Braves

By Vol

July 13, 2006 08:28 AM | Link to this

When did they start giving two days off after the All Star break? Hasn’t it always been the day before and the day after?

It is time for Hudson and Smoltz to shine. They can get us off on a 2-0 start.

By KC

July 13, 2006 08:29 AM | Link to this

This will be a huge test for Huddy. If we get a big start from him tomorrow against one of the best pitchers in the league right now… that will be a very, very good sign. Obviously, we need the real Tim Hudson from here on out if Atlanta is going to make a wild card run. Here’s hoping.

By Scarlett Begonia

July 13, 2006 08:32 AM | Link to this

Hate to be the bearer of bad news but Braves’ problems will continue in 2nd half. Doesn’t what the other NL teams are doing.

Month and a half before FALCONS open!

By KC

July 13, 2006 08:52 AM | Link to this

Scarlett… continue? First of all, they’re not struggling. In fact they’re plaing quite well. Why are you so certain that they will tank in the 2nd half? You certainly couldn’t be basing that on history, or on the way they’ve played lately… so why then?

By KC

July 13, 2006 08:53 AM | Link to this

“A month and a half before FALCONS open!”

Yeah, there’s a team we can count on not to choke.

By John

July 13, 2006 08:57 AM | Link to this

Scarlett, good job of thinking positive. Obviously you didn’t see the last two weeks of the first half. It’s pretty obvious the Braves have gotten out of their June funk and back to the winning ways of May. Falcons…I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but their problems of last year will continue into this year. Wake up! The Braves will make the playoffs…count on it.

By JasonInMaine

July 13, 2006 09:03 AM | Link to this

JS still needs to make a move. I like that the Astros are being aggressive. I don’t care how the road trip goes unless we get help in the…bullpen…and in the…bullpen…and in the bullpen…

By joel marable

July 13, 2006 09:19 AM | Link to this

If we only have Sosa and Ray to close,we should close the season,we need to make a deal.adam laroach or langerhans for a stopper, we have the kid thorman to play either spot.oh yea i think the braves are alergic to speed, giles as leadoff, get serious.

By KC

July 13, 2006 09:26 AM | Link to this

Joel: It would ne nice to get a proven closer, but there really aren’t any available right now. There are still too many teams that consider themselves in the race, either for their division or for a wild card.

Tom Gordon might be available before the deadline, but the Phillies are going to want a lot more in return than Laroche and/or Langerhanz. They would probably want a package to include Wilson Betemit, one of our top pitching prospects, and a couple more mid-level prospects. There will be no Blue-Light Special on closers if in fact there are any up for sale at all.

By Hal

July 13, 2006 09:28 AM | Link to this

I think some people are missing the point here!.The point being that yes,the 8 teams ahead of the Braves are pretty mediocre .The point also being that there ahead of the Braves sooo im not sure that makes the Bravos the ‘27 yankees.That being said i agree theres a small chance we could make a run but totally agree with Jason .Fix the damn bull pen before it blows up AGAIN….and it will with the present crew!

By Bob, journalist

July 13, 2006 09:28 AM | Link to this

I’m envious … up until the wee hours, at least for most … then back up before or at the crack of dawn so as to get to the Aeroport Atlanta. All that and an intelligible post too … now that’s what I call impressive stats … it’s good to see that youth is not always wasted on the young.

The only problems with receiving the new topic so early are the recovery from the shock to the system … and having to remember to go back and read last night’s profferings … some good stuff there.

My wife has hidden the coffee in hopes that I’ll go back to sleep. Hopefully, someone will wake me up tomorrow in time to see if our youngsters are wide awake and up to the task at hand.

By Head Coach

July 13, 2006 09:29 AM | Link to this

Thanks for the new Blog , David. It will be interesting too see how we stack up against great pitching.

By Suds

July 13, 2006 09:33 AM | Link to this

JasoninMaine is right on the mark. Look at the Braves defensively. Not a single position that is filled by a player who can’t contribute mightily in the playoffs. Offensively, except for Giles in the leadoff spot - and he’s starting to look more comfortable at that - there’s alot of pop all the way down the lineup. Name another team that can throw a 6th and 7th man in better than Frenchy and LaRoche. The starters have geled, except for Thompson but who needs a fifth starter in October. With the addition of James and with Davies coming back that may not even be a concern then. It’s the bullpen that has 16 blown saves and without a little magic from JS, none of the above will amount to a hill of beans. No team is going to come back from 6 1/2 games down, or go far in the playoffs, without a bone fide closer. We’ve got plenty of stock down on the farm at SS and 3B; let’s get some bullpen help and make a run in the second half. I still think the Mets are catchable, but the WC is there to be had with the right addition.

By joel marable

July 13, 2006 09:35 AM | Link to this

kc -u sometimes have to make a guy a closer from someone else’s bullpen like there setup man or just a guy whose been looking good all year for a club.or go to someones farm system and make a deal or give your own system a try.anything beats letting sosa and ray lose games for smoltz and the braves.trying something beats doing nothing. dont give me that nobody is out there bull, yankees owner does not play by those rules, those are rules of losers or a quitter.

By Charleston Brave

July 13, 2006 09:44 AM | Link to this

I think with the bats alive like they are now, SD pitching won’t have a chance. We squeaked by with a couple wins at the start of the season. We’ll blow by them this weekend. I won’t say 3-0 but series win definitely.

We need another ultimatum from Smoltzie! Come on say 8-2 again b/c I’ll take 7-3 on this road trip any day.

By Tom

July 13, 2006 09:48 AM | Link to this

Definitely going to be a fun 2nd half. When’s the last time we cared about baseball when college football started???? We will this year.

I can see Schuerholz going after 3 guys on the trade front to take care of this bullpen cancer we have.

1) Chad Cordero: On a bad team with a bad GM that has no direction. He’s not having the year he had last year but he’s still very young and very talented. Oh yeah, and very cheap. (minimum???)

2) Rafael Soriano: He’s had some injuries but is looking good this year and is a setup guy for a bad team looking to get better. They have a young closer so he could be expendable. He’s also cheap and has the ability to strikeout a few in the 9th, which is what you need a closer to do.

3) If nothing else happens, I could definitely see a small, 11th hour deal for Roberto Hernandez of Pittsburgh. He’s not what he used to be but he’s definitely no Joe Borowski, either. He’s actually been rejuvenated the last couple years and we’ve had him before. He’s on a horrible team, is not expensive (I’m thinking $1 mil. a year but could be wrong), and has some history as a closer in his past. It wouldn’t take much of a prospect to net him, either.

Thoughts, DOB???

By Dr. Jesse

July 13, 2006 09:54 AM | Link to this

There is no greater test of the makings of a team than the second half push. I have been a close follower of the Braves since the days of Darrell, Hank and Dusty every third inning. Can anyone imagine how far Jeff Bouroughs could have hit them had he been on the “juice”. “It’s high and deep, the question is did he get enough?”, Milo would say.

They need to be intense all the way to the wire. That would be the only chance these Braves have at winning the whole darn thing. Bobby lets up when they close it out early and cannot will them to crank up on a short run. Winning series works unless you cannot lose even one…as in the playoffs.

Either way, I cannot get enough of the Braves. I only wish they had seats for fat ex jocks like me. 17 inches just will not do it. This could be the year for something really special. Never give up!!

By NYFAN

July 13, 2006 10:03 AM | Link to this

Prediction: the braves go 3-6 to open the 2nd half of the season.

By ZB Pike

July 13, 2006 10:03 AM | Link to this

Look for smoltz and Hudson to throw complete games this weekend…that will be the only chance we have…unless we can put up 8 runs in each game!

By teoa

July 13, 2006 10:07 AM | Link to this

Nice blog, DOB. Check out the new Gram Parsons documentary too if you get a chance…good stuff.

By Greg from TN

July 13, 2006 10:17 AM | Link to this

JS will make a move if and when we can get bullpen help and not have to give up the farm. KC is right on the money, nobody has been wanting to trade as of yet because there are too many teams that feel they are still in it. Making a move just to make a move won’t fix a thing. I am sure the Brewers would talk to anyone on Danny Kolb, anybody want that type of experience again?

By Lew

July 13, 2006 10:25 AM | Link to this

Joel- You just told KC not to give you that “There’s no one out there” bull. Dude, we’ve been discussing this subject on this site for weeks now. We’ve even had the professional insight of DOB (Dave we would never minimize you). Just who do you think we should go out and get for a first baseman everyone disses at the best of times and a left fielder Braves’ fans call a defensive substitute? Get real my friend. The best possibility we’ve been able to come up with is Bob Wickman. Wow. Bob Wickman. Now theres a lights out closer if ever I saw one. When KC tells you there’s no one out there, he has a clue, believe me. Go Death Ray!

By Bob, journalist

July 13, 2006 10:27 AM | Link to this

NYFAN, when did you make that prediction? I like mine better … 7-2. The second half has started out pretty well … currently we’re 6-2 and I look for my prediction to be realized tomorrow night.

Perhaps you need HK to help you with your projections … I’ll try with the math: 162 / 2 = 81.

By Lew

July 13, 2006 10:32 AM | Link to this

Now, now, Bob, journalist. You’re being extraordinarily literal with your season divisional math. You are dealing with NYFAN. You don’t want to warp his delicate senabilities, do you? Every NY fan knows that the All Star game marks the half-way point of the season, math notwithstanding. Please don’t confuse the poor boy. I sure do hope Hudson is on his A game, though.

By NYFAN

July 13, 2006 10:32 AM | Link to this

Traditionaly the All Star game is the half way point of the season. I know it doesn’t always end right at 81 games wiseass.

By BB FAN

July 13, 2006 10:33 AM | Link to this

NYFAN,

Prediction: Pedro throws out his arm, Glavine pitches like he did 2 years ago, Delgado continues to slump, Beltran reinjures his hamstring, LoDuca hits under .250 like he always does after the AS break, Wright starts booting the ball at 3B like he did early on and then slumps at the plate because of it. The Mets flop the 2nd half and just make the playoffs but lose in the 1st round.

This could happen. Don’t count your chickens before the hatch.

By NYFAN

July 13, 2006 10:34 AM | Link to this

Thanx for looking out for me Lew (I think).

By NYFAN

July 13, 2006 10:36 AM | Link to this

Thats not a prediction BB Fan, that’s a WISH list…..

By Lew

July 13, 2006 10:38 AM | Link to this

BB Fan-Pedro won’t have to throw out his arm, his hip already hurts. Let’s also not forget his famous toe. It will probably hurt, too. Ask Journalist Jimmy Smith about toe problems. Jose Reyes also had stitches in his figer. I remember when I was at UGA and Herschel Walker broke his finger. The Clemson Tiger came to the game with his digit wrapped, mocking Herschel. Should we get Jeff Porter to wear a bandage on his finger when we meet the Mets? Hey NYFAN, did you have a good night’s sleep or did the alligators keep you up all night?

By NYFAN

July 13, 2006 10:41 AM | Link to this

I don’t get the alligator thing?

By Rip

July 13, 2006 10:45 AM | Link to this

I agree the Braves have got to make a deal or the seasons over.( good deal)Other teams will be trying to improve if they think they have a chance. Astros have already. I love the Braves but you have to look at our players and be realistic. JS has known the Braves problem for over two years and for some reason has not solved it. JS may be the second coming but if he don’t make some good moves the Braves will be taking that ride on the 309..DOB knows about that ride.The Braves have Many fans that are sr.citizens in HOMES and other places that live just to see the Braves ( My mom 92 for example)never miss a game on TV-Now with TBS going to drop the braves these people will lose a big part of their life.What a disgrace. TBS just got on the 309? DOB you do a great job keep up the good work.

By Thinkin'91

July 13, 2006 10:47 AM | Link to this

Hey, ease up on NYFan. He’s just tryin to enjoy this run the Mutts are on for as long as he can, which may not be too much longer. But, sounds like he can hold his own in a baseball round table. Come to think about it, with that personality, he probably ends up holding his own more often than we’d like to know.

By KC

July 13, 2006 10:56 AM | Link to this

TOM: I agree with you about Roberto Hernandez. I’ve actually wondered why Pittsburg hasn’t already dealt him. The Pirates aren’t going anywhere this year, and at 41 years old, you know he’s not a part of their future plans. He’s been pitching extremely well this year, and becasue of his age we shouldn’t have to give up half our farm system to get him.

I’ve said in general that I don’t want to see move for “rental” players who won’t be here next year. But R.Hernandez is the exception. I would love to see us swing a deal for him.

By Bob, journalist

July 13, 2006 10:57 AM | Link to this

Morning Lew! I found the coffee … it’s the caffeine. Appologies to NYFAN, in spite of the vulgar slang … kudos Lew, I can tell by the responses that it’s both a confusing and delicate situation and it’s certainly gentlemanly of you to so intervene.

By joel marable

July 13, 2006 10:58 AM | Link to this

HEY LEW -WE HAVE TWO LEAGUES OF TEAMS AL AND NL WE CAN EVEN HUNT SOMETHING DOWN IN THE DOMINICAN LEAGUE.HE DOES NOT HAVE TO BE LIGHTS OUT EVERYTIME BUT MY GOODNESS U CLAIMING ALL WE GOT IS RAY AND SOSA SO LETS DIE WITH THEM.THANK GOD U ARE NOT RUNNING THINGS U GIVE UP TO EASY.WATCH SOMEONE NEEDING BULLPEN HELP GET SOME.NOT US SOMEONE ELSE WHO REALLY WANTS HELP. THIS WILL HAPPEN UNDER YOUR NOSE, SOMETIMES U HAVE TO GIVE TO RECIEVE[BETEMIT OR GILES OR LANGAHORNS OR ROACHIE]EVEN SOME FARM PLAYERS IF U REALLY WANT TO WIN U CAN GET SOME HELP.GILES CANT HIT 270 ANYMORE HE’S SLOW CANT LEADOFF STRIKES OUT, SHIP HIM OR BETIMIT AND GET SOME FREAKING HELP.OR SIT AROUND AND SAY AINT NOBODY OUT THERE.INSTEAD OF CRYING THE BLUES DO SOMETHING.GOT 2 GIVE TO GET, THATS THE GAME IN BASEBALL AND LIFE.

By Ron Roberts

July 13, 2006 10:58 AM | Link to this

DOB, any word, mutterings, etc., about Andruw Jones’ health? Those two tumbles he took Sunday have me believing he was intentionally kept out of the All-Star game to nurse his right ankle, but I’ve heard nothing about it.

Face it; those replays showed a clearly bent right ankle, and as most ankles go, they just don’t bend that way without repurcussions.

As for the roadtrip, yeah, this is a tough one… an additional off-day, then ten games in S.D., St.Louis and Philly (on the tail-end, no less) and the pitching matchups in San Diego have me hopeful for a 2-of-3, since we’ll have HoRam going against Chan Ho. But HoRam’s last start now has me nervous. He can chill those worries with another lights-out performance, Sunday.

But we have to get 2 of 3 in San Diego, accept 1 out of 3 in St. Louis, then split in Philly (in other words, just break even on this tough swing) to still be on-track. Who knows, though? Huddy has to be the Huddy we’d hoped for, Smoltz has to stay solid, HoRam has to forget the last start, (I’m)Chuck James (b!tch) has to be the clutch rookie call-up he’s been so far all year, and Thomson…. ugh… can we hope for 3-4 solid innings before a blister pops up or his shoulder gives him trouble?

By Suds

July 13, 2006 11:06 AM | Link to this

Hey, thinkin’91 - this is a family show; Carolinalady doesn’t need to read that sort of humor. But, I like the name; weren’t the Braves down 9 1/2 games to the Dodgers at the break and made up most of that ground in like two weeks? Don’t expect that to happen again this year, but it’s a good thought. I prefer ‘93 when we won 104 games in that epic struggle with the Giants. Went out to the coast to watch the 3 game series in September. As soon as i got there I picked up a paper and knew immediately the Braves would sweep the series - and they did. Know why I was so confident? Because the media expected the Giants to choke - and they did. Know what will happen this year? The New York media is gonna jump all over the Mets as soon as they realize the Braves are making a run and they, too, will CHOKE. Now, that’s a better way to get under NYFAN’s skin.

By Lew

July 13, 2006 11:11 AM | Link to this

Joel, Don’t burst a blood vessel. We have explored the possibilities of BOTH leagues. As far as the Dominican league, get real. We don’t have any one in the minor leagues either to bring up or to trade. We called up our AA team to the majors last year if you remember. I asked you to give me specific examples, not a bunch of junior high “My team is great” hyperbole. Do you think all of the people who have been here for weeks (and I haven’t seen your name before), haven’t explored every possibility out there? Don’t you think Scheurholz has? First of all, with over 3/4 of the 30 teams still with a mathematical chance at the playoffs, everyone is going to wait until the last minute. Who have you seen traded up to this point except Huff of the D Rays? Cool your jets, Dude and think about what you’re saying. Come up with a proposed trade and offer it to us really stupid people who probably don’t know anything with baseball. Ike, what do you think? Does he need Prozac?

By Bob, journalist

July 13, 2006 11:13 AM | Link to this

Alligators? I see that you have already had your coffee!

I’ve tried to be good, I really have … especially after being being rebuked by Billy, Coach and even MBATL … but, I found myself sounding more like Guy than the man himself … and I’m not sure that’s good.

By Lew

July 13, 2006 11:16 AM | Link to this

Yes, alligators. In the NY sewer system. Don’t tell me that I’m the only one who remembers the famous documentary movie “Alligator”, where a mutant gator runs rampant in the NY sewer system. Don’t any of you watch educational films? Bob, you’re an intelligent person, I’m sure you’ve seen the documentary. Come to think of it, as a UGA alum, maybe all gators should have Prozac, too.

By Lew

July 13, 2006 11:17 AM | Link to this

Sorry. Should have been speaking as a UGA alum.

By glembo

July 13, 2006 11:21 AM | Link to this

Andruw turned his ankle for sure. He has had a weak ankle ever since he slid over that bat at the plate. You would have thought it was a rump injury but it turned out to be a ankle injury instaid.

By Glass Half Full

July 13, 2006 11:21 AM | Link to this

Since the east coast teams don’t travel to the west coast that often, they should schedule 4:00 p.m. starts (Pacific time). Even starts at 5:30 or 6:00 would be better. 10:00 p.m. EST or after is too damn late, even for night owls.

By Lew

July 13, 2006 11:23 AM | Link to this

Glass Half Full-I agree. My blood pressure medication kicks in about midnight.

By Glass Half Full

July 13, 2006 11:24 AM | Link to this

As much as I hate that the NL lost again, it couldn’t have happened to a better guy than Phil Garner. What an a*****e! Remember in the 2004 post-season when he pretended that the bullpen phones didn’t work to give his reliever more time to warm up? Sum beach.

By Bob, journalist

July 13, 2006 11:26 AM | Link to this

Suds, I’ll have to hand it to you … pearls and pigs and alligators too. Well said!

By Glass Half Full

July 13, 2006 11:28 AM | Link to this

Plus, Garner has a “porn-stache.”

By Lew

July 13, 2006 11:31 AM | Link to this

He does have a kind of Johnny Holmes look about him. Only he’s still alive.

By Glass Half Full

July 13, 2006 11:32 AM | Link to this

An article on the atlantabraves.com is reporting that the team has $6 million available this season should they need to add another player. I think it’s clear that they need help, so let’s break out the checkbook!

By journalist jimmy smith

July 13, 2006 11:33 AM | Link to this

hartebeest in the news. stay tuned.

also, hk … does blowing bubbles or spitting seeds factor in on the intelligence measurement? true, this merely gives the appearance of stupidity but are these factors you consider? it is good that chipper graded out to be so smart (wink, wink). everyone can blog again.

By Glass Half Full

July 13, 2006 11:33 AM | Link to this

Porn and baseball are about the only places you’ll see mustaches and goat-tees anymore.

By Lew

July 13, 2006 11:34 AM | Link to this

I heard that it was more like $4.5 mil, but could be wrong. Spend it on who, though? Or is that whom, Journalist Bob?

By Lew

July 13, 2006 11:35 AM | Link to this

How about on a blog? I have a mustache and goatee and I am not a porn star(just ask my wife) and I’m too old and fat to play ball.

By KC

July 13, 2006 11:36 AM | Link to this

Well Tom Gordon makes about 6 mill. He would be a nice addition, but The Braves will likely have to give up not only half their farm to get him, but the first-born sons of the involved players as well.

By Glass Half Full

July 13, 2006 11:37 AM | Link to this

I don’t know how informered Mark Bowman is, but he cited $6 million and also quoted JS liberally; perhaps he got the dollar amount from the source. Perhaps the team receives a little insurance money since Reitsma is done for the year.

By Dr. Jay

July 13, 2006 11:37 AM | Link to this

This will be a good test for our bats…we don’t seem to do well against under-the-radar pitchers, so I’m keeping my fingers crossed. Another thing we were doing before the break: scoring runs early. If we do, maybe that will help Hudson mentally. And he needs the help, I’m afraid.

Oh yeah, I’ll pile on too…Phil Garner is a di#k.

By Glass Half Full

July 13, 2006 11:38 AM | Link to this

Oh, sure. Porn, baseball, and blogs. Those things are remarkably similar.

By TennesseePaul

July 13, 2006 11:39 AM | Link to this

Lew: I believe Will StartUp is still down in the minors. I’m not sure that JS wants to bring anymore guys up from the minors, even if we do have them. The Pen needs a veteran presence. And not the likes of the Remmer, but a veteran who can get the job done.

I think this team will make it happen on this road trip. They’re a talented bunch. The pitching needs to come around a little more.
First Half we averaged 4.9 runs scored a game. the pitchers averaged 5.0 runs allowed. The pitchers need to bring that down a notch and there is a strong chance of winning this thing.

By Lew

July 13, 2006 11:41 AM | Link to this

GlassHalfFull, apparently your information may be much more accurate than mine. Gordon, though? I’m not sure I like going interdivisional for any deals. That’s also the reason I don’t think the Mets, or us, will pick up on Dontrelle. There’s just too much potential for having your butt scorched in the future. Just look at Todd Pratt and Julio Franco.

By Glass Half Full

July 13, 2006 11:42 AM | Link to this

“Flash” would be good, but he’s almost 40 and would the Phillies trade him to a team that is behind them in the division and the WC race? However, if they could dump Abreu and Burrell on someone, they might be so overjoyed that the Phillies would deal Gordon for something short of top prospects.

By KC

July 13, 2006 11:43 AM | Link to this

Phil Garner apparently doesn’t like his team’s chances to make the World Series again this year. If he did believe his team has a shot, he would have taken the All-Star game seriously. Why in the world would you not have sent in defensive replacements in the 9th. Guys like Scott Rolen and Andruw Jones were sitting on the bench, while players like Miguel Cabbrera remained on the field. What a joke!

2 of those 3 AL hits in the ninth could have been gloved by more compitent fielders. Garner’s management of that game was a joke!

And it the All-star game ever winds up deciding a World Series (because of home-field), and eventually it will…

Bud Selig ought to be drug out and shot!!!!

By Glass Half Full

July 13, 2006 11:44 AM | Link to this

On Scott Williamson: if we acquire him and he’s effective, I don’t want to see him on some other team in 2007. Just say “No” to rent-a-players.

By Lew

July 13, 2006 11:45 AM | Link to this

Of all of the proposals I’ve seen so far, Bobby Howry of the Cubs looks to be the best. He’s on my fantasy team and has put up solid numbers even though he plays in the “Friendly Confines”. Who do y’all think we could get him for. He’s not a closerr, but a solid vet.

By Glass Half Full

July 13, 2006 11:48 AM | Link to this

KC, I said the same thing to my wife when they showed a shot of Andruw in the dug-out. Why did Beltran play the entire game? And wasn’t he hustling after that hit to center? Cabrera is a good, young hitter, but his defense leaves alot to be desired, especially if Rolen is on the bench.

By joel marable

July 13, 2006 11:48 AM | Link to this

LEW u said Dominican league get real.bro ever player in the league just about is of that orgin check your own royster, half the allstars are forigners where do u think the best ball players are from it aint the USA. they play 12 months bro. U CANT TELL ME the royals or pirates, cubs devil rays baltimore,indians marlins or dominican leagues dont have someone we can use.willis for betimit langerhans and sosa u can throw in anyone except andrew and mccan.there’s your closer.if not him someone off those clubs I named beats ray and sosa.js has known 4 years we need help and he’s waiting 4 the perfect deal.guess what? aint none bro.get what u need and go 4 it.u dont think we have a team of untouchables do u.we got about 5 players starting who cant hit 260.betimit with sosa or ramirez anything to get someone to give us a bullpen.if we did that we would have had a chance.as it looks the door is closing while we shuffle our feet looking 4 the perfect deal.DONT 4GET We got a lot of starters 2 many, we can trade. davies hampton thompson ramirez james.man we got something to work with we need to do the work.

By Bob, journalist

July 13, 2006 11:49 AM | Link to this

The intrusive poll is fun but is as interesting as it is statistically sound … maybe we should have one regarding the starting point for the second half of the season.

Seriously, the choices are unfortunate … pardon the grammatical license but I think it’s insulting to suggest that if things worsened, surpassing the Marlins would be an expectation; regardless of the “Luck appositive”.

By Glass Half Full

July 13, 2006 11:49 AM | Link to this

I prefer Howry to Williamson, but I think he’s got another year on his contract and the Cubs probably won’t deal him. Williamson won’t be back with the Cubs regardless of a trade.

By BB FAN

July 13, 2006 11:50 AM | Link to this

NYFAN,

That’s not a wish list. Delgado has already been slumping since April. I think he’s hitting about .240 since then. Pedro is already on the disabled list. For his career, LoDuca hits over .300 the 1st half and less than .250 the 2nd half. Glavine has a ERA of ~ 4.90 since June 1st. Reyes has an injured hand that may affect his hitting. Beltran is hitting just over .200 for July. I think I saw him limping in the AS game.

I know the Mets won’t continue to win unless they get a starter, and STAY healthy. They have won over 20 games by 1 run. That luck could change quickly if those slumps and/or injuires continue!!

By Glass Half Full

July 13, 2006 11:53 AM | Link to this

Speaking of the Cubs, games resume today for many teams and Dusty Baker still has a job. I thought surely they’d fire him over the break; word is they would like to hire our Freddy Gonzalez as manager if they can’t get “Sweet Lou.”

By Glass Half Full

July 13, 2006 11:56 AM | Link to this

What do you guys think are the odds that Jeff Blauser will replace Bobby when he retires?

By Lew

July 13, 2006 11:57 AM | Link to this

Come on Joel-Betemit, Langerhans and Sosa for Dontrelle? You no longer deserve a response if you seriously believe THAT will ever happen. You are indulging in wishful thinking. First of all, the Marlins have Cabrera at third and All Star Uggla at second. Tell me just how Betemit fits in with this scenario. Also, as has been discussed here ad nauseum, what happens if Chipper’s toe goes again? We need Betemit. Langerhans is one of the best defensive outfileders in the game and we have to keep a solid bench. Sosa has no trade value at the moment. He is owed over a million $ before the end of the year, leads the league in HR given up and has gone 2-10. Are you really that naive? As far as the Dominican League. Other than the pick up of Julio Franco from the Mexican League several years ago, when have you heard of a deal like that coming from other than the bigs? I would love to see the Braves pull off another great deal and go on a huge run, but it is doubtful it will happen. We have gone to the well too often with our farm system to do it again right now. No I don’t want to give up Davies, James, Ramirez,or even Lerew. We have given up way too much young pitching and it is the cause of our present predicament.

By Lew

July 13, 2006 12:01 PM | Link to this

Oh yeah-Dontrelle as a closer? Do you have a clue or do you make it up as you go along?

By Dr. Jay

July 13, 2006 12:06 PM | Link to this

Amen, Glass Half Full…No to rental players.

Blauser would be home-grown, for the most part, and that’s cool…but I like what Ned Yost has done in Milwaukee. He’d be at the top of my wish list right now.

By TennesseePaul

July 13, 2006 12:07 PM | Link to this

The 6 million would be a combination of sources. Mostly from Chippers Contract, money saved on Renteria, Hampton, Reitsma, Boyer, Foster, and whoever else we have on the DL. But Chipper took a 6 million dollar paycut in the offseason. It’s a big deal. Having that kind of cash on hand means JS could trade for a guy like Alfonso Soriano. I’m not saying he will or should, but he Could. Alfonso makes 10 million this year. The second half he is owed around 5 million or less. So we could take on that much salary and not be hurt.

All this means is, the real cost is going to be in the people we trade.

By Scarlett Begonia

July 13, 2006 12:07 PM | Link to this

Braves have had an unprecedented run of division titles but it is time for them to go under the radar for awhile. Unless you’re the Yankees, that’s how it works.

Invest some energy in the Falcons if you want to back a team that could care less about division titles but instead wants to win it all. Falcons will win the SB in the next 5 years. I will be looking for you doubters on the bandwagon when they do.

By Glass Half Full

July 13, 2006 12:09 PM | Link to this

Since the Braves are budget-conscious (and I don’t see that changing with Liberty Media), Blauser would be inexpensive compared to a high-profile experienced major league manager. That’s why the Marlins hired Giradi.

By joel marable

July 13, 2006 12:10 PM | Link to this

yea lew, remember smoltz did it.its not that far fetched.a couple of other starters did 2.u pay the man im sure he would.why not.or let him start and let smoltz close.either way the arm is needed. I played college ball with herm winningham remember him, mets expos red sox reds. Iplayed right field had great speed. I KNOW THIS MUCH WE CANT DO IT THE WAY THINGS ARE IN THE PEN TRUST ME SOMETHING HAS TO B DONE LIKE YESTERDAY.

By Glass Half Full

July 13, 2006 12:13 PM | Link to this

The Falcon’s D should be much improved this season. Now, if only Vick would learn to trust his arm instead of his legs the moment he feels pressure.

By Lew

July 13, 2006 12:13 PM | Link to this

Scarlett, with all due respect, the Buccaneers will take care of the Falcons with little or no problem as they have the past couple of years. No Super Bowl in the foreseeable furutre for the Falcons. I do agree about the Braves, somewhat. No rental players and don’t give up any more talent just to make the playoffs for one season. If we trade, it should be with next year and the future in mind. This thing about keeping “The Streak” alive has cost too many young players and it is now hurting us.

By Ike

July 13, 2006 12:14 PM | Link to this

I don’t think we will make any moves for the next couple weeks. The way i see it, the next 2 weeks will dictate the rest of the season. If we come out of it hot and gain a couple more games on the WC, then we will be buyers in the market and JS will aggressively look for parts. But if we go 3-7 and completely fall out of it, then i think you’ll see us selling off a couple major parts. I don’t think a trade will happen before hand, because if we give up prospects for a closer, then fall out of the race, then we’ve basically wasted those prospects

By TennesseePaul

July 13, 2006 12:14 PM | Link to this

*js has known 4 years we need help and he’s waiting 4 the perfect deal.guess what? aint none *

lol. After stating a trade of Sosa, Betemit and Langerhans for a Cy Young Runner up, he follows with… JS is waiting for a perfect deal and there “aint none.”

By Lew

July 13, 2006 12:16 PM | Link to this

Yes Joel, Smoltz did move from starter to closer. He was also in his mid to late 30’s. Dontrelle is still a kid and was 2nd in the Cy Young race last year. No one in their right mind is going to suggest he become a closer. Plus, it is a virtual impossibility that we would get him anyway. Do you understand what a moot point is?

By Glass Half Full

July 13, 2006 12:18 PM | Link to this

Soriano will probably be headed to the Angels in 2 weeks.

By Glass Half Full

July 13, 2006 12:19 PM | Link to this

And that’s the California/Anaheim/LA Angels…not the one’s in Heaven.

By Dr. Jay

July 13, 2006 12:22 PM | Link to this

Well, I would hope we wouldn’t use the Marlins as an example of how to hire talent or budget our ballclub, but I know what you mean, GHF. Since it’s all still just speculation, I’d like to have the best manager we could get, with Braves organizational experience. Salary considerations, of course, for coaches and managers aren’t in the same range as the players. Plus, I’d like to see how Blauser does in Pearl before crowning him the heir apparent.

By NYFAN

July 13, 2006 12:24 PM | Link to this

BB Fan, glad to see you’re keeping up on the health of the Mets. We’ve already overcome several injuries to Floyd, Beltran, Sanchez. We’ll be fine…..You’ll see.

By Glass Half Full

July 13, 2006 12:24 PM | Link to this

Dr. Jay, I agree. I do think, however, that the Braves will promote from within. Perhaps, even TP will get the job.

By Glass Half Full

July 13, 2006 12:29 PM | Link to this

Or Glenn Hubbard for that matter…and he could bring in his former infield cohort Rafael Rameriz are 1st base coach.

By Glass Half Full

July 13, 2006 12:30 PM | Link to this

as not are

By Dr. Jay

July 13, 2006 12:30 PM | Link to this

Roger that, GHF…TP’s probably earned first rights to the chance.

By DonCoburleone

July 13, 2006 12:32 PM | Link to this

NYFAN… I have called the Muts a good team on this blog before, and I still believe they will win the division (they better, otherwise we will all have witnessed the greatest collapse in history). But BB Fan is right on with most of what he said. I mean, if you look at the numbers, many things become clear. 1)Pedro does wear down at the end of seasons since about 2003. 2)Glavine is 40 and is starting to show it. Do you really think he was/is going to keep up a Cy Young like season? (not 1995 anymore, remember?) 3) Living in SoCal my whole life, I watched LoDuca play for a number of years, and he always has a horrible second half - career .240 BA after ASB. 4) Look at Beltran’s CAREER numbers, go ahead, do it, he is clearly OVERACHIEVING this year (see Carlos Delgado’s trainer for the reason there). The guy was OVERRATED when the Muts signed him and he still is. 5) David Wright is clearly gay.

By Glass Half Full

July 13, 2006 12:32 PM | Link to this

TP actually turned down some opportunities to manage this past offseason because of “family considerations.” I’ve heard he didn’t want to move everyone from the Atlanta area.

By joel marable

July 13, 2006 12:34 PM | Link to this

Lew and paul i guess u 2 know everything thanks 4 letting me in on the we know it all forum. i’ll tell my boys to stay away from here or u get chewed up u dont agree with lew and paul.the seasons over anyway but the bullpen problem will remain 4 years always been there.and willis closing has nothing to do with age look aint your other top closers age they make good cash to.guys its about winning not what position u play or when u pitch. now start bashing me gentlemen

By Glass Half Full

July 13, 2006 12:36 PM | Link to this

Ken Oberkfell or Claudell Washington would be great also.

By NYFAN

July 13, 2006 12:38 PM | Link to this

DonC….I guess being a braves fan you’re gonna cling to any negative possibility that involves a Mets letdown or collaps. I guess anything is possible. Who would have thought the braves would be this bad? Anyway, I’m confident the Mets will play well the rest of the season and stay healthy.

By Glass Half Full

July 13, 2006 12:41 PM | Link to this

It would be great to have a post-season without the Yankees or Red Sox. “Baseball Tonight” would last about 90 seconds.

By Dirty Dawg

July 13, 2006 12:47 PM | Link to this

The Braves are poised to give us exactly what every baseball fan wants from his team…the belief that when they take family and friends to the games they’ll have a two out of three, or even three out of four, chance of going home happy. They’ve shown over the past couple of weeks that they’re ready to compete again with anybody, and with a couple of moves to, hopefully, improve the team, they’ll be in a pennant race on into September. Will they overhaul the Mets, probably not, but think how much fun it’ll be to beat them in the remaining series and get the cocky NY fans, sportsguys and players, wringing their hands and looking over their shoulder for Atlanta…and hoping that we don’t win the wild-card and ruin this season that they long ago figured belonged to the Mets.

Years ago, following a game where the Braves clinched the NL, I happened to be at a celebration function at Fulton County Stadium…had a chance to talk with Stan Kastan and, as a happy fan, said to him, ‘There’s nothing like fun at the old ball-park, is there?’ Not surprisingly he couldn’t have agreed with me more. I mean that’s all any fan should expect from his home team - Fun at the ballpark…which means winning…and they’re gonna be doing just that from here on out. The corporate guys want their clients to enjoy themselves…mommas and daddies like for the kids to have fun…guys like to have their girlfriends in a good mood after the game - it doesn’t get any better than that.

By ugadawg

July 13, 2006 12:53 PM | Link to this

It amazes me at how many people are so quick to throw ray under the bus. Yes, he blew a couple saves, but his ERA is still around 2, so I don’t see any reason to go get some unproven guy from another bullpen and try and turn him into a closer, if such a guy was even available. And Hernandez? Seriously, that’s horrible.

There are no Farnsworths out there right now. The Phillies aren’t going to trade us Gordon when they are ahead of us in the standings without commanding an outrageous ransome….not worth it.

I’d love for JS to find some middle relief, but I think it’s time to let Ray have the job full-time.

By Sammy Kershaw

July 13, 2006 12:54 PM | Link to this

Breaking News David Wright was spotted leaving a nightclub after the all star game with one Jeff Gordan. Hmmmmm

By Lew

July 13, 2006 12:55 PM | Link to this

Joel, I’m so sorry you think we’re all complete fools. Imagine that, we had the temerity to disagree with a close personal friend of Herm Winningham. Yes, I do remember the name. I think he played a few minutes for the Reds. I have known one of the Phillies coaches as a family firend for 40 years and I had lunch with a DRays pitcher this spring. So what? It is totally irrelevanat to any discussion we have had today. You think that without a trade (because we got to get some freaking help) that the Braves are out of it. That may very well be true. However, you offer no realistic trade proposal (surely you don’t think the Dontrelle idea was realistic) and claim we have too many starting pitchers and should trade some. Who? Davies is hurt, Thomson is hurt, Hudson has been less than sterling, Horacio has been hurt twice and maybe is again. That leaves Smoltz and James. Do you think we stand a chance if we get rid of them. How about all of those .270 hitters? Trade Giles and put Betemit in his place ( oh wait, we traded Betemit for Willis). What happens if Chipper goes down? Betemit to replace him( oh wait we put Betemit at 2nd because we traded Giles-no wait, we traded him for Willis). I guess we could trade Langerhans. Do you think we could get Mariano Rivera for him? Or Diaz, or Sosa? Get real dude, a quick fix is not what we need and not going to be what we get. If we hadn’t done it so often in the past, we might have a bullpen right now. I’m trying real hard not to question your college education. If you were a jock, it’s pretty obvious you never took applied logic, cause you ain’t using any in your diatribes.

By The Grinch

July 13, 2006 12:58 PM | Link to this

DonC, do you think Wright pitches or catches? He’s not a switch hitter, so you might be on to something there. I agree with your comments the other night about the state of metal music.
Slayer’s just going through the motions now, Metallica went from being one of the best bands on the planet (‘83-‘89) to one of the worst, ad nauseum. And Tennessee Paul, I agree regular rock is even worse. You mentioned Limp Bizkit; go to www.filecabi.net, type in “Fred Durst” under video search and watch the clip titled “Fred Durst rocks the geetar.” It’s the defining moment, in my opinion, of the end of rock and roll. Thank god we still have the old stuff.

By Bob, journalist

July 13, 2006 01:00 PM | Link to this

Lew, I’m not that intelligent, but I do remember Jon Rocker mentioning something about alligators and sewers in New York … or something equivalent.

I’m not sure that I remember the documentary to which you refer but I was in East Orange some years back when alligators were reported to be in the sewers of NYC … evidently as a result of flushing pets into the system where they thrived.

To make things clear for those who are easily confused or influenced … that’s “flushing the little critters down the toilet” … not “the pets of those folks living in Flushing”.

The only movies I recall are “Lake Placid” featuring a delightful performance by baudy Betty White … and the old “Alligator” of 25 years ago … featuring Jack Carter and Henry Silva. In that version of “Alligator”, they were in the sewers too but it was Chicago … not New York.

We’ll let “who” slide, especially if he’s playing first base … so it really depends on to whom it is you’re referring.

By Lew

July 13, 2006 01:01 PM | Link to this

Grinch-Buck Cherry still rocks and you might get into a band called Cornerstone. Trivium has a siger that sounds like he’s projectile vomiting, but their guitarist is a killer of the old school.

By The Grinch

July 13, 2006 01:03 PM | Link to this

Now playing: David Wright and Jeff Gordon in “Brokeback Pitstop.” Jeff Gordon has a new Jack-man…

By Lew

July 13, 2006 01:04 PM | Link to this

I stand corrected, I will have to find a rabid Cub’s fan to vent my spleen, I suppose. Yes, that is the documentary I referred to. NYFAN-Go chase rats.

By BB FAN

July 13, 2006 01:04 PM | Link to this

NYFAN,

Baseball is my favorite sport so I keep track of injuries and streaks. My two best friends are big Mets fans too, so we talk baseball all the time. I am actually from NY but grew up on TBS. When my parents got cable in the late 80’s, they only got the first 17 channels. TBS was channel 16. NY stations were 27 and 28. So I became a Braves fan.

Anyway, you are right, it’s doubtful the Mets would crumble and not win the division. They are a good team…as long as they are healthy. But history says Pedro will break down and that Glavine and LoDuca will slump. Even Wright slumped in the 2nd half last year before getting hot in late Spetember. Delgado is a good hitter and I’m not sure why is hitting .250 this year. And a hand injury to Reyes will not help. He has improved so much this year. The kid is taking walks and hitting .300 along with his blazing speed. Beltran has been so inconsistant it’s hard to say what he’s going to do.

By Bob, journalist

July 13, 2006 01:09 PM | Link to this

Lew, Joel, Paul … take it from one who knows, very few of us are complete fools … we are still works in progress!

And could one of you give Jimmy a tissue? He seems to have something in his eye.

By BOB C

July 13, 2006 01:10 PM | Link to this

Love some of these trade proposals. My favorite in this blog is LaRoche and Langerhans to Philly for Gordon. Ever looked at who the Phils have in the outfield and first base? And for those piling on Phil Garner - ever met the guy? He’s class - and to the best of my knowledge,(his aunt is a neighbor), has never beaten up his wife.

By The Grinch

July 13, 2006 01:11 PM | Link to this

Thanks, Lew; I will definitely check them out.
As for the alligator thing, I lived in New York briefly during the 80’s and I remember it being a sort of urban legend involving flushing baby alligators down the toilet and having them grow to monsterous proportions in the sewer. Of course, as anyone who’s ever had to drink the water in that state, it’s highly unlikely they grew anything other than a second or third head. As for New York having multiple football teams (discussed in the previous blog), the Jets and Giants actually play in New Jersey. Buffalo is the only actual NY team.

By DonCoburleone

July 13, 2006 01:15 PM | Link to this

Hudson should have success against the Padres in Petco. That park complements his style of pitching and the Padre hitters do not typically do well against ground-ball pitching…

By Mark

July 13, 2006 01:17 PM | Link to this

Falcons….LMAO…what a joke of a franchine compared to the Braves.

By DonCoburleone

July 13, 2006 01:29 PM | Link to this

TheGrinch, I still think there are some good hard rock/heavy metal bands out there. Just not to the Kill ‘em All, Ride The Lightning, Master of Puppets, And Justice For All caliber. I think Hatebreed is a solid Heavy Metal band. And Tool (they are hard rock though, not heavy metal) I think is the best band in the last 15 years. Lateralus is still the greatest musical album of the 21st century IMO… And BOBC Chris Reitsma is class too and has never beaten up his wife either, does that mean he’s a good pitcher???

By DonCoburleone

July 13, 2006 01:38 PM | Link to this

Recent Headline in NY Post: DAVID WRIGHT SEEN LEAVING FLASHY NIGHTCLUB “THE TOOLBOX” WITH 2 VERY ECCENTRIC MALE COUNTERPARTS…

By NYFAN

July 13, 2006 01:51 PM | Link to this

I thought Wright was seen leaving the “Toolbox” with McCann. I’m sure he’s the catcher for obvious reasons.

By stephen

July 13, 2006 01:52 PM | Link to this

Saw where Chris Hammond was released and is a free agent. Think he could be a serviceable pick up? Might not be a bad idea to sign him to a minor league deal, let him get his kinks worked out in Richmond and give him a shot mid to late August.

Just a thought…

By Andy

July 13, 2006 01:55 PM | Link to this

hey grinch—-lay off nyc water—-best in the country for a city(look it up)

Scarlet—talking about the Falcons at this point(esp since they don’t have a deep line on either side of the ball. Have you seen what the panthers for their d-line in the off season—not to mention the Bucs)makes me say…”Frankly Scarlett…..”

Oh and to the guy saying the west coast games should start at 4:30 or 5 local time—-“because…come on 10:00 is too late even for night owls.” Yeah I know its late—but since I live on the west coast—-and so much of my life changes around the east coast thing—-I think it great that even though I am one of the 3 or 4 people that live here—I can still goto a basball game @ 7pm.

As far as trades goes—-no one outside the loop knows anything except for hope(which is a great thing) I say we trade Giles(walk year)the hammer hank statue(we still have the real thing—make another one)and thompson(can’t pitch worse—really gonna have an amazing 2nd half) to the yankees for Rivera. I know were giving up alot esp with paying to ship that heavy crate to NY—but winning teams do what they have to do.

By KC

July 13, 2006 01:55 PM | Link to this

Anyone see Dayn Perry’s comments on foxsports.com today?

“it’s highly unlikely that the Braves or Phillies will seriously challenge for the Wild Card.”

I’ve noticed over the years that national media types are slow to catch on. They don’t pay close enough attention to any one particular team to be able to see when the tide is shifting. They look at the Braves and say “okay, so they went 7-3, what’s the big deal”?

That’s not the point at all. The fact that the Braves have been winning again over the past couple of week is in fact nothing to write home about. HERE is what analysts like Dayn Perry have yet to realize:

1-The Braves’ rotation has an excellent chance to be the best in the NL. Smoltz is still as great a big-game starter as the is in the majors. It would be a wise bet to count on Hudson having a MUCH better 2nd half. Also, prior to his last start (an aberration), Heracio Ramirez has been one of the sharpest pitchers in baseball over the last month. And don’t forget about Chuck James… a very good looking young starter.

The Braves have also has a chance to be as good as any in the NL. It just hit me the other day that this team has 5 all-stars at the top of its lineup. Granted, Chipper and Giles didn’t make this year’s team, but both have been all-stars and are still very much all-star caliber players. (And they’re starting to play like it).

After you get through the all-stars in the lineup, you have Francoeur and Laroche in the 6&7 slots. They are on track to hit a combined 60 homers and drive in 200 runs. And has anyone noticed the way the Braves’ latest phenom, Scott Thorman has begun to hit the ball? Name another team in the league that has this kind of thump at the back end of their lineup.

Even the bullpen is showing promise. Atlanta now has three relievers with ERA’s around or under 3.00 (Ray, Paronto, Yates), and two excellent young arms in Kevin Barry, and Phil Stockman (due back from the DL soon).

Folks, know this: There is a helluva lot of talent on this team. This roster is significantly better than that of any of the teams currently in the NL wild card hunt.

Had Dayn Perry simply predicted that some one other than the Braves (maybe the Astros or Dodgers) will win the wild card, I could understand that. But to say it’s “highly unlikely” that a team with as much talent and experience as the Braves (who are only 6.5 games out with nearly 80 games still to play) could even mount a serious challenge for the WC???? Yikes. I suspect that he will never be more wrong about anything as long as he lives.

By KC

July 13, 2006 01:58 PM | Link to this

Correction: The Braves’ offence has a chance to be as good as any in the NL.

By David O'Brien

July 13, 2006 01:59 PM | Link to this

Scarlett Begonia, thanks for telling us neophytes “how it works.” So it’s 14 division titles in a row and then under the radar? OK, got it. Again, thanks.

Wow, brilliant stuff, Scarlett. As for Falcons, don’t they need to have consecutive WINNING FREAKIN’ SEASONS before you start comparing them favorably with the Braves? I mean, that would help. Not even playoffs, just consecutive winning seasons. Then we’ll go from there.

Bob, journalist: Thanks for noticing that late-night/early morning blog effort. Got about 2 hours of nappage last night.

But I’m happy to say, I’m looking out at the Pacific right now, and it’s 78 degrees and sunny. Gonna do a little writing and then head over to Petco Park.

By KC

July 13, 2006 01:59 PM | Link to this

correction again: “offense” (with an “s”)… sorry

By KC

July 13, 2006 02:02 PM | Link to this

I think the national media types are almost anxious to write the Braves off. It seems like they’re ready for the Braves to just go away.

By BB FAN

July 13, 2006 02:08 PM | Link to this

Dayn Perry is not real bright anyway. In the preseason reports, he said the Braves should have matched Furcal’s contract offer from LA because it was below market value. How the he11 is 13 million a year for a guy who only plays 1/2 a season at a time below market value?

By hk

July 13, 2006 02:14 PM | Link to this

… wish you guys hadn’t brought up the Falcons (groan) … have watched Micheal’s confidence level gradually deteriorate ever since they brought in that west coast offense coach … worse than that, as a stationary target in the pocket and not a very big guy, he has been pounded … now plays like a guy preoccupied with getting hurt …

… Huddy is an emotional pitcher, plays with a lot of heart, sometimes that works for him, sometimes against … he had his best years out west, maybe that will help … can’t wait, great way to start the second half of the season …

By DonCoburleone

July 13, 2006 02:16 PM | Link to this

At least there is some baseball on tonight, I was so desperate I even watched a few innings of the AAA All Star Game… I felt like a broke alcoholic licking a bar-room floor…

By John Hoar

July 13, 2006 02:17 PM | Link to this

Just checked tonight’s NL schedule. Four of the teams ahead of us are either playing each other or a pretty good team Looks like we will gain at least half a game on two of them.

By TennesseePaul

July 13, 2006 02:28 PM | Link to this

BBFAN: So glad you mentioned that. I saw Dayn Perry’s article and just started laughing. They guy doesn’t get anything right on purpose. If he happens to guess, good for him.
That stuff he kept writing about Furcal just cracked me up. “By the All Star Break 13 million a year for Furcal is going to seem like a bargain”. Last I check Dayne, Furcal was dropped in the order while batting poorly and commiting 18 first half errors. Renteria is an All Star.

By TennesseePaul

July 13, 2006 02:30 PM | Link to this

And another thing about Dayne…. He was so far off on the Furcal thing, it almost makes me pleased he’s calling for a crash and burn of the Braves. With his record of predictions, the Braves have a strong chance of trading for the perfect peice and going on a 20 year WS Title streak.

Seriously though, the man shouldn’t be writing about baseball.

By Ron Roberts

July 13, 2006 02:37 PM | Link to this

DOB, did ya speak about Andruw’s ankle in your last blog late last night, or have ya missed me asking about it and commenting on it? Just wondering if it’s been discussed - at all - either quietly within the organization or by the team’s media pool.

My gut tells me that has to be why he didn’t play in the All-Star game. Thoughts? Comments?

By DonCoburleone

July 13, 2006 02:44 PM | Link to this

Hey DOB, I’ll be in San Diego the next 2 nights… Are you going to do any partying Friday or Saturday night on the GasLamp District? It’s a helluva party…

By Chop Chop

July 13, 2006 02:46 PM | Link to this

If you look at Furcal’s stats so far this year, the things that stand out the most are his awful slugging percentage (.346) and his errors (18). His power numbers are way down, but his OBP is right around his career average (.348 career, .345 so far this season). Back to the slugging percentage for a minute, though. Furcal had 54 extra-base hits in 154 games last year. This year, he has 18 extra-base hits in 86 games. %#^&*%’ 18, folks! By contrast, the well-known slugger (and DOB favorite) Juan Pierre has 24 extra-base hits and a higher slugging percentage (.361).

Furcal’s 18 errors in 86 games obviously ain’t good, either. He’ll probably end the year in the high-20s in errors, which he’s done a couple of times in the big leagues. After all, it’s not like the guy played like a Gold Glover in Atlanta every year. Last year was a fluke. It just so happened that that fluke came at the perfect time for him. Almost reminds me a little of the great Jeff Blauser, who didn’t do much in years when his contract wasn’t up.

By ncscoots

July 13, 2006 02:57 PM | Link to this

I’ve moaned about the bullpen as much as anyone, but I will say that Yates, Stockman, Paronto, Barry, and Ray (the five guys I would assume to be Bobby’s main options, at least when Stockman returns) aren’t the guys who blew all the saves earlier this year. Are these five guys good enough to get it done this year? I don’t know, and neither does anyone else, and I guess that’s the problem. No PROVEN bullpen commodities down there. That’s not to say that these guys couldn’t be lights-out for the rest of the year, but it would take Pollyanna to COUNT on it. And JS don’t throw like a girl (with no offense to our female bloggers, it’s just a figure of speech!).

By Lew

July 13, 2006 02:58 PM | Link to this

Bob, Journalist-Methinks you spend more time with the written word than with humanity if you think complete fools are that few and far between. They are all over the place. Three or four come to introduce themselves to me on a daily basis. For that matter, I really don’t discount the fact that I may be one, myself. I seriously think that they reproduce asexually, because they do seem to increase at a geometrically staggering rate of speed.

By Glass Half Full

July 13, 2006 02:58 PM | Link to this

One of the rumor sites suggested that the Padres will be looking to move Klesko in August (after he clears waivers, of course). That would be a risky and expensive pick up for anyone since he hasn’t played this year and is coming off shoulder surgery.

By Chop Chop

July 13, 2006 02:59 PM | Link to this

I was just reading something over on ESPN.com. It’s an Insider article about NL team needs. Keith Law lists 10 teams from the NL that are “realistically” in the hunt to make the playoffs.

Guess which team isn’t on the list?

Yeah. You guessed right.

By journalist jimmy smith

July 13, 2006 02:59 PM | Link to this

journalist bob, not to worry it was a mote, not a beam. a tissue will not be necessary (wink, wink). now, hk and his graphs … jimmy smith was surprised with hk’s revelation about player intelligence and the surprising results … jimmy smith has been wrong all along. uh, journalist stands corrected. now, please chipper, continue the outstanding play. you are needed in the second half. now, san diego and the beaches. soon, journalist will be off to petco park - a park friendly to journalist’s seal companion. this morning, on the beach, baby seal attracted many lovely girls for conversation with this journalist. baby seal is an asset on the beach. the journalistic assignment to cover the seal clubbing trip some months ago was most productive, though very painful - making journalist go on the dl for a few days. much is going on in the world today. journalist is concerned.

By Glass Half Full

July 13, 2006 03:03 PM | Link to this

Well, ESPN also questioned trading for Kyle Farnsworth last year. HR called it a “bad move.” The guy only converted 10 of 10 saves before a meltdown in Houston.

By Glass Half Full

July 13, 2006 03:07 PM | Link to this

Would the Pirates move Damasco Marte? He’s having a good year (40 strike-outs in 33 IP, only 14 walks). Plus, he’s a lefty, only 31, and will make just over $1 mill the rest of the year.

By krath

July 13, 2006 03:08 PM | Link to this

As the trade deadline closes in, lots of publications and websites are listing the “who’s available and who is not” stuff. I’m sure some of the folks they say can be had are not moving and a few that aren’t even mentioned could be moved. That said, many of the lists have the same players on them so I suppose you could say where there is smoke, there is fire.

The Braves still have needs (pitching, leadoff hitter, right handed bat at first) but also have constraints when trying to fill those needs.

Payroll is a factor.

Quality of prospect or veteran the Braves have to pay to make the deal happen.

Are they getting a rent-a-player or are they getting a player who can help them in the future AND can sign to a contract?

I’m not singling anyone out on this blog, but I really believe that some fans aren’t in touch with reality when it comes to a trade. The fact is if you get quality, you must give up quality. You’re not going to trade some under achieving single “A” player for Carl Crawford or Dontrelle Willis! Just ain’t gonna happen! You are not going to trade an under achieving major leaguer for those guys either. (I don’t think Crawford or Willis are going anywhere… just used them as examples)

After taking all things into consideration from a Braves viewpoint and using the above criteria, AND using media sources to see what might be out there…..I don’t know if there is a deal out there that would work for the Braves.
I keep hearing Scott Williamson. He might work if the Braves could get him for a mid level minor leaguer but he ain’t gonna save the bullpen by his lonesome. He surely isn’t worth over paying for. From what I have observed so far, I don’t know if any affordable pitching help is out there. Of the pitchers that may (I SAID MAY) be available, Smoltz and Hudson are probably the most attractive (assuming Hudson can right himself) and we already have them!

If the Braves are determined to make a deal, it may make more sense to try to aquire a bat, be it leadoff or first base help. I’m not saying there are an abundance of “fits” out there to supply this need but there just doesn’t seem to be any pitching that makes sense.

It makes no sense to gut your minor league prospects for mediocre return. Maybe the best deal is not to deal. Sink or swim with what you got. Win the WC with what you have. OR don’t win the wildcard with what you have. I’m not challenging anyone but I just would really like to know who thinks that we are only like one player away from playing for a world championship? I’m not talking just making the playoffs here…. I mean making it to the World Series because it isn’t worth mortgaging your future JUST to make the playoffs.

What rock solid, slam the door, closer is available? What would it cost the Braves to get a “maybe could be a closer” type pitcher or a “used to be a decent closer but older and no longer a lock” closer? We already have some of those now.

Don’t need to overpay for mediocrity.

PS

One more thing…… from what I’ve been reading, it seems that Salty isn’t really such an “in demand” commodity anymore on the trade market. With his injury and subpar numbers this year, maybe some GM’s are seeing something they don’t like.

So all the Salty fans can rest easy it seams.

PS PS Don’t bring Dave Roberts home with you from San Diego (although I think he’s on the DL anyway)

By stephen

July 13, 2006 03:15 PM | Link to this

If I’m not mistaken, the Braves have 6 Mil to play with this year. Wouldn’t 6 mil to spend at the allstar break equal 12 mil for a season? Couldn’t they afford to go out and get a big name with a big contract? Maybe someone who’s in their walk year… If the Braves ain’t gonna spend it, they should give it back to Chipper.

By krath

July 13, 2006 03:17 PM | Link to this

baseball on the brain. The word is “seems” not “seams.”

By Glass Half Full

July 13, 2006 03:17 PM | Link to this

After a rocky start, Jacques Jones is doing well. Batting over .300, OBP .336, 15 HRS, and 45 RBI. That would be an upgrade over our current starting left fielder.

By ncscoots

July 13, 2006 03:21 PM | Link to this

I don’t think krath and I have agreed on all that much in the past, but he hits the nail today. If the Braves seek players such as Scott Williamson or Damaso Marte for bullpen depth at the cost of fringe prospects, that’s one thing, but overpaying for those types of players would be, well, not smart. Season-changing relief pitchers just aren’t to be had, folks, there is no bullpen equivalent to Fred McGriff. and krath, ditto on Dave Roberts, bubba.

By Glass Half Full

July 13, 2006 03:23 PM | Link to this

I don’t know much about the Padres line-up. Is Roberts a lead-off guy?

By hk

July 13, 2006 03:29 PM | Link to this

Lew,

… as a guy about the same age as Bob, think his ‘work in progress’ was referring mostly to himself, and applies to me as well … it has taken a long time and continuous painstaking effort to become the fool I am today … helps alot on blogs to realize that, though …

By DonCoburleone

July 13, 2006 03:38 PM | Link to this

I find it a very interesting concept of trading John Smoltz to the Tigers for some young arms. I’ve heard, that we could conceivably trade Smoltz to the Tigers for prospects, and then re-sign him at the end of the year… I would be all for that, only problem is the small chance of losing Smoltz for good…

By Glass Half Full

July 13, 2006 03:40 PM | Link to this

Smoltz isn’t going anywhere. ESPN and Fox are embarrassing themselves by continuing to mention that he and Andruw are available.

By BB FAN

July 13, 2006 03:41 PM | Link to this

I think 1B is fine with LaRoche and Thorman. LaRoche has been a lot more consistant since he started playing against left handers. And Thorman has been hitting better and can play LF as well as 1B.

If the Braves can unload Giles for a true lead off hitter then great. Or if they can get 2 solid young pitchers for Hudson then great. I still think Detroit would be willing to give up 2 young pitchers in a trade for Hudson if he pitches well for the next 3 weeks. They have Zumaya, Ledezma, Sanchez, Tata and Jurrjens to choose from.

I don’t think there is much out there for bullpen help other than Williamson. And I hope they don’t overpay for him.

By Kevin C

July 13, 2006 03:42 PM | Link to this

Here is something from Keith Law’s article on ESPN—he infers that Torre does not seem to trust Farnsworth as much as his other relievers. Do we offer some prospects fpr him and get him back. Law went on to suggest that he pithces better in low key environments—which is what most people on this blog stated wehn Farnsworth left to go to the Yankees. Just a thought

By Glass Half Full

July 13, 2006 03:45 PM | Link to this

The thing about Farnsworth is IF he were brought back to Atlanta, where he pitched well, we’d have him for 07 and 08. No rent-a-player there. Sure he’s having a bad year, but some guys aren’t suited for high pressure markets a’la Edgar Renteria.

By DonCoburleone

July 13, 2006 03:45 PM | Link to this

GlassHalfFull Roberts is lead-off and has about 20 steals this year. But he’s like 35 and not getting any younger/better…

By Glass Half Full

July 13, 2006 03:47 PM | Link to this

Thanks, Don. I knew he was an older guy. Realistically, though…Roberts is the kinda player the Braves are LIKELY to add. Notice I didn’t say SHOULD add.

By Lew

July 13, 2006 03:51 PM | Link to this

HK-didn’t mean to imply that either you or Journalist Bob were or are complete fools. I just meant that there are plenty out there. They may be in progress and one can only hope. Krath your comments make you seem to be a totally rational person. I couldn’t agree more. I’m tired of giving up the farm for 3 month and out players. The chance of us repeating as division champs is not realistic and a trip via the WC would be great, but I don’t think we have the horses to get us farther than the division series. Please don’t mortgage more of the future for another off season of futility. I’d rather plan for the future (next year and beyond) than go through another one and out. There are very few players in the minor league system right now that will tenpt most teams to part with anyone significant. As far as top-notch relievers, there are few and every contender (just about) is looking for them, too. If we were to offer any of this year’s cogs, we might not have enough left to get anywhere, anyway. Someone suggested earlier that we go out and just DO SOMETHING. This is the dumbest thing we could possibly do. Zero sum General Managing is the result of that stupidity and JS is not that dumb. He, like myself and others is not a complete fool.

By ncscoots

July 13, 2006 03:51 PM | Link to this

Tigers are not about to trade good YOUNG pitching, for good EXPENSIVE pitching. Jim Leyland would burst a blood vessel if the Tigers traded Zumaya, believe me.

By Bob, journalist

July 13, 2006 03:54 PM | Link to this

Andy, regarding your “hey grinch—-lay off nyc water” comment … I think that was what the Grinch was trying to tell us!

All of yesterday’s references to Cordele and Perry … and today’s references to water … makes me think of Austell and Lithia Springs. That Lithia Water was really good tasting and many called the Springs the “Fountain of Youth”. What I remember from 60 years ago was the little fountain in the park from which Daddy insisted we always take a drink … strong sulphur water it was; smelled like rotten eggs … but Daddy swore that it would put hair on your chest and that it was good for for what ailed you. There’s not much hair on my chest but I can attest to the smell!

Funny thing about mind triggers … Cordele is known for its watermellons but it makes me think of boiled peanuts. Strange when I think about it, but we got most of our Watermellons and Muskmellons from Carrol County. To me, Perry was peaches and Fort Valley was ‘possum hunting territory … Albany was pecans and Thomasville was pretty girls. All those places have gnats, the farther south you went, the bigger they got!

The Israllies just bombed the Lebonon Airport again … that’s bad for tourism, not to mention the killing of innocents. Let’s kill all the terrorists and be done with it … but, these Family Feuds are appalling and no rationalization is going to change that!

Beirut was once a very nice place to visit and I understand that the Movenpick Lebanon is fabulous!

By Glass Half Full

July 13, 2006 03:54 PM | Link to this

The Tigers are for real as far as young pitching goes. I think their days in the cellar are over…at least for the next several years.

By Lew

July 13, 2006 03:54 PM | Link to this

Excuse me “Unlike myself and others”

By DonCoburleone

July 13, 2006 03:54 PM | Link to this

Farnsworth is definately interesting… One thing is for sure though, the Yankees would have to pay some of his ridiculous contract for it to happen… He’s owed like 6 or 7mil a year for the next two years after this one. I would take him back though, he was money until he ran into Lance Berkman last year (but honestly, I am glad they got that loss out of the way in Houston and didn’t have to watch another team celebrate on their home field.)

By Glass Half Full

July 13, 2006 03:57 PM | Link to this

Bob, no visits to “Jimmy Carter Country” (Plains and Americus)?

By Lew

July 13, 2006 03:58 PM | Link to this

Don, I agree about his salary, but if we went out in the offseason and purchased a free agent, it might cost even more. Relief pitchers’ salaries all went crazy last year.

By geauxbraves2000

July 13, 2006 04:00 PM | Link to this

Nationals acquire Austin Kearns, Felipe Lopez and Ryan Wagner as part of eight-player deal with Cincinnati

By Glass Half Full

July 13, 2006 04:00 PM | Link to this

Farnsworth will make just over $5 million each of the next 2 seasons. Plus, the deal he signed with the Yankees was very close to what the Braves were preparing to offer him. He signed with the Yanks without considering the Braves.

By Chop Chop

July 13, 2006 04:13 PM | Link to this

I guess that means the Nationals are going to trade Soriano pretty soon. Sounds like a damn good deal for the Nationals. I guess the Reds really are desperate for relief help.

By ncscoots

July 13, 2006 04:16 PM | Link to this

Chop beat me to it…jeez, Majewski is an OK reliever, but give up Kearns AND Lopez for bhascially middle relief? I don’t get that myself.

By KC

July 13, 2006 04:16 PM | Link to this

Pretty soon when you visit espn.com, you’ll see nothing but a link that says “ENTER”, and next to it will be a yellow box with the word “in”.

By Kevin C

July 13, 2006 04:22 PM | Link to this

Would the Nationals make a deal with a division rival? Kasten knows the Braves system, seems like he and Moore from KC would be willing trade partners simply because they know what they could get from the Braves. I think that if the Braves do make a deal it will be a minor one simply because everyone seems to need the same thing, pitching—starting and relief. I would not be shocked if this offseason the Braves do move one or two starters from this year. Kelly Johnson was drafted as an infielder and I could see him contributing somewhere next year.

By BB FAN

July 13, 2006 04:26 PM | Link to this

ncscoots,

Detroit may not give up Zumaya but if they want an experieced starter (which many experts have suggested) for a playoff run, then they would trade good young pitching. That young pitching has no playoff experience or even experience in a division race. So it would not surprise me if they agreed to trade 2 of those guys. They have a lot of young talent but no experience except Rogers.

By James

July 13, 2006 04:26 PM | Link to this

JS will make a trade. Maybe a 3-way deal. Something like a pitcher and Giles to Cardinals and then the Cardinals send the pitcher we sent them with one of there pitchers to Tampa where as Tampa will send ou Crawford. Possible. But the real deals will be in August once some teams fade we will pick up someone on the waver wire

By The Grinch

July 13, 2006 04:35 PM | Link to this

Sorry; been gone for a couple of hours. Don, I like Tool (though I agree they’re not really metal). I haven’t heard the others but I’ll check them out. Andy, NYC water may be fine now; I was talking about the way it was in the 80’s and it most decidedly wasn’t. You could pour a glass from the tap and it would look white. Yes, like skim milk. You had to wait until the whiteness settled on the bottom and drink the clear off the top which was none too tasty. LIke in Mexico, Coke or beer was a much safer option. Bob, I just moved back up here from Swainsboro (where I spent the last 10 years) and the water’s great. The gnats are indeed ferocious, but the girls are pretty and the fresh produce is commendable. I’ve been gone about 5 months and I miss it. However, the job market there is awful (especially if you’re a huble scribbler like myself). It’s also not exactly cool, weather-wise. But at least you could still see wild animals (other than squirrels and dead opossums) and the people were remarkebly friendly. South Georgia is, by and large, a good thing.

By George

July 13, 2006 04:36 PM | Link to this

Isn’t it time the Braves start thinking about re-tooling? Chipper to first, Betemit everyday 3rd base, trade LaRoche for pitching?

By The Grinch

July 13, 2006 04:37 PM | Link to this

“Humble”

By Calvin

July 13, 2006 04:41 PM | Link to this

The Reds are trying to fix their bullpen it appears. They traded Austin Kearns and Felipe Lopez to the Nats for Gary Majewski and Bill Bray. Looks like some GM’s are trying to fix their bullpen problems…well not all of them…

By Bob, journalist

July 13, 2006 04:42 PM | Link to this

Lew,

Me eyes aren’t as keen as they once were but I remain an interested observer … my Mama used to say “Now honey, there’s no fool like an old fool” and it would make me laugh … to which Daddy would say to me “Son, the only thing worse than an old fool is a young one!”

That’s the way it went at our house but I now think the reverse is probably more correct.

My “Works In Progress” comments weren’t specifically addressing the posts associated with the “complete fool” thread. I was simply suggesting that in most cases the process is never complete … I wasn’t suggesting that the number of folks who habitually exhibit very foolish behavior is small … and I tend to agree that the number seems to be growing exponentially. I must admit that, while the company may not always be very nice, it’s very nice to have more company.

It appears that HK got my point … but, I would never include him in the group of old fools … at least not until I saw his projections on player intelligence. That gave me pause to ponder!

By Kevin C

July 13, 2006 04:43 PM | Link to this

George

I think you are right about retooling but it has been so long that the organization’s mentality is to win every year, which is great. I do think LaRoche is moved in the offseason and Thorman to first not Chipper. Betemit will be moved for bullpen help also. In the minors there is Campbell they are grooming for a future at 3rd. I know there are a lot of LaRoche defenders but someone pointed this out earlier, he is 27, has been up for a few years and really has not progressed to the point where some thought he would. Thorman is cheaper and LaRoche would seem to be a good fit for someone like the Angels or even a platoon player with Shelton of the Tigers

By Stanford

July 13, 2006 04:53 PM | Link to this

Thorman is not ready to play 1B full time. Betemit is too valuable at second, short and third and as a ph to trade for middle relief. His time will come. Chipper is our third baseman for the next two years, Giles is among the best at second in the league, Renteria is solid, and LaRoche is better than adequate at first. We don’t have any real prospects to trade, and unless we can trade Langerhans, Thompson or Sosa, maybe we should be patient.

By geauxbraves2000

July 13, 2006 05:02 PM | Link to this

I don’t think you could get a piece of bread and some butter right now for Thompson & Sosa combined. If the Braves want to rid themselves of Thomson I believe he is going to have to get released, ditto for Sosa, and I just don’t see that happening. Going to have to cross our fingers ever time those two go to the mound.

Isn’t it ironic when mgmt rids themselves of pitchers who are not peforming how all of a sudden the bullpen is bettered? Strange how that works, isn’t it BC?

Geaux Braves!!

By krath

July 13, 2006 05:02 PM | Link to this

Well now I find myself agreeing with ncscoots. Gary Majewski actually is a pretty good reliever, but I don’t think I give up Kearns and Lopez (and Bray who may have potential)for he and Clayton (the principles in the trade IMHO)

It also shows that the media does miss some of this stuff. Although Kearns has been dangled around for a couple of years, I haven’t heard anything about Lopez. The biggest surprise to me was Gary Majewski. From all I have read the last couple of months he hasn’t seemed to be available.

You have to hand it to the Reds though…. they feel they are close to competing for a playoff spot so they’re making some moves.

By ncscoots

July 13, 2006 05:07 PM | Link to this

before we get back to the drill of anointing Wilson Betemit again on the blog, please check a few stats for a reality check. Defense? 4 errors in 55 chances, i.e., just about the worst fielding percentage on the team. Offense? he’s hitting what, .270? The guy is a solid, serviceable major leaguer, but he is not the impact-player-future-star-heir-to-the-throne some posters think. He certainly is not a player to replace ANY of the usual starting 8 for the Braves.

By krath

July 13, 2006 05:08 PM | Link to this

I wasn’t clear before. Bray is coming to the Reds. I misplaced my mention of him in the paragraph.

By KC

July 13, 2006 05:11 PM | Link to this

George and Kevin: I don’t think there is any need to retool at this point.

Chipper will be at 3rd base for the rest of his career. Besides, LaRoche is doing a pretty good job with both the bat and the glove. No reason for Atlanta to be looking for a replacement at 1st.

Scott Thorman will likely continue to get most of his playing time in left field. LaRoche is much more valuable to this lineup that Langerhanz is.

There’s no need to retool. I posted most of this earlier, but here is my case one more time.

This team has 5 all-stars at the top of its lineup. Yes, I realize that Chipper and Giles didn’t make this year’s team, but both have been all-stars and are still very much all-star caliber players. Now they’re starting to play like it, and that’s one of the biggest differences between this team now, and this team a month ago.

After you get through the all-stars in the lineup, you have Francoeur and Laroche in the 6&7 slots. They are on track to hit a combined 60 homers and drive in 200 runs. And has anyone noticed the way the Braves’ latest phenom, Scott Thorman has begun to hit the ball? Name another team in the league that has this kind of thump at the back end of their lineup.

Smoltzy, Huddy, HoRam, and James, will likely be the best rotation (1-4) in the NL in the 2nd half. Believe it.

Even the bullpen is showing promise. Atlanta now has three relievers with ERA’s around or under 3.00 (Ray, Paronto, Yates), and two excellent young arms in Kevin Barry, and Phil Stockman (due back from the DL soon).

Beacause player like C.Jones, Giles, and H.Ramirez have finally started to play as they are capable…

And with the arrival of kids like Chuck James, Kevin Barry, Phil Stockman, and Scott Thorman…

This team is loaded with talent right now, and are very much primed for a post-season run. yeah, let’s get some bullpen help if we can, but there’s no need to retool this team.

By Kevin C

July 13, 2006 05:12 PM | Link to this

Thomson and Sosa will have to pitch better in the 2nd half for the Braves to have a chance. Could they pitch any worse? They are not tradeable right now and if we do tarde either of them send them to the American League or out West. To be honest pitching is in such demand that Selig should have contracted 4 teams a long time ago—KC, both Florida teams, and Pittsburgh

By NYFAN

July 13, 2006 05:13 PM | Link to this

The Grinch…..NYC water is among the best in the nation. It’s source is in the upstate region (Adirondacks).

By BOB C

July 13, 2006 05:14 PM | Link to this

Sure looks like the Reds overpaid for some relief help. Let us all hope JS does not do something similiar. Much as i would like to see Farnsworth and his 10 for 10 back home, the Yankees are way too shaky in the pen to let him go.

By Kevin C

July 13, 2006 05:17 PM | Link to this

KC

All valid points, I guess I am just not a LaRoche fan. Do you think that the Braves will trade one or more of the following in the offseason—Ramirez, Hudson, Giles, or LaRoche. I do not believe that Andruw will be traded, I think he will resign again, much to the chagrin of others

By geauxbraves2000

July 13, 2006 05:21 PM | Link to this

Andruw Jones in any other uniform beside the Braves would be a travesty. Same for Smoltz.

By Bob, journalist

July 13, 2006 05:29 PM | Link to this

Glass Half Full,

The story I tell about my father, who had but a highschool diploma, prescribing medicine for a waitress on a napkin … was following a trip to Sumter County. I’ve met Jimmy a few times over the years and someone who worked for me lived near him … and was a very close friend of his mother’s.

I don’t remember Plains as a kid but friends from Americus would always send mother pecans and fruitcakes … and Daddy would get green peanuts. I know they raised a lot of corn down there but we got most of ours from the farm.

Good folks all over South Georgia … and those were good days and good memories … I remember too that we didn’t have an air conditioned car until 1955.

By DonCoburleone

July 13, 2006 05:31 PM | Link to this

DOB, You should hit up the HOOTERS in the gaslamp district this weekend… the girls are amazing.

By craig Miller

July 13, 2006 05:53 PM | Link to this

That live Wilco CD is fantastic.

By Dr. Jay

July 13, 2006 05:55 PM | Link to this

Right. Like DOB wants his carrousing itinerary posted on the world wide web.

By TennesseePaul

July 13, 2006 05:56 PM | Link to this

Screw Farnsworthless.

Let me get this straight. We are not supposed to over spend for help. We are upset about the post season failures for the last 11 years. We have a shaky bullpen. And the talk right now is about trading for Farnsworthless? PLEASE!

By Andy

July 13, 2006 06:02 PM | Link to this

The Yankees got Ponson——uggggg. I know he’s not doing great but I would have loved the braves picking him up for NOTHING and trying him in our pen—as maybe a possible closer(if he does OKAY—thats all we can hope for at this point—-okay). I know it is a long shot—but he cost the yankees what 1/3 of a base salery for a season—nothing. What did the Braves have to lose. Try something. Come on.

By ryan bauer

July 13, 2006 06:02 PM | Link to this

What about Reggie Sanders for the outfield? I know that Langerhans bat is kind of weak and Sanders might be an upgrade and could be had for something minimal, just an idea.

By Head Coach

July 13, 2006 06:03 PM | Link to this

Wow , the Reds just pulled a doozy of a trade , traded three warm bodies( Austin Kearns OF , Felipe Lopez SS , Ryan Wagner RP ) and got five in return ( Gary Majewski RP , Bill Bray LP , Daryl Thompson RP , Royce Clayton SS and Brendan Harris IF ) not bad. Krath , you are dead on. Trading prospects and mortgaging the future is not the way too go. Mr. Schuerholz ? are you watching ? hello……….. get off your butt and do your job.

By Stanford

July 13, 2006 06:11 PM | Link to this

Everyone seems to think that the allstar break is the trading deadline. We have almost 3 weeks before the deadline. Who do you give up, and for what? I’m worried we will give away Giles or Hudson for a mediocre reliever. Hope not.

By The Grinch

July 13, 2006 06:12 PM | Link to this

NYFAN, your water may very well taste like Dom Perrignon now; I meant no insult. I haven’t been there since 1986. I’m just telling you my experience with it 20+ years ago.

By Kent

July 13, 2006 06:17 PM | Link to this

Kevin C:

First of all, I agree with you… Andruw will not be traded.

I don’t think Laroche is going anywhere because, again, his offensive production is pretty good, his glove is even better, and he’s still a relatively low-cost player by major league standards.

I don’t think Atlanta is in any hurry to get rid of a player like Giles, but trading him this winter is a distinct possibility. He is definitely an all-star caliber performer. I think most people around baseball conider Giles’ poor first half of this season to be nothing more than an aberration as he was adjusting to the leadoff spot. Which is to say… he still has trade value.

He will be getting a raise to about 5 million or more next season, and will be a free agent after that. Since the Braves will be clearing payroll by giving Sosa, Reitsma, and Thompson their walking papers this winter, they shouldn’t have any trouble paying Giles salary in 07. However, if Atlanta can good some good young talent in return for him, and if they feel they have a capable replacement at 2B, he might be dealt.

If the Braves hang on to Betemit, they may decide to deal Giles and play him and Prado at 2B next season.

As far as dealing Hudson or Ramirez is concerned… I think the 2nd half of this season will go a long way to decide that.

I think the Braves are looking forward to having 3 aces at the top of the rotation for the first time in a while (with the return of Hampton). If either Ramirez or C.James continue to develop to the point of proving himself to be a legitimate ace, then Hudson might be traded over the winter. If Ramirez and James are good, but not yet ready for prime-time, Ramirez would be the most likely starter to be traded this winter.

By The Grinch

July 13, 2006 06:17 PM | Link to this

Ryan, I seem to remember when Sanders was here last time he drastically underperformed. He had speed and some pop in his bat but he spent WAY too much time on the DL to warant his salary.

By TennesseePaul

July 13, 2006 06:21 PM | Link to this

I’m not that impressed with the Nats/Reds trade. It appears to be a lot of exchanging of fodder. Kearns and Majewski being the main guys. But we nail Majewski, so I’m more bummed from a divisional romping stand point. Kearns might now have been bad…

By Kent

July 13, 2006 06:22 PM | Link to this

Stanford: Don’t worry. Hudson isn’t going anywhere this season. And the only way the Braves would consider trading giles is if they got something in return that they feel will put them in an even better position to win both this year, and in the future.

Shuerholz isn’t hosting a blue-light special. Don’t worry.

By TennesseePaul

July 13, 2006 06:24 PM | Link to this

NY Yankees picked up Sindey Ponson. Glad that guys off the market. I don’t wanna see that crap distracting our GM. Ponson, Ortiz and Weaver are all locked up out of our reach. This is a good thing.

By Kent

July 13, 2006 06:25 PM | Link to this

Head Coach: I’m sure you’re just venting. Right??? Surely you don’t think Shuerholz is sitting around with his thumb up his butt. If there’s a beneficial deal to be made, JS will make it. I think he’s proven himself to be a pretty damn good GM, don’t you?

By Head Coach

July 13, 2006 06:26 PM | Link to this

Sidney Ponson , lol . That fat cow couldnt pitch in a slowpitch softball beer league.

By Kevin C

July 13, 2006 06:30 PM | Link to this

Kent

Good points, the idea of next year starting with Smoltz, Hampton, and Hudson is positive—plus I think this is why Smoltz will not be traded no matter what that idiot Steve Phillips says on ESPN. Then the final two spots are left for James, Davies, and Ramirez. With injuries and Hampton coming back I think you could see all 6 here next year unless JS is offered something for Hudson that blows him away. Next year the bullpen will have back Foster, Boyer, and Devine. Sosa, Reitsma—non tendered? and Thomson will be gone so there should be some money avaible but Hampton’s contract will eat up a great deal of room. A Few weeks ago there was tlak of a Nathan trade possibly from the Twins, any life to that still since their road to the playoffs is a lot tougher than the Braves

By ncscoots

July 13, 2006 06:36 PM | Link to this

man, if Weaver-Ponson action doesn’t tell you about the state of pitching for most major league teams, nothing will. I mean, to pick up THOSE guys, just on the CHANCE that they will be less horrifying than they have been to date…man. No wonder JS can’t find relief help at the right price. Other GMs probably think they can get tons for just about any pitcher able to get it to the plate on less than two bounces.

By DonCoburleone

July 13, 2006 06:37 PM | Link to this

I don’t know (unless he has a great second half) if there will even be that big of a market for Hudson in the offseason, but he would be the guy to trade after this year. I say trade him now if you can get something good in return. But all I know is that his salary jumps from 6mil next year to 13 mil in 2008 and 2009. I have been screaming this for weeks now; If we don’t trade Hudson before the deadline or in the offseason, WE WILL NOT RE-SIGN ANDRUW JONES! Mark my words…

By Robert(Justice Is the Best)

July 13, 2006 06:40 PM | Link to this

I think JS should give the Cubs a call and make a deal involving Giles and Langerhans for Williamson, Todd Walker, and Jacque Jones. It would give us the bullpen help we need and while Walker isn’t the greatest leadoff hitter he would be better than what we have now and Walker is capable of being a .300 hitter. Jones would give us some much needed speed and a quality bat.

Thoughts?

By Head Coach

July 13, 2006 06:40 PM | Link to this

No , he has proven track record of trading prospects for veterans. The McGriff trade worked out and thats about it. The Renteria trade looks great right now , but Andy Marte wil have something to say about that in the future. We are sellers in a buyers market and Schuerholz is not accustomed to being in this situation. Sorry Kent , I for one have not bought into the past 16 game streak of hope. I seem to remember June was the WORST MONTH OF BASEBALL IN THE FORTY YEAR HISTORY OF THE ATLANTA BRAVES. So , you guys can keep your bandwagon. I’ll heep ridng my stubborn mule, hee haw. The Braves in the playoffs ? yea , when pigs can fly.

By Kevin C

July 13, 2006 06:45 PM | Link to this

DonCoburleone

I think the chances of resigning A Jones are good and here is why:

1. He made his last deal and I would not be surprised if he does it again

2. Loves playing for the Braves and Bobby—his wife is a local girl correct??

3. the big spenders have their outfield tied up—Yanks, Bosox, Mets,—only threat is White Sox I think

4. Hudson never has seemed comfortable here and the only to teams who could absorb his escalating contract—yanks and Bosox—would they offer what we need and or want—Yanks are too old but would you take Crisp and Lester or hanson from the Red Sox for Hudson?

Food for thought—if Boras takes control of the negotiations then I do believe you are correct in that we will not resign him

By Steve

July 13, 2006 06:47 PM | Link to this

Surely if Jim Bowden and the Nationals can pull off a steal like they just did, the Braves can. Trouble is, I feel like they need another bat, a top starting pitcher, and a closer, and there’s no way they’re getting all that.

By Kent

July 13, 2006 06:47 PM | Link to this

Kevin C:

Agreed. Smoltz IS NOT going to be traded. Not this season, and not this winter. And anyone who suggests he might be at this point is an idiot. Smoltz is the most prolific post-season starting pitcher in the history of MLB. And the Braves goal is still to win another World Series. Heck, if Atlanta didn’t feel they needed Smoltz in the rotation, they would send him back to the bullpen (kicking and screaming) before they would trade him.

A lot of the national media types keep bringing up names like Smoltz and Hudson as possible trade-bait because they don’t believe Atlanta has any good reason to hold onto them. In their minds, the Braves’ season is over.

They haven’t been paying attention.

I won’t go on another long rant about all of the different things that are looking up for the Braves. I will simply say that they are.

There is a helluva lot of talent on this team. The rotation looks good, the offense looks great, and the bullpen has even been encouraging of late.

Steve Phillips and the rest of these ESPN, FOXSPORTS nerds need to get it through their minds that Atlanta’s season isn’t over (no matter how badly they want it to be). This team WILL be making a wild card push this season. And next year… well, the Mets had better pick up some more pitching or they’ll find themselves back in a familiar position (looking at Atlanta’s backside).

I haven’t heard anything about the Twins-Nathan rumors. Of course, while some of the rumore we all hear are substative… most aren’t. Who knows? It would be nice to get Nathan, unles of course they ask for a lop-sided (in their favor) package in return.

By TennesseePaul

July 13, 2006 06:54 PM | Link to this

The Renteria trade looks great right now , but Andy Marte wil have something to say about that in the future.

It’s these kinds of statements that I don’t understand. we have Renteria for 3 more years. 3. Our option was, get Renteria PLUS cash for an unproven minor league prospect. OR, pay Rafeal Furcal 14 million year (we’d have to meet or match LA) to hit .200 with 18 first half errors.
The Renteria trade was Gold. It will remain Gold no matter what Marte does. And, right now, Marte isn’t doing a thing. He’s a bust in AAA. he was such a franchise player to Boston, that they traded him a week later. McGriff, Hudson, and Renteria are by far the best trades JS has done. McGriff was incredible through and through. Hudson we got for Charles Thomas (where is he now?) and Juan Cruz. And Renteria tops ‘em all because we gave up 1, one, uno, minor leaguer for an AllStar short stop PLUS CASH. Renteria isn’t even a rental. He’s here for 3 years unless we trade him.

Marte can go on to be who ever he wants, but that trade was spectacular. Marte had no spot in Atlanta for at least 3 seasons. We had no short stop ready in our system for at least 2 season. It was a brilliant move which is paying off exponentially.

We are in a hole right now. we are 9 games under and 13 back in the division, 6.5 in the WC. How far back would we be without Renteria? The Royals would be ahead of us. JS has nothing to be ashamed of in that trade. Nothing.

By Kent

July 13, 2006 06:56 PM | Link to this

DonCoburleone: I don’t understand you Hudson haters. The guy has one poor 1/2-season, and you’re screaming SELL, SELL, SELL!!!!!

(And YES HE DID PITCH VERY WELL LAST YEAR contrary to popular belief around here… so we are only talking about a 1/2 season of substandard performance.)

You are wrong about keeping Hudson this year effecting our ability to re-sign Andruw next winter.

Even if Hudson doesn’t compete for a CY Young award next season, he’ll pitch plenty well enough to draw suitors. If we want to trade him after the 07 season, we will have no trouble finding a taker among teams like NY (either one), LA, St. Louis, and a couple other teams. True, we wouldn’t get the bounty of talent in return that we would get if we trade him this winter, but don’t think for a minute that we’ll be stuck with this. (BTW, I don’t think “stuck with” is a term anyone is going to be using in conjunction with Hudson’s name next year anyway. He’s a damn good pitcher, and we should all be happy to have him in a Braves uni.

By Robert(Justice Is the Best)

July 13, 2006 06:57 PM | Link to this

I think the trade I proposed with the Cubs would address all our needs excpet for starting pitching.

I also think maybe we should trade Hudson. The obvious place would be to the Yankees. I say we demand either Melkey Cabrera or Robinson Canoe along with Shawn Chacon. I know Chacon isn’t a great pitcher but he can be and look at what he did for the Yanks last season. Under Bobby Cox he could flourish instead of being in New York where the boo maybe the greatest player of our time, A-Rod. I think the Yanks would make the deal. They need a starter and they need one badly.

By the way I think acquiring Farnsworth isn’t such a bad idea. We need a closer and we were going to pay him what the Yanks are paying him anyway. So, what would the difference be. The same goes hfor him as Chacon I think the spotlight of the “Big City” is getting to him.

By ncscoots

July 13, 2006 07:05 PM | Link to this

TPaul, props to you, pal. That’s as well-reasoned and insightful a trade analysis as I’ve seen in some time.

By Kent

July 13, 2006 07:06 PM | Link to this

HeadCoach: I’m not even going to attempt to argue with you about John Shuerholz. There’s no argument I can make that will state his case any better than his track record. If you don’t recognize that… I don’t know what to tell you.

Now… as to the Braves’ prospects for this season. I will say the same thing to you that I’ve been saying about some of these ESPN/FOXSPORTS baseball “experts”.

You haven’t been paying attention HeadCoach. And I’ll give you 3 reasons why you are wrong about the Braves.

I posted most of this earlier, but here it is again for your reading pleasure :o)…

1-The Braves’ rotation has an excellent chance to be the best in the NL. Smoltz is still as great a big-game starter as the is in the majors. It would be a wise bet to count on Hudson having a MUCH better 2nd half. Also, prior to his last start (an aberration), Heracio Ramirez has been one of the sharpest pitchers in baseball over the last month. And don’t forget about Chuck James… a very good looking young starter.

2-The Braves have also has a chance to be as good as any in the NL. It just hit me the other day that this team has 5 all-stars at the top of its lineup. Granted, Chipper and Giles didn’t make this year’s team, but both have been all-stars and are still very much all-star caliber players. (And they’re starting to play like it).

After you get through the all-stars in the lineup, you have Francoeur and Laroche in the 6&7 slots. They are on track to hit a combined 60 homers and drive in 200 runs. And has anyone noticed the way the Braves’ latest phenom, Scott Thorman has begun to hit the ball? Name another team in the league that has this kind of thump at the back end of their lineup.

3-Even the bullpen is showing promise. Atlanta now has three relievers with ERA’s around or under 3.00 (Ray, Paronto, Yates), and two excellent young arms in Kevin Barry, and Phil Stockman (due back from the DL soon).

There is a helluva lot of talent on this team. This roster is significantly better than that of any of the teams currently in the NL wild card hunt.

By Scarlett Begonia

July 13, 2006 07:07 PM | Link to this

DOB: Where is it written that back to back winning seasons are a requirement to win the SB? See you on the bandwagon.

By Kent

July 13, 2006 07:10 PM | Link to this

Meant to say:

2-The Braves offense also has a chance to be as good as any in the NL.

By ILL-logical

July 13, 2006 07:15 PM | Link to this

John S and Bobby C WERE great ,in their primes. But that was then and this is now: every year for the last 4 years the goal has been to win the DIVISION,not the world championship.WHY? ‘Cause the moves were not about the money but the power to decide and that is why Stan K hit the road. John S likes to appear important- a napoleonic thing- and the local press has given him that privilage.(DOB) Now the chickens have come home to roost and all the talk of next season is all sci-fi. This crowd can’t fix it folks. Now or ever.

Toto has just pulled back the curtain.

By ncscoots

July 13, 2006 07:15 PM | Link to this

Robert, listen to yourself for a minute. Tim Hudson for Melkey Cabrera and Shawn Chacon? Giles and Langerhans for two players in their walk year and one with two years left on an overpaid contract? Huh?

By DHD

July 13, 2006 07:19 PM | Link to this

We should call Cincinnati. They’re giving away players for free. Freel would look nice in left field and leading off.

By Kevin C

July 13, 2006 07:36 PM | Link to this

Has anyone received SI yet? The players availble for bullpen are well known but what about Roberto Hernandez with Pittsburgh? They are going nowhere and a few prospects could not hurt them. JS and BC will look at the long haul and will not mortage the future by trading away pieces to fill in the holes in the next few years.Gammons said at the beginning of the year that he did not think Hudson is a NL type pitcher. Does anyone know what he means by this? By the way ESPN reported on their telecast that he is doing much better.

By DonCoburleone

July 13, 2006 07:37 PM | Link to this

I hate Steve Phillips, such a freakin Met’s homer, it’s unbelievable! I guess I can’t blame him since he was a part of the team for a number of years… But come on ESPN, did you really have to hire this guy? I swear, if it ain’t New York or Boston ESPN doesn’t consider it important…They probably had Phillips name his own salary they wanted him so bad, “He’s from the METS, OOOOOOOH, AAAAAHHHHH.”

By TennesseePaul

July 13, 2006 07:52 PM | Link to this

I enjoy reading about this “mortgaged future” option(s). Looking back through every single trade JS has made with the Braves, I can’t think of one that mortgaged the future. It’s going to be impossible to prove for any one. If the future was mortgaged, how did we win for 15 straight years? If the future was mortgaged, how did we win 14 straight divisions? How’d we make it to all those WS, NLCS and so on? Maybe, maybe if we had a few of the pitchers back would it would have helped the pen this year, but it isn’t a sure thing. The only thing sure about not making those moves is, we wouldn’t have won that season.

I think JS is going to make a trade one way or another by the deadline. I can’t imagine who he’ll get. In the offseason, when we needed a short-stop, who guessed Renteria would be coming to town? That came out of no where. JS has the ability to blow people away and I look forward to seeing what move he makes next.

By JT

July 13, 2006 08:02 PM | Link to this

Hey, Lay-off K Ray Joel. He’s been the Best out of the Pen this year!!

By ncscoots

July 13, 2006 08:03 PM | Link to this

TPaul, I’m even trying to come up with some pitchers’ names that went on to success. Jason Schmidt, but it was several years after the trade that he blossomed. Marquis? Middling success, but certainly no All-Star. Matt Belisle, Roman Colon, Jose Capellan, the kid who went to Oakland? How would those guys have helped, even this year? Zach Miner is having some success, and I guess there are others I don’t remember, but overall…

By Bob, journalist

July 13, 2006 08:04 PM | Link to this

10 Paul, high marks as per usua1 regarding the evaluation of what brung Edgar to Atlanta … I’m not much on trades but that was one of the best deals or steals of the young century. I agree that Andy once appeared to be a dandy and we awaited his arrival with bated breath … but to question that trade with “Marte may one day” … well, one day he may but for now, he’s gone from prospect to suspect and is more apt to be a flop than a fop.

What I find preplexing is the frequently expressed logic that we shouldn’t mortgage the ranch and all the livestock because … our shot at postseason play is highly problematical … and if we were to make it, we wouldn’t get very far.

You know that I agree with not mortgaging the ranch … but that suggests that it would be okay to so do … if it would greatly enhance our chances for postseason participation and success.

So much focus on single season success at the risk of undermining the organization … pondering that issue causes my little grey cells to hurt!

By journalist jimmy smith

July 13, 2006 08:04 PM | Link to this

aaron the giraffe is dead! that’s right, aaron the giraffe is dead. what did it? toes! toes are not to be trifled with. journalist will compose self and post a proper obituary later.

p.s. survived by betunia giraffe. condolences to betunia. this town needs a toe man. quick!

By Carolina Lady

July 13, 2006 08:05 PM | Link to this

Completely off the subject - Several bloggers recently mentioned a complaint with their toes. While cleaning out a bunch of old files today, I came across this ‘old fashioned remedy’: “Listerine therapy for toenail fungus… Get rid of unsightly toenail fungus by soaking your toes in Listerine mouthwash. The powerful antiseptic leaves your toenails looking healthy again.” For whatever it’s worth! :-))

By Kevin C

July 13, 2006 08:06 PM | Link to this

TennessePaul

Just wondering how would you rate the current farm system of the Braves? I can think of only three trades I wish would not have made, Millwood—had to. Wainwright—i Think JS believed he would have resigned except for Boras and the insanne offer from the Dodgers and Schmidt.

By DonCoburleone

July 13, 2006 08:06 PM | Link to this

Kent I’m not a Hudson HATER, I’m a Braves REALIST! I realize that this teams payroll over the next few seasons is going to stay the same or get smaller, so how exactly do we afford Hudson, Chipper, Smoltz, Renteria, HAMPTON and AJ? I am not talking about next year either, I’m talking about 2008 when AJ’s contract runs out. Lets see, Hampton is slated to make 14mil, Chipper 14mil, Hudson 13mil, Smoltz 8mil (i think), and Renteria 5mil (even with BoSox paying half). That’s $54mil for 4 Players! Now if we are to resign Jones, he will be at least $15mil per season. Now your up to $69mil for 5 players, and with a budget of $80 mil (or 76mil like this year) where do we get the rest of our players. I think Hudson is a great pitcher, which is why I think we could get alot for him and improve our team while still being able to afford AJ.

By Andy

July 13, 2006 08:14 PM | Link to this

Head Coach—-I repectfuly disagree with view on very near future of the Braves. Tenn Paul the only trade I regret (and will forever) Wainwraight/Marquis for Drew’s 1 year rental. Yes JS had no choice—probaly didn’t want the trade either—just had to get a good bat for a year. Wainwright just kills me—I was screaming at the time—still sad—oh well. My personel view on Ponson is that he was basically free and will do great for a “free” pitcher—no matter what.

By journalist jimmy smith

July 13, 2006 08:15 PM | Link to this

aaron giraffe, age nine, died today at zoo atlanta. aaron succumbed to toe issues. aaron is survived by betunia giraffe, the sole remaining giraffe in atlanta. aaron’s sweet spirit and long neck will be remembered by thousands of atlanta children who ejoyed his witty banter and love of the braves. aaron scored 90 on the hk intelligence test, which is smart for a giraffe. in lieu of flowers please send acacia tree leaves and shoots. oh, the mammality!

By ncscoots

July 13, 2006 08:15 PM | Link to this

I doubt that JS, getting ready to go into the last year of HIS contract, is likely to gut the fram system even were he so inclined. No way the guy wants his legacy to be “he destroyed the Braves for years to come”, instead of the sterling job he’s done for more than a decade. the guy just doesn’t have it in him to think short-term, even if he decides he won’t be here to see the fruits of his efforts.

By Andy

July 13, 2006 08:20 PM | Link to this

oh yeah—-the reds gave up two good everyday guys—and a good/decent propect for a couple of propects going in the wrong direction and an aging SS who a sub at best and an inning eater Bull pen guy. The reds really want bull pen help. Win at all costs for the owner.

By Stanford

July 13, 2006 08:20 PM | Link to this

You may need to check your numbers for the Braves payroll in 2008. I don’t think Smoltz is owed anything for that year. Chipper only makes 11 million that year.

By journalist jimmy smith

July 13, 2006 08:23 PM | Link to this

carolina lady, dob will be glad to hear about soaking bad toenails in listerine. yours is a useful post that will pay dividends to all concerned. dob will have better toes and increased life-span and his dates will be grateful that he now uses listerine. yep, pour it back in the bottle and gargle. serves two purposes. we journalists must be frugal.

By Bob, journalist

July 13, 2006 08:25 PM | Link to this

Jimmy, how old was Arron? Carol thinks he was their only male and would like to know more about the cause of death … was it really toes?.

By Justin

July 13, 2006 08:28 PM | Link to this

Does anybody think the pirates will trade thier closer gonzalez he is doing really good own a bad team?

By Head Coach

July 13, 2006 08:30 PM | Link to this

You know , I volunteer part-time coaching little leaguers and they actually listen when you tell them something , unlike their hard headed parents who drive me crazy. Those adult parents are like the some of the bloggers in here , hard headed , set in their ways and they refuse to listen. I’m done blogging till August…. see ya in three weeks.

By journalist jimmy smith

July 13, 2006 08:32 PM | Link to this

yes, bob, toes did him in. aaron had toe issues and required surgery. he had anesthesia but came out of it and briefly walked around and drank water. toes are not to be trifled with. aaron was nine years old.

By Bob, journalist

July 13, 2006 08:36 PM | Link to this

My Lady, the toes probably smell and taste better too!

Jimmy, it might have been something like Laminitis … we thought there was a second female.

By Glass Half Full

July 13, 2006 08:38 PM | Link to this

Gonzalez is still cheap, so I don’t really see the Pirates moving him unless they are completely overwhelmed by an offer.

By journalist jimmy smith

July 13, 2006 08:38 PM | Link to this

does a braves player have what now might be called, giraffe toe? is it possible that a braves player is suffering from overgrowth on the medial claw of the front hoof? jimmy smith will stay with this story until we have an answer. this is what journalists do.

By elbravo x

July 13, 2006 08:42 PM | Link to this

As I get ready to get on the 405 South (only an idiot would do this)on my way to San Diego for the three game series, I wonder: deal or no deal? This is my last time I get to see them live in ‘06, so what ever happens, I hope The Braves will never have to travel west to open the season and after the break. It messes everything up! Stay classy San Diego, lose 3 in a row!

By journalist jimmy smith

July 13, 2006 08:43 PM | Link to this

if it is laminitis the listerine should be helpful. let’s hope he is not away from the blog for long.

By Bob, journalist

July 13, 2006 08:47 PM | Link to this

Not to beat a poor dead giraffe, especially one so intelligent … but anesthesia and animals don’t mix real well … even though he came out of it, that could be the real culprit.

Baseball: Chad isn’t likely to be one so infected.

By journalist jimmy smith

July 13, 2006 08:49 PM | Link to this

no, and he is no longer a hanging chad with the ball dropping as it is now. perhaps hk could prepare a chart on these toe issues.

By Bob, journalist

July 13, 2006 08:51 PM | Link to this

You are evil!

By journalist jimmy smith

July 13, 2006 08:56 PM | Link to this

this is a baseball blog and jimmy smith is prepared to talk baseball just in case dob succumbs to the toe issues he has described in an earlier blog. whither a closer? whither the division? whither october? these are for contemplation.

By Andy

July 13, 2006 08:56 PM | Link to this

have a good one head coach—-see you in three weeks.

By Ralph

July 13, 2006 09:01 PM | Link to this

Pedro and that bunch of pre-Madonna will eventually start loosing more games and the back field will have opportunity to gain some games, but as for the Braves to gain any respectable number of games, they will not only need steady and constance hitting and starting pitching, but out of this world relieve pitching, along with a couple of trades. But 500 ball won’t do, unless the Mets completely collapse, and that won’t happen. The Braves have to many teams ahead of them.

By Carolina Lady

July 13, 2006 09:12 PM | Link to this

‘pre-Madonna’?? What was it before she came along? :-)

By Bob, journalist

July 13, 2006 09:17 PM | Link to this

Well before Madonna there was Marilyn, Betty, and Gretta.

By elbravo x

July 13, 2006 09:23 PM | Link to this

Louise Ciccone is PRE-Madonnas’ first and last name. Are we talking about baseball?

By Carolina Lady

July 13, 2006 09:25 PM | Link to this

Hi, elbravox! Not sure what we’re talking about! :-)))

By journalist jimmy smith

July 13, 2006 09:31 PM | Link to this

oh, the humanity! the blogger is right. all these pre-madonna mets are taking a tole on this season. maybe we should take a pole of bloggers to see what they think.

By Carolina Lady

July 13, 2006 09:41 PM | Link to this

Yes, it will interesting to see what roll it plays in the Division.

By Lew

July 13, 2006 09:44 PM | Link to this

Kent-I absolutley love your optimism. I hope you are 100% correct. Time shall certainly tell. Journalist Jimmy-remind me never to borrow your mouthwash. Later, Head Coach.

By Bob, journalist

July 13, 2006 09:51 PM | Link to this

And It thought it was Madonna Louise Ciccone … imagine that! Elbravo X is tring to make nonsense out of this intelligent discussion … shame, shame!

Jimmy, I’d loan you my 20 foot poll but I can’t find it … think I left it in Warsaw a while back. Sorry, but with all this war stuff I saw on TV today, I ain’t leaving Tennessee to go find it.

By David O'Brien

July 13, 2006 09:52 PM | Link to this

Lots happening today on an afternoon with your weary correspondent was supposed to be chilling by the pool, taking in the scenery, etc.

Instead, ended up at Braves’ workout for quite a while.

THIS JUST IN: Thomson’s shoulder is still sore, and he’s almost certainly going to miss his Tuesday start and probably go back on DL. Bobby said Jason Shiell (remember him from San Diego and Boston? No? OK, anyway…) is a possibility. He’s pitched well in three starts at Richmond, ERA just over 2.00 and 15 strikeouts with three walks in 21 innings. He missed more than a year after Tommy John surgery and Braves signed him off scrap heap.

Cormier also a possibility for that start, but Shiell sounds more intriguing and Bobby mentioned him by name to me.

HORACIO UPDATE: Hammy felt good today, he’s a go for his next start, but it’s moved back to Monday at St. Louis to give him an extra day of rest. That’s right, it means the Chuck James Show hits the Left Coast Sunday for a matchup with Jake Peavy (Pads moved back Peavy from Saturday to Sunday, meaning Chan Ho Park goes against Smoltz on Saturday).

Last thing, ANDRUW UPDATE: I asked him specifically about his anke, and it’s absolutely fine. He didn’t even know what I was talking about when I asked him if he hurt it swinging viciously the other day.

As for his All-Star Game experience, he said he and Garner talked during the game several times and they were in agreement on Andruw playing if situation arose, and when it got all the way to ninth inning Andruw wanted Beltran to stay in since he was swinging so well and it was so late in the game. He said if they needed a pinch-hitter vs. a lefty, he (Andruw) would have gone in, but otherwise he was perfectly fine with not getting into the game because he understood Garner had to save a couple of hitters in case the game went longer, etc.

Anyway, his point was that he was cool, him and Garner chatted several times during game, and there was no problem with Andruw as far as not getting into the game. It wasn’t as has been portrayed in some quarters, Andruw refusing to go in or whatever. Not like that at all.

By Bob, journalist

July 13, 2006 09:54 PM | Link to this

tring is southern for attemptin’

By Carolina Lady

July 13, 2006 09:55 PM | Link to this

Great work, DOB!!! Thanks from ALL of us!

By journalist jimmy smith

July 13, 2006 09:56 PM | Link to this

dob must step in and set this blog on a new course. of course, he should be fresh as a daisy now, thanks to carolina lady.

By journalist jimmy smith

July 13, 2006 09:58 PM | Link to this

whoa! good timing!

By David O'Brien

July 13, 2006 10:03 PM | Link to this

Head coach, you need to set old Orel Hershiser straight. He obviously doesn’t know anything about baseball, not like you do: Orel just picked the Braves to win the NL Wild Card on Baseball Tonight.

By elbravo x

July 13, 2006 10:08 PM | Link to this

BREAKING NEWS!! Orel H. of BBTN picked the Braves to win the WC. They mentioned the Braves, that is our first win of the second half….He likes us, he likes us, he really does!

By David O'Brien

July 13, 2006 10:08 PM | Link to this

Oh, and GEORGE: No, it’s not time to “re-tool” by sending Chipper to first base and Betemit the every-day 3B, or whatever you suggested. Keep saying it if you like hearing yourself speak, but let me reiterate: Chipper IS…NOT…MOVING…TO….FIRST…BASE.

Not this year, and not in forseeable future. It’s not being discussed. Period.

And when they do re-tool, they can do better than Wilson Betemit at 3B, believe me.

By the way, mark this down: Wilson Betemit has not and will not ever in his career have a three-week stretch as productive at the plate and in the field as Chipper Jones has had in the past three weeks. Never.

By Bob, journalist

July 13, 2006 10:12 PM | Link to this

Thanks for the update Mr. O’B! Sounds like good and bad news. I won’t belabor the obvious but I was rather hoping that Andruw had an ailment to explain his recent balancing act escapades at the plate.

Sounds like we might like Jason Shiell … wasn’t he part of the deal that sent Klesco to SD?

By elbravo x

July 13, 2006 10:15 PM | Link to this

Great, I say breaking news and the blog guru types first. 405, here I come, well in 2 hours anyways.

By journalist jimmy smith

July 13, 2006 10:16 PM | Link to this

dob, your thoughts on chipper are validated by hk’s latest work. check it out. please tell us more about jason shiell.

By Dirty Dawg

July 13, 2006 10:29 PM | Link to this

This cinches it…the Mets are on the cover of this week’s SI…once again the New York media has handed them the whole enchilada…ain’t gonna happen…it’s gonna be the biggest choke since the ‘64 Phillies…and it’ll be glorious.

By Tony Almeida

July 13, 2006 10:38 PM | Link to this

That may have been noble of him towards Beltran and Garner at the All Star Game, but their were Braves fans that wanted to see him play. Beltran shouldn’t have played the entire game.

By Carolina Lady

July 13, 2006 10:38 PM | Link to this

Dirty Dawg, it has something to do with pre-Madonna, but we haven’t quite figured it all out yet…..

By Bob, journalist

July 13, 2006 10:50 PM | Link to this

My Lady, you’re wonderful!

By Carolina Lady

July 13, 2006 10:53 PM | Link to this

Evenin’, Bob! Just a little tongue-in-check fun! Hope you’re wonderfully well this evening, sir! Can’t wait for the game tomorrow night!

By elbravo x

July 13, 2006 10:56 PM | Link to this

I get it, pre madonnas= mets!

By Carolina Lady

July 13, 2006 11:08 PM | Link to this

Hey, elbravo x! Yeah, Ralph posted earlier something about “Pedro and that bunch of pre-Madonna” and we were figuring it out. :-))

By ChrisinPA

July 13, 2006 11:18 PM | Link to this

Good stuff DOB. Listen - this makes total sense to me, let me know what you think, please. Pierre to the Braves to play left? I think its a no-brainer. We probably wouldn’t have to give up much to get him and the Braves could actually think about resigning him after this year to a reasonable contract. Any thoughts?

By flbravesgirl

July 13, 2006 11:24 PM | Link to this

Thanks for updating us, DOB. We appreciate you sacrificing your pool time.

Carolina Lady, lol at your “pre-Madonna” posts!

By Carolina Lady

July 13, 2006 11:29 PM | Link to this

Hey, Florida! Just a bit of harmless humor! (Glad you enjoyed it!) :-))

By Kentavo

July 13, 2006 11:36 PM | Link to this

So is pre-Madonna before “Like A Virgin”?

(Primadonna)

Newsflash from Myrtle Beach - Joey Devine is slated to START for Pelicans on Friday.

What’s up with that?

By Ron Roberts

July 13, 2006 11:49 PM | Link to this

It’s more than likely a rehab assignment for Devine, which means 2-3 innings, tops. No sweat.

By elbravo x

July 13, 2006 11:52 PM | Link to this

Chula Vista here I come. Carolina Lady, a joy to exchange wits! Stay classy San Diego!

By Carolina Lady

July 13, 2006 11:54 PM | Link to this

Always a pleasure, elbravo x!

By Bob, journalist

July 13, 2006 11:57 PM | Link to this

My Lady, I am doing well … It’s been a long and interesting day … even DOB said howdy! I’ve helped NYFan with his math, for which I got called a bad name in appreciation; discussed incomplete fools, Alligators and Toilets with Lew; commented on Lithia and Sulphur Water … all that together with memories of South Georgia as a kid; viewing the bombing of the Airport in Lebanon; learning of the tragic death of Aaron; admiring the artistry of 10 Paul as he evaluated trades, putting Listerine between my toes and now trying to identify the ladies to whom Ralph referred.

It’s been hectic but I’m glad to see that Elbravo X finally figured out that last one for us! It had me riffed!

By Carolina Lady

July 14, 2006 12:13 AM | Link to this

LOL! Bob, you summed it up perfectly! (As only you can!) I’m about to call it a day here. The alarm still goes off early. I’ve hired a lady to come in every morning to do all the things for my mother - get her up, bathed, dressed, fed, her room cleaned, etc. I feel like an idiot for not being able to do it myself these days, but at least she’s back home and in her own surroundings where she’s comfortable.

I enjoy your posts so very much! Have a GREAT evening! :-)

By Bob, journalist

July 14, 2006 12:34 AM | Link to this

ditto!

By Bo

July 14, 2006 01:23 AM | Link to this

DOB Chipper has been great the last 3 wks.Hope he keeps it up! Orel H. would make a great Mgr after Bobby Cox.

By Calvin

July 14, 2006 01:35 AM | Link to this

ChrisinPA, Now way. Pierre is just Langerhans with more speed. No stick whatsoever and he is not an OBS machine like some leadoff men are supposed to be.

By CharlotteDave

July 14, 2006 01:36 AM | Link to this

Wow DOB, you’re assuming an awful lot about Wilson Betemit. I can’t claim to know what type of numbers he would put up as a full time regular, but he’s certainly shown a lot of promise. As for your statement that Wilson Betemit will never in his career have a three-week stretch as productive at the plate and in the field as Chipper Jones has had in the past three weeks, he already has, defensively. When Chipper was hurt last year and Betemit got to start for an extended period of time he did a sensational job at third base, something that was much talked about. Don’t get me wrong: I’m certainly not advocating the Braves do anything with Chipper Jones, who is very important to this team, but let’s don’t underestimate Betemit’s potential. He has a lot going for him and is still only 24 years old.

By Calvin

July 14, 2006 01:36 AM | Link to this

That should be OBP not OBS.

By Bo

July 14, 2006 03:13 AM | Link to this

DOB No need to DISS the WNBA. Their All-Star game was sure as hell more enjoyable than the stinking pile of horessh!t the Braves called baseball for an entire month!

People keep blaming the bullpen for the braves struggles & saying that’s were we need the most help. Yeah it’s mostly horrid, but almost as much to blame if the fact we have no LF & Tim Hudson has pitched like a #5 starter most of the year. WTH is wrong w/ the dude anyway? He onlt pitches this crappy when he’s hurt. Ryan L looks more & more like 4th OF every game & they won’t give Diaz a shot. I wish JS would’ve gotten Huff. What is JS gonna do about LF?

By ncscoots

July 14, 2006 06:14 AM | Link to this

here’s the thing that none of our Monty Halls ever seem to address when floating all the trade-for-a-leadoff-hitter scenarios (both bizarre and otherwise): if left field yields a leadoff hitter, where do you bat Giles?

By Bob, journalist

July 14, 2006 07:23 AM | Link to this

Most honorable Scoots from North Carolina … Good Morning! Some suggest that Giles might best hit in the “for another team” slot. Contrary to popular opines, I think the lineup is strong enough so that it is of little consequence although I’d let him bat ninth, just before the leadoff hitter.

Do you know of anyone with an old Photoshop 6.0 Serial Number they’d share? I need to reinstall the software and I’ve misplaced my 7.0 CD. I have the 6.0 CD but can’t find the serial number and my registration records at Adobe are evidently corrupted so I can’t get it from them.

By dylan

July 14, 2006 08:57 AM | Link to this

Hey you guys leave Head Coach alone this guy is obviously among the baseball insiders being an actual heead coach himself he has insight into what its like dealing with major leaguers. Oh wait I forgot he is coaching little leaguers which has about as much to do with coaching a big league ball club as quarterbacking a backyard football game has to do with playing in the NFL. Gimme a break Head Coach do yourself a favor there is a great special being aired on discovery science channel about Bill James and his crazy theories on baseball take a peek if you are actually the ball scholar you claim to be it might interest your scholarly mind to learn some new ideas and ways of looking at the game. I sure hope the braves dont make a stupid trade like the reds did giving up two quality starting position players for 2 bullpen pitchers a ss that is about as valuable as a peso and a utility infeilder that shows no real promise. Congratulations to the Nationals they made a heckuva trade there a rarety for Jim Bowden.

By DHD

July 14, 2006 09:09 AM | Link to this

6 games back. We picked up .5 before we play a game.

By JasonInMaine

July 14, 2006 09:16 AM | Link to this

Here is an article from San Diego that yet again mentions Betemit and Linebrink in the same sentence…

[http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/padres/20060714-9999-1s14padres.html]

Regards, Jason

By JasonInMaine

July 14, 2006 09:32 AM | Link to this

DOB,

If the Braves and Padres are talking about a deal (even if it doesn’t involve Linebrink), do you think it could come to fruition as early as Sunday with the teams playing each other? Seems like a logical time to make the trade…

Regards, Jason

By Chopping Wood

July 14, 2006 09:37 AM | Link to this

DOB Wrote: “By the way, mark this down: Wilson Betemit has not and will not ever in his career have a three-week stretch as productive at the plate and in the field as Chipper Jones has had in the past three weeks. Never.”

This statement shows that DOB is losing his journalistic integrity and has become just another blogger. Betemit has not even had a chance as a starter so how could DOB make such a statement? I give you David Wright’s stats over A-Rod’s this year as exhibit A. Not that Betemit is another David Wright but until he gets some playing time, we will never know how good he might be. In addition, DOB picked the wrong criteria for the test as any MLB player can get HOT for a three week period. If DOB had said Betemit will never put together a 3 year stretch like Chipper’s, that would be more believable.

By krath

July 14, 2006 09:44 AM | Link to this

I thought the Wilson Betemit comment was a bit harsh as well. I have no dog in the “move Chipper to first” fight, but I do hold the thought that Wilson could be an every day big league player.

It seems running a baseball team is very much like running any big corporation. As the honcho, you committ to a direction. If things are going bad, you blame something else for the failure while continuing the direction you have chosen. You praise anything that mirrors that direction and “poo-poo” anything that suggests a change in direction. The pet projects or people who are “your” projects and people get all the patience in the world, while anything outside that plan is labeled as lacking so not worth the effort.

Some players are labeled as “everyday players who have great potential,” while others are labeled, “career utility guy.” Some Braves players have had literally years to become the player they have the potential to become. (and some ain’t never gonna be) Some never get the chance simply because someone “feels” they aren’t worthy.

Wilson Betemit has performed admirably in a tough situation. He must come off the bench when called and produce with the bat. He must fill in at short, 3rd and 2nd when called upon. He never knows when he is going to be in the lineup and when he’s going to be sitting. He’s never been given the opportunity to compete for a starting position. If he could have played the outfield, perhaps he would have been given an opportunity, but according to reports, he wasn’t much of an outfielder.

I don’t think we will ever see Wilson Betemit get a chance to play every day as long as he is a Brave. I think he will eventually be traded and become the next Braves trade version of Jermaine Dye.

And while we are on the subject of Wilson and playing……. I DO NOT HATE LaRoache. I’m sure he’s a wonderful guy. That said, he has one of the most graceful swings I have ever seen in baseball. It would make a great golf swing. But as a baseball swing… it’s long, it’s slow and it’s full of holes. He is at his maximum potential now. He isn’t going to get better. He, like Giles, will be hot when his timing is perfect and cold when his timing isn’t perfect. The good hitters can still hit even if the timing is a bit off. Guys like Giles and Adam with quirky swings are either going to be on or off.

Oh yeah….where was I going with this??? Wilson at first. I would make it happen or at least give it a shot. I don’t buy that first is an insurmountable transition for someone to make in a short period of time like some here and some columnists and some announcers have stated. If BJ can do it in one spring after not playing infield for 15 years, I don’t think it would be a problem for Wilson to pick it up. To insinuate it would be, is an insult to Betemit’s (or any competent infielder’s) ability! He’s a big enough target, he’s not like a 5’5” runt or anything. I’m not saying that is where he should stay the rest of his career but I think it would be an upgrade in offensive consistency without losing much if anything defensively for this year.

I think we will ultimately see WB as a much better than average major leaguer, who plays every day. I just don’t he will do it in Atlanta.

By Carolina Lady

July 14, 2006 09:54 AM | Link to this

Bob, I have version 8 if that would be of any help.

By krath

July 14, 2006 10:11 AM | Link to this

“I just don’t he will do it in Atlanta.”

Add “think” to that sentence.

By The Grinch

July 14, 2006 10:18 AM | Link to this

‘morning, all. Gosh, I wish I hadn’t been off doing other things last night. In looking back I find that the Mets existed before the Virgin Mary, Zoo Atlanta lost a poor girrafe due to hoof problems (maybe his widow could audition for closer?), Jimmy Smith cures halitosis from the toes up and journalist Bob has a 20-foot tall Polish indentured servant for loan. And to think, all I did was shoot pool for a couple of hours at my local den of iniquity!

By Lew

July 14, 2006 10:29 AM | Link to this

Good morning all. I was just on the Braves’ site-they have a huge article on who is available and contract terms for all. There is no pitching I would be interested in. Bob Wickman looks like he has been partying with his twin brother David Wells. Tori Hunter or Shannon Stewart look interesting for the outfield for the balance of the season. Grinh-you might enjoy a band called Soul Sirkus. It is Neal Schon on guitar and Jeff Scott Soto on vocals. You may have to get it from Amazon. It’s good old fashioned hard rock.

By The Grinch

July 14, 2006 10:45 AM | Link to this

Thanks, Lew. I still break out the old Journey stuff every now and then; does Neal have the monster juicy ‘fro from the 70’s, mullett and long earring from the 80’s or something entirely new? Regardless, I’m sure he still jams.

By Lew

July 14, 2006 11:04 AM | Link to this

No fro, no mullet and no Journey on this album (double w/ a DVD). This is straight out Hard rock. He also plays a good bit on the Jack Blades solo album, which is decent, but not as good as Night Ranger.

By Glass Half Full

July 14, 2006 11:05 AM | Link to this

Hey, don’t stop believin’

By Glass Half Full

July 14, 2006 11:07 AM | Link to this

Uh,oh. Night Ranger. “Sister Christian, oh the time has come…”

By Glass Half Full

July 14, 2006 11:11 AM | Link to this

Call me crazy, but I’ve got the urge to go out and buy “Stay Hungry” by Twisted Sister. I had it years ago on cassette and I’m sure we all know the shelf-life of tapes, but it was a great hard rock album. It sounded like it was recorded in someone’s garage.

By BravesFaninRockies

July 14, 2006 11:19 AM | Link to this

Calvin: You’re mostly right on Pierre, with another exception: Langerhans is a much better OF. He can play all three spots and can throw, which Pierre could never do. Juan’s a one-dimensional player — speed — and he’s starting to lose that as he ages, too.

By Glass Half Full

July 14, 2006 11:26 AM | Link to this

I’d rather take my chances on Jacque Jones before he becomes a Yankee (I know he’s not a lead-off guy, but he’s an offensive upgrade). After a slow start he’s having a solid year and he’s under contract through 2008. Also, the Chicago media is howling for someone to take him so the “re-building” of the Cubs can commence.

By Lew

July 14, 2006 11:28 AM | Link to this

Nothing overly crazy about Twisted Sister. Don’t judge Night Ranger on Sister Chrisitan, though. I saw them four times in concert and they rock as well as anyone. Does anybody have thoughts on Shannon Stewart of the Twins as an outfield possibilty and lead off guy? There sure isn’t any pitching. Heard the Mets were going to make a push for Livan Hernandez. Maybe El Duque needs family comfort as the Mets fold. Good morning NYFAN.

By The Grinch

July 14, 2006 11:29 AM | Link to this

“Stay away/from Captain Howdy…” Yeah, that was a good one too, GHF. I always thought Schon was underutilized with Journey (much like Vivian Campbell with “The artists formerly known as Def Leppard”); glad to hear he’s crankin’ it up, finally. As for Night Ranger, yeah, they were a chick band but they had two of the best guitarists ever. Brad Gillis filled in for Randy Rhodes when OZZY toured (right after Rhodes died); not many can say that. That’s him playing on Ozzy’s “Speak of the Devil” live alblum of Sabbath songs. His counterpart’s (Jeff Watson) signature sound was 8-finger tapping. I have an old Guitar World magazine interviewing the two and they said the crowd at a Night Ranger concert was usually 60 percent hot chicks and 40 percent guitarists with their mouths hanging open. That’s one thing about today’s pop-metal that really burns my a$$; nobody ever plays a guitar solo anymore. Yeah, 80’s bands looked like fairies and had cheesy melodies, but almost EVERY band had at least one dude who could (and did) throw down; often two. How great were Maiden and Priest in their prime? They each had two guitarists that could play circles around the fools from bands now that sell millions from looking like everyday yuppies and shuffling around on stage going “Look at me! I can look all brooding and pensive while playing basic chords in drop D with enough distortion to mask my lack of practice.” Not that I’m bitter, or anything.

By Glass Half Full

July 14, 2006 11:33 AM | Link to this

Hey, “Sister Christian” is a great song, especially in that intense shoot-out scene from “Boogie Nights.”

By Glass Half Full

July 14, 2006 11:35 AM | Link to this

Hey, “Sister Christian” is a great song, especially in that intense shoot-out scene from “Boogie Nights.”

By Lew

July 14, 2006 11:35 AM | Link to this

Hell, Iron Maiden now plays with THREE guitarists, all of whom are better than most out there today. Sure wish Ritchie Blackmore would break out of his Renaissance funk and get Candace Night a REAL rock and roll band. Deep Purple just isn’t the same with Steve Morse. Please. No Juan Pierre. As Braves’Fan In Rockies says, he can’t throw. Don’t give up on Langerhans quite yet. He had been playing with a hip flexor problem and is now heating up. He’s definitely worth keeping even if only for late innings defense.

By Glass Half Full

July 14, 2006 11:36 AM | Link to this

Didn’t mean to post twice.

By KC

July 14, 2006 11:36 AM | Link to this

Anyone read Jeff Schultz’s column today?

I agree with Jeff S. in one regard… it starts tonight. Hudson absolutley must come through for the Braves in the 2nd half. Starting pitching is the #1 key.

But while Jeff’s blog seemed to emphasize the sharp grade of the hill the Braves will have to climb, I would like to point out that there is plenty of reason to be encouraged.

First of all, the odds are pretty long that Huddy doesn’t get things ironed out in the 2nd half. He’s simply too good a pitcher. Also, HoRam has pitched impressively. His ERA is marred by a couple of especially bad outings (such as his last start), but those have been few and far between. Chuck James has looked good so far, and based on the way he is thought of (quite highly) by scouts thoughout baseball, I doubt it’s just beginner’s luck.

The 5th starter slot is a problem right now (as it is for many teams), but hopefully we’ll get Davies back in a month or so as expected.

I believe Jeff’s statement that “It (the bullpen) won’t be fixed this season” is a little premature. There is still a posibility in my mind that someone from within this organization could step up to handle the closer role (even mid-way through the season). It’s happened before in Atlanta, more than once. We’ve got a couple of great young arms in Kevin Barry and Phil Stockman. And have we really given Ken Ray all that much of a chance in this role?

And while many who post here, and even some of the “professional” AJC columnists, are fond of intimating that John Shuerholz is reclined in his office, sipping apple cider and watching Cosby Show re-runs… I happen to believe that he is in fact working the phones quite actively, and that there’s a distinct possiblity that something will happen before the deadline. I’m not predicting anything earth-shattering, but don’t give up on the possiblity of JS imporing some noteworthy bullpen help.

Sure, the odds are stacked against them, but with the talent we have in the rotation, A very potent offense, and a bullpen that’s showing signs of life…

There is plenty of hope for this season.

By Lew

July 14, 2006 11:43 AM | Link to this

I get the feeling that BC is not entirely comfortable with The Death Ray. I have no idea why, but I do get that impression. He’s saved five and blown two. Sure beats Chris Reitsma who apparently still has BC’s approval. Glass Half Full, don’t get me wrong, Sister Christian is a good song, so is Sentimental Street, but too much has been made of power ballads. Give me Rock In America any day.

By The Grinch

July 14, 2006 11:48 AM | Link to this

I don’t think Shurholtz is being completely idle, either. He’s under more financial restrictions than he was back when he got his free-wheeling reputation, and he knows how heavily scrutinized what few moves he’s able to make will be. He doesn’t want to make a monumental mistake, and I don’t blame him. I’m sure something is in the works. And no Juan Pierre. Speed doesn’t mean squat if you can’t get on base. Langerhans isn’t all THAT bad. Give the man a chance. He plays good D, his hits are usually timely and he’s been coming around lately. If the right deal for an obvious improvement comes along, then yeah. But Pierre isn’t it.

By KC

July 14, 2006 11:55 AM | Link to this

I think the future (and the NEAR future at that) of left field is not Langerhanz or someone like Peirre. I think it’s Scott Thorman. This guy has a lot of potential and is really starting to rip the ball.

His natural position is 1B, but LaRoche is too valuable to bench (on pace to hit 27 homers, 90 RBI, and 42 doubles over 550 AB’s), and he plays a great firstbase.

Don’t look for the Braves to trade for a leftfielder. They’ve already got one in the person of Scott Thorman.

By The Grinch

July 14, 2006 11:58 AM | Link to this

Smokin’ solo, Lew; that’s what I’m talkin about. Steve Morse is with Deep Purple, now? Man, I’m out of touch with the present. I noticed the third Maiden guitarist on the video for “Wicker Man,” but I haven’t taken the plunge and bought the alblum yet. Most of my CD collection stops about 1988-89. I guess I’m a dinosaur. Fixin’ to go hit the gym and try to work off some of this Guiness. I’ll check in with y’all before the game tonight.

By Lew

July 14, 2006 11:58 AM | Link to this

I also doubt that JS is sitting twiddling his thumbs (and I wish he would sign my copy of his book), there just isn’t much affordable pitching (or worthwhile) out there. Check the post on The MLB section of the Braves’ site. There’s a huge list of who is available and what their contract terms are. The cupboard is bare. I’ll talk later people, the blood sugars acting up today. Got to get agrip on it before I pass out.

By BOB C

July 14, 2006 12:07 PM | Link to this

T Paul - Just got around to reading your venom concerning Farnsworth. Biased? Much too mild a word. And as for the 8th inning in Houston last year - please look at a video of that game some time - the frigging guy threw SIX, count them SIX outs in that inning but two incredibly bad calls and a botched play at second lead the that debacle. I think we should only require a guy to get three (maybe four on occasion) outs in an inning - not six. He isn’t Mariano but he’s sure as heck better than anything we have this year. Sadly, we will not get him back - at least not this season.

By TennesseePaul

July 14, 2006 12:51 PM | Link to this

Bob C: I’ve seen those “six outs”. Never the less, I also saw the meet he served up twice. No amount of fielding blunders can cover a home run. And even with six outs, a 5 run lead should be safer than he made it. And then, to cap it all off, he ran the Braves into the ground and took of the New York.

10 games behind the Giants on Aug. 2
So, if we can get to 10 games back before August, we are looking at the equivalent or better than the 1993 season. And, as the schedule would have it, we play the Mets three times before August 2. We may very well be 8 or 9 out by August 2nd. There will be a lot of people tossing in the towel, but I bring it up just to show that it isn’t impossible. It is going to require the same thing to wint he Wild Card as it is the Division. Excellent playing the rest of the year. And with the Month of August being as simple as it appears, it’s very feasable. But the Braves can’t expect to coast through any game or any series from here until the end of October if they want to win.

GO BRAVES

By TennesseePaul

July 14, 2006 12:55 PM | Link to this

.took off to New York.
I doubt we’ll trade for him back any who. And I really appreciate him stumbling for the Yankees.

By David O'Brien

July 14, 2006 12:59 PM | Link to this

Who was it that said I was wrong about Betemit and that he’d already had as productive a three weeks as Chipper DEFENSIVELY?

Uh, see, offense was a big part of the equation _ at least half, actually _ when I said Betemit wouldn’t have as good a three-week stretch as Chipper ever.

Let’s narrow it down further. Let me know when Betemit has a 13-game stretch like the one Chipper has put together during this hitting streak he’s on: .510 (26-for-51) with seven doubles, four homers, 15 RBIs, six walks and a 1.483 OPS.

When Wilson does that, just throw that back in my face. Until he does, just keep mumbling about how it’s time to retool and move Chipper to first base so we can get Wilson in the everday lineup. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

DonC, someone was right when they said you need to check your math. Smoltz is owed NOTHING in 2008. His option is for next season, then nothing more. And Chipper renegotiated his contract and is owed $11 mill in 2008, not $14 mill as you said.

So there’s $11 million that your figures were off by.

By David O'Brien

July 14, 2006 01:06 PM | Link to this

Lew, Twisted Sister and Night Ranger? Seriously?

We go from discussing the likes of Neil Young, Wilco, Hank Williams, Metallica and Ramones to discussing … Twisted Sister and Night Ranger?

Dude, how ‘bout throwing in some Toto, long as you’re bringing the music discussion to a screeching halt?

By TennesseePaul

July 14, 2006 01:33 PM | Link to this

DOB: I recall your previous blog (several days ago) stating Hamptons contract is valued at $8 million a year for the Braves. Was that due to all the money from the trading of Hampton? I bring it up because DonC put up all those figures. Besides being off by the $11 million you mentioned, he listed Hampton as $14 million a year, which I believe is his value on the contract. But if the $8 million figure you mentioned was correct, then that’s an additional $6 million dollars to add to (or subtract from) the pile.

So let’s see: Hampton $8 Million, Chipper $11 Million, Hudson $13 Million, Smoltz $0, and Renteria $6 Million. That’s $38 Million for 4 Players. So, if we are to re-sign Andruw Jones at about $15 Million per season, the payroll is up to $53 Million for 5 players. And with a budget around $80 Million we have around $27 Million to spend on LaRoche, Francoeur, McCann, 2B, Bench, Bullpen, Starters 3 through 5 and… well, maybe this is easier. The Florida Marlins are fielding a $15 Million dollar 25 man roster. Where do we get the rest of our players? Most of the rest of our players are making league minimum.

By CharlotteDave

July 14, 2006 01:42 PM | Link to this

Who was it that said I was wrong about Betemit and that he’d already had as productive a three weeks as Chipper DEFENSIVELY?

That was me Dave, and I think I made it clear I was only talking about the defensive part.

Let’s narrow it down further. Let me know when Betemit has a 13-game stretch like the one Chipper has put together during this hitting streak he’s on: .510 (26-for-51) with seven doubles, four homers, 15 RBIs, six walks and a 1.483 OPS.

How often has Betemit had the opportunity to do something like that? He has had some real good hot streaks, though, but my point has never been to compare Betemit to Chipper Jones. I just think he is better than you’re giving him credit for, so I was just trying to defend him a little bit. And no, I’m not one that wants to move Chipper to first base, at least not for the remainder of this season, if ever.

By KC

July 14, 2006 01:44 PM | Link to this

The Braves owe Hampton 12.5 next season. If I understand it correctly, insurance covered 60% of that (7.5 mill) this year.

By TennesseePaul

July 14, 2006 01:53 PM | Link to this

I’m lost as to what’s owed Hampton. I thought it was in the $14 Million range until David’s blog the other day.
KC: Where did you find the insurance percentage estimate for his contract?

DOB I have another question. When a player goes on the DL, be it 15 or 60 day, and he still is able to come back and play that same year, does insure cover any of the time he was on the DL? Or does the insurance only kick in when the guy is out for 90% to 100% of the season?

By TennesseePaul

July 14, 2006 02:00 PM | Link to this

Insurance

By KC

July 14, 2006 02:05 PM | Link to this

I beleive I heard that 60% figure (on Hampton’s salary) from the guys on the Braves post-game radio show.

Hampton will make 14.5 million this year, but as per the 3-way trade arrangement a few years ago, the Colorado Rockies will be paying 2 million of that next season.

By NYFAN

July 14, 2006 02:18 PM | Link to this

The Astros made the wild card a little tougher to get for the braves by getting Huff from the Devil Rays. He’s already paying dividends in his very first game.

By JJ

July 14, 2006 02:18 PM | Link to this

Chuck “Cy” James is the MAN!!!

By KC

July 14, 2006 02:19 PM | Link to this

INSURANCE:

Well, I’ve heard it said that Hampton progressed so well in his rehab, that he might actually be able to return befor the end of this season, but that the Braves couldn’t do that because they would then lose their insurance money.

I’m sure that’s accurate. Insurance only covers players who are lost for the season. Now whether or not insurance covers a season-ending injury that occurs during the season… I don’t know. But I’m certain that the Braves don’t get insurance payouts every time a player is on the DL for a significant length of time. I’m sure that kind of policy would be cost-prohibitive.

By journalist jimmy smith

July 14, 2006 02:19 PM | Link to this

journalist jimmy smith is assisting others who are looking for a very long pine box with a hinged top. if you should know of such a box in the metro area please contact jimmy smith immediately. thankyouverymuch.

By KC

July 14, 2006 02:22 PM | Link to this

NYFAN: Agreed. Houston didn’t get the memo. It’s going to be hard enough. They’re not supposed to be making it even harder!!! LOL

Yeah, this whole “8 teams to pass” argument is driving me crazy. None of the other teams in the wild card hunt are worth a flip except for Houston and LA. They are the teams I’m worried about (especially Houston).

By KC

July 14, 2006 02:26 PM | Link to this

JJ: I hope you’re right. I hope he is in fact “Tha MAN”! It looks like he’s going to be a good one. I’m looking forward to his next start.

By Josh

July 14, 2006 02:28 PM | Link to this

DOB, I know you are tired of hearing the same oll question, “What are the trades lookin like in the rumor mill?” but, What are the trades lookin like in the rumor mill?

Sorry, I HAVE TO KNOW PLEASE TELL

By journalist jimmy smith

July 14, 2006 02:30 PM | Link to this

finding a suitable cofiin for aaron giraffe is a good example of difficulties that can arise before burial… journalist is reminded of the sad story of larry laprise, inventor of the hokey pokey. larry lived to be 93 years old and passed quietly at home. his remains were transported to the funeral home and all went well until larry was placed in the coffin. they put his left foot in … and the trouble began.

By chopthis

July 14, 2006 02:34 PM | Link to this

Hey Dave,

Spent the break re-reading “The Boys of Summer,” Roger Kahn’s classic 1970s “where are they now” on the old Brooklyn Dodgers of the 1950s. There’s plenty of great stories and details from Kahn’s days working the baseball beat. I’m sure you’ve read it, but believe me, you’d enjoy it just as much the second (or third, or fourth) time around. It’s timeless.

It wouldn’t be a bad idea for the AJC to play catch-up with a few of the old Braves. I’d love to know what Biff Pocoroba & Co. are up to these days. You could gravytrain off old Roger for a whole series of articles.

By KC

July 14, 2006 02:45 PM | Link to this

Cudos to Ken Rosenthal! He’s the first national media type that I’ve heard acknowledge that the Braves have turned things around and that they shouldn’t be counted out of the wild card race.

By Chop Chop

July 14, 2006 02:53 PM | Link to this

Chipper’s offense isn’t half of his game at third base, DOB. I’d say it’s closer to 75% of what he brings to the team at that position. If he’s hitting really well, he easily makes up for his poor defense. If he’s hitting like he was a month ago, he doesn’t make up for it at all. Fortunately for the Braves (and the fans, of course), Chipper’s turned things around and is knocking the cover off the ball. He’s not going to hit .510 for the rest of the season, but if he can keep his average up over .310 in the second half, he’s going to play a huge role in helping the Braves push towards the postseason.

By Ptown Bravo

July 14, 2006 03:08 PM | Link to this

DOB - For your (mostly) impeccable music taste: Darrell Scott & Tim O’Brien, Real Time; Uncle Tupelo, No Depression (the unofficial theme to 2006 Braves, Pt II); Son Volt, Joe Citizen’s Blues; and Delta Moon, Goin’ Down South…with apologies to The Be Good Tanyas (Chinatown), Erin Mckeown (Distallation), Ben Harper (Both Sides of the Gun), and Buddy Guy’s recent collaboration (Bring ‘Em In)with the likes of Keith Richards and Tracy Chapman.

As for the Braves…from someone who has been cheering all along for Wilson to get his chance in the Show, I cannot believe the blog movement here to displace Chipper. My jaded southern fellow rednecks, we have the good fortune as Braves’ fans to watch two first ballot Hall of Famers on a daily basis. They (the Jones boys) have earned the right not to be judged on a game-to-game basis.

I’ll be in San Diego all weekend to support the game’s best center fielder (yeah, still, even at the ripe ol’ age of 29), the game’s best switch-hitting 3rd baseman, and the rest of those overpaid, underperforming has-beens y’all are so eager to replace with the Wilsons and Juans of the Major League world.

Wild Card=Ya Never Know…stay positive, stay tuned.

By TennesseePaul

July 14, 2006 03:18 PM | Link to this

Ptown: Nice post. I used to live in a place we dubbed P-town in the OC.

By journalist PENN

July 14, 2006 03:19 PM | Link to this

QUOTE: “So let’s see: Hampton $8 Million, Chipper $11 Million, Hudson $13 Million, Smoltz $0, and Renteria $6 Million. That’s $38 Million for 4 Players. So, if we are to re-sign Andruw Jones at about $15 Million per season, the payroll is up to $53 Million for 5 players. And with a budget around $80 Million we have around $27 Million to spend on LaRoche, Francoeur, McCann, 2B, Bench, Bullpen, Starters 3 through 5 and… well, maybe this is easier. The Florida Marlins are fielding a $15 Million dollar 25 man roster. Where do we get the rest of our players? Most of the rest of our players are making league minimum.”

Are you telling us that Smoltz is going to pitch next year for nothing? I rather doubt that since the club has an $8 million for 2007.

As for the Marlins they do haved a very low payroll but it will hit $19 this year and not the $15 that is being reported.

As for how DOB got the $8 mil price for Hampton I believe it goes back to the time JS traded for him. Since the first three years were mostly paid by Florida and Colorado JS chose to PRO-RATE the remainder over the entire period of the contract rather than sit back and get hit for the whole enchalada during the last 3 years. Consequence: He has already written off that portion, resulting in $8 million being charged to the budget these next 3 years.

DOB, please correct this if my memory has gone bad.

By The Grinch

July 14, 2006 03:22 PM | Link to this

DOB, in defense of Lew, it was Glass Half Full who brought up Twisted Sister, and only their first alblum because of it’s raw recording sound. I mentioned I liked “Captain Howdy” off that alblum (and owned a copy for several years), and Lew demurred from agreeing. He DID bring up Night Ranger (which GHF made fun of in a good-natured way), and I supported the pick because they had two excellent guitarists and I hate the fact that nobody plays smokin’ guitar solos anymore in rock music. I think we all agree that stuff was cheesy, but it’s nice to reminice sometimes. Heck, there aren’t too many kinds of music I DON’T listen to, when it comes down to it, as long as there’s some talent/and or feeling involved.

By journalist PENN

July 14, 2006 03:24 PM | Link to this

For you guys who like to keep up with the rookie crop of prospects it looks like the Braves are at it again. Here is a link to their international activities. Sounds like they may have struck gold again.

http://www.ajc.com/braves/content/sports/braves/stories/0714prospects.html?cxntnid=brv071406e

By journalist PENN

July 14, 2006 03:32 PM | Link to this

I watched Juan Pierre play in South Florida from the day the Marlins got him from Colorado. He is fast and he can hit (occasionally) but he is no Langerhans. He has no arm at all, not even as good as Country Brown.

I would never trade Langerhans for him, NEVER.

By Lew

July 14, 2006 03:33 PM | Link to this

DOB-In all fairness I didn’t bring up Twisted Sister, someone else did. I refuse to apologize for Night Ranger. I like them. Besides, if you remember, I did ask you for the names of some good new hard rockers. I just can’t get into country. Sorry.

By The Grinch

July 14, 2006 03:33 PM | Link to this

P’town Bravo, Tim O’Brian and Buddy Guy are the only two I’ve actually listened to on your list, and they are excellent. I have several friends trying to turn me on to Uncle Tupelo but I haven’t got around to them yet. As far as Chipper’s defence goes, he is really good at charging a slow roller and flipping it to first, sometimes bare handed, and I always cheer that play. His side-to side range is pretty mediocre, though. He isn’t what he once was, but still swings a productive bat and the team seems better with him in the lineup. I don’t think we should hang him just yet. :-)

By Lew

July 14, 2006 03:36 PM | Link to this

Grinch-I have some more hard rock ideas for you, but maybe you better contact me at lewhartman@webtv.net. Wouldn’t want to bore the effetists now, would we?

By journalist PENN

July 14, 2006 03:43 PM | Link to this

Bob journalist,

Post your request for “Photo Shop 6” at this place http://p100.ezboard.com/fthegoodthebadandtheugly49488computersqahowto and the odds are good you will get a very quick answer.

You may have to register once to get in but that is painless and your ID will not be given or sold to anyone. That is a private blog about politics with a side forum on computers, a very good one with some real pros on board.

http://p100.ezboard.com/fthegoodthebadandtheugly49488computersqahowto

By KC

July 14, 2006 03:47 PM | Link to this

journalist: Langerhanz… Pierre… it’s all a non-issue, because Scotty Thorman’s gonna be the full-time guy out there in left very soon. This guy looks like the real deal. Of course, time will tell.

By chiefnocahomer

July 14, 2006 03:49 PM | Link to this

BREWER’S LOOKING TO GET MAD-DOG? IF THEY CAN AFFORD HIM WHY NOT ATLANTA? HE COULD CLOSE GAMES WITH THE BEST OF THEM. AN 0-2 OUTSIDE CHANGE UP IS AS HARD TO HIT IN THE NINTH AS IT IS IN THE FIRST…

By Lew

July 14, 2006 03:54 PM | Link to this

Except Maddux has gone about 2-9 recently.

By The Grinch

July 14, 2006 03:57 PM | Link to this

Will do, Lew. This forum does have some good taste (especially with country and bluegrass) but doesn’t seem to be very hard rock friendly. No HARD feelings, anyone. :-) KC, I like Thorman too and think he will be a mainstay at some point, but I doubt they’re giong to throw him into the fire full time at a position he’s not familiar with yet.

By The Grinch

July 14, 2006 04:02 PM | Link to this

Journalist Jimmy, if Aaron starts doing the hokey-pokey at his funeral it could turn quite interesting. If he accidentally kicks someone in the face it could spread hoof-and-mouth disease! Let’s make sure no Braves will be in attendence, especially Chipper…

By KC

July 14, 2006 04:10 PM | Link to this

Ditto Lew. I love Maddux, and it would be great to see him finish his career in Atlanta, but I’m not sure he can really help our team right now.

By Carolina Lady

July 14, 2006 04:10 PM | Link to this

Listerine, Grinch! Listerine!!

By Chop Chop

July 14, 2006 04:12 PM | Link to this

If Night Ranger is “hard rock”, does that make .38 Special “death metal”?

By The Grinch

July 14, 2006 04:21 PM | Link to this

No; Slayer, Obituary, Sepultura, Arcturus, Napalm Death, etc. are death metal, and I listen to them too. In addition to .38 special. It’s ok to be ecclectic in one’s musical tastes. Hold on loosely, Chop Chop! Thanks for the advice, Carolina Lady; as long as it isn’t Jimmy’s recycled listerine…

By Carolina Lady

July 14, 2006 04:22 PM | Link to this

I found this music a while back and have enjoyed it immensely - especially on that looooong boat ride between Cedar Island and Ocracoke. It makes whatever is wrong in your world just evaporate.

Scroll down to “The Other Side of the Universe”; from there and down is just wonderful. (Rock, it ain’t!) :-))) Link

By KC

July 14, 2006 04:24 PM | Link to this

The Grinch: Agreed. I don’t think they are thowing him into an everyday LF starting job.

BUT, that’s where he’s getting most of his playing time right now, and if he continues to tag the ball the way he was heading into the break… They won’t have any choice but to pencil him in the lineup in LF nearly every day.

I would look for a lot of Thorman starts in left, with Langerhanz getting into a lot of games as Thorman’s late-inning defensive replacement (along with an occassional start).

By Lew

July 14, 2006 04:25 PM | Link to this

Chop Chop, you’re judging Night Ranger on “Sister Chrsitian” (God I hate Heavy Metal ballads-what an oxymoron). Compared to this, yes .38 Special is somewhat harder. However, listen to their first album “Dawn Patrol”. I promise .38 Special never did anything as rockin’ as “Don’t Tell Me You Love Me” or “Eddie’s Going Out Tonight”. I still say don’t give up on Langerhans. His defense is excellent and I think he was playing hurt. He has heated up considerably with the bat. Thorman needs to be eased into left and we need him to spell Roachy at times, too.

By journalist jimmy smith

July 14, 2006 04:27 PM | Link to this

esteemed grinch, it is hoped that aaron will not pose difficulties from the coffin (assuming that a suitable coffin can be obtained). aaron’s death, sadly, arose from the toes … everyone knows not to trifle with toes. now, interesting observation about uh, chipper. will he attend services for aaron? chipper is in san diego, right?

By Paula

July 14, 2006 04:32 PM | Link to this

I’m still trying to figure out why some of you think Thorman is “the real deal”???

By TennesseePaul

July 14, 2006 04:34 PM | Link to this

PENN: that was from DonC’s 2008 posting. Not 2007. Smoltz is up for 8 million in 2008

By Chop Chop

July 14, 2006 04:35 PM | Link to this

Metallica (the band) used to f*****’ rule and stuff. The music they made when they ruled still rules, of course. The band just grew up and wussed out. It happens. However, when performing their harder stuff from the 80s, as Beavis says, “They kick a*s! Mmm-hmm-hmm-hee!” I own all of their albums…except for St. Anger. For some reason, I’ve never had a hankerin’ to listen to “Metallica does Linkin Park/Korn”. Just ain’t my cup of tea.

By brian

July 14, 2006 04:36 PM | Link to this

don’t forget REO Speedwagon as well, or the supergroup Damn Yankees (they did have a good name), or Firehouse. What ever happened to Drivin’ and Cryin’ anyway? Last question was serious.

I am excited for tonights game. I hope Hudson has the grit to get fired up for tonight, take the team on his shoulders, and just say it starts here tonight. Chipper is staying at 3B period, and hopefully he will keep hitting. If anyone is moved I still think it will be Giles with Betemit or Prado being plugged in at 2B. As much as I like Giles, he is the one we have replacements for in the system and he is the arbitration eligible player/free agent that probably will not be here next year.

What ever happened to the Giles for Wainright and a prospect talk?

By TennesseePaul

July 14, 2006 04:38 PM | Link to this

PENN: that was from DonC’s 2008 posting. Not 2007. Smoltz is up for 8 million in 2007.

It’s like my hands want to make it as confusing as possible.

By brian

July 14, 2006 04:39 PM | Link to this

DOB-

I am just getting hooked on country especially after watching Walk the Line.

What 3 country albums would be the best to start my collection?

(Can I also ask what 3 trades you realistically see as possible for the Braves? Sorry had to ask)

By TennesseePaul

July 14, 2006 04:47 PM | Link to this

I wonder if Smoltz will come back in 2008. DOB Has Smoltz thought about returning after this contract?
I’d love to see him return. Maybe that year he can come back and have the bullpen be lights out for him. Hopefully the pen will do that the rest of the year and all of next year. He’ll have a chance to retire with 200 wins, 150 saves, and 3,000 Ks if he keeps having games like he did the other day.

By journalist jimmy smith

July 14, 2006 04:47 PM | Link to this

carolina lady, that is some soothing music. did jimmy smith detect a lute? do not hold hope for dob’s approval … this is not his cup of listerine. the vocals are interesting - short of a shrill vocal with horns in back - and is that a snare? sadly, this will not do for dob! he must have pickup trucks in there somewhere. now, hostas … journalist is missing another hosta from the yard. jimmy smith is armed with a crossman air rifle purchased only last week. but, who is stealing the hostas? certainly, aaron is no longer a suspect. cia? valerie plame?

By Old Faht

July 14, 2006 04:55 PM | Link to this

This is an interesting site. Really enjoy Dave’s insight, knowledge and humor (“replaced by a Putz and traded for a Chick”) is a classic. Lots of knowledgeable and passionate fans weigh in here, discussing this and that. No fan hurts more than I when the Braves lose. Its been that way for me since I was a 9 yr old in 1966, and attended my first major league game. Have taken in many since then, through bad times, really bad times, and good times. This year has been painful. I am hopeful for improvement, though.

Now, for those who think Schuerholtz is a do nothing, though lucky, dullard, and Cox is washed up and beyond his prime,I’ve got something for you to think about. Pre-Schuerholtz & Cox, the Braves stunk. Heck, stunk is a nice word. They were putrid. Remember Rafael Ramirez (“What do Raffie & Michael Jackson have in common?… They both wear one glove for no apparent reason”)? I read the other day that Chuck Tanner was trying to take credit for “laying the groundwork” for the Brave’s success, and that he “gladly” stepped aside for Cox to manage. Horsefeathers! He was as much the problem as the crappy players we had. And yes, Cox was the GM at the time, so he has to take some of that blame. But, Cox also put great emphasis on the farm system, which has brought us Glavine, Chipper, Andruw, etc. Scheurholtz was just what we needed, and what Cox wasn’t… a “wheeler dealer” who could not only attract free agents, but good free agents. No more Brooks Jacoby for Len Barker trades, either. If his success was due to luck, well, I’d rather be lucky than good.

We’ve had great success over the last 14 years. We’re not having great success this year. That may, or may not, change. While all this talk, analysis, arguing over who is tradeable, who is available to get, who isn’t worth keeping, etc., is fun to discuss, and should continue. At the same time, for goodness sakes, you posters don’t take yourselves, and your supposed knowledge of the game so seriously. The game is supposed to be enjoyed, after all.

Scalp ‘em Braves!!

By Chop Chop

July 14, 2006 04:58 PM | Link to this

Lew, I’m a more liberal-minded soul, but I’m not going to give Night Ranger a chance. I would rather miss out on the musical stylings of Jack Blades, Jeff Watson, Brad Gillis, Kelly Keagy and Michael Lardie and hate myself for it than give in to the overwhelming urge I am now feeling to hear pure rocktastical Night Ranger action. Music is something that’s easy to disagree upon, so I’ll agree to disagree. Even so, here’s a link to Night Ranger’s website:

Night Ranger

If you don’t believe in the power of rock and roll, Night Ranger will convert you, my friend.

Or not.

By The Grinch

July 14, 2006 05:00 PM | Link to this

Journalist Jimmy, I’m not sure if Chipper will be attending the funeral; however, there was a rumor he was spotted (!) at the zoo last week. My god…could he have soaked his toes in Aaron’s drinking water? I bet we find out that J.S.’s big move was going to be trading Chipper and his salary to the, uh, zoo for Aaron and a 3-year/48 bushel barn full of acacia leaves. Aaron DID have more straight line speed and certainly more range at 3rd…and he was only 9 yrs. old! Think of the size of his strike zone! Conspiracy theories abound…

Chop Chop, Metallica’s first 4 alblums occupy a special slot on my carousel; I don’t much care for the rest (the Black alblum was the beginning of the end for me, even though some of it was pretty good).

Brian, good call on the uber-cheese. How any band with uncle Ted on guitar could suck is beyond me, but they did. Firehouse, the less said, the better. But Drivin’ n’ Cryin’? I respect your right to listen to them, of course(I’m no hypocrite), but their singer’s nasally whining makes me hope they cried and drove off a bridge. Same with Counting Crows for the same reason. To each his or her own, though. :-)

By Carolina Lady

July 14, 2006 05:13 PM | Link to this

Jimmy, the music Ethereus has on that site is for download. (He is an independent). I downloaded almost everything he made available, burned it onto CD. Listening from the CD, the FULL range and depth of the music blossoms into the most glorious sound. Put on a headset and watch the sun diamonds sparkling on the rich blue textures of the water passing by - and all is truly well in the world! A very talented composer, this guy! Not for everyone, but it is truly worth a listen. (Realize that a tinny computer speaker will render it badly - plug in a headset, it’s much better.)

By journalist jimmy smith

July 14, 2006 05:18 PM | Link to this

spotted at the zoo? good one, grinch. chipper’s toes in aaron’s water? not sure it’s more than one big toe - ) rumors persist despite dob denouncement). aaron would most certainly have more range than chipper and the strike zone would be impressive. still, bad toes slow one on the basepaths. probably would be thrown out a lot. his sudden death is mysterious to all. perhaps atlanta’s homicide squad should become involved- (nice hats). being in san diego provides a very good alibi unless there is an accomplice. jimmy smith has a theory but it is not yet fully developed. while no one wants to think badly of him it must be pointed out that earlier in the season chipper was called a rally killer.

By The Grinch

July 14, 2006 05:23 PM | Link to this

Carlina Lady, that was good stuff. Yes, Rock has a very broad definition. Etherius started off sounding a bit like Enya, then Vangelis, then took off on its own with an engaging blend of styles. Quite relaxing, though I think a bit TOO relaxing for driving, at least in my case. I’d probably wrap myself around a tree, though I’d be smiling in the process. Journalist Jimmy, your allusion to “Horns in the Back” in regards to this piece reminds me of a joke I used to tell my late grandparents: What’s the difference between a Canadian Moose and the Lawrence Welk show? On the Moose, the horns are in front and the A**’s in the back! They were not amused, needless to say. I apologize for being crude, Carolina lady; I am but a simple man. Welcome to the blog, Old Faht! Experience and knowledge is something we can always use more of around here.

By Lew

July 14, 2006 05:25 PM | Link to this

That’s OK ChopChop, but Michael Lardie is with Great White. Jack Blades does write with them and Vince Neil of Motley Crue upon occaision, though.

By David O'Brien

July 14, 2006 05:42 PM | Link to this

Grinch, P-town was right on about Uncle Tupelo. Outstanding band, which splintered and became Wilco and Son Volt, also both outstanding bands.

P-town, love the recs. Got most and couple others I’d like to get that you mentioned, just haven’t gotten around to.

There’s another blog posted now, by the way.

Go Night Ranger. And Speed Racer.

By robdawg06

July 16, 2006 11:51 AM | Link to this

Even Smoltz is asking Schuerholz to make a trade to shore up the bullpen (need a reliever and a closer). Its bad to win a game for 7 innings then see the bullpen lose the games over and over. I would have been tired of it in April and said so. Its time for JS to earn that paycheck in 2006.

By Santosh

July 18, 2006 09:46 AM | Link to this

I don’t see why there isnt a win the NL east choice. Honestly now, you must think I am crazy. But this is the Mets we are talking about here. Who says that cant have a subpar month too. If they hit a low anywhere near what we hit in June, then I think we can win this thing. We have a lot of games left. I think It can be done.

By Jack York

July 18, 2006 10:03 AM | Link to this

Enjoy your column and comments would you please explain how you compute the wild card standings, am stumped and would appreciate it you could give me the formula thank you very much