Jay Bookman

By Davo

February 7, 2009 4:06 PM | Link to this

I saw on CNN that the fine was $1000 and/or 1 year in jail.

We really need the federal govt to step in and make sure that the peanut processers are doing their jobs correctly. Oh…wait…FDA.

Nevermind.

By AJC/DNC Management

February 7, 2009 4:09 PM | Link to this

China does it all the time and baraKKK says we should be more like them.

But whatever, how many 23 week old infants survived their abortion attempt this week and were tossed in the trash to die?

A nation that does not care about the weakest among them and only cares about themselves, well, only cares about themselves.

You know, hopeandchange.

By getalife

February 7, 2009 4:52 PM | Link to this

Culture of no accountability is running wild in America.

By Clint

February 7, 2009 5:14 PM | Link to this

The Bush Administration gutted the FDA thinking that business people were moral enough to regualte themselves… Well it looks like greed won out and children died. These peopple are murderers and need to be treated as such. Hunt them down and throw them in jail for life.

By catlady

February 7, 2009 5:15 PM | Link to this

Put the PCA decision makers in a cell and feed them only peanut butter infused food. Let them guess if it is worth it.

These are the same kind of moral midgets that send 4,000 Americans to die to right a wrong done your father, with false “intelligence” thrown in to justify it.

These are the same moral midgets who just let an electrical contract out to the same group who miswired showers in Iraq, leading to American deaths.

These are the same moral midgets who gave away billions of dollars so that it could be dispersed to the management who made the decisions that ran the country into the ground.

Oh, THOSE moral midgets.

By Craig

February 7, 2009 5:15 PM | Link to this

The Peanut Corporation Managers need to have their nuts roasted for allowing such a stupid thing to occur and they should lose the priviledge of doing business in Georgia. Having said that, the last thing we need is more “federal oversight” from the vaunted FDA. What we need is a stronger Georgia Dept of Agriculture to take a more proactive approach with respect to inspecting Georgia food facilities and to make sure this problem and others like it don’t happen again. That’s what government should be doing for us. Come on guys! Put some common sense back into the process.

By catlady

February 7, 2009 5:23 PM | Link to this

Just some good ol’ boys, never meaning no harm…..

By AJC/DNC Management

February 7, 2009 5:29 PM | Link to this

The last demoKKKrat government we had went in and flamed 80 children in a botched federal witch hunt.

Who was watching them?

And you libs called them moral giants.

ew

By catlady

February 7, 2009 5:30 PM | Link to this

Hey, I didn’t name any names. You know who they are.

By RW-(the original)

February 7, 2009 5:39 PM | Link to this

{{{{{They ought to put the PCA decision-makers in the cell right next to that of Bernie Madoff.}}}}}

Making them stay in Blakely is at least a little worse punishment than moving them into a luxury Manhattan apartment.

By CommunistAJC

February 7, 2009 5:41 PM | Link to this

Bookman, pray to your messiah Obama to fix the problem.

By david wayne osedach, san diego/ U.S.A.

February 7, 2009 6:19 PM | Link to this

The same kind of people who thicken powdered milk with melamine.

In China: they get death.

By TW

February 7, 2009 6:25 PM | Link to this

(How do you NOT take the steps needed to correct such a serious problem?)

To do so would have made him a RINO, Jay, and we wouldn’t want that. Much easier just toeing the party line, letting the rest of the world go effitself.

Kind of like if you wanted to play war, but didn’t want to actually get shot at. The logical rightwing move would be to get someone else to take care of that part, while you remained secure in your cozy little life.

Hypothetically speaking, of course.

By Hillbilly Deluxe

February 7, 2009 6:32 PM | Link to this

This is why the market can’t police itself. You can’t ever count on humans to do the right thing.

By herbK

February 7, 2009 6:54 PM | Link to this

This, to me is a classic case of payola & free market in bed with politicians. Tommy Irvin deserves both an indictment and should be arrested and held without bond until trial over this issue. The heads/CEO of the company deserve the same. All parties, upon finding them guilty, which they already are, should serve life in the roughest prison without parole.

By DB, Gwinnettian

February 7, 2009 7:00 PM | Link to this

AAR’s Marc Maron has some thoughts on punishing this sort of crime.

Not that I agree, but I figured some here might.

By Bud Wiser

February 7, 2009 7:03 PM | Link to this

By Clint February 7, 2009 5:14 PM | Link to this “The Bush Administration gutted the FDA…”

Oh, really? Put out some proof instead of your liberal minded stupidity, or shut up.

By getalife February 7, 2009 4:52 PM | Link to this “Culture of no accountability is running wild in America.”

A truer statement was never made, and particularly when we see the Washington Wingnuts (pick a party) doing their political two-step trying to justify this spending package, continually obfuscating, never explaining. The only one who you know exactly where she is coming from is Nancy Pelosi, and that, my friends, is certainly not a plus for her, or for the Democrats; this “we won we won, we’ll tell YOU how its going to be spent now…” crap is raining on Obama’s alleged bi-partisan parade.

By getalife

February 7, 2009 8:09 PM | Link to this

Bud,

The bipartisan parade is the American people hating what our government and Wall Street has done.

It is something most American agree on. Your party decided to play politics in a time of crises because they have nothing to lose.

Real Americans thinking country first is the biggest lie ever made.

They will ignore the election and the mandate to try to fix it and be the party of no when our country is collapsing.

By fed up

February 7, 2009 8:23 PM | Link to this

Once again the politicians have failed….yet let’s let them take billions of our $$ to fix what wrong even though they are the ones that caused it. Absurd.

By AJC/DNC Management

February 7, 2009 8:26 PM | Link to this

al-Gitmo:

{{{{By getalife

February 7, 2009 12:09 PM | Link to this

Next up, more billions of socialism for the banks.

The hits keep coming on the American taxpayer.}}}}

One minute you’re a Repug, the next minute you whine like a liberal.

You got the duality of man concept down pat.

Unleash your inner Conservative and be through with al-Cybil.

By getalife

February 7, 2009 8:28 PM | Link to this

Three gop decided to try to work with a brand new President in a time of crisis with millions of Americans hurt by this economic 9/11.

Three.

By fed up

February 7, 2009 8:43 PM | Link to this

2 of those 3 repubs vote w/dems 9 out of 10 times anyway, no surprise there.

By getalife

February 7, 2009 9:00 PM | Link to this

Andy,

Independents hate both parties.

fed up,

They could be mavericks.

By Murph

February 7, 2009 9:04 PM | Link to this

AJC/DNC Management - unapologetic perpetual finger pointing cynicism

CommunistAJC - ridiculous, mindless, complete drivel

Bud Wiser - Aggressive, mean, rude and ugly “You shut up, no you shut up, no you…”

Useless, all of you..

By Midori

February 7, 2009 9:12 PM | Link to this

thank you, Murph.

By RW-(the original)

February 7, 2009 9:25 PM | Link to this

Midori,

How can you live with yourself up here cheerleading for “Murph” while your latest love interest, Chadly, is melting down in the dead thread?

By AJC/DNC Management

February 7, 2009 9:30 PM | Link to this

al-Cybil: It seems to me as though you are confused about your Multiple Personality Disorder, hahaha.

It has been a rough road, I understand, at first you loved a pear shaped middle aged hag/ battle wagon and now you are trapped in a love-hate relationship with a half black teleprompter reader/ community organizer.

All of this against your best interests but I’m sure it is so tantalizingly delicious after you consume enough pain killers.

You need some serious help, my man.

geez.

By Chad Harris

February 7, 2009 9:32 PM | Link to this

The original topic of this blog was on food safety not that it seems to make a difference.

Jay asked:

“How does somebody knowingly, repeatedly do that? How do you NOT take the steps needed to correct such a serious problem?”

Jay did you realize per federal law (USC and CFR) that the two departments who have bumbled and mismanaged food safety can’t issue so much as a press release without prior approval of the company of the product even when there is explicit lab evidence at multiple labs including CDC’s teams that there is tainted food that can result in serious illness?

The FDA can seize a product. It’s lawyers can go to a federal judge with an emergency electronic motion for authority to recall. It can also do what is done in many other venues, and is a stupid measure when either the lab tests are there or they aren’t. It can leak that it suspects taint without doing anything for a good while.

None of these usually happen. Again the recalls are basically left to the stores and the company.

You’ll recall the dog food/fish food problem in the spring of 2007 that was traced to melamine in China. That’s not the only scope of melamine problems. A number of pediatric gastroenterologists have been organized to go to China to treat infants and small children with severe life threatening gastroenteritis requiring ICU ‘round the clock care in some cases.

How long did it take for the dog food to get off the shelf? The recall was driven by the companies not the FDA or the Agriculture, and about 1500 dogs in China died in China (bred for fur) and several hundred dogs died in the US—one around the corner from me.

Blakely was nailed as the source on Jan. 9. A LIMITED RECALL was issued on Jan. 13—and it was escalated on Jan. 16 a week later. That’s a lot of finger lickick good peanut butter in 7 days nationally. But since the company was in the driver’s seat under existing law that of course needs to be rewritten and now will in the usual fashion with lobbyists all over the conference committee instead of a powerful bright FDA comissioner who thinks like Tony Fauci at NCI Infectious Disease making the decisions backed by law, the Blakely company didn’t recall all of its products made at the plant until January 28. That recall was issued 19 days later.

But here’s the kicker. PCA Blakely knew about the salmonella contamination from lab tests done in 2007. If I’m oriented X3 we’re sitting on 2/7/09, so we’re talking an absurd amount of time. That’s your current standard of food safety. Is it medically acceptable? Of course not. Is it dangerous? You betcha.

One of the Asst. VPs of Costco pulled crackers made by Kellog and Keebler off the shelves a week before the Peanut company made the first limited recall and before Kellog made a recall of its crackers and cookies.

Why? Because Costco had the sensitivity of corporate liability and they knew how bumbling and slow the FDA and Dept. of Agriculture dog and pony show are.

There has been a marriage of convenience between huge lumbering agencies called FDA and Dept. of Agriculture that share the responsibility and are considerably behind the times medically and scientifically and pushed around by company lobbyists through their ties with Congress.

One of the major problems is that there has been no sound science applied. If lab testing is to be accurate, and much of it in the area of food safety/contamination is for bacteria and viruses, then the results should be accurate and the reaction should be swift.

If someone gets a lab result back on YOU or someone close to you, you want it accurate, if necessary further tested, and you want swift measures taken if they are needed.

That hasn’t happened in the patchwork of responsibility from both agencies—and both agencies are not up to date or efficient and they are impacted heavily by the industry and its economic outlook.

Existing law right now in the US is ridiculous. In order for a product to be recalled, the wording of the recall statement has to be approved by the company manufacturing the product. This is per current CFR (Code of Fed. Regulations) and it’s backed by the US Code—and the creator of US Code is basically the lobbyists for the manufacturers and the agencies involved.

What’s going to happen? The current president has two kids in the 5th and 3rd grade and one of them like a lot of peanut butter. Obama doesn’t have an FDA comissioner yet but he will.

The FDA is going to get a much needed overhaul and I could cite a lot of cases of food contamination over the last few years that suggested it should have happened a long time ago but I could cite exponentially more problems with pharmaceuticals and medical devices like some stents and some valves, and materials used in some orthopedic replacements like hips.

I don’t know how successful this will be. I think the FDA has been way too timid and Congress has been manipulated by lobbists particularly in the last several years so they have defanged the FDA in these areas.

Another major problem is that responsibility for guaranteeing food safety is erratically and incompetently shared by the Dept. of Agriculture just taken over by former Iowa Governor Tom Vilsack and FDA. Vilsack is a big proponent of having one entity in charge of food safety and that would probably make a major difference. As usual lobbyists are a major factor, and they have all had connections at both places and don’t want to lose them.

DOJ will probably obtain convictions, and there will be a parade of civil suits against a number of parties including the plant called Peanut Corp. of America in Blakely, but the etiology of the bending of “the laws” lie in several agencies.

Peanut butter is an $800 million dollar business in the US, and NYT reported this morning sales were down 25% from all companies.

Right now about 575 cases of salmonella are reported and that list will grow. 1500 products have been recalled, and 3 (Cal., Idaho, Minn.)states have banned all peanut butter and a wide gamut of products from all companies in their schools. Many of these companies like Smuckers or Peter Pan haven’t had any salmonella taint reported in their products so there is peanut butter phobia, but you can hardly blame parents or people in general.

What the law has allowed during the Bush 8 years as far as tainted food and tainted dog food that causes a spectrum of disease that can make people moderately sick for a few days or at the other extreme dead, has roots in an erratic FDA and an erratic and totally polticized Department of Argiculture run by Bush lobbyists.

A woman named Ann Venneman was the Bush Secretary of Agriculture during his first 4 years. She resigned under a lot of fire. She was an attorney who lobbied for Cokie Roberts’ brother’s powerhouse Patton and Boggs.

The way docs know her is that she dragged and dragged when it came to tests and recalls of beef with mad cow disease aka BSE or Bovine Spongioform Encephlopathy. Humans can get the fatal disease called a “variant” of CJD a deterioration of the brain where holes develop in it, when they eat brain or spinal cord from an infected cow and the way they eat those is that contaminated beef products often have ground up mixtures in them.

By April 2008 vCJD had killed 164 people in the UK and 40 elsewhere.

In 2004, Veneman finally ordered testing of 220,000 cattle but 35 million cattle are slaughtered a year in the US.

Veneman’s former tenure at Patton Boggs consisted of lobbying for you guessd it, the beef industry. Cattle futures prices plumeted. Veneman selected Dale Moore as her Chief of Staff. Moore’s former job was Exec Diretor for legislative affairs at the National Cattleman’s Beef Association.

It sounds like a storyline out of Dallas and it might as well have been.

Inspector General Details Flaws in Mad Cow Testing

Note the maniacal outrage and orgasmic frenzy of the Blago Blago Blago commenting and blogging and wall to wall Blago on TV, but relatively minimal amounts of press or outrage at a far more serious leak in the food safety dike that has had several dangerous examples in the past few years—enough to fill several books—and it has.

By AJC/DNC Management

February 7, 2009 9:41 PM | Link to this

Paul: I am almost through with the first season of BSG, and while I will not be counting down the seconds until the next episode, I must say that this is damn good TV.

That’s the second good tip you’ve put me on, I could not be happier with the Moccamaster.

So what kind of liquor do you drink?

Back on BSG for a moment, do they ever stop with the word “frak,” it’s like really annoying.

And, more importantly, does Blondie ever reveal anything other than her bad attitude?

Here’s to hoping the next season is on HBO.

By mm

February 7, 2009 9:41 PM | Link to this

From KKK Management,

Post of the year so far:

“You need some serious help, my man.”

Wow.

By fed up

February 7, 2009 9:46 PM | Link to this

I can think of a few names….I won’t go there but mavericks isn’t even close.

By AJC/DNC Management

February 7, 2009 9:50 PM | Link to this

Did I rock your little world mmoron?

Glad I could help.

I’ve got better ones than that if you’d just give me the time.

By getalife

February 7, 2009 9:53 PM | Link to this

Andy,

Anybody that has paid attention to politics these last eight years needs all the help they can get their hands on.

Like this guy

By Chad Harris

February 7, 2009 10:02 PM | Link to this

@ RW the original who stated @ 12:01AM:

Dead comment threads become dead comment threads because most of the thugs here are so afraid that their mudslinging that has no tangential connection to the question Jay Bookman raised on a thread are afraid that when they post some epithet it might not get seen by a handful of people. They can’t yell at their wife or their kid who would ignore them or leave, so they are hot and bothered to jump to the next thread. That includes you.

“Over the years we’ve had a remarkable number of out and out nutjobs on this site that claim to be medical professionals of one sort or another which begs the question. Do nuts just love to portray themselves as doctors? Worse yet, are a large number of our doctors mental cases? Goodnight Chadly.”

Response to RW “the whatever”:

First I’d like to thank you for your insightful and knowledgable comment on food safety which was the point of Jay’s blog here. It is truly an honor to have someone like you, Dr. RW, with years of clinical medicine under your belt. I’m delighted that in Blakely, Georgia that it took about two years for the salmonella laced peanut butter and 150 or so related products to get off the market. As I said above the fault is in the legal structure for food safety and the inert reaction of FDA and Agriculture built by Bush and his lobbyist cronies, specifically the beef and cattle industry lobbyist Ann Veneman who is rather infamous in the infectious disease literature, but of course you taught me that years ago as my attending.

Do you ever discuss an issue for the issue’ssake? I didn’t think so. At what age did you start projecting your venom as to what you fantasize someone who disagrees with you does for a living when you don’t have a clue?

You’ve never done that in the real world and you’re not about to start.

The Bush adminsitration controlled the Department of Agriculture and FDA for 8 years in point of fact. There will be a revamp of the FDA, when the new people are in place, by this administration and it’s not lost on Tom Vilsack at Agriculture that Sasha Obama has been eating peanut butter at school lunch for 4 years.

I can answer your question, posed a minute after midnight this morning. Someone politically aware who knows the difference between honest debate (next to none here) and the constant “so and so is mentally deranged because he supports someone I don’t” happens to be a medical doctor. That seems to bug you. Get over it. Of course I wouldn’t know any medicine if it weren’t for you and your years of training.

I never allude to it unless:

a) someeone says something that’s simply medically not factual

b) some medical economic issue is discussed—like health care which is something you do get acquainted with after years of medicine (the current salmonella screwup qualifies) and I really didn’t allude to it when I answered Mr. Bookman’s question

c) some thuglican politician or Democrat has said something that doesn’t make medical economic sense.

BTW—- if in fact there were people pretending to be docs here

a) how would you know b) why would you even care

And it has to occur to you that someone who has practiced medicine for years and knows it well doesn’t give a flying fook what your opinion is. It doesn’t change reality.

Thugs are invariably rude 99.999% of the time to people who don’t agree with them.

Eg. @@’s stupid meanderings that because someone posts something she doesn’t like, or points out that the posturing in the Senate today by thugs was absurd. I’m not fond of any of the bailouts or the stim package, particularly those parts of it that have questionable results and will take several years to proove or disprove themselves, but what McCain and Lindsay Graham shoveled was beyond the pale and you have to try pretty hard to absolve Phil Graham, Greenspan and the Rethuglican controlled Congress for all the years up to 2006 of the blame for this economy.

By AJC/DNC Management

February 7, 2009 10:02 PM | Link to this

{{{{The compromise reached between a handful of GOP moderates, the White House and its Senate allies stripped $108 billion in spending from Obama’s plan, including cutbacks in projects that likely would give the economy a quick lift, like $40 billion in aid to state governments for education and other programs.-MyWay}}}}

The more desperate the demoKKKrats get, the more ridiculous they become.

Check it out, this is the first legislation in US History that has ever had earmarks taken OUT of it to get the opposition to compromise, but the pinko press still babbles on about how great those cut programs would have been.

{{{{After weeks of losing a public-relations fight with Republicans, Obama’s aides considered any forward movement of Obama’s legislation a victory toward fixing the economic crisis that has left 3.6 million Americans without jobs.

Sen. Jon Kyl of Arizona, the Republican’s No. 2 in the Senate, criticized Obama as misrepresenting Republicans’ concerns and accused the president of using “dangerous words” in describing the emergency.

“This is still a very big spending bill,” Kyl said on the Senate floor as an afternoon session got under way. “You can’t fix it by simply shaving a little bit off.”}}}}

And what about the Repugs finding their inner mojo, this is the big story buried in all the whining, finally, after all these years, Conservatism rises up from the ashes.

And for this, we owe you liberals……………….something.

By RW-(the original)

February 7, 2009 10:07 PM | Link to this

Geez Chadly,

That’s the third thread you’ve posted that on. Obsessed much?

By Midori

February 7, 2009 10:15 PM | Link to this

RW,

Count me as someone who is glad Chad posted that here, as this was the first I’ve read it.

And I might add, I thoroughly enjoyed it.

And I also want to add that I, for one, is “obsession free”.

Words.

A powerful tool when used properly.

By Midori

February 7, 2009 10:17 PM | Link to this

sorry, that should read “am” obsession free.

By RW-(the original)

February 7, 2009 10:21 PM | Link to this

Yes, words {{{{{{A powerful tool when used properly}}}}}} .BWAHAHAHAHA

By Chad Harris

February 7, 2009 10:43 PM | Link to this

RW—

The great thing about seeing your name on a comment is that we all know we are going to learn a ton about issues. You’re really obsessed with other commenters personally aren’t ya?

Do you have any specific ideas in the span of months that you have, are, will be commenting on?

@AJC “Management”

Actually Andy, what insures you’ll never see a Rethug controlled House, Senate or White House the rest of your days is that your base doesn’t get that they were rejected because of the failure of your ideas, not to mention the hate and racism, and the woman who does well to get through a grocery checkout line by herself, not because they weren’t right wing enough. And that’s the beauty of the Rethug perpetual kami kazi. Keep rolling that way. Keep thinking the right wing of your party is kicking butt. Only remember they aren’t doing it on the planet earth.

In fact, which has no nexus with your comments Andy, those particular earmarks when traced came directly from as many of the Rethuglicans in the House as it did from the Dems. And in point of fact historically that’s been the pattern in every President’s first economic bill through Raegan where the current depression began. There are lists all over the web of the earmarks and many of them came directly from your Rethuglicans and their lobbyists.

I hated every nanosecond of TARP, and I said so from the getgo and it was total posturing on both sides of the aisle and ridiculously slapped together considering the near trillion dollars. It was Paulson driven along with his handpicked staff all from Goldman Sachs including the one on loan from Harvard.

The way Congress works is the White House floats a bill>>>lobbyists contact the House members they own>>>earmarks get added>>>the Senate massages it in meetins that are closed to the public>>it goes back to the House>>then every major bill including this one, Geithner’s next lulapalooza being served up in a few days. You don’t have access to the Conference Committee that will hamer out this and every major bill. Welcome to “democracy by lobbyist.”

What bothers me most is that so much money is being thrown at dubious results that won’t be known for over 4-6 years or more if then, and every one in the House or Senate sees it through the prism of how it will help them stay in power and office in the next election.

Welcome to USA USA or the homeland (Ibsen 130 years ago then revived by Bush 7 years ago and used by literally no one on the planet but a few bureaucrats.

One thing is for sure. You had a model for my way or the highway when Bush was able to do it for most of his two terms with almost every bill he wanted but immigration and privitization.

This was with narrow margins in Congress. If Obama wants to get tough, and I imagine Emanuel is exercising that part of his third finger a lot this weekend that he still has from the accident, he has a lot more muscle and brain power both personally and surrounding him than Bush did to get it done.

I outlined on the last thread, but I doubt you and your thuglican friends saw it, or know it/realize it, how 3 bloggers who tore the Bush administration’s DOJ’s shredding of the constitution to pieces for years on their two blogs and in law reviews now are running the decision making apparatus of the government of the United States (find it on a map Andy) in a division of DOJ you probably haven’t heard of called OLC.

I’ll draw it for ya Andy.

Three bloggers hate Bush policy>>>instead of slinging mud they slung ideas>>>and these bloggers are now going to be making the crucial decisions about torture, State Secrets, what position for this government to take in major appeals that have to do with secrecy. That’s a pretty friggin’ metioric rise from bloggers to decision makers. In reading their blogs I didn’t notice a lot of KKK action.

They blogged on Slate on a great blog called “Convictions” that analyzed constitutional law. They blogged on Jack Balkin’s blog “Balkinization.

Balkin is Knight Professor of Con Law at Yale.

Now running OLC: Dawn Johnsen was Professor of Con Law at IU. Marty Lederman was Professor of Con Law at Georgetown. David Barron was the same at Harvard.

Office of Legal Counsel

They were bloggers up to a few weeks ago. Now they run the major legal and policy making body for the President of the US. I haven’t seen anyone with the exception of their collegue Johnathan Turley take the law breaking of Bush and Cheney apart more thorougly.

It’s going to be a lot of fun watching them dismantle and overhaul what Bush and Cheney and a lot of complicit Rethugs and Dems broke.

They hate the wiretapping. They hated the torture that got bad non-actionable information that Bushie/W acted on anyway just like the Josh Brolin character did.

By Midori

February 7, 2009 11:00 PM | Link to this

RW,

That’s all you’ve got, isn’t it?

Pitiful.

Just pitiful.

By RW-(the original)

February 7, 2009 11:02 PM | Link to this

Welcome to the live thread Chadly!

Goodnight Chadly!

By Chad Harris

February 7, 2009 11:14 PM | Link to this

Obama’s Impressive New OLC Chief

By GodHatesTrash

February 7, 2009 11:32 PM | Link to this

Why can’t you kkklowns down there keep poop out of your peanuts?

Criminal stoopidity.

By Chad Harris

February 7, 2009 11:50 PM | Link to this

The real question is when and if they don’t have peanuts without salmonella or meat that can put holes in your motor cortex, brain deterioration and 100% fatality by giving you vCJD and it’s sitting on the shelf at Publinx, Kroeger or some Farmer’s Market wtf it should take two years to let people know. Welcome to the USA FDA and Dept. of Agriculture. It doesn’t stop good ole boy Tommy Irvin’ from hostin’ those Wild Hog Dinners across from the Gold Dome.

Lightenin’ Tommy and Veternarian Sonny the Purdue sure got onto the Peanut butter fast. It only took ‘em two years!

I’m guessin’ that when Laura Bush had a squamous cell Ca excised from her leg in 12/06 it didn’t take two years from the time the lesion presented and it was excised at Georgetown.

I’m guessin’ that in 9/08 when Dubuya aka Junya had a benign lesion removed from his forehead that turned out to be a seborrheic keratosis but could have been a squamous Ca, that it didn’t take 2 years to remove it.

The food supply should be no different but it is—oh by the way Blakely Georgia is in the Homeland (Ibsen circa. 1982 and Bush circa 2001) and no one else with the exception of some vague German/Scandanavian authors a couple hundred years ago.

By Bud Wiser

February 8, 2009 7:18 AM | Link to this

Getalife, I am no Republican….not now, not ever have been, and with things flowing the way they are probably never will be. I vote based on the person, what they appear to stand for, their character, and how best I think they might put forward values similar to mine.

I am quite the independent. And I am appalled by the state of both political parties and the directions they are moving.

Republicans are clueless and have had no new or fresh ideas in decades. They appeared to be totally leaderless until the election of Micheal Steele as RNC chairman, so now I will just watch them from the sidelines until I see where he tries to take them. McCain is past his prime, and Palin (although hot), is not quite what we could call a brainiac.

Democrats have made huge gains in seats the last two elections, culminating in the White House as well. If I have no other reason, and I have plenty, to despise GW Bush, it is to have allowed this to happen by his staggering stupidity and the way he ran the last few years of his presidency. Since becoming ‘politically aware’, I have always felt it best for the country to have executive and legislative branches held by opposing parties, to sort of keep each other in check. Well, that’s gone for sure you betcha now. And it is scary to watch.

The Democrats are now acting like petulant five-year-olds, saying “nah nah we got it all and you can’t have any, nah nah nah”(Speaker Pelosi thought of here), and are trying to make up in one fell swoop all of the massive spending programs, pork and entitlements and all, that they feel they’ve been unjustly denied for years. They(she) do not have the country’s well being or economic survival in mind, only their own, and the hell with whoever objects or tries to reason with them(her). It’s THEIR(her) money and THEIR(her) programs, and this economic crisis is the greatest thing that has ever happened to them in their(her) history because now in their(her) tiny twisted minds, they(she) can USE this to their(her) advantage and spend, spend, spend into oblivion. The speed to which the politicians all refer to get this passed so quickly is needed because they are afraid that Americans will wake up and realize what they’re really doing with the money and what this is really all about, and may try to stop them. They already blew over half a trillion of our dollars in TARP, and don’t even know, or made accountable, where it went? What the hell kind of mental midgets would not even ACCOUNT FOR THE MONEY? Throw the House Republicans in that passed this s* and you’ve got one of the most, if not THE most, corrupt group of politicians we have ever been so collectively stupid to elect.

Well, enough for now. Just needed to vent a little.

Oh, and BTW:

Murph - idiot; shut up

Midori - cluless; stick to your TV re-runs

By AJC/DNC Management

February 8, 2009 7:30 AM | Link to this

{{{{In a major foreign-policy address Saturday to an international security conference in Munich, Germany, Biden told an audience of world leaders that the White House was willing to engage the government in Tehran if it heeded calls to end its nuclear-weapons program and changed its policies in the Middle East. But he warned Iran: “Continue down your current course and there will be pressure and isolation.” Biden also said the White House wanted a fresh start with the Kremlin. But he said the United States will pursue a missile defense shield with anchors in Poland and the Czech Republic, which Russia strongly opposes.-Urinal/Kult of baraKKK}}}}

Pressure and isolation, why, what is a raghead to do!!!

So basically what Hairplugs is saying, we are going to do exactly what Bushie was doing except we have no stones to back it up.

Nah, they probably won’t take advantage of that.

(Let’s see, meals ready to eat- check, water- check, iodine- check, 5.56MM Nato, 1000 rounds- check, Rem 44 Magnum, 250 rounds-check………..)

By Andy the Welcher

February 8, 2009 7:48 AM | Link to this

The big difference between Andy the f*** idiot’s analogy (feds flamed 80 kids) and the current situation is that those 80 kids were killed by the religious extremists who were breaking the law (undoubtedly conservatives), and the kids killed by tainted PB were killed by greedy conservatives.

Andy’s a Welcher

By AmVet

February 8, 2009 8:39 AM | Link to this

Bud, agreed.

One of the innumerable failings of this so-called conservative movement was that after 40 years as the minority party and once they gained control of the Congress back in 94, the Republican leadership acted like thugs just released from prison and were interested in one thing only, and it wasn’t good governance, it was revenge.

Under King George II it was perfected, of course.

And we’ve all see numerous signs that the Pelosi/Reid team have learned little if anything from that. They both, along with numerous other old Democrats, should do the nation a huge favor and retire.

Now.

Obama does appear trying to break the mold, a little at a time. But even he will likely fall prey to the power of his office and become heavy handed, intransigent and partisan.

But as long as the primary component of their constituency/”base” is comprised of the types we see here — emasculated, paranoid, hyper-prone to violence, completely out of touch with the modern world, ultra-angry, old, southern white guys and bible-thumping ID clowns — they are doomed. Plain and simple.

Re the 7:48.

Yeah I saw that and laughed. 80 kids? it was actually 21. And the would-be-messiah and misanthrope — Duhng’s hero, Koresh — or one of his “faithful” stooges, lights those fires, kills them all and its not his fault.

That’s what people really enjoy about his posts. That attention to detail he is so famous for…

By Bud Wiser

February 8, 2009 9:39 AM | Link to this

This continual cycle of “I’m in charge now and we’ll do things MY way” has to cease. This is what has become famous as politics as usual. Well, these are unusual times, and we do not need idiots and incompetents throwing away our grandchildren’s futures just to make political points.

We just threw out idiots and incompetents. Is this “change” just replacing them with a whole new set of idiots and incompetents?

By GodHatesTrash

February 8, 2009 10:12 AM | Link to this

Let’s face it - 21 children died at Waco, thrown into the fire by their baby-raping parents, 55 of whom died with them.

By Algonquin J. Calhoun

February 8, 2009 7:42 PM | Link to this

Cell next to Madoff? Hardly! This company knowingly shipped poison for humans to consume. Any deaths attributed to it should be considered murder and individuals responsible should be tried accordingly. The appropriate penalty is lethal injection for those found guilty!