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DEL.ICIO.USLaRoche hanging with impressive crowd
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
He was booed by the home fans after his admittedly bone-headed error in May, but would you look at Adam LaRoche now?
No, really. Take a close look _ not at the questionable red-tinged goatee or the often-expressionless demeanor. The production, man. The stats. Do the vast majority of Braves fans realize just how good LaRoche has been since late June? How good he is, period?
The Braves, after wrapping things up tonight with the Giants, go to Philadelphia for a crucial four-game (if weather permits) series that features arguably the hottest two hitters in the NL, Ryan Howard and … Adam LaRoche? Yes, LaRoche.
How hot has he been? Hot enough to move into consideration for Braves MVP this season, if he continues his current scorching run.
If I had to vote now, I’d still vote Brian McCann, who is hitting .342 with 16 homers and nearly .400 OBP in his first full season while playing the most demanding position on the diamond.
But … LaRoche and John Smoltz would have to be close to McCann, and both are gaining ground fast.
Everyone knows what Smoltz has done _ 8-1 with 2.72 ERA in past 12 starts, 6-0 with 51 strikeouts and three walks in past six home starts, referred to the GM as “homeboy upstairs” _ but do folks realize just how torrid a surge LaRoche is having?
After his 4-for-4 with three doubles, a triple and three RBIs Thursday vs. San Francisco, the amiable outdoorsman is hitting .355 with 35 extra-base hits, 16 homers and an eye-popping .727 slugging percentage in his past 52 games, with 40 RBIs in that stretch despite hitting seventh or eighth much of the time.
He leads the Braves in virtually every major offensive category since the All-Star break, including average (.368), homers (14), RBIs (38), OBP (.439) and slugging (.797).
That post-break slugging percentage, by the way, is higher than surging Mets Carlos Beltran (.686) and Carlos Delgado (.681), higher than Florida’s Miguel Cabrera (.614) or St. Louis Albert Pujols (.611), higher even than Philadelphia’s Ryan Howard (.731), who’s hit .329 with 20 homers since the break.
LaRoche has been so hot since June 24, he’s moved into the NL’s top 10 in OPS (on base-plus-slugging percentage), which is the first stat that many scouts and front-office types look at first these days, and which your more astute observers look at when they’re making out their league MVP balloting.
LaRoche, the guy who hit like crazy on the road and stunk at home for much of the season, has his batting average up to .290 now and, most impressively, he’s climbed to eighth in the NL in OPS at .951 (.365 OBP and .586 slugging).
Now, I’m not math genius, as we all know (no comments from the peanut gallery), but that adds up to one helluva season. Consider the two names behind LaRoche’s in the OPS top 10: Matt Holliday and Jason Bay.
And just consider the only seven ahead of him: 1. Albert Pujols 1.088, 2. Lance Berkman 1.025, 3. Carlos Beltran 1.023, 4. Ryan Howard 1.020, 5. Miguel Cabrera 1.010, 6. Chipper Jones .991, 7. Alfonso Soriano .974.
Folks, that’s a virtual who’s who of past NL MVPs and/or current MVP candidates.
LaRoche has made it impossible for all but the most stubborn Braves fans to not appreciate his work. I might suggest if you still think he should be traded, a guy putting up those numbers while playing exceptional defense and making $420,000 (he’ll be around $2-2.5 mill next year), then you probably don’t have the best interests of the team in mind, but rather a personal dislike for LaRoche.
You might want to get over that, because he’s not leaving. Not this winter. And before anyone says, “Yeah, but he’s a cancer in the clubhouse with that laziness” or some other such misinformed opinion that I’ve heard from callers to the Braves radio postgame show, sorry, but that couldn’t be more incorrect.
Simply put, LaRoche is perhaps one of the three or four most popular players among his teammates and coaches. He has no enemies in the clubhouse, he works hard, and, though I realize this might not come across in interviews, he takes losses as hard or harder than anyone on the team. Anyone.
Andruw Jones said two nights ago that LaRoche has been the biggest reason for the Braves’ still being in the wild-card race, his hot bat and production from the bottom of the lineup, which Jones says still surprises a lot of opponents.
OK, moving on….
Snowball’s Chance, what did you think of the movie Oldboy? Did I oversell it or was it as good as I said it was? I mean, come on, it’s a great movie, no?
Grinch, weren’t you around when we discussed this a while back? I recommended _ strongly recommended _ this Korean movie Oldboy from a few years ago, said it was better than most Tarantino films, etc., with similar violence but an intensity that was just staggering, great acting, and stunning imagery including a couple of not-for-the-squeamish scenes that you won’t soon forget.
Today’s music recommendation, and it’s one I’m pleased to give: Bob Dylan’s “Modern Times,” which just hit stores Tuesday. Folks, it’s outstanding. This ongoing late-career resurgence by the 65-year-old legend is so cool, for me (as Bobby would say, if he were a Dylan fan, which I’m fairly certain he’s not). That’s three stellar CDs in a row for the bard from Minnesota, the great Mr. Zimmerman.
Any Dylan-phile will already have bought it, I realize. But I’m just trying to get some former Dylan fans who might have strayed, or some younger ones who might not have been turned on to him. Get it. Get it now. There’s no greater songwriter alive, still.
Comments
By Zimmerman
August 31, 2006 02:24 PM | Link to this
DOB: We don’t need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.
By 22oz
August 31, 2006 02:35 PM | Link to this
DOB, i think you and LaRoche should get a hotel room, or join LaRoche’s ladies. Seriously though, you are absolutely correct. If Bobby wasn’t in love with Francouer, LaRoche might be batting sixth, where he deserves to be. But i guess its working out for now, since we’re winning, so i won’t complain much.
By geauxbraves2000
August 31, 2006 02:36 PM | Link to this
DOB, if you would, do me a favor. If you happen to notice BJ’s name on the lineup card starting at 1st base, not because LaRoche is getting a day off, but for the reason of beginning the platoon again, would you sneak into the dugout and destroy that card?
I just have a feeling, no matter how hot LaRoche is, I just know BC is going to start the platoon again. Just know it. I hope I’m wrong.
Okay Braves, js on the mound tonight, light up the bats, stay on your defensive toes, and let’s get a sweep and 5 in a row.
Geaux Braves!!
By ncscoots
August 31, 2006 02:37 PM | Link to this
In May, while defending Adam in the midst of another scorching LaRoche-bashing-filled blog, I said “… really thought this would be a breakout year for the guy, though it looks as if he’ll be short of that expectation…” or words close to that anyway. I love being wrong about being wrong, and it couldn’t happen to a better guy, after all the abuse he took in this blog during the spring.
By ncscoots
August 31, 2006 02:42 PM | Link to this
22oz, actually the guy should be hitting fifth, where he started the season, but no complaint from me about McCann hitting there instead. Not enough reason to tinker, and sandwiching Francouer between the two makes perfect sense, good OBP in front, and protection behind. You think Jeff gets more pitches to hit with the eight hitter behind him, or a 30+ homer guy?
By Jay W
August 31, 2006 02:44 PM | Link to this
Man, that LaRoche can flat-out rake!
By TennesseePaul
August 31, 2006 02:45 PM | Link to this
I posted this on the other blog before I saw that a new one was up. So here it is again.
Based on the current team record, not on recent success or failure, here is the break down of the remaining schedules for the teams in the wild card race within 4 games.
The Phillies 0. The Reds 6. The Braves and Giants 12. Houston 19. Florida 20.
Now, when looking at the recent records…
Then the order goes like this: Giants 9. Padres 13. Braves 18. Florida and Arizona 20. Houston and the Reds 22. The Phillies 23.
So the Giants are the ones with the easiest schedule all around. They should be hitting some sub .500 teams in a rut. The Phillies are hitting a ton of hot teams. The Braves schedule is pretty even. They have their work cut out for them. One game at a time Bravos. Win tonight. Worry about tomorrow, tomorrow.
By 22oz
August 31, 2006 02:51 PM | Link to this
The question is though: if LaRoche hit a home run and fell down going to first base, would he know it?
By SaltyDog55
August 31, 2006 02:51 PM | Link to this
ncscoots You said: You think Jeff gets more pitches to hit with the eight hitter behind him, or a 30+ homer guy? Bingo you nailed it. Sometimes this game’s not that hard to understand!
By Carolina Lady
August 31, 2006 02:54 PM | Link to this
I’m so happy for Adam! He took an incredible amount of heat earlier and he has completely vindicated himself! Three cheers for you, Adam! I’ve been in his corner (for personal reasons) since the beginning and I can fully understand how he must feel right now. Mama LaRoche, I’ve got happy tears for you!
By ncscoots
August 31, 2006 02:56 PM | Link to this
Dog, ready to chew and maul on some Florida Atlantic butt this weekend? Man, who SCHEDULES this stuff??? Watch out for us this year, buddy, speed kills. Assuming Proctor can throw it as far as a good flag QB, we’ll be nasty. Correction, we’ll FAST and nasty.
By DonCoburleone
August 31, 2006 02:57 PM | Link to this
LaRoche is going to be making over $2 mil next year? TRADE HIM!!! His stock is never going to be higher!!!
By TheSouthernJackAss
August 31, 2006 02:58 PM | Link to this
GO TIGERS!!!…
By Madison
August 31, 2006 02:58 PM | Link to this
DOB, Devine has been called up today,who goes down?
By Brad
August 31, 2006 03:00 PM | Link to this
Good for Adam….a lot of guys after that mistake woulda gone downhill fast, but he didn’t give up no matter how the fans felt about him…you have to admire a guy who went through that and came back better then ever. Let’s hope he and the Braves can keep up this run.
By TennesseePaul
August 31, 2006 03:03 PM | Link to this
DOB: Great post. LaRoche has really out done himself. Now, I’d like to see him keep this up for the rest of his career and be a loyal Braves man. It’s about time we’ve had a threat at first base.
GO BRAVES
By knowitall
August 31, 2006 03:06 PM | Link to this
Actually, it seems like LaRoche’s hitting surge started around the time he was moved down in the batting order. Maybe someone can prove me wrong but the reason he was moved down was because he was struggling. Maybe he was putting too much pressure on himself in the 5th spot. Who knows. I just hope he keeps up his torrid hitting and carry us right on into the playoffs.
By rammerjammer
August 31, 2006 03:14 PM | Link to this
Devine’s line at AA Mississippi: 6 games, 11 innings, 2 hits, 1 run (a HR), 4 walks and 20 Ks, with a 0.82 ERA. I’d say he’s earned a trip to Atlanta. He went through h_ last season, and it’d be great if he had some success this time.
By ncscoots
August 31, 2006 03:15 PM | Link to this
totally off point, but didn’t the Braves make a play for Matt Holliday in the offseason? Part of a package with a pitcher, something like that?
By journalist jimmy smith
August 31, 2006 03:19 PM | Link to this
adam laroche is not what he seems. more to this story later - (known as a teaser in the jounalism business.
carolina lady, close to the ocean or close to the river? or to both? can you see the surf? are the red eared sliders safe?
and this infatution with virginia madsen - dob, do you realize how much ice cream she eats? she will be huge in a few years - though right now it is a pretty nice package (wink, wink).
now, movie review - invincible, a football movie. a philadelphia bartender gets a try-out for the eagles and makes the team. had there been a goose in the theater it would have been more entertaining.
now, hk, we need to see some graphs. the braves are coming back to life.
By Shaun Payne
August 31, 2006 03:21 PM | Link to this
LaRoche may be the most underrated Brave, but the offense in general is underrated because they haven’t been winning. All things considered, the Braves have one of the two or three best offenses in the NL.
By Andy
August 31, 2006 03:21 PM | Link to this
Oldboy is one on my favoriate films—glad to see others dig it as well—-I think they are making an american verson of it—it will suck-probaly have nick cage or something silly like that. The last couple months each coming up series is “BIG”—well after tonights game it is really big. The braves have rougly a month left and the next 7 games are with the phils and mets. I am sad the braves did not beat up on the teams they could have—losing 2 of 3 from pit. amazing. It could all turn around though….starting in philly. Or it will be a good month to look to next year. Is yates a free agent at the end of the year?
By Calvin
August 31, 2006 03:23 PM | Link to this
Devine has been called up? Really?
By JG
August 31, 2006 03:24 PM | Link to this
Knowitall,
Laroche .236 9hr 23rbi (140 AB) at #5. .321 14-41 (196 AB) at #7.
By Lew
August 31, 2006 03:25 PM | Link to this
My copy of Chop Talk came today and there was an interview with LaRoche. He is now on Ritalin for his ADD. It seems to correspond to his recent hot streak. Apparently Craig Biggio and Derek Lowe are also medicated for the same condition and both recommended he see a Dr. about it. The results are overwhelming.
By Snowball's Chance
August 31, 2006 03:26 PM | Link to this
I was checking Adam’s stats against Pujol’s yesterday and he matches up well without mentioning salaries. I checked them earlier in the season and must have misread Pujol’s. He is a good fielder too. Adam is graceful. At bat and in the field. He makes things look easy. Much like Andruw. Remember the criticism of Andruw early in his career. That said we are going to have to accept some Laroche moments. Hopefully Bobby can stay ahead of those moments and head them off.
DOB. Olboy is a great movie. It reminds me of an old joke. Sex is revolting,dirty and disgusting…especially if you are doing it right. I wish I spoke Korean. There had to be some good dialog. The fight scenes were almost believable. None of the overdone flying fights. And as I said last night there are no squid scenes. That was an octopus and it sure looked alive.
By AZBravoFan
August 31, 2006 03:28 PM | Link to this
Ryan Howard’s stock is never going to be higher either. Does that mean the Phils should trade him too? And he’s not even as good a fielder as LaRoche.
By David -ATL
August 31, 2006 03:31 PM | Link to this
Yes! Devine has been recalled,Oldboy is a hell of a flick,and Highway 61 revisted is Dylan’s best work.
DOB, check to see who was sent down to make room for Devine? Thanks
By DonCoburleone
August 31, 2006 03:33 PM | Link to this
Even after these 4 straight wins at home, the Braves are still under .500 at the “friendly” confines… What the hell happened this year? I mean, a couple games under .500 on the road is actually pretty good, but that’s assuming you’re taking care of business at home (like .650 win %).
By Lew
August 31, 2006 03:33 PM | Link to this
Johnny Winter’s cover of Hwy.61 is great, too.
By Rodger
August 31, 2006 03:33 PM | Link to this
Shaun, I think the offense is underrated because they are so inconsistent. They either score 7-10 runs or 0-2. And with our pitching, can’t win many of those low scoring games.
Speaking of pitching and low scoring, how about Maddux? Why in the ## couldn’t we pick him up?
By Snowball's Chance
August 31, 2006 03:34 PM | Link to this
I believe Ritalin is similar to diet pills. Maybe those who miss their greenies can get a prescription.
By R.E.H.
August 31, 2006 03:36 PM | Link to this
Someone please explain why Andrew is batting cleanup instead of Brian, I mean a guy that is hitting practically .350 all season long and hits weel with men on. Andrew for all of his many talents doesn’t hit well with men on and if you have a man at first with less than two out you just know he’s hitting into a double play. He doesn’t even run out ground balls any more.
By Phat Bat Boy
August 31, 2006 03:36 PM | Link to this
Then trade Thorman. But for goodness sake, let’s not have a gaping hole at lead-off and/or the bullpen and have two power hitting, left-handed first basemen on the roster (along with 17 middle infielders). In the past, we’ve been trading our pitchers (which we now need) and our back-up third basemen (which we will surely need again).
Hey DOB, any chance we see Stockman in September, is he close to being physically ready to pitch or will he have to wait until Spring Training?
By Carolina Lady
August 31, 2006 03:36 PM | Link to this
jjs, I’m on the mainland about a mile from the ocean. Boy-oh-boy is it ever pouring! According to the NWS, radar estimates indicate that New Hanover and northern Brunswick counties have had between 5 - 6 inches of rain already. Can you say flooding?? Many roads have been under water all afternoon and the schools have had a terrible time trying to get the kids home. Yeah, I think the weather people were right when they predicted we’d get a foot or more of rain. I checked my road while ago and parts of it are under several feet of water, so I couldn’t get out to the highway even if I wanted to. (Don’t need to.)
Weatherbug just beeped with an update: Doppler radar indicates that rain is falling steadily at the rate of 2” per hour. Anybody got any gopherwood??
Sure hope we keep power ‘cause, amongst many reasons, I want to see the game tonight! :-))
By knowitall
August 31, 2006 03:37 PM | Link to this
Thanks JG. Maybe LaRoche has a complex about the #5 spot the same way Giles had a complex about leading off.
By Lew
August 31, 2006 03:37 PM | Link to this
Hey Snowball- I think if there is a medical condition that requires the medication, then it is cool. Those little white crosses did get many through college finals, though.
By David -ATL
August 31, 2006 03:40 PM | Link to this
Yeah, Lew the “albino” does Hwy 61 justice also.Both versions are great.
By Snowball's Chance
August 31, 2006 03:42 PM | Link to this
Lew I can see it on ESPN’s Outside lines -Contagious ADHD sweeps MLB. I am not naming names but a few players could easily get diet pills prescribed.
By kreedham
August 31, 2006 03:44 PM | Link to this
First I’m getting old and don’t remember things but I was wondering about a player whose name escapes me. Pretty good reliever, left the game for a short time and ended up in the minors, living in a motorhome just outside of the field. Always had a bit of a reputation as being “eccentric. If I remember correctly he got back to the bigs then out of the blue left the team never to be heard from again. I think it was just last year. If you could remind me of the name and where is he now?
DOB, tommorrow is 9/1. Any indication who might be called up?
DOB, Just got the new Neil Young, Living with War! I’m sure many won’t buy it because of the message but if you won’t let it bother you it’s a damn good record. He and Van Morrison are the only two left that I really want to see but haven’t yet!
By Snowball's Chance
August 31, 2006 03:44 PM | Link to this
And Hendrix’s All along the Watchtower.
By ncscoots
August 31, 2006 03:46 PM | Link to this
don’t think hitting fifth was the problem for Adam, he just couldn’t make enough contact in April. I don’t remember what he hit in April, but I know it was horrendous. He actually started to hit in May, had an off June (along with everybody else on the squad), and then started spankin’ it. McCann was moved to the five hole more for the fact that he was hitting about .800 or so than Adam’s struggles, I think. Anyway, I certainly don’t think LaRoche will have any trouble in the five hole next year, at least from a mental standpoint.
By Snowball's Chance
August 31, 2006 03:48 PM | Link to this
kreedham,, For best results set amp to amphitheater and turn it up REAL LOUD.
By David -ATL
August 31, 2006 03:48 PM | Link to this
kreedham, the guy you are trying to remember is Rod (Shooter)Beck. Don’t know where he is now.
By Lew
August 31, 2006 03:49 PM | Link to this
Snowball-You can probably get by with much if you can get the medical community to go along. We all hear about steroids, but cortisone is a steroid and is used frequently. I think it’s all in the application. Another good Dylan cover is Father of Night, Father of Day by Manfred Mann’s Earth Band. One of the best live bands I ever saw. Caught them at the Tech Coliseum with BOC and at the Fox with Souther, Hillman Furay Band.
By Jamie
August 31, 2006 03:49 PM | Link to this
You may recall LaLoaf made a comment about 6 weeks ago in which he said he didnt want the fans who’d booed him earlier in the year to rally behind him when he’s hot. Not only was that one of the more arrogant things I’ve heard anyone wearing a tomahawk ever say, but I’ve been more than compliant with his request. He’s the only Brave I dont appplaud during pre-game intros. I don’t have to like the guy’s style of play just because he’s gone .290, 27, etc. He says some of the goofiest things I’ve ever heard and does some of the dumbest things I’ve ever seen…and he’s done both fairly consistently. I disagree with O’Brien as far as that somehow maks me less interested in the welfare of the team. Just because a guy puts up numbers doesnt mean that I have to root for him. And while I realize that he may not be a “cancer”, he’s certainly not anyone that I’d want my son to emualate as far as the way he plays the game. Yes he’s putting up nice numbers, but he’s still not someone I enjoy watching. Thats my personal opnion. And I know I’m not alone in it.
By ncscoots
August 31, 2006 03:50 PM | Link to this
CLady, just getting a little breeze and drizzly (though constant) rain here in the Sandhills. Hunker down, keep the jon boat close, and for gosh sakes ALWAYS make sure you have a generator handy during baseball season! :-)
By Snowball's Chance
August 31, 2006 03:54 PM | Link to this
Lew I would have like to see Souther, Hillman Furay Band. I just missed Poco at one festival in the sixties. Richie Furay doesn’t get enough credit for helping create country rock. I can hear Kind Woman in my head now. Chris Hillman has something new where he does Eight Miles High acoustically.
By ncscoots
August 31, 2006 03:54 PM | Link to this
Jamie, I’m not asking this to be snarkey, but what is it about the way LaRoche plays the game that you don’t care for?
By Carolina Lady
August 31, 2006 03:56 PM | Link to this
Hey, Scoots! Don’t have a generator, but jjs told me I should load the freezer with ice cream so we’d have something cool to eat if the power went out. Such brilliance!!
Y’all ought to be getting more rain shortly. Between that stalled front and this storm, I kinda think the draught will be pretty much over, don’t you?? The thing keeps getting stronger; I just want it to come onshore and get it over with. Stay safe up there, huh??
By Lew
August 31, 2006 03:58 PM | Link to this
Snowball-When I lived in St.Pete, I got to hear Roger McGuinn do 8Miles High a couple of times. The Byrds were definitely one of the greats. Didn’t they do a wicked version of Dylan’s My Back Pages?
By ncscoots
August 31, 2006 04:00 PM | Link to this
CL, that admonition from jjs is no more bizarre than some of the ones I’ve heard for bad weather prep. I lived through a pretty bad hurricane in Mobile years ago, in my young and stupid days, and you should have seen some of the things my buddies and I stocked up on! Ice cream is the height of sanity compared to some of our choices…
By Snowball's Chance
August 31, 2006 04:02 PM | Link to this
Eight Miles High is really fun to play.
By Dog the Bounty Hunter
August 31, 2006 04:03 PM | Link to this
woo freakin hoo
By beachcomber
August 31, 2006 04:06 PM | Link to this
DOB - Nice piece on Adam. Part of his incredile resurgance is how well he’s handling lefties (McCann, too). As you pointed out, tough to pick our MVP out of those two and #29. There is no runaway candidate for Cy Young, a few more gems like his last game and JS (no the HB) has to be in the thick of things.
By Anyone in ATL
August 31, 2006 04:07 PM | Link to this
What’s the chances tonight’s game will be rained out? It would be nice if JS could get 2 of the 7 starts vs PHI/NYM.
By Snowball's Chance
August 31, 2006 04:09 PM | Link to this
Gotta go eat. No peanut butter pie. There is some Bananna cream, though. Maybe some Chocolate Kahlua sauce on top.
By beachcomber
August 31, 2006 04:10 PM | Link to this
Correction - should read (not the HB) in last post. I used to be able to type!
By kreedham
August 31, 2006 04:11 PM | Link to this
Thanks David for the answer. It would have come to me eventually.
Snowball I said I was forgetful not deaf! I also just got Stephen Stills Manassas. Chris Hillman is in the band.
By SaltyDog55
August 31, 2006 04:29 PM | Link to this
ncscoots Sorry for delay. Yes, I want to see the Tigers click early and often; the next two weeks are going to be incredible (BC, FSU). I’m restraining my enthusiasm, but if they take those two, I’ll come undone! If the Braves can keep it going as well, September will be unbelievable.
BTW…Mobile…Frederick? Born in LA…waaay back!
Sorry, all…we’ll get back on topic!
By The Grinch
August 31, 2006 04:32 PM | Link to this
CL, did you say you were in the NE part of NC? I just looked at the projected path and it looks like it’s headed right toward you. Hope you have plenty of ice cream! How can you not have a generator? All sports fans must have a generator! If the power goes out and there is no generator, than people are forced to do things like read, or write, or get to know the family again, play games or even think unaccompanied! Do not allow this situation happen to you…
By Lew
August 31, 2006 04:35 PM | Link to this
Grinch-Are you mobile yet?
By SaltyDog55
August 31, 2006 04:36 PM | Link to this
Grinch CLady’s in Wilmington, I believe.
By Zerevon
August 31, 2006 04:40 PM | Link to this
O’Brien you are a great beat writer, do you think LaRoach is going to continue his great work in the future? Is he the Braves permanent first baseman?
By John
August 31, 2006 04:42 PM | Link to this
Dave it is about time someone took a look at the numbers on LaRoche and realized he is a very good if not great firstbasemen out there and one of the best when you take salary into account. A further breakdown of the numbers would show you that he has been every bit as productive as Andruw this season and we all know who the fans would react to even hinting at trading Jones.
By Carolina Lady
August 31, 2006 04:44 PM | Link to this
Grinch, I’m in the SOUTHeast part of NC (New Hanover Co). Yep, it is forecast to come in right at the state line (Brunswick Co) which brings the right-hand quadrant into New Hanover and Pender counties. Been listening to some of the local condition reports and flooding is widespread and most roads, including major thoroughfares are closed due to flooding. Rain has lightened up for a short time, must be between feeder bands.
I’ve just never gotten a generator. Seems like there is always something else that needs that $500 or whatever they are nowsdays. Usually power is back on within 3 - 5 days, except Fran, when it was close to 3 weeks. (That was getting OLD!!) I was never so glad to see the repair crews (from Florida Power & Light) in my entire life!! They worked around the clock for weeks after that one.
If the wind here does get up to 70 or whatever it is now, we may well lose power but the power crews here are expert at handling it (lots of practice!) and are well-prepared with stockpiles of equipment and supplies that stay in place and are ready.
I just want to see the game!!! :-)))
By The Grinch
August 31, 2006 04:49 PM | Link to this
Sorry, Lew; you can still only access my show from a TV. Seriously, though; I’m better. Still some pain and stiffness, but marked improvement. Thanks for asking. Wilmington? That’s right up the road from Cape Fear. I hope the storm doesn’t deposit the boat that DeNiro (or Mitchum) was chained to on your front lawn.
By mets rule
August 31, 2006 04:50 PM | Link to this
BA-BYE to the playoff hopes of the most overrated sports franchises in sports history- definition of loser: when a team makes the playoffs for 14 consecutive seasons and walks away with 1 pitiful World Series ring…sorry..I call it the way I see it folks!!!
By Lew
August 31, 2006 04:53 PM | Link to this
Grinch-That’s one movie where both versions were good. At least your lack of mobility may keep self destructive behavior at bay for a while. Ma’am-do you have swim fins and wet suit waiting by the door. Can Mom swim?
By The Grinch
August 31, 2006 04:54 PM | Link to this
You don’t have to buy a new one, silly person. Surely in a place where power goes out so often a neighbor or two has an old one they would trade you for a nice birdhouse or three? However, I shouldn’t talk because I don’t have one, either. I have candles and books, and the liquor cabinet never spoils…:-)
By BB
August 31, 2006 04:58 PM | Link to this
Hey mets rule, would the Braves be better if they only occasionally made the playoffs, and had last won the WS 20 years ago?
By The Grinch
August 31, 2006 04:58 PM | Link to this
True, Lew, though I have to give the nod to the old one by virtue of NOT having Nick Nolte. Is there another modern actor who relies more heavily on a cigarette to act for him? Sorry, but I hate devices. Especially at that salary level. CL, looks like Baby Seal’s trip was ill-timed by a few weeks. What better of a flotation device/aquatic navigator could one ask for?
By Carolina Lady
August 31, 2006 05:01 PM | Link to this
Grinch, if someone has an old generator for sale here, you can bet that it’ll blow up within an hour of starting it! :-))) Sure wish I could trade one out.
This IS Cape Fear. The point of land that bears that name is the bottom point of the county. The Cape Fear River forms most of the western boundary of the county, the Altantic Ocean the eastern. Mitchum’s boat sank. Dunno about the other one.
Your back better, my friend? You have my full sympathy!
I’m getting ‘looks’ so I had better go get supper on the table! :-))
Later!
By Lew
August 31, 2006 05:02 PM | Link to this
Grinch-True, but DeNiro and Juliette Lewis overrode Nolte’s cigarette real well. Mitchum was pretty damn intense, though, and Gregory Peck was always good-In both movies, too.
By Rodger
August 31, 2006 05:05 PM | Link to this
What the envious New York fools fail to understand is the accomplishment of winning THE MOST SERIES OVER 162 GAMES.
Even the best teams lose a few series over the course of a long season. Unfortunately, several of ours have come in the playoffs. However, most teams didn’t win enough of those series to even get to that point. Appreciate that the better team wins the most series-this year, it happens to be the Mets. For an unprecedented 14 years in a row, though, it was the one and only, hate-em-cause-you-have-to, Atlanta Braves! woooo!
By Mets Blow
August 31, 2006 05:06 PM | Link to this
BY-BYE to the most over rated sports team in NY. 0-19 in the last 19 seasons. Absolutely pathetic.
By journalist jimmy smith
August 31, 2006 05:07 PM | Link to this
carolina lady, journalist jimmy smith is a prudent person. the ice cream in the freezer will serve you well should you lose power and suffer from the heat. journalist has other useful tips: for instance, buy more stamps than you need. if the price of postage goes up it is good to have planty of stamps still on hand at the old price. this is called economy. now, is carolina lady close to the basin of the cape fear?
By Willie Raper
August 31, 2006 05:07 PM | Link to this
I bet LaRoche and Ryan Howard are gaye lovers. That is why they are both so hot right now.
By Bionic Jive
August 31, 2006 05:08 PM | Link to this
Good for Laroche, though his recent success will cause everyone else to start taking the same ADHD medication, leading to it being placed on the banned substance list, causing a Congressional hearing to be convened on the abuse of such stimulants, etc.
Hey, Mets-Rule: I believe the Braves have the same number of WS titles as the Mets in the past 20 years. And since it should have been Mike Scott’s Astros playing the Sox in ‘86, count your blessings on that one, too.
By TennesseePaul
August 31, 2006 05:08 PM | Link to this
Feeling good about the game tonight. Here’s to hoping Smoltz can do it again.
Let’s get those bats in gear tonight. Make sure there is no way Smoltz gets the L or the ND.
GO BRAVES
By Lew
August 31, 2006 05:11 PM | Link to this
Let’s see-The record for the most consecutive Division Titles or The record for the Most Losses ever in a season. Gee, whcih one would you rather have? Keep in mind that half of the Mets WS Titles are still referred to as a Miracle. The other one a result of a botched ground ball by the other team. Bragging rights for sure.
By mets rule
August 31, 2006 05:14 PM | Link to this
To be honest- it’s better to have my heart broken a couple of time then to have it broken 13 out 14 times- let’s analyze this… best pitching staff..and of course pitching wins championships, veteran good players and you can walk away from is 1 victory..come on folks let’s get real, the Braves are disappointments..let’s call it the way we see it
By The Grinch
August 31, 2006 05:17 PM | Link to this
Juliette Lewis….mmmmm….
By BB
August 31, 2006 05:18 PM | Link to this
yes the Braves have had some playoff disappointments, but it sure has been great watching a winning team each season for 14 years. The Mets have stunk more often than not, and often with very talented teams. If the Braves are to be considered disappointments, the Mets must be considered, well, no one really ever considers them.
By journalist jimmy smith
August 31, 2006 05:18 PM | Link to this
lew, look at the names … it is stinky. do not be lured into stinky’s trap.
By Lew
August 31, 2006 05:18 PM | Link to this
A couple of times. From all we’ve heard this year from bitter Mets fans, I’m sure the heartbreak total is more like 15 straight years. Go sing your praises to Mets fans. They might actually care.
By The Grinch
August 31, 2006 05:20 PM | Link to this
Mets Rule, that sort of logic is kind of like “I’d rather have an ugly girlfriend, that way I don’t have to worry about anyone hitting on her.” Geez, dude. Just calling it like I see it.
By Lew
August 31, 2006 05:20 PM | Link to this
Journailst Jimmy-I know who it is. Doesn’t make them any less an a$$. I just love letting him prove how low he is. He says it himself better than anyone else could. No pie for him.
By The Grinch
August 31, 2006 05:22 PM | Link to this
Dang, you’re right, Jimmy. This guy gets around more than Paris Hilton.
By geauxbraves2000
August 31, 2006 05:23 PM | Link to this
It doesn’t really matter what anyone else thinks, it’s been a great run. I would’ve loved to see more WS wins, but it just didn’t happen. So be it. I am a true Braves fan and I am proud of the one WS Championship and I am proud of this run.
Geaux Braves!!
By journalist jimmy smtih
August 31, 2006 05:24 PM | Link to this
grinch, has the poultice arrived? it will be best if virginia madsen or perhaps diane lane can apply it. this should help you feel better fast. of course, the odor will repel the women and kill small livestock. human hair also falls out.
By Lew
August 31, 2006 05:26 PM | Link to this
Grinch-It’s called Pretzel Logi-just like the old Steely Dan album. Twisted, convulted and so turned in on itself, that it makes no sense. But then again, look who we’re dealing with.
By Chop Chop
August 31, 2006 05:26 PM | Link to this
In some ways, I think the few boneheaded plays LaRoche has made this year have really helped him mature as a player. Boos hurt guys who care. It’s obvious that the guy cares and wants to do his best. That’s all any fan can ask. If he screws up, he doesn’t let the slings and arrows destroy him. The Braves need more guys like that.
By Lew
August 31, 2006 05:29 PM | Link to this
Journalist Jimmy-Could you, perhaps use this poultice to drive away the Yaks and Musk Oxen who are in Cordele due to the melting Glaciers? Of course, if they left Cordele, where would they go? Maybe we could move them to NY with the rest of the lower life forms.
By JG
August 31, 2006 05:30 PM | Link to this
Agreed. It has and will continue to be a great run. And don’t hate too much on the Mets. They’re incompetencies are one reason we have 14 straight titles. They’ve had some high-priced talent in the past but we could all breathe easy in the Spring cause after all, they’re the Mets. Could you imagine if that talent would’ve been spread throught the NL East… or put in Jimmy Leyland’s hands?!! So here’s to the Mets… may Chipper thank you if/when he’s enshrined.
By The Grinch
August 31, 2006 05:30 PM | Link to this
I will send one or the other (but not both; hoolywood starlets must not be allowed to talk to one another alone) to the post office, post haste. I’m fresh out of livestock, thank god (except for some hamburger meat in the fridge); does the odor repel mosquitos? The hair thing may actually be a blessing; Diane’s been getting on to me about having my back waxed…
By DonCoburleone
August 31, 2006 05:31 PM | Link to this
I was just thinking about it, we are not going to see Smoltz in Philly are we? That is going to hurt, but I have a feeling it won’t hurt as much as Cormier and Davies back to back on Saturday…
By The Grinch
August 31, 2006 05:33 PM | Link to this
Lew, like the running of the bulls in spain we could have the running of the musk oxen in Greenwitch Village. Of course, the pollution would probably kill them.
By JG
August 31, 2006 05:34 PM | Link to this
DC, That’s why we could really use a rainout tonight… but I don’t think it’s happening.
By The Grinch
August 31, 2006 05:37 PM | Link to this
I sure hope Davies is healthy, mentally and physically. See Y’all in a bit.
By Lew
August 31, 2006 05:38 PM | Link to this
Grinch_I bet we could sell the idea to ESPN. We could even have Joe Morgan and Jon Miller do the commentary. They heart NY anyway. I wonder how Jon Miller would mispronounce Musk Oxen? Hartebeest might just be too tough for him to manage.
By journalist jimmy smith
August 31, 2006 05:38 PM | Link to this
this storm is headed straight for wilmington and for carolina lady and her family. a nobody, have the boat ready and keep them safe. now, baseball … more on adam laroche … research has revealed that adam laroche’s nickname is “none”. with parontoe, that gives the braves three players with the nickname none. adam laroche is listed as “still living” by the baseball almanac. didn’t you hate to see adam laroche break that bat last night? hope he will find another he likes as well. perhaps he can borrow one from brian jordan who should not need a bat again this season … or can you say “platoon”?
By h8 da braves
August 31, 2006 05:41 PM | Link to this
You can live in the past all you want. Get used to it brave fans. But don’t be so selective. I remember the crappy teams of the 70’s and 80’s. I know you do too but don’t want to bring it up. Anyway, how far up on the brave are we?? Yeah that’s right….YOU ARE SUCKING!!!!
By MEB
August 31, 2006 05:42 PM | Link to this
Carolina Lady… Ernesto appears to be making a bee-line for your house. Could he be interested in your stockpile of butter pecan? As a rule it is not wise to feed hurricanes because they will come again.
From the radar loop it looks like you may get to see the eye of the storm. This means you could step outside and spit in his eye. However, this may be unladylike and ultimately cause him to come back again.
Best advice is to hunker down and root the Braves on. Good luck and GO BRAVES!!!
By Mets Blow
August 31, 2006 05:43 PM | Link to this
Met Records:
Seasons Below .500 24First Place Finishes 4
Average GB 19.5
100+ Loss Seasons 6Post Season Appearances 6
Holds the single season loss record.
Ended 1999 Playoffs by walking in the winning run.
In short, Mets Blow.
By No Talent journalist jimmy smith
August 31, 2006 05:44 PM | Link to this
Oh the humanity!
By DonCoburleone
August 31, 2006 05:46 PM | Link to this
Why even entertain the dumb a$$ Muts fans posts? Just act like he’s not here and maybe he’ll crawl back into the sewer…
By Lew
August 31, 2006 05:46 PM | Link to this
Hater, Bounty Hunter, Mark and Whoever you are AKA, until the Mets actually win something, they will have to live in the past, too. Oh well, you should be used to it by now. Later, you are worth no more time. Pie awaits.
By TennesseePaul
August 31, 2006 05:48 PM | Link to this
Watching Red Dawn today. Haven’t seen it in a while. What a movie.
By Dog the Bounty Hunter
August 31, 2006 05:50 PM | Link to this
Lewie, I’m offended. I am the one and only, no need to impersonate for me. I’m a Braves fan by the way. Unlike you, I’m willing to listen to other peoples posts with an open mind, instead of “i’m right, your posts are stupid, I rule all, leave the blog now!” But I luv ya Bra!
By PB
August 31, 2006 05:53 PM | Link to this
Powers Boothe delivered a masterful performance in Red Dawn… definitely an Oscar snub.
By DonCoburleone
August 31, 2006 05:55 PM | Link to this
Man, it’s strange to hear all this horrible weather talk being as I’m in beautiful sunny California. Freakin’ rain and wind and other hurricane conditions in the southeast, I’m sorry everyone… And FYI, It is currently 91 degrees, sunny with no humidity. I’m gonna go home and lay by the pool when I get off work…
By TennesseePaul
August 31, 2006 05:57 PM | Link to this
I recall growing up, the fear of the USSR and their Mexican counter parts. Man this movie is good. Brings back so many memories.
By doc
August 31, 2006 05:57 PM | Link to this
dob, glad the roachy is quieting those with the mindset that dont have one and appreciate your putting the exclamation point on it.
but more importantaly, hard to believe that i was buying dylan albums in 1964, think the first was blonde on blonde and still got the urge to buy the next one having bought the last two that you mentioned. heard him live in augusta and despite the acoustics was fabulous.
cant get excited about the chances but it is about time for the june win streak.
By simpleton
August 31, 2006 05:58 PM | Link to this
Have fun by the pool… don’t get shot.
By PB
August 31, 2006 06:00 PM | Link to this
I’m not as concerned by the USSR but I’m still leery of their Mexican counterparts… especially when they have a 16 game lead (or whatever it is).
By Lew
August 31, 2006 06:02 PM | Link to this
Dog-Actually I am an opinionated SOB and make no excuse for it. I just don’t have time to listen to stupid theories or just plain crap. However, I have yet to see you post a single thing about baseball, much less the Braves. If you think I’m wrong, then I encourage you to show me the error of my ways. Debate me, if you have the intellectual capabilities, which, from your past post, I sincerely doubt. You have yet to make a substantive rejection of any of my opinions or theories. Have at it. I don’t think you have it in you. Peace. Go eat pie. It might give you a better view on life. At least it will shut you up momentarily. It will take better than you to convince me of the error of my ways.
By Mets Blow
August 31, 2006 06:06 PM | Link to this
Mets have spent the majority of their existence lossing the regular season. When given a chance to win, they bow down to the Yankees. They walk in the winning run. They just give it away. The chances of them winning it all this year, not very good. So it will be a sad day for the Mets fans yet again. But not too surprising. The Mets Blow.
By Lew
August 31, 2006 06:08 PM | Link to this
And not one of them was the Mets.
By TennesseePaul
August 31, 2006 06:10 PM | Link to this
Not just the Cubans, but the Nicaraguans as well. Scary crew. Flew in on passenger jets. Just like in Afganastan in the ’80s.
Wolverines!
By journalist jimmy smith
August 31, 2006 06:10 PM | Link to this
stinky is not a mets fan either - stinky has blogged here with vulgarity for quite some time using many names. guess dob decided stinky is harmless and didn’t block him. before long it will only be stinky blogging to stinky. by the way, he slipped up earlier today and used his “real” handle - or at least the original one. now, baseball … this weather does not portend well for an old arm. let us hope smoltz is sufficiently warmed up and ready to go for this is the time of year that the arm sometimes refuses to cooperate. just hoping smoltz remains strong for as long as needed.
By The Grinch
August 31, 2006 06:11 PM | Link to this
Stopped in for a moment while the coals burn down. Yeah, the Mexicans are winning the war now without firing a shot! Would’ve made a much duller movie (hate to say a Met’s fan’s right, but they were Cubans).
By MEB
August 31, 2006 06:12 PM | Link to this
Tony Kornheiser and Mike Wilbon sure had some fun with Andruw’s great catch and his tumble today on PTI. That was one of the funniest moments I can ever remember during a game. I think we will be seeing it on MLB bloopers forever.
DOB… thank you for a great article on Adam LaRouche. I heard a great interview with Jeff Torborg on XM Home Plate where he discussed Adam at length. As everyone probably knows Adam’s father played in the majors for many years. It’s great to have his slick glove and hot bat playing for our Braves.
By h8 da braves
August 31, 2006 06:15 PM | Link to this
The Yankees are a great organization. They have over 100 years of winning history. In fact some of my favorite players are former Yankees (Ruth, Gerhig,Mantle) If memory serves me correctly the Yankees have beaten the buffalo braves 6 straight times in the world series……Looks like the braves took it up the you know what the last two times they made it to the Series. Can you say K-Y JELLY.
By Dog the Bounty Hunter
August 31, 2006 06:15 PM | Link to this
Lewie baby, I don’t get on here to “debate”. I read other people’s opinions. They can have their opinions, and I can have mine. I don’t feel the need to call it “stupid theories or just plain crap.” Show some love man, get a hug from someone, somethin…time to go home now..Bethie wants a rub down. Later Brah!
And as far as Braves baseball goes…my OPINION is that Giles is a keeper because he’s a gamer and has heart, LaRoche needed the chance to play everyday and now see what he’s done this season. Diaz should be playing everyday and Langerhans should be on the bench, both of them have earned it. Now continue to tell me what i just said is “stupid theories or just plain crap”.
Peace Out!
By The Grinch
August 31, 2006 06:20 PM | Link to this
Those two posts occurring at the same time time just crossed the final “questionable” alias off the list. The identity is now complete, unless “Two Homo Boys” (his [their] handle, not mine) are working together out of the same house.
By Lew
August 31, 2006 06:21 PM | Link to this
No Dog-I agree with you. Giles has been one of my favorite players since he started. LaRoche will also be a good player for many years to come. I was wrong, I thought Langerhans would be better on a full time basis. What you said actually makes sense. This is more than I can say for some of the comments or trade proposals made on this blog. You are welcome to your opinion, but if I can quote stats to show you’re wrong, then why is that my fault. I have no problem with others opinions, just stupidity which could be resolved by doing some quick checking of your facts and figures. As far as getting hugged. I’ve been married for 31 years and have a great son. I get plenty of hugs. Just wouldn’t want one from you.
By The Grinch
August 31, 2006 06:22 PM | Link to this
Back to more important things, like the grill.
By ncscoots
August 31, 2006 06:23 PM | Link to this
really, folks, if Mets fans want to come to this blog and try to rattle our cages, why should we encourage them with posts back? Most of them sound like little children sneaking Internet time on mommy’s computer, anyway (except for a couple who have been civil, forthright, and, dare I say it, even somewhat knowledgeable). Ignore, ignore, ignore. Otherwise the blog begins to sound like a schoolyard, and who needs that crap? Not with pie, toes, and, oh…Virginia Madsen.
By Lew
August 31, 2006 06:25 PM | Link to this
Scoots-You’re aboslutely right. I belittle myself by even bothering to try to teach these cretins wisdom. No more. Goodbye Dog.
By Carolina Lady
August 31, 2006 06:29 PM | Link to this
Supper done!
How do I float Mother out? Put her wheelchair on pontoons and tie it to the back of the jon boat! (A la Beverly Hillbillies. Don’t you love that opening scene with Granny sitting in her rocker in the contraption they drove! Funny!!)
jjs, Aaron has already called to check on us and knows the road is flooded. We’ll be fine. He has a 4-wheel drive and a boat trailer, so he could get in if necessary. (I have the smartest cousin in the world to have married him!)
Fresh pot of decaf: check
Pan of fresh-baked fudge brownies: check
alternate: ice cream: check
TV screen cleaned: check OK - ready for the game! :-))
TNPaul, Red Dawn is a great movie! Glad you mentioned it; I hadn’t thought of it in a long time.
By DonCoburleone
August 31, 2006 06:31 PM | Link to this
Does it look like they are going to get the game in tonight?
By David O'Brien
August 31, 2006 06:33 PM | Link to this
Right now, only certainties Bobby would give for callups are Aybar, B.J., Davies and Brayan Pena, the obvious ones. I’ll try to get rest of them to you shortly, but it won’t be many. I’d guess Lerew, but don’t know for sure yet. Haven’t heard anything of Devine.
KREEDHAM, regarding Neil’s “Living With War.” I bought it the day it came out (we were in Florida for roadie vs. Marlins, I remember it because I bought it and didn’t take it out of my rental car CD player for a few days) and highly recommended it that day and several times since.
I love the CD, every word of it. So I have no idea why you would presume I didn’t like it. The man’s incredible, and the movie “Heart of Gold” that he put out a few months back, with his concert at the Ryman, is a must-buy DVD for Neil fans. Great stuff.
I’ve seen Neil four times solo, and Van once. Both are in my top-10 artists, for sure.
By journalist jimmy smith
August 31, 2006 06:34 PM | Link to this
yes, we have gone off subject. let us return to toes. it is well known that toe spacers reduce friction and pain from overlapped toes. baseball is a game of toes. toe injury ends many baseball careers. toe therapy is now a specialty and the very best teams have a toe man on staff. let us hope the braves will address this need in the off-season - maybe they can work on the pitching as well. now, pie … today we had a pie recipe on the blog. if more bloggers would eat pie there would be less dissension on the blog. soon, this journalist must go to the kitchen for some pie. game time in an hour - where is journalist bob?
By David O'Brien
August 31, 2006 06:35 PM | Link to this
of Devine being called up, that is. But it certainly could be the case. Bobby didn’t want to say until announcement made, and you know how Braves are with this stuff, wait until the very last second, for no real reason.
By ncscoots
August 31, 2006 06:36 PM | Link to this
Lew, good deal. I love ya, man, just let that feisty side simmer a little before you let some of these folks launch your rocket :-) We’re all willing to talk baseball with Mets’ fans (yes, even they), but bloggers whose largest contribution is to let us know they are familiar (perhaps, intimately) with the application of K-Y certainly deserve little of our attention and even less of our time. Besides, dueling with people of that ilk is too much like a mercy killing for my taste.
By DonCoburleone
August 31, 2006 06:38 PM | Link to this
Thu, August 31 - Atlanta Time Condition Feels Like Chance Precip Dew Point Humid. Wind
7pm Scattered T-Storms 76°F
80°F 40% 71°F 84% From NE 4 mph
8pm Scattered T-Storms 75°F
75°F 50% 70°F 84% From NNE 3 mph
Sunset 8:04 pm Check Local Pollen Forecast
9pm Scattered T-Storms 74°F
74°F 50% 70°F 87% From NNE 3 mph
10pm Isolated T-Storms 72°F
72°F 30% 69°F 90% From NNE 3 mph
11pm Isolated T-Storms 71°F
71°F 30% 69°F 93% From
Looks like scattered Thunderstorms all night, could be a very looooong game.
By Braves20
August 31, 2006 06:39 PM | Link to this
Civility…and you’re identified as h8 da braves? Just don’t forget your closer’s 8 plus post season ERA guys. His collar tends to get tight when the money’s on the line which will make for a very unhappy October. And that is my last ever reply to a muts fan.
By ncscoots
August 31, 2006 06:45 PM | Link to this
h8, absolutely, bubba, civility is not a lonesome road. But restraint in the face of provocation makes us all genial companions when traveling the road together, no? I don’t think anybody on this blog, at least those who have been around it long enough to know its tenor and its denizens, is gonna jump your case for just being a Mets fan. It usually takes a little more than that to generate ill will.
By Lew
August 31, 2006 06:47 PM | Link to this
Scoots-Again you are correct, Sir. I have too much intellect to waste on worms, gnats and the like. Isn’t blackberry pie in season?
By SaltyDog55
August 31, 2006 07:02 PM | Link to this
ncscoots…you saw my reply re: Tigers and Owls? BTW…has an Owl ever had a winning record???
By DonCoburleone
August 31, 2006 07:07 PM | Link to this
DOB, how’s the sky look where your at?
By Lew
August 31, 2006 07:11 PM | Link to this
Salty-Temple actualyy had a decent season several years ago. I think they were ranked or just out of the rankings.
By David O'Brien
August 31, 2006 07:16 PM | Link to this
Sky looks fine here, at least for now. Hasn’t rained in few hour and it’s blue skies and start on time.
Devine IS joining Braves in Philly, along with the guys I mentioned _ Aybar, B. Pena, Jordan, Davies _ and Thorman.
There could be one more, but I don’t think it’s Lerew. Braves don’t plan to make anything official until after game.
By SaltyDog55
August 31, 2006 07:16 PM | Link to this
ncscoots…wasn’t that under the ex Clemson coach? Dickerson…something like that? I was pulling for him, but sheesh…tough to win and be whippin’ post for the Big East bullies!
By Zimmerman
August 31, 2006 07:26 PM | Link to this
Braves fans, you’re Positively 4th Place. You’ve got a lotta nerve to say you can contend. And though I know you’re dissatisfied with your position and your place, don’t you understand it’s not my problem?
By DonCoburleone
August 31, 2006 07:30 PM | Link to this
Is it starting on time???
By DonCoburleone
August 31, 2006 07:33 PM | Link to this
Washington’s beatin’ Philly 2-0 already…
By Calvin
August 31, 2006 07:36 PM | Link to this
How is Jurries doing? or not doing, whichever is the case…
By DonCoburleone
August 31, 2006 07:36 PM | Link to this
spoke too soon, 2-1 nationals…
By DonCoburleone
August 31, 2006 07:39 PM | Link to this
Nice Smoltz, 7 pitches - 3 outs. Keep limiting those pitches so we don’t have to go to the bullpen…
By el bravo x
August 31, 2006 07:43 PM | Link to this
we just have to win out.
By justin
August 31, 2006 08:01 PM | Link to this
smoltz aint got it tonight
By SaltyDog55
August 31, 2006 08:09 PM | Link to this
Shaun Frenchy drew a walk! I couldn’t resist! :-)
By Brad
August 31, 2006 08:47 PM | Link to this
Francouer should be on 3rd right now, but he turned to go back to 2nd, and didn’t look, once he saw that bonds dropped the ball, it was too late, and they are lucky that the giants were asleep.
By ncscoots
August 31, 2006 08:50 PM | Link to this
SDog, yeah, bubba, saw your post, just been away from the blog. We find out early if pretender/contender after this week’s scrimmage. Don’t remember that Temple coach, though. BTW, I’m gonna be at two games this year, you going to any?
By Tony Almeida
August 31, 2006 08:55 PM | Link to this
DOB…what is the Braves obsession with bringing Devine up? Are they TRYING to kill this kids career?
By David O'Brien
August 31, 2006 09:07 PM | Link to this
Tony, I don’t think they’ll be putting him in any bases-loaded situations, or leaving him in any, this time around. They’ll be careful, I’m sure. Probably more just a reward for a year of progress (after his first-week debacle at SF) in minors, and an extra arm just in case.
HEY, WAS THE BLOG DOWN FOR A WHILE, OR WHAT? What message did you guys get when you tried to post?
By David O'Brien
August 31, 2006 09:09 PM | Link to this
93 pitches for Smoltsz, and that’s that.
Threw 7 in first, 30 in second, 8 in third, 30 in fourth … that kind of night. Just didn’t have it. Couldn’t make any big pitch when he needed.
And now … Ken Ray.
Temperature’s dropping here (not because Ray is coming in) and it smells like rain. Anybody getting rain nearby?
By ncscoots
August 31, 2006 09:10 PM | Link to this
haven’t had any problems here posting…though some folks might say that might be a problem in and of itself!
By nathan
August 31, 2006 09:10 PM | Link to this
Say what you want about Smoltz. He is a HOF’r in my opinion. But one thing I’m COMPLETELY tired of, is his wining! If anything doesn’t go his way, he’s gotta b*tch about it. (strike zone, ball’s not rubbed right, his contract, JS not obtaining more help…..bla, bla, bla!)
JUST PLAY THE DAMN GAME!
I find it ironic, that he’s been the most vocal, the last week, and he proceeds to come out and lay an egg. But I’m sure in the in the post game comments, he’ll find some excuse of why things didn’t go his way.
Like I said. I LOVE SMOLTZ. The guy is the definition of clutch (well, maybe not tonight), but how often did we ever see Maddux, or Glavine whining about stuff everytime something went wrong. Hell, I don’t remember Tony Gwynn complaining about anything ever.
Grow up Smoltz, JUST PLAY THE GAME! If you don’t like where you are playing……LEAVE!
By Just For the Sake of Argument
August 31, 2006 09:15 PM | Link to this
Guess Ol’ Smoltzie’s Cy Young chances hit a bit of a snag tonight.
Maybe the Homeboy Upstairs knows what he’s doing holding off on that option.
By ncscoots
August 31, 2006 09:17 PM | Link to this
jeez, it’s no wonder the bullpen is shot. How many guys are down there with 50+ appearances? And shoot, NONE of these guys were even on the roster at the beginning of the year. Just can’t expose mediocre pitchers that much and expect them to be effective.
By Whre Have You Gone, Terry Harper?
August 31, 2006 09:19 PM | Link to this
At least the Braves’ hitters are being dominated by a respectable pitcher for a change.
By MEB
August 31, 2006 09:22 PM | Link to this
DOB… you had a small cell just to your east and it has moved off to the south. Lots and lots of rain, courtesy of Ernesto, way off to the east towards Athens. So the radar looks pretty good.
A big rally by the Braves would be really cool!
By journalist jimmy smith
August 31, 2006 09:27 PM | Link to this
the shot of chipper and laroche side-by-side chewing whatever was priceless. uh, not sure what they talk about but it must be heavy stuff - toes, pie, or something on that order. baseball is a great game.
By MEB
August 31, 2006 09:28 PM | Link to this
Carolina Lady… are you still high and dry? You need to give us a post every so often so we won’t worry.
By Carolina Lady
August 31, 2006 09:37 PM | Link to this
MEblub….weblub’re gettinblub a lot of blub rainblub, but ifblub I standblub on myblub tippytoes, Iblub can sortablub keep myblub nose aboveblub water a bitblub. Wish Iblub was tallerblub. Wind isblub kickingblub….. Thanks forblubasking, MEBblub!
By ssiscribe
August 31, 2006 09:38 PM | Link to this
Hey everybody, hope all is well. Been busy with the new gig, and we’re going to Tennessee for the holiday weekend to see extended family for the first time in forever, so I haven’t been on much lately.
Hoping to get to the ballpark next weekend when the Cubs are in town. Still smiling about my little man’s first trip to The Ted on Sunday. Memories I’ll cherish forever, and the photo CD should be in once we return from Big Orange Country.
Some rain on the southside tonight, about 15 miles south of the ballpark. Speaking of rain, Carolina Lady, safety to you and all in your neck of the woods the next day or so. One thing I don’t miss about living on the Ga. coast is the fear that our luck with hurricanes would run out.
With that said, nothing like the ocean churning and 10-foot faces breaking right on the beach to make you appreciate the awesome raw power of nature. Just try body-boarding in that one time, folks. Wow! Guess I’ve traded the tropical threat for the madness of 1/2 inch of snow come January.
We’re still in this thing, believe it or not. Labor Day almost is here and we’ve got life. Gotta win three of four in Philly this weekend, though, to really fuel the flames of the playoff push.
OK, time to run. Take care, all. DOB, always appreciate the forum and the job you do, with the fishwrap and online. Word to you (that had to be the most classic moment; I just have to know, did JS hit his suspenders when he fist-bumped his chest the other day?).
Will be trying to check in from the Smokies this weekend. Safe travels to all. Let’s go win us a wild card!
—30—
By The Grinch
August 31, 2006 09:39 PM | Link to this
Hey, Y’all, the Falcons are down by the same number of points as the Braves; the difference is the Falcons are poised now to go ahead…
By el bravo x
August 31, 2006 09:41 PM | Link to this
whoever bets on baseball is nuts! Call me Mr. Granola bar.
By Carolina Lady
August 31, 2006 09:41 PM | Link to this
Power is flickering - may not be on to long now……..will post is able.
By h8 da braves
August 31, 2006 09:41 PM | Link to this
No sweep for you!!! Have fun visiting Philly and NEW YORK!!!!
By Carolina Lady
August 31, 2006 09:48 PM | Link to this
Local NWS just advised that tornadoes are being sighted in the county. Getting ugly for a little storm! Track has it coming in just about over Southport or very slightly west of there. Be kinda bumpy for the next few hours, I guess. Lost track of the game. Last I saw, it was 6-1 Giants and Smoltz was leaving.
By No Talent journalist jimmy smith
August 31, 2006 09:48 PM | Link to this
Oh the humanity!
By ncscoots
August 31, 2006 09:53 PM | Link to this
scribe, I’ll admit that the closest I ever felt to God was surfing during a tropical storm. I’ve never surfed Australia or some of the other greatest beaches where really big waves are the norm, but I can tell you truly there is no other thing on earth that puts you in touch with your inner being than a big ride. I plead guilty to thinking surfing is the greatest physical activity ever created, though, so I’m not the most unbiased source of info. But the bubba abides…
By MEB
August 31, 2006 09:56 PM | Link to this
CL… hang in there and maybe these Braves can keep this rally going to brighten all of our spirits.
Hey, the underwater blogging was very cool.:))
By The Grinch
August 31, 2006 09:57 PM | Link to this
I’ll drive the boat and/or guard the cooler…closest I’m getting to assisted water activity. Good luck, CL; hope you don’t see any cows flying around tonight. Falcons just screwed up, too; good thing it’s pre-season.
By ncscoots
August 31, 2006 10:03 PM | Link to this
CL, FYI, 7-4, Braves load the bases with 2 out, Francoeur up.
By journalist jimmy smith
August 31, 2006 10:08 PM | Link to this
oh, carolina lady is underwater! thank goodness she has tubs of ice cream for flotation devices. see, journalist was helping carolina lady be prepared. now, francoeur is at bat with the bases loaded. will he win the game? strike one! strike two! “how did he hit that ball - a foot outside?” it was only 0-2 because he swung at everything thrown up there.
By MEB
August 31, 2006 10:10 PM | Link to this
Chulk plunks Frenchy with’em loaded. Baseball is an amazing game. GO BRAVES!!!
By nathan
August 31, 2006 10:12 PM | Link to this
Chulk would fit into our bullben just fine!
Make a move JS
By nathan
August 31, 2006 10:14 PM | Link to this
LaRoche sure has come a long way. In May, he would’ve struck out about 3 pitches ago.
By Carolina Lady
August 31, 2006 10:14 PM | Link to this
Thanks, Scoots! Let me guess: he’s swinging for the fences, right?? Bases loaded??? WHAT HAPPENED????
Grinch, haven’t seen cows. Didn’t get a real good look, but I coulda sworn I saw Hartebeest sail past while ago. Weird.
I don’t believe this: local NWS just issued a statement: “Additional amounts of rainfall in the amounts of 3 to 5 inches with locally higher amounts are likely across New Hanover County.” We’ve already had (according to them) 9”+.
I have a little program called Weatherbug which I just love. Keeps me updated instantly on local weather, radar, forecasts, etc. They usually get warnings, etc out before the media people do. Check it out.
Power has steadied again. Fingers crossed!
WHAT HAPPENED, SCOOTS?????
By nathan
August 31, 2006 10:16 PM | Link to this
Hmmmm. 7-5. Must win game. Yup! CLASSIC Bobby, just like in the playoffs. Smoltz CLEARLY did not have IT tonight. But Bobby proceeded to leave him out their 1 inning too long.
Of course I realize that our bullpen is MAXED out, so I guess it’s a matter of pick your poison.
But it’s nice to see in the midst of tough times, SOME THINGS never change.
Hee Haw!
By journalist jimmy smith
August 31, 2006 10:20 PM | Link to this
wickman is exercising in the bullpen! wickman reminds this journalist of a wobbling weebles.
By MBATL
August 31, 2006 10:22 PM | Link to this
Nathan, glad you said earlier that “I LOVE SMOLTZ”, cause otherwise I might not think so. How quick is Bobby s’posed to be to pull his best pitcher to put Ray or Paronto in the game? You give no quarter, my man!
By journalist jimmy smith
August 31, 2006 10:26 PM | Link to this
barry took a hit to the toe area and has had to leave the game - much to the distress of the san franciso giants. what gem will bobby select from the bullpen next? oh, no! yates! with two men on base … hmmm. maybe this will be yates’ night.
By MEB
August 31, 2006 10:26 PM | Link to this
Oddball: Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? … Always with the negative waves nathan, always with the negative waves. …
By SaltyDog55
August 31, 2006 10:33 PM | Link to this
scoots…not sure I’ll make it to the Valley or not. Thought I was gonna make BC, but plans changed…that woulda been cool.
Well…Braves…can you complete the comeback!?!
By journalist jimmy smith
August 31, 2006 10:34 PM | Link to this
remember earlier in the season when prado came up in a similar situation and hit a triple? C’mon prado!
By MEB
August 31, 2006 10:37 PM | Link to this
Carolina Lady… the radar shows Ernesto’s eye may peeking in your window anytime now, be on the lookout!
By nathan
August 31, 2006 10:40 PM | Link to this
MBATL
I do love smoltz “the pitcher”, but Smoltz the “vocal leader” leaves something to be desired. Everybody always says how Glavine and Maddux were too submissive. Hell, most of the time, I thought that too. But as time goes on, Smoltz’s whining has just rubbed me the wrong way. Not just what he says and the way he says it. That stuff can ALL be taken out of context. To me it’s the body language on the mound. The rolling of the eyes when he doesn’t get the call a foot off the plate. Crying to Bobby in the dugout about the balls. BLA BLA BLA BLA! Glavine and Maddux didn’t have to SAY ANYTHING. They just did their job. On the other hand neither of them were as dominant in post season…..BUT, you get my point, don’t you? Hasn’t Smoltz figured it out by now, that when you “disrespect” an umpire by questioning his calls, the odds are that you are not going to get the next close one out of spite? The umps are humans with feelings too. They don’t like to be made asses of by Millionaire crybabies.
Just incredibly HORRIBLE timing on his behalf. He takes his jab at the “homeboy upstairs” last week and then in his next outing he can’t find the strikezone and like I said before, LAID AN EGG!
Who knows, maybe DOB will have a quote from JS tomorrow that goes something like this. “Hey everytime I think we don’t need anymore help for the pitching staff, my HOMEBOY downstairs can’t get the job done”
Yeah, I know, just a little over the top but HEY, who doesn’t like Sylvester Stallone?
And to answer your question about Bobby pulling his best pitcher? Your best pitcher shouldn’t give up 6 runs in a must win game. All of these games are must win btw! I believe they gotta play about .900 ball to have a chance. Yeah, I know. FAT CHANCE OF THAT! And yes, I do realize that pulling Smoltz for the pitchers you mentioned might not be the best option. But I sure wouldn’t make my 39 year old ACE pitch any more pitches in late August on a night that he didn’t have “IT” than he had to. As far as the bullpen “holding it right where it is”, Hell, sun’s gotta shine a dog’s A$$ once in a while, doesn’t it?
NICE AB’s after Diaz’s leadoff hit, BTW. NICE approach guys. If we can’t hit Mike “I stopped getting people out in 2001” Stanton, then this offense just isn’t thinking up at the plate. Oh wait. I guess that’s been obvious for a while.
BTW…..I’m not actually crabby tonight. It just seems like it.
But I wish this team would either STEP UP or FOLD, cuz the “teasing” is just making me more mad than I actually was in late July.
By nathan
August 31, 2006 10:42 PM | Link to this
I’m glad our “fearless leader” Chipper Jones showed Francoeur how to take a pitch, with the game on the line.
Yup. Leaders, that lead by example. We’ve got one of those don’t we.
Did I mention his name is BRIAN MCCANN!
TAKE A DAMN PITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By No Talent journalist jimmy smith
August 31, 2006 10:44 PM | Link to this
Oh the humanity! journalist jimmy smith loves pudding. journalist jimmy smith loves talking about seals. journalist jimmy smith loves imagining kidnappings. journalist jimmy smith loves built muscular males.
By journalist jimmy smith
August 31, 2006 10:46 PM | Link to this
zz top in the stands tonight! looking kind of rough … but that was zz top, right?
By journalist jimmy smith
August 31, 2006 10:47 PM | Link to this
wayne franklin! wayne franklin! who is wayne franklin? uh, oh …
By nathan
August 31, 2006 10:49 PM | Link to this
MEB
Let me get this right. You are getting on me about “negative waves” for getting on Smoltz about being so damn whiny and negative.
Oh I’m sorry, let me change my tune for you.
Here we go. I’ve found a new admiration for Smoltz.
Man OH Man. That Smoltz sure knows how to keep his emotions in check. I think I’ll teach my sons that when things don’t go well, just YELL and complain to somebody and everything will be better. Don’t actually adjust YOUR approach to fit in with society. The youth of tomorrow’s attitude and motto should be: OUR WAY OR THE HIGHWAY, CUZ EVERBODY ELSE SUCKS!
I guess it’s just a product of him being around the bigges whiner of a manager ever to live. Why would he act any different?
BTW I’m going on record to predict we score 2 runs in the 9th to lose by one run…….AGAIN!!
By MBATL
August 31, 2006 10:52 PM | Link to this
Nathan, I love it! Been away from the blog, for the most part, for a couple of days, and came back to find little to respond to… you’re the man!
I don’t have a problem with Smoltz’ on-field whining, though I admit he does it. I did have a problem with his public statements about needing a trade to help the ‘pen (thought that was a slap in the face to guys currently down there) and about his contract… duh… are the Braves gonna let him walk? Of COURSE they’re gonna re-up him.
But, he’s a strong, and vocal, personality. If he were a ham-n-egger, no, you don’t put up with that stuff (witness Ligtenberg!). But he’s not, so you take what you get.
As to pulling Smoltz, obviously your best pitcher shouldn’t give up 7 runs, but whatcha gonna do? I get so tired of hearing we left a pitcher in too long based on the fact that he just gave up some runs… OF COURSE you’d rather have taken him out before that, but who knew? Wickman’s been great, but our ‘pen in the 5th, 6th, 7th is pretty weak.
I know you understand all this, so I’ll give you a pass based on your love of the Braves (?).
By Carolina Lady
August 31, 2006 10:53 PM | Link to this
Yeah, MEB, we get through the eyewalls, it should get better quickly. Doesn’t look like there’s too much on the back side. There’s a lot of something thudding into the roof - probably pine cones, etc. Wish you could hear the wind in all these pines! I just read that the sea buoy at Frying Pan Shoals is recording seas at 15’. Sure glad I’m on land!! Here comes another squall…………
By el bravo x
August 31, 2006 10:55 PM | Link to this
As I reach for a bullet and load up the gun, I rembember, it is only a game. A nutty game. rally?
By nathan
August 31, 2006 10:59 PM | Link to this
MBATL
You are right about the leaving in pitchers too long comment. Of course it would be easy say “shoulda taken him out sooner” after the fact.
But it’s BOBBY’S JOB to know his players. It was ABSOLUTELY obvious to ME that in inning number 2 Smoltz didn’t have it tonight. I think it’s a mistake to assume he would get out of jam after jam all night long. At some point ACT LIKE THE DAMN MANAGER and MANAGE THE TEAM!!!!
Again, I’ll repeat. I UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE NO OTHER OPTIONS. So it’s a moot argument.
Did andruw actually take that ball to right field or was he fooled badly and couldn’t stop his swing in time? LOL. At least he got on. Now my prediction has life…..2 run home…..coming right up! Just watch.
By The Grinch
August 31, 2006 10:59 PM | Link to this
DOB, how does one get in touch with you? By navigating the site, you apparently don’t exist and clicking on your name in blue here doesn’t do squat. Anyone else here have a clue?
By Carolina Lady
August 31, 2006 11:03 PM | Link to this
Grinch, go to one of DOB’s articles and click on his name. (How’s the back?)
By nathan
August 31, 2006 11:08 PM | Link to this
Oh Damn! I’m a moron. They only got ONE meaninless run in the 9th! LOL
goodnight all, and to all a good night. Maybe I’ll wake up tomorrow and find that the 6 or 7 teams ahead of the Braves in the wild card hunt have “forfitted” the remainder of the season. But even that wouldn’t help. I’m sure the Braves would find a way to let Washington and the Cubs pass us. LOL
nye-night!
By MEB
August 31, 2006 11:09 PM | Link to this
nathan… John Smoltz is a terrific competitor and very likely a future hall of famer. Not only does he put up great numbers on the field but his efforts off the field are well known and respected. Your using terms like “whining and crying” on the mound is simply hyperbole on your part. Intensity and competitiveness is what I see when he pitches and I think the vast majority, including the players and umpires, see it that way. That’s how I see it, but I do enjoy your passion for the Braves.
By Carolina Lady
August 31, 2006 11:13 PM | Link to this
The eye has made landfall (about 10 min ago)and is coming straight up the Cape Fear River. Top winds at 70.
By The Grinch
August 31, 2006 11:16 PM | Link to this
Back is noticeably better, thank you. How’s the roof? :-) Nathan, I have to disagree with you on one thing: Frank Robinson is BY FAR the whiniest person, period, in the game. When he was (not commissioner, but whatever high post he just held before managing again) he tried to kick every player who pitched inside or charged the mound out of the game, saying there’s no room for fighting in baseball. What? Now he’s managing again, and he does nothing but whine and moan all game to the umpires, regardless of the score, using his past influence to seemingly borderline threaten them as best he can to get his way. No doubt he was a great player in his day, but if I didn’t actually see him with my own two eyes I’d swear he was a twelve-year old girl now.
By The Grinch
August 31, 2006 11:20 PM | Link to this
If I was you, CL, I’d turn off the ‘pooter and head for the cellar. Unless you really want to try that “Standing in the eye” thing. Good luck, either way.
By nathan
August 31, 2006 11:23 PM | Link to this
MEB
Ok, like always, I haven’t actually gone to bed yet! LOL.
I hear ya! I LOVE his fire. Fist pumps, yeling at other players to fire them up, pointing his finger at somebody for a nice play….all of that!
I just think it makes him look like a rookie more like a veteran and the future HOF’r that he is, when his sholders “drop” and he huffs and puffs about the strike zone.
And while I may agree with WHAT he said in the paper about JS and quite honestly just about everything he said earlier in the year. He’s not getting younger, he wants to win and WIN NOW. And I appreciate that he wants to do it in Atlanta. And even with all my ranting about him, I want him to finish his career with the Braves. He and US FANS deserve that. I just wish he’d FIRE up the guys behind closed doors, and keep his mouth shut. NOTHING GOOD can come out of it. If he succeeds, he’s just doing his job. If he fails (like he did tonight), which btw, I’m not ripping him for failing. He’s entitled to have a bad night. What he has done the last 2 seasons (other than leave us with a mess of a bullpen) has been simply AMAZING to say the least.
I was just sarcastically (it’s all I know. LOL), pointing out that it was ironic to me that he happened to CHOKE the next time out after making his “controversial” (not to me) comments. How is that any different (other than topic) than Rocker opening his big mouth and then feeling the pressure to back it up? Maybe Smoltz is sick, maybe his arm is bugging him (doubt it, since he hit 96 MPH tonight), maybe he’s preoccupied about contract. I’m not sure. Maybe the balls were different. Hell, maybe the guys just had a bad night. But he does look pretty silly to me after “running his mouth” and then dropping the ball. Maybe he should go have dinner with Freddie “FredEX” Mitchell! LOL.
But, having said that. I still love the guy!
By nathan
August 31, 2006 11:29 PM | Link to this
grinch
good point on Robinson.
And I realize that what Bobby is doing, is making the argument so his players DON’T HAVE TO. So in that respect, he’s actually doing his job, by protecting his players from ejection. Maybe he should’ve let Reitsma actually get ejected a couple of times and we’d only be a couple of games back or maybe a couple ahead in the WC standings. LOL
By kreedham
August 31, 2006 11:31 PM | Link to this
DOB-I wasn’t suggesting you wouldn’t like the Neil Young. I was suggesting most of the folks in red state land wouldn’t. Thanks for the recommendation on the DVD. I’ll get it!
By Carolina Lady
August 31, 2006 11:31 PM | Link to this
LOL - don’t have a cellar, Grinch! This is sea level; if we try to dig a cellar, we hit water and wind up with a swimming pool!
By Tony Almeida
August 31, 2006 11:35 PM | Link to this
uhhhh Grinch Man….doesnt Frank Robinson whine as much as Bobby Cox? if not more?
By MEB
August 31, 2006 11:42 PM | Link to this
nathan… I hear you, but I was often frustrated by Glavine, and to some extent now by Chipper, that they don’t play with enough passion. I wanted Glavine to get mad and display some passion and it seems when Chipper gets excited great things happen. I agree their is a proper decorum for athletes that exists somewhere in between. Adam LaRouche suffers to a great extent because a lot of people equate his mannerisms to a lack of effort.
Funny, I am watching SportsCenter and Jim Leyland is going crazy with the umps and then takes a timeout for the singing of “God Bless America.” As soon as the music is over he is back chewing on the umpire. Talk about decorum.
By The Grinch
August 31, 2006 11:42 PM | Link to this
That’s exactly my point, Tony. Frank whines more than anyone. Re-read my post, dude.
By MEB
August 31, 2006 11:43 PM | Link to this
nathan… I hear you, but I was often frustrated by Glavine, and to some extent now by Chipper, that they don’t play with enough passion. I wanted Glavine to get mad and display some passion and it seems when Chipper gets excited great things happen. I agree their is a proper decorum for athletes that exists somewhere in between. Adam LaRouche suffers to a great extent because a lot of people equate his mannerisms to a lack of effort.
Funny, I am watching SportsCenter and Jim Leyland is going crazy with the umps and then takes a timeout for the singing of “God Bless America.” As soon as the music is over he is back chewing on the umpire. Talk about decorum.
By The Grinch
August 31, 2006 11:45 PM | Link to this
First no generator, now no cellar. Can I inerest you in a modular home in Kansas? :-) And what’s wrong with a cellar swimming pool, besides the rats? You don’t have to worry about sunburn or pinecones in the filter.
By Tony Almeida
August 31, 2006 11:46 PM | Link to this
Sorry, i misworded. I think Bobby complains more then anyone. When he comes out to defend his players, I respect that, but like Frank, Bobby also comes out to complain about unnecessary things.
By MEB
August 31, 2006 11:52 PM | Link to this
Sorry y’all for the double post but I got some weird message.
Carolina Lady… Yep, you are going to have quite a bit of yard work to do tomorrow. Make sure you take a close look at your roof and see if any shingles have been pulled loose. I know after Hurricane Opal my biggest problem was getting satisfaction from the insurance company for roof damage.
Did you go outside and spit in Ernesto’s eye?
By The Grinch
August 31, 2006 11:54 PM | Link to this
The blog apparently isn’t working properly; none of the posts in the last hour are showing up on my screen. G’night, all, and good luck CL.
By nathan
September 1, 2006 12:02 AM | Link to this
MEB
thanks for note on Leyland. I’ll have to watch ESPN later to see that!
Hey, has anybody else noticed that it seems like the last few games that have ACTUALLY been aired on TBS have resulted in a loss? Maybe I’m wrong. But it sure seems that way.
Speaking of lack of effort and Chipper. Did anybody notice the total LACK OF EFFORT on his RBI groundout to 1B? When you make contact…….RUN! Don’t play umpire!
By Carolina Lady
September 1, 2006 12:03 AM | Link to this
The eyewall hasn’t passed here yet. Blowing like crazy out there. Can;t believe the power is still on - though it’s flickering a lot. I’m in the NE part of the county so the eye itself hasn’t reached here. I’m not sure how wide the eye is, so it may or may not cross where I am. If it doens’t, it’ll just keep blowing without the calm of the eye. I looked out at the back deck and it is covered with little pieces of pine boughs, cones, and other assorted stuff from trees. Will have to check in the morning for new born baby squirrels who may have been blown out of their nests. (I’ve played mama to a bunch of them in the past!)
The insurance companies have raised rates, lowered coverage and play it real hard here since we’ve had all those storms in the late 90s. (I think there were 7 over a 30-some month period of time.) I try to find the shingles and put them back on myself.
I sure wish this thing would go ahead and pass through. Looks like the whole backside has fallen apart, so once the eye passes, it should quieten considerably. I be sleepy!! :-))
Thanks for keeping me company, MEB! :-)
By nathan
September 1, 2006 12:19 AM | Link to this
I am going to bed NOW! LOL
Good luck with the storm Carolina Lady.
I’ll take my 40 below winters up north over that hurricane stuff ANY DAY OF THE WEEK!
again….GOOD LUCK and Stay Safe!
By Tom A. Hawk
September 1, 2006 12:39 AM | Link to this
Braves have acquired Daryle Ward from the Nationals.
By Head Coach
September 1, 2006 12:47 AM | Link to this
DOB , nice blog concerning LaRoche , he deserves the recognition. I mean , who ever thought Adam LaRoche would be listed among the top ten 1st baseman in the Majors ? Pujols , Howard , Delgado , Konerko and Berkman all have better offensive numbers overall but LaRoche is clearly the best defender among the bunch and that adds up too a few extra runs saved in Bobby Cox stat book. I would think the whole 1st base platoon is a thing of the past as long as LaRoche is playing in a Bravos uniform. So DOB , when do you think they will start giving the prospects some playing time ? Do you think its time to start evaluating this team for 2007 ?
By David O'Brien
September 1, 2006 12:51 AM | Link to this
Head coach, they’re not going to be playing prospects for evaluating. Braves are trying to win the wild card, plain and simple. That’s why they just traded for Daryle Ward, though they only had to give up an injured pitchig prospect, Luis Atilano.
I’ve gotta get out of here, get home, pack and try to sleep a couple hours before catching flight in the morning. But here’s the story on the trade, albeit a short story since John S. literally walked over to me at 10 minutes after midnight to announce it. Not much time or space in the paper tomorrow, so I’ll be surprised if even this entire thing runs in print edition. Anyway, here it is (and yes, I think it was a good trade, considering they only gave up a 21-year-old pitcher who just had Tommy John surgery this summer and is out until midseason next year:
By DAVID O’BRIEN dobrien@ajc.com
The Braves added power to their bench by trading for Washington’s Daryle Ward late Thursday, giving up an injured minor league pitching prospect to get the left-handed hitting veteran. To get Ward, batting .308 with six homers in 104 at-bats, the Braves parted with right-hander Luis Atilano, 21, a former first-round draft choice who had “Tommy John” elbow surgery this summer. Ward, 31, has experience at first base and the outfield, but the Braves plan to use him as a pinch-hitter. “He’s had an outstanding year pinch-hitting, with power,” said Braves general manager John Schuerholz, who announced the trade shortly after midnight. “ He makes us a lot stronger on the bench.” Ward is 14-for-48 (.292) with three homers and 10 RBIs as a pinch-hitter, playinig almost exclusively against right-handed pitchers this season. Atilano was 6-7 with a 4.50 ERA in 19 games (18 starts) for Class A Myrtle Beach before his season-ending elbow injury. The 2003 first-round pick was 8-9 with a 4.17 ERA for Class A Rome in 2005.
By supergrass
September 1, 2006 12:57 AM | Link to this
Daryle Ward- ok he didnt give up much to get him but do the braves really need him? besides the wickman trade- John Schuerholz has been a little off this year.
By David O'Brien
September 1, 2006 12:58 AM | Link to this
Oops, forgot I had to put spaces in the blog posts. I just cut-and-pasted that the way I sent it to paper, so all the indents and paragraphs were cut out.
Here is is again. And yes, while Atilando is a former first-rounder (sandwich pick, 35th overall selection in 2003), he’s not put up any great numbers in his two seasons in A-ball (well, one season plus this year until he got hurt).
So it’s not too much to give up for a one-month-or-more rental, if you think you’ve got a chance to make the playoffs (not saying I think the Braves have much of one, but they obviously believe they have a legit shot).
By DAVID O’BRIEN dobrien@ajc.com
The Braves added power to their bench by trading for Washington’s Daryle Ward late Thursday, giving up an injured minor league pitching prospect to get the left-handed hitting veteran.
To get Ward, batting .308 with six homers in 104 at-bats, the Braves parted with right-hander Luis Atilano, 21, a former first-round draft choice who had “Tommy John” elbow surgery this summer.
Ward, 31, has experience at first base and the outfield, but the Braves plan to use him as a pinch-hitter.
“He’s had an outstanding year pinch-hitting, with power,” said Braves general manager John Schuerholz, who announced the trade shortly after midnight. “ He makes us a lot stronger on the bench.”
Ward is 14-for-48 (.292) with three homers and 10 RBIs as a pinch-hitter, playinig almost exclusively against right-handed pitchers this season.
Atilano was 6-7 with a 4.50 ERA in 19 games (18 starts) for Class A Myrtle Beach before his season-ending elbow injury. The 2003 first-round pick was 8-9 with a 4.17 ERA for Class A Rome in 2005.
By TheSouthernJackAss
September 1, 2006 01:03 AM | Link to this
Some of you people are so full of yourselves I bet your eyeballs are floatin’ in $hit!!!…GO A’s!!!…
By Tom A. Hawk
September 1, 2006 01:03 AM | Link to this
Daryle Ward. Talk about too little, too late. WAY too little. WAY too late.
At least we got a left-handed hitting first baseman in case the two we already have go down over the next month.
15-13 in August, the month we were REALLY gonna get rolling. I gues the competition wasn’t as soft as we thought, huh?
Those damn Pirates!
By Head Coach
September 1, 2006 01:03 AM | Link to this
Daryle Ward ? the guy is a career utility backup player at 1B and the OF. I wonder why they went and added another left handed hitting 1st baseman ? Who did the Braves trade for Ward ?
By Head Coach
September 1, 2006 01:07 AM | Link to this
Never mind , I read the above post by DOB.
By Tom A. Hawk
September 1, 2006 01:07 AM | Link to this
Coach: Luis Atilano, 21, a former first-round draft choice who had “Tommy John” elbow surgery this summer.
With our luck, Ataliano will excel for years and Hampton will flame out.
By journalist jimmy smith
September 1, 2006 01:09 AM | Link to this
ooooooh i just woke up with my finger in my momma’s pie!…….oh! the humanity!
By Head Coach
September 1, 2006 01:13 AM | Link to this
Well DOB , I cant blame the Bravos for trying. But it sure is going to be frustrating to watch this team spin their wheels going nowhere in September when they should at least start preparing for next season.
By Tom A. Hawk
September 1, 2006 01:17 AM | Link to this
Yep, it’s a Catch-22. Braves can’t really quit when they’re only down 4 1/2, but they can’t really win since seven other teams are closer.
By Tom A. Hawk
September 1, 2006 01:30 AM | Link to this
.292 is decent, but far from “outstanding.” And he might provide a bit of a boost, but no way does adding Daryle Ward make the bench “much stronger.” And if he can’t hit left-handed pitching, then it’s a simple matter for an opposing manager to neutralize him with a left-handed reliever, forcing Cox to use two players for one at-bat.
Not a lot of upside that I can see, unless the Braves are pretty certain Ataliano won’t amount to much.
Ever since Schuerholz wrote that damn book, he hasn’t seemed to smart. I think there’s a “Built to Win” cover jinx on him, like there is for the Sports Illustrated cover.
I eagerly await DOB’s blog from the airport later this morning, when he tries to convince us what a golden, season-salvaging acquisition Ward is.
By berigan
September 1, 2006 01:35 AM | Link to this
Funny, Daryle Ward has only 6 homers, but I bet 3 of them were on baseball tonight this season. They were monsters. Hitting .308 for the Nationals, and only 104 A.B’s?? No wonder the Nationals are in last place!
By Head Coach
September 1, 2006 01:44 AM | Link to this
Funny post Tom A.Hawk. Daryle Ward is the Brian Jordan for 2007. But , he is a lefty like LaRoche and probably figures more as an outfielder since Cox will surely have a righthanded 1st baseman to backup LaRoche (Scott Thorman ?) next season. John Schuerholz is one smart HOMEBOY , adding players for next season while making it look as if he trying to make a run at the postseason. Very foreward thinking and sneaky !
By Tom A. Hawk
September 1, 2006 01:47 AM | Link to this
.083 against left-handed pitching. Oh, the humanity!
By Head Coach
September 1, 2006 01:47 AM | Link to this
LOL , Thorman is a lefty too. Now I’m really confused !
By Tom A. Hawk
September 1, 2006 01:56 AM | Link to this
Meanwhile, the Dodgers go out tonight and make a deal with the Nationals for the Pride of Prattville, Alabama — Marlon Anderson, who lacks Ward’s power but is a much more versatile player with much better speed (anybody see his sprint for home to beat the Phillies tonight?) and a decent average from both sides of the plate.
Maybe the Braves could swing a John Schuerholz-for-Ned Coletti swap.
By Head Coach
September 1, 2006 01:58 AM | Link to this
C’mon Tom A. Hawk , tell the rest of the stat story. Ward only has 12 at bats against lefty’s with one hit , hence the .083 SLG stat. But , he has 92 at bats with 31 hits against right handers and a .633 SLG
By Tom A. Hawk
September 1, 2006 02:09 AM | Link to this
Yeah, Coach, the Nationals are dumping lefty first basemen (Ward and Anderson have both played at first this year) and the Braves seem to be hoarding them. Ward likely will be strictly a pinch-hitter. Meanwhile, Anderson can play first, second and third base as well as left and right field for the Dodgers. He can be pretty valuable for them.
I don’t know if the Braves were interested in Anderson, but I think we acquired the wrong Nat.
By Head Coach
September 1, 2006 02:17 AM | Link to this
Joey Devine and Kyle Davies are back on the roster and Baez is nowhere to be found. Aybar , Thorman , Breyan Pena , Prado and Jordan were added but no Gregor Blanco or Will Startup. I’m not suprised and more than a little disappointed.
By Tom A. Hawk
September 1, 2006 02:20 AM | Link to this
He’s not gonna get 92 at-bats with the Braves the way LaRoche is playing. He can get some starts in left field, I guess, platooning with Diaz, but since Diaz is hitting .301 against righties, and Langerhans also is a lefty outfielder who plays better defense than Ward can, why bother?
There’s an outside chance Ward will help the Braves if he happens to get red-hot in September, but chances are this is a nothing deal.
Anderson will get many more opportunities this month to help the Dodgers because he’s a lot more versatile. I like the deal L.A. made.
By Fat Lady smith
September 1, 2006 02:26 AM | Link to this
Nah nah nah nah…nah nah nah nah…hey hey hey…good bye!!…Oh, the Humanity!
By Tom A. Hawk
September 1, 2006 02:34 AM | Link to this
Ward does have good power in his favor, though, and if he goes on a “Gates Brown, 1968” tear here in the last month, it could help a lot. But there’s a reason everybody remembers Gates Brown’s 1968 season, because no bench player’s ever had a better one.
Everyone said Braves ABSOLUTELY had to go 8-1 on this homestand, 7-2 at the least. We took a sweep of the Pirates as a given. So the Braves lose the series to the Pirates and only go 5-4 on the homestand, yet everyone’s still talking about winning the wild card. Get a clue, folks!
At least there’s no more talk of catching the Mets.
By Head Coach
September 1, 2006 02:36 AM | Link to this
Last post for the night , Tom A.Hawk the fat lady sang way back at the end of May and she was right ! As a leadoff hitter Gregor Blanco has hit .290 with a .400 OBP(thats sick) in 506 at bats and has 30 stolen bases and he is rated the best defensive prospect in the Braves organization. What does a guy have to do to get a look in Atlanta ???? GEEEESH !!!
By Kingofqueens
September 1, 2006 02:37 AM | Link to this
LETS GO METS!!
LETS GO METS!!
LETS GO METS!!
By journalist LeTwan jimmy Anthony smith
September 1, 2006 02:49 AM | Link to this
I’m confused,,,pie,,,pie,,,pie,,,oh, the Humanity!
By Tom A. Hawk
September 1, 2006 02:54 AM | Link to this
This will be the road trip from hell. Even KC and Tennessee Paul will drop the facade of optimism after this baby’s done.
Got a dead team flying!
By Carolina Slut
September 1, 2006 03:01 AM | Link to this
Braves “06,,,the “lame duck” season,,,
By Zimmerman
September 1, 2006 06:17 AM | Link to this
Well, I root for a Braves team, baby
Can’t buy a thrill.
Well, I tune in each night,
Got time and hope to kill.
Groan when I see Villareal on the hilllllllllllllll,
And if he don’t blow it,
You know that Ken Ray will.
Don’t Francoeur look bad, mama,
Flailin’ away at three?
Don’t the bullpen look bad, mama,
Gaggin’ away another lead?
Don’t Aybar look bad —
Why’d we trade Bay-ta-meeeeeeeeeeeeeeee?
Lord, the best part of Braves games now
Is gettin’ up to pee.
By David O'Brien
September 1, 2006 07:50 AM | Link to this
Tom, here’s the blog from the airport you were waiting for. But I don’t know why you’d think I’d write this is a season-saving golden trade, or whatever you said.
It’s a minor trade, giving up an injured A-ball pitcher we may or may not have seen pitch for the Braves in 2-3 years (based on his two two rookie-league season and two A-ball seasons, there was nothing to suggest he would be an impact guy) for a veteran pinch-hitter. Nothing more. It’s probably not going to have a very significant effect on the Braves’ chances had in the wild-card race, but if he gets a couple of key pinch-hits, it was worth the minimal cost.
And who cares if he’s 1-for-12 against lefties? Tom, do you understand the role he’s being brought for? I’m not being condescending, just wondering if you actually read the stories or if you understand that teams get guys specifically to hit against right-handers. If he gets two at-bats against lefties, I’d be surprised.
I just ask that you at least read and try to comprehend what was written last night when the trade was made before you start trying to figure out if he’s going to platoon with Diaz or not platoon at 1B and blah blah blah. As was written in the story, the Braves got him TO PINCH-HIT. That’s it. Not to play left field, not to play first base. To pinch hit.
And it’s not too confusing as to why they’d get him when they already have Thorman. Or maybe someone forgot that Thorman is A ROOKIE WITH TWO MONTHS IN THE MAJORS, not exactly the seasoned vet that teams rely on for pinch hits in a playoff race.
And no, again, I’m not of the mind that the Braves are going to win this, or even have a good chance. But they believe they can, and that’s the basis for their moves. Not whether you or I think they can, but they think they can, or at least they’re making moves to try to give themselves a better chance to.
By David O'Brien
September 1, 2006 07:54 AM | Link to this
Oh, and Mr. Zimmerman, the posts rock.
By dadgum
September 1, 2006 07:58 AM | Link to this
Well Ernesto is dropping a ton of rain up here in Richmond as it swirls toward Philly. If the Braves play tonight it will be interesting. Doubt they will.
Very good trade by JS. The signal this sends is that Thorman is definitely gone via trade this off season unless you think it will be Langerhans. This gives us teh backup for Larouche and Diaz. I know he is a lefty glove but I think the platooning days at 1st are over. LaRouche is here to stay whether he faces lefties or righties.
By MEB
September 1, 2006 08:14 AM | Link to this
Carolina Lady… Good morning and I pray all is well. I’m sorry I checked out just after your 12:03 AM post. You know the spirit was willing but the flesh was weak.
Fox News website in their story said there was no major flooding reported so far. Although their photo essay does show a woman kayaking down a street (you don’t kayak do ya?) and cars with water up to their roofs. Major flooding is a relative term, if my car was underwater, I would call it major. There is one pretty cool picture of a guy surfing (maybe it was ncscoots) near the Johnny Mercer Pier at Wrightsville Beach, N.C. This was no little bitty wave neither it had some nice curl to it.
Oh well, be careful outside and please be very careful if you venture out on your roof. Better yet get a pro to look at it. Oh yeah, don’t take in any cute little snakes either as their homes may have been disturbed. You remember the song:
“Take me in oh tender woman, Take me in, for heaven’s sake, Take me in oh tender woman,” sighed the snake
By 22oz
September 1, 2006 08:19 AM | Link to this
Way to jinx LaRoche Dave.
All i can say about last night was that was the definition of an all around team loss. No starting pitching, no bullpen, no hitting. Nobody to point fingers at. San Fran tried to gift wrap that game for us, even after we gave them seven runs, and we sent it back to the return items desk like an unwanted christmas present.
By David O'Brien
September 1, 2006 08:28 AM | Link to this
Dadgum, yes, I doubt there’s a game tonight. And tomorrow’s DH looks very grim.
By the way, wouldn’t read into this anything about Thorman. Ward just coming to pinch-hit rest of season and, in unlikely event they make the postseason, gives them a veteran bat off bench for the playoffs.
Sure could’ve used him last couple of postseasons _ he has a .272 average with 27 homers, 97 RBIs in 475 at-bats at Minute Maid Park.
He’s 16-for-40 (.400) with five doubles and a triple at Turner Field, including two-hit game last week in a start
Gotta go get on this flight.
Homeboy journalist, punching out.
By Braves20
September 1, 2006 08:38 AM | Link to this
JS/HB - Nice trade. We really needed another bat - scored what - about three dozen runs in the last four games? Last night was just a mirror of our season, the bats come back and the bullpen squanders everything we gained so the author goes and gets another bat hoping we can be like the Yankees and Mets and become a beer league team. Seems that it was leather and arms that won 14 straight. Wake up John!
By Steve
September 1, 2006 08:44 AM | Link to this
At least with this we don’t have to see Pete Orr in pinch hitting situations anymore.
By mark
September 1, 2006 08:54 AM | Link to this
I agree with a lot of the positive posts on Adam Laroche. However he’s made a few bad decisions that have really cost the Braves. I’m sure ya’ll know the ones I mean but last night in the 9th with something going he was quoted as saying “I did exactly what I was trying to do, crush something!” In my opinion just trying to get a basehit is a better choice. That moves Francouer to third. 1st and 3rd with 1 out. Orr in for Laroche at 1st. Get Orr to 2nd. 2nd and third with 1 out. Seems a lot better to me than trying to muscle up and crush something, instead hitting into a rally killing/game ending double play. Let it be known I couldn’t watch the game last night so I don’t know if Orr already had been wasted.
By Tom A. Hawk
September 1, 2006 09:13 AM | Link to this
“He’s had an outstanding year pinch-hitting, with power,” said Braves general manager John Schuerholz, who announced the trade shortly after midnight. “ He makes us a lot stronger on the bench.”
Sorry if you think I overreacted or overanalyzed, DOB, but this ridiculous quote John Almighty gave you, coming on the heels of yet another frustrating Braves’ loss and on the eve of a road trip that in all likelihood will end their season, was a little too much to take. I read and comprehend well enough to know you’ve stubbornly defended another bad trade this season, so I fully expected another sunshine-dappled spin on another bad move. And if there’s any chance at all Atilano will be even a serviceable major league pitcher — that he’ll pitch and win even once in the majors, in fact — then this is a bad trade.
And if having a left-handed pinch-hitter with power on the bench is as vital as you make out, maybe JS should valued Betemit a bit more highly.
It goes without saying I’m not anywhere near as knowledgeable as a major league general manager or even a major league beat writer, but I watch the games enough and read well enough to comprehend that this is a trade that would only work out in a bad B-movie.
All season long the Braves’ fans have awaited the typical bold Schuerholz move they’ve come to expect, and all year long they’ve been disappointed. Schuerholz the Great could have gone after David Wells like the Padres did. Wells could have made five or six starts in September; instead, Cox still will be forced to hand the ball to a succession of laughable minor leaguers while Wells will help the Padres stay ahead of the Braves. Schuerholz could have gone after Maddux in July — ask the Dodgers if they’re glad he didn’t: they’re 5-0 in games Maddux has started. Hell, even last night, the Dodgers were trading for another player on Ward’s own team who’ll be more of a difference-maker down the stretch than Ward, with his numerous limitations, will be.
The point you so blithely dismiss (and, by the way, Dave, thanks for not being condescending) is that if Ward is helpless hitting against righties, then any manager with any decent lefthander available in his bullpen in a game of any importance is going to have no problem neutralizing ol’ Daryle the minute he’s announced. Unless Cox enjoys burning two players for one at-bat, then I don’t really see what’s so outstanding about this guy or how he makes the bench so much stronger. The only way he’ll bat in an important spot is if the opposing manager prefers the matchup of his righthanded pitcher against Ward to that of his lefthander against a Braves righty still available on the bench. And if an opposing manager would prefer to have Ward up, then Ward can’t really be that “outstanding,” so why trade for him instead of somebody better, like the players the Padres and Dodgers got last night?
“They believe they can win, and that’s the basis for their moves,” you say. Well, this was a pretty paltry move for John Almighty, especially considering the team’s precarious position. Braves’ fans have been conditioned to expect better from Mr. Built-to-Win.
There were bolder moves to be made and better players to be had if they really believe they can win. But apparently this year, for whatever reason, JS is content to p** on the fans’ legs while you tell them it’s raining.
By Shaun Payne
September 1, 2006 09:43 AM | Link to this
Tom A. Hawk,
You are making way too much of this trade. It may be nothing, but if Ward’s worth only a few runs, it’s probably worth making this trade. But it’s more likely that this trade is to show the team, “hey, we’re still trying to win this thing.”
Sure, Schuerholz could have gone after Wells or Maddux, but you have to give up value to get value. The Braves would have had to give up a good player that is helping them this year or they would have had to sacrifice the future to try to win a long-shot wild card. It would have been unwise to give up what it took to get Maddux or Wells.
You don’t make unwise moves and diguise them as bold.
By Arkansas Hillbilly
September 1, 2006 09:45 AM | Link to this
LaRoche, yet another victim of the Post-DOB Blog funk. 1 for 5 with 6 left on base. DOB, how ‘bout a couple of blogs praising the Phils pitchers before the weekend series (lol). No seriously, I’m just giving you a hard time. I was one of the biggest LaRoche bashers in the South at one time but he has really humbled my opinions. Keep on rockin’ DOB. “Shelter me from the Powder and the Finger. Cover me with the thought that pulled the trigger.”
By tvsportscaster
September 1, 2006 09:46 AM | Link to this
You people b*** and moaning about this trade are unbelievable. Do you even read the information DOB provided in his story about the trade. The man is a pinch-hitter, nothing more, nothing less. He’ll see minimum time if any in the field. And as for spelling the end of Thorman that’s the most ludicrious statement ever. Thorman will probably get the bulk of the starts in leftfield the rest of the season and probably given consideration for the job next season. So the next time you b*** and moan about something get your facts straight and know what you’re talking about.
By Shaun Payne
September 1, 2006 09:47 AM | Link to this
Although he could help a little, the Ward trade is probably a more of a psychological move for the team so the players know the front office still has confidence in them. The Braves didn’t have to give up much, so why not make the trade?
By Rodger
September 1, 2006 09:48 AM | Link to this
TomA
Once a pitcher comes in, he has to face a batter. So in late innings, a situational pitcher brought in would have to face him.
Carolina Lady, Scoots-any word from you guys?
By The Grinch
September 1, 2006 09:50 AM | Link to this
DOB, I can’t help but wonder if you’re ever going to notice these things, so perhaps I’ll point them out. Check the 1:09 AM posts thru the 3:01AM posts (and those two specifically) and…notice ChopThis (Oops, I mean Zimmerman) follows immediately after with another song for you? You only seem to notice the songs, which is his intent, so I thought I’d admonish you to check the IP adress again along with your warning the other day to block it if you saw anything else offensive. Note none of it’s directed at me; just thought I’d be a good Sammaritan. :-)
By Rodger
September 1, 2006 09:56 AM | Link to this
Sorry Tom- The rest of your post (burn 2 players, etc) didn’t show up til after I posted.
By Shaun Payne
September 1, 2006 09:58 AM | Link to this
tvsportscaster,
I’m not as harsh as you, but I agree. The rosters are expanded so Thorman will remain in the majors and get his share of playing time. It’s rediculous to say this is a bad trade when we gave up virtually nothing for a good pinch-hitter/backup OF/1B. Ward probably isn’t going to make the difference, so what’s all the fuss?
People are just itching to blame Schuerholz for whatever they can. Hey, criticize Schuerholz for his real mistakes, not for making minor trades.
By Lew
September 1, 2006 10:09 AM | Link to this
Now TV Sportscaster-Please tone yourself down. People here get all bent out of shape if you hold forceful opinions. You wouldn’t want to harm some person’s fragile psyche, would you. They don’t like to be told to get their facts straight. Quit being such a big meanie.
By Rodger
September 1, 2006 10:13 AM | Link to this
Lew, you got new meds?
By Tom A. Hawk
September 1, 2006 10:14 AM | Link to this
Shaun Payne,
I didn’t make way too much out of this trade. Schuerholz did. Maybe I tried a little too hard to understand why it was being touted as a big deal, which got Schuerholz’s homeboy in the press box all hot and bothered, but I understand fully what a nothing deal it is — unless the pitcher we gave up eventually develops into anything special, which is likely a long way down the road.
And Rodger, my hypothetical obviously deals with a siuation where Ward is announced against a righthander already in the game. The point is Ward is limited, and the deeper into the season we get and the more magnitude that is placed on each game remaining, the more the wheels are gonna be turning against a limited player’s ability to contribute.
tvsportscaster, the fact that Ward is a pinch-hitter and nothing more is exactly what I’m upset about. Yet another limitation. The Braves needed more, and this was their last chance to get it. Too little, too late.
By geauxbraves2000
September 1, 2006 10:17 AM | Link to this
Checked the weather map, looks like the Braves may get tonight off. They could probably use one.
It sure would’ve been nice if they could’ve pulled one off last night, would’ve made the homestand 6-3 which would have been awesome, instead its’ 5-4. Well, at least it was a winning record.
You all have a nice day and let’s play nice :)
Geaux Braves!!
ps - IMO good trade for Ward. The Braves can use a power pinch hitter.
By Lew
September 1, 2006 10:17 AM | Link to this
Grinchie-Please, you’re being very intolerant of other people’s opinions. No hugs for you. You should revel in the vitriol spewed forth by these free spirtits and appreciate only the songs they sing in praise of other bloggers. Not only no hugs, no pie for you either. You’re being a meanie, too. But I know you’re only trying to live up to your tag. Peace, Love and Hugs.
By Lew
September 1, 2006 10:23 AM | Link to this
Grinchie-Please, you’re being very intolerant of other people’s opinions. No hugs for you. You should revel in the vitriol spewed forth by these free spirtits and appreciate only the songs they sing in praise of other bloggers. Not only no hugs, no pie for you either. You’re being a meanie, too. But I know you’re only trying to live up to your tag. Peace, Love and Hugs.
By Zimmerman
September 1, 2006 10:27 AM | Link to this
Once upon a time
You played so fine,
Had the best nine
In the league ev’ry time.
Didn’t you?
Every fall
You’d play for it all.
Fans chopped, had a ball,
‘Til the A.L. stood tall,
Whippin’ you.
You used to win with ease,
All the N.L. Least pretenders were a breeze.
Now your fans don’t chop so much.
Now you don’t play so clutch.
Seems even a lowly wild card you can’t seal.
How does it feel?
Ah, how does it feel?
To know your run is done,
With just one title won.
Much darker days to come,
Like a setting sun.
By Lew
September 1, 2006 10:29 AM | Link to this
Rodger-I have been shown the error of my ways. I’ve been way too opinionated and I’m just not tolerant of others and their right to be wrong. I’m so, so, so sorry. If I’ve ever offended you or anyone else in any way, shape or form, I humbly apologize. It was so, so, so insensitive of me to take such a stand. Please, please’ please forgive me. Peace, love and hugs for all. Let them eat pie. The pie of their choice, of course. I would never want to impose my opinions on their choice of pie. I love everyone. Dogs, Gnats and even worms. Oh, The Joy!
By Shaun Payne
September 1, 2006 10:29 AM | Link to this
Tom A. Hawk,
How do you know Schuerholz made it a big deal? He probably discussed it with the media and pumped it up for, again, psychological reasons. What’s he supposed to say? “We know this trade probably won’t help much if at all, but we did it because we have nothing to lose. We actually wanted Maddux or Wells or somebody better than Daryle Ward.”
Remember the media has to report team news, even minor news, and they are going to quote Schuerholz if he makes a trade. As far as I know, Schuerholz didn’t call a press conference and call in the national media to announce a trade for Daryle Ward. He just commented on it because that’s part of the job. And any GM is going to put the best spin possible on a trade.
By Lew
September 1, 2006 10:35 AM | Link to this
Now ShaunP-You’re being sarcastic. You shouldn’t be like that. People are allowed to think JS has alzheimer’s. It is their blog and constitutional right to have these feelings. It’s not nice to be sarcastic, even if you are right. Please attemp restraint in the future. I know you’re really a very nice person. You wouldn’t want anyone to think you were forceful in your viewpoint. Hugs to you.
By Tom A. Hawk
September 1, 2006 10:35 AM | Link to this
And it’s always best to unquestioningly accept that spin, even when a season is making it’s last swirl down the toilet, than to see that spin for what it is.
By Lew
September 1, 2006 10:40 AM | Link to this
Tom-That’s much better. You’re really beginning to get the point. It IS best to accept the spin. It’s just not nice disagreeing with anyone at all. Thanks for being such a trooper. If only everyone was so accepting, what a wonderful world it would be. Didn’t they write a song about that? Maybe Zimmerman could write new lyrics. He is such a great songwriter. I don’t understand how the Grinch could hold a grudge against such a talented songwriter. Pie for both of you. And hugs, too.
By Braves20
September 1, 2006 10:45 AM | Link to this
“I think it’s raining all over the world.” - Brook Benton
By The Grinch
September 1, 2006 10:46 AM | Link to this
Morning, Lew. You certainly seem to have taken your Sarcazac today. I suppose there’s no point in me trying to help others; my opinions and good deeds go unheeded. I guess maybe if I point things out negatively in verse it might be different. I wonder if we’ve struck upon something here, along the lines of “Music soothes the savage beast.” I wonder if I could write some bad checks on DOB and he’ drop the charges if I wrote him a song? :-) Gotta run; work to be done. Later, All.
By beachcomber
September 1, 2006 10:49 AM | Link to this
Braves 20 - You must live in Philly - or close to me in Florida. This weather is worse than anything we saw during Ernesto. How did everybody in Carolina make out?
By David -ATL
September 1, 2006 10:55 AM | Link to this
DOB- a minor question for you,I suspect you will have some “free time” in Philly. Who was sent down to make room for Ward? I know the rosters expanded as of Sept 1,but technically someone had to go down on paper in order for Ward to be added to the roster on Aug 31. My guess would be a pitcher sent down probably Barry/Franklin then that pitcher will be elgible to rejoin the Braves on Sept 5, when the Minor League Season concludes.I’m sure whom ever was optioned will remain with the club and be elgible to pitch again on Sept 5.
By Lew
September 1, 2006 11:00 AM | Link to this
Now Grinchie-You’re being sarcastic again. You should know by now that just because people are morons, idiots, jacka$$es and fools, you just can’t go telling them. It is so unkind. And never, never, never use stats to prove your point. Not everyone has the time to look up thoses darn stats. I mean, they would have to use a computer to do it. What’s that? You mean you have to have a computer to post here? Well, most people have a life and can’t spend the time to substantiate their outpourings of trades, rumors or other innuendos. They don’t deserve your sarcasm, though. Offer them pie and hugs instead. OH, The Freedom being nice brings you. Why have I rejected it all of these years. Oh, THe Joy. Pie for all. And more hugs.
By Shaun Payne
September 1, 2006 11:02 AM | Link to this
Tom A. Hawk,
Well, spin doesn’t make a difference in the standings so why question it unless the spin is totally off-base? Just take it for what it’s worth and criticize Schuerholz for his actual mistakes. Why criticize him for saying positive things about a very minor trade? I would argue that it’s a good thing that he’s so positive about this trade. If you are itching to criticize him, criticize him for not bolstering the bullpen before the season or something like that.
By Zimmerman
September 1, 2006 11:02 AM | Link to this
Dedicated to The Green One:
While one who sings with his tongue on fire
Gargles in the rat race choir
Bent out of shape from society’s pliers
Cares not to come up any higher
But rather get you down in the hole
That he’s in.
But I mean no harm nor put fault
On anyone that lives in a vault
But it’s alright, Ma, if I can’t please him.
By Jeff
September 1, 2006 11:07 AM | Link to this
LaRoche is talented, and this is only his third season in the majors. Oh, that’s right. These days players are expected to graduate from AAA or AA ball and play in their first season like guys play who’ve been around the league five or six seasons. These days, that especially holds true for pitchers, who are rushed through the minors and then expected to have the skill sets and presence of veteran pitchers. And that’s why a lot of the pitching stinks these days: kids aren’t allowed the time to develop in the bushes. Poor Joey Devine!
LaRoche is a talented guy who, if he had had one or two more seasons in the bushes, would have made his mistakes and learned his lessons there, instead on major league diamonds before unforgiving fans.
By Lew
September 1, 2006 11:09 AM | Link to this
Yes Zimmerman-That’s it. Bent out of shape by society’s pliers. Great lyrics. Well deserving of the pie of your choice. And it’s alright if you can’t please him. Is it really? I’m trying so hard to be tolerant. Please give me more tips. Living in a vault. Is it a bank vault or a tomb. Can you give me a hint? I so much have to know. I do so want to be a productive member of society. Help me please. Hugs to you.
By Rob
September 1, 2006 11:17 AM | Link to this
Was it you or Mark Bradley that opined the Braves had no First Baseman a couple of months ago?
By Brooklyn Braves Brawler
September 1, 2006 11:18 AM | Link to this
I’m really not a Larouche fan but I give him ]his due. He has been a hot hitter since the All-Star Break.
What I do know is that in 2 big spots last night he was up with RISP and he struck out in the 7th and grounded into a double play in the 9th.
By Tom A. Hawk
September 1, 2006 11:24 AM | Link to this
And the night before he had three doubles and a triple.
By mart
September 1, 2006 11:24 AM | Link to this
LaRoche is better than Chambliss and is better than Cepeda. Except for Crime Dog, he’s the best 1st baseman in Atlanta history. Yes, he’s even better than Gallaraga and Willie Montanez.
By Tom A. Hawk
September 1, 2006 11:26 AM | Link to this
I don’t recall which columnist had the gaffe about who’s on first, but I do recall the great Terence Moore writing in May that the Mets could hear footsteps.
By Lew
September 1, 2006 11:27 AM | Link to this
Wait! The possessing entity has left. Gone forever. I no longer have to be nice. I can go back to being my same old opinionated, sarcastic and demeaning self. The joy. The Humanity! Zimmerman tells me it is alright. Yes, Zimmerman. Dylan. The Man Who Would Never Be Sarcastic Or Ironic. Yes, the Humanity! Jeff-It’s about damn time someone put it like you just did. We are playing a bunch of kids, many of whom were in AA last year. LaRoche has shown great power potential ever since coming to the bigs. He has also gotten off to a slow start every season he has played. We get so carried away with day by day performances we forget to look at the big picture or acknowledge that it is a long season. As far as not coming through last night-neither did anyone else in the 8th or 9th. The problem was still pitching, not timely hitting. When you score 6 runs you should win the game. If you don’t it’s the pitchers’ fault.
By Tom A. Hawk
September 1, 2006 11:32 AM | Link to this
Mart, I don’t wish to embarrass you any more than you’ve already embarrassed yourself, but Hank Aaron played mostly at first base for the Braves during the 1971 and 1972 seasons.
By journalist jimmy smith
September 1, 2006 11:33 AM | Link to this
journalist jimmy smith wonders if the shot of chipper standing at the plate watching the umpire signal that ball over the first base bag “fair” wasn’t more embarrassing than anything laroche has done all year in the non-chalance category. now, pie - lew is offering everybody pie and journalist wonders where all the pie will come from. is lew painting pies?
By Lew
September 1, 2006 11:38 AM | Link to this
Esteemed Journalist Jimmy-Yes, Painted Pie is the trend of the future, but only among those who have no clue. Right now, blackberries are in season (and also vitriolic moronic posters-Stinky, I believe you named them/him). I like blackberry pie, despite the seeds. Much like this blog, don’t you think. Some good parts, but always with seeds. That is why the Hartebeest made tooth picks, n’est ce pas?
By No Talent journalist jimmy smith
September 1, 2006 11:45 AM | Link to this
Oh the humanity!
By Del
September 1, 2006 11:50 AM | Link to this
Hey John S —— We need pitching, pitching, and more pitching NOT more bench warmers.
By Lew
September 1, 2006 11:50 AM | Link to this
Yes.The seeds. Later. Peace and Hugs. Seeds I say.
By Snowball's Chance
September 1, 2006 11:51 AM | Link to this
Zimmy going mental
read him on the blog today
zimmy going mental
he’s gone but he won’t go away.
By journalist jimmy smith
September 1, 2006 11:52 AM | Link to this
lew, has a point. “stinky” is a name that can stick with the stinky blogger with many blog names. lew and jimmy smith can handle stinky’s meanness, but now stinky is including carolina lady- again. that’s not nice. it is best to just let stinky blog with stinky and amuse stinky’s self. now, baseball … a lot went wrong last night but mostly it was a pitching issue for the braves. journalist thinks giving up another first round pitcher for this year’s hollandsworth would not be necessary if todd pratt were decent coming off the bench. he is not and js went for another bat.
By Blackjackk
September 1, 2006 11:56 AM | Link to this
DOB - Check out the video for “When the Deal Goes Down” from the new Dylan album. As if the song wasn’t beautiful enough, it also stars Scarlett Johansson.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=iBfTBagpAUY
On the Braves note, good blog about LaRoche. He’s putting up better numbers than Delgado and is alot younger plus a better fielder. Everyone gets worked up about his relaxed style just like people who have gotten worked up about Andruw’s style for years. That’s why people remember a blown play b/c it looks like he is too easygoing and unemotional. Who cares? The big knock was against lefties and he has shown he can hit em hard now. Glad to hear he is a positive influence in the clubhouse - that’s all that matters when it comes to his demeanor as long as he produces
By Brad
September 1, 2006 12:19 PM | Link to this
At least the team isn’t giving up. Who knows, maybe going out and making a minor move for a veteran bat will motivate the team a little bit and give them a little boost since management seems to think they have a shot now too….Crazier things have happenend.
By h8-da-braves
September 1, 2006 12:30 PM | Link to this
OK brave fans here’s the deal. By the time you leave Philly and New York you’ll be back to 7 games out of the wild card. I know your shi$^*@t doesn’t stink because you won 14 straight but by the time you play the Mets again at the end of Sept it will all be all over and a new dawn will arrive. LETS GO METS!!!!
By Bane
September 1, 2006 12:33 PM | Link to this
I have the answer, AJC should require bloggers pay for this site($ per comment)—then the paying customers would have the right to demand other bloggers be blocked for comments not to their liking—and most of this self-aggrandizement and foolish drivel would cease!
By Georgetown Kid
September 1, 2006 12:40 PM | Link to this
Is it just me, or has Chipper completely choked in the clutch several times in the past few series?
Also, when the last two games are juxtaposed, it could seem to appear as though many of the Braves’ hitters inflate their stats by having big hits in meaningless games, such as Andrew hitting two homers and Adam going 4 for 4 in a game that was already won, while choking in a game in which timely hits were desperately needed.
By TennesseePaul
September 1, 2006 12:50 PM | Link to this
I went to the Chili Peppers concert last night. What a show those guys put on. Just amazing. They’d play a song, then jam for about 15 minutes. Mind blowing.
Tough game last night. I was hoping Smoltz would pull it out. But I’m not dissapointed. You can’t win them all. And 4 out of the last 5 is a good stretch to build on. If the Braves play .800 ball the rest of the way, then all will be well. It’d put them over .500. I’m hoping they can do it. .500 or better would be nice. That’d be 16 seasons in a row of .500 or better. I haven’t checked the record books on that, but it’s gotta be up there among the longest ever.
GO BRAVES
By Shaun Payne
September 1, 2006 01:00 PM | Link to this
Georgetown Kid,
I’m not sure Chipper’s choked in clutch situations, but if he has, he’s still produced enough runs and has helped us win enough in other situations.
The offense isn’t really a problem for this team. The one offensive weakness is Francouer and his .708 out percentage in 568 plate appearances.
(I’m not saying trade Francouer or I don’t like him. I’m just saying he’s not ready offensively. Just wanted to make that clear because I know where this is going to go.)
By David O'Brien
September 1, 2006 01:03 PM | Link to this
No move was announced, but I think it’ll be Frankline to DL with “back injury,” at least that’s what Bobby said after he gave up that homer last night. By DLing him, they wouldn’t have had to designate anyone, etc
Tom A, I really don’t see your points, my man. Nothing personal. It’s just that this is a minor trade that cost relatively nothing. Do you know the percentage of 21-year-old A-ball pitchers who’ve spent two seasons in rookie ball and two in A-ball making it to the majors some day and making an impact? Neither do I, but low. The percentage of ANY minor leaguer making it to the majors is low, even sandwich picks between first and second round.
But anyway … what’s the “limitation” that Ward puts on the team. Rosters are expanded, they’re not even going to use all the spots they can have on the major league team in September. If they didn’t trade for him, it’d just be one less bat in the dugout, nothing more. But in his case, he becomes their primary pinch-hitter, because their best two pinch-hitters for most of the season, Betemit and Diaz, are now gone or platooning in left field. Orr’s their best pinch-hitter right now. And you don’t think they needed another?
Anyway … what’s your point about wasting two guys late? That’s what managers do, play chess games, make the other guy switch pitchers, etc. And in September, when rosters are expanded, how can it not be of some help to have another experienced pinch hitter? Nevermind what else they might have done or should have done (I agree, as I said two weeks ago, they should have gone after Livan and Conine, among others. I wrote that repeatedly).
Point is, they screwed up (in my opinion) and didn’t do those things. But they did do this one thing, and the fact they didn’t make other moves doesn’t make this one a bad one.
And seriously, you and a couple other guys with the “spin” stuff. Again and again, spin. What is a GM supposed to say after making a trade, that it’s a bad deal or an insignificant deal and we just did it to shut people up? What GM has ever characterized a deal he made as anything but good or great minutes after consummating said deal? That’s just reality, man. Do you not want me to quote the GM about the deal?
And when I’m asked by my boss or other fans what Schuerholz said, I should just say, he said it was qreat deal, so I decided not to use his quote, because Tom and myself disagreed?
By TennesseePaul
September 1, 2006 01:03 PM | Link to this
Unfortunately, this season has presented more clutch situations than normal. We play more 1 run games than anyone else. It gives ample time for every player to choke in the clutch. But, it highlights more how much the pitchers are choking in the clutch. The Braves scored 6 last night. From 1991 to 2000 that was enough to win.
By Shaun Payne
September 1, 2006 01:12 PM | Link to this
Tennessee Paul,
Good point. Our one-run losses are because of the bullpen and just plain ol’ bad luck. Winning one-run games hasn’t been proven to be a repeatable skill, which seems to indicate that it has nothing to do with a team’s acutal abilities.
By TennesseePaul
September 1, 2006 01:14 PM | Link to this
It’d be funny to hear. JS makes a trade, holds a press conference and proceeds to spell out how he gave away the future Roger Clemons for a 1 month rental wash up. JS: “Probably the worst trade I’ve ever made. And that includes Kolb. I knew it the whole time but just couldn’t stop my self. If you need me I’ll be at the bar.” Everyone would just sit there with their mouths open. What do you say to that? lol. HA!
But I don’t see how this is a bad deal. We traded a nobody catcher, that was praised. Now we trade a nobody pitcher and it’s question. Let me re-phrase that, we trade an injured nobody pitcher.
By SaltyDog55
September 1, 2006 01:16 PM | Link to this
DOB
Franklin’s back injury? Whiplash?
By Shaun Payne
September 1, 2006 01:17 PM | Link to this
And seriously, you and a couple other guys with the “spin” stuff. Again and again, spin. What is a GM supposed to say after making a trade, that it’s a bad deal or an insignificant deal and we just did it to shut people up? What GM has ever characterized a deal he made as anything but good or great minutes after consummating said deal? That’s just reality, man. Do you not want me to quote the GM about the deal?
Amen, David! Take “spin” for what it’s worth, folks.
By TennesseePaul
September 1, 2006 01:19 PM | Link to this
We’ve lost 21 games in which we’ve scored 5 or more runs. 21. 9 of those games have been 1 run games.
By Shaun Payne
September 1, 2006 01:24 PM | Link to this
Even if it is spin, what do we have to lose trading an injured minor league pitcher for a proven, solid pinch-hitter? I’ve heard someone say there is no such thing as a pitching prospect because most pitchers don’t pan out anyway. Does that mean you should just trade all your good minor league pitchers for veteran bats? No. But trading a young pitcher that hasn’t really done much and who has been injured for a good veteran bat isn’t a bad move at all.
By paluka
September 1, 2006 01:24 PM | Link to this
How can anyone say that acquiring Daryl Ward is a mistake or bad trade, when JS gave up next to nothing? Ward has the ability to either tie a game or win a game with one swing and Atlanta has nothing like that on their bench.
By SaltyDog55
September 1, 2006 01:25 PM | Link to this
TPaul That is a very telling stat…wow!
By Lew
September 1, 2006 01:27 PM | Link to this
Yes, Georgetown Kid-I’m sure Chipper and all the rest of the Braves intentionally hit meaningless Hr and choke in the clutch because they like it. Yes, you must be right. See, the new improved Lew agrees. No dissension here. A new day has dawned. Peace, Love and less productive at bats for all. The Mets fans are overjoyed.
By David O'Brien
September 1, 2006 01:29 PM | Link to this
TennPaul, exactly right. I realize that you, Shaun, and most of our other regulars understand this is really a no-lose proposition, even if it’s just a relatively minor deal.
Just gets frustrating trying to explain why you need to quote the GM or the manager after a trade. You’d think they were trying to use mind control to take over the city, judging from the serious danger that some attach to their “spin.”
I guess all reporters should stop quoting politicians, coaches, athletes, anyone who says something that we see as “spin” or insincere.
Although, as I stated before, in this case, I do think it was a good deal, considering how little they gave up to get him. Not a huge deal, which would have been preferable at this stage, but a good deal nonetheless.
By geauxbraves2000
September 1, 2006 01:32 PM | Link to this
10Paul, I had no idea the Braves have lost that many after scoring 5 or more. That just shouldn’t be. Just a couple of decent pitchers and a closer from the beginning and I think this team would be at the very least competing with Mets. Actually, the Mets would be probably be trying to play catch up. Oh well, that’s just not how it is, and I can accept that. As each day goes by, my acceptance of a postseason without the Braves is getting a little easier. There’s still a chance, but it’s a very high hill to climb. Nonetheless,
Geaux Braves!!
By Shaun Payne
September 1, 2006 01:34 PM | Link to this
Another statement from me, the self-important ranter:
The evidence and stats show that there seems to be little to no evidence for an ability to hit better in clutch situations.
Here’s some work on the subject:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=betweenthenumbers/ortiz/060405
By geauxbraves2000
September 1, 2006 01:39 PM | Link to this
With the lack of a better word, it’s kind of a neat story, the Daryle Ward trade. My parents live in LaPlace, LA, which is just outside of New Orleans. Well, back when the NO Zephyrs were Houston’s AAA team, my parents had weekend season tickets (or whatever) to the games, and Daryle Ward was on that team and they got to know him and his family. So, not only is this a good trade for the Braves, it’s “neat” to see him on my favorite team now.
That’s all.
Geaux Braves!!
By Train Wreck Bystander
September 1, 2006 01:39 PM | Link to this
Well I suppose optimism is nice, but there is no way in Hades this Braves is going to the postseason… unless they buy tickets like the rest of us.
Kudos to Smoltzie for pointing the finger at the baseballs, though. I was laughing despite myself at that clip of him taking one to Cox.
GMAFB.
By Lew
September 1, 2006 01:43 PM | Link to this
Shaun P.-Yes, stats back up your contention. Be careful-The blog police don’t like stats telling them they are wrong. Apparently not everyone has time to look up stats-They told me. Thank you for adding links to save them time. That is very thoughtful of you. You get pie. But stats or no stats, people just KNOW that non-clutch hitting is intentional. Actually, I have never thought you to be self important or a ranter. But what do I know? The old Lew was intolerant and dismissive of other’s opinions, no matter how stupid said opinions were. Keep posting. You may have something to say, no matter what Stinky thinks. Hugs. Pie and Peace.
By Lew
September 1, 2006 01:50 PM | Link to this
Train Wreck-Yes it must be the balls. If not the balls, intentional choking at bat is to blame. Or maybe because the moon is in the house of the Moose with Aquarius rising. Or maybe it has been Smoltz all along. All of his comments must have been meant to undermine the Braves success. He must be on the Mets payroll. Yes, opinions, no matter how flipping stupid must be agreed to or Stinky will get you. Oh yes. We must beware and agree.
By Dog the Bounty Hunter
September 1, 2006 02:03 PM | Link to this
Lewie, what gotten into you today? Hittin’ the sauce a little early today or what?
By Bravo Nam
September 1, 2006 02:05 PM | Link to this
I’ve been a reader of this blog for a long time, but tonight is the first time I’ve posted a blog. I live in Vietnam, am Australian, and have followed the Braves since I lived in Hot Lanta in 1974, when I was 7. Just a few thoughts:
DOB- Many thanks for your commitment to the Braves fans/bloggers. Why is it that DOB has about 10 times more posts to his blog than any other writer? Simple- he provides “inside” info and perceptive thoughts that the other AJC writers fail to match in their unbelievably superficial blogs; he is the only one who responds to our questions and interacts with us; and, is positive and supportive of the Bravos while giving them a boot up the ar**se when they truly deserve it. Much appreciated DOB. Like some writers, in the early part I didn’t much like so much emphasis on music (even though I love it)…but I’ve come to appreciate that it is one of the things that makes DOB’s colourful and enjoyable…so in that spirit, DOB, would you agree- Harry Chapin, Badfinger and Poco- three highly under-rated artists or what?
Most AJC sports writers- until this year, I felt that many fans were unfairly critical of writers such as Moore, Schultz, Bradley etc- I actually thought that they usually put together good pieces. But, I have to say, this past year they’ve all produced more gutter journalism than is believable- often contradicting themselves and making asinine arguments- it seems to me that there has been some sort of policy shift, and if so the AJC better turn it around quickly, as it is simply undermining the credibility of the paper.
John Schuerholz- There has been a lot of vitriole and nasty, unwarranted sutff said about JS- I think a lot of us have forgotten the overall picture and too often focus on the parts- what this guy has done and continues to do for this organisation is unprecedented in professional sport- and let’s not forget that as judged by his peers, he is regarded as the best in the business. Yes, he’s made mistakes in the past year, and again this year, but so has every other GM out there- without the sustained excellence!If there is one criticism of JS it is that his communications with his own players could be a lot better- I have no problems with him not being prepared to negotiate contracts in season or putting guys out on waiver- what I do have a problem with is when he doesn’t take his players aside (like Andruw and Smoltz) and let them know, off the record, what’s happening.
Bobby Cox- The bashing of Bobby Cox also irritates me- bottom line for all those who think there are better managers out there- as voted by his peers and players throughout the league, he is the best! And if that means nothing to you…and if you think he is over-rated and hopeless…one indisputable fact that will sink his bashers every time…there is not one GM in baseball, and probably professional sport, whom players love and play as hard for as BC…and in my reckoning, this is the main reason why, even during years when our teams were average, that we still made the finals.
Atlanta Braves- A number of writers have made comments such as: “if the Braves trade such and such, I’ll never follow them again” or “if they do this and that, I’ll cut my ties with them”- to all of you, you are fakes…we have been spoilt rotten by the success of this team, and now when things aren’t going so well it seems some of us want to pack up our toys and run off home-pathetic!
Don “Betemit Warrior”- Mate, you’re a fair dinkum sheila. No bones about it…WB is a great guy and good player, but don’t shove it up JS’s ass coz you think he took away your favourite toy…this is about the Braves…not one player…and until you and all those who covet a player over the team realize this, you’ll always be fairweather fans.
Robert (Justice is Best)- One of the few bloggers who doesn’t ever let colour get in the way of what he believes is right for the team (even though he is black). Love your passion, love your creativity (even when it’s a bit way out there), love your genuine loyalty of the Braves.
Mutts fans- Those of you who come on to this blog are pitiful little wimps…Mama boys…where were you the past 14 years? I wouldn’t know a Mutts blog if I fell over it- why- coz I don’t need to go and sh*at on your parade to know that my team is the best!
Black/white players- Those bloggers who accuse the Braves of racist practices in terms of team make-up are the real racists here…totally moronic accusations…I have never once heard a player of colour complain that BC or JS are racist.
Smoltz as closer- It is just ludicrous the number of people who keep bringing this up. The man has said (only about 20 million to the power of 20 million) that he doesn’t want to be a closer, for a start, and secondly, he is a much greater asset as a starter, particularly on those occasions once we reach the playoffs.
Team meetings- A few bloggers have mentioned the lack of team meetings this year and been howled down…but acutally, whenever the Braves have had team meetings in the past, they nearly always result in much better performances. I am surprised that there has been maybe only one or two this year.
Chipper- In recent years he has been hurt a lot, but nevertheless his numbers during those times considering the amount of time he’s missed have been very good. Those who bash the guy need to remember that he is the only player I can recall in recent years (DOB please correct me) who has taken the initiative of going to TM and asking for a salary restructure that takes money away from him and gives it to the team- some of you may not like his seemingly arrogant attitude, but he is one of the few players who truly puts the team first.
HoRam- Great potential and has played some great games, but I fear injuries will always be his achilles heel. The Braves have been hamstrung by injuries for too long now- while is trade value is still good- I think the Braves need to trade in the winter.
Playoffs? Given what this team has done, in terms of overall success, over the past 14 years, I think we all need to get behind them and believe in them during this wild card push- isn’t that what being a true fan is all about?
By Rodger
September 1, 2006 02:12 PM | Link to this
I’m not sure Chipper’s choked in clutch situations, but if he has, he’s still produced enough runs and has helped us win enough in other situations.
Shaun, do I see YOU reference producing runs? The apocolypse is upon us!
By h8-da-braves
September 1, 2006 02:12 PM | Link to this
REALITY CHECK…….. Mets 82-50 Phillies 67-66…15 1/2 Marlins 65-68…17 1/2 braves 63-69…19 Nationals 56-77…26 1/2
WILD CARD
Padres Phillies…1 Reds…….1 1/2 Astros…..2 1/2 Giants…..2 1/2 Marlins….3 D-Backs….4 braves….4 1/2
OK now lets hear some more IFS’S and MAYBE’S
By Shaun Payne
September 1, 2006 02:16 PM | Link to this
Intentionality doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with ability. I’m sure Neifi Perez doesn’t intend to be a bad hitter.
The numbers show coming through in the clutch isn’t really a skill. All things being equal, given enough plate appearances one hitter is just as likely to perform in clutch situations as another. Being a clutch hitter is not like being a homerun hitter; there is no innate ability to hit in clutch situations. (There may be good situational hitters—hitters with good bad control and discipline. But that’s not the same as clutch hitting.)
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=betweenthenumbers/ortiz/060405
By Shaun Payne
September 1, 2006 02:19 PM | Link to this
Rodger,
Yes. Runs Created:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runs_created
You can find the league leaders in runs created on espn.com among other websites.
By David O'Brien
September 1, 2006 02:23 PM | Link to this
BRAVO NAM _ Bravo, INDEED! Damn, take out the kudos to myself and that’s a fan-freakin’-tastic blog, my man. Wow. I’m genuinely and utterly impressed. Thoughtful, logical, insightful … look out, man. You need to throw some emotional rants in there or something, say what an idiot all of us are for thinking Cox is actually a good manager. Otherwise, you’re going to be perceived as some kind of homer, dude.
Anyway, great post. Please keep ‘em coming.
Folks, I gotta get out to the rain-soaked park to see how many hours we’re going to sit and wait before tonight’s game gets banged.
I’ll try to get a new blog posted after I get out there, to let you guys know anything new about the game status, callups, etc.
By Lew
September 1, 2006 02:28 PM | Link to this
Bravo-You better be careful, dude. You make way too much sense for some of this blog’s denizens. Thanks for putting a realistic take on everything. I agree with almost everything you say. Thoughtful and insightful. Definitely Pie for you. ShaunP-The runs created stat is one of the best, most overlooked stats in use today. I think it is much more indicative of a hitter’s worth than OBP alone.
By AZBravoFan
September 1, 2006 02:31 PM | Link to this
Time to forget about everything that’s gone on up to now. Reitsma and the horrible pen, poor starting pitching, lack of clutch hitting at times, Frenchy’s OBP, LaRoche’s gaffes, HomeboyGate, all of that. None of it matters now. It’s Sept. 1, and the only thing we loyal fans can cling to is that the post-season starts tonight(weather-permitting). Since October is a long-shot, we have to look at this as our NLDS, because effectively that’s what it is. It’s just as important in determining if they get to keep playing meaningful games.
That said, I know we’ve probably said that 20 times in the past month, but thanks to a terrible NL Wildcard field, we’re still here. And maybe they’ll go 4-3 or 3-4 on this trip and still only be 4-5 games out. Then we’ll say it again for the next series. But as long as they’re drafting off the field at 3-4 back or so and the magic number for the leader is not 0, you can’t pack it in. 3 games can be made up in a weekend. Teams out of the race can do crazy things when there’s no pressure. You never know what to expect from September call-ups (remember K-Rod?) So while my expectations are still pretty low, I’m gonna cheer like crazy, scoreboard watch like crazy, and dive in like it’s the playoffs. Might end up being even more exciting.
By Arkansas Hillbilly
September 1, 2006 02:35 PM | Link to this
Bravo Nam. You have just summed up every thought about the Braves that has went through my mind this season. Will somebody please give BN a gold star? This bud’s for you NAM.
I was a junk man selling you cars
washing your windows and shining your stars
thinking your mind was my own in a dream
what would you wonder and how would it seem
living in castles a bit at time
the king started laughing and talking in ryhmes
singing words, words between the lines of age…
By MBATL
September 1, 2006 02:35 PM | Link to this
Bravo Nam, I second DOB’s kudos on your great post. Since it’s ‘what I do’ I must take exception with your comment about Robert JIB… RJIB is fine poster, no question, but I don’t think “most” bloggers here let race interfere with their views of the Braves. We do get those crazies once in a while who play the race card, but for the most part it’s a non-issue, I’m happy to say.
But, great points overall… thanks for the effort!
By Rodger
September 1, 2006 02:41 PM | Link to this
Shaun
Thanks. Now thats something I think i can hang my hat on.
By Louis Vales
September 1, 2006 02:45 PM | Link to this
Smoltz, Put a lot of pressure on yourself when you go against your persona and label the boss a “Homeboy”. It wasn’t really an appropriate thing to do and especially when I would almost bet the other JS can’t spend Time Warner’s money without their permission. Homeboy???? Unbelievable!!!!
By Bravo Nam
September 1, 2006 02:52 PM | Link to this
MBATL- good point- it was a long post and got a bit lazy- instead of saying “one of the few bloggers”, I meant to say “one blogger who”- if you notice though, at No9, when talking about race, I simply write: “those bloggers.”
Off to bed…2am here…have to go out to Hai Duong Province in the morning.
Let’s hope one of the Bravos does a Roy Hobbs impression if play gets underway tonite!
By tyyosh
September 1, 2006 02:58 PM | Link to this
TennPaul, Also, I believe that this makes 12 losses this year where they scored 6 or more runs (I did a manual count on espn.com a while back). I think in 2005 there were 8 losses where they scored 6+.
By David O'Brien
September 1, 2006 03:23 PM | Link to this
Hearing conflicting reports here, folks, but the security cop at the parking lot told me they’re going to bang this thing at 4 p.m.
Then I get in here and the pressbox workers and stadium employees are setting up, etc.
I say the security cop knows the score. I’m betting it’s rained out at 4 p.m. Weather is slowly getting worse here, windier and rain starting.
By Rodger
September 1, 2006 03:38 PM | Link to this
Any word from Carolina Lady or ncscoots? Hope they are making out OK.
By Lew
September 1, 2006 04:08 PM | Link to this
Rodger-I emailed her earlier and there has been no reply yet. Whether or not this is because of electrical failure, or just getting Mom to a Doctor’s appt., I’m not sure. At ten last night she emailed me and told me the lights were flickering. That’s the last I heard, but she may have posted later.
By Mets and Marlins
September 1, 2006 04:43 PM | Link to this
Ok, please somebody wake me up!!!! Adam LaRoche the reason why the Braves are in the wild-card? News Flash, Adam LaRoche SUCKS!!! TWICE!!!!! What has he done, nothing!!! So he hits a couple of home-runs, big deal! Talk to me when the braves needed him to step up when Chipper Jones got hurt? Where was he. Andruw Jones alwayz does his thing. When will the braves learn that baseball is a worlds sport. Look at the Mets It took them a minute but they are going to dethrone the brave, and to makr matters worse, The MARLINS are in the wild card. They lend the Mets Delgado and still have a better record than the braves. So go right ahead and let the Red Soxs or Yankees get Andruw Jones because the braves are going to give LaRoche a big contract that they will regret. LaRoche is ok, put he is not even a role player. HE SUCKSSSS!!!!!!!
By TennesseePaul
September 1, 2006 04:43 PM | Link to this
tyyosh: That is correct. Of those 12, 4 were 1 run losses.
By rammerjammer
September 1, 2006 04:50 PM | Link to this
With the game postponed, will Villareal replace Cormier as the game two starter tomorrow? This could be a break.
By Greg
September 1, 2006 04:57 PM | Link to this
DOB
How is this one going to be made up?
Stay dry.
By David O'Brien
September 1, 2006 05:45 PM | Link to this
New blog posted with rainout info, etc.
Daryle Ward stuck in traffic between here and D.C., so no interview with newest Braves tomrrow (I know you were all holding your breath).
Two doubleheaders Saturday and Sunday is tentative plan, but all depends on weather. I put pitching plans, etc in new blog.
Braves will have to have someone go on short rest in New York if they pull this off, the two DHs in two days.
By David
September 7, 2006 11:34 AM | Link to this
Hopefully, sooner rather than later the Braves will retool and reload the talent pool with new players, new acquisitions and a fresh new management team. I’m am hopeful, also, that Bobby Cox, John Shuerholtz, John Smoltz, Chipper and Andrew Jones, and the rest of that pathetic team will be replaced by players who truly care about performing up to their capabilities. You can tell from the Braves performances over this season that they truly could care less about whether or not they win. All that those aforementioned people were concerned about was getting a big fat paycheck and going through the motions of mediocrity. I will not, cannot and will never, ever watch the Braves again as long as I live. It has been a wonderful 14 years, but the the magic carpet ride of divisional championships came to an abrupt end yesterday afternoon with a thorough beat down of a double-header from the New York Mets of all people. What a way to go out—a complete loser!