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By USA

December 12, 2006 06:31 PM | Link to this

Wrong. Only Frenchy bids Giles adieu.

The rest of us say: ba-bye.

By Trent Gilfoil

December 12, 2006 06:34 PM | Link to this

We had to do it, but it is still a very sad day and a very sad ownership. I wish Marcus the best of luck and thank him for the great years

By ray

December 12, 2006 06:36 PM | Link to this

The Braves did what they had to do with Giles. Now it will be interesting to see if they bother and offer to re-sign him at a lower base and full of incentives. My guess is he will be in a new uniform next season.

By Jordan

December 12, 2006 06:37 PM | Link to this

We can still try and sign him, but we now have to compete with Mets… who seem to have a strong affinity for ex-braves.

By John

December 12, 2006 06:39 PM | Link to this

Not sad to see either of them go. Marcus simply is not that good. We could pull up a guy from the minors to put up his numbers. Everyone liked his scrappy style…but that doesn’t put runs on the board. So long…

By maddog281

December 12, 2006 06:39 PM | Link to this

Sadly, yes it was the right move. I love Marcus, I love his hustle, and I love his potential. But the truth is he is replaceable within the structure the team has - Prado or even potentially Kelly Johnson may fill the hole and provide similar numbers.And at his cost it just had to happen. I know posters will jump on the phrase “the Braves have no intention of trying to resign him at reduced cost,” but really how much would he take to stay a Brave when he’ll get around 2 mil still from other teams? Would he take a $350-$500 thousand a year contract (similar to Johnson and Prado) to stay? Almost assuredly not.

So all my best to Marcus, and I wish him well (unless he signs with the METS….!)

By Serge

December 12, 2006 06:42 PM | Link to this

Please dont Sign with the Mets Giles

By bravesfan

December 12, 2006 06:43 PM | Link to this

This limbo that MLB is allowing to happen is going to end the Braves as we know them. One has to wonder the way they were pushing the Nationals alone, Is the ending of the Braves being done on purpose? MLB has got to step in. We just let a valuable player walk again. This has got to stop.

By ralph

December 12, 2006 06:43 PM | Link to this

very sad. but knowing braves fans like I do, they will probably act like he was never that good and hate on him and blame giles for everything that has ever gone wrong as he walks out the door. they did it to mazzone, glavine, et al.

By Larry

December 12, 2006 06:43 PM | Link to this

Great!

Now that leaves Andruw Jones, Chipper Jones and Bobby Cox left to debride this team from the over paid and under achieving exudate of the past.

It’s well past time for some fresh, hungry, hustling players to reinvigorate this city!

By Nat King Giles

December 12, 2006 06:44 PM | Link to this

As was discussed,

I rode the bus

Non-Tendering.

I gotta go,

play with my bro’,

Non-Tendering.

My OPS is low,

and the Braves don’t have the dough,

and so, John S. said no

Tendering.

By Efrim D

December 12, 2006 06:44 PM | Link to this

Braves should of dealt Tim Hudson to save money. Look at what the Astros just gave up for Jennings??? Improving the pitching staff also means getting quality young starters that can contribute. Jason Hirsh would of been that. Next year at this time, the Braves will need a CF, 2B, LF, Two starting pitchers, and possibly a closer. He will only have around 20 million to do so.

By futurebravesgm2413

December 12, 2006 06:45 PM | Link to this

As long as Prado isn’t the 2b i’m happy. Prado had NO I repeat NO extra base hits in over 150 ABs this winter. He is not a major league 2b. I hope the job is Kelly Johnson’s. He is the hitter we need. And apparently is making vast improvement with his D.

By Mason Sanders

December 12, 2006 06:45 PM | Link to this

Business decisions,like this are always tough, sorry to see Marcus go. Wish him well, but he’ll be fine.

By Norm

December 12, 2006 06:45 PM | Link to this

The Braves could save 4 times Gile’s salary by dumping Chipper Jones and should attempt to trade him while he still might be worth something. Other teams probably would ask the Braves to pay part of Chipper’s salary because he is definitely overpaid. If Andruw were let go, all the pichers ERAs would go up. Chipper is the logical Jobes boy to let go. Too bad Wilson Benemit wasn’t kept to replace chipper.

By james

December 12, 2006 06:45 PM | Link to this

it was a neccesary move to keep costs down. Martin Prado is now the favorite to take over second base and he was not all that shaby in his stint in the major leagues last year.

By Fed Up

December 12, 2006 06:46 PM | Link to this

This sucks beyond words. A multi-billion dollar corporation continues to p** on an asset that it claims is worth $450 million. BOYCOTT TIME WARNER. I don’t even like Giles, but this move was obscene. And won’t we just love it when he signs with the Mets.

By tokyobrave

December 12, 2006 06:47 PM | Link to this

Right move at the right time. I don;t think we will miss a beat defensively, but I who knows offensively. He spent the better part of the year in a lead off spot that I think csused him to think too much and try to hard to get on base and it screwed up all of his mechanics. I think that was the reason for the “poor” offense he displayed last year. So to answer your question - what hitter will/would have shown up up this year assuming he were in the two spot? Would we have gotten the 300 avergae and 20 dingers? If that were the case, then it won’t be a good move. However something that is interesting is how tepid interest was in him from a trade point of view at the meetings. I know some were waiting for the Braves to make this move and crossing their fingers, but I also would think that some club would have jumped at the thought of having this guy on the their team if they thought he was going to be a 300/20HR guy. So maybe the experts knew more than was being told…. I too wish him and his family the best of happiness and health, but I look forward to what the future holds now for the Braves at 2B.

By Unkle Figgitt

December 12, 2006 06:48 PM | Link to this

Braves should definitely have parted ways with Marcus Giles, but it should never have been allowed to come down to the last resort of non-tendering him. For a GM such as John Schuerholz that usually operates so close to the cuff, I don’t understand how the fact that the Braves were going to non-tender Giles could have been made public, thus making it impossible to find any team willing to trade for him. Surely Schuerholz could have at least got some cash, or bats and balls for him.

By JOEBRAVE

December 12, 2006 06:49 PM | Link to this

gOOD RIDDANCE! Thank God no more bumbling around upper cut im gonna knock a homer oops! i struck out lick my nasty jersey Gilesy boy!

By td

December 12, 2006 06:49 PM | Link to this

Thanks Marcus. From a fan that watched you come up at Myrtle Beach. You always have given it your all. Thank you for trying to be a leadoff man, when that is not your natural position. Of course your stats would fall when placed in that situation. Best of luck. Take it easy on us when you face the Braves. The fans can’t help it that management will let us wallow in mediocrity without being competitive in the financial part.

By noendinsite

December 12, 2006 06:50 PM | Link to this

Wasn’t there some spare change left from las year. Apparently it was applied to TWJ stock. Thank God McQuirk implied that the payroll had flexibility. Must have gone with the Sturtze signing.

By joe brave

December 12, 2006 06:53 PM | Link to this

don’t like what i said STUFF IT!!!!!!!!!wake up idiots it’s a new day in the Atl. great move!

By Dallas, GA Braves Fan

December 12, 2006 06:54 PM | Link to this

Efrim my point exactly! I have hear it many times in the past that with salaries increasing the way they are 4 teams in MLB will be competing for the World Series in 5 years. The rest will have to work with releasing their players every 3 years once they get good. How can we say that Marcus is easily replacable and he needs to be released to free up $$. Please if that is the strategy then we need to package Chipper, Andruw, Hudson and Smoltz to the Yanks for any player that makes less than $500,000 a year.

Let me throw this funny little equation at you Fans at Turner = more $$, trading away fan fav’s =less fans in seats (me for one) = less $$ which means less “budget” to spend on players. Hmmmmm now there’s a thought.

By Tonight on TBS

December 12, 2006 06:55 PM | Link to this

First time on cable.

Little Man (2006)

When baseball manager Bobby Cox (Bernie Mac) finds vertically challenged Marcus (Marlon Wayans) on his doorstep, he believes he has found the small, quick second baseman he has always dreamed of. Meanwhile, Marcus schemes to get with his brother Brian (Keenan Ivory Wayans) and grab a cool 5 or 6 million dollars. With Tracy Morgan as Joe Bick (Marcus’ agent).

By Uncle Elmo

December 12, 2006 06:57 PM | Link to this

Flush the chumps.

By JJMB

December 12, 2006 06:59 PM | Link to this

I have to say, I’m glad to see that uppercut swing hit the bricks.

By Jay

December 12, 2006 07:00 PM | Link to this

My first thought…what a waste that we didnt trade him last year.

By Jimbo

December 12, 2006 07:01 PM | Link to this

Great move…JS Jr. moves another step closer to the Big Show.

By Rex the Tex

December 12, 2006 07:03 PM | Link to this

Looks like Marcus is missing the letter ‘S’ cause his playing still went from Scrappy to Crappy!

By Jimbo

December 12, 2006 07:03 PM | Link to this

Good bye to the worst swing in baseball. Hopefully he will catch on with the Muts. Great move! Gilly ran out of juice.

By Luv 2 Hate Me

December 12, 2006 07:04 PM | Link to this

THANK YOU, Thank you, Thank U, Thanks and Thank God they finally cut their ties with Giles. I couldn’t say it in any other way but thanks.

By Ted Turner

December 12, 2006 07:04 PM | Link to this

Hey, I got these pieces of paper called Time Warner stock certificates that were worth about $100 each in 1999.

I want to get $100 for them but no one wants to offer me more than about $21 today. I guess I should just throw them away (i.e. non-tender them).

What do you think John Scheurholz?

By Rob

December 12, 2006 07:04 PM | Link to this

It never ceases to amaze me how utterly stupid some of you people are. He was a good Brave and even better citizen. You don’t have to welcome the man back to the team, but he has deserved a classy send off. I, for one, will always cheer on Marcus. Good luck in San Diego.

By Jimbo

December 12, 2006 07:06 PM | Link to this

Dallas…one problem with your equation. Giles is not a fan favorite of any fan who knows baseball. The midget had to go and real fans are grateful.

By Rex the Tex

December 12, 2006 07:09 PM | Link to this

‘Classy send off’? Someone making $3.85MM last year doesn’t deserve anything from the fans. If you make the money, expect the backlash when you don’t produce. Maybe he should’ve stayed on the juice!

By Matt

December 12, 2006 07:09 PM | Link to this

This is all beginning to make sense to me now. Time Warner, a New York-based company, makes the Braves constrict payroll to $80 Million. In doing so the Braves can’t sign Glavine and he goes back to the Mets. So now because Giles was expected to get a pay raise they have to non-tender a contract and he is free to sign else where. All the while the Mets need a second baseman and we all know money is no object. This has all been a conspiracy from the beginning. The Board of Directors of Time Warner are definately Mets’ fans. I guess I just have to realize that nothing is sacred anymore. Everything has been so driven by the All-Mighty Dollar that you can’t stay loyal to a player anymore. I knew it was the Braves fashion to trade away their greats before they retired, I just never thought I would see they day where they would try to kick them out the back door. I am finding it harder and harder to stay loyal to the Braves. We are never going to be competitive again without spending money. I understand baseball is a business but you still have to put money into a business or it will never be successful. Or if you suck it dry, even the greatest business will crashdown. Well come to, “The Downfall of the Braves Dynasty.” Its all over, drive home safely. By 2008 we will be a no talent team like Tampa Bay and Kansas City. This is embarassing. Time Warner sell the team and sell it now. Just don’t do it in a stock deal. Let a local have it how cares about the team and will put funds into it much like Ted Turner did. This is a terrible day for me. I loved watching Giles celebrate, he was like a little kid. Baseball is a kid’s game ruined by American businessmen. No more shaving cream pies, no more silent treatment, no more celebratory beating up of teammates. He played with grit and guts. He was exciting and was the cheerleader and also the little annoying brother you just want to punch in the face. Best of wishes, Marcus…just go play with your bro in SD, don’t sign with the Mets.

By Kieran

December 12, 2006 07:09 PM | Link to this

A Damn travesty. Giles gave his blood sweat and tears to this organization and they cant sit down with him and work out a deal?? Even after Chipper Jones reworked his contract for them. Its horrible, a sad day for Braves fans.

By Canada Braves Fan

December 12, 2006 07:11 PM | Link to this

I’m going to miss Giles, especailly his hustle and when he ran around the clubhouse sporting neon goggles. He played the game like a little kid, full of spirit. However, we all saw it coming. If we could not get back Tom Glavine then of course we could not pay a second baseman 6 million. Best of luck in the future to Marcus and his family, probably in San Deigo.

By Choppinmama

December 12, 2006 07:11 PM | Link to this

Ba-bye to the team’s sparkplug. Frenchie, Brian, Huddy, Mike - please save us from a “business-like” dugout this season. (Huddy - the Perez snake is still the All-Time Classic!)

By Uncle Elmo

December 12, 2006 07:14 PM | Link to this

Who says he’s going to San Diego? You got an inside source somewhere?

By Trav

December 12, 2006 07:15 PM | Link to this

sad to see Giles go, but no way is he worth 6 million….hopefully he doesnt sign with the mets

By Paul

December 12, 2006 07:18 PM | Link to this

One word: HOLLA!

By Dano

December 12, 2006 07:19 PM | Link to this

Every year after the 1994 mess, I followed the Braves less and less. When Glavine and Maddux got away, I stopped altogether…not interested in what happens to the Braves. I miss Ted Turner and Jane Fonda!!!! Go FALCONS!!!

By Phil Bredesen

December 12, 2006 07:20 PM | Link to this

Aren’t the Braves being sold by Time Warner to a lesser media conglomerate in Denver?

By OH NO!!!!!

December 12, 2006 07:20 PM | Link to this

Did I read that REITSMA was let go? Oh No!!! Reitsma brought all of the excitement to Braves baseball. He turned Braves’ blowouts into close games and converted slim Braves’ leads into blowouts for the other teams. The injured hand excuse was complete BS and the Braves proved that today by releasing his sorry arse. The closer role just won’t be the same without him. He can get hit on his way out by the very same door that smacked Peerless Price. Good ridance Reitsma and hope if we ever see you again it is in an opponents uniform with you hanging big fat breaking balls to our guys. Best of luck. LOL

By krath

December 12, 2006 07:20 PM | Link to this

I don’t want to hear any excuse, (because there isn’t one no matter how they want to spin it)

Where’s the logic of not getting at least a dozen bats and a bag of balls for Marcus Giles?

When Giles signs with someone for less than 4-5 mil, then I guess I will believe that he HAD to be non-tendered. IF he signs with anyone for the above figure or more, then that says that JS miscalculated (again)by not at least getting something for him if nothing but a class A sore-armed pitcher!

When JS makes a great deal, he deserves credit and frequently gets it. But it’s a two way street. If he stinks it up, he needs to take the rap for that.

By Luv 2 Hate Me

December 12, 2006 07:20 PM | Link to this

Rob. We’re not stupid: Just smart to figure out how in the hell do you make it to the majors swinging like a Pro Golfer. The man is in the wrong profession. He needs to be playing golf. (Birdie/Eagle) LOL

By Jared

December 12, 2006 07:21 PM | Link to this

I think JS should go out and acquire some more backloaded contracts so we can be in the same situation again in 5 years. What a moron! I’m not upset about Giles leaving but there better be another big move this offseason that doesn’t involve one of our starters.

By bravesfan

December 12, 2006 07:23 PM | Link to this

I find it amazing that fans are blaming John Scheurholz for staying withing his budget. With the owners not caring, what is he supose to do. Sign big name players he cant afford to pay?

By linda

December 12, 2006 07:24 PM | Link to this

well he had to go that for sure but i will not put the braves beyond 2nd place and 3rd if lucky for 2007 why well they not got good players yet little is better then nothing its a gamble with hudson hope works davies as starter give himm45% of doing ok as for james i guess he can have a 90% but its a wait and see situation spring training still may bring trades time will tell

By Rob

December 12, 2006 07:26 PM | Link to this

Uncle Elmo asks if I have inside info…….Yeah it’s called common sense and a brain….2 things that aren’t exactly synonomous with 75% of Braves’ fans. I can’t believe the jealousy some of you show to professional athletes. Guess what losers, they are gifted and we are not. Get over it. And another guess what….Marcus Giles will still get paid a very large amount of money and you jealous-types won’t. Good luck Marcus. Next year when you’re in the top 5 in doubles (thanks to those alleys in Petco), and the top defensive 2nd baseman in the N.L. these tools around here that are blasting you now will be singing your praises then.

By beki

December 12, 2006 07:32 PM | Link to this

I can’t believe some of the comments that were made about his swing. My Lord, AJ screws himself into the ground when he hits a long ball;and, even CJ reaches for a high pitch that he inevitably pops up. Personally, I’d prefer getting rid of an aging CJ than Giles. You want to free up money? CJ’s makes ten times more than Giles would in arbitration; let him go.

By Jimmy Durante

December 12, 2006 07:35 PM | Link to this

Hey, what smells in here? Oh, it’s Time Warner and Liberty Media.

By Drew

December 12, 2006 07:38 PM | Link to this

There are so many of you who just don’t understand this. Marcus Giles had to go. There was absolutley no option. We couldn’t rework his deal. You can’t do that with arbitration eligible guys. We couldn’t trade him. JS tried, and there were no takers. Why would there be? No one is going to pay extra money and a player to get Giles, when they can just sign him cheaper after the non-tender date. It is sad to see Giles go, but this is a move that absolutely had to be made. There were no other options. That being said, I really think that this team will be good this year. Giles is the only offensive player we lose, we picked up Soriano and essentially Wickman, and all the pitchers are back healthy. Stop with all the negativity, because it absolutely isn’t negative.

As for the people who are saying trade Chipper, that is the most rediculous thing I have ever heard. You can’t trade the face of the franchise. Chipper puts people in the seats. Also, he is currently at his lowest value, after several injury plagued seasons. Plus, Chipper has been loyal to the Braves for many years, and the Braves will be loyal to him. Have some faith people. We have one bad season and people are renouncing their fanship, come on.

By Matt

December 12, 2006 07:39 PM | Link to this

Uncle Elmo:Who says he’s going to San Diego? You got an inside source somewhere?

AJC: Giles will weigh offers from teams, sure to include the Padres. He’s from San Diego and his brother Brian is a Padres outfielder.

Uncle Elmo…DOB is the only inside source I need.

By Uncle Elmo

December 12, 2006 07:39 PM | Link to this

Rob, you’re feeling yourself a little too much there, dog. I was querying the more than one of you who said he’s going to San Diego. The Mets contigent is even bigger and they think you are the one without a brain. Peace out.

By Matt

December 12, 2006 07:41 PM | Link to this

beki…seriously…10x more than Giles…Chipper doesn’t make $60 million a season. He makes 2x as much as Giles. He has also played twice as long it comes with the territory.

By Uncle Elmo

December 12, 2006 07:44 PM | Link to this

Ewwww, Matt. I don’t need to know about you’re DOB fantasies. And if they aren’t just fantasies, y’all need to keep that stuff on the down low.

By TJ

December 12, 2006 07:44 PM | Link to this

I thought all of the clubs shared in the additional TV revenue, the other clubs are using theirs to make their clubs better. What happened to the braves share of that revenue, they sure aren’t using to sign players.

By N8

December 12, 2006 07:44 PM | Link to this

Ted Turner

Good point. Giles was worth more in 1999.

By Matt M.

December 12, 2006 07:44 PM | Link to this

I’m sorry to see Giles go, but I’m a Brave fan, not a player fan. Same with AJones when he leaves. I WILL NOT get mad at JS for letting a player go who wants more money. Give me a break. I don’t blame the players, just the system. Baseball is dying, fast. If MLB doesn’t do something to stop the NY teams, Boston, LA, MLB is going to collapse. And that sucks. Every team is going through this right now, not just us. The Dodgers have lost a lot, and gained also, the WhiteSox, possibly the Cardinals. Unless you buy players, its going to be hard. I would rather win with draft picks and the farm then by buying players like NY, Boston, and LA has to do. If thats how they want it, lets just make MLB consist of 6 teams. Thats all MLB cares about anyway. As you can tell, I’m a little upset with MLB right now.

By Uncle Elmo

December 12, 2006 07:45 PM | Link to this

Sorry, dude. But you got to admit it was funny though, right?

By KebMo

December 12, 2006 07:47 PM | Link to this

Bebi…. Chipper makes 60 million a year?

By Drew

December 12, 2006 07:47 PM | Link to this

San Diego definitely makes the most sense, and unless the Mets offer is much bigger than the Padres, I see he and Brian playing together next year.

By stew

December 12, 2006 07:50 PM | Link to this

How could they do it? Two years ago they didn’t want to include him in the Hudson trade. Was he really that expensive by today’s standards? Prado is a minor league ballplayer. No way he can hit 45 doubles in a year. Giles already has. Kelly Johnson has to go a long way to be Giles defensively and offensively. It’s hard to drive in runs when you bat leadoff. One at bat every game you can only drive in one run. That only happens if you hit a home run. Furcal and Giles both gone. Andruw soon to follow. Smoltz and Chipper renegotiate their contracts so that the Braves can upgrade their team. How many players have we lost because they are in their walk year or they became free agents and we couldn’t afford to sign them. How many free agents have we signed? Somebody oughtta put a gun to the heads of the people that are making these decisions. How long can this go on?

By Matt

December 12, 2006 07:50 PM | Link to this

Uncle Elmo, I was referring to the fact he wrote the article. You know the one next to the link to get to this thread. You don’t have to be stupid to know that its probably 90% done that he is going to the Padres. All they have to do is make it official. This is the day that the teams who wouldn’t make a trade were waiting for. Now they get him for nothing.

By San Diego

December 12, 2006 07:50 PM | Link to this

From the report on CBS sportsline.com:

“Giles can negotiate with any team, but it’s clear that San Diego would be his first choice. His older brother, outfielder Brian Giles, already plays for their hometown Padres.”

By Matt M.

December 12, 2006 07:52 PM | Link to this

About the Braves, our chances are better next year than they have been in the last 4 years. A great closer, a rocket for a setup man, an above average starting pitching staff and one of the best offenses in the NL. We just lost a weak spot last year. Lets give one of the new guys a chance at second. A young guy typically works out for the Braves. Can you say CJones, AJone, JSmoltz, BMcCann, JFranceour, ALaroche. Our team is going to be good, don’t worry. And stop talking about trading CJones. He put up better numbers than almost all 3b last year in a 120 games. Braves win 102 games next year. Thats my prediction. Phils in 2nd, Fl, NY, then Wash. Yes, NY in 4th place. No pitching and a good offense. That sounds like the Braves of 2006. Interesting. The Phils scare me, I hate the Mets and the Marlins are the annoying neighbor who won’t move. Washington is the Royals of the NL.

By Metropolitan Man

December 12, 2006 07:52 PM | Link to this

You guys can live without M. Giles, he wasnt that good, just a fan fav and the METS have zero interest in. But here is something for you to think about. The Pirates are looking for an inexpensive big bat in return for Gonzalez, who was 24-for-24 in save chances last year until tendinitis ended his season Aug. 24. He is believed to be completely healthy.

Ideally, the Pirates would like Atlanta first baseman Adam La Roche, but the Braves have Bob Wickman to close and would likely spin Gonzalez. Enter the Yankees and Red Sox.

The Braves, who have Scott Thorman to replace La Roche, were very interested in Scott Proctor at last summer’s trade deadline and haven’t changed their opinion. However, since they would be giving up a 32-homer, 90 RBI bat it’s likely they would want more than Proctor. Like everyone, they are high on Melky Cabrera but would the Yankees trade Proctor and Cabrera for a 28-year-old reliever who has never pitched a meaningful game after May and has spent his entire four-year career in the NL?

The Red Sox, who acquired Gonzalez from the Pirates on July 22, 2003 and dealt him back nine days later, have dangled outfielder Coco Crisp, but it is probably going to take more than that.

As for Gonzalez, an NL talent evaluator said, “He is probably what Mike Stanton and Alan Embree used to be. He is a power guy, throws 91 to 92 mph. He is a top-shelf guy.”

In 54 innings this past year Gonzalez gave up 42 hits, fanned 64 and walked 31. Lefties hit .163 (7-for-43) against him, while righties batted .227 (35-for-154). He is arbitration eligible after making $347,000 last year and the Pirates believe their closer can come from a cast of young arms.

So relax, things still might come together and you may look like an MLB team before spring training.

By Matt M.

December 12, 2006 07:56 PM | Link to this

If Giles goes to the Mets, I will boo him as I do Glavine. And you Mets fans can say we are disloyal all you want. When one of yours comes to play for Atlanta and then you cheer for him, then you can open your mouth. If Glavine would have went anywhere but NY he would have been cheered like Maddux.

By M Giles

December 12, 2006 07:57 PM | Link to this

People People! I know I haven’t lived up to the hype and my swing. Well that’s something I can’t help because of my height. I just hope that you can forgive me for wasting your time and Time Warner’s money. O yeah I really didn’t make that much money. Well I’ll see you when I come back to play the braves. Good-bye

M. Giles

By Jeff

December 12, 2006 08:01 PM | Link to this

What years (with the Braves) were Marcus’ great years? I was beginning to think he was the second coming of Jeff Blauser. In fact if Bobby has his way, he’ll pull Blauser out of the coaching ranks and put him back at second or shortstop. Thankfully the GM has made the only logical choice.

Jeff

By Uncle Elmo

December 12, 2006 08:03 PM | Link to this

Pushed buttons, got the hoped for responses, resulting in much laughter, including the bonus of having one of the victims taking the time to explain he ain’t really lusting after the DOB. Dang, y’all are fun. Thanks dudes.

By Maine Braves Fan

December 12, 2006 08:03 PM | Link to this

Okay so we lost marcus giles. Know we have to fill two holes. A second baseman. Martin Prado. he sucks cant stand him. I cant believe that anyone would want him over marcus giles. I want a real second baseman and a real leadoff hitter or its going to be a long and painful season. The braves have problems that we need to adress. I think we should sign Ronnie Belliard or make a trade to get figgins.

By M

December 12, 2006 08:04 PM | Link to this

Braves Non-tendering Giles Mistake

I think it is a mistake on several fronts: 1) I think he’ll bounce back and have many good years ahead! He is young, seems to have a good work ethic (hustles, plays hard, etc.) had many nagging injuries and was forced to bat in a position he wasn’t comfortable. Now it could be with the Mets (who were mentioned as looking) if San Diego doesn’t pick him up, that would really help the Braves nock them off, wouldn’t it? 2) I still don’t understand why Cox simply didn’t put Renteria in the 1 spot and Giles back to the 2 spot. The stat’s certainly supported it (not that either is a speed demon but Renteria had more SB’s and Giles hit better in the 2 spot)! I would have kept Giles and done this. 3) Even if they wouldn’t want to keep him, I would have risked arbitration and tried to make some sort of deal. I think John S. has a big fear of being over the 80 million level for 1 day. Whose to say you can’t come back under with a deal in the future.

Oh and mark me down as one who didn’t like the Horacio deal either! I could live with it because “potential” it helps next year but I think Ramirez puts up some good numbers down the road.

Just my 2 (3) cents worth!

• M

By The real David

December 12, 2006 08:04 PM | Link to this

Giles tried to be Charlie Hustle, but really only showed he had little range at second. He had a bad upper cut, but what really got him out here was that he was just plain average as a player. I think that position will yield a good minor leaguer in the future. So whatever happens this year at second is not that important. Reitsma had no consistancy, and that is very upsetting to the relief corp. They both seemed to be good people, and I hope they do well for someone else. Remember that if the had a good closer all year, the Braves would have been in the running at the end for a wild card spot.

By Matt M.

December 12, 2006 08:07 PM | Link to this

I would love to get Gonzalez. But for Laroche, who I think will be a premier 1b in a couple years. Thats a tough call. I might not do that trade. But if Soriano is a bust… I think the Braves are ok as they are. Remember we still have Will Startup in the minors. He should be ready in 08. Can you see the NL East in 3 years. The Braves (Frenchy, McCann, Laroche, Davies, James, Soriano, and our other young guys) versus the Phils (Rowand, Utley, Howard, etc) versus the Mets (Wright, Reyes, Lastings, Maine, Pelfrey). And that not even including the studs that the Marlins have (if they keep ANY of them). This is just getting good. The AL will be the old mans league in a couple of years. They can’t say they are better anymore. Spanked in the Series and barely won the all star game.

By rj

December 12, 2006 08:07 PM | Link to this

Get rid of Laroche now. Bring Prado up for second base. Trade Salty and his atitude for a legitimate pitcher. Move Thorman to first. Great move to end Giles in Atlanta.

By Stinky

December 12, 2006 08:10 PM | Link to this

What about Carl Crawford?

By Matt M.

December 12, 2006 08:12 PM | Link to this

I second the idea of getting Figgins. Speed is one thing we don’t have ANY of. Also, Cox should have let MGiles bat 2, he had better stats at 2 than ERenteria did. How much worse would have ER numbers have been. But that doesn’t matter and wouldn’t have made much of a difference. There is only 1 reason why we didn’t win last year. A closer. Thats it, nothing else and its solved now. GO BRAVES

By Metropolitan Man

December 12, 2006 08:13 PM | Link to this

Chill out Matt. You are a lil off. If Piazza, Floyd, or any other MET favorite went to the braves as a free agent, we would still applaud them during the 1st homestand against the braves.After the niceties, then he would get booed and heckled. Its like Glavine, his not truly a MET, but he is no longer a brave, just in the middle. We boo Hampton becasue he didnt resign and gave a crappy excuse. Todd Pratt was not a fan favorite. So it goes both ways, it depends on if you were close to the home fans or not and how you left that will be your moment of truth.

By Matt M.

December 12, 2006 08:13 PM | Link to this

I wish baseball was on. This time of year sucks for sports. But at least its not as bad as February.

By rupert

December 12, 2006 08:14 PM | Link to this

bottom line is that this move was made out of neccesity, in the old days the braves could of given him one year to bounce back, but now they cant afford to, johnson should be a good option at second, prado doesnt really do it for me although a lot of my friends who are scouts like him, i think this bs that is happening with time warner is just that, bs, i mean they f*** take the braves payroll down, screw them out some great players, now when they finally are going to get rid of the braves they use the same corporate bs theyve used all along, mlb should tell them to take a s** or get off the g******* pot, if liberty cant get their act together sell it to arthur blank, they are crippling the franchise, i p** on you time warner, and little marcus p** on you as well, o and look for the baldeli thing to pick up steam, one way or another, a gm told me that js couldnt really focus on that until they made these moves….

By Islander71

December 12, 2006 08:14 PM | Link to this

Anyone notice Marcus’ picture has been removed from the Braves website. Didn’t take long did it?

By AdirondackDave

December 12, 2006 08:14 PM | Link to this

Way to early to write off Prado. Between Johnson, Aybar,and Prado I’d think it’s likely we will have found our secondbaseman by April 1. I sure hope they don’t “save” Aybar for Chipper’s injuries. The guy’s propensity for getting on base is certainly appealing for the lead-off spot. Anyway,spring training just got more interesting.

By the way, Giles will likely be signing a $17M - $20M for a 3-year deal with the free agent situation we have this year.

By TommyB

December 12, 2006 08:16 PM | Link to this

Evening all…

Very interesting and enjoyable interview with Murph at:

http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=228&p=2&c=599715

Hope you enjoy it as much as I did.

By Islander71

December 12, 2006 08:16 PM | Link to this

anyone notice Marcus’ picture is already gone from the Braves website. Didn’t take long did it?

By Najeh Davenpoop

December 12, 2006 08:18 PM | Link to this

Not a terrible move, based on the salary and the players in the farm system. Giles’ production had been going down and he wasn’t spectacular at any facet of the game to where it would have made sense to keep him at that salary. But I would have liked to see the Braves get something in exchange for him. Letting him go without any compensation was not good. Even if you can get a middle-grade minor league prospect, it’s still better than nothing.

But hopefully they use that $5 million or whatever to sign a leadoff hitter or a decent veteran pitcher to provide depth, instead of sticking that money in their pocket or using it to buy new servers for AOL.

By Josh(but you can call me Bubba)

December 12, 2006 08:19 PM | Link to this

Ah, the quandaries of business. Reminds me of my old man. Fifteen years with a company then laid off for someone younger and cheaper. Guess what? He found a new, better career. Something tells me Marcus and the Giles’ will get through somehow…Ironic that I’m typing this as the kids watch The Grinch. Makes you wonder, who is the baseball Grinch who stole our team? Steinbrenner comes to mind…couldn’t be Selig, he reminds me too much of the little dog with the antlers getting whipped by the Grinch…Time Warner, Liberty Media-there’s some Grinches for you… How old is Mark Lemke?

By Braves Fan in Hoosier Land

December 12, 2006 08:22 PM | Link to this

The bottom line is - if you can’t afford to own a baseball team - then sell it to someone who can.

By Matt M.

December 12, 2006 08:25 PM | Link to this

Rupert, you don’t like TW do you? haha. Met Man, good post. By the way, Pratt isn’t a favorite here. I think that man is a jinx. Has he ever been on a winning team. Jeez. When will they release him, or did they already. Trade Salty, Langers OR Diaz, but not both. Give Johnson a chance, plenty of young guys if Johnson bust. Will be a good year. Can’t wait. Seriously, I cheered for Glavine when he came back, as I did Maddux. But I would have loved to see Glavine finish and win #300 as a Brave. Its all the same. Glavine, Maddux, CJones, Smoltz, they will all have an A on their hat in the Hall.

By romebraves

December 12, 2006 08:28 PM | Link to this

Chipper is done… stick a fork in him..Why we didn’t keep Wilson Benemit is anyone’s guess. We could have fallen back on him and have actually gained from this poor managed situation. How can you just not tender at player that was an All-Star 3 years ago? SOMEONE would have taken him for at the least a few prospects. Why do we continue to dump young talent and let our entire payroll be swallowed by Chipper (i can’t play 130 games), Smoltz (my elbow will give out at any time), and Hudson (I’m an American League Has Been), or wait then there the Mike Hampton experiment…. Why we are on the subject, why didn’t the Braves trade Andruw when they had the chance to get some MAJOR talent… we ALL know he is gone after this year! Bottomline, poor manage in the front office and poor field managing in the post season….. Time for change… The previous comment about packaging Chipper, Hudson, Smoltz….. THAT’S A GREAT IDEA!!!!!

By Matt M.

December 12, 2006 08:31 PM | Link to this

I wish TW would put the Braves up for sale to the fans. Let people buy % only in the Braves. That would be great.

By Drew

December 12, 2006 08:32 PM | Link to this

I’d say Scott Boras is definitely the Grinch of baseball. Say what you want, but Steinbrenner is good for baseball. He is an owner who cares which is more than can be said for a lot of guys. I want Arthur!

By Calvin

December 12, 2006 08:37 PM | Link to this

I bet you anything he signs with the Mets just so he can beat the Braves.

By The Grinch

December 12, 2006 08:39 PM | Link to this

Your children are watching me? Thanks for the royalties! However, I’m afraid I must divest myself from Time Warner or Liberty media. They are Grinches of a different and more nefarious sort.

By Matt M.

December 12, 2006 08:40 PM | Link to this

Its hard to trade high priced players one year from free agency. Just like Giles. Why would anyone trade for AJones when after this year he is a free agent anyway. Like Alfonso Soriano. Now that sucks for the Nats, but I love it. CJones is not done, Hampton is good when healthy. Injuries happen, lets hope he comes out like he went out. Why does everyone think CJones is done. 324 avg, 26 hr, 86 rbi in 110 games in 411 at bats. Thats sick. If you run those stats over 162 games, thats 39 hr and 128 rbis. What else do you want. Betemit SUCKS. He had a few good games. 263 avg, 18 hrs, 53 rbis in 143 games in 373 at bats. Your right, CJones is done and Betemit is better. The stats show it alone. My bad.

By Matt M.

December 12, 2006 08:42 PM | Link to this

Is it just me or is that a ridiculous amount of money the RedSox paid to “TALK” to that Matzuuuuu guy. P.S. Scott Boras needs to be kicked out of sports.

By Matt M.

December 12, 2006 08:43 PM | Link to this

The Braves need to hurry up and sign DWard.

By AdirondackDave

December 12, 2006 08:45 PM | Link to this

Hey romebraves and others — Chipper may have more in the tank than you give him credit for. I’d still rather his him at the plate than anybody else, ok forgot McCann for a second.

Matt M. — I agree, give Johnson a chance either at second or left. His bat could be special. Also, add AJ to Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz, and Chipper headed to the Hall with a a big A on their cap. With a couple years out in the world, AJ will realize how well he fit in here.

By Josh(but you can call me Bubba)

December 12, 2006 08:46 PM | Link to this

Sorry Grinch but one cannot adorn oneself Grinch-hood. Becoming a Grinch is a long, earned, and learned practice. Calling myself an astronaut most certainly would not make it so…space cadet I’ve most certainly achieved…Jeff Treadway-can he still hit? Did he ever hit? I digress as usual…

By LEW

December 12, 2006 08:47 PM | Link to this

Goodbye Marcus ..Enjoyed watching you..Hope this 2nd base episode dont turn out like last years bullpen…

By Jim

December 12, 2006 08:47 PM | Link to this

Thanks Time-Warner. As a Braves fan for over 30 years, I have never been so discouraged and disgusted. Time Warner is continuing to choose the “not to compete” plan in MLB. Time Warner can continue to spin the “no reduction in payroll” line; however, it amounts to payroll reduction every year as player’s salaries rise. I saw right through Schuerholz’s intentions weeks ago when the Braves sign journeyman 2B Willie Harris in an “under the radar” move. Fellow Braves fans, Rocco Baldelli is not going to lead off, Chone Figgins is not going to lead off for the Braves. Our 2007 Braves lead off hitter is going to be none other than Willie Harris (who will also be our STARTING 2B). Wow John, Willie Harris will remind everyone of Mickey Mantle. Thanks Time Warner. Please sell the team to someone who WANTS to compete. Where are you now Arthur??? Braves nation needs someone like you.

By John Adcox

December 12, 2006 08:48 PM | Link to this

I paid around $90 each for 37 games last year, not counting MARTA, snackage, etc. That’s a nice fortune the Braves just saved me. I am through. Finished. Not spending another dime.

By Rev Buddy Greene

December 12, 2006 08:48 PM | Link to this

well at least Wilson Bettemit can play second base!

oh yeah….:(

By Dion

December 12, 2006 08:49 PM | Link to this

You know its hard to believe that a team that won 14 consecutive division titles don’t have a decent payroll, or that they have invested most of it in 7 players, the Braves are my team but it is time for a change, I agree with getting rid of Chipper, we need Andruw, but face the facts Boras is his agent and he’s gone after this year anyway, good thing Francouer and McCann are from Georgia they may give us a hometown discount one day. If not Braves are doomed for the future!!

By Choppin Bob

December 12, 2006 08:52 PM | Link to this

Its about time Giles is gone. He sucked. Too bad 2nd base will be a merry go round with about the same inconsistency in the leadoff spot.

I for one long for a dude that could run like Otis batting leadoff. Speaking of that, is Otis available?

By Matt M.

December 12, 2006 08:55 PM | Link to this

The Braves signed Willie Harris. Is that the guy from Kennesaw State? The guy from the RedSox and the WhiteSox?

By The Grinch

December 12, 2006 08:59 PM | Link to this

Josh, I most certainly agree with your assessment. I did not claim this title for myself; it was bestowed upon me almost 15 years ago by a collection of my peers. Been there, done that, have the tatoo. I never quite understood how Treadway got benched for the playoffs when he was hitting something like .320. Another of many strange moves.

TIME WARNER IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL.

By Matt M.

December 12, 2006 09:00 PM | Link to this

Crawford, Figgins, Roberts can all lead off and run, but they all play the OF. Is everybody giving up on Diaz? Does anybody know or remember if Johnson has any base stealing abilities. Maybe Frenchy will learn how to use his speed and become a 40-40 guy. Oh wait, ESPN will still bash him for striking out. But McGwire and Vladi are good….

By Josh(but you can call me Bubba)

December 12, 2006 09:00 PM | Link to this

If there was a drug to keep Otis running methinks he would’ve found it…always had plenty of “speed” did Otis…Could Otis turn a double play? Does it help to have a wall climber in the infield? Hey, Hubbard is still on the team…Maybe Otis can teach Glenn how to use his “speed”…

By Philip

December 12, 2006 09:03 PM | Link to this

I think Mark Cuban should consider buying the Braves franchise. Just look what he did in the NBA when he bought the Mavericks in ‘00. He is a brilliant businessman and brings a passion to win to the organization. Or maybe Trump can buy the Braves and add MLB team owner to his resume. After all, he is going to be a part of this city for many years to come in regards to the towers development.

By joebrave

December 12, 2006 09:07 PM | Link to this

Okay enuff already CARL CRAWFORD is not getting traded dammit so STOP pining for him! good riddance to Giles and REEKSMA!!! NOW if we could only get rid of that slug LaRoche!!!!!!!!

By Christina

December 12, 2006 09:08 PM | Link to this

Did the Braves make the right decision? No, and its a sad, sad day in Atlanta. I’m not really looking forward to next Spring at the moment. Sure hopes that changes between now and then, but I can’t see how it will.

By Matt M.

December 12, 2006 09:16 PM | Link to this

Whats wrong with Laroche?

By Josh(but you can call me Bubba)

December 12, 2006 09:16 PM | Link to this

Cheer up, lady Christina. The Braves have a nice looking team already and I’m guessing they’ll make it a little better by Spring…or by trade…either way hope springs eternal until it’s dashed…

By The Grinch

December 12, 2006 09:17 PM | Link to this

Christina, the true measure of an Atlanta sports fan (any and all franchises included) is the willingness to be a masochist. Many, many a beer can have I bounced off the TV screen during Braves, Falcons, Hawks and Thrashers games over the years, yet I still find myself tuning in. Wearing a Falcons shirt right now, though I have every confidence they’ll find a way to ALMOST make they playoffs and then smash my soul to the pavement at the last possible moment. It’s the nature of the beast.

By crimedogrules

December 12, 2006 09:17 PM | Link to this

Godbye Gilly, try not to run into anymore center fielders. Thanks for being part of the legacy.

By Eric from San Jose

December 12, 2006 09:21 PM | Link to this

For any of you that know the Braves, this move means that there will be more moves coming.

It is very difficult to watch Gilly leave, he came up as a complete hack at 2nd, was willing to lead off when it is clearly not his spot, and played hard.

$6 mil was too much given his production, but this almost guarantees another move from JS. Figgins at lead off? It works but NOT at the cost of LaRoche.

Davies and Escobar for Figgins would be reasonable.

How bad does trading Betemit look now? Baez is gone and Betemit was fantastic in LA.

I said it then, it kills the future flexibility.

By Tampaparrotthead

December 12, 2006 09:24 PM | Link to this

It’s a business and a money thing, yada, yada, yada, yada… Personally I’m sick of hearing that same lame excuse for every move that’s made or not made. I’ll be sooooo glad when new ownership takes over, I don’t care if it’s the devil incarnate it’s got to be better than this rusty TW machine.

Marcus is a good player and with him and Furcal at the top of the lineup… well when they were on base the Braves won 3/4 of the time… and that’s a fact! But don’t worry about Marcus, just like Raffy, he’ll land squarely on his feet and this day will probably come back and bite us all in the A$$. Since the time Giles came up to Atlanta he has WORKED himself into an escellent defensive second baseman and he’s the type of player who will always hit and one day will probably lead the league in doubles. He’s had more than his share of trouble and heartache off the field and through all of that, proved himself to be a giant of a man, IMO.

Any of you can say whatever you want to about the guy, but there’s not a manager in either league (including Bobby Cox) who wouldn’t love to have a player of his make-up and caliber playing second sack for him.

Marcus, I wish you well my friend and hope you and your family find happiness wherever you go and whatever you do… I’m outta here… TPH

By Daybed Wagmoe

December 12, 2006 09:27 PM |