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By Do something JS!

June 15, 2006 01:12 AM | Link to this

Look’s like Bobby doesn’t even have control over the team anymore. What’s worse is that he’ll probobly cut Chipper due to his loyalty for the “veteran” Remlinger. But that’s just Bobby being Bobby!

By Del

June 15, 2006 01:13 AM | Link to this

Isn’t the answer obvious for heavens sake!!!

By Robert

June 15, 2006 01:14 AM | Link to this

He-he. Cant WAIT to read/hear the reaction to THIS (from Chumper, but also from the other players and management)

What NEEDS to happen is a major soul searching team meeting, after which FEMA should be needed to clean up the clubhouse

What WILL happen? Why do I foresee an explosion of discontent, finger-pointing, fracture, blame, and so on, amidst which we’ll see a donkey sitting in the dugout, wiggling his ears, shuffling his hooves, and swatting flies with his tail

By HEAD COACH

June 15, 2006 01:16 AM | Link to this

Unravel you say ? They began to unravel the day they left spring training. The leadoff hitter and closer problem has mushroomed into a cloud of problems so diverse it cant be fixed without first addressing the managing/coaching disaster that is Bobby Cox. He is oblivious to the fact that this team’s horrific struggles as a team are a direct result of his inability to look in the mirror and recognize where it all starts and ends with Braves Baseball.

By Ron Roberts

June 15, 2006 01:27 AM | Link to this

Remmy… the second time around isn’t usually as sweet as the first.

You’re living proof of that. Time to let ya go, bro. If ya like your spot on the team, I certainly hope ya come back tomorrow and smooth over your statements, publicly. If not, I’ll be very disappointed if this organization lets your statement go without you being released.

Folks, the first sign of a clubhouse rift has to be removed like a cancer before it spreads. This is a tight clubhouse, and Remmy’s snarl wasn’t called for. Mike’s done his share of sucking the life out of a potential Braves’ win, as it is, so he’s not untouchable, himself.

Also, can we finally stop hearing all the ken Ray blathering? He’s not the answer at closer. He’s usually good, but not a lock.

Either way, John Schuerholz better do something or we can forget a wild card, too, at this rate.

By Patrick

June 15, 2006 01:27 AM | Link to this

I never thought I would see the Braves go down without a fight. The team isnt playing well, but Cox isnt doing anything to shake up the line-up and the front office isnt making any moves to try to better the roster. Its like we are quitting. I have never wanted to send back my season tickets and get my money back….until now.

A Sad but loyal Braves fan.

By Jonathon

June 15, 2006 01:33 AM | Link to this

Chipper probably hasn’t had his heart in the game all season. It most likely started when he renegotiated his contract and saw the money pocketed instead of improving the club. If I were him I would be discouraged as well. Time Warner is sinking this proud franchise in the ground because they do not care.

By Eric C.

June 15, 2006 01:39 AM | Link to this

I can’t understand placing all of the blame on Bobby Cox. How do you ask a manager who has won for so long to change his style now? Kenny Ray, one of the few bright spots in the bullpen, came in and flat out blew it! And then Andruw couldn’t make contact with the bases loaded…how many times has he NOT come through in the clutch…was anyone surprised when he struck out? No field manager is going to save this sinking ship. It started springing leaks many years ago and it just has too much momentum now. We knew the days would come, but it’s really sad and dispiriting to see it happen this way.

By gotigers72

June 15, 2006 01:51 AM | Link to this

Is JS coming to work anymore? Or is he just calling in sick every day? I go with the latter, because he isn’t doing ANYTHING to improve this woeful club. Guess he’s afraid to let some players go because it will hurt their feelings.

Remlinger’s trying to place the blame on Chipper is a joke. What about Ken Ray? What about Andruw and that pitiful at bat he had with the bases loaded and 1 out, when a fly ball would have won the game? What about Francoeur’s just as bad an at bat after Andruw. I knew a low outside pitch was coming with 2 strikes, shouldn’t he? What about all of the undisciplined at bats during this game? Or the whole year for that matter. I believe in being agressive when hitting, but goodness gracious this is pathetic.

That miserable mess of a bullpen lies either at the feet of JS or Time Warner. I can’t think of a worse team owner than Time Warner. Ted, where are ye when we needs ye? Wake me up if and when we get back to .500. Otherwise I’m outta here for this year. Tonight did it. Unless we run some of those future stars that are in the minor leagues out there. Then I’ll be interested again.

By BirdDawg

June 15, 2006 01:57 AM | Link to this

It’s called the ability to adapt to the situations you are presented with, Eric.

Bobby Cox refuses to adapt. This is why he is a loser in the postseason, because he won’t adapt.

It’s called Survival of the Fittest.

It’s when the cream rises to the top, and those who are truly intelligent shine past the regular idiots of this world.

Bobby Cox is one of those regular idiots. He’s not the GOAT, as many here seem to think he is. He’s the most OVERRATED manager in the history of baseball, especially given his inability to adapt, to change, when change is needed.

By Timo

June 15, 2006 02:05 AM | Link to this

Yeah, that was a tough one… again. And I agree, it has not been worse since 1990. Still I have some faith -believe it or not. Maybe the Braves won’t win the division but they still have a decent shot at the wildcard. Maybe it looks utopic right now but I just can’t help but still hoping. They’ve sort of done it before, they’ll do it again. JS will work his magic. I believe.

By Robert s

June 15, 2006 02:15 AM | Link to this

I DO believe that management, all the way from Bobby Cox on down through the minor league system, are responsible for the gradual demise of this franchise. The MO for the Braves throughout the Cox/Schuerholz years has been simple - pitching, defense, timely hitting (read: wait for the three run homer). Very little thought seems to be placed on plate discipline or sound, fundamental baseball - moving runners over, waiting for a hittable pitch, not swinging at everything, etc. The strikeout totals for this team, particularly in clutch situations, are staggering, and it’s a symptom of not only this year’s model, but past years as well. These guys go up there swinging - and missing - an awful lot.
When the Braves actually had pitching, they could cover for the offensive lack. When they won the World Series in ‘95, they had a collective .251 average. They also had Smoltz, Maddux, and Glavine at the top of their games, too, so they could win a lot of 2-1 and 3-2 games. But in this offensive era, that will get you last place, where the Braves seem to be heading. There has to be a new approach to the offense, and - let’s face it - a possible overhaul of this franchise. Meaning that guys like Chipper, Giles, and LaRoche (if they have any trade value left) and maybe even Renteria could go soon. Perhaps a reevaluation of the way the young hitters are brought up through the farm system is in order, too. There has been such an emphasis on pitching that I believe the offense - and an emphasis on sound, disciplined hitting - has taken a back seat. These guys go up there hacking, and it was a problem long before Francoeur came to Atlanta. Remember Ryan Klesko, anyone??

By Robert

June 15, 2006 02:18 AM | Link to this

Ron Roberts, what a brilliant idea it would be to cut anybody who dares to speak up on the fact there might be a problem or two.

This team has always done exactly what you suggest, and in consequence, when it’s time to roll over and die, they do it nice and polite and quiet every year

No, this team NEEDS this. As much as it would hurt this season (how much really, whats the big deal if you finish third or fifth?) a good old fashioned gasoline fire might be just what this FRANCHISE needs

And we need to stop thinking

A. That someone is going to give us value for our garbage B. That anyone is untouchable.

For better or worse, the old era is over. The Braves will be good again some day, but it will definately be without Smoltz or Chumper - so they are absolutely tradeable

Chumper dogged it on that play - could he have caught it - well, he shoulda at least tried. KUDOS to Remlinger for calling him out (Hey Mike, wanna interview to replace Booby?)

By Robert

June 15, 2006 02:19 AM | Link to this

To Patrick who never thought he’d see the Braves go down without a fight.

You obviously dont watch baseball in October

By baseball

June 15, 2006 02:27 AM | Link to this

All teams go thru this at some time, How long did we think the streak was going to last? but I never thought they would play this bad, with the players on this team, and their potential. The bullpen stinks, now the players are making tooo many mental mistakes, poor judgements, and toooo many strike-outs. I hope they can do some soul searching, and play like the past years, and try to focus on taking it one step at a time.

By The Grinch

June 15, 2006 02:27 AM | Link to this

Jeebus, what a mess. Well. Anyone care to take a shot at Mike Vick? Might as well.

By bubba1000

June 15, 2006 02:28 AM | Link to this

All teams go thru this at some time, How long did we think the streak was going to last? but I never thought they would play this bad, with the players on this team, and their potential. The bullpen stinks, now the players are making tooo many mental mistakes, poor judgements, and toooo many strike-outs. I hope they can do some soul searching, and play like the past years, and try to focus on taking it one step at a time.

By Jimbo

June 15, 2006 02:46 AM | Link to this

Wasn’t that two great at bats in the 9th by Phat Boy (Mr. Clutch) and Frenchy the Clown? When are Fatso and Chippy going to start carrying the team?

By Jeff

June 15, 2006 02:47 AM | Link to this

Turn out the lights….. Bring up the rookies and unload these millionaire bad news bears!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By Jimbo

June 15, 2006 02:47 AM | Link to this

I will bet any amount that if you gave the regular position players a wonderlic that 6 of the 8 would score less then Vince Young.

By Jimbo

June 15, 2006 02:49 AM | Link to this

I’m with you Jeff…this is a sorry excuse for a baseball team.

By Chop Chop

June 15, 2006 03:01 AM | Link to this

Robert,

I’m with you on this. I think it’s a good thing for Remlinger to call Chipper (no need to call him “Chumper”…it adds an element of idiocy to your posts) to account. I was even chanting “Larry, Larry!” along with the two or three drunk Marlins fans who showed up (paid attendance was 40). (It’s humorous, folks.) I’m not saying that anything will get any better because of Remlinger’s unforgivable sin of criticizing Chipper Jones, but judging from the replays I saw, Chipper should’ve caught the ball. Not a great throw by Remlinger, but he didn’t throw the ball five feet over Chipper’s head or anything. Maybe the runner bearing down on him had an effect, because Abercrombie was very close to beating that throw if it had been caught. Either way, a team that is in desperate need of a win has to make those plays.

Many Braves contributed to the loss tonight. Ray was the foremost “goat” (other goats include any hitter that came up with runners in scoring position late in the game (especially Renteria and his poor sacrifice attempt), Villarreal, and Remlinger), but you can throw some blame in there for Bobby. Kenny Ray is not Mariano Rivera and should not be used as such. Bobby Cox is a desperate man right now. That’s why he is managing so poorly. In the last fourteen years, the only desperation shown by him has been in the postseason. Unfortunately, we’re now seeing that same desperation less than halfway into this season.

By Jay

June 15, 2006 03:37 AM | Link to this

1. Why was Remlinger brought in to face a lefty? Havent we learned how poorly he does against lefties?

2. Before Remlinger starts pointing fingers (if I remember correctly he also got into it with Mazzone) he should ask himself…who has helped the Braves more, this season and over their careers?

3. This team’s unraveling has been steady. From all the strikeouts, to the bullpen, to trading thompson then keeping him, to Rheeksma, to Cockroche taking a nap, to Sosa pitching like a former Devil Ray. Its more of a free fall now.

By johnny

June 15, 2006 03:48 AM | Link to this

i just realized these forums are pointless and most of you ( and myself ) have no idea what ur talking about. go braves! ill be rooting for a .5oo club by the end of the year

By HEAD COACH

June 15, 2006 03:52 AM | Link to this

yep , yep and yep. Time to unload and rebuild. I’m sure John Schuerholz is running up the phone bill trying to improve this team and someone needs to tell him not to bother and just hang out a team for sale sign outside Turner Field.

By LA Brave

June 15, 2006 03:59 AM | Link to this

Yes, Chipper has leadership issues. No, Chipper has never missed missed the post season. Yes, Chipper has an MVP. No, Chipper should not be playing 3rd on this team Betemit should. Yes, I’ve loved Remlinger in years past. No, Remlinger can’t talk like that about Chipper. Yes, Remlinger should be cut tomorrow!

Can’t have that crap no matter what. No matter what we all think…Chipper is still Chipper and he’s untouchable.

By Robert

June 15, 2006 04:14 AM | Link to this

Chipper IS still Chipper, which means he is a human being and better darn well HUSTLE on every play like every other member of the team

WHY is he untouchable?

And um, a couple of years ago, he might as well have missed the playoffs when he got hurt in his selfish quest to extend his consecutive 100-rbi seasons streak

Oh boy, now THERE was one of the all-time stupid Cox quotes - what was is “I dont see what is wrong with letting him try for it”

Two days later, BANG, and he can barely HOLD a bat much less swing it in the games that truly matter

By LA Brave

June 15, 2006 04:24 AM | Link to this

Robert, Chipper is the face of this franchise which has excelled. I know all the beefs (postseason, etc.) and agree with most of them but to have some journeyman reliever with a sky high era call out an icon, an MVP, a one-name star, a winner to his bones in a passive aggresive manner is unacceptable any way you slice it. Bet on it. Remlinger is gone within a week.

Now, instead of all the bloggers’ smack, it’s time for Chipper to pony up and move to first. It’s not a pipe dream or a hypothetical anymore. There is a better alternative at third now and Chipper is a better solution at first. If they had played that way from the beginning this season would be different. And that is on Chipper. But for Remlinger to pull this stuff on Chipper to the media is his doom. Good riddance.

By Robert

June 15, 2006 04:24 AM | Link to this

You know who/what Chipper Jones is? He is the Dominique Wilkins of baseball

A truly gifted offensive producer who has inarguably put up consistant big-time numbers for an extended period of time

He is also an arrogant and selfish player who has never elevated the team around him,who does not always play hard and all too frequant fundamentals errors, who is far more convinced of his lofty status in the history of the game than anyone else is, and whose HOF offensive credentials are supported by a sum total of ZERO in the way of peripherals

Trust me, if this team really does unravel at the seams in the next week or two, the guy who is supposed to be their leader wont be the one calling for soul searching meetings, he’ll be the first rat looking off the sinking ship

Mark my words

By Robert

June 15, 2006 04:30 AM | Link to this

In a way, Chipper might just be the face of the franchise these past ten years. Big whup. Ten years of coasting, cashing paychecks, chasing 100-rbi streaks. The sooner we flush that, the better

What we need to identify is the PRIDE of the franchise, and that is the one man who not only has been here the longest, but who is also the only Braves who has a truly outsatnding playoff achievement record

That man - the face I associate with any good memories there are of the winning but underachieving Braves, is JOHN SMOLTZ (with Maddux and Glavine flanking him)

By Robert

June 15, 2006 04:33 AM | Link to this

A winner in his bones AND an icon.

Are you

1. Related to Chipper by blood

2. A middle school female in puppy love, or

3. Accessing the internet from a state licensed mental health facility

By LA Brave

June 15, 2006 04:36 AM | Link to this

I’m sure you brag to anyone you know in NY about the Braves’ 14 consecutive titles. I don’t care that much about that crap but it is fun for me in LA to dig on people with that line. That is impossible w/o Chipper. He never carried a team? S’pose you forgot about his MVP year and the run in Sept. againts the Mets. C’mon, man, hate him all you want but this guy has delivered. He’s had some bad post seasons but he’s also had some great ones and this run has been incredible and he deserves as much credit (AND BLAME) as Maddux (soft tosser) and Glavine (soft tosser). He’s Chipper EFFIN Jones, man…c’mon. You, at water cooler at work, say Chipper and anyone walking by knows who you’re talking about…and that goes for me, too, in LOS ANGELES. But, hey, to you Dominique was just another basketball player. Atlanta will get theirs it’s just around the corner…

By Robert

June 15, 2006 04:40 AM | Link to this

Again, the ICON is Smoltz.

Name me another Brave who comes CLOSE to what he has done in terms of GUTS

How much pain and discomfort has that man gone thru, on the mound and in the countless hours of rehab after each surgery

Name me a time Smoltz has dogged it

Hey, I admit, as far as pretty numbers go, Chipper’s stat sheet is up there with most anybody.

As far as being an icon, or a superstar, Chipper couldnt carry Smoltz’s jockstrap

And that doesnt mean Smoltz should be untouchable. Hell, give the old man a gift. His coming from Detroit in exchange for Doyle Alexander helped get the party started. Let’s send him home, with a chance to take the Tigers to the promised land, and with the chance to at the same time give the Braves a cornerstone for the future

By LA Brave

June 15, 2006 04:43 AM | Link to this

Man, I love Smoltz, too…it’s not about him vs. him or us vs. us. If Todd Pratt, a journeyman catcher, sh*t talked Smoltz to the media after a play then he’d be gone too. It’s the same thing.

By LA Brave

June 15, 2006 04:47 AM | Link to this

For the record, I was born and raised in GA (Dale Murphy, Claudell, Pocaroba, Rowland Office, Bob Horner) and moved to LA…and trust me, nationally, Smoltz is unrecognizable and Chipper is unmistakable.

By Robert

June 15, 2006 04:51 AM | Link to this

1. I do NOT brag about the 14 straight. I dont think it’s all that much of an achievment, given the teams they had.

2. I didnt say that Chipper never carried a team. I know he carried the team his MVP year. I said he never elevated the team around him

He is, as you say, Chipper effing Jones. SO? I mean, you’re worship and exaltation of his very name is just the way Chipper thinks we should all feel, but SO?

Chipper has a fat stat sheet. That’s his career. Impressive individual stats.

The 95 Braves wouldve won it all without him. No team since has won one with him.

Dominique Wilkins was NOT just another basketball player. He was extraordinary, in both his individual skills, and in the way his selfishness stunted the growth of the kind of team spirit needed to win rings

Same goes for Chipper. Dude, the way you talk, I’m sure he’d love to meet you. Y’all could pat his back and sing his praises ad nauseum

By Jay

June 15, 2006 04:56 AM | Link to this

“You know who/what Chipper Jones is? He is the Dominique Wilkins of baseball”

An absolutely awful comparison. Chipper has…

1. An MVP
2. A Championship ring
3. Nowhere the flash and style of Nique

Dominique’s Hawks teams were perennial underachievers. Dominique was selfish at times and excelled at only one thing, scoring.

Chipper’s teams consistently make the postseason in a league that takes far less teams into the playoffs then the nba. He provides fantastic protection in the lineup. Look at Giles’ numbers hitting in front of Chip. Look at Sheffield’s 2003 season in front of Chip. Hell, look at Renteria this year. What did Renteria hit last year, and what is Giles hitting this year? Yeah.

And all the younger players look up to him as a leader. Smoltz recognizes him as a leader.

Look, Ive had issues with him in the past…smug, sometimes looks like he doesnt care, ‘99 season was an absolute fluke, average glove and arm, etc. But he has CARRIED this team’s offense for many many years.

By Robert

June 15, 2006 04:56 AM | Link to this

“nationally, Smoltz is unrecognizable and Chipper is unmistakable.”

So WHAT? I bet you that among today’s fans, more would recognize the names Dunn, Soriano, and Gagne than the names Hornsby, Lajoie, and Mathewson. Does that make the frist group the better ballplayers?

Nationally, a significant proportion of the general public is dumb as rocks

By Robert

June 15, 2006 05:01 AM | Link to this

So the young Braves look to Chipper as their leader. Cool, now I know where they get their hustle

By LA Brave

June 15, 2006 05:01 AM | Link to this

Man, you’ve lived in the ATL for the last 15 years. I lived with them from 76-94. Trust me as to what a good thing you have there. Dodgers? Who?

The defintion of an icon is recognizability and star power…not of the pride of a team or a town. Chipper Jones is an icon and that is undeniable. In LA I can walk up to anyone on the street and say ‘Chipper’ and they say ‘Jones’. But that’s an aside…

This was about a journeyman reliever calling out a superstar and nothing else…not Smoltz, not Glavine, not Dominique…and I guarantee you Remlinger is gone by Sunday. That’s all. I dig the conversation and the back and forth because we have the same goal in mind for these basta*ds to win another WS.

By Robert

June 15, 2006 05:03 AM | Link to this

Guys, what does it take to get this thru?

Very good players CARRY teams

Superstars ELEVATE teams

By Robert

June 15, 2006 05:09 AM | Link to this

I agree Remlinger will be gone

I can also agree with your definition of an icon, with the need to add that the Braves need ballplayers much more than they need icons

I think the Braves are done for this year. If they dont think they are done, the move to make is to put Smoltz back in the closer role, because what you do there is to solidly close the biggest wound. I was disappointed with the way Smoltz handled that question recently. I really expected him to take the “whatever for the team” attitude

Anyway, I’ve been in Ga since ‘87 (Atlanta ‘87 to ‘02 and Athens ‘02 to now) I said after 99 that the Braves would never win another WS until BC was outta dodge.

I appreciate the fact that you recognize that I am a fan even tho I am “bashing” some of the Braves.

By erubi

June 15, 2006 05:16 AM | Link to this

I believe a lot of the bad MoJo started when we lost OUR team of Joe. Pete, Don, Skip and Chip for TurnerSouth broadcasts! Besides, what’s better when the “chips” are down than to be entertained by a Skip Caray movie contest! I know, turn down the volume, turn on the radio….but it’s the MoJo thing!!!

By Robert

June 15, 2006 05:22 AM | Link to this

People often say that any Braves fan who criticizes the team is spoiledby all the success.

You know I think the problem is that the PLAYERS have come to take the yearly playoff berth as a veritable birthright, and that because of this they underachieve in the playoffs, because they know that, as Braves, there’s always next year

Well, there isnt always next year. In 1909, the Detroit Tigers lost the World Series for the third consecutive year. Just 22, and tho he had yet to win one, how many rings people must’ve forseen for the young Ty Cobb

He never played another playoff game.

That’s why you should always play in the playoffs with a sense of urgency. The Braves never have. And to me, that is the travesty of the the past 15 seasons

Dont get me wrong. I appreciate the Braves teams I have gotten to see play. I appreciate the greatness of some of the players I got to see play as Braves.

I just can not make such a big deal out of how many opportunites they had, because to me it is such a big deal how little they did with those precious opportunities

By LA Brave

June 15, 2006 05:23 AM | Link to this

I don’t want to start bashing here but I’ve had this argument for many years with many reputable baseball people…but I’ve never like BC as a manager…as a GM or VP he was great. It’s a tough argument to make and he has absolutely surprised me at times through the last decade but my argument was and always has been his style won’t win the big one. “Just win today” doesn’t mean the same thing on June 1st as it does on October 1st. A post season game is not just another game and somewhere in that crevasse of the mentality is where the titles have slipped away…though we had some shots at that title with a couple teams who had no right to be there and that is to his credit. Dare I say, I don’t think more of the same with TP there will solve the problem. Keep the organization in line but mix up the coaches. I’d rather see Hubbard manage than TP.

By Robert

June 15, 2006 05:29 AM | Link to this

To win a World Series. How many players, great and small, that never did, would give up all their other baseball achievments for a ring?

How many would give it all for a CHANCE at a ring?

Late in his career, what do y’all think Cobb would have done to get a ring?

What would Ernie Banks have done to get a ring?

Love him or hate him, and that isnt the point here, how much you Bonds wants a ring?

It’s the Holy frickin Grail if you play baseball. And every chance at it is so precious

Along comes a team and a manager that are blessed like none before in having the foundation and the talent to have shot after shot

And that manager’s attitude - what he teaches - is that the playoffs are just a crapshoot

To me, that is so incredibly philosophically revolting that I can never have anything but utter contempt for the man

By LA Brave

June 15, 2006 05:32 AM | Link to this

He has gotten us there more than anyone else…but I couldn’t agree more with you in that it’s the attitude. When other teams turn it on our philosophy is to ‘play it like any other game’.

By Robert

June 15, 2006 05:38 AM | Link to this

The “it’s just a crapshoot” philosophy is almost like sour grapes, like aw heck it doesnt show anything anyway (‘cuz I cant ever seem to win it)

I mean, even if it IS just a crapshoot,the attitdue should be, how do we rig the dice?

And no, I am not condoning cheating. What I am saying is you take the attitude how do we get this done. And if you as manager know that it’s a crapshoot, you still find some way to instill in your team the belief that they can make it happen, so that they will go out there and lay down and die to earn that ring

By LA Brave

June 15, 2006 05:45 AM | Link to this

No changes are imminent since they’re signed through ‘08 and new ownership is approaching and the strength (read VALUE) of this franchise is BC and JS. The impending subsequent sell will hinge on their presence so they will be here for a while longer with little or no money to spend (though this outfit in Colorado did spend for the Avalanche) so we’re probably a coupla’ more heartaches away from real contention.

By Robert

June 15, 2006 05:47 AM | Link to this

The 1999 World Series is what really got me feeling this way.

The final battle to decide who was the team of the 90’s

Two teams of superstars, but alas, only one team of champions

And here’s some more about icons. That Yankees team had at least 3 icons (Jeter, Clemens, and Strawberry) and a plethora of superstars. 2 of those icons were still present on the ‘02 and ‘03 teams that reminded me so much of the Braves

The championship soul of those teams wasnt Jeter, or Clemens, or Bernie, or Tino - it was a guy who was exponentially more unrecognizable than you say Smoltz is on the other side of the country.

Paul O’Neill

By LA Brave

June 15, 2006 05:51 AM | Link to this

Jason Grimsley? j/k

By Eric C.

June 15, 2006 06:16 AM | Link to this

BirdDawg,

I agree that Cox is slow to make changes… his style is great for the regular season and it is hard to argue with the success. While this same style is partially responsible for his relative lack of success in the post-season, that is a different story. Once again, how can you ask the man to change a style that has worked, at least for the REGULAR season, since 1991.

Let’s face it, the pitching has been average at best, and atrocious more often than not. The offense is strikeout-prone and inconsistent, and the defense is error-prone. Throw in some key injuries and you have a recipe for a last-place finish. In fact tonight’s game really capsulates the season…

1)Thomson has to leave early due to blister 2)Bullpen blows a late lead 3)Offense blows great chances to regain lead 4)Defense throws away game.

The team lacks focus and discipline because players cannot be depended on and the bullpen cannot hold leads…how demoralizing. What kind of morale can this team have given their current poor play. The players must be held accountable.

By DustinH

June 15, 2006 06:27 AM | Link to this

thanks to time warner for giving us a cheap imitation of the real Atlanta Braves. I will never support your products again including AOL!!! please step in liberty and up the payroll more for 2007!!

By Mike from the coast

June 15, 2006 06:47 AM | Link to this

The encouraging thing about the game and this is searching for glimmer of hope here was the performance of Paronto, yes a little shaky, but he didn’t come apart. Tyler Yates pitched great. It was obvious Kenny Ray didn’t have it last night. I would have liked to see the new guy come in last night, he’s been light’s out in the minors. I knwo he arrived late but he was a better choice than what came out of the bullpen. I cringed when I saw Villareal and then Remlinger come in. I don’t care who we have in the minors, bring up some new blood. It worked last year, some fresh faces from somewhere please.

By Charlie K.

June 15, 2006 06:50 AM | Link to this

Bobby, we are told, doesn’t panic. At this stage of the 2006 season, there is no reason to do so. This season is over, in terms of any post season play. No need to panic. 2006 is a done deal. Who’s to blame? Bobby, for being a “players manager”,and not doing anything to address the problems on this team. (GM) John S. has had most of his off season deals go sour (look at the bullpen he put together). Roger M. was brought in because he was a former relief pitcher, and could relate well with the younger pitchers. We’ve seen how well that theory has worked out. T.P. has seen so many strike outs, and so little plate dicipline, I’m surprised he even shows up any more. As far as the players, the biggest share of the blame goes to them. Lousy defense, too many mental errors, littele clutch hitting, streaky starting pitching, and a bullpen that man for man is the joke of MLB. Thre is not a single aspect of the game, that the Braves do well. Not one. Thanks for the run of division titles. Outstanding, but those are past now. I’m just surprised that the quality of this organization could drop off so quickly.

By David

June 15, 2006 07:14 AM | Link to this

This is just what the team deserves. Atlanta has been content with the Braves decreasing their payroll every year, yet they still kept on winning. Well, now the pitiful investment is finally balancing out with the return. If we really want the Braves to become a contender again then it will not be with a payroll the size of most of our real competition’s pitching staff payrolls.

By Gene

June 15, 2006 07:21 AM | Link to this

Remlinger was likely commenting on Chipper’s public criticism of the team—I think it was last Sat. Chipper slammed his teammates after going 0-4 himself. Remlinger was a good pitcher a few years ago, but he is over the hill. Trade Chumper to the Mets for someone who can throw the ball, and play the young guys. Maybe it will be like the 70’s and 80’s soon when you could walk down and sit behind the dugout after the first inning.

By KneeJerk

June 15, 2006 07:30 AM | Link to this

Say what you want about Adam LaRoche, but at least he was there to talk to the media after the game. Where was our “leader”? Why can’t you call out Chipper? For striking out or making a bad throw, I wouldn’t call anyone out. We’re talking lack of effort for a veteran and “team leader”. Someone was on the money above. Mr. Brave is John Smoltz. He’s a stand-up guy, and regardless of the result, you are guaranteed effort from him. Chipper was the Wide Receiver who gets “gator arms” when going over the middle.

By John

June 15, 2006 07:31 AM | Link to this

This season is indicative of the management style that the Braves have had since 1991: defense, Defense, DEFENSE! However, for all the great pitching we’ve had over the years, we have NEVER had a decent offense. As in life, a well rounded/well balanced approach is needed. If we’re crying about a single error that “lost” us the game, then, Man, are we desperate!

By Peter

June 15, 2006 07:33 AM | Link to this

I did not see the game, whose fault was it? Chipper or Remlinger? Bobby should not have put Ray in in the 8th, wait until the 9th. This team is falling apart and I said the other day they would make the playoffs,but in Jim Mora’s words PLAYOFFS, don’t talk to me about Playoffs, they will be lucky not to lose 100 games and if they do make the playoffs I will eat shards of broken glass, wathcing them this year is like having shards of glass dug in my heart.

By You dont say

June 15, 2006 07:36 AM | Link to this

Murphy walked off the field in 1992 and the braves started to win in 1993. Maybe its time that Chipper walked off the field so the braves can start to win again.

Chipper has an attitude and he is a very poor sport. I know this to be a fact. He is probably running around the clubhouse blaming everyone but himself. Chipper is no mr clutch anymore and his defense at 3rd has gotten way bad.

Time for new blood and the old vets, Chipper, Jordan, Pratt, Remlinger to take a walk on the retired side. Its over this year but we can build for the future.

Put a call in for the rookies now and bring back some excitement to the team before its to late.

Lets put Thorman on 1st, Pena at sub-catcher, Betemit at 3rd, move Giles to the 2 spot and put Renteria as leadoff. Lets move up Jurries and let him play some outfield with Diaz. Move Langerhans and LaRoche off the roster. Its time that the braves start to hit and get rid of the dead wooded hitters. The braves cant take this anymore.

James needs to be starting and Sosa and Lerew need to find a seat in the pen.

I want to be Manager of this team. I might not win games but I sure as heck would make it exciting. And I certainly would not throw a Remlinger to pitch to a lefty. That one never has worked.

By Stephen Keene

June 15, 2006 07:39 AM | Link to this

I have always said, “You get what you pay for in life”. Time Warner will not put up the money for a quality team. JS can only spend the money he is allowed to. Please, Time Warner, sell the team to someone who really cares. Bargain basement payroll = bargain basement team. How many late losses before we get a closer? And in case anyone hasn’t noticed, Giles is not a leadoff hitter. LaRoche can’t hit, period. He will hit enough solo homeruns to stay in the lineup, but put men on base in the late innings, and watch a ground out to the right side of the infield. Bottom line, until ownership spends a little money, we can’t expect any better.

By Chris

June 15, 2006 07:43 AM | Link to this

Hey Stephen, LaRoche is second on the team in RBIs…

By ELH

June 15, 2006 07:44 AM | Link to this

It semms like JS, Cox and the team have given up. This looks like Braves baseball when they were losing 100 games a season.

By Kevin

June 15, 2006 07:48 AM | Link to this

Well lets see this all started when cox tryed to manage team…and well now he can not now should be fired at all-star break to shake team Up…also giles need be gone n laroach n Jorden for people who play trade chipless Jones to some team for a good steady 3rd basemen….They look n act like the 1975 braves who were bad n awful n drew 554,501 fans!

By Marvin

June 15, 2006 07:58 AM | Link to this

The Braves problems goes all the way back to ownership. The corporate giant AOL/Time Warner could care less about a Braves winner. All they care about is “TAX BREAKS”. They are not spending any $$$ to better the team. Just like a car if you dont keep up the maintenance it breaks down,,, that is where the team is right now! Come on AOL/Time Warner sell this tean to someone who cares about Atlanta and our Braves!!!

By Jay

June 15, 2006 07:58 AM | Link to this

In 1991 the Braves went from worst to first and now, with the way things are going, they will go from first to worst. The biggest problem, obviously is pitching, but I think it’s deeper than that. There is absolutely no discipline on this team and there performances at the plate and in the field (fundamentals)just proves that everyday.

As far as the line-up is concerned, Bobby Cox needs to shake things up. For starters he needs to switch the one and two hitters around. Giles needs to go back to his customary position in the batting order, and/or Betemit needs to be in the line-up somehow. This is just for starters.

Then Schuerholz needs to make something happen in the bullpen via trade or bringing someone up from the minors. At any rate, just make it appear that you are trying to win.

By hop

June 15, 2006 08:00 AM | Link to this

i cannot believe the complaints about bobby cox. a manager is only as good as his players and the braves have let too many good players go to other teams.

have we all forgot that time/warner ordered JS to cut payroll to a measly 79mm, at one time it was over 120mm.

that is why the braves are losing not enough money to keep maddux, glaven,jd,ruffy and the list goes on and on.

there is an old adage that says “you can’t make chicken salad out of chicken scrap.

this fall should not be surprise to anyone,you can’t give up all stars and expect all of these new guys to come in and do the job.

we need an individual private owner ,not a corporate one but that is what we have. we can all can thank ted turner for selling the braves to time/warner. that is when it began to unravel. after that move,the braves could not even win a playoff game much less go to the world series.

it was cox who made it work but one can only go so far with a noncompetitive payroll and that is what the braves have now!!!!!!!

By tim

June 15, 2006 08:05 AM | Link to this

tough to blame bobby, even though i have maintained that the braves have won one world seriew in spite of him. this horrid excuse for a team lays at the feet of time warner. they don’t care they never have. the sniping and back biting is only going to get worse as the season progess’s and we continue to slide. don’t expect a miracle for the next several years. everything runs in cycles. and until the atlanta braves get a local owner again get ready for the bumbling braves of the 70’s and 80’s. i was a braves fan when rico carty was in left through the bad years to the good times and will continue to be. if your a fan your a fan

By KneeJerk

June 15, 2006 08:08 AM | Link to this

Let’s not forget that a couple of years ago TW cut the scouting staff in half. We don’t have the epth in the minors that we once did.

By alan from Atlanta GA.

June 15, 2006 08:08 AM | Link to this

The slide continues, especially as Time-Warner is getting ready to sell to another corporate entity. This is the last thing the Braves need.
Somewhere, somehow can’t we get another first baseman, LaRoache seems so listless and his batting average shows it. Giles while a very good player, is not a lead off hitter as we see every game. After watching Wes Helms last night I wondered again why was he traded? It seems everytime the Braves get a player with a spark of life they’re gone, eg: Ryan Klesko, Robert Fick and we’re left with the boring, eventually ineffective players. As an afterthought how much does Chipper Jones earn each year, is he worth it?

By mart

June 15, 2006 08:14 AM | Link to this

Has anyone noticed that Bobby has managed for 25 seasons and has 1 championship. That’s what ‘s known as Gene Mauch territory. By the way, except for one regular season series against the Mets seven years ago, C.Jones has never carried the team. I will admit that he’s been a decent complementary player. A.Jones has never carried the team, and neither one has elevated the play of their teammates.

By EddieJ

June 15, 2006 08:14 AM | Link to this

I hope that this vent only represents a few lonely souls without a life. I too lived with the Braves from 73-93 as a season tix holder. Since I have been living in Tampa I appreciate the Braves even more. The vents herein portray the “front-running” town Atlanta is accused of being. Support your team.

By suwaneegeorgia

June 15, 2006 08:15 AM | Link to this

does it really matter whether the ball was catchable or not? there was no reason to be tied with the marlins in the 9th to begin with. consistently giving up 3 run leads is outrageous. this is braves stuff from 1988. bobby either doesn’t know what to do or doesn’t care enough to upset the “veterans”.

By Bradshaw

June 15, 2006 08:16 AM | Link to this

You dont think Glavine or Maddux saw the writing on the wall..??? Two Words Time Warner..!!!!!!!

By craig t

June 15, 2006 08:19 AM | Link to this

cost of a hot dog at turner field -6.00 cost of a washed up 3rd baseman -13 million cost of a pathetic looking team - 80 million cost of last place- priceless

By Eric Dye

June 15, 2006 08:23 AM | Link to this

This BLOG NAUSIATES ME ~ Chipper would have caught it if he could - and for someone to call him CHUMPER needs their A* CHAPPED. These BRAVES have won how many Division Championships? How many IN A ROW? 14! Can you say 14 in a ROW! They are, yes, 12 games out and 6 under .500 but its not even but JUne 15 - plenty of time left and I know that the Braves will be in the thick of things come September- BE A FAN - not a sorry spoiled rotten idiot thats used to winning games - be thankful for what we have had for 14 years.

By ugadawg

June 15, 2006 08:24 AM | Link to this

People, I don’t know why everybody is putting the blame solely on Chipper and Remlinger….the entire team is to blame for these struggles, with the possible exceptions of Renteria and McCann.

Chipper is no longer Mr. Clutch, granted. He’d just as soon take a walk rather than come up with the big hit.

But let’s take a look at the man batting behind him. Pulling down over $12 mil a year, and you strike out with the bases loaded and one out? That’s pitiful, Andruw. Somebody needs to sit both the Jones boys down and tell them to pick it up.

And Smoltz a team guy? No, I don’t think so. He is capable of being either an average starter or a lights-out closer. When he starts, he’s guaranteed to let at least 3 runs go. But which did he choose? The selfish route. He is not the dominating starter he once was. I don’t care if he thinks he would better help the team in the playoffs as a starter….they’re not going to come close at this rate.

This entire team needs to really do some soul-searching.

By craig t

June 15, 2006 08:24 AM | Link to this

to eddie

Why support this crap. This team has no heart, and not much effort. With a 81 million payroll, this is unacceptable. It’s one thing to lose with a small payroll, but we should be better with 80 million to spend, but it’s been spent on vets who are overpaid and can no longer play at a high level. I’ve always been a braves fan and always will but dont ever tell me or any other fans to support this team who needs a heart transplant, from the top mang down to the players

By just4fun

June 15, 2006 08:24 AM | Link to this

Cox needs to go … Cox needs to go … Cox needs to go! Again another “lefty against lefty” when it never works with Remlinger because lefties hit him better than righties! Can Cox READ? Numbers don’t lie! Does he have a memory problem? And why bring his closer in to pitch 2 innings? Cox needs to go … COX NEEDS TO GO NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!

By metsfaninatl

June 15, 2006 08:25 AM | Link to this

I am enjoying this so much while my mets are running away with the division.All i have to say is….Keep it going Braves!

By bjd161

June 15, 2006 08:28 AM | Link to this

FIRST to WORST!! BRAVES LOSE!!!…BRAVES LOOSE!!!…………….BRAVES LOOSE!!!!!!

By craig t

June 15, 2006 08:28 AM | Link to this

Eric,

what do you see on this roster as is now that makes you think they can come back??? This team has mailed it in, and it CANT catch the METS much like the PHILS or possibly even the NATS. One or two trades cant save this team this year, not that JS is going to even do that. This team has no heart, and not much talent

By TeamForSale

June 15, 2006 08:31 AM | Link to this

Not being fairweather here, but we all should resign ourselves to the fact that this season is over. This team is not capable of playing .700 baseball the rest of the way to catch up. I wonder how Liberty Media feels about their potential purchase now? They should get a bargain and look to make a major shakeup next year.

One year of losing followed by a resurgence would reinvigorate the city’s interest and loyalty to the team. We are bored with division championships ending in first round playoff exits anyway. Lose big this year don’t try and tease us with a late run that ends in nothing.

By Robert

June 15, 2006 08:31 AM | Link to this

Cox needed to go after the 96 World Series debacle.

Talking about the inadequacies of this team doesnt mean one has been spoiled by the last 15 seasons.

I talk about this team’s inadequzcies, and I dont think the past 15 seasons amount to much other than being the most miserable legacy of prolonged and consistant underachievment ever in any major sport

Good gooly Miss Molly when you have Maddux Glavine and Smoltz on the staff plus consistantly have three of the best offensive producers in the game, you SHOULD be going to the playoffs every year

We are truly now seeing how good those teams were. Those teams would win a hundred games a year with a donkey who couldnt strategize his way out of a wet paper bag as manager.

By Bradshaw

June 15, 2006 08:32 AM | Link to this

Time Warner is like a giant corporate vampire sucking the life and fire from this team. As a fan I am powerless all I can do is sit back and watch this ship go down. I will never abandon though. Maybe we as fans will get lucky and Blank will somehow end up buying this team. I doubt it though. Keep your head up Chipper, Andrew and Smoltzie you are the guys that need to keep the moral up in the dugout…!!!!

By Bradshaw

June 15, 2006 08:32 AM | Link to this

Time Warner is like a giant corporate vampire sucking the life and fire from this team. As a fan I am powerless all I can do is sit back and watch this ship go down. I will never abandon though. Maybe we as fans will get lucky and Blank will somehow end up buying this team. I doubt it though. Keep your head up Chipper, Andrew and Smoltzie you are the guys that need to keep the moral up in the dugout…!!!!

By Joseph Coffey

June 15, 2006 08:37 AM | Link to this

Chipper is overpaid, most under motivated player Bobby Cox has. Then first base is weakly covered. Whatever…… This season with the Braves reminds me of the movies MAJOR LEAGUES in reverse. The Braves have no vim or vigor other than show up and get a paycheck. It starting to appear that they have no pride either in their playing.

By Stretcheezy

June 15, 2006 08:38 AM | Link to this

Oh there i was, sitting on the balcony with the wife having a drink of wine. Every now and then i would look through and see the scores on ESPNs ticker. 5-2 Braves going to the 8th….im thinking we got this one.

After another glass of wine and i look over and its 5-5.. Sh*T! im beside me self now! So i proceed to getting Drunker! Woke up this morning to catch highlights(cause i wanted to see how the LOST THIS TIME) and after watching that play i was speechless.

And why cant these guys hit the damn ball? Thats the case all year so far, a bunch of doubles, homers with no one on base. Ive noticed these guys dont like hitting when there is someone on base…and Bobby Cox is a complete IDIOT.

All of you BC lovers dont get it. BC has only 1 world series ring (and suppose David had not hit that homer?)with all the talented teams hes had??? Remember TORONTO? Remember the 99 series w/The Yankees? And lets not forget First Round clockouts for the past Six or Seven years!!

Im just really disgusted, with all that talent, Management just sitting on their butts. The lineup is ok, we just need to overhaul that pitching staff. THEY SUCK!!!

By Mets Stink

June 15, 2006 08:38 AM | Link to this

Bad throw, but Chipper didn’t give it much effort. I don’t know if he could have caught the ball, but way to go Remmy for calling Chipper out. He wouldn’t hustle if someone was coming at him with a knife.

By austin

June 15, 2006 08:39 AM | Link to this

I sure would like to see Dontrell and Cabrerra in Braves uniforms even if it means giving up maybe a Giles and a Chipper. I just don’t think the Marlins would take on Chipper’s contract or the potential contract that Giles will desire after this season. (Chipper’s from Florida, and Dontrell and Cabrera have rings also).

By Mighy MO

June 15, 2006 08:43 AM | Link to this

I think the best tax break for AOL would be if the fans just stayed home. Why watch the Braves right now anyways? Wait for the firesale. Then it might be fun again. Let the kids play. Its a game.

By OldTimer

June 15, 2006 08:46 AM | Link to this

The gigs up folks. The bright side is that the teams market value is plummetting, so it’s Time Warner that’s gonna get a little payback. If they don’t close the current deal pretty soon, Blanc might be back in the picture. Bobby and John are gonna bail, they had a good run.

By Mets Stink

June 15, 2006 08:47 AM | Link to this

No way the Marlins take chipper’s contract. Plus they have Uggla playing great a 2B. Why would they want Giles?

By Jim Feely

June 15, 2006 08:51 AM | Link to this

With the kind of money these players make, there should be no getting down. They are paid and they should play each gam as if it waa for the series championship. Unfortunatley,it has taken 15 years to ralize that talent not Cox has been the formula behind the Braves success. That, and the unbelievable farm system of which Bobby played a role in remaking. Now we need a Billy Martin type to manage during the transition. Andru Jones is luggng a much fatter a$$ around than reportd fro spring training. What’s missing here is pride, the kind of pride that a Maddux and Glavine still show. No one heas steped up to take a leadership role. Smoltz is too busy playing golf and building churches, and Chipper just doesn’t get it. Giles needs to drop to number two and fast.

By Braves Fan

June 15, 2006 08:58 AM | Link to this

You all are killing me!!!! You act like we are the pirates who haven’t won anything in 20 years. The fact that there are people(who call themselves Braves fans) blaming Bobby, Chipper, and it seems everyone on the team is making me sick. Where is the support, Where is your loyalty to the players and management? I am sick to death watching us lose like this as well, but I am not about to start asking for peoples heads who have helped us win year after year after year. There are things that need to be fixed, but please if you are one of those fans calling Chipper (chummper) or saying Cox doesnt have control. Please do all of us Real Braves fans a favor and just stop watching the braves because you are the Worst Type of fan. A Fair Weather Fan!!!!!!!!!!!!

By Bryant

June 15, 2006 09:00 AM | Link to this

As much as I hate to admit it, and as much fun as it’s been for years, it is time to blow up this pitching staff, most of all, the relievers. Remmy, keep your mouth shut and throw strikes. Not as much fun the second time around, is it?

By Rodger

June 15, 2006 09:05 AM | Link to this

You know, money isn’t everything… We’re only 3 games ahead of Florida, and their payroll is about what Chipper makes. Bobby has to do something to shakethings up, and that’s just not his style. I can remember watching his first go around-he’d bring someone in from the pen, to watch them get lit up. Just to show it wasn’t a fluke he’d put ‘em back in the next night-same result. Although I’ve always considered him a bad “manager”, his steady support has been instrumental in long term winning. He just hasn’t been able to get it done in the clutch. It’s clutch time now. If there is any hope of salvaging this season, we have to do something different. If Cox won’t, I’d say “Turn out the lights, the party’s over!”

By Ambiguata

June 15, 2006 09:05 AM | Link to this

Amazing comments…..spoiled, jaded, two-faced - just a few of the descriptions I can use to describe the “fans” of this team. They’ll miss the playoffs for the first time in almost 15 years and suddenly everyone is incompetent and there’s no reason to watch or have hope ever again. The ownership has been in limbo for a long time now, you jerks - and when that’s the case guys like John Schuerholz have their hands tied no matter how wise they may be. Think it was coincidence that he had to start scraping from the bottom of the barrel once Time Warner took control from Ted? The Braves have continued to win despite horrible ownership and a GM and manager having to consistently pull rabbits out of the hat for the past 5-6 years, but now that it’s finally caught up to them and they appear to be headed back to mediocrity everyone is pushing eachother out of the way to get to the panic button. Got news for you all - the streak needed to end and I’m glad it’s going to, because Braves fans will be even more exposed as the worst fans in the sport - hands down. Watch attendance plummet now that the team is no longer playoff material, even though they still have good young talent and some classy vets worth paying to see. Damn, what a shame they won’t be in the playoffs again this year so the country can laugh at the 15,000 empty seats per playoff game because this town is so GD apathetic and spoiled rotten. It’s not about baseball, like in St. Louis or Chicago, it’s about popularity and pinache. The team is for sale, dumb azzes - Schuerholz isn’t going to be allowed to make any big deals that can save us now and Bobby is maxxed out from performing miracles with subpar talent. Streak finished - get over it and support the team because you love baseball you losers.

By Rich

June 15, 2006 09:09 AM | Link to this

Why bunt with Renteria? Maybe Bobby’s out of rhythm because Leo’s not rockin’ beside him? First to worst? The players have no excuse - just poor play - with a couple of minor exceptions of guys who dream the dream (e.g. McCann). It’s sad to see it go down like this, but the streak had to end - it would have been nice for it to end with the team competing to keep it going - however, now maybe something better can happen - like a Championship.

By eddie

June 15, 2006 09:09 AM | Link to this

WILL SOMEONE TELL COX THAT A .235 LEADOFF HITTER WILL NOT GET IT DONE.

By ugadawg

June 15, 2006 09:10 AM | Link to this

Chipper has made me a little angry in the past couple of years, as well, but are y’all really ready to trade a guy that has been one of the biggest reasons for the Braves’ success in the past decade?

It was a flat out horrible throw. Could Chipper have caught it? Maybe, but who cares? He would have been safe, anyway. Remy would have allowed the run on the next batter regardless. There were no outs and the bases would have been loaded.

But it is time for Cox to be gone. One of the greatest managers in baseball at developing talent, but by far the worst game-time manager in baseball. He refuses to adapt to the game, as it is changing, and continues to play the righty-left game regardless of stats. He picks his favorites and they play regardless of play, while others that were deserving of a shot (Betemit) continue to sit.

By Phil Smith

June 15, 2006 09:12 AM | Link to this

Ever think that Remlinger wants out? Would you want to be on a sinking ship? Ever think he in intentionally trying to get traded/waived, so he can go play for a team trending in a different direction?

By Kelley

June 15, 2006 09:14 AM | Link to this

I did not start watching the Braves until the 90’s, so I am not used to watching a losing team. All these years of having the Falcons, Hawks, Thrahsers, and Georgia football should have prepared me for it (Yes, Georgia falls in that group. What did they finish last year? 10th? Only 8 get in the playoffs in baseball, wouldn’t even get you in being 10th in baseball.)
All the fans need to stop acting like spoiled brats and be appreciative of what the Braves gave us for 14 years, what other franchise in Atlanta has given us that much to cheer about? None.
It simply amazes me that people are so ignorant as to blame Bobby Cox. He is the best manager in baseball. Look what he did last year w/ 3/5 of his rotation hurt, Chipper hurt (again), and the bullpen a mess. No other manager in baseball would have won a division with those circumstances. Folks, Bobby only has so many rabbits he can pull out of his hat. Let’s look at the people making more money than Bobby: Chipper, Andruw, etc.
(Andruw should get a pass b/c of last season).
Chipper Jones is not the Chipper Jones of the 90’s. I am also so tired of seeing Giles, LaRoche, Langerhans, Frenchy, and Andruw strike out. Maybe we ought to be looking at TP and McDowell if we want to blame a coach. Get off Bobby’s case, he is a future hall of fame manager.
As far as Remlinger’s comments, yes, unprofessional. But in watching, it did appear that chipper did not give much effot to catch that ball. What lost the game was giving up 3 runs in the 8th and Andruw and Frenchy striking out with the bases loaded in the 9th.

By Hal

June 15, 2006 09:18 AM | Link to this

Old Timer is exacly right !!i hope the fans stay away in droves on the next homestand .The deal isent closed yet and even corporate suits can read attendence figures this could be the ultimate payback .Time Warner created a monster let them dispose of it

By daxxed

June 15, 2006 09:19 AM | Link to this

OK…we are pass that point, it’s finger pointing time. First …TW…The Who Cares owner’s…Second …JS…Not getting the extra help we needed for another ACE, Chipper cut his salary, where did it go?…Third …BC…When Chipper was down and WB was filling in, he did a much better job at hitting than BG, so when Chipper got back why didn’t BC go to Gilly and say, it’s not working, we need a change, WB is going to start for a few serious and see what happens…and Finally..Smoltz, thats right Smoltz…once he saw that there was a major problem at closer, why did he not step up again…how many of those one run loses would not have been loses…Is he a team player or an I player, I guess since he is still in the rotation he is an I player….

Check out the replay folks, notice Chumpers foot never left the bag, he was more determined to get the out than the ball.Next he will be complaining about a sore leg because he stretched so far….

I knew a soon as JT left we would loose…especially since BC does not leave a relief pitcher in long enough to matter…Dump the match up crap BC…try something different, leave a relief pitcher in for more that one batter, funny it does not matter with a starter whether it is righty, lefty, lefty, righty; stick with a relief pitcher for more than one batter, what’s the worse that could happen, we could win!

By Mets Stink

June 15, 2006 09:20 AM | Link to this

Ambiguata: You are correct in that the Braves have some of the worst fans in the country. I’m a long time fan who was around in the 80s when we stunk. I’m tired of everyone saying we should stop watching and going to the games. True fans are there for the good times and the bad times. It’s a bad time to be a Braves fan, but I won’t stop supporting them for anything.

By Peter

June 15, 2006 09:23 AM | Link to this

I think that Rem should look at the video and see the throw. He made a mistake and blaming anyone is starting to look like the bus is coming to roll over someone. The biggest problem I see at the moment is the bullpen walking people with 1 out or 2 outs and that walk seems to score and that changes the ball game. The Braves should have won. I wish I had the talent some of the guys had when I played, they have to keep mental to be in control.

By Tomahawkin

June 15, 2006 09:24 AM | Link to this

Well guys, If people are talking about staying away from the games, we already know that the TED Will become “Fenway Park South” this weekend as we watch the Red Sox wipe the floor with our a-s-s-es its gonna be sick, Im looking foward to watching that Red Sox team, and the enthusiam they display while playing. I hope the braves will be taking notes on how a real team plays

By Tomahawkin

June 15, 2006 09:26 AM | Link to this

Actually, I only go to the games just to check out the chicks, I think they are just as good on the Tube

BTW Anyone watch the tigers last nite, Pudge Rodriguez had their fans pumped up, It reminded me of our 91 and 92 teams

By Chris

June 15, 2006 09:27 AM | Link to this

I don’t understand. The Braves are not this bad of a team. What happened to cause their luck to run out? I mean sure the Braves have some holes, but every night those holes are exploited and we find new ones. I don’t get it, the Braves played well on that 9 game road trip by going 6-3, they come home and I believe they have a good shot at picking up some ground on the Mets and instead they fall apart. This collapse is the stuff of legends.

The Braves need to have a clubhouse brawl, to show us that they still have some fight in them and that their bodies haven’t been taken over by the ghosts of the ‘62 Mets. Every time they are quoted they say the same hopeless rhetoric, only to see this slide continue. Show some life Atlanta, point some fingers at the players who screw up and get into a fight.

By Bo

June 15, 2006 09:28 AM | Link to this

After slow motion replay, stop action and everything else. The throw was high to the left of bag. Chip did reach aross his body and jump. It was A BAD THROW. That one play did not cost the game. Go back and you can count about 12 things that cost the game etc. Remmy trying to cover his a**. Bobby’s the Boss on field “the Blame Rest with him”He’s the one that should go. Its not what you did in the past, it the present that counts.

By Ron

June 15, 2006 09:32 AM | Link to this

Oh, no! The sweet, 15-year dream is over. It’s 1990 all over again. The Falcons suck. The Hawks suck. The Thrashers suck. The Yellow Jackets suck. And THE BRAVES SUCK! Atlanta is Loserville again! Oh, well, you can’t win ‘em all. Thanks Braves, for a phenomenal run. We enjoyed the ride, and we still love you. Wait til next year!

By Rutuger

June 15, 2006 09:36 AM | Link to this

Here’s a piece of information many people cannot seem to grasp:

Criticizing your management’s questionable decisions and not accepting your team’s disgraceful effort makes you a PASSIONATE fan, not a bad one.

Abandoning them when they start losing sure as hell does, though.

By Chris

June 15, 2006 09:39 AM | Link to this

Ron,

What are you talking about. The Jackets have a great baseball team. It’s an even year and the Falcons look very good, which means they will probably win the SuperBowl. The Thrashers missed the playoff’s after playing some of the best hockey in the NHL for the past 6 weeks of the season. The Hawks…well okay I’ll give you that one.

All things considered I think Atlanta sports fanchises are looking pretty good. I can think of a lot of other cities that are worse than Atlanta right now.

By ronald

June 15, 2006 09:44 AM | Link to this

It wasn’t a great throw but it was very catchable. I’m not at all convinced that Larry Jones made a great effort to catch it.

By KneeJerk

June 15, 2006 09:44 AM | Link to this

True Remi has a hard time getting lefties out. Don’t bring that up for this game. It was a sacrifice bunt. Someone blamed Bobby for the ‘96 series. How about Wohlers throwing an offspeed pitch to Leyritz when he had no chance against his fastball? You say we wouldn’t have won in ‘95 without DJs HR. We would’ve won back to back titles if not for Wohlers bonehead pitch selection. Besides Topm Kelly and Joe Torre, what manager has won more than 1 WS in the past 20 years? It’s Bobby’s fault that the #2 RBI guy in the NL struck out with the bases loaded. Bobby’s fault that his best reliever gave up a 3 run lead. Someone even blamed Cox for bringing in Ray in the 8th inning. Who has been more “automatic” in the pen than Ray? I thought it was a good move. We are desperately needing a win and Cox went to the guy that he thought could do it. We have very little major league talent in the pen. Is that Bobby’s fault too? Hilarious to hear someone say “Look at Cox’s track record. He needs to go”. What manager would you rather have? Torre? he’s a product of Steinbrenner’s endless funds. Leyland? He’s quit 3 jobs.

By pete smith

June 15, 2006 09:44 AM | Link to this

Hey Remlinger!! How about some sportmanship?! How about being a teammate?! How about being a man and placing the blame where it belongs- THE BULLPEN. There would not have been extra innings if you guys had nailed the game down in the eighth. Every night there’s a new hero pulling defeat from the jaws of victory. Guys like Chipper, McCann, and Renteria are the only bright spots on a potentially good team smudged by the most pathetic bullpen I have ever seen.

By Rodger

June 15, 2006 09:44 AM | Link to this

Don’t worry about the Hawks-when Belkin takes over, his first move will be to fire Billy Knight!

By jeff (mets fan)

June 15, 2006 09:48 AM | Link to this

It looks like the end of a Braves era. Get rid of your G.M. look at your farm system. Maybe in 3-5 years you might have something. It’s now time for the Mets to take over. Remember what the Mets have for the years to come (Wright,Reyes,Beltran,Milledge,Pelfrey ect…) youth is where it’s at….

By Calvin Gray

June 15, 2006 09:48 AM | Link to this

Thanks for the good times. lets rebuild and go for another 15 or 20 years. After that I will be dead or to far gone to care.

By Billy

June 15, 2006 09:49 AM | Link to this

I am so sick of seeing a pitcher struggler through an inning, but get out of it without a run scored, and Bobby pulls them. The pinch hitter (Roachy) never made it to the plate in the 8th and Bobby still put in Ken Ray one inning early. Closers are for closing. The 7th inning pitcher was doing fine, he’s a great reliever. Bobby should of kept him one more inning. Middle relievers are there for more than 3 outs. Also, how can you have your best hitter bunting. Edgar lives on base; play agressive Bobby. I had no doubt Andrew was going to wiff again in the 9th; you can see his homerun swing in his eyes. How can every person in this great land of ours, be calling for Betemit to be inserted into the line-up, and B.J. starts? Put him at first for crying out loud. Leave Giles alone, he will work through it, just take him out of the lead off role. He has heart and that is infectous. Remlinger needs to join Reitsma on the DL from a good beating from his teamates. He sucks in every way!

By pete smith

June 15, 2006 09:51 AM | Link to this

In response to kneejerk’s comment:

The answer to your manager question is Cito Gaston, former manager of the Toronto Blue Jays. WS Champs in ‘92 & 93.

By Sambo

June 15, 2006 09:52 AM | Link to this

ASK CHIPPER?

I’d ask Chipper what he’s doing to justify that salary of his !

Free up payroll so Schuerholz can reload for next and future seasons !

Trade Smoltz to Detroit. He’s not the future of the Braves

Take offers for Chipper and Hudson.

By Rutuger

June 15, 2006 09:52 AM | Link to this

Um, Ron, the Falcons are pretty stacked this year…

By Sambo

June 15, 2006 09:52 AM | Link to this

ASK CHIPPER?

I’d ask Chipper what he’s doing to justify that salary of his !

Free up payroll so Schuerholz can reload for next and future seasons !

Trade Smoltz to Detroit. He’s not the future of the Braves

Take offers for Chipper and Hudson.

By Tomahawkin

June 15, 2006 09:54 AM | Link to this

Gawd This Team Stinks! already dropping 2 of 3 to the AAA Miami Marlins, and getting ready to get our a-s-s-es handed to us by the Sox

By Chris

June 15, 2006 09:54 AM | Link to this

I love the people who say look at Bobby’s track record:

14 consecutive division titles, most of any pro-sports franchise in any sport.

I can think of a number of those seasons when nobody expected the Braves to win anything, let alone the division. If you are going to blame Bobby for everything wrong with the team then you have to give him credit when they win. Get over it, Bobby Cox is one of the greatest coaches ever, it’s way to easy for you people to criticize his moves in hindsight. Had we any other manager we might not of even been in the playoff’s all those years.

You people don’t even recognize what we have in Atlanta, and I suspect that you loud mouth j*******’s are the same one’s who never go to the games. You complain about the Braves all season and the post-season, but you never even make an effort to make it out to the stadium. Idiots!

By Beau

June 15, 2006 09:55 AM | Link to this

It is very obvious that most of the comments posted were written by people that do not have a clue about baseball and probably never played the game before. To blame Bobby Cox and JS is laughable! These two men have built a solid organization from top to bottom and both will land in the HOF! You can’t “buy” a championship with talented players. Look at teams like the Mets, Redskins, Raiders, and others who over the years have loaded up on all-star free agents and still don’t have a championship. The Braves lost their lead off hitter, pitching coach, closer, a starting pitcher, and the oldest active player in baseball history. Cut them some slack! Great coaching made the nineth inning so frustrating to begin with. It was just a terrible at bat for A. Jones! How was that Cox’s and JS’s fault? As a manager that is the match up that you want!

By Wolfman

June 15, 2006 09:58 AM | Link to this

The pitching staff is a joke, and any baseball knwoledable fan watching that game last night in the bottom of 8th inning new that Wes Helms was looking for a down the middle fast ball to hit it out to tie the game on a 3 and 1 count. Can you believe that our pither , cather , and coaches let him throw it !!!!! First base was open, man on second, two outs…he gets the outside corner or you WALK HIM !!!!! hello !!!!!! The next batter was a slap hitter , who may get a hit and make it 5 to4 , but at least you can still have a lead …Unbelievable!!!, and I new it was coming , that is the sad thing about these last two horrific weeks of baseball by my Braves. Get a dose of reality braves fans, the baseball gods have it out for us this year !!!!…….the streak , and playoffs are coming to an end , unless John S mortgages the future, which I hope he does not, but what future players do we have now . I don’t see anymore that have not been called up from last year. Maybe two or three ay AAA OR AA………..PUT A FORK IN THE Braves ……its OVER AND OUT FOR 2006 !!!

By Chris

June 15, 2006 10:03 AM | Link to this

So we don’t win the division this year. It’s not the end of the world. Why does eveyone want to sell off the team after one bad season? You don’t get rid of your proven performers just because you go through a rough patch. I doubt any of you who are calling for the Braves to sell off the team have any business sense whatsoever.

By New York Matt

June 15, 2006 10:03 AM | Link to this

Yuz guys done finished foist the last zillion years. Now give us Metz a chance. All tings in nature has der upz and downz. dont despair.

By Chopaholic

June 15, 2006 10:05 AM | Link to this

Yea, but when the Mets win that means Down has become Up and Up has become Down, and that upsets the balance of nature…

By JIMBO

June 15, 2006 10:12 AM | Link to this

KneeJerk? You are Hilarious. I could name a dozen managers I rather have. Bobby picks his players. JS goes along with BC 99% on time. The BLAME IS ON BOBBY.If a coach or mgr. don’t win they get fired. Thats just the way it is.Track record are just that track records. Times change!

By Chris

June 15, 2006 10:16 AM | Link to this

JIMBO,

So one bad season after several where they were never supposed to win and that means Bobby has to go? Are you some kind of stupid? Bobby is one of the best coaches in baseball history and you think we should get rid of him because you don’t like the way things are going this year. You are a joke.

By Chris

June 15, 2006 10:19 AM | Link to this

JIMBO,

You must be a Mets fan, because only a Mets fan would want the Braves to fire the greatest coach of this era of baseball.

By Tim

June 15, 2006 10:19 AM | Link to this

Time-Warner is responsible for much of this. They cut the payroll to bare-bones stuff. We have been hemmoraging quality pitchers for three years, along with some great position players. Did anyone really think we could replace Maddux and Glavine with Sosa and Reitsma? We now no longer have the talent to win. No amount of sniping and finger-pointing will change that fact. And, there are too many holes to fill this year. This year is over, barring a miracle of Biblical proportions. We need new owners, folks, or this continues.

By Tomahawkin

June 15, 2006 10:19 AM | Link to this

Wow Mutts fans are coming out in droves now the Mutts are actually playing like a playoff caliber team, Sweet Justice if they go down in the first round, I’m gonna laugh my a-s-s off…

By bigboi

June 15, 2006 10:21 AM | Link to this

I didn’t think that Larry Wayne Jones gave it much of an effort last night on that throw from Remmy. The Two live Stews rule!!!!! And I’m gone, Alright Alright Alright

By THall

June 15, 2006 10:23 AM | Link to this

I’m more concerned about the numbness in Reitsma’s head than the numbness in his fingers!

By Ron

June 15, 2006 10:23 AM | Link to this

I stand by my comment that all of our teams suck right now. The Falcons are “stacked”? Gimme a break! They’ve never even had two consecutive winning seasons! Quit dreamin’! Yeah, I’ll admit the Jackets baseball team is good - as always. You, I, and about three other people care. It’s not exactly a rallying cry for the city. I am still a huge Braves fan, despite this disappointing season, because they’ve given us a team to be proud of for the past 15 years. Go, Braves!

By hccmac

June 15, 2006 10:28 AM | Link to this

OK, the sinking ship started with AOL/Time-Warner…unfortunately with current ownership there aren’t enough patches ($$) to keep the Braves afloat…

We need: to release Jordan and Remlinger….Start Betemit…..Find a 3rd baseman that doesn’t have concrete in his shoes…….Move Giles out of leadoff…. Keep Reitsma off the field (without 13 blown saves the Braves are in 1st)…… Find another starter (When will Hampton be back??)…..Show Andruw and Chipper how to run out a hit ball…… Oh yeah, trade someone for a reliever!!

Still a Braves fan!!

By Yelling Last Night

June 15, 2006 10:29 AM | Link to this

Two things jumped out at me while watching that game last night. 1)It was a train wreck….I wanted to stop watching but I couldn’t, I had to see how the Braves were going to blow it. How fitting that when we have runners on 1st & 2nd with no outs and our best player tries to move them over the Marlins get the lead runner @ 3rd. Then the Marlins have the same situation and Remlinger throws it into left field. Pathetic. 2)The Marlins have 2 World Championships in the last 9 years. The Braves have 1. 14 straight division titles really doesn’t equate to much.

I also kept waiting to see someone on the Braves get p** off and do something to win the game. Nah, all we saw was Andruw smiling while he wiffed (twice) with a runner at 3rd and only 1 out, and Chipper flailing at Remmy’s wild throw then dropping his head in disgust.

Of course when Bobby keeps trotting out the same lineup every night what can you expect? What happened to “Betemit is going to be in the lineup more”. Arrrgggghhhhh. I can’t stand it anymore.

By TheSouthernJournalistJackAss

June 15, 2006 10:30 AM | Link to this

Remlinger!…at least there is one Atlanta player with a set of “BALLS!”!!!…

By Chris

June 15, 2006 10:30 AM | Link to this

Ron,

I can’t help that for you the glass is half empty. I think there is plenty of reason to be optimistic about Atlanta’s sprots teams. Yea, the Falcons have had ups and downs, but if you can’t get excited about the team they are putting on the field this year than I don’t know what else they could do. They have one of the most solid D-line’s and Linebacker corps in the NFL, and they finally have a Safety who can provide the secondary some leadership. You are crazy if you write this team off as being terrible.

By Chris

June 15, 2006 10:38 AM | Link to this

I dont think Chipper possibly could have cought it. It was a bad throw, but no sweat, the Braves will come back and make it to the playoffs like the past 12 or 13 years. Go Braves!!!! You can do it!!!!

By Adam Smith

June 15, 2006 10:39 AM | Link to this

I agree with Chris, I can’t believe you people. What I have learned is never give up on John S. or Bobby! Maybe they will win, maybe they won’t, but this team that we see now will not be the team we see in September…

By dewboy

June 15, 2006 10:41 AM | Link to this

I blame Bobby. Given that every left hander that Remlinger has faced has hit him, only a fool (and a senile one at that) would be stupid enough to even put the man in a game - ANY game. He might make a good tee for a kid’s tee ball league. Nah, Remmy would probably drop the ball when the kid swung the bat!!! We had a dozen hits and a 3 run lead for goodness sakes. If you must put Remlinger in a game, be sure there are two outs, it’s the TOP of the ninth, and we have at least a 10 run league. We need a players only meeting all right to send several oldtimers - including Remmy, Jordan and Pratt PACKING!!

By Adam Smith

June 15, 2006 10:44 AM | Link to this

The past 14 years consecutively there Chris

By ball fan

June 15, 2006 10:44 AM | Link to this

My belief is that Chipper while a Hall of Famer should have been moved to First Base a long time ago. After he was not traded years ago, the team is stuck with him now. He should realize that as you get older your skills go down. There is another player whoh can play the position as it should be played. Even Eddie Matthews knew when to chnage posiitons.

At this point in the season there is not alot that can be done. 12 years ago there was enough forsight to bring up young pitchers and let them learn on the job. Maybe Time/Warner shouldbite the bullet and eat some contracts. The value of the team goes down daily with this type of effort.

By tom

June 15, 2006 10:45 AM | Link to this

This METS FAN is loving the absolute MISERY and CONFUSION of the Braves fans. LET’S GO METS!!

By Jason T

June 15, 2006 10:45 AM | Link to this

You never put your closer in the 8th inning, it never works out good for them. Bobby had faith in Ken to get the job done like he has done about 95% of the time. Atleast he’s not Reitsma like yet. But Man what a nasty come back change up to strikeout that one dude. ala Greg Maddux. Hang in there Ken, if Francouer would quit swinging at every pitch he sees, he might be a better hitter. Hey Frenchy you’re down 0-2 do you actually think they’re going to throw you a strike?? Come on Man they’re eating you up with breaking balls 5 feet of the plate, relax Dude Damn!! Andrew what’s your problem? The leading all star outfielder playing like a Rook. Get it in gear son!! Chipper get back on the roids man, you’re Power is Weak!!! How much are they paying you this year. 15,000,000! Earn your keep Son. Bobby Get Betemit in there every night, let him play 3rd or left and get Langerhans out of the line-up. He’s AWFUUULLL!! Platoon Chipper and Laroche. Change it up Cox, stop beeing so loyal to players who aren’t worth a Damn!! Jordan, you need to retire. You suck!

By robdawg06

June 15, 2006 10:46 AM | Link to this

Remlinger might have balls but he’s supposed to have a pitching (accurate) arm. Can he pitch with his balls ?

By John

June 15, 2006 10:47 AM | Link to this

They want us to vote them in the All Star balloting ..hahaha…yeah right, all stars?? Are you serious, we SUCK!!! Get rid of Roche and trade him for Millwood- send Jordan/Reitsma to minors…Trade Giles and Langerhans..and prospect for Billy Wagner.

By Beth in P'Cola

June 15, 2006 10:47 AM | Link to this

One bad tough place and you guys want to get rid of BC, JS, Chipper, Smoltz, - all the reasons we’ve been so good for so long. Unbelievable LOL. Hey, we’re even calling AJ fat again. We should trade him, don’t you think - and get someone thinner. That’s GOT to be the reason he’s striking out a lot now (and could’t possible be that he’s pressing). It is June 15th, after all. Not much time to get it together before September. And look at CJ’s play at third. It’s gone from “steady” to “not trying”. Perception is a tricky thing, isn’t it. Well, this is the perfect place for BC to show why he’s a HOF manager. I personally think he has a few tricks left in his hat. We WILL overcome all of this (it’s the stuff that dreams are made of, right CS?), but let’s not get rid of our team in the process! Call up some of the good ones. Shake up the lineup. But let’s keep Bobby and Chipper and Smoltz. They might have a couple of games left in them.

By Adam Smith

June 15, 2006 10:47 AM | Link to this

Whether the Braves win or lose, the Mets will fall….that is literally guaranteed!

By robdawg06

June 15, 2006 10:50 AM | Link to this

Chipper stays. He carried this team for a decade. Ditto for Smoltz & Andruw. Jettison the bullpen to Mars though. And for God’s sake, let Wilson Betemit start somewhere !

By Brooke

June 15, 2006 10:51 AM | Link to this

Chipper needs to be traded! He’s past his prime and can’t make a simple play. Here’s an idea for the Braves—add some brothas to the squad!

By Darryl Livingstone

June 15, 2006 10:54 AM | Link to this

Ther Mets sure are doing well, aren’t they?

Bwahahahahahaha…..the ride has ended. Please exit via that long, dark tunnel all the way to the golf course. 3 Games out of LAST? Makes my Blue and Orange heart glad.

By robdawg06

June 15, 2006 10:54 AM | Link to this

Remlinger made a terrible throw and you blame Chipper ? Chipper’s hitting .290 and Remlinger’s era is 6.00 (lefties are hitting .700 against him too) so tell me who the star is between the two ?

By student

June 15, 2006 10:55 AM | Link to this

The way some of you guys feel about Chipper reflects pretty badly on you. The guy is one of our few decent players, and is fine at third. Remlinger threw the ball in the dirt. Could Chipper have possibly caught it? Well maybe, but thats not the same thing as saying he should have. He’s not a first baseman (despite what everyone seems to think) When your pitcher throws the ball in the dirt right in front of you thats a very tough play to make. But yet some of you seem to have this strange grudge against our team’s best player for the last 10 years.

By robdawg06

June 15, 2006 10:56 AM | Link to this

Why don’t you keep your blue and orange asz on the Mets board ?

By Q

June 15, 2006 10:58 AM | Link to this

All of you doubters!!!! You are the same people who never went to a Braves game before 1991. Baseball seasons are 163 games long. It’s not over!!! The Mets are winning, but aren’t used to it. The Braves are losing, and will not get used to it! We’ll see what’s what in October. 15 in a row! How about that!

By robdawg06

June 15, 2006 11:02 AM | Link to this

Gimme some of what you are smokin’ Q. In the past the Braves made trades to fix problem areas. The broke asz Time Warner group prevents this unless a miracle can happpen. Why Cox continues to rely on Remlinger,Villareal,and Reitsma (when healthy) is beyond me when you have McBride,Stockman,and C.James who can pitch.

By Val

June 15, 2006 11:02 AM | Link to this

My recommendations: -Ken Ray - keeper -Reitsma - don’t let the door hit him in the butt on the way out -Smoltz - doesn’t want to close; will play with any time next year; time to go Smoltzie -Hudson, Thomson - they will turn around; keeper -Rest of the pitching staff - play musical chairs only remove 75% of the chairs from the game -Chipper - his salary is too big and at his age no one will take it on -Giles - too big for his britches; bye-bye -LaRoche - let him daydream on some other teams first base -Andruw - keeper; he’s just frustrated at this point; but then who isn’t -Jordan - he’s good for the club house and can still produce -McCann - a real keeper; this good and this young means a lot -Pratt - still produces and a great veteran for the clubhouse -Franceour - other teams have learned to pitch to him and he hasn’t adjusted; back to AAA for him -Orr and Langerhans - keepers

By Tomahawk SEEYA

June 15, 2006 11:04 AM | Link to this

Next game at the “Ted” when you idiots do that tomahawk chop you should move your arms side to side instead of up and down and wave your overrated 14 year ONE championship streak goodbye.

By Sophia

June 15, 2006 11:04 AM | Link to this

I missed the bottom of the 10th last night. Who’s fault was it really?

By DTB

June 15, 2006 11:05 AM | Link to this

Trade Chipper and get what we can before it’s to late…Throw in Remy and Jordan also.

By robdawg06

June 15, 2006 11:05 AM | Link to this

Francoeur is the best hitter on the team. Renteria’s average is better but overall production its Francoeur.

By student

June 15, 2006 11:05 AM | Link to this

And sometimes I think no one looks at stats. Chipper is batting .290 with a .385 OBP. Thats second on the team. Power numbers have been down but its not like he’s dragging us down out there. The problem isn’t him, he isn’t one of the guy striking out all the time…It always amazes how people can’t figure out where to put the blame. We’re having a bad season, that doesn’t mean everyone is playing bad out there. Renteria has been very good, Chipper has been fine, even Marcus seems to be playing a little better. But we aren’t getting much from first or LF and the bullpen has been so bad nothing else matters much…

By Gary

June 15, 2006 11:06 AM | Link to this

From worst to first back to worst.Looks like the circle is now complete. Thanks for the memories.

By downandout

June 15, 2006 11:06 AM | Link to this

I have a problem with Smoltz. His refusal to go back to being the closer is hurting the team. He certainly is not the starter he once was. His ego has now getting in the way of the team. He is a better closer than he is a starter. Management should not as but tell him where he will be playing. Also, move Giles back to second in the order, hit Bettement some fly balls put him in left and make him leadoff. Cox, let see now just how good a manager you are. There is talent but I don’t think it is being utilized.

By NY METS

June 15, 2006 11:06 AM | Link to this

THATS RIGHT BRAVES FANS. YOU SUCK SO BAD THIS year it’s not even funny how bad the braves suck…..oh thats right, its funny as hell!!!! The mets own you right now. Mets got the best record in baseball and you have one of the worst records. Time to rebuild the braves. What a bunch of putrid players to go along with their putrid fans

Cheers Dan

By Stan

June 15, 2006 11:07 AM | Link to this

I love the Braves, but it seems that everyone has forgotten that they have won the division 14 years in a row. Everyone quit your griping and support them…..we have all gotten so spoiled to winning and now that they are having a rough season, everyone is whining….give them a break!!! Yes, their pitching is horrible, they can’t get a timely hit, but again, lets back them and not crucify them for having an off year.

By MRiles

June 15, 2006 11:09 AM | Link to this

Some of you people are embarrasing yourselves. It’s mind boggling that some of you would blame Bobby Cox. The minute you do you’ve exposed the fact that you don’t know anything about baseball. What adjustments do you want him to make, considering who we have? I do think Betemit should play more but other than him, who? Do you think he should have pinch hit for Andruw? For Francouer? I noticed no one blaming Pendleton. I would make a change there and take a different approach. Bobby Cox didn’t wake up one morning and forget everything he knew. It’s the players not producing, it’s as simple as that. As far as 14 years in a row…not being a big deal? How come no other team from any other sport has ever done it. Good grief, this is why I hate the internet.

By robdawg06

June 15, 2006 11:10 AM | Link to this

Chipper deserves to be traded to a winner because he’s been a winner ALL HIS LIFE. I bet many of you don’t know that he has never finished below FIRST on any team from little league all the way thru high school and up until this year. That’s right, he’s finished first EVERY YEAR for over 20 years ! He’s a winner. Too bad he’s surrounded by so many losers. He’s been the most consistent player for the Braves ever averaging .300 30 100 and solid defense at 3B. Now tell me about the great Remlinger’s stellar career…

By Ron

June 15, 2006 11:10 AM | Link to this

Most of these post are making me sick. We still have a ton of baseball to play and I excited to see where the WHOLE season plays out. Stop throwing the Braves under the bus. Stop with the negitive waves baby! It’s gonna be ok.

By Rick

June 15, 2006 11:11 AM | Link to this

Does anybody miss Leo?

By student

June 15, 2006 11:11 AM | Link to this

We can’t even get to the closer spot and our starting pitching is very shallow as it is. Take Smoltz out of the rotation and who the hell do you think would start? Sosa and Thompson are already close to being out of the rotation. Take away Smoltz and we have a grand total of one reasonably dependable pitcher. He hasn’t been great but he’s been okay. Besides we can’t even seem to get to the 9th with a lead lately so what the hell does it matter who our closer is. Try to think a little.

By robdawg06

June 15, 2006 11:12 AM | Link to this

McKay McBride or Chuck James should be in the bullpen and Remlinger and Reitsma released. Can you understand these are moves Bobby should have made ?

By steve

June 15, 2006 11:12 AM | Link to this

I see everybody’s quick to demand Bobby be fired. What about Terry Pendelton? He’s supposed to be the hitting coach, and they obviously aren’t hitting. They have no discipline at the plate. I think he’s the worst of the bunch as far as coaching goes. If you’re gonna fire somebody, start with Pendelton!

By mike p.

June 15, 2006 11:12 AM | Link to this

lets think about this people. if you are negotiating to sell your business are you going to invest anymore money in it? until time-warner sells this team we won’t see any improvements.if the potential buyer is looking for a tax write-off then why improve it.the team has been put in a sorry predicament.if you watch the games you rarely see any enthuciasm from the atlanta bench.regardless of who owns the team these braves need to act like they want to win instead of just collecting another pay check!!!

By jarvis

June 15, 2006 11:12 AM | Link to this

Time Warner Eventually the hemoraging of our talent that has taken place was going to catch up with us. We’ve lost too much pitching.

By Mike

June 15, 2006 11:13 AM | Link to this

Wow NY METS (Dan). You must have at least a middle school education.

By JIMBO

June 15, 2006 11:14 AM | Link to this

Chris you are the Pro. You are right everyone that don’t like BC is wrong , stupid and a joke! KEEP DREAMING…I’m not a met fan (in 8 years I missed 4 home games) Yes, I was stupid and Its not just one bad season, its only one good one(WS) get in…..

By student

June 15, 2006 11:14 AM | Link to this

And no I don’t think its McDowell’s fault either. Guess how those Baltimore pitchers have been doing? Not so good. Its not like the bullpen was always a powerhouse with Mazzone around, you can’t do much without the personnel.

By Bob Hammond

June 15, 2006 11:14 AM | Link to this

Who is to blame? John Scheurholtz for one. He has gutted the team once too often and now see the results. Letting Farnsworth and Leo get away are just part of what he has done to the team. Andruw Jones has gotten away from the way he batted last year and now is not producing. Last year, spread out and taking away pitches away, he hit 51 homers. This year, back to trying to pull everything, he can’t touch the outside pitch except to ground out weakly. And the pitching staff: I am not sure that anyone from the bullpen could strike out my mother who is 84 years old. Then there is Jeff Francouer. Learn the strike zone Jeff!!

By jeff (mets fan)

June 15, 2006 11:14 AM | Link to this

All you braves fan’s can start your vacations early! Mets will walk away with this division now and for years to come!

By JIMBO

June 15, 2006 11:15 AM | Link to this

Chris you are the Pro. You are right everyone that don’t like BC is wrong , stupid and a joke! KEEP DREAMING…I’m not a met fan (in 8 years I missed 4 home games) Yes, I was stupid and Its not just one bad season, its only one good one(WS) get it…..

By LJ

June 15, 2006 11:15 AM | Link to this

It doesn’t matter whether Chipper could have caught that ball or not - it doesn’t matter whether the runner would have been safe anyway - what matters is that Chipper atleast give it 110% on that play - which he didn’t. This team can’t afford to not be giving it 110% on every single play - at every single bat - on every run down to the bases. This team has stopped hustling and playing hard and that includes the last play of the game.
This team needs to start caring about this season or it doesn’t matter what Bobby Cox does or doesn’t do. Maybe the players need to start calling each other out - maybe then each game each player will try to “prove” it’s not their fault the team is losing. Maybe this team needs an all out brawl in the dugout :) - heck it couldn’t be worse than it is now!!!!

By ga_tech_92

June 15, 2006 11:15 AM | Link to this

I haven’t read all the posts, but here is my opinion.

Year after year the payroll has been downgraded, while the teams around us increase theirs…often picking up our free agents. Each year the fans dared to say “hey this is going to hurt the team”. Somehow the team has managed to win more than expected year after year. It’s finally caught up with us.

During the off-season we let Leo go, over saving 200,000. Some people said, “are we stupid???…KEEPP LEO”…some people said “Leo makes no difference”. Since the Braves starting AND bullpen pitching is the worst in the National League the first year after Leo has gone…and for the first time in many years…I think it’s obvious the payroll cuts and letting Leo go has paid it’s toll. I challenge the Braves now to find any single pitcher who can turn the teams average ERA around for 200,000. Letting Leo go was stupid.

If we are going to win on a pay-roll less than the Yankees, then we have to do it with our farm system. If we trade away our top prospects to get a veteran guy THIS YEAR, then we aren’t winning with our farm system…we are selling the farm to MAYBE salvage one year…..which is also stupid.

Keep your prospects. Increase the payroll to be comparable with the Yankees. Get Leo back. It’s not complicated.

By robdawg06

June 15, 2006 11:16 AM | Link to this

Smoltz was 99 % successful as a closer. He is sub par (about 50 %) as a starter this year. You have Kyle Davies,Chuck James,and others that can replace him as a starter. We obviously have no one to close out games. Do you remember the 15 saves Reitsma,K.Ray,and others have blown ? Being 11 games out, if Smoltz had closed those games we would be right on the Mets heels.

By ugadawg

June 15, 2006 11:17 AM | Link to this

Call it pressing if you want, but striking out with the bases loaded and 1 out is inexcusable, any way you slice it. I’m not saying Chipper or Andruw need to go….they are staples of this team. But they are going to have to start earning those big $$.

And another thing, I don’t care if a lefty is pitching, there is no reason to not start McCann except for the occasional day of rest. Say what you will about LaRoche, but Jordan is worse. Betemit needs to start at second for the Sox series and give Giles time to settle down and figure out whats going on. If Betemit doesn’t do anything, then put Giles back in. Giles has not been good enough over the past couple years to excuse his inadequacy at the leadoff spot.

By Clyde

June 15, 2006 11:18 AM | Link to this

Getting rid of our young talent for veterans in the bullpen has come back to haunt us. I can’t name one veteran that has done something for us. All of them suck. And trade Giles too. Let Betemit play second.

By Kent Nelson

June 15, 2006 11:18 AM | Link to this

The problem is Not Chipper ! The problem is closing pitching ! We have blown 12 potential saves ! The ego of Smoltz is killing me. Bring a starter up from Richmond and Smoltz needs to close ! Cox is NOT the problem !

By Kent Nelson

June 15, 2006 11:20 AM | Link to this

Mets WHO ? They couldnt win last year ! Maybe This year and that will be it for another decade ! Mets Who ?

By robdawg06

June 15, 2006 11:21 AM | Link to this

Why would a Mets fan want to be on a Braves board ? I would never want to come even 10,000 miles close to a Mets board.

By scotty

June 15, 2006 11:22 AM | Link to this

The whole team is to blame. They cant hit, they cant pitch and it looks like they may end up in dead last. We need to make a move to give our team a fresh look. I say deal marcus, langerhauns, and a lot of prospects for Dontrelle Willis and Miquel Cabrera. We could stick Cabrera in left and Dontrelle would make a difference for us. Whatever it is the Braves need to do something. I have been a Braves fan ever since I could walk and I am 24 right now and have never disliked them this much.

By Robbie

June 15, 2006 11:22 AM | Link to this

Im eating this up, Chumper, LOLOL

By Gary W Scott

June 15, 2006 11:23 AM | Link to this

I am talking next year already the Braves need a table setter in the leadoff spot and spend money on a real closer. Bat Giles 2nd next year 1 free agent/trade-of 2 C.Jones-3b 3 LaRhoce-1b-or free agent 4 A.Jones-of 5 Francour-of 6 free agent/trade-of 7 rentira 8 McCann-c 9 Hudson,Hampton, closer—-Smoltz

By student

June 15, 2006 11:23 AM | Link to this

I have to say though that I do blame Cox partially. I’m not like some of you people that seem to think that a manager who has won 15 straight pennants never knew what he was doing, but he seems to have gotten stubborn this year. Its one thing to be loyal to your players but its another to refuse to make changes when things aren’t working. Remlinger should be off the team, Reitsma should have lost the closer’s job long before he did, Betemit should be given a chance at first base or left field or both. We might as well go ahead and bring up Thorman and sit Laroche. We might as well bring up a couple of the relievers who have been doing well at Richmond. Changing some things could only help right now, how could it get worse?

By Al

June 15, 2006 11:24 AM | Link to this

All this talk is very interesting, but all I see is the fact that this bullpin (if you can call it that) has blown 13 saves!!! The Braves are 12 out!! Do the math. Send the entire pin down and bring up some good prospects!!!!

By ga_tech_92

June 15, 2006 11:25 AM | Link to this

Guys we can say “we need more pitching, trade offense for pitching” or we can say “we need more offense, trade pitching for offense” or we can say “we need a closer, trade this to get that”. The bottom line is, this team overall has a serious lack of talent. If we trade one thing to get another, we will be then coming up short somewhere else. We need to spend a hell of a lot more money and keep our great prospects and quite being so CHEAP as to let the best pitching coach in the majors go just to save 200,000. The Braves have gotten cheaper and cheaper over the years with the current owner ship and now it’s finally becoming crystal clear. The solution isn’t trading strength for a weakness; the solution is making us much better without downgrading any strength along the way.

By Mike

June 15, 2006 11:25 AM | Link to this

Somethings going to happen soon. Chuck James is doing very well in Richmond. Its only a matter of time before someone from the rotation gets demoted, released, or traded.

By James

June 15, 2006 11:25 AM | Link to this

A Change at the lead off spot will help.The line-up used on sunday would be nice!!!ANd by the way baseball is a team sport,why does there always have to be fall guy!If you blame anybody it has to be the manager of the team.It is time to make some tough moves!!!

By mike

June 15, 2006 11:26 AM | Link to this

I am not smart enough to know whats wrong, I do thank the braves for a decade of above 500 baseball. I guess the fair weather fans will go away for a while now. There is an office pool being started about how much longer before bobby cox will last as manager. sad.

By jj20

June 15, 2006 11:29 AM | Link to this

The Braves will make the playoffs. The bullpen and only the bullpen is to blame of the strugles of late. Another person that needs to get their act together is Andruw. He’s a great talent but he is the anti clutch-hitter. When is the last time he came through we the big hit. I can’t remember any. I can remember plenty for Chipper, however.

By C Daddy

June 15, 2006 11:31 AM | Link to this

Let’s face it, the end of this franchis’s winning streak is at hand, happens to all teams. But, what we don’t need to do is waste the remainder of the year.

Time for Giles, LaRoche, Jordan and Langerhans to be benched, traded or released, same for Remlinger and Sosa and whoever else stands in the way of the future. Ask Chipper where he wants to go and move him, and be honest about the fact it is time to rebuild, starting now. We can blame pitching all we want, but the position players are looking pretty bad themsemves.

If Bobby is not up to training young players then it is time for him to go to the front office, and may be anyway. Time for a manager with a little fire toward more than the umps. Also, it very well may be time for JS to retire, at last. The future is the A, AA and some AAA players in the system, along with Betemit, Francour, McCann and A Jones, if he can find some plate discipline. Terry Pendelton needs to go as well, sorry to say.

Nothing wrong with saying it was nice while it lasted, and end the embarassment on the field.

By Antonio McNugget

June 15, 2006 11:32 AM | Link to this

Remlinger can eat $hit.

By JayTee

June 15, 2006 11:32 AM | Link to this

Move Chipper to first…Put W.B. on third…trade Giles for a pitcher…bring Pena back up to lead off! Go Braves!

By robdawg06

June 15, 2006 11:33 AM | Link to this

Its only natural for a true fan to be angry at the way their team plays when they start losing. The “fair weather” fan is as happy about losing as he is winning. If this team didn’t have good players it would be different. Any team in MLB would take Chipper,Andruw,Hudson,Smoltz,McCann,and Francoeur. These players are WINNERS. And its the other players that should be blamed for the losing along with poor managing and player personnel decisions by Bobby Cox & J. Schuerholz. Copeche ?

By peter

June 15, 2006 11:35 AM | Link to this

Things are allot worse off than just with Chipper……come on now guys, always in a big situation I was very happy to have Chipper up to bat, he is clutch………last night he walked to load the bases…..then what did Andrew and Francoeur do? They stuck out on horrible pictches…….Chipper is at the end of his career, so he is not the same any more.

The guy we let get away, and why we never won more Championships was also very clutch, and something we all should realize, and he was a great right fielder as well……David Justice!

By Jason T

June 15, 2006 11:35 AM | Link to this

Smoltz isn’t the issue, he’s had 10 starts that he should have won, he’s given up like 3 runs or less in most of them, If we could hit the ball and score more than 2 to 3 runs a game we be in 2nd place right now. Plus we have to have to have good starters to even get to the Closer. Chipper we can’t trade, he’s the posterchild of the Braves and still has some left in the tank. Betemit has to play no matter whos feelings get hurt Cox!!! Giles for sure back to the 2 hole, rentiria leads off or Betemit when he gets in there. it’s obviously affecting everyone mentally now. They look like they’re in panic mode although they won’t admit it. JS time to work your magic one last time before you retire. Villereal is Awful. Bad trade there. Richmond be ready here we come..

By Yankee FAN

June 15, 2006 11:37 AM | Link to this

There is nothing wrong with the LILLY WHITE Braves roster. Its called justice or or LACK of a Justice. Remember back in the day when the BRAVES sucked they were LILLY white and they are LILLY White again. Bring back some color. Reggie Sanders Jermaine Dye Gary Sheffield and even RAY KINg dammit

By gdawginkalamazoo

June 15, 2006 11:38 AM | Link to this

LA Brave,

Up here, if you mention Chipper, people ask you which tree service are you using.

It just might not be the Braves year this year. If DETROIT can have the best record in baseball look for other goofy things to happen. If DETROIT continues to win the stars just might have aligned over the Motor City this year and not the ATL.

Life long Braves fan from way back, move out of state, Brave roll off all those titles. Give it time they will get back to finishing well like they always do. Maybe it takes a clubhouse tussle to shake everybody up. Still a great team with a great manager.

By ga_tech_92

June 15, 2006 11:38 AM | Link to this

Bring back the very talented Free Agents we let go in the name of “saving payroll”…bring back the best pitching coach in the majors, who we let go in the name of “saving payroll”…then I bet we aren’t even having this conversation. It’s about dollars people…you can take a mediocre payroll and win every so often, but not consistently. Do you think it’s a coincidence that the Yankees spend more than any other team historically and also historically have won a quarter of every World Series that have ever been? It’s not rocket science people…you have to spend money to have a consistently great team. You can only win every so often on the cheap. (Yes, even the Yankees have down years…but please again…look at how they are over time…they own 25% of the World Series Trophies that are in existence.) AOL-TimeWarner is a company trying to make money, not trying to win the World Series. Wake up and taste the lack of dedication from the top….Bobby can’t win with a sub par team any more than the next coach.

By Mike

June 15, 2006 11:39 AM | Link to this

JayTee, uhm… no. Brian McCann is a far better catcher than Pena. Maybe you mean Prado, the second baseman?

By Q

June 15, 2006 11:39 AM | Link to this

The Braves only problems (which will be overcome) are they don’t have a leadoff hitter (why did we let Raffy go ?!), or a bullpen. We can trade for middle relief, maybe even a good closer, remember GM John is a genius! How about getting into the Soriano sweepstakes, and let him and Giles flip for second.

By Longtime Braves Fan

June 15, 2006 11:40 AM | Link to this

I miss that great team leadership the Braves use to have. Julio Franco supplied great team leadership and was one who the team could look up to in the time of need. The Braves will be okay.

By peter

June 15, 2006 11:40 AM | Link to this

Yes Yankee Fan is right…….and I root for the BoSox……HA HA HA……ask the Yankees and their fans how they enjoyed winning with David Justice!

By poofcloud

June 15, 2006 11:42 AM | Link to this

Practically no one on the team can hit. Maybe it is time to get a new hitting coach. They are not hearing Terry anymore. And keep McCann away from him!

By Mike

June 15, 2006 11:43 AM | Link to this

Yankee FAN, what does this have to do with race? Ridiculous and immature.

By student

June 15, 2006 11:45 AM | Link to this

Excuse me for just a second while I explain to Gary about how we might want to occasionly do a little research or think a little before he posts.

Here’s the stupidest lineup I’ve seen lately. Bat Giles 2nd next year 1 free agent/trade-of 2 C.Jones-3b 3 LaRhoce-1b-or free agent 4 A.Jones-of 5 Francour-of 6 free agent/trade-of 7 rentira 8 McCann-c 9 Hudson,Hampton, closer—-Smoltz

You want Renteria batting 7th?!? That .328 avg not working for you? We have him under contract for two years and are getting a great price since Boston is paying part of his salary. And McCann batting 8th?! He’d be leading the lead in BA if he hadn’t missed too many games when he was hurt. He’s probably the best pure hitter on the team and you want him in the 8th spot? You want Laroche batting 3rd? or the always popular free agent/trade? I’d prefer Thorman if he’s ready, but put him back in 7th. And Smoltz isn’t going to close again because he doesn’t want to. Its strange how people somehow see this as an example of selfishness. He’s in the last year of his career next year and he wants to start, he can do it reasonably well still, so get off that idea.

As far as Giles the Braves need to decide whether they want to keep Giles or Betemit. Betemit is being wasted as a utility infielder and pinch hitter. He’s good enough to start for someone. So either trade Giles and start him, or trade Betemit and get good value for him. I’d actually prefer trading Giles, I think we could probably get better value for him, but either way we may as well make a decision. But this lineup is really, really dumb. Try watching baseball or looking at stats or something before you try to make idiotic suggestions.

By Oh Sure

June 15, 2006 11:46 AM | Link to this

OK, so the Braves need relief pitching, maybe another solid starter—but what major league team doesn’t? It’s not simply a case of “trade this guy” or “go out and sign this guy.” Braves ownership ain’t the same as, say, Yankees ownership.

By Q. A. Should

June 15, 2006 11:46 AM | Link to this

Obivious? Everyone is trying to hit a 3 run homer. Francouer, if its thrown he’ll swing at it. Oh and by the way, don’t they teach hit the cutoff man in little league? Andruw, if breaking balls are what they are throwing; “DON’T SWING”. Mr. C. Jones take the chew out of your mouth and play baseball. The bullpen, the pitching, and the pitch selection is in desparate need of an EXTREME MAKEOVER!!!

Mr. Cox, I love to death, I’m still suffering from the heart break of the mircle Mets of ‘69. Yes I rejoiced in ‘91, then cried at 7th game of the World Series. Hybeck pulling Gant off base. Gant breaking his leg in the off season. Justice winning the World Series in ‘95, and then being traded. Wholers grooving a pitch in ‘96. And finally getting to see a World Series game in person in ‘99, and getting a sinking feeling that it was a wasted $150 bucks.

I’ve been a Braves fan since ‘66. I quit using AOL when I found out the service was less than diserable. Today, I wonder where the future is going. If they go to the playoff I will be there to cheer. If don’t win I will be one of the first ones to say “Wait Until Next Year”.

By will

June 15, 2006 11:48 AM | Link to this

Chipper is the face of the franchise as is Andruw. Remlinger CANNOT talk about him like that, hes as bad as feetsma everytime he come in you know were done. Why should he blame chipper when he gave up TWO baserunners with no outs . All 25 had to do is get the ball to the outfield with 1 out and giles on third and that one run game would have been over in 9. If a trade happens fine but i want to see something happen to that lineup tonight.

By Jamie

June 15, 2006 11:51 AM | Link to this

Chipper is the most overrated of all the overrated Braves. Terence Moore’s recent column suggesting that he might end up in the Hall of Fame was laughable. Last night’s wave at the ball and clubhouse dash only proves that. A Hall of Famer makes the play, or at least hangs around to own up to it.

By Don

June 15, 2006 11:54 AM | Link to this

 These posts are distressing.  I get all of my information from our television and radio guys.  They never say anything negative about the team, its players, or its management.  There are, according to them, reasons (excuses) for all of this poor performance.  Are they telling us the truth or are they really highly paid  prostitutes?  I am beginning to believe that Skip, Chip, Joe, Pete, Don, et als. are not telling us everything we need to know.  How about trading all of them for Marty Brennaman and Joe Nuxhall (Reds announcers).  I guarantee you we would get rid of all the candy coating.

By Yankee FAN

June 15, 2006 11:55 AM | Link to this

IF you dont think racism is STILL a problem your living in La La LAND. They have Edgar Andruw Brian and Betmett thats it. And That WONT get it done. NO speed. NO power. No coaching. Leo is being missed reaaaaaaaaaaaaal bad.

By Q

June 15, 2006 11:57 AM | Link to this

Once and for all. This could turn out to be a banner year in sports for the state. We’ve got Tech and UGA in the CWS, and either could win it all, this fall, between the hedges, Richt’s boyz are going 13-0, behind the best defense in the nation, and Mora’s boyz will return to the NFC championship game, (behind the best defense in the world “on paper”) before being edged by Bill and T.O. Wasn’t there a good hockey team in Gwinnett or something? Anyway, that leaves the Hawks and the Bravos! Well, the Bravos anyway. All they need are a leadoff hitter and a closer, middle reliever, or starter who is decent. Soriano, Soriano, Soriano, and a good arm equals 15 in a row!!!

GO REGISTER TO VOTE IF YOU HAVEN’T ALREADY! IT IS YOUR CIVIC DUTY!

-P.S.- I even thank (think) with a drawl….

By will

June 15, 2006 11:58 AM | Link to this

what play was to be made? to catch the ball he had to come off the bag. that leaves bases loaded w/ no outs. he should have went to first. if its a good throw whos to say abercrombie isnt safe anyway. your not even a braves fan if you were you would back the faces of your franchise(chipper, andruw, frenchy, mccann, renteria). you my fellow “fan” are overrated.

By ugadawg

June 15, 2006 11:58 AM | Link to this

Why in God’s name would we want to move Chipper to 1st base? If last night taught people nothing, it taught us that first base is not an easy position to play. Had Chipper been a first baseman, he might have caught the ball last night, though the guy still would have been safe.

LaRoche is not the problem here. Other than that one lazy play, he plays some of the most solid first base I’ve ever seen. The man has a 992 Fielding Percentage for God’s sake. And his strikouts? Annoying, but he still doesn’t have as many as Andruw, Franceour, or Langerhans. He has a better BA than our leadoff man, and he’s third on the team in RBIs. Not the problem.

All of you who will defend Cox till the bitter end….yes we’ve gone to the post-season 14 straight years. But how much does that really matter? In the same stretch, the Marlins have won twice as many WC as we have. After their first, they gutted the team, and still were able to rebuild and win another. All this with some of the lowest payrolls in the majors. You people want to complain about the Braves’ payroll? It’s actually $90mil, which is 8th in the league. The Marlins, as a contrast, is $14.

Fact is, major changes need to be done with the lineup. You can’t keep marching the same lineup out there and expect different results. Bat McCann cleanup, and bat Andruw 5th, cause he isn’t hitting. Put Betemit at second as the leadoff man. The man goes 3 for 4 in his only chance at second this year, and he gets benched for his effort the next game. That’s poor managing no matter how you look at it.

By michael

June 15, 2006 11:58 AM | Link to this

Jamie what league did you play in T-ball get a life

By Sam

June 15, 2006 12:01 PM | Link to this

Yes, it’s time to pass the torch to the Mets, it’s also time to let Bobby Cox go, should have been done years ago.

By Carole King

June 15, 2006 12:01 PM | Link to this

I will not give up on the Braves. They are my team and even though they are having a hard time now, we need to focus on whatis important. We need to win games ya’ll. We need hits and one person or two people can’t do it. Andruw brought us through last year with Chipper being out. They are both in the came with new players and we still can’t get it. We can win games, let’s do it.

By Mr. Met

June 15, 2006 12:02 PM | Link to this

The run is over… give up, lay down, Braves fans.

Let’s Go Mets.

By Carl

June 15, 2006 12:02 PM | Link to this

Bare bones budget? Bargain basement team? Are you fans blind?

The Braves have the 9th highest payroll in baseball at $92.5 million — just $8 million less than the Mets! (Source: ESPN)

Schuerholz has been a great GM, but no one is perfect. Put the blame on him, but stop crying poverty for pete’s sake. It sounds stupid.

By Mike

June 15, 2006 12:03 PM | Link to this

Yes there is still racism, but if you think a large business (such as the Braves) is willing to risk customers and profits because of racism, then you’re an idiot. By the way, there are Hispanics on the team, too. Idiot.

By PoliticalMan

June 15, 2006 12:03 PM | Link to this

The Braves got lucky last yr. The rookies bailed out BC and JS. Does anyone recall Jordan and Modesi starting in the OF. Farnsworth was a lucky find. Where is he now - oh yeah, he wanted money. Francouer had a lucky 30 game run.

Now reality has come home to roost. Watching Andru and Frenchy wave pathetically at pitches with the bases loaded says it all. The Braves are not underachieving. They’ve got sub .500 talent. Chipper is all about his “numbers.” That guy may be the most uninspired and uninspiring so-called superstar of all time.

By Long-time Fan

June 15, 2006 12:04 PM | Link to this

The problem is just a lack of desire and spirit. It’s as if they don’t even consider themselves a team anymore. Move Smoltz back to the closer role…he wants to be starter, be he’s not even doing well with that now. Get rid of the slower than Sid Bream first baseman and move Chipper to first and put Betimet at 3B. Sounds crazy…but anything to get the hot bats in the game. Frenchy ought to be benched for his pathetic hitter’s eye last night at the end…he’d swing a 6-foot fast ball if he’s got two strikes.

I’ve been pulling for the Braves all my life…even when they were awful, but this is the worst I’ve seen them…just no character, no fight, no spirit at all. I give anything to have Ted back in charge of the purse-strings.

By Mike

June 15, 2006 12:05 PM | Link to this

By the way, your comments are those of a stereotypical racist. There is no need for that here or anywhere.

By Grant, C

June 15, 2006 12:05 PM | Link to this

Who the heck is Mike Remlinger to snap on Chipper? a sub par middle age reliever at the end of his career is what he is. I can deal with his pothetic pitching, but not putting the blame on the teams franchise player. Chipper will be the reason the Braves win the wild card and go to the sereis.

By Tyler

June 15, 2006 12:06 PM | Link to this

Chipper will be in the hall of fame, and so will Andruw Jones. That’s a fact. Are Chipper’s best years behind him? Yes. Has Andruw Jones put up big numbers against below-average pitching in primarily non-cluth situations? Yep. His defense will cinch the vote, though.

I hate to admit this, but if you really think about it, this team is not much different than last year’s team (or many of the last 14 teams). The only significant personnell difference? Leo Mazzone. Say what you will, but the Braves have not played this bad since 1990, the last season without him (He was hired mid-way through the season). It can’t be a coincidence.

By Carole King

June 15, 2006 12:07 PM | Link to this

I will not give up on the Braves. They are my team and even though they are having a hard time now, we need to focus on whatis important. We need to win games ya’ll. We need hits and one person or two people can’t do it. Andruw brought us through last year with Chipper being out. They are both in the came with new players and we still can’t get it. We can win games, let’s do it.

By YANKEE FAN

June 15, 2006 12:08 PM | Link to this

Well thats exactly what they are doing IDIOT. Lets see how many people are in the stands when the BRAVOS are 20 games back Idiot. And Hispanics dont count. Hell they let 127 million of them drive into the country. IDIOT . LOL

By Gary

June 15, 2006 12:10 PM | Link to this

Wow, reading some of these comments reminded me why I usually skip this page. A team wins 15 championships in a row under the outstanding leadership of the best GM and Manager in baseball. We all knew it couldn’t/wouldn’t last forever. Who really expected any team to do what they have done? Yet the minute the team struggles, so-called fans and amateur coaches start pointing fingers about what’s wrong with the team. Get a Life! You know these guys are playing as hard as they can and you know that Bobby and John know what they’re doing. They’ll find a way to straighten things out and even if they don’t win the division this year, so what. I’m still a fan and I still love watching them play.

By Mike

June 15, 2006 12:12 PM | Link to this

By the way, for all those who believe its Pendleton’s, McDowell’s, or Cox’s fault for their play this year, forget it. These guys are supposed to be major league players. They are supposed to know what to do and look for their coaches advice for certain situation, or opinions. It is the task of the minor league coaches to get them prepared and taught the basics of the game. Over the past several years the Braves have had many ‘prospects’ wither away or be traded and never do much good (i.e. Bruce Chen, Jermaine Dye, Jung Bong, etc.). It all starts with the scouts and minor league managers.

By will

June 15, 2006 12:13 PM | Link to this

ray, mcbride, paronto, remlinger, feetsma, the bullpen THAT IS THE PROBLEM.

By Colin Christopher

June 15, 2006 12:14 PM | Link to this

Unbelievable…after 14 incredible years, the Braves have a crappy first third to the season and everybody jumps on Bobby Cox. You people are unreal. Where was all this passion for the Braves when they were actually playing well? Nobody was around then…you all just waited to moan and complain when they started playing bad.

And to the Yankees fan who thinks the braves are missing Leo…c’mon, dude. Baltimore (where Leo works now) has the second-worst team ERA in the AL and the fourth worst batting average against in the AL. They don’t miss Leo…they miss having a bunch of quality starters who don’t get hurt. Trade Giles while he has some value. Let Betemit play every day. Keep playing Chipper, he’ll come around. And never, never let Edgar go.

By will

June 15, 2006 12:16 PM | Link to this

i would love to have jermaine dye on this team MIKE.

By Dude

June 15, 2006 12:17 PM | Link to this

With all of this talk about revamping the Braves roster, let me offer a proposed line-up to bring back some spark back to Atlanta…

P-John Rocker-We should let him pitch every single game, regardless of the opponent or score. C-Jermaine Dupri 1B-Jose Canseco 2B-Ted Turner SS-Jeff Blauser 3B-Jane Fonda RF-C Lo CF-Deion Sanders LF-Vick/Otis Nixon

Before long, JS will be resorting to having a player in the dugout named “Superstation” like Turner did in the late 70s. We’re terrible.

By Mike

June 15, 2006 12:18 PM | Link to this

So its only black and white, right Yankee FAN? So if the Braves traded for Pujols (I know it would never happen) you still wouldn’t be happy? Get a life and quit blaming your misery on racism and discrimination. You’re just worthless.

By Judy

June 15, 2006 12:20 PM | Link to this

You folks don’t know the real story behind this organization. They all to include John Schuerholtz only care about themselves - not their players, nor their employees or their fans.

What a joke!

By Charlie

June 15, 2006 12:21 PM | Link to this

wEL, THE ONLY BRIGHT SPOT IN THIS WHOLE BLASTED YEAR IS BRIAN MCCANN. THIS KID IS ONE TO BE PROUD OF. SORT OF LIKE TONY GWINN, WHO WASTED A POTENTIALLY SUPER CAREER PLAYING FOR THE PADRES. I HOPE THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN TO MCCANN.

By will

June 15, 2006 12:21 PM | Link to this

anybody heard anything about the power hitting 2b marcus giles to anywhere for any 2 pitchers trade yet.

By Klesko Fan

June 15, 2006 12:22 PM | Link to this

The Bobby Cox bashing has got to stop. We wouldn’t be the spoiled Braves fans we are without him. 14 straight people, 14 straight!!! Do I want this streak to continue? Of course. But remember the earlier years - again we have been spoiled! Fixes needed for the Braves:

1. Dump Remlinger, he is no longer the dominant Lefty middle Reliever of past.

2. Dump Pratt, he hasn’t swung the freakin’ bat all year and does not call a good game. Seems that he is almost enjoying watching the Braves in this slump. This guy is a cyst! Bring up Pena for good.

3. Move Sosa to Bullpen (maybe even try him as the Closer). He is super competitive and would probably excell as the Closer and some time pinch-hitter!

4. Make the team watch Major League and make sure the veterans focus on the Dorn character, the pampered 3B.

5. Try someone else at Leadoff, Marcus obviously doesn’t like it and we need his bat in the line-up where it can be productive. How about: Diaz/Langy-Renteria-Giles-AJones-CJones-McCann-Francouer-LaRoche-Pitcher? Suggestions?

Let’s go Braves - time for one of those patented pre All-Star Break winning streaks.

By carl

June 15, 2006 12:22 PM | Link to this

I think it is time to dismantle the Braves. It has long been a team built to win division championships. Now, they cannot do that anymore. Time to trade either or both the Jones’ and get some pitching for the future. Betemit can play third. Trade Giles, and anyone we have can play better than him. AND GET A FIRST BASEMNAN!

By greg

June 15, 2006 12:23 PM | Link to this

Random thoughts on the Braves Skipper:

Does a pitcher prefer having the skipper repeatedly leave you in games when it is clear you are in major trouble, only to face walking off the mound after the game is totally out of reach?

After duplicating the line up card from the previous game, the Braves seem to be on autopilot.

I said it the first time watching a Yankees vs. Braves World Series: while Torre was managing the game, Cox was watching the game.

By Mike

June 15, 2006 12:24 PM | Link to this

Will, I’ll admit he’s better than all of our LF’s, but he’s never lived up to the hype that was built up while he was ‘in the system.’ Yes I know he’s had injuries too. And yes he’s had some productive seasons. Maybe I’ll take him back. But there have been far more. Even Betemit has done better in the majors than he was in AAA. Thats my point, they are hyped up and stall in the upper levels of the minors, then get somewhat back on track in the majors. Even Frenchy did better in the bigs last year than he was doing at AA Mississippi.

By Yankee FAN

June 15, 2006 12:26 PM | Link to this

Yep Mikey thats its. Its that simple. I dont care what the BRAVES do hence the name Yankess FAN. Im loving the fact that its got your panties all up in a WAD. And the BRAVES going through a MAJOR suckfest right now is fine by me. And the Dingleberrys of the world like urself is why RACSIM is STILL a problem. LOL. Have a NICE Day.

By Hadden Knough

June 15, 2006 12:27 PM | Link to this

My wife hates Chipper. So, yes, Chipper is the problem

By will

June 15, 2006 12:30 PM | Link to this

red sox 2004 world champions STANKEES 1999 world champions sox sox sox go sox

By Zerevon

June 15, 2006 12:31 PM | Link to this

No one emphasizes that we have no LEADER on this team, none, not Chipper,not Andrew unfortunately not Smoltz..! We need a FIRE like we had back in 1993.. remember folks when McGriff arrived..well true fans know what happened after that the whole town was on fire…and we went on the win the WS in 95.. That is what we need McGriff kind of fire…a player we need who would come here and will start a spark. We need that more than ever…GO BRAVES

By CarolinaMike

June 15, 2006 12:32 PM | Link to this

You know, for a Mets fan, this is the definition of the word Schadenfreude.

By Brian D Hypes

June 15, 2006 12:34 PM | Link to this

I cannot for the life of me believe the critisim of Chipper,Bobby Cox and the rest of the team including the best GM in the game today.Can any of these Johnny-Come -Latelies remeber when the Braves were eliminated by Tax return day.No wonder Atlanta has the reputation of America’s Worst Spots Town.

By Tomahawk SEEYA

June 15, 2006 12:35 PM | Link to this

Actually Colin the Orioles are about to have the WORST era in the league, the Mets are coming to town.

By will

June 15, 2006 12:35 PM | Link to this

any word that trade yet?

By big dog

June 15, 2006 12:36 PM | Link to this

If the Falcons made it to the playoffs as regularly as the Braves, would there be this kind of finger pointing? I don’t think so. I am talking about some fans, not the players.

By will

June 15, 2006 12:42 PM | Link to this

you guys are horrible. im 27 i was 12 when i cried when puckett hit that homerun in the 10th off liebrandt in game 6 and the very next night the greatest ws game ever when smoltz piched his arm off. what im saying is if you were there then you should stick by this franchise now they will make a move. we might not win the division but we will win the wild card and a wild card i BELIEVE has won the last 3 World Series.

By Tomahawk SEEYA

June 15, 2006 12:42 PM | Link to this

I think McGriffs available. Give him a call.

By Mets Stink

June 15, 2006 12:43 PM | Link to this

I’ve seen a couple of people call Chipper a definite Hall of Famer. Do you know how stupid that is? He’s been a really good player who had one great year. And, yes, he’s the face of the franchise, but he’s no hall of famer. He’ll get in the HOF about the same time Dale Murphy gets in.

By nathan

June 15, 2006 12:44 PM | Link to this

Imagine the Prospects we would get and how dominating the team would be in 2 or 3 years if we moved these guys:

Giles

Renteria

Chipper (if he would accept)

Andruw

LaRoche (sombody needs late inning defense)

Hudson

Smoltz (Detroit would JUMP - and he would accept, if a fire sale was in place)

Hampton (as a player to be named later - I don’t think teams can trade players on the DL, but make sombody take him with Smoltz or Chipper)

Don’t get me wrong, I would love Smoltz and Chipper to finish up their careers as Braves. But it makes no sense to keep these guys around at their current salaries.

This team needs to be gutted - BIG TIME!

You people out there keep b*tching about the payroll. The payroll is not the problem, how we spend what limitations we have on the payroll is.

Smoltz, Chipper, Andruw, Hapmton (even with insurance) & Hudson take up over half of the Braves “payroll”. JUst look at those players salaries to explain why there wasn’t any money left over for the bullpen. So once you’ve analyzed those numbers, ask yourself……Is any one of those players doing ANYTHING to justify keeping them around at high dollar ammounts to not have any money left for depth, and or bullpen help?

Everybody all together now…….HELL NO!

Maybe Smoltz….but he can’t do it alone.

Hudson has been a bust….I don’t care about the recent success…..he was supposed be the leader of the staff…..BUST!

Hampton was a gamble that looked like it might work out OK, but over all…..BUST!

Renteria has been everything we hoped he would be. but he’s not a spring chicken anymore, so is he worth building a team around with all of the young middle infield prospects we have? He might be, since he takes the right approach at the plate (maybe he could be player/hitting coach! LOL!)

Andruw…..don’t get me started with Mr. Inconsistant. Yeah, yeah, yeah…..he plays great defense. So did Gary Petis!!!! Francoeur could play close to as good of defense in CF as Andruw for a lot less money. And before you talk about Andruws “BIG” numbers from last year (FLUKE!), think about this: what kind of numbers do you think Francoeur will put up over the next 5 years?….here’s my guess:

.250 - 265 Ave 30-40 Hr’s 90-110 RBI’s 150 K’s Possible Gold Glove yearly

Sound familliar? (for the record those are about the same numbers Dale Murphy put up throughout his career - granted in a different pitching decade)

Diaz couldn’t possibly do any worse than Langerhans in LF, we certainly would get other OF prospects with these trades.

Chipper is past his prime and severely OVERPAID (even with the restructure) Are you telling that Betemit couldn’t and wouldn’t put up the same kind of “numbers” CJ is putting up right now.

Bobby will never play guys that should be playing when his “favorites” are still on the roster. To me, management and ownership has to step in and say play the best players. I’m sorry, I love Chipper and appreciate all that he has done for the team, but it’s time to move on.

What if the Braves would have continued playing Dale Murphy out there everyday, with David Justice sitting on the bench? Maybe Justice didn’t turn out to be the player Murphy was over the long haul, but you have to play who is better RIGHT NOW!!!!! and that player is Betemit!

I’ve said it before, I’m also a Chiefs fan in football. So what if Priest Holmes hadn’t got hurt last year? What if he stayed healthy for the next 2 or 3 years? Would Larry Johnson have sat on the bench waiting to play? If Dick Vermiel was still coach, you better believe he would have! What a shame!

Maybe Bobby is a great manager, maybe he isn’t. But his loyalty is ridiculous!

Anybody else dumps Reitsma long ago, Jordan wouldn’t have made the club with another manager, Langerhans would be on the pine and Giles wouldn’t be in the leadoff spot.

How about for the sake of playing the “hot hand” we put Diaz in left field everyday & bat him leadoff? I know he won’t steal bases, but who cares, he would be on base for Renteria.

If this team does nothing in the way of trades to “try” to improve the team, here is my lineup for the time being.

Betemit 2B

Renteria SS

McCann C

Diaz LF

Chipper 3B

Andruw CF

Thorman 1B

Francoeur RF

Just a thought. I’ll shut up now, I’ve rambled too long.

By rublowhard

June 15, 2006 12:45 PM | Link to this

The Mets Suck,The Braves Suck, Go Phillies! Phillies will win it this year.

By JOHN M

June 15, 2006 12:45 PM | Link to this

Wait until after the 4th of July then I’ll bash with you but for now I STILL BELIEVE.

By CarolinaMike

June 15, 2006 12:46 PM | Link to this

The Braves are going to win the wild card now? There are EIGHT teams in front of y’all. (And Cincy, LA, and Houston are looking good.)

By fairyboy

June 15, 2006 12:51 PM | Link to this

The Mets suck look at their payroll,the Braves suck and look at their payrol,my boys and i suck for a lot cheaper price.

By Doug

June 15, 2006 12:54 PM | Link to this

Start clesring house-Giles has got to go-Had one solid year, get rid of the whole bullpen bring up the minors it can’t get any worse with the bullpen

By Aaron B

June 15, 2006 12:54 PM | Link to this

Trade Marcus Giles for pitching and play Wilson Betimet!!!!!!

By robdawg06

June 15, 2006 12:57 PM | Link to this

You Cox sheeple don’t remember the losing years he managed the Braves and Bluejays to in the late 70’s and early 80’s do you ? You only remember the 14 straight he won because of mainly Maddux,Glavine,Smoltz,Chipper,Andruw,Javy,Justice,and McGriff. Well Maddux was replaced by Hudson. McCann adequately replaced Javy. Glavine hasn’t been replaced and neither has McGriff or Justice. And even thru those great years the Braves relied on scrubs in the bullpen like Wohlers,A.Pena,J.Bereguer,Remlinger,Rocker,etc. Is it a sin for the Braves toget a real closer with a track record (like Smoltz) ?

By will

June 15, 2006 12:57 PM | Link to this

if we dont make the playoffs i think the world will come to an end.

By Akagi

June 15, 2006 01:01 PM | Link to this

What is with all this delusional talk about the Braves as a Wild Card? At this rate, the Braves won’t even win 50 games. They are playing sub .200 ball right now. If the Reds cooled to play .500 ball, the Braves would have to go .583 the rest of the way. Do you think the Braves can play .583 ball for 96 games when they haven’t won two games in a row in a month? I don’t. They can’t even win two in a row against teams that are below .500. Just wait and see what happens when the Bosox and Jays finish with them.

By robdawg06

June 15, 2006 01:01 PM | Link to this

I like this lineup :

Betemit 2B Renteria SS Chipper 3B Andruw CF Francoeur RF McCann C Diaz LF Thorman 1B

By Pantherssuck

June 15, 2006 01:01 PM | Link to this

I say the Braves trade LaRoche for a bag of sunflower seeds, bring back Gerald Perry to play 1st base. Trade Langerhans for a JUGS machine, bring back Albert Hall to play LF. Find out what Joe Hesketh, Juan Berenguer and Jeff Parrott are doing these days and insert them into the bullpen…can’t get any worse, right?

By will

June 15, 2006 01:02 PM | Link to this

feetsma is his name givin up runs is his game.

By out of town fan

June 15, 2006 01:03 PM | Link to this

You guys are all pathetic. Bobby Cox has the longest streak of winning division/conference championships in the history of sports so lets quit acting like he’s a bum. The Braves are at a low point they have not reached in over a decade and a half and everybody wants to flush the team down the toilet. Nobody was whining in years past about unsuccesful GM and manager. No one though our farm system was mismanaged last year with the baby braves. Let’s quit acting like we are watching the hawks here. The is a team with a recent tradition of winning and of class. You all sound like a bunch of sore losers.

Now, the Braves do need some serious changes to take place, but most of them are mental. Stop playing like every man for himself and start caring about the guys to the left and right of you. Finger pointing is pointless and stupid. I am a Conyers native removed to Dayton, OH where I am in the thick of Reds country. I hated Reitsma here and when he went to Atlanta I knew trouble would follow. Regardless, the fans of these hapless Reds would step in front of a bus for their team even when they are in last place instead of throwing them under it. So grow up and get some perspective on things. You sound like spoiled brats who didn’t get the toy they wanted for Christmas .

By nathan

June 15, 2006 01:04 PM | Link to this

I was typing too much, so I forgot to add some reality to my above post:

I realize that with ownership changing hands, that NONE of the guys will get traded. That would “de-value” the franchise.

So more than likely JS will consult with Bobby, and the two of them will give us some BS story about how they’re “still in it”. Then JS will give up good prospects (probably Salty, Thorman, Betemit and Startup) for a bunch of nobodies that won’t help us get anywhere this year. Then after all of the players in my previous post go on to have MISERABLE years, nobody will want them in the offseason (or at least they won’t give as much for them). So come spring training will will have a team that looks much the same. Except we will be “on the hook” for all of Hamptons salary (14.5 million?) so that means 3 or for other players will have to go, so the team will be even worse than it is now. But JS and Bobby will be preaching how “competitive” the Braves will be. What a JOKE!

I also realize that making all of these trades would mean that as fans we would have to “take our lumps” with some baseball that might be hard to watch at times. What do you think we are going through right now?

I say, dump the high salaries and give us some young hope to root for. I would love to be watching the Marlins right now. Just the way I loved watching the 89 & 90 Braves teams. You could feel somthing good was about to happen with that nucleus. I can’t say the same about this group.

The transition could damn near be seamless if they “get rid” of the right players and raid other teams farm systems.

I’m not sure what the Yankees have in the way of prospects to grab, but are you tellin’ me the Boss wouldn’t overspend to get Andruw in CF for the Yanks? And that Detroit wouldn’t give about anything to have hometown boy Smoltz leading that staff in the post season?

Sombody would take Hudson off our hands. Same with Giles and Chipper. Look what the Diamondbacks did with Ortiz. There is a good story on ESPN’s website about “eating” salary. It basically says don’t compound “overpaying” for a player with the mistake of playing that overpaid player over a more qualified player waiting in the wings. It cheats the fans and the younger player of what should be!

But I can dream, can’t I?

By richard nixon

June 15, 2006 01:04 PM | Link to this

This is all part of a huge conspiracy by Bush!! He is using special secret weapons to control the players

By out of town fan

June 15, 2006 01:04 PM | Link to this

You guys are all pathetic. Bobby Cox has the longest streak of winning division/conference championships in the history of sports so lets quit acting like he’s a bum. The Braves are at a low point they have not reached in over a decade and a half and everybody wants to flush the team down the toilet. Nobody was whining in years past about unsuccesful GM and manager. No one though our farm system was mismanaged last year with the baby braves. Let’s quit acting like we are watching the hawks here. The is a team with a recent tradition of winning and of class. You all sound like a bunch of sore losers.

Now, the Braves do need some serious changes to take place, but most of them are mental. Stop playing like every man for himself and start caring about the guys to the left and right of you. Finger pointing is pointless and stupid. I am a Conyers native removed to Dayton, OH where I am in the thick of Reds country. I hated Reitsma here and when he went to Atlanta I knew trouble would follow. Regardless, the fans of these hapless Reds would step in front of a bus for their team even when they are in last place instead of throwing them under it. So grow up and get some perspective on things. You sound like spoiled brats who didn’t get the toy they wanted for Christmas .

By Kman

June 15, 2006 01:06 PM | Link to this

To all the Mets fans: This run of the past 15 or so games obviously looks awful familiar to the last 35 yrs for you guys. Get a grip already. There is still plenty of time left for you guys to choke. I’d be much happier with a wild card birth myself and win from there. And for the idiot Yankees guy calling Braves a racist team, your Yankees are just filled with African Americans aren’t they? Whatever putz. Also, I have been in the Stands at Yankee stadium in the mid 70’s when the Yankees truly sucked and nobody was in the stands either. You can buy anyone and still suck. BTW, don’t forget you still have the biggest choke in history from 2 yrs back to the Bosox after being up 3 zip. Go Red Sox!

By nathan

June 15, 2006 01:07 PM | Link to this

robdawg06

I agree, the batting order is up for debate, but it seems we agree on the players.

I don’t always think you need a POWER hitter in the cleanup spot. Somebody to drive in runs is all I want.

Contact, and clutch! I think Diaz fits that bill. Who knows over the long haul, but give him a shot.

By Richard

June 15, 2006 01:07 PM | Link to this

Mike Remlinger doesn’t have the credentials to question or criticise Chipper Jones on any play. As a Marlins fan I believe Chipper Jones is one of the great players in baseball, and can only be criticized by his manager. A true Marlins fan has lots of respect for other ballplayers and there is none better than Chipper. So Remlinger screwed up the play..he can shut ta’ hell up!

By insiderguy

June 15, 2006 01:11 PM | Link to this

Just hear a sports talk show that said this info came from a top Braves assistant,Giles,Sosa,minor league catcher Carlos Mendez and minor league pitcher donovan Jackson to the Astros for Brad Lidge and Chad Qualls,said this trade will be announced tomorrow.waiting to make sure Lidge passws physical.said that is the key to this deal.

By JJ

June 15, 2006 01:13 PM | Link to this

Smoltz is a selfish player who obviously doesn’t care about winning. If he cared, he would be in the bullpen where we NEED him. A starter is a lot easier to find than a good closer. Because we have Chuck “Cy” James!

By 59bulldawg

June 15, 2006 01:14 PM | Link to this

Despite his number of wins, Cox is at best a mediocre manager who, for much of his career, has benefitted from managing teams with exceptional talent. Hell my grandma could managed some of his Braves teams to 85 wins and she don’t know beans about baseball! Whoever said it earlier is right … Cox is the most over-rated manager in the game today and probably of all time. But aside from his strange insistance that Reitsma be the closer and that Giles be the leadoff hitter and a few other management quirks so ably mentioned above, I’m afraid the majority of the blame has to go to Time Warner who wants to get as much as they can from the Braves without putting anything in. I’m talking about giving JS a budget for player salaries that will allow him to compete with other teams for free agents. You know it’s a friggin shame that MLB allows corporate ownership because the Braves are exhibit A for how a good team can be virtually ruined by a bunch of pencil neck bean counting corporate geeks who care only about the bottom line. I’m not advocating that we spend ourselves into oblivian. But please give us an owner that at least understands the economic dynamics of the sport … someone who’s a fan of the game and knows what it takes to win. Someone with a local connection … someone like an Arthur Blank. Unfortunately things are only going to get worse if the Braves are sold to Liberty. Pretty soon it’ll be just like the “bad ol days” when you could buy a ticket and pretty much sit any where you wanted. Thanks alot Time Warner and Bud Selig!

By jm

June 15, 2006 01:14 PM | Link to this

I’m with you out of town fan. I haven’t read all of the blogs but the ones I have read are pathetic. This is a young team that could just as easily start a new 14 division title streak a year or two from now and most you can’t show even a little bit of patience. I don’t like seeing these guys struggle but they are all learning and playing their hardest. They may make “millions” but they are human. As for Bobby, luckily he is too smart to read the paper. Keep doing what you’re doing Bobby.

By will

June 15, 2006 01:14 PM | Link to this

are you seriuos ? terrible trade!

By Q

June 15, 2006 01:16 PM | Link to this

Seven words:

Al-Fon-So So-Ri-A-No!!!

By Joe C

June 15, 2006 01:16 PM | Link to this

LOL 12 Games back and counting…and now they’re starting to unravel too. Serves you fans right…you can’t even sell out Turner Field for a playoff game, you’re so spoiled. There will be no rabbits out of Cox’s hat this year…

By BAseball Nut

June 15, 2006 01:17 PM | Link to this

I don’t think it matters if Rem just threw it away or Chipper missed it or what. The way its gone for the last 2 1/2 weeks we would not have gotten out of the inning anyway. It would have been runners on 1st and 2nd with just one out. Can anyone remember the last time we got out of a mess like that without giving up the winning runs.

By Jimmy Etheridge

June 15, 2006 01:17 PM | Link to this

I can’t help but think that the Braves would not be in quite as bad a shape standings-wise as they are now if Smoltz was in the closer role. He doesn’t want to go back into that role (Big Me, Little Team), but just exactly who’s in charge here?

By ugadawg

June 15, 2006 01:19 PM | Link to this

Nathan, Franceour leads the majors in errors in right field with 6, and is second only to Adam Dunn in Cincinatti in all outfielders. Saying he could provide the same defense as Andruw is laughable. Plus the fact that his OBP is around .260…..that is just plain horrible. At least Andruw will take a walk once in a while. If you had said Langerhans is capable of similar defense you would have gotten no argument, but Franceour still has a ton of maturing to do before he can even be considered as a top tier player.

Mike, you want to mention the prospects that haven’t panned out….think of all the ones that didn’t do much and went elsewhere to have great careers. Jermaine Dye has a career 270 average, and is hitting 300 this year. He averages 30 hrs a year and 100 rbis. I’ll take that over Franceour or Langerhans any day.

By Jeffrey

June 15, 2006 01:20 PM | Link to this

It seems that Chipper has arrived at the same point Dale Murphy reached in the late 80s: Aging star who can no longer do what he once could do. Murph has said that it was really good for him personally yo place somewhere else after all the years in Atlanta. Chipper should follow suit.

By Brad

June 15, 2006 01:21 PM | Link to this

Give the Braves and Bobby Cox a break……No one is perfect!

By Rick

June 15, 2006 01:22 PM | Link to this

Trade John Smoltz and Adam Laroche to Boston for Kevin Youkilis and one of their pitching prospects.

By will

June 15, 2006 01:23 PM | Link to this

is that trade for real?

By Ryder

June 15, 2006 01:23 PM | Link to this

Brian D, great point. All I have to say to each and every blogger out there is this: Would you rather have the Pirates, Devil Rays or Royals? This team will get it together.

By will

June 15, 2006 01:27 PM | Link to this

is the trade for lidge trade true? why would houston trade him?

By out of town fan

June 15, 2006 01:27 PM | Link to this

Oh, yeah, and all you burger flippers, gas pump attendants, cashiers, and janitors out there acting like you know how to manage a major league baseball team, get a life.

By Doug

June 15, 2006 01:28 PM | Link to this

Trade Giles for bullpen help, betemit is solid and should be everyday player

By jrm

June 15, 2006 01:31 PM | Link to this

Mets 4, Phils 0 It just keeps getting worse.

By SeasonTix Holder from Bama

June 15, 2006 01:33 PM | Link to this

I have sent this to the Braves but did not receive any response. As a season ticket holder who drives 200 miles roundtrip, I voiced my concern about hitting. Don’t get me wrong our pitching is pathetic, but our hitting is worse. We swing at more pitches outside the strikezone than any team in both leagues. Teams have learned that you do not have to throw stikes to get strikes against this team. Example was Andruw and Francoeur striking out in the ninth. We swing at more pitches outside the strikezone than we do in the stikezone (count them-it’s amazing). When will someone pound in the players heads that it is better to be on first with a walk than in the dugout with a stikeout.

By will

June 15, 2006 01:33 PM | Link to this

lidge lidge lidge is it true?

By zep

June 15, 2006 01:36 PM | Link to this

Give me a break the Boys of Summer will pull it out. Have faith…for there is nothing worse then Fair Weather Fans.

By Mike

June 15, 2006 01:37 PM | Link to this

ugadawg, I said I’d take Dye back, but he’s not a lock for .300/30/100. Look through his career. How many times has he had that line? Yes he is better than our LF’s, but he’s also winding down in his career. I wouldn’t trade for him. It wouldn’t be long before he looked like Brian Jordan.

By Marcus Holland

June 15, 2006 01:37 PM | Link to this

I’m not a big Braves fan … but face it, the whole problem can be found in the bullpen, and the fact that Cox refuses to put his best team on the field. To turn this team around, I believe, the bullpen needs to be completely reworked and for heaveans sake get rid of Reitsma. Chipper or Betemit should be put at first base and the other at third. And, get Giles out of the lead-off spot. Come on Cox, you’re ruining that guy’s career. Put him back in the No. 2 slot. Changes like that, I believe, will get them on the winning track for the rest of the season, but this team needs a complete makeover in the offseason. But that costs money. Are the Braves willing to spend that money? Marcus Holland

By will

June 15, 2006 01:37 PM | Link to this

am i the only one who this team could actually make a move?

By dewboy

June 15, 2006 01:39 PM | Link to this

Yea, our hitting is BAD — we only had 13 hits last night and LOST. A few games ago we had 16 hits and LOST. It’s our hitting alright! I will admit this, the one thing that Remlinger and Chipper have in common is that neither one has pitched at the Major League level this year!!!

By workbt

June 15, 2006 01:40 PM | Link to this

Why don’t we have all the players walk out on the field and have the fans kick them. Reminds me of Randy Quaid in “Major League.” Did you really think it would last forever. Things can just go bad for a while. I guess the way we idolize major league ballplayers, when they slip we must demonize them. These are human beings with problems, feelings and issues and to personally attack a player is unfair, especially when Remlinger attacks a better player than he. I breathed a sigh of relief when they traded Remlinger the first time and almost cried when they got him back. No one player is at fault and no one player can fix it. The Braves have done wonderfully well with a small budget and that had to end sometime. The Braves are scoring runs, the pitchers are just giving up more. Whatever you say about Chipper, he negotiated his contract so more money would be available for pitching, etc. Did any other player offer to do that?

By Lisa

June 15, 2006 01:42 PM | Link to this

Why are y’all always looking for somebody to blame? They lost. Case closed. Move on like a real team does!

By PoliticalMan

June 15, 2006 01:43 PM | Link to this

My wife hates Chipper too. But the Braves can win with him.

One observer: the Braves are much the same team as last yr. That’s right except for Furcal, Hampton, Farnsworth, Franco, and a few. Maybe they were more important than realized. But I doubt if they are the problem.

People criticising Cox don’t have to be fair-weather or Johnnie-come-lately fans. I doubt if many saying that were sitting in Fulton-County stadium in 1966.

JS has always thought that bullpen pitchers were a dime a dozen. Guess what? Maybe not. Seondly, the Braves cannot hit. It has nothing to do with average. They can’t put the ball in play. They can’t bunt. They can’t hit behind the runner.

Cox can’t seem to pull the trigger on player decisions. Benemit should be playing full time. Giles and Leroach should be on the bench, probably Francouer too. The Jones boys are fatso’s. Horner had a contract clause that made him keep his weight down. That is not necessary. But since Cox is 75 pounds overweight, he has no authority to tell the Jones to get rid of the flab.

It seems like the opponents of the Braves are hungier and better schooled in fundamentals, especially in hitting. Maybe when you win 14 titles in row (pretend that 1993 didn’t happen when Montreal was eating up the Braves) that you don’t need fundamentals anymore. I personally hope that Cox and JS disappear. Their time is up.

By Tomahawk SEEYA

June 15, 2006 01:48 PM | Link to this

Mets 4 Phils 0, It just keeps getting better!

By Dewboy

June 15, 2006 01:49 PM | Link to this

Montreal wasn’t eating anybody up in 1993. The Braves were in the NL WEST in 1993 and were 14 games out behind the SF Giants in August and — we WON the Division that year too!!

By chris

June 15, 2006 01:51 PM | Link to this

Well I have been watching the braves since I was a kid in the 70’s and I do remember the bad old days..The days when fulton county was so empty you could move down from whatever seat you paid for to as close to the field as you could get. I am not a fair weather fan, however, there are times when some self realization is necessary. My thoughts: 1. Losing Mazzone was a bigger deal than anyone thought it would be. We have been employing the same bullpen strategy for years by saving payroll and digging up has beens and no names and miraculously turning them into something workable. Hmm I think Leo must have had something to do with that.

1. Complacency. It is Bobby’s style to always be even keel..no matter what the situation. This philosophy and his Earl Weaver 3 run homer style are fine for a long regular season. This also leads to complacent players that don’t know how to flip the switch to the next level..see postseason performance. We won in 95 in spite of this with great pitching and timely hitting.

2. I agree with many that mentioned the braves lack of plate discipline. This again reflects cox as we have always played like this. Hitters don’t work the count and are overly aggressive.

3. Apparently J.S. is trying to make some moves, but If I was a gm of a team I would like to see the braves twist as well. While I am sure they respect us I have no doubt they will be happy to see us lose. It stinks that we are owned by T. Warner and I am afraid Liberty will be the same. Just a business assett. We need an owner that wants to win at all costs!

I don’t think the season is over, but we may have more holes than JS can fill. If so It will be a good time to clean house..we could get something for giles, thompson, laroche and even chipper if we could get the right players. I would like to see Bobby go back to the front office where he did a great job of building a farm system and maybe Mazzone could mange or a young guy with some fire.

Go Braves

By murf

June 15, 2006 01:52 PM | Link to this

Remlinger has failed to perform all year. They should never have brought him back. The throw was pitiful. Chipper’s effort to catch it made it look even better than it really was.

By Dewboy

June 15, 2006 01:53 PM | Link to this

We knew it had to happen sooner or later. The Mutts finally get their act together after chasing the Braves since we were moved to the pansy NL East 13 years ago.

By gdawginkalamazoo

June 15, 2006 01:53 PM | Link to this

So, is this how the bandwagon sounds when people start jumping off?

By Tomahawk SEEYA

June 15, 2006 01:58 PM | Link to this

Kman has got to be the most deluded idiot I have ever seen. First of all, idiot, you can’t win the wild card from last place which is where you will be soon. Second, how the hell are you going to win from the WC when you couldn’t even win with division championships. Thirdly with the history of losing that the braves have (in atlanta and milwaukee and boston)I wouldn’t talk about anybody else’s. Don’t let this highly overrated streak you guys HAD fool you, in total the braves franchise has been and will continue to be a joke. Hell, you guys are a joke now even WITH the streak. 14 straight Div championships and you can’t even get out of the first round or even sell out your stadium. God forbid that they make a constitutional amendment against sleeping with your cousin and the population of atlanta drops to 24, that stadium’s really gonna be empty.

By bert

June 15, 2006 01:58 PM | Link to this

What a FREAKIN’ mess. As much as I dislike Cox, this is not all his fault. But it does prove what an overrated, so-called manager he has been. For those of you who don’t agree, you must not have been watching baseball in October for the last decade.

By insiderguy

June 15, 2006 01:58 PM | Link to this

Will, I heard this info on sports talk,as to whether it is true i don’t know,i know i heard it and it was said that the Braves were waiting to see if Lidge passes a physical,they said that was the key to the deal,the annouincer said john s has been negoiating with Houston for a few weeks to pull this deal off.i guess we will just have to wait to see if it is true.I can’t see it happening but you never know.

By Troy

June 15, 2006 01:59 PM | Link to this

Personally, I think John Smoltz should still be in the bullpen. The Braves bullpen has blown apprx 13 games. John would have saved at least 10 or more of those opportunities. He has only won 4 games as a starter. Bob you do the math!!

By Alan

June 15, 2006 02:03 PM | Link to this

First and second, no outs, top of the 9th, and your best hitter is up. The book says bunt, so Bobby bunts…instead of letting his Edgar do what he does best. Over the course of 162 games, Bobby’s “by-the-book” method has paid off with 14 straight division titles, but has failed miserably in 5-game and 7-game playoff series. This year, though, the formula isn’t working in the regualr season. If you are going to go down, Bobby, go down swinging!

By Alan

June 15, 2006 02:03 PM | Link to this

First and second, no outs, top of the 9th, and your best hitter is up. The book says bunt, so Bobby bunts…instead of letting Edgar do what he does best. Over the course of 162 games, Bobby’s “by-the-book” method has paid off with 14 straight division titles, but has failed miserably in 5-game and 7-game playoff series. This year, though, the formula isn’t working in the regualr season. If you are going to go down, Bobby, go down swinging!

By Tomahawk SEEYA

June 15, 2006 02:05 PM | Link to this

Yeah the Lidge trade is true. The Astros, just 1 week after signing Clemens to an obscene amount to make a run for the playoffs are going to dismantle their rotation before clemens even gets there by trading Brad Lidge to you. And if you believe that you also believe the braves are making the playoffs and atlanta is a real city.

By PoliticalMan

June 15, 2006 02:09 PM | Link to this

Mr. Dewman,

1. Final standings: Montreal 1st place; Braves 6 games behind.

But then you knew that or is sanctimony your game?

By diehardfan

June 15, 2006 02:10 PM | Link to this

Ha, tomahawk seeya. Dude, get some anger management help. Competition’s one thing, but you sound sick.

By Tomahawk SEEYA

June 15, 2006 02:11 PM | Link to this

First and second, no outs, top of the 9th, and your best hitter is up. The book says bunt, so Bobby bunts…instead of letting Edgar do what he does best.

Strike out?

By Jamie

June 15, 2006 02:15 PM | Link to this

Did some Chipper wannabe tell me to get a life? And, yeah, I’ve seen t-ballers make that play.

By truefan

June 15, 2006 02:15 PM | Link to this

I was a Braves fan back when they had a terrible losing streak and I was a fan all through the winning years and I am STILL a Braves fan now-whether they are winning or losing…all you naysayers suck—if you don’t like it, go root for another team!

By Bill

June 15, 2006 02:17 PM | Link to this

Why would the Astros trade for Giles when they have Biggio at second for at least one more year?

By Brave New World

June 15, 2006 02:21 PM | Link to this

We need to trade every old player on this team

By damifiknow

June 15, 2006 02:21 PM | Link to this

BOBBY PLEASE!!! Please at least move Giles out of the lead off position and get Wilson in the lineup. Make it look like you are a manager and not the crown prince of idiots you appear to be now. You have been doing stupid things for years, like having Edgar bunt last night. Somehow, you have been able to get away with it, but not this year.

By Bobbymahlon

June 15, 2006 02:23 PM | Link to this

The Braves are a team and you win as a team and you lose as a team. If you start finger pointing you can point to a lot of players that contributed to last nights loss like Renteria’s bad bunt,Andrew and Frenchy striking out with the bases loaded,poor pitching by Ray,Villereal and Remlinger and Rem and Chipper were equally responsable for the ball getting away at third. With Smoltz telling Bobby when he is going to pitch and only as a starter and Chipper telling him he is only going to play third he is losing control of the team. Maybe now is the time to make a manager change and also the general manager is doing nothing about trades or bringing up Thorman or Jurries.

By Russ

June 15, 2006 02:27 PM | Link to this

Remmy needs to get a clue .. He should have gone to first with that play anyway. The catcher should have told him that though.

Pitching is what got Atlanta 14 straight division titles. Please if anybody from upper management reads this .. Pay the money needed to get better pitching. The Braves cannot make the playoffs with a team ERA over 6.

BTW- If all of you fair weather fans would leave town and go back to where ever you moved away from, us Native Atlanta’s could get to work on time. I have been with the Braves since the 60’s. Stop bashing the Braves and head to the airport. Delta is ready when you are!! I’ll still be here in Atlanta .. a loyal Braves fan.

By nathan

June 15, 2006 02:27 PM | Link to this

ugadawg…..I’m not saying that Francoeur is the same as Andruw defensively. I think he has about the same range as andruw has. And as far as I’m concerned he has about the same speed. Andruw has slowed a bit. (there have been more balls hit over his head this year, than the last 3 years combined).

Mainly, I was getting at salary. Andruw makes 12 or 15 million (whatever it is). Frenchy makes about 300,000 (whatever league minimum is), and at the end of the year I bet their offensive stats are about the same. So, you are essentially saying that Andruws defense is worth that much more money?

If that is the case, than LaRoche is worth about half as much money as Albert P.? Cuz LaRoches defense is subperb.?

In general, all I am saying is that this team could suck just the same for about 1/4 of the cost, if they “dumped” all of the high price players. It can’t get any worse.

By "sprinkles"

June 15, 2006 02:31 PM | Link to this

CHIPPER’S PANTS ARE TOO TIGHT!!!!

He can’t even breathe, nevermind reaching for a ball!!

Dump the overpaid egomaniacs who don’t hustle or give 100% and go ahead and bring back the baby Braves.

By Tomahawk SEEYA

June 15, 2006 02:31 PM | Link to this

I think you should trade all your players for kansas city’s players. You’ll still suck, but at least you’ll save some money.

By Michael

June 15, 2006 02:32 PM | Link to this

You people in Atlanta are unbelievable, dump Chipper Jones? your nuts, he’s done more for the franchise then anybody else, dump Cox? He’s only one of the top five managers in the game. I follow the Braves from Fairbanks, ALaska, and it seems i know more about what’s going on then you do in Atlanta. Yes, they are in a bad slump, and yes some trades need to be made, but not a drastic overhaul. The people to blame for this disaster is Time Warner, not the players and not Cox and JS. While everybody else, the Mets, were signing quality players, the Braves were forced to bring in retreads like Remlinger, and use journeymen guys like Ray in key situations. Its no wonder they are loosing, it was bound to happen. Its up to you people in Atlanta to get a campaign going of some kind to convince the new owners to spend some money. If not, this is a sign of things to come.

By Ron

June 15, 2006 02:35 PM | Link to this

Yeah, NY MESS fans, the Braves only have one world championship in the last 15 years. How many do the NY MESS have in that span? How ‘bout the Cards? Reds? Cubs? Phillies? Dodgers? None, none, none, none. Even the great Red Sox only have one. See, it’s not easy. There are a lot of teams trying to win it all. By the way, how many division titles do the NY MESS have in the last 15 years? Oh, yeah, that would be NONE! You MESS fans have all been quiet all this time, and now that you’re having ONE GOOD YEAR you stand up and crow like cocks! Go home.

By Tomahawk SEEYA

June 15, 2006 02:37 PM | Link to this

Russ, is it REALLY that important that you get to your job at the piggly wiggly on time?

By Bobbymahlon

June 15, 2006 02:39 PM | Link to this

If Franceour would not swing at pitches low and out of the strike zone he would improve his batting average up to around 300. I’ll bet he has swung at ball four at least 10 times this year. Also if he would lay off those pitches he would get easier pitches to swing at. Pitchers do not have to get him out he does it to himself. He is still one of my favorite players but he is doing a good job of getting me frustrated.

By Josh

June 15, 2006 02:40 PM | Link to this

Ron, couldn’t have said it better myself

By Tomahawk SEEYA

June 15, 2006 02:45 PM | Link to this

Ron ron ron, you ignorant slut. How many division titles to the Marlins have? None. How many WS titles do the Marlins have? 2. Twice the total of your franchise’s history spanning 3 cities. That alone should make you cry.

Secondly you sound so stupid (probably look stupid too but that’s another story) comparing yourselves to historical franchises like the dodgers cards and red sox. Teams with MULTIPLE championships. And by championships I mean WORLD, the only kind that matter.

Thirdly, we get the Mess thing, is it really THAT important for you to capitalize it everytime? Do you think it’s THAT funny and clever? You do??? Hmmm… you think Jeff Foxworthy is highbrow humor don’t you? lol

By Sophia

June 15, 2006 02:51 PM | Link to this

The blame game is something I thought the Braves would never stoop low to. I can definitely see the positive in all of this. Maybe if we break this division streak, next year everyone can focus on what’s truly important…the World Series. It was fun while it lasted and I’m not even saying its over yet but we do gotta start preparing ourselves. No matter what, still love my Bravos.

By Rod

June 15, 2006 02:52 PM | Link to this

Chipper is a joke. I just saw the replay, and it looked to me as if he could have atleast caught the ball without it sailing into the bullpen. He looks as if he doesn’t care a whole lot. I saw trade him, and put Wilson at third.

By Ron

June 15, 2006 02:53 PM | Link to this

Don’t forget to capitalize SEEYA next time. You MESS fans are so gay. You even come from a place called QUEENS. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

By Head Coach

June 15, 2006 02:55 PM | Link to this

Cha-ching Cha-ching Cha-ching cha-ching , the blog bean counters are getting rich.

By shane

June 15, 2006 02:55 PM | Link to this

Several things of blame: 1. the bullpen is terrible, from mid relivers to the lack of not having a closer. 2. We need a leadoff man. 3. We need to cut down on strking out. Put the ball in play, make the opposing team earn the out.

By shane

June 15, 2006 02:56 PM | Link to this

Several things of blame: 1. the bullpen is terrible, from mid relivers to the lack of not having a closer. 2. We need a leadoff man. 3. We need to cut down on strking out. Put the ball in play, make the opposing team earn the out.

By shane

June 15, 2006 02:56 PM | Link to this

Several things of blame: 1. the bullpen is terrible, from mid relivers to the lack of not having a closer. 2. We need a leadoff man. 3. We need to cut down on strking out. Put the ball in play, make the opposing team earn the out.

By Ol' Diz

June 15, 2006 02:57 PM | Link to this

14 straight division titles and the best record in baseball since 1990….quit yer cryin’

Let’s hope a Southerner buys the team and is interested in winning…as before.

Where are you Captain Courageous?

By Ron

June 15, 2006 02:58 PM | Link to this

Red Sox? Multiple world championships? Hmm..

By Tomahawk SEEYA

June 15, 2006 02:59 PM | Link to this

So says the guy(?) from the city(?) of peaches LOL!!!

By Tomahawk SEEYA

June 15, 2006 03:04 PM | Link to this

Yes Ronnie ol’ boy, the Red Sox Franchise has 6 World Championships in it’s history. I would have thought you could find that out but that would entail you actually being able to read I guess. But at least you still have your good looks huh? Ooops sorry.

By CarolinaMike

June 15, 2006 03:05 PM | Link to this

Kman, I’m enjoying all your trash talk about the Mets choking. I seem to remember that we’ve won TWO world championships to Atlanta’s ONE. We also won the pennant more recently. Look up choking in the dictionary, and you’ll find Atlanta in the NLDS.

By Chris

June 15, 2006 03:05 PM | Link to this

Ted ! Ted ! Ted ! Do you hear us calling you?

By Brent

June 15, 2006 03:06 PM | Link to this

Excellent post (way above) Bird Dawg.

By Penn

June 15, 2006 03:06 PM | Link to this

I’ve never seen so many major league managers in one place. Wow and they are all working for free.

If Bobby bunts he’s stupid. He should have had Edgar swinging away. If he has Edgar swinging away then Bobby’s stupid; he should have been playing “small ball.” Ya can’t have it both ways.

I think the Braves management are doing this deliberately. They are trying to drive the price down so TW will sell it to Arthur. That’s gotta be the reason. I’m just happy to finally figure out why Thorman and Startup are still in Richmond and Orr and about six pitchers are still on the staff in Atlanta and Betemit is still on the bench and Marcus is still playing every day and hitting .235.

OK, give me three cheers for that very erudite conclusion.

By REY

June 15, 2006 03:06 PM | Link to this

TO ALL OF YOU WITH YOUR NEGATIVE COMMENTS. DO YOU REMEMBER THE BRAVES BASEBALL SEASON PRIOR TO 1990. LET’S NOT REPEAT THOSE DAYS. LEAVE BOBBY AND THE TEAM ALONE.

By I think with a drawl

June 15, 2006 03:10 PM | Link to this

Imagine this:

“…and now leading off, the 2006 World Series, for the Atlanta Braves, second baseman/left fielder, ALFONSO SORIANO!!!….”

By Brent

June 15, 2006 03:10 PM | Link to this

Chris,

Also a nice, well laid out post.

By Tomahawk SEEYA

June 15, 2006 03:11 PM | Link to this

Carolina, I got a question for you. You know that old tree falls in the woods questiion? Now if a team chokes in the first round of the playoffs but only half a stadium is there to see it, did they actually choke?

By Cleanuphitter16

June 15, 2006 03:13 PM | Link to this

“Ron ron ron, you ignorant slut.” —— Open with a nice dose of name calling. This should be good!

“How many division titles to the Marlins have? None. How many WS titles do the Marlins have? 2.” —— True. And? Do Mets fans consider all division titles to be meaningless and insignificant?

“Secondly you sound so stupid (probably look stupid too but that’s another story)” —— Another rather pointless personal attack. Lets see what’s next, shall we?

“comparing yourselves to historical franchises like the dodgers cards and red sox. Teams with MULTIPLE championships. And by championships I mean WORLD, the only kind that matter.” —— Oh, ok. So Mets fans DO consider division and league titles to be worthless. That has to be either Steinbrenner rubbing off on you OR a simple case of defensive denial based on lack of accomplishment over many, many seasons. However, I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that you’ll probably be waving this years division banner as high as you possibly can at the end of the season…at the expense of ATL of course. Thats ok, break down that emotional wall! Embrace winning in all its forms! You can DO it!

“Thirdly, we get the Mess thing, is it really THAT important for you to capitalize it everytime? Do you think it’s THAT funny and clever? You do??? Hmmm… you think Jeff Foxworthy is highbrow humor don’t you? lol” —— And finally the gratuitous redneck joke! Bonus!

I’ll ask my twin brother, who lives in NY, how many “Met’s crowned king of the East” or “Braves buried” type headlines he sees in the fall. I’m guessing you will start caring about division success…oh, around about September.

By Tomahawk SEEYA

June 15, 2006 03:15 PM | Link to this

I think there’s a better chance that Alfonso Ribiero from the Fresh Prince of Bel Aire would be batting leadoff for you than Soriano.

By CarolinaMike

June 15, 2006 03:16 PM | Link to this

Seeya, do they usually have that many fans during a playoff game? I guess it’s more of a whimper.

By Dick

June 15, 2006 03:16 PM | Link to this

You read it here, Braves will win their division this year.

By CarolinaMike

June 15, 2006 03:20 PM | Link to this

Soriano? You think people get mad at Andruw for lackadaisical play?

By Tomahawk SEEYA

June 15, 2006 03:22 PM | Link to this

Cleanuphitter16 you ignorant slut. I’ll say it again slowly since you’re from the south (another redneck comment) D-i-v-i-s-i-o-n t-i-t-l-e-s m-e-a-n n-o-t-h-i-n-g. O-n-l-y- W-o-r-l-d t-i-t-l-e-s m-e-a-n a-n-y-t-h-i-n-g.

By dfree

June 15, 2006 03:24 PM | Link to this

to all you who say chipper has never elevated his team or carried them, look at 1999. He was mvp, not because of his numbers, sosa hit more homers with more rbi’s, but because he freakin carried an inferior braves team past the mets into the postseaon. i beleive gerald williams was hitting leadoff, perez was catching, walt weiss at short, and lockhart at second, really great lineup there surounding him, andruw was nowhere near the player he should be today and bj was begginning his decline. Chipper put that sorry team on his back and carried them to the east title and eventually the world series, so shut up, chipper has carried a team before and if he could get hot he could do it again, as for him being selfish, he moved to left field for the good of the team, he did it voluntarily, so the team could get castilla. get off the guy’s back, betemit should be leading off and playing second base, chipper’s numbers, dissapointing yes, dwarf giles’ sorry season.

By I think with a drawl

June 15, 2006 03:24 PM | Link to this

I’m going to subscribe to the NY Times because I can’t wait to read the priceless sports editorials when the Metropolitans collapse under the pressure of a tight pennant race!

The city may never sleep, but the Jets, oops, I mean Knicks, oops, I mean Mets will.

1986, What a summer!

By CarolinaMike

June 15, 2006 03:29 PM | Link to this

You know, I’d feel really bad if my team had only won ONE world championship out of 14 tries (what’s that, like an .070 average?).

What would make it worse would be if that world championship had: a) an asterisk next to it (strike-shortened season), and b) no one watched it because everyone was furious with baseball after the strike. Ouch!

I’d rather root for a team with two of the more memorable world series in that last 40 years.

By Tomahawk SEEYA

June 15, 2006 03:30 PM | Link to this

Wouldn’t that subscription be a waste of money? You know being that you’re from atlanta and probably have a grade school education? Shouldn’t you start a little slower than the Times? Say, like a coloring book or something?

By I think with a drawl

June 15, 2006 03:36 PM | Link to this

Shucks, you guys are too hard on us south-erners! Last I checked, grade shcools didn’t hand out B.A.’s in Political Science, but who knows, maybe the do in New Amsterdam. It’s okay, we’ll be fine when Mr. Soriano gets to town. He’s a real champ, just like the Braves and the Yankees!!!

By Tomahawk SEEYA

June 15, 2006 03:37 PM | Link to this

Almost right Carolina. But don’t forget the rest of the Braves franchise’s history of failure and last place finishes that spans 3 cities. That deserves recognition too.

By CarolinaMike

June 15, 2006 03:38 PM | Link to this

Seeya, while you and I are in total agreement about the Mets, I am a Southerner, and I have a BA, so let’s keep the trash talk to baseball.

By John Schuerholz

June 15, 2006 03:41 PM | Link to this

Hey, Hey, Hey …. easy on me now people! I’ve asked Bobby to sit on his hands on purpose and not tinker with the lineup. Let this bad boy sink! I too am not making any moves in hopes of forcing the value of the franchise to hit rock bottom. It will be then and only then that we turn this place over to Ted and regain our rightful place of prominence.

By sammy clawson

June 15, 2006 03:41 PM | Link to this

How about this, how about we send the starts to rookie ball and bring up little schuerholz who is sizzling with a 140 batting average! He will fit right in! After that, we should put Cox in center and Corralas at short and see what happens!! I guarantee we will not lose any ground in the standing then!

By HC

June 15, 2006 03:41 PM | Link to this

Don’t worry Remmy. Wittle Chippy Wippy is about due for another nasty ol’ boo boo. Then he will be on the bench and maybe they will be a real 3rd baseman.

By Tomahawk SEEYA

June 15, 2006 03:42 PM | Link to this

Grade shcools don’t hand them out, neither do grade SCHOOL’s, maybe that’s why you don’t have one.

By sammy clawson

June 15, 2006 03:42 PM | Link to this

How about this, how about we send the starts to rookie ball and bring up little schuerholz who is sizzling with a 140 batting average! He will fit right in! After that, we should put Cox in center and Corralas at short and see what happens!! I guarantee we will not lose any ground in the standing then!

By John Schuerholz

June 15, 2006 03:42 PM | Link to this

Hey, Hey, Hey …. easy on me now people! I’ve asked Bobby to sit on his hands on purpose and not tinker with the lineup. Let this bad boy sink! I too am not making any moves in hopes of forcing the value of the franchise to hit rock bottom. It will be then and only then that we turn this place over to Ted and regain our rightful place of prominence.

By HC

June 15, 2006 03:42 PM | Link to this

Don’t worry Remmy. Wittle Chippy Wippy is about due for another nasty ol’ boo boo. Then he will be on the bench and maybe they will get a real 3rd baseman.

By John Schuerholz

June 15, 2006 03:44 PM | Link to this

Hey, Hey, Hey …. easy on me now people! I’ve asked Bobby to sit on his hands on purpose and not tinker with the lineup. Let this bad boy sink! I too am not making any moves in hopes of forcing the value of the franchise to hit rock bottom. It will be then and only then that we turn this place over to Ted and regain our rightful place of prominence.

By Alan Fisti

June 15, 2006 03:45 PM | Link to this

To all the Chipper Jones apologists out there - your boy isn’t worth defending. He should have caught Remy’s throw. Or maybe sat on top of the runner while the ball was being retrieved. I won’t say ‘or chase the ball’ because we all know Chipper doesn’t do more than he has to. Some leader! What a free pass this guy has gotten in such an unsofisticated baseball town, never having to be accountable, on or off the field. 1999 was a long time ago, and to win the MVP Award on the strength of a couple of game-winning hits at the end of September is a sad testament to the dilution of the award. I never want to hear his name mentioned in the same sentence as Hall of Fame.

By Misty

June 15, 2006 03:47 PM | Link to this

I don’t feel Chipper is to blame & I don’t feel that last night’s game should be the source of such speculation for the entire season. Mostly since June 1st, the Braves have consistently left runners on base, unable to bat them in. They also have led many games going into the late innings only to have the bullpen blow it & ultimately lose the game. Game after game, several batters (I think you know who they are) are swinging at 1st pitches and/or swinging at bad pitches instead of utilizing patience at the plate or working the count. I feel that Ken Ray is the best choice for a closer that we have right now & with the exception of last night’s game, has been fairly consistent in getting outs. I feel Mike Remlinger was wrong to put blame on Chipper for the loss, after all who was responsible for the Marlins having a baserunner in the 1st place? The Braves need to acquire another solid starter, a solid closer and a solid middle reliever. There are so many factors that are contributing to the losses and unless these problems can be resolved immediately, I agree with most of you that the wildcard is a long shot.

By John

June 15, 2006 03:48 PM | Link to this

No, the error was not on Chippie. But he needs to go anyway. Too much has been made over him now and in the past. Put him back in the outfield and let Betermint play third. Chippie has more errors than homers. He needs to go. There are players on this team that do not belong in the majors. Most of all the first baseman.

By CarolinaMike

June 15, 2006 03:51 PM | Link to this

You know, on the good side, the Braves have dropped the last 13 out of 16 games. That’s actually waaaay better than Atlanta’s World Series percentage. So things are looking up!

By AL

June 15, 2006 03:51 PM | Link to this

It’ hilarious how these Johnny come lately fans and these transplanted “wanna be’s” are all that comment on these Blogs. Just like the places they ruined before they moved to Atlanta. All they can do is put down our teams just because the places their from SUCKS so bad, all they can do is try to make themselves feel good by trying to put us and our temas down. SAD A* PEOPLE!

By C Jones

June 15, 2006 03:53 PM | Link to this

All I know is 3 + 2 = a full count…

By I think with a drawl

June 15, 2006 03:53 PM | Link to this

Both Jones boyz are Hall of Famers, maybe not first ballot, but they’re GREAT! And that’s how you get in (if you don’t gamble). Nice spelling SEEYA, guess you northerners are smarta than we. How do you spell world champs. For this one, you’ll have to blow the dust off of your 1986 dictionary.

By steve

June 15, 2006 03:57 PM | Link to this

Who’s to blame? All of them. Our bullpen had a 3 run lead and gave it up. Andrew had a shot at knocking in the go ahead run with a sac fly but struck out. Chipper might should have caught the ball on the play with Remlinger. No one can blame anyone else. The team is playing like the Braves of the 80s. Everybody is at fault.

And why should we be suprised to hear a player snap at another player. When teams lose like the Braves have lately, people tend to be touchy and snap. It is not abnormal. I am sure Remlinger and Chipper will handle it in the privacy of the locker room and work things out.

The Braves streak probably will come to an end this year, but cheer up everyone. Keep supporting them. They have some great young talent and I think they will keep getting better. Maybe next year we can start another winning streak.

Go Braves!!

By Tomahawk SEEYA

June 15, 2006 03:58 PM | Link to this

Grade shcools don’t hand them out, neither do grade SCHOOL’s, maybe that’s why you don’t have one.

By Dick

June 15, 2006 04:00 PM | Link to this

I say let’s try this for five games. Catcher-McCann First base-Betemit Second base-Giles Short-edgar Third Chipper (JS is bound to hold on) Left-Diaz Center Jones Right-platoon Frenchy, Langerhaus,

By I think with a drawl

June 15, 2006 04:05 PM | Link to this

How about bring in Soriano (who cares about the cost, a championship ring in priceless, like the one I have from 2000 @ Ga. Southern) let him play left and leadoff. Change is uncomfortable sometime, but winning AIN’T!!!

By Mike

June 15, 2006 04:13 PM | Link to this

This one goes out to the name “do something JS” at the top of this blog and everyone else blaming Bobby Cox. Do you really think he would stick with Remlinger over Chipper? If you do why dont you find a mirror, point at yourself, and repeat this ” I am an idiot.” Bobby Cox isnt the problem here. The players are. Remlinger sucks and so does the Braves bullpen. Giles cant do anything. Having LaRoche at first is equivalent to having some oversized 4th grader on the bag with about as much common sense as a possum playing dead on a highway. Cox is working with what he has and has been doing so for the past 14 years. Somethings gotta give. Dump Giles and package him with Sosa and get a solid reliever or first baseman. Move Wilson to 2nd and have Edgar lead off. Dump LaRoche in the woods somewhere. Dont blame Bobby for players that arent producing.

By roy

June 15, 2006 04:15 PM | Link to this

Remlinger is really out of line saying, “Ask Chipper if it was catchable,” He said, “I don’t know. I just threw it.” If he will look at the replay on MLB.Com, he will see clearly that he threw the ball wild and high! The team needs to come together-not split apart. Kool it Remlinger!

By Justin

June 15, 2006 04:19 PM | Link to this

I have always thought Chipper was overrated. The Braves had numerous players over the years they should’ve kept instead of Chipper Jones. With the money he makes, he shouldn’t miss anything. Who cares about him anyway!

By Mike

June 15, 2006 04:20 PM | Link to this

This team has serious holes in the pitching staff, and it is finally starting to show. I think the spending habits of the AOL era have finally caught up with the Braves. No longer are they out there in the market spending the way they were in the 90’s. When you take 20 million off the spending cap, that is a good starter/closer or two and several more good players you are costing your team. We have been lucky with these excellent rookies filling holes in the everyday lineup, but the pitching staff has not been so lucky. Not only that, Leo is gone, so there was bound to be some effect. Bottom line: they need to start spending as much as the Mets and Phillies if they want to continue to compete. Particularly when all these rookie contracts are up and these guys want real money.

By hccmac

June 15, 2006 04:22 PM | Link to this

Oh….don’t forget the 80’s…….

“WAIT TIL NEXT YEAR!”

I had to do that………

By I think with a drawl

June 15, 2006 04:29 PM | Link to this

You said it MIKE, this is a business, you get what you pay for (most times). We have to spend to win, it’s almost that simple. And no one has to agree with me, but I will leave you nice people to reflect on these seven words of wisdom:

Al-Fon-So So-Ri-A-No!!!

By Mike

June 15, 2006 04:32 PM | Link to this

hccmac, until we start spending a little more cash to bring in players (and maybe downsizing Chippers contract haha) we ARE in the 80’s. That was the prob then, its the prob now. I mean look at how many games the bullpen alone has cost us this year. Its amazing. And we dont have enough quality starters to make up for em either.

By bigboi

June 15, 2006 04:33 PM | Link to this

The two Live Stews are rule, and I’m gone. Alright, Alright, Alright

By CarolinaMike

June 15, 2006 04:33 PM | Link to this

The Mets just swept Philly. Pretty soon, you Braves fans are going to realize the 2006 Mets are for real.

By Mike

June 15, 2006 04:37 PM | Link to this

Oh, forgot. Id say wait till next year, but we are still owned by AOL. Also, we have to pay Mike Hampton another 14 million next season, so I say: WAIT TILL 2008!!!

By Tomahawk SEEYA

June 15, 2006 04:38 PM | Link to this

The You guys are about 6 hours away from being 13 games out.

By Jeremy

June 15, 2006 04:38 PM | Link to this

Bobby Cox needs to bench a few of these sissy’s to make a statement or trade someone. This team has no chance to win the division but still has a fighting chance to win the wild card. If we were to comeback and do that it would give us huge momentum going into the playoffs. I know its easier said than done but i know over the last few years the wild card winner has gone on the win it all and last time I checked we haven’t done anything with our division titles. You can look at the glass being half empty…..or you can look at this as a chance to shock the world! Either way something has to be done, this current lineup, rotation, and bullpen has the worst record in baseball this month (2-11) even worse than the stinkin Royals!

By Mike

June 15, 2006 04:39 PM | Link to this

You are all a bunch of Pansies! 14 years in a row and ths is the garbage you people have to say! You ought to be ashamed to call yourselves Braves Fans! There is roughly 100 games left for Pete’s sake! Have a little faith that Bobby and John know what they are doing! C’mon People wake up. It aint over yet! Ya bunch a pansies!

By Stuart

June 15, 2006 04:45 PM | Link to this

The problem with the team is while we have a 92 million dollar payroll, most of it is tied up in four players: Smoltz, CJ, AJ and Huddy. 44,666,667 million(source CBS Sportsline) to be exact. That leaves about 48 million for the rest of the team. That should tell you something. (Hampton’s money is being paid by insurance, but that puppy is all ours next year, and JS got the Red Sox to pay us a bunch of his salary so that is not in my equation.) The only regular players making over a mil are Giles, Reeksma, Thomson, Rameriez, and Sosa.(If the Braves were investment people they would be fired with ROI’s like that.) NO ONE IN THE BULLPEN IS MAKING OVER 700,000 DOLLARS. (other than Reeksma, great ROI) YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR. Management is acutally in under budget, but now since that deal with Liberty is draggin on they cannot add payroll. BTW no one with anyone we would want thinks they are out of the race yet, so there is no one to trade with. BTW Again, the sched. gets tougher, Yanks, BoSox, Cards twice. It may get worse before it gets better. I am disgusted with this team, but I am pulling hard for a turnaround, but I just do not see it in the near future.

By sauerpauer

June 15, 2006 04:48 PM | Link to this

What needs to happen is this.

Step 1. Bobby needs to trade Chumper.

Step 2. Bobby should then trade himself.

Ramone! Bring me a sports franchise that has depth of talent!

By Mike

June 15, 2006 04:51 PM | Link to this

Ahh, I see. It takes 14 years and a crippled payroll, now you MUTS fans start talkin like your “For Real”. Why did it take 14 years, you ask? Cause the Braves know your not “for real” in mid-June. You still have 115 games to play before your “for real”. Talk in October.

By Joe C.

June 15, 2006 04:58 PM | Link to this

Face it…the Braves stink. It was a nice run, but it is clearly over. Just accept the inevitable.

By KneeJerk

June 15, 2006 04:58 PM | Link to this

Marlins have twice as many Championships in their history as the 3 city Braves franchise? Your math is bad. We won in ‘57 and ‘95. Marlins in ‘97 and ‘03. I’ll take 1 Championship and 14 division titles over 2 championships and 10 years of pathetic baseball.

By seth

June 15, 2006 04:58 PM | Link to this

I have been a New York Mets fan for the past 30 years, and I am enjoying every moment of the Braves’ suffering.

Horrible pitching. Anemic offense. The worst bullpen in baseball.

It will be sweet watching the Braves finish in last place this year!!!

Hahahahahahahaha!

By KneeJerk

June 15, 2006 05:01 PM | Link to this

Someone said they could think of a dozen managers they’d rather have than Cox. Give us NAMES

By Mike

June 15, 2006 05:07 PM | Link to this

Stuart, those Sportsline numbers for 92 million INCLUDES Hamptons contract. Both ESPN and SI, have our numbers at around 78 million not including Hamptons contract. Add it in and you get 92 million.

By jerry

June 15, 2006 05:08 PM | Link to this

I can’t wait for the Mets to come into town with their 18 game lead and 4000 of the 5000 fans in attendance chanting “LETS GO METS”. Ahh, sweet nostalgia.

By Joe C.

June 15, 2006 05:09 PM | Link to this

Kneejerk has the same problem most Yankee fans have…it’s called living in the past. Pick up a newspaper, buddy and check the standings, and when you see the Braves CURRENT record, you will see the very definition of “pathetic baseball”.

By Chris

June 15, 2006 05:10 PM | Link to this

Wow, I wish all of you who have posted on this thread would actually show up at a game once in a while! Maybe better crowds would stir these guys up. Well, maybe not. Look, all good things must come to an end at some point. Honestly the Braves had no business winning the east last year and if the division wasn’t so pathetic, they wouldn’t have. They’ve been using smoke and mirrors the last few years and probably need deal what chips they have left to get some good young talent b/c what I am reading is Liberty Media is not the type company that will sink significant $$$ into the team.

By Morgan

June 15, 2006 05:11 PM | Link to this

I’ve watched this clip of Mike R’s throw to Chipper in the 10th inning one thousand times. I even slowed it down to see who was to blame. The throw wasn’t that good, wasn’t that bad either, Chipper could have made the catch and kept his foot on the bag at the same time. Check out the Florida Marlins MLB web site for the clip. I blame Chipper on this one.. At least he could have came off the bag and caught it. He didnt jump or come off the bag.

By Mike

June 15, 2006 05:13 PM | Link to this

Seth, I’ll give you 2 out of 3. Our offense is right up there with yours and the Phils. Just our pitching is pathetic. Second worst ERA in the NL last I checked. We wont finish last though. Dont worry, when Pedro and the rest bail out of NY, you’ll have to fight the Marlins and Nationals for that honor. hahaha

By will

June 15, 2006 05:17 PM | Link to this

has anyone heard anything on brad lidge?

By SR

June 15, 2006 05:18 PM | Link to this

Morgan, do you have a link to a video? I have been trying to find one so that I can take a look at the play to see why Jones could not make the play. Thanks.

By Carey

June 15, 2006 05:23 PM | Link to this

If I was a New york Met am I’m glad that I’m not, I would wait untill the end of the year before I started comparing my team to the braves. You have finished behind the braves every single year they have been in year division.You can’t even call this a rivarly untill the mets come any where close to the dominance the braves have had over them. Youza mets fans sound as dum as you look doing the tomahawk chop. Trying winning for more than two months in a row and we might listen more closely to your stupidity.

By Tomahawk SEEYA

June 15, 2006 05:33 PM | Link to this

Careful carey, your tears are gonna short out your keyboard. Any team that wins just ONE WS matches your dominance you fool. And if you were a New York Met them maybe you wouldn’t be so gay. And Will, I have heard something on Brad Lidge. He says you suck. He’s right.

By Carey

June 15, 2006 05:38 PM | Link to this

Ms. Seeya, gays don’t live in the south. They take the subway to met games.

By JT

June 15, 2006 05:39 PM | Link to this

All I have to say is this. We need more pitching, and GET JORGE SOSA OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It’s a guaranteed loss everytime he steps onto the bump. I have never seen a pitcher with only one pitch. What a BUM!!!!!!!!

By will

June 15, 2006 05:41 PM | Link to this

tamahawk seeya are you some fat dude with glasses (sorry if this anyone else) sitting in front of your computer talking $hit? you are a _ucking loser dude.

By Young

June 15, 2006 05:45 PM | Link to this

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

By Brad Lidge

June 15, 2006 05:46 PM | Link to this

I will only accept a trade if you let me bunk with Frenchy.

By Tomahawk SEEYA

June 15, 2006 05:48 PM | Link to this

Please, the south tales “love thy brother” to a new level. That’s why your team mascot is a half naked Indian you booty burglar. And will why do you want to know if I am fat with glasses? Does that turn you on? Weirdo.

By will

June 15, 2006 05:49 PM | Link to this

tamahawk see ya is a f* in new york that john rocker was talking about

By Brad Lidge

June 15, 2006 05:51 PM | Link to this

Will Sucks!

By Tomahawk SEEYA

June 15, 2006 05:52 PM | Link to this

SEE! I told you he said you suck!

By Joe Roman

June 15, 2006 05:53 PM | Link to this

I wish the rats would just desert the sinking ship instead of all this inane crap. there is a reason you are sitting in obscurity at your keyboard, folks. Your jokes aren’t funny. Your suggestions don’t hold water, and your anger and frustration are the product of serious misdirection and childish priorities in life. Right or wrong Remlinger has a reason to be frustrated. He has a personal stake in what’s happening. We don’t.

By will

June 15, 2006 05:54 PM | Link to this

tamahawk was that brad lidge or willie randolph that john rocker saw you with on that subway

By will

June 15, 2006 05:55 PM | Link to this

He’s right. I Do suck. I suck men’s p***.

By Carey

June 15, 2006 05:57 PM | Link to this

Ms. seeya can you read? I did’nt sat the braves have been dominate. I said the braves have dominatated the mets. Even chipper’s son shea knows that. I can here shea now, ” daddy why did you name me shea?” Chipper will say “well son your daddy flat kicked a little ball team in the nuts year after year that played at shea”.

By Tomahawk SEEYA

June 15, 2006 05:59 PM | Link to this

I TOLD you all will was gay!!!!! I can’t even believe you admitted that! Then again, maybe I do. On that note I’m out. Later beotches.

By skeeter skeeterson

June 15, 2006 05:59 PM | Link to this

Go Mets!! oh wait, im sorry that the Mets havent won a division title in God knows how long!! Also, the only reason the Mets won the World Series back in the Middle Ages was because the Red Sox literally gave it to you!! So when you Mets fans have more to cheer about than a six game winning streak then let the us Braves know!! Thanks for your time LOSERS (aka Mets)!!

By tamahawk SEEYA

June 15, 2006 06:00 PM | Link to this

i walked into the mets clubhouse lastnight and i let them a** rape i loved it. i love you pedro!

By tamahawk SEEYA

June 15, 2006 06:00 PM | Link to this

i walked into the mets clubhouse lastnight and i let them a** rape me i loved it. i love you pedro!

By skeeter skeeterson

June 15, 2006 06:01 PM | Link to this

Go Mets!! oh wait, im sorry that the Mets havent won a division title in God knows how long!! Also, the only reason the Mets won the World Series back in the Middle Ages was because the Red Sox literally gave it to you!! So when you Mets fans have more to cheer about than a six game winning streak then let the us Braves know!! Thanks for your time LOSERS (aka Mets)!!

By Katie

June 15, 2006 06:02 PM | Link to this

We never should have let Leo Mazzone get away!!!!

By tamahawk SEEYA

June 15, 2006 06:02 PM | Link to this

i walked into the mets clubhouse lastnight and i let them a** rape me i loved it. i love you pedro!

By skeeter skeeterson

June 15, 2006 06:03 PM | Link to this

By the way I also forgot to say that Casey and I are gay lovers. He pitches I catch. His nipples are soooo sensitive, like my tiny peepee. Will wants to join us but he’s to gay even for us.

Braves Suck.

By will

June 15, 2006 06:05 PM | Link to this

are all mets fan gay?

By John Schuerholtz

June 15, 2006 06:06 PM | Link to this

i can name you a dozen managers,I am thinking about firing Bobby at the end of the season.

1.Terry Pendleton 2.Fredi Gonzalez 3.phil Niekro 4.Jim LeLand 5.my buddy sweet Lou pinella 6.It would be nice to steal my buddy Dusty from the Cubs but I got to be careful,don’t want a tampering charge. 7.Eddie perez 8.Ned Yost,got to be careful again and watch out for tampering. 9.Dale Murphy 10.John Rocker 11.Don Sutton 12.Bobby Dews

By Hal

June 15, 2006 06:06 PM | Link to this

Man if the braves have sunk (and stunk) which they have …this Blogs got them beat by a bunch ! whats the average age now 15?Sounds like the halls out side a junior high gym my mess can beat your mess lol

By Ralph

June 15, 2006 06:09 PM | Link to this

The manager of a professional Baseball or any team for that matter is support to be the leader, an innovator a man of imagination, a forture teller, a father, etc. and most of all a LEADER , not one of the boys, but a leader. So when a team goes from best to worse and the same stupid mistakes are made night after night , the problem is mostly with the manager. Is it because be doesn’t care,doesn’t wants to hurt his player feelings by benching them, has faith that the player will come out of it after a 1 hit in 200 at bat. I have faith that one day gas will drop down to 50 cents a gallon. The thing is the Braves should care. Should care about a that they have a winning team, Baseball is a business and what counts how many fan are there tonight and every other night,improve on getting more fan in the stadium, meeting the payroll, etc. all take a winning team. With kind of money the players are making, the fan do not want to listen to excuses, after all they pay to see the best in the sport, and when they get the worse in the sport day in day out they get mad and stop going. when this happings where does the buck stop with is it the manager? general manager? like in any other business both of them. The Braves are beginning to break up, the players who go all out are getting tired, of the others who act like they don’t care, so they just don’t care or try. In other words the decline of Atlanta Braves,remember when in the 80’s there would be about 15,000, the team was known as the laughing stock of the South. Bobby Cox looks like he’s had it, and General Manager John S. who should be ashamed for not doing something to reinforce the pitching staff along with first baseman is somewhere no one has seem him in weeks , or since the decline of the Braves. What should the Braves do at this point? 1. Bring up players from the minors to pump some spirit into the team like last year. The way the team is playing they have nothing to lose. 2. Trade Chipper Jones (he is support to be the lead and he is leading them into last place) and also trade, well everyone who follow the Braves know who they are. 3. Stop making excuses, the fan know and can see what’s going on with the Braves. 4. Give Bobby Cox a couple of weeks vacation, or maybe longer. 5. After you get some rookies from the minors give A. Jones a couple of weeks off. 6. Time Warner if they don’t get of their butt and give the Braves the money to get some quality players, all fans should quite their cable subscription. 7. Tell Francoeur that when there are men on base, the first swing is his, after that try to put the ball in play, cut down on the swing and stop trying to kill the ball. 8. Let Diaz play everyday. LetBetemit play everyday. 9. Turner South if it wasn’t for the Braves fans watching the game you would have going out of business long ago, your programming stinks. 10. Tell the whiz kids from the Braves P.R. Dept. to stop saying “It can get worse” we should be thankful we are only 11 games out of first. 11. To the Braves organization at lease act like you care for the Braves fans. Those who live in a real world know that the Braves can’t win every year,that the player are humans they have problems just like the regular humans, so if baseball is too much for you players. QUITE. Acceptable finish second Yes, last No. The Braves should be glad they have fans who care and supported the Braves for years Who expressed their frustration when the team play like loosers. Remember we pay the bill.

By pedro martinez

June 15, 2006 06:10 PM | Link to this

has anyone heard from tomahawk SEEYA

By John Schuerholtz

June 15, 2006 06:10 PM | Link to this

These 12 names are guys i am looking at as possible replacement for Bobby,i hate to do that to Bobby because he is so loyal to his players.

By Bob Schmitter

June 15, 2006 06:21 PM | Link to this

Bobby has got to get back to the hibbidy dibbidy and get this train rolling. Chipper is a chip of the old short play and Remmlinger hasn’t been using his rawlings since the squeeze plays made the Braves what they were in the 90’s. Maybe Bobby has to be cut. We have got to get osme new blood in hear and tht old bear aint eatin’ good berries no more.

By FalconsFan

June 15, 2006 06:28 PM | Link to this

Chipper has been hanging around too long. He is no where near the superstar he was projected to be. He is past his prime and untradeable for any worth.

He is collecting a paycheck at this point.

He is one guy that can wake up in the morning and trip over first base and pull his groin. Hurt alot in his carreer.

By eaglegreen

June 15, 2006 06:38 PM | Link to this

This comment is directed at anyone who is trashing their team now that it appears that the Braves MAY not win their division for the 15th consecutive time; my team, the stinking, gag inducing, Phillies, who are again showing themselves to be a perennial underachiever, have made the postseason 1 time in the last 22 years.

By Misty

June 15, 2006 06:41 PM | Link to this

You Mets fans can say all you want but at least Bobby Cox never came back to the dugout in disguise after being ejected. Bobby Valentine, circa ‘99, what a moron. You Mets fans must have been proud!

By former brave fan

June 15, 2006 06:45 PM | Link to this

Yep, time to terminate and get rid of the dead wood starting with the older than dirt manager Bobby Cox. What an idiot he is. The only reason he has won is he had good players. He’s never managed anything. Damn idiot sleeps through games, beats his wife (which he was arrested for and he paid her off to shut up, and looks like a dumb waddling duck when he walks. Quack AFLAC!

By nathan

June 15, 2006 06:48 PM | Link to this

TO ALL OF YOU WITH YOUR NEGATIVE COMMENTS. DO YOU REMEMBER THE BRAVES BASEBALL SEASON PRIOR TO 1990. LET’S NOT REPEAT THOSE DAYS. LEAVE BOBBY AND THE TEAM ALONE.

Rey…….Those pre-1990 teams would kick this teams A$$.

That’s how bad this team is. At least those teams wern’t supposed to win or be “competitive” let’s compair line up’s & you tell me who you’d rather have!

Catcher: OK that’s a nobrainer, McCann over Mike Heath!

1st Base: I’d take Gerald Perry over LaRoche anyday of the week.

2nd Base: Again, I’d take Ron Gant & his weak glove over Giles anyday.

Shortstop: I’d have to go with Renteria over Andres Thomas, but in all fairness Thomas had a “couple” of good halves of seasons too.

3rd Base: Probably have to go with Chipper (even with his diminished skills) over Jim “houndog” Presley.

Left Field: I don’t even remember who played left field for the 89 Braves, but I’m sure they hit better than Langerhans!

Center Field: Odibie McDowell if I remember correctly (the joke with my friends at the time is that his nickname was “Odibie in the minors” McDowell), that being said, this team could probably use him in the leadoff spot! Defensively, he wasn’t Andruw, but then again he wasn’t making 15 million dollars either! And it’s not like he couldn’t pick it in the outfield.

Right Field: Well in 89 it was an “aging” Dale Murphy (my favorite player of all time) & in 1990 it was a combination of Murphy/Justice (ROY based on 2nd half stats). Now we have Fancoeur……which is he going to turn out to be? Dale Murphy or Brad Komminsk (he was also touted as the “next” Dale Murphy)…..that didn’t quite pan out.

Rotation: Young Promising Arms of Steve Avery, Tom Glavine, John Smoltz, Marty Clary, and veteran Zane Smith……I’d take that young “up and coming” bunch any day of the week over this “overpaid” underachieving bunch.

Bullpen: Again I can’t remember any of the names in the pen (those teams were so bad, I usually had turned the channel by the time the starters had been removed)…….but there is no way in HELL that they could’ve been as pathetic as this bunch.

So in summation, maybe this team would “on paper” kick that teams butt.

But I’ve got a pretty good memory, and I don’t remember that team playing this poorly for this long of a stretch. And my guess is (without looking it up), that the late 80’s team at least once in a while won at least 3 games in a row!

By SJK

June 15, 2006 06:52 PM | Link to this

I’m so glad the Braves are playing so poorly as they are now. Now you know how us Mets fans have felt the last decade. All this losing by Atlanta has me dancing. With the division basically in the back pocket, all I wanna do is dance every time I hear a Braves fan groaning over a bad play by the Braves.

BTW, there is a lot of baseball left but even if the Mets play .500 ball the rest of the way and end up 91-71, the Braves have to play 66-30 just to tie. So there is a pretty damn good chance we have the division.

By nathan

June 15, 2006 07:06 PM | Link to this

YIPPY…..Betemit in the lineup!

Although, Chip just said he’s in the lineup because Marcus came down with the “flu”.

Nice to see that Bobby’s idea of getting Wilson in the lineup is waiting for sombody to get the SH*TS.

By nathan

June 15, 2006 07:16 PM | Link to this

What the hell is Pratt laughing at in the dugout.

BTW…..Willis to me looks like the worst starter that the Marlins have.

Mark my words……the Marlins will win the East next year. Even the Overpriced Mets will be looking up at this team for the next few years.

So ask yourself the question, would throwing up the white flag on this season & maybe conceeding next year (by trading off all the overpriced veterans) be worth the reward in 2008?

I say ABSOF*CKING-LUTELY!

This team reminds me of one of my favorite movie quotes of all time from Christmas Vacation, Randy Quade as cousin Eddie holding the RV drain tube waiving at the neighbors:…….”Sh*tter’s Full!”

that about says it all!

JS….Start dumping!

By nathan

June 15, 2006 07:25 PM | Link to this

nice to see that the old “strike em’ out - throw em’ out” is still working to perfection!

I CANNOT WATCH THE LACK OF CONTACT THAT THIS TEAM MAKES!…time to turn the channel….can’t wait for the NBA Finals game 4 to start!!!

AND I HATE BASKTEBALL

Goodnight all!

By Tomahawk SEEYA

June 15, 2006 08:18 PM | Link to this

Misty get back in the kitchen and cook me a pot pie. The rest of these bravas fans are feminine enough. They don’t need your help. just the fact that you bring something up from 7 years and 2 managers ago shows you are ditzy.

By MR. MET

June 15, 2006 08:26 PM | Link to this

brave fans are spoiled rotten. you have a bad year and u all complain. well, maybe its because u won only one world series durin that span. mets are crushing you. LETS GO METS

By Nate Raymond

June 15, 2006 08:27 PM | Link to this

Jorge Sosa should be the closer. He is good for a couple of innings and thats what we need

By Tomahawk SEEYA

June 15, 2006 08:32 PM | Link to this

Pratt’s laughing at that the braves are about to get swept by the marlins. He is not alone.

By will

June 15, 2006 08:40 PM | Link to this

by the way does anyone have a treatment for anal herpes? I itch something bad.

By Doug

June 15, 2006 08:50 PM | Link to this

Single best member of the team excepting Smoltz - McCann. Let’s try not to ruin him.

By John Schuerholtz

June 15, 2006 08:59 PM | Link to this

I will be making it official after the game tonight,marcus giles to the twins for Joe Nathan.notice marcus not playing,he is upset over this trade but he will be ok.

By Misty

June 15, 2006 09:02 PM | Link to this

“Misty get back in the kitchen and cook me a pot pie. The rest of these bravas fans are feminine enough. They don’t need your help. just the fact that you bring something up from 7 years and 2 managers ago shows you are ditzy.”

First of all moron, I am showcasing yet another pathetic historic moment in the lackluster Mets franchise, nothing to be proud of. Why don’t you get your mama to cook you that pot pie? I am sure you still live with her, you loser. Oh & get her to wash out you skid marked underwear too.

By Misty

June 15, 2006 09:03 PM | Link to this

“Misty get back in the kitchen and cook me a pot pie. The rest of these bravas fans are feminine enough. They don’t need your help. just the fact that you bring something up from 7 years and 2 managers ago shows you are ditzy.”

First of all moron, I am showcasing yet another pathetic historic moment in the lackluster Mets franchise, nothing to be proud of. Why don’t you get your mama to cook you that pot pie? I am sure you still live with her, you loser. Oh & get her to wash out your skid marked underwear too.

By Robert

June 15, 2006 09:11 PM | Link to this

Underwear? What’s that?

By Tomahawk SEEYA

June 15, 2006 09:15 PM | Link to this

Please the only think you showcase is your body at the pussycat lounge by the airport making rent money 1 dollar at a time from toothless rednecks and your first cousin. Wanna talk pathetic scroll up and look at the comments on this blog that are make by your OWN FANS that are many times more harsh than any comment I have made about the braves. Talk about a pathetic fanbase.

Secondly, did it ever occur to you that the reason all these Mets insults you give don’t bother me because, oh maybe I’m not a Mets fan?? LOL. Idiots. Geez, Mets fans aren’t the only ones who know braves suck and their fans are gay. Here let me help you : METS SUCK!!! METS SUCK!!! LOLOLOLOLOL Fools.

By John Schuerholtz

June 15, 2006 09:21 PM | Link to this

I will be online tonight immediately after the game to answer your questions and to elaborate on the trade I made today involving Marcus Giles and Joe Nathan,i will be making it official tonight,looking forward to answering your questions and talking with you.

By Allyssa

June 15, 2006 09:22 PM | Link to this

I don’t see why people put the blame on others. The problem with the Braves is there bats and pitching. We can’t afford to make errors in a game if our bats are not on FIRE..Something really needds to be done with this team if its having everyone sit down and talk or a 5 hour practice on days off. Cause when our team was in a slump like this we did both and our team came out on top most of our tournaments after that. But someone needs to think of something quick before everyone loses hope for OUR Braves. I really want to see us when some games and take the DIVSION TITLE once again

We all wish hope and success to the BRAVES for the rest of the season!!!

By David

June 15, 2006 09:22 PM | Link to this

And what’ll happen next; the Braves will win two in a row and everyone will be right back on the bandwagon. It’s June, people, so relax a little. The Mets are perennial chokers. However, this is the worst I have ever seen the Braves play, and I am tired of 96 ROCK playing the post-game show while Stu and Mark try to mine positive things out of the hellish cave-in that has been June for the Atlanta Braves.

By Tomahawk SEEYA

June 15, 2006 09:27 PM | Link to this

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA so funny that the fansof a team that has one championship in 14 years of winning a division would call another team chokers!LOLOLOLOLJKJHKJLOOLOLOLOLO^%^&%&@@@LOLOLOLOLOLOL

By Misty

June 15, 2006 09:38 PM | Link to this

Ok, pansy, you responded to my post addressed to “Mets fans”, are you slow or something? If you are, that is ok, mentally challenged people can contribute to society too. I actually have a career & it isn’t nude dancing, what do you do? Oh, that’s right, you don’t need a job. Mama takes care of her little boy doesn’t she?

By Tomahawk SEEYA

June 15, 2006 09:55 PM | Link to this

Actually I responded to your stupidity. I’m drawn to it like a moth to a flame or you to jello wrestling. And is waitressing at Denny’s really a career? I guess in Atlanta it is. Speaking of “Hotlanta” and it’s braves, SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!IU!!!!&%%%!!!!!!!!!! LMFAO!!!

By drew

June 15, 2006 09:57 PM | Link to this

This sucks. How can you blame a 2-12 june record on one damn person when it takes 40 men to win a pennant. Start playing like a team and you’ll win

By David

June 15, 2006 10:02 PM | Link to this

New York Mets: No championships since 1987, one pathetic world series appearance since 1991 where the Yankees rammed them. Have been talking big for a while now. Never seem to win. If I recall the last time the Mets took on the Braves in the postseason, you walked in the winning run and we danced to the World Series. So, in other words, until the division title streak is up, yes, the Mets are chokers.

By Tomahawk SEEYA

June 15, 2006 10:06 PM | Link to this

You danced to the world series…..and LOST! LOLOLOLOLOL&^%&%^&^%&LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

By Allyssa

June 15, 2006 10:19 PM | Link to this

OMG….. Tomahawk SEEYA…you are so funny…..NOT….why dont you do us all a favor and get over yourself please….

By Tomahawk SEEYA

June 15, 2006 10:25 PM | Link to this

OMG another slut. Nice that you used the NOT joke. Yeah that jokes not TOO old. When’s it from 1995? I can see why that’s a popular year, isn’t it the year you won your only WS in 14 tries? LMFAO&%&*^%&^$&$&^$ Go help the other slut cook my ot pie and then later you two can make out for my amusement.

By Allyssa

June 15, 2006 10:30 PM | Link to this

Ummm….mo sorry im not a slut i just dont think you should come on a Atlanta Braves site and talk trash….thats just what i was trying to get at….And you can make your own pie….and o ya i only like guys.. The Braves are better than the Mets

By Tomahawk SEEYA

June 15, 2006 10:38 PM | Link to this

Of course they are better, the 13 games you are behind them clearly shows that. By that stupid logic the Mets have been better than the Braves the last 14 years. But I’ll play along Mets Suck Mets suck Mets suck. If you people could read, which is asking alot from Atlantans I guess, you would have seen that I stated that I am not a Mets fan. You don’t have to like Misty to make out with her, I just have to like looking at it. Who cares about your needs. Plus I wonder why tou all don’t go after your own “fans” that are ripping the Braves worse than I am.

By Allyssa

June 15, 2006 10:43 PM | Link to this

ok…i saw you arent a BRaves fan and im sorry i just dont get why people talk bad about the Braves but w/e…WEll if you arent a Mets fan than what team do you like?

By Allyssa

June 15, 2006 10:45 PM | Link to this

ok…. i saw you werent a Mets fan just a second ago and im sorry for arguing with you about something stupid i just dont like it when people talk bad about the braves even if they are having a bad season.. And what team do you go for than if your not a mets fan

By Tomahawk SEEYA

June 15, 2006 10:48 PM | Link to this

Actually you seem kinda nice. I apologize too for being mean to you.

By Allyssa

June 15, 2006 10:50 PM | Link to this

Thanks you actually seem nice too…

By Allyssa

June 15, 2006 10:56 PM | Link to this

So what team do you Go for anyways

By Tomahawk SEEYA

June 15, 2006 11:02 PM | Link to this

Actually I am a fan of the Red Sox who have a not too stellar history (except 2004 thank god). I just hate when people are so ungracious such as some “fans” on this site. The Mets are doing well, right now they are the best team in the game. Tip your hats. I spend alot of time in NYC, they hate you guys but they definitely have respect for what you’ve done, I thought you (as in braves fans, not you in particular)would have nmore class than that. I’ve seen this with yankee fans, trust me. You’ve had a goos run but in all probability it’s over. The faster you realize that the sooner you can get to the business of rebuilding which you know you have to do. Everyone has to at some time. Be honest with yourselves THIS year you are not better than the mets and you are not catching them. for 14 years you owned them big time, this year they are better. so be it.

By Allyssa

June 15, 2006 11:07 PM | Link to this

Ya…you are probably are right….The Braves just cant pull it together this year. Sorry but the REd Sox arent my favorite but i was glad they went to the World Series in 2004 and won…lol i would rather want to see you guys there than the Yankees. and tomorrow when the Braves play the REd Sox and i wouldnt be surprised if we lost…but i hope we dont lol

By Tomahawk SEEYA

June 15, 2006 11:11 PM | Link to this

Lol, the one thing Braves, RedSox and Mets fans can agree on is that the Yankees suck.

By Allyssa

June 15, 2006 11:13 PM | Link to this

Ya…..totally agree with you….so do you go to college or something in New york?

By burt

June 15, 2006 11:14 PM | Link to this

turn out the lights, the party is over. the braves is dead on the field. now you know, it takes money and a deep comittment to win. corporate baseball is for the birds. look at gthe cubs, they lose every year, but still draw 39,000 per game. that willnot happen in atlanta. hats off to js and bobby. they did a goog job for a long time

By Go Bravos

June 15, 2006 11:16 PM | Link to this

Red Sox SUCK! We’re going to sweep you and we are better than the Mets even if we were 100 games behind. Allyssa don’t talk to this guy he’s an a*******hole.

By Allyssa

June 15, 2006 11:19 PM | Link to this

ummmm…..im sorry but do you know him??? I mean it doesnt matter if he cheers for someone else…i was just tlaking to him and i LOVE the BRaves it just we are doing so hot this year

By Tomahawk SEEYA

June 15, 2006 11:20 PM | Link to this

Ooooooook, thanks bravos for proving my point. Funny, Burt has a thoughtful post with good points, Allyssa is just very nice, and then here you come in contrast. You make them look bad.

By Allyssa

June 15, 2006 11:22 PM | Link to this

Awwww your sweet…..

By Tomahawk SEEYA

June 15, 2006 11:24 PM | Link to this

It’s OK Alyssa, I have been really obnoxious on this site today. I got carried away. I think he’s jealous though. Maybe he likes you.lol

By Allyssa

June 15, 2006 11:27 PM | Link to this

O Maybe he does…but i dont know him and dont know how old he is…lol…cause i am rather young….but w/e..its ok though i think alot of people get caried away on these sites

By Go Bravos

June 15, 2006 11:29 PM | Link to this

Why don’t you two get married then if you like each other so much. This guy has been insulting everyone on here all day INCLUDING YOU! A real Braves fan wouldn’t give this jerk the time of day.

By Allyssa

June 15, 2006 11:31 PM | Link to this

Ya….but he was man enough to apologize to me….who said i liked him i dont even know him

By Tomahawk SEEYA

June 15, 2006 11:33 PM | Link to this

Damn dude, vent much?

By Tomahawk SEEYA

June 15, 2006 11:37 PM | Link to this

Awwwww, you don’t like me? :( lol. I think I better call it a nite on here. I seem to aggravate people for some reason. ;)

By Go Bravos

June 15, 2006 11:40 PM | Link to this

Yes, go away and drop dead.

By Allyssa

June 15, 2006 11:41 PM | Link to this

ok…well i dont know you lol….but ok i guess i will ttyl but o wait i probably wont bc i bet i will never get on here again or find you even if i do lol…but goodnight i guess

By Allyssa

June 15, 2006 11:43 PM | Link to this

Go Bravos… i know he has been aggravting but there is no need to be rude about it because you doin that shows that Braves fans dont care about anyone…

By Tomahawk SEEYA

June 15, 2006 11:48 PM | Link to this

Ok, I’ll try Bravos. Before I go I’d like to apologize to anyone I offended today. No offense intended, it was all in fun. Spicing things up. At least I unified you guys against me! lol.Misty I especially apologize to you, I was especially mean to you. Allyssa, you’re a cutie. Stay sweet. The rest of you stay proud but be realistic, the Mets are better than both our teams. Let’s deal with it. Nite all

Oh, and I still think will is gay.

By Allyssa

June 15, 2006 11:51 PM | Link to this

ok…thanks i guess…you have never even seen me but goodnight

By Aunt Betty

June 16, 2006 12:14 AM | Link to this

I say we have a big Fire Sale. Everybody who has been a Brave for more than three years must go. Start over with rookies and in a couple of years we will be celebrating again with a team that cares more about winning than about their Escalades.

By true fan

June 16, 2006 12:25 AM | Link to this

A LOT OF YOU GUYS ARE WHAT WE CALL FICKLE FANS.YOU ARE ONLY A FAN WHEN YOUR TEAMS WINNING,THATS BASEBALL YOU CAN’T ALWAYS WIN THEM ALL-WOULD BE NICE-THERE ARE PROBLEMS BUT MY GOSH HAVE SOME FAITH THEY GET DOWN AND YA’LL DOGÉM I HOPE THEY DON’T EVER WASTE THEIR TIME READING YA’LLS CRAP OR THEY’LL NEVER BOUNCE BACK FROM THIS. IF YOU’RE A TRUE BRAVES FAN THEN SUPPORT THEM WIN OR LOSE BUT IF YOU’RE GONNA BE FICKLE SPARE US ALL AND FIND YOU ANOTHER TEAM

By jokurone

June 16, 2006 09:07 AM | Link to this

From “First to Worst” run the headline now and get over it!! dust off the “wait till next year” headline an use it.

By John Schuerholz

June 16, 2006 09:26 AM | Link to this

Put a fork in this blog, this dead horse has been beaten!

This yarn spun …

This dog hunted out …

This game is over …

See ya next year Bravos! Hope you get that pitching issues worked out.

By BoSoxFan

June 26, 2006 08:33 PM | Link to this

You are all jealous because the Yankees are a team that has one of the best front offices in baseball.Dont blame the players,fans,or managers because you think they suck blame their genuis front office. I am a baseball fan. I cheer for the best team and the yankees are the top team in baseball everyone hates them cause they are. Watching those memorable games the yankees have played noone could of played them better from 96-01.Even when they lost they made the game exciting. Those teams there wasnt a Ortiz or Chipper to carry a team it was the whole team that got them there cause they had heart. Boston doesnt have heart they were different their great team with the best hitters in the game. Noone on the yankees had stats that blew you away they had heart and timely hitting and pitching. Yankee haters deep inside you know their a good team.