Jay Bookman

By DB, Gwinnettian

February 10, 2009 7:46 AM | Link to this

So the guv is pallin’ around with a guy who pals around with terrists?

Idiot Boy’s pin-up won’t be happy with that, you betcha!

By AJC/DNC Management

February 10, 2009 7:46 AM | Link to this

And?

I’m sure ACORN is urging passage of this monstrosity too, just like any other federal tax dollar junkie, Crist included.

Does a trillion wrongs make it right, Bookman?

Make your list of RINOs and check it twice, cause I know we are, bwahahahahaha, oww!

By Taxpayer

February 10, 2009 8:04 AM | Link to this

No. A trillion wrongs do not make anything right. But, say it one more time anyway — for good measure.

By Mrs. Godzilla

February 10, 2009 8:08 AM | Link to this

Good for Charlie!

Bipartisanship is terribly sexy!

By Mrs. Godzilla

February 10, 2009 8:10 AM | Link to this

Oh and I read that the lovely Guv supported the stimulus before she opposed it.

By DB, Gwinnettian

February 10, 2009 8:16 AM | Link to this

Ok, I’ll ask—aside from stomping your tiny wingnut feet in unison, what do you guys propose to do about these RINOs, Andy? Are you mounting (ew) any actual primary challenges?

Is there an online resource where one might learn more, or are you going to do your usual “repeat the stupid talking point I dun learned from my AM Radio Godz” business? Either way works, but I prefer the former. Unless it’s Stormfront or AmRen, which I ain’t clickin’…

By Joey

February 10, 2009 8:19 AM | Link to this

Crist is an adult. His state went for Obama. Nothing wrong with him supporting a stimulus.

Likewise, there is nothing wrong with adults who represent other states expressing their disagreement with either or both of these two bills.

Come on Democrats, just merge the two bills and vote on the composit already.

By AJC/DNC Management

February 10, 2009 8:27 AM | Link to this

DeadBeat: I have no idea why you are asking me to help you out with your ignorance and cluelessness, do you consider a miracle worker?

First of all, I don’t need websites to tell me how to think like you obviously do, I prefer to rely on the gathering of facts and carefully considered reasoning.

Try it some time, stunt dummy, maybe you won’t have to ask for so much help.

By Taxpayer

February 10, 2009 8:29 AM | Link to this

Actually, Andy and his ilk are going to do the DNC’s job for them — they’re going to oust those no good RINO turncoats. How dare they break ranks and just say yes. How dare they consider we the people over party favors. How dare them! Off with their heads.

By DB, Gwinnettian

February 10, 2009 8:34 AM | Link to this

The hell? Andy, WTF is wrong with you? I just want to know if you’re aware of any primary challenges to RINOs that are afoot.

You can admit that you don’t know the answer to something. It’s allowed. Really.

Although I’ve gotta say, your Luddite business about how you don’t need any of them con-sarned Inter-tube sites on the Computer Machine to tell you what to think, sonny boy? Comedy gold.

As was the notion that your elementary-school-level ramblings here are the product of “carefully considered reasoning.”

gotta run. Later, all.

By AJC/DNC Management

February 10, 2009 8:38 AM | Link to this

{{{{In place of this we get short-term despair and long-term sorta maybe optimism, contingent on giving his administration a trillion dollars to reward old friends and buy new ones. We must sign on to his whole agenda, and we must prostrate ourselves before his throne. On top of all that, this teacher has many preachy lessons for us backward types. We must stop our partisan bickering and narrow self-interest and parochial jingoism and patriotic chauvinism and ethnocentrism and irresponsible financial behavior. This professor ain’t cool, he’s cold… and a scold.

How about some talk about our national virtues, or don’t we have any? Apparently, Obama says, he must “remake America.” I never thought I would be looking back on Jimmy Carter’s rhetoric with nostalgia.-AmSpec}}}}

Not only that, we will be looking back on Bush’s economy with nostalgia.

By Paul

February 10, 2009 8:40 AM | Link to this

Jay

Previous thread - sounds reasonable. I wonder if any of those Capitol Hill doctors would diagnose Sen Leahy or Rep Conyers as suffering from obsessive compulsive disorder.

It seems Gov Crist is putting his responsibility as a governor above what some see as his responsibility as a party member. He recognizes this is the only viable option - ‘viable’ meaning ‘timely’ - with a chance of passage.

I do have to say - I find it astounding that when people or news media refer to what Pres Obama repeats

““You didn’t send us to Washington because you were hoping for more of the same,” Obama told the crowd”

that it’s portrayed as referring to Republicans and that Democrats are somehow exempt. As I listened to his address at the Democratic retreat I thought how easily his words could be taken to apply to the entrenched Republican and Democratic power structure - but like the woman sitting in the pew listening to the sermon on not gossiping, Democrats think it’s directed at someone else.

Really, what is this bill if not a classic Democratic ‘stimulus’ package? What is ‘new’ about it, in either theory or practice? So when Democratic leadership busts the President’s spending targets by tens of billions of dollars and he speaks against “the same old practices” - how can Democrats filter that to say “he’s talking about Republicans who want only tax cuts!”?

By CommunistAJC

February 10, 2009 8:44 AM | Link to this

What is your point, Bookman?

Bookman=Canceled subscriptions. Yee Haw!

By TN Gelding

February 10, 2009 8:46 AM | Link to this

Joey

February 10, 2009 8:19 AM

If only it were that simple.

The conference committee could get vicious. Look for the funds going directly to the states that the Senate stripped out to be reinserted.

By this guy must be a real loser

February 10, 2009 8:52 AM | Link to this

AJC/DNC Management and his ilk are sniveling about a fiscal drop in the bucket (acorn), political name-calling (rinos), and the veracity of poll methodology while real issues are dragging the econmy further into the ditch. Thanks a lot AJC/DNC Management. You are real loser. Now please go work on some more idiotic and moronic cut-n-paste postings.

You and you type will ensure a long term drought for the republicans.

By AJC/DNC Management

February 10, 2009 8:58 AM | Link to this

Whiny little personal attacks are ok now?

By Joey

February 10, 2009 9:00 AM | Link to this

TN; I know it is not that simple. I also know that the bigger obstacles will be Democrats fighting over these two bills.

But Bookman will continue to present this subject as though it is the Republican opponents who are causing the obstruction.

Hence my call for Democrats to step up. Obama cries out emergency. Democrats in Congress wrestle over favors for their favorite Lobby.

By Eric1

February 10, 2009 9:01 AM | Link to this

Every time President Obama opens his mouth he enhances the buffoonish image of George Bush! It’s amazing that he had any support for those 8 hellish years.

By TN Gelding

February 10, 2009 9:01 AM | Link to this

AJC/DNC Management

February 10, 2009 8:38 AM

Bush will have tripled the national debt before the ship can be “righted.”

And it was all so unnecessary. Before his (credit) house of cards collapsed the wealthiest among us could have paid off that debt with half of their assets, and it would have only taken a quarter if the rest of us kicked in our fair share. Now they’ve withdrawn ito their fortresses like frightened turtles.

By another dimwit here

February 10, 2009 9:04 AM | Link to this

“CommunistAJC” wtf? hey, Communist, the 50’s called. they want their alarmist bombast back.

By Taxpayer

February 10, 2009 9:05 AM | Link to this

So far, Republicans have insisted on one of two things — do nothing or cut taxes. If we took the route of doing nothing, then the first thing we would need is a time machine so we could go back and undo all the “somethings” from the Republicans and Bush that got us to this point in the first place. So, the opportunity to do nothing passed us by a long time ago. Then, there’s the tax cut cult. The government needs money to provide all the “things” that we the people want and/or need. That money comes from taxes and even if you borrow trillions of dollars, as Bush and the Republicans have done over the decades, to pay for these things, it still has to be paid back…with interest. So, if you Republicans insist on more tax cuts, then get off your rear ends and work with Congress and the President. Fight for what you believe in but be prepared to have to deal with the hard parts of the job — the stuff behind the scenes, the non-pandering, non-talk-show anything for a buck trash talk parts. Work with the rest of Congress to cut wasteful spending in order to cover the tax cuts. Earn your pay. Now, just say yes and get in there and work for we the people for a change. That’s the very least a true conservative should insist on unless he’s just looking to do more pandering on the taxpayer’s dime.

By CommunistAJC

February 10, 2009 9:05 AM | Link to this

Bookman, how is it that my comments get pulled yet “this guy must be a real loser” gets to attack AJC/DNC Management? Is this some sort of liberal double standard? Just wondering because my comment about GaLiberal was actually funny and harmless. No, GaLIberals mom didn’t REALLY procreate with a Yak but the thought of it makes me laugh.

By CommunistAJC

February 10, 2009 9:12 AM | Link to this

another dimwit here, I’m assuming that you are the same woman who calls themself “this guy must be a real loser?” Am I correct?

By AmVet

February 10, 2009 9:14 AM | Link to this

Politicians are some of the greatest actors in the world.

H&ll, we even elected one of the Hollywood clowns and some of the gullible and GOP faithful actually thought he was pretty good at his job!

Nonetheless, it is encouraging to see a man stand before the nation, who is not a blithering fool or an obvious dunce and who is not in WAY over his head, like this man’s predecessor.

Hopelessness and reactionary demagoguery replaced by hope and intellect.

If nothing else, that is real change.

And the neo-con’s self-inflicted slide into the abyss is just beginning…

By Andy the Welcher

February 10, 2009 9:14 AM | Link to this

“Whiny little personal attacks are ok now?”

Evidently they’ve always been ok Andy since you’re still here.

Welching is allowed as well.

ew

By getalife

February 10, 2009 9:15 AM | Link to this

Jindal said if he was still in the House he would vote no but will take the money.

Guvs should have the option to opt out but none will.

When they run out of countries to borrow from they can raise taxes or print more money.

The kids have no idea what hit them except this one

By Paul

February 10, 2009 9:15 AM | Link to this

Taxpayer 9:05

[[So far, Republicans have insisted on one of two things — do nothing or cut taxes.]]

Cite, please, from either influential (leadership) Republican Congressmen or Senators (or a significant block of rank and file) who have put it in those all or nothing, either-or terms?

this guy 8:52

[[sniveling about a fiscal drop in the bucket ]]

Do you have an amount or a threshold for a dollar amount that’s not a ‘drop” in the bucket? It was reported a short time ago that $78 billion of the first TARP funds are ‘unaccounted’ for. Is that a ‘drop’ in the bucket?

What gets overlooked is, you take a ‘drop’ here and a ‘drop’ there and pretty soon you’re into real money. Kinda like cutting your cable package of the movie channels, turning down your thermostat at night, cutting your cell phone plan to a minute plan you actually use (minimize unused minutes) and pretty soon you have quite a bit of money to spend elsewhere.

out for a bit -

By Taxpayer

February 10, 2009 9:16 AM | Link to this

Commie,

You and Andy need to get a room.

By fed up

February 10, 2009 9:18 AM | Link to this

I’m not surprised that Crist would back the bill his state is hurting. I thought Obama did a good job last night, he’s articulate and gave good answers (although they were a little long). Being good speaker is not all there is to being a good leader. That being said I am still very leary of this so called package. He said there were no earmarks but I believe pork and earmarks can be used interchangeably. I still think that the “jobs” that this bill is going to create is really no more than work and once the work is done the jobs are gone. I’m not sure how you measure 4 million jobs saved. Sometimes Obama said create 4 million jobs, sometimes he said 4 million jobs created or saved. When he said what has been done over the last 8 years hasn’t worked but if I understand correctly the “tax cut” of a rebate check didn’t work last year either. If they want to stimulate the economy, why not cut payroll taxes for a few months. If that doesn’t work it’s really easy to reverse, these programs in the stimulus package will be really hard to reverse, if not impossible.

By Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

February 10, 2009 9:19 AM | Link to this

It is clear that Crist wants a handout, not a handup. He needs the money to keep his career alive due to the effects of the Reid/Pelotio economy has had in FL.

On another note, I was most impressed by POTUS’ ability to speak, at the same time, with authority and profund ignorance. His diatribe on banks that levered assets “30 times” was impressive, until one realizes that it was equity, not assets that was levered 30x. If one takes all the matters which POTUS adressed with authority and applies the ignorance level of the leverage discussion, we are in for one big heap of hurt at his hands. As I said before, there are two types of people in this country: thos were remember what it was like to live under Jimmy Carter and thos who are about to find out.

By Bosch

February 10, 2009 9:21 AM | Link to this

Paul @ 8:40,

I don’t think we are in a “business as usual” environment here.

I’m not a big fan of this stimulus package, because like I said yesterday, I don’t think the government can fix this - but I like hearing those like Sumner’s who have told the GOP not to bother him with the lectures about fiscal responsibility.

I heard Alex Kastalanosuffalous or whatever his name is (I actually like that guy - not trying to make fun of his name, just don’t feel like looking it up for the spelling) say something interesting Sunday morning - the GOP is trying to go back to their old way of fiscal responsibility - which made me wanna throw a shoe at the TV. Well, it’s a little late now.

People can spout the history of this and the history of that, but this time, the conditions aren’t nearly the same, and yes, some spending is gonna have to be done. We are in unchartered territory (over the red line, so to speak) and comparing this economic crisis to any of the ones previous is ludicrous (?sp).

Now, how much spending? I don’t think this much, and I would like to see some private companies step up, but that ain’t gonna happen.

Many, if not most, of these job cuts could have been avoided if the top executives forwent (is that a word?) their bonuses, and the stockholders invested back into the company, but they don’t actually care about the company, just the lining of their own pocket. And, well, that’s certainly their right.

I liked Luckovich’s cartoon the other day with the “Scream” Munch theme. Very apropos.

By Taxpayer

February 10, 2009 9:23 AM | Link to this

To hear some of the right wing nuts talking, one might conclude that Jay is opinionated! The horror of it all. Why can’t he just present an unbiased opinion like Wooten! 8>)

By CommunistAJC

February 10, 2009 9:32 AM | Link to this

Taxpayer, you wrote: Commie, You and Andy need to get a room.

What kind of room? Since there are billions of rooms all across the country what kind of room should I get? I hear Rooms to Go has a nice collection of rooms but since you seem to be the expert on rooms, I’ll let you enlighten me a bit.

By CommunistAJC

February 10, 2009 9:34 AM | Link to this

Taxpayer, again, you wrote: o hear some of the right wing nuts talking, one might conclude that Jay is opinionated! The horror of it all.

Ok, so why do “wingnuts” on the left, such as yourself, cry and whine about Rush Limbaugh? OHHHHHH the horror, Taxpayer! Or should I call you Tom Daschle since dems don’t like to pay their taxes.

By CommunistAJC

February 10, 2009 9:36 AM | Link to this

Taxpayer, to quote The Raconteurs: You look pretty in your fancy dress. But I detect unhappiness. Are you unhappy Taxpayer? Did that dress make you look fat or ugly maybe? Just wondering.

By Taxpayer

February 10, 2009 9:38 AM | Link to this

By Paul February 10, 2009 9:15 AM | Link to this Taxpayer 9:05 [[So far, Republicans have insisted on one of two things — do nothing or cut taxes.]] Cite, please, from either influential (leadership) Republican Congressmen or Senators (or a significant block of rank and file) who have put it in those all or nothing, either-or terms?

Paul,

That’s (i.e., my sentence that you cited) the “fit for a blog post summary” of what President Obama said in his speech last night and since he deals with these Republicans every day, I’m willing to go with his word on it. Of course, if you need more, perhaps you might consider the group of Republicans that just say no to everything as existence proof of the option of doing nothing. Then, you could go through the words from some Republicans such as McCain and others and see first-hand where they are touting tax breaks. Finally, if that’s not enough proof, then one could possibly accept the fact that the non-existence of a Republican touting spending as a part of a stimulus package as proof of the opposite case or cases of either doing nothing or cutting taxes.

By Taxpayer

February 10, 2009 9:44 AM | Link to this

Commie,

Thanks for the show. 8>)

By whocares

February 10, 2009 9:46 AM | Link to this

Uhmmm.., is there ahhh…., any money uhhh… in this stimulus ahhh.. package to get uhmmm…Obama some uh… Public speaking lessons uhmmmm… so maybe ah.. he can uhmmm…. answer ah… a question ahhh… without errr…. having it uhmmm… typed out ah, for him err….on a uhmmmmmm,,,,, teleprompter?

By CommunistAJC

February 10, 2009 9:57 AM | Link to this

Taxpayer, no problem.

whocares, exactly. Without the script or a teleprompter he’s an empty suit.

By Pi

February 10, 2009 10:04 AM | Link to this

Brawk! Brawk! Hey! Barrack Obama’s first name is a chicken going, “Brawk”. I’ll bet school children taunted him with that common bronx cheer for a coward, Brawk! Brawk!!

brawk!

By CommunistAJC

February 10, 2009 10:04 AM | Link to this

Bookman, what say you on this article. It’s right on target with your discussion on the stimulus. Ever see the movie “Logans Run?” Well, here it is!

Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan: Betsy McCaughey

Commentary by Betsy McCaughey

Feb. 9 (Bloomberg) — Republican Senators are questioning whether President Barack Obama’s stimulus bill contains the right mix of tax breaks and cash infusions to jump-start the economy.

Tragically, no one from either party is objecting to the health provisions slipped in without discussion. These provisions reflect the handiwork of Tom Daschle, until recently the nominee to head the Health and Human Services Department.

Senators should read these provisions and vote against them because they are dangerous to your health. (Page numbers refer to H.R. 1 EH, pdf version).

The bill’s health rules will affect “every individual in the United States” (445, 454, 479). Your medical treatments will be tracked electronically by a federal system. Having electronic medical records at your fingertips, easily transferred to a hospital, is beneficial. It will help avoid duplicate tests and errors.

But the bill goes further. One new bureaucracy, the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology, will monitor treatments to make sure your doctor is doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost effective. The goal is to reduce costs and “guide” your doctor’s decisions (442, 446). These provisions in the stimulus bill are virtually identical to what Daschle prescribed in his 2008 book, “Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis.” According to Daschle, doctors have to give up autonomy and “learn to operate less like solo practitioners.”

Keeping doctors informed of the newest medical findings is important, but enforcing uniformity goes too far.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&refer=columnist_mccaughey&sid=aLzfDxfbwhzs

By rcs

February 10, 2009 10:07 AM | Link to this

{{{ Wyld Byll Hyltnyr 9:19 am }}}

He doesn’t understand what how we got in this mess, he under estimates the proven value of tax cuts in a recession and he is way off base on his summation of the Japanese economic disaster.

By chuck

February 10, 2009 10:07 AM | Link to this

If we took the route of doing nothing, then the first thing we would need is a time machine so we could go back and undo all the “somethings” from the Republicans and Bush that got us to this point in the first place.

Taxpayer, just what was it that Republicans did that got us into this mess? THE ACTION THAT GOT US ON THE WRONG PATH WAS WHEN THE REPUBLICAN CONGRESS STARTED ACTING LIKE DEMOCRATS.

I can understand your reluctance to accept that Republicans can fix things, but is turning things over to the far left wing of the democrat party the way that we need to be going now? I don’t think so. Supposedly, the “Bush Tax Cuts” caused the problems, but that is just not the case. When the tax cuts were passed in 2003, revenues were at 1.8 trillion dollars. By 2005 revenues increased to 2.15 trillion. By 2007 it was up to 2.47 trillion.

We do not need government spending to get out of this mess. We need to SLOW government spending and live within our means. We need a balanced budget amendment to FORCE government to live within its means. If we are going to INSURE deposits in banks, then we need STRICTER rules for banks on qualifications and conditions for loaning money. We need PEOPLE to make decisions about their own money. We need to be ELIMINATING government programs, NOT creating new ones.

By Mr. Snarky

February 10, 2009 10:09 AM | Link to this

Of course Crist supports the stimulus. His state is in deep doodoo and he knows a good thing when he sees it. Plus he has a brain.

By Mrs. Godzilla

February 10, 2009 10:12 AM | Link to this

Have y’all heard about this?

By aaahhh

February 10, 2009 10:14 AM | Link to this

Did AJC/DNC Management and Communist AJC get der poor wittle feewings hurt?

By Mrs. Godzilla

February 10, 2009 10:20 AM | Link to this

Joe The Plumber meet Chuck The Economist

By Taxpayer

February 10, 2009 10:23 AM | Link to this

chuck,

regarding our nation’s “income less expenses” and the resulting deficit and national debt, please feel free to refer to the facts whenever you need. Here’s some of it for your viewing pleasure. If you have some facts that you would like to share with me, then please provide a link.

By Mrs. Godzilla

February 10, 2009 10:38 AM | Link to this

From Bob Herbert

“There is always a tendency to underestimate Barack Obama. We are inclined in the news media to hyperventilate over every political or policy setback, no matter how silly or insignificant, while Mr. Obama has shown again and again that he takes a longer view. […]

The simple truth is that most Republican politicians would like Mr. Obama to fail because that is their ticket to a quick return to power. I think the president is a more formidable opponent than they realize. “

BINGO

By getalife

February 10, 2009 10:49 AM | Link to this

He framed the debate for the mid term elections in 2010.

If the economy is getting better, the dems win and he gets a second term.

Of course, the gop are trapped to vote no on everything and hope it does not get better.

Reading these comments from our friends on the right reminds me of the blogs like kos comments with severe BDS in w’s second term after he destroyed our country.

Except now, it is extreme ODS with a brand new President trying to clean up w’s mess.

By BooHooBabyBarack

February 10, 2009 10:50 AM | Link to this

Obama’s Lies & Historical Ignorance from HOT AIR.com:

WRONG! — Republicans in both the House and Senate have offered at least two alternative stimulus packages. None of them demanded that Obama “do nothing”. In fact, it was the Congressional Budget Office and not Republicans that suggested that doing nothing might have a better effect than the Obama/Pelosi/Reid stimulus bill.

WRONG! — Obama tried a couple of times to lay the deficit off on the Republicans, but more than half of that deficit came from the bailouts of last year, which the Democrats pushed through Congress. Republicans balked at the massive TARP program, which Obama criticized in his press conference last night. The Bush administration didn’t partner with Republican leadership to get that passed; they had to get the Democrats to pass it, and Democrats have controlled Congress for the last two years.

FACT! — Japan acted too swiftly and two boldly, running up massive deficits on infrastructure work that never stimulated the economy:

Japan’s rural areas have been paved over and filled in with roads, dams and other big infrastructure projects, the legacy of trillions of dollars spent to lift the economy from a severe downturn caused by the bursting of a real estate bubble in the late 1980s. During those nearly two decades, Japan accumulated the largest public debt in the developed world — totaling 180 percent of its $5.5 trillion economy — while failing to generate a convincing recovery. …

In the end, say economists, it was not public works but an expensive cleanup of the debt-ridden banking system, combined with growing exports to China and the United States, that brought a close to Japan’s Lost Decade. This has led many to conclude that spending did little more than sink Japan deeply into debt, leaving an enormous tax burden for future generations.

By AJC/DNC Management

February 10, 2009 10:51 AM | Link to this

democrats- Whine about Conservatives and cheat on their taxes:

{{{{WASHINGTON (AP) - Prosecutors asked a federal judge Monday to send former Washington mayor Marion Barry to jail for failing to file his tax returns for the eighth time in nine years.}}}}

ew

By jewcowboy

February 10, 2009 10:55 AM | Link to this

This is no real surprise. Senators and Governors have a much broader electorate to satisfy, while Representatives have much smaller, usually cohesive electorates they must answer to. In addition, Representatives have shorter terms, so they have to answer to their districts more often.

Unfortunately, Representatives have to take a short term view if they wish to get re-elected.

By Sam

February 10, 2009 11:01 AM | Link to this

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&refer=columnist_mccaughey&sid=aLzfDxfbwhzs

Please read the above

Ahh! Finally, some answers. Buried within the deep minutia of this ridiculus “stimulus” bill: the GENESIS of government-rationed, socialized medicine.

Reap what you sew folks. It’s coming.

By Andy the Welcher

February 10, 2009 11:02 AM | Link to this

“I can understand your reluctance to accept that Republicans can fix things,”

I’ll accept it when I see it, what exactly did Republicans fix over the last 8 years?

Oh yeah, they “fixed” the evidence of WMD’s. And they “fixed” any science related to global warming and abstinence only programs. But what else? Did they “fix” Social Security? That was one of thier campaign promises in 1999, and 2003, did it get “fixed”?

Ok, let’s be fair here, what exactly did the Republicans “fix” in the 6 years they owned the White House and the Congress, (that the Democrats subsequently unfixed in less than 2 years).

Looks to me that they Welched on thier promises to fix anything. I’m glad “the adults” are no longer in charge, because we can’t take much more of thier kind of “fixing”.

ew

By RealityKing

February 10, 2009 11:09 AM | Link to this

Yesterday the press watched the government for the good of America. Today the press has joined forces with the government to dictate what is right for progressive America.

By Taxpayer

February 10, 2009 11:12 AM | Link to this

Boo Hoo Hoo. The Republicans lost and now they are the minority party. We the people have spoken and that’s the only fact some cry babies need to bear in mind. We don’t want to hear your version of “truth” because, well, it’s a lie. Besides, cry babies can’t handle the truth. Right Jack — Nicholson, that is.

By caz1158

February 10, 2009 11:12 AM | Link to this

If Gov Crist believes this is in the best interests of the citizens of Florida,then I applaud him. If its in the best interests of Gov Crist politicaly wise than i totally disagree with him.Republican or Democrat, lets do whats best for America. Me, I don’t approve of the plan. Especially one hatched in haste. And one filled with non-essential junk!!!!

By fed up

February 10, 2009 11:13 AM | Link to this

Right on post at 10:50 p.m. This thing will pass and we are going to be worse off for it.

By AJC/DNC Management

February 10, 2009 11:15 AM | Link to this

{{{{Tapping new credit cards to pay off old ones isn’t that different from tapping future taxpayers to pay off today’s government bills.}}}}

And all the liberals say “my mommy did it so I can do it too.”

hopeandchange.duh

ew

By Midori

February 10, 2009 11:17 AM | Link to this

Republicans haven’t been right on a d*mn thing the past 8 years.

Why should ANY rational thinking person start listening to them now?

What a bunch of losers.

You all need to take your gloom and doom and stuff it.

By Bosch

February 10, 2009 11:18 AM | Link to this

Off topic, but feel good story of the day alert:

Koala rescued from Australia’s wildfire wasteland

By Midori

February 10, 2009 11:21 AM | Link to this

and my comments are especially directed to the moron who posted that idiotic crap from Hot Air.

By Mrs. Godzilla

February 10, 2009 11:25 AM | Link to this

Oh BOO HOO

There’s a reason it’s called Hot Air

By AmVet

February 10, 2009 11:26 AM | Link to this

The bottom line on this stimulus package is that no one, not even the experts, know if it will work, or even if it is the right cure for the disease.

There is much consensus though, that the people who brought you George W. Bush are the absolute worst people on the planet to give counsel.

You neo-cons had year after year after year to head this debacle off at the pass, and what did you do? Threw gasoline on the building fire and created more debacles. One would think a botched invasion/occupation would be enough for the scumbags.

And that pitiful larda$$ Dickhead Cheney still blubbers, “No one saw this coming.”

Not just content to go down in history as the biggest POS to ever occupy his office, the man is an extremely stupid and inveterate POS.

In other words, If you voted for BushCo even once, no one gives a tinkers damn what you think about these issues anymore.

Sorry, don’t shoot the messenger…

By Taxpayer

February 10, 2009 11:28 AM | Link to this

Mrs. G,

I had not seen that interview. I wonder if the fed knows who actually withdrew all that money. I know he described it as an electronic run on the bank, but was it a large number of individuals pulling out small amounts or was it big amounts being pulled out by hedge funds, etc., or some mix. Was it all panic or was a lot of it going to cover bad bets. I have not seen anything that really confirms precisely what happened and I would think that we need to know.

Do you have any more links on the subject.

By RW-(the original)

February 10, 2009 11:29 AM | Link to this

Paul,

There is no serious push for the do nothing strategy that PresBO keeps alluding to as the Republican alternative. He only wants the cult members to believe that and, as you can see from Taxpayer’s comments, it’s working.

By the way, if he can complain about Republican opposition being the partisan business as usual that “the American people” want to be done with, how is it he gets away with none stop bashing of the last eight years?

Not to mention that it’s getting a little tiring hearing him whine (sorry Jay B, but the word actually fits here) about how he inherited this situation as if it wasn’t something he’s been campaigning on for the last two years, all the while saying he was The One that could fix everything if we would only elect him. Oh and that little detail that he was actually a Senator that whole time and could have picked a day or two a month to do the job we were paying him to do.

Now I hear Geithner saying the same thing this morning about this is much more serious than anyone on the outside could have known. It sure didn’t stop them form saying everything was being done wrong without having the ability to know those details.

By caz1158

February 10, 2009 11:32 AM | Link to this

Andy-I see the Dems did a fine job fixxing Welfare!!!A fantastic Government project that has cleaned up our cities,got people good housing, and provided jobs(not hourly work),for people in need. So if you want to go T** for Tat,both sides can play.

By Mrs. Godzilla

February 10, 2009 11:40 AM | Link to this

Taxpayer

Looked quite a bit today….

One right wing blog said it was all George Soros (that should raise some pointy ears around here) and there is some stuff at the Great Orange Satan’s site here and here.

We’ll have to follow it for a few days….

Curious indeed.

By RW-(the original)

February 10, 2009 11:44 AM | Link to this

I see that AF1 has just touched down in Ft. Myers, Florida to try to scare the bejeezus out of the locals.

There really should be no need to sell this package since all the fake polls say we’re behind and Congress is slam full of Democrats, but a true leader would go somewhere that wasn’t doing poorly and sell it to those people explaining why it was right for Elkhart and Ft. Myers.

Of course since it’s just a massive government expansion Trojan horse it’s much easier to go where things are bad and gather a few hundred human shields.

By caz1158

February 10, 2009 11:48 AM | Link to this

Midori-Gloom & Doom? You must have been asleep when the Great One spoke last night. Talk about scare tactic’s, If we don’t allow to the Gov to spend us into the next millenium,something catrascopic will happen. I guess thats just sugar coating it,eh? Dems love to scare the public,how else to get the un-intelligent and mis-guided sheep to follow!!! Which are You Midori??

By fed up

February 10, 2009 11:54 AM | Link to this

Sorry to burst your bubble midori but the doom and gloom is also coming from Obama. The bottom line here is we need what will fix the problem, the spending in this bill is not going to fix the problem. But the dems on this blog completely believe everything that those in charge in Washington now say just like the repubs did over the last 8 years. Not everything the dems say is wrong just like not everything the repubs say is wrong. There must be some middle ground. One of the greatest differences between what is going on now and the great depression is that everyone pulled together in the great depression that will not happen now the country is too polarized. It’s a shame.

By Soothsayer

February 10, 2009 11:55 AM | Link to this

This chart compares the job loss so far in this recession to job losses in the 1990-1991 recession and the 2001 recession – showing how dramatic and unprecedented the job loss over the last 13 months has been. Over the last 13 months, our economy has lost a total of 3.6 million jobs – and continuing job losses in the next few months are predicted.

Anyone who thinks we are not in deep dog poop needs to look at this chart.

By caz1158

February 10, 2009 11:55 AM | Link to this

Well said RW!!!!

By caz1158

February 10, 2009 12:03 PM | Link to this

Dems-The problem is not going to be fixed overnight,why the Haste? How about take the time to create a package both sides can live with? How about involving both sides,slamming a package down every ones throats is not productive. I thought the GREAT ONE was going to bridge the gaps between the parties-not a good start!

By AmVet

February 10, 2009 12:04 PM | Link to this

VATICAN CITY — The Vatican says an upcoming conference on evolution will include discussion of intelligent design, but only as a cultural phenomenon - not as a scientific or theological issue.

What a hoot.

Is it even possible that the papists view these science-free ID loons, like real musicians view the curiosities on the talent-free American Idol? Tripe for the easily led?

Nah. But it is bemusing.

Soothsayer, the list of neo-con inabilities to recognize reality is staggering.

But ask yourself this, when was the last time you heard one of the delusional BushCo apologists agree that corporations have WAY too much power in this country? Or that they have replaced the sovereign people as the represented? Or that these crooks and swindlers created this clusterf&ck, that all of us and our progeny will pay for?

Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

By caz1158

February 10, 2009 12:07 PM | Link to this

I never knew the best way to get out of dept was to spend like a drunken sailor. I need to contact VISA and explain that to them!

By Patriot Act

February 10, 2009 12:08 PM | Link to this

Okay, I’m making a formal cyber-citizen’s arrest of RW for his use of terror words on a blog, and making threats against the president of the united states.

Read his 11:44. This is a time of war. You cant say bomb at an airport. You cant say “human shield” on a public forum during time of war. especially a war on terror in which “Human Shield” can have but one meaning: that the president would in the fashion of a radical muslim terrorist use americans as a human shield when RW and his ilk might JFK his A’ss

I’m sure nobody meant nuthin when they said “bomb” at an airport in the past six years, RW.

A writer’s conscience tells him when he’s crossed the line, RW.

Words have power, and you may not abuse them. Surrender yourself to the nearest police station and tell them what you did. You’re under arrest you sunnofabeech. (a few good men).

By CommunistAJC

February 10, 2009 12:10 PM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla, you wrote: The simple truth is that most Republican politicians would like Mr. Obama to fail because that is their ticket to a quick return to power. I think the president is a more formidable opponent than they realize. “

Pot meet kettle! Um, in case you have not been around the last 8 years your democrat party has wished NOTHING but failure on Bush. All Republicans have to do is to sit back and watch the circus unfold. And it will unfold.

By DB, Gwinnettian

February 10, 2009 12:12 PM | Link to this

Back for a bite.

Sooth @ 11.55, yep, that scary-as-hell chart’s making the rounds. It will be interesting to hear the counter-spin.

RW, @ 11.44, did you complain when Bush went on the road to promote his SS carve-out plan in late ‘04/early ‘05? Remember, SS was in “crisis,” we needed to “fix” it? I’m pretty sure AF1 was involved.

Fedup @ 11.54, you say O”ne of the greatest differences between what is going on now and the great depression is that everyone pulled together in the great depression that will not happen now the country is too polarized.”

I suspect you’re viewing the past with rose colored glasses. From what I’ve read (and gleaned from those who were adults at the time) FDR faced plenty of opposition. Some actually plotted a military coup against him.

By CommunistAJC

February 10, 2009 12:19 PM | Link to this

“We will have to adapt it as conditions change. We will have to try things we’ve never tried before. We will make mistakes. We will go through periods in which things get worse and progress is uneven or interrupted. -Tim Geitner (treasury secretary who didn’t pay his taxes)

I feel so much better knowing that we have complete morons running the country.

CHAINS WE CAN BELIEVE IN!

By jon

February 10, 2009 12:28 PM | Link to this

When the slop hits the trough, all the piggies come to feed.

By Red

February 10, 2009 12:31 PM | Link to this

Once again Obama demonstrates his political adroitness. By garnering support from state level republicans (who really need this money), he’s driving a wedge right through the heart of the ‘new permanent majority’ and leaving congressional repubs alone in the bull pen thinking they’re still on third base. GOBAMA!

By fed up

February 10, 2009 12:32 PM | Link to this

dbgwinnetian no I’m going on what my grandparents have told me about the depression. If you can honestly say that Americans are not more polarized now than they were in the depression, then sir you are the one with the rose colored glasses.

By Mrs. Godzilla

February 10, 2009 12:33 PM | Link to this

Commie

Got accuracy?

I posted what Bob Herbert wrote. And I agree with him.

And I strongly disagree with your assumption that anybody wanted Bush to fail.

He did, however, fail miserably. We pointed it out.

But to suggest we wished for it is a mean spirited, inaccurate, LIE.

I double dog dare you to find ANYBODY ANYWHERE who said “We hope Bush fails”.

By caz1158

February 10, 2009 12:33 PM | Link to this

AmVet-sorry to bust your bubble,it was’nt just the Big Bad Corps that got us into this mess.How about Goverment oversight(repubs/dems),and of course We the people. All shared in this fiasco! But as always Dems have to find a way to put Bush as the one and only culprit. What are you going to do now that he’s gone? That tired old argument wont hold water much longer if it ever did!!!!!!

By Reality

February 10, 2009 12:40 PM | Link to this

Regarding PRESBO, his administration, and his stimulus plan, according to the following theory we are all (US citizens) are on the receiving end of the “winner’s curse”???

IN ECONOMIC theory the winner’s curse refers to the idea that someone who places the winning bid in an auction may have paid too much.

By fearless fosdik

February 10, 2009 12:46 PM | Link to this

By CommunistAJC

February 10, 2009 10:04 AM

Commie as your hero would say …There you go again”.

You quote one Betsy McCaughey writing pablum such as “Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan”

Ms McCaughey is an extreme right wing nut who also criticized the health care reform package proposed by Bill Clinton in 1994. This criticism was seized by conservative commentators seeking to discredit the Clinton plan, much of McCaughey’s article later proved inaccurate; particularly, her claims that “the law will prevent you from going outside the system to buy basic health coverage.

In other words COMMIE she is FOS!

By caz1158

February 10, 2009 12:51 PM | Link to this

Reality-are there any rebates attached to this plan? or disclosures for refunds if we paid to much,like so many retailers offer? Did’nt think so,I guess we just take it in the shorts again. I feel so much better now.Knowing what Obama meant by change,change is we are now further in debt. Is it to late for a recount? I guarrantee the vote would be much closer.

By Greg Mendel

February 10, 2009 12:53 PM | Link to this

Wingnut logic:

When George Bush & the Neocons hysterically conjured images of mushroom clouds from Iraqi nuclear weapons the administration knew for certain did not exist — that wasn’t scare tactics.

When President Obama explains the urgency of responding to a huge financial crisis that no one (except Phil Gramm) denies exists — he’s using scare tactics.

The jobless in Indiana and Florida were scared before Obama was elected. Regardless of any reservations, most Americans hope and pray Obama’s stimulus plan works. Their greatest fear is that the Republicans will afflict it with the same fiscal responsibility they used for the past eight years.

By Fred

February 10, 2009 12:53 PM | Link to this

Some on this post are just plain ridiculous…Amvet, Midori to name a few. All Obama wants is this stimulus package to be rammed down the taxpayers throat. Just today, as many of you have already posted, news comes out about very real and important health care proposals are somehow wrapped into this stimulus bill. Who put them in, why didn’t those that are voting on this package even know about them. When are we (dems, repubs, and every other tax paying citizen of the united stated gonna wake up and realize that we have nothing but a bunch of idiots running the country….not just now with Obama, Pelosi, and Reid, but same when W was president and the repubs ran the house and senate. It doesn’t matter who is in power…they are only in power for themselves, not the American people. Why the rush to spend over a trillion dollars? Because those that want it do not want the plan to be vetted and the american people realize that we are being taken. What ever happened to Obama saying that he would take a scalpel to the budget, line by line to cut out waste? What has changed that much where now he wants to add billions and billions to the deficit without so much a thought…. Come on people..wake up.

By Mrs. Godzilla

February 10, 2009 12:54 PM | Link to this

“I guarrantee the vote would be much closer.”

Best look at todays Pew poll.

By Peadawg

February 10, 2009 12:55 PM | Link to this

I see the Democratic Hypocracy Party is still complaining about bipartisanship when nobody wanted to work w/ Bush the past 8 yrs. Get over it. Ya’ll didn’t want to work w/ Bush. We don’t want to work w/ a socialist.

By Hillbilly Deluxe

February 10, 2009 12:55 PM | Link to this

To DB@ 12:12 You are indeed correct that FDR faced alot of oppposition. My grandparents on one side of the family loved him and the other side hated him. Both were subsistance farmers so it wasn’t a class thing. My Grandpa who didn’t like him cussed him because of farm allotments. Georgia was a solid Democrat state then so he didn’t need the votes. Therefore the allotments went to East TN and other Republican leaning areas in an attempt to get votes. My Grandpa had been growing 5 bales of cotton a year and by his allotment he could only produce one. His allotments were similar for wheat, rye, corn, etc. He had to try to pick up work where he could to feed his family because he could no longer make a living as a farmer. As an old time mountaineer he didn’t believe in accepting Gov’t assistance. Throughout his life he would say, “No bad how things got I was never on relief (welfare of the day). Going on the FDR programs at that time was referred to as “going on the pumpkin”. He refused to do this while some of his neighbors didn’t. He said after some were on it several months he heard them say “I’m going to get off that damn pumpkin just as soon as I can”.

This is just a little historical overview. During any period there are always at least two sides but that gets obscured by time and history.

By Fred

February 10, 2009 12:58 PM | Link to this

Some on this post are just plain ridiculous…Amvet, Midori to name a few. All Obama wants is this stimulus package to be rammed down the taxpayers throat. Just today, as many of you have already posted, news comes out about very real and important health care proposals are somehow wrapped into this stimulus bill. Who put them in, why didn’t those that are voting on this package even know about them. When are we (dems, repubs, and every other tax paying citizen of the united stated gonna wake up and realize that we have nothing but a bunch of idiots running the country….not just now with Obama, Pelosi, and Reid, but same when W was president and the repubs ran the house and senate. It doesn’t matter who is in power…they are only in power for themselves, not the American people. Why the rush to spend over a trillion dollars? Because those that want it do not want the plan to be vetted and the american people realize that we are being taken. What ever happened to Obama saying that he would take a scalpel to the budget, line by line to cut out waste? What has changed that much where now he wants to add billions and billions to the deficit without so much a thought…. Come on people..wake up.

By AmVet

February 10, 2009 12:59 PM | Link to this

caz1158, no need to worry about bubble busting. It takes something akin to a sharp point for such activities.

You did not disappoint. No where in that “retort” is there any mention of the highly culpable previous administration. Which, along with its rubber stamp toadies in Congress, Democrat and Republican, has MUCH blame to shoulder, if you’re interested in learning about it.

How about the Hero of the Texas ANG gutting the SEC’s corporate oversight and policing agency in 2001, after he promised to crack down on Wall St. corruption during his orignal campaign? Trust me, there are NUMEROUS other equally unforgivable derelictions of duty.

As you are ostensibly new here, you’ve not read how I’ve detailed eight different levels of corruption in both the private sector and in government.

Nor how I’ve indicted numerous previous administrations, including Phil Gramm’s/Bill Clinton’s moronic Glass-Steale Act fiasco of 1999.

Nor how I’ve shown what the specific actions and causes were for this corporate destruction of capitalism.

But hey, I understand. For you BushCo apologists, it’s always easier not to know what you don’t want to know…

By mm

February 10, 2009 12:59 PM | Link to this

We still have wingnuts claiming that the GOP has been locked out of creating a stimulus plan that will work.

Well, the only plan the GOP has is to cut taxes. Well, everyone that isn’t a wingnut knows cutting taxes is not the answer. When you wingnuts come up with an actual plan, maybe somone will actually listen.

Commie, you have it all wrong. We didn’t hope Bush would fail. We hoped he would do something right. However, he just kept doing the wrong things.

Until you knuckleheads come up with a new strategy for governing, you will be doomed to watching the game from the penalty box.

By Fred

February 10, 2009 1:01 PM | Link to this

Some on this post are just plain ridiculous…Amvet, Midori to name a few. All Obama wants is this stimulus package to be rammed down the taxpayers throat. Just today, as many of you have already posted, news comes out about very real and important health care proposals are somehow wrapped into this stimulus bill. Who put them in, why didn’t those that are voting on this package even know about them. When are we (dems, repubs, and every other tax paying citizen of the united stated gonna wake up and realize that we have nothing but a bunch of idiots running the country….not just now with Obama, Pelosi, and Reid, but same when W was president and the repubs ran the house and senate. It doesn’t matter who is in power…they are only in power for themselves, not the American people. Why the rush to spend over a trillion dollars? Because those that want it do not want the plan to be vetted and the american people realize that we are being taken. What ever happened to Obama saying that he would take a scalpel to the budget, line by line to cut out waste? What has changed that much where now he wants to add billions and billions to the deficit without so much a thought…. Come on people..wake up.

By Fred

February 10, 2009 1:02 PM | Link to this

Some on this post are just plain ridiculous…Amvet, Midori to name a few. All Obama wants is this stimulus package to be rammed down the taxpayers throat. Just today, as many of you have already posted, news comes out about very real and important health care proposals are somehow wrapped into this stimulus bill. Who put them in, why didn’t those that are voting on this package even know about them. When are we (dems, repubs, and every other tax paying citizen of the united stated gonna wake up and realize that we have nothing but a bunch of idiots running the country….not just now with Obama, Pelosi, and Reid, but same when W was president and the repubs ran the house and senate. It doesn’t matter who is in power…they are only in power for themselves, not the American people. Why the rush to spend over a trillion dollars? Because those that want it do not want the plan to be vetted and the american people realize that we are being taken. What ever happened to Obama saying that he would take a scalpel to the budget, line by line to cut out waste? What has changed that much where now he wants to add billions and billions to the deficit without so much a thought…. Come on people..wake up.

By caz1158

February 10, 2009 1:04 PM | Link to this

Great Blog Fred!!!! Ms Bloatzilla-people are now waking up and seeing The Almight One for what he is.I know one thing for sure,he has’nt seen one camera,thats on or mirror that he did/nt love. Many of us now wish for the days of two other blowhard loosers (gore/kerry)

By CommunistAJC

February 10, 2009 1:04 PM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla, you need to see a doctor. Seriously.

Here you go!

God bless him, bless his heart, president of the United States — a total failure, losing all credibility with the American people on the economy, on the war, on energy, you name the subject. - Nancy Pelosi

Here is an article written in 2001

Democrats begin waiting for George W. Bush to fail

By E.J. Dionne Jr.

WASHINGTON, D.C. - Democrats are beginning to feel a certain gratitude toward the incoming Bush administration.

With his controversial appointments at the Labor, Justice and Interior departments, George W. Bush has done what Democrats themselves could never have accomplished on their own. The new president has energized core Democratic constituencies that were seething about the way the 2000 election was decided, but had no immediate way of organizing their discontent.

http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20010109&slug=dion09

Another:

Friday, August 11, 2006 51% of Democrats Succumb to BDS Posted by: Dean Barnett at 9:50 AM

Fox asked, “Regardless of how you voted in the presidential election, would you say you want President Bush to succeed or not?” 51% of Democrats answered “No” to that question. 40% answered yes, and 9%, who are still apparently trying to determine just how deranged they are by their Bush hatred, answered “I don’t know.”

Should I post more, Mrs. G?

By Shawny

February 10, 2009 1:04 PM | Link to this

It would be interesting to query the amount of combined pork flowing to Florida. Might say something about the Gov’s intentions.

Don’t think for one minute that 3 RINOs and this gov makes this bipartisan. It is mostly waste, and everyone knows it.

By RW-(the original)

February 10, 2009 1:04 PM | Link to this

Polly,

You could have changed the spelling of the last word in that 12:08 to somebeetch and then the movie reference would have been Smokey and the Bandit.

By DB, Gwinnettian

February 10, 2009 1:04 PM | Link to this

Thanks for the story, H. Deluxe. You’re always an entertaining read, and more level-headed than most—myself included.

By Greg Mendel

February 10, 2009 1:04 PM | Link to this

“I feel so much better knowing that we have complete morons running the country.” — CommunistAJC

You were picked for a cabinet post?

By CommunistAJC

February 10, 2009 1:06 PM | Link to this

fearless fosdik, Are you referring to Hillary Care? Uh yeah it failed because it was STUPID!

You wrote: Ms McCaughey is an extreme right wing nut who also criticized the health care reform package proposed by Bill Clinton in 1994. This criticism was seized by conservative commentators seeking to discredit the Clinton plan, much of McCaughey’s article later proved inaccurate; particularly, her claims that “the law will prevent you from going outside the system to buy basic health coverage.

Well guess what, fosnodick! She was absolutely right and it damaged Hillary. It damaged the democrat party and they lost complete control.

By Fred

February 10, 2009 1:07 PM | Link to this

Some on this post are just plain ridiculous…Amvet, Midori to name a few. All Obama wants is this stimulus package to be rammed down the taxpayers throat. Just today, as many of you have already posted, news comes out about very real and important health care proposals are somehow wrapped into this stimulus bill. Who put them in, why didn’t those that are voting on this package even know about them. When are we (dems, repubs, and every other tax paying citizen of the united stated gonna wake up and realize that we have nothing but a bunch of idiots running the country….not just now with Obama, Pelosi, and Reid, but same when W was president and the repubs ran the house and senate. It doesn’t matter who is in power…they are only in power for themselves, not the American people. Why the rush to spend over a trillion dollars? Because those that want it do not want the plan to be vetted and the american people realize that we are being taken. What ever happened to Obama saying that he would take a scalpel to the budget, line by line to cut out waste? What has changed that much where now he wants to add billions and billions to the deficit without so much a thought…. Come on people..wake up.

By Taxpayer

February 10, 2009 1:11 PM | Link to this

RW,

Feel free to offer up something more valuable than HotAir anytime, dude, if you think your brain is capable of the effort.

By CommunistAJC

February 10, 2009 1:12 PM | Link to this

Greg Mendel, no I wasn’t picked for a cabinet post. Why, because I actually pay my taxes. Pres Hussein only wants tax evaders on his cabinet. Maybe you should apply.

By Fred

February 10, 2009 1:12 PM | Link to this

Some on this post are just plain ridiculous…Amvet, Midori to name a few. All Obama wants is this stimulus package to be rammed down the taxpayers throat. Just today, as many of you have already posted, news comes out about very real and important health care proposals are somehow wrapped into this stimulus bill. Who put them in, why didn’t those that are voting on this package even know about them. When are we (dems, repubs, and every other tax paying citizen of the united stated gonna wake up and realize that we have nothing but a bunch of idiots running the country….not just now with Obama, Pelosi, and Reid, but same when W was president and the repubs ran the house and senate. It doesn’t matter who is in power…they are only in power for themselves, not the American people. Why the rush to spend over a trillion dollars? Because those that want it do not want the plan to be vetted and the american people realize that we are being taken. What ever happened to Obama saying that he would take a scalpel to the budget, line by line to cut out waste? What has changed that much where now he wants to add billions and billions to the deficit without so much a thought…. Come on people..wake up.

By Fred

February 10, 2009 1:12 PM | Link to this

Some on this post are just plain ridiculous…Amvet, Midori to name a few. All Obama wants is this stimulus package to be rammed down the taxpayers throat. Just today, as many of you have already posted, news comes out about very real and important health care proposals are somehow wrapped into this stimulus bill. Who put them in, why didn’t those that are voting on this package even know about them. When are we (dems, repubs, and every other tax paying citizen of the united stated gonna wake up and realize that we have nothing but a bunch of idiots running the country….not just now with Obama, Pelosi, and Reid, but same when W was president and the repubs ran the house and senate. It doesn’t matter who is in power…they are only in power for themselves, not the American people. Why the rush to spend over a trillion dollars? Because those that want it do not want the plan to be vetted and the american people realize that we are being taken. What ever happened to Obama saying that he would take a scalpel to the budget, line by line to cut out waste? What has changed that much where now he wants to add billions and billions to the deficit without so much a thought…. Come on people..wake up.

By Fred

February 10, 2009 1:12 PM | Link to this

Some on this post are just plain ridiculous…Amvet, Midori to name a few. All Obama wants is this stimulus package to be rammed down the taxpayers throat. Just today, as many of you have already posted, news comes out about very real and important health care proposals are somehow wrapped into this stimulus bill. Who put them in, why didn’t those that are voting on this package even know about them. When are we (dems, repubs, and every other tax paying citizen of the united stated gonna wake up and realize that we have nothing but a bunch of idiots running the country….not just now with Obama, Pelosi, and Reid, but same when W was president and the repubs ran the house and senate. It doesn’t matter who is in power…they are only in power for themselves, not the American people. Why the rush to spend over a trillion dollars? Because those that want it do not want the plan to be vetted and the american people realize that we are being taken. What ever happened to Obama saying that he would take a scalpel to the budget, line by line to cut out waste? What has changed that much where now he wants to add billions and billions to the deficit without so much a thought…. Come on people..wake up.

By Mrs. Godzilla

February 10, 2009 1:13 PM | Link to this

OH NO!! HEALTHCARE!!

Dangerous

Scarey

Keeping people healthy is sooooo bad for the nation.

Last thing we need is a strong healthy workforce!

Hell, if they all get sick and die we won’t even need the jobs bill!

So…everybody stop washing your hands, let’s spread some germs…..

cough, cough

By caz1158

February 10, 2009 1:14 PM | Link to this

AmVet-Its always enjoyable to read high overblown thoughts of greatness of oneself. Tell me was the mirror near when you writing your response. Cause I was overly impressed, not!!!!I bet even you get bored listening to yourself. I still find the KISS system works the best. All I said was that there is enough blame(big/small) to go arround.

By RW-(the original)

February 10, 2009 1:14 PM | Link to this

ragger @ 12:12,

I did because I believe the Reagan model of using the bully pulpit to talk over the press when necessary is a better option, but there are some very significant differences, not the least of which is that Bush never mastered the teleprompter.

Other differences with this jaunt around the country is that Obama has a compliant press that is perfectly willing to deliver his pap without question. He has the fake polls on his side, but maybe he knows they’re fake and he has huge majorities in Congress ready and willing to pass any spending bill he wants.

By Fred

February 10, 2009 1:18 PM | Link to this

Some on this post are just plain ridiculous…Amvet, Midori to name a few. All Obama wants is this stimulus package to be rammed down the taxpayers throat. Just today, as many of you have already posted, news comes out about very real and important health care proposals are somehow wrapped into this stimulus bill. Who put them in, why didn’t those that are voting on this package even know about them. When are we (dems, repubs, and every other tax paying citizen of the united stated gonna wake up and realize that we have nothing but a bunch of idiots running the country….not just now with Obama, Pelosi, and Reid, but same when W was president and the repubs ran the house and senate. It doesn’t matter who is in power…they are only in power for themselves, not the American people. Why the rush to spend over a trillion dollars? Because those that want it do not want the plan to be vetted and the american people realize that we are being taken. What ever happened to Obama saying that he would take a scalpel to the budget, line by line to cut out waste? What has changed that much where now he wants to add billions and billions to the deficit without so much a thought…. Come on people..wake up.

By CommunistAJC

February 10, 2009 1:18 PM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla, do you work in the health care industry?

By AmVet

February 10, 2009 1:20 PM | Link to this

Duh, Fred,

I’ve never once said I supported this package. And I don’t.

I was adamantly against Bush’s and Suxtobeus’s socialist bailout last fall.

And I voted against Obama.

But don’t let a few facts get in your way, just plain ridiculous one.

And thanks for playing…

By ksjfg

February 10, 2009 1:21 PM | Link to this

MATBE IT IS TIME FOR FLORIDA TO GET A STATE INCOME TAX TO HELP IT’S SHORTFALL

By Mrs. Godzilla

February 10, 2009 1:22 PM | Link to this

COMMIE

did you find that quote where somebody somewhere said they hoped Bush would fail?

By Fred

February 10, 2009 1:23 PM | Link to this

Some on this post are just plain ridiculous…Amvet, Midori to name a few. All Obama wants is this stimulus package to be rammed down the taxpayers throat. Just today, as many of you have already posted, news comes out about very real and important health care proposals are somehow wrapped into this stimulus bill. Who put them in, why didn’t those that are voting on this package even know about them. When are we (dems, repubs, and every other tax paying citizen of the united stated gonna wake up and realize that we have nothing but a bunch of idiots running the country….not just now with Obama, Pelosi, and Reid, but same when W was president and the repubs ran the house and senate. It doesn’t matter who is in power…they are only in power for themselves, not the American people. Why the rush to spend over a trillion dollars? Because those that want it do not want the plan to be vetted and the american people realize that we are being taken. What ever happened to Obama saying that he would take a scalpel to the budget, line by line to cut out waste? What has changed that much where now he wants to add billions and billions to the deficit without so much a thought…. Come on people..wake up.

By fearless fosdik

February 10, 2009 1:24 PM | Link to this

By CommunistAJC

February 10, 2009 1:06 PM

Unlike you Commie I don’t have all day to blog so for your edification I’ll make this retort short and succinct.

Well, Commie how was she right? Her claims that “the law will prevent you from going outside the system to buy basic health coverage you think is better,” and that “doctor[s] can be paid only by the plan, not by you” were flatly contradicted by the text of the legislation.[2] (Section 1003 of the Health Security Act provided that “[n]othing in this Act shall be construed as prohibiting the following: (1) An individual from purchasing any health care services.”)[3]

Doesn’t sound to me as though she was right.

By HAL5000

February 10, 2009 1:37 PM | Link to this

cazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. What. Huh. 11:58 Really!

By Mrs. Godzilla

February 10, 2009 1:42 PM | Link to this

But AmVet Fred said it so many times….it must be true!

reminds me of something…..

Oh I know:

“See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda.” —George W. Bush, Greece, N.Y., May 24, 2005

By CommunistAJC

February 10, 2009 1:42 PM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla, here are a couple more.

Democrat Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, driven by polls and politics, declared “This war is lost,” even before the President’s new strategy began. Reid also has bragged, “We’re going to pick up Senate seats as a result of this war.”

And Democrat House Majority Whip James Clyburn said that a positive report in September from General Petraeus and Ambassador to Iraq Ryan Crocker would be “a real big problem for us (Democrats).” Meaning the Democrats’ desire for an arbitrary troop withdrawal — and their party’s 2008 electoral fortunes — would be in jeopardy if our troops succeed.

Is that good enough for you? Probably not since you want me to physically bring you a democrat and have them say it to your face.

By chuck

February 10, 2009 1:44 PM | Link to this

Taxpayer, when you provide a link FROM an EXPERT and not some partisan democrat working in his basement, I will be glad to do so. You quote this guy often BECAUSE HE AGREES WITH YOU NOT BECAUSE IT HAS ANY BASIS IN FACT.

The figures that I quoted you are EASILY found by googling “U.S. Tax Revenues by year”. Your post did NOTHING to refute what I said. My point was that the TAX CUTS led to an INCREASE in revenues. This is UNDENIABLY TRUE. In other words, it was NOT the tax cuts that led to the deficit, it was OUT OF CONTROL SPENDING. President Bush by LAW could not spend one dime of taxpayer money. ONLY CONGRESS can spend tax money. AND THEY DID.

By Peadawg

February 10, 2009 1:45 PM | Link to this

I see the Democratic Hypocracy Party is still complaining about bipartisanship when nobody wanted to work w/ Bush the past 8 yrs. Get over it. Ya’ll didn’t want to work w/ Bush. We don’t want to work w/ a socialist.

By Mrs. Godzilla

February 10, 2009 1:52 PM | Link to this

no commie not even close to good enough.

i just want you to learn to be accurate.

i want you to learn that words have meanings.

keep looking, you will not be able to find anybody anywhere who said they hoped Bush would fail.

maybe tomorrow, you will think harder before you post another untruth.

come on commie google madly, wildly

or andy the welcher could change his name to commie the inaccurate!

By Mrs. Godzilla

February 10, 2009 1:53 PM | Link to this

oh and chuck

taxpayer is right you are wrong.

the debunkification has been posted here at least once a month for years.

By williebkind

February 10, 2009 1:57 PM | Link to this

NOW! The stimulus package goes back to PRIME MISTRESS PELOSI. This should finalize all bi-partisanship. We know she will not add any pork, socialist programs, or shut out any different ideas. PELOSI! PELOSI!PELOSI! PELOSI!PELOSI! PELOSI!PELOSI! PELOSI!

By Paul

February 10, 2009 2:04 PM | Link to this

Bosch 9:21

My impression is many Republicans would hold their nose and vote for the package – if what they see as pork were stripped and it was closer to Pres Obama’s original target of $675-$775 billion. I must say I’m a bit disappointed in Pres Obama’s style (either that, or the way it’s interpreted) of “this is a fresh and new Democratic approach, never before seen and it’s the Republicans who fall back on the same, old, tired ideas.” RW-(the original) addressed that thought (tactic?) at 11:29.

Taxpayer 9:38

I think there are Republicans and Democrats who happily say “No” to whatever the opposition says. It’s sadly amusing when months later someone from their own party says the same thing and then it’s “Yes!!!”

I hear all this stuff about Republicans and tax breaks, yet when I point out their proposals for income tax reductions for the bottom tier of taxpayers or a suspension of Social Security tax, I generally get resounding silence.

Pres Obama wanted the package to consist of 40 percent tax cuts, remember?

Mrs. Godzilla 12:33

[[I strongly disagree with your assumption that anybody wanted Bush to fail.]]

Is the inverse true? Did many on “your side” of the spectrum want Bush to succeed?

By Paul

February 10, 2009 2:07 PM | Link to this

williebkind

[[MISTRESS PELOSI]]

??!!!????

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

That’s a fate too terrible to contemplate….

By RCH

February 10, 2009 2:08 PM | Link to this

Gov Crist is a political w*******! We are in our last days as a Republic. France is on the way, Tell me one place socialism has worked.

By fed up

February 10, 2009 2:11 PM | Link to this

Isn’t MsG sly….look at her post at 1:22 ignoring the 1:04 post with the references for dems wanting Bush to fail.

Oh and DB Gwinnetian no other “nit picks” on my post except for the “rose colored glasses” comment…..you are part of the problem, not the solution. Polarized America, like I said, it’s a shame.

By Mrs. Godzilla

February 10, 2009 2:12 PM | Link to this

Paul

Yes, I think so.

I didn’t vote for him, I didn’t agree with much he had to say, but yes, I wanted him to succeed.

If he had we would have been much better off.

The nation would have been better off.

And that to me is what counts.

By Paul

February 10, 2009 2:16 PM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla

Thank you.

And that should be the standard for the ‘loyal opposition.’

By fed up

February 10, 2009 2:23 PM | Link to this

All you have to do is look at the posts on this blog, the right side sees nothing that the left does as right and vice versa. Polarized America, go with the party not with what is right. America as we have known it will be lost to our grandchildren and generations thereafter.

By Mrs. Godzilla

February 10, 2009 2:31 PM | Link to this

commie

i’ll be damned you got one right!

I really did miss the post to the FOX push poll.

I apologize

By CommunistAJC

February 10, 2009 2:31 PM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla, then you truly are dumb. I gave you several quotes, one in particular, from Nancy Pelosi who said Bush is a failure. I guess we all can’t be as ignorant and naive as you are.

By CommunistAJC

February 10, 2009 2:33 PM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla, actually, I got all of them right.

By Mrs. Godzilla

February 10, 2009 2:37 PM | Link to this

COMMIE

I just tried to make nice and you call me dumb.

I may just take back my apology.

Pelosi calling Bush a failure, which it turns out is true, is not wishing for him to fail. Again you confuse words and their meanings.

No commie 52 million folks were more ignorant and naive than I.

I won’t really take back the apology, you deserve it and I am a pretty nice 200 ton old lib!

By taxpayer

February 10, 2009 2:39 PM | Link to this

chuck,

I gave you a link that contains facts. In return, you continue to offer up your trite tripe. You bore me, young wannabe. Learn, and you shall be taught. You can start by showing a little respect. With that in mind, I shall not respond to you again until you ask in a manner that meets my satisfaction. Of course, you are free to change handles and try to establish contact with me in that manner but you will still need to change your ways in order for that approach to have any potential lasting effect. Now, go ahead and sling more mud, child, or ignore me or post under a different handle or whatever you feel you need to do.

Paul,

Forty percent sounds right. So, where are all those naysayers. You know the ones. The Republican minority. They can have forty percent of the booty for forty percent of the vote. Go for it. By the way, I think people like Isakson are just outright insincere to go forth with his proposal and get it included only to turn around and tell us that he will not vote for the package. I have no respect whatsoever for someone that would do that and my vote will reflect that. He’s just one more Republican that can kiss my a$$. The worthless pandering scum.

By fed up

February 10, 2009 2:44 PM | Link to this

I can’t believe it….msg actually apologized. I had really began to think that she was nothing but a ……well I won’t say. Now if we could just get some bipartisan conversatons around her instead of the bad bush, good bush, bad obama, good obama cr(* that usually goes on. Dream on, right?

By Mrs. Godzilla

February 10, 2009 2:50 PM | Link to this

fed up thinks!!!

alert the media

By CommunistAJC

February 10, 2009 2:53 PM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla, one, your apology came AFTER I posted my remarks about you nagging me about “not” being right. Two, I never asked for an apology. Only 52 million people? How many of them were ACORN “voters” who voted illegally, or how many illegal aliens voted? Felons, dead people? 52 million is 10 million less than Bush got in 04. Seven million less than Kerry. I guess Pres Hussein ain’t that popular after all.

By Midori

February 10, 2009 3:00 PM | Link to this

That’s why the GOP is destined to wander the political wilderness for some time - they are consumed with and by nuts, all they can talk about is nuts, and they don’t have any nuts of their own.

By Mrs. Godzilla

February 10, 2009 3:02 PM | Link to this

ok, Commie

no apology for you!

as you wish

By chuck

February 10, 2009 3:09 PM | Link to this

No offense taxpayer, but you are obviously impaired and incapable of rational discussion of the issue. I didn’t sling any mud, but perhaps you should check into the background of the people you hold out as experts. The person you linked to lists the following RELEVANT?!?! in his Profile:

Steve McGourty’s Education University of West Florida 1983 — 1985 NO DEGREE!?!?!~

This is his “experience”: Sr. Network Analyst Boeing (Public Company; Aviation & Aerospace industry)

September 1985 — Present (23 years 6 months)

The enterprise network traffic forecaster for The Boeing Company

Avation Electronics Tech 2nd Class US Navy (Government Agency; 10,001 or more employees; USN; Military industry)

April 1976 — September 1982 (6 years 6 months)

Fixed jammers and radios. Went to the Med once and WesPac twice.

I don’t see a degree in economics or even a degree in political science which would at least have some relevance. My “guess” about this guy sitting in his basement spouting off partisan bull was apparently SPOT ON.

In addition, if you look at his ACTUAL website, HE HAS A PAGE ENTITLED “BUSH BASHING”. Not even close to being either factual, unbiased OR RELIABLE.

Don’t EVER AGAIN accuse me of posting without backing it up with FACTS you lying, pompous windbag. You are completely full of crap and NOW EVERYBODY KNOWS IT. So BITE ME.

By Mrs. Godzilla

February 10, 2009 3:11 PM | Link to this

oh hell, commie

i have to apologize for my error in order to point out your error

i used 52Million thinking that’s how many votes McCain got, and i was wrong. McCain got 59,934,814. that’s how many ignorant and naive people there were. i don’t think many ACORN voters went McCains way.

(obama 69,456,897)

y’all are just so funny about ACORN.

By fed up

February 10, 2009 3:11 PM | Link to this

I’ll play your games msg you have no class. Who does your thinking, oh yeah anyone with a (D) behind their name. I think you’re back on whatever you were on last weekend. You might need to get some help with that problem.

By pat

February 10, 2009 3:30 PM | Link to this

Can some please explain how 4.1 Billion dollars to a criminal organization such as ACORN is going to stimulate the economy? What kind of idiots have you people elected? All this thing is, is a bunch of social programs…Which don’t do jack for the economy but is sure increases the size of government…”Shovel ready” projects indeed, our illegal friends will be tickled to death about the temporary work that will create so they can send even more then $300 billion out of our country. This is a joke, except it’s not funny.

By pat

February 10, 2009 3:37 PM | Link to this

If Nancy Pelosi truly cared about the U.S. she would kill herself so we would be rid of her stupidity.

By fed up

February 10, 2009 3:45 PM | Link to this

chuck there are a few on this blog, namely msg who says that people say “vile” things, in taxpayers case people are “slinging mud”, when in fact they are the ones doing it. It’s the way they roll.

By Frederick Douglass

February 10, 2009 3:45 PM | Link to this

So is there anything in the stimulus package for Michael Steele’s sister? The GOP’s vetting process apparently isn’t much better than Obama’s—-hmmmm.

By Mrs. Godzilla

February 10, 2009 3:50 PM | Link to this

fed up

no worries, dude.

being called classless, by a pop up on a blog is not the devasting blow you might think.

By Earl

February 10, 2009 3:53 PM | Link to this

IF Pelosi takes Pat’s advice and kills herself, I promise to take my wife out dancing and if there’s two things I hate is being with my wife and dancing. But, I will….I will, I promise.

By caz1158

February 10, 2009 3:59 PM | Link to this

Senate just passed “lets stick it to our grandchildrens children” bill. I guess,one thing is for sure. Prosperity will be much harder to achieve in the future.Thank God we have our Government to take care of us. Socialism is’nt all that bad,so i’ve been told by those stuck in it.Freedom will be one those lost arts. I can’t wait till we’re told how to think and act,wait that would be the democrat party sheep.

By Captain

February 10, 2009 4:03 PM | Link to this

So Jay Bookman, Democrats, etal, as soon as this Spending and Payment of Favors bill passes (and that’s what it is) do you think we can finally begin a few investigations? America wants to know, exactly what favors did Sen Chris Dodd receive on his Mortgage Loans with Countrywide? How was it Barney Frank was able to personally able to get his bank $12 million to bail them out? What about Charles Rangel’s various tax and legal issues? And when is the U S Senate and U S House going to call Franklin Raines back in for testimony on how he lied about the financial status of Fannie in order to get his “Golden Parachute” bonus of $90 million? I could care less about whether or not Roger Clemens used steroids and lied to Congress, I am much more interested in why Franklin Raines lied, there is silence from the Democrats about his false testimony, yet he walked out with $90 million. Where is the Democrat outrage?

By caz1158

February 10, 2009 4:07 PM | Link to this

Captain-As we all know outrage only flows one way with Dems.

By Mrs. Godzilla

February 10, 2009 4:11 PM | Link to this

Captain

I got no problem with your investigating….but get in line.

There are a few in line ahead of those.

Anybody find than 9Billion in cash lost in Iraq yet?

Take a number dude.

By caz1158

February 10, 2009 4:17 PM | Link to this

You know there have been enough dirty deeds on both sides of the isle. But for some reason the left/wrong side never feels compelled to admit for any misgivings. They truly believe they are more intelligent and enjoy trying to talk down to any & all who might engage them with said deeds. It must be nice to be perfect in every way.Thing is they are no different from anyone else,you just can’t tell them that. SAD

By fed up

February 10, 2009 4:27 PM | Link to this

you’re exactly right caz1158 especially that “dude” msg

By Mrs. Godzilla

February 10, 2009 4:35 PM | Link to this

fed up

you may be close to the truth, based on my age and your behavior I probably do have more testosterone than you.

BOO!

By caz1158

February 10, 2009 4:42 PM | Link to this

Fed up-I feel so much more intelligent when I read comments from MsGod & co. spew out. Ha Ha!! If it makes them feel better about themselves then so be it. Most people don’t have to talk down to others or berat them,but again Dems feel superior to others.They know whats best for all,and by god you best believe it!

By fed up

February 10, 2009 4:46 PM | Link to this

What did I tell you caz1158 and chuck

By Midori

February 10, 2009 4:48 PM | Link to this

Caz,

from what I see and read, and where I sit, it’s not very hard for people like me to feel “superior” to the likes of you.

Enjoy your stay in the wilderness.

Lord knows you deserve it.

By caz1158

February 10, 2009 4:50 PM | Link to this

MsGod-curious do you feel,the almighty one’s first couple of weeks in office are things to come? Or is he learning on the fly? I have’nt read or seen where anyone other than the blind sheep that believe He’s had much sucess. Your Thoughts

By caz1158

February 10, 2009 4:57 PM | Link to this

Midori-I’m sure glad you woke up. Have’nt heard from you in awhile. Or were you in line for more Goverment assistance. The chosen one is a perfect fit for you!!

By caz1158

February 10, 2009 5:00 PM | Link to this

It’s 4:55pm, Wow It must have been 10 minutes since last “Chosen One” press conference.

By Hip Hopcracy

February 10, 2009 5:03 PM | Link to this

Still haven’t heard a word from the peanut gallery on the right as to how we’re supposed to pull ourselves out of this malaise before the bottom falls out. Tax cuts, tax cuts, tax cuts. But for whom?

How about this? Cut taxes 10-15% on REAL middle class Americans (making $40K—$90K annually); give small and mid-sized businesses healthy tax credits for hiring new employees; and LOAN states like Georgia enough money to fill the coffers again in order to ENSURE that basic services are not lost because of a budget deficit.

Remember, folks. Republicans are asking for hand-outs too. Millions of Republicans are asking for hand-outs. Millions of hypocrites, arguing principle on the one hand and begging for sustenance on the other.

By caz1158

February 10, 2009 5:03 PM | Link to this

Just as I thought,no responses. Must be time to leave government jobs or on one the many 15 min breaks they enjoy. No wonder they love the “chosen one”!!!

By fed up

February 10, 2009 5:07 PM | Link to this

caz1158 they are never wrong and everything they say is gospel and more importantly everything that dems say is gospel. They cannot have an intelligent conversation or debate, it’s always bush is wrong, bush is a liar, bush is bad, obama is great, obama is intelligent, obama is good. There is good and bad about both Bush and Obama but you can’t get them to admit it. Hopeless cause. Like I said earlier, it’s a shame.

By Paul

February 10, 2009 5:08 PM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla

Okay, it’s been about an hour and no one has said it.. so I will…

[[Anybody find than 9Billion in cash lost in Iraq yet?]]

Nine bill out of over a trillion? Well, the rejoinder (I know, it diverts and doesn’t answer by pointing out a bigger problem elsewhere), is, what about Ms Warren, head of the Congressional oversight committee on TARP, pointing out that

$78 BILLION in TARP funds are unaccounted for?

Well, we finally have a solid example wherein Pres Obama WAY outdoes Pres Bush!

By caz1158

February 10, 2009 5:08 PM | Link to this

Hip-believe it or not,I’m right there with you!! But I think tax breaks should be for all who pay taxes. That may be where we differ. We should’nt reward those who don’t at least particapate. As for small business tax breaks its a good start. Thanks for the contructive dialogue

By Pogo

February 10, 2009 5:09 PM | Link to this

OK. It’s official. The stimulus bill has passed the Senate thanks to 3 renegade Republicans. Wonder what Obama had to promise them to get them on board? It is now back on its way to the Socialist House for minor modifications (piling on of more pork) and sure passage. Obama can now get off of his degrading “Stimulus Bill Campaign Tour” (or, as its more commonly known as, “I will spend your money uh, whether we got it or not uh, and if we don’t uh, we’ll just print more” tour!). So I hope all of you demo-nits choke on this pork sandwich. Of course, judging by the frequency and times of day that most of the regulars on this blog blow off their pie holes they probably won’t be bothered too much by it because they probably don’t pay taxes anyway as they don’t have a job. The thing is, it is sad that a lot of hard working Americans that have done the right thing over the years and payed their bills and saved their money are going to be dragged down by this Socialist madness too. Of course, that is the way of the Democrat isn’t it? Get them strung out and dependent upon the government and let the government do their thinking for them and you can do anything you want with them. What a bunch of mindless self-centered sheep. Liberals indeed. Read Orwell’s 1984. It will tell you where you’re heading you idiots. He just missed it by about 25 years.

By caz1158

February 10, 2009 5:12 PM | Link to this

Hip-tax breaks for all who pay taxes,thats something I think all can live with. How about the fair tax?your thoughts.

By caz1158

February 10, 2009 5:17 PM | Link to this

Paul,lets see 9bil to liberate a contry of a tyrant that the whole world not just bush thought had wmd’s. As opposed to the trillion $$ debt just created for future generations. HMMMMMMMMMM Iraq is sounding alot better right about now!!!!!

By caz1158

February 10, 2009 5:33 PM | Link to this

Paul-honestly,lets not let a nice tax increase get in the way of common sense.

By GaLiberal

February 10, 2009 5:36 PM | Link to this

It’s simply amazing to me that all these Rethuglicon controlled states - who decry big government and social programs - have their hands out begging for the Federal government for come bail them out. These same states sent Rethuglicons back to Congress so they could stop the Democrats and their liberal socialist agenda. Now they WANT liberal socialist programs to bail out their state because they cut taxes instead of taking care of business like roads, education, police, and healthcare. They cut taxes in their states now they want taxpayers to provide a bailout. If it was up to me, I’d tell them to go take care of their own problems. What a bunch of hypocrites.

The Democrats run a big risk of giving the Rethuglicons a wedge issue in the mid-cycle elections. They have not done well in controlling their ambitions and that gave the Rethuglicons something to pick apart. Of course, the Rethuglicons are grandstanding to ensure this bill fails. President Obama called them to task in his speech last night, but did little else to get the Democratic leadership in line. No wonder the old saying about Democrats is true. On the subject of his speeches recently, President Obama did a overall lousy job. He instilled no confidence in his leadership and at times sound more like a game show host. Not a shining moment for someone who based their election on making change. He’s wasting a lot of “political capital” on these campaign trips and not getting a lot done. If this continues, the Rethuglicons will recapture several seats they lost. Not a pleasant thought.

When you vote Rethuglicon, you vote against your own best interests. And these Rethuglicon controlled states asking for bail out is living proof.

By caz1158

February 10, 2009 5:40 PM | Link to this

Goodnight all-I now feel far less intelligent thanks to my friends on the left. Consider it a job well done!!! Now where do I go to pick up my “follow the leader without question” sheep costume??? You Guy’s are great!!!!

By fed up

February 10, 2009 5:42 PM | Link to this

caz1158 my husband and I are big fans of the fair tax (I know you asked Hip about it). I don’t think it will ever pass as it takes too much power away from politicians. The opponents of course, scream about how it will never work. They have no other ideas though. Apparently the current tax system is too complicated for even the only guy who can fix the economy, Geithner. Seems to me that’s even more reason to go to the fair tax.
I think this so called stimulus package which I call the grow government bill has rebates, which Obama calls tax cuts. That’s not a tax cut and they didn’t do much for the economy last summer and then we have to claim as income at the end of the year. Are there real tax cuts in this grow government bill that you’re aware of?

By chuck

February 10, 2009 5:48 PM | Link to this

fed up,

taxdodger, quoted this guy to me last week and I looked at the link. At the bottom, he has an acknowledgement that thanks his wife for editing. As I said, just a guy in the basement spouting garbage. When I looked him up I discovered that he had absolutely NO background in economics, politics or anything else remotely connected with the things that he posted on his site and “taxingmypatience” was quoting him like he was a harvard economics professor.

I just felt the need to expose his “source” for what it was.

I’ve dealt with blowhards like taxpayer before on blogs. He’s pretty much a lightweight and easily refuted. Thanks for the headsup fedup

By Hip Hopcracy

February 10, 2009 5:52 PM | Link to this

caz

Forget tax breaks for everyone. The entire tax code needs to be incinerated. Institute the fair tax. Certainly couldn’t hurt us anymore than what we’re dealing with right now.

Think of the time we would save, not having to plan every business decision on which loophole would protect our decisions. Imagine not having to spend weeks upon weeks of valuable time keeping track of tax records. Imagine politicians being stripped bare of the “lower our taxes—raise our taxes” tug-of-war that they spend 95% of their time discussing. The pandering would END. And Washington would be left to those who wish to debate POLICY for the future, not REACTIONS to our past.

Yeah. Fair Tax. Just Do It.

By caz1158

February 10, 2009 5:52 PM | Link to this

Fed Up- Your exactly right. I have’nt seen any real tax cuts in this bill. I agree,even Bush’s rebate last summer was a joke.It was a nugget that did’nt achieve a thing. As for the “fair tax” again you are correct!! It would take away power from the ones who cannot manage it properly in the first place. A great idea though,taxed on what you spend not what you earn. To bad we’ll never see it untill some politician who has big enough GONADS steps up. Herman Cain would be a fantastic canidate/leader to step up and push for it.

By caz1158

February 10, 2009 6:02 PM | Link to this

Hip-Again I’m with ya!

By fed up

February 10, 2009 6:03 PM | Link to this

chuck you’re right about that website I checked it out as well. Heck I could call myself an economist with the credentials that guy has. I have to say though taxpayer sometimes does make some sense and isn’t quite as bias as msg.

caz1158 Cain tries to push it, at least he used to. I don’t hear him so much since he’s on later. The opponents to it usually judge it harshly before they’ve even researched it simply because it was Linder’s idea w/Boortz. Boortz is a blowhard but does have a lot of good points and ideas. Fair Tax being one of them.

Have a good evening all…..gotta cook supper.

By caz1158

February 10, 2009 6:09 PM | Link to this

Fed Up-you should be ashamed of yourself.Being able to afford dinner,while so many are without jobs and home. You conservatives have no shame!!!!

By zzzzz

February 10, 2009 6:30 PM | Link to this

That’s not what Fed Up did that should make her ashamed, moron. Fed up wrote the comment of the day, well, it woulda been the comment of the day if this were a special olympics team sport.

By fed up

February 10, 2009 8:06 PM | Link to this

zzzzz aka msg you’re a dolt. Usual childish pranks by those types.

By fed up

February 10, 2009 9:40 PM | Link to this

I know who you are zzzzz FABB4eyes. Just saw your brilliant post over on Badie’s blog. You’re even more of a dolt now that I read that. Don’t go away mad, just go away.