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By Tony Almeida

September 28, 2006 01:59 PM | Link to this

New country is the way to go. Stick with it Brian.

By whoever

September 28, 2006 02:00 PM | Link to this

couldnt agree with you more……Hell of a year b-mac!

its just too bad he gets over looked by almost everyone. he’s smart, has a great approach at the plate, he handles the pitching staff very well….i’ll go ahead and tell shurholtz to go ahead and lock this guy up to a long term deal now….cause come free agency time, everyone and their mother is gonna want a piece of this kid.

Sports Illustrated got it wrong last summer by putting Francoeur on the cover and saying “the natural” B-Mac is the natural. comes from a baseball family!

By TennesseePaul

September 28, 2006 02:02 PM | Link to this

DOB: Excellent post. Excellent. McCann is incredible and there is no doubt about that. He’s got my vote, even though I don’t have an official vote.

By Carlos Amato

September 28, 2006 02:03 PM | Link to this

DOB, I’m right there with you. What impresses me are not the numbers, but the demeanor. He really looks like a veteran out there, calm, focused and he has a great winning mentality.

The kid is just awesome, and has a plate discipline like very few in the whole MLB. He hits for spots and little ball as well as for homers and power, so he’s definitely the finished product at just 22.

The guy to build your future around.

By brian

September 28, 2006 02:16 PM | Link to this

Walk the Line McCann! Now only if JS can put together some quality young arms to throw to McCann and a leadoff hitter for McCann to drive in we will be just fine.

Do you think McCann’s huge season is going to make Andruw’s bat more tradeable from the Braves view?

By ncscoots

September 28, 2006 02:16 PM | Link to this

I think folks overlook the most important fact about McCann: he is obviously an alien. No human at 22 should be able to do what he does, so here is what I think is happening. McCann is one of those life-force-draining type of aliens, and each night as Francoeur sleeps, McCann has been sucking the hitting prowess right out of him. Not all of it, of course, that would be too obvious. Just enough, that little needed extra, to turn McCann into what Mike Piazza always wanted to be: a great hitting catcher with defensive skills to boot. Therefore, there is a simple solution to getting Jeff’s batting average up, and that is…don’t let these two room together ANY MORE!

Course, McCann COULD just be a baseball prodigy showing terrific skills at an early age. Yeah, I guess that could be it. But that alien thing, well….

By And there's more

September 28, 2006 02:17 PM | Link to this

He’s also beyond his years as a catcher. He calls a very good game, and did a really good job behind the plate all season.

By brian

September 28, 2006 02:18 PM | Link to this

Walk the Line McCann!!! Now if only JS can get some quality young arms to throw to McCann and a legit leadoff hitter for McCann to drive in we will be in business.

Do you think that McCann’s huge season will make the Braves more willing to trade away Andruw’s bat?

By Arkansas Hillbilly

September 28, 2006 02:22 PM | Link to this

Let me echo y’alls comments. This kid has the discipline and the focus to be a natural leader. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, he reminds me of the way Mark Grace handled himself during the Sosa/McGwire fiasco during the late nineties. While everyone was worried to death about whether to pitch to Sammy, I remember Gracie just sat back with a smile and said something to the effect of (paraphrase) “Hey, if they want to pitch around him to get to me, that’s fine. Let’s dance.” Meanwhile he’s raking doubles like its going out of style. I’ll predict that even towards the end of his career, there will be contenders knocking on the GM’s door trying to get B-Mac for a playoff run, if not only for his demeanor and poise.

By David O'Brien

September 28, 2006 02:25 PM | Link to this

Scoots, interesting theory. I think I’ll run that by Francoeur (he’d actually get a kick out of it). They’re both good guys, really are down to earth. Good upbringing apparent in both cases.

By Bravo Nam

September 28, 2006 02:26 PM | Link to this

I posted this on the old blog, just as the new one was created. Reposted this to show Mets fans like Metro and his buddies (not putting Lou into this category, as he has been all class) that even I appreciate what the Mets have done…even though many of their fans who come on to this blog drive me ballistic!

To All the Mets Fans on this Blog While it is satisfying seeing the Braves whip the Mets the past two games, it’s still a hollow feeling. The Mets are going to the playoffs and the Braves aren’t. You were too good this year. Congrats to your team and fans. No one can take away the fact that you won the division this year.

I get that sinking feeling though that you guys may end up suffering the same fate as the Braves in recent years (knocked out in first round) or years previously (only one ring). In many of the Braves 14 division victories, we seemed to stall in the home stretch through injury, complacency or bad luck, ending up stumbling or backing into the playoffs. It feels like that for the Mets this year. And if the Mets do stumble, it won’t be as bad as stumbling 13 out of 14 times…but neither will the pain! The pain of completely dominating a League and then bombing in the playoffs is excruciating- when the Mets bomb (I’m predicting they will), hold on to that feeling and then intensify it another 12 times- only then will you come close to understanding how us Braves feel- particularly when everyone else judges the season as meaningless and in vain coz you didn’t win the ring. Only then can you understand our fury and frustration when people harp on about division titles being meaningless…that all that matters is the ring.

It’s kind of moronic really that success is judged on either winning the ring or not. As if, not winning the ring places all the rest of the playoff contenders in the same category as those teams who didn’t even make the playoffs. It’s moronic because you can dominate a 162 game season…do poorly in a five game- yes five game series- and another team that had an average season grabs a wild card, has a bit of luck, wins three games, and all of a sudden that makes them a better team!

That’s the way things are heading for the Mets this year…in my opinion, even if you get knocked out in the first round, you’ll still have been the best National League team all season.

So, when some idiot gives you s** for being chokers and failures because you didn’t win the WS- you’ll know better- and you’ll want to tell them to p** off, coz the Mets were still better. Just like us Braves fans will tell the rest of you to pi*ss off when you belittle 14 straight division titles- and a number of season when we not only won our division, but flat out dominated the whole league!

Wild Card If MLB is serious about fairness and integrity in baseball, then they either need to extend the first round of playoffs from five to seven or abolish the wild card altogether. How many times have average teams got hot at the back end of the year, got the wild card and continued through the playoffs with that momentum- if you’re a team unlucky enough to face three aces (e.g Houston) in a best of 5 series, kiss your hopes goodbye- only can a seven game series be a fair indication of the depth and ability of both teams.

By El Bravo

September 28, 2006 02:38 PM | Link to this

Check out the stats of Ivan Rodriguez in his first full season. 420 AB, 260 AVG, 16 2B, 8 HR, 37 RBI, .360 SLG, .660 OPS. McCann probably doesn’t have Pudge’s arm, but he’s way ahead everywhere else. Can we say future hall of famer?

By 22oz

September 28, 2006 02:48 PM | Link to this

I really feel for the kid. He gets overshadowed by Francoeur, and he’s going bald at 22. have you seen this kid with his helmet off? Poor guy, he’s gonna look like Smoltz in another year or two.

By Head Coach

September 28, 2006 02:51 PM | Link to this

Ditto. The McCann kid is the total package. So , my question is……when does Saltalamacchia get traded and for what ?

By TennesseePaul

September 28, 2006 02:58 PM | Link to this

El Bravo: What are thinking? Don’t jinx it man!

Payne: Regarding your post on previous blog. It was a reply to Bravo Nam’s post on the WC. I’d be happier with a longer series as well. But in all truth, I hate the WC. I think it’s lame. Baseball will continue to expand as long as the population grows and America is still around. So, I think they should shoot for 4 divisions. Then you have all the classic competition without the WC bid.
The WC races are pretty intense though, I’ll give it that. It keeps a lot of teams in it until the very end of the season. But I hate the d@mn thing. And the first round of playoffs still means nothing and is mis-named to boot. How can it be the divisional series when a WC is playing in it and it doesn’t decide a division champion? But even still, with 4 divisions those questions wouldn’t be answered. I toy with the idea of two divisions in a conference and two conferences in a league. This would allow for a Conference Series and therefore Champion. But then it gets out of hand with scheduling and too many titles…
I miss the days of just the NLCS and the WS. But 5 extra games of Baseball is nice.

Is it James or Davies tonight?

GO BRAVES

By El Bravo

September 28, 2006 02:59 PM | Link to this

I imagine Salty’s trade value is down after the year he had. It might be worthwile to hold on to him at least for another year. It’s too bad McCann is a catcher. It would be nice to have him in the lineup every day. He is so good with the pitchers though.

By The Man

September 28, 2006 03:01 PM | Link to this

I AM THE MAN!!! I AM THE MAN!!! I AM THE MAN!!! I AM THE MAN!!! I AM THE MAN!!! I AM THE MAN!!! I AM THE MAN!!! I AM THE MAN!!!

By TennesseePaul

September 28, 2006 03:01 PM | Link to this

ncscoots: Were you ever a fan of the X-Files? David Dechovny wrote and directed one which was based on that premise. He scowered the old box scores to find the alien. Fantastic episode.

By rammerjammer

September 28, 2006 03:04 PM | Link to this

The McCann talk prompted me to look up the stats of Johnny Bench. Wow. At age 20, he was the Reds’ everyday catcher. At age 22, the league MVP. Did it again at 24. But his last great year was at age 29, and he was done at 35.

In order to stretch his career, he played about 10-20 games a year at other positions. Even so, he was finished catching by age 32.

Tough position. Hope Bobby gives McCann plenty of rest next season—-being on the DL this season might be why he’s fresh right now.

By Zack th Vol Man

September 28, 2006 03:06 PM | Link to this

At least we can hand the Astros some sweet revenge this weekend. By beating them, we can end their season and keep them out of the playoffs!

By ncscoots

September 28, 2006 03:14 PM | Link to this

DOB, re your remarks about the two guys, it’s really apparent when you see them together away from baseball, just chillin’. I happened to catch just a second last night of an interview they did together, Francoeur is asked about the most exciting thing that’s happened to him this year. He hesitates just a second, and McCann quickly reminds him that he BETTER say the most exciting thing was his engagement. Bubba, you can’t buy friends who get your back like THAT!

By doc

September 28, 2006 03:15 PM | Link to this

two reasons why the braves are not in the playoffs, wickman not here for the season but more importantly mcann’s injury. it semed to overlap and coincided with their 3 and 21 swoon where they resembled our beloved hawks.

keep up the good work dave. love the passion of you and most but because of the detractors stick to your comments referrals to others and a few reg players as time is short right now. cant wait for the hot stove league talk where we can really get caught up to date on the music world, bettter than the rolling stone i grew up with.

By The Grinch

September 28, 2006 03:18 PM | Link to this

10Paul, I have worked out at Gold’s, hit on the chick behind the counter for the 26th time and been shot down again in the same friendly and fetching way, stopped across the street at Publix for grilling items and here I am. Did I beat the stopwatch? :-) I, too, feel the 5-game series is an abomination that has seriously deteriorated the sport. It’s not nearly as fun as it used to be, when you actually had to be a good team with resolve and character to win. Unfortunately, I rarely receive a phone call from Bud saying: “Grinch, is this wild-card thing working out in your opinion?” Because, of course, I would have to say: “Why, no, Bud, and neither is the New York Metropolitan franchise.” Oh, well.

Shaun: you see what I mean about the other blogs now, huh? Mind-boggling how some of those a$$-monkeys have access to the internet.

By ncscoots

September 28, 2006 03:19 PM | Link to this

TPaul, I was never a HUGE fan of the show, though I did drool quite a bit over Gillian Anderson…naturally, that was before I became enamored of Virginia Madsen. I’m a big believer of fidelity in my drooling.

By Randy

September 28, 2006 03:38 PM | Link to this

I am glad Shuerholz didn’t trade him to Tampa for Danys Baez last off season.

By The Grinch

September 28, 2006 03:39 PM | Link to this

Gillian Anderson. Yum. I have a weakness for Redheads. And Blonds. And Brunettes. And Asian women. And women with a foreign accent. And…well, no sense in listing them all; Y’all get the point. :-)

Doc, I agree that was a big problem with McCann’s injury. Also, Chipper was practically carrying the team before he shredded his ankle early. Speaking of our Hawks, how ‘bout Speedy Claxton breaking his hand already. Is that franchise doomed, or what?

By TennesseePaul

September 28, 2006 03:40 PM | Link to this

Grinch: You made it. Not too shabby.

By Ricardo

September 28, 2006 03:42 PM | Link to this

Any shot JS approaches LaRoche about buying out his arbitration years? It’d be a good play by the Braves, getting cost certainty on a player whose value is on the rise. I know he comes across as dumber than a fence post, but he can play. BTW, has anyone been to the Hickory House in Dunwoody lately? It’s been a while for me and I’d appreciate a review.

By journalist jimmy smith

September 28, 2006 03:52 PM | Link to this

scoots, virginia madsen eats too much ice cream. you would be disappointed in her. now, mccann … yes, the comparison to the young, bald, johnny bench is a good one. noting that when mccann went down with injury there was only pratt to lick the platter clean. did bobby learn a lesson about breaking camp with the old and infirm? jordan, pratt, remlinger … and what happens with reitsma when he is healthy again? a player who selfishly takes the ball -without revealing that he has numbness in his fingers- and is totally ineffective costing the team wins is not worthy to be on a braves team. some players play hurt and draw admiration - but this was not the case with reitsma - he hurt the team. why should he be back in any capacity? get kolb back instead - at least he punched out coolers when he lost a game. now, did journalist really say, get kolb back? oh, the humanity!

By Bob, journalist

September 28, 2006 03:53 PM | Link to this

10 Paul, you can have my vote …

I too share someone’s concern … after reading David’s “Andruw story” … a strong sense that he’s likely to be gone. Say it ain’t so Joe!

David, regarding “New Country”, give him time … he’s still just a kid … or an alien.

By Phat Bat Boy

September 28, 2006 03:54 PM | Link to this

UNDER RATED (Clap, clap, clap, clap, clap) UNDER RATED (Clap, clap, clap, clap, clap)

No doubt about it DOB. I recall the first time he caught Smoltz. John had struggled a few games throwing to whomever was out there before (was it what’s his face in Arizona?) Anyway, McCall and Smoltz clicked like Maddox and (sorry, old age is affecting my memory). Anyway, after showing that he could bring the best out of a pitcher, he follows that up with a sensational batting performance this year. Francoeur may be the glamour boy, but McCann is the FRANCHISE. His offensive numbers compare favorably to Frenchy when you look at it proportionately. Why, again, does Jeff get all of the attention? Oh yeah, because of a 2-3 week run a freakin’ year ago. Get over it, already people. McCann is DA MAN!

By El Bravo

September 28, 2006 04:01 PM | Link to this

Dan Kol…..I can’t even type his name. The bad memories are just too scary. You would have thought that after last year JS would have learned the importance of a closer. I guess it finally sunk in this year. I’m glad we have Wick for another season.

By Bob, journalist

September 28, 2006 04:04 PM | Link to this

Grinch, do you know if Publix has Louie sauce/dressing … can’t reach ‘em on the phone and the nearest one is mamy miles from here? Can’t seem to find none nowhere … and I’m talking about the “Louie”, not “NoNeck”!

Boy, I hope we continue to finish the season strong … offseasons following off seasons are a bummer for everyone, especially young players and old fans.

By Bob, journalist

September 28, 2006 04:07 PM | Link to this

I know that I haven’t waited for the TV commercial … but “His offensive numbers compare favorably to Frenchy when you look at it proportionately” deserves recognition!

By gpburdell

September 28, 2006 04:09 PM | Link to this

We need a solid back-up catcher next year to give McCann a game or two off per week to keep him fresh. Most catchers are dragging by the time they get to this time of year. Maybe Brayan Pena, though you hate to stick a young promising catcher in a back-up role.

By Daybed Wagmoe

September 28, 2006 04:09 PM | Link to this

DOB: what about his strikeout total?

he’s only struck out 54 times this year in 429 at-bats. by comparison, Joe Mauer has 54 Ks in 509 ABs. Freddy Sanchez? 52 in 566 ABs. Pujols: 50 in 519. he’s not as strong as them in that category, but 54/429 is still incredible.

here’s how he ranks among regular catchers in MLB: - at-bats: 11th (429) - runs: 11th (61) - hits: 8th (144) - Extra Base Hits: 1st (58) - 2Bs: 4th (2nd in NL) (34) - HR: 1st (24) - RBI: t-1st (92) - OBP: 3rd (.392) - Slugging: 1st (.583) - Average: 2nd (.336) - OPS: 1st (.975) - Grounded into Double Play: 17th (12) (mauer: 22)

By The Grinch

September 28, 2006 04:10 PM | Link to this

“New Country.” Speaking of abominations. Y’all, I agree McCann’s underrated, but that’s no reason to belittle Francour. He’s a darn good player now and he’ll be a great one before long. No need to get mad at him just because he’s gotten more exposure. Like DOB said; they’re both good kids. If he was a pre-madonna we’d know by now. :-)

JJ Smith: Your assessment of Reitsma is 100% accurate, and his selfishness should have earned him a couple of years off to think about what character means. That said, I’ll bet you a crisp new Franklin that he’ll be right back on the roster next Spring. It’s the one trait of Bobby’s that almost makes me agree with Robert; if he’s a loser call him a loser. Don’t back him up to the point it destroys the team. Mark my words.

By El Bravo

September 28, 2006 04:18 PM | Link to this

Is Reitsma under contract next year? If he is, the Grinch is right. He’ll be in the bullpen again next year.

By Bean Ball

September 28, 2006 04:18 PM | Link to this

McCann will be washed up by 27-28, he’s already fat, out of shape and looks just like Andruw does now at 29. Several of you don’t care to complain about Andruw, so why spare McCann the same fate. Go ahead and start now. Oh, wait… he doesn’t make as much as Andruw, so it’s ok. With his physical appearance, in the future he will either suffer at hitting or catching, just a matter of time. Look at Chipper. He looks like he’s in fine shape, and look what’s happened to him. All people do now is bash him. So, go ahead and start on McCann, why should he be any different?

By doc

September 28, 2006 04:21 PM | Link to this

grinch we have similar discerning tastes.

chipper out hurts but it has been along time since he carried the team and he isnt the difference maker he was. cant remember if he was down with mccann to make it seem more the effect of the young pup but chipper may have been down then to compound it.

bc needs to let go of the shredded bodies. liked pratt but he just cant carry it beyond weekly appearances. hopefully the farm is ready for the second catcher.

By Hotspur

September 28, 2006 04:26 PM | Link to this

DOB: First, just want to say you’re the best Braves writer in the sixteen year run since the ‘91 season. Thanks for all your good work, and please don’t go anywhere.

Second: Anybody got updated stats on how close McCann is to qualifying for the batting title? Because he’s had quite a few 5+ PA games the last couple of weeks, and his average just keeps going up. I can’t remember how to figure the number of PAs he needs, and anyway, math ain’t my strong point. :-)

By El Bravo

September 28, 2006 04:29 PM | Link to this

I disagree, Chipper can carry the team. Remember what he did in July. If he hadn’t got hurt again, there’s no telling where his numbers would be. Chipper is not what he was back in 99, but he can still carry the team when he’s in the lineup.

By Phat Bat boy

September 28, 2006 04:39 PM | Link to this

Another memory to add to the myth that is Francoeur. If memory serves me correctly, during his first game as a Brave, the team was down early. They fought back and Andruw hit the dramatic go-ahead home run. A few batters later, Frenchy hit a 2 or 3 run homer to add the gravy on the biscuit. The whole city got hyped up about this rookie who hit a homer in his first big league game. But the homer that won the game for the team was hit by Andruw. The biscuit got lost in the gravy. And so it goes again, McCann is the biscuit and Francoeur continues to be the gravy.

By TennesseePaul

September 28, 2006 04:43 PM | Link to this

El Bravo: No. Reitsma is a free agent. Mark Bowman keeps angling for this guy to come back. Bowman’s take is, he might be too expensive. That’s true if you measure value by production. The only way he wouldn’t be expensive is if he paid the Braves several million to sit in the Bullpen and never pitch.

Probably shouldn’t be so hard on the guy… He seems like a nice guy. Just doesn’t have it for whatever reason. Lots of pitcher go through that. They’re good for a flash and that’s it. It’s done.

By The Grinch

September 28, 2006 04:43 PM | Link to this

I might be wrong, but it seemed to me Chipper was on a real tear right before that injury; looking better than he had in a couple of seasons. And we all know about the tear he went on after he healed (before injuring himself again).
Bean Ball, the most durable players aren’t always the most chisled. Jose Canseco went on the 60-day DL every time he got pruny from sitting too long in the hottub, and he was arguably the most chisled B-ball player ever. Look at Wicky for god’s sake, and he’s had an almost injury-free career. I admit McCann’s built kind of like a duck, but catchers are often squat and unweildy. Jason Kendall and Benito Santiago were the exceptions, not the rule.

Bob, had I known earlier I would have been glad to check (I have no idea what Louie sauce is, so I don’t recall from memory). Unfortunately, I live in a one-horse town; Gold’s and Publix are about a 30-minute round trip. That’s why I hit both at the same time. I’ll be going back tommorrow afternoon, I’ll be glad to check then. Is it like a BBQ sauce, or a marinade?

By Arkansas Hillbilly

September 28, 2006 04:44 PM | Link to this

Bean Ball, Call him fat, call him out-of-shape, call him what you want, but the dude can flat-out hit. Who’s to know what might happen by the time he’s 28-29. He might end up looking like David Wells, if it ain’t broke,……

By UGA 72

September 28, 2006 04:45 PM | Link to this

Beanball, you are a complete IDIOT.

Brian is not fat, he just isn’t sculptured. He hasn’t lost a lot of weight because it takes a lot of stamina to catch 130+ games a year. Look at older pictures of Joe Torre, Yogi, Johnny Bench, or Fisk Catchers must maintain a higher body weight.

By Antonio McNugget

September 28, 2006 04:49 PM | Link to this

3.1 plate appearances not at bats per game Hotspur.

Dont think he would win even if he quailfied though would he?

How many ab’s do you need to qualify for rookie status? Would McCann be considered a rookie given his abreviated season last year.

By Arkansas Hillbilly

September 28, 2006 04:53 PM | Link to this

Good call on Canseco, there, Grinch. I’d also like to point out another guy who was “overweight, and out of shape” that had a pretty successful career in New York back in the 1920’s.

By journalist jimmy smith

September 28, 2006 05:01 PM | Link to this

not gone yet … still, journalist will stick to baseball and toes and pie and canned ham. now, baseball … everyone says fredi gonzales will be gone. isn’t joe girardi the top managerial prospect in baseball if he gets fired in florida? if he’s not going to land somewhere and manage next season, journalist would like to see him with the braves. third base? bullpen? it would be nice to have him as an option when bobby goes. who will be the top contenders to replace bobby? ned yost? jimy williams? terry pendleton? jeff blauser? tom glavine?don sutton? pat corrales? ruth kent? old atlantans only know ruth kent. freddie miller? freddie blassie? oh, the humanity!

By journalist jimmy smith

September 28, 2006 05:03 PM | Link to this

Louie Sauce, American League, right?

By journalist jimmy smith

September 28, 2006 05:20 PM | Link to this

journalist would like to add, not only would i like to see joe girardi with the braves, journalist jimmy would like to see joe girardi with his shirt off. Oh the humanity! now canned ham. esteemed journalist loves the taste of toes after being soaked in canned ham juices, very tasty. would dob be interested? ugandan toes cleap up very nice after a good soak in canned ham. ugandan toes should not be trifled with.

By TennesseePaul

September 28, 2006 05:40 PM | Link to this

Brian is not fat, he just isn’t sculptured

I met a guy who was sculptured once. The conversation didn’t go very far. It was like talking to a stone.

By TennesseePaul

September 28, 2006 05:41 PM | Link to this

Antonio McNugget: No. McCann was a rookie last year. I’m pretty sure I’m right on this one.
It’s a matter of AB, and/or time with the team.

By journalist jimmy smith

September 28, 2006 05:42 PM | Link to this

the real jimmy smith has posted only half the jimmy smith posts today - but you knew that, didn’t you? question for bob, there is the canned ham - is there also the canned souse? is louie sauce also canned? why would grinch know anything about louie sauce? if it cannot be barbecued grinch won’t touch it. bob should ask carolina lady or flbravesgirl- about louie sauce. both live on the coast and might come in contact with said sauce. now, will davies have any sauce tonight? this jounalist is remembering dob’s article saying chuck james, while “maybe not as cerebral”, had jumped over davies as the top pitching prospect. journalist wonders how cerebral is cerebral in that dugout? what is the standard? who is the role model? uh, who’s counting? we may need hk to do another chart. is chipper still the smartest braves player?

By Bob, journalist

September 28, 2006 05:46 PM | Link to this

Grinch, I just call it that ‘cause my wife does … methinks it tastes good with just about anything … so maybe it would be with BBQ!

Actually, my understanding is that in it’s simplest form “Louie” is probably about 2/3 Mayo and 1/3 Catsup with a good dose of horseysause and some spices thrown in.

I’m not sure whether the stores consider it to be a sause or a dressing.

Good “Louie” is mighty tasty and certainly my preference over cocktail sauce for any seafood but especially shrimp and crab!!

For goodness sake don’t go to any trouble but should you remember on your next trip to Publix … it would be nice to know. Hardly worth the trip just to get artichoke bottoms and whiteacre peas, but if they’ve got “Louie” too … then that’s a different story!

Funny, until recently, both Gold’s and Publix were just a stone’s throw away … and now they’re both gone.

By Bob, journalist

September 28, 2006 05:52 PM | Link to this

Some American League Louies probably resemble that remark but they’re more apt to soused on the sauce than interested in seafood or BBQ.

By tyyosh

September 28, 2006 06:04 PM | Link to this

Bean Ball’s comments seem more like satire/sarcasm than serious IMHO.

Based on a manual count, it looks like McCann is at 479 PA’s and would need 23 more in the 4 games. That means he will likely end up with somewhere around 496-498 - so close, but not quite.

By tyyosh

September 28, 2006 06:18 PM | Link to this

Something else to think about, especially given the last blog about Andruw:

If you assume LaRoche’s and McCann’s 2nd halves and Francouer’s year are indicative of their future production, then next year for what - around 3 million total? - we will get something like 90 HR and 320 RBI along with good to great defense from those three. With Andruw for 15 million we will get something like 45 HR and 120 RBI along with great defense.

By berigan

September 28, 2006 06:18 PM | Link to this

Yahoo.com has much better stats breakdowns than ESPN, IMO. Couldn’t find total PA, but check this out. McCann Before the all-star break. 204 AB, 6 HR, 29 RBI. and a .343 B.A. After the break. 225 AB, 18 HR, 63 RBI!!! .329 BA. Lets get the DH in the NL, we need him getting 600 AB a year. ;)

By Bob, journalist

September 28, 2006 06:19 PM | Link to this

What is this with the Ruth Kent Show and Atlanta Wrestling? Miller was a piece of work but I guess you just had to BE THERE!

By Tony Almeida

September 28, 2006 06:22 PM | Link to this

Probably less then 10 PA’s short for a shot at a batting tile. Way to go Bobby Cox. I think we should rest Bobby Cox every 4 games instead.

By The Grinch

September 28, 2006 06:30 PM | Link to this

Bob, you beat me to that “sauced” comment, ruining a whole line that would have been reasonably funny. Actually, I forgot something at Publix today and if my trusty civic wasn’t wrecked (don’t ask) I’d go back tonight. But not at 10MPG. Louie sounds like something easily made in the kitchen, however. Do journalists not have spice racks?

Jimmy, that wasn’t all you? You amaze me! :-) They sell souse meat here locally, but it’s in plastic packages, not cans. And I do eat things that aren’t BBQ’d; I just don’t like them. Good point about the collective clubhouse intellect; Chipper’s the only one who would appreciate Andruw’s dirty jokes, but he wouldn’t get them. McDowell’s hot-foot gag is probably the very height of wit.

Ok, everybody, tear me a new one for this, but I’m tired of not knowing what the hell everyone’s taking about. What does IMHO mean? I only turned to a full-time computer person a few months ago when I moved back up here.

By Bob, journalist

September 28, 2006 06:35 PM | Link to this

10 Pual, you may have been drinking too much … that reminds me of one time when I visited a bar inside O’Hare between flights; set down and started a conversation with Norm and Cliff … but I was just drinking a Coke and smoking a Benson & Hedges.

Embarrassing, but the bartender had a sense of humor and the Coke was on the house!

By journalist jimmy smith

September 28, 2006 06:37 PM | Link to this

just to follow up, only half of todays posts were by the real jimmy smith. to all of those just joining the blog, journalist jimmy made a big announcement this morning. esteemed journalist has decided to come out of the closet. the idea of frolicking in the sun on a sandy beach with DOB was too much to hold in. journalist jimmy smith looks forward to the day that both journalists can ride horseback together in nothing but their undergarments off into the sunset. Oh the humanity! now baseball. journalist jimmy wonders if frenchy’s recent engagement announcement was a ruse to make jimmy smith jealous? was this nice? journalist jimmy has feelings too. jimmy’s feelings are not to be trifled with.

By Braves 20

September 28, 2006 06:38 PM | Link to this

Re Mac - team’s best on base percentage from the guy who plays the toughest position in the game. Injuries and plain old wear and tear make the next ten years impossible to predict but just 85% of this year’s numbers put him up there with Yogi, Bench and ahead of a couple HOF catchers who probably don’t belong there.

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

September 28, 2006 06:46 PM | Link to this

McCann is simply a stud. He is the best catcher in the NL for sure. Not LoDuca or Barrett. He has been consistent all year. And I say along with that god awful game in May against the Cubs (which the Braves won but blew a huge lead and exposed that horrendous bullpen) McCann’s injury in Arizona is what turned this team south. Remember the Braves were beginning to surge when McCann went down. You could see the life sucked right out of them and they really haven’t been right since. By the time McCann was truly back to playing every day the Braves were in the midst of the worst month in team history with no way out.

This kid is the heart of the team. I used to say it was Giles but its clearly McCann now. I knew he was special when he calmly walked up to the plate against Clemens in the NLDS last year and smacked that homerun like he had done it 100 times before. He respectively but confidently trotted around the bases. You know he was all over the place inside but he never showed it. That showed me right there the kid had a set and nothing could phase him.

IMO he should finish in the MVP race right behind Howard, Puljos, Beltran, and Berkman. Where would this team had been if McCann had got hurt bad enough to be out all season like it was initially feared? I shutter to think!

By Bob, journalist

September 28, 2006 06:49 PM | Link to this

Tyyosh, so for 18 Million we get 135 HR and 440 RBI … think of it … just a million dollars for 25 RBIs …that will work for me!

And just think, mama used to scorn my taking more than I could eat.

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

September 28, 2006 06:49 PM | Link to this

I think a stable and productive backup has to be brought in next year to backup McCann so he can have suitable rest and reduce the risk of injury. My first choice is B. Pena but if he is used as trade bait, which I am fine with if the right deal is made, then a good solid catcher has to be signed. Not Todd Pratt. Pratt may be stable but he is far from productive.

By Shaun Payne

September 28, 2006 06:53 PM | Link to this

To continue an earlier discussion:

It’s hard to remember now, what with another bash-o-rama streak going on, but the Braves struggled mightily to score early in the season, and Giles’ woes had a ripple effect.

I don’t remember the Braves struggling to score that often. Certainly not as often as plenty of other teams. I don’t think it’s necessary to get a “prototypical leadoff guy” as the Braves showed this year by finishing near the top in runs scored without one.

…

TennesseePaul,

I bring up the extreme examples (the Liriano trade, ARod) not because I think the exact same sort of things will happen with AJ and the Braves. But something somewhat similar is likely to happen if the Braves are smart about dealing AJ and if a decent deal is out there.

I don’t think they’ll get pitchers like Nathan and Liriano; that’s a once-in-a-lifetime type steal. But they could get some quality young players.

They wouldn’t save as much money as the M’s or Rangers did by dealing ARod, but they would save a lot of money that could be used to acquire even more quality players.

Still, I don’t think AJ is likely to be traded (I would say chances are about 60-40 in favor of him not getting moved, if I were guessing). And I don’t think the Braves should move him unless they get at least two young players that have at least more that 1/3 of Andruw’s win-creation potential.

By Bean Ball

September 28, 2006 06:53 PM | Link to this

tyyosh, you get it. UGA 72, you don’t. Looks like you’re the complete IDIOT.

By Bob, journalist

September 28, 2006 06:56 PM | Link to this

Grinch, I first thought I had joined a strange group but, Scoots explained it to me “In My Humble Opinion” or words to that effect.

By Shaun Payne

September 28, 2006 06:57 PM | Link to this

Here I go again with some geekiness, but according to Baseball Prospectus (Value Over Replacement Player) Brain McCann has been the most valuable Brave this season offensively. What’s amazing about this is that he’s done it while finishing 6th on the team in plate appearances and he’s a catcher. McCann could become a rich man’s Jason Varitek.

By Carolina Lady

September 28, 2006 06:59 PM | Link to this

Grinch, In My Humble Opinion

LOUIE DRESSING

1 c. mayonnaise 1/4 c. heavy cream 1/4 c. chili sauce 1 tsp. Worcestershire sauce 1 tsp. fresh lemon juice 3/8 tsp. salt 1/8 tsp. cayenne pepper 2 tbsp. very finely chopped white onion

Combine the ingredients and mix very thoroughly, being sure to mix the onions well into the sauce. Refrigerate for a few hours before serving so all flavors blend.

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

September 28, 2006 07:00 PM | Link to this

What’s up, Shaun. I think you know where I stand in regards to Giles leading off. I think the offense would be much more balanced with a speedy guy at the top and besides Giles hates doing it.

As for trading Andurw, I agree with you. I don’t think the Braves should get prospects for him though. I think they can get major league ready players with some experience. The Angels are the perfect team. I know many on here scoff at the assertion the Angels would give up Escobar/Santana, Figgins, and Kendrick. But, keep in mind that is exactly what they were preparing to do to get Carl Crawford and Alfonso Soriano. So my question is why wouldn’t they do that for Andruw then. I think they would.

By Braves 20

September 28, 2006 07:05 PM | Link to this

Robert (JIB) - Amen to the back-up situation. While a few worse deals or non deals (Wickman, Farnsworth, Hoffman) overshadowed it, bringing in a washed-up Todd Pratt sure didn’t help the season. Like you said, a young B. Pena would be good - no need for “veteran presence” because McCann plays and handles a staff like a vet.

By Stephen

September 28, 2006 07:11 PM | Link to this

Do you think that there is any way for the Braves to trade one of the young pitchers for Carl Crawford? This team needs some speed added to the team. It would also be a mistake for the braves not to sign Andrew for an additional 4 to 4 yrs.

By tigger101023

September 28, 2006 07:13 PM | Link to this

It’s not worth harming McCann just to get him eligible for the batting title. Bobby said he would start him the last six games to get as close as he can, but he’s a catcher, he can only play so often.

Fortunately, they’ll add in the missing PAs as outs and if your average can withstand the drop, you’ll get it anyway. Bobby said he wanted McCann in the top 10, and I don’t see why he can’t do it even with ~10 extra outs in his average.

There’s plenty to criticize Bobby for, but not getting McCann his PAs is one of them. Without the DL stint, he probably makes it, but what can you do?

By TommyB

September 28, 2006 07:18 PM | Link to this

I can’t get “I’ll Be Your Man” (Black Keys) out of my head or off my playlist.

Thanks, DOB.

By chef jimmy smith

September 28, 2006 07:26 PM | Link to this

journalist bob, this journalist was enjoying a delicious meal at hyman’s seafood in charleston two weeks ago, and with the meal there was a delicious dipping sauce that most definitely contained parmesan cheese. the sauce was most tasty and jimmy smith wonders if this might have been huey sauce or perhaps dewey sauce. are you familiar with these sauces as well? feathery texture but stays still in a bowl. now, bob is kind to thank jimmy smith for leading bob to the molasses candy but this journalist was glad to help. some molasses candy would go down good right now, right, bob? maybe wash it down with a pc for a pre-game snack. now, tonight’s baseball game … almost all “p” players played in last night’s game and the braves won big. will the “p” players get a start tonight?

By journalist jimmy smith

September 28, 2006 07:31 PM | Link to this

this just in … laroche is out of the lineup tonight suffering from a canned hammy.

journalist must go rest now.

By The Grinch

September 28, 2006 07:35 PM | Link to this

Thank you, Bob and CL. See, Bob? She saved you a trip and probably some money. You’d be surprised at how much I save making my own such things. That Louie stuff sounds like it would be good with seafood.

Shaun: Finally, one of those hare-brained stats that comes out with the right answer! :-)

By The Grinch

September 28, 2006 07:37 PM | Link to this

Oh, the wretchedly funny comments regarding other posts I could make if this wasn’t a family blog…sigh.

By David O'Brien

September 28, 2006 07:38 PM | Link to this

Unfortunately, McCann needs 25 plate appearances in the last five games. That’s almost certainly not going to happen, barring a couple of 15-inning jobs. Bobby’s got LaRoche batting second tonight; could’ve hit McCann there and probably gotten him another plate appearance. Both are slow as hell anyway, and McCann hits better with RISP.

Oh, well … probably a moot point, since Sanchez has a 10-point lead over McCann (.346-.336) anyway, with Cabrera at .339. It’s extremely unlikely that he’d gain 10 points on Sanchez in five games, especially since Sanchez never slumps.

By David O'Brien

September 28, 2006 07:43 PM | Link to this

Who cares what a catcher looks like? Long as he’s got big legs, fearlessness, can block the plate and throw out base-stealers (McCann’s OK and getting better in that regard), and more importantly as long as he hits like McCann does, who cares?

Remember Tony Gwynn? Terry Pendleton? John Kruk? On and on, guys who were pure hitters and hardly body-builders.

As for McCann, he’s still got baby fat. He’ll develop more muscle, but long as he can hit .330 and drive the ball out of the park to the OPPOSITE FIELD like he did this week, who cares?

By journalist jimmy smith

September 28, 2006 07:46 PM | Link to this

bobby, read jimmy smith’s lips … t-a-k-e - -h-i-m—-o-u-t—-n-o-w!

By The Grinch

September 28, 2006 07:47 PM | Link to this

That dirty Sanchez…hee-hee!

By David O'Brien

September 28, 2006 07:48 PM | Link to this

Sorry, meant to say McCann needed 23 PA’s in the last four games, including tonight. Not going to happen.

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

September 28, 2006 07:49 PM | Link to this

What a play by Andruw! I see plays like that I say to myself there’s no way we can trade him. I know. I have said it was a good idea. I want him to stay but only for a reasonable price and only if he signs the extension this winter.

By David O'Brien

September 28, 2006 07:52 PM | Link to this

Tigger, they only add outs in the case of a guy with a chance to win the batting title. They wouldn’t add outs to figure McCann into the top 10, only if he could win the batting title by adding outs to give him 502 PAs.

Also, if he’d played against lefties in the early season, he’d have it. Bobby didn’t play him against lefties early, and that plus the DL stint put him too far behind in PAs.

Kyle Davies … the horror…. the horror….

First inning wasn’t even over before we were reminded just how far Davies has to go and how much Andruw means to this team.

By David O'Brien

September 28, 2006 07:56 PM | Link to this

very good, grinch, the sanchez comment. approved by the censor.

By Carolina Lady

September 28, 2006 08:00 PM | Link to this

jjs, this may be the recipe:

Ingredients:

4 Tbs. Butter 1 cup Half & Half (half milk/half cream) 1-1/2 oz. (lobster stock)
2 Tbs. Fresh Dill, chopped 1 Tbs. Fresh Lemon Juice 1/4 cup Parmesan Cheese

Procedure:

In a saucepan on medium high heat, add the butter and melt. Add the Half & Half and lobster stock and whisk until blended. Simmer the sauce, whisking until slightly reduced (by about 1/4). Add the dill, lemon juice and parmesan cheese and whisk until thoroughly blended. Remove from heat and serve. (It’s really good!)

By Bob, journalist

September 28, 2006 08:01 PM | Link to this

Hi and Thanks My Lady!

Everything has been added to my grocery List … the only problem with the receipe is the few hours’ wait before serving! Much for the same reason that I never want to receive Christmas presents until Christmas Eve.

It’s only 7 PM here so I’m headed to Kroger!

Later All …

By tigger101023

September 28, 2006 08:02 PM | Link to this

Really? Such a shame - I thought McCann might be on the list, but you’re right, he’s not in first anyway. Still, the point remains that I don’t think it’s appropriate to blame Bobby for it.

As for Davies, the horror is right. How in the world did he dominate the minors in rehab and then come up and throw garbage like this? Wierd…

By Lew

September 28, 2006 08:08 PM | Link to this

RJIB-Why are you so convinced that the Angels will drool over Andruw and give us their best pitcher? Why didn’t they try to get him at the trade deadline when he could have made a difference getting to the playoffs> Why do you think they will trade for him in the offseason when they can get Soriano or Carlos Lee for money and no players? Are you just indulging in wishful thinking? Why pay three players to fill a hole when you can just buy one for the same price or a bit more?

By The Grinch

September 28, 2006 08:13 PM | Link to this

CL, you are an impressive woman indeed.

DOB, I wasn’t trying to sneak one by; I figured the only people who would get it wouldn’t be offended by it. You know I’m on good behaviour of an early evening. :-)

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

September 28, 2006 08:37 PM | Link to this

Lew, whose to say the Angels didn’t inquire about Andruw. Maybe they didn’t because they didn’t think he was available. JS didn’t shop Andruw around. Epstein took a shot in the dark and made a call. Remember, Epstein called JS and not the other way around.

Now, I think the Angles will attempt to get Soriano. I don’t see Carlos Lee. But, if Soriano balks toward them then Andruw is a possibility. Keep in mind, the White Sox, Red Sox, Dodgers, Mets, Mariners, Tigers, and even Astros will all be after Soriano. Not to mention the Nats. I don’t think he will stay with them despite what he says. But, you never know. Not to mention who knows how much the price could be driven up. Ramirez makes 19 mil and so could Soriano.

I’m just saying the Angles will be interested.

By The Grinch

September 28, 2006 08:40 PM | Link to this

Man, what if McCann needed those appearances tonight for the batting title? Joe West is a moron. I sure do wish someone could teach Langy how to hit; if he could we’d have the best outfield in the game.

By journalist jimmy smith

September 28, 2006 08:48 PM | Link to this

get what? huh? grinch, get what? carolina lady, thank you for the recipe. journalist just happened to have some lobster stock and was wondering what to do with it. this could very well be the delicious sauce journalist tasted at hyman’s (could ask hyman but hyman probably wouldn’t tell, or would tell and then kill journalist). carolina lady, please catch a tasty red snapper fresh from the ocean and mail it to jimmy smith so journalist will have a nice fish to dip in the sauce. and what is this sauce called? not huey, dewey, or louie - perhaps this should just be called great fish dipping sauce. now, baseball … fish sauce describes that first inning.

By journalist jimmy smith

September 28, 2006 08:54 PM | Link to this

journalist is practicing typing a column just in case

By Carolina Lady

September 28, 2006 09:02 PM | Link to this

jjs, I don’t know it’s name……we just call it the Fish Sauce! :-)

Send a fish by snail mail?? The sauce is good but it isn’t good enough to help petrified fish!

By Melissa

September 28, 2006 09:21 PM | Link to this

I keep hearing that so-and-so is a “great two-strike hitter.” The more I try to understand what that should really mean, the less successful I am. With two strikes, a pitcher should be more likely to throw junk. So, is a good two-strike hitter one who can better jump on garbage?

By The Grinch

September 28, 2006 09:42 PM | Link to this

Melissa, if there are runners on base (especially if the bases are loaded) then a pitcher is often oblidged to take a little off and throw a strike, especially if he’s struggling. Nobody wants to walk in runs. Plus, some overly agressive hitters swing at junk with two strikes, so, yes. Also, a good two-strike hitter is one who can continue to foul off pitches, be they balls or strikes, ‘till he gets the pitch he wants. This wears out the pitcher earlier and allows the hitter to see more of his stuff. Conventional wisdom says that the more pitches the batter faces, the more the advantage tips from pitcher to batter. Of course, I know a lot more about football than baseball, so maybe I should keep my trap shut. Hope that confused you! :-)

By Scalp 'em Braves

September 28, 2006 09:49 PM | Link to this

Dave: thanks for two great posts. First, I wholeheartedly agree with your coming out and calling down those who come here to snipe at each other and try to show their “humor”, which in reality, only shows immaturity, ignorance and their pushing the limits of just how obnoxious they can be. I haven’t visited much in the last couple of weeks because there was absolutely no baseball being talked (other than by you and a few true baseball fans). Again, thanks for returning focus to our beloved game.

I agree on McCann - I’ve been really impressed with him since the day he first played last year - this big, strong, Baby Huey looking kid who everytime he comes to the plate, looks as if his contacts don’t fit(wide eyed and blinky). Those who haven’t watched his remarkable performance over the last two years might think he has the “deer in the headlights” look. Let ‘em think that. This kid can flat out play.

Watching tonight’s game, I continue to marvel at Jose’ Reyes. God, what sort of year would we have had with a guy like this leading off our lineup. Tremendous speed, and the guts of a burglar when he is on base. Good fielder, and what really surprised me was a graphic flashed up a few minutes ago… .404 RISP average with 2 outs. That’s money. Let’s hope we have somebody in the wings with this kind of talent, or can find a difference maker like Reyes has been this year. I don’t think the Muts would have been nearly as good this year without him.

In the meantime, I’m flipping between the game (we need a hit, or two, or 10), and the Auburn game.

Scalp ‘em Braves and WAR DAMNED EAGLE!!!

By Melissa

September 28, 2006 09:53 PM | Link to this

Thanks, Mean One. When I hear “he’s a great two-strike hitter” though it doesn’t include the “with runners on base” qualifier however. So, I’m still not satisifed that description is comprehensive enough.

By the way, there is no “d” in “obliged.”

By The Grinch

September 28, 2006 09:54 PM | Link to this

Someone forgot to enable the Auburn blocker. McCann does look like Baby Huey, though; I’ll give you that. Woof, woof, woof!

By The Grinch

September 28, 2006 10:05 PM | Link to this

Sorry; I’ve been drinking. I think the final description I gave was the more traditional one; I was typing off the top of my head (I DID qualify my moderate knowledge level). You also didn’t need both “though,” and “however” in that sentence, but who’s really counting? :-)

By Scalp 'em Braves

September 28, 2006 10:08 PM | Link to this

Grinch - I know your a Dawg - don’t disparage my boys - they just KEPT THE BALL ON OFFENSE FOR THE ENTIRE 3RD QUARTER!!! Coach Superior didn’t get to run one play in the quarter. Unfreaken-believable - don’t think I have ever seen that in my life.

I pulled for the Dawgs Saturday and was glad they pulled it out in the end. I want em undefeated when they come to the Plains as we steamroll to the national championship.

Glad El Duque is out of the game - that guy has been wearing us out for years!! Now, maybe we have a chance.

By journalist jimmy smith

September 28, 2006 10:10 PM | Link to this

journalist would also like to report that upon arrival of the red snapper, journalist would formally invite DOB over for a romantic dinner. esteemed journalist vows to bring out the fine china and candles for fellow journalist DOB. he is deserving of a nicely cooked fish dinner by jimmy smith. journalist would also allow DOB to play footsies if allowed. toes are always welcome at uganda journalist’s house. if all goes well, journalist is hopeful that DOB would spend the entire evening at jimmys house. Oh the humanity! a bubble bath with DOB and journalist jimmy should not be trifled with

By journalist jimmy smith

September 28, 2006 10:11 PM | Link to this

many, many, cliches from the cow college educated. looks dialed in at the plate, goota keep a focus, play ‘em one at a time and let ‘em fall where they may. baseball talk. like shooting fish in a barrel. orioles just beat the yankees on a one-hitter in yankee stadium. leo was rocking tonight. it ain’t over ‘til the fat lady sings. touch ‘em all. goodnight gracie.

By The Grinch

September 28, 2006 10:19 PM | Link to this

In all honesty, Scalp, I hold Auburn in the highest regard of all UGA’s traditional opponents. Richt has proven he can handle Tennessee more often than not. Florida is purely a mental thing; we’re usually more talented. Tech is hated, to be sure, but they’re rarely a challenge anymore. Auburn has been a near-perfect rival since 1892. Though it doesn’t get the press of Ohio State/Michigan or some others, I think it’s perhaps the greatest rivalry in college football. Y’all look to have us in the talent and experience department this year (we’re reloading, obviously, and Y’all are hitting on all cylinders), and if you win our game you’ve got a good shot at the big show. I look forward to it with relish. And I’m always glad when someone hands Spurrier his hat and a**.

By The Grinch

September 28, 2006 10:27 PM | Link to this

True, neither UGA nor Auburn are ivy league. However, one essential difference between us and you is that we actually get some action (with REAL GIRLS!), thus we don’t have to resort to assuming someone else’s identity in a public gathering for the purpose of projecting our own homosexual fantasies and social shortcomings. Good luck with all that, and enjoy your education while you abuse yourself to pictures of Steven Hawking on Friday nights.

By Scalp 'em Braves

September 28, 2006 10:29 PM | Link to this

Grinch:

I share your sentiments on the AU-UG rivalry. I think in the 100+ years they have played, the teams are separated, in terms of total points scored, by something like 9 points (in Auburn’s favor, of course - LOL). As far as college rivalries go, you need to personally attend an Auburn-Alabama game sometime. I guarantee you there is no more intense rivalry anywhere.

By el bravo x

September 28, 2006 10:42 PM | Link to this

Can someone please shutup Sutton, now!

By The Grinch

September 28, 2006 10:42 PM | Link to this

To be sure, Scalp ‘em. Our own little in-state rivalry is quite nasty as well. I meant more like who are you really worried about more? You guys are better than Bama now (since Prothro blew his knee out); we’re better than Tech. It all ebbs and flows; but Ga/Au stayes the same. Like you said, the overall points differential is insane, and both teams have a penchant for playing spoiler on the other’s field (keep that in mind :-)). Anyhoo, I expect this conversation is boring others; I’ll check out the rest of tonight’s game and get back to you. Good luck.

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

September 28, 2006 10:47 PM | Link to this

Pedro is out for the postseaon, huh? Can you hear that sound coming from New York? Its full scale panick and lamenting because once again they will be playing second fiddle to their “bigger better older brother” the Yankees.

By journalist jimmy smith

September 28, 2006 10:48 PM | Link to this

auburn lines up on one side and alabama lines up one one side then they all run over and change sides and it is very intense. they call it the iron bowl. if you can’t beat ‘em join ‘em. take no prisoners. keep your head down. that dog won’t hunt. if it had been a snake it would have bitten you. colonial is good bread. now, baseball … andruw has 41 hr!

By David O'Brien

September 28, 2006 10:56 PM | Link to this

Scalp ‘em, agreed on Reyes. Personally, I think the kid could become the best leadoff man in 10 years. Seriously. He’s got a better package of skills than any other leadoff man in some time, and he’s such a dynamic, impact player. Can change a game in so many ways.

While my glorious alma mater, the Univ. Of Kansas, can’t be included in the elite-football discussions you folks are having, I’d like you to know that some of our students produced the best T-shirt this season: “Rock Chalk” on the front and “Our coach can eat your coach” on the back.

In case you haven’t seen him KU coach Mark Mangino goes at least 350 pounds. AT LEAST. Probably closer to 400.

By JJMB

September 28, 2006 10:57 PM | Link to this

Sutton is by far the most annoying Braves annoucer. He will NOT shut up. He always has something worthwhile to say (in HIS mind). Maybe, maybe, maybe, he will be fired this off season.

By el bravo x

September 28, 2006 10:58 PM | Link to this

What is wrong with Steven Hawkings? Is this it between TBS-Braves? How lame…

By TennesseePaul

September 28, 2006 11:01 PM | Link to this

Welp. It’s a losing season. Or lost season. Same thing I suppose.

So why did Cox and McCann get tossed? First I heard was that the Ump allowed a batter to take first on ball 3, but that was from a secondary source.

By David O'Brien

September 28, 2006 11:04 PM | Link to this

wow. someone is painfully unfunny.

but remember, Grinch, let’s not encourage. just grit teeth. discipline called for. that’s it.

By David O'Brien

September 28, 2006 11:07 PM | Link to this

El Bravo, wasn’t talking about you. That was actually quite funny _ both the reference to Steven Hawkings by Grinch, and your reply.

By TRocks

September 28, 2006 11:09 PM | Link to this

So, does anyone know if this is the last braves telecast on TBS? I thought they always did a little montage at the end of every yr on the final TBS game?

By JJMB

September 28, 2006 11:18 PM | Link to this

I don’t know about this guy Steven Hawkings, but there is another guy Stephen HawkING, who’s pretty sharp. Hawking radiation, and all that stuff.

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

September 28, 2006 11:20 PM | Link to this

Did anyone here read Mark Bradley’s column? If not, go read it. It is actually very good.

I actually think Mark put it perfectly. That is exactly how I feel. Its how I’m feeling right now. I think in the long run this will be a good thing for the Braves. Next spring instead of coming into spring training expecting to win the divison they now know they have to work hard.

Its one thing to say watch out for the Phillies or Mets only to see them fail time and time again. But, now, they have to watch out for them. They have to take those teams and the Marlins seriously. They will come into spring training hungry, embarrassed, and prepared. The entire orginization is embarrassed and p**. This isn’t suppose to happen. The division title is the Braves’ birthright, right? No, it isn’t and now they realize that.

I think JS will be quite busy this winter and this roster will look very different next season whether Hudson and Andruw are here or not. Guys like Ray, Yates, Orr, Pratt, Jordan, Ramirez, and Langerhans will almost certainly be gone either by trade or just by being told to “get the f out”. Cox and JS are not happy. I don’t care what face they put on in public. They are p**. Even with all the injuries this team was good enough for the playoffs. Some people didn’t carry their weight. Some did (Francoeur, Chipper, and Giles) but could’ve and should’ve been better.

I think JS and Cox will trade whomever they deem they have to make this team better. I guarantee they never want to have this feeling again. The list of guys who are all but assured of not getting moved is short. Chipper, Hampton, James, Smoltz, Wickman, Francoeur, and McCann are on that list. Diaz and LaRoche are on the waiting list to get on that list. I don’t think they would trade LaRoche considering the season he’s had and that he’s relatively cheap but if the right deal comes along………

Basically, the mistakes of the last six years won’t be made this winter. The Braves will join the Angels, Red Sox, Blue Jays, D-Backs, Cubs, and Orioles as the busiest teams this offseaon. These are all teams who believed they should be in the postseason and aren’t. Now, of all these teams who has the best frnt office. That’s right, the Braves.

This team isn’t rebuilding…………they’re RELOADING!

By el bravo x

September 28, 2006 11:25 PM | Link to this

DOB- No worries. There are topics that should me off limits in sports forums. Then again, everything in life is a sport, hence no worries.

By Scalp 'em Braves

September 28, 2006 11:28 PM | Link to this

Dave:

In a Sumo match, my money is on your man Mangino. He could empty a swimming pool with one belly flop. Football wise, well, I’m sure he’s a good coach, but, let’s face it - college football here is a religion. In Kansas, its probably a good excuse for hubby to get out of the house on Saturday and hang out with his buddies - no insult intended, just an observation.

We damned near lost that football game - gotta hand it to the “Ole Ball Coach” - he went down swinging, and his kids played hard. A road win in the SEC is sweet, no matter how ugly it may have been. Still haven’t seen anything close to a team not allowing an offensive play to the opponent for an entire quarter. Of course, I would like to forget about the 4th quarter, other than the last play.

Back to the GREATEST game in America. I totally agree with your comments on Reyes - he scares the crap out of me every time he gets on base - been a long time since I felt that way about any player i.e., since probably Lou Brock or Vince Coleman.

Those who have posted comments here that the Muts are going nowhere in the playoffs are wrong, in my opinion. Yes, the have lost Pedro. But, they have two strong starters, and the other 2 are capable of putting up good games. They do have, however, a strong offensive team (lest we forget that David Wright has been resting the last few games), Delgado and Beltran are having a great year, LoDuca has been a clutch hitter, etc. Give the Muts credit - they put together a good team this year - one can only wonder what we could do with their checkbook. I think they will at least get to the NLCS, and are likely to get to the WS - they are a threat to go down in four if they get that far, but that’s farther than we have been in a few years.

I hope the Phils get into playoffs. Yes, the East is weak, but I’m tired of hearing about the “Least East” from my snobby midwest buddies who thought the Cards were the bomb this year. As far as the left coast is concerned, they have a leg up on the WC, but, as we all know, surfers are cool and look good, but they are soft when it comes to crunch time, always thinking about getting laid, and not keeping their eyes on the prize. Whether the Pads or Bums get into the playoffs, or both, they will fold like a cheap chair.

War Eagle, ya’ll.

By el bravo x

September 28, 2006 11:50 PM | Link to this

Tell the truth, he problaby wrote that piece 4-5 years ago. Tell the truth!

By Scalp 'em Braves

September 28, 2006 11:53 PM | Link to this

Robert:

In response to some of your comments.

I agree that JS will make some surprising moves this winter - much like he did bringing in Edgar. I hope some of his surprising moves (or non-moves) do not rise to the level of his failure to sign a closer - thank goodness we have Beefy Bob locked up for next year. Hope he comes through like he did for us the second half (that is, when he got the opportunity, when Yates or Ray weren’t blowing a lead, or at least holding a lead or tie). I agree on Orr and Pratt. As far as Jordan is concerned, I can’t understand why they brought him back this year - he needs to head to the pasture, and should have done so this year. As far as HoRam is concerned, I’m not convinced he needs to go - he does seem fragile - but, Smoltz has been called brittle in the past, but look at him now - an elder statesman, and (along with Chipper), the heart of the team. I don’t know if HoRam has Smoltz’s fire, competitive spirit, etc - but maybe through osmosis or otherwise, some of that will rub off on him if he hangs around long enough.

I don”t think we need a lot of change in our starting pitching. We definitely need a set up guy, and another arm in the penthat can hold a lead. I think a critical need is a speedy lead off guy. I say Dave’s comment on Juan Pierre, who, though having a decent a year, was a disappointment to the Cubs this year. Maybe he will be obtainalble? He would make a great left fielder for us, and a spark at the top of the lineup.

I think Diaz, Thorman, and Langerhans are tradeable. I still want JS to look into what it would take to get Gonzalez from the Bucs. I think he would be the perfect set up man for Beefy.

By David O'Brien

September 28, 2006 11:53 PM | Link to this

Hawking, Hawkings, Steven, Stephen … accuracy’s overrated, right? (he says, wincing).

Hey, sorry, just fired that Hawking reference off without googling or glancing over at my bookcase to check for the spelling on one of several books I have by the great man (he say, lying).

Scalp ‘em, it’s a religion in a few Big 12 environs, obviously. But at KU, you’re right, it’s an excuse to enjoy fall weather and throw back a few with students or, if you’re old like me and my classmates, fellow alums.

Or an excuse just to go back to Lawrence once a year.

Our religious sport officially starts when they roll out the balls for the midnight basketball practice, but unoffically goes year-round with the recruiting of those McDonald’s All-Americans.

By Tony Almeida

September 28, 2006 11:55 PM | Link to this

I apologize for the first comment on the blog…I just wanted to announce that I have poor taste in music. Extremely poor.

I think I’m going to go listen to Kenny Chesney. He’s so country. He stole a horse, ya know. Yep, he and Tim. Just good old-fashioned hellraisers.

I can’t wait for the next Shania Twain album, she’s to country what Celine Dion is to the United States. Yee-haw!

By Scalp 'em Braves

September 29, 2006 12:04 AM | Link to this

JJMB:

I disagree on your comments about-ent Sutton. After all, he’s an Alabama native, and he can’t be all bad. I’ll take him over Bob “Biff Barf” Rathbun any day, any week, any month, any season…. well, you get my point. At least Sutton played the game, and let’s not forget, he is in the Hall. Rathbun, on the other hand, has one of those fake voices, is over-enthused (I want to puke every time I hear him say “What a great play!! on routine grounders), and is little more than a paid cheerleader. If that is what the Braves want for an announcer, then at least give me a good looking woman with nice tata’s.

By Tony Almeida

September 29, 2006 12:23 AM | Link to this

Damn imposter…McGraw is the new wave of country..apparently McCann thinks so…so eat on that one

By Phillip

September 29, 2006 12:28 AM | Link to this

The fact is, this team has too much money tied up in a few players…some of which are underperforming. 1.Hudson-gets paid like Smoltz, pitches like Thomson 2.Chipper-still the best hitter on the team, but will probably miss 1/3 of the year from now on 3.Andruw-Streaky & stubborn, but still a great player 4.Hampton-rides the pine for a year and a half, and will probably come back next year and win 10-15 games…but will make half of the GDP of Liechtenstein while doing it

Maybe I missed someone, but I think you get it. Somebody has to go to free up some money. It would be nice to wash our hands of Hudson & Hampton’s contracts…maybe we can get Boston to take them. You know that they’ll be in full panic mode this offseason, as horrible as that team is run. Especially with the local media calling the shots.

By The Grinch

September 29, 2006 12:54 AM | Link to this

Sorry for my lapse, DOB; none of us are perfect. I’ll do better from now on. :-)

By flbravesgirl

September 29, 2006 12:58 AM | Link to this

I’m so glad to see the praise for McCann. It’s a real injustice that no one outside of Braves fandom has noticed what he’s doing. Thanks, DOB, that made my day. Pity that the game didn’t live up to the blog. Davies was just…blech is the best description I can think of. And what bit Joe West’s butt?!

Now, regarding an earlier post, Brian is not out of shape. I don’t think it would be possible for him to catch all year if he wasn’t well-conditioned. He does have a little baby fat but has trimmed down around the middle since the beginning of the season. The baby fat will go away as he puts on more muscle.

By Bob, journalist

September 29, 2006 12:59 AM | Link to this

Robert(JITB), I agree pretty much with your short list, including the two “standbys” and am hoping I’m wrong about Andruw’s future with the Braves.

However, I personally think that we can run the table next year with a starting eight taken from the current roster … the offensive explosions we’ve seen this year strongly suggest that the talent is there to be had … and the inconsistency shows that we need some folks to show them how to effectively harness that talent against different types of pitching and under different sets of circumstance … if that can be done without a change in the cast of coaches, then I’m for that.

I think too that we have a good core group of pitchers, including James and McBride … and the technology is there to figure out what’s wrong with Hudson!

By New York Brave

September 29, 2006 01:14 AM | Link to this

No one ever comments on the horribly huge salary of Mike Hampton (11.5m?), who obviously has no off-season value since he was out all season. That really takes a chunk out the leadoff man cash. I think I would cry if the Braves dealt James over Ramirez (who just has terrible luck).. they’re gonna have to deal one of them.. right now we have Hudson, Smoltz, James, Ramirez, Hampton, and Davies. And poor Chipper’s feet are a real downer. .325 w 25HR and 85RBIs in 106 games is still pretty damn good. Betemit for Aybar and Baez was a terrible move, especially since they won’t resign Baez. Everyone hated Laroche for the longest time, but I believe he’ll be one of the top 3 hitters on the team next year. I think they played pretty well this year despite the record.. if we got Wickman from the Indians in the offseason we would be getting ready for the post-season.

By Lew

September 29, 2006 01:19 AM | Link to this

RJIB-It must be my day for talking to you, Dude. I agree with you wholeheartedly about the team’s attitude towards this season. However, I don’t see that many changes on the horizon this season. I think Andruw will remain a Brave. I have a strong feeling Marcus will, too. I also think that LaRoche has definitely locked himself into two more years, if not three. I also think Langerhans will remain with the Braves. I don’t see a lot of the current roster being traded. I think JS will make moves for a pitcher like he did for Renteria last offseason. He will pick someone’s pocket for Salty or Brayan Pena and Thorman and get the other team to pay half of their salary. Orr may well be gone. I really don’t think Prado is quite ready to take over for Marcus and knowing how tight Marcus and BC are, they may well look at Giles as being cheap for $5million. Well, I guess we will have to see what happens. Good night all, it’s been a long day.Have a good one RJIB.

By berigan

September 29, 2006 01:25 AM | Link to this

Astros are behind the Cards by a half a game! WOW! I was quite bitter after the Astros bounced the Braves last year, but I’d still rather see them in than the lame-_ss Cards. Pujols is beyond great, but the rest of that team, especially their starters make for a 3 and out team. If the NL is going to put up a team that won’t be swept, they need a team with real starters. The Astros, Padres, someone like that. Another reason to root for the Astros, is that it really could be the end of Roger Clemens in the majors, going out at 44 with a better ERA(2.35) than, well just about every other starter with 100 or more innings. So, even if you want to root against the Astros, go see Roger Friday!

By Head Coach

September 29, 2006 01:31 AM | Link to this

Early in the season my belief was that Cox was correct in having Todd Pratt as a veteran backstop. Now , looking back on his total lack of an offensive game when playing I believe its time to replace him with Breyan Pena in 2007. Saltalamacchia has no future in Atlanta at the moment and if he could be traded for a young inexpensive pitcher with high upside(can you say Zach Duke ten times , really fast?) it would address the need for pitching and give the Braves another young lefty. Basically trade Salty and Thorman for Duke and count your blessings. Davies came up in 2005 and has two years under his belt in Atlanta. 2007 is his make or break season.

By Pirates Manager Jim Tracy

September 29, 2006 01:54 AM | Link to this

Head Coach,

Throw in Andruw, and we got a deal!

By Tom A. Hawk

September 29, 2006 02:11 AM | Link to this

Take heart, Braves fans! Atlanta Braves West, otherwise known as the Los Angeles Dodgers, cut their magic number for clinching the wild card to 2 tonight! Watching Maddux and Furcal and Betemit and J.D. Drew knock out the Mets will be cool, anyway!

By Bravo Nam

September 29, 2006 03:58 AM | Link to this

Preparing for the Postseason…as much as the regular season.

I’m confident the Braves will rebound strongly next year…and I think they are too. But, there is no point them going from the disappointment of not making the playoffs this year to another early round playoff exit again next year. That’s called futility.

Only going deep into the playoffs next year is going to make the pain of missing out this year bearable.

The Braves must build a team this winter capable of not only competing for 162 games, but also one that is competitive in the postseason. Given that some of my brothers and sisters have been bold enough to share their views on what the Braves should do, in that spirit I offer these thoughts.

Starting pitching SP1- Hampton SP2- By trade SP3- Smoltz SP4- By free agency SP5- James SP6- Davies

I’ll explain the above- first Smoltz. Smoltz reverted back to being a SP, primarily coz he said he was sick and tired of the Braves flaming out early in the playoffs. Last year he was ridden so hard that he wouldn’t have been able to pitch in the second round of the playoffs. This year, the guy has again thrown over 200 innings, and was coming back on short rest in bloody May! Absolutely hopeless. I’m not sure how good he would’ve been if the Bravos had have made the playoffs this year, but I know this, he would’ve performed a lot better if he had’ve been relied on less during the regular season.Hence the reason for Smoltz as SP3- clearly is he our ace- but keep him as our ace for the playoffs. Keeping him at SP3 protects him from many things- high expectations from himself in terms of carrying the team, from Bobby in terms of Smoltz being the go to man, from the team, and from having to work as hard as he ordinarily would being the number one starter. By BC starting Smoltz at number 3 from the beginning of the season, he is sending a message. The two SPs above him will be expected to shoulder more of the load and pressure, that BC is going to discipline himself not to overwork Smoltz, and that Smoltz is to reduce his expectations of himself during the regular season. Both Smoltz and BC have to be disciplined- NO starts on short rest, occasional rest between starts, and ensuring Smoltz pitches no more than 180 innings during the season. If Smoltz wants to have another ring before he retires, then he needs to show some common sense.

Hampton- At number one only because I don’t think the Braves can get a number one. He is coming back from injury and it’s risky- that’s why Cox needs to ease him along slowly. But actually, Hampton not only has the stuff to be a number one, but also the make-up.

Trade for SP2. The Braves don’t have the money…and there aren’t enough no 2s on the market. They’ll need to acquire SP2 via trade.

SP4 by free agency.

To free up money and make the moves they need to, they’ll trade Hudson, Ramirez, Giles, Langerhans and Escobar.

Catcher Mc Cann no brainer, but turf Pratt. As Robert (JITB) suggests, Pena at no.2 or trade him, but get in a better catcher. Salty is not ready.

First base No brainer. For money and performance, LaRoche and Thorman.

Second base Prado/Orr

Short Rent/Orr

Third Jones/Aybar

RF Francoeur

CF Difficult one. I had been leaning heavily towards trading Andruw, and yesterday’s article by DOB gave the clear impression that this time there won’t be any significant discount. But gee, after having a look at a few people’s projected batting lineups for next year, it looks frightening not having AJ in there at no.4. His production…and the fear he strikes in the opposition…will be greatly missed. And, that’s even before we consider how many runs he saves. If I was JS, he needs to make a decision this winter. If Andruw doesn’t sign a multi year, averaging 14 mill, then trade him. I hope Andruw accepts.

LF Diaz/our new leadoff hitter

Bench There are countless occasions in the postseason when the bench is the difference between winning and losing. We absolutely must have a high calibre guy on the bench- Daryle Ward must be on JS’ shopping list.

Bullpen 1. Closer- Wickman 2. 8 inning set-up man: I don’t feel confident enough in any of their current guys- absolutely must bring in a proven set-up man. 3. Boyer 4. Paronto 5. Devine 6. McBride 7. Foster

It’s not a complete list, but that’s the kind of structure I’d have in place- bottom line is- the Braves need to begin to learn how to put together a team in the winter that has a chance to compete during the regular season and postseason.

By ncscoots

September 29, 2006 04:27 AM | Link to this

gaack, I had to reset my alarm clock to catch an early flight, but I must have been juuussst a little off last night. Or just didn’t pay attention, or something. Anyway…I’m AWAKE now, and probably alone on the blog (“scoots moved about the vast place, with the eerie feeling that he was alone. And yet…not.”) DOB, LOVE the KU tshirt! BTW, I wondered about the meaning of “Rock Chalk” for some time, but just never bothered to find out. What’s that mean, exactly…Are the Braves doomed to forever suffer at the hands of pitchers named Hernandez and portly umpires? I always thought Joe West was a pretty good ump, but, man, he must have missed his pre-game nap. Seemed just a leetle cranky…I’ve come to be a fan of Chuck James B, and the kid doesn’t seem to fazed by much, but I wonder how he sees going mano-a-mano against the Rocket. I know, if asked, he’ll make all the proper noises, etc., but I get a little twitch that what he would REALLY like to do is show Roger his custom-made “I’m Chuck James” shirt…Re McCann as Baby Huey, that’s PERFECT! I could have thought for days and not come up with something as apt. And you’re right about that look in the eyes: “Come on, you gotta throw it sometime, let’s dance.” good post…No chance the Braves will pay Juan Pierre upwards of $7MM, so please let’s put that notion to bed…I admit to being puzzled about this: many bloggers suggest that Giles can be traded because the Braves have many major-league-ready middle infielders, but no one ever suggests that Renteria be moved instead. I’m not advocating that, so don’t go crazy, I just find it interesting that none of our Trader Jacks have ever brought it up. I certainly don’t think Escobar is ready to take over at SS (though I didn’t think Furcal was ready his rookie year, either. Just missed the mark a little on that, huh?)…what year was it that the Braves traded Klesko to SD? That was a year when the team tried to go with a speed dimension, using Quilvio Veras and somebody else at the top of the order (shows that my synapses take longer to fire these days, can’t even remember who the other speedster was)…oh well, I’m off. Time to play capitalist running dog again, and marvel, as always, at the obscene amounts of money I’m able to talk other corporate executives into spending with me for no readily apparent reason. It’s a long way down the road from my code-slinging days, for sure. But we’ll always have Paris…and the blog.

By Bravo Nam

September 29, 2006 04:56 AM | Link to this

Robert (JITB) Fully agree- I don’t believe for one moment JS is going to fiddle around the edges this offseason- there will be wholesale changes.

Wickman Forgot to mention in my earlier post. BC needs to handle Wickman very carefully. I think BC has been a bit sloppy in handling Wickman so far. For example, having Wickman pitch two days running in a non-save situation is not on- it’s OK every once and a while if he hasn’t pitched for a bit and needs sharpening up- but two is ridiculous. Coz what happens if Wickman then has three save situations in a row? You either have to rest him and bring in someone else for that last save or you play him five days straight and increase the risk of a blown save. We can’t have Wickman stumbling into the postseason out of breath. Exhausted. Beaten. BC has to handle him well- not overwork Wickman- coz he is key to our success. Wickman is much more than simply a closer for the Braves- he is the guy that holds the entire bullpen together.

By Bravo Nam

September 29, 2006 05:09 AM | Link to this

ncscoots If my brain serves me correctly, I think that guy was Reggie Sanders.

Good question about why people normally talk about trading Giles rather than Rent. After all, Giles won’t make much more than Rent in arbitration. The main reason I think is that Prado is much more ready to replace Giles at second than Escobar/Andrus/anyone else is ready to replace Rent at short.

By Bravo Nam

September 29, 2006 05:17 AM | Link to this

Actually ncscoots, another important reason- Giles is much more injury prone than Renteria!

By Bob, journalist

September 29, 2006 05:48 AM | Link to this

Somehow, my earlier comments to Robert were truncated and I left without seeing the actual post … Robert I think we’re really on the same page; give or take a lie or two.

I do believe that during the streak, many of the fans, much of the media, and perhaps some of the players became enamored with the Braves’ Mystique and came to underestimate the opposition … but I can’t believe that of the organization.

You don’t win 2 Division Titles in a row … much less 14, by doing that!

I also think that like Eve, Bobby has four faces, maybe more … the one we see; the one seen by his players behind “closed doors”; the one seen around the decision making table … and the one seen back down home.

When it looks to us like “loyality” decisions are being made … some of that, maybe most, might just be that he believes in his players and the team a bit more than we. It’s hard to know what goes on behind closed doors … but I figure he has a pretty good handle on the level of competition he’s facing and he’s been doing a good job of figuring out and managing what he’s got … not what he wishes he had … for a rather long time.

Regardless, I doubt that anyone sleeps very much during decision making meetings and I’m confident that the carefull evaluation of the competition is a 24-7-365 priority of the organization.

Thats not suggesting that some within the organization didn’t need a “wake-up call” … that’s to be expected when you dominate your competition for an extended period.

But while there have been embarassing moments for all, I just don’t believe that the entire organization is embarrassed by the overall performance of the team … nor with that of its own internal operations … certainly disappointed and perhaps a bit upset and/or bemused.

If it’s true that the organization, as a direct result of the “embarrassment” of this season, “now realizes” that they must improve and be better prepared … then it’s not a very good organization … and I can’t believe that to be true.

I’m confident that they realized it before this season … but I do agree with Robert and strongly believe that they will improve and be better prepared!

Well, thanks to The Lady, the sauce turned out great and the shrimp’s been ate … so I’m going to bed!

By Shaun

September 29, 2006 08:08 AM | Link to this

Shaun: Finally, one of those hare-brained stats that comes out with the right answer!

Actually, I trust most of the “hare-brained stats” more than the commonly-used stats. Most of those stats actually tell us something about run creation/prevention and not just where a player hits in a lineup or if he’s getting lucky, etc.

By Lew

September 29, 2006 09:27 AM | Link to this

Bravo-Hey Dude- I’m not in agreement on the wholesale change thing (see my 1:19am post). I think JS will definitely make some changes, but not that many. I think a trade of Scheurholzian proportions for a starting pitcher is a probability. Howver, I think he will use a package consisiting of either or any of Salty, Brayan Pena and Thorman and possibly Escobar. I really think that Andruw and Marcus will remain Braves, at least for 07. JS career is growing shorter and I guarantee he will go with the people who he thinks will get him to the dance. That includes Marcus and Andruw. The idea of trading Renteria is interesting. I think Tony Pena is showing that he can handle SS until Andrus is ready. Prado and Aybar are not really ready for starting everyday play. Marcus at $5 million is cheap. The guy can flat out pick it at 2nd and this year offensively was the exception. He started out spring training hurt and with a kid in a world of hurt after birth. As a parent of a premature child, I can tell you-your mind is never on anything but the baby. Hard way to start a season, especially when you are trying to condition yourself for the grind. I think we will see a creative approach to get another starter and he will then bring in a RH pich hitter who can play first and a copuple relievers like always. He already got the big part (no pun) of the bullpen by signing Wicky. No expensive set up man is in this offseason’s future, nor is a leadoff hitter.

By Lew

September 29, 2006 09:32 AM | Link to this

Bravo-Giles WILL NOT make more than Renteria after arbitration. Giles should get a bump to $5 mil. Reteria makes more than that even with what the Sox are paying. It’s only about a mil difference, but he still makes more than Giles. I do think Pena is ready, though. Exceptional defense and he showed last night he is capapble of getting on base. Leadoff?

By Arkansas Hillbilly

September 29, 2006 09:46 AM | Link to this

McCann is yet another victim of the “Subject of the DOB Blog Curse,”

By Head Coach

September 29, 2006 10:26 AM | Link to this

Bravo , you had better stick to your day job my friend.

By Shaun

September 29, 2006 10:27 AM | Link to this

I don’t understand everyone’s obsession for acquiring a leadoff hitter. The Braves have a good shot at finishing in the top 5 in all of baseball in runs scored without a “true leadoff hitter.”

The White Sox don’t have a great leadoff hitter (Podsednik has a .330 OBP) and they will finish in the top 3 in runs scored.

Having a high on-base/speed guy hitting first obviously helps a little, but it’s not necessary. The Braves (or any other team) shouldn’t go out of their way (i.e., overpay) for a “prototypical” leadoff guy. They should concentrate on getting above average on-base and power guys at every position…and pitchers who don’t give up a lot of walks and homeruns and who strikeout a lot of hitters.

Lew,

With all due respect, I don’t think Tony Pena is the answer. His highest OBP in any minor league season was .312. His career OBP in the minors is .285.

Lot’s of players have done things out of the ordinary in just one game. Pena will probably be no more than a backup infielder at best.

By Shaun

September 29, 2006 10:53 AM | Link to this

Here’s something ESPN’s Rob Neyer wrote about the Braves underperforming pre-season expectations:

I think we gave the Braves a bit too much credit for what they’d done since 1991 and didn’t notice that they weren’t great in 2005 and didn’t get any better before 2006. Specifically, the culprits this season were Jeff Francoeur’s silly on-base percentage, Marcus Giles’ odd lack of power and Tim Hudson’s transition from future Hall of Famer to future Royal. The Braves also have suffered some tough luck with their pitchers, healthwise, which might or might not be related to the departure of Leo Mazzone. All this has left us to mostly miss fine performances from Edgar Renteria, Andruw Jones, Chipper Jones, Adam LaRoche and (especially) Brian McCann. The pieces are there, and the Braves are good candidates to become next season’s this season’s Twins.

By Tom A. Hawk

September 29, 2006 11:16 AM | Link to this

Shaun, check out the Braves’ record in one-run games, then get back to me about how this lineup couldn’t use a little more speed. Someone like an Otis Nixon who can create havoc on the base paths and make a pitcher and defense jumpy and mistake-prone would help this offense a lot more than a little. Your precious stats never tell the whole story.

The Braves and White Sox both scored a heap of runs this year, that’s for sure. And they’re both sitting home in October. Reyes and the Mets aren’t. Furcal and the Dodgers probably aren’t. Dave Roberts and the Padres aren’t, either.

By flbravesgirl

September 29, 2006 11:28 AM | Link to this

Something that makes sense, written by an ESPN staffer? What a rarity! Thanks, Shaun. I disagree with him slightly in that I think it was mostly due to the pitching (or lack thereof) rather than Francoeur and Giles. At least he thinks there’s promise for next year!

Arkansas Hillbilly, I’ve noticed “the blog jinx” too.

By Tom A. Hawk

September 29, 2006 11:29 AM | Link to this

You people trash ESPN all year as being a bunch of stupid talking heads with a pro-Mets and Yankees, anti-Brave bias, then you suddenly want to quote them as experts the second they say something you like. Amazing how they get a whole lot smarter just like that.

The NL East is getting stronger, and the Braves are shaky, age- and health-wise, at a lot of key positions. There’s reason for optimism because the organization has proven every year except 2006 that it can address the team’s shortcomings and remain competitive. But there’s also 2006 to consider, when it all fell apart. Turning it around won’t be as easy as most of you seem to think.

And by the way, the Mets are far from dead just because Pedro’s on the shelf. Pedro only was responsible for 9 of the Mets’ 95 victories this season. So if you really want to make sure the Mets don’t make the World Series, then you better tell your heroes to lay down this weekend against the Astros, because Houston’s the only team with pitching that can dominate the Mets.

By Drummerdad

September 29, 2006 11:39 AM | Link to this

DOB, I’m not a huge fan of country music, but there’s just something about Patsy Cline that does things to the boy. And then there’s Willie Nelso singing “Mona Lisa”. To quote Journalist Jimmy, “O, the humanity!” Regarding T-shirts, my brother lives in Minneapolis. While Jessie Ventura was governor up there in the tundra my brother came for a Christmas to our friendly South Carolina climate. He was wearing a T-shirt that said “my governor can beat up your governor.” That was good for some Christmas fun. As for the Mauer/McCann comparison, I’ll take McCann for obvious reasons and the fact that Mauer plays in the GIMMICK DOME. I hate the place. It’s under pressure to keep the GIMMICK ROOF up. When you leave the building you’re literally blown out the door. Aside from Lonnie Smith loosing the ball against the white tarp or Kent Hrbek pulling Ron Gantt off first base, the beauty of that series was young bucks like Smoltz and Avery getting the Braves over the hump of mediocrity into the zone of playing the game with the expectation of excellence.

Shaun Payne and Tennessee Paul: I respectfully disagree with your conclusions about the Wild Card or Joker slot. I think extending the first round of the series only penalizes the teams that have fought through a long season to get to first place so that they have the privilege of an easier time in the first round of the playoffs. I subscribe to the Mark Lemke suggestion that in order for the Wild Card winner to advance to the Second round of the playoffs they have to win 4 OUT OF 5 games in the first round. Otherwise you’re making a division winner contend longer with a team that just got hot. Recent history shows that the Wild Card winner is getting an unfair advantage in my opinion. LET THE WILD CARD WINNER HAVE TO FIGHT FOR IT.
I’m going to enjoy these last few days of this season and look forward to the Winter Trading Fest. We’ll have much to say. I’m off to pack drums. Got a job to play. Western Swing music. Fun stuff.

By Shaun

September 29, 2006 11:49 AM | Link to this

Shaun, check out the Braves’ record in one-run games, then get back to me about how this lineup couldn’t use a little more speed. Someone like an Otis Nixon who can create havoc on the base paths and make a pitcher and defense jumpy and mistake-prone would help this offense a lot more than a little. Your precious stats never tell the whole story.

The Braves and White Sox both scored a heap of runs this year, that’s for sure. And they’re both sitting home in October. Reyes and the Mets aren’t. Furcal and the Dodgers probably aren’t. Dave Roberts and the Padres aren’t, either.

Come on, you’re digging too deep.

You are ignoring the whole story—you are ignoring pitching. The Braves pitching has been bad. You can say a speed guy would have helped, but a lot of things may have helped them win some of those one-run games: not giving so many PA’s to a guy with a horrible OBP, more quality pitching.

The Braves are going to be sitting at home because of their bad pitching. The White Sox are going to be sitting at home because of their mediocre pitching and because they play in the same division with the Tigers and Twins.

The Braves are near the bottom in runs allowed and the White Sox are in the middle of the pack. Both the Dodgers and Mets have allowed much, much fewer runs than the Braves or White Sox.

…And you said “precious stats” don’t tell the whole story. I would say runs scored and runs allowed are pretty telling.

By Jose Cruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!

September 29, 2006 11:51 AM | Link to this

Since the Astros laid down for the Braves in late September ‘91 to keep the Dodgers from catching them, it’s only fair that Atlanta return the favor so we can run down the Cardinals.

By Jose Cruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!

September 29, 2006 11:51 AM | Link to this

Since the Astros laid down for the Braves in late September ‘91 to keep the Dodgers from catching them, it’s only fair that Atlanta return the favor so we can run down the Cardinals.

By Shaun

September 29, 2006 11:58 AM | Link to this

Tom A. Hawk,

Such anger and lack of common sense! Are you a radical Muslim or were you just picked on a lot growing up?

Anyway, I have not criticized ESPN for any anti-Braves bias, and I’m the one who posted that. I just think Rob Neyer is smart and entertaining and it was relevant to Braves baseball. Oh, and he’s said a lot of smart, good things about the Yankees and Mets, too, that I happen to agree with.

By rammerjammer

September 29, 2006 12:00 PM | Link to this

I’m all in favor of a speedy leadoff man, but the main reason the Braves and White Sox are staying home isn’t their leadoff men, it’s their pitching.

Braves rank 23rd and Sox are 21st. Those other teams…Padres, 2nd; Mets, 7th; L.A., 8th.

To borrow a line from a previous Presidential campaign, “It’s the pitching, stupid.”

By Tom A. Hawk

September 29, 2006 12:05 PM | Link to this

Sorry, Shaun, I completely forgot you’re always right. The Braves’ didn’t miss Furcal’s speed at the top of the order this season while they were losing 30 games by one run. Otis Nixon was never a factor whan he played for them, either. The Cardinals would have been champs without Lou Brock. No telling how many championships Maury Wills cost the Dodgers. Baserunners like Rickey Henderson, Ty Cobb, Jackie Robinson — all overrated. Cecil Fielder was better than any of them!

Keep your nose in those stat books, baby! The rest of us will be at the ballpark enjoying the game.

By Shaun

September 29, 2006 12:10 PM | Link to this

Drummerdad,

I see your point. But sometimes the Wild Card team is actually better than the division winner they are playing, so does it make sense to give them a really big disadvantage?

By Tom A. Hawk

September 29, 2006 12:24 PM | Link to this

Yeah, that’s right, guys. By saying that speed and baserunning ability would have brought the Braves more wins this year, I was also implying that their pitching has been no problem whatsoever.

Try to juggle more than one concept in your heads at once.

But I guess I REALLY AM the stupid one, wasting my day arguing with stat geeks, who can’t see the beautiful, complex, multi-facted game before them for the impenetrable forest of numbers they plant and cultivate until they’ve cut off the sunshine and choked the life right out of the greatest sport there is.

Later, losers.

By Shaun

September 29, 2006 12:31 PM | Link to this

Tom A. Hawk,

Speed obviously helps, but it’s also overrated by many. And speed has nothing to do with a team’s record in one-run games. Since you claim it does, why don’t you provide us some evidence?

The A’s have more one-run wins than anyone in baseball—31. Yet they are 22nd in triples, and 3rd from the bottom in steals.

A teams record in one-run games is mostly just luck. The evidence supports that, but you prefer to ignore evidence in favor of your assumption, so I don’t know if you agree.

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/ten-things-about-one-run-games/

And I try to always be right, mostly because I try to find some evidence before I make bold statements. Unlike you who just blindly believes speed has something to do with a team’s record in one-run games. You have no basis for that belief other than you think it’s true.

Oh, and I’ll take a bad record in a few one-run games in favor of a lot of blowout wins.

By Shaun

September 29, 2006 12:50 PM | Link to this

But I guess I REALLY AM the stupid one, wasting my day arguing with stat geeks, who can’t see the beautiful, complex, multi-facted game before them for the impenetrable forest of numbers they plant and cultivate until they’ve cut off the sunshine and choked the life right out of the greatest sport there is.

Tom A. Hawk,

Don’t be mad because evidence doesn’t back up your claim. It’s really convenient to name-call and criticize instead of coming back with some evidence for your point of view, isn’t it?

Let me break it down for anyone who missed it:

-You say the Braves needed speed, which would have helped them in 1-run games.

-I said speed has nothing to do with a team’s record in one-run games. I gave some examples and a link to an article which seems to back my point.

-You say you are wasting your time arguing with “stat geeks” who can’t see the beauty in the game.

By David O'Brien

September 29, 2006 12:50 PM | Link to this

NEW BLOG POSTED, if you fine people care to move this discourse on over…

By Shaun

September 29, 2006 12:54 PM | Link to this

Tom A. Hawk,

Babe Ruth is widely regarded as the best player in history by most “stat geeks” and most other baseball historians. He didn’t have much speed, did he? Ted Williams didn’t have much speed, did he?

Speed is great, but it’s not a necessity for creating runs.

By Bruce

September 29, 2006 12:58 PM | Link to this

I am a McCann fan…

Brian even says the right stuff about his pitchers, (both when they struggle and when they are on) and team mates and deflects praise with great humility. Seems like he has the same gift as Bobby Cox, which is probably a part of why his pitchers like to throw to him. Great year Brian… thanks!

By Head Coach

September 29, 2006 01:10 PM | Link to this

The new blog is experiencing technical dificulties……please stand bye !!!!

By Tom A. Hawk

September 29, 2006 01:12 PM | Link to this

What a wealth of evidence, Shaun! You base your argument on a one-season analysis? Your hero, Bill James, would be ashamed of you!

He’d also be ashamed of your statement that one-run wins boil down mostly to luck. Nothing is a product of luck in your geeky universe, Shaun.

Also, interestingly, I did find on the Web a 2002 analysis one one-run games by your idol. It covers fifty years. That’s FIFTY SEASONS, Shaun, a much more thorough study than your little Oakland A’s quick-hit. Let me quote a bit:

“The 50 teams which did well in one-run games had more stolen bases than average, more sacrifice bunts, more complete games, more saves, issued fewer walks, drew more walks and had a better ERA.”

So a lot of things go into one-run wins, according to your God, but what’s the first factor he mentions, Shaun? That’s right — steals. He also mention sac bunts and drawing walks. Things that teams with speed excel at. And things the Braves of 2006 didn’t.

So add a little speed to the order, and maybe the Braves do a little better in this department. Which is the only point I was making when you leaped before you looked in your desperation to prop yourself up at others’ expense.

Need any more evidence, geek?

By Salty55

September 29, 2006 01:16 PM | Link to this

DOB Not seeing it…must be my glasses!

By Drummerdad

September 29, 2006 01:20 PM | Link to this

Shaun,

It does seem unfair, but if the Wild Card team is that good, they’ll get it up and get the job done. Consider this: Since we lost the ‘96 World Series to the Yankees, 5 of the World Series teams have gotten there through the Wild Card. AND!!!, in the ‘02 series both teams ( Angels & Giants) got there through the Wild Card system. That’s why I contend that the current set up favors a team that stays close and can make a move at the end. It then penalizes the organizations that strive to do what we have done; JUST WIN BABY. It boils down to pop psychology for baseball. A Seligism that is in keeping with the twaddle brained thinking that stopped an Star Game and produced the current home field advantage plan. I bet you that Ray Fosse heard that decision and wanted to commit suicide. This just looks to me like the division winners are being penalized in favor of what’s supposed to be an also ran category.

Mr. Tom A, Hawk, We’ve missed the speed in recent times. Even when Furcal was here he didn’t do enough in my opinion. I miss the electricity of seeing an Otis Nixon, Deion Sanders, Marquis Grissom or Charles Thomas on the bases. Reminds me of a scene from the movie the Gladiator where Russell Crowe tells one of his generals, “on my signal, unleash hell.” I realize that I love most the guys on the team and I think that’s a southern predisposition. But during this offseason it’s time to make decisions with the head and not the heart.

By Tom A. Hawk

September 29, 2006 01:28 PM | Link to this

You’re right, Shaun. If Babe Ruth and Ted Williams were alive and in their primes and playing for the 2006 Braves, I wouldn’t be decrying the team’s lack of speed.

Your points are just so devastating!

By Larry

September 29, 2006 01:41 PM | Link to this

DOB - Given McCann’s accomplishments, along with Francouer and LaRoche, do you think the Braves will/should go ahead and sign them to 4 or 5 year contracts like some other teams have done with young stars?

By Shaun

September 29, 2006 01:44 PM | Link to this

Tom A Hawk,

Yes, things like steals and other things do help in one-run games. But the biggest factor is luck. Read the last paragraph of that piece.

By Tom A. Hawk

September 29, 2006 01:45 PM | Link to this

Things sure have gotten quiet on your end, Shaun. But what can you say, really?

Guess I’ll take a break before the changing of the blog.

Remember: Speed kills!

By Tom A. Hawk

September 29, 2006 01:52 PM | Link to this

Shaun at 12:31 p.m. Sept. 29: And speed has nothing to do with a team’s record in one-run games.

Shaun at 1:44 p.m. Sept. 29: Yes, things like steals and other things do help in one-run games.

That pretty much says it all about the futility of trying to have a discussion with Shaun!

By Bravo Nam

September 29, 2006 01:57 PM | Link to this

Tom A. Hawk and Shaun

Like you Shaun, I do enjoy reading what Rob Neyer has to say. But, even if you’ve never spouted off against ESPN, Tom still raises a valid point. Many bloggers have been particularly scathing of ESPN (rightly so), but people need to be consistent. Gotta take the good with the bad.

By Coloradobravesfan

September 29, 2006 01:58 PM | Link to this

Tom A. Hawk and Shaun,

having a winning record in one run games is great… But, what is the most important thing in having a winning record? If you win all 20 of your one run games and lose 90 by 3 or more that means your team stinks. one of you look at that 50 year history and find out what the teams with winning records had in common. I don’t have the answer… can one thing be more important than another.

Shaun, don’t post the link again, I just don’t get it…

By TennesseePaul

September 29, 2006 02:05 PM | Link to this

Drummerdad: You an I are on the same page. I hate the Wild Card. I think it does detract from the division winner. I haven’t caught up on the blog yet, so I don’t know what all was said. But I’m pretty sure I didn’t argue for the WC. I hate the d@mn thing. Always have.

By Lew

September 29, 2006 02:14 PM | Link to this

Shaun-Believe me I know one game doesn’t mean anything, but I’ve seen Tony Pena play more than one game. He may not be or may NEVER be an offensive force, but have you seen the Dude at short? He makes Edgar look like an amateur in his ability to go into the hole and even onto the grass in the middle infield. He gets to balls even Furcal couldn’t reach. By trading Edgar, you would free up, I believe, $6million. Spend that on a good ground ball pitcher and let Pena loose. Good pitching and good defense and who cares if he bats .265. He’s fast, too. Teach him to take pitches and walk more, just like the Cardss did with Ozzie Smith.

By Head Coach

September 29, 2006 02:19 PM | Link to this

speaking of ESPN , the Braves/Astros game which has been on the ESPN schedule all season will not be televised tonight due to the outright biased hatred of the Braves. Instead the Phillies/Marlins game will be televised by ESPN. This is just more proof of the E.specially S.tupid P.eople N.etworks outright bias against our Braves.

By Shaun

September 29, 2006 02:26 PM | Link to this

Coloradobravesfan,

Well said! Winning one-run games is a small factor. Great teams win by blowing out their opponents in a lot of games.

I can tell you what winning teams have in common: they either get on base a lot, keep their opponents off base a lot or both.

On-base percentage is the rate or percentage stat that correlates with winning better than any other. It’s not the only stat that matters or correlates with winning, but it is the stat that correlates better than all others.

http://www.geocities.com/cyrilmorong@sbcglobal.net/OPS.htm

By Georgetown Kid

September 29, 2006 02:34 PM | Link to this

TNPaul & DrummerDad,

I share your thoughts on the Wild Card, in that it penalizes regular season dominance in favor of late-season momentum.

I do not, however, think we should eliminate the Wild Card team. I like the idea of having the team with the best record having 4 home games in the first playoff series, with the Wild Card team only having 1 home game.

In the NFL, teams fight like hell to win “home field advantage” for the playoffs.

MLB should re-structure the playoffs to provide more of an incentive for teams to win “home field advantage,” and more of a benefit should be awarded to the teams with the best records.

By Lefty Gomez

September 29, 2006 02:36 PM | Link to this

I’d rather be lucky than good. Or Shaun.

By Bravo Nam

September 29, 2006 02:38 PM | Link to this

DOB Nice four piece series on the Braves to date.

Lew I thought Giles may make a little more than 5 mill in arbitration, but if that’s all it is, then discard that point of mine.

I will stick with Robert (JITB) though (yes, I did see your 1.19am post). I believe JS will make wholesale changes to the team- he has already shown his hand by going against his own principles- in recent years the Braves have fiddled up the edges and it hasn’t worked- I believe JS is going to get serious this offseason.

Head Coach You’ll have to explain yourself. What don’t you like about my suggestions? I am keeping my day job- that’s why I’m not Manager- but interested in your concerns.

I only mention three controversial points:

1). A no.2 starting pitcher and no.4. If we go with the same rotation we’ve had this year, we’ll miss the playoffs again.

2). Trades- Trade Hudson: He has been poor value over the past two seasons and I’m not confident he’ll rebound next year. While he is still tradeable, you get a little in return. The most important aspect of trading him though is saving 33 mill.

Trade Giles: Every season he’s out with injuries; we have guys who can step in and replace him; he’ll be good trade value.

Trade Ramirez: The Braves cannot go into the season with inconsistent pitchers. This guy is in that category. Promises so much, gives so little.

Trade Langerhans: Simply because he’ll be useful in a trade to get something the Braves need.

Trade Escobar: Ditto.

1. Free agency or trade- a set-up man for the 8th inning- there is not a current pitcher in our pen who I would feel comfortable with at this stage forming the bridge to Wickman. Shaun the stats man- I would be willing to bet that this year, the Braves lost as many games through blown saves in the 7th and 8th innings as they did in the 9th- is this correct?

By Antonio McNugget

September 29, 2006 02:38 PM | Link to this

Hey Scalp ‘em Braves

Dont count your chickens before they hatch. If the team beleives the hype half as much as the Aubarn fans obviously already do the only steamrolling youll have to worry about will be from the opponet.

Opelika Burger King doesnt have a Championship vote this year either.

By Bravo Nam

September 29, 2006 02:40 PM | Link to this

Good night bloggers- 2am in the Nam.

By Carlos Amato

September 29, 2006 02:52 PM | Link to this

About the Wild Card discussion. I don’t like it either, but I would go in a different direction. Exterminate the divisions. Get the 4 best records to the playoffs. Period.

How many times have we seen good teams finish with 90+ wins and not get into the playoffs, while 500. teams win weak divisions? Remember the Padres last year, going to the playoffs as a sub 500. team?

Like I said, get the 4 best teams in the playoffs in each league. No more stupid divisions…

By Shaun

September 29, 2006 02:53 PM | Link to this

Tom A Hawk,

I’m sure there is some correlation between speed and scoring, but there is a much stronger correlation between on-base percentage or slugging percentage and winning.

By rammerjammer

September 29, 2006 02:54 PM | Link to this

Shaun,

It sounds like folks get annoyed with your stats, but that’s what baseball is all about (stats, not annoyance).

Stay with it, and keep on the high road.

By Furman Bisher's Lies Sank The Saturday Evening Post

September 29, 2006 02:55 PM | Link to this

The Opelika Burger King National Championship will again be the only consolation Auburn has if they play any more games like last night, thus opening the door for an Ohio State-USC BCS title game. That No.2 ranking seems mighty tenuous.

Good move by Auburn not scheduling Georgia Tech this year, though.

By Shaun

September 29, 2006 03:05 PM | Link to this

rammerjammer,

Yes. And stats are the best evidence for baseball player performance. It’s not so much about stats and about getting to the truth—and the best way to do that is through evidence and common sense. Evidence in baseball is statistics.

By Patrick

September 29, 2006 03:14 PM | Link to this

Hey DOB,

Where’s the new blog???

By journalist jimmy smith

September 29, 2006 03:19 PM | Link to this

and where is this new blog? somewhere dob is blogging away and no one is seeing it. could this be the work of … nah, not likely. now, parts one and two of the three part series strike home. will part three address the toe issues? this journalist has turned the other cheek a few times lately and could not help notice that journalist has a rather handsome profile. may get lew to do a portrait for baby seal’s birthday. now, fish sauce … journalist will go to market for ingredients. is the red snapper yet on the way? overnight, right? now, baseball … oh, the humanity the season is almost over! this makes journalist jimmy smith sad. now, pie … why will no one talk pie? and the blogger who left because no one will talk baseball … he only talks football. go figure. now, bob eating shrimp with louie sauce at 5:00 AM . . did bob refrigerate long enough for the flavors to blend? bob may wake up with a surprise. good recipes from carolina lady lately. maybe diane lane would be here with jouranlsit now if she had carolina lady’s help with banana pudding. now, longest blog done by real journalist in some time … there have been some oyster-related deaths today in georgia. journalist asks, what is the origin of the oyster cracker?

By berigan

September 29, 2006 03:22 PM | Link to this

What Patrick said…New Blog, MIA…..

By Lew

September 29, 2006 03:23 PM | Link to this

Bravo-Dude, I still think JS will make few very selective moves this offseason. I just don’t see a wholesale dismantling of the team. I think Andruw will remain for two reasons-1. We will not be offered an equitable deal for him 2. JS will be unable to replace his performance at a lower price 3.(DOB math)We already have him. We would have to find a replacement and there’s enough to accomplish without that. I think Marcus will also remain because he is very tight with BC (this is a guy who WOULD give a home town discount) and he is still relatively cheap. He makes $3.75 mil now and I don’t see a raise over $5mil in arbitration. I also don’t think we have a starting ready 2nd baseman. I think Prado needs another year as a backup. I do believe that Tony Pena would be a decent replacement for Renteria, though (see above post). Now don’t get me wrong. I hate to think what this year would have looked like without Edgar. The Dude has shined. BUT…His range and arm are average. Pena would be a better defensive option. I think if Pena were to spend a bit of the offseason in a batting cage with Daddy McCann, learning that sweet swing his little boy has-well….. We definitely need another starter and a setup man-No doubt (apologies to Gwen Stephanie), but I think we will see a patented JS trade utilizing Salty, Brayan Pena, Thorman or Escobar in some combination. Knowing JS, he will get the other team to pay part of the salary, too. Now, I have a question (not an opinion). We saw John Thomson look pretty good in relief the other night. If he is truly healed and would sign for a million or so, would he perhaps be an option for setup? Pitching one inning at a clip at this point of his career, may appeal to him and present him with the perfect role. Any thoughts? Let’s not have our emotions rule the response.

By Tom A. Hawk

September 29, 2006 03:37 PM | Link to this

Stats, Shaun? Which stats? The stats you say show speed means nothing? Or the stats that show speed plays a role?

Or is it that unquantifiable factor called luck that you resorted to earlier?

Seems to me that if you, the ultimate numbers guy, have to cling to dumb luck to bolster your argument, then you’re conceding the game cannot simply be broken down into statistics and formulas. Then we’re all better off just watching the game and trusting our own common sense rather than listening to you and the other Bill Jamesophiles who like to be told what to think.

But don’t worry, Shaun — I suppose you’ll always have your little groupies like rammerjammer.

By journalist jimmy smith

September 29, 2006 03:39 PM | Link to this

this journalist agrees that tony pena, jr has a great glove and speed. daddy mccann may be just what is needed (francoeur, too … langy …) to bring out the best in tony pena, jr. can he rise above being a “p” player? now, remember belliard? hmmmm … and why are there no oysters in the oyster cracker? were the atlanta crackers named for the oyster cracker? questions to ponder.

By Charlene at the AJC

September 29, 2006 03:50 PM | Link to this

DOB, I got your new blog but was told not to post it yet. Did you really send a canned ham to Mrs. Chambers?

By Lew

September 29, 2006 03:53 PM | Link to this

Esteemed Journalist-Yes, the eternal oyster cracker quandry, indeed. Phiosophers and purveyors of contemporary thought have pondered the oyster cracker for years without success. Could they be named for poor, southern white people who live in the coastal south? Perhaps they were named such because they were served with oyster stew? Indeed, enquiring minds want to know. Now Daddy McCann-After watching Brian’s swing this past season, I would like very much for Daddy McCann to have a position as a roving hitting instructor for the Braves. Maybe even as a non-roving hitting instructor for the Braves. One would think he would have had influence on Francoeur, but maybe he too, didn’t want to halt his agressiveness.

By Lawdog

September 30, 2006 12:11 AM | Link to this

I can hardly wait for next year… knowing that the best GM in the game-John Schuerholz-will get the pieces we need and somehow keep the great nucleus we already have. McCann, Francoeur (who will only get more consistent)with Smoltz and Chuck James are fun to pull for. And we are likely in the twilight of the old wizards, Bobby Cox and John Schuerholz. You know they’re gonna wanna go out on top. Look for a World Series in Atlanta next year!