Jay Bookman

By Corporal of the Guard

January 18, 2009 7:40 AM | Link to this

Dulce bellum inexpertis.

Sic vis pacum, para bellum.

DRAFT RATES

WWII 66%

Vietnam 25%

War on Terrorism 0%

Need I say more……….

By AJC/DNC Management

January 18, 2009 7:47 AM | Link to this

Yeah, we should have all jumped in the ocean and swam to Afghanistan, right?

A 300 million man assault on Mexico?

Tax hikes in a recession?

What?

By AJC/DNC Management

January 18, 2009 8:04 AM | Link to this

{{{{U.S. Sen. Hillary Clinton was lauded as a champion of social and racial justice at the King Center’s “Salute to Greatness” dinner Saturday in Atlanta.-Urinal}}}}

{{{{Obama arrives, eager to act with ‘fierce urgency’- Washington —- Barack Obama rolled into the capital Saturday night pledging to help bring the nation “a new Declaration of Independence” and promising to rise to the stern challenges of the times.-Urinal}}}}

You look for one little tiny accomplishment that would warrant such slobbering but yet you cannot find anything.

“Obambi wode da twain, eyes speechwess!”

Witness the great passing of the torch, the Urinal/Jihad has made it’s remarkable transition from whining but loyal opposition to the United States to the second coming of Hitler’s propaganda ministry.

Wonderful.

Seig Heil!

Yes we can!

Allah Akbar!

By Corporal of the Guard

January 18, 2009 8:17 AM | Link to this

P.S.

Now that our military will soon be having a new Commander in Chief let’s just see how patriotic Americans are to fill those ranks (especially with the changes coming to don’t ask don’t tell and Lord know what else).

Not to worry though, the Army has been reduced to recruiting overweight warriors.

By Andy the Welcher

January 18, 2009 8:28 AM | Link to this

Same trolls, different day… still bleating the same crap…

Andy’s a welcher…

ew

By Redneck Convert

January 18, 2009 8:30 AM | Link to this

Well, the boys down at Billy Bob’s were all down in the dumps about Wooten being put out to pasture. My buddy Jim Earl said it figured, what with this Obama firing all the conservatives in office and the AJC following his lead. And Joe Bill said if Obama made a sharp turn it would break this Julia Wallace’s nose.

Anyhow, I remember that day on 9/11. I done what My President said to do. I went shopping at WalMart and bought a new pair of white socks, seeing as how it was time for my monthly bath and I had wore the ones I had on for 30 days.

I don’t know why the libruls think we should of done something else. Most of us are too old to fight, and it wouldn’t do no good to make some kind of sacrafice. It’s for sure we didn’t need no tax increase to pay for the war, seeing as how we could just borrow from China and never pay it back. So it made sense to walk thru a store and keep a eye out for some bargains.

We got only two days of national sanity left. They’ll fly My President back to Texas and we will be left with a flaming librul and one of Those People to boot. I’m still putting all my leftover money in my cement vault and this Pelousy woman won’t never find it to tax it. People that don’t have a place to put their spare money better go shopping and spend it because the librul Democrats will be coming after it big-time.

Well, it’s me and the missus to Ryan’s after church today. First I’m headed down to the Church of Holiness to hear Rev. Postlewaite preach. I wish we had the Rev. Jim Bob Buice back, but the state won’t let him be around kids after they caught him buck-nekkid in the bushes with that boy. It was all a big mistake. He wasn’t doing nothing but trying to rescue the kid and he didn’t want to mess his clothes up.

Have a good Sabbath everybody and don’t try to buy beer today. It’s evil stuff on this day but OK on the other six days of the week.

By AJC/DNC Management

January 18, 2009 8:31 AM | Link to this

!!!!!2nd Off Topic Comment!!!!!

Look at what passes for “accomplishments” in the Pinko Nation-

{{{{During much of her two terms, Franklin was as golden as her dyed coif. In 2005, Time magazine ranked her one of America’s top five mayors (the other four were pinkos too, surprise.) U.S. News & World Report was similarly impressed. And Newsweek put her on the cover in 2007 for a story on “Women and Power.”-Urinal/Kult of BaraKKK}}}}

How incestuous is this?

Dee Cheer Of Dee Urinal- Rah Rah Rah Sis Boom Bah Oblahma Oblahma Yah Yah Blah!!

By Mrs.Godzilla

January 18, 2009 8:47 AM | Link to this

I feel pretty sorry for all you wallflowers at the dance.

The vast majority of us are hopeful and optimistic, but some few in the party of the elephant are sounding just like Eeyore.

Well, dudes and dudettes of the minority..may we have this dance or are you going to the pity party instead?

By Mike

January 18, 2009 8:48 AM | Link to this

So when Obama also does not ask the American people to “make sacrifices”, will Bookman criticize him for it? Of course not.

Also, what sacrifice did Bookman have in mind? No angry liberals are ever specific when they make this stupid partisan attack on Bush. Are you guys advocating a draft? What else could you be talking about?

By Mike

January 18, 2009 8:51 AM | Link to this

Hey Jay, why is Redneck Convert’s hateful and mindless bigotry acceptable to you?

Would you accept a six paragraphs of bigotry against inner city black folks? Of course not. Why the double standard?

By Mrs.Godzilla

January 18, 2009 9:01 AM | Link to this

Let’s get this party started

By AJC/DNC Management

January 18, 2009 9:02 AM | Link to this

Duhzilla: Huh, I thought that dissent was the “highest form of patriotism,” least that’s what we’ve been hearing for the last 8 years, now we come to find out it’s really just a “pity party?”

Interesting.

{{{{Rah Rah Rah Sis Boom Bah Oblahma Oblahma Yah Yah Blah!!-Urinal/Kult of BaraKKK}}}}

Allah Akbar!

Yes we can!

By DB, Gwinnettian

January 18, 2009 9:03 AM | Link to this

Heh heh. Redneck Convert shoots, Redneck Convert scores.

By DB, Gwinnettian

January 18, 2009 9:08 AM | Link to this

Since I guess Wooten’s retiring you don’t spose we could convince that tired old hag Broder to say goodbye as well?

What a putz. Oh, the piece Jay’s linked has plenty of noble sentiments and of course he’s superficially correct about Bush’s failings, but Broder’s your classic sunshine soldier. Where was he when this sh!t was going down? Wining and dining with the same people he weakly kicks as they’re heading out the door.

Eff Broder.

Later all.

By Mrs.Godzilla

January 18, 2009 9:08 AM | Link to this

Celebration

By Mrs.Godzilla

January 18, 2009 9:14 AM | Link to this

We’re havin’ a party

By Cherokee

January 18, 2009 10:02 AM | Link to this

Let’s hope Redneck gets Wooten’s job.

And Mike, maybe sacrifice by paying for the war as we fought it? Maybe paying for care for our returning soldiers as they came home? Never before has the government reduced taxes at a time of war.

By ByteMe

January 18, 2009 10:02 AM | Link to this

Mike @ 8:51 just proves the old adage:

Conversatives don’t do irony.

Which explains Bush calling the Katrina response, lack of WMDs in Iraq, and Abu Grhaib “a disappointment” (but not a mistake) and being sincere when doing so.

A “disappointment”. How ironic.

By GayGrayGeek

January 18, 2009 10:14 AM | Link to this

ByteMe @ 10:02 - That’s because in The Party Of PERSONAL Responsibility, no one is Responsible for anything.

Remember - it’s all Barack Obama’s fault. That which isn’t Obama’s fault is Bill Clinton’s fault. That which isn’t Clinton’s fault is Jimmy Carter’s fault.

Even though The Party Of PERSONAL Responsibility has controlled the White House for 28 of the past 40 years, and both houses of Congress for 4 of the past 6 - controlling all three simultaneously (looking at your, Corporal, since YOUR PARTY could have re-activated the draft at any time), they are NOT RESPONSIBLE for anything that’s happened.

Remember, Denial, river in Egypt, etc.

By AmVet

January 18, 2009 10:17 AM | Link to this

The problem with these chickenhawks and assorted spineless politicians is that they have no skin in the game. Kinda like the gigantic clusterf&ck caused by derivatives - all side bets with someone else’s money, or in this case, their kids.

Mike “ponders” conscription. I have mixed feelings about this, but am not opposed to the idea that everybody ante up.

True, the neo-cons and their belligerent draft-dodging “leaders” might not put as many meaningless Support the Troops stickers on their Suburbans and Expeditions, if little Heather and Joey had come home in a box while “policing” Iraq in BushCo’s Great Colonial Experiment gone horribly awry, but we are talking about sacrifice, right?

But the best idea I’ve ever heard on this matter comes from Ralph Nader (like so many others)

DRAFT AT THE TOP

President Bush believes that the war in Iraq is “worth the sacrifice.”

The question then becomes - sacrifice by whom?

What about George Bush’s daughters - Jenna and Barbara?

Prince Harry served in Afghanistan.

Senator Jim Webb and Senator John McCain each have a son who has served in Iraq.

During World War II four of Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s sons entered the armed forces, as did General Eisenhower’s son, John Eisenhower.

No double standard for them.

So, why not Jenna and Barbara Bush?

And why not military service for the children of all members of Congress - who have funded this criminal war in Iraq?

There is a certain moral authority to govern - setting an example - sharing in the sacrifice initiated by the White House - that escape George W. Bush and Dick Cheney and their enablers in Congress.

They have children who have declined to serve during the Iraq war.

While over four thousand, two hundred young American men and women have died in this needless, criminal war.

And tens of thousands have been seriously injured.

Why the double standard?

We have a simple cure for this double standard.

It’s called - draft at the top.

Pass a law that says whenever Congress and the White House take our country to war, all able-bodied military-age children of every member of Congress, the President and the Vice-President will be conscripted automatically into the armed forces.

Real change?

You betcha!

Less than fifty hours.

By rcs

January 18, 2009 10:18 AM | Link to this

What’s disappointing is how Mr. Bookman is fixated on the past. Why are we not looking at and discussing current events? Timothy Geithner? Eric Holder? 850 billion dollar stimulus? Is there nothing to discuss but Bush/Cheney?

By Cherokee

January 18, 2009 10:22 AM | Link to this

brilliant idea, amvet.

and gaygeek, thanks for the laugh. but don’t forget Barney Frank - he’s the root of all evil, somehow, associated with the recession. (Not sure how they get there, but I’m sure it’s NOT because he’s gay…)

By Keyboard Warrior

January 18, 2009 10:26 AM | Link to this

Not done anything? Why I have been busy at this keyboard fighting the good fight! I have been daily sacrificing my life from this basement bunker, battling in the war for ideas! Don’t you folks realize the bravery it takes to to type all day in these comment pages! I battle the crazies of the left every single day! I should get a medal! I am too damn busy to get out and do anything else. No way I could enlist or anything! Somebody has to make the sacrifices like I am!

By getalife

January 18, 2009 10:30 AM | Link to this

Turn the page on the worst ever and honor greatness:

“Clinton honored at King Center:

Hillary Clinton, here with Dr. Christine King Farris, was lauded as a champion of justice at the ‘Salute to Greatness’ dinner.”

The moment is here. A new day has arrived. Better times are coming.

Obama has unity, hope and optimism and the Clinton team for a third term.

Let us celebrate with the world.

By AJC/DNC Management

January 18, 2009 10:37 AM | Link to this

rcs: They still have 48 hours to mindlessly foam and sputter, the real test starts Tuesday afternoon.

Millions upon millions of moonbats will be flaying about in an empty fever swamp, BDS withdrawal will begin to manifest it’s symptoms, at first they will try to think of new material to whine and moan about but will find that their brains have atrophied to the point where only hysterics are possible.

They will know what a stalker feels like after receiving a restraining order from the Sheriff, the itching desire to go and peek in their victim’s window will remain, but deep down in their stupid, animal souls they will know that they are themselves being watched now.

It should be quite fun.

But don’t despair, little forlorn pinkos, you have a new Chicken Hawk War Monger who has never served in the White House, nor has his wife ever put on the uniform, but yet he Recklessly!! plans on Staying The Course in Iraq.

You’ll have plenty to whine about.

If your editor let’s you.

{{{{Rah Rah Rah Sis Boom Bah Oblahma Oblahma Yah Yah Blah!!-Urinal/Kult of BaraKKK}}}}

Allah Akbar!

Yes we can!

By Mrs.Godzilla

January 18, 2009 10:47 AM | Link to this

We are the Champions

By TW

January 18, 2009 10:51 AM | Link to this

What a shame, a pitiful, pitiful shame, that it has taken a downturn in the economy for this to ring true with the bumper sticker moron ingrates who inhabit this great land.

‘Oh, my cable got cut off - now I suppose I care that the family down the street has an empty spot at their table because we had a moron commander in chief.’

geez…

By AmVet

January 18, 2009 11:06 AM | Link to this

Two out of three Americans think the Bush administration is a failure.

A FAILURE.

This isn’t just disapproval.

And just how many people who voted for BushCo now rue that decision and make up this voice?

Is it in the hundreds of thousands? Millions?

Failure, unlike disapproval, goes to the heart of the matter.

On ethics and morality - a failure.

On domestic policy - a failure

On foreign policy - a total failure.

On basic competency to run the nation - a failure.

172,855 seconds. (Or thereabouts).

01-20-09 The End of a Failure

By AJC/DNC Management

January 18, 2009 11:07 AM | Link to this

All of the massive effort, the huge unwielding and ruthless machine, the mindless scheming and plotting that was done in the soulless building with no windows, this gargantuan undertaking that was totally committed to destroying the Bush Presidency will now have it’s moronic mission changed to floating little baraKKK along on thee cloud, a billowy tuft of gas and blather.

Is it even possible?

Imagine what a struggle it will be to turn an entire industry fully devoted to hate, idiocy and treason and make it into a cream puff tossing love contraption with it’s lips firmly planted on the president’s derriere.

By the way, how can the Urinal be losing a cool million a week, when all it does is wait by the fax machine for the arrival of the current DNC talking points memo?

Which one of you is embezzling from your company?

Huh, huh?

{{{{Rah Rah Rah Sis Boom Bah Oblahma Oblahma Yah Yah Blah!!-Urinal/Kult of BaraKKK}}}}

Allah Akbar!

Yes we can!

By GayGrayGeek

January 18, 2009 11:15 AM | Link to this

rcs - The only thing interesting to the Wingnuts about Eric Holder is “The Past”.

If we’re to ignore the craptacular ways that BushCo destroyed this country, then the Wingnuts shall ignore Holder’s history under Clinton.

If, however, Holder’s past is Fair Game, so is the nefariousness of BushCo.

One standard, sir. One standard for all. I’ll even let you pick, but there will be ONE standard for all.

By rcs

January 18, 2009 11:18 AM | Link to this

The One Hundred Tenth United States Congress lead by Pelosi and Reid - a total failure.

By AJC/DNC Management

January 18, 2009 11:19 AM | Link to this

GayGrayFreak- You libs act like you got something:

{{{{The Iraq Resolution or the Iraq War Resolution (formally the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002,[1]) is a joint resolution (i.e., a law) passed by the United States Congress in October 2002 as Public Law No: 107-243, authorizing the Iraq War.}}}}

Perhaps you may be opening a can of whoop as-s upon your own behinds?

Knock yourself out.

By GayGrayGeek

January 18, 2009 11:27 AM | Link to this

Andy, “Projection” is found in more places than movie theatres…

By Goldie

January 18, 2009 11:43 AM | Link to this

There will be much dancing all over the world this week in celebration of our New President Obama — a new day has come for America.

A fun YouTube video below — apparently the Irish are celebrating the fact that Obama’s great-great-grandfather came from Ireland:

No One As Irish As Barack Obama

By AmVet

January 18, 2009 11:48 AM | Link to this

Downstairs I read some quaint (read inane) reference to Rastus as a “caricature”.

And alas and alack, how these “caricatures” are unfairly treated here by the evil “tool” Bookman. Woe be unto them. Big woe. HUGE woe.

When will these ever-dwindling, never-served, never-will, emasculated, chickenhawks EVER quit b!tching like teenage girls about this blog and their victimhood? (I know, it is a rhetorical question.)

But, short of blowing a blogging gasket and getting banned again, I very much doubt it will ever happen. As growing up and growing a pair at this late date seems improbable.

And I surmise the Talibaptist’s never satiable, yet unfounded, enmity for this new president will continue to ramp up.

In fact, I’d almost bet that within the first year, one of these bible-thumping, southern conservofascists tries a James Earl Ray on that uppity one. (But NO bets with Boomer Sooner Andy. He doesn’t keep his word and pay off his debts when he loses ((all the time)). The welcher.)

I have an alternate “caricature” theory.

The witless and misanthropic Reich-wingers are in caricature when they DON”T show their true bigoted colors and obvious xenophobia and scoiopathy.

And as GGG correctly notes, the Party of Responsibility (& Various Other Stupid Slogans) has shown very, very little. So the frauds and charlatans who hijacked both the GOP and the term conservative are at a complete loss what to do next. (I have a couple of ideas! Some of which don’t involve waterboarding.)

And as 2/3 of Americans FINALLY see BushCo as the failure it truly is, what must the numbers be for these mind boggling bootlickers who still see him as the best thing since sliced bread?

One of the many reasons they couldn’t even nominate another neo-con this time, and why they keep getting absolutely hammered every other November.

01-20-09 Mission Accomplished

By Goldie

January 18, 2009 11:57 AM | Link to this

(I have a couple of ideas! Some of which don’t involve waterboarding.)

AmVet — I’m with you, Dude, but this may be one time we can make an exception to the banning of waterboarding. What would be more appropriate for the likes of Donald “Stuff Happens” Rumsfeld, KKK Rove and Dick The Terrible?

By AmVet

January 18, 2009 12:05 PM | Link to this

Goldie, their leaving Washington with their tails between their legs will have to sufficient.

PE Obama seems unwilling to implement widespread prosecution of the swindlers and crooks and their political operatives. This is IMHO a big mistake and may indicate he is not really all that interested in seeking economic justice. I hope I’m wrong. We’ll see.

rcs, re your 11:18,

I agree.

And that is not likely to change unless one or both of the following happen.

The far-right wing that controls the GOP moves towards the center. It would seem the far left has already started moving there, as the old guard is slowly being replaced by younger combat-veterans and other centrists. I see no such move in the GOP.

Or they keep losing elections in record fashion.

Even then, given the historically shameless and spineless capitulation by this US Congress as a check and balance on King George, as well as completely abdicating its oversight role to protect the American people, we are not in a very forgiving mood.

48 HOURS!!!

By Davo

January 18, 2009 12:11 PM | Link to this

You know what’s really funny? Obama is going to ask us to do the exact same thing….go shopping!

Change…ya…right.

By RW-(the original)

January 18, 2009 12:15 PM | Link to this

This morning I saw a clip of “Five Deferments” Biden saying things would take much longer than expected because the economy was so much worse than they knew.

Now I understand the lowering expectations game, but I’m not buying it from a guy that’s been in the Senate since 1973.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

{{{{{I think there’s some truth to that.}}}}}}

Is that the kind of incisive commentary that will be expected from the new conservative writer? Let’s hope not since you could analyze nearly anything ever written or said in the world of politics with that line.

By Goldie

January 18, 2009 12:21 PM | Link to this

Davo @ 12:11 — wrong, Dude. PE Obama is already calling on Americans to participate in a Day of Service on Monday. And he would never call on Americans to “go shopping” while trying to start an illegal “dumb war” against a country who never attacked us.

Your man Bush is a total failure and you can only blame yourself for standing behind him all these disastrous years.

By AmVet

January 18, 2009 12:34 PM | Link to this

I understand that there will be some going away parties for the administration.

Dick Cheney, of course, is very popular and has been invited to several. Apparently the big one on his list is hosted by Patrick Leahey.

And Our Hero of the Texas ANG will make a brief appearance at the home of Bernie Madoff to exchange condolences. Then on to the Libby household for a little recompense and kool aid. (Sorry, none of that demon whiskey will ever touch those lips!)

(And though not confirmed, their are persistent rumors that Condi is actually going to try and slip into the inauguration festivities on Tuesday. In drag!)

By Davo

January 18, 2009 12:45 PM | Link to this

Goldie…Obama is just as much a Keynesian as Bush…maybe even more so. This bailout hinges on the hope that people need to spend to stimulate the economy. Let me hold your hand for you here- that means ‘Go shopping’. Do the exact same thing that got us into this mess. Sorry you don’t understand or don’t care tho know the real reasoning behind this…in 2 years when we enter the 2nd great depression maybe you will have gathered some intelligence.

Also…I’ve never supported W. The fact that you try to pidgeon hole me based on one sentence only shows me how narrow-minded your thinking is.

By AF

January 18, 2009 1:00 PM | Link to this

I don’t know if “go shopping” was the worst Bush mistake, but it certainly is up there.

There is an other-worldly disconnect between the fact we are at war and the way we lead our ordinary lives.

It is called leadership. We haven’t had it for eight years.

By AJC/DNC Management

January 18, 2009 1:08 PM | Link to this

{{{{President-elect BaracKKK Obama announced the formation of a new group known as “Organizing for America” that aims to continue the grassroots advocacy that the former Illinois Senator began in his presidential campaign. The new group will work within the Democratic National Committee — led by Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine — to advance the Obama agenda.-WaPo}}}}

Community organizing with federal tax dollars.

Let me guess, “The president-elect has investigated any misappropriation of government resources and has found that none exist-Urinal/DNC”

Pretty good, huh?

By Corporal of the Guard

January 18, 2009 1:17 PM | Link to this

To GayGrayGeek

Although I may occasionaly vote for one as the lesser of two evils, the Republicans are NOT my party.

Why?

Because I am a conservative.

By Corporal of the Guard

January 18, 2009 1:19 PM | Link to this

To Midori (from yesterday)

And if those wiretaps in Chicago had been left up a few more weeks there is a good possibility an impeachment would be down the road !!

In my opinion, you owe President Bush a thanks for that one ……………

By Andy the Welcher

January 18, 2009 1:59 PM | Link to this

“And if those wiretaps in Chicago had been left up a few more weeks there is a good possibility an impeachment would be down the road !!”

Ahhhh but the venerable Corporal leaves out the other distinct possibility for his supposition, and that would be that we could possibly have complete and total exoneration for the incoming President… Nice analysis, too bad you didn’t consider ALL the possible outcomes of your prognostications, just the ones you wish for. You claim to not be a Republican, then don’t act like one.

Oh, and…

Andy’s a Big Fat Welcher, and an idiot…

ew

By AJC/DNC Management

January 18, 2009 2:30 PM | Link to this

I guess you could say that Steyn agrees with Bookman, sort of-

{{{{Bush had a rare opportunity to reverse the most poisonous tide in the western world: He could have argued that western self-loathing is a psychosis we can no longer afford. He could have told the teachers’ unions there was more to the Second World War than the internment of Japanese-Americans and it’s time they started mentioning it to our children. You can’t hold the 90% approval ratings forever, but, while he had them, George W Bush could have used them for a “teaching moment”: If ever there’s a time for not being mired in civilizational self-abasement, wartime is it. Yet the President figured he could fight a long existential struggle against America’s enemies in a culture that teaches its children there are no enemies, just friends whose grievances we haven’t yet accommodated.}}}}

Kinda sorta agrees.

{{{{Rah Rah Rah Sis Boom Bah Oblahma Oblahma Yah Yah Blah!!-Urinal/Kult of BaraKKK}}}}

Allah Akbar!

Yes we can!

By Corporal of the Guard

January 18, 2009 2:36 PM | Link to this

To Andy the Welcher

1) You don’t read well. I said good possiblity on impeachment …. not in fact. Did you read that? Possibility! Obama may have been smart enough to stay out of the conversations and maybe not. Now we will never know and President Bush I am convinced gave you that present.

2) I don’t act like a Republican because I call them out when they are wrong. That’s more than I can say for you Democrats and the way you handle your issues.

To AmVet

I agree with you on the draft policy except not from the top down. The kids are not responsible for their parents decisions.

A fair lottery with NO exceptions is all I would ask for. That means a third year medical student at Harvard would make a great medic.

NO EXCEPTIONS …… including women.

All of that stated, I do not think you will ever see a draft in this country again if for no other reason that newly appointed liberal Supreme Court judges will rule it involuntary servitude.

By @@

January 18, 2009 2:37 PM | Link to this

Maybe the reporter at Camp David shares some of the responsibility in that he didn’t adequately pose the question, jay. Few specifics in other words, but ammo in reserve. Words do matter, ‘ya know.

Had we been asked to forego taxcuts, then who’s to say the liberals wouldn’t be fighting all the harder for that money to fund the millions of abortions provided by Planned Parenthood.

How many liberals would you say paid more than what they owed to IRS and chose not to seek a refund or the maximum refund through deductions?

I’m just curious, jay.

This lady, and those like her chose to withhold her taxes for something more worthy than the war effort. Call themselves “War Tax Resisters”, they do.

In her own words, she’s been doing so since VietNam.

By Midori

January 18, 2009 2:37 PM | Link to this

Hi Corporal,

EVERYTHING MUST GO!!!!

You might even get to sell that sign you were holding up.

By @@

January 18, 2009 2:46 PM | Link to this

Oh, and jay? You may wanna think about sending Broder a portion of your paycheck for his assistance in making your job so much easier than it was intended to be.

Just a suggestion, mind you.

By Corporal of the Guard

January 18, 2009 2:52 PM | Link to this

To Midori

You are talking about this to the wrong guy.

There NEVER should have been a Gitmo Prison:

In order of preference:

1) These terrorists should never have left the field of battle.

2) For the few who did, they should have been turned over to the host country for proper disposition …. :o)

3) End of story.

By mm

January 18, 2009 2:58 PM | Link to this

Hey wingnuts, while you’re denying you were a Bush supporter, you better remember to take the Bush/Cheney stickers off your SUV’s. It’s a dead giveaway.

By Midori

January 18, 2009 3:04 PM | Link to this

Corporal,

I never understand just WTF you are talking about.

And I have a feeling/hint that it’s not just “me”.

Who are you rooting for today in the NFC Championship?

I’m rooting for the Eagles, tho I’m aware that they always choke.

By AmVet

January 18, 2009 3:08 PM | Link to this

Corporal,

Guys like you and me know all too well about low or high lottery numbers. And those memories, for many, are not very pleasant. To bring them back would likely split this country in two, like it did then.

Still, I personally think it would do a whole lot of people good, would help the nation and keep an enormous burden off of an army and marine corps stretched to the breaking point.

Nobody’s kids are responsible for the irresponsibility of their lame parents. Nor for the men, most of whom have never gotten remotely close to an AFEES, who send them off to bleed, suffer and die in the sand for what?

FOR WHAT?

Much of my anger at this duplicitous administration is knowing that these brave kids should still be alive, laughing and playing with their own kids, or their girlfriends or their parents.

Another needless American tragedy.

And another heartbreak.

How many more must we endure?

By Dusty

January 18, 2009 3:14 PM | Link to this

My goodness, what a celebration! The almighty liberals of victory spend the day here running down Bush and Cheney and the Bush daughters plus hints that the military needs the help of a “draft” to keep going.

These “celebrants”, who obviously live in a black hole somewhere, have never seen a ray of sunshine in their lives and CANNOT CELEBRATE. Their gears are so stuck in NEGATIVE backing that they are rusted in hate, pure ol’ ugly hate belched from their bottom blues.

Have you liberals never heard of gracious behavior? Have you ever seen an older gentlemen give his seat to a young woman? Have you seen a football player give a hand up to a player he has just tackled to the ground? Have you ever seen a loaded shopper swap places with the one behind him because that one had only two items? Have you noticed a president who GRACIOUSLY showed a president elect all around the White House so the move of the new one would be easier? And last, do you remember the man in the icy Potomac who gave his life preserver to one less able to swim after a plane crash in the river. The giver gave his life as he probably knew he would.

The definition of GRACIOUS is disposed to be kind, benevolent, courteous,merciful or compassionate. Did liberals lose every one of those values just because they WON an election?

Obama is right. Time for a change from the old ways of hostility. Let’s hope the liberals are listening. Their present condition is a disgrace to their winner and an anathema to his promises.

By Dale Gribble's GOP

January 18, 2009 3:14 PM | Link to this

Did Corporal just call Andy a welcher? Awesome!

By rcs

January 18, 2009 3:18 PM | Link to this

I agree Midori, the Eagles can never seem to win the big game. Hopefully this year will be different.

By Midori

January 18, 2009 3:20 PM | Link to this

RCS,

It appears the Cardinals drew first blood.

Well, we shall see, eh?

By Dusty

January 18, 2009 3:25 PM | Link to this

Now AmVet wants to explain his daily does of hate for many of us as his compassion for the military.

The men and women of the military VOLUNTEERED to protect this country and that is what they have done. They did a good job and did so willingly and proudly. They continue to do so.

Using them as some kind of sop for sorriness and surliness on your part, AmVet, does nothing but discredit the greatest armed forces in the world.

Take your complaints and putdowns somewhere else. We are not a dumpster for your discontent.

By DB, Gwinnettian

January 18, 2009 3:48 PM | Link to this

Keyboard Warrior way upthread at ten twenty-something: that’s a good start.

Now, do it most every day, stay in character, and BE FUNNY DAMMIT!

And then maybe, just maybe, you will grasp a pebble from Redneck Convert’s hand.

Off to watch me some football.

By Corporal of the Guard

January 18, 2009 3:56 PM | Link to this

To Midori

That’s because you have to pay close attention to my posts. I am not your normal conservative. I am complicated because I :

1) Try to be honest, candid and fair. 2) Criticize my own kind if need be. 3) Apologize/Admit when I “think” I am wrong.

I going for the Cards. They last won the year I was born ……….. 1947 ….. :o)

To AmVet

We don’t always agree on everything but I hear you on the draft. It’s not the country we grew up in. Some of that is good but much of it is bad.

Semper Fi.

By Mrs.Godzilla

January 18, 2009 4:04 PM | Link to this

Iz dere foozball today?

EEK!

Bono doing In the Name of Love.

I do hope y’all are celebrating the peaceful transistion of American leadership. There’s been “Mee-Maw” dancing in the kitchen.

Please try some of our hope. It’s good for what ails ‘ya.

Yes, it’s good.

By Midori

January 18, 2009 4:05 PM | Link to this

Corporal,

it does appear that the Cardinals want it more than the Eagles.

They are playing with fierce gumption.

By AmVet

January 18, 2009 4:13 PM | Link to this

Corporal,

Yep, you and I are “opposite sides of the aisle” on various issues, but I have NO problem with that. And, you have asked that the unprovoked personal attacks stop. I admire that.

Besides, this world would be very boring if we all thought the same, wouldn’t it?

We, Dusty the Gracious?

Your opinions are not bolstered by incorrectly using a plural pronoun.

So you think I hate you? Are you so full of yourself that you really think you are that important to me? What a laugh.

But, if it makes you feel better, and clearly it does, keep speaking for others in an effort to lend credence to YOUR cheerleading for the nearly ended BushCo debacle.

If after eight years of this garbage, you still have nary a clue, well……what can I say?

Midori, the Beagles are struggling so far.

Less than 44 hours.

By Midori

January 18, 2009 4:22 PM | Link to this

AmVet,

22 percent and failing/falling

She sure has a, um, er, “lot” to cheer about.

By Uncle Sam

January 18, 2009 5:47 PM | Link to this

By AJC/DNC Management

January 18, 2009 6:03 PM | Link to this

May the best bird win.

Helluva good game.

By RW-(the original)

January 18, 2009 6:30 PM | Link to this

Since this place is crawling with people from Chicago could some of you weigh in on any curses that might have been placed on the Chicago/St. Louis/Arizona Cardinals before I begin thinking about visiting Vegas for the Super Bowl?

Thank you in advance and as great as that game was I suspect it’ll be an afterthought when the next game is done. Let’s all hope Ray Lewis doesn’t add to his body count.

By AJC/DNC Management

January 18, 2009 6:48 PM | Link to this

A moment of humor from another bird, the Iowahawk-

{{{{Barack Obama makes history as the first African-American sworn in as President of the United States; Invoking legacy of Franklin Roosevelt, promises America “nine years of economic depression, four years of world war, eventual nuking of Japan”}}}}

{{{{Obama supporters left disappointed as oceans remain at static levels, planet fails to heal self, Dow drops below zero}}}}

Or is it humor?

By AJC/DNC Management

January 18, 2009 7:16 PM | Link to this

Um, the ground can’t cause a fumble, duh.

By RW-(the original)

January 18, 2009 7:21 PM | Link to this

AJC/DNC-M,

Unfortunately with the new rule the ground can cause an incompletion though.

By Dusty

January 18, 2009 7:24 PM | Link to this

Poor AmVet,4:13

Yes, “we” as “in general”. The attitude of liberals is well know in general.

You can’t even understand “gracious” when it is applied to the attitude of liberals. Then Midori comes running up to support poor lil AmVet. Wants to mention President Bush one more time to prove HER liberal attitude.

I hope Libs get over their unpleasant behavior. Obama seems gracious. Sensible! What’s the matter with his followers?

By Midori

January 18, 2009 7:34 PM | Link to this

here’s looking at you, Dusty

By Dusty

January 18, 2009 7:36 PM | Link to this

Welllll

I know. I know.

The Ravens are the black and whites and the Cardinals are the gold and black.

Uh oh..the guy that needs a haircut just jumped on top of all the rest!

Where, oh where is Masterpiece Theater???

By AJC/DNC Management

January 18, 2009 7:39 PM | Link to this

B’more may want to consider making some adjustments.

They ain’t even ready for all this.

By Dusty

January 18, 2009 7:40 PM | Link to this

Thanks, Midori, but I will leave the cartoons for you.

Are you playing for the Ravens or the Cardinals? Touchdown!! 55 yards! Wow…

By AmVet

January 18, 2009 7:53 PM | Link to this

It is more or less official now - George Walker Bush was the least effective (eclipsing even Carter), most derided (eclipsing even Nixon) president in modern American history.

Granted, he had to deal with two major calamities - 9/11 and Katrina. And how he and his staff (mis?)handled them is at the heart of this matter.

After those attacks (Uncle Sam is IMHO correct in his assessment of them), when we needed much reason and cautious, deliberate action we got hyper-excited, deceptive and partisan misinformation and fear mongering. That and an arrogant impulsivity based on a personal grudge.

After a brilliant start in Afghanistan!

Nonetheless, many of us hold him responsible for, what is in my opinion, needlessly losing those 4,228 American lives in Iraq. Along with the “collateral damage”. And if he is correct that he has created a longstanding island of a sane, stable, pro-American democracy in that sea of islamomadness, I’ll publicly eat every last word. But I just don’t think it’s going to happen. Never have.

When we needed immediate, coordinated and compassionate help after Katrina we got slow mo disregard and bureaucratic inertia. And more glad-handing and excuses.

And in a major way, our ugly little “secret” was then finally out in the open. For all to see. The poorest among us - white, black, brown, yellow or red - ALWAYS go to the back of the line. Does anyone really believe the response would have been the same for an equal disaster in Hollywood? (Florida or Cali.)

And now it appears that there are dark economic times ahead for many of us.

And some, of course, will blame Obama. But these seeds of destruction were sown long ago. And they have been faithfully tended. Ike was right about the military industrial complex. And swindlers and crooks simply used it to implement gangster capitalism. And in so doing, parted us fools from our money.

So by any imaginable measure, Bush, his cronies, his sycophants and especially this horribly cheap GOP imitation of conservative ideology (which was incredibly swallowed hook, line and sinker by gullible millions) have been abject disappointments. And yes, failures.

And now the nation reels under an enormous, growing burden, thanks to this eight year blunder of an administration nearly bereft of ethical governance and financial responsibility.

So, future generations of Americans will pay a VERY heavy price for the “mistakes” and criminal actions of these dishonorable men who were drunk with unregulated power and wealth, and the selfish inactivity of those co-conspirators who were elected to protect us and did not.

And though the blame certainly, is not theirs solely, there is the distinct possibility that due to the “consequences of a sustained orgy of excess and reckless behavior”, this hemorrhaging, outdated, untrustworthy and intransigent GOP may not be truly relevant again for years.

Just as in 1933, when the come-to-be beloved FDR replaced the ineffective Hoover, now, 76 years later, another Democrat of enormous promise again replaces, amid a slew of crises and perhaps a new Great Depression, a Republican with poor problem-solving skills .

Good luck, Mssrs. Obama and Biden.

You will need it and the nation is eager to help…

By Corporal of the Guard

January 18, 2009 8:18 PM | Link to this

To AmVet

Agree.

One more thing on the draft.

A few months back I read where some of our pompous generals were against the draft because “the quality of our professional Army would decline”.

I guess they weren’t talking about the lowering of their own standards including intelligence test scores, criminal records and over-weight.

I served with Marine draftees and you couldn’t tell the difference not to mention WWII was won with a 66% draft rate. Someone needs to send them back to History 101.

By AmVet

January 18, 2009 8:33 PM | Link to this

It has been a while, Corporal, but I remember talking with others here about if the “screw up” rate in the military has changed.

I kinda feel, it hasn’t. Much.

I have no way of actually knowing of course, because I’ve been out for over three decades.

But I sense that there are still plenty of dead-enders, misfits, uncaught criminals, etc…

As well as the brightest, most professional, greatest people I have ever worked for and with.

And they do try to weed out the worst, of course, but I agree that lower academic abilities, and more physically unfit recruits is a bad thing. And, as everybody knows, there’s been no draft since 1973, so it’s been voluntary since then.

By Greg Mendel

January 18, 2009 9:29 PM | Link to this

“And, as everybody knows, there’s been no draft since 1973, so it’s been voluntary since then.” — AmVet

Well, sorta. Most people who enlisted since 1973 figured they’d serve 3 or 4 years, depending on their hitch. When I was coaching soccer, one of my players enlisted in the army right out of high school (like I did, long ago). He’s a sniper, part of the original Iraq invasion with the 101st Airborne. After the invasion, he served another tour in Iraq and another in Afghanistan. He was discharged two years ago.

But, we have what’s called “stop-loss.” After being discharged and working as a EMT/fireman (and recently married), this young 24 year-old who has known nothing but war since 2003 has been recalled and will be deployed to Iraq in March. Four combat tours. Three tours in a self-inflicted disaster. One tour in a monumental screw-up.

It disgusts me. Who is responsible for sending this patriotic young man back and back and back and back until his luck runs out? George Walker Bush — and his supporters. The chickenhawks who love war — as long as they and their families don’t have to fight them. They can plead innocent for 2000, but they’re guilty as hell for electing and perpetuating the slaughter in 2004. They have blood on their hands. George Bush is responsible for the debacle of Iraq, along with his cheerleaders who continue to maintain that history will eventually exonerate him.

Maybe it will. “He kept us safe.” Did he really “keep us safe?” Since FDR, only one president was warned of a surprise international terrorist attack on our soil. That would be George W. Bush.

But, the jury is still out. Bush may eventually be revered for his policies and leadership. Just like the jury is still out on Adolf Hitler and Josef Stalin and even Herbert Hoover. Despite the Holocaust, historians may eventually conclude Hitler was a force for Good — along with the Inquisition and slavery. And that the Great Depression was, well, great!

Keep the faith, wingnuts. His feckless, bloody legacy is yours.

By Corporal of the Guard

January 18, 2009 10:56 PM | Link to this

To Greg Mendel

I agree. This stop loss stuff may not be technically illegal but it is IMMORAL.

I bet if it involved just ONE politician’s son you would see the law changed before you could say Ooo Rah.

Disgusting !

By AmVet

January 18, 2009 11:09 PM | Link to this

Me three.

Hagel and Webb tried to stop it.

But The Support the Troops guys would have none of it.

I called it loving them to death.

36 hours and change…

By Dusty

January 18, 2009 11:53 PM | Link to this

Oh another blighted liberal, Greg Mendel. He wants to join Bush with Hitler, Stalin and the concludes that the Bush legacy is a feckless, bloody one. He complains bitterly about the policies of the finest military in the world, America’s armed forces.

Maybe he is another expert like AmVet who hasn’t been in the military in thirty years but wants to declare today everything is wrong with it. Poor old Corporal who probably hasn’t been in the service in forty years, doesn’t even know that there are sons of politicians serving in the military. Biden’s son is in the military and so is Sarah Palin’s son. There are others.

Why don’t you old complainers sit back and support the military and encourage the country instead of proclaiming your ancient woes to everybody who will listen? Go get a rocking chair and sit on the porch and take it easy. We appreciate your service but don’t try to ruin those that followed you. They need support now just like you did when you served. Telling them how sorry they are is not the way to do it.

My father, mother and uncle are buried in the National Cemetery at Beaufort, SC. My husband and son have served in the military. You seem to forget how many served and honored this country. You seem to have lost your own allegiance. Your comments show nothing but disrespect for our current troops and President Bush. It is very hard for me to have any respect for you.

By Corporal of the Guard

January 19, 2009 12:36 AM | Link to this

Sorry Dusty but like so many others you are naive and totally miss the point.

1) Stop loss is immoral because it’s a backdoor draft.

2) There are a few political sons and daughters out there but there should be hundreds.

3) We know exactly what it feels like because we got zero support when we were in.

4) 58,000+ names are on that wall and I vowed I would not be silenced. I support our troops because they deserve it. What they do NOT deserve is the 3,000 to 4,000 lives that were lost in the Iraq debacle due to insufficient planning, lack of proper equipment and lack of overwhelming numbers of troops.

5) Dulce Bellum Inexpertis (War is Sweet for the Inexperienced). You have no moral right to even talk about my allegiance.

6) Have a nice day.

By GayGrayGeek

January 19, 2009 6:25 AM | Link to this

Corporal - As you should well know, “Providing demonstrable, irrefutable facts” is to “Dusty” as “Teaching to sing” is to “Pig”.

By DB, Gwinnettian

January 19, 2009 7:47 AM | Link to this

Wow. Corporal and Amvet on the same page.

Glad I stumbled in here. Interesting stuff, guys. Thanks.

By Uncle Sam

January 19, 2009 8:53 AM | Link to this

I got robbed while I was off at work one day. The police were able to catch the little miscreants — a local gang of teenage kids working under the direction of a local “adult” who handled the disposition of the merchandise. I went to court and testified about the burglary and the items that were stolen. A couple of the thieves were old enough to be given a choice — prison or the army. They chose the army. I wonder what ever came of them. Did they go on to be all that they could be.

By Dusty

January 19, 2009 11:29 AM | Link to this

Dear Corporal,

I have every right to say what I wish to say. Serving in the military is an honor but it does not curtail the speech of those who are not veterans.

If you discourage the military as you are doing (even though you were discharged many years ago), it does no credit to you. If the army is doing something illegal or the nebulous accusation of “immorality” then you should talk to your members of congress.

I believe that George W. Bush served in the National Guard as a pilot as his records show. Do you think it is “illegal” or “immoral” that Democrats continually lie and even fabricate phony records to incriminate the President who actually served?

You have joined the group of liberals who continually fabricate lies about service in the military. If that helps the country or the military I cannot see how. If terrorists who wish to destroy all Americans read these anti-military posts, they wiil be encouraged.

Don’t pay too much attention to GGGeek. He ran off to Canada because the USA did not suit him. That was a good move for us.

By Corporal of the Guard

January 19, 2009 11:54 AM | Link to this

To Dusty

1) You have a legal right but no moral right to condemn my allegiance.

2) You continue to miss some of my points because you don’t realize that as a true conservative I call it like it is for Democrats or Republicans.

3) Yes, Bush served honorably as a pilot (and that training was more dangerous than what most people do in the military) but he and Rumsfield cost hundreds of American military lives through their ineptness and refusing to listen to experienced combat generals. I will not be silent on that issue.

4) The current military continues to abuse patriotic military personnel through stop-loss and the backdoor draft. I will not be silent on that issue.

5) Congress continues to abuse patriotic military personnel by not reinstituting an impartial draft so that the burden of the war on terrorism is shared more equally by American families. I will not be silent on that issue.

6) The military (especailly the Army) is so strapped for new recruits that they are lowering their standards beyond what is acceptable. I will not be silent on that issue.

7) True patriotism and true standing up for our troops goes beyond rhetoric ……… it involves giving them the tactics, equipment and personnel they deserve.

Those who have been there know that …….

By Dusty

January 19, 2009 2:18 PM | Link to this

Dear Corporal

I know nothing about your morals but I do read what you write here.

You consider yourself a expert on all things military although you haven’t been in the military in decades. I think that is a bit of self promotion.

Do you not admire Abe Lincoln who changed generals several times before he found one who could win? Did that make him a bad president?

Please name the country who has a better armed and trained military than the USA? There isn’t one.

Any military has a few that are not up to par. They are a very small majority. You try to make such a happening as a predominant characteristic which is not true. You complain about the citizens who protect us at all costs while overlooking the sacrifices they make.

HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN YOUR OWN MILITARY SERVICE AND COMPLAIN ABOUT OTHERS WHO NOW SERVE? I think so. I will discuss this subject with you no more.