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By nathan

July 7, 2006 03:02 PM | Link to this

very nice touch DOB (adding the satire piece)

that’s MY kind of humor.

I agree with you…..Wickman is probably about the best option out there, without giving up the farm….no pun, wait….every bit of that pun was intended! LOL

I won’t be home until about the time the game is over tonight, so rest easy all you N8 haters out there, I won’t chime in until everything there is to talk about has already been talked about! But I’m sure I’ll be able to add some obvious points to the ongoing discussions!

L8R

By Calvin

July 7, 2006 03:07 PM | Link to this

lol. Good stuff Mr. O’Brien.

By berigan

July 7, 2006 03:07 PM | Link to this

DOB, I still say Sosa was handled terribly last night by Bobby. He knows Sosa is likely to walk a batter, why have him come in 7-2 bases loaded, NOBODY OUT? How was putting Sosa in, in that situation good long term? It wasn’t like it was a playoff game, let a few other relievers fail,(Hopefully someone would get 3 outs and just give up 2 runs) then go to the closer. Can anyone imagine him just blowing away 3 straight batters? Before last night, it looked like Sosa had a chance, at least better than the 50/50 shot we have had before. Now, supposed fans will boo him like he was from another team, and he will have little chance of success. Oh, and not that it really matters, but seeing the homer again on baseball tonight, it wasn’t the BP pitch he threw A-Rod, it was low and away.

By lee

July 7, 2006 03:09 PM | Link to this

i love the onion!

By dfree

July 7, 2006 03:09 PM | Link to this

DOB,

that clip is hilarious, on a serious note, does marcus giles recent hot streak allow the braves to keep him, or simply add to his trade value? in the bullpen, it seems like we got a lot of set up men that could do the job IF we had some one to shut the door in the ninth, wickman is not a great answer but could bridge the door to boyer, mcbride or devine (hopefully one of those young guy can close next year) what is wickman’s contract situation and what would it take to get the salty vet?

By JasonInMaine

July 7, 2006 03:11 PM | Link to this

DOB,

I originally thought the Braves should have taken a chance on Eddie, but changed my mind after seeing his salary. It is too bad we didn’t have a little extra offense to get an arm or two out of the Angels pen (I remember a report about one of them being unhappy). I haven’t looked up their stats, but Shields or Donnelly couldn’t hurt the pen. What about Bobby Howry from the Cubs?

Regards, Jason

By berigan

July 7, 2006 03:11 PM | Link to this

Funny, when I started the post on this thread the title was If not Guardado for Braves, then who? then turned into Can Bob Wickman relight the bullpen? Magic!

By Chris

July 7, 2006 03:12 PM | Link to this

Hey Dave, excellent article and great Onion bit. Maybe you and I can introduce each other to the other’s goreous ex-wives with an excellent sense of humor! Ha! I feel your pain brother.

By geauxbraves2000

July 7, 2006 03:12 PM | Link to this

Personally, right now, I’d take a 22nd round draft pick for Thomson and Sosa. Maybe asking a little much though. :)

Geaux Braves!!

By nathan

July 7, 2006 03:19 PM | Link to this

I agree berigan 100 percent!

Now it’s still no excuse for Sosa to give up 5 runs (yeah, I know it was 3 - 2 went to Hudson). But it’s damn near the same thing Bobby did to McGlinchy a few years back. He never was the same after that Grand Slam / Single he gave up to Ventura in the playoffs. Where was Nolan Ryan to Btch Slap Ventura when *we needed him? LOL

But for all the good things Bobby does as far as having patience with the young guys, there always seems to be sombody that he throws to the wolves each year. Then again, maybe those individual were never cut out or gonna be cut out to handle pressure situations anyhow.

But not to be the person who second guesses or claims I know it all, like you guys think I’m the King of, but I just had a gut feeling when Sosa came in with the bases loaded that good things weren’t going to happen. Hell, even if he only gives up 3 or 4 runs in the 9th, it’s still no confidence booster for him. Bobby has alway put people in position to succeed, last night Sosa was destined to fail in that game.

While I complained til the wee hours of the night about last nights “victory”, at least we found out Sosa cannot be trusted in the closer’s roll. So better to find out in July than October, if by some act of congress the Braves actually see post season play, I still doubt they will. Not to mention the fact that if Sosa would’ve half way looked respectable this season as the closer, they might have trusted him enough to not find another one before next season, which would start this nightmare all over again next April.

I believe that with the guys injured right now (Boyer, Devine, hell even Reitsma might be OK if healthy in a limited roll), that the bullpen will be improved next year. It can’t get any worse can it.

But unless the trade A LOT of talent from the minors away, this bullpen will have nothing more than a imitation bandaid put on it this season. Say for example: Bob Wickman.

Think future, JS, not runs of postseason “appearances”.

Go Braves in 2007! See, I can start a day off thinking fairly positive. :)

By Voice Of Reason

July 7, 2006 03:19 PM | Link to this

The way I see it, the Braves are more fortunate than most teams looking for relievers. They can actually improve their bullpen with the less than stellar crop of relievers available. But then again, they could trot out Bobby Dews to close, and it wouldn’t be much worse than what they’re gettin’ now.

Seriously, JS had better get creative again this year. I choked on my meatloaf last night when that ball skipped over the yellow line in left center. It’s getting to the point where I’m afraid to even attempt to eat during the late innings of these games. Then I end up gorging myself after the game’s over… really makes for a tough night’s sleep. Come on, JS, do something soon before my health is completely shot!

By berigan

July 7, 2006 03:19 PM | Link to this

JasonInMaine, I like the idea of someone from the Angels bullpen as well, but they are still in the hunt. Plus, to get what they need(offense) they will have plenty of desperate teams like the Yankees, Red Sox, etc. willing to trade super prospects to get a good arm. We can’t really afford to trade our prospects.

By Mitch

July 7, 2006 03:21 PM | Link to this

“With all due respect, if Sosa is the answer, then I can no longer recall the horrifying question.” I’ve written for a daily newspaper, freelanced for a magazine and reported on a NBC affiliate in south Georgia and I’ve never come up with anything this good, DOB. I laughed out loud. But it’s the kind of laughter that comes to keep you from crying.

By DonCoburleone

July 7, 2006 03:25 PM | Link to this

Bob Wickman?!? This is what the season has come down to, BOB WICKMAN?!? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

By JasonInMaine

July 7, 2006 03:28 PM | Link to this

berigan,

I would normally agree, except when it comes to having someone reliable to trot out there in the 9th. A prospect is just that..a prospect. But, we don’t know if Shields or whoever would be a reliable closer, so I can see your point. But, if the Braves could get a proven commodity for a couple of prospects, I would do it. We have plenty of catching prospects as well as middle infielders. It is too bad Smoltz’s arm couldn’t hold up in the closers role because there is no one I rather have and no role where he is more valuable to the Braves. I think that has been proven over the last two years. The ultimate scenario would be to have Smoltz’s arm regain its youth and trade for Dontrelle for as many prospects as it would take.

Regards, Jason

By journalist jimmy smith

July 7, 2006 03:28 PM | Link to this

journalist jimmy smith does not approve of a bob wickman acquisition. instead, let’s give bob the journalist a shot at closer. someone should check sosa’s toes. his shoes appeared too tight in that ninth inning.

By DonCoburleone

July 7, 2006 03:33 PM | Link to this

Nathan (hell even Reitsma might be OK if healthy in a limited roll), STOP, DO YOU REALIZE WHAT YOU’RE SAYING?!? This bullpen has turned us all MAD!

By TennesseePaul

July 7, 2006 03:35 PM | Link to this

Nice DOB. I like the way you put is so bluntly with Eddie. Any rumors of scouts at Cubs games?
How’s that new Cash CD working out for ya? Have you heard the band fielding? I brought them up the other day. Also the 88 and the Coldwar Kids. But those last two might be a little harder to find.

I tried to post this at the start and I got all sorts of errors. Now the names changed stuff is bolded. I have no idea where I am now… The names change, but the faces seem the same…

By DonCoburleone

July 7, 2006 03:38 PM | Link to this

Trust me everyone on this board… There is NO WAY we are getting Scot Shields from the Angels short of trading them Andruw Jones. Teams have been after that guy since before he came up… He has been the best middle reliever in the game for 5+ years now… He’s the perfect reliever, great stuff with high velocity, great strikeout/walk ratio, very low WHIP, and he’s got a rubber-arm. He once threw a 14 inning (263 pitch) complete game in college… The guy is great.

By Chop Chop

July 7, 2006 03:42 PM | Link to this

DOB, funny stuff. I’ve read The Onion off and on now for about six years.

Here’s an Onion-style site that’s devoted exclusively to sports:

The Brushback

There’s usually plenty of clever stuff there.

By berigan

July 7, 2006 03:44 PM | Link to this

Wickman had a 3.09 ERA on 6/28, before that disastrous game in Cincy.

By BOB C

July 7, 2006 03:47 PM | Link to this

Yeah let’s go for Wickman - it’s the Braves way - Pena, Reardon, Berenger. What washed up reliever can we overpay for? The Pirates were like that in the 60’s adding stellar (in the 50’s) performers like Mudcat Grant, Juan Pizarro (long after his great Braves days) and George Brunet and overpaying. We made the right move last year and got 10 for 10 saves and then let him get away. We are not going to catch lightning in a bottle two years in a row. The answer right now is probably Tyler Yates. And berigan is right - a little better management of the ‘pen would be welcome.

By Rob

July 7, 2006 03:47 PM | Link to this

Braves lead the league with 18 blown saves. Billy Wagner was $10 million per year. Like I blogged earlier; assuming he blew 4 of those 18, that’s a 14 game swing which equals out to 1st place. I mean, I am the biggest JS supporter in the world, but stop messing around with Fat Wickman, head-case Farnsworth, has-been Hoffman, never-was Todd Jones and spend the money on a fu*&)ng hammer in the pen. It’s costed the Braves big time this year.

By Mets Stink

July 7, 2006 03:47 PM | Link to this

Jason is right, we need a PROVEN closer. Getting a good setup man doesn’t do any good if he can’t close. Wickman would be better than what we’ve got now. I could go out there and hold a 5 run lead.

By DonCoburleone

July 7, 2006 03:48 PM | Link to this

I had said this in an earlier blog, but doesn’t Bob Wickman seem eerily similar to Dan Kolb?

By Lew

July 7, 2006 03:49 PM | Link to this

Nathan-Never say it can’t get worse and never ask what can happen next. Fate has a very morbid sense of humor and revels in these statements. Besides, the Godfather, DonCoburleone is already on the verge of a nervous breakdown. Please don’t push him over the edge.

By Dr. Jay

July 7, 2006 03:49 PM | Link to this

What a predicament! I gotta agree with the “Is This What It’s Come To?” crowd. Bob Wickman? WTF?? He looks like the second coming of Dan Kolb.

By Brent

July 7, 2006 03:50 PM | Link to this

Prediction: Francoeur homers off Guardado this week-end, making everyone in Braves land happy that we didn’t trade for his overpaid butt.

By brian r

July 7, 2006 03:50 PM | Link to this

i’ve been saying for months, Joe Borowski!!!!

By Dr. Jay

July 7, 2006 03:51 PM | Link to this

It’s unanimous…Wickman and Kolb are the same person…

By Lew

July 7, 2006 03:52 PM | Link to this

Joe (We already had him once and let him go) Borowski? Can I have another maniacaal scream, Godfather?

By DrBert

July 7, 2006 03:56 PM | Link to this

Let’s not forget that 18 blown saves did not translate into 18 losses…in some of those blown saves the Braves came back and won the game later (hence Oscar V’s 7 wins)…18 blown saves does not equal 18 losses in this case…but heck, we’d all rather they just won the game without any late or extra inning heroics due to the blown save…and Jimmy Smith, any reports on Wickman’s toes?

By berigan

July 7, 2006 04:04 PM | Link to this

I don’t think Wickman is Kolb. First off, he pitches in the A.L., and had a decent ERA till he gave up a grand slam to Adam Dunn, the FIRST homer he gave up this year. He has 13 saves, 4 blown saves. (last year, 45 saves 4 blown saves) he is 37, so not a long term answer. And the Indians will want a young arm in return for giving up their closer, so I think that leaves us out again.

By nathan

July 7, 2006 04:13 PM | Link to this

Sorry Don and Lew……

Yeah, I thought I’d catch “flack” for that Reitsma comment! LOL

I seriously doubt he’ll ever pitch for the Braves again, but the guy (allegedly) can’t feel his fingers. Now I’m not sticking up for the guy, either he’s lying now or he lied for 2 months, that’s enough to ship him out in my book, but, I have hit my funny bone before which causes you to not “feel” your fingers. I can’t imagine throwing a baseball with that feeling constantly running through your arm. LOL

I think I’m on to somthing. Last night I came up with a nickname for JS (Jack Sh*t) to those of you not paying attention/ignoring me last night.

Today it’s Reitsma’s turn, here are the 2 options:

Chris “Funny Bone” Reitsma or

Chris “the Tingle” Reitsma

I love either one! Long live sarcasm!

Sorry Don about pushing you over the edge!

BTW Meatloaf sounds good!

By Chop Chop

July 7, 2006 04:14 PM | Link to this

God, Wickman isn’t Kolb. Kolb has had two good seasons in the bullpen in the majors. Wickman has had many productive years in the bigs. If you don’t believe me, go check out his career stats:

Wickman’s career stats

Kolb’s ERA with the Brewers this year is actually worse than it was for the Braves last year. While Wickman certainly isn’t a great closer by any stretch, he’s an average one. Right now, I’d take that in a heartbeat…as long as the Braves don’t have to pay an exceedingly high price.

My guess is that Brayan Pena is a possibility to be moved to Cleveland for Wickman. They’re looking for a young catcher who might be able to throw out baserunners (yeah, I know that’s not Pena’s strong suit, but he’d be a lot better than Martinez) because Victor Martinez can’t throw anyone out and Kelly Shoppach hasn’t taken hold of the reins there yet. Besides, if Brayan Pena turns out to be a great catcher, Schuerholz can always say the Braves had a 22-year-old Brian McCann there and that the team didn’t have room for Pena. A very logical way to look at it, don’t you think?

By geauxbraves2000

July 7, 2006 04:16 PM | Link to this

I don’t follow the AL very much, especially the west coast, but does anyone think the Angels would be willing to give up Francisco Rodriguez if the right deal came along?

By ernesto

July 7, 2006 04:18 PM | Link to this

I’d take Wickman over Borowski, but honestly, I can’t say I’d feel great about either.

By berigan

July 7, 2006 04:22 PM | Link to this

JasonInMaine , I did say we can’t really afford to trade our prospects, what I should have said was any pitching prospects. If trading Salty(As many have mentioned, it ain’t like we don’t have a long term answer behind the plate) will get us a good arm/closer, have at it!

If I recall correctly, there are 19 teams within 5 games of their division leaders, so more people are buying, than selling. It may be that only prospects will be traded , no one is going to want to make their team weaker now. At least till a few teams drop off.

By Alan

July 7, 2006 04:25 PM | Link to this

Another great post, David. Insightful and funny. Not funny, of course, is the Braves’ closer “situation.” I’m all for getting a proven closer like Wickman or even Dempster (from the Cubs), so long as he comes cheaply (mid-level prospect). Neither of these guys would be a long-term answer nor should he be. What he’d do, though, is give a jolt of confidence to the rest of the Braves, especially the pitching staff. The Braves are very much in the race for the wild card. Making a move now would send a message to all of the teams the Braves are chasing. Go for it!

By berigan

July 7, 2006 04:28 PM | Link to this

Nathan, JS=Jack S**t. It fits the bill! Though I think it is plain as the nose on your face that the real JS was kidnapped by aliens several years ago, and replaced by a crazy alien who has said things like he couldn’t get anything better for a 20 game winner than a minor league catcher.

By Lew

July 7, 2006 04:39 PM | Link to this

Actually Berigan, you can blame Greg Maddux for the Millwood thing. Maddux at the last moment, decided to accept arbitration and the Braves had about fifteen minutes to get SOMETHING for Millwood. It actually worked out better than it could have. Johnny was solid until Erstad cross body blocked him to hell and back.

By nathan

July 7, 2006 04:41 PM | Link to this

you mocking my plain nose? J/K LOL

Yeah, I always thought that the Millwood deal seemed a little odd. But, everybody knew the Braves were desperate to move payroll once Maddux accepted arbitration. Probably not much else he could’ve done, and it’s not like Estrada was that bad until he was sitting on the tracks when the Erstad express came rolling through!

That play always bothered me, because I’m a pretty big Darin Erstad fan. He’s from my home state of ND. Not too many pro athletes come out of this state, so he’s a local hero. But that was a cheap shot in my opinion. Maris was from the Fargo area, but the little “shrine” they had to him, is worthless now that the JUICE has helped people rewrite the record books.

About the only other MLB players to come from around here are Rick Helling (washed up) and Travis Hafner, he’s a good one. Though he just got totally snubbed for the all star game. Oh Well.

gotta go, I’ve got a wedding to go to….YIPPY.

I’ll type at you all later, enjoy the game.

By Rutuger

July 7, 2006 04:43 PM | Link to this

Wickman has converted a respectable 13-of-16 saves this season with an unexceptional 4.50 ERA, and he’s allowed just one homer in in 26 innings

So you’re saying he’s better than anyone our bullpen has had in two years, and has given up 20 less homers than our current “closer” (whose name we dare not speak) in a comporable number of innings?

I could take Sosa yard any day of the week, and I haven’t even faced an actual pitcher since HS. Dude is garbage and wouldn’t be on the AA squad anywhere else.

By Rutuger

July 7, 2006 04:50 PM | Link to this

And at this point a 4.50 ERA in our bullpen would make Braves fans soil their undergarments with excitement, which is actually so sad I think I’ll go rip out my own spine now.

By Blake

July 7, 2006 05:00 PM | Link to this

WE should get Wickman, but make sure the Indians pay his remaining meal allowance.

By Dr. Jay

July 7, 2006 05:01 PM | Link to this

This is like going to a junior high school dance and there are 100 hormonal boys fighting over 15 flat-chested girls. Bob Wickman in high demand. Whodathunkit. We’re one of the have-nots this year folks and that just the way it is. Don’t panic, JS, and mortgage our future with forced trades for one-year rentals. Releasing Sosa will at least remove our last remaining deadwood…let’s start there and just go with the patchwork we have.

By Larry

July 7, 2006 05:02 PM | Link to this

Show some patience folks, it takes time for a starter to transition to relief and closer is a bit different all together.

Sosa has not solved his basic problem, his mechanics are all over the place which lead to spotty location. He is also still trying to “pitch” the 9th inning. With a 96mph fastball, he will knock to bat out of half the guys hands whom he has to face if he just goes out there and fire it as hard as he can (and still throw strikes). Control is not just a matter of throwing strikes but where the strikes are counts greatly - his are too unpredictable.

Ken Ray still seems to be the most reliable reliever but he is a ground ball pitcher and does not fit Cox’s desires for a closer - he wants power. The problem with power pitchers is they sometimes give up the long ball.

I think putting Sosa as the closer was the best choice, they just need to work on the psychology of closing with him and he will get it (or he won’t).

By DonCoburleone

July 7, 2006 05:04 PM | Link to this

It’s the Indians though, you know they are going to want YOUTH… I reeeeeaaaally don’t like the idea of giving up a prospect so that maybe a tiny band-aid can stop the profuse bleeding of the bullpen…

By DonCoburleone

July 7, 2006 05:08 PM | Link to this

Sorry for the late reply Lew, I was at lunch. Joe Borowski??? Joe Borowski??? May God help us all…

By Max

July 7, 2006 05:09 PM | Link to this

I’ll take wickman as a closer any time he simple doesn’t give up golfer ball like SOSA!!!

By Blake

July 7, 2006 05:10 PM | Link to this

Give them the talented Mike Hessman

By Kentavo

July 7, 2006 05:10 PM | Link to this

The Braves should make it a reality show - “Finding A Closer” and give in-game auditions.

By Bob McDearmid

July 7, 2006 05:10 PM | Link to this

At least Wickman can provide what it needs to keep the candle burning on a season where there seems to be no light at the end of the bullpen tunnel. (pun pun pun)

Maybe we can trade the Indians the announcing tandem of Bob and Jeff. Thank God for the radio I can turn up, and the TV I can turn down. (no pun)

By Max

July 7, 2006 05:14 PM | Link to this

Larry what the heck are you talking about???!!!LIghtenberg,stanton ,Pena,Bererngue,Kolb none were power pitchers Cox wants someone reliable.

By Kevin C

July 7, 2006 05:16 PM | Link to this

Trade for Wickman, move Thomson into a 7/8th inning guy and give Barry a shot until Davies comes back. Also look for a Cub’s exdous soon when Baker is fired, do we take a shot with maddux? Or do we low ball the Cubs and try and make Wood a closer??

By Chop Chop

July 7, 2006 05:17 PM | Link to this

Larry, if the Braves have to teach Sosa the psychology of closing, they should release him today. The guy’s 29 years old. He’s played baseball his whole life. If he doesn’t understand what he’s supposed to do out there on the mound in pressure situations (and yeah, he’s a converted position player, but he’s been a pitcher in the bigs for five years now), the Braves can’t expect him to just magically start to “get it”. Sosa showed how much he cared about this team and this season when he showed up to camp with a beer gut after last year’s miracle run and the Braves have been paying for that inattention to detail all season long. It’s time to cut the guy loose.

By Blake

July 7, 2006 05:17 PM | Link to this

neither

By Head Coach

July 7, 2006 05:20 PM | Link to this

Ken Ray has an ERA of 2.72 with 12 earned runs in 39.2 innings and Cox goes with Jorge “homerun” Sosa , sometimes Bobby does thing that baffle common sense. Bob Wickman , boy are we desperate or what ? I think I’ll go jump off my couch in the hope that I can fly like a pig. Thanks for the onion , David. That was too funny. NOW I HAVE TO VENT : Chris Reitsma is the sorriest SOB to ever pitch in a Braves uniform. This moron pitches the entire first half and cant feel the damn ball because his hand is numb ? Is his brain numb too ? What ten kinds of an idiot would jeopardize his career and waste the entire first half of the season , all the while letting his teammates , the fans and the entire organization down. Why ? Somebody please explain this fool’s totally selfish actions ? He knew he was hurt , ineffective and said nothing until june , just unbelievable……….. I am so P>I>S>S>ED OFF.

By DonCoburleone

July 7, 2006 05:21 PM | Link to this

GeauxBraves2000 there is absolutely no way the Angels give up F-Rod, the only way we could get him is for Andruw Jones. And if we are trading AJ, I’d much rather have Ervin Santana or Jared Weaver than Franky Rodriguez. And how come no-one hears my screams??? Hudson to the Dodgers for BROXTON, look him up, hes awesome! Hudson needs to go, by the time AJ is ready to resign for 2008 there will be no money to do it with cuz it will all be tied up in Smoltz, Chipper, Hudson, and Hampton (plus Giles if we keep him)

By Blake

July 7, 2006 05:21 PM | Link to this

Do you really believe Reeksma was hurt the whole year? Doubt it.

By AZBravoFan

July 7, 2006 05:22 PM | Link to this

I still think I’d feel better about just trotting our young guys out there and see which one sticks. Maybe they can catch lightening in a bottle again like they did in the past with McMichael or Ligtenburg. I just don’t have a lot of faith in the likes of Wickman.

By Max

July 7, 2006 05:22 PM | Link to this

I don’t think Hessman is with us anymore Blake

By Blake

July 7, 2006 05:23 PM | Link to this

Don,,

I think his nickname is K-Rod

By Rob

July 7, 2006 05:24 PM | Link to this

well the minor fact of Kerry Wood being out for the season might be a little tiny problem with that solution Kevin.

By Blake

July 7, 2006 05:24 PM | Link to this

Max,

I am pretty sure you are right. At least I hope not

By Max

July 7, 2006 05:29 PM | Link to this

I agree with you headcoach.Don it would be foolish to give up on T-Hud right now.I happen to think we could win with him.He is dominate at times and most of the time gives the bullpen rest.I like him

By DonCoburleone

July 7, 2006 05:31 PM | Link to this

Kevin C Or do we low ball the Cubs and try and make Wood a closer? Dear God no, have we now gone so low as to dare mention Kerry Wood and “trade” in the same sentence?… If I had seen that same sentence before the season started, I would have not even bothered to watch the Braves at all this year…

By Max

July 7, 2006 05:32 PM | Link to this

Rob Kerry wood is making $13million we don’t want him

By DonCoburleone

July 7, 2006 05:33 PM | Link to this

I know Blake, but F-Rod is much funner… hehe

By Max

July 7, 2006 05:39 PM | Link to this

reistma could have been hurt the whole year?.Players have egos and they are perhaps thinking about there next contracts.Remember the more money you make the more bills you have

By DonCoburleone

July 7, 2006 05:43 PM | Link to this

Okay, I am going to say this now so nobody can act surprised when it happens… Cox kept marching Reeksma out there to close games for one reason - He was the highest paid bullpen pitcher BY FAR and was getting pressure from above to use him. Now that he’s gone, guess who the highest paid bullpen pitcher is - you guessed it, SOSA. I guarantee Sosa stays in the closer role until we trade for someone else or Sosa blows consecutive games. Besides, Sosa is 3 for 5 in saves right? 60% Save percentage is better than we’ve been getting all year. SOSA RULES!!!

By Jon

July 7, 2006 05:45 PM | Link to this

To the guy who said it wasn’t fair to bring in Sosa in the ninth inning with the bases loaded and expect him to save a five run lead. Get real! THAT IS THE JOB DESCRIPTION OF A CLOSER. That is what Farnsworth did; and Smoltz, and Wohlers, and Bedrosian, etc., etc.

By TDub

July 7, 2006 05:48 PM | Link to this

ChopChop, that deal makes sense - but Wickman is making $5 million this year, not much less than Guardado. How about this - trading Thomson to Texas for Francisco Cordero? They need starters, we need a closer (and he’s stuck behind Otsuka now), and both of them would probably benefit from a change of scenery. He’s making a little less than Wickman too - $4.1 million.

By Max

July 7, 2006 05:48 PM | Link to this

Don how do you how this?If that is the case which i hope your not Cox is not as smart as i thought.I believe you have to go with the HOT HAND

By Max

July 7, 2006 05:49 PM | Link to this

how do you know this don?

By Max

July 7, 2006 05:51 PM | Link to this

Tdub i’ll take that!

By Chop Chop

July 7, 2006 06:00 PM | Link to this

TDub, I’m with you on the Coco Cordero idea. The Rangers have a club option on Cordero next year for $6 million, $5 million if he isn’t their closer. I doubt the Braves would pay him that amount for next year, but he seems like a better, younger option than Wickman.

By triharder

July 7, 2006 06:00 PM | Link to this

What is all of this talk about “mishandling” the bullpen? When the starters tank is empty, you bring in the bullpen to finish the game. “Bringing them into a position to fail”??? What the h3ll was Cox supposed to do? Ask for a do over and put the last batter back in the box and send out one of our fragile relievers with their blanky for comfort (some how calling our bullpen “relievers” just doesnt sound right). Did he leave Huddy out there too long? YES. But that is because he knows he didnt have anything better in the bullpen. Come on people - we need the bullpen to come in and get outs - PERIOD! This isnt about making people feel better about themselves. They’re not 1st graders, they’re millionaires for Pete’s sake!

By DonCoburleone

July 7, 2006 06:01 PM | Link to this

DOB answering your question at the end there… No, I would not be upset or question the move at all if the Braves designated Sosa for assignment… By the way DOB why the heck do they call it that? Where did the term “designated for assignment” come from?

By bushwacker

July 7, 2006 06:03 PM | Link to this

What’s for dinner Dave

By DonCoburleone

July 7, 2006 06:06 PM | Link to this

Max I know this because me and Cox are like this (I’m crossing my fingers right now)…

By DonCoburleone

July 7, 2006 06:07 PM | Link to this

Just kidding Max, I really don’t know that for sure, I’m just making a prediction based on past trends…

By Max

July 7, 2006 06:08 PM | Link to this

your pulling my leg right “DON”?

By MBATL

July 7, 2006 06:08 PM | Link to this

DonCoburleone, or Oliver Stone? We have a conspiracy theorist amongst us!

I’d bet that Sosa will be right back out there in the 9th tonight if a save is needed. Bobby doesn’t change his mind nearly as quickly as us bloggers do!

As to trades, man, it’s depressing. There is no one out there that is better than mediocre. I hope we can do something with this season, but the bigger picture is that we better clear some payroll to pay a real bullpen.

By Max

July 7, 2006 06:10 PM | Link to this

BRing up BRad Baker let’s see what he has!!!!

By David O'Brien

July 7, 2006 06:10 PM | Link to this

TennPaul, the Cash CD is outstanding. Beautiful in a tattered, honest way. You can hear the man suffering. I hate to say it, it’s like you can literally hear him dying (it was all recorded in the months between June’s death and his). Get it. The Gordon LIghtfoot cover, “If You Could Read My Mine,” if worth the price alone.

I heard the band Fielding on headphones at Tower. Good stuff. Haven’t hear the others you mentioned.

Bryan, if you’re out there, what was that band you recommended? Dobeck or Bodeck or something like that. I was in Tower looking for it the other day and felt like an idiot because I couldn’t remember the name.

By Rob Mayhue

July 7, 2006 06:12 PM | Link to this

SMOLTZ…..get another starter and move Smoltzie back to the bullpen!! Easy enough, huh? We have 18-20 blown saves this year…..half that number still has us 3-6 games out.

By Gorgeous ex-wife w/sense of humor

July 7, 2006 06:12 PM | Link to this

As a blog virgin I would like to thank my equally gorgeous and humorous ex for the props. Figured you could spread the gospels of The Onion. Gotta go cuz it’s “LIMA TIME” in NYC. YEAH!!!!!

By YO MAX!!

July 7, 2006 06:14 PM | Link to this

MAX WE TRADED BAKER TO THE RED SOX!!!

By Max

July 7, 2006 06:16 PM | Link to this

MBATLtheir is quality arms out there we just have to go out and get them!!

By Max

July 7, 2006 06:18 PM | Link to this

NO Baker is still with us in AAA.!

By hk

July 7, 2006 06:19 PM | Link to this

Chop Chop,

.. well, I’ve done it again, and it’s your fault this time .. :))

… not what we were talking about, but an evaluation of players, based on some of my pet stats (HR+R+RBI, Hits/inning, etc), and some more subjective items … funny, sometimes when you try to apply a number to what you think is important, it ends uplooking alot different from what you thought in the beginning … something called ‘dugout chemistry’ ends up being more important than ‘leadership’, for instance … probably more fun doing it than it will be to look at, but

click here for chart

By MBATL

July 7, 2006 06:21 PM | Link to this

hk, I’m a little worried about you… but a good chart!

By TennesseePaul

July 7, 2006 06:24 PM | Link to this

Couple of things:

By DonCoburleone

July 7, 2006 06:25 PM | Link to this

Okay, prediction for tonight(now 3 for 3 on my predictions btw): 5-3 Braves win - Sosa gets the save… AJ goes yard for second straight game…

By Max

July 7, 2006 06:30 PM | Link to this

By the way Don your prediction couln’t be any better yesterday you said 8-1 braves.it would of ended 7-2.

By Hal

July 7, 2006 06:35 PM | Link to this

For the last two winters now we should have been clearing some payroll to make room for a bona fide closer ! But that would take some foresight and leave little time for authoring a book

By The Grinch

July 7, 2006 06:37 PM | Link to this

Good evening, everyone! Glad to see I’m not the only one who reads the “Onion.” Another good site by DJ Gallo (who contributes headlines for the onion and writes a column for ESPN’s Page 2) is www.sportspickle.com. Check it out. Everyone got their rolaids ready for tonight’s game?

By Adam

July 7, 2006 06:38 PM | Link to this

Rumor is that the Phillies are willing to trade away just about anyone at this point - wouldn’t Tom Gordon make more sense than Bob Wickman? DOB - in your opinion, should the Braves pursue Gordon, and if so, will they?

By bryanfred

July 7, 2006 06:39 PM | Link to this

Smoltz back to the bullpen? He’s about the only inning eater we have right now (hats off to Hudson for the 8+ last night, not his fault he got the ND). Unless he’s running middle relief for 2-3 innings per night you’d only see him after the starter was gone and the “setup” men had given up 3 or 4. Setup apparently means placing the ball on a tee.

Also, I just caught on to this string but did I really see someone badmouthing Juan Buerenger? What kind of soulless bstrd bashes such a beautiful man?

By Max

July 7, 2006 06:39 PM | Link to this

Don’t be surprised if Farnsworth becomes our closer again.He hasn’t been able to bring the magic to NY

By DonCoburleone

July 7, 2006 06:40 PM | Link to this

Rob Mayhue it’s a good point but you can’t transition Smoltz mid-season to become a closer… I’d rather have him as a healthy starter than a potentially injured closer. But you’re right, it would definately be easier to find a 4-5 starter than an above average closer…. What about “Chunky” Chad Poronto as closer, he does kinda look like Bobby Jenks.

By The Grinch

July 7, 2006 06:41 PM | Link to this

Hey, Max, I predicted 7-4 Braves (which it was until Sosa gave up his second hit of the ninth). Tonight I say 6-3, for whatever that’s worth. Not much, probably.

By MBATL

July 7, 2006 06:42 PM | Link to this

Adam, Gordon makes a ton of sense to me. Have no idea if he’s available. I’ve seen where Philly is putting hitters on the block, don’t know about pitchers though.

By Max

July 7, 2006 06:44 PM | Link to this

I didn’t bash him all i say was that he wasn’t a strikeout pitcher who did a ok job.

By bryanfred

July 7, 2006 06:44 PM | Link to this

Oh yeah - Onion is posted weekly on Wednesdays at www.theonion.com. Best satire you’ll find anyhwere.

By The Grinch

July 7, 2006 06:45 PM | Link to this

Speaking of Juan Buerenger and chunky, does anyone remember the rare times he had to bat? That was so comical he even laughed at himself after striking out. I miss him.

By krath

July 7, 2006 06:47 PM | Link to this

Back to Sosa…. I don’t think he is the solution to the closer problem, but I don’t blame Bobby for giving it a shot. I wish Sosa were successful because I’m convinced he’s a good kid who sincerely is willing to do whatever it takes to help the team win.

Someone posted earlier about “closing” like all you had to do was come in and do the job. I disagree. It’s not as simple as sending someone out to close and they should do it immediately even without much experience doing so. Some guys seem to be born to it and some others take longer to develop.

Let me repeat, I don’t think Sosa is the closer solution.

Now for my last point. How do expect to bring a guy into a bases loaded jam and expect him to put the fire out when he hasn’t had any success all season putting the fire out in the jams he created himself??

If Sosa ever had a shot at being a closer, he needed to come in to start innings not learn the closer job in a situation under circumstances he’s had trouble all year performing in. Once he gets comfortable in the role, then you use him like a seasoned closer who has confidence and experience. That said, I know this is probably not a practical solution.

I’m aware that the Braves don’t have the luxury of trying to break anyone in slow. If the Braves closer eventually comes from “in house,” it will be brutal OJT. Sometimes you just do what you have to do.

By Max

July 7, 2006 06:48 PM | Link to this

Grinch your good,i would have never guessed and i hope your right tonight.Hey guy we are less then 1 hour away from game time.LET GO BRAVES!!!! LETS GO BRAVES!!!!

By Chop Chop

July 7, 2006 06:51 PM | Link to this

Here’s Tom Gordon’s contract situation:

$4.5 million this year, $7 million in ‘07, $5.5 million in ‘08 and a team option for $4.5 million in ‘09 with a $1 million buyout.

There’s no way in Hell that the Braves are going to take on numbers like that for a guy who turns 39 in November. Besides, the Phils are ahead of the Braves in the standings.

By Max

July 7, 2006 06:53 PM | Link to this

Listen Krath if Sosa would focus he would be great!! 96-97mph fastball.He just has to focus on hitting his spots,like Maddux does throwing 85-86mph.To me i just think he is to stupid to know what focusing is

By bryanfred

July 7, 2006 06:55 PM | Link to this

OK, thanks for the clarification on Senor Smoke.

Anyone remember when Smoltz was considered a fragile headcase who had to see a sports therapist to keep from freaking out? How the world turns.

By Max

July 7, 2006 06:55 PM | Link to this

The Braves will not consider make a run at Gordon he is too risky

By MBATL

July 7, 2006 06:57 PM | Link to this

Chop Chop; sounds to me like a drop in the bucket this year; a pretty big commitment for ‘07, declining in ‘08. I haven’t examined the guy’s arm, so am not saying “do it”. He’s pitching very well, though, and has the “makeup”. Anyway, just thought it was a good name.

However, there’s a strong current in here that we need to find a solid closer without giving up any young talent or paying any real money. At some point, we either make a committment to building a bullpen or keep dealing with closer by committee.

By JMar

July 7, 2006 06:59 PM | Link to this

For what it’s worth, I did e-mail Jason Stark’s Useless Information when JJ Putz and Kevin Mench faced off for the first time, for the first Yiddish insult matchup in major league history.

By Sammy Kershaw

July 7, 2006 07:00 PM | Link to this

DOB You should give the sportspickle a try also.

By Max

July 7, 2006 07:00 PM | Link to this

No i believe that to get quality you have to give up quality.

By krath

July 7, 2006 07:04 PM | Link to this

Max, it could be he has the proverbial 10 cent head, I don’t know. I have a gut feeling about Sosa and that’s all it is. I just think with his stuff the “right” person might get thru to him. Maybe not. I never had that feeling about Reitsma. The Braves can’t afford to use Sosa in any pressure situations until he can be fixed IF he can be fixed at all. The HOMERUNS allowed ARE an issue. Can’t have closers or late relievers with numbers like that!

If the Braves were to find someone who is in love with Sosa, I wouldn’t blame them for moving him. If not, I would try to see if someone could get thru to him. The guy has some nasty stuff if it could ever be harnessed. BUT… it may never be harnessed, so it’s a gamble.

By Max

July 7, 2006 07:08 PM | Link to this

i agree 100% with you Krath he is NASTY .It just hasn’t clicked for him this year.Last year he was on point

By DonCoburleone

July 7, 2006 07:08 PM | Link to this

That sportspickle site is great… David Wright is gay, I KNEW IT!

By Max

July 7, 2006 07:16 PM | Link to this

Milton of the Reds gives up a lot of golpher ball let’s see how many he serves up tonight.15 minutes guys!!!!

By Max

July 7, 2006 07:18 PM | Link to this

I’m going to have to predict.10-5 braves!!!

By Rip

July 7, 2006 07:22 PM | Link to this

The trade dead line will come and go with no major trades….While John signs books, Alanta BURNS!!!!

By Max

July 7, 2006 07:23 PM | Link to this

The phillies are losing with there loss and our win we go up.

By hal neely

July 7, 2006 07:24 PM | Link to this

how much of a chance was Ray given? i’d rather have him/mcbride combo than what we are doing now. of course, i’m for wickman also if we could get him. or, trade larouche and/or giles for a big name. we are loaded with minor league infielders and i wouldn’t mind seeing thorman at first everyday if we can get a big name in a trade. my .02

By Rip

July 7, 2006 07:25 PM | Link to this

ATLANTA-Sorry

By Max

July 7, 2006 07:25 PM | Link to this

Rip are you a Met or a marlins fan?

By Max

July 7, 2006 07:28 PM | Link to this

why all this anamosity towards your home team RIP?

By Max

July 7, 2006 07:32 PM | Link to this

Hal neely ,ray wasn’t given much of a chance,as soon as Bobby decided that Sosa was going to the bullpen he gave Sosa the closers role

By MBATL

July 7, 2006 07:32 PM | Link to this

hk: you’re the numbers man. I’d love to see a breakout of what the braves are spending on infielders, outfielders, starting pitchers, and relief pitchers. Add a category for starter vs. bench if you’re really motivated. That’s your assignment, if you’re willing to accept it. lol:)

By ncscoots

July 7, 2006 07:38 PM | Link to this

I think there was probably a reason the Braves didn’t bust their hump to sign Wickman in the offseason. DOB’s “horrifying question” hardly becomes much less horrifying if Wickman is the answer. Mike Gonzalez of the Pirates is about the only decent closer on the teams that are already out of it, but I have no idea if the Pirates would entertain any offers. He’s one of the few bright spots in their season.

By rcl

July 7, 2006 07:41 PM | Link to this

Wickman is an overweight load who will be a variation on a theme to Kolb.

Please JS no more bandaids to help us limp into the post season.

Now if we picked up Crawford and Willis at the dealine then maybe a closer rental would make sense.

However since neither of those folks will be wearing Braves unis come Aug 1st don’t invite a non-athlete cow like Wickman to this team.

If we cannot get a top flight closer (and we can’t folks) don’t wheel in some load we will be stuck with in 07.

Give Barry a shot or rotate between Barry, Yates and Ray. That plus put a shock collar on Bobby to prevent more 8/9th inning pitching mismanagement.

Trade McBride away he is useless. He walks the ballpark and or loads the bases with 2 outs. He can NEVER EVER finish off a team or inning.

By DonCoburleone

July 7, 2006 07:41 PM | Link to this

uh oh, HoRam already in trouble…

By Head Coach

July 7, 2006 07:42 PM | Link to this

Calling John Rocker , anyone seen John Rocker ? We are desperate.

By Max

July 7, 2006 07:42 PM | Link to this

Wow never heard of Mike Gonzalez

By Jeffrey

July 7, 2006 07:45 PM | Link to this

No Bob Wickman. I saw him last week throw away a 7 run lead (I believe) against the Reds. Adam Dunn hit a game winning grand slam off Wickman. The Cleveland fans on the message board were angry and depressed that Wickman probably just blew any chance the Indians had of pawning him off on the Braves.

By Beachcomber

July 7, 2006 07:45 PM | Link to this

Nice job back there Todd. When does this guy get his bus ticket punched? Or is he still “mentoring.”

By Max

July 7, 2006 07:46 PM | Link to this

Do all you guys feel the same way about Mcbride as rcl?

By Woogidy

July 7, 2006 07:47 PM | Link to this

Hey DOB, I hope the DL doesn’t offer Chipper a long term deal! - and What do you think about Scott Williamson from the Cubs? BAA is only .221 - 10.17 k/9 - 1 HR allowed in 25.2 IP and he is only making $2 mil.

By ncscoots

July 7, 2006 07:49 PM | Link to this

Gonzalez averages about a strikeout an inning, has walked about 20 in 30-odd innings (I think, haven’t checked his numbers lately), ERA about two-and-a-half, think he’s blown two or three saves this year…

By DonCoburleone

July 7, 2006 07:51 PM | Link to this

Only 1 run… not bad… he’ll settle down.

By Max

July 7, 2006 07:51 PM | Link to this

Scott williamson sounds like a good player to get.All ways liked him

By geauxbraves2000

July 7, 2006 07:52 PM | Link to this

I believe it was McBride, who against the Red Sox, got Manny & Ortiz out, and hasn’t been the same since. Please correct me if I’m wrong. I’m not really sold on him either, but maybe the right role hasn’t been found for him yet.

By ncscoots

July 7, 2006 07:52 PM | Link to this

Woogidy has the right idea on Williamson, I believe…I think he could be a great addition, and Cubs are sure going nowhere.

By Max

July 7, 2006 07:54 PM | Link to this

i agree on getting Scott

By geauxbraves2000

July 7, 2006 07:55 PM | Link to this

1st inning, Ramirez, 25 pitches, Milton 6. Patience indeed, could be a virtue, but not sure if most Braves hitters will ever understand that.

Oh well, 8 innings to go, so:

Geaux Braves!!

By DonCoburleone

July 7, 2006 07:56 PM | Link to this

Yeah Gonzalez looks good, but the Pirates will definately want youth in return

By TennesseePaul

July 7, 2006 07:56 PM | Link to this

Milton blows. And Giles and Renteria swing at the first pitch. Bums me out. I hope last night didn’t freak out the hitters sending them back to the June slump they were all in.
GO BRAVES

By geauxbraves2000

July 7, 2006 07:57 PM | Link to this

Correction, Ramirez threw 28 pitches.

By MBATL

July 7, 2006 07:57 PM | Link to this

McBride’s been very good against lhp, not so hot against rhp. He’s 24 years old and a good prospect. He does walk too many, but he’s only pitched about 40 innings in his whole career. Least of our problems.

Williamson’s an okay mid-reliever, imho. Wouldn’t mind having on my team, but wouldn’t give up too much to get him. He’d be a good addition given this bullpen, but is not the answer at closer.

By ipfreely

July 7, 2006 07:59 PM | Link to this

Scott Sullivan or Joe Borowski would be better choice than Wickman.Braves need to pursue either Sullivan or Borowski hard before the deadline or maybe a package deal of Salty and prospects for Dontrelle and Borowski

By DonCoburleone

July 7, 2006 08:00 PM | Link to this

…maybe he won’t settle down after all…

By geauxbraves2000

July 7, 2006 08:01 PM | Link to this

Ain’t HoRams night, with the Braves pitchers you can tell right away, time to get the pen up before it’s too late. 3 runs already, no outs in the 2nd. It’s almost too late already.

By ncscoots

July 7, 2006 08:05 PM | Link to this

MBATL, don’t think anyone here is touting Willimason as a closer (I’m not anyway), but I can see the guy as an upgrade to the bullpen as currently constituted. I’m still of the opinion that Braves need more help in the bullpen than just a closer.

By geauxbraves2000

July 7, 2006 08:05 PM | Link to this

I guess about 7 runs have to score before BC pulls him. Oh well, to win 3 out of 4 you have to lose one.

By Max

July 7, 2006 08:06 PM | Link to this

JS needs to add LIFE to this team bring in DONTRELLE!!!!CHOO CHOOO!!!

By Calvin

July 7, 2006 08:07 PM | Link to this

Bobby finally came and got Horacio…

By Max

July 7, 2006 08:07 PM | Link to this

Horacio stinks!!!

By Max

July 7, 2006 08:10 PM | Link to this

UNBELIEVABLE!!!

By MBATL

July 7, 2006 08:10 PM | Link to this

nscoots, didn’t mean to put words in your mouth. Again, Williamson would be okay, but I just think we’re putting bandaids on a broken leg here.

The answer is to trade AJ… for some good young pitching, which we trade to Tampa for Crawford, and spend the $10 mil left over on a real bullpen.

By Max

July 7, 2006 08:12 PM | Link to this

Mbatl you might be right but i don’t want to think about Andruw in a other uniform

By Jeffrey

July 7, 2006 08:13 PM | Link to this

A few other names to joim Mark Prior on the all-DL team this year and their salary (in millions):

Pitchers

Mark Prior - Cubs - 3.65 Kerry Wood - Cubs - 12 Randy Wolf - Phillies - 9.1 Carl Pavano - Yankees - 8 Mike Hampton - Braves - 14.5 Bartolo Colon - Angels - 14 Eric Gagne - Dodgers - 10 Paul Wilson - Reds - 3.7 Adam Eaton - Rangers - 4.65

Players

Ryan Klesko - Padres - 9 Gary Sheffield - Yankees - 10.7 Hideki Matsui - Yankees - 13

By Calvin

July 7, 2006 08:14 PM | Link to this

In other news, Jose Lima is back up with the Mets and is getting lit up again to the tune of 7-0 and gave up a grand slam to Dontrelle Willis. lol.

By Max

July 7, 2006 08:15 PM | Link to this

these a**holes are siting on fastballs!!!

By JJMB

July 7, 2006 08:16 PM | Link to this

Mr. DOB, do you know when the ownership transfer might occur?

Thank you, JJMB

By Lew

July 7, 2006 08:17 PM | Link to this

OK. I think we are now seeing that Bob Wickman, Joe Borowski Guardado or even Mariano Rivera is going to trun this season around. The time has come to get what we can and try to rebuild for next year. For all of you who have thought our recent 8-5 streak was indication that everything had changed and all we needed was a tune up, well here is proof-you were wrong. We are not going to contend for the wid card. We have not improved to where we will knock out the 9 teams ahead of us. The streak is over and it is time to build for the future. Goodbye Hudson and Giles. Wickman or Borowski will not turn this around. Time to face reality.

By Max

July 7, 2006 08:18 PM | Link to this

Calvin are you serious the pitcher hit a grandslam i would bury my head in the dirt after that!!!

By Justin

July 7, 2006 08:20 PM | Link to this

It seems like every time todd pratt is catching we get are a*s beat

By Lew

July 7, 2006 08:21 PM | Link to this

MBATL-the answer is NOT to trade for young pitching and then give it away for Carl Crawford. Carl Crawford would not have helped tonight. Keep the young pitching.

By Max

July 7, 2006 08:22 PM | Link to this

Lew please calm down the game is not over it’s only 1 game besides we have to focus on winning series we already have 1 under our belts and this game is not over.Remember the Reds pitching staff is not great.

By MBATL

July 7, 2006 08:26 PM | Link to this

Lew, sounds like you’re coming around to my view, sort of? Maybe not. Anyway, you pretty much know my views from earlier today.

However we get there, we need pitching. Bad.

By brewdawg

July 7, 2006 08:33 PM | Link to this

Ramirez deserves the benefit of the doubt for one start. Basically everyone ahead of us is losing so it’s not the end of the world. I do wonder what Smoltzie will say when the inevitable “gotta go 8-2” comes up. Hey if we go 7-3 that won’t be too bad. Now let’s see if we can’t bang in some runs to make this interesting.

By Lew

July 7, 2006 08:35 PM | Link to this

Look Max. You have all been trying to tell me all week long that all we needed was a bullpen fix. I don’t give a damn if we come back and win this thing 15-14. This team has holes on a lot of fronts. Carl Crawford is not the answer. We need pitching and a lot more pitching that we are going to get before the trade deadline. Andruw is NOT going to be traded and certainly not for enough to get through this season. It is time to face reality. I would love for the streak to last forever. I still intend to watch every Braves’ game (I’ve only missed one this year because I was at Schilling’s 200th win). But the writing is on the wall (or is that the runs are on the scoreboard). Where do you see that we have proved we are ready for a playoff run? The starters are totally inconsistent. We were lucky to win last night after the bull pen (still another) meltdown. The Mets are lousy right now and we are not even gaining on them. What have you seen that I’ve missed to warrant any optimism at all? Am I truly that blind? With this team it’s constantly one thing or another. I know Hudson is better than what he’s shown. I know Horacio is better by far than he showed this evening, but if we are going to have any shot at all, a winning % of around .700 or better is essential. The longer we wait the highewr the % will have to be. The Braves have not played at a % close to that all year and are showing no signs of changing that. You can keep talking about winning 2 of 3, but again there is that pesky winning% thing again. Optimism? I don’t see the reason for it. Sorry guys. The time has come. It is over.

By Beachcomber

July 7, 2006 08:36 PM | Link to this

Calvin - Just wanted you to know I found an old video tape of the Smoltz fans Expo hot dog Carlos Perez. In the days ahead, I will try to identify the exact date. Watched enough of it to know our double play combo was Blauser and Graffanino and Javy was our catcher and I believe Andruw was playing right field for some reason. Will try to track down an exact date this weekend. Even after all these years and a 9-0 pasting tonight, the tape is hilarious.

By The Grinch

July 7, 2006 08:40 PM | Link to this

What the Hell! I go out to the store at the last minute and it’s 9-0! Where is Ramirez? Did he get hurt? Aaargghh! Not Villareal! Please tell me HoRam got the flu or something; that it’s not an elbow. At least Pratt’s in the lineup, I see..his bat will save us! I can’t leave these guys alone for a minute. Umm, about that 6-3 prediction…

By MBATL

July 7, 2006 08:41 PM | Link to this

Lew, I feel your passion! But what do YOU want to do? Trade Giles for a middle reliever and Hudson for a couple of prospects? Is that gonna fix anything?

The Dallas Cowboys traded Herschel Walker for a run of 3 championships.

By MEB

July 7, 2006 08:41 PM | Link to this

Dang I was looking forward to Braves baseball tonight but this is not looking good. Think I will go see that Pirates of the Caribbean movie. Arrrgggghhhhh!!!!!

By brewdawg

July 7, 2006 08:45 PM | Link to this

Hey Grinch: You see that it’s 9-0 and then you wonder why Horacio isn’t pitching. Lol. No man he’s not hurt he just didn’t have it tonight. Pulled after 1 inning.

By Max

July 7, 2006 08:45 PM | Link to this

Lew do you really believe JS is not going to do anything, if it has taken this long something BIG is brewing.Just imagine you were the GM.You would wait aslong as you can before you start giving up your prospects.Listen i’ve been a BRAVES fan forever and one thing that i will not do is underestamate JS.

By hk

July 7, 2006 08:47 PM | Link to this

… MBATL,

… am in a weakened condition after the last few minutes:

([click here]http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/teams/salaries?team=atl)

By Lew

July 7, 2006 08:50 PM | Link to this

MBATL- You know I feel that trading the two of them is how we need to go. We can get 2-3 players for each of them. We should be able to, at the very least, get some decent prospects for them if not a couple of proven players and save about $11 mil doing it on their next year’s salaries. With the attrition of Reitsma, Thomson, Sosa and Jordan at the end of the season, this leaves us about $21 million we don’t have now. I know Ramirez and LaRoche will command a raise in arbitration, but even with that and Hampton’s full salary kicking in next year, we will STILL have a pot of money to use for filling holes. Trading them at the deadline to contenders will almost guarantee the contenders overspending and that means higher quality players in return. It is definitely the way to go. Carl Crawford will not help. WE MUST GET ALL OF THE PITCHING WE CAN GET OUR HANDS ON. There’s no two ways about it. Pitching is the problem and you can’t have too much of it. Time to bite the bullet and plan for the future. We can’t get enough to make it through this season and keep Hudson and Giles. This year is toast.

By Max

July 7, 2006 08:50 PM | Link to this

Brewdawg Horacio just didn’t adjust.as a pitcher you need to see what’s working and this idiot just didn’t have a clue.Trade his a**!!!!

By Max

July 7, 2006 08:54 PM | Link to this

GO CHIPPER!!!!!!

By hk

July 7, 2006 08:54 PM | Link to this

… see what I mean ?

try again

By Max

July 7, 2006 08:56 PM | Link to this

PLEASE LEAVE MILTON OUT THERE!!!!!!!!

By Lew

July 7, 2006 08:57 PM | Link to this

Max, it is not that JS won’t do anything, it is that by the time the trade deadline comes around it will be too late to turn the season around. The way we are playing, it is already too late. JS should NOT give up any prospects to try to keep the streak alive. There is no quick fix in sight. The holes are too deep. Picking up an available reliever won’t turn this disaster around and we can’t keep winning 10-9 or whatever. You just can’t expect the bullpen to pitch 6 or 7 innings a game. With tonight, over the past 14 games, the bullpen will have pitched 50 innings! That’s almost 4 innings per game and at least 3 or 4 where they have pitched 6 or 7 innings, or like tonight 8. This is more than Wickman or Borowski can possibly turn around. Yes, I know Chipper just hit a HR and the lead is down to 7, but your optimism is way misplaced. We need much more than JS can provide this season with the $ available.

By The Grinch

July 7, 2006 08:57 PM | Link to this

Well, I didn’t know. He could have been a last minute scratch and Villareal could have given up all 9! I left 20 minutes before game time. I just didn’t want to believe he had sucked that bad. We all have those days, though. I’ve got some work to catch up on, anyhow…I think I’ll keep the radio on in the background, just in case. Remember, they suck too. Go Pratt!

By MBATL

July 7, 2006 08:59 PM | Link to this

Thanks HK… from what I can see without a lot of research, we have $2.2 mil invested in Sosa (we’ll call him a reliever now, I guess); $460K in Villarea; $336 in Boyer (who’s not pitching); $332K in Mcbride; I’m assuming that Ray, Peranto, etc are making the ML minimum. Reitsma was making about 2.75 mil and I don’t know how his salary plays out since he’s hurt.

We complain about the pen, but right now we’ve got about 5 - 10 percent of our resources invested there (my numbers are pretty general, so forgive me if they’re not accurate).

Any great surprise that it’s the weakness of our team?

By Max

July 7, 2006 09:03 PM | Link to this

Lew you are talking like if the Mets are going to keep winning they already played their best baseball.Now it’s our turn!!!!!GO BRAVES!!!!!And we have 9 games against the Mets

By Woogidy

July 7, 2006 09:05 PM | Link to this

Kevin Barry , nice job.

By David O'Brien

July 7, 2006 09:09 PM | Link to this

Woogidy, I like Williamson, and said in blog last week that Cubs would make him and several others _ Todd Walker, Nevin, etc _ available. He’s only one that makes much sense for Braves from that sinking ship, but he’s no closer.

Wouldn’t surprise me at all if they got him.

How ‘bout Ho tonight?

Who wants pie?!

By brian

July 7, 2006 09:10 PM | Link to this

Call me crazy but I still think a deal with the Cubs could really help our pitching. Williamson could easily be had. Dempster as well, but would be more expensive in prospects and salary.

The move I really would like to see the Braves make with the Cubs is getting Maddux back. He would be a huge addition to our club in support of our younger pitchers. He also would be a huge addition to the starters - Smoltz, Hudson, Maddux, James, and Ramirez, and when Davies returns we may could deal Ramirez for some real help, especially if he keeps pitching well (ignore tonight please). Or let Maddux try closing when Davies returns - he cannot be any worse than Sosa.

Maddux would be costly in absorbing his salary but because of that and the fact he will be a free agent, he can’t cost terribly much in prospects.

Maddux belongs in a Braves uniform to end his career.

By Woogidy

July 7, 2006 09:13 PM | Link to this

GL getting tix, MEB, The theater in my town was sold out ‘til 10pm at 6pm.

By Glass Half Full

July 7, 2006 09:15 PM | Link to this

How about Bob Howry or Scott Eyre instead of Williamson from the Cubs? I know neither one is a “closer,” but they have better numbers than Williamson.

By hk

July 7, 2006 09:17 PM | Link to this

MBATL,

… pretty much the same story year in and year out, tiny portion of payroll $ goes for the bullpen … thing that jumped out at me was Hampton $14.4mm vs entire Marlins payroll, $14.3mm (groan) …

By The Baseball Fan Also Known as Billy (TBFNB)

July 7, 2006 09:17 PM | Link to this

I take a nap…sleep longer than I wanted and see that H. Ramirez must’ve had a really bad game. WTF. Well I guess you have these games everyonce in while……better than the bullpen blowing one I guess.

By Lew

July 7, 2006 09:17 PM | Link to this

Max I agree with you, the Mets are in decline. No doubt. The only problem is we have to win to take advantage of it. We ain’t doing that and 9 runs in 2 innings and evaporating 5 run leads won’t get it done either. If the Mets lose and we lose too, how do we gain ground on them. Y’all, it’s been a long day and I’m sure you’re tired of hearing this old boy pontificate. Have a nice evening. Hope Chipper hits 2 or 3 more tonight. DOB, enjoy your pie. I just discovered AFI, and I’m gonna go rock for a while and then go to bed. Good night fellow Braves’ fans.

By Max

July 7, 2006 09:18 PM | Link to this

Barry looks great!! closer role maybe?!!!

By The Grinch

July 7, 2006 09:22 PM | Link to this

Later, Lew. Barry looked pretty good. Dave, make mine key lime, if you don’t mind. Haven’t had that in a while. Mmmmm…pie.

By Calvin

July 7, 2006 09:22 PM | Link to this

Thanks Beachcomber. I really appreciate it.

By Max

July 7, 2006 09:23 PM | Link to this

Glass half full :Scott is NASTIER then those other guys.

By Calvin

July 7, 2006 09:26 PM | Link to this

Mr. O’Brien If I recall correctly, Williamson was a closer for the Reds and the BoSox and didn’t fair all that well. However, I think he is probably better for the setup role.

By Glass Half Full

July 7, 2006 09:26 PM | Link to this

I hope you’re right, Max. Ken Rosenthal even mentioned the likelihood of him winding up in Atlanta by 7/31, and as we all know, Rosenthal “knows” everything.

By Woogidy

July 7, 2006 09:27 PM | Link to this

no closer, but a better choice than the other “no closers”

By hk

July 7, 2006 09:28 PM | Link to this

… during the game I entire live numbers into my trusty spreadsheet, the line graphs wiggle up and down alot from inning to inning … 3 weeks ago, Braves reliever’s era was 5.37, starter’s 4.58 … as of the moment (6th inning) reliever’s is now lower than our starter’s !!! (4.72 vs 4.73)…

… (not to worry, no chart) …

By Glass Half Full

July 7, 2006 09:30 PM | Link to this

Williamson earned 21 saves in 2003 and blew 7 opportunities. Had 19 for Cincy in 1999. 55 career saves.

By journalist jimmy smith

July 7, 2006 09:32 PM | Link to this

well, this blog has turned full circle. esteemed journalist dob in successive blogs has talked toes and now pie. jimmy smith will now talk music. how ‘bout that johnny cash? june carter cash cooked little biscuits that were hard to wash down and that gave him that throaty warble that sounds so good. jimmy smith agrees that he is a good artist. deceased, yes, but still a good artist. now, pie … dob is right that tonight we must drown our sorrows in pie. barry looks pretty good, huh? bobby said tonight that sosa remains the closa. mark lemke referred to chipper as the “big toe” of the team. there is much wisdom there - and isn’t it fun to watch chipper play now? he looks to be having fun again. now, dr bert asked about wickman’s toes. this journalist has no information on the toes of bob wickman and journalist hopes the braves will not acquire him and make toe research necessary. now, dob seems to be making a comeback with the gorgeous ex-mrsdob. jimmy smith has this to say to esteemed dob - absence makes the heart grow fonder - clean up those toe nails and give her a call.

By Max

July 7, 2006 09:32 PM | Link to this

9-4 LET’S GO BRAVES !!!!LET’S GO BRAVES!!!!

By Glass Half Full

July 7, 2006 09:36 PM | Link to this

Barry in the rotation? $4 million dollar man Thomson behind the counter at the Circle K? Sounds good.

By Todd A

July 7, 2006 09:37 PM | Link to this

Trading for Cubs players at this point would be like leaping off the Titanic on to the Lusitania.

By Todd A

July 7, 2006 09:40 PM | Link to this

Note the Lusitania reference seeing how John Schuerholz torpedoed our season by sticking with Reitsma.

By Muzzy

July 7, 2006 09:41 PM | Link to this

Gotta love Turner Sports South or whatever they call themselves.

They just flashed a graphic of the wild card standings showing the Braves 7 games back. Quick and simple addition shows they are 8 back.

But what do you expect from Cheerleader Bob Rathbun and his crew.

By Max

July 7, 2006 09:46 PM | Link to this

my money is on chipper this at bat

By Glass Half Full

July 7, 2006 09:47 PM | Link to this

Working 9-5, what a way to make a living…

By Glass Half Full

July 7, 2006 09:49 PM | Link to this

What the f*** was Andruw doing? He should watch Jeter tape. Always hustle down the f******* line!

By Todd A

July 7, 2006 09:49 PM | Link to this

Guess Andruw was trotting down the line again?

By Glass Half Full

July 7, 2006 09:51 PM | Link to this

Totally gay.

By Max

July 7, 2006 09:51 PM | Link to this

hey guy’s what do you think are we winning this tonight?!!

By MBATL

July 7, 2006 09:51 PM | Link to this

Yeah, sign him up for another 5 years. We don’t need a guy to run out a line drive.

By Todd A

July 7, 2006 09:52 PM | Link to this

That may turn out to be a huge run taken off the board.

By Glass Half Full

July 7, 2006 09:53 PM | Link to this

It would be a HUGE win as far as momentum goes, but of course every batter will have to leave the batter’s box promptly after making contact in the 8th and 9th.

By Del

July 7, 2006 09:59 PM | Link to this

Bobby should have sat him down right then and there. Another missed mgmt opportunity!

By Todd A

July 7, 2006 10:01 PM | Link to this

What do you know….Andruw loafs down the first base line AGAIN and it costs the Braves a run(who knows what could happen if inning is prolonged).The Reds come back and immediately score in the top half,probably putting the game away.Huge momentum shift right there.

And some people wonder why Andruw and Chipper are bashed to no lenghts on these boards.There you have it.

By Beachcomber

July 7, 2006 10:05 PM | Link to this

Passed ball, a toss into left field, keep up the mentoring, Todd.

By Glass Half Full

July 7, 2006 10:05 PM | Link to this

Speaking of Rosenthal: he did say the Braves should be buyers at the deadline. According to him, everyone else in the NL East except the Mets should be sellers or do nothing.

By Glass Half Full

July 7, 2006 10:08 PM | Link to this

Never hire a lawyer that advertises on television?

By Max

July 7, 2006 10:09 PM | Link to this

Let’s go Chad hold them!!

By MBATL

July 7, 2006 10:10 PM | Link to this

Todd A: Chipper’s accused of not hustling too?

By Max

July 7, 2006 10:12 PM | Link to this

Heck ya !!! we are buyers

By Peter Gammons

July 7, 2006 10:12 PM | Link to this

Braves trade LaRoche

As reported by the San Antonio Daily Mirror, Atlanta Braves 1st basemen Adam LaRoche has been traded to the Texas Rangers for “future considerations” and a dozen of no-doze.

We could only wish. Tonight’s game… 2 on — strike-out, 1 on — douple play. And does anybody know the Brave’s record when Pratt starts? There are bad players and then they are bad players…

By geauxbraves2000

July 7, 2006 10:14 PM | Link to this

Nice pitching from the pen tonight, with the exception of Villareal (no shocker there). If the Braves can get the starters together with the pen this could be awesome team.

By The Grinch

July 7, 2006 10:15 PM | Link to this

Never fear, everyone! Pratt will lead off the bottom of the 9th. His mighty bat will atone for his earlier throwing error. Andruw needs an a$$ chewing. Sweet double play by the Reds second baseman. C’mon, Braves!

By brian

July 7, 2006 10:17 PM | Link to this

It was a nice play by Phillips but it was not as if they had to hurry to get the “runner” at first

By Mike Piazza

July 7, 2006 10:18 PM | Link to this

Yaeh, anybody know the record when T. Pratt starts a ballgame? That would be interesting.

By Todd A

July 7, 2006 10:21 PM | Link to this

Guess you haven’t watched Chipper jog down the first base line the last 10 years?

However,he has managed to turn it up a notch the last 2 1/2 weeks fwiw.He is playing very well right now.

By The Grinch

July 7, 2006 10:23 PM | Link to this

Everyday Eddie looked a lot better than whore-hey. Of course, Pratt, Langerhans and Giles aren’t exactly murderer’s row. Wonder how many fans are sticking around for the fireworks show? I would, to get my money’s worth. At least the Mets, Phillies and Nats all lost. We’ll get ‘em tommorrow.

By The Grinch

July 7, 2006 10:25 PM | Link to this

Time for pie.

By Todd A

July 7, 2006 10:25 PM | Link to this

Does Todd Pratt take every team he joins to the bottom of the standings?

By Beachcomber

July 7, 2006 10:28 PM | Link to this

Todd A - We really won’t care whether he’s running jogging or what when he steps up to the podium in Cooperstown about ten years from now.

By Todd A

July 7, 2006 10:34 PM | Link to this

LOL….we’ll see.

By The Grinch

July 7, 2006 10:35 PM | Link to this

To introduce someone?

By SONDRA V

July 7, 2006 10:40 PM | Link to this

Horacio did’nt have his “A”game on tonight(but he’ll get the groove back.I would have rather havs Guarardo save the 5 runs saved as he did tonight than have the 5 runs BLOWN like we had last night!!!!!!Chew on that!!!!!

By ernesto

July 7, 2006 10:42 PM | Link to this

This HoRam was certainly not the exception to the rule. He’s been the same since he’s been here, a few good games peppered with an equal amount of unwatchable outings. I don’t know why people keep saying out rotation is the best in the NL….Horam? Thomson? Sosa? Davies show only flashes. And I believe James will be good but Huddy certainly hasn’t been lights out. Every time I read a post that says our rotation is solid I just wonder what you’re watching.

By Jeremy

July 7, 2006 10:44 PM | Link to this

Adam Wainwright is below Looper and Isringhausen on the Cardinals bullpen chain of command. Can’t JS get him and Hector Luna for Giles?

By Cleanuphitter16

July 7, 2006 11:13 PM | Link to this

I wonder what it would take for the Braves to pry away Scott Eyre (44 games, 19/44 BB/K, 2.50 ERA) or Bob Howry (44 games, 11/37 BB/K, 3.19 ERA) from the Cubbies. They aren’t “sexy” names, but could arguably help ATL more than Scott Williamson and his 14/29 BB/K and 4.21 ERA. If they do go after Williamson, I sure as h**l hope they don’t overpay.

How I wish I could listen in on JS’s cell phone for a day!

By David O'Brien

July 7, 2006 11:44 PM | Link to this

you folks realize when I said Williamson is no closer I just meant, he’s not a closer ANY LONGER, right? Ok, just making sure.

he’s only pitched 68-2/3 innings in 72 games since beginning of 2004 season, and converted one of two saves in that time. But he does have a .191 opponents’ average and 80 K in that stretch.

T hough it’s up to 4.21 this season and 5.50 ERA with 11 runs, 11 walks in past 18 innings, he’s also got 29 strikeouts in 25-2/3 innings this season. So he can still get it past guys.

He’d definitely be an upgrade over most of what Braves have now, that’s for sure. Well worth bringing in and trying in any role.

By Calvin

July 8, 2006 12:02 AM | Link to this

Why isn’t no one talking about the great job, again, that Kevin Barry pulled off? 4 more scoreless innings. That’s awesome. Maybe he should be starting.

By Calvin

July 8, 2006 12:07 AM | Link to this

That should read “any one”. Stupid double negatives…eek…lol.

By SONDRA V

July 8, 2006 12:11 AM | Link to this

To Mike Piazza Todd Pratt’s win/lost record for this season thus far is 15w’s/24l’s April=2w/6l.May=9w/6l.June=2w/12l(everybody know’s McCain was on DL then)July=1w/1l.You asked,I delivered.P.S.I keep score of all the games.

By Josh

July 8, 2006 12:18 AM | Link to this

Seriously where are all the Chipper haters now i mean where have u all gone?

By Hal

July 8, 2006 12:37 AM | Link to this

im sure that after everyone of those 24 losses Pratt mentored MCCan though on how to turn the glove over to catch a down and in sinker!probably gave the Kid lots of invaluable batting tips too!!

By David

July 8, 2006 12:51 AM | Link to this

Wickman, Prior, Sosa, Braves? Who cares? Let’s have more on the gorgeous ex-wife with the sense of humor

By Braveheart

July 8, 2006 01:14 AM | Link to this

I say 6’8”” Phil Stockman can be the answer to the closer problems. Once he comes off the DL, I hope he can be given a few quality setup innings. If he performs well, as I think he can, insert him into the closer role. He had been lights out at Richmond with a 0.91 ERA & 39 SO in 29.2 IP. I know he is a RAW rookie, but many times closers come out of nowhere & I believe he could be the one, if he can get healthy. David O, do you think Stockman could get a chance to be the Braves closer?

By Head Coach

July 8, 2006 02:19 AM | Link to this

Well , a blowout is preferable to a one run loss anyday. Ramirez didnt have it tonight , obviously. Cox better bench Andruw for a game as punishment for his base running boo boo. Now , can everybody see why I’ve been ranting and raving about Ryan Freel all season ? The dude is Lenny Dykstra cloned , he plays six positions , runs , steals bases , plays defense , hustles , bunts and does every damn thing you would ever want in a leadoff hitter. I would trade John Thomson for him in a heartbeat. The Reds have Felipe Lopez and Brandon Phillips along with Freel too leadoff , it seems they might trade him if we offered something they want. O’well so much for Smoltz 8-2 ultimatum , lol. This Kevin Barry kid looks sharp , so far… knock on wood. Ken Ray should be the closer until he proves otherwise , I think he has earned the chance. Smoltzy better bring his A-game tomorrow , he is going to need it against Aaron Harang. Go you stinking Braves !!!!

By Bob, Journalist

July 8, 2006 03:06 AM | Link to this

I just installed a replacement server and connected to the Internet … and what do I find … Jimmy Smith suggesting me as a closer. I once read three books on closing and thought I had it mastered but it’s harder than you might think … after 43 sales presentations without a sale, I gave up!

I’ve often said that 10 Paul is a very astute blogger “… I have no idea where I am now… The names change, but the faces seem the same…” … here’s some more proof.

David O’B … listening to John’s last is hard, but meaningful … especially after having seen him at June’s memorial service.

I depended on you folks … and we lost!When I got in, the score was 9-0 but the rest of the game looked pretty good … except for Andruw’s “anticipation” blunder … I thought the idea was to hit the ball and run real fast … not stand and watch the play unfold.

By Klesko

July 8, 2006 04:27 AM | Link to this

Barry has been a closer in the Braves system for a few years and just got switched to starter down there, he seems to be throwing lights out, Sosa is garbage right now. Either give the kid a shot or let him Start.

By billy g

July 8, 2006 08:13 AM | Link to this

Jorge Sosa has been given enough chances. He obviously has a strong arm but he has been unable to use it.

Bump him to the minors and assign a pschychologist to him. Sosa’s problems are in his head and throwing him out there night after night does no one any good. A psychologist did wonders for Smoltz, the Braves should try one for Sosa.

By The Grinch

July 8, 2006 08:18 AM | Link to this

Funny stuff, Bob. It occured to me watching Guardado last night that maybe American League pitchers should get some sort of handicap when under consideration for NL jobs…like maybe having a half-point shaved off their ERA considering the overall hitting discrepancy. Thus perhaps Wickman might be upgraded from mediocre to servicable.

By JasonInMaine

July 8, 2006 09:10 AM | Link to this

We should look into getting Bobby Howry from the Cubs and make him the closer.

By Ciccio

July 8, 2006 10:38 AM | Link to this

Compared to Jorge Sosa, acquiring Bob Wickman or Francisco Cordero as the Braves next closer would be like adding Dennis Eckersley to their bullpen. Braves should make an effort to acquire Dontrell Willis if be becomes available. Hopefully an offer starting with Salty and Kyle Davies would pique the Marlins interest.

By Glass Half Full

July 8, 2006 11:29 AM | Link to this

The Marlins will actually make a serious run at the division in 2008 maybe 2007. Trading Dontrelle makes no sense.

By journalist jimmy smith

July 8, 2006 11:34 AM | Link to this

journalist bob, jimmy smith was once a professional closer - but so was reitsma. it is what have you done lately that counts. the telling truth is that once numbness sets in the closing is over. journalist will be closing a real estate transaction on monday. perhaps afterward jimmy smith can take a turn on the mound in the ninth inning. journalist cannot hit the middle of the plate - down the middle seems to be the failng of late.

little is being made of andruw’s blunder on the base paths. not running hard to first is not cool - it is unprofessionsal, embarrassing, and hurtful to the team. a team this far behind does not need to play one-hand catch in the outfield and fail to run hard on the basepaths. we saw this in the playoffs from andruw and we saw it again last night with the team trying to mount a comeback. bobby must have missed it. if he did see it maybe we will see a difference today in andruw’s approach. it is ironic that those who have the talent to be great -very special players- often rob themselves of that opportunity. andruw has wonderful talent and that infectuous smile and he throws himself around in the field to make spectacular plays. why doesn’t he run hard on the bases? is that acceptable behavior? seems so. tough loss last night but a blowout is easier to take than another blown save. pie for everybody!

By Head Coach

July 8, 2006 02:25 PM | Link to this

DAVID O’BRIEN , have you heard anything new concerning Davies ? he is due to come off the DL on the 20th , is he still on track to be healthy enough to pitch ? Davies and Stockman would help if they were available. I would demote Sosa or give him away in a trade and call up Will Startup. Jimmy , your right Andruw should be benched for at least one game. Somebody put a bug in Schuerholz ear and tell him to ask if Ryan Freel is available.

By PENN

July 8, 2006 02:37 PM | Link to this

Don’t laugh too hard about Dontrelle Willis hitting a grand slam. His career batting record is good enough he has been used as a pinch hitter a few times. His career stats:

G 122 AB 256 R 26 H 57 2B 8 3B 1 HR 4 RBI 23 TB 79 SO 47 OBP .265 SLG .309 BA .223

By berigan

July 8, 2006 02:46 PM | Link to this

Francisco Cordero? His ERA was in the mid 5’s in the middle of June. He is pitching better of late, but on a jazz board I frequent, I recall a Ranger fan just going nuts last year with all the blown saves last year. He is basically Sosa,(only with more temper, remember him throwing the chair in the bullpen?) if you ask me.

By Head Coach

July 8, 2006 02:57 PM | Link to this

The fat lady sang at the end of May and August 1st yours truly will be giving the graveside Eulogy for the 2006 Atlanta Braves , mark the date down.

By journalist jimmy smith

July 8, 2006 03:07 PM | Link to this

penn, what is in cheez whiz? you have a chance for a scoop and can be named a journalist.

By The Baseball Fan Also Known as Billy (TBFNB)

July 8, 2006 03:12 PM | Link to this

Lets see how K. Barry does the second time around the league before we make him the closer……

By hk

July 8, 2006 04:40 PM | Link to this

… hmmm, Carolina Lady as long relief, Bob as setup man, Jimmy as closer, yes, that might just hunt !!

… updated MVP’s …

Year End..Runs..Homers..RBI’s..MVP

Andruw…..93…..35….134….263

Frenchy….80…..28….112….220

Chipper….95…..20…..93….209

Edgar…..102…..17…..65….184

LaRoche….73…..24…..80….177

Giles……99…..13…..60….171

McCann…..47…..11…..50….108

Langy……52…..11…..35…..99

Betemit….37…..11…..34…..82

Team Average……………….167

… Chipper moving up fast … simplified the page quite a bit, might be worth a look …

click here for curves

By Bob, journalist

July 8, 2006 05:21 PM | Link to this

Jimmy, that story about my closing was a bunch of lies … truth is, I was a good closer but I didn’t want the job … these bloggers are too tough on closers, calling them bad names and such. My family just wouldn’t understand!

I did read those books on closing … and, as I recall, they covered 8 distinct methods of closing. It was 50 years ago, the summer of 1955 and Ray Charles was singing “I Got A Woman” … I was working as the assistant buyer for my uncles’ furniture store … pontificating as usual as to how they should do things when one of them told me I couldn’t sell “iceboxes on the Equator” … brash and undaunted, I went to the library and checked out those books!

Unbelievable but the 100% true story … I was scared to death when I started but in the first week, I used all 8 techniques and closed 13 straight sales!

I remember the easiest of the 13 … a young couple that frequented the store but never bought anything … were looking at diningroom suites. The young man asked me about one and I told him “that one’s very nice but allow me to show you one that I think would be better for you” … and started extolling the virtues of one of cheapest promotional groups … “What’s wrong with the one I asked you about?”, the young man asked … “Nothing, it’s the finest one we have but, I just don’t think you can afford it!” That was sale number seven, and they paid in cash, as I knew they could!

From my perspective, the two cardinal rules in closing are to make sure you know the “game situation” and to whom it is you’re “pitching”!

My favorite relief pitcher was a young Phil Niekro … only one problem … passed balls.

Country Brown is my favorite Centerfielder of all time … give him Frenchy’s arm and he’d be known as a member of the Hall rather than a Deputy. Andruw ain’t too far behind … but I wish he’d lose a little weight and the esteemed Mr. Cox has missed several opportune moments for taking our Mr. Jones out of the game for seemingly unacceptable behavior. We all remember one occassion where Andruw got the message … and superstar or no, I’ll bet it would still be effective! I imagine that Frenchy would profit from the same treatment.

“Unprofessionsal, embarrassing, and hurtful to the team … it is ironic that those who have the talent to be great -very special players- often rob themselves of that opportunity” Our esteemed Jimmy Smith can be as insightful as he is a master of wit … can he not?!

I honestly believe that we would have won the game had our centerfielder beat the rap at first.

By Chop Chop

July 8, 2006 05:40 PM | Link to this

I believe we would’ve won the game if we hadn’t been down 9-0 after the second inning. Then again, that’s just my opinion.

I don’t know if anyone else noticed this, but you could almost see the color return to the fielders’ faces (or as a dearly departed Beatle once stated it in “Here Comes The Sun”…”I see the smiles returning to their faces”) when Barry came in and struck out two guys in the fourth inning. Horacio was terrible and Villarreal not much better, but Barry righted the ship. It’s as if the players felt they now had a chance with Barry in there. That’s what good bullpen work can do for a team. It can make a team believe, Andruw’s laziness aside, that they’re never out of a game and that they shouldn’t give up.

By Max

July 8, 2006 05:48 PM | Link to this

Wow Kevin Barry has been a breath of fresh air for our struggling team

By Bob, journalist

July 8, 2006 05:57 PM | Link to this

Chop Chop … Here! Here! on the never give up! It’s true that we would have won had we scored more runs than they … It’s not often that you recover from a 0-9 start but I just thought the boys seemed energized in the seventh, ready to make it happen.

Maybe B. L. Johnson is the closer for the Braves … proven “star” caliber with family ties in Atlanta and already on the Turner payroll.

By Max

July 8, 2006 05:57 PM | Link to this

Listen guys between Paronto,Yates,Barry and Ray all we need is 1 more person to do a decent job.I believe that our starters will work themselves out

By Jmart

July 8, 2006 06:05 PM | Link to this

Its not that I have given up on this team and this year but… to give up a quality prospect or two for a mediocre reliever hoping that somehow this could turn things around is fools gold. If we are goinf to trade some of our good prospects we should wait until the off season and get more value than we will get during the season. I believe that we have as good a chance of turning the season around with who we have in plave (majors and minors) as we would have giving up some good prospects for a mediocre reliver or a 3 month and gone player. Bryan Pena is too good to give away. I would stay put, get some of my DL players back and bring up another prospect or two.

By Max

July 8, 2006 06:43 PM | Link to this

Instead of Pratt playing backup Bryan Pena should have that role don’t you think guys?

By Bob, journalist

July 8, 2006 06:54 PM | Link to this

Max, Bryan Pena and Pratt bring different things to the table.

By elbravox

July 8, 2006 07:06 PM | Link to this

No hitter!!!

By Del

July 8, 2006 07:44 PM | Link to this

I’ve seen enough of Cincy’s Mr Freel to know that if JS ever gets half a chance to obtain this gentleman he better jump on that chance with both feet. Freel would make one fine leadoff man plus be a super-sub at the very least.

By Bob, journalist

July 8, 2006 08:04 PM | Link to this

One would think that hitters would do better as the game progresses but Edgar continue to amaze with his first inning hitting.

The next 3 innings should be interesting.

HK, with me as a setup man, I doubt that we’d need a closer … if chicks really dig the long ball, I’d be quite the ladies man … maybe that’s Sosa’s problem!

By Calvin

July 8, 2006 08:14 PM | Link to this

Andruw still can’t hit a breaking ball.

By journalist jimmy smith

July 8, 2006 08:20 PM | Link to this

they return from a commercial and we are greeted with andruw running to the wall. double. mccann then throws out the runner at third. mccann is always in the game. always hustling. journalist bob, jimmy smith thanks you for the nice compliment. hk, the graphs are interesting but do not take into account that sometimes our players will not run from base to base. now, it seems the braves have several reliable relievers. jimmy smith was disappointed when bobby called sosa with the bases full and needing outs. paronto is the ground ball expert and journalist thought maybe he would be summoned. did anyone else think the same?

By Beachcomber

July 8, 2006 08:23 PM | Link to this

Calvin - It’s always amazed me why any pitcher would throw anything without a wrinkle to Andrew Jones or Ron Gant - extremely quick bats but incredibly weak against the breaking ball. BTW the Carlos Perez/John Smoltz saga was in the last homestand of the 1997 season - the first game, not enough information on the tape to determine day of the week but that should lead you to some video of it. Also, if you can find a full game watch the post game interview with Smoltz as well - classic. Wow! We got hosed at that call at first!

By Woogidy

July 8, 2006 08:28 PM | Link to this

More Onion Stuff.

TBS’s Department Of Humor Analysis Fails To Find Humor In Braves Games June 22, 2006 | Onion Sports

ATLANTA—With the Braves recently sinking into last place in the National League East, the TBS network’s in-house Department Of Humor Analysis is having difficulty figuring out what is “very funny” about Atlanta Braves baseball. “Being the worst team in their division is a little funny, I suppose,” said DHA head analyst John Cleese, who had just finished analyzing several scenes from Dumb And Dumber. “But seeing as how the team combines their dismal won-loss record with a total lack of personality, well, even the famed quantum humorists at our prestigious Department Of Humor Analysis can’t find anything funny about that.” Cleese added that, even if their season continues to go poorly or they find some miraculous way to win, the depression or euphoria that would inevitably follow might be better suited for broadcast on TNT, which claims to “know drama.”

By hk

July 8, 2006 08:56 PM | Link to this

… Frenchy Frenchy, Frenchy !!!

… that one for granddad …

By MEB

July 8, 2006 08:57 PM | Link to this

Hot diggitty dog. Love to seen them franks jumping up and down.

Did ya’ll see Larouche with his head down and Bobby yelling for him to run? WOW!!!

By journalist jimmy smith

July 8, 2006 08:59 PM | Link to this

why must they be told to run? if everyone played as hard as smoltz we’d be winning.

By hk

July 8, 2006 09:01 PM | Link to this

… jimmy, Roachy must have heard you, Blinding speed on the basepaths on two consecutive plays!!!

By The Baseball Fan Also Known as Billy (TBFNB)

July 8, 2006 09:05 PM | Link to this

Frenchy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By The Baseball Fan Also Known as Billy (TBFNB)

July 8, 2006 09:10 PM | Link to this

Smoltzie!!!!!!!!!

By hk

July 8, 2006 09:15 PM | Link to this

… at the moment, Braves relievers and starters ERA are identical at 4.67 …

By hk

July 8, 2006 09:17 PM | Link to this

… Chipper heard you too !!!

By MEB

July 8, 2006 09:22 PM | Link to this

Brian Mccann is a fantastic ballplayer. Without a doubt should be starting the All Star Game.

By The Baseball Fan Also Known as Billy (TBFNB)

July 8, 2006 09:28 PM | Link to this

Man……the worst 30hr/100rbi season in history damn sure is clutch….Major League leasder in two out RBI’s……SI got pie on their face.

By The Baseball Fan Also Known as Billy (TBFNB)

July 8, 2006 09:31 PM | Link to this

Oh yeah where are all the bloggers who thought frenchy should be sent back to the minors…..and Chipper haters……havent seen too much negative chipper stuff lately…..someone step up and admit their errors

By Beachcomber

July 8, 2006 09:36 PM | Link to this

SOLID!

By Calvin

July 8, 2006 09:39 PM | Link to this

Thanks Beachcomber. I will see if I can find some video on it and post it.

By hk

July 8, 2006 09:40 PM | Link to this

… tonight we had a stopper, and we had a closer … I truly purely love this game …

By Del

July 8, 2006 09:43 PM | Link to this

What a stark contrast in the bottom of the 8th inning: Druw jogging to first on two good wheels, and McCann busting his butt trying to get to second on a bad ankle. If you want to lead this team Andruw you got to show some leadership!!!!! He pulled that stunt three times tonight. To me, that is not acceptable and it shouldn’t be acceptable to Bobby either. Same goes for Adam

By MEB

July 8, 2006 09:55 PM | Link to this

How does one become one of Mccann’s cans? If accepted do you have to provide your own suit or is one provided.

By journalist jimmy smith

July 8, 2006 09:58 PM | Link to this

del, it didn’t get corrected after the playoffs, and it didn’t get corrected after last night, and it didn’t get corrected the first or second time tonight. so, jimmy smith is of the opinion bobby is not going to correct it. if andruw throws his body around in the field why will he not run? laroche was laloafing and had to be told to run. that is pretty sad. where have we seen that before? chipper is leading by example now - he is hot. jimmy smith wishes he would/could speak up and get everyone hustling like he has been of late. maybe pratt and jordan need to exert some presence. maybe bobby needs to handle it himself.

By brian

July 8, 2006 10:00 PM | Link to this

Nice game tonight!

I do think Williamson will be an upgrade in our bullpen, but I also really would love to see the Braves reaquire Maddux. Just having him in the clubhouse would be huge. I would love to have him in the rotation instead of Thomson. It would be an expensive salary for the rest of the season, but what a rotation of Smoltz, Hudson, Maddux, James, and ramirez with Davies waiting in the wings when healthy.

By MBATL

July 8, 2006 10:00 PM | Link to this

trade AJ now while his value is max.

By brian

July 8, 2006 10:02 PM | Link to this

how about McCann’s maids MEB??????????

By The Baseball Fan Also Known as Billy (TBFNB)

July 8, 2006 10:07 PM | Link to this

what do ya know Baseball tonight leasds off with sox…yankees

By Max

July 8, 2006 10:14 PM | Link to this

Listen i love maddux,as a matter of fact he is my IDOL but i’m not too sure he would do as good as we think.To win in the playoffs you NEED POWER PITCHING and he is far from that.And don’t tell me about 95’ because that was only 1 year.

By Del

July 8, 2006 10:17 PM | Link to this

There is one thing that Mad Dog could do for this team, and that is something that needs some immediate attention. He could teach this whole team how to bunt and sacrifice. He would be an expensive teacher but how much is six (guesstimate)more wins worth between now and the playoffs? As you probably recall GM was an excellant bunter.

By Max

July 8, 2006 10:20 PM | Link to this

AJ is not going NOWHERE all the runs that he saves shouldn’t be taken for granted

By MEB

July 8, 2006 10:22 PM | Link to this

brian… I was disappointed that TBS elected to not show Frenchy’s maids jumping up and down immediately following Francoeur’s clout. TBS executives made a very conservative decision based on the flopping that was involved. Maybe if this were a Braves Extra presentation we would have gotten complete coverage.

By Max

July 8, 2006 10:30 PM | Link to this

How many games are we out now?

By Max

July 8, 2006 10:37 PM | Link to this

We gotta be less than 13 now?!

By Tomahawkin

July 8, 2006 10:40 PM | Link to this

Don’t trade AJ DATS ALL I have to say…, What Da He!! R U smokin MJATL…?

By Tomahawkin

July 8, 2006 10:44 PM | Link to this

Oh Yea, My Fault, I meant MBATL What da he11 R U thinking about trading Andruw, at least we don’t have someone like Jonny Damon who looks like a little leaguer throwing to second base…

By journalist jimmy smith

July 8, 2006 10:49 PM | Link to this

flopping in a family blog? baby seal has been sent to bed - too many questions about flopping in the post from MEB. now, the question about cans … cheese now comes in a can. stay away from canned cheese that is dispensed with thumb pressure. this cheese is not fit for journalists or others. remember that cheese must breathe. breathing cheese is about what we had in the bullpen until recently. guess sosa is no longer the closa despite bobby’s protests to the contrary. remember the alamo. tippecano any tyler, too. who is this big guy on the television now? is he bigger than paronto? does he enjoy a neck? questions aplenty from the journalist tonight. take a pole and see if ray is the latest closer.

By Larry

July 9, 2006 12:10 AM | Link to this

Max - Pena and Berenguer were certainly power pitchers - Lightenburg lasted what 1/2 a season and Cox never really trusted him. Stanton was never a closer. Kolb was never trusted, Cox complained about him before the season even started and bailed out on him quickly.

Look at the history - Rocker, Wohlers, Smoltz, Pena, Reardon — I know there is another one I am missing what was in the upper 90s. Reardon was probably the softest thrower of them all and he was a proven closer when the Braves got him and he was well into the 90 mph.

The mentality of a closer and starter are completely different. It is like asking a centerfielder to play left field and expecting him to excel, they really are different positions.

By PENN

July 9, 2006 12:45 AM | Link to this

Jimmy Smith,

I find your question about Cheez Whiz to be very interesting. By the strangest of coincidences I was a Kraft salesman (1951-1957) when Cheez Whiz was introduced in 1952. At the time it contained 57% moisture which enable Kraft to call it “cheese spread” to distinguish it from Velveeta which had a lower moisture content. Velveeta was known as “cheese food” at that time.

Later Cheez Whiz was changed to “cheese sauce.” I assume this was to reflect an increase in the moisture content as federal law dictates the names that various cheese products can be called.

According to some information I picked up recently modern day Cheez Whiz is made from:

cheese (cheddar, mozzarella, and swiss, surprisingly)

water (It actually containts about 60% or more of moisture including water, whey etc.) Cheese food (Velveeta) contains about 50% moisture.

modified milk ingredients

sodium phosphates (anti-bacterial preservative)

salt and “spice”

mustard

colour

sodium alginate (anti-fungal preservative)

sorbic acid (plain old preservative)

sodium (a whole bunch of this stuff)

By geauxbraves2000

July 9, 2006 01:09 AM | Link to this

Tonight’s game is the type of game I’ve missed, good starting pitching, a closer who actually closed the game, and a comeback offense. WTG Braves!

By nathan

July 9, 2006 01:32 AM | Link to this

Billy, C’mon, even you have to admit that Chipper has stunk it up until the last 2 weeks or so. And as far as I’m concerned, being injured and not being able to contribute also constitutes stinking it up. I know people can’t control injuries, but when you are one of 5 guys that take up half the payroll, you not only have to produce when you play, you have to be in the lineup to be able to produce.

Let’s see how this “foot” thing pans out before we start calling Chipper a force to be reckoned with again. Though I do have to admit, I didn’t even think he had as much as he’s shown lately left in the tank!

One more note on Francoeur/Andruw. It has to do with Joe Simpson. On the broadcast tonight, he was ripping SI for the article on Francoeur. He said in so many words: SI said Francoeur is on pace for the worst 30 HR & 110 RBI season in history. He didn’t think there was as such thing as a BAD 30 HR, 110 RBI Season.

He failed to admit that while Francoeur is very clutch with his 2 out RBI and all, that he does hurt the team in many ways by swinging at first pitch so much. So he’s sticking up for Francoeur, basically. I don’t have a problem with that - he’s 22! But then later in the game after Chippper’s triple. Andruw swings at the first pitch and dribbles out. Simpson very adamantly says “that was a horrible at bat”.

Now I know Andruw is a vet & Francoeur is 22 - but does it matter what your age is if your at bats on average are “hurting” the team? It’s not that I disagree that Andruw’s at bat was horrible - all he had to do was hit a fly ball, you’ve got to be able to do that as a cleanup hitter! But if Andruw’s was horrible, then MOST of Francoeur’s at bats are horrible

Sorry to ramble - that’s my style!

By Adam

July 9, 2006 02:08 AM | Link to this

DOB - I live in Madison, where the Onion started; love the plug. Anyway, this was in the same ‘sports’ section, along with the Pryor piece:

TBS’s Department Of Humor Analysis Fails To Find Humor In Braves Games

June 22, 2006 | Onion Sports

ATLANTA—With the Braves recently sinking into last place in the National League East, the TBS network’s in-house Department Of Humor Analysis is having difficulty figuring out what is “very funny” about Atlanta Braves baseball. “Being the worst team in their division is a little funny, I suppose,” said DHA head analyst John Cleese, who had just finished analyzing several scenes from Dumb And Dumber. “But seeing as how the team combines their dismal won-loss record with a total lack of personality, well, even the famed quantum humorists at our prestigious Department Of Humor Analysis can’t find anything funny about that.” Cleese added that, even if their season continues to go poorly or they find some miraculous way to win, the depression or euphoria that would inevitably follow might be better suited for broadcast on TNT, which claims to “know drama.”

By MBATL

July 9, 2006 02:27 AM | Link to this

T’hawkin’, I just have a different view than the rest of the world, regarding AJ, I guess. No big deal. I just don’t think we should find ourselves paying huge money for him for the next 6 years or so. We’re not gonna solve many problems trading Marcus Giles for Bob Wickman… or whatever.

Hey, I love the Braves and don’t dislike AJ. I won’t bore you with my rationale cause I know you wouldn’t agree. Just tossing my opinion out…no need to get upset.

By Zach Blend

July 9, 2006 02:58 AM | Link to this

I’ve been lucky enough to watch the Braves win 14 straight division titles and have cheered for them whole heartedly every step of the way. Like every one else I was discroureged when they fell on their faces for the most part in late May and through June and found themselves in a place I had never scene them before, last.

I gave up, like every one else and I would check in only when checking up on the Hawks offseason. I felt like I had been lucky enough to see them win 14 straigt season that sooner or later they were bound to have a losing season and maybe even an embarasing season as it was shaping up to be.

The bullpen had collapsed, the offense was only in spirts at best, it was ugly. Then someone spoke up, John Smoltz to be exact. The pitcher who had always been outshadowed by the Maddux’s Glavine’s Millwood’s and Hudson’s. Smoltz, the one who had lived through the franzhize struglling in the late 80’s and then thrive like no other professional team before it in 90’s and into 2000. He saw something in this team, in this organization, in this city that he had scene before. He saw hope and he asked his teamates to see it too and not to give up.

Even Dan O’brien questioned Smoltz when he called out his teamates, telling the city of Atlanta that he would be uneasy speaking to Smoltz after the Braves failed to meet his demand of a 8-2 record over the last ten games before the mid summer classic.

Granted the Braves have only 6-3 to this point. They have created a passion not scene since the early 90’s. Every game is played with meaning, every at bat crucial and every pitch viewed as if Wohlers had Leyritz 1-2.

Braves fan and the city of Atlanta has commonly complained about the fact the Braves create little excitment. Where here it is folks, the chance to carry this team through the next 81 games. John Smoltz believes, believes teamates, believes in his manager and more importantly believes in his city.

Lets not let him down..

By serbok

July 9, 2006 03:48 AM | Link to this

jello to All~ i read the blogs frequently but rarely post~ I’ve seemed to notice~that there hasnt been any chipper bashing going on lately~ just wondering~if its because he’s putting up his usual numbers (when healthy)or is it most of you people like to jump on human beings trying to do their best when they are’nt?

By berigan

July 9, 2006 04:32 AM | Link to this

Here’s the plan. When Frenchy comes up, have the scoreboard say there are 2 outs, and no matter if there are Braves on base or not, have everyone tell him there are runners on 2nd and 3rd.

By ncscoots

July 9, 2006 06:54 AM | Link to this

Tthat truly was as much fun watching a game as I have had in some time…great starting pitching, clutch dramatic hits, and a lockdown ninth. I live for this… On another note, I wonder if a Sosa-to_baltimore trade might be worked. Jorge had some success under Leo, and Leo might just think he can fix the guy again. Bobby has given the guy about as many opportunities as he can, I think, and I doubt he has any confidence in using him in any situation any more.

By paluka

July 9, 2006 07:15 AM | Link to this

DOB: In the original post you mentioned that Brave scouts have been watching Cleveland this week, could it be possible that they were watching someone else such as Rafael Bentencourt? If I not mistaken, I believe I read something earlier in spring training that the Braves were interested in him as well and Cleveland was interested in Langerhans. Could there be any possibility of this type of deal happening? I also remember seeing something about the Braves being interested in Will Ohman from the Cubs. I know he wouldn’t close but he could be a help for the bullpen. What do you think?

By journalist jimmy smith

July 9, 2006 09:47 AM | Link to this

journalist penn, you have done a fine job explaining cheeze whiz. jimmy smith always suspected there was something extra in that jar -it was mustard! now, who would think of mustard in cheese? many journalists will spread mustard from a little squeeze packet on a cheese cracker. the old journalist carries cheese in one pocket and mustard packets in the other. now, jimmy smith is beginning to understand.

By JT

July 9, 2006 10:31 AM | Link to this

STINGRAY FOR CLOSER!!! Ya’ll I know this kid, He is tough as hell mentally, and Physically! He sat the Reds down last night w/ 2 K’s! He is fighting just to stay in the Pro’s! Nobody wants it more than him. Atta Boy Kenny, Keep it up!!

By Sam

July 9, 2006 12:10 PM | Link to this

Yes….I would take a chance on Bob Wickham. But please don’t give up the whole Braves farm system. If the Bravos had Wickham at the start of the season…I think they would be in the playoff hunt plus Smoltz would be 11-5 instead of 6-5.

By Sam

July 9, 2006 12:11 PM | Link to this

Yes….I would take a chance on Bob Wickham. But please don’t give up the whole Braves farm system. If the Bravos had Wickham at the start of the season…I think they would be in the playoff hunt plus Smoltz would be 11-5 instead of 6-5.

By Sam

July 9, 2006 12:14 PM | Link to this

Yes…..I am sorry…Bob Wickham should be Bob Wickman.

By journalist jimmy smith

July 9, 2006 12:34 PM | Link to this

1:05 p.m. start today. someone must wake journalist bob.

By journalist PENN

July 9, 2006 12:35 PM | Link to this

journalist jimmy smith,

journalist PENN gratefully acknowledges the awarding of this prestigious title from such a distinguished gentleman as journalist jimmy smith.

journalist PENN is especially pleased since he can now add this title to his by-line for his weekly political column written for those small town papers in Georgia and Louisiana.

and he is furthermore very happy that ole cheez whiz is again receiving so much favorable attention. all that “moisture” has been a grand profit contributor to Kraft Foods for well over 50 years and to think journalist PENN actually was the first to present that “noble” product to the merchants of southwestern north carolina back in 1952. WOW, and such a grand entree it was.!!!!

and now may the braves put forth a bit more hustle as they try to beat out one more ground ball. who knows, an infield hit may eventually mean the difference between a wild card and no wild card. journalist PENN will be keeping a wary eye on them from his perch in south, florida.

journalist PENN is also pleased that TBS is again bestowing this game today on us living outside the magic circle called “braves territory.” it is so much better than my little 17” computer screen.

have a good day, sir.

By Max

July 9, 2006 12:56 PM | Link to this

guys do u know how going 2 the future games 4 the Braves?

By krath

July 9, 2006 01:00 PM | Link to this

I read again today about the Whitesox-Andruw interest. This one just doesn’t seem to want to go away. This was origonally reported by the Chicago Sun-Times maybe a week or more ago. I think this one just proves that as a GM, you have to be looking waaaay ahead and not just toward tomorrow or even next year.

JS has to think about a number of options and factors here. Will the Braves be able to win without Andruw’s contribution? Would they get a piece or combination of pieces that would benefit the team more than Andruw? If they could not get players who could take up Andruw’s slack, are there others in house who could OR a pitcher who could insure some stability in the pen and close prospects (and free up some payroll) ?

The biggest factor considered about the future is, can Andruw be re-signed AND affordable after next season? If they wait until next season to move him then Druws’ 10-5 kicks in and Andruw can veto trades.

In essence, he could walk after next season and the Braves would get a big fat “0” out of him! (actually a draft pick is all)

Any thoughts….especially from DOB if he drops in.

By David O'Brien

July 9, 2006 01:18 PM | Link to this

Krath, did you see the play Andruw just made at the warning tracK? That’s why you absolutely don’t trade him until you have to, until you’re convinced you can’t re-sign him.

He’s a relative bargain at $13.5 mill, a nine-time gold glover who’s going to hit 40-50 homers again and drive in 120-130 runs.

While he will have 10-5 veto powers next year, Andruw isn’t the type who’s going to veto a trade to a contending team if the Braves don’t want him to stick around, and ONLY CONTENDING TEAMS with a LOT OF MONEY are going to be interested in trading for him anyway, I’d bet.

So why not hold onto him at least rest of season _ trading him now tells your fans you’re not serious about making a run at wild card in second half, because no way you’re going to get back as much as you’d lose for immediate future.

You work the angles this winter and/or next season, find the deal that works best to fill needs after you see what you must replace this winter. Meantime, you talk to Andruw and see if any realistic chance of keeping him, because even though Scott Boras is his agent, I know Andruw wants to stay in Atlanta and would take at least a bit less to do so, given that his home’s here (and his fleet of sports cars won’t travel well _ just kidding … sort of).

What’s over/under for J.T. runs allowed today? And quarts of perspiration?

By Max

July 9, 2006 01:28 PM | Link to this

He’ll re-sign with us you’ll see.He loves Atlanta

By David O'Brien

July 9, 2006 01:35 PM | Link to this

And by the way, I’m not dismissing the rumor on Andruw. Just telling you what I think about it.

Anything can happen _ except Chipper moving to 1B or LF this year or Smoltz moving to closer _ but I just don’t get a sense that Andruw will be traded unless the Braves get a young stud player and at least a couple of top prospects in return. A bat who could contribute right away (they could move Francoeur or Langerhans to CF) and at least one good pitcher.

If they got all that, yeah, it’s possible it could happen.

By Glass Half Full

July 9, 2006 01:44 PM | Link to this

Me thinks Thorman has finally arrived.

By Glass Half Full

July 9, 2006 01:46 PM | Link to this

Let’s go, boys! Beat up on that guitar-playing hippie pitcher!

By elbravox

July 9, 2006 01:57 PM | Link to this

What is wrong with playing guitar? Just hope he losses this game!

By Glass Half Full

July 9, 2006 02:04 PM | Link to this

Nothing, elbravox. I was just pretending to be a conservative Republican.

By Glass Half Full

July 9, 2006 02:07 PM | Link to this

If Thomson returns to the DL, perhaps Barry win join the rotation. Wasn’t he a starter at Richmond? Sure beats the hell out of calling Cormier up.

By Glass Half Full

July 9, 2006 02:07 PM | Link to this

If Thomson returns to the DL, perhaps Barry will join the rotation. Wasn’t he a starter at Richmond? Sure beats the hell out of calling Cormier up.

By Glass Half Full

July 9, 2006 02:08 PM | Link to this

“will” not “win.” Freudian slip, I guess.

By journalist jimmy smith

July 9, 2006 02:14 PM | Link to this

is it a toe this time? john thomson appeared to be on top of his game today until a mysterious injury occurred. what is the nature of this injury and is it related to the reports during the spring of toe mis-alignment? it may be that the toe alignment appliance was damaged or altered while laying down the bunt. in any case, the man has no trade value whatsoever. toes, soreness, blisters. these will add up to deny us a trade for another player. now, journalist penn … penn is a true journalist much like jimmy smith and dob - only a different beat. with scribe, journalist bob, honorary journalist hk, and the old journalist posting anonymously - there are many, many, journalists now on this blog. did jimmy smith miss a journalist? go braves!

By Glass Half Full

July 9, 2006 02:18 PM | Link to this

Villareal is a total mystery. He comes in early in the game and is “lights out.” Bring him in late in a close game, it’s “lights out” in another fashion. WTF?

By journalist jimmy smith

July 9, 2006 02:21 PM | Link to this

john thomson reminds journalist jimmy smith …

“Got a beat-up glove, a homemade bat, and brand-new pair of shoes; You know I think it’s time to give this game a ride. Just to hit the ball and touch ‘em all - a moment in the sun; (pop) It’s gone and you can tell that one goodbye!”

“Oh, take me out, Coach - I can’t play today; Take me out, Coach - I can’t play today; Look at me, I can be on the DL.”

By Max

July 9, 2006 02:21 PM | Link to this

Let’s hope the Muts lose today!!!

By Glass Half Full

July 9, 2006 02:24 PM | Link to this

The marlins are ahead of us in the wildcard race by a .5 game. We should root FOR the Mets.

By Glass Half Full

July 9, 2006 02:27 PM | Link to this

Also, root against the Astros, Brewers, Phillies, Rockies, and D-Backs. We’ve picked up about 4 games in the WC race in the past week! That’s where it’s at, not the damn division.

By Max

July 9, 2006 02:29 PM | Link to this

The Heck with that i’m going for the whole thing.We have not conceded the divison yet.

By Max

July 9, 2006 02:32 PM | Link to this

forgive me for being optamistic i believe!!!

By Glass Half Full

July 9, 2006 02:32 PM | Link to this

I’m telling ya, the best way to put pressure on the Mets is to keep moving up in the WC race. We get there, then wait for the Mets to start stumblin’ and bumblin’ in late August and September.

By Glass Half Full

July 9, 2006 02:35 PM | Link to this

Even if the Mets win the division, I’m willing to bet it will be closer than anyone thinks…less than 5 games.

By Max

July 9, 2006 02:36 PM | Link to this

Nice pickoff!!!

By Glass Half Full

July 9, 2006 02:41 PM | Link to this

Take that Sports Illustrated!…Hey, check out Thorman.

By Max

July 9, 2006 02:42 PM | Link to this

We are playing good baseball.It’s clicking again!!!!

By Max

July 9, 2006 02:44 PM | Link to this

LETS go BRAVES!!!!!LET’S GO BRAVES!!!!! YEA

By MBATL

July 9, 2006 02:49 PM | Link to this

Can we postpone the Allstar charade for a couple of weeks?

I bet Florida will fade bigtime. They’ve done a nice job, but just don’t have the ML talent or experience to win more than 75-80 games or so, I don’t think. Same probably with the Reds, D’backs, Rockies, Nats. So the standings might say we need to jump a bunch of teams, but if we play well it’ll be just a couple that we’ll need to worry about (if we don’t play well, doesn’t matter).

By Max

July 9, 2006 02:52 PM | Link to this

3-2 Mets 6th inning

By Glass Half Full

July 9, 2006 02:53 PM | Link to this

If the Cards start winning again, the rest of the Central Division will collapse…especially the Reds and Brewers.

By Glass Half Full

July 9, 2006 02:55 PM | Link to this

I love it! Scuffle in the Marlins dugout.

By Max

July 9, 2006 02:56 PM | Link to this

Right florida doesn’t scare me nor does philadelphia

By Glass Half Full

July 9, 2006 02:59 PM | Link to this

The Phillies are really a team who need to rebuild. Talk about a firesale. Keep Howard, Utley, Rollins, and Rowand and that’s about it.

By Glass Half Full

July 9, 2006 03:01 PM | Link to this

Of course there are only a few good things to come out of Philly: Ben Franklin, the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and Rocky Balboa.

By MBATL

July 9, 2006 03:02 PM | Link to this

I think Houston and maybe the #2 out of the West will be the only real competition for the wildcard. But I agree with Max too; if we get hot, I’m not ready to concede the division just yet. Why should we?

By MBATL

July 9, 2006 03:03 PM | Link to this

and cheesesteak sandwiches made with real cheese.

By Max

July 9, 2006 03:04 PM | Link to this

I like Yates he’s a pretty talented guy

By Glass Half Full

July 9, 2006 03:04 PM | Link to this

I guess I’ll drink the kool-aid. After all, the glass is half full.

By Max

July 9, 2006 03:07 PM | Link to this

After all we are the defending champions

By Glass Half Full

July 9, 2006 03:08 PM | Link to this

I think the Astros deliberately suck the 1st half so Joe Morgan can talk about the “great run” they’re on “down the stretch.”

By Max

July 9, 2006 03:09 PM | Link to this

Let’s go mcbride!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By Max

July 9, 2006 03:11 PM | Link to this

YEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By Glass Half Full

July 9, 2006 03:11 PM | Link to this

What was Griffey swinging at? Oh, I forgot. The fences.

By Glass Half Full

July 9, 2006 03:16 PM | Link to this

I wonder if JS will be “working the phones” during the break.

By Max

July 9, 2006 03:16 PM | Link to this

5-3 Florida!!

By Max

July 9, 2006 03:26 PM | Link to this

Hell yea he’ll be working the phones.I’m sure he’s come to agreements with other GM’s and he’s just waiting for their final word.Watching this team for as long as i have has me always optamistic.I am truely in love with THE ATLANTA BRAVES.You hear people say love is blind well i must be blind as a bat

By Glass Half Full

July 9, 2006 03:34 PM | Link to this

Thorman needs a triple for the cycle.

By Glass Half Full

July 9, 2006 03:36 PM | Link to this

If this keeps up, the 2nd half should be alotta fun.

By Max

July 9, 2006 03:38 PM | Link to this

let’s see if he get’s a shot at it!!

By hk

July 9, 2006 03:41 PM | Link to this

… 10 days ago, the Braves were 12th in the league in batting average (.260) … they just this minute moved into 3rd place, ahead of Colorado (.2684 vs .2682) !!!

By Max

July 9, 2006 03:42 PM | Link to this

Rumor has it Jason schmidt is up 4 grabs.He’ll be a freeagent in the offseason.I hope we begin the 2nd half with a closer.Wickman or Cordero it doesn’t matter

By Max

July 9, 2006 03:50 PM | Link to this

i don’t think offense is the problem.reitsma and sosa have been the problem.just imagine if Hampton and kelly johnson were the ones that were healthy and that reitsma and sosa were hurt we would have been neck and neck with the MUTS

By Glass Half Full

July 9, 2006 03:51 PM | Link to this

Schmidt is out of our price range now or in the offseason.

By Max

July 9, 2006 03:55 PM | Link to this

So was Rentaria and JS had Boston pay part of it.

By Glass Half Full

July 9, 2006 03:56 PM | Link to this

Cordero would be great, but the Nats would have to be crazy on drugs to get rid of him. He’s young and cheap…just what the Nats want along with retiring that a-hole Frank Robinson. As long as he manages the game like its the 1960s and based on “insticts” alone, that club will never win.

By Max

July 9, 2006 03:57 PM | Link to this

plus we have about 6million to play with

By Max

July 9, 2006 03:59 PM | Link to this

Dame the Muts won 6-7

By krath

July 9, 2006 04:01 PM | Link to this

Thanks DOB for your thoughts on my question. I asked for your opinion and you gave it.

I agree with you in that I don’t think it’s likely Andruw will be moved this year. I would not, however be shocked if it did happen.

The White Sox are committed to win it again and Ken Williams has proven that he isn’t afraid to make the moves he thinks will help his club win. I also can’t help but think that JS may feel that he has watched too many players walk away from the team without receiving anything in return. When you look at the last few years, what free agents have the Braves retained that were in demand? (exception being Smoltz) Seems like there will always be some high payroll organizations who will “over pay” and make it hard for the Braves to retain a superstar.

Should be an interesting three weeks once the trade flood gates open in MLB.

By Max

July 9, 2006 04:01 PM | Link to this

Francisco Cordero Texas

By Glass Half Full

July 9, 2006 04:03 PM | Link to this

a Cub victory over the Brewers would help us in the WC race…they’re winning late.

By Glass Half Full

July 9, 2006 04:04 PM | Link to this

oh, I was thinking of Chad.

By Max

July 9, 2006 04:05 PM | Link to this

Guys the Futures game is on ESPN2

By Glass Half Full

July 9, 2006 04:08 PM | Link to this

Yunel Escobar is one of our guys

By brewdawg

July 9, 2006 04:09 PM | Link to this

Man, it’s that kind of performance by Sosa that makes his struggles more perplexing. The Reds had no chance in the ninth today. Granted it was a 5 run lead but I’m just saying. Good to get a win today heading into the all-star break.

By Max

July 9, 2006 04:12 PM | Link to this

slick fielding shortstop.i went threw 20 boxes of baseballcards before i got his.

By Max

July 9, 2006 04:15 PM | Link to this

When he spots his pitches he’s as good as anyone but they are too far inbetween.

By Head Coach

July 9, 2006 04:39 PM | Link to this

I’m freaking out , My Bravos just took 3 out 4 games and I cant believe it. I still give them about a snowball’s chance in hell of making the playoffs and they need help from Schuerholz. He has to put something together in a trade to help this team. Thomson cant stay healthy enough to be traded , If Andruw is traded I’ll eat my socks . I just dont think it can happen. Andruw is worth 3 or 4 prospects all by himself , which is why nobody will give up that much. McCann , Francoeur , Thorman , Ramirez , Davies , Devine ,Betemit , Langerhans , McBride , James ,Stockman and I havent even mentioned all the prospects in the minors , This franchise has a great future ahead of it as long as they keep developing players and keeping them in a Braves uniform.

By krath

July 9, 2006 04:40 PM | Link to this

That’s why I think Sosa can be a “real” pitcher if the stars were to line up. The trick is finding some astrologer (or pitching coach) who can get thru to him. That is IF anyone can get thru to him.

By The Grinch

July 9, 2006 04:45 PM | Link to this

Way to go into the break on a good note. The Braves deserve pie!

By Max

July 9, 2006 04:51 PM | Link to this

Listen Head Coach your thinking to much!.Stop because you don’t know what is really going on behind close door meetings.If we need someone all you could figure is that something will happen.everything else is speculation

By journalist PENN

July 9, 2006 04:53 PM | Link to this

just reporting in on another game of some interest to braves vans. I’ve been watching the marlins/muts game, switching back and forth with the braves. that marlins dugout ruckus was because Cabrera missed a ground ball and it dribbled into foul territory. he CASUALLY strolled down to get it while all the runners took another base.

pitcher scott olsen had a choice word or two for Cabrera once they were back in the dugout and cabrera took a swing at him.

cabrera is a very talented young man but he is a walking ATTITUDE. the braves don’t want him anywhere near atlanta. somebody would get hurt within 30 days. Garradi had a few words with cabrera but i didn’t see him say anything to olsen.

By Max

July 9, 2006 04:57 PM | Link to this

Thanx for the info i was interested in knowing what happened over there

By Bob, journalist

July 9, 2006 05:00 PM | Link to this

No one woke me up Jimmy! Sounds like I missed what may have been our best!

Cheez Whiz, the honorable journalist Penn does have a way with words!

By Steve

July 9, 2006 05:07 PM | Link to this

Is Derrick Turnbow available? W/Milwaukee effectively out of it, I think that he is the best bullpen arm that may (or may not) be available.

By Max

July 9, 2006 05:14 PM | Link to this

what do you mean they are out of it?they are about 2 games out of the wildcard steve

By journalist PENN

July 9, 2006 05:48 PM | Link to this

TO Bob, journalist

You did miss a fun game, a relaxing game. even Sosa can throw strikes with an 8-3 lead. oops, forgot about him blowing that 7-2 lead the other day. I told my wife, “if he walks one batter and Bobby doesn’t pull him immediately then Bobby ought to be ridden out of town on a rail.”

then he got 3 up and 3 down. that is terrible for now they will keep him around for another few weeks.

does anyone know how to get the word to giles to watch some film of himself and then to look for all those times he misses when he swings with that uppercut and all the times he makes contact when he swings with a level swing?

just watch mccann. his bat is always square with the flight of the ball. that young man is headed for real stardom. if he doesn’t get hurt bad he could go down as the braves best catcher ever and one of the top catchers of ALL TIME. i hope his ankle gets better so he can run a little. hope it’s not his toe.

By Joe Stanislau

July 9, 2006 06:13 PM | Link to this

If Atlanta trades Jorge Sosa, and John Thomson with a few prospects, they can get Joel Zumaya from the Tigers to be setup man, and trade Thomson to get Bob Wickman for some cash as well if we trade Marcus Giles for a few prospects in return with the money. If Liberty Media gives the Braves a bigger payroll then we can buy the people on John Schuerholz’s what do we need list and get a leadoff hitter as well as fixing up the bullpen.

By ipfreely

July 9, 2006 06:16 PM | Link to this

DOB made a previous statement about Scott Williamson,I think it is a good idea to trade for him and make him the closer,he was a closer a few yrs ago and saved over 20 games,sometimes a change of scenery is what it takes,i feel Williamson would be better choice than Wickman,also i am still a strong advocate that we need to trade Salty and a prospect for Dontrelle Willis,he is cheap and can help us in the long run.smoltz will probably only be around next year and will most likely retire after that so willis can be insurance for future,think of a rotation of willis,james,davies,ramirez,hudson/hampton,one of them will most likely be gone in a couple years so lets plan long term with willis.or we could even trade hudson and pick up something descent for him.the starting four of willis,ramirez,davies,james will be big 2 yrs from now.so lets make willis a part of this team this year so we can plan for the future,we have to get the jump on the muts and yankees,because if the muts get willis we are in trouble,they will have a stonger pitching staff.we don’t need Salty,we got other catchers who can back up McCann,i say keep Pena as his back up and don’t trade him for Wickman,Williamson or Borowski as our closer makes more sense

By 2 homo boys

July 9, 2006 06:23 PM | Link to this

Cox needs to stop letting John Thomson start,move him to the long man spot in the pen and move Barry to the rotation for the second half or for the rest of the season if Davies doesn’t come back,this Barry kid is gonna be something else,he needs a chance. Hooray for the Homo’s.We Love guys.Guys are great lovers better than women anyday. come on cox give the ball to Barry and take it away from Thomson.Lets hear it for Barry.he is a great kid.

By Dirty Dawg

July 9, 2006 08:02 PM | Link to this

I’m still wondering why more hasn’t been said about San Diego’s Linebrink…his ERA is below 3 and with Hell’s Bell’s healthy, they’ll not likely be using him as a closer.

By Tomahawkin

July 9, 2006 08:40 PM | Link to this

MBATL NO WORRIES, I just got a little fired up, Many Braves Fans take 4 granted that Andruw saves at least a run per game with his D, As frustrating as Andruw can be at times when he’s in a funk, added to his stubbornness, can make fans simply say he’s overpaid, But at least he doesn’t have a contract like his counterpart in New York

Man this team is finally on a roll, ESPN I Hope you’re watching, You Turds better not count us out yet, We’re 2 trades away from becoming a playoff caliber team GO BRAVES!

Is Anyone going to Watch The Derby Tomorrow???

I think People pay to see guys like Griffey Jr, Frank Thomas, Adam Dunn, Manny , and Big Papi, No These Jubronis like Miguel Cabrera, and David Wright, Those guys can rake but they to hit the Tape Measure Shots like the Big Boys Used too….

By Tomahawkin

July 9, 2006 08:45 PM | Link to this

Does Anyone Know, If Hampton can ReStructure his contract, giving the circumstances that Colorado and Florida agreed to pay a cetrain percentage of it til this year, It seems there are a lot of loopholes in his contract, that will not let John S. or Hampton rework his contract, because simply put, He ain’t worth 13some-odd million per year…

By Tomahawkin

July 9, 2006 08:48 PM | Link to this

Steve, I don’t think we should do anymore trades with Milwaukee…I think we are still scarred from the last one…

By David O'Brien

July 9, 2006 08:51 PM | Link to this

Turnbow just signed a multi-year deal before season, buying out arbitration years and a year or two of free agency. No way Milwaukee’s trading him.

Glass Half Full, there was one glaring omission from your list of the only good things to come out of Philly: Wilt Chamberlain. How could you forget Wilt? Come on, man. Rock Chalk, Jayhawk!

The Derby? The Home Run Derby? Possibly the worst three hours of so-called sports TV. Berman can’t possibly be any worse than he is during those excruciating, mind-numbing hours…. I’ll probably watch it, though. Until someone shoots me. Please, someone, I’ll give you my address.

By Tomahawkin

July 9, 2006 09:00 PM | Link to this

Berman Is no worse than Joe Buck and Tim McCarver….

I’d rather them rotate the rotations, like putting The Hawk and D.J. (Ken Harrelson and Darrin Jackson)on one year Our Crew the next and so-on but It don’t work like that

The Derby used to rule, now Dud Selig has made it more of an exhibition

By Calvin

July 9, 2006 09:03 PM | Link to this

Ok. This is a possible statement for next year. What about bringing in EricGagne for a looksy? Word is that the Dodgers are getting tired of his inability to stay healthy and might dump him this coming offseason. If he can get healthy, Gagne is a dominant closer. I know that is probably not gonna happen but at least it is something to think about right?

By Tomahawkin

July 9, 2006 09:08 PM | Link to this

Cal…I was hoping that Kerry Wood would be healthy, instad of being out 4 the season. We could’ve get him 4 cheap, and make him our SHOWSTOPPA (closer), but the only thing about that is that WhineBrenner and the Yanks would be in his ear as well

By old timer

July 9, 2006 09:12 PM | Link to this

Let’s keep McBride; he’s gonna be another Ken Dayley. We must get some bullpen help, though, to have any chance at all, and to keep everyone from going insane. When Francouer hit the two-run shot to give Smoltz the lead, you couldn’t help but think the pen would give it back. Even with an average bullpen, you always feel good with any lead late in the game. Not now, though, and it makes it hard to watch games.

By Calvin

July 9, 2006 09:15 PM | Link to this

I don’t know about Wood. He is hurt more than Brian Jordan and Juan Gonzalez(yes a low blow I know.) Wood has a partial torn rotator cuff and that could lead to having surgery that takes a year to rebound from it. I would much rather have Mark Prior but I don’t see the Cubs getting rid of him.

By journalist PENN

July 9, 2006 09:21 PM | Link to this

journalist PENN loves these “easy” trades you guys come up with.

why would florida trade dontrelle willis for a couple of people atlanta want to dump? do you think the marlins management are not aware of his value to them or to any team for that matter?

after today they might trade Cabrera for some really top flight prospects but what team wants to give up top young talent to get a head job from the marlins? that guy is a nut and has been forever. this is not new nor is it an incident. IT IS A SITUATION with cabrera.

willis is a terrific kid, full of good cheer and plays his heart out. any team that can wrest him away from the marlins will get a fine player, not only a good pitcher but an all round athlete and a team player. cabrera only plays for cabrera. but you aren’t going to get willis for cheap, you can count on that. miami is in the building stage and they will try to keep as many top youngsters as possible. and don’t think this recent string of wins is a fluke. the marlins are playing heads up baseball.

nobody is going to want thomson, nobody, for many reasons, the most important is his fragility and there is that salary thing. thomson is dead weight.

By hk

July 9, 2006 09:34 PM | Link to this

… you guys all along have said if the relief pitching would just settle down a little, the hitters would come around …

… well, last 15 games, reliever era 2.09, last 10 games, batting avg .341, by far highest in the league …

By Glass Half Full

July 9, 2006 09:34 PM | Link to this

At least the derby won’t be in that gay WBC format. I’m almost never one of these crazy, right-wing nuts, but seeing other people wave foreign flags during the NATIONAL past-time is infuriating.

By Glass Half Full

July 9, 2006 09:37 PM | Link to this

Regarding the Wild Card: look’s like the good ‘ole days of chasing down teams from the west coast in the 2nd half. “B-E-A-T L-A!…”

By Beachcomber

July 9, 2006 09:40 PM | Link to this

Tomahawkin - Your mention of Harrelson suddenly made Berman seem not so distatsteful, but wasn’t it neat many years ago, when the network guys parked their egos at the door and brought in an announcer for playoff games who actually knew something about the teams involved (I remember Pittsburgh’s Bob Prince, the Red’s guy and few others) they really brought insights into the post season. Made too much sense I guess.

By cmount

July 9, 2006 09:41 PM | Link to this

i remeber 91 when the braves won the division the last day when the dodgers beat the giants 1 believe in the braves they are my hoss if they never run another race go braves

By cmount

July 9, 2006 09:42 PM | Link to this

i remeber 91 when the braves won the division the last day when the dodgers beat the giants 1 believe in the braves they are my hoss if they never run another race go braves

By cmount

July 9, 2006 09:42 PM | Link to this

i remeber 91 when the braves won the division the last day when the dodgers beat the giants 1 believe in the braves they are my hoss if they never run another race go braves

By cmount

July 9, 2006 09:42 PM | Link to this

i remeber 91 when the braves won the division the last day when the dodgers beat the giants 1 believe in the braves they are my hoss if they never run another race go braves

By The Grinch

July 9, 2006 09:45 PM | Link to this

I agree with your sentiments about “easy” trades, freshly appointed journalist Penn; everyone wonders why we don’t “just do this or that” to provide a universal solution to our problems. Well, if the solution was that easy we’d never lose. There are people being paid a lot of money (full-time)to attempt to come up with these “solutions,” and if they haven’t yet, how can we humble fans be so given to critisism of their efforts? We are like little children seeking instant gratification: “I want this.” “We need that.” Of course. That’s why other people in charge of other teams we’re in competition with strive to keep us from getting them. It’s a mighty big (and long)poker game, and our hand is marginal. Trust in luck and dedication, everyone. Or at least have fun!

By Glass Half Full

July 9, 2006 09:46 PM | Link to this

Back to 3rd in the East and 1 game out of 2nd.

By Glass Half Full

July 9, 2006 09:50 PM | Link to this

I do wish one of the other networks could break the Fox monopoly on the MLB post-season…I can tolerate their NFL coverage because 1). McCarver is nowhere to be found and 2). CBS has crappy announcers. It will be interesting to see how NBC handles the Sunday night NFL games this season.

By journalist jimmy smith

July 9, 2006 10:17 PM | Link to this

journalist bob, you must invest in an alarm clock. today, for instance, no one was availble to sound a horn outside your window. you missed seeing john thomson and missed the stiffening of his shoulder that removed him from the game. shades of rafael palmeiro. big john says the shoulder stiffness if a product of the finger blister that shut him down for two weeks. know what? he is fooling no one. it is toes. yes, that’s right -toes. toes affect everything. bad toes can impact a shoulder. bad toes can end a career. toes are not to be trifled with.

By flbravesgirl

July 9, 2006 10:51 PM | Link to this

I think we’d all second that motion, GlassHalfFull. McCarver is atrocious. He doesn’t make the slightest attempt to hide his dislike of the Braves even though the network broadcasters should be impartial. The only one I’ve heard that’s worse is Joe Magrane. I hope none of y’all ever have to endure a Devil Rays’ broadcast (because of regional blackouts). The man’s name should be migraine.

By The Grinch

July 9, 2006 11:41 PM | Link to this

Perhaps my ranting was, indeed, nonsense. It could all be due to toes. Thompson must be in denial. If I’m not mistaken, while TBS announcers were speculating the blister had reared its ugly head again, they seemed surprised that no-one was checking his finger out. Perhaps they (Bobby and the trainers) had previously convined about Thopson’s toes, and the problem had uncomfortably come home to roost. They refused to make it obvious, due to national security. How would the public react, when faced with a toe plague involving their archetypal heroes?

By The Grinch

July 9, 2006 11:47 PM | Link to this

Pardon my spelling; I’m somewhat impaired. Florida Braves girl, your out-of-state support is appreciated. Have little fear; few of us are unlikely to have to deal with the horrors of a Devil Rays broadcast. :-)

By flbravesgirl

July 10, 2006 12:25 AM | Link to this

Thanks, Grinch. I was a Braves fan before the Rays or Marlins existed so the support has been aimed at Atlanta for a while now. Fortunately, since I got MLB Extra Innings, I rarely have to listen to a Rays broadcast. When the Braves were just here I was able to go to all 3 games and didn’t have to fume about TBS being blocked out. Is it just me or do the boys play better when they’re on TBS? :-)

By Tomahawkin

July 10, 2006 12:34 AM | Link to this

Glass Half Full, I totally agree about your comments about the WBC, IT SUCKS, another Dumb a-s-s move by Dud Selig…

Beachcomer, mainly I just want to see another teams perspective on baseball, U know what I’m sayin, I love to hear former players speak about the state of the game, instead of having a love fest (as Joe Buck and Tim McCarver do when the slob all over Derek Jeter’s A-s-s when they are on the air) I can’t stand games on FOX and as a matter of Fact I can’t tolerate games on ESPN, becuz all they do is talk about barroid bonds

I may have gotten off topic, but I don’t care becuz I’m gettin my drink on, and furthermore, Go Braves!!!!

By Tomahawkin

July 10, 2006 12:40 AM | Link to this

aight Yooz Guys I beacme a braves fan when I saw Ron Gant and David Justice go back 2 back against the Stros in 91, and not to mention I went to Pointe South Middle in Riverdale Dawg, And Ugghhh I now live in backwards Benton ville Arkansas, It SUCKS So you guys who still live in the “A” better be thankful… So thats how far I go back

By Bob, journalist

July 10, 2006 12:40 AM | Link to this

Actually, I fell asleep on the couch about an hour before gametime and my “alarm clock” wife muted the TV. Penn gave me the skinny and I listened to the MLB.com replay.

Jimmy, Rafael Palmeiro is an out of work, piece of work … does he have shoulder stiffness too? How does a pitcher get stiffness in his shoulder in the third inning of a July day game in Atlanta?

Shoulder Stiffness … is that the same as anticipating failure?

By Tomahawkin

July 10, 2006 12:44 AM | Link to this

Fla Braves Grl are you in da Tally??? Becuz North Florida is Braves country 4 sho???

By Tomahawkin

July 10, 2006 12:47 AM | Link to this

Aight Yooz guys I’m out, Bout to go to a bar… D.O.B. Nuff Respect 4 ya Holla at me in da morning… I have to meet you sometime, yooz a cool dude…

And 4 da rest of you cats STAY OUT, PEACE…

By flbravesgirl

July 10, 2006 01:16 AM | Link to this

Nope, Tampa Bay-area. I don’t think the blackout area goes into northern Florida. I would imagine that a lot of people up there are Braves fans ‘cause they’re more Southern. Down here in the peninsula most of the people are from somewhere else (usually up North or Mid-West). Some of them seem surprised that I was born here, lol. But we do have a good-sized contingent of Braves fans here.

By The Grinch

July 10, 2006 01:27 AM | Link to this

Tomahawkin, god speed your driving abilities…I, too, am impaired, but I remain at home. Fla. Braves Girl, you are correct in guessing that the Braves play better on TBS. I have no statistics to support this, but I can honestly say every Braves fan (including myself) who’s ever enjoyed a Braves telecast (that I’ve talked to) feels the same. Damn multi-conglomerate corporations for sabotaging our viewing enjoyment. We used to be “America’s team” because our games were broadcast to the masses. WTF? It’s a conspiracy, pure and simple. Enjoy the ones we have left. Bob, I agree once again (not that I’m trying to make a habit of it); Thompson is showing signs of needing a fan donation of feminine hygiene products. Perhaps next game’s Afflac trivia question should be whether he prefers strawberry or vinegar & water?

By Head Coach

July 10, 2006 02:05 AM | Link to this

David O’brien , you are o so right , the homerun derby has got to be the most overblown once a year piece of crap on TV. I wont be watching , I will be watching the all-Star game. Did anybody watch the futures game on ESPN 2 ? . Yunel Escobar played and boy does he look like another stud infielder on the fast track to Atlanta. Don Sutton is right , basing the home field advantage for the World Series on one game is truly unfair. If anything they should base it on interleague play. The league that wins the most games in head to head interleague play should get the home field advantage in the World Series. Does that make more sense to all you bloggers ? Calvin , going after and trying to sign Eric Gagne in the off season is an excellent idea.

By Tomahawkin

July 10, 2006 03:56 AM | Link to this

Oh Grinch, I walk to da bars and get sloppy around here….

Head Coach, The most overblown crap on TV once a year is da super bowl, The game SUCKS, but the only part to watch on that is the commercials, and Don’t forget the Simple Life Crap as well…

Oh yea did anyone watch Dave Chappelle tonight, I thought it was wack, It ain’t nuthin like it used to B, We need some more Charlie Murphy’s True Hollywood Stories…

But about TBS, Since 2002 they have easily became known as Total B.S. (TBS) and WTF Is it with them and showing the same movie every Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, instead of Dem Braves, TBS SUCKS!!! Nuff Said….

By Tomahawkin

July 10, 2006 04:11 AM | Link to this

Can I get a Amen on TBS SUCKS on you morning bloggers, I’m about to go pass out holla atchy’all 2morrow, And D.O.B. HollA BACK… I love your Indirect cyncism on your views of American Media, I feel the same way Dawg….

By Head Coach

July 10, 2006 06:11 AM | Link to this

Amen , TBS sucks cow balls. On second thought maybe I’ll listen to Chris Berman make an idiot out of himself during the Homerun contest , O wait he’s already an Idiot. Ted Turner where the HELL are you ? O’yea raising buffalo in Montana or Wyoming ??? somewhere in hick nowhere I think.

By journalist PENN

July 10, 2006 08:31 AM | Link to this

someone mentioned ted turner. I heard a story about him speaking to the Kiwanis club in thomasville, ga back in the eighties when the braves were losing 2 out of three games every year. he said, “my daddy told me that every dog has his fleas and the braves are my fleas.”

turner owns a plantation near the ga/fla line and used to invite people down for quail and duck hunting. one night he (is reported to have) told his hunt master to wake him in time to get dressed for the hunt.

the next morning the temp was in the thirties and it was raining cats and dogs. the hunt master knocked on turner’s door and was invited in. ted was in bed with a lovely lady. he asked the hunt master, “if you were me and it was raining like hell and cold and miserable and you had the choice of being where i am or out there trying to kill some stupid duck which would you choose?”

the hunt master said, “boss, I’ll tell the guests you are a bit under the weather this morning.”

now this is second hand information mind you, second hand from the hunt master to my brother.

no wonder turner enjoyed his fleas. they play in the good weather.

By dylan

July 10, 2006 08:44 AM | Link to this

My favorite stuff on this blog so far has to be the complaining about Todd Pratt dear God people he is a bakup catcher there is no possible way replacing him makes a big difference in our offensive output but what it could do is affect our rookie catchers performance with the pitchers you dont want 2 rookies trying to play catcher at the major league level at the same time on the same time just not a good idea you need someone with some experience that knows how to deal with pitchers and can show a rookie like Mccann the ropes and teach him the things that you can only learn at the major league level.

By journalist PENN

July 10, 2006 08:56 AM | Link to this

somewhere above journalist Bob mentioned Country Brown as his all time favorite player and the best center fielder he ever saw play.

I want to second every word he wrote about country brown. i too was privileged to watch brown play centerfield for the atlanta crackers from 1948 to 1951. willie mays and andruw brown ran him a close second for covering ground in CF but neither quite reached brown’s abilities in that position.

the reason you never heard of country brown? he had a bad wing. whenever a ball was hit in the general area of center field either the SS or second baseman charged into short CF to take the relay. that wing kept him out of the majors and there were only 16 major league teams back then. today he would be in the all star game.

with a bat country brown had few peers. he could either hit for average and get on base as a first rate lead off man or he could hit for power in the 4th spot. he hit where he was needed each year. he could drag bunts and beat them out in a way that Rafael Furcal would envy.

below is a link to a story about this extraordinary man.

along with those who were lucky enough to see him, he was also my favorite player of all time.

http://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/nge/Article.jsp?id=h-2654

By journalist jimmy smith

July 10, 2006 09:00 AM | Link to this

bobby dews can teach mccann and pena can back him up. problem solved.

By **JOHN B.**

July 10, 2006 09:54 AM | Link to this

I have to admit I thought Pratt was a great signing. But I’ve seen too many mistakes (fielding and hitting) by him this year to think he is a quality back up anymore. Pratt has looked horrible this year and Pena did a fantastic job when he was called up. But I do understand the thought process of keeping Pratt around for McCann. So for that reason only, he deserves a roster spot.

By Rick Roberts

July 10, 2006 10:16 AM | Link to this

Let’s go for Wickman and Betancourt in the same deal. Sosa, Leruw, and one other minor leaguer should do it. Betancourt has great stuff. This deal could do it.

Rick

By Dave

July 10, 2006 10:41 AM | Link to this

Last week, I was absolutely convenced that John Thomson would be traded by 31 July 2006. However, given his latest encounter with injury (stiff shoulder), I have to agree with DOB that we would not get very much for him if the trade is consummated.

There is NOT much out there in terms of relief pitching, so the Braves may have to make due with what its got.

Except for Sosa, what its got is NOT too bad, at least not during this latest homestand. A 7-3 record is a good start towards return to a .500 record, which should be the FIRST goal for the Braves. If they can do that by mid-August, then they MAY have a shot at the wild card.

Just my humble opinion.

By Calvin

July 10, 2006 11:06 AM | Link to this

HeadCoach, I think home field advantage in the playoffs should be determined by who has the highest winning percentage ala NBA and NHL. Having that be decided by a meaningless exhibition game that the players do not care about is nuts. That’s like having the winner of the ProBowl determine where the site of the superbowl be held, in an NFC stadium or AFC stadium.

By Sammy Kershaw

July 10, 2006 11:12 AM | Link to this

DOB The reason the Derby is so excruciating is because of Chris Berman. He is completely washed up and now is reduced to just making noises to try to entertain people. If anyone needs to be shot it is him.

By Eric Webb

July 10, 2006 11:15 AM | Link to this

Renteria is starting in place of Reyes in the ALL-STAR game.

By Jim

July 10, 2006 11:16 AM | Link to this

None of the names mentioned on this blog as possible bullpen help: Wickman, Demptster, Willamson, Borowski is an upgrade on Death Ray. We don’t have prospects to trade. (Don’t mention Salty — he’s below 200 in AA and his trade value must be way below what it was this winter.) Look at the records of the AAA and AA teams. Good closers are in short supply and practically everybody is in contention and not likely to trade away a closer. The Padres are in first place and not likely to trade their setup man. The Twins in the AL Central might be willing to trade Nathan, but it would take at least one of our young starters and probably Matt Harrison as well to get him — and would we be renting him for a year? Nobody is going to give us much for the players we want to dump, and there will be other contenders looking for bullpen help to inflate the price for what’s available.

Let Ray close. Keep the young talent we have and try to add more young talent around it. I don’t think our chances of making the playoffs are good enough that we should jeopardize the future in the effort. But I think it will be fun to try with the team we already have.

By MBATL

July 10, 2006 11:30 AM | Link to this

Until “backbackback Berman” is gonegonegone, I won’t watch the Derby. It could be fun, but thanks to him, it’s NOT. Just annoying.

Personally, I think it would be interesting to see more focus on the Futures game; maybe a couple of minor league allstar games broken out by classification. The concept of the Futures game is good, but why only 7 innings? I’m sure we junkies would enjoy it, but probably wouldn’t play in the ratings game.

By ZB Pike

July 10, 2006 11:43 AM | Link to this

Breaking News! ESPN has asked J. Sosa and C. Reitsma to pitch tonight in the HR Derby!

Should be a rout!

By MBATL

July 10, 2006 11:45 AM | Link to this

Guess I’ve been too down on some of the ‘pen names thrown around (Wickman, Williamson, etc). These guys could probably help us. But I think we need a real closer who can shut guys down. We could probably work our ‘pen out from the 8th back if we had a solid closer.

IF Philly trades Abreu, as is rumored, and wants to dump Gordon, which is also a possibility, they might deal Gordon for an outfielder like Langy or Diaz.

I know he’s 39, but Gordon has been lights-out this year (and just about every year for the last 5); if they’d work with us on the salary a little, would that be worth the risk? He’s got a 3 year deal, so it WOULD be a risk.

By Sammy Kershaw

July 10, 2006 12:47 PM | Link to this

Anyone have a link to a picture of the Chipper Jones Karate Move after sliding into home plate the other night?>???????

By Head Coach

July 10, 2006 02:25 PM | Link to this

Calvin , head to head competition in interleague play with the League who has the best winning percentage or wins the most games is the same thing. Everytime I hear Berman’s back ,back ,back ,back I must stifle the urge to grab my shotgun and go duck hunting as my ears decieve me into hearing : Back , quack , back , quack , back , quack , quack , quack , quack………… lol.

By Eric Webb

July 10, 2006 02:32 PM | Link to this

sammy, just go to the braves website and go to top plays archieve

By Eric Webb

July 10, 2006 02:37 PM | Link to this

http://atlanta.braves.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/multimedia/tparchive.jsp?cid=atl

By berigan

July 10, 2006 02:48 PM | Link to this

Man, I thought some of you were negative because of the Braves record. But bashing Chris Berman, and the TBS broadcasters…..there are many better targets. Ever listen to “Hawk” Harrelson for more than 5 minutes???

By Calvin

July 10, 2006 03:05 PM | Link to this

HeadCoach, I meant who has the highest winning % during the regular season. Meaning whoever has the best w/l record just like the other leagues I mentioned.

By The Grinch

July 10, 2006 03:31 PM | Link to this

Berman is boorish, but amusing. I’d love to hear him do the play-by-play of a porn movie. I’ll spare any youngsters my immitation of such an event. My prediction tonight: the batter with the best toes wins!

By Sammy Kershaw

July 10, 2006 03:49 PM | Link to this

Thanks Eric but that is video. I need the Chipper Karate move as background

By Head Coach

July 10, 2006 03:56 PM | Link to this

Right Calvin , either way works for me. In the words of David O’brien : I couldnt make this up if I tried , the Braves offense has a team total of : 666 strikeouts , no kidding !! Does this mean they are going to play like the devil in the second half ?

By Tomahawkin

July 10, 2006 04:26 PM | Link to this

GBerigan I like listening to the Hawk and DJ…They know their stuff, and they always tell their major league stories…and don’t forget the “You Can Put on The Board, YES!!!” Quote, anyone but Joe Buck and Tim McCarver…or those crappy ESPN commentators, like Jeff Brantley, Gary Thorne, And Rick SUCKcliffe

I also like that cat on the Yankees YES Network that is always saying “SEE YA!” after anyone hits a homerun…

By Bob, journalist

July 10, 2006 04:36 PM | Link to this

Penn, it funny how one’s mind plays tricks … I certainly knew that Ralph was from Summerville but, had I been asked before reading that article, I’m sure I would have said Trion … have no idea why.

Speaking of memories … do you recall Davey Williams coming back to Atlanta during his NY Giant days for rehab at Barfield’s Gym in Little 5 Points … and playing a bit for the Crackers during that time?

It’s a small world … Charlie Vaughan who won the only Major League game he ever started … 1966 Braves … is a distant cousin of mine that I’ve never met. However, my wife knew him well … they were neighbors during her childhood in Brownsville Texas.

By journalist PENN

July 10, 2006 11:06 PM | Link to this

Bob, I don’t remember Davey coming back to Atlanta for rehab but I sure remember him playing. Guess what, the number $75,000 just went through my mind as the price Earl Mann sold him for to the Giants. I’d be willing to place a bet on that number. Isn’t it weird how things like that come back to you? That was a lot of money in those days.

Did I ever ask if you remembered Charlie Glock? He wound up selling appliances for Rich’s. My wife knew him.

By mcihael m beard sr

July 13, 2006 09:49 AM | Link to this

People that are talking about why don’t the Braves go out and get a closer. It is not that easy. Some teams will not deal with you if you had the sucess that they have had. Boston has the same problem in basketball. The question is what they know about a player that I don’t know. I know that the GM is talking with people every day. So your Monday morning GM’s need to be quite and shut the hell up.

Michael