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DEL.ICIO.USObama lays it on the line about economy
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
In a speech at George Mason University in Washington, President-elect Obama painted a stark picture of the crisis confronting the nation:
“We start 2009 in the midst of a crisis unlike any we have seen in our lifetime - a crisis that has only deepened over the last few weeks. Nearly two million jobs have now been lost, and on Friday we are likely to learn that we lost more jobs last year than at any time since World War II. Just in the past year, another 2.8 million Americans who want and need full-time work have had to settle for part-time jobs. Manufacturing has hit a twenty-eight year low. Many businesses cannot borrow or make payroll. Many families cannot pay their bills or their mortgage. Many workers are watching their life savings disappear. And many, many Americans are both anxious and uncertain of what the future will hold.
I don’t believe it’s too late to change course, but it will be if we don’t take dramatic action as soon as possible. If nothing is done, this recession could linger for years. The unemployment rate could reach double digits. Our economy could fall $1 trillion short of its full capacity, which translates into more than $12,000 in lost income for a family of four. We could lose a generation of potential and promise, as more young Americans are forced to forgo dreams of college or the chance to train for the jobs of the future. And our nation could lose the competitive edge that has served as a foundation for our strength and standing in the world….
It is time to set a new course for this economy, and that change must begin now. We should have an open and honest discussion about this recovery plan in the days ahead, but I urge Congress to move as quickly as possible on behalf of the American people. For every day we wait or point fingers or drag our feet, more Americans will lose their jobs. More families will lose their savings. More dreams will be deferred and denied. And our nation will sink deeper into a crisis that, at some point, we may not be able to reverse.”
That last sentence is the most chilling, and perhaps most important, in the speech. The stakes are that high. Full text here.
Comments
By Ray
January 8, 2009 12:14 PM | Link to this
Forget test scores! Any state that celebrates larger class sizes don’t need no stinkin’ low test scores to show off its ignorance – YEEEEEEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!
Suppose this could be a form of Darwinism? Will stupid states start eating their young?????????
How’s about we get rid of that pesky DUI nonsense that clogs up the courts?
Close Emergency Rooms?
By Serendipitous Stipend
January 8, 2009 12:24 PM | Link to this
Obama is one man. His speech was eloquent, but it did not stem the reality of our situation.
His stimulous package is inflationary. After WW1, germany printed money and they experienced 2 thousand percent inflation per day for three years.
That’s how Hitler happened. That’s what is going to happen to us and there’s nothing to stop it now.
The truth bookman hasn’t the courage to write is that we’re finished, it’s all over but the finger pointing, the crowing of a new fuehrer, and the inquisition and slaughter of millions of innocents to keep us occupied so the new fuehrer can fool all the people all the time.
W did this. Cheney did this.
There wasn’t supposed to be a war in Iraq.
By Davo
January 8, 2009 12:27 PM | Link to this
In other words:
Steady as she goes.
No change here; same old Keynesian cow manure. Print, spend, repeat.
By Midori
January 8, 2009 12:43 PM | Link to this
yeah Davo —
good thing that Texas turd and his cyborg sidekick expended so much energy to help the situation, isn’t it?
By getalife
January 8, 2009 12:48 PM | Link to this
Much better than w but that bar is at ground level.
“WE ARRIVED AT THIS POINT DUE TO AN ERA OF PROFOUND IRRESPONSIBILITY”
Voluntarily asking the corrupt Congress and greedy Wall Street to change is very naive.
Only handing out life sentences will bring about that change or perhaps some Chinese accountability.
By For States rights
January 8, 2009 12:51 PM | Link to this
Once again this “opinion column” was cut and paste. Great work Bookman….so origional…maybe you can print Franklins speech and print one sentence of your own and call it a day.
By sunshine and thunder
January 8, 2009 12:53 PM | Link to this
A lot of rhetoric filled with hot air.
You want jobs?
Do something about what’s sending them overseas:
Taxes. The tax code and accompanying interpretations now total over 60 thousand pages. And after BO gets through with it it will be even larger.
Over regulation. Why do business in America when you must buy a toilet with Al Gore’s picture stamped on it or if your plant construction must be halted if you disturb the migratory habits of the Alabama blue rat bird?
Threat of litigation. Lawyers and their democrat dog washers have added billions of dollars to the cost of everything we do.
Union wage scales. Off the charts. You can get the same labor overseas for a lot less. This includes the minimum wage whose only purpose is to jack up union contract raises.
Did you hear any of those addressed in Obama’s speech today?
I didn’t think so.
By WHAT'S YOUR SOLUTION
January 8, 2009 12:54 PM | Link to this
For those of you that have so many negative things to say about the job that Mr. Obama is trying to do, what are you suggestions? What would you do to balance the budget. What are you doing for yourselves to get by? What are your little “tricks” that work for you and make your world and finances flow smoothly. I would love to hear how some of you are making it, and what would you differently if you were in his shoes!! For those of you that are expecting him to come in and clean up this mess immediately are slightly delusional!! It took us 8 years to get in this mess and it will take us a lifetime to get out. But I will await your responses….what do you suggest he does!! If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. The state that we are in right now does not just affect Republicans or democrats, blacks or white, its affecting us all. Spewing hate and I told you so is not a solution to the problem. Sitting around pointing fingers at the Bush Administration is not going to fix the problem, expecting Barack to clean this mess up overnight is just plain stupid, and doing nothing is going to make it worse, so again I ask you, what are your suggestions?
By Jake
January 8, 2009 12:55 PM | Link to this
‘Priming the pump’ was around long before Keynes, and he never advocated deficit spending when the economy was strong, he said that’s when you tighten up and pay down the debt. And Midori, a large part of this goes back to Barney Frank and friends in the Clinton Administration. They started the push to put people in houses they couldn’t afford. It just blew up when the Comptroller set aside the predatory lending rules in 2005 and all the greedy bankers made those insane NINJA loans because they could get 2 1/2 points up front and sell the mortgage to Fannie. Somehow I don’t think buying 2nd term votes with $500 handouts is going to solve the problem.
By getalife
January 8, 2009 12:57 PM | Link to this
Yay, gop idealogy from sunshine. Stay the course.
Nevermind, that is the same thinking that got us where we are today.
Insane.
By Serendipitous Stipend
January 8, 2009 12:57 PM | Link to this
This comment is translated from the lost book of Nostradomus: “Lame ducks and bears on walls: collateral damage and terror reign: Things are bad. People who have job security dont care. Expect a new generation of gangs on our streets. Baby boomer gangs of criminals aligned for survival, and expect gang wars in our streets. Baby boomers shooting at X-generation.
That will be all the excuse cheney will need to hire blackwater mercenaries to shoot americans at will in our streets for law and order.
Cheney will emerge as the new napoleon hitler stalin guy.
The above quatrain is from the lost book of Nostradomus. I have translated it from the original geek into modern Keynesian dead scat bounce.
By Midori
January 8, 2009 12:58 PM | Link to this
Jake,
did it hurt when you pulled that Barney Frank strawman out of your @ss?
By Taxpayer
January 8, 2009 12:59 PM | Link to this
You want jobs. Fire the Republicans and we can start to undo the mess that they have created. At least more and more Americans are starting to see the light. The Republicans are no longer in the majority.
By DefinitionsPending
January 8, 2009 1:07 PM | Link to this
I continue to wait for Obama and company’s definition of “tax cut”, who it applies to, and HOW it differs from welfare (while still calling it a tax cut for those who don’t pay taxes)????
Seems Obama and Co. continue to re-define and use a number of “warm and fuzzy” terms for taking from those who earn their money and giving it to those who don’t!!!!
By wyldbyllhyltny
January 8, 2009 1:07 PM | Link to this
Jay, please read Midori’s profane, homophobic, unprovoked rant against Jake which was posted at 12:58.
That sort of behaviour is unsavory and, left unchecked, will have a chilling effect on the blog and those who participate.
I suggest you remove the post and, perhaps, consider banning that serial foulmouth and namecaller, Midori.
Midori’s mindless parrotting of moveon.org talking points adds little to the intellectual content of the blog.
By CommunistAJC
January 8, 2009 1:09 PM | Link to this
Bookman, once again you fail to live in reality. Government can not and will not solve this. If government could solve this then we would NEVER have a recession ever again. Make sense? First it was 700 million to solve the problem. Didn’t work. Now he wants 1 trillion. For what? The people he is talking about giving tax breaks to don’t even pay taxes. Its’ welfare. Jay, I have an MBA from Duke. You have a simple bachelors degree from Penn State, right? So, I guess that would make me smarter than you. Right?
By Mrs. Godzilla
January 8, 2009 1:09 PM | Link to this
Let’s see….
Any idea by any of the crew that supported Bush and failed conservative economic policy VS. Obama’s way.
No contest.
Obama’s way.
By @@
January 8, 2009 1:10 PM | Link to this
Well of course Obama paints a stark picture, jay.
If not, he and the politicians wouldn’t be able to hold the keys to our hope.
Conveniently, for me, he mentioned a $12,000 loss of income. That’s something my husband endured for two years due to expense cuts — the two years that Obama was campaigning to become OUR!?! hope.
We are none the worse off for having endured it. It sure has heck wasn’t because of anything Obama did or cannot do.
A failure to plan is a plan to fail.
By Swami Dave
January 8, 2009 1:11 PM | Link to this
I truly hope that soon-to-be President Obama and his administration succeed, but quite frankly for anyone near 40 years old, we’ve seen this show before. The Carter years of double-digit unemployment and interest rates & inflation in the 15-20% range were the results of the very actions Obama is proposing (and, sadly, the current administration has been doing recently as well).
Interestingly, that environment (called “stagflation” for those too young to remember it) led to some of the most unsustainable, “greater-fool” theory “investing” (actually, rampant speculation) than at any time prior. At the point that the currency is being devalued at a rapid rate, the drive to exchange dollars for anything else exacerbates speculative market bubbles (and busts).
How long before Obama declares that the “solution” to our energy woes is “putting on a sweater”? Oh, that’s right - he’s already told us that we can do it by inflating our tires.
You are correct, Jay; the stakes are high. I simply hope that that I am wrong in my assessment that he doest not know how to play the game.
-Swami Dave
By CommunistAJC
January 8, 2009 1:11 PM | Link to this
Taxpayer, Your ignorance is showing. The republicans have not been in charge since 06. You want to point fingers then point them at Barney Frank and the rest of the idiot dems who got us in this mess and will end up sinking the country.
By Midori
January 8, 2009 1:14 PM | Link to this
Wild Bill:
So, it’s only OK when you make curt comments, huh?
Funny thing is, I still didn’t go to your depth of nastiness with my remark that you find so much offense in.
Pot meet kettle.
By Bottle Rocket
January 8, 2009 1:20 PM | Link to this
I’ve noticed something interesting on Jay Bookmans so-called blogs. What I’ve noticed is that the same peons blog on this website on a daily basis. I have to ask this question to the following “bloggers.” Midori, Mrs. Godzilla, Taxpayer etc… Do any of you actually have jobs? This is a serious question because I’ve noticed over the past few weeks that the three of you are on this particular blog day in and day out.
By The Attorney/Surgeon Corporal
January 8, 2009 1:21 PM | Link to this
This is a recipe for disaster.
……… and I’m not the only one who thinks so.
WASHINGTON (AP) - President-elect Barack Obama’s proposed tax cuts are running into opposition from senators in his own party who say they won’t do much to stimulate the economy or create jobs.
By Morningstar
January 8, 2009 1:23 PM | Link to this
By sunshine and thunder January 8, 2009 12:53 PM Union wage scales. Off the charts. You can get the same labor overseas for a lot less. This includes the minimum wage whose only purpose is to jack up union contract raises.
ROFL! Geez! You are correct about that overseas labor. Companies relocating South America, Mexico et. al. You betcha those employees are now receiving a living wage!
Perhaps you and many uncaring others would care to exchange houses with ‘those people’ who now work for those relocated companies for a couple weeks? Sort of like that stupid TV program, “Wife swap.”
Many of those ‘bad people’ here in the U.S.A. are now earning the federal minimum wage of $6.55 per hour. Now ‘those people’ are making their mattresses lumpier and lumpier, in addition to saving and investing in a personal 401K. They will never need Social Security. Right?
Oh, ‘scuse me, I’ve got mine, and they shoulda found a way to get theirs. Silly me!
By AJC/DNC Management
January 8, 2009 1:32 PM | Link to this
Yeah, whatever.
Now when the economy gets better, as it always does, Oblahmasan can crown hisself champion and supreme dimwit, to the applause of all the other dimwits of course.
How pedestrian.
By Weez in trouble
January 8, 2009 1:35 PM | Link to this
I can say, with 100% accuracy, that Obama is now the black Jimmy Carter. Everything he is saying about government solving our problems is Jimmy 2.0. Yippeeeeeee! 11% unemployment, inflation through the roof and more terrorist attacks! YES WE CAN! DIE!!!!
By Bosch
January 8, 2009 1:37 PM | Link to this
Mrs. G.,
Did you see Luckovich’s cartoon today?
Sometimes the pure socialist in me comes out and I wish that everyone would lose their job, house, etc. and we could just start over. Kind of a freaky Darwin experiment or something.
By Mrs. Godzilla
January 8, 2009 1:38 PM | Link to this
Bottle Rocket
Nice to meet you.
You obviously spend as much time here as I do or you wouldn’t know how much I am here.
And since I don’t ever get to see everything Taxpayer or Midori post, leads me to believe you’re here more than the 3 of us combined.
Now, follow me on this….if you are here more than us, but bottle rocket is a new name, do you just read and count posts or are you switching names right now because you have nothing better to offer.
Now to answer your query…I am both an employee and an employer and wouldn’t benefit from Obama taxcuts…..so I do alright.
That said, it appears you are a twit.
By sunshine and thunder
January 8, 2009 1:40 PM | Link to this
MORNINGSTAR
Your mindless babble in italics. Mine in straight up judeo/christian English.
ROFL! Geez! You are correct about that overseas labor. Companies relocating South America, Mexico et. al. You betcha those employees are now receiving a living wage!
Of course before the companies came they were starving. After the companies came idiot Hollywood starlets started boycotting the items they made over labor issues and threatened to cause starvation again.
*Perhaps you and many uncaring others would care to exchange houses with ‘those people’ who now work for those relocated companies for a couple weeks? Sort of like that stupid TV program, “Wife swap.” *
Oh so now we’re “uncaring”. Pal, there is nothing more dishonest than a tyrant who claims to work for the betterment of mankind when all he really wants to do is control mankind.
“The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it.” [H.L. Mencken]
Many of those ‘bad people’ here in the U.S.A. are now earning the federal minimum wage of $6.55 per hour. Now ‘those people’ are making their mattresses lumpier and lumpier, in addition to saving and investing in a personal 401K. They will never need Social Security. Right?
What’s with the scare quotes around bad people. Did someone else use that term? Funny how you put words in my mouth. It’s you who uses that term, not me.
If you want to rely on social security for anything when you retire you are a whole lot dumber than everyone of the low income people I have taught saving and investing to over the years. I didn’t have to teach them that social security was a worthless promise - they already knew!
Oh, ‘scuse me, I’ve got mine, and they shoulda found a way to get theirs. Silly me!
Why don’t you admit what you really believe: you don’t have yours because you have made poor decisions in your life so you want the government to steal mine and give to you.
By Bosch
January 8, 2009 1:43 PM | Link to this
Mrs. G.,
Weird - notice Bottle Rocket didn’t mention Andy or Corporal.
By Bosch
January 8, 2009 1:44 PM | Link to this
sunshine and thunder,
What the hell is judeo/Christian English?
By Bottle Rocket
January 8, 2009 1:47 PM | Link to this
Mrs. Godzilla, Twit? Not hardly. I’d go as far as to say you are the twit. Especially since I’ve noticed how asinine your comments are. If I were your employer I would fire your lazy butt in a heartbeat. I wonder how much money you cost your company with your lazy ramblings and name calling?
By RW-(the original)
January 8, 2009 1:47 PM | Link to this
You’ll be happy to know that in just the last few minutes Obama has been officially declared the President-elect.
I guess it’s time for a new phony seal.
By Bottle Rocket
January 8, 2009 1:49 PM | Link to this
Bosch, I didn’t see any Corporal or Andy comments today. I was going after the ones who I have seen here on a daily basis. Weird, huh.
By Taxpayer
January 8, 2009 1:49 PM | Link to this
Commie,
If I wanted your opinion, I’d give it to you. Keep that in mind in the future and you can save yourself from at least appearing so ignorant.
By Morningstar
January 8, 2009 1:49 PM | Link to this
So many in this country live in a fantasy land, and sincerely believe them and theirs will always “have,” regardless of what happens. Surprise, surprise. Remember those who took the big jump during the depression?
Of course not all of Obama’s plan will work. Not all of Roosevelt’s worked, but the country as a whole was much improved due to his actions.
IMHO, we’d better HOPE some of Obama’s plans work. Anyone with half a brain should know what doesn’t work. We’ve had 8 years of that bunk.
Oh, and who the heck ever heard of a ‘tax cut’ for someone who doesn’t submit a tax return? Again, LMAO!
Some of us noticed the unemployment rate for Georgia increased to 7.5% as of November 30, 2008. The national rate is 6.7%.
SOLUTIONS @ 12:54PM. What are your solutions? Please, pretty please, not cutting taxes for the rich. They did so much for the country after Bush’s big freebie didn’t they? Geez! They saved us from the mess we’re in.
Unhuh, and I’m sure if taxes were an employer’s paradise, we’d see those investments made, employees hired, and no relocations to third world countries.
I’m personally going fishing the remainder of the afternoon, while I pray for more rain.
By Mrs. Godzilla
January 8, 2009 1:50 PM | Link to this
Bosch
it’s oy vey already!
it’s matzo cobbler!
it’s first holy barmitzvah!
By mm
January 8, 2009 1:51 PM | Link to this
Yes, we still have wingnuts claiming poor people caused the housing crisis.
NEWSFLASH: The poor were a small percentage of the people who bought houses they couldn’t afford. Look around you. Do you see any $50,000 - $100,000 homes with foreclosure signs in the yard?
NO!! It is the homes over $100,000, usually above $250,000.
Usually wingnuts trying to live beyond their means.
By CommunistAJC
January 8, 2009 1:52 PM | Link to this
More stupidity from Husseins hometown. This is why government is stupid and incapable of running anything.
CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN. LITERALLY.
Chicago Public Schools’ cappuccino bill: $67,000
‘A WASTE OF MONEY’ | Report says staffers skirted rules to buy 30 coffeemakers, changed athletes’ grades, falsified addresses.
ART GOLAB Staff Reporter agolab@suntimes.com
Chicago public school bureaucrats skirted competitive bidding rules to buy 30 cappuccino/espresso machines for $67,000, with most of the machines going unused because the schools they were ordered for had not asked for them, according to a report by the CPS Office of Inspector General.
That was just one example of questionable CPS actions detailed in the inspector general’s 2008 annual report. Others included high school staffers changing grades to pump up transcripts of student athletes and workers at a restricted-enrollment grade school falsifying addresses to get relatives admitted.
In the case of the cappuccino machines, central office administrators split the order among 21 vocational schools to avoid competitive bidding required for purchases over $10,000. As a result CPS paid about $12,000 too much, according to Inspector General James Sullivan. “We were able to find the same machines cheaper online,” he said.
“We also look at it as a waste of money because the schools didn’t even know they were getting the equipment, schools didn’t know how to use the machines and weren’t prepared to implement them into the curriculum,” Sullivan said.
CPS spokesman Michael Vaughn said CPS plans to change its purchasing policy so that competitive bidding kicks in when a vendor accumulates $10,000 worth of orders, no matter how many schools are involved. One person was fired and disciplinary action is pending against three others, he said.
The grade-changing took place at an unidentified high school, where student athletes grades were boosted, then, after transcripts were issued for college admission offices, the grades were changed back. The culprits could not be identified because passwords allowing entry to the grading system were shared by a number of people, Sullivan said. A new record system has tighter security, he said.
At Carson Elementary, an overcrowded school in Gage Park where even neighborhood kids were restricted from enrolling, five lower- level employees got six relatives into the school by falsifying addresses. Sixty-nine students from outside the attendance area got in, but they didn’t even bother to lie about their addresses. CPS had to spend as much as $252,000 to bus kids who live in the neighborhood to other schools, Sullivan said.
Vaughn said the employees involved have resigned, been fired or will be fired.
By What now???
January 8, 2009 1:55 PM | Link to this
Before I say what I am about to say, let me state that I am not a Republican, I am not a Democrat, I am an Independent. I do and have voted both ways, and sometimes refused to vote for either. Now…
If one studies why the theories of Karl Marx (communism/marxism) ultimately failed, it is because taking from those who are willing to work hard and produce, and giving it to those who are not willing to work hard KILLS INCENTIVE to work and produce. If there is no reward or incentive for working harder/longer/better, then eventually the people stop working. It is human nature.
I came from a poverty stricken background, but have done well. Since I am single with no dependents, I get slammed in every paycheck and take home about half of my gross income. If government keeps taking more and more away from me and others like me to give to someone who is not willing to work but still thinks he/she is “entitled” to the plasma TVs, nice cell phones, the nicer cars, the bigger houses, then sooner or later they WILL “kill the goose that laid the golden egg”. Then we will all go under together…and soon the lady on TV who announced that since Barack Obama was elected, she will not have to worry about her mortgage, or her car having gas will get a big dose of reality. When there are no longer those who are willing to buy her gas, and pay her bills, who will do it?
This is not a slam at Obama. So far most of his decisions have seemed to be “centrist”, but can he stand up to those in his party who advocate a modern day “Robin Hood, rob from the rich and give to the poor” taxation system?
My point is that if those of us who have been successful have to sacrifice, what about others? People seem to be good at suggesting how others should give up something, how others should sacrifice.
Simple Economics 101,
By Taxpayer
January 8, 2009 1:56 PM | Link to this
Bottle Rocket, eh.
Interesting choice for a handle but judging from your post, I must say that I find it most appropriate. You obviously know that every time a bottle rocket goes off on its short-lived rant, it spews hot gas out its, well, you know, don’t you. Afterward, it’s just all used up and ready for the dung heap.
By Hmmmmm
January 8, 2009 1:57 PM | Link to this
The end is near…..
By CommunistAJC
January 8, 2009 1:58 PM | Link to this
PULLED:
Commie, back off the personal attacks or be banned.
By RealityKing
January 8, 2009 1:58 PM | Link to this
Every president over that last 25 years has come into office with a plan to balance the budget. Obama is already a dismal failure..
By Bosch
January 8, 2009 1:59 PM | Link to this
Does anyone see the contradiction in Bottle Rockets post at 1:49 or is it just me?
Mrs. G. @ 1:50,
Yeah, I guess. That was funny.
Back to Luckovich’s cartoon, is that you or Mr. G.?
By Bottle Rocket
January 8, 2009 2:01 PM | Link to this
Taxpayer, Bottle rockets spew gas? Last I checked it was gun powder. Dung heap? A place I’m sure you’ve been to many times. Oh wait, that was the bathroom stale at the Atlanta airport.
By mm
January 8, 2009 2:02 PM | Link to this
Commie with the stolen MBA,
Please name one bill the dems in congress passed that has hurt this country.
Can’t find a single bill they passed at all?
That’s because the sorry Republicans blocked them all.
By CommunistAJC
January 8, 2009 2:03 PM | Link to this
What now???, I’d be careful with your economics posting. The trolls on this site don’t want to hear facts. They live to worship at the hairy feet of Obama Hussein. Anyway, Jay Bookman will not want to read about your economic facts because according to him government is the answer to all of lifes problems. And besides, half the people on this blog love Karl Marx.
By Bud Wiser
January 8, 2009 2:08 PM | Link to this
The light is always darkest before death.
National Suicide Day - Nov 4, 2008 - our newest holyday to worship the arrival of the Messiah.
America is dead.
Long live the king.
By CommunistAJC
January 8, 2009 2:09 PM | Link to this
mm the troglodyte, I never said anything about a bill that the dems passed or didn’t pass. Your words not mine. Shall we go through Fannie and Freddie all over again? Shall we also go through the stupidity of Barney Frank and Charlie Rangel, who by the way is under federal investigation right now? By the way, what bill did the Republicans block? OH, that’s right, the $700 billion taxpayer bailout that 87% of the country was against. Gee mm, I guess egg is on your face. Go sell stupid somewhere else.
By Mrs. Godzilla
January 8, 2009 2:09 PM | Link to this
Bosch ….
I had to chastise Mike once before about using my visage without appropriate compensation!
And yes, political cartoons put 15,000 pounds on ya’.
Me and my 200 ton tushie….I think it turns Commie on. He likes big butts and he cannot lie…..
Seems bottle rockets another dud.
By mm
January 8, 2009 2:11 PM | Link to this
Someone please explain to me how rescinding Bush’s tax cut for the rich is socialism.
And he’s cutting taxes for anyone making under $200,000 (middle class)
I still havent’ heard him or anyone else say they would be expanding welfare or giving tax breaks to people that don’t pay taxes (yeah, only a wingnut could come up with a thought that stupid).
Do any of you geniuses even think about what Rush filled your head with before you run around repeating it?
By Taxpayer
January 8, 2009 2:11 PM | Link to this
Commie,
Then you clearly have no problems taking my advice. Now, behave and wait for it like a good little student.
By CommunistAJC
January 8, 2009 2:13 PM | Link to this
Bookman, Sure I will back off with the personal attacks. Maybe you should also inform Midori about personal attacks as well.
By Bosch
January 8, 2009 2:16 PM | Link to this
Mrs. G.,
To borrow from Queen, fat bottom girls make the world go round! :-)
By Morningstar
January 8, 2009 2:17 PM | Link to this
Sunshine @ 1:40PM.
You comment that prior to companies relocating from the USA the people were starving. That is not my point. Of course a little is better than nothing.
My point was: Companies relocate to these countries so they can pay someone $1.50 per week. What happened to all the employees they canned when they sent the company abroad? Something absolutely must give in this department. And NO, they were not about to go broke if they didn’t relocate.
I also can’t forget Enron, but I digress…
Greed and avarice are the two ingredients that will send folks to hell in a ‘little row boat.’
My reference to ‘bad people’ does not mean I think anyone is bad. We are all God’s children. Remember Sunday School, at least where I attended, we were taught, “Red, yellow, black and white, we’re all precious in his sight.” I’ve never been one who sees race, and I WAS NOT talking about race, but economic status.
No, I don’t believe anyone can change the world, but it’s my duty as a Christain to do what I can in my little corner.
By mm January 8, 2009 1:51 PM
mm: You are correct, they don’t do their research. Well, maybe they do, but they don’t like what they find, and spin it.
It was not the poor buying houses that created this mess!
By Taxpayer
January 8, 2009 2:18 PM | Link to this
Bottled Gas,
I would offer to teach you the basics in ballistics and propulsion but you will need to complete some prerequisites first. Let’s get you started with basic addition and then we’ll move you up to multiplication once you’ve demonstrated some proficiency… This will take a while so just do the work and we’ll get you there in no time. 1+0 =?
Come on, don’t take too long. We’ve got a long way to go with you.
By CommunistAJC
January 8, 2009 2:18 PM | Link to this
mm, Obama has changed his definition of rich three times. First, it was those making over $250,000, then it was 200 and finally 150. Taking money from people who’ve EARNED it and giving it to deadbeats who don’t work IS SOCIALISM! These so-called evil rich people employ the majority of this country. There are reasons why people are rich and people are poor. IF you make good life choices then you will be better off financially. If you have 10 babies out of wedlock before high school graduation then you will be living off the government. Oh, good job, bash Rush. At least Rush has made his money the honest way unlike Obama and the clowns of Chicago.
By Midori
January 8, 2009 2:20 PM | Link to this
When Communist glows up, it ain’t gonna be pretty.
Shall we do a countdown, like NASA?
Communist,
please show where I attacked YOU personally.
thanks in advance.
By CommunistAJC
January 8, 2009 2:20 PM | Link to this
Taxpayer, I take advice from successful people. That would not include you.
By Swami Dave
January 8, 2009 2:21 PM | Link to this
What Now
The disconnect that you highlight arises from the reality (never admitted) that proponents of marxist philosophy (or its derivatives) know that it is a failed model that kills incentive, hinders advancement, and serves to simply spread misery. They reality is that its proponents do not continue trying to implement because it will be beneficial to the governed. They continue trying to implement it because it acquires power for those governing.
The benefit (to the governing) is its creation of and support for a perpetual cycle of confiscation from earners / owners to fund transfer payments to their identified (and controlled) interest groups. In exchange for the theft and wealth transfer, they get votes and acquire more power.
It is truly an insidious model since, at its core, it falsely promises advancement, but must keep interest groups dependent (and controllable) to justify its continued existence.
It is unfortunate that so many are so quick to fall for a philosophical model that creates a bogus “equity-based” justification for what is basically government-enabled theft through redistribution. It is equally unfortunate they fall for the same model that creates a bogus label of “shame” to someone such as yourself who simply expects to keep that which you earn.
It was for this basic reason that I (long ago) coined the phrases;
“Truth, History, and Common Sense refute Liberalism.”
Freedom and Opportunity work when you do.
-Swami Dave
By Bosch
January 8, 2009 2:23 PM | Link to this
Commie,
What has Obama done while earning his living that is dishonst?
Just curious.
By Bottle Rocket
January 8, 2009 2:24 PM | Link to this
Taxpayer: Oh boy, my two year old has more sense than you do. Did you eat a lot of lead paint as a kid?
By DB, Gwinnettian
January 8, 2009 2:26 PM | Link to this
“Taking money from people who’ve EARNED it and giving it to deadbeats who don’t work IS SOCIALISM!”
Duke called. They want their degree back.
By RealityKing
January 8, 2009 2:26 PM | Link to this
If Obama progressively defines “a crisis of a life time” as 6.7% unemployment…, how ever will we define his 120% National debt to GDP legacy??
By What now???
January 8, 2009 2:26 PM | Link to this
@MM
Someone please explain to me how rescinding Bush’s tax cut for the rich is socialism. Okay, I will give you this point perhaps.
And he’s cutting taxes for anyone making under $200,000 (middle class) …at the end of the election his running mate Biden was saying “families making under $200,000”, he also eventually used the term $150, 000, and no mention of “singles making ???”.
or giving tax breaks to people that don’t pay taxes on this you are just plain wrong. Part of Obama’s pre-election proposal DID promise to send “tax rebate” checks to people who paid no taxes. Now, they are talking about an immediate stimulus that would lower the withholding taxes, implying that one would have to be “payiong taxes”, but that too can just as easily include those who pay very little withholding and get it back thru the “earned income credit”. Go check it out.
By CommunistAJC
January 8, 2009 2:27 PM | Link to this
Bosch, Let’s ask Tony Rezko and the good Governor Blago!
By Bosch
January 8, 2009 2:27 PM | Link to this
Commie,
Couple more things:
In this country, we do not TAKE things from people who work and GIVE them to others who don’t.
and
Say you make good life choices (whatever that means) and you still wind up poor?
By Midori
January 8, 2009 2:27 PM | Link to this
And what has Rush done while earning his living that is honest?
The fat lying gasbag hasn’t told the truth in years.
The drug addled hypocrite.
By Bosch
January 8, 2009 2:29 PM | Link to this
Communist AJC,
Ask them about what?
And while were at it, what defines success, as in a “successful person?”
By CommunistAJC
January 8, 2009 2:29 PM | Link to this
Midori, When I glow up? GLOW UP? What does that mean? Also, I NEVER said that you attacked me personally. You should really read before you shove your foot in your mouth. I was referring to the insults from your earlier postings.
thanks in advance
By Taxpayer
January 8, 2009 2:31 PM | Link to this
The way the job losses are going right now, it won’t be long until the definition of “rich” will be “employed”. I see many people have lost $100+k/yr jobs and are saying that they’re happy to get $50k/year now. Once Obama takes over, I’m sure he and the Democrats will be able to slowly undo the screw-ups left by the Republicans. It will take time though. So, be patient you whiny Republicans.
By mm
January 8, 2009 2:32 PM | Link to this
OK then Commie, how did the Dems being in charge cause this mess?
Please provide us with some “facts”.
As for Fannie and Freddie, see my 1:51 post.
By Bud Wiser
January 8, 2009 2:33 PM | Link to this
cat fight
By CommunistAJC
January 8, 2009 2:33 PM | Link to this
DB, Gwinnettian or Midori or Mrs. Godzilla or Bosche, all the same deadbeats.
DB, Gwinnettian, besides hurling empty rhetoric can you please instead enlighten this Duke grad on basic economics?
SOCIALISM: a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
Any questions there DB, Gwinnettian? Spread the wealth is exactly what Hussein said he was going to do.
By AJC/DNC Management
January 8, 2009 2:34 PM | Link to this
Now today’s Obamacrats are apparently going to try and Hooverize President Bush in an effort to shield themselves from the potential political fallout of a prolonged recession. It will take years to fix the American economy, Obama says, and years of trillion-dollar budget deficits to do it. And everyday it seems that Team Obama tries to lower economic expectations, such as bearishly predicting that unemployment would hit double-digits.-USNewsAndWorldReport
So what happened to hopeandchange, I thought electing Oblahmasan would bring sunshine and prosperity?
Why didn’t he tell us all these terrible things when he was making all those unfulfilled kampaign promises?
Was it ignorance or was he lying?
By DB, Gwinnettian
January 8, 2009 2:36 PM | Link to this
“So, be patient you whiny Republicans.”
Shortest. Inaugural Speech. Ever.
By CommunistAJC
January 8, 2009 2:36 PM | Link to this
mm, Here you go!
This all started in 1995 when the Clinton Administration relaxed the rules for minorities to buy homes. Clinton wanted to make it easier for them. The problem was, the Democrats made it too easy. No down payment, no credit checks, and no income verification - a sure fire receipt for international disaster. Trillions of dollars in mortgages were loaned out to people that had no chance to ever repay them.
The legislation was called the CRA (Community Reassessment Act). Following that, Fannie Mae relaxed its criteria for buying these mortgages from banks.The people involved with all of this were all Democrats: Rep. Barney Frank (D), Sen. Christopher Dodd (D), Jim Johnson CEO of Fannie Mae who left with a 26 million dollar golden parachute in 1999 (D), and Franklin Raines, African American CEO of Fannie Mae from 2000-2004 who left with a 96 million dollar golden parachute. They are the principal culprits along with Dodd’s pet organization, the nationally discredited ACORN.That’ s who caused this mess, not Bush and not the Republicans. This was a fiasco engineered by the Democrats for minority homebuyers who couldn’t qualify under normal conditions. And I fear these included illegal immigrants. After that, everybody got into the act.
Such terrible lending practices brought about the entire collapse of all these companies. Trillions of dollars of bad loans engineered by politics rather than good finance. These people should all be investigated for fraud. Oh yes, here’s the killer: Fannie Mae gave one million dollars to Chris Dodd’s campaign and one million dollars to Barack Obama’s campaign.Need I say more?
This crisis had nothing to do with Bush or the lack of Republican concern for regulations. In fact, the only US Senator who stood up in 2004 and said we needed to control Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac before their house of cards collapses was – JOHN McCAIN!!!! And he was ridiculed by Democrats.
By Bosch
January 8, 2009 2:37 PM | Link to this
This is horribly off-topic, but I just read an article about today being Elvis’ 74t birthday.
The man is dead and wasn’t really all that talented - move on.
By tcoach
January 8, 2009 2:38 PM | Link to this
I’m confused a little. And please do not take this as an attack against our next president.
Is this stimulus package, that he wants enacted asap, the only stimulus package or is this on top of the tax cut to 95% of working Americans campaign promise?
Mm, If our next president does still intend to Cut (or lower) taxes for 95% then that would in a sense be similar to welfare. Look up the statistics I am pretty sure 95% of all working Americans do NOT pay taxes in. Therefor if that demographic receives a tax CUT then in turn it would mean the government gives them extra money, other than the wages they worked for.
However if our president elect does not intend to lower taxes for 95% then you are correct there will be no welfare.
We can just chalk it up to another politician lying on the campaign trail to get get votes about a policy they never intended to implement.
By mm
January 8, 2009 2:42 PM | Link to this
Obama has never said he’s going to give money to people who do not work.
As far as rebates going to people who didn’t pay taxes, that is a lie. The rebates only go to people who filed a tax return. Some people who made under a certain amount got all of their payed taxes returned to them in their refund. Big difference.
But you wingnuts think it’s ok to cut corporate taxes when in fact about 50% of large corporations pay no taxes at all due to writeoffs, tax breaks, etc.
Sorry wingnuts, your lies only fool the minority (Republicans).
By CommunistAJC
January 8, 2009 2:42 PM | Link to this
Bosch, Elvis had no talent? Sure Bosch, keep telling yourself that. All while the money keeps pouring in to Graceland.
By Jake
January 8, 2009 2:44 PM | Link to this
Just look at the foreclosures, they include $150K homes bought by people with $30K income and $350K homes bought by people with $70K income. They sold too much home to poor and middle class people. Midori - The rudeness doesn’t bother me but I find your ignorance of Barney’s role and the Straw Man logical fallacy appalling.
By CommunistAJC
January 8, 2009 2:45 PM | Link to this
Bosch, By the way, if Elvis had no talent then why is he THE most celebrated singer of all time? Even Paul and John acknowledged that. I believe that Michael Jackson himself aspired to be like Elvis.
By mm
January 8, 2009 2:47 PM | Link to this
Tcoach at 2:38,
Look up the statistics I am pretty sure 95% of all working Americans do NOT pay taxes in.
Has anyone ever seen a dumber statement on this blog? EVER?
Commie at 2:36. Please provide a link to your cut and paste. All bets are that it’s from a wingnut site.
By Taxpayer
January 8, 2009 2:48 PM | Link to this
Commie,
How would you care to go about proving your hypothesis regarding whom is the “successful” one amongst us? I’m game. Are you? Put up or shut up and I’m willing to hand it over to Jay to handle the challenge in its entirety. How about it, mouthpiece? Loser forks over an amount as specified by Jay to his favorite charity.
By Bosch
January 8, 2009 2:50 PM | Link to this
Commie AJC,
True enough. But he wasn’t all that musically talented.
Got anymore thoughts to those other questions I asked?
Just curious.
And fascinating story before. It’s too bad that the Republican ran Congress for 14 years (1994-2006) - and the six years Republicans had both the White House and Capitol Hill - they couldn’t stop those dastardly Democrats.
By CommunistAJC
January 8, 2009 2:52 PM | Link to this
mm, You most certainly do not understand how business is run. Seriously, take an economics course at your local community college. Do you really believe that corporations don’t pay taxes? What companies don’t pay taxes? I’d love to know because I have yet to find one that doesn’t. High taxes are the reason why companies are leaving the states and heading elsewhere. Geez dude, get with it! Learn something about business instead of throwing around garbage.
By the way, remember last years REBATE checks to stimulate the economy? IT DID NOT WORK! Bush and the dems were asking for 700 billion dollars to bail out the auto industry. Guess what? Nothing happened! It didn’t solve anything and now they are asking for more money.
By Taxpayer
January 8, 2009 2:54 PM | Link to this
Bottle Rocket,
Quit trying to skip your assignments. That strategy clearly did nothing for you in the past. I’m trying to help you but you must cooperate.
By Bud Wiser
January 8, 2009 2:55 PM | Link to this
By tcoach
January 8, 2009 2:38 PM | Link to this
I’m confused a little. And please do not take this as an attack against our next president. ….
Mm, If our next president does still intend to Cut (or lower) taxes for 95% then that would in a sense be similar to welfare. Look up the statistics I am pretty sure 95% of all working Americans do NOT pay taxes in. Therefor if that demographic receives a tax CUT then in turn it would mean the government gives them extra money, other than the wages they worked for.
Uh, mr tcoach, I am sure that last sentence was a typo, especially the part about “.. the government gives them extra money, other than the wages they worked for. You do mean that the government allows them to actually keep the money they worked for, don’t you?
Obama hasn’t taken the reins yet, so the soon to be referred historical era of the “Era of Giveaways” hasn’t quite begun yet.
The liberal mentality.
Now THAT’S an oxymoron if I’ve ever seen one!
By sunshine and thunder
January 8, 2009 2:56 PM | Link to this
JUST A FEW QUESTION FOR OUR FRIENDS ON THE LEFT
What should the maximum federal tax bracket be?
What should the minumum wage be?
bonus:
If you work hard all your life, go to school, study hard, start your own business, work 80-90 hours a week for years without a vacation, without dating, without driving a nice car, without buying designer clothes, but instead, pour all your money back into your business and employees, how much money should you be allowed to make and keep?
By Hillbilly Deluxe
January 8, 2009 2:57 PM | Link to this
According to what I can find, the last time this country had no national debt was in the administration of Andrew Jackson. The debt has been piling up for years under both Democrats and Republicans. This has been building for a long time. First we need to stop the bleeding and then work on saving the patient.
By Mrs. Godzilla
January 8, 2009 2:59 PM | Link to this
Unlike the rest of the population, big US corporations and foreign owned corporations are getting out of paying tax, according to the latest Government Accountability Office report. Go to Table 1 and you will see that two-thirds of US corporations paid no tax between 1998 and 2005. And that number has been escalating.
By CommunistAJC
January 8, 2009 3:01 PM | Link to this
Bosch, I think I answered most of them. Anyway, look, I am not defending the republicans for their stupidity. I am just trying to clear up who exactly is responsible for this mess. I did that. We had a great economy after 911. The DOW hit 14,000 last summer. Unemployment was very low as well. The cards came tumbling down because of all the stupidity in congress. The republicans have NO leadership and left their conservative ways. I am not defending that.
mm, I tried to cut and paste the link. It cut it off several times when I tried to post it. Anyway, I found it on WSJ website.
Taxpayer, Your comments make no sense being that we can not put our personal info on this site. I’m not about to tell you my name or where I live. For all I know you are sitting in your moms basement wearing her dress and makeup all while plotting to burn down your neighbors house. Besides, I said I take advice from successful people. I don’t take advice from bloggers. Make sense?
By tcoach
January 8, 2009 3:01 PM | Link to this
mm, then show me why that is dumb.
I worked every year I was in college. I also worked ever since I graduated. Last year was the first year I did not get every dime I paid in back.
So see that is not paying taxes. If at that point in time I recieved any rebate it would have meant I was being paid (or given money) for work I did not do.
So show me smart one how does that mean I paid any taxes during my 4 1/2 years of college or the year after.
I considered it to be a savings account.
You do know how ignorant and much of a bigot you sound when you call everyone who does not agree with your ideology a wingnut right.
See how I never called you by anything other than your chosen name.
But that would require you to show decency and respect 2 things from reading your post you are incapable of.
If you cannot discuss things like an adult then it is pointless. Much like when my 2 year old throws a tantrum. It is best to just walk away and let them(2 year olds) scream, because they do not have the mental capacity to evaluate a situation and change from it. They are self centered and only see things from their point of view.
By CommunistAJC
January 8, 2009 3:05 PM | Link to this
Mrs. Godzilla, What companies? I’d love to know because I’d go as far to say that the companies that are paying lower taxes give lots of money to a particular political party. Ever wonder why the dems hate Walmart? It’s because Walmart is not unionized and therefore the dems can’t control it. Sam Walton may have been the smartest businessman who ever lived when he said that unions kill companies. He was right about that one.
By Taxpayer
January 8, 2009 3:05 PM | Link to this
Anyone that truly wants to learn about the credit crisis and how we got here should read this series. I have not seen a more thorough set of work from any other single source yet although I’m sure there will be others eventually.
P.S. These reports are likely beyond many Republican’s reading comprehension level so be prepared to explain a lot if any of them actually dare to venture forth.
By Bosch
January 8, 2009 3:06 PM | Link to this
sunshine,
I’ll tell you that when you can tell me what victory in Iraq means, and when Communist AJC can tell me what defines a “successful person.”
By CommunistAJC
January 8, 2009 3:08 PM | Link to this
Hillbilly Deluxe, Well said.
By tcoach
January 8, 2009 3:08 PM | Link to this
successful is in each individual own perception.
Whatever your own version of success is for you is your version and it is unfair to apply any one person’s rules of success to another. That person may not have the same set of goals as another.
Therefore unless 2 people have the same goals and are in the same field and situation there is not a scientific method to accurately show who is more successful than who.
By Mrs. Godzilla
January 8, 2009 3:12 PM | Link to this
gee whiz commie
something wrong with your google?
By Bosch
January 8, 2009 3:13 PM | Link to this
Communist AJC,
Whose John and Paul? The old Pope? He’s dead too. I liked that guy, but didn’t know he was so into old, talentless American musicians.
Anywho.
By Serendipitous Stipend
January 8, 2009 3:14 PM | Link to this
Victory in Iraq presumes a military battle where the enemy is an army. That happened quickly and mission accomplished was the VI day, victory in IRaq day.
Our army is still there. Nobody wants to talk about Iraq anymore. Our economy is DOA because of Iraq.
Can we still surrender to the sunni bathists? Let them pay for our bailout.
WHat’s wrong with that? Why do we have to take the fall? Is it because we’re christians and we think we’re supposed to get crucified to save the world? I mean that’s what Bush is causing here.
Uncle Sam is the new Christ.
W is a psychopath.
Conservatives can lick my…..
By CommunistAJC
January 8, 2009 3:15 PM | Link to this
Taxpayer, Wow, that was sommmmmme detailed time line. Izz could barely reads dat coluuuuum. Taxpayer, that was the lamest time line and explanation of what really happened. Not only did it leave out EVERY important detail but it didn’t even name the clowns who were in charge of it.
Bosch, A successful person is a person who works hard, finishes school, pays his/her own bills without relying on mommy and daddy, thinks for him/herself and pays off their own debt. Make sense? Winning in Iraq means killing off every last islamic terrorist in the region and handing over the country back to the people. Oh wait, we did win in Iraq. Guess that solves that one Botch!
By Bosch
January 8, 2009 3:16 PM | Link to this
tcoach,
Well, exactly, which is why I cringe when people try to use that term categorically.
By CommunistAJC
January 8, 2009 3:16 PM | Link to this
John Lennon and Paul Mccartney. Ever heard of them and their band The Beatles?
Anywho
By Taxpayer
January 8, 2009 3:17 PM | Link to this
Commie,
Your reading comprehension “problems” do not concern me. Like I said, I’m willing to leave all the details up to Jay. I’m certain that he can maintain the desired level of anonymity needed to ease your fears. I trust Jay to make the right calls and I’ve never even met him.
By CommunistAJC
January 8, 2009 3:19 PM | Link to this
Mrs. Godzilla, I asked you to provide the company names who don’t pay taxes. You didn’t provide any. Since you seem to know all about what companies do and don’t do please provide us all with names of companies who dont pay taxes. I’m sure the IRS would love to know.
By The Attorney/Surgeon Corporal
January 8, 2009 3:19 PM | Link to this
For Crying Out Loud!
WASHINGTON — President-elect Barack Obama is urging Congress to postpone the Feb. 17 switch from analog to digital television broadcasting.
Now I ask you, is this what President Elect Aytch should be focusing on??
Good grief ………….
By Davo
January 8, 2009 3:21 PM | Link to this
I saw the speech. Inspiring in the sense that Obama is an excellent orator and conveys the strength of his convictions well. The message…not-so-much.
Twice I heard him say something to the effect “…only the government can get us out of this mess.” I don’t think I heard the word ‘free-market’ once. I heard him throw around alot of blame; wall street, housing bubble etc etc. Where was the part he blamed rampant consumerism? You know…personal responsibility? You didn’t hear that because then you might stop spending, and well, that would really screw up this whole scheme of bailing out the economy.
I don’t see how any of this will work.
By CommunistAJC
January 8, 2009 3:22 PM | Link to this
Taxpayer, At least I don’t need Jay to provide my thoughts and opinions for me. Do you rely on Jay to feed and house you too? I have to ask this. Are you Jay’s secretary? Your man-crush on Jay is very funny. “I trust Jay and I have never even met him.” LOL, go put on your lipstick for Jay.
By Bosch
January 8, 2009 3:22 PM | Link to this
Commie AJC,
I’m just messin’ with ya’ - no harm.
But the victory in Iraq thing…..until we kill off every last Islamic terrorist? AND, we’ve already WON?
Wow, I missed that in the papers. Was it sometime during Christmas? I wasn’t paying attention to the news much then.
By sunshine and thunder
January 8, 2009 3:25 PM | Link to this
BOSCH
As much as it grates on the nerves of democrats the war in Iraq has been won. And that’s according to the 20 benchmarks that the democrats said would never be accomplished there.
According to Michael Yon:
“A fair-minded person could say with reasonable certainty that the war has ended. A new and better nation is growing legs. What’s left is messy politics that likely will be punctuated by low-level violence and the occasional spectacular attack. Yet, the will of the Iraqi people has changed, and the Iraqi military has dramatically improved, so those spectacular attacks are diminishing along with the regular violence.
Psst… I know some democrats and intellectuals have trouble reading the news but this story has been around.
A successful person is one who loves what he/she is doing and is good at it and supports the lifestyle that person desires.
By Taxpayer
January 8, 2009 3:26 PM | Link to this
Commie,
You are simply acting more and more childish with each post. Tell me, how many separate “pages” did you read while at that link that I provided.
By CommunistAJC
January 8, 2009 3:27 PM | Link to this
Davo, Hooray, someone with a brain has finally shown up. You need to understand that the majority of these so-called “bloggers” don’t understand economics. All they understand is change change change, hope yes we can. Details of how the world works is a puzzle to them. I’d bet that half these “bloggers” have fine arts degrees in finger painting.
By Correction
January 8, 2009 3:28 PM | Link to this
mm “As far as rebates going to people who didn’t pay taxes, that is a lie. The rebates only go to people who filed a tax return. Some people who made under a certain amount got all of their payed taxes returned to them in their refund. Big difference.”
So, my family did not see a dime from the “rebate” — so the term rebate was WRONG!!! And, how does Obama et al define “tax cut” and “middle class” and “being fair” and “patriotic” and…
By CommunistAJC
January 8, 2009 3:30 PM | Link to this
Taxpayer, I love how libs like to change the subject and name call when they can no longer debate. Not only did I read the entire article, I laughed when it left out every single name that was involved with the collapse. It did mention one republican but gee, that republican was not in charge of Freddie and Fannie. Nice try.
Bosche, I believe sunshine and thunder just answered your question. Thanks for playing.
By SL3
January 8, 2009 3:31 PM | Link to this
If they had only shown that clip of Obama 7 years ago in his important position of restaurant reviewer of a bait shop. What a country! From that to President of the US. It gives you a warm confident feeling doesn’t it?
By Copyleft
January 8, 2009 3:32 PM | Link to this
Wow… it takes guts to keep repeating the same tired old far-right economic cliches’, especially now that supply-side and laissez-faire polices have proven ONCE AGAIN to be an utter failure.
“Taxes are bad… especially on the rich-I-mean-enterpreneurs and investors! Too much regulation! We need to stop workers and consumers from organizing or having any rights!”
Sorry, but Friedman is dead and so is the supply-side nonsense he came with. Keynes is back, and business is going to be accountable to (and controlled by) the PEOPLE from now on. Capitalism serves us, not vice-versa.
By CommunistAJC
January 8, 2009 3:32 PM | Link to this
Correction, Illegal Aliens do not pay income taxes. A lot of illegal aliens did indeed receive tax returns. Those are the people I am talking about and therefore not a lie.
By CommunistAJC
January 8, 2009 3:36 PM | Link to this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04B3Wl2qouw
By Bosch
January 8, 2009 3:40 PM | Link to this
Commie AJC,
Thanks for playing? Well, you’re welcome. I’m so glad to know we won in Iraq. I’ll sleep better tonight. Wow, I can’t believe I missed that.
Davo,
I can’t remember when, but I definitely remember hearing Obama say in a speech during the campaign that we are all to blame for the financial mess.
I’m not all about the blame game now, I’m all about the solution game. Like I said earlier, I wish sometimes we could just all start over from scratch - just to see who the real survivors are.
By What now???
January 8, 2009 3:41 PM | Link to this
The answers are not that complicated.
1) Both people and governemnt have to stop spending more than they make,
2) The government is only a distribution agency and cannot solve the problems of everyone.
3) People have to become accountable for their own actions and decisions and not expect the government to always save them from themselves (i.e. those who KNOWINGLY bought more house than they could afford, with ARMs, used their “phantom equity” to get a second mortgage to buy more “stuff”, and assuming inflation would bail them out).
Notice that not once did I say liberal, conservative, Democrat, and Republican. This is an American problem. We have to start being accountable and paying the consequences for our decisions…all of us. As I have attempted to imply, we have to quit expecting something for nothing.
By Serendipitous Stipend
January 8, 2009 3:42 PM | Link to this
You’re not a liar, Andy. That would imply that you had a brain.
You’re simply a failed relic of the ditto head spin machine that keeps spinning, but only because there’s squirrels like you running the treadmill to keep it going.
You’re the dispicable legacy of a rank regime of fools, losers, and scoundrels.
The lowest man on the toppled totum pole of everything detestable in an undetected underworld of greed, hate, and murder. (Iraq, wallstreet, conservatism in general).
And you thought you were just being a moron.
By Mrs. Godzilla
January 8, 2009 3:50 PM | Link to this
commie
again
is your google broken?
you are one lazy putz.
By Taxpayer
January 8, 2009 3:51 PM | Link to this
Commie,
I asked you to tell me how many “pages” you read. Is that really so difficult for you. Then, there’s this post from you:
[[[By CommunistAJC January 8, 2009 3:22 PM | Link to this Taxpayer, At least I don’t need Jay to provide my thoughts and opinions for me. Do you rely on Jay to feed and house you too? I have to ask this. Are you Jay’s secretary? Your man-crush on Jay is very funny. “I trust Jay and I have never even met him.” LOL, go put on your lipstick for Jay.]]]
Do you care to explain why you refuse to accept my challenge and resort to more childish behavior instead. Come on, Commie. Surely, you can do better than that. There’s really no need to be so scared. I’m not the boogey man.
By Bosch
January 8, 2009 3:54 PM | Link to this
What now????,
Totally agree.
But how are we going to fight all those Islamo-fascists? That is EXPENSIVE. And how can we pay for things like bombs and cool guns when everyone is screaming for lower taxes?
By Bosch
January 8, 2009 3:56 PM | Link to this
Mrs. G. and Taxpayer,
Did you hear? We WON in Iraq! Isn’t that super fantastic?
By Morningstar
January 8, 2009 3:59 PM | Link to this
By What now??? still thinks he/she is “entitled” to the plasma TVs, nice cell phones, the nicer cars, the bigger houses,anuary 8, 2009 1:55 PM
Sounds like most of the kiddies that very fortunate Mommie and Daddy are sending off to college. Let’s HOPE they continue to enjoy the lifestyle of their parents.
By CommunistAJC January 8, 2009 2:18 PM IF you make good life choices then you will be better off financial
You might. Unless you elected to work for Enron, or another company that chose to move to a country where they could exploit labor, OR, have some type of illness in your family that depletes your resources in spite of insurance. There are MANY other scenarios but some will never understand until the ball is in their court.
By Bosch January 8, 2009 2:23 PM What has Obama done while earning his living that is dishonst?
Bosch, I too would really like to know the answer to this little quip! LOL!!!!!!!!!!
By Bosch January 8, 2009 2:27 PM Commie, In this country, we do not TAKE things from people who work and GIVE them to others who don’t. and Say you make good life choices (whatever that means) and you still wind up poor?
Bosch, some will never get it! I read somewhere that the way we believe had something to do with the universe (position of stars etc.) when we were born. I’m not into astrology, but when I am confronted with the wingnuts…..well..go figure
By @@
January 8, 2009 4:00 PM | Link to this
O.K., all you leftists….pony up, ‘cause this corporate enterprise is yours.
Porn industry seeks $5 billion federal bailout
I read where Lar was ecstatic about Obama’s win. Hoping for a “JUGS-FRIENDLY” administration, he was.
Well here’s the left’s chance to FILL UP (or should that be FEEL UP?) his jugs!
By RealityKing
January 8, 2009 4:05 PM | Link to this
Obama is creating more panic in the middle of trying to sell a new stimulus package…, what a fine example of liberalism America has elected.
By Mrs. Godzilla
January 8, 2009 4:09 PM | Link to this
OH BOY!
Mission Accomplished!
Let’s tear down a statue!
Let’s throw shoes at it first!
By Bosch
January 8, 2009 4:09 PM | Link to this
Morningstar,
Did you hear? We WON in Iraq! Isn’t that super fantastic?
I like astrology, I’ve always like your name. I’m quite the stargazer - being a flaky Pisces, what can I say?
By Midori
January 8, 2009 4:09 PM | Link to this
Bosch —
it’s Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious!!!
they’re all in a fantasy world.
By CommunistAJC
January 8, 2009 4:10 PM | Link to this
Mrs. Godzilla, Are you blind? I asked YOU to provide a list of the very companies you said were not paying taxes. Twice you failed to do so. So, I guess lazy is a good name for you dragon lady.
Taxpayer, What challenge, Forrest Gump? What challenge? I don’t speak stupid so you will have to clarify your lack of intelligence.
By jasper
January 8, 2009 4:11 PM | Link to this
No surprise that Obama will give us one doomsday scenario after another. He wins either way, he takes credit for it not being as bad as it could have been or for being accurate in his prediction.
Miracle watch - 12 days.
By @@
January 8, 2009 4:11 PM | Link to this
Bosch:
I’m not all about the blame game now, I’m all about the solution game. Like I said earlier, I wish sometimes we could just all start over from scratch - just to see who the real survivors are.
Keep a close eye on the left-wing Darwiniacs ‘cause they’re all about survival of a selective species if’n ‘ya know what I mean?
By sunshine and thunder
January 8, 2009 4:11 PM | Link to this
BOSCH
Of course you’d never know that we won in Iraq because you are incapable of reading anything other than the New York Times.
I’ll bet winning in Iraq is the abhorrent to you and the rest of your ilk. It means that the we’ve put another notch in our belts against the war on terror.
But you and yours just wanted to take Al Qaida to court and sue them. Boy you guys sure know how to be tough.
I hope we don’t have to rely on you for our security.
As the marines say: “we’ll take it from here.”
I hope you appreciate the following quote. It doesn’t sit well with girlie men who need their noses wiped:
“We sleep well in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm”. George Orwell.
OK, I answered your question, now how about mine?
By @@
January 8, 2009 4:15 PM | Link to this
If you’re willing to support Obama’s jugs then you should be more than happy to support Larry’s.
By getalife
January 8, 2009 4:16 PM | Link to this
Not to worry, the dems Senators are already attacking his plan.
Rahm will be busy getting the dems to flip flop like Feinstein.
Of course, they are spineless but not loyal.
By Disgusted
January 8, 2009 4:17 PM | Link to this
But how are we going to fight all those Islamo-fascists? That is EXPENSIVE. And how can we pay for things like bombs and cool guns when everyone is screaming for lower taxes?
Easy. We call upon the Federal Tooth Fairy. See, if we cut taxes by $200 billion and tax revenues increase by $16 billion per year, we can say, “See, revenues increased by $16 billion.” We sorta forget about the $200 billion we borrowed, plus interest, to make this increase possible.
If you can understand this explanation, then you have the makings of a fine Republican. Otherwise, you might have to follow the lead of Lord Byron when he wrote about Robert Southey: “Explaining metaphics to the nation—/I wish he would explain his explanation!”
By Bosch
January 8, 2009 4:20 PM | Link to this
sunshine,
I read lots of things other than the New York Times, please.
I’m ECSTATIC about our victory in Iraq, what are you talking about? That’s just so great.
I’ll be glad to answer your question, if you’ll tell me what the hell it is.
By @@
January 8, 2009 4:21 PM | Link to this
Oops! ‘scuse me, I see where some leftists have been pinned against the wall.
Will they break the hold or will they mold?
My monies on Sunshine and AJC/Comm
By Mrs. Godzilla
January 8, 2009 4:22 PM | Link to this
WRONG AGAIN COMMIE
If you check your 2:52 you tossed the question out without asking anyone specifically to answer.
Here is a copy of said post
By CommunistAJC
January 8, 2009 2:52 PM | Link to this
mm, You most certainly do not understand how business is run. Seriously, take an economics course at your local community college. Do you really believe that corporations don’t pay taxes? What companies don’t pay taxes? I’d love to know because I have yet to find one that doesn’t. High taxes are the reason why companies are leaving the states and heading elsewhere. Geez dude, get with it! Learn something about business instead of throwing around garbage.
I responded to the “Do you really believe that corporations don’t pay taxes?” with a PDF of a GAO report that proves that there are corporations that do not pay taxes.
Now, just because you asked me to do the balance of your your homework, does not mean that I am obligated to.
Lazy putz.
By Bosch
January 8, 2009 4:23 PM | Link to this
Midori,
Did you hear? We WON in Iraq! Isn’t that super fantastic?
Oh, I mean supercalifrigilisticexpialidocious.
Disgusted,
Oh, I see. The Federal Tooth Fairy. I’ll have to remember that one. Do you mind if I use that in casual conversation?
By Bosch
January 8, 2009 4:25 PM | Link to this
Jay Bookman,
Did you hear? We WON in Iraq! Isn’t that super fantastic?
By @@
January 8, 2009 4:26 PM | Link to this
‘Ya know Getalife, I was reading a very interesting article about Rahm. It seems as though he’s very good at conceding.
I really don’t know much about the guy, but seein’s how Obama’s caving on so many of his promises to the far-left, Rahm may prove to be a conservative plant.
By BSD
January 8, 2009 4:26 PM | Link to this
@ What Now: Yours is the only post that makes any real sense. Common sense and reason left the building a long time ago. Thanks for your post.
By Bosch
January 8, 2009 4:27 PM | Link to this
And Jay,
WHY IN THE WORLD, DIDN’T THE AJC PRINT THIS? ABOUT OUR VICTORY IN IRAQ? HAVE YOU HEARD? WE WON!!!
I’ll expect an article tomorrow, or I’m cancelling my subscription!
By CommunistAJC
January 8, 2009 4:29 PM | Link to this
Mrs. Godzilla, One: you butted in to a conversation without being asked. Two: I did ask you AFTER you butted in. Three: you have yet to show any company that does not pay taxes.
Witch!
By sunshine and thunder
January 8, 2009 4:30 PM | Link to this
Your 3:06 was in response to my questions at 2:56. So I complied. Is your train of thought losing its grasp? I know these are hard questions and most of you have never thought about them. Believe me, I have.
THAT’S what the hell it is.
I would love to see what the brilliant intellectuals of the far left have to say about it.
By Mrs. Godzilla
January 8, 2009 4:30 PM | Link to this
Bosch
When’s the ticker tape parade for all our returning heros?
I take vacation days to be there!
You coming too?
Maybe we can ride of the Order of Obama float?
By Taxpayer
January 8, 2009 4:30 PM | Link to this
Commie,
Now you’re saying:
[[[By CommunistAJC January 8, 2009 4:10 PM | Link to this Taxpayer, What challenge, Forrest Gump? What challenge? I don’t speak stupid so you will have to clarify your lack of intelligence.]]]
Are you serious? You cannot remember my challenge that you responded to with more of your childish rants. You really don’t have anything beyond silly name calling, do you. It’s no wonder that Jay has to scold you.
By Bosch
January 8, 2009 4:34 PM | Link to this
sunshine,
Oh, my bad, my answer? I don’t know. No clue.
But have you heard? We’ve won in Iraq!
By Midori
January 8, 2009 4:34 PM | Link to this
LOL, Bosch :)
You must contain your joy!!
what happened to all the sailors kissing the girls?
Or is that Sunshine and Communist?
By Dusty
January 8, 2009 4:35 PM | Link to this
Oh I feel poetic today,
Peace and quiet are the way.
Stop flimflam fires to blame and shame.
Learn how to play a fair game.
Not good to hate this nation’s team.
We hold together the American Dream
We are free and that we know.
A precious legacy we’ll never let go.
So act like you’re an American
And ‘specially proud that you are one.
Bloggers, throw some kisses and SMILE!
You’ll feel better (after ‘while).
By CommunistAJC
January 8, 2009 4:35 PM | Link to this
Taxpayer, I did indeed provide my definition of a successful person. I don’t accept idiotic challenges from feeble minded troglodyte such as yourself. Nor do I feel the need to kiss the butt of an ajc editor. I’ve stated my argument to you in an above comment. Read and decipher for yourself. Oh, and remember to pucker up for Jay.
By Mrs. Godzilla
January 8, 2009 4:36 PM | Link to this
Commie
again, you wish is not my command…..
you called me a witch!
commies and andies and ray OH MY
commies and andies and ray OH MY
just call me 200 ton Glinda…..now click your ruby red slippers together three times and go home!
By @@
January 8, 2009 4:37 PM | Link to this
AJC/Comm’s 3:05 Mrs. Godzilla, What companies? was specifically addressed to
Mrs. Godzilla’s 2:59 Unlike the rest of the population, big US corporations and foreign owned corporations are getting out of paying tax, according to the latest Government Accountability Office report. Go to Table 1 and you will see that two-thirds of US corporations paid no tax between 1998 and 2005. And that number has been escalating.
The mold is growing on Mrs. G.
tick tock tick tock….
By Bosch
January 8, 2009 4:37 PM | Link to this
Commie,
Witch? Really? You need to apologize to Mrs. G.
Midori,
Did I miss the soldiers and sailors coming home and all the kissing and hugs, and crying and stuff too? Dammit!
By What now???
January 8, 2009 4:38 PM | Link to this
@ Bosch
And how can we pay for things like bombs and cool guns when everyone is screaming for lower taxes?
A valid point. My question back to you would be essentially a similar question, who IS going to pay for them. Do you add more to the middle and upper class, do you raise corporate taxes, do you expect EVERYONE to contribute? I’m not advocating more tax cuts for the rich, I am saying that a whole bunch of the so called “well to do” should not have to always pay the bills for people who pay little or nothing, produce little or nothing, and expect more than a “subsistance”, they expect a comparable “standard of living”.
Regarding corporate taxes, who is Exxon, who is Microsoft, who is Archer Daniels Midland? My point is that you seldom really tax a corporation, you tax the consumers of that corporation’s products because taxes are just passed through to the consumer. You tax the people who hold mutual funds in their 401K’s because they are Exxon, Microsoft, and Archer Daniels Midland. They, you and I even, are Exxon.
Everyone wants someone else to do all of the giving, everyone always seem to think that the “evil rich” are the only culprits. Let me give you an example to think about for a moment. Would it be fair to say that there would be no mortgage crisis if everyone had paid their mortgage? Think about it. Not all, maybe not most people in default are in default because of job losses, those are a recent development of the recession. Most of the mortgage crisis was brought about by people buying houses they could not afford, with the hope that someday they could sell them to a bigger fool than they were at a higher price before the balloon burst. They did not make it, and the balloon did burst. Now they think the government is at fault, or predatory lenders are the cause. They made the decision themselves.
Now before you say it, I agree that the war in Iraq was probably incredibly stupid. I was an Army officer during and after Vietnam and I studied wars of insurgency and military history in the Army and advanced ROTC. Obviously no one in Washington did, because an outsider can seldom win a war of insurgency in the end without either 1) scorched earth (not practical), or 2)totally breeding with the conquered area and integrating their culture into yours (takes generations). I was lukewarm even when the spectre of WMD was an issue, and against it when it became obvious they never existed to any real dangerous degree.
Just saying that all should contribute, not everyone thinking everyone else has to do the sacrificing.
By Mrs. Godzilla
January 8, 2009 4:38 PM | Link to this
Midori
now that we won, we can scrap our ration books!
By Bosch
January 8, 2009 4:40 PM | Link to this
Mrs. G.,
That’s a great idea! We can block off a section of the float for Bookman’s Marxist bloggers! We can throw candy to everyone - Oh, I’m so excited. I’m going to practice my wave.
By @@
January 8, 2009 4:42 PM | Link to this
To all conservatives! Please take note how when our leftist friends are pinned, they begin talking to one another.
It’s a tactic that secures their ability to evade while at the same time allowing them to feel as though they are part of something greater than themselves or their abilities to debate.
This is rather entertaining.
By Mrs. Godzilla
January 8, 2009 4:43 PM | Link to this
Actually Bosch
I been keepin’ that whole witch thing on the down low.
When I get enough eye of Newt (gingrich, of course) I’ll take care of old commie…
Double, double toil and trouble; Fire burn, and caldron bubble.
By moonbat betty
January 8, 2009 4:45 PM | Link to this
wait! wait!!
there can be no victory in iraq for 11 days, 19 hours and 13 more minutes!
then we can start declaring victory!!
weeeeeeeeee
By Taxpayer
January 8, 2009 4:45 PM | Link to this
Now what little trinket has Commie deposited. Let’s have a look:
[[[By CommunistAJC January 8, 2009 4:35 PM | Link to this Taxpayer, I did indeed provide my definition of a successful person. I don’t accept idiotic challenges from feeble minded troglodyte such as yourself. Nor do I feel the need to kiss the butt of an ajc editor. I’ve stated my argument to you in an above comment. Read and decipher for yourself. Oh, and remember to pucker up for Jay.]]]
No response to my challenge. Lots more childish name calling from you though. Jay has good reason to treat you like a child.
By What now???
January 8, 2009 4:46 PM | Link to this
@ Bosch
That’s a great idea! We can block off a section of the float for Bookman’s Marxist bloggers! We can throw candy to everyone - Oh, I’m so excited. I’m going to practice my wave.
I like that comment, because it appeals to my own twisted cynicism, but one question…who pays for the candy? Before I jump on board, I have to know.
By sunshine and thunder
January 8, 2009 4:46 PM | Link to this
BOSCH MRS. G
You two are shameful. I wish nothing good for you. There have been a lot of deaths of our young people in Iraq and you mock them. We won the war in Iraq. Get it? It is only people like you who despise anyone in uniform that would deny that victory to them. They did it. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED. And you would take that away from them, their families, their sons and daughters, wives and husbands. Their sacrafice has been enourmous and you act like it was no big deal. I hope one of these days you figure out how unimportan you truly are.
By Bosch
January 8, 2009 4:48 PM | Link to this
Mrs. G.,
Well, that’s true. I actually think witches are awesome cool.
What Now??
Well, that’s the million dollar question isn’t it. I agree with what you wrote earlier. It seems we all want everything, but no one wants to pay for it, and until we realize what the hell it is we want to accomplish as a nation, or at least come to some kind of consensus, then things aren’t going to change, no matter who promises it.
By Bosch
January 8, 2009 4:50 PM | Link to this
What now??
I’ll spring for the candy, what the hell - victory in Iraq? That doesn’t come along every day ya’ know!
By Taxpayer
January 8, 2009 4:51 PM | Link to this
Who says the war in Iraq is over. Is that idiot Bush waving that stupid Mission Accomplished sign around AGAIN. These Republicans and their lies. At least there are fewer and fewer of them with each election.
By Bosch
January 8, 2009 4:52 PM | Link to this
sunshine,
Au contraire. You mock their deaths and sacrifice by making such a ludicrous claim of fictional victory.
By Bosch
January 8, 2009 4:53 PM | Link to this
And sunshine,
I know how unimportant I am.
By sunshine and thunder
January 8, 2009 4:55 PM | Link to this
LEFT NUTS
I see no one bothered to address my questions at 2:56.
Cowards.
Good thing none of you had anybody’s back in Iraq. We would have lost over there.
Just an aside, why are there so many scumbags on this forum?
Hate the military if you like but denying their sacrafice is beyond shameful.
By Pogo
January 8, 2009 4:55 PM | Link to this
Uh-oh. Those mean ole Democratic Senators are now saying, “Not so fast young sprout! We have been fattened on tax and spend economics and earmarks and we ain’t about to give it up for no young upstart like yourself, President Obama! We’ll show you who has the real power!” This is going to get really, really good in the next few months. Reid and Polosi. The Obamanators. And Obama is about to experience reality versus idealogy and that is a very tough lesson. It is almost enough to make me feel sorry for Obama. It IS enough to make me feel sorry for the American people.
By Mrs. Godzilla
January 8, 2009 4:56 PM | Link to this
HOW WILL I EVER LIVE WITH THE SHAME
Do you think they’ll call me the worst blog poster since 1776?
Here I thought, that since 3 or 4000 boys have been killed since magic mission accomplished day, we were still at war, and here I found we already won!
OH THE SHAME
Oh the MISERY
I weep.
By What now???
January 8, 2009 4:56 PM | Link to this
It seems we all want everything, but no one wants to pay for it, and until we realize what the hell it is we want to accomplish as a nation, or at least come to some kind of consensus, then things aren’t going to change, no matter who promises it.
So true, that is the problem…for all Americans, not just Democrats, Republicans, liberals, and conservatives. It is what it is.
By Davo
January 8, 2009 4:57 PM | Link to this
Did you hear the part in Obamas speech about buying American made?
Neither did I.
Now that Iraq is liberated and can govern itself, who do you think they will support in the current Israel-Gaza conflict?
By Mrs. Godzilla
January 8, 2009 4:58 PM | Link to this
throw candy???
let’s toss beads!
we can holler from the float, Show me your twits!
Guess who’ll appear?
It’s witchcraft, wicked witchcraft….
Or please do that voodoo that you do so well…
By Bosch
January 8, 2009 4:59 PM | Link to this
sunshine,
I answered your question. I don’t know. Do you? Please enlighten me with your overwhelming knowledge.
By Dusty
January 8, 2009 4:59 PM | Link to this
Didn’t you hear, bosch?
Battleship Galactica landed and the Neurons, Protons and Croutons made a salad out of cut’n’runners. Even Obamaton realized the big battle was over (WON!) and Rhamaton knew it too.
They said the new battle is with the budget. The cut’n’runners cried but they could not continue their protest for terrorism. They also cried because they could not place BLAME any more. Obamaton was top ‘ton now and what he said was galactic game law.
Preview for next week: Obamaton cuts the hand-out dressing for the Crouton’s salad and there is revolt.
By Morningstar
January 8, 2009 5:01 PM | Link to this
By @@ January 8, 2009 4:00 PM O.K., all you leftists….pony up, ‘cause this corporate enterprise is yours. ((Porn Industry seeks 5M bailout)) read where Lar was ecstatic about Obama’s win. Hoping for a “JUGS-FRIENDLY” administration, he was.
uw…..I would never access such a link! I’m not into porno. Neither am I into the bathroom and sexual incinuations that SOME ALWAYS project, anytime they appear. That, in my opinion, is failure to progress beyond a third or fourth grade level. Or, have they simply associated only with children and failed to correct them.
I love to read mysteries. However, when I get into a book and find the writer is focused on sex scenes, I simply place the book between two paper towels and place it into the garbage. Unless, the book may have SOME merits. If this is the case, I will donate to charity.
I’m not a prude. I loooooved “Dr. Zhivago” I’ve seen the movie many times, and read the book. I also loved and have the book “Bridges of Madison County.” As I recall, some dingbats critized the book……Oh well, as some would say here, getalife.
By CommunistAJC
January 8, 2009 5:04 PM | Link to this
Taxpayer, Asking me to tell you who is successful on this blog and who is not successful is a bit ridiculous. It’s not really a challenge. It’s like asking me what kind of car you or anyone else in here drives. Doesn’t make sense and neither does your challenge. Now go back to kissing up to Jay. I’m sure he loves it.
By Taxpayer
January 8, 2009 5:04 PM | Link to this
Oh! No one said that the war in Iraq was over. Someone just said there was victory in Iraq. Oh! So, in other words, there can be victory in Iraq without having an end to the war in Iraq. If there’s victory in Iraq, does that mean that there was a winner? Who won. By the way, I heard that Iraq made $60 billion dollars from oil in 2008 and that was in addition to the 100s of billions that we have spent over there. Isn’t that cool. We should treat people in other countries that nice also. Let’s see, which other countries have millions of people that need to be bombed and then rescued from us. I know. Let’s Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran. We could probably spend 100s of billions there too. Won’t that be fun. Republicans are such idiots.
By moonbat betty
January 8, 2009 5:07 PM | Link to this
obama brings change
obama brings victory
obama knows victory reeeeel good
11 days, 18 hours and 57 more minutes to victory in iraq!
weeeeeeeee
By @@
January 8, 2009 5:09 PM | Link to this
I heard the American made pitch from Obama.
I heard where he plans to cut Japan out as a supplier of our steel. I think that was on Shepard Smith’s show. The messenger and Smith both agreed that the price of steel and the products that are made of steel would rise considerably as a result.
I’m pretty sure Smith leans left. He’s goofy that way.
By sunshine and thunder
January 8, 2009 5:11 PM | Link to this
BOSCH
You wrote:
I answered your question. I don’t know. Do you? Please enlighten me with your overwhelming knowledge.
You didn’t answer. Try again. We all wait with bated breath.
Questions are at 2:56 if you can find the time to stop repeating the moveon mantra that the Iraq war isn’t won.
MIDORI
I’m not trying to make you look like an idiot. Really, I’m not.
By @@
January 8, 2009 5:16 PM | Link to this
Morningstar:
Good for you!
Please don’t elaborate as to why you have to place the questionable “literature” between two paper towels.
I’m not interested.
By Midori
January 8, 2009 5:18 PM | Link to this
HAHAHAHA,
Sunshine,
I bow in awe of your idiot making prowess!!
At least you’re good at what you do!!
Why not put out a how-to manual? You seem to have the market cornered. Or are you afraid of divulging trade secrets?
“Creating idiots for idiots by an idiot”
LOL!!!
By Taxpayer
January 8, 2009 5:18 PM | Link to this
New droppings from Commie:
[[[By CommunistAJC January 8, 2009 5:04 PM | Link to this Taxpayer, Asking me to tell you who is successful on this blog and who is not successful is a bit ridiculous. It’s not really a challenge. It’s like asking me what kind of car you or anyone else in here drives. Doesn’t make sense and neither does your challenge. Now go back to kissing up to Jay. I’m sure he loves it.]]]
Still suffering from an inability to locate you own post where you commented about my challenge. Still making the childish remarks. Still the same Commie that likes to be scolded by Jay. I see Commie will never learn.
By jasper
January 8, 2009 5:18 PM | Link to this
You kids are sure stinking up the pool today.
We have a national crisis about to occur in just a few hours, when College Football will again conclude without a clear National Champion. More discontent will pour on our malaise.
Oh Mr. Obama effectuate your change here and now, and we’ll name the Championship Trophy after you. Take the next 7 years off.
In the meantime blogosphere small minds from the party of cheaters cast aspersions at the small minds of the party of liars. You decide.
By AmVet
January 8, 2009 5:23 PM | Link to this
Some months ago I predicted that the worst administration in American history had one more debacle up their neocon sleeves.
I was not wrong - orchestrating the corporate destruction of capitalism certainly counts as but one more way they screwed us, our children and our grandchildren.
Granted even Dumb and Dumber are not solely responsible for the multitude of crooks and swindlers raping the American taxpayer. They just facilitated it. And grinned the entire time.
Only a few more days and these sorry excuses for leaders are toast. Now if only the emasculated dipsticks who voted for them would just move to Iraq. Or Afghanistan. Or…
It matters not though.
Come a week from next Tuesday, the nation will party for days! Maybe weeks!
01-20-09 The End of a National Disaster
By sunshine and thunder
January 8, 2009 5:29 PM | Link to this
The war in Iraq has been won. Why are troops still over there? The same reason troops are stil in Germany and have been since 1946.
The Iraqi’s can now live in peace and freedom and soon will be engaging in commerce with the rest of the world.
I know you left nuts can’t stand the idea of capitalism taking hold in Iraq but, believe me, they like it.
My guess is that a few months after BO takes office his handlers will advise him to declare victory.
Too late. Bush already handed that plum to him. Bush finished the job.
We’ll have an ally in Iraq like we do in Japan and Germany and we’ll both make a lot of money in international trade - raising the standard of living over there to modern western levels.
All of this is only going to happen if BO doesn’t muck it up. A very real possibility given his lack of anything remotely like experience in world affairs.
Also, he is a showman much like Bill Clinton. He’ll want to start legacy building from day 1. Putting his wet finger in the wind to see which way the political breeze is blowing before he acts.
We’ll long for the days when a president took an unpopular stand and showed true leadership.
By @@
January 8, 2009 5:30 PM | Link to this
PARTY ON a shoestring!
Alrighty din!
By Dusty
January 8, 2009 5:33 PM | Link to this
Ms Godzie COMPLAINING ABOUT WITCHES??
Midori has called me a witch many times. Pretty popular name with lefties.
Strange folks here. They hate our trooops and our victories. There’s a name for that but I won’t say it.
Midori,weren’t you in the military at one time? And you are running here with a crowd that disgraces them frquently and you joining in with the crowd (4:34)?
Like I said, strange folks on this blog.
By bj
January 8, 2009 5:33 PM | Link to this
That statement that “his highness” said today to the effect that “Govt is the only answer to this mess” sent chills down my spine. At least now my kid has a good topic for his social studies assignment for next week.
JB
By Bosch
January 8, 2009 5:34 PM | Link to this
sunshine,
As far as I’m concerned, we lost when the first soldier died in the sand on Iraqi soil, and the first Iraqi died by our hands.
Did you serve in Iraq? If so, thanks for your service, if not, shut the hell up.
By Bosch
January 8, 2009 5:35 PM | Link to this
Mrs. G.,
Much better idea. I like beads. I’ll pay for those too.
By AJC/DNC Management
January 8, 2009 5:38 PM | Link to this
Eh hehehehehehe-
Why Obama Should Channel the Gipper-David Corny, Mother Jones
And here we thought Reagan was “dead.”
bwa
By Mrs.Godzilla
January 8, 2009 5:39 PM | Link to this
Bosch
I’ll redistribute a couple a bucks your way.
By getalife
January 8, 2009 5:42 PM | Link to this
Well dusty,
When you say you are so old that you swoon over Alexander the Great, you are even a witch or a vampire.
By Dusty
January 8, 2009 5:42 PM | Link to this
BOOKMAN,
Would you please remove bosch? He is making insulting remarks to bloggers, the country and the military. Is that not enough? Maybe not for you but it is for me.
By GodHatesTrash
January 8, 2009 5:44 PM | Link to this
Bookman’s RightWingnuts have nothing to offer today except their usual bile, turd-throwing, and infantile superstitious stupidity.
Bankrupt morally, mentally, and emotionally; their fervent desire is to drag the rest of us down with them.
It is a murder-suicide pact with their Satanic masters.
By GodHatesTrash
January 8, 2009 5:48 PM | Link to this
Surprise, surprise - the “effing redneck” Wasillabilly can’t hold a job…
By AJC/DNC Management
January 8, 2009 5:50 PM | Link to this
If Bosch wants to call itself a loser, why should we care?
By Dusty
January 8, 2009 5:52 PM | Link to this
getalife,5:42
Who swooned over Alexander the Great? Not me. I mentioned his conquest for power.
Swooning is what you do with the Clintons. You kiss their feet almost every day. What do you call that?
By sunshine and thunder
January 8, 2009 5:52 PM | Link to this
Why did Bernie Madoff cheat? If he had anywhere close to 50 billion under management he could have a gross income of well over a couple of dozen million a year.
Where in the hell is all that money? Even a ponzi scheme has a hard time spending 50 billion.
By Dusty
January 8, 2009 5:57 PM | Link to this
Dear AJC/DNC 5:50
I hate anti-Americanism. That is why I care.
Today’s display here is pretty sick.
By Bosch
January 8, 2009 6:05 PM | Link to this
Dusty,
Did I make you cry? I’m sorry if I did. I hate our soldiers being killed for nothing. That’s all. I consider that the most anti-American thing there is.
I’m still gonna buy you that secret decoder ring even if you don’t take it.
Mrs. G.,
Thanks! But really I insist.
By AJC/DNC Management
January 8, 2009 6:07 PM | Link to this
Dusty: American soldiers are not “losers,” just ask any Iraqi.
Our soldiers have risked their lives to save innocent Iraqis and people who attribute the atrocities of al Qaeda to these brave men are no better than al Qaeda.
The real losers.
By Bosch
January 8, 2009 6:13 PM | Link to this
And Dusty,
Your opinion about me, like everyone else - means nothing.
Remember? I know how unimportant I am.
Why should Bookman remove me? When did I insult a blogger, our country or military?
By sunshine and thunder
January 8, 2009 6:14 PM | Link to this
BOSCH
You wrote:
As far as I’m concerned, we lost when the first soldier died in the sand on Iraqi soil, and the first Iraqi died by our hands.
Then you’re saying you’re a loser? Nothing in your tiny little existence is worth dying for? You have no reason to sacrifice yourself? You must lead a very unremarkable existence. The mothers of those young people who died in Iraq thank you for your snootiness, I’m sure.
Did you serve in Iraq? If so, thanks for your service, if not, shut the hell up.
I’ll speak when I wish. I think it goes without saying that you have never lifted a hand in the service of the country, military or otherise.
I served during Viet Nam.
That’s the other war your moonbat leftists managed to waste thousands of lives on.
You thought you could do the same thing to the military in this war. YOU LOSE!
Just one soldier is far better than twenty of you elitist, leftist snobs who have absolutely no idea what the real world is like.
By @@
January 8, 2009 6:18 PM | Link to this
I loved this statement from the company that employed Levi Johnston, who by the way, quit because it was causing too much controversy for the company that employed him.
The companies statement: In a written statement, the company said its electrical apprenticeship program eligibility requirements include a high school diploma or equivalent,
Best part: “but this is not a requirement MANDATED by the federal government.”
Pokin’ the liberal bear!
F-R-E-E-D-O-M!
By Dusty
January 8, 2009 6:19 PM | Link to this
bosch,
You don’t make me cry. I don’t cry for people like you. I cry for the military and their families who are sacrificing for us while you and your kind insult them.
Get yourself several decoder rings. Maybe it will help you untwist the kinks in your mind. Ms. Godzie could use one too.
By ray
January 8, 2009 6:19 PM | Link to this
bush is the loser, not the troops.
those who position the troops to shield criticism aimed at their incompetent commander in chief exemplify the lowest form of life.
our military was sent into iraq for no other reasons than free labor for business, and to serve as surrogate balls for queen b.
By Bosch
January 8, 2009 6:22 PM | Link to this
sunshine,
I have four people in my life that I would die for without thinking, and that’s the only thing that concerns me.
Actually I do lead a very unremarkable existence. I’m a perfectly happy person who lives my life to the fullest. I have a great life, but it’s not all that remarkable, pretty normal actually. I’m an artist, you see, very normal.
The only thing I’m a snob about is food. I’m pretty picky about what I eat. I don’t like bad food.
Thank you for your service in Vietnam, but that was a different war, different circumstances and different goals.
By AJC/DNC Management
January 8, 2009 6:22 PM | Link to this
O.K, I’m starting another pool.
When ever democrats enact their bright ideas, and it appears this Oblahmasan is a bottomless pit full of them, lots of innocent children wind up deader than hell.
So here is the question, which democrat idea will kill the most kids? (federally funded abortion does not count, that one’s too easy)
I got “alternative energy,” it was a serious toss up between that and “carbon taxes.”
By Bosch
January 8, 2009 6:26 PM | Link to this
Oh Dusty,
I cry for those families too - especially when they were forced to bury their dead - who died for absolutely no reason. I cry for them alot.
Your insult? My anger.
By Dusty
January 8, 2009 6:32 PM | Link to this
bosch,
Your last line @5:34 is what I call insulting among other things.
You also think you are humorous to downgrade our military and our country. I don’t think anyone laying their life on the line for our country is “humorous”.
I repeat. Your remarks are sick.
By Bosch
January 8, 2009 6:35 PM | Link to this
And Dusty,
I’m really glad I didn’t make you cry. That would make me sad. :-(
By Dusty
January 8, 2009 6:35 PM | Link to this
bosch@6:26
Your anger? Your ignorance!
By Grumpa
January 8, 2009 6:37 PM | Link to this
The Vietnam war was fought to insure the rights of hippies to have peaceful demonstrations and sit-ins and sleep-ins and Instant Karma and Woodstock and to teach Dick Nixon how to make a peace sign. WWII — those were the good old days. The days when men were men. The days when Uncle Sam actually had us fight the dirty stinkin’ Commies instead of sleepin’ with ‘em. That’s right. When there weren’t any Nazis around to whoop, we just went lookin’ for Commies. Now the closest we get to beatin’ those Commies is in a cage match after gettin’ all pumped up on Commie-made steroids from Wal-Mart. At least they only cost four bucks for a 30-day supply.
By getalife
January 8, 2009 6:39 PM | Link to this
Dusty,
I call that respect for a Clinton third.
Now, show some respect and patriotism for our new President using the Clinton team for a third term.
Do like you did w.
By @@
January 8, 2009 6:41 PM | Link to this
So here is the question, which democrat idea will kill the most kids?
No doubt about it……alternative energy (on a worldwide scale). But it’s the left-wing environmentalists’ idea and we all know that when it comes to resources, they’re hoarders. I mean the fewer people the better.
P-O-P-U-L-A-T-I-O-N
C-O-N-T-R-O-L
Sneaky little buggers.
By Bosch
January 8, 2009 6:42 PM | Link to this
Dusty,
I don’t think our soldiers dying in vain is remotely humorous. I wish you’d see that.
What makes me sick is our incompetent President who basically used the military for monetary gain. You see, I’ve always thought of Bush, an oil man, invaded Iraq not because he was worried Saddam Hussein was going to somehow attack us with phantom, non-existent weapons that never existed, but instead, he used our military to secure Iraqi oil reserves, so that after he finished as President he would go back in the oil business, and then well, you can see where I’m going with this.
It really makes me sick to think that, and Bush makes me sick every time I see his face or hear his voice.
I’m so sorry I make you sick, maybe some Pepto Bismol will help. I like Pepto Bismol - I used to fake sick when I was a kid to get some. Is that weird?
Oh well, what do I know.
By moonbat betty
January 8, 2009 6:45 PM | Link to this
yeah, i go to the VFW every tue. night and talk about how all our boys have laid it on the line for nothing.
they buy me beers.
but for some reason the beers are warm and taste like pi$$.
By Mrs.Godzilla
January 8, 2009 6:47 PM | Link to this
All Righties
I’m sorry for mocking you. It really isn’t nice, but it was fun.
You won’t believe it, but I love America and all Americans. As strongly as you think you are right, I think you are wrong.
Sometimes, forgive us, we grow weary of day after day, week after week, year after year, having to show you the noses on your very own faces. To us it does get pretty funny.
And let’s face it boys and girls, you give as good as you get.
Y’all have a good night.
By getalife
January 8, 2009 6:50 PM | Link to this
Bosch,
I ate a whole bottle of orange flavored baby aspirin because they tasted good.
Weird?
Nah, just being kids.
By @@
January 8, 2009 6:55 PM | Link to this
Dusty:
Bosch wants nothing more than to have everyone waste their time on him like he wastes everybody’s time here. Ignore! He/She’ll strike up a conversation with one of his/her other heart chambers, looking foolish in the process.
~~~~~~~~OO~~~~~~~
Oh my! I just read a muslim conspiracy theorist. Obama’s in cahoots with GWB. Gates and Bizenszki (whatever the heck his name is) too. The entire ME is going to be nuclear capable to surround Russia and China.
By getalife
January 8, 2009 6:56 PM | Link to this
Well, betty knows what pi-ss tastes like.
Ew.
By @@
January 8, 2009 7:00 PM | Link to this
Oh pooh, Getalife.
You were lookin’ for a buzz even when you were a little feller.
By Bosch
January 8, 2009 7:01 PM | Link to this
getalife,
I really liked the orange baby aspirin too. My mom had to hide it from me. :-)
By Bosch
January 8, 2009 7:02 PM | Link to this
getalife,
I really liked the orange baby aspirin too. My mom had to hide it from me. :-)
By getalife
January 8, 2009 7:03 PM | Link to this
@@,
They did pump my stomach. Od’d man.
By Bosch
January 8, 2009 7:16 PM | Link to this
Oh my God, I double posted. I’m glad RB isn’t here, that would be embarrassing.
I can’t believe I’m about to type this, but GO GATORS!!!
I’m a UGA guy, but I always root for the SEC.
Pleasant evening!
By getalife
January 8, 2009 7:41 PM | Link to this
Yes, Go Gators. SEC!
Made a bet with Andy.
By outhoused
January 8, 2009 7:47 PM | Link to this
And another industry in Griffin closes and goes to Brazil. Wonder why there are no jobs? They’ve all been sent overseas. If I was in charge (and everyone is lucky I’m not) not a dime would be given to the car companies as long as they run factories outside the US and close factories in the US. Let the countries where they are building the cars fund them!!
By GaLiberal
January 8, 2009 7:59 PM | Link to this
**By Serendipitous Stipend
January 8, 2009 12:24 PM | Link to this
Obama is one man. His speech was eloquent, but it did not stem the reality of our situation.
His stimulous package is inflationary. After WW1, germany printed money and they experienced 2 thousand percent inflation per day for three years.
That’s how Hitler happened. That’s what is going to happen to us and there’s nothing to stop it now.**
Huh? That’s are real leap into the cesspool of illogic. Obviously, you are not a good student of history. The condition that caused Germany’s economic collapse was the war reparation it was forced to pay after WWI. The conditions today are more like the 1930s when the banking system failed. Also, our money is not backed by gold as was the case after WWI. The government can print more money without devaluing the money supply. That’s no the case with gold backed money as each new dollar devalues all the other dollars in circulation which is very inflationary.
PE Obama’s stimulus package is not going to endanger the government. If you want to blame anyone, blame Bush and the Rethuglicons that cut taxes, stated a reckless and unnecessary war, and spent like a bunch of drunken sailors. As PE Obams said, he is inheriting a deficit of $1.2 TRILLION dollars. When Bush took office, he inherited a budgetary surplus. Bush and the Rethuglicons’ poor fiscal policies (cut taxes and spend $100s of BILLIONS on a reckless and unnecessary war). Of course, Bush and Cheney (who funneled taxpayer money to his buddies in larger no-bid contracts) will escape any responsibility for their role in all this mess. As will the Rethuglicons who lied just to get elected. Now I and millions of others who didn’t vote for these clowns will suffer the consequences. Thanks to Rethuglicon bootlickers like you, Serendipitous Stupid.
When you vote Rethuglicon, you vote against your own best interests. And Serendipitous Stipend is living proof.
By NB
January 8, 2009 8:04 PM | Link to this
So .. .when Obama says “tax cut,” he really means “welfare check.” A government handout. Your money seized from you and given to someone who didn’t earn it … or your children and grandchildren hit with a debt they’ll have to repay later.
This is the new definition of a tax cut. And we have Barack Obama to thank for it, not to mention a compliant media … a media that refuses to expose this government-speak.
By Chad Harris
January 8, 2009 8:20 PM | Link to this
Winning in Iraq must have included the development that while Iran continued to create instability in the Middle East by smuggling missles to Gaza through multiple Egyptian tunnels suicide bombers were used during the last few days to blow over 100 people to bits in Iraq.
These were a group of tribal sheikhs in Yusufiya, who were working on reconciliation between Shiites, Sunnis and Kurds, and, second, mostly women and children gathered at a Shiite shrine.
I’m not sure whether the US Army Band “Pershing’s Own” has been dispatched to Bagdad yet to play “Glory Glory to ‘Ol Georgia” to celebrate the suicide bomber explosions this week or not.
Perhaps Coach Richt could be featured during the Inauguration narrating the Florida 49-Goergia 10 game fils as a metaphor for “victory in Iraq.”
By sunshine and thunder
January 8, 2009 8:44 PM | Link to this
BOSCH
You wrote:
I have four people in my life that I would die for without thinking, and that’s the only thing that concerns me.
Then you are no better than a dog. A female dog will die for all of her puppies but, in every other part of her life, she only survives.
Which probably describes you. You have nothing more to your life than your immediate family and friends.
You have no idea what it is like to be willing to lay down your life for your buddies, your commander, your president, your country, your way of life.
I pity someone like you. You are not much more than a dog. I hope your puppies take good care of you in your old age. You don’t deserve the respect of anyone else.
By sunshine and thunder
January 8, 2009 8:56 PM | Link to this
CHAD HARRIS
So if suicide bombers attacked this country you would assume we are at war.
Well let me clue you in. It happened.
And we declared war on terrorism. Do you know what terrorism is? It is fanatical people who hide behind women and children and blow their own sons and daughters up to kill innocent people.
So whenever that happens in the world, according to you, that means war.
I thought all of you left nuts were anti war.
If you think the the Big O can prevent suicide bombers from blowing themselves up you must be a candidate for buying the Brooklyn Bridge.
Sheesh!
By Bosch
January 8, 2009 10:28 PM | Link to this
sunshine,
Woof!
By MM
January 9, 2009 9:52 AM | Link to this
Look a $500 tax break for singles, and $1,000 for couples isn’t going to do ANYTHING to help our economy. This sounds just like the measly $300 break I got from Bush, and what did that do? Nothing! I’m all for a tax holiday. No Federal Tax with-held for the next 3 to 6 months, now that can help the economy.
By Tom Gambeski
January 9, 2009 11:59 AM | Link to this
IN THE MIDDLE OF JIMMIE CARTER’S ECONOMIC DISASTER WE HEARD THE SAME RHETORIC “THE SYSTEM DOESN’T WORK AND IT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED”SOUNDS VAGUELY FAMILIAR. TEMPORARY MAKE WORK PROJECTS DESIGNED AND RUN THE LIKES OF BARNEY FRANK AND CHRIS DODD, ARCHITECTS OF GINNIE MAE,FREDDIE MAC.IN ADDITION SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE,ALL ARE COLOSSAL FAILURES. THESE SAME FOLKS ARE GOING TO PICK WINNERS AND LOSERS AND WILL DECIDE WHO GETS A PIECE OF THIS TRILLION DOLLAR SCAM.HOW CAN ANYONE WHO BELIEVES IN THE FREE MARKET HAVE CONFIDENCE KNOWING THE GOVERNMENT WILL BE HIRING 600 THOUSAND MORE BUREACRATES AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE WORK WILL BE DONE BY WORKERS EARNING GOVERNMENT INFLATED WAGES. WHY IS IT CUTTING TAXES TO EVERYONE WHO PAID THEM AS JOHN KENNEDY DID IN THE 60’S ,RONALD REAGAN DID IN THE 80’S AND AS BUSH DID AND PROVEN WIDELY SUCCESSFUL,OFF THE TABLE? SIMPLE ANSWER ,GOVERNMENT CONTROL WITH MEDIA HELP WHO BLINDLY SUPPORT BIGGER GOVERNMENT AND A MOVE TOWARD A MORE SOCIALISTIC LESS FREE SOCIETY.
By Forecast
January 9, 2009 9:20 PM | Link to this
Unfortunately the “new course” is at the expense of those of earn a living, live within their means, are educated, responsible, and actually raise children in a two parent household!!!!!
Get ready for redistribution of wealth, new definitions of tax cut and middle class, more generational dependency on the government for care and feeding, and PC as we’ve never seen it!!!!