norton can also be a 3rd catcher.

By J-MAN

December 24, 2006 09:54 AM | Link to this

Its been about 2 weeks since I’ve been on, and I know yall miss me. But I got some things to address “Why sign Woodard”, nothing against the guy but don’t we have about a million of this guy, a utility middle infielder, GEE-WEEZ. Have we not looked at getting another Lefty in the BP. I know that finding a lead-off hitter is going to be tough so I ain’t as critical as I am about getting that lefty.D.O.B. I got to disagree with you about your Rocky comments, you said that Rocky 1 and Rocky 2 and the new one were the only good ones but Rocky 3 is the best Period. it teaches you a lesson that even if your on top that theres always someone hungry waiting for you to slip up kind of like the Mets did to us this season, see we were Rocky and they were Clubber Lang we did it half-A$$ not getting a closer until late July, while they busted their humps and they kicked our butts, Now we got to get “The Eye of the Tiger” on their A$$ and take back whats rightfully ours, just like Rocky did at the end of Rocky 3.

By Paul

December 24, 2006 10:24 AM | Link to this

Ron,

You messed up big time. That’s what happens when you listen to someone who is posting crap from his basement. The oh so credible Bucco Blog is now recanting the entire story. If this trade was all but done then why didn’t ESPN and other news agencies pick up on it? WFAN here in New York City didn’t even mention it. The trade made no sense. Melky is a great outfielder with a cannon for a arm. But why would the braves do this trade without getting pitching in return?

By David-ATL14

December 24, 2006 11:52 AM | Link to this

Happy Holidays to all ! and thanks DOB for the tireless effort.

By NCBravesFan

December 24, 2006 01:30 PM | Link to this

I just downloaded Mozilla and found it works A LOT faster than Explorer. Problem solved - thanks to those of you who mentioned it!

I second DavidATL14 and wish DOB a happy holiday season - same to everyone else here as well!

By joe brave

December 24, 2006 02:33 PM | Link to this

S.J.A. YOUR AN IGNORANT IDIOT!!!!!!!!!

By DAP

December 24, 2006 05:02 PM | Link to this

is it possible for the braves to get willy traveras from the rockies? they just traded for him and may not have a space for him, although if they are smart they will keep him. if the braves could make some sort of a trade for him, he would be great for atlanta. an outfielder who hits for decent average and on base percentage, can leadoff and steal alot of bases, and take over center in ‘08 if we lose andruw. is this a posibility?

By Poet

December 24, 2006 06:12 PM | Link to this

One more poem, then I’ll go.

“Yes, yes, yes, oh, JackAss, yes you are my Daddy! Stinky could never be like this with his little paddy waddy”

By berigan

December 24, 2006 07:07 PM | Link to this

Since there is no baseball talk, I just wanted to wish anyone who checks in a very merry Christmas, and a happy, healthy New Year. Can you believe this poem was written in 1822???? **Twas the Night before Christmas Poem

Twas the night before Christmas, when all through the house Not a creature was stirring, not even a mouse. The stockings were hung by the chimney with care, In hopes that St Nicholas soon would be there.

The children were nestled all snug in their beds, While visions of sugar-plums danced in their heads. And mamma in her ‘kerchief, and I in my cap, Had just settled our brains for a long winter’s nap.

When out on the lawn there arose such a clatter, I sprang from the bed to see what was the matter. Away to the window I flew like a flash, Tore open the shutters and threw up the sash.

The moon on the breast of the new-fallen snow Gave the lustre of mid-day to objects below. When, what to my wondering eyes should appear, But a miniature sleigh, and eight tinny reindeer.

With a little old driver, so lively and quick, I knew in a moment it must be St Nick. More rapid than eagles his coursers they came, And he whistled, and shouted, and called them by name!

“Now Dasher! now, Dancer! now, Prancer and Vixen! On, Comet! On, Cupid! on, on Donner and Blitzen! To the top of the porch! to the top of the wall! Now dash away! Dash away! Dash away all!”

As dry leaves that before the wild hurricane fly, When they meet with an obstacle, mount to the sky. So up to the house-top the coursers they flew, With the sleigh full of Toys, and St Nicholas too.

And then, in a twinkling, I heard on the roof The prancing and pawing of each little hoof. As I drew in my head, and was turning around, Down the chimney St Nicholas came with a bound.

He was dressed all in fur, from his head to his foot, And his clothes were all tarnished with ashes and soot. A bundle of Toys he had flung on his back, And he looked like a peddler, just opening his pack.

His eyes-how they twinkled! his dimples how merry! His cheeks were like roses, his nose like a cherry! His droll little mouth was drawn up like a bow, And the beard of his chin was as white as the snow.

The stump of a pipe he held tight in his teeth, And the smoke it encircled his head like a wreath. He had a broad face and a little round belly, That shook when he laughed, like a bowlful of jelly!

He was chubby and plump, a right jolly old elf, And I laughed when I saw him, in spite of myself! A wink of his eye and a twist of his head, Soon gave me to know I had nothing to dread.

He spoke not a word, but went straight to his work, And filled all the stockings, then turned with a jerk. And laying his finger aside of his nose, And giving a nod, up the chimney he rose!

He sprang to his sleigh, to his team gave a whistle, And away they all flew like the down of a thistle. But I heard him exclaim, ‘ere he drove out of sight, “Happy Christmas to all, and to all a good-night!”**

Twas the Night before Christmas Poem

Twas the night before Christmas Poem also called “A Visit from St. Nicholas”

Clement Clarke Moore (1779 - 1863) wrote the poem Twas the night before Christmas also called “A Visit from St. Nicholas” in 1822. It is now the tradition in many American families to read the poem every Christmas Eve. The poem Twas the night before Christmas has redefined our image of Christmas and Santa Claus. Prior to the creation of the story of Twas the night before Christmas St. Nicholas, the patron saint of children, had never been associated with a sleigh or reindeers! The author of the poem Twas the night before Christmas was a reticent man and it is believed that a family friend, Miss H. Butler, sent a copy of the poem to the New York Sentinel who published the poem. The condition of publication was that the author of Twas the night before Christmas was to remain anonymous. The first publication date was 23rd December 1823 and it was an immediate success. It was not until 1844 that Clement Clarke Moore claimed ownership when the work was included in a book of his poetry. Clement Clarke Moore came from a prominent family and his father Benjamin Moore was the Bishop of New York who was famous for officiating at the inauguration of George Washington. The tradition of reading Twas the night before Christmas poem on Christmas Eve is now a Worldwide institution.

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

December 24, 2006 10:21 PM | Link to this

Well, it doesn’t look like Santa is going to bring us a trade but that’s okay. The one that has been rumored the last few days just didn’t make sense. The teams that the Braves should be contacting for a trade are: Angels, Orioles, Rangers, Red Sox, and Devil Rays. The Pirates are wearing on the nerves.

Well, in any event, I want to wish everyone a MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!!!!!!!!!! Even Stinky and SJA.

Oh yeah, and SJA try not to give ‘ol Mrs. Stinky too much Christmas cheer, okay!

By Songwriter

December 24, 2006 10:32 PM | Link to this

Stinky’s Blue Christmas

I’ll have a blue Christmas without you; I’ll be so blue thinking about you. Decorations of red on a green Christmas tree Won’t mean a thing if you’re not here with me

I’ll have a blue Christmas, that’s certain; And when that blue heartache starts hurting, You’ll be doing all right with your JackAss all night but I’ll have a blue, blue Christmas.

By Mitchie-san

December 24, 2006 10:43 PM | Link to this

“Twas the night before Christmas, and all through the trailer - Mrs.Stinky was hollering, she’d picked up a sailor. Her undies were hung by the chimney with care, Some had come off in the car, the rest, right there.”

“The sailor was nestled all snug in her bed, While visions of JackAss danced in her head. With Mrs. Stinky busy and the cat in his lap Stinky settled in for a long winter’s nap.”

LOL, Thats how us Sailors do it.

By joe brave

December 24, 2006 11:12 PM | Link to this

I don’t think the Red Sox would do that deal it could be a possibilty,I still like I.kinsler at 2b any deal with the Rangers has to include him!!

By joe brave

December 24, 2006 11:22 PM | Link to this

there is the John Malone factor here so let’s not wave goodbye to A.J. just yet!!!

By THE OLD MAN

December 24, 2006 11:49 PM | Link to this

Why don’t you ignorant children take your stupid crap and go somewhere you will be welcome. Most people here like to discuss baseball with a bit of music tossed in. This blog is getting screwed up to the point it is no longer any fun for anyone but you silly asses.

Now go watch for Santa Clause, he’s due in about 10 minutes.

By joe

December 25, 2006 03:45 AM | Link to this

merry christmas

i dont trust thorman, not sure why all of you do but i would perfer us not to lose laroche. His runs might not come at big moments, but i’ll take any run anytime i can get it. 90 RBI’s is still 90 RBI’s especialy from the 6th hole most of the season. i like KJ at 2nd, not sure why but i just trust him more than i do the other guys. Plus i’d rather see him at 2nd than left. I would move diaz if i could, i dont see him getting any better, but i dont think he will bring a big return. Good solid player just not great, similar to derosa, and betemit. Never gonna be alstars but should be on a major league roster and probably should be starting but its close. I know derosa just signed a huge deal, but the cubs are giving huge deals to everyone. And betemit was traded for ayber, not baez, baez was just tossed in. we got a good deal from the dodgers. I dont recall betemit doing anythinggreat for them once he got there and i would be surprised if he did anything huge this year. He’ll probbaly have better numbers than our 2nd baseman but i dont figure by a whole lot.
Baldelli is the one and only guy i would be going after rigth now. (out of guys who’ve come up logically)

By Greg

December 25, 2006 06:31 AM | Link to this

DOB:

Merry Christmas. Thanks for the great blog. Hope Santa brought you some great music.

Hope Santa brings the Braves a new owner and John Smoltz a perfect game or no-hitter. Everytime he takes the mound, I sit and hope for that one moment of history that he so richly deserves.

Greg in NC

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

December 25, 2006 09:52 AM | Link to this

SJA, despite being a complete jerk, I hope you have a very Merry Christmas.

By Chris Reistsma

December 25, 2006 10:04 AM | Link to this

DaGum. Coal Again.

By Metropolitan

December 25, 2006 11:02 AM | Link to this

Merry Christams to you braves bloggers. We talk so much on here I feel like I know some of you personally, so from the biggest METS fan around, enjoy the holidays. DOB, Lew, Grinch, Robert, Bravo Nam, SJA, and anyone else whose alais I dont have, be kind to everyone becuase a MET today can be a BRAVE tommorow! (Players, not fans)

By MEB

December 25, 2006 12:07 PM | Link to this

May God truly bless all of you this coming year. Merry Christmas!!!

GO BRAVES!!!

By Lew

December 25, 2006 01:45 PM | Link to this

Gahhhhhhh. Merry Christmas, anyway.

By Jeff

December 25, 2006 01:52 PM | Link to this

I like this team a lot. I think we’re headed for 1995. I’d hate to lose LaRoche, though. The St. Louis comparison is quite valid. You think they’ll never win then, boom, all the pieces fall in the right place. If we do win then Bobby can retire and Pendleton gets his shot.

By Ralphie

December 25, 2006 02:40 PM | Link to this

I got an Official Red Ryder Carbine-Action Two-Hundred-Shot Range Model Air Rifle!

By The Grinch

December 25, 2006 03:47 PM | Link to this

Man! I got an industrial-size bag of switches. Anyone want to trade?

HAH-LE-LUJAH!

HAH-LE-LUJAH! HAH-LE-LUJAH!

HAH-LE-LE-YOO-YA!

Merry Christ-moose, everyone! I enjoyed all your presents; hope y’all are dividing that one last can of Whoo hash at this very moment!

By brian

December 25, 2006 04:43 PM | Link to this

Merry Christmas everyone!

ESPN now reporting the Yankees are looking to move Arizona as likely 3 team deal with the key being Scott Linebrink.

Looks like the Braves may be getting Melky Cabrera plus either Proctor or Linebrink

Please McCarthy!

By berigan

December 25, 2006 05:04 PM | Link to this

Hope everyone is having a Merry Christmas! I wonder if anyone will get as many cds as Mr. O’Brien???? I got a bunch of Jazz cds by people no one here has ever heard of…what did everone get? Season pass for Braves games? MLB for the full season? High quality coal???

By berigan

December 25, 2006 05:12 PM | Link to this

Ok, on to the baseball news. I don’t think it was mentioned above, but Jeff Suppan signed with the Brewers. 4 years 42 million. When you realize what some other pitchers got(And say what you want about Suppan, he pitches very well in big games) that almost seems like a bargain. mlbrumors.com says that the brewers now have the best starters in the NL central. wonder if they will be the surprise team this year???? Cards will miss him. Mets should have signed him.

By berigan

December 25, 2006 05:17 PM | Link to this

Brian, who do the braves give up in that trade??? Do the Yankees get LaRoche? I’d hope we’d get Linebrink, instead of Proctor. His arm is going to fall off the way Torre used him last year.

By Lew

December 25, 2006 05:35 PM | Link to this

Linebrink and Cabrera works for me. That I could live with. It gives us a 5 inning game with a bullpen of Linebrink, Soriano and Wicky in the 7, 8 and 9th. Pitch one of Boyer, Yates, or Paronto in the 6th and you have McBride and whatever other lefty you can find for special situations. That makes the rotation stronger. Hudson can pitch 5 innings, it’s the sixth he has trouble with. Smoltz can actually just pitch 6 or 7 and save himself for post sseason. Hampton doesn’t have to worry about going too much after surgery and it could help James develop if he doesn’t have to take it all on himself. Cabrera takes care of any left field and leadoff problems, real or imagined, and makes a possible loss of Andruw a little easier to swallow.

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

December 25, 2006 08:26 PM | Link to this

It would be nice to get some sort of three way deal worked out between the Braves, Yankees, and D-Backs. The D-Backs could send Dustin Nippert and Connor Jackson to the Yankees for Randy Johnson and Melkey Cabrerra. The D-Backs could then send Doug Slaten (good young talented lefty reliever) and Cabrera for Adam LaRoche and Martin Prado.

The Yanks get a good young pitcher and a good right handed 1B like they want. The Braves get a good young lefty pitcher plus Cabrera. The D-Backs get Johnson (whom could find his touch again once he is out of NY where he doesn’t fit in), LaRoche, and Prado who would serve as a good 4th infielder.

The Braves then could send Diaz to the Cubs for Sean Marshall. And yes the Cubs will need an extra outfielder whether they sign Cliff Floyd or not. Not to mention Diaz could find a little pop in that bat of his when the wind is blowing out at Wrigley.

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

December 25, 2006 08:32 PM | Link to this

SJA, you’re a class act, pal. A real class act!

By Voice of Reason

December 25, 2006 09:17 PM | Link to this

Merry Christmas to DOB and all of my fellow Braves/Man In Black bloggers! The pie has been great…

Ho3!

By KC

December 25, 2006 09:26 PM | Link to this

Blogging on Christmas… talk about dedicated fans!!!

Suppan signing with the Brew crew makes it all the more urgent for the Mets that they sign Zito, since Suppan seemed to be “plan B” in the event that Zito lands elsewhere.

By TLJ

December 25, 2006 09:29 PM | Link to this

Brian, I read the ESPN report and several others regarding possible trade of Randy Johnson and none mentioned the Braves. It appears they are talking with San Diego and Arizona. If LaRoche is going to be traded Cabrera and Linebrink would be a good return.

By brian

December 25, 2006 09:41 PM | Link to this

I expect the Yankees will trade Johnsons for a handful of players including Linebrink as part of a 3 way deal with Arizona and San Diego. That would give them 2 righty top of the line set up men thus freeing them to deal one of them as part of the long rumored 3 way deal with the Pirates and Braves. LaRoche to the Pirates, Gonzalez to the Yankees, and Melky Cabrera and Linebrink/Proctor to the Braves.

By brian

December 25, 2006 09:46 PM | Link to this

I was just guessing what the Yankees would do. They don’t really need Proctor and Linebrink and with all the rumors that the one holdup of the long rumored deal with the Braves and Pirates was JS wanting Maholm or Proctor as well, I just figured Cashman was loading up his chips for the trade. We will see.

By berigan

December 25, 2006 10:21 PM | Link to this

Brian, the Yankees may just want to keep both Proctor and Linebrink(As I mentioned before, and I’m sure you know) Proctor was in a lot of games. Let’s look it up…. 83 games! 103 innings! Yikes!! The smart move would be for them to keep both of them. Of course, if they traded both of them to us for LaRoche, I wouldn’t complain! ;)

By joe brave

December 25, 2006 11:22 PM | Link to this

I truly hope all had a very Merry Christmas,I personally would rather have C.Meredith and M.Cabrerain a deal for LaRoche. just my thoughts.

By joe brave

December 25, 2006 11:30 PM | Link to this

And as a lifelong Braves fan may i say,on behalf of all Braves fans,while losing just a little of my christmas spirit,that Dayn Perry IS Tim McCarver’s b-i-t-c-h!!!lay off the Braves and the weed pal MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!!!!

By joe brave

December 25, 2006 11:36 PM | Link to this

R.I.P Godfather of Soul!!!thanks for all the memories and may Godspeed,Iwish cormfort for your family at this time of sorrow,you brought more than a little sunshine into my life!!!!!

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

December 25, 2006 11:43 PM | Link to this

I don’t doubt discussions are taking place for a three way trade with the Yankees, Padres, and D-Backs. I just don’t see what could be in this deal for the Padres. Melkey Cabrera would be the only player I see them interested in. For the Padres to trade Linbebrink I would think they would want more than Cabrera.

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

December 25, 2006 11:50 PM | Link to this

Amen, Joe. Dayn Perry is an idiot pure and simple. Did you read that stupid a* article? He makes it seem like the Braves have no chance. I mean here is a team who 4/5 of its starting rotation will be in tact for the next three years. Other than losing Andurw has all of its regulars in the fold for the next few years. I just don’t get the guy. At least he gave McCann his props, but I bet it killed him to do it.

By joe brave

December 26, 2006 12:00 AM | Link to this

yeah i heard he upchucked his cheesesteak just before he was slapped by McCarver for saying it!!!lol!!!

By joe brave

December 26, 2006 12:04 AM | Link to this

Robert,i still got that feeling that something is up with the Rangersthat has J.S. written all over it!! and would also be from out of nowhere!!

By joe brave

December 26, 2006 12:18 AM | Link to this

1b Thorman 2b Kinsler ss Renteria 3b c.Jones cf A Jones c B McCann rf Francouer lf Cabrera

Smoltz Hampton Santana James Tejada not a bad team i woud say!!!

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

December 26, 2006 12:46 AM | Link to this

Yeah, Joe, I am with you. I’m not sure its the Rangers but something is up. The Bucco Blog is still saying something is up. They are now pointing to the fact that Mike Gonzales’ pic is no longer on the website. This guy claims that once a pic gets taken down the player is gone. He says the Pirates are as tight lipped about trades as the Braves are. So, perhaps that is why nothing has been said.

I personally think JS wants Baldelli and Cabrera because he wants the contigency plan in place for Andruw so he doesn’t have to mess around next offseason. I think if he could get away with it he would keep LaRoche but that simply isn’t going to happen.

Another team to look out for are the Indians. The Braves could seek a three way deal with them and the Devil Rays. The Braves send LaRoche and Salty to the Indians for Ryan Garko, Cliff Lee, and Hector Luna. The Braves then flip Garko and Lee along with Escobar to the Devil Rays for Baldelli and Greg Norton. The Braves could then use Diaz or Langerhans and another prospect if neceesary to get Sean Marshall or Wil Ohman from the Cubs. Preferably Sean Marshall.

Marshall would give them the lefty in the pen they want plus another guy who can serve as a starter in case of injury. The Braves could use Luna in a platoon with K. Johnson. Woodward, Aybar, and Langerhans could be on the bench along with B. Pena.

By Ron

December 26, 2006 02:16 AM | Link to this

Who is Dayn Perry? never heard of him? I think that the Cubs would want more than Diaz for Marshall. I like Diaz but knowing the Cubs they would want more. But again they did give Marquis a 3 year deal worth 21 MILLION dollars. Does anybody think that JS will trade anybody on the Braves that we have not heard of being shopped around? Wish we could get McCarthy, but dont see it happening. Also the only way I do the Pirates and Yankees deal is if both Cabrera and McCluthen would be involved. That is how valuable LaRoche is.

By Mitchie-san

December 26, 2006 05:36 AM | Link to this

I just read that article that Dayn Perry… what a punk. he is obviously a Mets fan.

By Mitchie-san

December 26, 2006 05:53 AM | Link to this

Wow, I typed that real bad…lets try again.

I just read that article by Dayn Perry. What a punk. He is obviously a Mets fan.

By Shaun

December 26, 2006 08:28 AM | Link to this

I see Dayn Perry’s points and agree that the Braves may be in trouble in the medium- to long-term if they don’t gain some ownership stability, but next year may be a good one. Dayn Perry’s a smart guy, and I can see his predictions come true, but I think things are just as likely to go the other way next season.

As I’ve been saying, they haven’t lost too much from a team that scored the 2nd most runs in the NL. The pitching is almost certain to improve. Next season, I think the Braves are in decent shape.

In two or three years, when Smoltz is really old or gone, Chipper is old, AJones is old or gone, it may get dreary for us Braves fans, depending on if Schuerholz (or the next GM) can make some creative moves and if there is some ownership stability.

By Haywood Jablome

December 26, 2006 08:39 AM | Link to this

Wait a minute, guys. Aside from having a face you’d like to punch, Dayn Perry might not be so far off. There may be a seismic shift in the NL East…and not because the Braves are worse, but because the Mets have finally come into their own. While I don’t agree that Omar Minaya is a “genius”, he is in a better position than JS because if Omar needs something (see: Zito, Barry)….Omar is gonna get it. But I think we’ll be competitive this year…and, man, that’s all it takes!

By JC FROM UT

December 26, 2006 08:55 AM | Link to this

I dont mean to be an idiot but could someone fill me in on the Texas idea? Would they want Hudson? I still think JS should trade him in order to free up payroll

By NYM

December 26, 2006 09:57 AM | Link to this

“IF” the Mets sign Zito. He’ll win 15 games in a new league and Glavine will do about the same. Maine has shown he has the potential to win 10+ games and the Mets have enuf internal talent to fill the 4 and 5 starters. Don’t forget Pedro will be back at mid season. The top of the rotation will be formidable with Pedro, Zito and Glavine. With their offense this means the Mets should repeat as division champs.

By Scalp 'Em Braves

December 26, 2006 10:22 AM | Link to this

Hope everyone had a good holiday. Reading through the posts over the past few days reminds me of when I was a teenager, and begged my parents to get me a motorcycle for Christmas. No matter how much I wished, cajoled, demanded, pleaded, etc., it just wasn’t going to happen, and never did.

Much the same over all of this trade talk. I don’t see the Braves giving away LaRoche and/or two of our top ten prospects for most of the players talked about. Likewise, I don’t see the D-backs giving up Linebrink (I know they are supposedly in the mix for R. Johnson, but why would they give up a potentially solid closer or set up man (Linebrink) for a broken down shadow of himself, as great as Johnson has been in the past), nor do I see the Stankees giving up Cabrera AND Proctor, or any other decent reliever, for LaRoche, or in a 3way with the Bucs.

I think that unless JS can steal some players in exchange for LaRoche, Salty, Escobar, etc., he will stand pat, go with what we have in Spring Training, and then start making deals during the season, based upon how players are doing at that point. One thing about off-season trades - teams may want certian players, but nothing makes them salivate and over pay with players in a trade than somebody who is hot right then.

Just my opinion, which is based on the same thing as most who post all of these fantasy trades - nothing but speculation.

By joe brave

December 26, 2006 10:27 AM | Link to this

HEY!NYM THIS AIN’T NO DANG METS OR SHOULD I SAY MUTTS BLOG GET OUTTA HERE YA BUM!!!!!

By joe brave

December 26, 2006 10:32 AM | Link to this

HEY GUYS! Linebrink does not play for the D=BACKS!!!

By joe brave

December 26, 2006 10:32 AM | Link to this

HEY GUYS! Linebrink does not play for the D=BACKS!!!

By Lew

December 26, 2006 10:35 AM | Link to this

I haven’t seen any indication whatsoever, that the Mets are going to be able to sign Zito or any other top line pitcher. Their money doesn’t seem to have tempted anyone but Moises Alou. It sure didn’t sway Suppan, did it? Without a significant upgrade to their starting rotation, I wouldn’t count on the Mets being able to stay on top in the East. I certainly would not count on Pedro Martinez to come back at all, much less to come back and have any kind of positive effect. Keep in mind he has toe problems, leg problems AND shoulder problems. He’s always been good when remaining healthy. However, he is far from healthy and isn’t getting any younger, either. Sorry, NYM, that’s a more realistic view than you might like to hear, but that’s the way it is. The Mets have many more questions in their rotation than the Braves do.

By joe brave

December 26, 2006 10:41 AM | Link to this

Scalp em i agree that you may be right on,but to stand pat would be a huge and costly mistake for the Braves

By NYM

December 26, 2006 10:50 AM | Link to this

Joey What does the word “dang” mean? Is that ebonics or is that part of your illiterate redneck vocabulary?

By NYM

December 26, 2006 11:11 AM | Link to this

LEW…I won’t argue that the Braves has less questions than the Mets. But keep in mind, we didn’t get much from Pedro last year (9 wins) and lost El Duque for the playoffs and still were one game short of the WS. I feel confident with Minaya as the GM and this fuels my optimism. I also beleive, as they did last year, Brave fans underestimate the amount of reliable arms the Mets have in their system…..We’ll see.

By David O'Brien

December 26, 2006 11:14 AM | Link to this

Greetings all. Hope everyone got what they wanted, or some reasonable facsimile.

Scalp ‘em, my brother and I got that motorcycle one year. A little one _ Honda XR75 dirt bike _ but a motorcycle nonetheless. And for a 6th grader, that was the coolest thing the world could possibly offer. I was in absolute heaven.

It’s been uphill from there (kidding).

OK, gonna make a few calls today, try to find out what the hell’s going on, whether Braves seriously believe they’ll still make a big deal, etc. But not promising anything, on the calls that is. Because Braves are among the teams that pretty well shut it down between Christmas and New Year’s, including calls. But we’re gonna try.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but does Sunday’s reslt ensure that we’ll have to wait at least two more seasons to possibly be able to say the Falcons franchise has finally had consecutive winning seasons (if they do it the next two in a row)?

If so, that’s amazing.

But we’re not here to bash the Falcons. we’re here to bash the Braves … er, talk about the Braves.

Joe Brave, do you really believe it would be a “huge and costly mistake” for the Braves to enter the season with what they’ve got now? If so, why, and what one realistic trade would you do now if you had a chance?

(By the way, I don’t think you’re alone in that assertion, about it being a huge mistake if they stand “pat.” Though i don’t necessarily agree, I’m sure plenty of others do).

By David O'Brien

December 26, 2006 11:39 AM | Link to this

Meant to say Saturday’s Falcons result, not Sunday’s.

By Stinks

December 26, 2006 12:22 PM | Link to this

Joe brave is a foul-mouthed, vile little individual, he should be banned from this blog I think.

By KC

December 26, 2006 12:29 PM | Link to this

NYM:

You’re looking at the Mets (assuming they sign Zito) and saying “yeah, that should do it”. But you need to be mindful of the fact that it doesn’t matter how good your team is. It only matters how good they are in comparison to the competition… most notably, the Braves.

If the Mets were competing with the same Braves team that took the field last season, I would agree with you. But the 2007 Braves won’t be that team that had literally no one to turn to in the bullpen for most of the year. Also, the Braves had at least 3 starters on the DL pretty much the entire 2006 season, and at one point had 4 starters (Hampton, Ramirez, Thompson, and Davies) all out at the same time. It’s highly unlikely that this will happen again, especially since two of Atlanta’s most injury prone pitchers last season (Thompson and Ramirez) will not be back next season.

Again, the Braves were a slightly better offensive team last year. Upgrading left-field with Moises Alou might pull the Mets even with Atlanta offensively, but the guy is 41 years old, so let’s not overstate that signing.

The Braves re-signed Wickman, who has converted 78 of 87 save opportunities over the last two years (as compared to Wagner’s 78 of 86 over that same stretch). The re-signing of Wickman and the addition of Soriano, have pulled the Braves’ bullpen even with the Mets’. Evenly matched offenses, and bullpens… that means it all comes down the rotations.

Smoltz is aging, but has shown no signs of slowing yet. He is the most prolific post-season starter in MLB history, and still as good a big-game pitcher as there is alive.

Mike Hampton will be healthy and ready to go. And know that there’s an enormous difference between coming back at 12 months as most pitchers do, and returning after 18 months as Hampton will. Statistically, there is a 10% of Hampton suffering any setbacks or ill effects of any kind more than 18 months after the fact. A lot of people failed to notice that before he went on the DL last year (2005), he was re-establishing himself as one of the premier aces in the game. From the All-start break in 04’ until he went on the DL in 05’, Hampton went 13-2 with a 2.59 ERA.

I also believe it would be foolish not to expect a much better season from Tim Hudson, and Chuck James is a stud.

Sorry man, but I’ll take Smoltz, Hampton, Hudson, and James… over Zito, Glavine, Hernandez, and Maine… any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Even when Pedro returns, I still think Atlanta will have a slight edge (because of Chuck James) unless Maine blossoms into a star this season (and I don’t think anyone’s predicting *that level of success for him)*.

IF Pedro comes back at 100% in the second half, the Mets will narrow the gap between these two rotations considerably, but by then, a half a season will have gone by. Even if the Mets sign Zito, the Braves will still carry a slight edge into next season.

By DonCoburleone

December 26, 2006 12:35 PM | Link to this

DOB, don’t you think JS is happy with the team as it currently is constructed going into 2007? I mean, if you look at these potential trades involving LaRoche, I see them more as Scheurholz looking ahead to 2008 and beyond, when he knows Andruw Jones will no longer be patrolling center field. Wouldn’t you agree?

By The Grinch

December 26, 2006 12:35 PM | Link to this

Morning, all! Yes, Dave, the Falcons scoring 3 points at home against a crappy team did not serve me well as a present, especially since both NY and Dallas lost. The likelihood of us going into Philly and beating the Eagles next week and everyone else in the NFC losing so we can get in the playoffs is mighty slim. Actually, I suppose it IS sort of a present after all…we can get a new coaching staff now! Preferably one that doesn’t suck! BTW, everyone, I’m on someone else’s computer using Mozilla Firefox and there’s no loading delay. This is further proof (if any were needed) that Microsoft is in league with Time Warner as the root of all evil.

By U kno who

December 26, 2006 12:47 PM | Link to this

DOB, any possibility of us being able to get Gonzalez without giving up roachy. JS has always had the knack of being able to pull off a deal that makes him look good in the short term. Prospects for a stud tend to make the GM look like a genius. I get the feeling that the only thing holding this deal up is the Braves reluctance to give up roachy. Gonzalez is a difference maker. He could be the type of guy that could put a team over the hump. If there were some way to have both, yer talkin “series” contention if the Braves get any kind of health from their starting staff.

By David O'Brien

December 26, 2006 01:25 PM | Link to this

U kno who, it’s certainly not impossible; Schuerholz has done it several times before, getting a proven guy for unproven prospects, including most recently Bob Wickman. But Littlefield does not fold easily in these matters. If anything, he usually holds out for too much talent and doesn’t pull the trigger fast enough to make a deal before the deal has moved on.

I agree _ Gonzalez would be HUGE, adding an elite lefty to a ‘pen that would have to be considered as good or better than any in the league if it had Wickman, Rafael Soriano AND Gonzalez as the lynchpins, with guys like McBride, Boyer, Sturtze in May or so … it’d be a pretty devastating unit if those guys are all healthy.

Perhaps Pittsburgh would bite on a package including some configuration of prospects like Salty, Escobar, or perhaps Thorman with something else thrown in. Not all those guys, but two or three of them and/or other prospects or one of the infielders.

Or maybe they’d take Chipper Jones if the Braves would pay some of his contract (kidding).

By David O'Brien

December 26, 2006 01:29 PM | Link to this

DonC, yes, I’d agree, except I think Schuerholz still wants to add one more big arm to the bullpen. In fact I know he does.

Just got off the phone with him and plan to write another blog later today, after I do a little something on LaRoche for the paper (just talked to LaRoche, called him at his Kansas ranch; he went hunting with Chipper a week or so before Christmas at 3B hoss’s Texas ranch, by the way)

By journalist jimmy smith

December 26, 2006 01:40 PM | Link to this

a huntin’ with chipper? laroche went a huntin’ with chipper on the double dime ranch? did laroche shoot somethin’? did chipper autograph it? journalist awaits dob’s article.

By Eric

December 26, 2006 01:45 PM | Link to this

I think the Braves can stop wishing and/or thinking about Rocco Baldelli out of Tampa. The Braves are not going to score this guy without giving up Davies or James, period (unless you can find a 3-way deal where the other team gives up the starting pitching). The Devil Rays are done trading for prospects, so Escobar or Salty involved in that trade only fattens the package up a little bit. The Devil Rays are stacked on position players and need to move one. They will only move them for pitching, preferably starting pitching. They need an innings eater -slash- soldid number 2/3 starter to go behind Kazmir. Anything less to them is unacceptable. If the Braves aren’t going to pony up Davies or James (and I hope they don’t), then Baldelli is a no.

I am currently content on the current Braves roster. But I think we’re missing one key proven major leaguer to make everyone feel more comfortable. The roster right now is going to be competitive, but it has too many question marks. -Is Smoltz going to be effective and healthy again? -Is Hudson going to bounce back? -How effectiv is Hampton really going to be (we pay him too much money to be mediocre)? Between these 3, I think we need 50 wins. -Who is going to play 2nd? Will that guy be a consistant hitter at lead-off (or at least produce what Giles did)? -What production will we get out of Left Field? And.. you may not like this but… was Adam LaRoche’s season a fluke? If not, you’ve got a potential clean-up hitter for dirt cheap in 2008. If not - woulda, coulda, shoulda traded him.

Positive returns on these questions mean the Braves will be solid, and no trade is needed now, but will give us trading tools at the deadline. Here’s to 2007..

By DonCoburleone

December 26, 2006 01:45 PM | Link to this

Well, DOB, if he is so set on adding another solid bullpen arm, then why is the biggest LaRoche rumor involve Gonzalez going to the Yankees and Cabrera going to the Braves? Do you think maybe the Braves are holding out for Proctor? Or maybe for one of the young arms that Pittsburgh has? (Maholm)…

By NYM

December 26, 2006 01:58 PM | Link to this

KC, you make a lot of valid points but I’m not convinced the braves are just gonna come in and reclaim the division. Out bullpen is still better “Until” proven otherwise. We have more speed at the top on the lineup giving us a better ability to manufacture runs. Wright played most of the season without protection. Even though his numbers were good, with Alou and Shawn Green behind him he should have a monster season. And I will say it again. The Mets have enough pitching to win. 2006 proved that. So it should be a great rivalry. LETS GO METS!!

By David O'Brien

December 26, 2006 02:08 PM | Link to this

DonC, because sometimes we don’t hear the full extent of rumors, and sometimes circumstances change and rumors that made sense two weeks ago no longer make so much sense, etc.

Maybe that’s why Braves didn’t pull trigger on that deal, because they didn’t want to trade LaRoche and get only Cabrera back? Something stopped the deal from happening, apparently. You and me don’t hear everything involved, only what leaks out, often because one of the team’s wanted that info leaked out to help along a deal or whatever.

Sure, the Braves would like to get a good leadoff hitter and a guy who MIGHT be able to move over to CF in the future, but at what cost? And perhaps they decided the guys competing for 2B might just be able to handle the job well and be reasonably productive.

By DonCoburleone

December 26, 2006 02:08 PM | Link to this

A Muts fan on here at the end of December? WTF? Shouldn’t you still be whining and crying about how you were robbed against the Cardinals?

By flange1

December 26, 2006 02:11 PM | Link to this

Hey NYM,

A couple of points on your 1:58 post:

The bullpen of last year WAS better, next year, we will have to see. You have lost 3 key members Oliver, Bradford and Hernandez, one more is on a 50 game suspension (Mota) and one more is coming back from injury (Sanchez) You got a flame thrower from KC, but he is WILD!!! I think bullpens are toss ups right now.

Spped at the top of your lineup is definately an advantage for the Mets. I agree with the addition of Alou and Green for the full year will help Wright a bit.

In terms of starting pitching, UNLESS the Mets sign someone new, they DO NOT have the same quality pitchers they had last year…. With Zito, they are about the same (until or if Pedro comes back) without Zito, they are worse….

It should be an interesting year!

By DonCoburleone

December 26, 2006 02:13 PM | Link to this

Oh, and NYM, if you are relying on 800 year old Moises Alou and Shawn “I used to be good when there was no steroid testing” Green to protect Wright, then I feel MUCH BETTER about the Braves chances going into next year…

(The other Shawn Green nickname I have: Shawn “I make JD Drew look competetive” Green.)

By Shaun

December 26, 2006 02:20 PM | Link to this

O’Brien,

Speaking of rumors not making sense, how about Randy Johnson to the D-Backs? Why would the D-Backs want him at this stage in his career unless the Yankees are going to pay a chuck of his salary? And why would the Yankees pay a chunk of his salary for little or nothing in return? Why not keep Johnson and take your chances, if you can afford to?

By Charles

December 26, 2006 02:24 PM | Link to this

DOB, looking forward to the article regarding the aforementioned conversations with JS and LaRoche. How soon will it be posted?

By DonCoburleone

December 26, 2006 02:33 PM | Link to this

DOB… “You and me don’t hear everything involved, only what leaks out, often because one of the team’s wanted that info leaked out to help along a deal or whatever.”

That is what I read on some other website, that it was leaked on the 22nd that the Laroche-Gonzalez-Cabrera deal was all but finished. The guy who wrote the article said this may be a ploy by Scheurholz to try and get either Baltimore or the Angels to bite on a deal before it was too late.

By NYM

December 26, 2006 02:35 PM | Link to this

Donco, Why should I be whinning? The Mets had a good year. I don’t feel they acheived all I thought they should but I’m looking toward 2007. You seem to harbor some anger. I see you are protective of the blog space and are implying a little segregation of fans. I guess you would like a “Brave fans only” rule. Reminds me of the old days when……Well never mind, I won’t rehash the past.

By DonCoburleone

December 26, 2006 02:40 PM | Link to this

Shaun, the D-Backs would want Randy Johnson back because they believe if they add him to their rotation, they would have just as good a shot at winning the division this year as the Dodgers or Padres…

By The Grinch

December 26, 2006 02:41 PM | Link to this

I wonder if Chipper charged Adam the $15,000 to go hunting?

By The Grinch

December 26, 2006 02:48 PM | Link to this

NYM, please tell me you didn’t just go where I think you did with your 2:35 post. Anyone and everyone is welcome here but bringing up slavery on the blog thereby calling all of us racists because one guy here said a baseball-related comment you didn’t like…that’s pretty weak, dude.

By David O'Brien

December 26, 2006 02:48 PM | Link to this

Should be posted soon. Not any big news in it, just kind of update on LaRoche. Schuerholz said he’s still talking to teams, still trying to make deals, whether you’d judge them as big or not, that might help team. But he also made it clear that he thinks the team is already considerably better, or more balanced, than it was entering last season, what with Wickman, Soriano, Hampton, Sturtze (when ready), Chuck James, etc.

I wouldn’t be surprised if they didn’t make another major move before spring training. Wouldn’t be shocked if they traded LaRoche, either, but at this point I’d lean towards, they’re keeping him.

Of course, that could change quickly, that view….

DonC, you’re not sold on the potency of that Moise Alou/Shawn Green OF duo, huh? Can’t say I am, either. Alou’s solid when healthy, but that’s about half the time lately. And Green? Saw him in the clubhouse and he looked more like, oh, a swimmer, than a baseball player. Very thin, these days, for a guy who was a power hitter.

By David O'Brien

December 26, 2006 02:56 PM | Link to this

Shaun, Big Unit back to Arizona makes sense for only two reasons, but significant ones: He’s wildly popular there (not so much in NY) and the D-backs still owe him some huge amount in deferred payments, so they could rework that amount, perhaps extend it out further along with part of his salary for next year, etc.

And gosh, he might still have that neat Hummer he drove around Phoenix, with the flaming baseball painted on it (I’m being serious; he had said vehicle).

By joe brave

December 26, 2006 02:59 PM | Link to this

Hey Stinks I don’t recall any foul language from me today bro.you must be a retarded MUTTS fan or something. and it isn’t your place to ban people from this blog you little twit!!!

By joe brave

December 26, 2006 03:19 PM | Link to this

D.O.B i don’t think that the pen is quite there yet and starting pitching is still a little suspect while we have plenty of position players go back to 95 and tell me pitching didn’t win the series. the one mov i would make right now would be to Detroit with Salty for W.Ledezma and let every one simmer over good ol Roachy for a while although everybody here knows i personally think Thorman is a better option at 1b. thanks for the reply dude!!

By Charles

December 26, 2006 03:24 PM | Link to this

DOB:

Thank you very much, kind sir. Looking for a little more relialble news than the things I have been reading in recent days.

By joe brave

December 26, 2006 03:29 PM | Link to this

And why ban me? because I stood up for someone’s wife when some ignorant wannabe womanizing ego maniac was talking smack aboutwomen in general!I don’t think so. but if your into that crap whichmight I add is pretty foolish or dangerous ,depending on how you look at it,then so be it but if you don’t want the retort then stick to baseball,music,or movies or else face my blog chastisement!!!I for one don’t want to hear it or read it I have enough respect for my own wife not to do it ,and others as well albeit there are some who think it is funny I DON’T!!!!

By Dawgone!

December 26, 2006 03:31 PM | Link to this

Even after last seasons disappointments… I am looking forward to Braves Baseball. Lord knows the “saving grace football season” has let us all down. I just want a shot at the division crown again.

Nice write up DOB. I am not into music but overall your blogs are pretty good. Much better than Strictlybland/Strictlybullcrap or a lot of the other team specific writers.

By NYM

December 26, 2006 03:39 PM | Link to this

Grinch, that post wasn’t directed at you. it was meant for all those who feel they are empowered to determine who blogs here and who doesn’t. I never mentioned slavery? I just wanted to make a point about trying to segregate fans and not allow conversation between rival fans…..That’s all. It wasn’t directed at you or anyone who isn’t threatened by Met fans.

By joe brave

December 26, 2006 03:48 PM | Link to this

AND ONE MORE TRADE I WOULD MAKE THAT IS PROBABLY DO-ABLE,MAYBE A M.PRADO/R.LANGERHANS TRADE FOR SEAN MARSHALL!!!!! AFTER THAT sign R.Belliard for 2b and let’s roll.

By flange1

December 26, 2006 03:51 PM | Link to this

NYM,

I agree that it is good to have folks who pull for other teams here to get other perspectives, but it is not a good thing to use the wors segregation or infer anything about slavery in a Southern town…..

Please keep up the thoughtful posts!!

By JasonInMaine

December 26, 2006 05:03 PM | Link to this

Has anyone seen the following by Will Carrol at Basebal Prospectus:

Oh, the tease. While I can’t give specifics on the deal, there are still at least six teams involved in some discussions centering on Atlanta. The Braves are in full dump mode, trying to get something for Andruw Jones, trying to find Jones’ replacement on the cheap, and working more on the bullpen. Leo Mazzone isn’t there to build a bullpen out of dreck anymore. So how does this all work together? Why trade a young player like Andy LaRoche if they’re trying to control the payroll? Why deal Jones right now rather than at the deadline? The team is determined to find a solid bullpen and think they can do it with a series of deals that include LaRoche, Mike Gonzalez, Andruw Jones, and several CF candidates that I’m told include Rocco Baldelli, Curtis Granderson, and Nick Markakis. The deals appear to also have some other big names like Tim Hudson, Mark Teixeira, and Dontrelle Willis on the periphery. The three team deal that seemed close over the weekend doesn’t seem so close now as the complexity has increased. Remember that John Schuerholz is normally a slow worker, so quiet on this front doesn’t mean that nothing is happening.

I am not familiar with Will Carrol and do not go to the Baseball Prospectus site. I actually ran across this from MLBTradeRumors. Anyway, I thoguht I would post it and see what others thought not only about the rumor, but about the site and poster as well.

Regards,

Jason

By DonCoburleone

December 26, 2006 05:15 PM | Link to this

“Andy” Laroche? Does this guy even watch baseball?

By JasonInMaine

December 26, 2006 05:28 PM | Link to this

DonCo,

While I see your point and agree that such a huge happening is probably not in the works, let’s not crucify him for one typo. I am sure he knows Adam plays for the Braves and that Andy is his younger brother in the LA organization. Rumor has it that he Carrol is going to work for ESPN. Again, I am not defending the guy’s story, but a typo and/or mistake doesn’t completely discredit him.

Regards,

Jason

By DonCoburleone

December 26, 2006 05:29 PM | Link to this

Since when is trading LaRoche (a guy who, before the 2006 season, wouldn’t have fetched a bag of peanuts on the trade market) and shopping Andruw Jones(a guy who Atlanta KNOWS won’t be back for the 2008 season and beyond) being in “full dump mode.” And I agree that LaRoche is cheap, but when you consider he’ll be making $3-$4 million more this year than he did last year is he really that cheap? JS is working to make the team as good as it can possibly be under the constraints of an $80 million payroll with 80% of that being gobbled up by 7 players (all of which are a vital part of the team (Smoltz, Renteria, Andruw) or who CANNOT BE TRADED! (Hampton, Chipper)

I just don’t understand some writers’ rationale on certain subjects… They clearly do not do the required amount of work necessary to make a compelling argument (Andy Laroche???)

By KC

December 26, 2006 05:32 PM | Link to this

NYM: I agree, it will remain a good rivalry.

As for what’s proven and what’s not in the bullpen… Wickman and Soriano are quite “proven”. A few of the younger arms in Atlanta still have to prove it over a full season, and I believe they will. Also, as someone pointed out earlier… you’ve lost a few of your proven arms in the pen. Right now, I think the Braves’ pen looks at least as good as the Mets’.

As for offense… I say again, Alou might pull the Mets even with the Braves offensively, but nothing more. You say “Alou will provide protection for Wright, and that will make us better”.

Well there are reasons to look for more offense in Atlanta as well. Several young guys in the Atlanta lineup matured as hitters as the season went along, and will carry those improvements into next season. McCann (showed a lot more power in the 2nd half), Francoeur (showed more patience), and LaRoche (well… he just turned into a monster in the 2nd half). Also, a couple of Chipper’s injuries in 06’ were incidental, and aren’t likely to reoccur, so there’s a good chance of having him in the lineup a little more than last year.

Besides, shouldn’t we say “Atlanta’s offense is better until proven otherwise”??

We can go round and round, NYM, but the truth is that these teams are now very similar in terms of their bullpens and ability to put runs on the board. It’s really going to come down to the starting rotations of these 2 teams. The Mets need to sign Zito. If that happens, it will come down to what the Braves get from Hampton and Hudson, and what the Mets can get out of Pedro when he returns. We’ll all just have to wait and see. Should be fun though. Gotta run. Happy new year!

By DonCoburleone

December 26, 2006 05:35 PM | Link to this

DOB, where is the new blog?

By DonCoburleone

December 26, 2006 05:38 PM | Link to this

Yeah, I agree JasoninMaine about the typo thing, but still… “full dump mode?” The Marlins were in “full dump mode” after the 2005 season, what Atlanta is doing is hardly that…

By DonCoburleone

December 26, 2006 05:43 PM | Link to this

God I hope Zito goes to the Padres or Giants…

By The Grinch

December 26, 2006 06:09 PM | Link to this

NYM, sorry; got sidetracked. No problem; just sounded like you were breaking that card out. We’re a little sensitive about that down here, and other Mets fans have been totally classless sometimes so you never know. Anyhoo, I still think there’s one more big trade lurking; I’m not gonna sit around comparing our chances ‘till this deal goes down (whatever it is).

By journalist jimmy smith

December 26, 2006 06:19 PM | Link to this

grinch, how are the new speakers? a report is in order. reading about laroche reminds this journalist that there is probably a reason uh, chipper is uh, laroche’s best friend. imagine the conversations they must have!

By DonCoburleone

December 26, 2006 06:24 PM | Link to this

Did DOB forget about us or something? Or is he perfecting his next article?

By JasonInMaine

December 26, 2006 06:29 PM | Link to this

DonCo,

I completely agree with you on the “full dump mode” comment. I wasn’t sure what the heck he was talking about there either. Anyway, probably just more Internet fodder with no basis, but I thought I would post it in case other people had heard of Carrol, if his work was reputable, etc.

Also, MLBTradeRumors mentions that the Angels have signed Hillenbrand. If he was signed to play 1B, it goes on to speculate, does it mean a trade for Kotchman is in the works (not necessarily involving us). I don’t know why, but I do have a feeling the Braves are going to make a trade that is bigger rather than smaller before it is all said and done. But, I have certainly been wrong before, especially when it comes to trying to predict what JS will do!

I hope you all had a Merry Christmas.

Regards,

Jason

By journalist jimmy smith

December 26, 2006 06:32 PM | Link to this

“uh, roachy, this is uh, chipper, uh, wanna go a huntin’?”

“uh, sure.”

“when you wanna go?”

“uh, where?”

“uh, a huntin’”.

“uh, sure.”

“when you wanna go?”

“uh, where?”

“uh, never mind. i’ll have frenchy pick you up on the way out here.”

“uh, okay. i’ll be ready.”

By Stinks

December 26, 2006 06:35 PM | Link to this

Nasty, nasty, profane, foul-mouthed little, illiterate, eristic individual. A false accuser and a name caller, a false prophet and a causer of dissension—joe brave, keep your pie hole shut, do the world a favor, you need banned.

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

December 26, 2006 06:36 PM | Link to this

I, for one, thinks that Carol’s story probably has a lot of legitimacy to it. I have believed all along that JS is working on a big deal and a team or two could be involved that we haven’t even thought about. JS himself said at the winter meetings that he had something big on the table. The rumors about Andruw began to circulate a bit and Boras said some “new devlopments” had arose. Look, quit nit picking at a typo and think about it for a minute. No, getting rid of LaRoche isn’t salary dumping unless you get one or two quality players in return who are cheaper than he is. Getting rid of Andruw and Hudson would definitely be considered salary dumping. We all know (or should) that JS likes to keep everything on the DL. I found the names to be very interesting that were mentioned because I was thinking of a deal that involved a couple of them.

I can actually see two three way deals working. The first would involve the O’s, Rangers, and Braves. The O’s would send Bedard and Ray to the Braves for LaRoche and a prospect. (The O’s may be a little desperate now that Hillenbrand has signed with the Angels.) The Braves would then send Hudson and Andruw to the Rangers for Texiera, Robinson Tejada, and CJ Wilson. The Braves could then initiate a three way with the Marlins and Devil Rays. The Rays would acquire Willis, Ray, Escobar, and Salty. (The Rays would be crazy not to take Willis even though he is making over $4 mil. Their attendance would immediately go up.) The Marlins would get BJ Upton (who they want badly) and Greg Norton. The Braves would get Baldelli, of course.

The Braves would then have: 1B Texiera 2B K. Johnson SS Renteria 3B C. Jones LF Thorman CF Baldelli RF Francoeur

The bench would be: Aybar, Woodward, Diaz, B. Pena, and Langerhans

The rotation: Smoltz, Hampton, James, Bedard, and Tejada/Davies

The bullpen: Wickman, Soriano, Wilson, McBride, Boyer, Villereal, Sturtze/Paronto/Yates

By Metropolitan

December 26, 2006 06:38 PM | Link to this

The 2007 NL East Pennant depends on whose toe can stay healthiest the longest, Chipper’s or Pedro’s.

By DonCoburleone

December 26, 2006 06:38 PM | Link to this

Oscar Villarreal, RHP — Villarreal continues to dominate out of the bullpen this winter. He’s held opponents scoreless in his last nine appearances and has allowed runners to score just once in 12 total games. The right-hander currently has a 1.54 ERA and four saves with the Naranjeros.

Encouraging

Martin Prado, 2B — Prado last played Dec. 10 and is batting .267 on the season.

Not so encouraging

Willy Aybar, 3B — Aybar continues to hit well in the Dominican Republic, batting .304 in 35 games.

Encouraging

By Stinks

December 26, 2006 06:47 PM | Link to this

There’s jimmy smith getting his kicks by making fun of people again, now that’s a real “class act”.

By Stinks

December 26, 2006 06:50 PM | Link to this

and what did any of what jimmy smith said have anything whatsoever to do with baseball or music?

By Drew

December 26, 2006 06:56 PM | Link to this

I find this Carroll article to have some footing as well. It really makes sense that Shuerholtz would work with multiple teams, because there don’t seem to be many teams that match up well individually. With that being said, I don’t think that anywhere near all of these names will be involved. Definitely will be an interesting rest of the offseason, but I don’t expect anything to be done in the next couple days, and probably not even until after the new year.

By journalist jimmy smtih

December 26, 2006 07:09 PM | Link to this

stinks, you seem to have more problems than jimmy smith. that was a sad episode on christmas day. entertaining, but sad.

By joe brave

December 26, 2006 07:29 PM | Link to this

Stinks,I’m not gonna go there with you because i refuse to lower myself into a battle of wits with an unarmed individual!!! such a moron!!!! go Braves !!!!hanks for the update d.o.b.

By DonCoburleone

December 26, 2006 07:29 PM | Link to this

The Angels just baffle me, it must be so frustrating if you are a fan of theirs… everyone who knows anything about baseball believes if they made a trade (involving ONLY prospects, which they could do) to acquire a bonafide slugger to back up Vlad, they would be a contender if not the favorite to win the World Series. Why don’t they do it? So far, of these “can’t miss prospects”, really only Santana and Weaver have panned out… Howie Kendrick still needs to prove himself over a full season. Then there are the busts: Dallas McPhearson, Casey Kotchman, Jeff Mathis… Poor Angel fans…

By The Grinch

December 26, 2006 07:34 PM | Link to this

Jimmy Smith, the speakers are absolutely wondrous. Bose are not cheap, but they are worth it (at least the larger ones are; I’ve yet to understand the whole “These M&M sized speakers sound as good as other companies merely small ones do” mentality…is their target audience made up of secret agents or something?). Unfortunately, I’m having a problem with a different component of the system now which is driving me batty. I’ll have it all in harmony by the end of the week, though, and my neighbor will be most unhappy. :-)

By DonCoburleone

December 26, 2006 07:39 PM | Link to this

DOB, where the heck is this new blog we were supposed to get?

I know, I know, I’m a jerk…

By David O'Brien

December 26, 2006 07:55 PM | Link to this

DonC, I’ll get a new blog up tonight, soon. First day back in town and had to go to bank, grocery store, gym, etc.

By ncscoots

December 26, 2006 08:03 PM | Link to this

As far as all the proposed trades go, I’d be more inclined to believe a proposal made by someone who called the Soriano trade. What’s that? Nobody saw it coming? Oh.

I don’t doubt that ALL of the rumors have had some validity at some point, but as far as ANY of them being close to fruition, of that I AM dubious. Frankly, I think one of Robert’s convoluted trades :-) is as likely as any of the leaked trade rumors. JS (and his management team) see opportunity where bloggers and most media types dare not look, I’m guessing, so any trade that comes about will probably be one that no one saw coming. That, of course, won’t stop us on the blog from saying, “If only the Braves had pulled the trigger on the trade I proposed, they would be MUCH better off”, LOL…

By Stinky

December 26, 2006 08:14 PM | Link to this

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By Stinks

December 26, 2006 08:21 PM | Link to this

Awe go ahead joe “thug” brave, fire off a few salvos from your arsenal of wisdom and intelligence, go ahead, fire away with more of those jewels of eloquence, just like you have the last few days. Strafe the blog with clusters of your brilliant baseball acumen. You’re really foul. Be banned!

jimmy DOB smith, you’re the biggest imposter on the net. You don’t have enough common sense to pour pi$$ out of a boot if the instructions were on the heel. You sound like one of those journalism dropouts that are so prevalent in these blogs. What say you?

By JasonInMaine

December 26, 2006 08:23 PM | Link to this

DonCo,

The typo in Carroll’s article has been fixed. Does that give it any more legitimacy? (:

The names being mentioned are interesting. I don’t think he is saying that all of the names are going to be involved, but that if a deal did go down; it could certainly include big names. Man, imagine Andruw’s numbers in Texas?

Regards,

Jason

By Lew

December 26, 2006 08:23 PM | Link to this

Stinky-You’re whining again, You Whiny Little Jerk. Metropolitan-Pedro’s toe is already oput for at least half the season already. I’m pretty sure Chipper will do better than that.

By Ron

December 26, 2006 08:24 PM | Link to this

Robert(Justice Is The Best), Bedard and Ray for LaRoche,dont think that will happen, almost certain that it wont happen, Ray, and Penn but no way they will trade Bedard, he is untouchable. And I am a big LaRoche fan. But as far as the Andruw Jones trade to Texas, the braves would at least have to get Texiera and McCarthy. Now that would be a good trade, doubt it will happen though. Oh yeah and Robert, why would the Marlins trade Willis for Upton and Norton, The Marlins could get way more than that for Willis.

By Lew

December 26, 2006 08:28 PM | Link to this

Esteemed Journalist-I must disagree with you. The Christmas Day performance was not entertaining. It was pathetic.

By Stinky

December 26, 2006 08:31 PM | Link to this

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By MALONE

December 26, 2006 08:35 PM | Link to this

I’d love to have Texiera at 1B for the next decade.

By Hose-A Himmennezz

December 26, 2006 08:36 PM | Link to this

Lew, are you enamored with Stinky or what? Do you get an erection every time Stinky makes a comment? Damn, are you Stinky, because anytime Stinky posts you’re right there behind him with your whiny jerk bile spewage? You’re obsessed, you’re as bad as jjs. Everytime jjs makes a comment he has to include the SJA. You 2 need to get a life, expand your horizens beyond your basements for goodness sake, you’re boring us.

By Stinky

December 26, 2006 08:41 PM | Link to this

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By Stinks

December 26, 2006 08:49 PM | Link to this

Lew, No baseball? No music? No man in black?

By Lew

December 26, 2006 08:50 PM | Link to this

Pathetic

By The Grinch

December 26, 2006 08:53 PM | Link to this

So, Lew, how do you feel about stinky? :-)

By Lew

December 26, 2006 09:04 PM | Link to this

Grinch-The Endless Enigma: Is Stinky a Whiny Little Jerk because he’s pathetic, or is he Pathetic because he’s a Whiny Little Jerk? Enquiring minds have ceased to even give a flying whatever. Music-I’ve been listening to Burn by Deep Purple and the Greatest Hits of the Tygers of Pan Tang. Baseball-I think most of the trade proposals I’ve heard today will never happen. The Man In Black-I think the portrait I drew of him is quite possibly the best anyone ever did. Does that satisfy you, Stinky? You Whiny Little Jerk.

By Stinky

December 26, 2006 09:06 PM | Link to this

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By Efrim D

December 26, 2006 09:08 PM | Link to this

Folks, Texas would not give up Mark Teixera and Brandon McCarthy for Andruw Jones. In fact, I still dont think the Braves have the guta to actually unload players. They feel that is raising the white flag, although it would set the team up for the future. Oh and by the way, Teixera has the same agent as Andruw in Scott Boras. Why would Scherholz want to trade Andruw for a player who would be gone in 2 years time. Giambi’s contract runs out with the Yanks at that time. Want to get in a bidding war with them for Tex???

By brian

December 26, 2006 09:08 PM | Link to this

Robert - I agree something may be brewing but that is an awful lot for the Braves to be giving up. Andruw, Hudson, and LaRoche, not to mention Salty AND Escobar. Ray, Salty, AND Escobar is too high a price for Baldelli in my humble opinion.

I do think something is in the works regarding the Braves and Texas. I would want Brandon McCarthy myself. For Andruw (assuming Boras and Hicks works out the extension - big IF) McCarthy, Kinsler, plus one other player. Probably not Teixiera (and we would not be able to sign him long term either). I would then see the Rangers moving Teixiera for Tejada and moving Michael Young to 2B or 3B. If the Rangers could squeeze Ray out of that deal as well then have Ray being that other player who we would flip to Tampa with Salty or Esobar for Baldelli.

Since I think this works so well for the Braves means there is no way it will happen. The Rangers get Andruw and Tejada, the O’s get Teixiera (and get rid of Tejada), the Braves get McCarthy, Kinsler, and Baldelli.

Baldelli CF, Renteria SS, Chipper SS, LaRoche 1B, McCann C, Francoeur RF, Diaz/Thorman LF, Kinsler 2B

Smoltz, Hampton, Hudson, James, McCarthy

if, and again big if, Pittsburg would settle for Escobar or Salty as mentioned in above posts(whoever in this scenario the Rays did not get) plus Thorman for Gonzalez

Bullpen - Wickman, Gonzalez, Soriano, Boyer, McBride, Sturtze

very impressive lineup and I love the starting rotation

By Kicking Television

December 26, 2006 09:52 PM | Link to this

I’m working on my abs…

By David O'Brien

December 26, 2006 10:29 PM | Link to this

a belated moment of silence for The Godfather of Soul….

OK, new blog is posted

By David

December 27, 2006 12:38 PM | Link to this

I am hoping that John Sheurholtz and the Braves’ management are trying desparately and relentlessly to contact Randy Johnson’s agent as Randy is being shopped out of the New York. In my opinion, Randy Johnson is the BEST left hander in baseball since Walter Johnson. In fact, Randy might even be related to Walter Johnson since he has his same last name and since he is almost as good as him. But all kidding aside, it is rare in sports to get an opportunity to acquire someone the calibre of a Randy Johnson and the Braves should not hesitate for one second to contact Randy, offer him a contract, and sign him to a long-term deal. In my humble opinion, Randy is the second GREATEST lefthand pitcher of all times and he is currently available for active duty in the Braves rotation. Get rid of Tim Hudson and give Randy his spot in the rotation. That one move would almost GUARANTEE that the Braves would return to post-season play this upcoming season.

By joe brave

December 27, 2006 10:23 PM | Link to this

screw you Stinks you smelly little ba$tard!!!!!!