Braves

By Marc

May 15, 2006 05:17 PM | Link to this

I believe Laroach is a good guy, and I hate the fact that he is now going to be booed a ton. But the fact of the matter is, he is not very good. (and no for all of you smarta** I don’t think I can do better.) I agree he can pick it at first base, but he also makes a lot of lazy stupid plays. His hitting is ridiculous, his swing is to long, he strikesout to much, and every year he falls into a prolonged slump. To me 1st Base is more about offense than defense. Your 1st baaseman should be a consistent offensive force. Just look at the other 1st baseman in baseball, Pujols, Helton, Ryan Howard, Lee, Giambi, etc. The problem has been the Braves lineup has had no real presencat 1st or in the 5 hole. I don’t think we can wait for LaRoach anymore. The fact is this team has talent, and being only six games back the Braves are right in this. With Ramirez coming back, and Chuck James waiting in the wings the starters are okay. Smoltz, Hudson, Thomson, Ramirez, and Davies or James is a solid starting rotation. And by moving Sosa out of the rotation and into the bullpen, it gives the pen another hard thrower, and helps the rotation. In the outfield Jones is solid, Franceur is coming around, and Langerhans is a solid defender and line drive hitter, Kelly Johnson when healthy provides good depth for left field. To me the Braves need a solid, good hitting 1st baseman, and a closer. Even Giles hitting leadoff, is fine, I believe he will come around. I just don’t think the Braves can wait any longer to grab a 1st baseman and a closer. If we pick up an established closer than you have Villareal, Reitsma, Cormier, Sosa, Ray, and McBride to set up. that is not bad. If yo ugrab a solid 1st baseman, the lineup than consists of GIles, Renteria, Jones, Jones, 1st baseman, Franceur, Mccann, and Langerhans. That is a well balanced lineup, with some pop at the bottom. I think the only other place the Braves really need to improve is the bench, beyond Betemit, and maybe Jordan, the Braves are very thin there. Anyways, just my thoughts, I hope the Braves are able to shore up these weak spots, because I really think we have a shot at this division title.

By Dissatisfied

May 15, 2006 05:21 PM | Link to this

Dave,

Count me in as one of those fans not happy about Adam Laroche. And really, the debacle yesterday I feel like is just a symptom of this guy’s problem. I think he just non-chalants a lot of at-bats as well as a lot of plays on the field. I just think that’s the way he is. What’s more alarming to me is that he’s playing at a position where you need run production at the plate and he is not and really has not gotten the job done since he’s been in Atlanta. He’s got a long, looping swing that I know frustrates TP, and I really don’t think that he’s going to be a long term answer for us at first base. Thorman could be a solution, but has Wilson Betemit ever played first? I mean we’ve gotta get his bat in the lineup somehow on an everyday basis.

By Andy

May 15, 2006 05:23 PM | Link to this

DOB amazing blog—very good. My thoughts on the LaRoche blunder are pretty much in accord with you. It was a blunder in one game that was not the end all be all—if it keeps happening (or something like it again)maybe scream for action. If he was on a hitting tear like frenchy it would be bad—but not “boo you like Bonds” bad. I hope this “wakes” him up—I think it might. And thanks for the pre-emtive strikes against so many post angles…oh and you ABSOLUTLY HAVE TO CHANGE THE TITLE!!!(laroache might not survive)

By Eric M. Webb

May 15, 2006 05:27 PM | Link to this

For the time being, and as it stands right now, I believe we are a better team with Jordan at first than Adam. Just my 2 cents.

By Rutuger

May 15, 2006 05:31 PM | Link to this

It was just an unfortunate time for him to make this mental error. As Jon Kruk said, if Adam was hitting .300 with 12 homers, it wouldn’t be as big of a big deal, but he’s become a liability in the order, and this was the last thing he needed.

With that said, his remorse is genuine and I believe his desire to reconcile with the fans via on-field success will be sincere (considering he wants to stay on the team). He has been capable of some good things in the past and his glove is always sure. I know he’s a good guy, but that was one hell of a stinker of a play, and unfortunately for him it appears to have directly led to a loss.

Frustrations are high for us Atlanta fans this season, and although what Rochy did was horrid, let’s be sure we aren’t using him as the whipping boy for all of these frustrations. Sit him a couple of games and let him get back, it’ll probably do him some good anyways.

And I completely agree with yesterday’s boos, but they should stay with yesterday. He effed up, he knows it, now let’s move on.

By bob

May 15, 2006 05:32 PM | Link to this

this is BS. He has no hustle in him at all, sick or not. LaRoche strikes out more than anybody on the team. Where is that Jurries kid that almost made the team. Trade LaRoche for help in the bullpen and call up the future at first base. He is at least on his second strike so to speak with Bobby. Since we all know how prone he is to striking out, I wouldn’t be surprised to see him gone by the trade deadline.

P.S. He was feeling well enough to stand in the box and concentrate enough to hit a grand slam in the playoffs, but not well enough to hustle home from second in the same game. Half of our pitching staff can do that. There’s no excuse for that. I think it was Joe Namath who once played a football game with a broken leg, yet LaRoche can’t run because he feels sick. Give me a break.

By Larvell

May 15, 2006 05:32 PM | Link to this

I’ve seen enough of Adam LaRoche.

Is Jeff Conine available?

Surely we could find a solid, dependable firstbaseman from the American League.

Brian Jordan is a short-term solution, & not experienced at first.

I hope this debacle on first prompts the organization to play Salty at first so he can help the big team next season or after.

By Chop Chop

May 15, 2006 05:33 PM | Link to this

For the record, I think LaRoche will be fine. I just know that he can’t afford to screw up like that again anytime soon. I also know that if LaRoche were to hit a pinch-hit HR tonight that puts the Braves in a position to win, that would do a lot to get fans back on his side.

DOB, in regards to LaRoche’s ADD, it’s up to him whether he takes medication or not, but if that medication would help him pay more attention on the diamond, he is irresponsible if he doesn’t take it. There are plenty of people out there who use medication for ADD, depression, anxiety and any number of other disorders, so there’s no shame in it. I understand that his problem is obviously more public than most, but he probably owes it to himself to try to find a different medication that might not have as many side effects. Of course, that doesn’t mean he won’t have situations like he had yesterday. However, it does mean that he would be less likely to forget that yesterday happened. I don’t mean that as a joke. From what I hear, ADD is a very tricky problem.

By brent

May 15, 2006 05:35 PM | Link to this

i think we are missing a major point, the first base umpire did make the wrong call

By Jon

May 15, 2006 05:38 PM | Link to this

Chipper and Andruw, I would assert, are not far enough in their career to be considered “aging veterans.” Therefore, RUN on the basepaths, you two, and spare me any hand-wringing about what might happen to your delicate hamstrings. At least you can count LaRoche’s mental lapses on one hand; the Jones boys have been lazing down the baseline an entire career.

By Chop Chop

May 15, 2006 05:50 PM | Link to this

brent, the only way an ump could’ve made that call correctly is to guess. The fact that replays showed that LaRoche touched the bag an inch before Johnson’s foot did only enhances the point that LaRoche did not hustle. Johnson should’ve been out four or five strides, not an inch. LaRoche left considerable room for doubt when there should have been none.

By Jamie in Richmond

May 15, 2006 05:50 PM | Link to this

My intial response to this blog: Gosh, O’Brien-…you sure do come across as arrogant. I could have guessed that LaLoaf was one of your favorites before you ever wrote it. Huge shock, really. While Sosa and Laroche have been equally awful, I’m going out on a limb here by guessing that you and Jorge arent exactly golfing buds. Just a hunch. You continue to talk about how wonderful the guy is defensively by throwing out fielding percentages. But he makes all sorts of mental errors that are never counted and his range is so limited he doesnt get to balls that other first baseman with quicker feet would. That fielding % stuff is so overrated, much like LaLazy’s defense. You played the standard card of excusing bad behavior by comparing it to worse behavior. Sounds like a Ted Kennedy line. Gotta love an argument like “well, it was bad but it wasnt a playoff game or a game in sept”. Nice logic Mr. OBrien..I’m sure any dad who tried to explain that play to their 8 yr old would have a hard time justifying it with a “well, atleast it wasnt a game 7”. Yeah, it can always be worse. Like he could have done it twice ysterday and not just once. Thats an awfully weak excuse, but I more or less expected it. If a baseball player needs to be reminded to “show more intensity”, as LaBum admitted, something is seriously wrong. See the excitement in Fenchy’s face after that walkoff? You think LaADD would have even pumped his fist or smiled? And yeah, it is about ADD, not because its an excuse for his behavior, but because of his selfishness in refusing to take medication that could potentially improve him as an assett to the team with improvement in little things, like, ah ya know..how many men are on base, how many outs are in an inning, etc. This joker has pulled similar stunts 4 or 5 times and for whatever reason (he’s Chipper’s best bud?) he’s gotten away with it until now. He’s a joke as a big leaguer and will never be half the player that Jordan is at 39 on two bad knees. I hope Atl fans run this bum out of town…

By doc

May 15, 2006 05:56 PM | Link to this

seems like laroche was pretty stand up about the bone headed effort and says he got a lashing form the skipper even though the skipper true to form wouldnt confirm it. let us give him the benefit of the doubt and hope whatever is his distraction will be less so because of this in the next few weeks. maybe this will be his wake up call.

lets not think we are so perfect we have all never acted in a similar manner for a day on the job. if he cant handle it in the next few weeks bs and bc will pull the plug, lets avoid piling on he has been appropriately contrite more o than any recent pro player i can remember. he has been as forthright as can be expected, back off if you are a fan. keep it up if you only get off on being critical.

By T Robb

May 15, 2006 05:56 PM | Link to this

My problem with AAAdam isn’t the torpid behavior, it’s the AAA speed bat (.222, 5 HRs, lots of Ks).

Betemit is tall, an infielder, hits for average and hits for power. Let’s try him.

By Palm Beach Representin'

May 15, 2006 05:59 PM | Link to this

Anyone up for an Adam LaRoche for Ryan Dempster deal?

By Lew

May 15, 2006 06:02 PM | Link to this

Even more than any ramifications for LaRoche’s career or the the first base situation, “THE ERROR” is more of a sign of the times for the Braves these days. I love the Braves and always have and will, but they are not playing good fundamental baseball as a team. Too many times this season, bunts haven’t been put down. Runners have not been advanced. Too many outside pitches pulled and grounded to the shortstop. The teams that don’t master the fundamentals to play sound baseball do not win regularly. Now we all know that Giles is better than he has shown this year; Chipper, Andruw and LaRoche, too. Yes, injuries definitely play a part- either serious or nagging, but the intensity of days past seems to be lacking this time around.

By Dr. Jay

May 15, 2006 06:03 PM | Link to this

OK… We have no closer to speak of, our bullpen is completely unpredictable, our first baseman is a narcoleptic stikeout king, the starters are one blown elbow away from disaster, and Chipper’s already been on the DL this year.

“Other than that, how did you like the play, Mrs. Lincoln?”

By David O'Brien

May 15, 2006 06:04 PM | Link to this

Jamie, I got to the “arrogant” comment in your post and stopped, then looked and saw who wrote it. Should’ve figured. Needless to stay, I stopped reading immediately. Honest, I hope there was nothing important in the rest of it. I’m pretty sure there wasn’t given your recent track record.

The rest of you, I like the feedback, and each one’s noted. I don’t have a problem with anything anyone said. And all the opinions are understandable. It’s not my place to tell you what you should think when you watch a guy play or hustle or not hustle or whatever. Just offering my views on the same subject.

Oh, my “arrogant” views. Forgot what our Triple-A friend said.

By Chop Chop

May 15, 2006 06:08 PM | Link to this

I’ll give LaRoche credit for accepting responsibility. Of course, if he hadn’t, I think he would be benched for a month or traded. The Braves generally don’t have primadonnas on the team because Bobby Cox won’t allow it.

By MBATL

May 15, 2006 06:16 PM | Link to this

DOB, great analysis. Thanks.

I don’t hold this against Adam any more than I hold it against an outfielder who fails to hit a cutoff man. It’s a mental error. Not good, but it happens. I still think he just thought he had more time to make the play.

My only concern with LaRoche is his hitting. We can’t afford a 1B who can’t hit. I still think he’ll work that out, but the clock is running on it.

If he’d have bounced the ball off his forehead, we’d still be trashing him, I suspect. The fact is, Thomson’s got to pitch around that error. It shouldn’t have opened the flood gates.

DOB, they said on SportsCenter that Adam has to be reminded sometimes when he’s up to bat. Is the attention deficit problem that bad? I’m not judging it… good for him for overcoming it as well as he has, just wondering about your take on the extent of it.

By journalist jimmy smith

May 15, 2006 06:17 PM | Link to this

perhaps hk could read journalist jimmy smith’s earlier post again, for understanding. hk misinterprets jimmy smith’s remarks. this journalist is not looking for contrived enthusiasm. instead, jimmy smith asks why a team does not exhibit more fire and emotion in competition? is it not cool or not “professional”? several remarks have been made in the blog recently about players not seeming to care if the team has lost. if jimmy smith does not run as hard as hk to first base is that okay with hk in a close game? teammate hk is okay with that?

yes, it is early but game tickets cost the same now as they do in august. why should we expect or tolerate seeing languid performances? does hk want to buy a ticket on a night the braves’ players decide to pace themselves (your term)?

does the team have a better chance at a win with an athlete that is able to run out a ground ball than one who must pace himself for the season? should braves players have more conditioning in the spring so they don’t have to forfeit running all-out in april and may?

didn’t jeff kent just embarrass barry bonds for languishing instead of running?

the second time you repeat an action it may have become a habit. a habit like not running through the base during the season becomes a lapse when you do it in the post-season (andruw did this in the playoffs last season).

jimmy smith just asks, if it is okay not to hustle right now for some- why is it not okay for all? it’s more than running a base - it’s the lazy throw from the outfield or the wave at a ball that skips by in the infield. dob can give you the tale of the hammy all he wants, what we’re seeing is mr. cool trotting down the line. maybe protecting his toes?

let’s try one more term - energy. if not emotion, if not enthusiasm, can we expect energy? jimmy smith is reminded of greg olson who came to the braves after 10 years in the minor leagues. he was slow but he ran all the time in an effort to improve his game. he was bulky, but he spent half an hour stretching before the game. he was not as talented as some of his teammates but he out-performed them and he made the all-star team. he was no cheerleader but he jumped into smoltz’s arms when the braves went from worst to first. he did not show emotion in every game but the intensity was always there. jordan plays this way - maybe that’s why bobby wants his presence - because he’s not getting intensity from others in the lineup.

also, jimmy smith’s old coach said when you let up and try not to get hurt is when you will be injured. jimmy smith was injured in this very way by a very mean seal during the seal hunt in canada awhile back. p.s. baby seal can beat chipper to first base.

By Keith

May 15, 2006 06:20 PM | Link to this

Bring back Fick!!!!!!!!!

By Tojo, Braves' Samarai

May 15, 2006 06:23 PM | Link to this

Brent,

The “Major Point” is that a slow-footed, but HUSTLING Nick Johnson touched the base about the same time as a lazy, lacksadaisical, non-HUSTLING Adam LaRoche did. If LaRoche had just moved a little Johnson would have been easily out at first. That call could have gone either way, and to blame the umpire for LaRoche’s ineptness is as goofy as Bobby Cox getting tossed over the incident.

When it comes to payroll the Braves’ go cheap at firstbase and bullpen. We have not had a legitimate firstbaseman since Andres Galarraga. Salty, who I understand is not even playing firstbase in the minors, is not the immediate answer. Someone earlier mentioned Jeff Conine, who would make a nice short-term solution.

By Chop Chop

May 15, 2006 06:28 PM | Link to this

Jamie, what the hell was so “arrogant” about DOB’s post? He said LaRoche screwed up and that, while it wasn’t a World Series game or anything, it was a “horrid” mistake. What’s arrogant about that? Do you want DOB to rip LaRoche as badly as Sosa? Schultz ripped Sosa the other day. Send him an e-mail and ask him to rip LaRoche.

DOB is a beat writer. His job is to cover the team and give us some inside info. He puts good effort into his blogs because he gives a damn about the game and (presumably) likes the interaction with the fans that post here. You can go after DOB all you want, but most of us appreciate the fact that he offers his opinions on the team.

Speaking of which, I think it would be a good idea if the AJC started a Braves and/or MLB mailbag up. I like to read Gordon Edes’ mailbag on the Boston Globe site from time to time. You could do the mailbag every week or every two weeks, something like that. Maybe that means the blogging would be cut back some, but it might allow DOB to touch on some topics in more detail.

By Jay

May 15, 2006 06:31 PM | Link to this

Its time to end the nightmare that is Cockroche. He has a good second half his rookie year. He had a good first half last year. Thats been it. He is very inconsistent, and nothing extrodinary when he’s on. He was sold to us as a new version of Mark Grace…yeah right. He’s yet to hit close to .300. Still waiting on those gold gloves. His swing is atrocious…even Pendleton said he cant fix it, that is has too many moving parts. Obviously the pitchers have found all the loopholes…he’s dueling Frenchy for most k’s on the team. But at least we know Frenchy will give us a cannon arm and great power, as well as something else called HUSTLE. He’s been costing us games with his bat for quite some time…now that he’s doing the same with his glove, thats the last straw. He’s a black hole on our lineup, an obvious slacker, and his swing is wrecked.

You think it might be a problem when the guy we have playing the position with the most action (1st base) has ADD?

By MBATL

May 15, 2006 06:33 PM | Link to this

ToJo, why would Conine make more sense? He makes roughly 5 times the money, has approximately the same hitting stats. Average is 15 points or so higher; but less RBI and lower slugging pct. If we’re to spend money, let’s either really improve a position like 1B, or get someone to close games.

By Del

May 15, 2006 06:37 PM | Link to this

Marc … Good blog. Lots of good points. The only thing I would add is that we are not going to acquire a closer and one baseman without probably giving up some of those names you outlined as being left, ie: Betemit, James or Sosa or Davies, etc.

By Jamie in Richmond

May 15, 2006 06:40 PM | Link to this

Mr O’Brien…wow your last response sure did do well to support my theory concerning that arrogance, didnt you?

Anyway, since this is a baseball blog and not about you, or even me, I’d be entertained to see you or anyone explain to me the 4 or 5 other instances that LaCasual has pulled one of these manuevers. I’d like to see a response to your “compare bad behavior to worse behavior” that I mentioned. The whole, “atleast it wasnt a playoff game” is extraordinarily weak. The more he does this the more he’s “training” himself to do it in a playoff game. I got a feeling John Thomson didnt take a deep breath and tell himself, “well, atleast it wasnt a Sept game”. Note: they all count. His behavior is far worse than poor statistics. Give me a guy who hits .185 and plays the game the right way over this joker’s .221 half assed ways. There’s a right way and a wrong way to play the game. Not hard to figure out where LaLostinspace fits in.

By renegadedawg

May 15, 2006 06:50 PM | Link to this

I will confess that I was ready to throw a brick through my T.V. when I saw “the play”. I don’t like LaRoche one bit. I think the excuse of him being sick before the game last year in which he didn’t hustle around the bases to be complete crap. But, everybody is entitled to make mistakes, even big leaguers. I do not think LaRoache is the answer at first base, but the fans should pick him up. I think this was a severe wake-up call that he could use. By the way…Michael Adams is a baffoon.

By MBATL

May 15, 2006 06:55 PM | Link to this

journalist, Bond’s failure to run was a WORSE transgression than Adam’s yesterday… just didn’t have the bad result. I still maintain that that play yesterday was an error in judgment, not a lack of hustle. LaRoche thought he had more time to make the play.

I just don’t see baseball as a game based on adrenaline. If an NFL receiver catches a TD pass, he does a dance; if a baseball player dances after a HR, he gets plugged in the head next time up. It’s not the nature of the game.

The best of teams is going to lose 60 times per season; the worst, a hundred or more. Should they break water coolers or become despondent after each loss? Should the manager criticize his players to the press? What is it that you and others want to see?

I think this team… player by player … is made up of great hustle guys: from Chipper and AJ down to Giles, Edgar, Ryan, Frenchy, McCann. On the mound, I think Smotlz, Hudson, Davies, etc are as ‘competitive’ as anyone. And I think Bobby steps in when he sees someone mailing it in.

Just my 2 cents worth, regarding hustle, or ‘energy.’

By renegadedawg

May 15, 2006 06:56 PM | Link to this

Wilson Betemit has too much potential to get an at-bat every other game. He needs to play everyday somewhere, maybe 1B. His swing is almost as jacked-up as LaRoche’s, but he plays with more intensity. As I said in a previous blog, I can tolerate slumps by Giles and Franceour because they play hard every play. It’s hard to root for a guy who gives the impression that he doesn’t care.

By utahjoe

May 15, 2006 06:58 PM | Link to this

Could LaRoachs’ mistake finally signal that Chipper should be playing first and Betemit playing third? Also could obby please put Langerhans in the leadoff spot and drop Giles into 6th or 7th, Giles just isn’t a leadoff guy. I believe he is pressing too much in the leadoof spot. He could do much better for the team if even he was hitting 2nd and Renteria was hitting 5th to protect Andruw. Also how about La Roach to the Angels for Scott Shields?

By renegadedawg

May 15, 2006 07:01 PM | Link to this

MBATL-I disagree. If you asked Rose or Dykstra if they were trying to win every game they were in, they would tell you “of course”. Those guys epitomised what hustle and “energy” was all about. It’s imporatnt to keep a cool head, but you can be a good baseball player and play very aggressively. I can’t think of one great baseball player that didn’t have a little “renegade attitude” on the field.

By kg

May 15, 2006 07:07 PM | Link to this

I didn’t see the game, but for LaRoche, this is at the very least the second time this has happened. That other time didn’t cost the Braves the game, but you would think that he would have learned the lesson the first time? Obviously, not. He will never be a classic power hitting first baseman. If he could just hit for average with line drive doubles and singles, I think we can live with that.

By MBATL

May 15, 2006 07:09 PM | Link to this

renegadedawg - really don’t mean to make a big deal of this, but… do you think Giles or Smoltz would tell you any different? I just don’t get this theory that the Braves are slackers.

You picked probably the 2 most noted “hustlers” of the modern era… guys who got dirty still in the clubhouse. why not add Ty Cobb? Frankly, I’d put Giles in the same class, in terms of effort. Are there any OF’s who go after the ball with more abandon that AJ and Frenchy?

I don’t see any less hustle from Andrew or Chipper than I see from Pujols or Thome… when you hit well, the clips look good on ESPN. But they’re all playing the game as hard as it can be played.

I don’t have blinders on about this Braves team… they are NOT the best team in baseball. Just don’t see that “effort” is the problem.

By greg

May 15, 2006 07:10 PM | Link to this

You are right…it was NOT a Bill Buckner. Buckner at least made an effort. His was something all athletes make; a physical mistake. LaRoche always looks like he is barely awake, and it was a prima-donna play from a non-prime-time athlete.

By Chippy

May 15, 2006 07:18 PM | Link to this

Don’t blame JT. He made good pitches. After all he’s only human. I am sure he was beyond p** & that affected him too. Give WASH some cradit for taking advantage of the Braves screw ups. I don’t like the excuse that this isn’t a sept. game either. When you under .500 a 6 back every game counts. A loss now counts just as much as in Sept.

DOB why dod you rip Sosa & love on Adam? No matter what you say you’re obviously not objective about Adam .It’s clear you like him personally & are friends or atleast on friendly terms. You don’t have the same feloings about Sosa so it’s easier for you to rip on him.

By ConyersDawg

May 15, 2006 07:22 PM | Link to this

One mistake? What about his running mistake last year in the playoffs? You know what they say in baseball, 3 strikes and your out. He has 2 strikes now!

By Justa Roselldoo

May 15, 2006 07:23 PM | Link to this

The Braves may not be the best team in baseball. Hell, they may not be the best team in their division, but they’re still my team. They were my team in 19 suckeggdog 76, they were my team in 19 hallelujah 95, and they’re my team in 20 however it turns out 06. But in the end it will all be alright… if it’s not alright, it’s not the end.

LaRoche screwed up, bigtime and everybody knows it… nobody knows it any better than him… but let it go already! I respect BC for not airing out all the dirty laundry in the press. He took care of business as it should have been taken care of, with those concerned. He might would have taken care of it quicker and more drastically if he had been around long enough. But in true form, Bobby went out to stand up for his player as he should have. And for whoever said that the main point was that the runner was out. Whether he was out or safe wasn’t the issue at all.

By James

May 15, 2006 07:24 PM | Link to this

DOB or anyone here’s my question. MLB owns the Nats. So does that mean all the other teams owns the Nats? If so, They was bought for 100 something million and sold for 400 something million. Is the money split up to all the MLB teams. Now Stan Kasten and JS are very familar and I would say friends. SK will unload some of the Nats payroll and build as he did here in Atlanta. We know Soriano will be traded. With that being said if the Braves make ONE trade to the Nats they can have the best lineup not only in the NL but of all MLB. If we was to get Soriano and N Johnson for Langy,LaRoche and a couple good minor league players it would make an impact like when we got McGriff in Midseason. Our lineup will be 1)Soriano 2)Renteria 3) C Jones 4) A Jones 5) Johnson 6)McCann 7) Francouer 8) Giles. One trade with SK will give us no weak spots.And maybe get a closer by the deadline if we need one. Soriano will leave at the end of the year. maybe Johnson can be sign or traded. But that will be a lineup no one will be looking forward to seeing.

By Justa Roselldoo

May 15, 2006 07:30 PM | Link to this

And just another rambling wonder… if it had been LaRoche running to first and Nicky J fielding the grounder and LaRoche outrunning the loping Washington firstbaseman to the bag, would Frank Robinson have left his firstbaseman in the game after the play. Me thinks not!

By teoa

May 15, 2006 07:30 PM | Link to this

DOB, I usually agree with your blogs, but this time, with all due respect, I think your personal relationship with Mr. LaDouche might be clouding your judgment just a bit. I do believe you gave your best effort (unlike Mr. LaDouche), but I disagree on several points…

First, I accept that LaDouche was sick in the playoffs last year. How often do you hear about an athlete being sick in the postseason? Well, it seems just about every postseason of every sport. Now, the more important question: How often does poor effort on the part of those sick athletes cost their team a game? NEVER. Sick athletes may not perform well, but almost every professional athlete has enough competitive fire and heart to give 100% effort regardless of sickness.

Now, as to why the importance of LaDouche’s latest lazy play should not be minimized…

If I was LaDouche after the playoffs last year, I would have made a vow that no matter what I accomplished for the rest of my career, I would make sure that my manager and teammates never again had to explain to the media why I didn’t bother to give effort. Anyone can give effort (or not make “mental mistakes” that cause you to give poor effort or whatever the latest excuse is.) But did LaDouche learn anything from his inexcusable lack of hustle in the most important game of the season? Obviously not. Seriously, does anyone doubt that if Chipper or Jordan or Smoltz (or anyone else on the team for that matter) were equally sick, they would have found enough heart to get around the bases at full speed? I don’t care if they were puking all the way down the third base line, they would have scored that run. No doubt in my mind. You just don’t play 168(?) games and then not bother to give your best effort in the last one…that is, unless you are Mr. LaDouche.

You say that we shouldn’t get too worked up about this…that it isn’t game 7 of the World Series, that it isn’t Buckner. Well, LaDouche has shown me nothing to indicate that he wouldn’t make the same mistake in a Game 7, especially since he did the same thing in the playoffs last year. Let’s not wait to find out (again) that his laziness doesn’t discriminate — it is not just reserved for meaningless games in May. And personally, I could live with a Buckner ball costing my team the Series a little easier than one of LaDouche’s embarrassments…after all, I have no doubt that Buckner gave 100% effort in attempting to field that grounder.

In my mind, there aren’t even two sides to this argument. LaDouche cannot be depended on. He is not even a Major League caliber first baseman, and besides that he has shown that he cannot be trusted to give consistent effort. A bad player that gives bad effort? Come on. What are they waiting for? I realize Jordan is no long-term solution. Well then, try Thorman. Make a trade. Move Betemit to first. Anything.

All I want is to see management make an effort (unlike Mr. LaDouche) to make the Braves a better team. If that effort fails, I can live with that.

By Jamie in Richmond

May 15, 2006 07:38 PM | Link to this

“Everyone agrees LaRoche’s mistake was horrid, no excuses. But it’s not like this is a guy who doesn’t care, who has undermined the team repeatedly with his attitude or work habits or whatever. He’s a great dude, all who know him agree.” He hasnt undermined the team repeatedly with his goofy behavior? What? Are we watching the same games? I’ve personally seen the guy lose a pop fly in the sun because he was wearing his sunglass on the bill of his cap, and I’ve twice seen him forget how many outs there were, one time being tagged out as a result. When’s the last time he went in hard at 2nd to break up a double play?But he doesnt have a track record of this sort of thing? Uh huh…Right.

By Jamie in Richmond

May 15, 2006 07:43 PM | Link to this

Wow David O’Brien…seems as if “your AAA friend” isnt the only one who thinks your friendship with LaLoaf might be clouding your objectivity. As I said, I’ve seen you rip into Sosa repeatadly (as he deserves), but he’s no worse than this fool. Both appear to be lazy, neither handle instrusction well, and I’d even make the case that Sosa has more raw talent than Lanonchalant. Itd be nice to see you criticize LaBum without inserting a “but” in the tail end of the sentence. Game 7, or game 1 of spring training..its bushleague baseball that he plays, and if you don’t see that, than I’m not sure that you ever will.

By Tomahawkin

May 15, 2006 07:45 PM | Link to this

Agree wit ya 100 percent D.O.B. I’m glad I was at work yesterday when that Inning happened, He!! I might have thrown my remote at the TV or something… other than laid back attitude (which sickens me) I tried to give him a chance, but that shyt that happened yesterday was it…Even the guys at ESPN were ripping him and the team…

Aight GUYS We must take at least 2 of 3 from the fish or there is something wrong…

Go Braves!

By JJMB

May 15, 2006 07:52 PM | Link to this

I think 1B has to either hit .300 or hit 30+ HRs a season. Both would be nice. I don’t see LaRoche doing either. I’m for getting rid of him because of that, not the lazy error.

By Brit Eckland

May 15, 2006 08:01 PM | Link to this

Where is Terrence Moore? Surely he could turn this into a racial matter.

By tyyosh

May 15, 2006 08:06 PM | Link to this

I saw that play from across the stadium (3rd base side). From there you could just see it coming sickeningly as he started to jog, almost like a slow-mo accident video. I have never been angrier at a sporting event, and it lasted for a while. It was such an egregious violation of the most basic tenets of sport.

But now, after a lot of cooling down… if this was the bottom of the pit for him, if he does whatever it takes to change, to learn, to grow from this, and to rethink his approach, and if this begins the long climb upward that he has to take, then something good will have come out of it. If we see a new Adam LaRoche who is energized (in his own way, he can’t fake it) and who now embraces the rare and coveted chance he has to play this game, then I for one will get behind him.

By Excelsior

May 15, 2006 08:07 PM | Link to this

When do we get to start ripping Davies. We’re playing an AAA club, but Davies is the only one who looks like he should be in AAA. Aside from the strong Mets start, he looks overmatched and unprepared. 92 mph might be pretty quick, but it don’t mean squat when it’s straight as an arrow. He’s terrible.

By Rodney Derrick

May 15, 2006 08:08 PM | Link to this

I do not have TV or radio and mlb game day just said Davies injured. Aside from his clearly not having good stuff, does anyone know what has happened to him?

By journalist jimmy smith

May 15, 2006 08:08 PM | Link to this

mbatl, you can call the play an error in judgement and journalist jimmy smith will still enjoy blogging with you. however, you might note that laroche himself called it a lack of focus and lack of hustle. mark lemke, on the radio, defended laroche as a laid-back kid of guy - hey, that’s okay, too. dale murphy was laid back but the uniform was always torn and dirty. journalist jimmy smith reminds you that if this is not a game of adrenaline then it is not very entertaining. jimmy smith believes that you try to put it in another gear when your team needs a baserunner. you try to make contact when your team needs to move over a runner. if you lose, you don’t like it - not even a little bit. mbatl, asks what jimmy smith expects to see. if journalist has paid the price of admission he expects to see the best product the athlete can offer. never did jimmy smith say players should break coolers, only that the last braves player to display emotion that way quickly learned not to do so again. journalist never suggested bobby should be critical in public. that is not bobby’s style. as far as chipper’s hustle, we’ll just have to disagree. he’s a gifted athlete. jimmy smith made a’s in school and never had to work to get them. chipper could hit sitting down. but, now, with a little age and some questionable conditioning he fails to deliver like he once did. yesterday, he struck out with the bases loaded. it will happen. jimmy smith is not like dob. jimmy smith is a fan first, journalist second. journalist jimmy smith just wants to see the braves be the best they can be. p.s. jordan at first base is not the answer, even short-term.

flash - groin injury! groin injury to kyle davies! quick, turn off the camera. he can’t do that on tv. now, paronto … will we see him tonight?

By cd

May 15, 2006 08:14 PM | Link to this

Dave, just because you brought it up, how many HRs has Andruw hit since that blog? How many prior to that?

Just busting your chops.

By Tomahawkin

May 15, 2006 08:15 PM | Link to this

Cheese Whiz, The first game of the week and the AAA Miami Marlins are Wiping The Floor wit our A-s-ses, its gonna be a long week…Dizam

By journalist jimmy smith

May 15, 2006 08:25 PM | Link to this

paronto! 3 strikeouts tonight! 1.80 era. no-neck. paronto for closer.

By MBATL

May 15, 2006 08:32 PM | Link to this

journalist, thanks. Of course you’re right; Adam took his post-game medicine (no pun intended). Just watched the replay again, and still think that he just thought he had more time - yes it was a lapse, for sure, and could be called a lack of focus (and has been). Whatever it was, I don’t see it as representative of the Braves’s overall demeanor, and don’t think it speaks to some greater problem with Adam or with the Braves. (Braves problem is PITCHING.)

No, not another gear with a runner at first; a different stragegy, for sure.

I would expect players do their best whether 2 out in the World Series, or none out in the 3rd in May. Aside from their natural competitive attitudes (which I don’t question), it’s in their personal (i.e. financial) interest to “do well.”

Guess my biggest issue is not so much “the play;” LaRoche-bashers will use it as they see fit, defenders like me will wave it off as an aberration; but the idea that if we just tried harder, or got more upset when we fail, we’d win more. I don’t think that’s the case.

Chipper? Well, he’s not a kid anymore. Age does put limitations on players, but I still wouldn’t call it a lack of effort or emotion. And while he’s not the best in the game, I’d pretty much take him on my team any time.

By Bob, journalist jg

May 15, 2006 08:35 PM | Link to this

DOB, good perspectives … it’s getting to be “old hat” thelling you that … ‘bout time you said something with which I really disagree. This post was written earlier but the Internet connection just came back up.

I suspect that those who know anything about ADD will tell us that knowing someone has ADD tells us absolutely nothing whith regard to their condition. My understanding is that it’s a broad classification of disorders with wide ranges of severity associated with most of the “classes”.

I would be surprised if, among our group of Bloggers, there are not multiple unidentified cases of ADD.

Without knowing the specifics of the condition, the level and nature of the dehabilitation, and effectiveness with which it is being treated and controlled … I personally think that it is irresponsible to judge its impact on a person’s ability to perform the duties assigned to them … unless you are charged with that responsibility and have no other available choices.

I would hope that those who have formed conclusions regarding the impact of ADD on Adam’s fitness and ability to perform as the Braves’ 1st-baseman would either rethink their positions or share with us the inside information they have enabling them to reach their conclusions.

I believe that posing inplied questions such as the post comment: “You think it might be a problem when the guy we have playing the position with the most action (1st base) has ADD?” … while perhaps well intended; is both irresponsible and inappropriate. However, I would certainly want to be satisified that the player’s condition was not expected to negatively impact the team’s performance.

I assume that Braves Management selected Adam on the basis of his performance, relative to that of others, with proper consideration of the expected impact of the condition taken into account.

I suspect that his condition required consistent extra effort in order for him to effectively compete with those not so impacted; at each professional level of play … and that he should he lauded for that effort, regardless of how it is perceived.

It may well be Adam’s choice with regard to the treatment he receives for his condition, but I believe that Braves Management has an obligation to Adam and the team … to see that a prescribed plan of care is in effect, should that be deemed appropriate or necessary as a condition of playing elegibility.

Simply stated, they should work together to insure that his best interests are served … and I suspect that, in their own way, they have.

By JJMB

May 15, 2006 08:37 PM | Link to this

D*mn! Sutton on the radio, and Gant on tv. If IQ were dynamite….

What happened to Jeff Torborg???

By old timer

May 15, 2006 08:41 PM | Link to this

This is uggla, really uggla.

By Tomahawkin

May 15, 2006 08:42 PM | Link to this

Maybe LaRoche Should do what Demetrius Harris From ESPN’S Playmakers did before the games, If anyone remembers that show that was da shyt in 2003

By David O'Brien

May 15, 2006 08:47 PM | Link to this

CD, Andruw has hit one homer in his past 20 games. And I know you’re just busting my chops.

Someone asked about Davies _ yes, he’s been quite bad more often than not this year. just not as bad as Sosa. But I’d drop both of them from the rotation if there were two better options.

Sosa might have gotten a reprieve _ Davies has a groin injury. That’s all we know right now, but these things usually aren’t good. Horacio could step into his place next week if Davies can’t go.

By the way, did anyone notice the “double” that skipped past B.J.’s glove and drove in three runs in the third inning? Uh, folks, LaRoche makes that play. I’m just saying… the ball will find you if you’re playing a key position and aren’t a great fielder at said position. B.J.’s OK there, nothing more.

Oh, and would someone please tell the poor blogger from Richmond with the sensitive feelings that this space is for bloggers who don’t take things personally and have thick skin? Better yet, tell the person to please stop blogging here.

Thanks.

By Tomahawkin

May 15, 2006 08:51 PM | Link to this

I find that funny D.O.B. about the blogger from Richmond, I’d bet you’ve seen the blogs in Philly, New York and Boston, and I’ll tell ya we’re tame compared to them, Them people up there live RAW!

By David O'Brien

May 15, 2006 08:51 PM | Link to this

Paronto: Six strikeouts in three scoreless innings. Something good might have come out of this game after all….

OK. Gotta start writing something for the fishwrap. Later, folks.

Oh, and Richmond: Are we OK? Maybe we can share a spot of tea and bash La(insert your silly nickname here).

By brian

May 15, 2006 08:52 PM | Link to this

Jamie - you were way out of line to call DOB “arrogant” He is a beat writer who spends his free time keeping us updated with his blogs. DOB WE ARE ALL VERY THANKFUL FOR YOUR TIME, INSIGHT, AND INSIDE INFO.

That being said, LaRoche is rightly benched for this episode then it should be dropped. He should not lose his job for this one episode. His job, however, should be in jeopardy with the way he has been hitting this year. I agree that we need a big bat at either 1B or in LF (ideally in both) to win consistantly

By journalist jimmy smith

May 15, 2006 08:54 PM | Link to this

is there a “you might be a redneck” joke out there for laroche? he spent the night at foxworthy’s and went fishing today? how did he find the energy to dig the worms? now, parontoe … man, he is looking good. now, ron gant … get well soon, torborg. now, giles … swing is still uppercut. now, reteria … what was boston thinking? now, chipper … lots of men lob. maybe he can correct that this at-bat.

By Paul Hamilton

May 15, 2006 09:01 PM | Link to this

Did I see someone suggest the nats should trade soriano and nj for langy, ladouche, and a couple minor’s players. That was a joke right? Let’s trade sosa and betemit for Zito while we are at it! LOL!

By Tomahawkin

May 15, 2006 09:10 PM | Link to this

Yea, Paul I usually ignore those dumb fantasy trades that these people come up with, knowing that we can’t afford to pull it off…

Only Trade I want to see Is Reeksma or LaRoche to Cincinnati for the Bong

Ona More serious note, since this team has been plaing so inconsistantly I think John S. is gonna pull off a deal sooner that he usually does, like around the the First of June…In years past we usually Start to Clown in June but if we don’t start playing consistantly I’d expect John S. to pull of a small deal or two (nothing big) in Mid June, Sometimes this team is Embarassing to watch…

By Ron Roberts

May 15, 2006 09:12 PM | Link to this

Jamie in Richmond

What are the four or five other LaRoche blunders that come to mind? Give us some items other than Game 5 in the NLDS, because DOB comes with a far better argument and vantage point than anybody else on that.

The Jurries talk has to stop. Folks, before you suggest a call-up, go to the minor league teams’ website and check out the stats, first. Jurries is doing at AAA what LaRoche is doing at the Major League level right now and is or has been on the DL over 20 games, thus far.

Thorman’s numbers look good. .304 BA 4 HRs 15 RBIs in 35 games - on a team where the lineup offers him little protection. But the problem with an attempt to send LaRoche down, if I’m not mistaken, is that he should have to clear waivers first, am I right? He’d need to fake a hamstring pull or something to be allowed a “rehab” assignment. I’ve never been 100% clear on sending MLB players down, but usually a player who’s been up that long is out of options, as far as demotions go. His gaffe notwithstanding, we can’t lose a guy like him on the waiver wire. But hey, if we could do it, I wouldn’t be against it, either.

Here’s the rub, folks… in the past week, though, Adam’s hitting .333 with 2 doubles, 4 RBIs and a .444 slugging percentage. His AB/K ratio had also doubled, from April to May, thus far, going from 2.7 ABs per strikeout up to 5.4 (which is NOTHING to brag about, but still an improvement), as well.

He’s a human being, though, and we all have lapses in judgement in our jobs, and the guy didn’t exactly come off as “smug” afterwards, either. He seems downright upset at himself, and has acknowledged the shortcoming. I’m more for benching him a few days and actaully keeping him off the field the rest of the homestand as much as possible, then letting him back in on the road, away from the fan venom.

By journalist

May 15, 2006 09:22 PM | Link to this

renteria! okay, chipper … here’s yet another rbi chance. good luck. jimmy smith.

By MBATL

May 15, 2006 09:31 PM | Link to this

Chipper shows veteran patience… does his job - doesn’t chase bad pitches - and gives monster cleanup hitter a chance to do his. Any credit?

By Ron Roberts

May 15, 2006 09:34 PM | Link to this

WOW

I’m going to mlb.com RIGHT NOW to place my vote for McCann on the All-Star team!!!

That dude’s clutch.

By Rodney Derrick

May 15, 2006 09:36 PM | Link to this

Well, it looks like the right guy is hitting fifth in the lineup now.

By Eric M. Webb

May 15, 2006 09:50 PM | Link to this

McCanns a stud. This incident with Adam is going to light a fire under his a*. No person alive is not going to go out and do everything in his power to change the situation he has made. I dont know about you, but I would feel utterly terrible if my home fans were booing me. This is a chance to prove to the fans and to himself he truly does have “it” and is our 1st basemen for the longterm.

later

By Chris

May 15, 2006 09:55 PM | Link to this

After that great comeback, two walks and a homer allowed and the lead is gone. Unacceptable. Something has to be done about the pen.

By TennesseePaul

May 15, 2006 09:55 PM | Link to this

And that’s why Villarreal is not the closer.

Let’s go Braves!

By Chris

May 15, 2006 09:59 PM | Link to this

Glad to see LaRoche get a double. DOB is right, BJ is not much of a defensive first baseman, so we are pretty much stuck with LaRoche unless we make a trade, and there are several more pressing needs, as we clearly saw in the top of the 7th.

By journalist

May 15, 2006 10:08 PM | Link to this

okay, chipper … now’s the time. bring in a run.

By hk

May 15, 2006 10:13 PM | Link to this

… way to go Andruw, way to hustle Roachy !!!!!!!!!!

By steve_97060

May 15, 2006 10:14 PM | Link to this

Andruw is the MAN…

By MBATL

May 15, 2006 10:14 PM | Link to this

Run Adam Run!

Amazing… they keep waling CJ to get to AJ. I LIKE Chipper, but don’t quite understand the logic.

By GoBravos

May 15, 2006 10:28 PM | Link to this

Remlinger is awesome!!! You all have to admit it.

By TennesseePaul

May 15, 2006 10:41 PM | Link to this

I think this pen is pretty good. There are some shakey people in there, but it isn’t as bad as last year. I think the biggest thorn in it is, there appears to be some pitchers pitching in roles unsuttable for them. Reitsma, for one. I loved Paronto. He should stick around.

By TennesseePaul

May 15, 2006 10:42 PM | Link to this

Lets see if that change in pitching brings you back to life Reitsma, because you are dead to me.

By hk

May 15, 2006 10:49 PM | Link to this

… Braves batting average moved from .269 (7th) to .271 (4th) … league leader at .273 !!!!!

… (we won’t talk about era ..)

… wonderful McCann interview …

By Rodney Derrick

May 15, 2006 10:50 PM | Link to this

Andruw and Brian, and hey, that Oscar really knows how to add WINS to his record.

By hk

May 15, 2006 10:51 PM | Link to this

correction: that’s from .266 to .271

By Clayton Bigsby

May 15, 2006 11:08 PM | Link to this

I’m gonna say it once more, even though David O’Brien shoots it down every time and even though it may never happen — MOVE CHIPPER TO FIRST!!!!

Not just for Betemit to get playing time, not just because LaRoche sucks, but most importantly to prolong Chipper’s career too.

By Jason

May 15, 2006 11:20 PM | Link to this

LaRoche did good tonight. He had a burrito before the game.

By TennesseePaul

May 15, 2006 11:30 PM | Link to this

Farnsworthless blew it for the Yanks today.

This also pleases me.

By Mark I.

May 15, 2006 11:45 PM | Link to this

Jamie in Richmond, stop blogging here. We have a great beat writer who obviously cares about keeping us informed on the team. That is the point. If you don’t like his opinions, go find another avenue for your Braves coverage…On another note, I think McCann has been amazing this year. He has got to earn an all-star spot if he keeps this up. Also, Frenchy is starting to swing a hot bat. The Braves may be in this thing after all.

By Submariner

May 15, 2006 11:48 PM | Link to this

Larry Jones will never play first base. The truth of the matter is, that Betimit may end up playing for another team before the year is out. He will probably have to be packaged in any deal to get a pitcher, which is what they need the most. Davies will inevitably be go on the DL after tonight. Ramirez will probably get reinjured, if not be ineffective when/if he returns. They desprately need pitching. A veteran lefty starter and some bullpen help. All that said, look for a deal in the near future to get some rotation help. I still contest that they need a solid left-hander to offset Smoltz and Hudson. I can’t see how anyone could feel comfortable late in the game when Cox has to go to the pen. They need PITCHING help, not offense.

By David O'Brien

May 16, 2006 12:21 AM | Link to this

Davies is going on the DL for sure, Cox said. Doesn’t know who’ll replace him, but not Horacio. Bobby said he needs at least one more minor league start.

Looks like … Travis Smith. Could be a long night in Arizona at that hitters’ haven.

The lads showed me something tonight. Granted, the Marlins are pathetic, but that comeback, then another … and McCann belongs on the All-Star team, for sure. Even though Piazza will probably get some ignorant votes, and Ausmus also is certainly deserving of being named, and Lo Duca will get the built-in New York vote (and he is having a good year, to boot) …

Still, no way McCann should be left off. But he could, unless he piles up some more RBIs (which he’s doing now that he’s higher in the order) and maybe 10-12 homers by the break.

It’s about the biiiiig man tonight, though. Paronto. That jumbo tron made him look about 260 pounds. Oh, wait … he IS 260 pounds. Wow, it was like a pulling guard came through the bullpen gate when that huge screen TV showed him trotting in.

The dude pitched his butt off. Six Ks in three innings after entering in a tough spot. Interesting case, this guy.

OK, out.

By Abby

May 16, 2006 12:23 AM | Link to this

I am new to this site - but have been a Braves fan since the mid-80’s so have been there for the great years, bad years, and the ugly years. Chipper is one of the most overrated players this year- yes he has done well for the Braves in the past but the last 2 years he hasn’t come into the season in shape - always hurting a little toe, hamstring, elbow, eye strain. Funny last year when Betemit was on fire all of a sudden Chipper’s ailments went away for awhile - think he was starting to feel the heat of the bench under his arse! Andruw is still the man for the team - he carried them last year and he is looking a little pudgie this year but think he will get going back in his groove (like the game tonight). Franceour - Giles - hustlemen (although Giles needs to play his area instead of trying to cover the outfield along with his area). LaRoache - get him out of here - unfortunately no matter how loud I yell at Bobby Cox through the T.V. he cannot hear - He has constantly had that lazy attitude since he first came to the team. And ADD is not an excuse. If he truly had ADD, he would actually have better concentration skills for the game than he does - he is lazy and gets paid way too much. And of course he fessed up to his error, gee it was all over tv - what else could he say. Its too bad Betemit isn’t given a chance. Should hire Julio back to get the team in tip top shape physically.

By Dirty Dawg

May 16, 2006 12:30 AM | Link to this

Chipper will come around, and I suppose Giles is likely the best option at second, but if they don’t figure out how to get Betemit in the everyday lineup, they’re nuts. Give him a first baseman’s mitt…or convince Chipper that his Hall of Fame options are over and he might as well go to first. Do something to get this guy in the game.

By hoho

May 16, 2006 12:39 AM | Link to this

great comeback tonight. nice to see the bravos do that now and then- one of those games where i don’t question their heart, unlike some playoff games. too bad about davies. WTH? he had been feeling tight all day and didn’t mention it? who called betimit selfish? davies pulled a selfish move (as well as a gro-in) if that’s the case. it’s cool kyle, we have tons of great starting pitching, don’t worry-not.

Seriously, does anyone know if kelly johnson can play 1st. i read he was taking infield but i think it was just 2nd and SS. we will see. i don’t think langerhans AND johnson finish the year here. one will be traded, i think they will have to for some pitching.

Am i gone or out? mmmm? waaay gone AND outta here.

By Bob, journalist jg

May 16, 2006 01:05 AM | Link to this

Jamie in Richmond,

I just read your post that appears to be taking issue with the assertion that “LaRouche’s attitude are work habits are good and haven’t undermined the team” … I don’t know but rather suspect that DOB’s on target and that Adam’s attitude and work habits are above reproach.

While I don’t really like players being under the media microscope, all evidence is that he’sthe kind of guy you’ll like to have as a friends and a teammate … seems that most, if not all, of the braves think so too; based again on media reports from folks who aren’t paid to be kind.

My problem isn’t that you may disagree with David’s assertion … It’s that you never even attempt to address adam’s attitude or work ethic … and I think that you may have failed to understand his use of “undermined”.

In the other post I read, you refer to LaRouche as a lazy Fool who doesn’t handle instruction well and suggest him to be less talented than Sosa. It may be that your source of information is superior to mine but suspect that your information regarding these things is, like mine, insuffient to reach such a conclusion.

I do know that it is boorish behavior to call anyone, with whom you’re not intimate, a Fool and to posit that you can make a case for something whithou so doing is poor form. It suggests the you know how foolish it is to attempt to compare apples and oranges but were arrogant enough to posit otherwise.

Points to ponder … the smartest one in the group may be the least intellegent … because he’s selected associates from whom he can learn. However, it can be dangerous to sit down at the table with those you don’t really know …make sure you’re a guest and not the entree.

It can be fun to cross swords … but, do so with dignity. You want people laughing with you … not at!

By HEAD COACH

May 16, 2006 01:11 AM | Link to this

Sorry I missed the game , had a game to coach tonight. Nice comeback win and a character builder for the team. Those fish are gonna be something too watch next season. About Chipper , the guy has bad wheels and we all know it. If and thats a big IF …… he can stay healthy , he will produce a good season. LaRoche is Mark Grace cloned , not a typical 1B but servicable. Davies on the DL , its last season all over again , lol. Half of Richmond will see action in a braves uniform at this rate. Betemit on the bench is killing me , Cox your gonna look like an idiot if and when this kid gets a chance to play everyday. He is an All-star waiting to happen. Brian McCann , holy mother of God can this kid play or what , both him and Francoeur are one hell of a blast to watch. Cox is going to need a lot a tape , glue and bailing wire to keep this team healhty and competitive. Chad who ?? JS just keeps digging pitching out from under a rock , got to luv the scouts for their hard work. Speaking of scouts ,Julian Perez was one of those untold scouts who will be sorely missed , My heart and Prayers go out to his family. Go Bravos !!!

By Bob, journalist jg

May 16, 2006 01:32 AM | Link to this

MBATL, to belabour the obvious … sometimes it appears that folks forget there 25 talented guys in the other dugout who share one thing in common with our players … they’re trying to win!

My parents had trouble understanding how people could possibly fail Actuarial Exams if the were smart and studied hard … until I got the results back from one exam where I fortunately passed with a high mark.

They were proud of me and Mamma gave me an “I told you if you studied hard you’d pass”.

Daddy read the pass list and got the point “Mama, these tests are graded on the curve so that only a certain percentage passed, regardless of how well they did” … on that test, it was 38%.

How well you do often depends on the competition.

By Andy

May 16, 2006 01:47 AM | Link to this

Man—its hard to admit—but I soooo wanted LaRoache on another team—now after all the bashing and bashing—I’m rooting for him. Man this sucks but I am actually rooting more for him now than before—-as long as he’s a Brave—its a good thing. I look foward to the rookies coming up from AAA and starting for Davis and Sosa.

By Bob, journalist jg

May 16, 2006 02:15 AM | Link to this

I missed the game but I know who scored the winning run … and who’s leading the league in hitting!

Formula for Success … let Villarreal stay in until he blows a save; leave him in until he gets the win.

I listening to the WGST replay on MLB.com … Bobby’s comments on “The Play” were the best I’ve heard.

By teoa

May 16, 2006 02:40 AM | Link to this

Credit where credit is due: moving LaDouche out of the 5-hole was a great move (as most people here have known for a month now.) Not sure why it took nearly as long as it did, but the Braves are really starting to reap the rewards of having McCann up in some big RBI spots. Now let’s just work a little on those other problem areas - namely bullpen, closer, first base. This team might be alright with a couple of timely trades and a call-up. I’m willing to give Giles more time at leadoff…he’s starting to get on base a lot more often lately. There was no way he wasn’t going to get better. He may still not work out in the end as a leadoff, but replacing him is a much less pressing need than resolving this pen that continues to blow 50% of all save opportunities. And LaDouche must go — whether he is replaced by Jordan, Betemit, Kelly Johnson, Thorman, Jurries, Salty, whoever…he is a clear liability and any move is a good move at this point.

By Bob, journalist jg

May 16, 2006 03:04 AM | Link to this

Andy, good for you! it doesent “suck”, as you say .. to root for all players as long as they’re on the team — its a good thing!

It’s only natural for good fans to root hard for those who are being viciously attacked by insensitive folks … for having made a mistake … especially someone like Adam who seems genuine and certainly gives his best.

If we have have to “boo”, lets remember to direct those at the opposition … and the umpires who wear all that protection and are paid to take the abuse.

By Chop Chop

May 16, 2006 03:24 AM | Link to this

My belief will always be that the only time you boo a player on your own team is if he shows a lack of effort. LaRoche got booed for the rest of that game and, in my view, that settles it.

Unlike some fans, all I expect from the players on my favorite team is to play hard and play smart. If you get enough guys who do that and they have enough talent, you’ll win more than you lose. That’s why the Braves have been consistent winners for so long.

By Bob, journalist jg

May 16, 2006 03:24 AM | Link to this

Andy, It’s also okay to boo those who “boo” the Braves … just make sure folks know who it is you’re booing!

By Bob, journalist jg

May 16, 2006 04:09 AM | Link to this

Chop Chop, you’re a good fan and I’m sure you don’t! We seldom disagree and i don’t know that we really disagree on the booing … however, we probably have different definitions of what constitutes a “lack of effort” … I’d rather think that Adam misjudged the situation and the urgency of the moment … rather than rather than displaying a lack of effort.

Without naming names, there are several Braves who, upon realizing that the probabiliy of making a play or reaching base safely is very low … make less than a 100% effort in that situation. Depending on your perspective, that can be considered a lack of effort.

A few games ago, Edgar hit a “popup” just off home plate that started out just foul and should have caught by the Catcher … he stood at the plate while it came back into Fair territory … started running only after he realized the Catcher was in trouble … and barely made it to first ahead of the throw.

It was cheers rather than boos that I heard on that play … but, in my view, both he and Adam were probably guilty of the same sins … one got caught and the other didn’t … one’s currently in favor, the other’s not.

Cheers!

By John

May 16, 2006 07:06 AM | Link to this

The LaRoche waltz is just another sign that Atlanta does not have the heart (or the talent) to win the N.L. East. All Bobby Cox asks of his team is to give 100%, which LaRoche most certainly did not. Now, with Davies disbled, a closer with a 6.00 ERA, a weak bullpen, no true lead-off hitter (Bobby, put Giles back to #2 please), the club dependent on John Smoltz to go nine more than ever, and no money to pick up any talent for a strtch run, the streak is over.

By Dave knockahomer

May 16, 2006 07:39 AM | Link to this

on another blog, good ole bushwhacker reminded me and should remind all of us that LaRoche has been there for us!

Bushwacker simply stated: “How quickly we forget. While Chipper was lollygagging lasy year on the DL, it was Adam along with Andruw who carried this team. Did we forget that Adam was second in RBI’s las year as a part time player. Give the kid a break, he’s allowed to go thru a slump too, just like Francouer.”

thanks, Bushwacker…..I, like alot of folk have short memory. And I also stand by my statements that Cox has never reprimanded Chipper Jones for his lack of hustle doing down the first base line. Let’s be fair. but it will be a cold day in you know where before Cox ever gets hacked at Chipper’s lack of hustle.

the 11-8 win? Great, but don’t forget: THEY, the lowly Marlins, got 8 runs off of us! Just so happened that their bullpen was even worse than ours! Go figure!

By BOB C

May 16, 2006 08:01 AM | Link to this

A week ago it was nine games out. This morning it’s 5 1/2. It is the bullpen? The hitting? The rotation? Probably some of all these elements but mainly it’s the competition. The playing field has leveled. The Muts are finally playing someone else besides Washington and Florida and are coming back to the pack. As for the Phils, watched them too many times here in Clearwater this spring. There are a lot of cracks that will eventually be exposed particularly on the pitching side. We’ll be okay.

By ssiscribe

May 16, 2006 08:09 AM | Link to this

Time for my two cents worth, since I’ve spent the past two days reading everybody else’s take on LazyGate (not to be confused with HeadlineGate).

There is no defending Adam LaRoche’s lazy play Sunday, a play that cost the Braves four runs and ultimately, a game against a really bad team, on a day the Mets lost, on the day after the Braves won their most thrilling game of the season.

Everybody wants to talk about LaRoche’s ADD, but it seems there are a lot of fans suffering from memory loss.

Funny how so many people want to pin last year’s Game 4 loss in the Division Series on LaRoche for being thrown out at the plate on a play he should have scored on, but folks forget that the dude was sick the entire game and eventually had to leave. Did you forget about the grand slam he hit earlier in the game to give the Braves a big lead?

And, was it LaRoche on the mound in the eighth and ninth innings? No. Was LaRoche out there leaving runners on base in extra innings? No. You can blame LaRoche for Game 4, but you better blame Tim Hudson and Kyle Farnsworth and every hitter who came up in extra innings with runners on base. Case closed.

Sunday’s play was stupid and lazy and inexcusable. Leaving him in to be booed was a brilliant move by Cox; that will stick with Adam longer than anything. But at the end of the day, it’s one dumb play from a guy who has given this team plenty of positives during the past three years.

He’s a streaky hitter, sure. But everybody out there bashing him seems to forget the times where he’s hot with the bat, like down the stretch last year and into the postseason. Funny how nobody wants to talk about that.

Oh Adam, what have you done for us lately? Remember, it wasn’t too long ago that people wanted Jeff Francoeur optioned to Richmond (I, for one, thought a couple days off would help, but never said he should go to the minors). There are people who want to trade Chipper and LaRoche for Todd Helton (totally unrealistic).

You’re entitled to your opinions, certainly. But at the end of the day, LaRoche may not hit the 45 homers that everybody wants out of their first basemen, but the dude is a big part of this franchise and its success. He made one hell of a mistake, but it’s not a mistake that should cause him to be sent elsewhere.

Great win last night. Davies being out is gonna hurt, definitely. Mac’s gotta be an All-Star, gang, unless he just falls off the face of the Earth at this point.

By glennbo

May 16, 2006 08:50 AM | Link to this

if laroche was batting .275 with half the strikeouts, folks might not be as prone to pile on.

By Matt

May 16, 2006 09:12 AM | Link to this

This isn’t the first time his lack of hustle has cost the Braves! He half-assed it around the bases last year in the playoffs and cost us a run!! He’s a little young to be showing such a lack of hustle!! There is no excuse not to hustle and it’s cost the Braves more than once! How bout sending him down for a week or so! No, instead let’s bench him for the first 5 innings and then sub him in…..THAT’LL SHOW ‘EM!! GOOD JOB BOBBY! YOU REALLY GOT YOUR POINT ACROSS!!!!

By Matthew

May 16, 2006 09:38 AM | Link to this

Esteemed journalist Jimmy Smith: did baby seal visit with Parontoe and teach him how to throw cheese? My goodness, six K’s in three innings of relief is outstanding. Can the big fella get a pie?

I hate that Davies is hurt. If I read correctly, Travis Smith is going to be recalled. Is that the same Smith (wears glasses) who has been hit hard in two or three cups of coffee with the Braves? If so, then we are in trouble. We need a veteran lefty starter who’s fairly cheap, maybe even someone who’s a little past his prime (Jeff Fassero maybe-I saw where he was designated for assignment). Just a guy who can give us some quality innings while we heal, and while JS looks for another starter (I know, I know, Dontrelle or Barry Zito aren’t coming, but I can dream can’t I?) did anyone see where the Twins moved Carlos Siva to the ‘pen due to some recent struggles? Can you say “buy low, sell high?” and perhaps get him while he’s down and then see him surge back (i.e., Renteria)? Just a thought.

Perhaps the scuffles we’ve seen would be easier to bear if we knew that management was working on fixing the problem. ANY deal would show us that JS hasn’t given up, or has the evil empire (Time Warner) put a ban on trades until the Mets win the division?

Adam Laroche is a solid citizen. He doesn’t beat his wife, he loves his kids, and he pays his taxes. The ADD I’m sure makes it hard for him to succeed, and the fact that he’s made it this far is very admirable. That being said, if the medicine doesn’t work or if he refuses to take it, then he should be traded. I hate to say that, because I like the potential I see in him and think he is a good influence in the clubhouse. But we can’t have a regular player who is booed daily by his own fans. As a fan, it’s your right to boo if you want. But that can’t lead to a home field advantage. Rochy, either take your meds and get better, get someone to help you focus on hitting, or prepare to be traded.

I couldn’t watch the game last night (don’t get Turner South) but like how the bats have come alive. Brian McCann, I have voted 20 times for you to go to the All-Star Game already. If everyone on this blog doesn’t vote for McCann to be an All-Star, then I’m going to send big bad Paronto out to make you an offer you can’t refuse…:)

By journalist jimmy smith

May 16, 2006 10:02 AM | Link to this

as you know, this journalist has been touting the man with no neck who throws a sinker that sinks. last night’s impressive performance has caused journalist jimmy smith to do some research on the man with the nickname, “none”. it should be noted that the correct pronounciation of his name is pah-RON-toe. emphasis is not really on the toe, though the toe is important to paronto’s overall health and pitching performance. the name ending in toe also makes him more imposing - that, and the fact he has no neck, is 6’5” and weighs 260 pounds. imagine if he were paronchin, or paronear - neither name strikes fear like parontoe. the toe makes all the difference in how he is perceived on the field - that, and a sinker that really sinks. fans will want to know more about the big man from the granite state. journalist jimmy smith is happy to oblige. here are some little known facts about the player known in the clubhouse as, none. chad paronto was born a little baby in new hampshire. he attended the university of massachusetts at amherst. another famous braves relief pitcher once pitched at umass. can you name him? jeff r-e-a-r-d-o-n. let’s hope paronto can overcome that. now, andruw … he is getting pitches to hit and jimmy smith wonders if this is because the current best hitter in the league is batting behind him? go figure.

By Da Bat Boy

May 16, 2006 10:17 AM | Link to this

DOB, how about moving Chuck James into the starting rotation? Seems like his credentials are as good as Davies and he pitched well in spring training.

By Matthew

May 16, 2006 10:29 AM | Link to this

Da Bat Boy: James is on the 15 day DL (strained right hammy).

I forgot that we are also missing Blaine Boyer for the year, and Lance Cormier (who I thought pitched well) is on the 15 day DL also. John Foster may not pitch again, so three of our relievers are gone, shortening an already thin bullpen. That’s one reason why “None” Paronto has impressed me so much. It’s almost like BC and JS could turn the Bad News Bears or the Indians from the movie “Major League” into champions. I mean, an Aussie with no track record, Kenny Ray who hasn’t pitched in the bigs since I was in high school (‘99), Sr Citizen Mike Remlinger, etc.

The injury bug has hit us hard again this year, and it seems that it’s hitting early. Hopefully that means that when the heat picks up in July and August, the Braves will be healthy and swinging hot bats.

I still would like to see Laroche throw a few pitches. I like him as a player and a person, and would like to see him stay in the ATL. Maybe we could use him to replace John Foster as a lefty specialist. Who knows?

By Matthew

May 16, 2006 10:32 AM | Link to this

James is on the 15 day DL (strained hammy).

Jimmysmith, thanks for keeping us iformed about “None” Pa-RON-to. I’ve been really impressed with how JS and BC can take has beens or never was’es (sorry) and turn them into good, serviceable pitchers (Ray, Remlinger, etc.)

Any truth to the comments about Laroche throwing some pitches? He’d be a good replacement for lefty specialist John Foster, who may never pitch again.

GO BRAVOS!!

By Matthew

May 16, 2006 10:34 AM | Link to this

Sorry about the double post. When I posted the first time, the screen came up as a “Sorry the page cannot be found.” I didn’t realize that the post still went through.

By journalist jimmy smith

May 16, 2006 10:36 AM | Link to this

lots of journalists on the blog today. fans should be well pleased with the information that will be passed. dob believes it will be travis smith who comes to town. travis is coming off a disappointing appearance against the toledo mud hens where he gave up 10 hits and seven earned runs in 6 1/3 innings. contrast that with anthony lerew who has altered his set position and has gotten much better results. he allowed two hits in seven shutout innings in the richmond braves’ 3-1 victory over scranton/wilkes-barre. lerew also had two hits, scoring a run and stealing a base - and almost stealing another. he is considered atlanta’s top pitching prospect. could we see him instead of smith? matthew, parontoe is indeed throwing cheese. better to throw cheese than to eat cheese. think how much cheese that boy could eat!

By Spongy

May 16, 2006 10:39 AM | Link to this

Would anyone else like to see Paronto take on Pratt in an old-school Greco-Roman Wrestling match?

Those dudes are huge!

By doc

May 16, 2006 10:40 AM | Link to this

glennbo, you know it isnt as simple as that as people have been standing in line ready to pile on, all off season. i know you are not new to the blog so its not news to you but it is a reality. they have waited for his slump, his gaffe, whatever and unfortunately he delivered. sometimes you get what you expect and as a fandom the braves bloggers have manifested what they have wanted since early last year with laroche.

no one has been degraded or been abused like laroche has since, oh yeah, about this time last year. it was a guy named andruw jones who was ridden about his risp numbers until he had the greatest offensive season in braves history.

when fans come with such bile one cant help but thing they are really covering something up in their own lives, so go ahead pile on and show what is right or wrong in your own lives in spite of your so called objectivity. it is one play in a lifetime. what you say is entertaining to a point, but after that it is merely a problem within to continue the derisive comments about someone else. please dont anyone come up with the old line they get paid …. that really shows the true issue of yours not his.

By Bob, journalist jg

May 16, 2006 11:04 AM | Link to this

Jimmy Smith,

Looks like “Primosabe” Paronto is a keeper; he certainly was primo last night!

By Del

May 16, 2006 11:12 AM | Link to this

Wonder how long it will be before Bobby decides that he ought to flip flop our #3 and #5 hitters in the batting order. I just wonder !!

By Bob, journalist jg

May 16, 2006 11:27 AM | Link to this

Jimmy Smith, I just had the opportunity to read your post to MBATL regarding a difference of opinion on “the play”.

I must admit that my feelings have been influenced by the inexcusable abuse heaped on Adam by some folks disguised as fans … and by the unnecessairily harsh criticism of his play and the lack of empathy for him druing his struggles … to my way of thinking, he’s a member of the team I support, trying to do his best to be a good teammate … and deserves our support.

I imagine that you saw my opinion in the previous Blog that either perspective could be correct and I’m inclined to think that the “poor judgement” one is more likely, regardless of the admission.

I believe that he misread the urgency of the situation. It’s not like those who showboat when they think they hit a homerun … only to find that the ball is in play.

I think it would certainly not be unuasual for people with attention and/or learning disorders to access their performance mishaps as being “effort” and/or “focus/attention” related … when in fact they were “judgement” related.

One would think that LaRoach would have been at a slight competitive disadvantage throuout his career because of his ADD … and the fact that his has succeeded suggests a strong work ethic and higher level of effort than those competing for his position … or that he has a significantly higher level of talent.

That being said, I’m sure that I’m in the minority in feeling that Team Management has the responsibility to carefully evaluate situations where players have identified conditions that have the potiential to inpact the “play” of the player … and to assure themselves that Prescribed Plans of Care are in place and being effected … when such action is deemed appropriate.

If Adam’s condition is affecting his play and such a plan is not in place and being properly effected, then it is management, not Adam, that should be held responsible.

By Matthew

May 16, 2006 11:37 AM | Link to this

Jimmy:

I bet Paronto could take out a cheese store with room left over for dessert, CHEESEcake of course.

This question has been asked, I know, but what pitchers do we have in the minors? Are our only prospects middle infielders and cathers/1B? I’d love to see a pitching version of McCann and Franceour called up and rescue us!

By renegadedawg

May 16, 2006 11:38 AM | Link to this

I’m sure LaRoche is a great guy. I’m sure his teammates like him. I hope LaRoche does well the rest of the year and has a fruitful life. But Adam Laroche is dead to me as a Brave. If he does great, fine. If he does terrible, fine. He’s made the same lollygag mistakes over and over and over, etc…I love the Braves, and if they can tolerate it, so will I. I don’t expect anything from LaRoche on the baseball field.

By craig t

May 16, 2006 11:38 AM | Link to this

The mistake was the braves thinking that LaRoache is a starting first baseman in any situation. I ask evertone this, name me any other ” contending ” team with playoff hopes that would want LaRoache as their first baseman, I think there would be none.Tell how how many teams would want LaRoache as their ist baseman period, not many I think. He is a nice guy, who made a stupid play, but the Braves need more production from that position, something LaRoache hasnt shown the ability to give you over his career. A .260 hitter, 20 homers, 75 rbi’s are nice, but we need more than that, and this year LaRoache isnt even going to give you that. We need a new first baseman, not because of that play, but because LaRoache is a joe bag of donuts 1st baseman.

By Bob, journalist jg

May 16, 2006 11:40 AM | Link to this

Most Honorable Jimmy Smith,

I agree that we have the right to expect “full effort” from the players … but not because we paid the price of admission. My view is that teammates, management, owners, and fans all have the right to expect that a player does his best to help the team, on and off the field, at all times … regardless of any price of admission.

But we may differ with regard to our definition of “giving their best effort”. I won’t consider Andruw’s “frequent diving catches” as “best efforts” when they become “frequent diving misses”.

In my book, the poor effort guys are (1) higly paid “prima donnas” who feel they have some sort of entitlement status (2) players concerned with their own success rather that that of the team (3)those preoccupied with personal problems and (4) those who think they’re not paid to walk or get singles … and not concerned with strikeouts so long as they get their RBIs.

Certainly, players that allow themselves to be out of condition certainly are not giving their best.

I have trouble placing Adam in any of those categories.

I can remember Henry Arron being wrongly criticized for defensive “laziness” and it being suggested that he, like many others, were more concerned with not getting hurt and shortening his career than in giving 100%.

Of course, I’m getting old and my excitement comes from good defensive plays, effective pitching, bat control and little ball … “fly ball” home runs, of less than 400 feet, are boring and should count as singles … they’d probably be outs if the stands weren’t in the way.

By Matthew

May 16, 2006 11:41 AM | Link to this

Just re-read your comments about Lerew, Jimmy. Is there a reason why he’s not coming up? DOB, can you advise?

By Braveswin

May 16, 2006 11:54 AM | Link to this

For all y’all wanting the good ‘ole days back, should we see if Rico Brogna is still playing somewhere?

By hoho

May 16, 2006 12:20 PM | Link to this

BOB- about to go to work, but a few comments, questions. i really like “little ball” also. heck i just love the game. i’ve never (i think) been one who only loves the homer. i agree, great defense can be very exciting. seeing maximum effort can be exciting: think if you were a nationals fan the other day and saw nick johnson running hard down the line. that would be exciting.

baseball, unlike basketball (evidently) is a sport where players play both sides of the ball and are expected to give maximum effort. i get so disgusted every basketball season when i have to hear about coaches “convincing” players to buy in to defense. heck, isn’t that half of their job? i think that not playing defense certainly would fall under the selfish category. somehow in basketball it seems more accepted.

please remind me (not quite old enough) - hank aaron did play some 1b late in his career, correct? with the braves or brewers?

By hk

May 16, 2006 12:43 PM | Link to this

ssiscribe,

… agree totally .. still trying to reproduce that format you used the other day with the dots and indents … was able to simulate it using MS WORD, but when I copied and pasted, the dots became question marks and the indents went away have … tried ctrl (this) and ctrl (that), etc, no luck …

… here are ‘MVP’ numbers through last night (MVP = projected end of year R + HR + RBI) …

Year End….Runs….Homers….RBI’s….MVP

Andruw……115……38…….162……315

Francoeur….81……30…….136……247

LaRoche……81……21……..81……183

McCann…….72……21……..81……175

Renteria…..90…….9……..64……162

Chipper……94…….9……..60……162

… Chipper slowly creeping up … curves:

[here](http://www.mindspring.com/~hk3/newton.htm}

By David O'Brien

May 16, 2006 12:44 PM | Link to this

Mathew, yes, there’s a reason Lerew isn’t up, actually a few: 1-2 with an 8.44 ERA (no, not a typo) in eight starts at Richmond, with 45 hits, six homers, 21 walks and 32 strikeouts in 37-1/3 innings.

Thankyouverymuch….

By hk

May 16, 2006 12:49 PM | Link to this

…. dad gum it …

here

By Matthew

May 16, 2006 01:41 PM | Link to this

Sorry for bugging you DOB. I could have checked that myself. I had hear that he had thrown a few good innings, but should have checked it myself. Man those aren’t call-up-able numbers at all.

This goes to show why I come to this blog. DOB is the beat writer, yet he takes time to answer an easy question from a fan hours away (in Northeast Ark). I appreciate that effort very much. Can you visit with Rochy on going the extra mile…:)

Thanks again.

By P'Cola Michael

May 16, 2006 02:05 PM | Link to this

I am a good guy, don’t beat my wife and barely cheat on my taxes…why can’t I play 1st for the Braves? WTF??

That is stupid! He is supposed to be a professional ballplayer and the items you named about the things he IS and does not do are COMMON SENSE! He should be a nice guy, love his kids and not beat his wife! Now, the taxes thing….ahh…

By bdub

May 16, 2006 02:10 PM | Link to this

dont know if anyone is still reading but is it just me or is it bu!!sh!t that DOB has to defend every comment and then go after retards with bad attitudes every day now. Is it becasue we are losing? I love the blog and read it every day but this is turning into a freaking battle.

By P'Cola Michael

May 16, 2006 02:22 PM | Link to this

Bdub,

I’m here with ya. You’re right.

By journalist jimmy smith

May 16, 2006 02:22 PM | Link to this

dob’s comments on lerew are accurate - as are jimmy smith’s comments. pitching coaches have worked with lerew and altered his set postion, dropping his hands to his belt before his windup. it seems to have paid off. travis smith is the journeyman dob wrote about in the spring. he is not highly regarded as is lerew. still, lerew has struggled at richmond. lerew throws a nasty sinker. smith had been the steadiest richmond starter until undone by the mighty mud hens.

By Tony

May 16, 2006 02:23 PM | Link to this

Head Coach,

Please don’t compare Adam LaRoache to Mark Grace. Mark Grace was a career .300 hitter and a great fielding 1st basemen. Gold Glover that is…

Dave Knockahomer,

Hmmm Adam LaRoache help carry the Braves last year? I could have sworn it was Andruw, Betemit stepping up, Furcal got hot in the second half and Francouer being called up. I just don’t remember LaRoache carrying the club at any time last year….so that’s a joke.

By Matthew

May 16, 2006 02:27 PM | Link to this

P’Cola:

You missed my whole point. Those things were intended to show that I have no personal animosity toward Laroche, but that those likeable characteristics do not excuse bad play.

Read the whole post again, and I think you’ll see where I’m coming from. I just don’t get why people have to insult a man personally like he is the village idiot because he made a bad play. That makes him a poor performer on the field, not someone who deserves to be insulted personally.

By luke

May 16, 2006 02:34 PM | Link to this

hey TennesseePaul, whats up with braves.net? what happened to the website? i dont understand that website a bit!

By journalist jimmy smith

May 16, 2006 02:36 PM | Link to this

• • journalist again attempts transition - *

“uh, i’m back in the saddle again, out where a friend is a friend, uh, where the long horn cattle feed on the uh, lone-ly jim-son weed; uh, i’m back in the saddle again. uh, ridin’ the range once more, totin’ my old forty-four, here you sleep out every night - and the uh, only law is right, uh, back in the saddle again.”

“uh, whoopi ti yi yo, rockin’ to an’ fro, uh, back in the saddle again; uh, whoopi ti yi yea, uh, i’ll go my own way; uh, back in the saddle again.”

like the singing cowboy, chipper enjoys spending time on the ranch. the past few seasons he’s headed to the ranch after the first round of the playoffs. this season, he plans to stay around baseball longer as the braves advance in the post-season. now, chipper made the comment that the braves would, “uh, lay in the weeds” watching the mets for a time, and then make a move. journalist jimmy smith wonders if it is time to come out of the weeds now? journalist jimmy smith plans to ask this of chipper after tonight’s game - if, chipper has an rbi. he has left many runners on base as of late and tends to be a bit, uh, grumpy when asked about it. journalist will approach if approachable. in the meantime …

feel free to uh, yodel along with chipper.

By P'Cola Michael

May 16, 2006 02:36 PM | Link to this

Matthew,

You’re right…and I agree with you to that extent. And I agree that people are coming down on him excessively, but, if you look at him, or his manerisms, he is consistantly lackidazical….that is not the true makeup of a professional athelete in my opinion.

I think the biggest thing is that we, as fans, see all of the other successful teams with the power hitting first basemen and then we look at ole pookey over here on our corner and get discouraged.

By Chris

May 16, 2006 02:52 PM | Link to this

I was looking at www.mlb4u.com at contracts for Braves players. Thought it would be interesting to post where we will stand with free agents for the next couple of years.

Starting Pitchers: Smoltz - signed thru 2006, $8 million team option for 2007 Hudson - signed thru 2009, $12 million mutual option for 2010 Thomson - signed thru 2006, then free agent Ramirez - arbitration eligible after 2006 and 2007 seasons, free agent after 2008 Hampton - signed thru 2008, $20 million team option for 2009 (don’t think that one will be exercised!) Sosa - signed thru 2006, then free agent (and good riddance) Davies - many years away from free agency

Regular Position Players: McCann - many years away from free agency LaRoche - under control of Braves (with arbitration) thru 2009 Giles - under control of Braves (with arbitration) thru 2007 Renteria - signed thru 2008, $11 million team option for 2009 C Jones - signed thru 2008, $8 million team option for 2009 Langerhans - many years away from free agency A Jones - signed thru 2007 Francoeur - many years away from free agency

So here is who we would stand to lose after the next couple of seasons (not including role/platoon players such as Brian Jordan, nor the bullpen):

after this year: Thomson Sosa

after 2007 (yikes!): A Jones Giles Smoltz Cox/Schuerholz (both of their contracts expire)

No problem after this year, we can let Thomson and Sosa walk, and plug in Hampton (who should be ready by then) and Davies or someone else from the farm system. No losses among the main position players at all. Including Smoltz’s option, we will have about $60 million tied up in contracts, with most of our other players young and therefore cheap, so we should have a little money to play with (unless Liberty cuts payroll). Potentially a very solid starting rotation for 2007, with Smoltz/Hudson/Hampton/Ramirez the top 4.

Obviously, major problems after 2007. We will have about $45 million tied up in contracts for Hampton, Hudson, Chipper and Renteria, which probably doesn’t leave enough room to re-sign Andruw, Giles and Smoltz (of course Smoltz might retire, but then we still lose him), and also pay the rest of the team. Not to mention that Schuerholz and/or Bobby might retire as well.

So, we better win it all this year or next. There will have to be some serious re-making of the team after 2007, and we might not have Schuerholz around to do it.

By Ling Lee

May 16, 2006 03:22 PM | Link to this

There’s no ADD in baseball! Bench him for a few more games Bobby! ADD is no excuse for laziness!! LaRoche has played lazy for years now. IT just reared it’s ugly head on Sunday!

By Tony

May 16, 2006 04:03 PM | Link to this

Chris,

“Potentially a very solid starting rotation for 2007, with Smoltz/Hudson/Hampton/Ramirez the top 4”

Are you serious? Smoltz will definitely be on his last legs. Hudson is no where near the pitcher he was in Oakland. Hampton will be coming off injury, and who knows what he would be like. Ramirez, hopefully by then will be a solid pitcher, but up until now he hasn’t been reliable.

By Chris

May 16, 2006 04:10 PM | Link to this

Tony

I did say potentially. As for Smoltz “being on his last legs”, I don’t know what basis you have for assuming that, given Smoltz’s performance last year (14-7, 3.06, 230 IP)and so far this year (3-2, 3.44). I still think Hudson will settle down to be at least a solid #2 type pitcher, he has been much better his last few starts. Yes, Hampton and Ramirez are uncertain, but both have been good at times in the past. I would rather have them in the rotation over Sosa any day.

By bdub

May 16, 2006 04:17 PM | Link to this

Hey DOB, I went to Alabama and had the honor of watching Lance Cormier pitch every Friday night. The guy was an inning eater. He pitched 8 innings every time out and reminded you alot of a young right handed Tom Glavine college version anyway. Is there any way he would be considered (once healthy) for the rotation given there is a spot due to current or future injury. I beleive Lance has been a starter at every level until now???

By metsfanintheatl

May 16, 2006 04:19 PM | Link to this

don’t get too excited about feasting on gNATS and bream!!!!