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Davies a future great?

While I’m sure plenty of you want to continue mulling the LaRoche matter, I can’t think of much more to say that hasn’t been said.

So while you’re obviously free to debate or comment about him playing last night - frankly, I think Bobby Cox wants to win games and catch the Mets and Phillies, and LaRoche getting booed mercilessly Sunday and again Monday seems like more severe punishment than another four innings on the bench would have been - I’m going to address a couple other matters.

Kyle Davies, who is going on the DL today and who drew the ire of Cox for not mentioning a sore groin yesterday before his start. Davies ended up straining or tearing it in the third inning and is done now for at least 15 days. That’s a big no-no with Cox and most managers, not telling someone when you’re hurt and putting yourself to get seriously hurt and the club in position to have to scramble to find a replacement. But that’s not what I wanted to discuss.

I wanted to discuss Davies’ 2-3 record and 6.12 ERA this season, and 9-9 career record and 5.12 ERA in two seasons. Specifically, does this mean he’s perhaps not as talented and doesn’t have the limitless potential the Braves have said he has?

And I would suggest that there’s no way to say yet. And here’s what I’m basing it on: Greg Maddux and Tom Glavine. While I’m not saying Davies is going to be another Maddux or Glavine - I don’t think there will be another Maddux in our lifetime - I’m just saying, at the same point in their careers, no one could have looked at either Maddux or Glavine and said they’re going to be Hall of Famers someday (and yes, I do believe Glavine will get in; Maddux is a cinch first-ballot guy, obviously).

Davies, 22, has made 29 appearances including 22 starts. He’s 8-7 with a 4.94 ERA in the 22 starts.

So I went back, our of curiosity, to see what two of the Braves’ greatest recent pitchers did at similar points, or how their first couple of seasons transpired. And here’s what I found:

In his first 22 starts, Maddux went 6-11 with a 5.04 ERA, with 144 hits, 52 walks and 81 strikeouts in 123-1/3 innings.

In his first 33 starts, Glavine went 5-17 with a 5.52 ERA and more walks (83) than strikeouts (78).

Davies has a ton of talent, good stuff, great mental makeup (as the scouts, coaches and managers say). He’s going to be good. Will he be great? We just don’t know. Too early to tell. But seeing and hearing him after he gets roughed up, I’d lean toward great someday. Because he cares so much, and he honestly listens and understands what he’s doing wrong and what he needs to do to correct it.

Now it’s just a matter of being able to do those things when the lights go on and the pressure is turned up. Not everyone is a freak like Francoeur or McCann who can excel at 22 against grown men who’ve been in the majors for a decade or more. And with pitchers, it can be even tougher in the early going, when everything is riding on your shoulders. Not to mention when you’re pitching for the hometown team and have so many expectations from friends, family, etc. Not an excuse, just reality.

OK, so what about the near-term? Who to replace him? We’ll find out soon, maybe today but maybe not until later in the week. I’d bet that journeyman Travis Smith, he of the slight frame and spectacles, is the guy for one start, until Horacio Ramirez is ready to come off rehab. Travis was 3-0 with a 1.80 ERA in seven starts at Richmond before getting rocked last night there.

But I wouldn’t expect much from him if he starts a game at Arizona this weekend. Simply because Travis Smith fits the mold of the classic “4-A” pitcher - very good at Triple-A, but just doesn’t have enough stuff or deceptive delivery to do the same things at the big-league level. Sometimes he has a good start or two with a team in a callup, then gets inevitably worse in later games before being sent back down. So if he’s the guy, the Braves will hope to get one good start out of him, at least.

OK, that’s it. Gotta get ready to get to the ballpark. Sorry, but don’t have more time to dissect other issues right now.

The new Drive-By Truckers CD is great, by the way. And so is the Gnarls Barkley effort from Danger Mouse and Cee-Lo (hey, I know the names sound a bit out there, but it’s good, modern R&B). We’ve already raved about the Chili Peppers’ double CD. Get it if you’ve ever liked them; they’re as good or better than ever.

I still suggest all of open minds to buy the Neil Young CD, “Living With War.” Outstanding stuff.

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By BOB C

May 16, 2006 02:57 PM | Link to this

It is just unfortunate that Davies will not get to school under Glavine and particularly Maddux. Combined, there are probably no more tenacious and smart pitchers in our generation unless you want to throw #29 in there too. While it’s early, my money is on being more Millwood-like than Maddux-like. Serviceable but not great.

By Chop Chop

May 16, 2006 02:57 PM | Link to this

Davies is a lot like Maddux and Glavine in that he doesn’t have good enough stuff to make a living anywhere near belt-high in the strike zone. If he can learn to stay on top of the ball in his delivery and keep it down with movement, he certainly has the mental makeup to become a top pitcher. I didn’t expect him to come in this year and dominate the National League or anything, so I’m not surprised by the struggles he’s having. It’s natural. Let’s just hope he learns to tell someone when he’s hurt. Not complaining about truly minor aches and pains is one thing, but not letting anyone know when your leg or groin (or shoulder…or elbow…or finger…etc.) is bothering you is never a good idea for a pitcher.

Oh, and DOB, I like the ads for “Living With War”, which end with the line: “You be the decider.”

Speaking of “The Decider”, I recall something he said last night:

We cannot build a unified country by inciting people to anger, or playing on anyone’s fears, or exploiting the issue of immigration for political gain.

I hope “The Decider” takes a long, hard look in the mirror…

End of rant.

(And despite what some of you might now think, I’m not a Democrat. I just don’t like our current President. He does nothing but remind me of the divisive politics that are rampant in our current government.)

By Kieran(Long Island Braves fan)

May 16, 2006 03:02 PM | Link to this

This is kinda a long shot idea for a closer but how about trying to pry Chan Ho Park away from San diego? He did an excellent job closing for Korea in the World Baseball Classic I wonder if that is at all a realistic possibility.

Also is Anthony Lerew close to being a major league starter? Could he be someone they replace davies or sosa with???

By Matthew

May 16, 2006 03:24 PM | Link to this

I think bringing up the comparisons to Maddux and Glavine are helpful in that they remind us that we cannot tell anything about a player this early into his career. Davies has a lot of talent, but is unproven. However, anyone who can go into Fenway and pitch that well in his first major league game has the potential to be something special. I look forward to seeing what Davies brings to the table, although I don’t like that he didn’t talk to the trainers or BC about the tightness.

By deepinmetterritory

May 16, 2006 03:26 PM | Link to this

Adios, Texas? May 16 - First baseman/DH Erubiel Durazo, who is on the Triple-A Oklahoma disabled list with a hamstring strain, has requested his release from the Rangers, the Fort Worth Star-Telegram reports. Durazo has an out clause in his contract that permitted him to ask for his release if he was not brought to the major leagues by May 15. The Rangers have 72 hours from the time of his request to bring him to the majors, trade him or release him.

If Laroche is still struggling, maybe this guy could be an option?

By Ed

May 16, 2006 03:27 PM | Link to this

I have never played professional baseball so I guess my observations are meaningless.It is my feeling that Kyle has great stuff but is afraid to use it, He seems to pick and pick rather than trusting his natural ability. And, I wish he would show some appreciation to his team mates when they make a nice play to get him out of trouble; such as Tim Hudson does.

By Chico Escuela

May 16, 2006 03:28 PM | Link to this

Dave,

I recall Glavine, Smoltz & Avery early numbers, as being pretty comparable (bad) to Kyle Davies.

The big difference though is the above three pitchers played on some horrendous (pre-1991)teams, unlike Davies. I like Davies but I’m not sure if he’ll develop into a solid starting pitcher. Looks like he needs to develop an “out pitch” to be successful on a consistent basis.

By Bill Clyde

May 16, 2006 03:29 PM | Link to this

Davies should be fine with time, hopefully better conditioning will keep him relatively injury-free. He has the advantage of Smoltzie’s zen, which he learned along with Maddux and Glavine, with Leo and Bobby at the helm. Sure, Leo’s not around anymore, neither are Glavine or Maddux, too bad Steve Avery didn’t work out for the long haul, etc., but I gotta believe that coming into a winning organization makes all the difference for a guy like Chad Paronto, turning him from “journeyman”, to darn near lights-out. It brings up Roger McDowell’s coaching game, and makes the sting of LaRoche’s gaffe, and thus the lesson learned, all the more potent. I’m just struck, sitting here, considering all the winning that’s happened in the last 15 years, through all the changes, peaks and valleys, outstanding-to indifferent-to uncertain ownership, etc. Our team is steeped over time to know how to win; we brew our tea dark in the South—it’s a better flavor. It’s why we bring back winners like Pendleton, Jordan, Remlinger, et al. It’s why we’ll bring back Glavine if he wants to keep pitching. It’s what enables a pack of hungry 22-yr olds to come into a situation where their performance is needed and they shine, and it’s something few organizations have, or can hold on to for very long. The only other that can claim greater for longer is the Yankees. The New York Mess sure doesn’t have it, and if we’re firing on all cylinders by the start of the second half, they will curse the scheduling gods. We may see some of our team’s best baseball ever…just saying, we earn our swagger, and our kids can play.

By MGL

May 16, 2006 03:38 PM | Link to this

deepinmetterritory - not for me, his stats in 2005 were not as good overall as LaRoche, and AAA this year not much better. Had TJ surgery last year, and has been on DL eight times.

By Jason

May 16, 2006 03:48 PM | Link to this

Davies is below average right now. Except for a VERY FEW occasioins, you can count on him to pull a Sosa, you can expect him to give up 4 or 5 runs and go no longer then 5 innings.

Plus, he doesnt eat enough burritos to excel in the Major Leagues.

By MGL

May 16, 2006 03:53 PM | Link to this

Adam LaRoche is coming around, give him another chance. His May stats are Ave .275, OBP .408 and SLG .475. also went from 29 SO and 10BB in April to 7 SO and 9 BB in MAY. Some of the trade ideas or WB for that matter are not that good. I haven’t seen anyone in this game yet that does not have streaks.

By BDinNY

May 16, 2006 03:57 PM | Link to this

Oooof… just when we were hoping Ramirez would replace SOSA, not Davies! What a bonehead decision to not clue in the management and trainers on an injury. Maybe in a playoff game where it’s win or go home but not in mid-May! A shame because I was there to see his awesome performance at Shea several weeks ago and he does have great potential. DOB, if we eventually bring up Ramirez to replace Davies (with Smith or another bridging that gap), any thoughts on what’ll be done about Sosa? He’s making huge mistakes every time he goes out there. I really do think he could get it done but he doesn’t seem to have the focus to pitch intelligently for 6+ innings.

Also, DOB, thoughts on the Raconteurs? The new (and last, unfortunately) Grandaddy album is terrific too.

By ernesto

May 16, 2006 04:00 PM | Link to this

deepinmetterritory…you’d rather have Durazo than LaRoche? The taxi fumes are getting to you my man (by the way, I’m responding from Chelsea). When’s our boy Chuck James going to get a shot at starting?

By Matthew

May 16, 2006 04:05 PM | Link to this

Check James is still hurt (strained hammy), but when he comes off the DL I also think he should be given a chance. A lefty with a good delivery will catch opponents off guard. plus, we can pull Sosa out of the rotation.

By Dr. Jay

May 16, 2006 04:14 PM | Link to this

Judging young pitching talent is truly a tough call, and I sure hope we can keep Davies for a long time…but the guy I already regret losing is Adam Wainwright. I happened to see him on TV a few weeks ago in relief for St. Louis, and he was lights out. His breaking ball was absolutely electric, and he struck out the side. And to think, all we got for that kid was a one-year rental of Mr. Excitement, J.D. Drew. Sheesh. Not your best hour, JS.

By Andy

May 16, 2006 04:24 PM | Link to this

I’m beginning to think Villareal is blowing these games so he can get the win. Maybe that should be brought up in the next collective bargaining agreement. Its just so unbelievably dumb to give the win to someone who blows the lead.

By MBATL

May 16, 2006 04:40 PM | Link to this

Dr. Jay, you’re right about Wainwright. But on the other hand, we had NO outfielders who could hit going into ‘04, aside from AJ, who was still flailing away quite a bit. Had just lost RF Sheff to the Yankee dollars, and it was clear CJ was moving out of LF and back to 3B.

We got Drew and Marrero in that deal, and they got us through til the young guys were ready. ‘Course the Cards also got Jason Marquis in that deal.

Anyway, I agree… hope we don’t have to do that kind of deal too often, but it did get us through the crisis (and we’ve won 2 Div. titles since that trade).

By teoa

May 16, 2006 04:45 PM | Link to this

I think it is a huge reach to say that Davies might be headed for a career like Maddox or Glavine because he has similar unexceptional stuff and is off to a shaky start like they had. (I happen to think Maddox does have exceptional stuff even though he doesn’t throw hard — he may get more movement than any pitcher in history.) It is true that Glavine’s stuff is nothing special, but the odds say that young pitchers with unexceptional stuff are much more likely to have unexceptional careers than to turn out like Glavine. Davies does have some qualities that suggest he may turn into a solid pitcher, but I think the expectations are WAY too high. I disagree with the Milwood comparisons too (in an earlier post), because Milwood had dominant stuff. I would guess the ceiling of Davies’ potential may be in John Burkett territory — maybe one or two really good years, but basically a number 3 or 4 starter. I hope I’m wrong and that he will turn into another great…I just think it’s too early for that kind of speculation given his rather ordinary talent level.

By Chop Chop

May 16, 2006 05:10 PM | Link to this

Burkett won 166 games in his career and his first full year in the bigs came when he was 25. If Davies has a similar career to Burkett and tacks three extra years of 8-10 wins before he turns 26, Davies will be somewhere around 200 wins for his career.

My last paragraph is an example of why it makes little sense to even try to extrapolate a player’s career when he’s 22 and has nine big league wins to his name. There isn’t a Braves fan alive who wouldn’t be happy with Davies as a 200-game winner, but odds are heavily against that. I hope he beats the odds, of course.

By teoa

May 16, 2006 05:26 PM | Link to this

I agree, Chop Chop. I listed Burkett as a best case scenario to at least temper the Maddox/Glavine comparisons a bit. You’re right, Burkett had very solid numbers (166-136, 4.31), and I would be happy (and maybe a little surprised) if Davies has that kind of career with the Braves. I’m just saying a Hall of Fame type career seems like a long, long, long shot right now, but who knows?

By David O'Brien

May 16, 2006 05:43 PM | Link to this

Davies had MRI, but no results yet. He’ll definitely go on DL, but not done yet and Braves might not make a move until they need starter on Saturday. Right now, looks like Travis Smith.

Lerew’s numbers at Triple-A are real bad (1-2, 8.44 ERAin eight starts), though Bobby said he’s had a few good ones mixed in among the bad starts.

Smith would be on regular rest to start Saturday, since he pitched last night like Davies. Smith is 3-1 with a 2.91 ERA in eight starts at Richmond, and hadn’t been hit hard until his loss last night.

Whoever it is will make just one start, since next turn will fall on an off day and Braves expect to have Horacio Ramirez back after that.

By Eric

May 16, 2006 05:49 PM | Link to this

So, I guess with Davies possibly avoidable injury, Sosa gets an extended stay in the rotation. Jezz, him not telling anyone that he was feeling iffy is becoming a vicious chain reaction. I think all of us where counting down the days until Ramirez was ready and we could ship Sosa to middle relief. Speaking of Sosa, how can the guy be soooo mediocre? He credits Mazzone for his career year and shocking turn around, but c’mon how hard could it be to remember just ohhh, say 75% of what the wizard taught him? It was just last year. Can’t be that hard. Ohh well, I guess the word “fluke” comes to mind. Although all must realize he certainly has the stuff to be a closer one day.

By Dr. Jay

May 16, 2006 05:54 PM | Link to this

MBATL…valid points, my friend. I hope we don’t have to do that kind of deal ever again too. We were truly in a pickle. I just have a bad feeling that Wainwright could become the next Big Thing, and he was ours. Thanks for the memories, TimeWarner.

By Lew

May 16, 2006 05:55 PM | Link to this

What I’m concerned about is that apparently no one stretches any more. What is it with all of these pulled muscles? If they had pre game stretching and infield practice like they used to, a lot of these nagging injuries could be avoided. Let’s cool it on the weights for a while and concentrate on flexability. Davies will be fine. Every good pitcher needs to come up for a year or so and get the s##t kicked out of them. Didn’t Glavine lose 18 his first full year?

By MGL

May 16, 2006 05:57 PM | Link to this

Sosa as closer - His first inning stats: 6 games started, first innings, 0.00 ERA, 6H, 1BB, 7K; Home only, 0.00 ERA, 1H, 0BB, 5K. Small sample, but not bad, esp BB/K.

By Chop Chop

May 16, 2006 05:58 PM | Link to this

Trade Sosa to the Orioles and let Mazzone try to work his magic with him again. That way, we get rid of a guy that can’t be counted on AND Bobby can’t run him out there anymore. Sounds like a win-win.

By Nelson.

May 16, 2006 06:11 PM | Link to this

Yes, send LaRoche to the minors, but forever, he had plenty of opportunities already. He is good defensive player, but 1st basemen needs to hit much more, bring somebody else or trade for Tod Helton, this could be the miracle that will save this season for The Braves. nelson.

By JJMB

May 16, 2006 07:32 PM | Link to this

What happened to Jeff Torborg? Ron Gant is killing me.

By Mathew F.

May 16, 2006 07:41 PM | Link to this

Why on earth does Cox sit McCann as much as he does? I understand him needing a day a week or maybe once a pitching rotation, but sitting him against every lefty is absurd.

By Submariner

May 16, 2006 07:49 PM | Link to this

I remember a guy who was a great talent and was cast away with ease; Kevin Millwood. It’s too early to tell with young Kyle. They can’t trade Sosa. His stock has gone way down. You’d be lucky to get a bucket of balls for him now. Used BP ones at that!

By Chambers

May 16, 2006 08:27 PM | Link to this

Gant’s killing you? Its odd how I thought he was OK until he was paired with Wrathbum.

Todd Pratt = Putrid, by the way.

By Tomahawkin

May 16, 2006 08:36 PM | Link to this

I dunno what You guys are angry about in terms of bashing Ron Gant, He!! at least we’re not stuck with Joe Buck…

By Andy

May 16, 2006 08:39 PM | Link to this

Kevin Milwood was not traded with ease—-Maddox accepted arbitration(which no one thought he would) so the braves payrol already at its limit—-had to add 10 million. So Time Warner told JS to dump 10 million in salery in 3 days. So JS traded milwood to off set the “extra” salery the braves had to pay. They did not offer Maddox arbitration or glavin or franco—again. Estrada was ranked as one of the best catching prospects in the game—but was stuck behind leibert(sp.) the same way ryan howard was behind Jim Thome.

By Chambers

May 16, 2006 08:41 PM | Link to this

I want to pose a question to this blog and see if anyone can lend some feedback. I have developed what I believe as the All Bum Team and want to see if you guys had some to add of your own. First, the parameters. Of course, a bum is defined mostly by his stats, especially under pressure. But this alone does not define a bum. A bum is a bum because you remember him as such, or because of a funny name, or maybe he pitched well against the Braves when he clearly was not that good, etc. You get the point.

Now, ladies and gentlemen, I reveal the first part of this heralded roster: the pitchers.

Note: This the first part in a series and contains only the pitchers. I chose to carry 11 pitchers, of course to make room for a “Brian Jordan” if you will. Five are starters, a righty and lefty specialist, a long inning guy, and three potential closers AKA 7th inning guys. I encourage everyone to submit their own. Baseballreference.com is a good start. You can parooze every single roster from the begining of time on. I, myself put about an hour and a half looking. Several names made the list from the get go. Sadly others had been pushed out of conscience. Some brought back laughter, others tears. And all a sick look of bewilderment and disgust, thinking, “why would a loving God allow Bobby to keep running his a* out every fifth day.”

I think you know who this refers to.

Part One: The Pen

SP: Todd Van Poppel (Yeah you thought you were something, Todd. Good call refusing to sign with the Braves in 1990, because we “were going nowhere as a whole.” You were a shoe in to be taken number one in the whole country and said no. So we end with Chipper and you end up cutting hair. I dispise you, Van Poppel.)

SP: Hideki Irabu (Nasty Yankee, for like three months. I think he actually died on the mound somewhere in the Tampa orgainization. Seriously.)

SP: Albie Lopez (Sometimes being a fan of Bobby Cox is a lot like enjoying beatings with a red ball gag in your mouth. Although, without Albie’s complete mentall collapse, there would have never been a Damien Moss. Thanks Al.)

SP: Ben McDonald (Anyone who collected baseball cards and Becketts in the ninties remembers this name. I think I once pakaged a Kevin Maas ‘90 Leaf for the bums rookie card. At least Maas had some respect for himself.)

SP: CJ Nitkowski (I am gigggling.)

Right Handed Specialist: Byung Yung Kim (Apparently he told Boston he couldn’t speak English well enough to pitch there. So he gets sent to Colorado. Woooppppsie.)

Left Handed Specialist: Tom Martin (I took my girlfriend to a Braves game once toward the begining of last season that Martin entered in the seventh. With a three run lead. His line went something like 4 runs, three hits, 47.00 ERA. She later asked toward the end of the season “Whatever happened to that guy who blew that game we saw in April.” She responded, “I didn’t know Beumont had a baseball team…”)

Long Arm: Danny Graves (Dude, has anyone seen this guy lately? That mans got a ton of junk in the trunk.)

7th inning: Heathcliff Slocumb (This one brought an acid like flashback.)

8th inning: Mike Stanton (The rage I feel right now won’t even allow for humor. I hate him with every fiber of my soul.)

9th inning: Stan Belinda (We raise our glass to you, Stan. You beautiful SOB. If it were not for you, Francisco Cabrera would probably be dead.)

Honrable Mention: LaTroy Hawkins (The Original Gas Can) Steve Traschel, Mel Rojas, Turk Wendell (probably somewhere frantically brushing his teeth) Gabe White, Patt Rapp, Brendan Looper, Pete Harnish, Armando Benetiz, Bill Pulsipher, Pat Mahomes, Paul Shouey, Scott Erickson, Omar Daal, Dan Kolb and Brien Taylor.

By Del

May 16, 2006 08:59 PM | Link to this

Forgive me all you Chipper lovers, but your boy is killing us in the 3 hole. His bat looks extremely slow of late, and he is taking so many hitable pitches I cann’t help but wonder how far over the hill he really is. He gets a fair number of hits, but rarely with men on base of late. He also looks extremely slow of foot in the field. But back to my point; IMHO he needs to be moved lower in the order. Bat Mac in the 3 hole, he has good bat control and is hitting the ball to all fields, and hitting it squarely most of the time. One thing for sure, Chipper is not earning his keep in the 3 hole !!!

By TennesseeBraveFan

May 16, 2006 09:09 PM | Link to this

What? You left Wohlers off the list? And Rocker?

By Chris

May 16, 2006 09:35 PM | Link to this

McCann really needs to play against some of these lefties. Pratt (.200 BA) is like having a second pitcher in the lineup. And Betemit makes the third out stranding two runners in scoring position. This is looking like yet another one run loss.

By Tomahawkin

May 16, 2006 09:37 PM | Link to this

Chambers…. While we’re reminiscing about the BECKETT Glory days, Remember David Nied, Melvin Nieves, Brien Taylor, and Nigel Wilson? What a bunch of busts they were

I also remember a great Article in a 1994 Issue about the Baby Braves, (by I.J. Rosenberg) that had Tony Tarasco, Kid Klesko, and Javy Lopez, It was one of the best articles that Beckett ever put out…Thay don’t make those magazines like they used to…

By Del

May 16, 2006 09:37 PM | Link to this

Anybody elso think that Ken Ray should get a fair shot at being our closer. All he does it get outs game after game after game.

By journalist jimmy smith

May 16, 2006 09:52 PM | Link to this

journalist asks, how long has it been since chipper drove in a run? the announcers say that he hasn’t hit a hr in a long time - heck, we don’t need a hr - just put the ball in play and bring in some runs. del is right, the bat looks slow. now, renteria … he is always on base.

By Bob, journalist jg

May 16, 2006 09:57 PM | Link to this

HoHo, thanks for the comments and question.

I don’t think that Hank ever played First for the Brewers … DH mostly.

He played First for the Braves on a regular basis for a couple of years in the early 70s … but I don’t think he ever played there exclusively.

I’m at my best when I’m not too serious … and the last few days have been less fun and too serious for me.

Remember, many of my comments are directional and for effect … but, tt’s not a bad idea to be overly obvious when you want to make sure your understood. Some folks don’t always bother to use their third ear.

I think those of us who have been frequently burned by conclusion jumping, wisely caution against it … but indecision isn’t what’s being suggested.

We all enjoy seeing players giving “Maximum Effort” in critical situations … and I think we all agree that players failing to give their best effort is never acceptable! However, there are probably as many different perceptions of “best effort” as there are bloggers … there’s the rub.

The case that always puzzles me is the “play” at the plate …when players stop running and plead “no contest” … if the catcher gets the ball well in advance of their arrival.

Regarding Homeruns, I especially like the majestic ones … It’s just difficult to me to cheer too much for a player hitting a homerun when a routine single would have done the job. It’s good that he was successful … but nothing is more frustrating than seeing someone swinging for the fences … and knowing that we would have a better chance if he weren’t.

“Adam’s Play” was exciting for all fans … but, just like being caught in a violent thunderstorm, we don’t need that kind of excitement! I expect we see more moral support for Adam … some in genuine response to what’s happened and others because they see it as the “politically correct” thing to do.

Flashy players are generally exciting and fun to watch but we need players who quietly go about doing the job too. I think that Andruw is that exceptional player who excells in doing both.

By MBATL

May 16, 2006 09:57 PM | Link to this

OK, I’ll bite. Chipper is coming off a 12-game hitting streak, with 17 hits in the 12 games. Oh-fer for the last 2 games, though he DID extend 2 big innings last night with walks.

Looks like he’s a little off from the right side; but IMHO, a lifetime .300 hitter having 2 bad nights is not a crisis.

By MBATL

May 16, 2006 09:59 PM | Link to this

Oh, and yeah, he and Andruw both are in a major power slump. I get more worried about AJ than Chipper, but one or both of them do need to provide some long balls.

By Bob, journalist jg

May 16, 2006 10:06 PM | Link to this

Send Jeff back to AA he needs more seasoning and learns to adjust … did any of us ever suggest or think that?

By journalist

May 16, 2006 10:11 PM | Link to this

the question was, when did he last drive in a run. he also was a MVP back in 1999 and once ate 12 krystals.

By Del

May 16, 2006 10:18 PM | Link to this

MBATL … I didn’t mean to imply, nor did I say it was a crisis. My only point was that the 3rd spot in the lineup generally goes to the best hitter. I think you would agree that Chipper is not our best hitter at this point.

By MBATL

May 16, 2006 10:20 PM | Link to this

Research department says May 9. Has scored 7 since then, though, if that’s worth anything - and the guy hitting behind him has driven in a run a game this month. Like I said, agree he’s in a mini-slump, at least in terms of power/production, but still, like always, right in the middle of runs crossing the plate. Is the point that he should be dropped to 5th, or what? Just curious….

By MBATL

May 16, 2006 10:23 PM | Link to this

Del, I disagree. Chipper’s been comfortable in the 3 hole most of his career. McCann has been FABULOUS, but I promise you he won’t hit .340 for a full year (hope I’m wrong, but I doubt it). He needs to focus on doing a job behind the plate, and contributing from the plate, but doesn’t need the pressure of the 3-spot. Just my opinion… respect yours’ too.

By JJMB

May 16, 2006 10:26 PM | Link to this

Nice one Giles! That f-ing uppercut swing for a popup is really working. Great leadoff hitter.

By journalist jimmy smith

May 16, 2006 10:29 PM | Link to this

mbatl, journalist just asked a question, that’s all. it seems like renteria is always on base for chipper. a ball pushed to the right side might get a run in. jimmy smith is thinking small ball - the homeruns are nice but it’s much easier to put the ball in play than to hit the ball out. if giles can get on some more renteria will put on a clinic on moving the runner over. he’s done it tonight already.

By Del

May 16, 2006 10:31 PM | Link to this

MBATL … It’s a moot point anyhow, cause dear old Bobby would never remove Chipper from the 3 hole. I don’t believe moving Mac to the 3 spot would bother him anymore than it did when they moved him to the 5 spot. As I recall it took him one full game to settle in. Appreciate your thoughts.

By journalist jimmy smith

May 16, 2006 10:38 PM | Link to this

that uggla is looking better all the time. wish the braves had him. now, “p” players will be coming to bat. first, though here is chipper. we could use a hr now … but a base hit would work, too.

By Bob, journalist jg

May 16, 2006 10:38 PM | Link to this

Strange how people sometimes express the same strange notion on the same blog while talking about two different situations.

Jimmy Smith: “he hasn’t hit a hr in a long time - heck, we don’t need a hr - just put the ball in play and bring in some runs”

Me in response to HoHo from previous blog: “It’s just difficult to me to cheer too much for a player hitting a homerun when a routine single would have done the job. It’s good that he was successful … but nothing is more frustrating than seeing someone swinging for the fences … and knowing that we would have a better chance if he weren’t.”

By bravesfansince83

May 16, 2006 10:39 PM | Link to this

OK. Laroche just cost the Braves again. He had two choices on that play in the 11th: (1) get the guy at home; (2) throw to 2nd and get back to the bag. To blame McBride for not covering is not fair. He couldn’t have gotten there. It’s like Laroche moves in slow motion. I’m sorry- the guy’s gotta go.

By hk

May 16, 2006 10:40 PM | Link to this

… way to hustle, Chipper !!!!!

By hk

May 16, 2006 10:44 PM | Link to this

… charactor …

By MBATL

May 16, 2006 10:44 PM | Link to this

Del, I just don’t think you shake up your lineup based on who’s hot… I think CJ is a 3 hitter, and McCann is a 5-7 hitter, longterm. But, if Brian keeps it up, tough to keep a good man down. Guys learn roles and you don’t want to jerk them around in the lineup more than necessary (see Marcus Giles!).

Journalist, CJ’s OBP is higher than McCann’s, and just now he “did it again…”, got on base, for the big guns (AJ and Frenchy) to drive him home. I’d love to see a HR once in a while, from either of the Jones boys, but seems to me even Chipper’s slumps are productive. Except for injuries and being a ‘good ol boy’, I’ve never understood the critiicism of CJ… but that’s just me.

Hey, we win!

By Bob, journalist jg

May 16, 2006 10:45 PM | Link to this

Dogone, Matt didn’t hit a homerun!

By student

May 16, 2006 10:47 PM | Link to this

Frankly, to claim that the play was Laroche’s fault is just plain ignorant. Pitchers are always supposed to get over there to cover, its very tough for Laroche to make it back there and MacBride could indeed have gotten there if he’d broken for the bag immediately like he should have. Its easy to pile on, but that wasn’t his fault at all.

By journalist

May 16, 2006 10:48 PM | Link to this

wow! diaz is hot! good at-bat for chipper, he got one after having an 0-2 count. it’s fun to face borowski, huh? andruw smoked that ball he hit. francoeur moved him over with a broken bat hit. does nobody on the marlins relief staff throw cheese? they needed some cheese. let’s send ‘em moylan for uggla.

By MBATL

May 16, 2006 10:55 PM | Link to this

This team kinda’ refuses to lose - or at least to go easily, doesn’t it? I like it!

By elbravo x

May 16, 2006 10:55 PM | Link to this

so who won? this west coast thing is nerve killing!

By Joe Roman

May 16, 2006 11:00 PM | Link to this

DOB!! Your kind words for Neil Young and Kyle Davies in the same column speak volumes. You’ve got an eye for talent. All Young needs is a big band album, and he will have done genius level work in every pop music idiom. Are you old enough to have seen any of the “Rust Never Sleeps” tours? He goes from ‘playing on eleven’ grunge to solo acoustic with everything else thrown in the middle. Amazing. As for Davies, I hope he’s learned his lesson about playing hurt and toughing it out. Otherwise, I’d take people’s money if they wanted to bet against his success.

By elbravo x

May 16, 2006 11:05 PM | Link to this

ok, we won. who are the fourth and fith starters? I SHOULD NOT SAY THIS, but beating the Marlins and D.C. is not an accompliment, they are playing rookies, and we barely win. excited, but very concerned!

By MEB

May 16, 2006 11:09 PM | Link to this

MBATL… I couldn’t agree with you more. This is a very likable team. This is one of the more interesting Braves teams I can ever remember. As much as I want a true leadoff hitter, a big bat at first base, another starting pitcher, and a true closer, I like this team enough that it would be sad to break it up.

By CharlotteDave

May 16, 2006 11:27 PM | Link to this

What makes Davies a special prospect is that he has three quality pitches: a curve, change up, and fastball. While his fastball isn’t overpowering, it is consistently in the low nineties and equivalent to even better than that because of his change of pace. As we’ve seen though, he isn’t a finished product yet, but I think he’ll have his share of big moments this year.

By Bob, journalist jg

May 16, 2006 11:32 PM | Link to this

bravesfansince83, Hey newcommer, I’ve been a Braves fan since 48. Seriously, I didn’t see the play to which you referred … but, heard it … the announcers said that McBride blew it.

I suspect that that’s true … why do you assert that to blame McBride for not covering is not fair … why do you say he couldn’t have gotten there? It’s hard to imagine a situation where the Pitcher isn’t expected to be able to cover First.

Of course, some insensitive folks with less experience than us … might suggest that he just lost focus, wasn’t giving 100%, or misjudged the situation.

By hk

May 16, 2006 11:44 PM | Link to this

… Braves 5 behind Mets (up 4-3 7th, rain delay) 3.5 behind Philly (lost 3-2) ..

By Bob, journalist jg

May 16, 2006 11:54 PM | Link to this

Hk, I’ve figured out you were refeence … the last paragraph of my last post, LOL … No, seriously, I’ve figured it out … Matt is a role player … his role is to play against the Marlins … hitting a cool 900 against them!

By MBATL

May 16, 2006 11:58 PM | Link to this

a real buzz-kill, el bravo! We ain’t the ‘27 Yankees, and nothing is gonna come easy for this team. But, they don’t give credit for margin of victory, and we’ve squared up pretty well with the Mets… though not so well with the Phillies. We’re doing just what we have to do, beating the teams we’re supposed to beat, and the schedule remains in our favor.

Bob, McBride should’ve covered … he was hustling over, but was a step or two slow getting off the mound. It was a quick play and would’ve been a ‘highlight’ if we’d have turned it. No way LaRoche could’ve gotten back to the bag, a throw to the plate would’ve been a huge risk, and no need (opportunity?) to berate anyone, the way I saw it…

By Brian

May 17, 2006 12:04 AM | Link to this

Great blog on Davies. No way should the Braves sell Davies short. Look at Schmidt’s stats at first with the Braves, then look at his work with Pitt and SF. He is a keeper. He and James should anchor our rotation for many years.

I also agree that the Braves should bring back Glavine for an encore performance - he and/or Maddux would be huge to have in the clubhouse with our young guys (not to mention an obvious upgrade to SOSA).

I also agree that people should drop the LaRoche thing. Cut on him for not hitting. He has paid for his lazy mistake and then some.

Even though the comeback wins are against two of the worst teams in the ML, they are still comeback wins which are a sight for sore eyes this year.

Great job Francoeur (I cannot call you Frenchy because there seems to be no surrender in you)

By hk

May 17, 2006 12:10 AM | Link to this

… Frenchy now tied for Braves lead in hits with Edgar (43), Andruw 42, Brian 38 ..

… Andruw 9 homers, Frenchy 8, (at that rate, 33 for the season) …

… Andruw 77 total bases, Frenchy 75, Brian 62, Edgar 57, Adam 53

By Bob, journalist jg

May 17, 2006 12:15 AM | Link to this

MBATL, Hi youngster!

I assumed as much … and am sure that my “tongue-in-Cheek” was recognised by everyone as just a “hello” to those who shall not be named.

Thanks! WGST is good but our announcers aren’t as good at painting a mental picture as old Jim Woods … too much TV announcing.

By bravesfansince83

May 17, 2006 12:15 AM | Link to this

Bob and MBATL, I stand by what I said. Maybe Laroche couldn’t have gotten back, but he had as good of a chance as McBride, and only McBride was running to the bag. I was watching the play, and I certainly don’t need Ron Gant (best foul ball HR hitter in the history of MLB) to explicate for me. However, I am excited that the team pulled out the victory (notice I was careful not to say Laroche cost us the game-I held out hope…) Bob- if you’re a radio listener, I love you for that- great way to enjoy a baseball game. You’re right- I’m a newcommer (sp?). But I love the Braves, and I guess you do too. I do think they can pull out another division title. Let’s hope so. Maybe we’ll talk again.

By hk

May 17, 2006 12:19 AM | Link to this

Bob,

… notice how peaceful it is tonight ?? … ahhhh … no (code name) :)) …

By hoho

May 17, 2006 12:19 AM | Link to this

BOB JOURNALIST- we were listening on the radio and i can tell you that mcbride was supposed to make the play and cover 1st. heck, if pete and don say it’s so i know it is. the pitcher almost always covers 1st in that kind of double play. NOTICE however that mcbride didn’t get rattled after the error (i think it was an error) and finished shutting them down (hope john thompson was paying attention).

how about that catcher’s interference? any of y’all see it? as i said, we were listening on radio. that’s a rare call. sutton said he couldn’t remember being around the braves when it was called. but i thought it was called a few years back when javy strattled the lines in the catchers box. something like that, geez why do we remember things like that? oh, because it’s baseball, that’s right.

chipper is always one to get on base with two outs. usually a walk. good ole’ chip. i don’t know about hitting 3rd though- i know, he’s “comfortable” there. geez! just hit. their role is essentially the same in every situation: examine the specific game situation, check with your coach, do your best at the plate. but i’m no ball player, but i could spot one if i see him ( or her).

By MBATL

May 17, 2006 12:24 AM | Link to this

bravesfansince83, it’s all good!

Looks like the weather has cleared in St. Louie… go Cards!

Bob, who’s Jim Woods? Either before my time or out of my listening range (or both!). Anyway, good to hear from you tonight. Baseball on the radio is the best… perfect backdrop to keep all the other noise in perspective.

By bravesfansince83

May 17, 2006 12:27 AM | Link to this

I had no idea that everyone put so much stock in the announcers. If you’re listening on the radio, I suppose you’re at their mercy. But try to use your own eyes, ears and heads people. Do you also still get your news from Dan Rather, Tom Brokaw and Peter Jennnings? (How’s that for a setup line?)

By hk

May 17, 2006 12:28 AM | Link to this

… Mets up 6-3 in the 8th (groan) ..

By MBATL

May 17, 2006 12:31 AM | Link to this

hoho, I saw the catcher’s interference in slo-mo on t.v., but it was pretty marginal. The glove was right there when the bat went through the zone, but hard to see any contact. I’m like you though… think I remember seeing it called a time or two over the years watching the Braves.

Regarding the play at first, I’d certainly defer to Pete and Don, as they know the game much better than me. Just didn’t look like a terrible lack of hustle to me … and that it would have been one heck of a play if we’d made it, but who knows? Winning makes it easy to forget what might have been.

By David O'Brien

May 17, 2006 12:34 AM | Link to this

Bob and MBATL, I’m in complete agreement on the play. McBride should’ve covered and he knew it, admitted he made a mistake after the game.

Hoho, very astute point about McBride overcoming adversity and certain other pitchers not doing same. So much blame was hoisted on LaRoche, and rightfully so, on Sunday, but how ‘bout maybe gathering yourself as a pitcher after giving up the next hit, then maybe stopping the bleeding? McBride, the kid, did that tonight.

Doesn’t matter who they’re against, wins are wins. The Mets beat up on losing teams to help get their record where it is, and the Braves are the team playing 38 of their first 50 on the road.

By hk

May 17, 2006 12:37 AM | Link to this

… now 8-3 ( bottom 8th) ..

By bravesfansince83

May 17, 2006 12:41 AM | Link to this

MBATL- I agree with your conclusion. It would have been a great play if we’d have made it. Perhaps no one was at fault. I think I was reacting to the announcers’ criticism of McBride, which I considered unwarranted, and I’m pretty sure it was based upon a reluctance to throw any more criticism on Laroche, given recent events. It’s too complicated (and unnecessary) to dissect the play any further, but suffice to say that it’s not always the pitcher’s job to cover 1st. He should always run for the bag, but on a hard hit ball, it’s the first baseman’s job to throw and get back.

You’re right that winning fixes everything. Team’s on a roll. Hope they can keep it going…

By gotigers72

May 17, 2006 12:49 AM | Link to this

Davies IS awfully young to be a major league pitcher, but he won’t be a SUCCESSFUL major league pitcher until he does 2 things. 1 - Throw more strikes. He throws way too many pitches, and except for 2-3 games, he almost never gets past the 6th inning because of his pitch count and tendency to pitch from behind in the count. 2 - GET THE FREAKIN” BALL DOWN. And by down, I mean mid thigh and below. His fastball has little movement, which makes it necessary for it to be kept down. That is why he gives up so many homers. I do expect him to be an above average pitcher in the bigs, and I know he’s trying to throw strikes and keep it down, but he has to find a way to do those things.

Come to think of it, Sosa has the exact same problems. People talk about the Mets needing 4th and 5th starters, but so do the Braves. Sosa and Davies have ERAs over 6. Not good enough.

By hoho

May 17, 2006 12:55 AM | Link to this

BFS83- since ‘83 and you had no idea people put so much stock in the announcers? heck, in 83-90 that’s about all we had to help enjoy the game (especially on radio). the news is something we all take in differently depending on political views, occupation, personal concerns, family background, etc. baseball is baseball and the announcers are part of it, like keeping a score card or which pitcher gets the win. actually i think the announcers are more important than either of those, especially pitchers wins and losses.

BTW, concerning the whole villareal thing, etc. does anyone know if the pitchers blown save is “recorded in his stats” if his team rallies and “gets him the win”? in other words, can he be credited with a blown save AND a win for the same game?

i like oscar, he’s a great addition to the pen. as far as laroache (how many ways has it been attempted to be spelled correctly? someone get on that please), let’s let it go, it’s done. how contrite can he be? his team mates are behind him. they’ve played two games since and won. look ahead. “it’s a long season” as they always say. and i’m glad it is.

By Meatball

May 17, 2006 12:57 AM | Link to this

A win is a win. You can’t take away from it because it was the Marlins, and they beat the Nats. earlier in the week… I remember the first week of the season when the Mets were winning games at home. A couple of them were even during the last at bats. And that’s how the Mets got that big lead, they played them first. Now it’s the Braves turn. Good for them for finding a way to get it done. One day Chipper will hit again, McCann will play against lefties and Sosa will be in Bangor. And all will be well.

By MBATL

May 17, 2006 12:59 AM | Link to this

hoho, DOB, THANK YOU… what got me more than anything on Sunday was the way we (thomson) fell apart after one error, whether mental or physical, not so much that we committed it.

bfs83 … not many of us are getting our news from Peter Jennings these days.

By bravesfansince83

May 17, 2006 01:00 AM | Link to this

Hmmmm- don’t really get the announcers comment. But I do love Don and Skip, et al. Hate it that they got squeezed from T.V.

As for your question- yes, you can get a BS and a W in the same appearance.

And I like Oscar too. Actually- I like this Braves team in general. Except for Laroche(and with that- good night my friends).

By bravesfansince83

May 17, 2006 01:03 AM | Link to this

Or Rather, or Brokaw… That’s why it was a setup line. (Don’t say I never did anything for you. And now, really, goodnight.)

By Bob, journalist jg

May 17, 2006 01:04 AM | Link to this

MBATL,

I didn’t mean to leave the participle dangling … it was before most people’s time. Jim Woods was the best radio announcer I’ve ever heard … I think better than Mell Allen or Bill Stern. All three are from long forgotten radio days … though most remember Mel Allen because he continued to be in the Baseball public eye until his recent death.

Jim announced Cracker Games in the late 1940s and early 1950s … before going with the Yankees. He had a deep voice and was fun to listen to … it was like you were there and saw every play, every pitch!

He was at his best when recreating away games in bad weather … when the teletype was unreliable and the information received over the wire was often garbled and limited. From knowing only that it as a single on a 3-2 pitch, he could create a totally believable, exciting atbat and resulting play … and sometimes, that was all he had to go on.

bravesfansince83,

I wasn’t suggesting that I necessairly accepted their rendition because were announcers … it’s just that what they reported makes sense, … and indeed, Listeners are dependent on what they’re told … that’s the reason I asked you to tell me why you posited as you did.

It’s good to get MBATL’s perspective because he’s a trusted, reliable source of information … especially since the rest of your comment seems to be a “non- responsive” response which I don’t understand … and don’t see the relevance of what you said.

So I ask again, why do you say what you said about McBride?

By Bob, journalist jg

May 17, 2006 01:14 AM | Link to this

hoho, did you see my earlier post to you … re: Aaron 1st base and other comments?

By hoho

May 17, 2006 01:19 AM | Link to this

BOB, i think MBATL signed off. hmm. anything else to keep this blog going?

i don’t really know about davies’ future as a great. when it comes to “stuff” i don’t really get it. is that movement on the ball or what? i just take the baseball guys’ word for it and move on.

i’ve enjoyed the little bit of cee-lo i’ve heard on radio. i’ve also heard 1 or 2 tunes off of neil young’s new one-quite good.

i’m really impressed with mcbride (error withstanding). glad he’s come back strong form the DL.
dontrelle willis pitched well tonight too. well enough to start up some trade rumors again. let’s hear it, come on!

By Bob, journalist jg

May 17, 2006 01:21 AM | Link to this

HK, it is rather peaceful … nice out too! Our fan since 83 certainly has a different perspective than others regarding McBride’s failure to cover 1st base … I wonder if he would blame Adam if Andruw dropped a routine fly? I suppose you could argue that he lost sight of it because he was busy checking to make sure that Adam was awake and ready to take the relay throw.

By MBATL

May 17, 2006 01:28 AM | Link to this

hmm, indeed.

By hoho

May 17, 2006 01:28 AM | Link to this

yes bob. thanks for the info on hammerin’ hank. my all time favorite player. that’s just my perspective as it was as a kid and now, nothing has occured to change my mind. i like what he says about strikeouts. he refers to them as somewhat shameful, like they had a lot of pride and didn’t want to be on that 100 k’s list for the season. heck, these days it’s accepted as a part of being a power hitter.

heard buck belew talking about chipper’s power outage. actually he was dmaning those who say chipper’s in a power outage. i liked that he pointed out that the only number that really matters is RBI. i can’t disagree.

By Bob, journalist jg

May 17, 2006 01:37 AM | Link to this

I can’t decide if McBride is going to be good or really good … I’ll bet that he’ll be steady. If you trace it back far enough … McBrides are a branch of our family tree … so I always pull for him.

I just couldn’t see why the fan since 83 was so intent on faulting LaRouch on the play and insisting that McBride couldn’t be expected to cover 1st base … Of course assumed that I knew … but was trying to see if he was so blinded by his dislike for Adam that he really believed it to be true becausee he wanted to be … or if he was just taking the opportunity to bash.

If you didn’t see my post to you on Arron and other things, he never played 1st for the Brewers … primarily was the DH. He played some begining in about 68 and alot in 71 and 72 I think, returning to the outfield after that.

In that post, I talk about the things you mentioned in your post to me, asking about Hank.

By Bob, journalist jg

May 17, 2006 01:43 AM | Link to this

Opps, you’ve already responded to what I just sent. I can disagree … but do directionally agree that certainly RBIs are 100 times more important than HRs. How you get them is less important than grtting them.

I disagree for reasons we’ve already discussed … you can have 100 rbis and still havent done your job … or have 70 and been the MBP … at least in my eyes.

By hoho

May 17, 2006 01:43 AM | Link to this

and how many players in mlb history have been double mc’s? mckay mcbride right? that is special, mcspecial actually. go on and root for him mcbob, i know i am. solid lefty it looks like. hope that helps bobby cox figure out a good bullpen rotation. two lefties doesn’t hurt. just hope he’s selective with using remlinger.

By Bob, journalist jg

May 17, 2006 01:53 AM | Link to this

That’s one thing we’re agreed upon … and I am indeed a BobMcB. If you get the chance and have nothing better to do, a couple of folks have commented that there been been some good posts over the last two days … it might be good to go back and read some of them … it helps to get to know more about thee folks with whom you’re talking … I’m going to try … if I don’t fall asleep first.

Take care!

By hoho

May 17, 2006 01:55 AM | Link to this

BOB- i think we’re splitting hairs here. RBI is more important than any stat. of course, within those rbi we could consider 2 out rbi, rbi w/ rummers on 2nd and 3rd, come from behind rbi, “walk off” rbi, ummm… rbi on turner south nights, tbs extra nights. i’ll stop there. you get my point.

on a lighter note: i think i only had to holler at sutton the radio once tonight.

BFS83: se the XM add sometimes on this page- “baseball was born on radio”- that’s why i think the announcers are so important. more so than any other sport they speak to us for some reason. i don’t know, it’s history man. can’t explain much more than that.

By Bob, journalist jg

May 17, 2006 01:59 AM | Link to this

HoHO, I think your right about the split Hairs.

Yes, but pete seemed flat … except when he got caught up in the excitement of the play.

In case you missed it, Glavine won.

By HEAD COACH

May 17, 2006 02:02 AM | Link to this

Another Francoeur homer ? gee whiz is this kid wearing a red suit with an S on it under his uniform ? Hudson is on his game , the sinkerballer is back. Andruw woke up and started pounding the ball again. Thats all the good things I have to say now pin your ears back cause this old goat of a coach is running short of patience with Bobby Cox. Giles stinks in the leadoff hole , Betemit is five tooler stud rotting on the bench , Davies pitching while hurt is just inexcusable , Chipper is playing hurt , yea Cox the guy is playing hurt , cant you see it ? Reitsma is a closer and I can walk on water. This 4-3 win is a 2-1 loss against a real baseball team , comeback wins are not going to happen like this against the talent of Philly , St.Louis , New York , Houston and San Deigo. Struggling to win against a bad baseball team does not inpress me one bit.

By MBATL

May 17, 2006 02:06 AM | Link to this

Russ Springer pitching to Bonds tonight was the funniest thing I’ve seen in a while. Go Russ!

By Bob, journalist jg

May 17, 2006 02:08 AM | Link to this

Coach, that’s why Bobby’s managing and you Blogging.

By Bob, journalist jg

May 17, 2006 02:12 AM | Link to this

MBATL, you make me want go listen to the game highlights … but I’m going to bed!

Really enjoyed your recent posts.

By brian

May 17, 2006 03:13 AM | Link to this

McBride is going to be great. For the first time since 02 we’ll finally have a great lefty in the pen.

Something being overlooked is that Lance Cormier has been great. Despite his last outing against the Brewers he’s been lights out. We get him back later this week! Also looks that James will be a starter in AAA until he gets stretched out. And that Lewer may be the starter on Sat rather than Smith b/c of the 40 man roster

By Evil Monkey

May 17, 2006 04:26 AM | Link to this

I think Davies has the mentality and poise of a great pitcher, but the stuff of just a decent one. He’s not Felix Hernandez or even Taylor Buchholz as far as stuff goes, but I think he’ll be a solid #2 pitcher, maybe something like what Hudson is now for us. He’s definitely no bust though.

I think Chuck James (b***) is the best young pitching prospect the Braves have.

On a different note, please play Betemit more Bobby.

By Jeff

May 17, 2006 08:14 AM | Link to this

O’Brien is spot on. Davies is a kid, a green pitcher who’s going to need time to develop. He mentions Glavine and Maddux getting roughed up early in their careers. Check out other good or great pitchers’ early numbers (Nolan Ryan comes to mind): nothing to write home about. With so many young players on the roster, and others on the way from the bushes, Braves fans need to expect some bumpy rides for a while.

By Greg Smith

May 17, 2006 08:26 AM | Link to this

bravesfansince83 I’m braves fan since 66. You are completely wrong. I love McBride but he has to cover first. That is a basic they work over and over again in spring training.

By Chico Escuela

May 17, 2006 08:44 AM | Link to this

DOB,

What does Matt Diaz have to do to break into the Braves’ everyday lineup? Any firstbase experience in his background?

I love Ryan Langerhans, but do not envision him as an everyday player.

By Bob, journalist jg

May 17, 2006 08:49 AM | Link to this

HoHo, reflecting on the RBI question … maybe our differences were more than splitting hairs … I really think that those who don’t care about the strikeouts so long as the RBI are there … are wrong.

If it were, two players with the same number of RBI and games played would be considered to be equal value to the team.

Taking it to the extreme: Two players came to the plate 500 times, each having 100 RBI … one struckout 400 times and the other got on base the same number of times.

Actually, it’s hard for me imagine a scenario where excessive strikeouts are excusable because of a player’s RBI level … to so justify the strikeouts is to suggest that the team would not score as many runs if the player struckout less … and I opine that to be highly unlikely. In cases where it is true, I think that I’d be looking for more than one player replacement.

Of course, there are some players where I think striking out is the preferred option when runners are on base with less than 2 outs.

By Bob, journalist jg

May 17, 2006 09:09 AM | Link to this

Chico, not that I necessarily disagree about Ryan … but why do you not envision him as an everyday player? I would think that only his mother and the other ladies in his life could feel that way and not think he should be playing every day.

I think He’s better than Matt defensively and shows signs of becomming a solid hitter. I like seeing both Matt and Ryan in the lineup … trouble is, we have more than eight players that I feel should be playing every day.

By Matthew

May 17, 2006 09:30 AM | Link to this

I for one am now officially excited again. It seems that things are starting to balance out. The Mutts are playing the divisional leaders (although they won last night-ugh) while the Braves are playing the cellar dwellers. I don’t care if they win in the last at-bat; it gives them the experience of the pressure of a close game while being able to savor the win. This gives them practice and allows them to handle pressure games against quality competition.

Have I mentioned lately that TW stinks? Reducing the number of Braves games on TBS cuts down how often I get to see them. I don’t live where I can get FS South (I get southwest) and I don’t get Turner South. To top it off, I have dial-up internet at home because the DSL stuff won’t go out that far. Therefore I can’t watch them online. So I watch ESPNEWS and Sportscenter waiting for highlights, then come on here in the morning where I have a faster connection. I love the dialogue, but I haven’t seen Smoltz pitch in two weeks! Grumble….

Keep it up Bravos…you’ve closed the gap to 5 1/2!!!

By journalist jimmy smith

May 17, 2006 09:40 AM | Link to this

journalist jimmy smith thinks that journalist bob must be sleep deprived but still is pretty sharp this morning. this journalist does not mean to criticize chipper jones but it seems that many times when jimmy smith encounters a truism (or what jimmy smith believes to be a truism) about baseball, chipper is involved. now, chipper has been an mvp. he has been the face of the team for a number of years now and all the little children have loved him. that said, journalist was taught that baseball involved giving up self occassionally to accomplish the team’s goal. chipper has been our power hitter. now, his role may be changing of necessity. early in the count if chipper can knock one out of the park, jimmy smith thinks that is just fine. down in the count. jimmy smith was taught to try to put the ball in play. nothing fancy, just push it to the right side and advance renteria. jimmy smith remembers when the walter alston-led dodgers used to come to town and wear out the braves with national league baseball. nl baseball to jimmy smith means you have the ability to score a run without a hit. players throughout the lineup can bunt and advance a runner. every player on the team is willing to give himself up to advance the runner and score a run. journalist jimmy smith is not clear on this but thinks he recalls smoltz commenting a couple seasons back that some braves hitters would not give themselves up. oh, well, this is an exciting team. renteria is awesome, and mccann, and now francoeur. andruw has been driving in runs and betemit and diaz have been solid off the bench. the starters are improving but the rotation is getting thin. the pen is still the pen but paronto and mcbride are looking like they can help. reitsma scares jimmy smith. the “p” players are a weakness and first base is not producing like some teams would demand. is there more magic on the farm?

By Hal

May 17, 2006 09:54 AM | Link to this

While scanning this blogs a couple of thoughts occured like for one all of these people so frantic for Horacios return to replace one of the starters must have a very selective memory! this is the same guy everyone wanted out of the rotation before his injury.I seem to rember a lot of “homer Ho ” comments a month ago .Second, a number three hitter is most certainly suppose to be your best hitter not the case with the braves for a very long time now our number three hitter kills more rallys then larouche and fancouer combined and has since ohhh about 2000 but i know thats not popular in hotlanta or with Bc so it will remain that way

By journalist jimmy smith dabbling in hartebeest sales

May 17, 2006 10:05 AM | Link to this

carolina lady, a crow report, please. then, jimmy smith must share some disturbing news. the wild hartebeest has arrived in the united states and is awaiting shipment to carolina lady. as you know, jimmy smith thought he had this order cancelled, but apparently not. should the hartebeest arrive before you and jimmy smith have a chance to talk, it is best that you remain indoors until he has acclimated himself to the area. also, a bb gun will not be an effective deterrent if he decides to eat carolina lady’s flowers or vegetables. best that he acquire a taste for crows. lady may wish to take some crows from the freezer to whet the hartebeest appetite. have a good day!

By Matthew

May 17, 2006 10:38 AM | Link to this

I’m not a huge fan of HoRam either, but he is the best we have available. I think he could be a good lefty starter but he gives up too many long balls. If we could get a better one, i’d be all for it. But we have to make the best of what we have, and right now, HoRam is it (until James gets ready).

By John Adcox

May 17, 2006 10:47 AM | Link to this

Personally, I really, really LIKE the way Bobby Cox is using Pratt and McCann. Not that I wouldn’t like to see McCann’s bat in the lineup everynight, but catching is a grueling position, and I’d love it if the kid had something left at the end of the season. I honestly believe he and McBride are very special players. I can’t wait to see how they develop.

Speaking of the Marcus, has he been watching LaRoche? He seems to have developed that same sweeping arc in his swing, meaning that, unlike with a nice, compact, level swing, the bat doesn’t spend much time in the plane of the ball. The result? Strikes and popups. Does anyone else agree?

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By John Adcox

May 17, 2006 10:48 AM | Link to this

Personally, I really, really LIKE the way Bobby Cox is using Pratt and McCann. Not that I wouldn’t like to see McCann’s bat in the lineup everynight, but catching is a grueling position, and I’d love it if the kid had something left at the end of the season. I honestly believe he and McBride are very special players. I can’t wait to see how they develop.

Speaking of the Marcus, has he been watching LaRoche? He seems to have developed that same sweeping arc in his swing, meaning that, unlike with a nice, compact, level swing, the bat doesn’t spend much time in the plane of the ball. The result? Strikes and popups. Does anyone else agree?

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By Bob, journalist jg

May 17, 2006 11:12 AM | Link to this

Chop Chop … I probably disagree with you regarding the current president, but I like the way you stated your opinion.

I held similiar opinions about the previous President and her errant husband.

I think they all try to do what they think is best for the Country … it just sometimes that seems to be “keeping their party in power”.

I have truly enjoyed reading of Will Rogers’ taking on the President and the Congress … but his was Grand Opera … compared to the disrespectful and vulgar attempts we see today.

I find it interesting how the Bush Family seems to have adopted Bill Clinton … almost as interesting as when Ike and Mamie snubbed Harry and Bess. The two Presidents are to be applauded for the work they’ve done together!

Hopefully my posts show me to be sensitive to human and civil rights … but I support strict enforcement of the laws regarding immigration and feel that (1) those in this country illegally should be required to leave; except in special circumstances and (2) those knowingly abetting or employing them should be punished in strict accordance with the law.

I promise to put away my 20 foot pole … and not touch politics or religion again … at least until I find a good 30 footer.

By RW

May 17, 2006 11:25 AM | Link to this

What happened to Chuck James? Is he hurt?

By Bob, journalist jg

May 17, 2006 11:37 AM | Link to this

John Adcox, I don’t know about any fundamental change in Giles’ swing plane. I consider his to be an atypical batting style … but, he’s been somewhat successful with it … when he’s right, he seems to have good bat control and hits a lot of line drives.

Opposing coaches and pitchers will find ways to exploit atypical batting styles … and that may, to some extent, be happening to Giles. I imagine that it’s a lifelong adjustment battle for most “atypical” hitters and, as a result, would expect them to have periods inconsistency.

By Bob, journalist jg

May 17, 2006 12:01 PM | Link to this

Jimmy Smith is pretty sharp too … but I think it’s a problem of caps, not toes … just put starters caps on the right people and “benchwarmer” caps on the rest so that Bobby will know which is which.

What kind of commission do you get on the sale of a hartebeest? There might be a market for them as an alternate form of transportation … they’re mighty fast and aren’t bad with regard to gas … if they’re kept on the right diet … doubt that crow meat would be feasible.

You’re right … too sleppy to tell if it’s time to go to bed … but I’m going to do that soon!

By David O'Brien

May 17, 2006 01:32 PM | Link to this

Someone asked about Diaz and first base _ hasn’t played it in pro ball, but he’s been taking grounders there lately, for what it’s worth. A lot of guys roam over there and take grounders, but I think Diaz was asked to so they could at least see if he has the aptitude to play there.

If he keeps hitting like this, he’ll play plenty in left. He’s already made it a platoon, it appears, since Langerhans has been slumping for a month or so.

Regarding Chuck James, I hope the question was a joke, about whether he’s hurt. Because someone keeps asking, despite the fact we keep reporting updates on him. Read the notes, man. He’s been on DL, starts a rehab assignment tonight, should be activated next week.

By JOn

May 17, 2006 01:33 PM | Link to this

Hey DOB, I read on Braves.net where Tyler Yates threw 2 shut out innings the other day, occasionally topping 100 mph. How is he doing and do you see him as a potential closer with stuff like his?

Thanks a million

By bdub

May 17, 2006 02:58 PM | Link to this

Hey DOB, I went to Alabama and had the honor of watching Lance Cormier pitch every Friday night. The guy was an inning eater. He pitched 8 innings every time out and reminded you alot of a young right handed Tom Glavine college version anyway. Is there any way he would be considered (once healthy) for the rotation given there is a spot due to current or future injury. I beleive Lance has been a starter at every level until now???

By JOB

May 17, 2006 03:04 PM | Link to this

DOB, Caught your interview on local sports talk radio in Kansas City. Good stuff Capt. Jayhawk. By the way, RHCP double disc is a great buy. Rick Rubin strikes again. As a Royals fan and KC native, my pain is deep. However, I attended the D-Rays/White Sox game last night at Tropicana “Field”. I can now attend the horror shows at Kaufman Stadium knowing it could be worse—-they could be playing in that septic tank of a baseball facility in St. Pete.The horror, the horror….

By David O'Brien

May 17, 2006 03:05 PM | Link to this

Cormier won’t start. he’s not stretched out for that, at all, and hasn’t started in a long time. can’t just move a guy from bullpen with no recent experience and no innings built up and expect him to go 5-7 innings right away. he’s not being considered for starting, especially since they need him in ‘pen.

As for Yates _ anybody hitting 100 mph is going to get consideration for the closer role, almost without exception. Just no sure how soon he’ll be ready for the majors.

By David O'Brien

May 17, 2006 03:09 PM | Link to this

The Trop is a disaster. World’s worst place to attend a baseball game, especially now that “The Big O” in Montreal is off the baseball grid.

By TexasBraveFan

May 17, 2006 05:20 PM | Link to this

Renteria needs to lead off and Giles needs to return to the #2 spot. Renteria’s on base pct is fantastic and Giles will see more fastballs in the #2 hole when Renteria’s aboard. Moreover, Giles can bunt him over when the situation dictates. To continue producing like he has, McCann needs to rest occasionally: Day game after a night game and against lefties. CJ should stay in the #3 slot; he’ll produce if he’s healthy. Actually, I’d like to see him become the first baseman and let Betemit take over 3d base. I too love Langerhans, but I think he’s better suited as a late inning defensive replacement and pinch hitter than he is as a starter. Give Diaz a chance to play everyday; he’s better than average defensively and I think he will hit with more power than Langerhans.

By Ahsan

May 18, 2006 12:29 AM | Link to this

DOB,

If the Marlins were willing to trade Willis do you think the Braves would be interested? And what are the chances of Glavine returning as a Brave?

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