Jay Bookman

By TN Gelding

February 1, 2009 6:29 AM | Link to this

Doesn’t anyone plan for a rainy day? Certainly it puts pressure on Republicans in Congress to be more cooperative. I’d guess the final bill will get about a third of their votes. The one passed by the House was not Obama’s, it was Pelosi and Obey’s. Hopefully the final bill coming out of the conference committee will be more palatable to everyone.

By ByteMe

February 1, 2009 7:01 AM | Link to this

You know, Jay, that just because you mentioned Palin in the article you’re going to be accused of being obsessed with her… by the very people who are obsessed with her.

Irony on a Sunday morning.

By Mrs.Godzilla

February 1, 2009 7:02 AM | Link to this

The Audacity of Nope

By Curious Observer

February 1, 2009 7:04 AM | Link to this

If I were a governor, regardless of my political persuasion, I would be in favor of the stimulus bill too. After all, if your state is in a budgetary hole and you’re faced with either cutting services or raising taxes, why look a gift horse in the mouth? Governors don’t have to pay the political price if the stimulus falls short of its stated goals. It’s an easy call.

By AJC/DNC Management

February 1, 2009 7:24 AM | Link to this

Alaskan Governors can vote in the US Senate now?

Wow, Oblahmi really did bring about change.

And for those of you too dim to see through the pinko media attempt to smear Palin (They wouldn’t do THAT now would they?) every governor in America is working with the White House on their state’s share of the stimulus package, what, did you expect them to say “no, we don’t want the money.”

It’s like their job, duh.

pitiful and unprofessional and a disservice to your readers, hallmarks of the Urinal.

By Joey

February 1, 2009 7:24 AM | Link to this

Jay;

I suggest that much, perhaps all, of the lobbying by States is to ask the Senate and House:

Please, if you vote for a “Stimulus Bill”, make sure the money for States goes directly to each State. Please, please, don’t tie the money up so that we have to go to President Obama or his staff and purchase this local money by giving up control of our State government.

By Joel

February 1, 2009 7:31 AM | Link to this

Still blogging about Palin? Why isn’t the media complaining about the lack of government help to the people freezing to death during the crisis in Kentucky? You certainly complained enough about W during Katrina.

By Rascal

February 1, 2009 7:37 AM | Link to this

Governors covering for their past mistakes and the states failures to control costs does not make it the right thing to do. State spending has been as out of control as federal spending and more of it will not fix the problem. The state treasuries were not drained by the financial crisis, they were drained by a failure of leadership by governors and legislatures. The economic crisis is a convenient excuse. Do your job, cut spending.

By Bud Wiser

February 1, 2009 7:45 AM | Link to this

This only proves that our entire political system is on the verge of a total collapse.

I find it statistically interesting for argumentative purposes only, that if one compares certain poll numbers, a correlation could be made, or inferred, about the result.

According to Fox News, a recent poll showed that approximately 54% of the American people (incredibly to me, I might add) support the stimulus package. They don’t know crap about what is in it, where it comes from, or where huge chunks of it are going, nor do they care; they only want their $600 check, or whatever, so they can fund their beer, cigarette, and lottery ticket habits. It’s “free”, and that’s all that counts.

Obama won the election with almost 53% of the vote.

People don’t know crap about who he really is, where he comes from, or what direction he intends to take this country, nor do they care; they only want their promised money to pay for their gas, or their car, or their mortgage, their $600 check, or whatever, so they can fund their beer, cigarette, and lottery ticket habits. It’s “free”, and that’s all that counts.

Statistically, one could say that the numbers back up the belief that there is no such thing as a coincidence.

By Joey

February 1, 2009 7:51 AM | Link to this

Jay; Haven’t had an opportunity to read since Friday Morning. I must comment:

The Michael Steele post speaks volumes about you. You have my sympahty. This is just so mean sprited that it is sad.

Regarding Obama’s latest nomination: If Democrats are so arrogant as to push this nomination forward; if they are so cowardly as to not object to another flagrant tax cheater, then I say let them have him.

As a Representative or Senator I would say:

Because of the majority that Democrats enjoy, concerned Republicans have no ability to block this appointment. Clearly there are serious problems with this and other nominees. This is a difficult situation for our country. It is regretable that Democrats chose not to stand up for the citizens of the US.

Republicans strongly oppose this unwise appointment and will not vote to confirm.

By AJC/DNC Management

February 1, 2009 8:04 AM | Link to this

Speaking of the “stimulus” package-

{{{{$887 billion stimulates talk, if nothing else-Urinal/kult of baraKKK}}}}

Nary a peep about the 4.19 Billion, yes, Billion, for ACORN “community stabilization.”

But-

{{{{Tax cuts, for starters: $500 per worker, $1,000 per couple, for two years. They will come in the form of less withholding from your paycheck —- about $12 to $20 per check.-Urinal}}}}

20 dollars a week, hhhooooooooooweeeeeeeeeeeee!!

Roll out the barrel, the barrel, the barrel roll out.

Roll out the barrel….

hopeandchange.duh

By Disgusted

February 1, 2009 8:07 AM | Link to this

Criticize the stimulus bill all you want, but you can’t argue against the fact that the Obama administration is at least trying to do something to turn the economy around—as opposed to shrugging the shoulders and commenting that the economy is in an inevitable down cycle that’s a necessary part of the free enterprise system.

We know that the tax cut method doesn’t work. If it did, the economy would be booming right now. The Bush administration took a meat-ax to taxes, particularly to those previously imposed on high-income people, with the result that we wrote off $100 in tax cuts for the sake of taking in $16 in additional tax revenue. There was no real growth in economic output after discounting for inflation. There’s no reason to believe that anything will be different if the tax cuts in the stimulus bill are targeted to the wealthy crowd.

What I dislike about the stimulus bill is the concessions the Democrats made to the tax-cut crowd. We’re wasting almost $300 million of a $775 opportunity to create jobs. We know what will happen to those tax cuts. Businesses will squirrel them away without creating any additional jobs, while customers will use them to pay off credit cards or add to savings accounts. Hardly any additional jobs will be created by virtue of the tax cuts.

If we’re going to keep the tax cuts in the bill, they shouldn’t appear as one-time checks. They need to take the form of direct reductions of tax withholding from paychecks, so that consumers will spend them almost immediately to spur economic growth. I don’t give a hoot if consumers choose to spend the benefits on “beer, cigarette, and lottery ticket habits.” Regrettably, we’re going into more debt anyway, so we might as well get the most bang for the buck. A one-time check or cuts in business taxes merely encourages consumers and businesses to put the money away.

By @@

February 1, 2009 8:44 AM | Link to this

When my daughter was small she used to call doughnut holes “No nos”. As she got a little older, she wanted to know why I called them doughnut “holes”. I showed her a doughnut and pointed to the void.

Visual learning……it’s a good thing.

Senators should pass some doughnut “holes” out to the governors.

By DB, Gwinnettian

February 1, 2009 9:06 AM | Link to this

“But why do I think that later, she’s going to come out and claim she had really been against it all the time?”

Because she hasn’t suffered any serious consequences from her fawning fanbase for lying in the past.

By DB, Gwinnettian

February 1, 2009 9:14 AM | Link to this

“People don’t know crap about who he really is”

…and yet these people post to this comments thread with names like “Bud Wiser” and “AJC/DNC Management” and the always hilarious “Communist AJC” about the President anyway.

Hey Bud, this Tuesday it’ll be two weeks since the Obamas moved in to the White House. How’s your tasteful prediction about their DC neighborhood turning out?

By Taxpayer

February 1, 2009 9:22 AM | Link to this

DB,

The more extreme components of the Republican faith, including those that you mentioned, have been subjected to a little “shock and awe” regarding the new direction that 54% of their party has decided to head off in. Statistically speaking, the other “half” (using Republican math), are now confronted with the dilemma of either falling in line behind their new leader, Steele, or falling in line behind their President, Obama, or seceding and forming a society that’s more to their liking. Decisions, decisions.

By DB, Gwinnettian

February 1, 2009 9:24 AM | Link to this

“or seceding and forming a society that’s more to their liking”

Baffin Island is lovely this time of year. Perhaps they should consider emigrating.

By Taxpayer

February 1, 2009 9:32 AM | Link to this

DB,

Or, perhaps Bikini Island. I hear the place can be a real blast. Republicans love that sort of thing.

By DB, Gwinnettian

February 1, 2009 9:33 AM | Link to this

Say, you all did hear about Joe the Plumber’s employer’s financial difficulties, yes? Fun stuff if you haven’t.

Would it be rude to point out that after nearly five years, not only is Air America still on the air and providing great broadcast and online content, but that it’s generated

a) one honest-to-God cable TV news star and

b) (almost assuredly, now) a US Senator?

Remember when everyone said AAR would never amount to anything? And how wingnuts posted classy pages like this one to chortle about how it would never amount to anything? Good times.

Later, all.

By DB, Gwinnettian

February 1, 2009 9:36 AM | Link to this

Just saw taxpayer’s post @ 9.32—before I go, need to leave ya with this.

By AJC/DNC Management

February 1, 2009 9:40 AM | Link to this

The only people that baraKKK has been “bending over” lately is Code Pinko.

How you like your new “surge” into Afghanistan, war mongers?

By the way, where’s bin Laden?

huh, huh?

By BDAtlanta

February 1, 2009 9:53 AM | Link to this

Hey conservatives, how about a nice warm mug of STFU?

The majority in this country aren’t Rush worshiping, Hannit-ized numskulls like yourselves.

Watch and learn as liberals and progressives show you how to properly govern a 21st century country.

Prepare thee to be schooled again and again… or just go away. You lost by a landslide….muahahahahahah.

By RW-(the original)

February 1, 2009 9:58 AM | Link to this

ragger,

Have you thrown any cripples down a long flight of stairs, just to enjoy the screams, this morning?

Jay B.,

When the feds are discussing giving out “free money” to states then any governor that doesn’t stick their hand out is going to be run out of town on a rail. Sad but true.

People even get rich writing books about getting “free money” from the government although you have to dress pretty funny to promote the books.

By GodHatesTrash

February 1, 2009 10:00 AM | Link to this

Now now, RightWingnuts… hush your purty little mouth.

Daddy’s not done with you yet.

By BDAtlanta

February 1, 2009 10:09 AM | Link to this

Hey, I know where Bin Laden is. He’s at W’s Super Bowl party in Dallas.

By Bud Wiser

February 1, 2009 10:23 AM | Link to this

I haven’t been to DC to check out the neighborhood, DB, but at my local grocery store, several of the gals working the register had these Starter-type jackets on while they were working, with the big presidential seal on it, and Obama’s smilin’ grin in the middle.

I can only assume they bought them from hawkers in front of the White House selling that garbage, along with the tee shirts, and coin collections, all with Obama’s face on it. They are probably still there.

Of course you remain as ignorant as ever about anything of substance, such as my previous post, so you change the subject to your White House neighborhood thing. How ignorant. How so very liberal.

By BDAtlanta

February 1, 2009 10:30 AM | Link to this

Bud wears his heart on his sleeve.

Obama’s win just totally chaps yer arse, doesn’t it? Muhahahaha.

Don’t worry, Bud. I’m sure it’s tough for you on weekends when Rush isn’t on to tell you what to think and say. He’ll be back on the airwaves tomorrow.

Maybe you could tape his shows so you can listen to him 24 hours a day? Would that lessen the pain and confusion?

By AJC/DNC Management

February 1, 2009 10:32 AM | Link to this

Week 2, let’s recap-

• baby baraKKK took an obscure, “washed up” Conservative radio talk show host and made him leader of the Republican party.

• not satisfied with having turned the entire pinko media into drooling pod people marching in lockstep with his every beck and call, al-Oblahma whined that Senator Wush Wimbaugh didn’t wike him, boo hoo hoo.

• Oblahmasan mounted the floor on his knees before the shot out, disarrayed and wandering nomads formerly known as the Republican party, who immediately seized upon this idiotic gesture to unite into a formidable opposition party for the first time in 8 years, bwa. Amongst their recharged ranks are now 11 democrats who apparently did not want to be associated with such candy a* acts of futility.

• Tom Daschle upheld the treasured, long time demoKKKrat tradition of not paying your own personal income taxes even while you casually throw Other People’s tax money out the window by the Trillions (ew.)

• al-Oblahma ventured back to thee blessed homeland of Iranistan, and again mounted the floor kneeling before the scattered, wash up, totally blowed away 3 remaining members of cut throat al Qaeda, mau maued the United States, the greatest, most giving nation in the history of the world, as “mean.” The women and children killing terrorists immediately seized upon this futile, idiotic gesture to announce to their 13th century following that America was again ripe for a renewed jihad (wonderful.)

And that was just some of the doings in hopeandchange.duh this week.

By GodHatesTrash

February 1, 2009 10:34 AM | Link to this

Actually, keep squealin’ little buddies.

Daddy likes it noisy.

Boo!

By AmVet

February 1, 2009 10:51 AM | Link to this

Let’s paint a scenario.

You hail from a backwater state that is at the bottom of nearly all the “good” categories and the top of nearly all the “bad” ones. And are currently making no progress in catching up to the rest of the nation.

You are the first Republican governor in over a hundred years.

Your accomplishments in eight years are getting the old boy traitors their flag back and………………uh……………………um…………………

Oh yeah!

Turning the state’s surplus into a $2+ billion deficit in no time flat. Amazingly, it is so large, it is second only to California’s. ???

Thanks to the local yokels and fiscal conservatives in the steal and spend BushCo mold.

Yeah, in that scenario I suppose even Pray for Rain would go hat in hand to that uppity one.

But only after first consulting Lynn Westmoreland and HeadRush…

By Obummer-the-liar

February 1, 2009 11:00 AM | Link to this

Another big Obummer lie!!!!

Obama White House A Lobbyist Haven Thu, 01/29/2009 - 13:58 — Judicial Watch Blog President Barack Obama has repeatedly violated his innovative campaign promise to ban lobbyists from his administration by hiring at least a dozen to high-profile positions, including several to his cabinet.

Obama’s famously coined lobbyists “won’t find a job in my White House” rhetoric has turned out to be a bad a joke, proving that, mainstream media adulation aside, he’s no different than most politicians. Broken campaign promises have for decades been par for the course among the nation’s most famous elected figures and the 44th president evidently is no exception.

This week a nationally known political news publication confirms an analysis, conducted by Republican sources, of lobbyists in Obama’s White House. It reveals that at least 12 well-known and influential lobbyists have top jobs in the administration. This may seem bizarre since Obama recently formalized the lobbyist ban in an Executive Order, leading one Washington group to accuse the administration of waving the magic wand to make exceptions to its own rule.

Among the registered lobbyists working in Obama’s White House is an attorney general who lobbied on behalf of a bankrupt telecommunications firm, a deputy defense secretary who lobbied for a defense contractor, a domestic policy advisor who lobbied for liberal advocacy groups like the American Civil Liberties Union and a director of intergovernmental affairs who lobbied for an extremist Mexican “La Raza” group. The entire list includes several other cabinet members and is included in the news story linked above.

http://judicialwatch.org

By BDAtlanta

February 1, 2009 11:01 AM | Link to this

From Frank Rich at NYtimes:

The nightmare is that we have so irrelevant, clownish and childish an opposition party at a moment when America is in an all-hands-on-deck emergency that’s as trying as war. To paraphrase a dictum that has been variously attributed to two of our most storied leaders in times of great challenge, Thomas Paine and George Patton, the Republicans should either lead, follow or get out of the grown-ups’ way.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/01/opinion/01rich.html?_r=1

By GodHatesTrash

February 1, 2009 11:01 AM | Link to this

AmVet, good points.

Just wondering - has anybody ever seen Goobernor Sonny and Ned Beatty at the same time?

By Chad Harris

February 1, 2009 11:24 AM | Link to this

The governors want pork period. Screw them. And screw this whole plan. Not a penny should pass. The debacle of TARC is one of the dumbest things Congress the epicenter of dumba$$ses has passed. It’s more money hemorhhaged away. If Congress and money ever meet, you betcha betcha goshdarnit betcha your money is being hemorrhaged away.

And most of all screw what Palin’s moronic brain says she wants. She can’t even keep people fed and alive in the South Yukon she’s ignored. She refuses to put government infrastructure in the South Yukon where people are starving and have no heat.

Amerikuh is hunkerin’ down for a cultural Sunday. They is tailgaitin’ for 4 hours of wholesome Predator Unseen the Raw Tapes revin’ up their cultural epicenter as they head into the Bush Depression.

By Hillbilly Deluxe

February 1, 2009 11:41 AM | Link to this

If you go to a local meeting and someone proposes something new, someone else will ask what it’s going to cost. The answer will always be, “Oh we can get a state (or federal) grant for that”. At the state level it’s always, “We can get federal money for that”. People never seem to realize that it’s all your money it’s just coming from a different pocket. If a project is worthwhile, the people benefitting from it should be willing to fund it. Of course, everybody wants the free lunch. This hypocrisy fits across all political and regional lines. (A great deal of this comes from Nixon and his revenue sharing plan.) Why send money to Washington just to have them send it back?

Obama and the Congress should tell all the states (including Gov. Sonny) to straighten out their own mess. Of course you can’t really say no to California and New York I guess. That’s where all the votes are.

By Chad Harris

February 1, 2009 11:54 AM | Link to this

What pork is the idiot Palin pushing for? According to the Ancourage Daily News:

A $2 Billion Road to Nowhere an epic 500-mile plus project that would run through some of the most remote wilderness of forest, tundra, rivers and valleys in the world…to the dismay of Alaska legislators.

Meanwhile Palin has illegally stonewalled an open records request for her official emails.

Palin already has a challenger for her 2010 Governor bid who will beat her.

What’s going on with Palin’s high school dropout teen age mom daughter? Her husband is jobless having quit his oil field job after about 72 hours. “Too much frigin’ work says Levi—ah was hopin’ to get in the drug biz with mah mom.”

And how ‘bout the grandmama of the teenage high school drop outs’ kid?

Sherry Johnston pleaded not guilty Monday to six felony counts of possessing and selling OxyContin. Johnston also asked for and received a public defender, a lawyer paid for by the state. During her first court appearance, the 42-year-old Wasilla woman was alone, with no lawyer or supporters by her side.

Looks like Alaska has the same crappy public defender program that JawJaw has now.

By AmVet

February 1, 2009 12:00 PM | Link to this

GHT,

Are you suggesting that coconuts migrate?

Oh sorry! Wrong movie!

Are you implying Sonny was the stunt double in that “squeal like a pig” scene in Deliverance?

The more I consider his options, I pity Michael Steele.

Can you imagine sitting in a roomful of Republicon faithful and plotting a viable future?

YIKES!

I give him six months before the bootlickers deem him too reasonable, willing to compromise and wanting to work with that uppity one.

Then it’s back to the back of the GOP bus for Mr. Affirmative Action

By AJC/DNC Management

February 1, 2009 12:27 PM | Link to this

{{{{Many officials in New Hampshire and Washington officials think a scenario is possible in which Lynch names a GOP successor. Democratic leaders have told supporters in private that Gregg’s departure would not automatically mean a Democratic replacement.}}}}

The people of New Hampshire elected a Republican to be their senator and if the demoKKKrats choose to trample the will of the voters, that would not surprise me a bit.

After all, what would you expect from a group of people that think gay bashing and Palin Derangement Syndrome are a form of political discussion?

hopeandchange.duh

By Ex Clinton Crook

February 1, 2009 12:27 PM | Link to this

JW files lawsuit against Billary. They should read all the books by ex Clinton insiders, who expose all the unethical/criminal crap they(both Clintons) did, and file lawsuits related to those crimes also!

http://www.judicialwatch.org/weeklyupdate/2009/05-historic-lawsuit-filed#anchor1

By Bud Wiser

February 1, 2009 12:29 PM | Link to this

BD Atlanta apparently scrapes his brains out of his pants. I don’t really give a crap if Obama won, if America wants socialism, America has socialism.

Perhaps all the mindless idiots like yourself are ready to be led and governed by the manipulators, maybe it will be a change from manipulating yourselves. I am not, and never have been, a ditto-head. They are as stupid being shepherded in their own direction, as you are being led by the nose in yours.

Unlike yourself, who has to be told what to think, what to do, what to say, by the likes of the Huffington POS, DailyPos, or whatever, I choose to think for myself. And I have thought it out and come to the conclusion that you act and talk like a mindless peon, a sponge, seeking to be filled from somewhere.

Look out, Barney Frank is standing right behind you.

By You stink, Bookman.

February 1, 2009 12:31 PM | Link to this

You stink, Bookman.

By Midori

February 1, 2009 12:37 PM | Link to this

have you guys noticed the influx of weirdly and unoriginaly named posters when the wingnut’s screams, howls and temper tantrums go ignored and/or ridiculed?

By Chad Harris

February 1, 2009 12:38 PM | Link to this

The President hasn’t decided who he wants to be Commerce Sec. yet. When the President decides, if it’s the Senatuh from Mass then the Democratic govnuh of New Hampshuh done can decide which Democarat he wants to be 59 or 60 dependin’ on how fast Senatuh Frankin done gets confirmed.

Ain’t none of them askin’ the Rethugs what to do Andy. It’s 60 60 60 get used to it.

By Chad Harris

February 1, 2009 12:47 PM | Link to this

The wingnuts can’t decide anything anymore, and they can’t ruin this country the way they drove it into the ground for 8 years of Moron as President, so they have nothing left to do but to cry on Wingnut blogs or to kvetch, b***, cry and moan on other blogs.

That’d be the President may decide to name Judd Gregg from NH and then if he does the Gov. can appoint the best qualified Dem to be Senatuh #59 or #60 rendering Suxby Chambliss not a firewall but the shrivelled old meaningless white cracker he was meant to be.

By GodHatesTrash

February 1, 2009 12:51 PM | Link to this

Now look, RightWingnuts. I’m not bashing you because you are gay, I’m bashing you because you are kkkowards. Huge difference.

Now, go back to your whining and ankle-grabbing.

I don’t want to spoil your fun…

By BDAtlanta

February 1, 2009 12:58 PM | Link to this

Hmmm, Bud,

With all your references to rear-ends and Barney Frank, etc, perhaps you’re….um….frustrated?

Rush will be on the air tomorrow….you’ll make it. In fact, I think Hannity has a show tonight…perhaps that will help get you through the night.

By Taxpayer

February 1, 2009 1:00 PM | Link to this

Just when you thought it was safe to trust big business to look out for we the people, well, that’s what the “we don’t need no steenking regulations or oversight” Republicans want you to do so they can make more money…Anyway, you folks out there pouring on that big glob of barbecue sauce on that pulled pork and washing it down with a cola and dipping those fries in some ketchup and letting your kids munch out on PBJs while washing it down with chocolate syrup flavored milk might want to take a closer look at what you’re ingesting.

By Chad Harris

February 1, 2009 1:04 PM | Link to this

Week 2 let’s recap

The Congress with a lopsided House and Senate made it crystal clear that the Dems will decide when, how, and if to pass legislation.

The 60 Senate Majority began to take shape.

2 Wingnut Republicans were headed to prison. One was the House Majority Leader in Florida—you can see Florida from Alaska—they’re the ones winning in the water baddle as the fat white waddler Purdue spent hundreds of thousands to watch the Supreme Court throw his case out of the federal appellate cycle.

Jack Abramoff associate Todd Boulonger just pled guilt in tyoical Rethuglican Chicken fashion because Rethugs would rather be snitches and turn tail than go to trial.

A Superbowl will be played and Pat Tillman won’t be playing for the Cardinals and over 5000 others won’t be able to see it because the Chickenhawk Bush and Cheney got them killed.

Rolly Polly Rove was given a date to testify Feb. 23 or risk having his fat butt throwin in jail by the House Sgt. at Arms.

The Bush adminsitration was denied the means to hide their documents by Exec. Order of President Obama.

A loser Michael Steele who couldn’t win a Senate Race was given a job no one on the planet wants, Chairman of the RNC. Stelle knows he is one of the few black men who is head of a group of KKK bigots.

By Mike

February 1, 2009 1:15 PM | Link to this

“But why do I think that later, she’s going to come out and claim she had really been against it all the time?”

Because she is a Republican, you are a Democrat and your life is dedicated to mindless partisanship.

Kind of like most of the mindless partisans on this board. (See Chad Harris)

By GodHatesTrash

February 1, 2009 1:17 PM | Link to this

((Rolly Polly Rove was given a date to testify Feb. 23 or risk having his fat butt throwin in jail by the House Sgt. at Arms.))

Since Rove is a leading ankle-grabber, his time behind bars will pass quickly…

He’ll probably ask for even more time.

By chuck

February 1, 2009 1:47 PM | Link to this

The ONLY plan we need to stimulate the economy is to cut taxes. This ridiculous “plan” does nothing but stimulate POLITICAL CAREERS of democrats and solidify the idea that ONLY THE GOVERNMENT can solve our problems. Government spending is the WORST kind of spending…especially when appropriated by democrats…because it always comes with strings attached to FORCE people to do things they don’t want to do.

We forget that in order for government to spend money, they take money that we would otherwise have spent for ourselves. Every expert says this plan is going to lead to significantly high inflation. What kind of shape is that going to leave us in 2 years from now.

I love the way Walter Williams described it. He said the stimulus plan is akin to someone taking buckets of water from the deep end of the pool and pouring it into the shallow end to make it deeper. The water is leaving AND going back into the SAME POOL.

The real role of government is to GET OUT OF THE WAY and let the American people figure a way out. I hope we don’t go to bed in America tonight and wake up tomorrow in socialist,Pre-Sarkozy France. That would be a much worse fate than this recession.

By Midori

February 1, 2009 1:49 PM | Link to this

Steele to Obama: “How do you like me now.”

Looks like Steele is channeling Kool Moe Dee.

That the best he can do?

I would expect AT LEAST Ice T.

By Midori

February 1, 2009 1:56 PM | Link to this

look at this cute little gif I just found

Chuck had better watch his back.

By AJC/DNC Management

February 1, 2009 2:13 PM | Link to this

{{{{HANNITY: And I think this is a great moment for what Reagan said back in 1975 after the Republicans lost in 1974. No pale pastels, bold colors. Bold differences. I have interviewed you a lot over the years. You want those differences. You want to make those distinctions, correct?

STEELE: Absolutely. Sean, we are the conservative party of this country. And under the leadership of our new president and Rahm Emanuel, the Democrats have declared themselves to be the liberal party. And this is great, this is great. So now we have got this wonderful opportunity to clearly define the distinctions between the left and the right, conservatives and liberals and have the American people choose who we believe is still a center-right nation have them choose to go in a direction of peace and prosperity, opportunity and empowerment.}}}}

Change we can believe in!

By Taxpayer

February 1, 2009 2:25 PM | Link to this

The Republican plan for yet another tax cut is akin to taking a bucket and scooping water from the shallow end of the ocean and dumping it in the deep end and believing that they’re actually accomplishing something. The Republicans think that they can continue that proud tradition of giving the rich and businesses more and more tax breaks by borrowing more and more from our children and their children and communist China and their children and Saudi Arabia and Russia and Venezuela and Iran, etc., and just keep on making bigger and bigger interest payments to all these nations forever. Actually, they know that they just have to pull off their lies until they’re dead. After that, they don’t have a thing to worry about because they know what happens when they die. They eventually turn into something of value such as fertilizer or worm food or oil. Now there’s their true family value.

By fed up

February 1, 2009 2:29 PM | Link to this

Jay kind of like Kerry who voted for the war and before he voted against it, huh? What governor wouldn’t take the money….almost all, if not all states are in dire need. This bill is no more of a stimulus package than the first one. It’s all BS and for them to call for a bipartisan vote is ridiculous they can pass this without the republican vote.

By chuck

February 1, 2009 2:53 PM | Link to this

Taxpayer, I’ve tried to understand your irrational fear of the Republican Party, but the only conclusion that I can come to is that you must have had some kind of head injury. You said:

The Republicans think that they can continue that proud tradition of giving the rich and businesses more and more tax breaks by borrowing more and more from our children and their children and communist China and their children and Saudi Arabia and Russia and Venezuela and Iran, etc., and just keep on making bigger and bigger interest payments to all these nations forever.

Where do you think the money for this so-called stimulus package is going to come from you putz? WITHOUT the stimulus plan we are going to have a 1 trillion dollar deficit. WITH it the deficit rises to 2 Trillion.

AND IT WON’T CREATE ANY JOBS EXCEPT GOVERNMENT JOBS. AND it is the biggest government takeover of the economy since the FDR debacle, which only World War II could get us out of.

For your information, REVENUES UNDER THE BUSH TAX CUTS INCREASED. That is the bottom line. The best thing we can do is to cut taxes and get the government out of our pockets and the economy. Bush got it HALF RIGHT. His tax cuts need to be made permanent and we need to extend them to MORE taxpayers.

By Midori

February 1, 2009 3:05 PM | Link to this

Chuck,

if what you say is true, why is everything so f*cked up now?

If those tax cuts were all that you say they were, where is the prosperity? Where are the jobs? Where’s the beef?

By Midori

February 1, 2009 3:25 PM | Link to this

The problem is not that House Republicans gave the stimulus bill zero votes last week. That’s transitory political symbolism, and it had no effect on the outcome. Some of the naysayers will vote for the revised final bill anyway (and claim, Kerry-style, that they were against it before they were for it). The more disturbing problem is that the party has zero leaders and zero ideas. It is as AWOL in this disaster as the Bush administration was during Katrina.

The Republicans do have one idea, of course, but it’s hardly fresh: more and bigger tax cuts, particularly for business and the well-off. That’s the sum of their “alternative” stimulus plan. Obama has tried to accommodate this panacea, perhaps to a fault. Mainstream economists in both parties believe that tax cuts in the stimulus package will deliver far less bang for the buck than, say, infrastructure spending. The tax-cut stimulus embraced a year ago by the G.O.P. induced next-to-no consumer spending as Americans merely banked the savings or paid down debt.

We also now know conclusively that the larger Bush tax cuts, besides running up record deficits and exacerbating income inequality, were also at best a placebo on our road to ruin. In a January survey of economists, including former McCain advisers like Douglas Holtz-Eakin and Mark Zandi, The Washington Post determined that the job growth the Bush administration kept bragging about (“52 straight months!”) was a mirage inflated by the housing bubble. Job growth — about 2 percent — was in fact the most tepid of any eight-year period “since data collection began seven decades ago.” Gross domestic product grew at a slower pace than in any eight years since the Truman administration.

But even if tax cuts alone could jump-start a recovery, they couldn’t do the heavy lifting that Obama has promised and the country desperately needs: a down payment on a new economy to replace our dilapidated 20th-century model and bring back long-term growth. The Republicans don’t acknowledge the need for this transformation, or debate it in good conscience, preferring instead to hyperventilate over the contraceptives in a small family-planning program since removed from the stimulus bill. All it takes is the specter of condoms for the party of Vitter, Foley and Craig to go gaga.

By fed up

February 1, 2009 3:31 PM | Link to this

There is a lot more pork in this bill than just the contraceptives or family planning that was taken out. READ THE BILL. Again, if it’s such a great stimulus package then why worry about the repubs supporting it, pass it already.

By chuck

February 1, 2009 3:33 PM | Link to this

Midori, It is incontravertible that revenues increased AFTER THE TAX CUTS.

First, Certainly fighting 2 wars led to increased spending, but PART OF THAT was because we didn’t leave after we won. We hung around to do the right thing for the Iraqi and Afghani people. We COULD HAVE JUST BLOWN THEM TO HECK AND LEFT. That said, our efforts in both places are paying off with 2 governments that were formerly ENEMIES, now moving toward becoming ALLIES in the fight against terrorists.

Second, politicians apparently have NO SELF CONTROL. It is impossible for them to do the right thing when it comes to being good stewards of OUR FREAKIN’ MONEY. They are addicted to money and power. We desperately need term limits to get some these entrenched thieves like Robert Byrd and others OUT OF WASHINGTON.

By AJC/DNC Management

February 1, 2009 3:39 PM | Link to this

{{{{HH: You know, Mark Steyn, we’ve got 22 months to the next election. But already I can see the little cartoon clouds over people’s heads saying hmm, maybe Democrat president and Democrat Congress is bad idea. Maybe we should send the messiah a Republican Congress so that they don’t do stupid things like this. And the hardest thing for Republicans will be to explain why they suddenly understand spending. Now I have some thoughts on that, but what do you think is their best answer to that?

MS: Yes, I think they have to in effect run against their own record here. And I think there’s no point trying to compete with the Democrats on that. That’s in fact what we saw in the last few years. And I think they have to, I think that’s what was so heartening about this kind of 100% opposition.}}}}

Change we can believe in!

By chuck

February 1, 2009 3:44 PM | Link to this

Midori, the “public works” projects in the bill create WORK, NOT JOBS. There is a huge difference. It is just like the New Deal. While the wpa, ccc, and others gave temporary work to people, it did not have ANY impact, LONG TERM. It resulted in NO NET INCREASE IN JOBS.

When we do this, we are going to end up the biggest debtor on the planet. We will have accrued MORE debt than the rest of the countries in the world COMBINED.

As economist Steve Moore said, we NEED TO CUT A TRILLION DOLLARS FROM THE BUDGET NOT ADD A TRILLION DOLLARS.

By Taxpayer

February 1, 2009 3:47 PM | Link to this

chuck,

Your ignorance is showing. There. That about covers it.

By chuck

February 1, 2009 3:53 PM | Link to this

HEY taxpayer, BITE ME.

By Taxpayer

February 1, 2009 3:54 PM | Link to this

chuck,

Do you really think that you are impressing anyone.

By fed up

February 1, 2009 3:58 PM | Link to this

There’s definately some ignorance showing but I don’t think it belongs to Chuck.

By chuck

February 1, 2009 4:02 PM | Link to this

I’m not trying to impress anyone, especially you. If you aren’t smart enough to read what experts are saying about the stimulus plan and the long term negative impact it will have on the economy then there is not much to talk about with you.

BUT, let’s see if there is ANY hope for you. Answer this question for me. Which part of the stimulus package is the ONLY one that will have IMMEDIATE IMPACT?

Here’s another: What percentage of the stimulus plan will be spent THIS YEAR? You know, the year that we are experiencing this “crisis”.

By Taxpayer

February 1, 2009 4:03 PM | Link to this

Then, there were two. Combined we have twice the spew. We call them “fed upchuck.”

By chuck

February 1, 2009 4:10 PM | Link to this

Let me go ahead and answer the questions for you.

The ONLY part of the plan that will have immediate impact according to EVERY EXPERT is the 260 billion dollar tax cut.

ABOUT two-thirds of the package will be spent on projects that are not “shovel ready” as they say. Most of them will not even finish the bidding process before 2010 with some not ready until 2013. Tell me how in the world that is going to stimulate the economy NOW.

By fed up

February 1, 2009 4:13 PM | Link to this

Like I said taxpayer READ THE BILL, then let’s see who’s ignorant.

By Taxpayer

February 1, 2009 4:15 PM | Link to this

chuck,

If you want any further retort from me then you will have to complete the following tasks,

1) Apologize for the rude remarks that you addressed to me, and

2) Referring to my 2:25 post that you did the cut and paste from, provide a proper rebuttal with links to support your argument.

Have a good day.

By Pogo

February 1, 2009 4:16 PM | Link to this

ANY governor that accepts the terms of the house package, such as the millions for Acorn, needs to be thrown out of office. This is Jay’s feeble attempt to interject a wedge into the Republican party and to split state Republicans and their federal representation. Jay, in the not too distant future (a couple of months?), your beloved Democratic party is going to provide all the chaos you can stand. Give up the cheap tricks Jay and give the people something to talk about other than your own narrow one sided mind.

By chuck

February 1, 2009 4:26 PM | Link to this

tp, there are MANY websites that list government revenues by year. I’ve actually mastered the use of the internet and can find those things for myself. I am a firm believer that people learn best when they discover the truth for themselves. YOUR proper “rebuttal” of my post was to call me ignorant when all you had to do was watch ANY of the financial shows on CNN FOX or CNBC yesterday and listen to economists comments on the plan. Turn one on NOW and you will see that I’m right. There are news shows discussing this topic right now on both cnn and fox. Choose one and educate yourself.

I will however apologize for calling you a putz.

By Taxpayer

February 1, 2009 4:26 PM | Link to this

So, my assumption that fed up and chuck are indeed one must be true and my label for this person, “fed upchuck”, is an accurate descriptor. Interesting.

Anyway, these Republicans have worked for decades now at dismantling anything that even remotely resembled regulation or oversight of their masters and its coming home to roost all around them. Everything that the Republicans touch turns to stone and we the people have had enough. The Republicans have been put back in their proper place and now we get to hear them whine and moan about what they think this country needs. Of course, we all know what they think we need — more of the same. The same old losing policies and philosophies that got us into such a mess to begin with. No more.

By Taxpayer

February 1, 2009 4:41 PM | Link to this

chuck,

Since you managed to accomplish a portion of my prescribed tasks, I’ll help you with the second portion by giving you some reference material.

By fed up

February 1, 2009 5:51 PM | Link to this

Yep you’re right on taxpayer, just like you and dimrod are the same.

By Midori

February 1, 2009 6:05 PM | Link to this

More name calling from the people with no ideas.

That truly must suck.

Did you know that every time you do that, God kills a kitten?

Why not try to join the rest of the human race, and call people by their names? Try it sometime. You might be surprised at the reception you get.

or are you fed up with being human, too?

By fed up

February 1, 2009 6:11 PM | Link to this

Hey dimrod look at your boy taxpayer before you start talking that crp

By Midori

February 1, 2009 6:15 PM | Link to this

I’m sorry; I don’t know who you’re talking to Fed Up.

If that last comment was directed to me, I’m afraid that I can’t answer for this “rod” person.

This is my last response to you until you learn how to act like a civilized person.

Have a good evening.

By fed up

February 1, 2009 6:36 PM | Link to this

you too :)