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Time for a Cuba Libre!
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
The Berlin Wall came down almost 20 years ago. The Cold War is long over, and the Soviet Union sits on history’s ashpile. Yet U.S. policy toward Cuba has remained frozen in time, a fact that has made it easier for Fidel Castro and his followers to maintain their tight grip on the island and its people.
Can we finally change that policy? Why yes we can.
WASHINGTON - Five decades after Fidel Castro toppled a U.S.-backed dictator to take power in Cuba, the Cold War rivalry with Washington could be thawing as President-elect Barack Obama looks to ease sanctions against the communist-run island.
Obama has made clear he favors relaxing restrictions on family travel and cash remittances by Cuban Americans to Cuba, which this week marks the 50th anniversary of Castro’s revolution.
Obama could also reverse other steps taken by outgoing President George W. Bush to tighten sanctions on Cuba, such as the prepayment of food imports from the United States, and he is expected to restore migration talks broken off by Bush.
Experts on Cuba believe modest changes in policy will come quickly, but stop short of lifting the trade embargo first imposed in 1962 or allowing all Americans to travel to the island 90 miles off the coast of Florida…..
“The potential for change is more real than ever,” said Katrin Hansing, associate director at the Florida International University’s Cuban Research Institute.
An FIU poll conducted in November showed that 55 percent of Cuban Americans in Miami, an anti-Castro bastion that has long backed a hard-line U.S. stance on Cuba, now favor lifting the 46-year-old trade embargo.
Cuba watchers agree the embargo has failed to bring about political change in Cuba, like earlier CIA efforts to assassinate or overthrow Fidel Castro, who retired in February due to illness but still wields power behind the scenes.




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Comments
By The Corporal
December 30, 2008 12:55 PM | Link to this
But then what would happen to all of those 1952 Chevrolets ??
They should be the ones to change - not us. It’s always been their decision.
Just like Hamas!
By SGT Carter
December 30, 2008 1:01 PM | Link to this
By The Corporal
December 30, 2008 12:55 PM | Link to this
But then what would happen to all of those 1952 Chevrolets ??
They should be the ones to change - not us. It’s always been their decision.
Just like Hamas!
PYLE!!
By RealityKing
December 30, 2008 1:02 PM | Link to this
Are the Chinese free yet??
Regime change now!!
By Davo
December 30, 2008 1:03 PM | Link to this
‘Bout time…The only people who have suffered from this ridiculous policy is ordinary Cubans.
By Copyleft
December 30, 2008 1:05 PM | Link to this
This is an outrage. We should NEVER recognize reality, and NEVER change our policy positions in light of new facts.
The U.S. only tolerates our own U.S.-backed dictators being in power, dangit!
By The Corporal
December 30, 2008 1:07 PM | Link to this
To Sgt. Carter
Shazaam!
P.S. I hate to break this to you but I am NOT in your chain of command anymore …. so if you want to meet me out back (metaphorically speaking) ….. :o)
By getalife
December 30, 2008 1:09 PM | Link to this
Could use cheaper Cuban cigars.
Vote for wingnut of the year
By The Corporal
December 30, 2008 1:10 PM | Link to this
P.S. ….. Remember now:
If Cuba is liberated it will most likely turn into a cesspool like Las Vegas or one of the little towns outside of foreign U.S. military basis.
You get what you pay for.
By AJC/DNC Management
December 30, 2008 1:12 PM | Link to this
Viva la Partagas de num 4.
Gracious!
By Midori
December 30, 2008 1:13 PM | Link to this
HAPPY NEW YEAR, EVERYONE!!!
By The Corporal
December 30, 2008 1:13 PM | Link to this
Excuse me ….. “bases”.
By CommunistAJC
December 30, 2008 1:27 PM | Link to this
Jay Bookman in defense of the commies? You don’t say. Hmmmmmmmm.
By Cindy
December 30, 2008 1:40 PM | Link to this
Lou Dobbs got my vote getalife. Somebody needs to slap that bigot into the new year a little early.
By RealityKing
December 30, 2008 1:48 PM | Link to this
The answer is simple. Demand a free election during Castro funeral.
In fact, insist on it vigorously internationally! Using the peoples will as the rallying cry.. No, no more blockades. In there place will be pre-designed, pre-organized independence rallies that can be setup and dismantled with the least amount of political resistance from Castro Jr. And as the up welling of hope for freedom grows.., support it by quietly assassinating those who want to anoint themselves the oppressor of Cuba’s new dictatorship.
i.e.. The same thing doofus Kennedy should have done 50 years ago!!
By Copyleft
December 30, 2008 1:51 PM | Link to this
Ahh yes, “freedom enforced by assassination of those we don’t like.”
That’s always worked out SO well for our foreign policy. And it adds credibility, too!
By getalife
December 30, 2008 1:53 PM | Link to this
Cindy,
It was a tough call between Hannity and Rush but went with Hannity.
There once was a dem with spine and his name is Blago.
B-L-A-G-O.
B-L-A-G-O.
Blago told them to GFY!
By The Corporal
December 30, 2008 1:55 PM | Link to this
To RealityKing
I’ve always wondered why if we tried to ensure Korea’s, Vietnam’s, Bosnia’s, Irag’s, Panama’s, Grenada’s, etc. freedom we decided hands off on Cuba.
I guess it all started with Kennedy’s milktoast approach and failure to supply air support and a U.S. Marine Regiment holding off the coast as he had promised.
By RealityKing
December 30, 2008 1:58 PM | Link to this
Worked for Japan and Germany..
By Copyleft
December 30, 2008 1:59 PM | Link to this
Corporal It could be because we lacked what, in a former idealistic age, was called a “reason.”
You know, that silly old stuff about “just wars” and “force as a last resort” and so on? Those old-fashioned values, the sort of thing we just don’t need any more, am I right?
By GOP is gone
December 30, 2008 2:03 PM | Link to this
So Reality King is a Baptist Preacher?
By The Corporal
December 30, 2008 2:05 PM | Link to this
To Copyleft
I’m glad you weren’t French in 1776.
By AJC/DNC Management
December 30, 2008 2:12 PM | Link to this
And the high bidder for the Illinois U.S. Senate seat is!
“Envelope” please:
Blagojevich to name Roland Burris to Obama’s Senate seat
Business as usual in hack land.
By AJC/DNC Management
December 30, 2008 2:19 PM | Link to this
Well, well-
Republican Party officials say they will try next month to pass a resolution accusing President Bush and congressional Republican leaders of embracing “socialism,” underscoring deep dissension within the party at the end of Mr. Bush’s administration.
Word up.
I agree with luckobich, there ain’t no way Oblahmasan would have got elected if Bush wasn’t such a big fat juicy pinko, I’m mean really, is there anyone more shallow and sorry and accomplishment free than this pop star Oblahmi is?
Buck Fush.
Now all we need is a Sister Sarah Hot to Trot resolution, dude!
By Paul
December 30, 2008 2:20 PM | Link to this
Jay
Of course we can!
Pres-elect Obama didn’t need Florida’s electoral votes and likely won’t in 2012, either.
Corporal
Getting access to those beautiful old cars is reason enough. Cuban cigars comes in second (getalife - I meant legal ones…)
Midori
Just saw a headline - the Republican National Committee’s accused President Bush of…. going socialist.
Does this mean the Left now will embrace him?
:-)
Management,
Do you happen to know, can Blagovich’s successor issue (drumroll) pardons?
By sunshine and thunder
December 30, 2008 2:21 PM | Link to this
Don’t mess with Cuba. They have the best health care system in the world.
They don’t have any food but they’ve all gotten their tetanus shots.
By Davo
December 30, 2008 2:23 PM | Link to this
OT
How to talk to idiots
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2008/12/zbigsmacksdow.php
By The Corporal
December 30, 2008 2:24 PM | Link to this
To Paul
Yes, I guess you are right.
To Midori
Unlike liberals we are much more truthful even about our own people and in times which hurts us politically. It’s called honesty.
Something you guys have always been lacking in at least as compared to us.
By ByteMe
December 30, 2008 2:26 PM | Link to this
Paul, Blago’s successor would be the Lt. Gov and he has had screaming fights with Blago, so no love lost there. I would think, though, that like Gov. Sonny, the Gov of IL has pardoning power over those convicted in state courts (and the indictment is Federal).
By getalife
December 30, 2008 2:29 PM | Link to this
w is a trickle up socialist.
How about the spine on Blago? Ha!
Cuba will continue to get hammered by hurricanes and ending the failed boycott is the right thing to do for the Cuban people.
By AJC/DNC Management
December 30, 2008 2:32 PM | Link to this
Paul- Yes he can!
But, they hate each other.
I don’t suspect the situation will arise, Blago is thunmbing his nose at the law, just like any typical hopeandchange liberal, and all the other hacks don’t want to cut off the corruption gravy train, so they won’t push the issue.
Why bother, all of the dimwit Oblahmasan voters never even knew there was a “Governor of Illinois” until Fitz made him subject of all the scuttlebutt, soon enough they will all like totally forget what the problem is.
They got an inuag to get ready for, duh.
By Midori
December 30, 2008 2:39 PM | Link to this
Corporal,
when you learn to speak English, then we can (hopefully) have a conversation.
your words sound like Charlie Brown’s teacher. To me, anyway.
By Midori
December 30, 2008 2:45 PM | Link to this
Paul,
thanks.
but no thanks. :)
By FrankLeeDarling
December 30, 2008 2:46 PM | Link to this
Yea man ,lets take that island,its the biggest best one down there.
after that MEXICO!!
By The Corporal
December 30, 2008 2:51 PM | Link to this
To Midori
Ah, you find a cute way to avoid debate.
Not surprising.
By The Corporal
December 30, 2008 2:56 PM | Link to this
P.S. to Midori
1) You forgot to capitalize the first word of your sentences.
2) I assume you meant when I “write” English and that my words “sound” like …
3) “To me, anyway”, I’m not sure is a complete sentence.
4) If you find any errors in my reply, save the time as it proves my point.
Stick to the debate issues!
By FrankLeeDarling
December 30, 2008 3:02 PM | Link to this
Some of the best jazz has come from Cuba
By Paul
December 30, 2008 3:06 PM | Link to this
ByteMe - Management
Thanks for the clarification. I don’t know if much will come of it, though. Like I said before - Fitz spent how many years and how many millions and couldn’t even figure out if Plame was covert or not. All he got was a lying under oath conviction - pathetic. Actually, he might’ve figured it out but didn’t want to drop it - prosecutors don’t make a name by saying “nothing there.”
Midori
Just thought I’d ask….
On another topic, with all the piling on the Left has done on Pres Bush on how he speaks, and all the pete and repeat of Palin’s answers, explanations, examples and manner of speaking -
Reviewing Carolyn Kennedy’s interviews over the weekend, I’da thought the Left would be heaping scorn and ridicule upon her and SNL writers would’ve already leaked sneak peaks at this weekend’s skits. 138 “you knows” in one interview? 12 in under a minute? Maybe she saw the difficulty Uncle Ted got into with his rambling response to “why do you want to be President?” and just figured if she told the interviewers “you know” that they’d realize they already knew and would stop asking her tough questions?
By sunshine and thunder
December 30, 2008 3:13 PM | Link to this
Cuba has excellent rum and cigars. Two things the nannies hate.
By Midori
December 30, 2008 3:18 PM | Link to this
Paul,
I was reading another article quite critical of Caroline’s verbal skills.
As I have not yet heard the interview, I can’t comment.
However, in my opinion, she should not be given ANY TYPE OF PASS, and should be made available to the media, etc., and answer any and all questions.
That’s only fair if she wants that seat.
She has to show that she is qualified.
Corporal - see, I don’t have any problems communicating with Paul.
Perhaps you need to look inside yourself. Huh?
By Paul
December 30, 2008 3:31 PM | Link to this
Midori
I’m just amazed that we’ve seen the same thing with Kennedy that we saw with Palin - seemingly woefully unprepared for even the most basic of questions. Ms Kennedy sat for interviews with NY media over the weekend - the “you know” count came from the NY Times interview. Usually such habits don’t just pop up, which means no one around her has had the nerve or the concern to take her aside and offer assistance.
But it’s the answers! Palin should’ve known people would want to find out about her. “What magazines do you read?” is not a gotcha question. Same with Kennedy. “When did you decide you wanted to become a senator?” is not a gotcha question, either.
But I will hazard a guess that if Palin had given an interviewer the flip-off quip Kennedy did, everyone who watches any media source would’ve heard about it.
Caroline to NY Times panel: “Have you guys ever thought of, like, writing for a woman’s magazine or something?”
NY Times: “What do you have against women’s magazines?”
Kennedy: “Nothing - I just thought you guys were supposed to be the crack political team around here.”
Yikes!
By The Corporal
December 30, 2008 3:31 PM | Link to this
To Midori
I enjoy debating you when you want to but it’s always your choice.
No problem. I don’t expect you to ever reply to one of my posts again.
Deal ?
By jewcowboy
December 30, 2008 3:38 PM | Link to this
Wow!
“Unlike liberals we are much more truthful even about our own people and in times which hurts us politically. It’s called honesty.
Something you guys have always been lacking in at least as compared to us.”
You have to be kidding, right?
Is this your expert on the truth? “There’s an old saying in Tennessee — I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can’t get fooled again.”
By Midori
December 30, 2008 3:38 PM | Link to this
Paul,
here’s the article I was talking about
again, until I hear the interview, I can’t make a judgement call.
I plan to look for the interview later on this evening.
By The Corporal
December 30, 2008 3:40 PM | Link to this
If only Fidel had gotten a big league baseball contract …………. he would have been a capitalist for sure.
By The Corporal
December 30, 2008 3:43 PM | Link to this
To jewcowboy
Keep your head in the sand.
I was all over McCain during the campaign when I thought he was wrong on a particular issue.
I never heard a complaint from anyone liberal on this blog about Aytch until after he was elected.
Standard practice among liberals.
By Taxpayer
December 30, 2008 3:50 PM | Link to this
After two terms of hearing the diehard Republicans standing up for their fearless leader, Dubya, and his clan of collaborators in all that ails us, the RNC finally “sees the light” (by the way, they’re high intensity lights that spell out the word LOSER for all of you that missed the last two elections) and sets the dinner table for an “all you can eat of your own” meal that would make the most cannibalistic on earth feel squeamish. Good show, Republicans. By the way, don’t forget to pass the Grey Poupon.
By jewcowboy
December 30, 2008 3:51 PM | Link to this
The Corporal,
Generalizations work so well, don’t they. I think there are enough people who shade the truth on both sides of the aisle to render your argument ineffective.
By Paul
December 30, 2008 3:55 PM | Link to this
Midori
That was a pretty good summary article. But I will say I’d vote for someone who laced every sentence with “you know’ and “like, um” and “you know what I’m saying?” if they had good ideas, were honest and put the good of the country above good to one’s career or party.
As far as the experience thing, I listened to a retired exec from CBS wonder if that was all that important. His point was, look at the mess our ‘experienced” Congress has gotten us into. Experience? Fat lot of good that’s done us!
By The Corporal
December 30, 2008 3:56 PM | Link to this
To jewcowboy
Generalizations sometimes work very well. Depends on the issue, etc.
So, here is another generalization:
He who is convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.
Thanks for your input.
By The Corporal
December 30, 2008 4:05 PM | Link to this
Off Topic
Headline: Shhhh! As the world waits for Obama to voice his opinion on Gaza, America’s President-elect hits the golf course.
Didn’t Dubya get criticized for playing golf during a major crisis and now Aytch doing the same thing ??
Hummmmm ……….
By Taxpayer
December 30, 2008 4:14 PM | Link to this
The least you might consider doing, if you really want to continue your charade as the unbiased and open-minded but otherwise self-centered ultra right-wing Christian conservative, Corporal, is wait until Obama takes office before you start accusing him of slacking off while on the clock. FORE! Oops, was I supposed to yell that at the beginning of my slice. I got you hooked anyway, didn’t I.
By Class of '98
December 30, 2008 4:17 PM | Link to this
The CIA should have put a bullet in his bearded skull 45 years ago.
By GMAN
December 30, 2008 4:21 PM | Link to this
What is President Bush doing or saying about Gaza?
By jewcowboy
December 30, 2008 4:26 PM | Link to this
The General,
This was W’s quote, “I don’t want some mom whose son may have recently died to see the Commander-in-Chief playing golf. I feel I owe it to the families to be as — to be in solidarity as best as I can with them. And I think playing golf during a war just sends the wrong signal.’
I suppose this was his one conciliatory gesture to military families, unlike his opposition to the new GI Bill.
By @@
December 30, 2008 4:27 PM | Link to this
Sure thing, jay!
It was Cuba’s cozying up to Russia that provoked JFK to enact the embargo in the first place.
Now that Cuba’s bumbling by with billions from Venezuela, China, Russia and Iran, it’s the perfect time for a lift.
BTW, does the adventurous Putin know you’ve got him sittin’ on an ashpile?
By Mort Merkel
December 30, 2008 4:40 PM | Link to this
I want to go down there, eat me a Cuban sammich, smoke me a Cuban see-gar and drank me three or four o’ them Cuba Libres, then take a nap on the beach.
By getalife
December 30, 2008 4:47 PM | Link to this
Congressman Bobby Rush: ‘This is a matter of national importance. There are no African Americans in the Senate, and I don’t think that anyone, any U.S. senator who’s sitting in the Senate right now, wanna go on record to DENY one African American from being seated in the U.S. Senate. I don’t think they want to go on record doing that’
Nice race card but he does have a point on no AA’s in the Senate.
By AJC/DNC Management
December 30, 2008 4:50 PM | Link to this
No matter which curtain you open on the democrat party, there lies a klown behind it-
That point was driven home at the news conference by Democratic U.S. Rep. Bobby Rush of Chicago, who said it’s a matter of national importance that an African-American replace Obama in the Senate.
“Let me just remind you that there presently is no African-American in the Senate…this is just not a state of Illinois matter,” Rush said.
So how does everyone like being Zimbabwe?
By Bud Wiser
December 30, 2008 4:59 PM | Link to this
The cigars from Guatemala and Santo Domingo are better than the Cubans. Same for Costa Rica.
They’ve bled the soil dry for good cigar production, and know virtually nothing about such simple things as crop rotation and/or soil nutrition.
I’ve bought from all three. The Guatemalans actually said the Santo Domingo’s were better than theirs, and vice versa. I think they were just glad slapping each other while trashing the Cubans at the same time. My personal preference, Cumbres, from Costa Rica.
So sayeth the Bud.
By AJC/DNC Management
December 30, 2008 5:03 PM | Link to this
Hey, does anybody know how much Burris had to pay to get that Oblahmi Senate seat?
I’m just curious, it had to be more than JJ jrs. cool million, are we talking like Rezko properties or maybe a plum job at the University of Chicago?
Did Oblahmasan get a cut?
By Bud Wiser
December 30, 2008 5:08 PM | Link to this
I wanted to light up a cigar, but I have been ROFL my arse off ever since seeing who Blago has appointed for a Senate seat, and I did not want to burn myself or the house meanwhile!!!
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha
What o what will all those Dems do now that Blago has appointed a black man, and them almost uniformly saying they will never seat any appointment by the tainted Guv !!!
ROFL
Hahahahahahaha
Let’s see, how long will it take before the “what I really meant to say was…” hits the airwaves???
Hahahahahahahahaha
He is making such fools and idiots out of his (I guess former) Democratic allies by doing this. This qualifies as more than the bully kicking sand in people’s faces at the beach, don’t you think??
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha
(ROFL)
I must apologize for my mirth at seeing how the tools are going to handle this one, or what explanations or clarifications of previous positions is going to be. Oh the agony, the retractions, the cruelty of it all!!!
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
I should apologize…….but i won’t.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
By The Corporal
December 30, 2008 5:09 PM | Link to this
To Taxpayer
Oh, no, no! You missed par !
He had all the answers remember? He is supposed to be showing concern and consulting and the cavalry is coming, etc.
He went to Germany during the campaign, why doesn’t he go over to Gaza and solve this BEFORE he is POTUS and then he won’t have to worry about it - not to mention the lives he can save !
Heck, even Cynthia went over there and tried to do something!
By Paul
December 30, 2008 5:11 PM | Link to this
GMAN 4:21
[[What is President Bush doing or saying about Gaza?]]
Link: Press Briefing By Deputy Press Secretary Gordon Johndroe
BudWiser
So let it be written, and so it is -
Personally, I like the full-page glossy ads for Arturo Fuentes with Ms Fuente….
By Taxpayer
December 30, 2008 5:18 PM | Link to this
Doesn’t Rush the magic Limburger like to huff and puff on those fine Cuban cigarillos.
By getalife
December 30, 2008 5:26 PM | Link to this
“Former President Bill Clinton and his wife, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, will kiss 2008 goodbye on the world’s biggest stage this New Year’s Eve.
That’s because Mayor Michael Bloomberg announced that the Clintons will have the honor of pushing the ceremonial button that signals the Times Square New Year’s Eve Ball to begin lowering at 11:59 p.m. on Thursday night.”
Ha!
By Chad Harris
December 30, 2008 5:38 PM | Link to this
Congratulations. This is a great day for you. You wanna be like the rich at least some of the time, and now you are. You’ve lost money to Uncle Bernie Madoff too. That’s right.
You can see Uncle Bernie Madoff and AIG from your house and feel ‘em too, goshdarnit.
Your Uncle Hank Pualson took a gob of your money and “bailed out” (buh buh money you ain’t gonna see it again.
Thanks to the $85 million dollar throw away of your money, you own 80% of AIG.
Fortunately AIG, your company offers fraud insurance, so when they take your money and have no clue where it’s going, you can protect yourself if you have the insurance.
Thanks TPM Muck.
A big shoutout to Dr. Criag Bitner, a plastic surgeon who is being sued (the nerve of them) for using the fat he liposuctioned from his patients to fuel his Ford EssssooooooooVeeeeeee and his homegirl’s Lincoln Navigator —a big EsssssoooooooVeeee.
I don’t think they have much of a suit since they signed a pre-op release allowing the hospital and the doctor to dispose of the tissue in any manner they saw fit. But show me a cause and I’ll show you a lawyuh who thinks it has merit if the client is well heeled and Beverly Hills plastic surgery pts. tend to be.
By sunshine and thunder
December 30, 2008 5:41 PM | Link to this
BUD WISER
I haven’t smoked cigars in a long time but once there was nothing better than a good Cuban cigar. (Well, maybe ONE thing.) Of course they were hard to get and had to be smuggled in by your favorite airline stewardess.
I know John Kennedy stored a room full of them before the embargo took place.
I’m not surprised to hear the quality is down. Another thing Castro couldn’t manage very well.
By Chad Harris
December 30, 2008 5:41 PM | Link to this
A fun book on pre-Castro Cuba, is
Havana Nocturne: How the Mob Owned Cuba and Then Lost It to the Revolution
http://www.amazon.com/Havana-Nocturne-Owned-Cuba-Revolution/dp/0061147710
By RW-(the original)
December 30, 2008 5:47 PM | Link to this
getalife,
If they’re going to let the Clinton’s push the button at 11:59 on Thursday night it’s not going to be such a great stage. Who’s going to be out there celebrating midnight as it turns from January 1st to January 2nd?
By GOP is gone
December 30, 2008 5:49 PM | Link to this
Actually Hurricanes are what the Cubans do best. They have a great early warning system and the citizens follow directions very well. They had few if any deaths from Katrina
And Corporal, I do believe you tell the truth, but please do not think to pass all Republicans off as truthful. That is way to much of a stretch Ted Haggard. And Magic Jeff looks like he may have voted McCain/Palin to me.
By Bud Wiser
December 30, 2008 5:52 PM | Link to this
You can get Cuban cigars in San Juan. There’s a pretty nice shop in the Old Town section that caught my eye a couple of years ago, but I forget its name. My daughters and their husbands were with us on a cruise over New Years Eve, and we had a BLAST!
Needed the cigars for the midnight on-deck celebration.
Awesome.
Anyway, I have a few friends who are aficionados and they say they’ve heard the same story about the diminishing quality of the tobacco, that it tears too easily when trying to roll and such.
Me, I think they go very nicely with a glass of Johnny Walker Black, neat.
By sunshine and thunder
December 30, 2008 5:57 PM | Link to this
Who says there’s no good news today?
By Chad Harris
December 30, 2008 5:58 PM | Link to this
A big shoutout to attorney and FCC Chairman for 20 more days Kevin Martin who today dropped unconstitutional web filtering for “porn” from his wireless broadband plan. His lovely wife Cathy passed on the press on the CIA leak from Bush, Cheney, Addington, and Team Libby to Team Libby via emails.
Most of the emails to and from Kathy Martin were “lost because they weren’t archived properly” although the White House had an astronomical IT budget.
Cathy Martin was a Cheney press aide who planned much of the press response when Fitz implicated Cheney as a leak participant. Dick passed on information he purportedly got from Tenet that Plame worked for that Counter-Proliferation Division. That is, Dick told Libby that Plame was covert.
On July 12, Dick and Libby and Cathie Martin strategized how to respond to “certain pending media inquiries, including questions from Time reporter Matthew Cooper
By AJC/DNC Management
December 30, 2008 6:02 PM | Link to this
Yet any fair-minded person should be concerned about what’s going on in Minnesota. Throughout the recount, the state’s majority Democratic political machine has been grinding away in Franken’s favor. From a dispute over double-counted ballots, to the treatment of rejected absentee forms, Coleman has lost every major dispute with Secretary of State Mark Ritchie, a Democrat, and the state canvassing board, which is controlled by Democrats.
So how does everyone like being Zimbabwe?
By RW-(the original)
December 30, 2008 6:04 PM | Link to this
Gop is gone,
One of the reasons Cuba didn’t have much of a problem with Katrina is probably because they never got hit by Katrina and even when it passed north of them it wasn’t much of a storm.
New Orleans had a good early warning system too. President Bush begging them for days to evacuate, but nobody wanted to listen.
By Chad Harris
December 30, 2008 6:14 PM | Link to this
December 30, 2008 5:03 PM | Link to this
Hey, does anybody know how much Burris had to pay to get that Oblahmi Senate seat?
I’m just curious, it had to be more than JJ jrs. cool million, are we talking like Rezko properties or maybe a plum job at the University of Chicago?
Did Oblahmasan get a cut?
How’s the clown school going?
Are you smoking or taking it PO today?
By sunshine and thunder
December 30, 2008 6:14 PM | Link to this
I’m glad to know Cubans do hurricanes well. Does that mean they only try to flee the island during off season?
By AJC/DNC Management
December 30, 2008 6:19 PM | Link to this
hmmmmmm-
Now Mark, I got an e-mail, actually a number of e-mails from assistant United States attorneys around the United States, and I posted one at Hughhewitt.com, where he kind of walks us through what the U.S. attorney’s office is doing in Chicago. And it’s not good for Rahm Emanuel. It’s not particularly bad for the President-elect, but it’s the sort of thing, he describes in detail, that Fitzgerald has done in the past to get Scooter Libby tied up in a web of misstatements, any one of which to a federal person is a violation of 18 USC 1001, the False Statements Act.
Happy New Year!
By The Corporal
December 30, 2008 6:21 PM | Link to this
To GOP is gone
Oh, not all Republicans tell the truth about their candidates/political leaders by any means……just a higher percentage than liberals/Democrats.
By Chad Harris
December 30, 2008 6:22 PM | Link to this
Corporal
You’re making a nexus with truthful and Republicans when the federal coonviction count of Republicans in the Bush administration and in Congress is now over 100? Maybe you can sub for Leno during the time he goes off and goes back on again in prime time.
You have a slew of top administrations officials who refuse to testify. You have a former AG Gonzales who is a parody of his office, who said “I don’t recall” as much as Caroline Macaroni Kennedy says “you know” in a week.
You have US Attorneys who became puppets of Cheney to carry out prosecutions Cheney wanted to happen—can you spell Alice Martin the scank at the Northern District of Alabama who was forced to recuse herself and then pulled strings anyway in the Siegelman case?
You have Heather Wilson and Pete Domenici who admitted attempting to tamper with the US Attorney’s criminal cases in New Mexico? And you’re talkin’ honesty?
By @@
December 30, 2008 6:31 PM | Link to this
Stay tuned. It’s going to be a fun 2009.
Not content merely to wonder what the nominee and the governor will do if the Senate refuses the nomination, some began to question the links between the nominee’s consulting firm and the state of Illinois. Within moments, Burris seemingly spontaneously spotted a friendly face in the crowd and called former Black Panther and now Illinois Congressman Bobby Rush up to “say a few words.” (Rush is also the only person who has ever beaten Barack Obama in an election.)
Bobby Rush then emerged from the midst of the assembled crowd and took the microphone to give an impassioned—if oddly rambling and sometimes incoherent—plea for the acceptance of the nomination. Then, as if things couldn’t get any weirder, Rush both implied that for the Senate not to seat Burris would be an act of racism and promised that he and the Congressional Black Caucus would bring pressure to bear on the Senate to see to it that the people of Illinois don’t end up deprived of their next African-American Senator.
In one astonishingly bold stroke, Blagojevich, Burris, and Rush have set the Congressional Black Caucus against the white Senate majority leader, in a fight-to-the-death for the Senate seat formerly held by the first African-American president. At the same time, Blago invites the Senate to turn down a perfectly qualified candidate solely because of their perhaps unconstitutional prejudice against his case. Being innocent until proven guilty, and being governor so long as he retains that presumption of innocence, Blagojevich has a perfect legal right to appoint Obama’s successor.
For Obama, the situation is fraught with danger. Already, he has issued a statement agreeing with the Senate Democrats, though praising Roland Burris. However, one of the few people with whom Obama did not get along in Illinois politics is, in fact, Congressman Bobby Rush. While Obama has always played himself off as a post-racial wizard of harmony, Rush has never quite shaken off his black nationalist streak. In his statement, Rush praised Obama, but also essentially challenged him to fulfill his obligation as the first black president by siding with Blagojevich.
Do ‘ya see how democrats use race in their dirty political games and power plays?
DESPICABLE!!!!! HAVE THEY NO SHAME?
By GodHatesTrash
December 30, 2008 6:38 PM | Link to this
Reality check, folks.
You can argue all you want that Caroline Kennedy is unqualified for the US Senate, but the comparisons to Sarah Palin are insulting and ridiculous.
Caroline Kennedy’s bowel movements are smarter than Sarah Palin, for gawd’s sake.
By DB, Gwinnettian
December 30, 2008 6:47 PM | Link to this
Poor @@. Reduced to hoping and praying that something, anything comes of “Operation Make Blago-Deal All Sticky-Like To America’s Wildly Popular President-Elect.”
Man, I’d hate to have to work that franchise. I hope they’re at least paying you well.
By Chad Harris
December 30, 2008 6:54 PM | Link to this
Ah must do say, with Georgia in such a complete mess on every count, and a governor so dumb he spent 6 million of your money on Tamiflu which has nothing to do with pandemic flu and isn’t even having significant efficacy against every day flu this year, we sure do have a lot of Georgians concerned about effective representation for Illinois in the Senate.
Burriss is squeaky clean. He gave legal contributions to Blago, Trying to scrape up dirt on Buriss is like hoping to strike uranium in your front yard or a kudzu patch. I applaud Burris as a candidate. Whether he makes it to the Senate as an appointment or not is going to have a lot to do with whether he decides to litigate against Reid or anyone else who stands in his way regardless of whether impeachment happens before the months of trial if and when ther is an indictment-and he could if he so chose.
I haven’t heard anyone comment on the time running out for Fitz to indict or go through a probable cause hearing but it’s large factor for Fitz. There sure must be a lot of people here who don’t believe in the legal system in the US because Blago has not even been indicted yet, much less been through a trial.
I sure am glad though that Georgia is so problem free that so many people are focused on Illinois. “Georgians for a Better Illinois Cause We Be So Good”—what an altruistic thought to ring in the New Year with.
**SAT Rankings Illinois 2nd(1793 average)
Georgia 46th (1472 average)**
By Paul
December 30, 2008 7:15 PM | Link to this
sunshine and thunder 5:57
The link was to a story about NY Times assets up for sale.
Sourced from China Daily.
Cute!
RW-(the original) 6:04
[[New Orleans had a good early warning system too. President Bush begging them for days to evacuate, but nobody wanted to listen.]]
Sooo, the people who criticized Pres Bush for ignoring advance warning of an impending disaster when he took office are the same people who ignored advance warning of an impending disaster?
Man, you can’t dream this stuff up…
Management 6:19
As I said earlier today: “- Fitz spent how many years and how many millions and couldn’t even figure out if Plame was covert or not. All he got was a lying under oath conviction - pathetic. Actually, he might’ve figured it out but didn’t want to drop it - prosecutors don’t make a name by saying “nothing there. Which is part of what we’re seeing in Chicago - can’t get’em on a crime, get’em on their statements.”
Bud Wiser 6:59
Now that’s just plain unkind.
By Taxpayer
December 30, 2008 7:21 PM | Link to this
No, Corporal. You sliced another one. It was The Maverick McCain who said that he knew how to get Osama and all we had to do was elect him to find out. We all know how that one worked out. Statements such as that along with the follow up make it real clear where Republicans such as McCain place the American people on their list of priorities. Yessireee!
By Chad Harris
December 30, 2008 7:25 PM | Link to this
God Hates
Chick Fil-A high school students are better educated than Palin and almost any son or daughter of anyone I know in high school thinks Palin is a moron and can answer her interview questions more appropriately.
But what prompts an analogy is that like Palin, Kennedy has had no experience that would translate to being a capable Senator, and of course that applies to half the Senate. She is only being considered because her name recognition is thought to be capable of fund raising.
She is terrible on her feet as a candidate, and does sound errily like a kid with the “you knows” punctuating every 3 words the way the valley girl mimics of Gen Y and Gen X are doing with the word “like.”
The reason Kennedy will not get the appointment though, is that she is so unprepared, despite her Harvard and Columbia law school education which really has little to do with your ability to tackle current domestic and foreign issues, is that she is afraid to interview with anyone just like Palin essentially was.
Despite her education, I believe if Kennedy were to interview with even softball throwers Charlie Gibson and Katie tonight, she’d look pathetic.
She of course would not say the consummately stupid things Palin said, but she is unprepared to talk about issues. Kennedy is essentially a woman who lived every bit the life of a superficial Park Avenue Socialite and was incurious to use the polite phrase often used to refer to dimwit Bush and his dimwit wife about most issues. She lacked the interest to vote in most every election until this one. She has little knowledge of New York’s problems, little knowledge of foreign policy, and wouldn’t even commit to supporting the Democratic candidate for Mayor of New York against Mike Bloomberg, her old Park Avenue friend.
Kennedy didn’t vote in New York state and federal elections over the last twenty something years. Lines aren’t done by Park Avenue heiresses ever—they are much too common. Heiresses are whisked off their pony and into limos. They don’t shop for themselves, and they don’t cook for themselves, and certainly they don’t clean anything they own inclouding their homes.
Kennedy cannot answer any direct questions whatsoever and she was miserable in her meeting with the NYT editorial board last week. She made a fool of herself and they reported it. You can consider that her Couric and Gibson interview rolled into one.
Despite inheriting hundreds of millions, Kennedy’s total contribution to Democratic candidates for state office during the past ten years was a grand. She gave $2500 to Hillary who gave it back when Kennedy supported Obama.
Kennedy showed reprehensible arrogance in taking no questions from the press whatsoever thus far, and asked for written questions to be submitted. Why is obvious. She can pick the questions, have the answers researched by her servants and her expensive public relations firm, and she does not have to be original and spontaneous or really answer any of them.
People who ask for written questions to be submitted or afraid of being inadequate to answer them and in Kennedy’s case that fear is very well placed.
David Paterson is now very irked and resentful that people have tried to pressure him into appointing her, and he’s not very impressed with her performance or credentials. He has also gotten clear messages from Sheldon Silver the speaker, and the power players in the New York legislature that they are squarely opposed to her when there are so many qualified candidates in their own ranks and from the House of Representatives (Congress) like Carolyn Maloney who could represent News York much better—know the people from corner to corner of the state and the issues.
Kennedy hasn’t even been in 99% of New York. It’s over for her.
It’s no accident Hillary isn’t resigning until her confirmation takes place. There is no love lost between the Clinton’s and the Kennedy’s now. Hillary knows that if she had resigned, Paterson might have appointed her quickly before Kennedy could deliver such a poor performance. The Clintons are taking a quiet delight in Kennedy flying into the ground as she is now. Kennedy has already said she won’t run in 2010 unless the seat is handed to her. So buh buh Caroline. Back to Park Avenue socialitism and Museum fund raising balls with the Kravaths.
She is using the same strategy PR team that worked for Bloomberg and Leiberman and its strategy has been terrible for her.
They should have tried to prep her and bring her up to speed. Unlike Palin Kennedy has a head that could have absorbed coaching faster. But they didn’t. She’s going to fail, and that’s good for the country and good for the state of New York.
By RW-(the original)
December 30, 2008 7:28 PM | Link to this
Paul,
And the hijackers didn’t fly straight at the buildings for several days before they hit.
A funny scene took place shortly after Katrina. I believe it was ABC, but it easily could have been any of the nets, assembled a group of refuges to watch President Bush making his address from New Orleans while they were outside the Astrodome. Once it was over the “host” reporter kept asking them how much they blamed Bush and every single one of them looked at the reporter like s/he had three heads, saying they blamed the storm mostly, but Nagin and Blanco were the politicians they would blame.
Needless to say that panel was cut short and never discussed again.
By Chad Harris
December 30, 2008 7:52 PM | Link to this
Viva Castro—
Have a great year.
By AJC/DNC Management
December 30, 2008 7:54 PM | Link to this
RW: Something else the drive bys don’t want to discuss about Katrina, the morning after the storm passed through they reported that the city had been “spared the brunt of the storm” and it was safe to return.
The levees broke that afternoon.
How many people died because of that?
By @@
December 30, 2008 8:00 PM | Link to this
Alrighty DB @ 6:47….
Poor @@. Reduced to hoping and praying that something, anything comes of “Operation Make Blago-Deal
Please go to my 6:31 and point to where I mentioned the Blagojevich investigation. I could have included excerpts from the site that addressed it, but that wasn’t what concerned me dumbazz.
Nope! Blagojevich (D) used Burris (DAA) and Rush (DAA) to screw with PrezE Obama (DAA), The Black Caucus (A bunch of DAAs) and Illinois’ AA voters.
Now go upstairs and read where jay calls that “OLD SCHOOL”. IT IS!!!! and the dems have and will forever be in attendance at THAT OLD SCHOOL.
By The Corporal
December 30, 2008 8:08 PM | Link to this
Chad
I’m not talking about them being truthful …….. I am talking about us conservative citizens out here in the bushes being truthful about fraud, and poor decisions when we see it in our own party.
I don’t see that same effort from you Democrat citizens especially during a campaign.
By The Corporal
December 30, 2008 8:12 PM | Link to this
To Taxpayer
You moved your ball when I wasn’t looking and lost me on that one.
I can usually follow you pretty well but not this time ………
Thanks for the input.
By @@
December 30, 2008 8:15 PM | Link to this
And too DB, notice that I put the D before the AA with Burris and Rush.
There are only two choices here. They were too stupid to realize they were being used or they were in cahoots with Blagojevich.
I think they were in cahoots. Always put D Party first…..AA second.
By Taxpayer
December 30, 2008 8:55 PM | Link to this
Corporal, I was simply highlighting John’s promise to “do something” for the good of the nation. The only problem with John’s promise was that it was conditioned on his becoming president. What’s the matter. Hasn’t being Senator all these years been good enough to get something done. Now, you expect Obama to solve the world’s problems before he even takes office. You don’t really expect him to set sail on a three hour tour like McKinney, do you. Anyone can showboat — just watch a Republican politician. Few can lead.
By sunshine and thunder
December 30, 2008 9:28 PM | Link to this
CHAD HARRIS
Yours in italian. Mine in Englaish.
Chick Fil-A high school students are better educated than Palin and almost any son or daughter of anyone I know in high school thinks Palin is a moron and can answer her interview questions more appropriately.
Do you pick your friends like you pick your seat? And what is a “Chic fil A high school? You know a well rounded group of high school students. Whay year are you?
But what prompts an analogy is that like Palin, Kennedy has had no experience that would translate to being a capable Senator, and of course that applies to half the Senate. She is only being considered because her name recognition is thought to be capable of fund raising.
Of course Obama has a wealth of experience. He was governor of a large state. No? Well he was mayor of a town. No? Well he lead the Harvard Law Review, dammit!
She is terrible on her feet as a candidate, and does sound errily like a kid with the “you knows” punctuating every 3 words the way the valley girl mimics of Gen Y and Gen X are doing with the word “like.”
Do ‘you knows’ relate in any way to the uh’s and er’s that Obama uses instead of paragraphs?
The reason Kennedy will not get the appointment though, is that she is so unprepared, despite her Harvard and Columbia law school education which really has little to do with your ability to tackle current domestic and foreign issues, is that she is afraid to interview with anyone just like Palin essentially was.
Exactly. There really isn’t anything to write home about just because you have been to Harvard or Columbia. But just wait until Obama gets interviewed off the cuff. Sarah Palin blew ‘em away, didn’t she?
Despite her education, I believe if Kennedy were to interview with even softball throwers Charlie Gibson and Katie tonight, she’d look pathetic.
Er, uh, er, uh like Obama?
She of course would not say the consummately stupid things Palin said, but she is unprepared to talk about issues. Kennedy is essentially a woman who lived every bit the life of a superficial Park Avenue Socialite and was incurious to use the polite phrase often used to refer to dimwit Bush and his dimwit wife about most issues. She lacked the interest to vote in most every election until this one. She has little knowledge of New York’s problems, little knowledge of foreign policy, and wouldn’t even commit to supporting the Democratic candidate for Mayor of New York against Mike Bloomberg, her old Park Avenue friend.
Of course your main point is that Sarah Palin is an idiot because she is a Republican and C. Kennedy is just a half idiot because she hasn’t even bothered to vote in 20 years.
Kennedy didn’t vote in New York state and federal elections over the last twenty something years. Lines aren’t done by Park Avenue heiresses ever—they are much too common. Heiresses are whisked off their pony and into limos. They don’t shop for themselves, and they don’t cook for themselves, and certainly they don’t clean anything they own inclouding their homes.
You know so much about heiresses but so little about small town women who raise families and hunt. Are you related to an heiress?
Kennedy cannot answer any direct questions whatsoever and she was miserable in her meeting with the NYT editorial board last week. She made a fool of herself and they reported it. You can consider that her Couric and Gibson interview rolled into one.
Let’s see, it was about, what, September before Obama answered any questions directly without a teleprompter? (I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt.)
Despite inheriting hundreds of millions, Kennedy’s total contribution to Democratic candidates for state office during the past ten years was a grand. She gave $2500 to Hillary who gave it back when Kennedy supported Obama.
But she helped Obama pick Biden as a running mate. Brilliant choice!!
Kennedy showed reprehensible arrogance in taking no questions from the press whatsoever thus far, and asked for written questions to be submitted. Why is obvious. She can pick the questions, have the answers researched by her servants and her expensive public relations firm, and she does not have to be original and spontaneous or really answer any of them.
She has been talking this over with Hillary Clinton, shhhh.
People who ask for written questions to be submitted or afraid of being inadequate to answer them and in Kennedy’s case that fear is very well placed.
You mean like democrats in general?
David Paterson is now very irked and resentful that people have tried to pressure him into appointing her, and he’s not very impressed with her performance or credentials. He has also gotten clear messages from Sheldon Silver the speaker, and the power players in the New York legislature that they are squarely opposed to her when there are so many qualified candidates in their own ranks and from the House of Representatives (Congress) like Carolyn Maloney who could represent News York much better—know the people from corner to corner of the state and the issues.
How about Rick Lazio?
Kennedy hasn’t even been in 99% of New York. It’s over for her.
Which makes her more qualified than Hillary.
*It’s no accident Hillary isn’t resigning until her confirmation takes place. There is no love lost between the Clinton’s and the Kennedy’s now. Hillary knows that if she had resigned, Paterson might have appointed her quickly before Kennedy could deliver such a poor performance. The Clintons are taking a quiet delight in Kennedy flying into the ground as she is now. Kennedy has already said she won’t run in 2010 unless the seat is handed to her. So buh buh Caroline. Back to Park Avenue socialitism and Museum fund raising balls with the Kravaths.
Don’t you mean there is no love lost between the Clinton’s?
She is using the same strategy PR team that worked for Bloomberg and Leiberman and its strategy has been terrible for her.
Yeah, women can’t use male strategy PR teams, right Chad?
They should have tried to prep her and bring her up to speed. Unlike Palin Kennedy has a head that could have absorbed coaching faster. But they didn’t. She’s going to fail, and that’s good for the country and good for the state of New York.
Kennedy’s head is spongy? I didn’t know. What’s good for New York is good for Georgia - and Alaska.
By The Corporal
December 30, 2008 9:36 PM | Link to this
To Taxpayer
I hear you but as you know I have been involved in Presidential races firsthand since 1972.
I have never (repeat never) seen a President Elect be so arrogant and self-serving/promoting after his election but before being sworn in …. from that stupid seal to it’s a shame the inauguration is not until January 20th as I have all the answers now (I’m paraphrasing).
If he had stayed quietly in the background until it was his turn we wouldn’t be having this discussion.
It’s like an old coach who was fired and the newly hired coach for the next season shows up on the sideline talking to the Junior, Sophomore and Freshmen players during a very close bowl game. It really is shameful and narcissistic - in my opinion.
He had the talk, now let’s see the walk. He wanted to come out of the starting blocks before the gun went off so he has made his own bed.
He built himself up ….. time to perform ……… or his political fall will be bigger than what happened to Bush.
By sunshine and thunder
December 30, 2008 9:39 PM | Link to this
BARACK the MAGICIAN
Or:
The Art of the Impossible
“I will cut taxes for 95% of Americans. (Just wait until you see how much THAT tax cut will cost you.)
By Chad Harris
December 30, 2008 9:42 PM | Link to this
AJC Management Chick Fill-A Whatevah has indulged in a lot of fantasy here. I wonder if he’s written any fiction. He’s short on any facts with his JJJ Million dollar hyperbole—LOL like he knows any facts that took place in Illinois.
Back in the real world, legally…
There is a considerable question as to whether the Senate can legally block Blago’s appointment of Buriss.
There’s no precedent for it, but there is a legal precedent where the Court decided that the House couldn’t block Adam Clayton Powell.
Although Harry Reid and Dick Durbin invoked Article I, Section 5 there is no clear precedent for invoking it.
Maybe the Ivy league law grads and Northwestern law grads in their offices should bone up on S. Ct. case law.
And if Burris wants to tie this up for a couple years percolating his battle to the S. Ct. he can do just that but it will be expensive in dollars unless he has some backers with deep pockets.
There are law profs. who would take the case though because it is a constitutional question in the limelight.
Supreme Court precedent suggests “no”: The Court held in Powell v. McCormack 395 U.S. 486 (1969), that “in judging the qualifications of its members Congress is limited to the standing qualifications prescribed in the Constitution,” such as age and citizenship. Now perhaps the Senators are right and the Court was wrong, and perhaps today’s Court would overrule Powell. But at least at this point, Powell seems to make clear that under Article I, Section 5 the Senate may determine whether the Senator should be seated solely based on the objective qualifications that the Constitution prescribes, and not based on its judgment whether Gov. Blagojevich ought to be entitled to make the appointment.
The case is here. When you’re not reveling in the fantasy world of AJC “Management” (I sure as hell hope not for Cox’s sake but who knows) you might read this case:
http://supreme.justia.com/us/395/486/case.html
Further, historically the Senate also took up qualifications of someone to sit, but Mr. Burris having been AG and Comptroller of Illinois over 20 years and turning in a capable performance doesn’t seem to parallel that situation.
Shortly after the Civil War, when Hiram Revels was elected as a Republican Senator from Mississippi, his qualifications were challenged in the Senate. It is true that that challenge was based upon his alleged lack of Constitutional qualifications; as a native-born African American (though a free black prior to the Civil War - he attended Knox College, a hotbed of abolitionism that had the temerity to admit blacks prior to the Civil War without regard to their race), the argument was made that, under the Dred Scott decision, he was not a Citizen prior to the ratification of the 13th Amendment, and thus had not been a citizen for the required 9 years. After a lengthy and acrimonious fight, Revels was seated as a U.S. Senator.
By sunshine and thunder
December 30, 2008 9:49 PM | Link to this
Barack is really magic.
Just ask this woman.
By The Corporal
December 30, 2008 9:50 PM | Link to this
Chad
I’m not sure that’s a good example.
The Constitution was disregarded many times during and after the War Between the United States of America and the Confederate States of America.
Does that mean it is o.k. to disregard it now based on Unconstitutional precedent?
By Paul
December 30, 2008 9:55 PM | Link to this
Well, Oklahoma State is up over Oregon Ducks at the half. OSU’s star playmaker (what, over 100 yards and one touchdown) is out with an injury. We’ll see if he comes back, but even if he doesn’t - OSU takes ‘em, and the Mighty Ducks are a fun, gamechanging team.
Gotta keep our priorities straight, here, folks - it’s Bowl Season!
By The Corporal
December 30, 2008 10:06 PM | Link to this
To Paul
You’re right !
Meanwhile, in the Chicago Bowl the score is tied and we will probably go into overtime because the U.S. Attorney fumbled by not keeping those wires up to get that interception on number 44 !
By JAY BOOKMAN
December 30, 2008 10:09 PM | Link to this
The Mighty Ducks, Paul?
Two of my very best friends are Ducks. (And conservative at that, but I digress)
But you can’t be Mighty Ducks. It sounds too much like Mighty Mites. Ducks ain’t mighty — by definition.
I mean seriously — does anyone call themselves the Mighty Lions or Mighty Titans? No. That would be redundant. Only someone called the Ducks would feel it necessary to proclaim themselves Mighty, in hopes of easing the embarrassment.
Although actually, I think the official nickname is “Fighting Ducks.” Which rather proves my point.
“FIghting Ducks?”
Ooh. Scary, huh?
By Taxpayer
December 30, 2008 10:18 PM | Link to this
Well, Corporal,
As you well know, I too have been involved in Presidential elections since 1972 and so my firsthand involvement cancels your firsthand involvement since I’m quite certain that my firsthand was always the polar opposite of yours. There. Now that we have dispensed with the formalities, if Bush were acting more like a president than like a suspect giving a deposition, then perhaps Obama would not need to be in the limelight at this point in time. If Bush would sign an executive order of any true value, then Obama could already be calling the shots. If Bush and the Republican fiasco had spent more time thinking about how to best serve we the people instead of their egos then maybe we would not be in the mess that requires intervention by a president elect…If, If, If….
By The Corporal
December 30, 2008 10:25 PM | Link to this
To Taxpayer
If, if, if doesn’t change the arrogance of Obama. That may come back to haunt him.
Enjoyed the exchange.
By Taxpayer
December 30, 2008 10:33 PM | Link to this
Corporal,
If arrogance is what you see in Obama, then it’s only there to cancel that which has been so prevalent from within the Republican party and that’s something that will be around haunting us for years to come.
Good night.
By Paul
December 30, 2008 10:40 PM | Link to this
Jay 10:09
I hafta admit, I was thinking “Ducks” and saw, in my mind’s eye, Emilio Estevez. It’s late…
The only two conservatives in Oregon, and Ducks yet, and you find them, and become friends. Amazing. Just goes to show anything’s possible!
Fighting ducks? Scary? Heck yes! Think about it - they haven’t let Cheney anywhere near any bird, let alone ducks, since his last ‘episode.’ Ducks’d send him into absolute discombobulation!
By The Corporal
December 30, 2008 11:05 PM | Link to this
To Taxpayer
Goodnight Alfalfa ……..
By Bud Wiser
December 31, 2008 12:56 PM | Link to this
Oh, I get it. The morons can denigrate and trash talk, abusive, foul, and/or vulgar, about Conservatives and Republicans (Sarah Palin in particular), but say one nasty thing about the elitist Caroline Kennedy, and you get pulled.
The double standard of the left is alive and well.
I suppose that saying Joe Paterno and Penn State are both living proof of the stupidity of many will cause a pull also.
I’d like to get more in, but the obviousness of my struggle against this brain-damaged morality play wears even the prolific Bud down at times.
A level playing field when it comes to who and how certain people in the public eye are talked about is all I ask. Certainly not this myopic level of (allegedly) journalistic application I and others like me fight every day. Just remember, without us, you are nothing. All of you little tools go jam your heads deeper into the sand and wait for Congress to come up upon you from behind. Also remember that 47.1% of the American people DID NOT vote for the Messiah, and you idiots are already propping him up like some kind of GOD before he has even done one little thing. Your undisguised hatred for Bush has warped and twisted your senses of reasonability and social interaction. You wanted change? Where is it? In all the Clinton era rehires?? Change from Bush? What??
You know not what you want.
I am here to point out the fallibility of the masses when they try to think and act collectively, the “dumbing down” effect you tools foster upon yourselves. You almost masturbate yourselves into a sexual-like frenzy when speaking of The Token One, a man who has revealed virtually nothing to you or anyone else about what makes him tick, how he will lead (I refer to the change again into recycled Clintonites), yet you fall for it, fall into this darkness of a person of which you have no concept whatsoever of what kind of man he is.
Well, go ahead. But don’t raise a whisper, do not lodge one protest, when this mystery man and his all-too-well-known associates in Congress come for your wallet, your bank account, your retirements, etc, etc, etc, to pay for all the crap he’s going to throw at everyone but you.
And you will have your pointy little heads aimed skyward saying “Why not me, why aren’t I getting any of the freebies you promised, why am I having to pay for your freebies, the bailouts, Congressional retirement plans (a really good subject that needs broached soon), auto companies, banks, Wall Street, and virtually everyone that has failed financially while I worked my whole life and saved up only to see it given to the freaks, cheaters and losers? Why, Oh why me?”
Suck on that, losers.
By Rolly
January 5, 2009 5:36 PM | Link to this
I’m a first generation U.S. born cuban. Born and raised in Miami. All Cuban family, including at least 75 Cuban friends that also have an all or half Cuban family. That poll FIU conjured is a complete JOKE. I laughed when I saw it on the news. Do not kid yourself people; the majority of the Cuban exiles in Miami definitely do not condone lifting the embargo. FIU has many interests, of which does not include the thoughts of the Cuban refugees.