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DEL.ICIO.USThe GOP’s minority ‘outreach’
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
The GOP is apparently intent on continuing its minority outreach program — if by outreach you mean a running back’s stiff-arm to any minority voter who might come close.
The latest event was the decision by one of the top candidates for the post of Republican National Committee chairman to send out a CD to RNC members containing a song about “Barack the Magic Negro,” sung to the tune of “Puff the Magic Dragon” by someone impersonating Al Sharpton.
The lovely tune was originally broadcast on Rush Limbaugh’s show. But Chip Saltsman of Tennessee apparently doesn’t understand that it’s one thing to play the segment on a controversial talk radio show, and another to have it sent out by someone wanting to be elected to head the national party and serve as party spokesman.
It brings to mind the local Republican official here in Georgia who sent out an email to her fellow Republicans not so long ago with a doctored photo of Obama as a black lawn jockey, among others. She wasn’t a racist, she insisted, and neither were the 20 or so Georgia conservatives who had sent the photo to her.
One of the more curious responses came from Erick Erickson over at redstate.com. “”In any event, that Chip Saltsman did this shows poor judgment on his part,” Erickson writes. “He should have known this would happen. This is a distraction from the RNC Chairman’s race coming on the heels of revelations that South Carolina GOP Chairman, and fellow contender, Katon Dawson belonged to an all white country club shortly before he decided to run for RNC Chairman.”
So far, so good. However, Erickson also believe that “There is absolutely nothing racist about the song, but the race baiters of the world love to think there is. The added humor is that the song accurately captures the problems of the race baiters in American with Obama as President.”
Erickson goes on to chide the current RNC chair, Mike Duncan for saying he was “shocked and appalled that anyone would think this is appropriate, as it clearly does not move us in the right direction.” To Erickson, “This suggests he doesn’t keep up with Rush Limbaugh, which suggests he’s a bit disconnected from the roots of the party.”
So Limbaugh now apparently sets the standard for what’s appropriate in the Republican Party? Is he, in effect, the unofficial RNC chairman, with the official titleholder bound to follow Limbaugh’s lead?
Comments
By Mrs. Godzilla
December 29, 2008 7:55 AM | Link to this
It was racist when Rush played it.
It was racist when Saltzman sent it out.
By catlady
December 29, 2008 8:14 AM | Link to this
There is no one so blind as he who refuses to see. The response to the “mistake” is quite telling—no mea culpa. Just excuses. Like the last 8 years.
By lovelyliz
December 29, 2008 8:25 AM | Link to this
And the GOP wonders why minorities just don’t like them?!?!?!!?
By floridablackgirl
December 29, 2008 8:30 AM | Link to this
The problem with this-other than the fact that it is very inappropriate and in bad taste-is that it shows how out of touch many leaders of the RNC is with America as a whole.
Limbaugh is just a nobody DJ with a big mouth using his American Rights to say what he wants…But this guy who distributed this recently is looking to be the face of the RNC! Ha ha, this is why America (who doesn’t subscribe to these out of taste connotations) said enough is enough….! The old attitudes that spew “Negro” jokes by white (who always sing: I’m not racist!) folks looking back instead of looking forward is why Mr. Obama is President-Elect.
I am glad this was finally given more light because I heard it on the Rush show too. I was appalled then, and I am appalled now. The RNC lost the election because they are out of touch with MOST AMERICANS-who cannot relate to them and their party ideals, which many (though few) are what many Americans DO ascribe to (family first, pro-life, minimal government, tax-cuts, etc or whatever they are . But they are in dire need of a slap in the face because this is beyond silly. Its absolutely stupid. But this is what I have come to expect from the Grand Ol’ Party.
By ScaryBob
December 29, 2008 8:30 AM | Link to this
Wow, the Repugnican Party’s solution to losing one arm is to cut off the other… can’t wait to see Sarah Failin run again in 2012.
By AmVet
December 29, 2008 8:33 AM | Link to this
Any word yet from one of Georgia’s favorite elected crackers - Lynn Westmoreland - as to his thoughts about this song and that uppity Barack?
I wonder if any of his constituents thought to give him a “Blazing Saddles” DVD for Christmas.
The Old White Guy Party doing their damnedest to get humiliated in a few more elections…
By Keith Givens
December 29, 2008 8:33 AM | Link to this
We have seen the racist - and him is us!
By roniram
December 29, 2008 8:35 AM | Link to this
It’s ironic when people make racist statements, the first thing they or their defenders say is that “I’m no racists” or “this isn’t racists” Since when do THEY get to make the determination as to what is racists? I’m sure people who blew up churches, killed innocent men and women, and denied basic human rights for blacks considered themselves God-fearing Christians, but did that make them so? Saltsman and Rush both show how out of touch they are with the rest of America. Saltsman for making it, and Rush for playing it. No wonder the Republican Party is having the issues they have.
By Jon Younger
December 29, 2008 8:40 AM | Link to this
These guys are contending for a significant national leadership position. Beyond the blatant racism of their actions, its pretty obvious that these are dumb, dumb people.
By Taxpayer
December 29, 2008 8:40 AM | Link to this
Well,
We have all surely known for some time now that Rush the magic Limbaugh is the embodiment of the new Republican party. These are Republicans that need more than a mouthpiece. A plain old blowhard just will not do. No. These new Republicans need someone that can read. Someone that will read to them. Someone to show them the way. See the John. See the John pay….
By Mike
December 29, 2008 8:45 AM | Link to this
Tell us again about petty and divisive conservative pundits. This from the liberal pundit who spent days on “uppity” and refers to any who don’t share his narrow views on immigration and gay marriage “bigots” and “gay bashers”.
Of course Limbaugh is a disgustingly petty and divisive pundit, Jay. What you don’t seem to be capable of understanding is that you are just the same.
By DB, Gwinnettian
December 29, 2008 8:47 AM | Link to this
“So Limbaugh now apparently sets the standard for what’s appropriate in the Republican Party? “
No offense, Jay, but is this really news to you?
By Mike
December 29, 2008 8:52 AM | Link to this
Oh and I forgot to point out that the angry partisan liberals who visit this board and support Bookman’s divisive views are no different than Rush’s dittoheads. You are all convinced that your side is “right” and that any who disagree are morally defective. Same difference.
By ByteMe
December 29, 2008 8:54 AM | Link to this
Meanwhile, Wooten over on his blog is trying to convince himself that Bush will be proven right and seen as one of the best presidents… we just have to wait a while to figure it out. Maybe even a long while. If you only get to be “right” after you’re dead, was it really worth it?
As for The Magic Negro CD: you ever wonder why there are so few Black country music stars? What Saltsman did was “play to his base.” Same with Limbaugh and Erickson. Not a surprise at all.
By The BlogFather of Scroll
December 29, 2008 8:55 AM | Link to this
But Barack IS magic: half negro, half white; half jurist, half jihadist; half Osama sound-alike, half Osama spell alike; half human, half spider; half philanthropist, half bat: He’s spider-bat!
Yes, spider-bat, a BlackWidow mullato-in-waiting from another world, who responds only to reflected sound bites, where, disquised as a mild mannered president elect, he spins his collective web of hope, justice and changing the American Way.
This racism is the phoenix of the new conservatism, and will fall back onto the ash-heap of history, where the GOP belongs.
Dont crowd the shroud of the Right! Give them some room to step in their own traps.
Of course, we allow the Right these fumbles; it’s amusing. Besides, Obama’s administration hasn’t started yet. We will soon not have the time nor the inclination to indulge the right these shenanigans any longer. We have a country to change, and a world to convince.
Obama 09: He’s right for what’s left of America
By AJC/DNC Management
December 29, 2008 8:55 AM | Link to this
Los Angeles Times, March 19th, 2007-
Obama the ‘Magic Negro’ The Illinois senator lends himself to white America’s idealized, less-than-real black man.
That is where the parody originated and it is wormy as hell to write an article criticizing something with out mentioning that.
And you can quote all the pink state whiners you want, the song is still funnier than hell.
By double standard
December 29, 2008 8:57 AM | Link to this
was it racist when kanye west said that “George Bush doesn’t care about black people”?
is it racist when jesse jackson and al sharpton open their mouths every five minutes to remind us of how the white man is ruining America?
is it racist that whenever a black man kills a white man it’s a “murder” but whenever a white man kills a black man it’s a “murderous hate crime”?
Apparently liberals want to throw the race card around all day long but can’t stand it when someone makes a joke about their chosen one. After criticizing every little thing that Bush has done for the last eight years, you would think that they could handle a joke song, but I guess they can’t even handle that.
The republican party has not given up on black people as there are plenty of strong black conservatives out there. But I guess they don’t count because they don’t praise ohblama. Maybe if the democrats want to see the real racists of America they should look in the mirror!
By Mr Snarky
December 29, 2008 8:59 AM | Link to this
I guess the RNC figures pretty much all is lost, so they might as well have fun with it. I thought “Puff” was about smoking weed…which is what they must be doing at RNC headquarters. So, when do you think they’ll move headquarters to Arkansas or Mississippi? Then they can fly rebel flags and shed any vestiges of intellectual respectability.
By @@
December 29, 2008 9:04 AM | Link to this
I say put Michael Steele on their case. He’ll tell ‘em what it feels like to be portrayed as a Sambo, called an Uncle Tom and “tossed” aside like an Oreo.
And those attacks came from the left, jay.
Go Michael!!!!
By Ron Payne
December 29, 2008 9:08 AM | Link to this
The RNC requires great leadership at this time in history. That void remains vacant and no one running for RNC Chairman appears to “get it”. Both parties are defined by what their leaders/candidates say and do (and more recently did). The rhetoric of our important elections and confirmation of judical appoitees is shrill and often crude. The world sees and listens to all of this and in the process we are weakened as a nation. I am a long time Republican but I cheer for Mr. Obama’s success. He is my President now and I pray for him and how he will handle the terrible crisis’ we face. I also pray that Rush and his ilk will not badger Mr. Obama relentlessly over a “stain on his tie”. Give him a chance Americans, he very well may be our last chance!
By DB, Gwinnettian
December 29, 2008 9:12 AM | Link to this
roniram @ 8:35 (and floridablackgirl @ 8.30), in my experience, when people make racist statements, they don’t bother with the niceties you mention. Rather, these days, they go straight for the “best defense is a good offense” option and accuse the accuser of being the “real racist.”
I imagine we’ll be serenaded with the “liberal plantation” meme and suchlike in short order from the usual suspects.
By AJC/DNC Management
December 29, 2008 9:25 AM | Link to this
In the interest of fairness, which the Urinal has no idea of-
Barack the Magic Negro lives in D.C.
The L.A. Times, they called him that
‘Cause he’s not authentic like me.
Yeah, the guy from the L.A. paper
Said he makes guilty whites feel good
They’ll vote for him, and not for me
‘Cause he’s not from the hood.
See, real black men, like Snoop Dog,
Or me, or Farrakhan
Have talked the talk, and walked the walk.
Not come in late and won!
[refrain] Oh, Barack the Magic Negro, lives in D.C.
The L.A. Times, they called him that
‘Cause he’s black, but not authentically.
Oh, Barack the Magic Negro, lives in D.C.
The L.A. Times, they called him that
‘Cause he’s black, but not authentically.
Some say Barack’s “articulate”
And bright and new and “clean.”
The media sure loves this guy,
A white interloper’s dream!
But, when you vote for president,
Watch out, and don’t be fooled!
Don’t vote the Magic Negro in -
‘Cause — ‘cause I won’t have nothing after all these years of sacrifice
[refrain] Oh, Barack the Magic Negro, lives in D.C.
The L.A. Times, they called him that
‘Cause he’s black, but not authentically.
Oh, Barack the Magic Negro, lives in D.C.
The L.A. Times, they called him that
‘Cause he’s black, but not authentically.
And doesn’t it crack you up to hear these libs whine and moan about Limbaugh, they got their Limbaughs to only they are too stupid to know it.
What do you think Bookman is, well, without the vast, well paying audience?
CBS “news?”
CNN?
No better, no worse.
By Mrs. Godzilla
December 29, 2008 9:30 AM | Link to this
Who’s Down With the GOP?: Famous Black Republicans
An interesting aside.
By The Corporal
December 29, 2008 9:37 AM | Link to this
It is so pathetic that so many people do not know the defintion of the word racist. Try using bigoted or prejudiced or even insentive (as applicable) but please be accurate and honest in your debating.
Now that said, and in my sometimes insensitive opinion, I believe there will come a day (maybe sooner than we think) when minorities will reach out to the Republican Party and not the other way around. However, that will only happen if the party returns to its roots (no pun intended).
By FrankLeeDarling
December 29, 2008 9:44 AM | Link to this
It is funny how righteous bigots become when confronted with their bigotry.
By Taxpayer
December 29, 2008 9:48 AM | Link to this
I wonder if old Rush the magic Limbaugh provides his loyal base of “Johns” access to free transcripts of all his shows in case they want to impress their friends with their cut and paste skills. Rush probably keeps a copy of that poem about Obama available on his web site (in a .wav file format, of course) so that all of his loyal Republican fans can get to it when they need another fix. For his most devout followers though, he really needs to consider burning it on 8-track.
By Abomi Nation
December 29, 2008 9:48 AM | Link to this
If Barack Obama is true to his word he should invite Chip Saltsman to speak at the Inaugural. You know, for inclusion, reaching out, and for change and all.
Or perhaps the gay marching band can play “Barack the Magic Negro” while marching in the Inaugural parade.
Something about bringing different views together, like Obama said he would. I’m sure there are a few things Obama and Saltsman agree on. Its time to bring the country together.
How about it?
By RealityKing
December 29, 2008 9:50 AM | Link to this
One mans funny is another’s racist tendencies. Of course the difference is that usually republicans don’t quit the church to openly reject a loonies preaching style.
As far as outreach, independence and self reliance clearly speak for themselves. And those who chose the narrow path are almost always better off than those graveling for dependence from others.
By Copyleft
December 29, 2008 9:51 AM | Link to this
It’s even funnier watching the faithful try to defend their fascist leaders when they make fools of themselves.
The GOP leadership really is out of touch, aren’t they? They simply have no idea what the difference is between criticizing a man’s policies and sneering at his skin color.
And they wonder why they lost….
By AJC/DNC Management
December 29, 2008 9:57 AM | Link to this
Here’s a good example of the Chicago Tribune being a rag and a wanna be Limbaugh-
Possibility No. 1: Blagojevich was doing a little Saddam Hussein, mixed with a little David Mamet. Remember how everybody was convinced for so long that Hussein was the meanest guy in the meanest neighborhood, and was not to be crossed? Until it turned out that he actually didn’t have any of those weapons of mass destruction everybody was so worried about, but that he wanted people to think he did, so he acted big?
Well, what if the governor was doing the same sort of foul-talking, “I’m-a-tough-Chicago-pol-and-I-say-how-it’s-gonna-be” act whenever his own people were around, even if he never intended to follow up on any of it, so that the word would get out across his state: “Don’t mess with him”?
Oh, so Blagojevich was bargaining with his Oblahmi blow up doll, eh?
And the zit faced teenage kult worship is never ending-
Woman of the year: Michelle Obama
Why, sniff, sniff, waaaaaaaaaaaa, sniff, I’m sooooooo happy for her!!!
Of course the Live! section has half of Big O on the top of the page and that gigantic Big O as-s on the bottom half, could they not photoshop?
ew
By GOP is gone
December 29, 2008 10:03 AM | Link to this
Typical nitwits and their typical nitwit reactions. Kettle.. meet Mike, anyone who disagrees with my narrow minded viewpoint is narrow minded.
Funny how I heard a commentary on NPR this morning from a French Journalist who said that Europe was astounded when America was able to elect Obama. Europeans might have to change their opinions of Americans being backward and ultra-religious. Luckily, they probably do not listen to the likes of Rush. And lets face it, Rushs and O’Reillys are just out for number one and shouting all the way to the bank.
Now everyone let fly about how you could care less about the Europeans, blah blah blah. Or any other country on this planet except Israel because they are fulfilling the Revelation prophecy.
By YVONNE-KENTUCKY
December 29, 2008 10:07 AM | Link to this
THIS IS SO TYPICAL OF THE TRUE BIGOTS IN THIS COUNTRY I HOPE THEY CONTINUE WITH IGNORANT MOVES LIKE THIS IT ONLY HELPS PRESIDENT ELECT BARACK OBAMA. THEY CAN MAKE ALL THE IGNORANT COMMENTS THEY WANT IT DOES NOT CHANGE THE FACT THIS COUNTRY HAS A BLACK PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol HIS BLACK FAMILY WILL BE SLEEPING IN THE WHITE HOUSE LIKE IT LUMP IT “WE BARACK THE MAGIC NEGRO SUPPORTERS DON’T GIVE A FLYING F*CK”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HEY RNC/LIMBAUGHS KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK.
By Midori
December 29, 2008 10:08 AM | Link to this
Andy,
what does that nonsense you posted @ 9:57 have to do with ANYTHING remotely linked to the topic at hand?
I must agree with others who have stated that you really need to start your own blog.
You rarely make any sense whatsoever.
By Mr Snarky
December 29, 2008 10:10 AM | Link to this
Comparing Bookman to Limbaugh is like comparing reasonable, respectable, intelligent apples to loud mouthed, outrageous, fear mongering, publicity whoring oranges. And yes, the second one is Limbaugh. I don’t know how you wingnuts stand all those ads for vinyl siding.
By Taxpayer
December 29, 2008 10:11 AM | Link to this
The worst possible scenario for the devout followers of Rush the magic Limbaugh would be it Sean the lame Hannity were to air his talk show at the same time. Of course, if that were to happen there would certainly be renewed interest in the south for the equivalent of a Dish Network DVR for the radio — something that would record one channel while allowing you to listen to another. Of course, in-dash would be preferred but under-dash would do in a pinch.
By Dusty
December 29, 2008 10:20 AM | Link to this
Ho hum Bookman has thrown out another bunch of whoopee and all the libs shout “Halleluia”.
I won’t even bother with this one. Just more Bookmania and Bookmakazee followers. Who needs it? Not me. Have fun.
By The Corporal
December 29, 2008 10:21 AM | Link to this
To Midori from previous blog:
By The Corporal
December 28, 2008 5:54 PM | Link to this
To Midori
It wasn’t meant as a negative comment - only the real world.
He is not even President yet. Security will wratchet up even more. He will have to get used to it or he will place himself (and his family) in even more danger if he forces any cutbacks. He can do that, as he is the President, but it would be very unwise.
Camp David will help as a retreat, but it’s just not the same. You live in a protective bubble and it gets old very quickly. Your only privacy is in the living quarters in the White House.
Sad but true. Goes with the territory.
It will be especially hard on the two girls.
P.S. - You’re not keeping up.
By Truthman
December 29, 2008 10:21 AM | Link to this
“Andi the magic Redneck:”
Andi the magic redneck lives with his mom/ In his basement lair he writes in his chair about who Jesus would bomb. Little RW and @@ loved that rascal Andi/The chimed right in and “dittoed” him and think that he’s just dandy!
Copyright 2008 Truthman productions!!
Please feel free to add verses!!
By Swami Dave
December 29, 2008 10:24 AM | Link to this
In the end, the candidate simply offered me continued reason to support Michael Steele. Here you have someone who lacks the awareness to recognize the difference between being a pundit / talk show host and a party leader.
By greg
December 29, 2008 10:26 AM | Link to this
Dear Republicans,
Keep up the great work and thanks for the best Christmas ever!
-A Democratic Voter-
By The BlogFather of Scroll
December 29, 2008 10:26 AM | Link to this
The Right is making Obama sound like Dumbledork from the Harry Potter novels. isn’t he gay? So there it is again: The christian conservative right and their homo-erotic imagination riffing butt-buddy songs and Andy plying his lipstick riffs to the tune of the tapped rhythms and stallwart percussions of the different drum Andy beats to.
Homerun.
bwa
Andy’s contribution is so gay, that he is quickly becoming defacto civil rights advocate, as his message of tolerance mainstreams. He should run for the RNC chair. You cant read one line of Andy without hearing that gay lilt. When U read Andy, hear a slight tard accent over the gay lilt, and then Andy makes perfect sense.
This is what I know about Andy and his comments. I share without bias. I am an Obamablogger.
All are welcome in Obamablog.
By AmVet
December 29, 2008 10:34 AM | Link to this
I always laugh when the most self-repressed and reactionary morons in the Republican Party try to be hip. Or even relevant.
Peter Yarrow, who wrote Puff the Magic Dragon thinks the effort is “not only offensive, it is shocking and saddening in the extreme.” He adds the song “insults the office of the Presidency” and takes a kids’ song and twists it into a “vulgar, mean-spirited … slur.”
These culturally brain-dead, bible thumping, nauseating fraud conservatives simply should not dabble in modern culture.
AT ALL.
Music, film, comedy, sports - none of it.
Granted, plenty of disgusting, misogynist, bigoted rappers use the N-word and worse all the time, and that is often given a free pass.
But clearly the Republitoadies here are big fans of moral equivalency, so one slimy dipstick on the left calls for one of their own on the right.
And that the always repulsive Limbaugh is one of the most intolerant bigots to ever be lionized in this country says volumes about the degenerate losers who hang on his every word.
This hijacked, full of scumbags GOP is digging a hole that will without question take them a VERY long time to climb out of.
What a shame that the people of intellect and class in that decaying party are outnumbered ten to one.
Let us all hope that we are looking at a second forty years where they are the minority party…
By Scholar
December 29, 2008 10:54 AM | Link to this
Rush Limbaugh is the biggest hypocrite to walk that face of the earth, and anyone who listens to him is an idiot. He needs to go pop a bottle full of oxycontin and do us all a favor.
The GOP is a party full of closet racists who are quickly fading as far as relevance. They can’t/won’t acknowledge the demographic shifts in America. I wish I could proclaim them dead, but like the Taliban, I suspect they will be back.
By Midori
December 29, 2008 10:59 AM | Link to this
Corporal -
you try to keep up.
I prefer not to engage in discussions from yesterday on today’s blog.
It wasn’t an issue then, and it’s not an issue now.
By The BlogFather of Scroll
December 29, 2008 11:05 AM | Link to this
The Right is making Obama sound like Dumbledork from the Harry Potter novels. isn’t he gay? So there it is again: The christian conservative right and their homo-erotic imagination riffing butt-buddy songs and Andy plying his lipstick riffs to the tune of the tapped rhythms and stallwart percussions of the different drum Andy beats to.
Homerun.
bwa
Andy’s contribution is so gay, that he is quickly becoming defacto civil rights advocate, as his message of tolerance mainstreams. He should run for the RNC chair. You cant read one line of Andy without hearing that gay lilt. When U read Andy, hear a slight tard accent over the gay lilt, and then Andy makes perfect sense.
By Lee
December 29, 2008 11:25 AM | Link to this
What’s really sad is that although Chip Saltsman and Rush Limbaugh want a Republican to be their president, Obama will not only be their president, but also the president of the rest of the country. For the past eight years we have lived through a president who was president only for his base, and not for the entire country.
Yes, America has many racists, and I’m one of them, too. However, Obama at least opens the door for the racists to work with everyone else in solving the nation’s problems and moving toward peace and prosperity. I’m tired of those on the inside making all the decisions for us, and running the nation according to strict party and neo-con guidelines, rather than what’s right, proper and in the public interest.
The time of Obama’s presidency will be not the time of excluding bigots, but of including them in government, while shining a light on their bigotry. Shady guys prefer the dark, and this light will shame us, first to making excuses, then in changing our behavior. We will all benefit from that.
By GOP is gone
December 29, 2008 11:25 AM | Link to this
Wait………..You read Andi?
By steve-o
December 29, 2008 11:32 AM | Link to this
The song may not be racist, but it’s definitely not very appealing to blacks. I mean it’s truly funny to see the GOP consistently cut their own throats by alienating a segment of American society. You don’t attract black voters to a political party by using a term like “negro” and then shouting “get over it”.
By spankmonkey
December 29, 2008 11:44 AM | Link to this
Is it funnier than this: Link:Rush himself sings this
Soon, hopefully, he’ll go the way of the Kimmer…
By Sam
December 29, 2008 12:02 PM | Link to this
By Mike
December 29, 2008 8:45 AM | Link to this
Tell us again about petty and divisive conservative pundits. This from the liberal pundit who spent days on “uppity” and refers to any who don’t share his narrow views on immigration and gay marriage “bigots” and “gay bashers”.
Of course Limbaugh is a disgustingly petty and divisive pundit, Jay. What you don’t seem to be capable of understanding is that you are just the same
And it sure takes one to know one doesn’t it Mike?
By The Corporal
December 29, 2008 12:10 PM | Link to this
To Midori
Then don’t ask me a question.
By Midori
December 29, 2008 12:10 PM | Link to this
Mike sounds like a broken record.
He claims to hate the blog and its author, and always finds time in his day to drop by to let us know.
Each and every day.
And his posts normally sound exactly the same. He just changes the subject, never the verb, adverb or adjective(s).
You’d think he would take his “input” to other blogs by now, wouldn’t you? As in, blogs that fit his world view and approved subject matter?
By Robert
December 29, 2008 12:18 PM | Link to this
Why is it that people who cry “racist” think it’s Ok to use terms like “cracker”, as can be seen in an earlier post here?
By tcoach
December 29, 2008 12:32 PM | Link to this
Robert, Because on this blog, when people say racism, they are only referring to white against black.
It is not offensive to verbally assault or demean any member of the caucasion race.
There is never anything about blacks being racist to middle eastern decendents, or about anything other than how racist white people are.
It is quite hypocritical and delusional but that is what we have come to expect from some posters.
Don’t be affraid to call out the person’s name it was AMvet and that individual is in a much deeper darker state of bigotry and racist ways that you could even imagine.
NOTICE how not one single person on the “left” found calling someone a cracker offensive.
See they prove to all they d not truely care about people being treated equally, they, including bookman, only care if an act of racism can someone benifit the DNC.
Do not be fooled they do not care about equality or anything similar. They only care about the DNC.
By AmVet
December 29, 2008 12:38 PM | Link to this
There is never anything about blacks being racist to middle eastern decendents, or about anything other than how racist white people are.
A complete prevarication.
Read my 10:24 about rappers.
Dr. tcoach, does your mom know you are such an outright liar?
Maybe she taught you.
By SaveOurRepublic
December 29, 2008 12:47 PM | Link to this
Folks, this baseless fodder is leveraged as (yet another) mechanism to keep the populace distracted with trivial matters & the ol’ “blame game”. “Hush Limblah” is an obvious propaganda agent for the (Globalist Elite controlled) Neocon agenda. He’s also an “entertainer” who should be taken with a grain of salt.
The issue with the GOP “leadership” is that they’ve long strayed from real (paleo)conservative principles such as smaller government, avoiding foreign entanglements, protecting the middle class & defending the Bill of Rights. Instead the phoney (neo)”conservatives” have embraced a socialist, Machiavellian agenda that goes against the grain of the Constitution. We need to awaken to the (much needed) defense of our (quickly fading) Constitutional Republic & end this incessant distraction towards the trivial!
By Doggone/GA
December 29, 2008 12:55 PM | Link to this
“Why is it that people who cry “racist” think it’s Ok to use terms like “cracker”, as can be seen in an earlier post here?”
Because too many people don’t know the meaning of “racist” and use it instead of hauvinist, diehard, doctrinaire, dogmatist, extremist, fanatic, fiend, maniac, monomaniac, partisan, persecutor, puritan, racist, sectarian, segregationist, sexist, stickler or zealot
By J Moore
December 29, 2008 1:01 PM | Link to this
I like what Dan Marino said on the ‘NFL today’ a year or so ago. He said something like “any white guy that discusses race on the air loses his job (he cited several). I like my job so I am not going to discuss this.” And so it is. Socialists like Jay can say anything they want about Republicans; however, let any white person say something about blacks and they scream like babies. They only recognize free speech when it suits them. But we don’t talk about all the blacks who pay no taxes in this country. We don’t talk about all the overhead called entitlements that the blacks and illegals steal from this nation. Well, I do and I will. I have the right because I pay taxes. In my opinion, those who pay no taxes should have no say whatsoever either in this socialist rag or in the voting booth.
By J Moore
December 29, 2008 1:04 PM | Link to this
I like what Dan Marino said on the ‘NFL today’ a year or so ago. He said something like “any white guy that discusses race on the air loses his job (he cited several). I like my job so I am not going to discuss this.” And so it is. Socialists like Jay can say anything they want about Republicans; however, let any white person say something about blacks and they scream like babies. They only recognize free speech when it suits them. But we don’t talk about all the blacks who pay no taxes in this country. We don’t talk about all the overhead called entitlements that the blacks and illegals steal from this nation. Well, I do and I will. I have the right because I pay taxes. In my opinion, those who pay no taxes should have no say whatsoever either in this socialist rag or in the voting booth.
By Ware
December 29, 2008 1:23 PM | Link to this
J Moore the world has changed and if you want to pretend like its 1957 and you are standing outside Central High in Little Rock its okay by me even if you don’t pay your taxes.
By Ware
December 29, 2008 1:26 PM | Link to this
J Moore the world has changed and if you want to pretend like its 1957 and you are standing outside Central High in Little Rock its okay by me even if you don’t pay your taxes.
By Ware
December 29, 2008 1:27 PM | Link to this
J Moore the world has changed and if you want to pretend like its 1957 and you are standing outside Central High in Little Rock its okay by me even if you don’t pay your taxes.
By J Moore
December 29, 2008 1:32 PM | Link to this
Well, it might surprise you that my viewpoint is the way the Constitution was originally written and it should have not been changed. Look at where we are today! And, I really did not hear any important points in your reply. We are in a mess and no one will look at the underlying causes. Democracy was not meant to support 40 million non-taxpaying citizens.
By sunshine and thunder
December 29, 2008 1:36 PM | Link to this
Limbaugh is simply saying that the sheep that elected Obama were voting for him simply BECAUSE he is black.
There was no other reason to vote for him.
IOW, that is one “magic negro”.
Don’t blame Rush for the fact that the left endlessly puts labels and classifications on everyone.
The RNC’s use of the song was idiotic, however.
They should know that most people aren’t smart enough to grasp the true meaning of the parody. If you’re going to attract voters you have to at least TRY to attract some of incredibly ignorant democrats that don’t even know the name of their senators and congressmen or even the names of the adjoining states.
Rush’s point is clear: there are a lot of exceedingly more qualified African Americans who could have run for president for either party.
By robby
December 29, 2008 1:41 PM | Link to this
i thought the servant leader role for barack makes perfect sense does it not…
or does a liberals own ego and righteous blind him…
ever see anything folks have put out regarding the sitting president? namely this rag?
until the portion of the the black minority who want to abuse the system go away … neither will republicans…
By WPWW
December 29, 2008 1:55 PM | Link to this
J.Moore, Dan Marino’s statements were another (valid) example of how the cultural Marxists operate…via hypocrisy/double-standards to induce “White guilt” & subservience to a socialist mandate!
By Midori
December 29, 2008 2:02 PM | Link to this
Sunshine,
all that proves is both you and Rush are completely ignorant.
Who are you (and he) to tell people why they voted for a certain individual.
Whose brain have you invaded?
You two sure “know” an awful lot to be so ignorant. Sounds to me like you both are just pulling more “facts” our of your rear ends.
By Midori
December 29, 2008 2:05 PM | Link to this
something for you REAL AMERICANS, aka 20 percenters, out there
By sunshine and thunder
December 29, 2008 2:13 PM | Link to this
MIDORI
I didn’t say I knew why people voted for Obama. I said that the vast majority of those who voted for Obama had no reason to vote for him.
The song was a parody of those who voted for Obama because he was black and because he was the democrat nominee.
They knew nothing about him.
I still don’t. Do you?
I know only that his voting record was the most liberal in the Senate. I know that because I looked it up. It certainly was never brought up during the campaign, by the “watchdog” media.
By Mrs. Godzilla
December 29, 2008 2:34 PM | Link to this
sunshine and thunder
You looked it up?
that liberal voting record?
where?
By Swami Dave
December 29, 2008 2:51 PM | Link to this
Unfortunately, this thread has devolved to the tired, cliche-driven shouting matches that seems to define any discussions involving race in our country. So long any discussions within the vicinity of the topic continue to invoke knee-jerk reactions from all sides entrenching into comfort zones of practiced verbal bomb-throwing, there will never be any true progress made. The truly shameful reality is that there appears to be a large portion of the participants (on all sides) who lack even the interest in changing it. For some, they seem to accept (if not actively seek) the outcome that their kids will be stuck here in this same place when we are passed and gone.
JMoore: As one who shares a frustration of the growing culture of dependency and attitude of entitlement, I will correct your statement from the perspective that the problem does not truly have a face. It is (in my opinion) a pretty lazy exercise to attempt to paint one in the creation of an easily identifiable enemy. It also serves to allow easy marginalization of your point which should be your area of focus; specifically, this country is moving in the wrong direction so long as we allow more and more citizens to enjoy the benefits of society while absolving them of the responsiblity for providing / funding it.
Swami Dave
By Copyleft
December 29, 2008 2:55 PM | Link to this
You’re absolutely right, Dave. These billionaire CEOs need to start paying back into the society that’s made them rich.
By williebkind
December 29, 2008 3:04 PM | Link to this
If it does not keep the blacks on the democratic plantation—it is racist.
If it does not always put blacks in a positive light—it is racist.
If it does not make blacks the worst treated people in the entire universe including the “final solution—it is racist.
If you vote outside your color—it is racist.
If you live in the South for more than one generation—You are racist.
If you do not believe in reparations—it is racist.
If you do not believe blacks shoud be GIVEN preferrential treatment—it is racist.
If you are not progressive—it is racist.
If you are constitutional traditionalist—it is racist.
There is more!
By reader
December 29, 2008 3:11 PM | Link to this
If one wants to know why Florida went the way it did on Nov. 4, exhibit 4080: the “Star Spanglish Banner”
By James P. McCampbell
December 29, 2008 3:14 PM | Link to this
To J Moore who said that blacks who don’t pay taxes do not deserve the right to vote. Well I live with my parents and I also get financial aid so I can go to college. I’ve been in the honor society. I’ve won awards in art. I strive to better myself so I can live independently and be financially secure. I recently donated artwork I created for a foundation that helps disabled children. They made at least 150 dollars from selling the prints at a fundraiser. I didn’t participate in the event for prestige or money. The greatest reward was using the talents I have nurtured to help others. Isn’t that a fundamental American ideal, to help others.
I may not pay taxes like you, I may even be at the bottom run of your “America” but I think I deserve the right to vote. I also think that Saltsman is racist in denial. And after reading your comments I think he is not the only one.
By The Corporal
December 29, 2008 3:27 PM | Link to this
To Doggone/Ga.
Thanks - you are correct except you left out bigot, prejudiced and insensitive.
But, they just like the word so they will continue to use it.
By Ware
December 29, 2008 3:42 PM | Link to this
J Moore would it surprise you to know that I am a lawyer, and the argument that only taxpayers have Constitutional rights is total nonsense, along with the rest of your theories?
By bj
December 29, 2008 3:44 PM | Link to this
So, why pretend the thugs and hip-hop lovin’ bros are welcomed and are even necessary to the GOP. You try to reach out to any of them and you just pull back a bloody stump. Like a horse running back in the barn on fire, the bros are running back to the liberal plantation.
By J Moore
December 29, 2008 3:56 PM | Link to this
Well, “Ware”—I don’t know where your logic comes from; however, when the founding fathers formed this nation, they made ownership of land a prerequisite for voting. It seems they were smarter than we are today. This nation cannot and will not continue to exist whereby people who do not contribute are able to vote themselves a raise every election. I don’t give a fat rat’s a*s about your lofty ideas. I have no moral obligation to provide tax money for illegals and minotities who live generation after generation sucking off the federal and state governments. Take that away and watch how fast things start to change. Ware, you are a stupid, stupid person. Did affirmative action get you into and pay for you coveted law degree? As for the student, none of my comments are directed at you unless you also are a product of affirmative action.
By GaLiberal
December 29, 2008 3:58 PM | Link to this
However, Erickson also believe that “There is absolutely nothing racist about the song, but the race baiters of the world love to think there is. The added humor is that the song accurately captures the problems of the race baiters in American with Obama as President.”
This idiot uses the term ‘race baiters’ as a call for all racists to rally to the defense of the Rethuglicon party. This is just more proof of the racist and immoral character of Rethuglicons. They passed all kinds of draconian laws designed to target specific racial groups then claim they are not racists. I guess they need to visit stormfront.org or other white supremacists websites. Then they would see how their views are shared by many other racists in this country.
It is a sad commentary when anyone - regardless of being a blowhard talk radio host or wanting to head a major political party - uses racism and bigotry to further their agenda. But, after the last eight years of Bush and the Rethuglicons controlling the country it comes as no surprise. I hope others wake up to the damage being done to the country. I fear we are headed for another civil war. This time over political and ideological views like abortion, illegal immigration, gay marriage, and religion. We are no longer one country united, but being slowly divided. Divide and conquer is a time tested strategy to win and the Rethuglicons are using it with such mastery. Be prepared for the coming fascist government. First, they ruin the economy then blame it on liberals, non-whites, homosexuals, and other boogy men just to get support for their agenda. Too many people already believe them. It won’t take long for the rest to follow.
When you vote Rethuglicon, you vote against your own best interests. And Chip Saltsman is living proof.
By Ware
December 29, 2008 4:03 PM | Link to this
Well “J” I have a history degree from Emory, a law degree from the University of Georgia, I am a member of the bar in Georgia and Florida, and I practice in both states. I am board certified in Florida in Civil Trial Law, have tried over 200 cases to verdict, was a federal law clerk, and advise (at $400 per hour) individuals and corporations regarding claims arising under the United States Constitution.
Now tell me what gives you any superior insight in Constitutional law?
By WPWW
December 29, 2008 4:16 PM | Link to this
bj, you have the right idea…however, the Republicans have already “sold the farm” in their loyalty to AIPAC/ZOG. So, embracing the “diversity” card is the next “logical” step for these “socialists in disguise”!
By J Moore
December 29, 2008 4:17 PM | Link to this
Well, Ware—either I am right about the Constitution or I am wrong. Which is it? By the way, you sound like the same kind of lawyer as John edwards.
By Ware
December 29, 2008 4:30 PM | Link to this
Actually “J” I do not handle medical malpractice cases which is the kind of practice John Edwards had before going to the Senate.
Well as I have said before your theory that only taxpayers should have Constitutional rights has never been adopted by any court in the 120 years the Constitution has been in force. During that same period of time, enumerable cases have recognized the Constitutional rights of all “persons” in the United States.
So based on that little bit of history which do you think is more likely? Is it more likely that you are right and every court ever considering the issue for the last 120 years has been wrong? Or is it more likely that the morons who have convinced you of this absurd position are relying on what they perceive to be your gullibility?
By Swami Dave
December 29, 2008 4:33 PM | Link to this
GaLiberal:
They passed all kinds of draconian laws designed to target specific racial groups then claim they are not racists.
Which laws would those be?
—Swami Dave
By J Moore
December 29, 2008 4:58 PM | Link to this
Well, Ware, you may well be a lawyer because you will not accept defeat even when you are wrong. First of all, I was not aware that the Constitution was 120 years old. Just exactly what third-world country do you practice law? Again, i ask you, did the original Constitution give the right to vote only to landowners? C’mon now, this is not that hard. Hit you dusty law books and give us an answer. Plus you never did admit you were a product of affirmative action.
By Blogsurfer
December 29, 2008 5:03 PM | Link to this
I surf the blogs of a lot of newspapers. This one happens to be one of the most boring I have ever seen. A trivial “host” with a trivial social agenda driving a bunch of blank-eyed cows to the slaughter chute. Blah. Blah. Blah. I’m RIGHT and you’re LEFT. I’m liberal and socialist and you’re conservative and a dumb@$$. Yen and Yang. Black and white. Water and oil. On and on. This fool Bookman is playing all of you like puppets.
By sunshine and thunder
December 29, 2008 5:12 PM | Link to this
J MOORE
You are incorrect. But, don’t get me wrong, I’m on your side of the argument. The original Constitution did not give ANYONE the right to vote. Rights are not “given” by the Constitution. They are assumed to exist and the Consitution was written to limit and deter the power of government.
The idea that voting rights existed only for the landed was widespread in colonial times and after the war. Those decisions were left up to the states. Nowhere in the US Constitution is the right to vote specifically listed.
It makes sense. Those that pay taxes should outvote those that don’t even if they are in a minority.
Once a constituency learns it can vote itself largesse from the Treasury the country is doomed.
By J Moore
December 29, 2008 5:19 PM | Link to this
Very well put. Thank you.
By catlady
December 29, 2008 5:31 PM | Link to this
sunshine: so you are for allowing the dead to vote? Because many continue, through settlement of their affairs, to pay taxes long after their deaths. Also, some have trusts and charitable organizations that are taxed. Should that then entitle them to vote after death?
Besides, tell me one person in the US who does not pay taxes. If they live on a piece of property (other than a graveyard) either as an owner or a renter, they pay taxes. If they make any purchase, even gum, they pay taxes. So who would this “only taxpayers vote” rule actually exclude? It would even fail to exclude illegal immigrants, if taxpaying were the only requirement!
By Cheryl
December 29, 2008 5:48 PM | Link to this
J Moore wrote: “But we don’t talk about all the blacks who pay no taxes in this country. We don’t talk about all the overhead called entitlements that the blacks and illegals steal from this nation”
You shouldn’t, what you should do is keep your mouth shut because you are quite ignorant!
What in the world are you talking about? What does any of that have to do with that man not having the good sense not to send out something like that CD?
Which Blacks are screaming about it? I listened to Rev. Al Sharpton’s radio show today, and he talked about it for a moment, but moved on….. no screaming whatsoever!
The song is good because SOME Blacks get food stamps and medicaid? FACT - more WHITES utilize and abuse and steal “entitlements, including food stamps, schipp programs, medicaid, disability, workman’s comp, corporate welfare……” than Blacks….but why bother yourself with facts… better just to use your imagination and spew ignorance. Then you try to back up your argument by using the Constitution?! LMAO!
Get ready, many more will be joining the entitlement rolls, even as we speak the numbers are growing. Soon there will be no voters left in your little world. Remember that little “tax” plan Bush insisted on that Low income people NOT pay taxes…. well this is how it worked out! So Blame him!
People like you, simple and stupid, make REAL Americans real sick! Go back to your little shack continue picking your toenails, or whatever it is you do!
By sunshine and thunder
December 29, 2008 5:59 PM | Link to this
catlady
You wrote:
sunshine: so you are for allowing the dead to vote? Because many continue, through settlement of their affairs, to pay taxes long after their deaths. Also, some have trusts and charitable organizations that are taxed. Should that then entitle them to vote after death?
The question of whether dead people should be allowed to vote is best answered by ACORN and other similar organizations that have actually registered them to vote.
Otherwise you’ll have to aske the dead themselves if they should be allowed to vote. If you get a “yes” by all means, register them. I think you’ll have to use absentee ballots, however.
Besides, tell me one person in the US who does not pay taxes. If they live on a piece of property (other than a graveyard) either as an owner or a renter, they pay taxes. If they make any purchase, even gum, they pay taxes. So who would this “only taxpayers vote” rule actually exclude? It would even fail to exclude illegal immigrants, if taxpaying were the only
If they pay sales taxes they should be allowed to vote in the elections that effect those taxes only.
There are people who don’t pay any Federal income taxes and actually receive money (cash payments) from those that do. Which one of the above should have voting preference in national elections? I know, I know. Only the democrats, right?
If taxpayers are only given the same vote as non taxpayers then politicians can promise goodies for the nons and buy their votes with taxpayer’s money. Come to think of it, that was Obama’s platform.
By JAY BOOKMAN
December 29, 2008 6:05 PM | Link to this
According to Sunshine, “Rights are not “given” by the Constitution. They are assumed to exist and the Consitution was written to limit and deter the power of government.”
I can then surmise that Sunshine accepts the right to privacy, even though the word is not mentioned in the Constitution?
By J Moore
December 29, 2008 6:12 PM | Link to this
Do Democrat/Socialists take special medication to be so stupid? This country was not founded on socialism. Am I responsible for every body whose only day-to-day function seems to be to convert oxygen into carbon dioxide? Where does that crap come from? Have any of these marxists ever heard of self-responsibility? Apparently not!
By peter
December 29, 2008 6:22 PM | Link to this
It is definitely low class behavior and those who try to minimize it probably don’t recognize that that is what it is. This tells us something about them and that they are unwittingly encouraging more of it
By Danjong
December 29, 2008 6:35 PM | Link to this
With all that is in the news, let’s beat up on our political enemies. Very positive for our nation….
By Cheryl
December 29, 2008 6:35 PM | Link to this
J Moore & Sunshine Have either of you ever had a lobotomy?
This country was founded on? What principle was this country founded on? Self-Reliance, The Founding Fathers did not have ANY problem with not being Self-Reliant. One need look no further than the fact that they were SLAVE OWNERS! Duh! The Founding Fathers were men who had great ideas, and SLAVES who worked for FREE for generations! FREE means NO PAY! George Washington did not work Mount Vernon for himself, others did the work, and he collected fat checks from their hard and brutal labor! If that ain’t welfare, then I don’t know what is! What are you and SUNSHINE talking about?
So if they the Founding Fathers and authors of the Constitution had no problem with being Generational Welfare cases, then why should anybody else?
And again, what does any of that have to do with the stupid guy who sent the CD? And the equally stupid response by Erickson. I think the lesson is if you don’t have anything of use to say, then stay quiet?
You both seem to have been released too soon, and appear unstable at best. Go back and get a check-up!
By sunshine and thunder
December 29, 2008 6:35 PM | Link to this
JAY BOOKMAN
You wrote:
I can then surmise that Sunshine accepts the right to privacy, even though the word is not mentioned in the Constitution?
The 4th Amendment:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
The 4th A was one of the original enumerations in the Bill of Rights which was included in the Constitution and ratified by the states.
Now, although the word “privacy” is not used, I think we can all agree that the 4th specifically enumerates that right.
I’ll tell you what ISN’T in the Constitution: The term “separation of church and state”.
In fact that term was merely a metaphor used by T. Jefferson in a letter to the Danbury Conn. Baptist Congregation in assuring them that no national religion could or would be established.
Secular progressives have perverted the meaning of that beyond all intelligence.
The 1st A DOES state that congress shall make no law prohibiting the free exercise of religion.
The courts and governments have repeatedly violated that clause.
BTW, Jay, the framers almost didn’t use the Bill of Rights because they were afraid that government would interpret its existence as being the only rights under the Constitution. That’s why they included the all but ignored 10 Amendment.
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
I would also point out to you leftists that the 10th makes a very real distinction betwee the people and the state. A fact you should keep in mind when you try to lie to us about the 2nd Amendment.
See, Jay? When you raise your hand in class around here you get a lecture about law.
By Midori
December 29, 2008 6:38 PM | Link to this
JMoore,
you’re one sick, ignorant puppy.
The more you post, the more you embarrass yourself.
Talk about pot meeting kettle.
I’d really, really like for you to address Cheryl’s points above. But you can’t. You won’t even take the time to pry your foot out of your mouth.
Rather than deal with the issues at hand, you go on this racist tirade as if the louder you shout and the more epithets you hurl, the more correct you are.
And I see Sunshine is still gathering nuts. Doesn’t that get old — even for you, Sunshine?
By Cheryl
December 29, 2008 6:47 PM | Link to this
Thank you Midori,
That guy’s an idiot and makes me really scared about home schooling! And Sunshine…. well, what else can be said except a mind is a terrible thing to waste and she ( I think) probably once showed such promise!
just my opinion!
By JAY BOOKMAN
December 29, 2008 6:49 PM | Link to this
I’ve made similar points myself, Sunshine, about the importance of the 10th amendment and why the founders thought it necessary. You sidestepped the implication of my question — privacy’s role in Roe v. Wade, which I strongly suspect you understood,
I’m curious about how you believe the courts and gov’t have curtailed religious freedom in violation of the First Amendment. Any examples? To my knowledge, the courts have only limited government’s role in advancing or espousing religion, not curtailed the individual’s right to believe as he or she sees fit.
It’s also interesting how quickly you dismiss Jefferson’s remark, given that statements by our founders are considered so important in trying to assess their meaning. True, Jefferson did not write the First Amendment, but Madison did. And he and Jefferson collaborated on Virginia’s guarantee of religious liberty and were of very like minds on the subject.
By sunshine and thunder
December 29, 2008 6:50 PM | Link to this
CHERYL and MIDORI
I’m not fond of the fact that our history was built on slavery. But I do acknowledge it.
Cheryl you are incorrect about the slaves being welfare and free labor.
The slaveowners had to pay a lot of money to buy a slave. They also had to pay for the care and feeding of those slaves. The similarity would be the price of labor on a farm or in a factory. In the former case it is an ongoing, endless series of payments and expenses. In the latter case it was a matter of supply and demand.
Economically slavery would have become cost prohibitive anyway.
Midori, you are just ranting and raving as usual. When you have something to say that we can interpret please chime in. Otherwise stick to your knitting.
By Paul
December 29, 2008 6:53 PM | Link to this
Hi Midori!
I hope you had a very, very nice Christmas.
I didn’t read the column. When I saw the header “GOP minority outreach” I thought it had to do with the minority GOP party trying to get at least one more person to join - which would still make the GOP the minority party. Majorly. The major minority. Don’tcha’ just love it?
Chicka boom chicka boom boom boom.
By Cheryl
December 29, 2008 7:10 PM | Link to this
No, Sunshine, I am not incorrect. If they did received the benefits of the labor of others, without actually working for it themselves, then they were receiving an entitlement, even if they felt they “paid” for them. They were in receipt of illegally gotten property (if you can stomach calling a human being property, like you stated, cattle) they were not in agreement to work they were forced, and it was illegal and immoral, it amounts to piracy and racketeering!
Those children who for generations were born into slavery, were the “property” of the “owner” and had no say in their servitude.
Your argument that the Owner “paid” for their food is also moot, in that (slop and garbage left over) it was still from the gain and the booty from their “free labor” and it was not from their own labor, which means they gained from the labor of others, and therefore it is in fact “Welfare”.
J Moore questioned and stated: “Am I responsible for every body whose only day-to-day function seems to be to convert oxygen into carbon dioxide? (Imagine that was probably how the slaves felt too) Where does that crap come from?” So I answered his question. It is woven in the very fabric of the founding of this nation, and no revisionist history will change that fact!
btw, the right to vote is the 15th Amendment at least for Blacks, so if there is no right before then, then perhaps you mean Whites don’t have that right under the constitutional, but Blacks certainly do!
By Midori
December 29, 2008 7:24 PM | Link to this
LOL, Paul
so very good to see you.
and in nice spirits, too!!
I’ve been bawling my eyes out. my sister turned me onto this video. It’s just so wonderful.
Take a look.
By Cheryl
December 29, 2008 7:31 PM | Link to this
Sunshine:
I just have to say that it is interesting to read your posts, but you should have quit while you were ahead…
You said: “I’m not fond of the fact that our history was built on slavery. But I do acknowledge it.”
That is so sweet of you to acknowledge it, as if that is something to boast about. What does that mean exactly? That it existed because you agree it did? Gee thanks Missy Sunshine!
You said: “They also had to pay for the care and feeding of those slaves.”
Have you ever been to a plantation? Seen where the slaves lived (never mind that the slaves, cut the trees, shaved the logs, and built the damn things) seen what they had to eat, (nevermind they raised the hogs, butchered them, cured them, cooked them, and cleaned up after them, but only had the intestines and the feet to eat from them) Have you ever seen what medical care was for slaves? Salves made from roots and berries, is what they had, if your foot was swollen, it was cut off and they gave you a stick and you better not miss your count on cotton…. or worse, if you were too sick, you were just shot. No headstone, no burial just dumped in a hole and covered up, but then again, you weren’t human, right, like you said, “Like Cattle”. Nursing mothers were forced to wet nurse the “massa’s” babies which left no milk for their own…. is this the “care” you speak of.
Aw shoot na, Dats mighty kind of yous missy sunshine… we’s so glad you care fo ussin so good missy sunshine and massa j moore! We sho is happy to let you make all da money an giv ussin deese here trotters and mountain oysters!
Just stop it! It’s enough…. way too offensive, and still doesn’t address the subject of this post which was that STUPID and very RACIST CD!
By Paul
December 29, 2008 7:37 PM | Link to this
Midori
That was pure, unadulterated love and joy in that video. And with Whitney Houston singing that particular song, well, it just doesn’t get any better.
I think I may have linked to you this video before. But in the spirit of the season it’s worth it - it’s about the young fellow on England’s version of American Idol who worked in a cell phone kiosk - he didn’t think he was all that good but his wife persuaded him to audition. His DVDs have sold millions. True humility is refreshing.
Link: Paul Potts on England’s Got Talent
By Cheryl
December 29, 2008 7:40 PM | Link to this
Midori & Paul
Oooo ooooo I saw that, it was fantastic! Ahhh there is HOPE afterall
Thanks for the reminder Midori that Life, with all it’s ups and downs is still the best thing going!
By Paul
December 29, 2008 7:53 PM | Link to this
Cheryl
You are most welcome.
Pleasant evening, all -
By Midori
December 29, 2008 8:04 PM | Link to this
Paul,
what can I say?
STUPENDOUS
That guy is just a marvel. FANTASTIC voice!!!
Hey Cheryl,
you go, Girl!!!
You just keep on keeping on.
They just can’t handle the TRUTH!!!!
By sunshine and thunder
December 29, 2008 9:17 PM | Link to this
JAY BOOKMAN
You wrote:
I’ve made similar points myself, Sunshine, about the importance of the 10th amendment and why the founders thought it necessary. You sidestepped the implication of my question — privacy’s role in Roe v. Wade, which I strongly suspect you understood,
I honestly gave no thought whatsoever to Roe v Wade. It isn’t an issue of privacy for the people who think it is murder. My own take on abortion is that it should be legal in the first trimester, questionable in the second and illegal in the third. So my take is the legal issue of abortion in the second trimester.
I’m curious about how you believe the courts and gov’t have curtailed religious freedom in violation of the First Amendment. Any examples? To my knowledge, the courts have only limited government’s role in advancing or espousing religion, not curtailed the individual’s right to believe as he or she sees fit.
But can’t a community enjoy the celebration of religion without “congress making a law respecting the establishment of a religion”? The courts have curtailed the free exercise thereof when a community wants to celebrate and is prohibited. A community must follow Caesar’s law but can’t freely celebrate a religion.
Even worse, individual celebration has been prohibited in schools and in some governmental offices.
It’s also interesting how quickly you dismiss Jefferson’s remark, given that statements by our founders are considered so important in trying to assess their meaning. True, Jefferson did not write the First Amendment, but Madison did. And he and Jefferson collaborated on Virginia’s guarantee of religious liberty and were of very like minds on the subject.
Because “remarks” by the founders have been used selectively. Jefferson also wrote to Horace Greeley. I don’t have the exact words but, to paraphrase:
“When you walk take your gun with you. The sports that use balls are hard on the body, but the sport of shooting is not. A gun will always be your companion and will serve you well.”
Now why don’t we also use this letter when deciphering the 2nd Amendment?
Because the left wants to chose what parts of the Constitution the rest of us have to live by.
By sunshine and thunder
December 29, 2008 9:32 PM | Link to this
CHERYL
You make good points. The fact remains that slaves were, unfortunately, property that required care and feeding and an upfront expenditure to acquire. Which puts them in competition with free labor which requires a wage.
During the centuries between the discovery of America and the WBTS, slavery was common worldwide - not just in the new world. The slaves in America, it has been claimed, were better off than most of the rest of the world for that era. Better off even than free men in other parts of the world.
So the plantation owners of which you refer were not always treating their property badly.
The history of slavery, at least in the South, is full of accounts of African slaveowners, slaves who were in charge of crucial functions of the plantation, slaves who were businessmen, slaves who earned enough money to buy their own freedom.
But the stories that sell movies and books are the ones of brutality and cruelty.
By Cheryl
December 29, 2008 10:19 PM | Link to this
Hogwash!
I see where you are trying to go with this and I am calling your BS here and now.
Jay is trying to have a logical discussion with you, and you are baiting it with that Neo-Christian-Evangelical, Conservative drivel!
Neither the Federal Government nor the Constitution prohibits celebrations occurring within a school! That is decided by either the State or most often by the local school board and the principle! If you don’t like the decision, go to the school board meetings locally or statewide and protest, that’s the American way.
All Public Schools are closed in observance of Christian Holidays. They may not have Christmas parties anymore, but you probably wouldn’t want to hear about your kids having a Ramadan party either. Many public schools America also observe the Jewish Holy Days by closing as well.
Every State, and Federal Court and Federal building in America is closed on Christmas Day, and Easter, and most on Good Friday. Observance of those “Holy Days” is granted by the Government for all Government employees. That isn’t enough? They have to allow individual partying in the office as well? Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s and unto God what is his? Isn’t that how it goes? Celebrate on your own time, not on ours.
You cannot display the Ten Commandments in federal or state buildings, unless you will be displaying the Quran and the Torah & Talmud as well. Our “Christian” Right would lose a kidney before they let that happen. Churches are FREE to celebrate any way they like, at their Church, which belongs to them and to supposedly GOD.
HANDGUNS, and automatic weapons have one purpose only, to kill humans! GET IT- it has nothing to do with the Jefferson/Greeley letter which is about hunting and sports. Your argument is disingenuous at best . Few people want to get rid of hunting, it’s a great sport for many, even though most people buy their meat at the supermarket. You included Sunshine!
And finally;
Once and for All - America is not a “Christian” nation and it NEVER was meant to be! It is a FREE country, not bound to the Church of anybody. That is the country we live in and love and That is the American Way!.
By Common Sense
December 29, 2008 10:23 PM | Link to this
O.K. double standard first off there is a big difference between the comments or acts made by a Public official like Chip Saltsmen compared to a statement made by Kanye West. I luv how some people try and deflect the conversation away from the topic. Even If this article included racist comments made by the various people you mentioned it still wouldn’t apply to a defense of what Chip did. Two wrongs don’t make a right my friend.
By Cheryl
December 29, 2008 11:03 PM | Link to this
Sunshine:
I am going to tell you absolutely that Slavery, and its shameful legacy is nothing of a “story” to sell books and movies. And your statement of such is akin to those who would deny the horrors of the Holocaust! The “stories” you have heard from the South of “African” slaveholders, are few and very far between, and the cost v. competition of slave labor v. paid labor is immoral and vile!
If you have ever traveled to the coast of Africa, and been to the “Door of No Return” in slave castles in Senegal, or Cape Coast or Elmina, if you have ever then gone to the plantations at Mt. Vernon, or any other, if you have ever read a book, or heard the stories of the Middle Passage, or seen the reenactment of the taking of the slaves while visiting Africa, or spoken to descendants of Slaves in America, or Brazil, or Antigua or Haiti, then you would know that no measure of commerce, wealth or privilige, can ever substantiate the devastation that was caused by the Slave trade. No matter at who’s hands it was dealt, the torture was mighty, and far reaching, and evil permeated the entire trade. Pure Evil nothing more!
It is an absolute insult of the highest order for you or anyone else to marginalize this suffering, we own it, it is ours to bear, and for generations it has been born. By the backs of our forefathers, and mothers, grandmothers, and so on and so on. It has been in my lifetime that the right to vote without getting your head split, or hung or burned has been granted. It is within my lifetime, that a Black man could become the supervisor at his job, and feed his family. My mother stopped being called “Gal” and my father stopped being called ‘Boy” in my lifetime. We endured centuries of degradation in this nation. Our men fought in every war, though when they returned to America they had NO rights as Americans. The history of entire familes in this nation was that of unrequited loyality and the hardest work that anyone in this nation has ever done.
You can never know what it is to be Black in America, and you can Never judge those who do. Our history is not of deadbeats, it is of hard, strong people, strong enough to build this nation brick by brick, and calloused hand by calloused hand, without ever hearing THANK YOU and mostly without pay, no land, no bank account, absolutely NOTHING! Instead we were called ‘shiftless and lazy” and every other name you could think of, with no retribution. Now let me ask, who are the lazy ones? Was it the white women who were to delicate to nurse their own babies, the men to refined to pick their own cotton, or break their own backs chopping tobacco? Even our pregnant women were forced to endure this torturing labor until birthing day, and then go back out the next day! Slave babies, picked cotton, while white babies played in the yard and rode ponies!
No, I submit to you that the Slave owners were no Nobel Prize winners, rather, any man who would profess to OWN another man, woman or child is a disgrace to all mankind, founding fathers who “owned” slaves included.
I understand you wanting to believe your fairytales about how well some treated “their slaves” but those stories on the contrary, were the ones written to sell the books and movies and make YOU feel better, and further your denial into your own history, and capabilities as a human. It should be frightening to think that you could be capable of engaging in such atrocities, perhaps you should question your willingness to give credence to the evil and insanity of it all.
God be with you child!
By JAY BOOKMAN
December 29, 2008 11:10 PM | Link to this
Sunshine, what a “community” does, and what a government does, are two separate items. You reveal the weakness of your argument with your sly attempt to substitute one word for the other.
Nobody could argue that a community has every right to express its religious beliefs. But a community and a government are two separate things.
As to your Greeley/Jefferson quote, I suspect you have your history wrong. Greeley was born in 1811; Jefferson died in 1826. If they corresponded, I am not aware of it. Furthermore, as Cheryl accurately points out, the letter as you quote it was an endorsement of hunting as a sport, not a defense of gun rights as the NRA tries to depict it. Jefferson’s letter to the Baptists was far more on point.
And isn’t it interesting how the Baptists were once so deadset against mixing church and state, changing their tune only when it became possible to use government’s power on their own behalf instead of it being used against them.
By Cheryl
December 29, 2008 11:26 PM | Link to this
BINGO Jay!
And thanks for the Greeley catch! I had heard references to that “letter” for Sunshine’s purposes, however, I never looked into it further, but it is like the “Willie Lynch” letter I see.
Your blog is enlightening and I very much enjoy your columns and I even enjoy debating Sunshine, I suspect she means well…..
Thank you for all you do to make this space available for the expression of viewpoints that would otherwise drive those around us to drink……heavily!
Happy New Year! You too Sunshine!
By Ware
December 30, 2008 3:00 AM | Link to this
To J Moore,
Our Constitution is 220 years old this week, It is such a living breathing thing it doesn’t look its age.
But on a more serious note, I see you cannot address without attacking me the premise that no court in history has ever held that rights enumerated or derived from the Constitution are limited to taxpayers. Therefore I will take your silence as recognition of the validity of that point.
So what does this means? What it means J is that by paying your taxes you have no more right to anything in this country than if you never paid a dime.
Even if you were a tax protester you would have the same right to trial by jury, to counsel, to a jury of your peers, to appointed counsel should you be unable to afford it, you have the right to confront the witnesses against you and to appeal if you lose…
That’s why this is a great country. We give these and many other rights to all, even if they are poor or otherwise choose not to pay their taxes.
So J get over it. An African-American will be our new President, proving that all parents of an American citizen can truly know that their child can grow up to be President.
By sunshine and thunder
December 30, 2008 9:27 AM | Link to this
JAY BOOKMAN
You are correct. It wasn’t Horace Greeley that Jefferson was writing to. It was Peter Carr.
As to the species of exercise, I advise the gun. While this gives a moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body, and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks.
If a “wall of separation between church and state” is to be woven into the law why not the “gun as constant companion”?
If a community wants to collectively celebrate a common religion it should be able to under the 1st Amendment. Nothing in that amendment prohibits using public facilites. The amendment merely states that “congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of a religion”.
How is hanging a religious icon in a courthouse “congress making a law”?
CHERYL
Calm down. It was your forefathers that paid the price of blood sweat and tears, not you.
By sunshine and thunder
December 30, 2008 9:33 AM | Link to this
CHERYL
Happy new year!
By David
December 30, 2008 1:08 PM | Link to this
The other candidate for chairman of the Republican National Committee, South Carolina Republican Chairman Katon Dawson belonged to an “WHITE’S ONLY” country club… FOR ELEVEN YEARS!
ELEVEN YEARS in a WHITES ONLY KKKountry KKKlub.
Racists, all of them.
By Thom
December 30, 2008 2:15 PM | Link to this
Classic Republican style.
By cheryl
December 30, 2008 5:03 PM | Link to this
Sunshine:
What special insight do you have into what has been paid by me, or the other descendts of Slavery? How did you come by this information. Is it archived at the Library of Congress or something. That seems like a VERY intuitive statement, that is born out of knowledge, and so please enlighten me. Who am I, and what is my lineage, and what price have I paid, or not paid, for the cost of Slavery?
This is exactly why this conversation continues today, many in this nation refuse to see its history, clearly and succinctly. Some of it is very sad and horrible, and some of it is not. You cannot re-write it because you don’t like what happened. Well, you can, but that doesn’t make it true.
Attitudes like Sunshine’s and others, deeply held beliefs that all is swept under the carpet, everything is just fine and dandy now, and no REAL damage is ever done by greed, and hatred, those are the reasons clowns like those in the RNC cabal are in the news today.
If you are absolutely certain that our people are not scarred from generations of subservience and degradation, then you may have stumbled upon the first race of people ever in history that bounced back completely in less than 50 years after hundreds of years of oppression! You may be in the Smithsonian for your theory if you can prove it. Of course, you conveniently forget the periods in our history which followed Slavery, up until the late 1960’s, so were not talking long term, we are talking very short term, historically speaking.
Anthropologist/sociologist/psychologist Sunshine, Tell me of another nation in history where that happened. According to the Bible, the Isrealites wandered in the desert for 40 years, before God felt they were ready to move into Jericho and healed from the PTSD of Slavery in Egypt. What is your time frame for healing for Black’s and where did it come from? How did you and all like you, come up with that number?
Gall, unmitigated gall! SHAME on you Sunshine!
By Logan
December 31, 2008 10:41 AM | Link to this
This whole flap is only shocking for me a casual observer that the Republican Party really is a southern conservative white man party. Minorities not welcome. This tone deaf reality is confirmed by many of the party leaders around the south and the rest of the country cannot figure out why this would be a big deal.The republican party is bankrupt, failed, out of touch and a sad commentary on the two party system. Every time they try their “trickle down theories” while their buddies get rich the nation gets poor. Oh by the way I’m a white independent. Maybe they should elect Rush Limbaugh as their Chairman.. while he is extreme to the point of lunacy he does represent their party’s values to the rest of the country.