Jay Bookman

By AJC/DNC Management

December 27, 2008 10:05 AM | Link to this

I know of a certain city that is a little lax on it’s prosecutions, most notably several hundred politicians are still roaming free.

Nice trashy women though.

By catlady

December 27, 2008 10:05 AM | Link to this

While there have been significant DEcreases in prosecutions for high level graft, there have been INcreases for graft on the lowest levels. Meanwhile, egrigous theft and malfeasance has been ignored altogether.

Where is the current administration’s bread buttered?

By carole2

December 27, 2008 10:34 AM | Link to this

Does anyone think it’s odd that we have more referees in sports than we do in our financial markets?

The bottom line for a sports team is winning and nobody fools themselves that a team will play by the rules without referees on the field to enforce them. And has anyone ever heard of the ridiculous notion that competition alone would force the teams to be self-regulating?

The bottom line for business is making profits, an activity that does not lend itself to self-regulation anymore than high stake games will on a playing field.For the past 30 years, free marketers have managed to kill the financial refs. And now we know how that turns out.

By @@

December 27, 2008 10:45 AM | Link to this

President-elect Barack Obama has named Mary Schapiro, head of the Financial Services Regulatory Authority, to lead the S.E.C

jay, would that be the same Mary Schapiro who delivered the Annual Lecture on Corporate Securities & Financial Law at Fordham University School of Law in 2001? An excerpt:

One of the key factors in our markets’ success and resiliency throughout this period has been the strength of our regulatory system. Of course, this is no cause for complacency. The long-term future of our markets and our industry is bright only to the extent we can honor that unwritten contract to keep investors’ interests paramoung. And in meeting this imperative, self-regulation must continue to play an indispensable role.

Self-regulation brings to bear a keen practical understanding of the industry. It taps resources and perspectives that are not as readily available to governments. It fosters investor protection as well as member involvement. At its best, it is a nimble, responsive test-bed for regulatory innovation. And it promotes high standards that go well beyond simply obeying the law.

That is why self-regulation is so well suited to help usher in the new normal in the securities industry. Because no one has a stronger incentive than our member firms to ensure that their disaster recovery and business continuity plans — to take just one big example — are fully adequate to ensure that they can survive and do business under adverse circumstances.

Who is this self of which she spoke?

By sunshine and thunder

December 27, 2008 11:20 AM | Link to this

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The self policing body is FINRA (Financial Industry Regulatory Authority).

It used to be called the NASD (National Association of Securites Dealers) before it merged with another reg outfit.

By Chad Harris

December 27, 2008 12:03 PM | Link to this

*By sunshine and thunder

December 27, 2008 11:02 AM | Link to this

CHAD HARRIS

*By sunshine and thunder

December 27, 2008 11:02 AM | Link to this

CHAD HARRIS

No connection between Blag and his dirty politics and Obama’s team? Why? Because Obama’s team investigated themselves and SAID SO!

Besides, Chad Harris said so too. If you can’t believe those two sources you must be a vicious, blind, partisan numbskull.*

And you’re not calling Fitzgerald with your brilliant ideas because????

United States Attorney’s Office Northern District of Illinois, Eastern Division 219 S. Dearborn St., 5th Floor Chicago, IL 60604 Phone: (312) 353-5300

How about Fitzgerald as a source, who is not targetting anyone from Obam’s team and the small snippetts of transcripts we have confirm Obama jad nothing to do with pay for play. Get your mama to explain to you why Blago repeatedly called Obama a motherf*cker on the transcripts excerpted in the complaint.

For the tenth time, there is no connection between Obama and Blago’s pay for play scheme. The contacts between people from the replaced Senator’s team existed but were legal.

See: Paul Coverdell dies. Many Republicans contact Roy Barnes. Many Democrats contact Barnes. Barnes appoints the hideous and now consummately stupid bufoon Zell Miller. Clinton is said to be resigning in New York and it is predicted she will be confirmed. Everyone and there brother is contacting Paterson. There are several other states in which the Senator will be replaced according to appointment or special election. But none of the contacts are illegal.

As to says, Patrick Fitzgerald, who is using your money and has a profoundly systemic although sometimes flawed investigating set of tools at his disposal including the FBI and federal wiretap laws is not targetting Obama and although you don’t seem to be able to read, Obama, Emanual and Jarrett each took all questions from Fitzgerald’s team the other day and used Executive Privilege for none of them.

I don’t know how many times I have to tell you that although Clinton left this country in far better shape than Bush I’m highly critical of the Clintons and I know far more about their law breaking than you do. Watergate Investigation was a total waste of money however.

Clinton has not revealed a full list of his donors to date; he’s given sketchy ranges likke the Congressional tax summaries.

Caroline Kennedy has refused any financial disclosure (most Senators do that anyway—the Senate summary is a joke) but more importantly she won’t do interviews at all—that’s reprehensible. I want her out of the news. I’ve said I don’t think she’ll be appointed nor will she be elected in 2010.

You can predict all you want, but in his first test Obama did not try to use EP.

And let me teach you, since you obviously have no legal training, the difference between something that hasn’t been litigated (an EP claim for a President elect has not been litigated yet and may never be) and something that has.

A lot of people make your point that were Obama to claim EP prior to 1/20/09 there is no precedent for it, but there is also no precedent against it. It hasn’t been done or litigated yet.

And we know since Obama hasn’t claimed it with Fitz, he’s not going to be claiming EP prior to taking the oath of office.

BTW unless you’re brain dead, you have to realize no one in Obama’s administration is a criminal target of Fitz in his Blago investigation and I’ll say this one more time, Fitz is facing a tough situation. He either has to indict in less than a week or he faces spilling his trial strategy in a rare procedure all federal prosecutors usually avoid their entire careers and don’t see when they leave and become white collar defense bar—a federal probable cause hearing. Those are bad for the DOJ and because they are they are rearer than hen’s teeth.

Fitz is for sure going to indict Blago and Harris before his deadline—but he’s made it crystal clear no one in the Obama camp is a target.

And while the pretty lady from CNN who only goes so deep into politics and was better on Tech TV may muse whether Obama has wants Blago tapes released—(they would only help him) the Rules in the ND Illinois and just about every one of the 94 federal district courts are in fact that Fitz doesn’t have to release any transcripts to the defense until 10 days prior to trial if there is one. They will eventually come out but not on CNN’s timetable. The release of those tapes is entirely bound by the rules of discovery in FRCrP and the local rules in the Northern District of Illionis.

I’ve responded to the disjointed points you’ve tried to make.

I’m not responding to personal attacks. Get your mother to read that to you.

1) I’m no fan of the Clintons and have criticized them on a number of counts. I don’t want her in the administration, and Clinton has taken a lot of highly questionable contributions to the Foundationa and the Library. They are obvious conflicts with her as Sec State and she’s totally unqualified. She shouldn’t have been allowed anywhere near this adminstration and I’d love to see her not confirmed—but she will be and it brings me no joy.

There are tons of ;points on which to rip the Clintons and I totally agree with a number of them. B aren’t one of them. A lot of money and time was wasted on the failed impeachment over false statements as to the b, and $93 million was wasted on Watergate and came up empty—only producing 4 federal judicial appointments by Bush for people who worked for Ken Starr. At least Starr and Bob Bork are now off the D.C. Appellate bench and that’s a plus.

2)As a President Clinton was clearly better than Bush. He didn’t trample the Constitution; he didn’t cause a financial nightmare, and he didn’t get 5000 soldiers killed and another 50,000 severely neurologically, orthopedically, or opthalmalogically crippled in ways the VAH has no capacity to treat and you wouldn’t begin to understand clinically.

3) It was illegal for anyone to refuse the subpoena from any Congressional committee regardless of what party had the majority. Right now it’s the Dems in both the House and the Senate and that’s not likely to change in your lifetime.

4) I don’t give a flying f*ck what Palin looks like. The US was insulted when McStupid picked her, and in a popularity poll, McCain is now at 3% below Bush who is at 5%. Anyone like Wooten and yourself who thinks she’s the great white hope of 2012 makes my day. Put her up again and we’ll bury her again.

I don’t need you or anyone else to cue or structure what I choose to discuss, including Palin. She’s an enduring symbol of stupidity and when news breaks on her, I might choose to comment on it. I haven’t gotten the memo that says I have to check my topics of discussion with you.

4) We’re not headed for a depression. We’re in one courtesy of 12 years of Phil Graham as Chairman of Senate Finance, Grenspan, and your idiot Paulson as well as Bush’s total lack of insight in every sense of the word. Quit tripping all over yourself and read Krugman’s newest book—he won the Nobel prize not you.

5) Obama’s college transcripts aren’t reaquired by any law for any forum. They’d make yours look like pure sh*t.

He graduated cume laude from Columbia University after being raised in poor surroundings chiefly by his grandmother and a single mother. He was President of Harvard Law Review. What kind of moron is worried about his academic transcripts but a wingnut who has lost nearly every election and is grasping for straws out of desperation? Why don’t you post your transcripts here? WTF do Obama’s college transcripts have to do with your life, American welfare, or this blog? Again only a moron would worry about them. Have you had the balls to call his transition office and ask for them?

Have you had the balls to write a letter to Jay Bookman’s newspaper and see if they’ll print it arguing why this country’s welfare depends on Obama’s college or law school transcripts? What’s your wingnut tinfoil theory? That he went to a grad school madrassa(h) and Harvard and Columbia are fakes?

6) Obama promised to discuss public money with McCain. When it became obvious he was going to need to counter the heavily funded and better funded sleeze slinging 527s, he decided to go with largely grassrots web contributions. McCain was hampered by poor fundraising at the end of the day. Tough titty if your party members refused to support him financially. Get over it. Obama did nothing to violate campaign finace law, and there is a strong argument that McSame did in fact.

7) If you not we know very little about Obama’s background after two years of intense dissection of it, then you grew up too stupid to read the appropriaate sources. I know all I ever need to know about Palin’s capabilities and lack of them. She will go to her grave never having been elected to office outside Alaska. You betcha.

8) Your last two paragraphs make no sense at all, and I can’t comment on something as absurd as they are.

Erica Hill’s musings as to whether Obama wants tapes released are legally stupid as well as politically.

No one on Obama’s team is a target. The tapes are going to do nothing but vindicate their honesty.

And what determines when transcripts are relesed *to the defense—i.e. Blago’s defense team) is a rule that requires they be released as discovery at least 10 days prior to trial.

I doubt that Blago’s attorneys want to release transcripts of tapes that make him look guilty (but anything can happen given evidence we don’t yet see) before trial which would seem to surely inflame a jury pool in Chicago.

Erica Hill fails to appreciate that but hey, welcome to CNN. She was good on Tech TV and CNN like Fox rehashes superficially old speculation while failing to break new news. There are a number of legal blogs that are breaking news in a far more sophistcated way than any of the cable channels in the Blago case, and in all other federal trials.

By Chad Harris

December 27, 2008 12:10 PM | Link to this

Felipe Sixto — the former aide to President Bush charged with stealing from a government-funded agency that works for democracy and human rights in Cuba — pleaded guilty today to theft from a federally aided program, reports the Associated Press.

Sixto resigned in March from his White House job as special assistant to the president for intergovernmental affairs.

Before that, he had worked as chief of staff of the Center for a Free Cuba, from which he stole more than $579,000 by overcharging the center for radios and flashlights, according to the Justice Department.

His sentencing is set for March.

By @@

December 27, 2008 12:41 PM | Link to this

Not good, just GRIEF!!!

Chad? I’ve visited jay’s late at night for several, and on each visit I find your long-winded, rambling, rants taking you nowhere.

Whassup wi dat?

By Eleanor Rigby

December 27, 2008 12:43 PM | Link to this

I think that pretty much answers President Bush’s question, “How did it come to this?” This debacle is the greatest crime ever committed on the American people. It’s disgusting, absolutely disgusting!

To answer @@’s question, the “self” is the foxes in the hen house. There, there nice fox, we trust you won’t eat the chickens. Don’t ever speak to me about the “free market” again! If the tax payers have to bail your a* out, you’re d** well going to have oversight, and plenty of it!

By ByteMe

December 27, 2008 12:48 PM | Link to this

Wow, Chad. A little annoyed with S&T there?

Is S&T still harping on the O’s college transcripts? I already debunked that crap for him. He wants to make Obama out to be an “affirmative action” lesser person, while still having been cum laude at Harvard (not at Columbia as you misstated; his grades at Columbia were not honors worthy). It’s really a boring topic and I already showed where he was being stupid for worrying about it, but you took the bait, so you’re stuck arguing with him now.

By ByteMe

December 27, 2008 12:53 PM | Link to this

There’s a reason that FDR picked Joe Kennedy to head the newly created SEC back in the ‘30’s. And it turned out brilliantly. The foxes really can guard the henhouse if they are smart enough and motivated enough to understand what systemic failure looks like. It’s been a while since we had systemic failure, so now people are motivated again to get it right and knowledgeable about what “failure to get it right” looks like.

By The Corporal

December 27, 2008 1:35 PM | Link to this

Why is the SEC getting involved in this? The can’t even get us a college football playoff!

P.S. I stole this from one of today’s “vents” ……… :o)

By Chad Harris

December 27, 2008 2:03 PM | Link to this

Police Chases (Totally Unnecessary Kill 3 in less than a week and AJC Ho-Hums ‘cause it ain’t theirs

ATLANTA — A yellow Corvette being chased by police plunged off an Atlanta highway exit ramp, killing the two people inside in a fiery crash and tangling up traffic for hours.

A Georgia state trooper began chasing the Corvette about 2 p.m. Thursday for speeding and an abrupt lane change.

The car raced north up the busy interstate connector through the middle of downtown Atlanta before it launched off an exit ramp and plunged about 75 feet to the ground below.

The flaming wreckage led highway officials to inspect the exit ramp for any damage. None was found and the highway was cleared by 5 p.m., but rush hour delays were extensive.

The occupants of the Corvette have not yet been identified and it was not yet known why they fled police.

When Brittany Elaine Weiss was a senior at Cherokee High School, she directed a play about the consequences of drunken driving. On Friday, the 19-year-old Gordon College student was killed by a man accused of drunken driving.

“We’re all heartbroken,” said Tori Wester, 18, who participated in the play that portrays young people at a party. At the end, the play reveals that two of the characters have actually died. “She liked the writer, and she thought it was powerful.”

Weiss had just left a Canton movie theater at about 12:15 a.m. Friday when her 2008 Toyota Scion was struck broadside by a 2003 Town & Country minivan. The driver of the minivan, Stephen Patrick Wauschek of Canton, is in Cherokee County Jail, where he faces charges of DUI and first-degree vehicular homicide, police said.

Canton police had tried to stop the suspect for possible DUI and an expired license tag, but Wauschek refused to stop. During a chase that police described as “low-speed,” the minivan ran a red light and struck Weiss’ Scion, police said.

He tried to run away on foot but was caught, authorities said, and had a suspended Michigan driver’s license.

Police said Wauschek had been arrested by Cherokee County Sheriff’s deputies in September on charges of DUI, striking a fixed object and attempting to elude.

This falls in the dump putz Jaw Jaw category of needless deaths. There could have been road blocks set up and notifications to apprehend put on the interstate police networks that would have gotten both drivers a few hours later, and nothing whatsoever has been gained from the 3 needelss deaths.

The probabkility of the drunk driver and the speeding lane changer actually killing or hurting someone else is infitinsimmaly small compared to the probability that all three people won’t see 2009 or any other year.

By The Corporal

December 27, 2008 2:22 PM | Link to this

Chad

Have you ever been arrested for a DUI? How about charges in federal court?

Based on your constant negative viewpoints of law enforcement (especially federal), I think you have had some run-ins with the law before.

What say ye in your defense ?

By Chad Harris

December 27, 2008 2:34 PM | Link to this

PULLED:

Mr. Harris, please show a little more respect or go away. Your choice.

By @@

December 27, 2008 2:38 PM | Link to this

Chad?

killing the two people inside in a fiery crash

Maybe they shouldn’t have run from police?

This falls in the dump putz Jaw Jaw category of needless deaths. There could have been road blocks set up and notifications to apprehend put on the interstate police networks that would have gotten both drivers a few hours later

How many more people may have died or been injured in that few hours time span?

Each one of those cars could have carried an occupant…..multiple occupants.

Maybe jay can come up with a law that prohibits your DRINKING & BLOGGING.

Sleep it off (your holiday binge) ‘cause you’re looking somewhat deranged.

Off to the track to run six.

By getalife

December 27, 2008 2:41 PM | Link to this

They moved FBI agents from terrorism to fraud.

Need more FBI agents and fed prisons or we could do like China and execute them.

By Chad Harris

December 27, 2008 2:55 PM | Link to this

PULLED:

Harris, quit the name-calling or be banned.

And if you are as intellectually superior as you claim you wouldn’t have to be bragging about it all the time.

By sunshine and thunder

December 27, 2008 3:03 PM | Link to this

CHAD HARRIS

So you absolutely, positively guarantee that Obama is COMPLETELY SEPERATED FROM THE BLAGOJEVICH SCANDAL. I can take it to the bank. It is written in stone. There never has been and never will be. End of story.

Is that about it?

Check out what your fellow left nuts are saying about it

Hmmm. You should log in and tell them what you told us.

Try to convice them that the man they elected, the man who used legal technicalities to win his first state election, is not going to invoke executive privilege.

Yeah, right.

BYTE ME

I don’t care about Obama’s grades. OTOH, your dog washers in the media cared mightily about Bush’s grades, McCain’s grades, Palin’s grades. I just thought I’d help them out.

At this point, I don’t need to apply to Harvard or Yale. I just need to be smarter than Chad Harris and Byte Me.

Mission accomplished.

By Midori

December 27, 2008 3:24 PM | Link to this

The Governor’s lawyer is a “left nut”?

By AmVet

December 27, 2008 3:34 PM | Link to this

…raising further questions about whether the Bush administration has been too lax in policing Wall Street….

FURTHER questions???

Jay, what a shame to see that you too are now giving these crooks and deadly screw ups in the White House a pass.

That he and Dickhead were never impeached is practically criminal behavior…

By JAY BOOKMAN

December 27, 2008 3:39 PM | Link to this

Sorry AmVet, should have made that clearer.

That was the language of the cited story, not my own. It is now fixed, I hope.

By Mrs.Godzilla

December 27, 2008 3:42 PM | Link to this

Oh My!

Mercy sakes alive!

Lawyer for slimey Blaggo wants squeaky clean Obama to testify!

Wonder why? Think Blaggo wants to be “tainted” by niceness?

And all the while Obama’s approval numbers remain high.

Don’t they understand the more false witness they bear, the better Obama looks to the nation and the world?

I’m so proud I voted Obama.

By sunshine and thunder

December 27, 2008 3:51 PM | Link to this

MRS GODZILLA

Mrs. Godzilla - or is it Mrs. Chad Harris? - visiting the editorial desk at the AJC

By Chad Harris

December 27, 2008 3:51 PM | Link to this

S& T—When and if you have evidence of the Obama camp violating any criminal code section in RE Blago, then share it with us, and share it with Fitz and let us know how your conversation or realistically failed attempts to reach Fitz go.

Ex-Secret Service aka Corporal—

There are scores of former US Attorneys and current sitting federal judges who have signed documents critical of the DOJ and it has nothing to do with their “runs in” or lack of them with the law.

I’ve seen first hand attempted law breaking by DOJ in NDG and had the pleaseure of quickly stopping it in its tracks by calling someone they didn’t expect—the arm of DOJ that decides the funding allocated to NDG. I had the motino I wanted filed by close of business that day and hand delivered to me.

Poor record keeping, bad FBI lab, and false claims by DOJ is SOP in the NDG.

AJC, the paper, Bookman’s paper, does desultory reports of high speed and low speed chases killing people every day.

Again the probabiblity that someone who is over the speed limit and changing lanes improperly killing someone versus the high percentage of deaths resulting in 2 bit cop chases is a low ratio.

The dentist killed last year in a high speed chase who was not part of it is one of many examples.

What kind of moron wouldn’t realize that speeding and drunk driving isn’t a risk, however, adding a high speed chase which has statistically resulted in a much higher percentage of death and paralysis is unmitigated stupidity.

@ S&T—take it to the bank already. I gurarantee it. What did Fitz tell you when you took the number I gave you and called him?

And you can never predict the outcome of a federal trial. To date, Fitz has hours to indict Blago or face spilling his trial strategy and considerable evidence in a probable cause hearing.

The US Attorney in any of 94 districts can indict a ham sandwhich. They have a lower bar in using a “criminal complaint” for an arrest which is what the panicked Fitzy used. Personally I have my popcorn out. I have a lot of respect for Fitz’s work ethic and tenacity. I have a lot of disrespect for his pre-trial publicity tactics. As the corporal said, Fitz should simply announce an indictment or his mistake of jumpting to a criminal complaint which puts Fitz at somewhat of a disadvantage now (they’re relatively rarely done and in the Spitzer case the complaint didn’t result in jail time for two of the players including one of the key brothel keepers and former Governor Spitzer).

I wouldn’t presume to predict the outcome of anything that goes to a jury to paraphrase the entertaining John Grissom in The Appeal. But while I understand the psychology of wingnuts clinging to Blago’s problem, hoping it would be Obama’s legal problem (and it isn’t), it’s a waste of time.

If wingnuts would spend more time on constructive government instead of trying to defend illegal wiretapping and the shredding of the Constitution that occured with Bush, the hijacking of DOJ, the needless loss of life in Iraq, and the inept running of agencies, they would be a lot more productive.

And I wouldn’t mind someone saying Obama or his team was involved in pay for play if there was a scintilla of evidence you could cite that butressed that argument.

I don’t like to hipe tape snippets. But when Blago is tapped cursing Obama for giving them nothing but appreciation, that ought to suggestw something to you.

Obama had a list of suggested successors. It was submitted to Blago. There’s nothing surprising, out of the ordinary or illegal about that. It would be pay for play or quid pro quo that would be a legal problem with criminal liabiility.

For all you Wingnuts who are getting your groove on following Blago, try Lynn Sweet’s blog at the Chicago Sun Times—an arch conservative news paper that had not even endorsed Stevenson from Illinois and had never endorsed a Dem until Obama. Both conservative Chicago papers, who were very supportive of Bush’s policies over 8 years endorsed Barack Obama.

They just couldn’t take the racism and stupidity in the McCain Palin Campaign. In orther words, the two Chitown papers rejected the idiocy of the base. So did the country.

If you’re a wingnut die hard base cadet, you have two choices. Either get real about the majority of htis country’s take on the Bush years and change, or stay mired in your wingnutiness and lose every election for the Presidency and have your butt handed to you in most of the Congressional and Senate elections as you just on November 4.

By Chad Harris

December 27, 2008 3:56 PM | Link to this

Convincing bloggers about whether EP will be invoked by Obama is a stupid suggestion. Huff Po and it’s more interesting Spinoff “Off the Bus” have a divergence of opinions. There are also appropriate invocations of EP to preserve separation of powers—but none of them done by Bush was.

I’m dealing with the reality. In his first opportunity he inclined to do so—period. Try to convince yourself that Obama, Emanuel, and Jarrett didn’t meet with Fitz’s people and the FBI with no ground rules unlikke Bush and Cheney, and no restrictions, and answered every question.

They could have litigated whether Obama could invoke EP as President elect, and they chose not to. I know this is a concept too difficult for S&T to comprehend, but it’s also what happened on planet earth.

By sunshine and thunder

December 27, 2008 4:07 PM | Link to this

CHAD HARRIS

You’ll have to look long and hard to find anything posted by ME that accuses Obama or his team of wrongdoing in the Blago fiasco.

So your accusations are false.

My beef is with left nuts that absolutely guarantee that there is nothing remotely in the mix that would implicate any of them.

When I see hubris like that I’m old enough to know it is fraught with peril.

For eight long years the left has lied about George Bush and he has let it roll off of his back. He is a better man than 80% of the crybabies that pounded the war drums back in 2001, 2002 and then started screaming for their mommies when the war lasted past the last box of popcorn.

America is so full of panty waists it should be called the United Nursing Home of America.

I can understand poor decisions being made. I can understand someone changing their mind.

What I can’t understand is the likes of democrats in congress voting for war and then spending political capital to prevent Bush from finishing the job.

They should be so ashamed of themselves. There is a special place in hell for a politician that sends young men and women to their deaths and then says NEVER MIND, WE DIDN’T MEAN IT.

I can even understand the lies they have told incessantly but I’ll never understand their undermining the efforts of our armed forces.

Some of them should be removed from office because of the blantant ways they have violated the Constitution that they were sworn to uphold and defend.

By The Corporal

December 27, 2008 4:21 PM | Link to this

To Chad Harris

O.K. I’ll take you at your word but you sure are touchy on the subject. Obviously, you have had at least a civil encounter with the NGA.

Now, regarding high speed chases. Keep in mind that police officers are in a no-win situation. Once they call in that tag number on a DUI (or anything for that matter) it’s on the record and the onus is on them.

1) If they don’t stop the guy and he hits/kills someone, they are accused by the family of letting drunks freely roam the highways and of not doing their job - opening them up to civil suit.

2) If they do chase (low or high speed) and someone is hurt/killed they are accused of causing it - and are open to civil suit.

The bottom line is that police officers should not be put in that bind. As long as they are acting within department policy they should be immune from civil suit. The monkey should be on the back of the perpetrator - period.

By Chad Harris

December 27, 2008 4:24 PM | Link to this

@S&T

S&T—You’ve been hyping Blago’s situation for weeks. It’s a dead horse for thugs but keep on beating it. You also think Palin is viable, who participated with McCain in blocking the announcement by DOJ that they had her former future mother in law (shot gun wedding not so much now that the campaign is over). So does the pathetic Jim Wooten.

@Corporal

Tom Durkin, an assistant U.S. attorney in Chicago from 1978 to 1984, is a federal criminal defense lawyer.. He was at one time an attorney for Abdelhaleem Ashqar. He did not participate in the trial where Fitzgerald lost on all major charges below:

Amy St. Eve, a Republican martinet who was given the bench in NDI as a reward for working on the failed Watergate team ($94 million and the only people in jail were Susan McDougal and her husband who died of an AMI during the stress of a BOP p** test—he had no prior history of drug use of course—but someone has to be rewarded with the lab contract who lobbied for it).

Even though St. Eve allowed statements obtained by torture, Fitz lost the major terrorism portion of hte case.

http://www.gbgm-umc.org/interrelig/salah%20trial%202-8-07.htm

“A federal jury acquitted two Muslims of the most serious charges in an alleged “terrorism” case that at one time in the government’s heralded “war on terror” was so important that none other than then-Atty. Gen. John Ashcroft himself saw fit to hold a news conference in Washington with Chicago U.S. Atty. Patrick Fitzgerald announcing the indictment’s return in 2004…Fortunately, and to the surprise of many, the jury had the courage to preserve what is left of the freedoms of an open society Ashcroft and his cronies in the Justice Department and the White House have left us with since Sept. 11, 2001. This jury had the courage and integrity not to fall for the government’s much abused “terrorism” rhetoric and call this case for what it was worth—which was virtually nothing.”

You readin’ corporal. This criticism of Fitz and St. Eve was launched by a former Assitant US Attorney in the same office where Fitz is now, who is now playing for the defense bar. That’s where most of them who don’t fizzle at DOJ, or have the guts to go into private practice, or who don’t suck up for a bench appointment end up. And I haven’t seen one yet, including Buddy Parker who doesn’t have scathing criticism for the conduct of DOJ in general, and their old office in specific when they learn hwo it feels to be the recipient of the corner cutting by DOJ as all of the defense bar in federal criminal cases does.

By Chad Harris

December 27, 2008 4:28 PM | Link to this

**@ Corporal—

You’d feel differently if that 18 year old had been your daughter killed in a needless police chase when there were a million easy ways for the police to pick up the owner of the van**—they had the license plate—they have access to the new interstate data pooling system by DHS that is now being challenged in the courts.

By Chad Harris

December 27, 2008 4:35 PM | Link to this

@S&T

You mean the George Bush whose daddy kept him from going to Nam, who hid out in Alabama boozed and coked up and later had the records destroyed and the Dick Cheney who got 5 separate deferments are better men for running like all good chickenhawks from real service where they would be in harms way you betcha.

Care to define “winning” in Iraq. If you’re so sure Iraq is a great place for us to be, why don’t you hire on at Blackwater or one of the contractors and go there, assuming your over the age to join or rejoin and serve there.

Yesterday, Major John Pryor,was blown up in Iraq.

His service there was much appreciated, but he should not have needed to be there in the first place.

Pryor was a trauma surgeon from the University of Pennsylvania Medical Center who wrote about his experiences in the Philly papers and WaPo.

Maj. John P. Pryor was a well-known trauma surgeon at the Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania. According to the Pentagon, Pryor died Christmas Day when a mortar round hit near his living quarters.

By Chad Harris

December 27, 2008 4:37 PM | Link to this

@ @@

How many more people may have died or been injured in that few hours time span?

Infinitely less than the risk of doing the chase.

By Chad Harris

December 27, 2008 4:50 PM | Link to this

December 27, 2008 2:55 PM | Link to this

**PULLED:

Harris, quit the name-calling or be banned. [Bookman, Everyone else who won’t discuss the issues but wants to name call is welcome. It heightens the quality of the blog comments, correct?*

How about an editorial out of the soon to be Washington Bureauless AJC (which is an inexcusable move by your management) that chronicles police chases and their deaths in Metro Atlanta. It’s right in Mike King’s wheelhouse.

And if you are as intellectually superior as you claim you wouldn’t have to be bragging about it all the time.

In other words Jay, you’re condoing and permitting the rampant name calling and 99% of the posts here that substitute for discussing the issues that haven’t been touched by you, is that correct. Try reading the posts. Very few wingnuts respond with any discussion of the issues. They respond with the same kind of epithets you learned to use and outgrew when you were about 10.

@ Corporal

I fixed a situation and it’s NDG not NDA by the way, where NDG tried to take money from somoene that didn’t owe the money becaus instead of getting IT to set their computers up correctly they used stapled pieces of paper, idiots for personnel, and were dead wrong. It took me two hours to foce the AUSA to file a motion immediately. I fixed it by calling the division of DOJ that funds NDG and pointing out how they were conducting themselves, how their IT department can’t seem to get it together to keep records, and they took action.

So quit trying to guess when you have no facts.

By the way, the worst websites, and the least information (check out any others) in the entire AOC system are the Eleventh Circuit’s and the NDG’s.

Almost every other website posts all pending cases and all opinions. But not the NDG and not USCA 11.

Instead of fantasizing about someone’s involvement who is critical of government that’s wrong, try learning how it operates. Your secret service employment has done nothing apparently to acquaint yo with the current conduct of much of the DOJ—not all the rank and file offices, but many in main justice who operated under Ashcroft, and particularly Gonzales and are around now but will be rooted out. Many of them are planning to resign in the next two weeks.

Holder should not be confirmed either and I’m hoping he won’t.

By @@

December 27, 2008 4:53 PM | Link to this

Blago legal problem no involve Obama, Jarrett, JJJ, or Emanuel.

I can make “it” shorter than “yours” already “is”.

Didn’t mention the Blago problem, just your blog-O problem.

By @@

December 27, 2008 4:57 PM | Link to this

Oops! Didn’t see you up there jay. About the “short” comment…….I was talkin’ about his post.

Wait a minute…..

that didn’t sound right either.

Oh well, pull it if you must, jay.

By The Corporal

December 27, 2008 5:08 PM | Link to this

To Chad

1) Like I said, you sure are touchy. Try not to involve yourself in personal attacks. People will respond to you much more kindly on these blogs if you will just be a little more civil.

2) Of course I would never want that to happen to anyone close to me, but that includes whether it was because the drunk was being chased or because the police failed to get him off the road.

In either case, if the officers are followinig policy they should be immune.

By Mrs.Godzilla

December 27, 2008 5:26 PM | Link to this

sunshine and thunder

thanks, but it’s Mrs. Godzilla.

I have a damn fine Mr. G. He remembered the perfume…..

Here’s back at ya!

By The Corporal

December 27, 2008 5:30 PM | Link to this

P.S. to Chad

Regarding Bush and his absence from Nam let me add something to consider that I have posted several times before you came on these blogs.

1) Learning to fly (earning your wings) in a military jet flyer is probably the most dangerous military occupation out there without actually being in war. Just look at the training statistics, crashes, injuries, deaths, etc. each year ….. bad weather, night landings, equipment failure, etc.

My point is that his training was just as dangerous as being in Nam unless you were in a combat arms or close support unit (artillery, armor, infantry, medivacs or flying over N.V.).

2) Should he have been in Nam? Maybe. A lot of people should have volunteered.

But remember this:

Vietnam has been called the great draft war. The draft rate was 25%.

World War II has been called the great patriotic war. The draft rate was 66%!

By the way, I volunteered. India Co., 3rd Bn., 4th Marines (Vietnam DMZ ‘67-‘68). It would have been nice if more had volunteered but I hold no grudge against those who didn’t.

By Chad Harris

December 27, 2008 5:48 PM | Link to this

@ Corporal- Try another reading. I’ve been discussing issues here for two weeks with very little discussion of the issues.

The emergency medicine literature is replete with studies for years as to the danger of police chaces vs. the danger of setting up road blocks and APBs and getting many people off the road later.

Many of these people are not drinking and driving. I don’t know what your eyesight is like, but try standing at the corner of Piedmont and anything where the mean speed is 60-65 mph much too fast considering the parked and pedestrian traffic either on Piedmont or on 10th and I mean at any part of both streets.

Many physicians are critical of police chases, and I’m proud to be one. We have gotten to put together the results, or tell the families they can’t be put together. There is an alternatie to police chases of the bell shaped curve of traffic violators that is much safer. You can take satisfaction that in a state with the learning curve of Georgia, nothing is going to change, and people will keep dying as they did this week.

The 18 year old was an innocent bystander and no one at AJC lifted a finger to analyze it.

The usual response has been on hundreds of posts ignoring the issues and facts but to name call, to do the usual “liberal nuts” song and dance, and your fellow right wingers are long on name calling and short on a discussion based on researching the actual facts.

The responses also deteriorate into the often used and childish ploy that so and so that doesn’t agree with you is a drunk; is drinking and blogging, is a criminal, etc. etc. and you deteriorated into this precise behavior yourself a few minutes ago. Then the implication extends to that if so and so dares to challenge your ideas it must have something LOL to do with their sexual preference. That’s an interesting one comoing from the part of Hooker Vitter, and Wide Stance Larry Craig.

I don’t know if you’ve noticed but the criminal element is well representeformer convicted Republicans who have been sentenced to federal prison for several years in record numbers. That would be true just from but not exclusive to the Jack Abramoff scandle alone. I could call it the gift that keeps on giving, but I prefer to think of it as “the only way to go” in government in a lot of venues right now is up.

I know a good number of former AUSAs from all parts of the country. Many of them run blogs that are very critical of DOJ as it runs now, and that’s not just the hijacking by Rove and others of criminal enforcement, but Georgia’s own Hans van Spaokovsky and his hijacking of DOJ’s Voting Rights division.

Glenn Greenwald (former AUSA):

http://dir.salon.com/topics/glenn_greenwald/index.html

It’s typical on blog comments where wingnuts swarm in for them to forego any discussion on the issues. It seems to intellectually hard for them to do the reading, research or homework to apprise themselves of the issues.

The trauma journals are replete with studies where police chases yield significantly more deaths than smart law enforcement. There are also local police cheifs that are lobbying for laws to ban the chases. Sometimes, circling the wagons for circling the wagon’s sake doesn’t work.

Try following former AUSA in the Southern District of New York’s Glennn Greenwald on his blog @ Salon. It’d not only educate you far beyond what you’re going to see here or in the diluted AJC which is now discontinuing it’s Washington bureau—Mr. Bookman has yet to give his input on being an editor at a newspaper that considers a Washington bureau unnecessary serving a major population center in the US but that’s his newspaperor rather Cox Newspapers that own his newspaper—Sandy Schwartz.

Come Jan. 11 AJC (the paper not the commenter) will cut 156 jobs). Most regretable is the decision to discontinue their Washington Bureau, but for most of us who have access to hundreds of newspapers and blogs—the effect will be zilch. It will diminsh the education of a large number of Georgians who read only the AJC however.

Why do you think Jay Bookman quotes the NY Times day in and day out? He knows reading his own newspapper leaves you significantly short when it comes to foreign or domestic affairs.

Cox Newspapers Washington bureau chief Andy Alexander will become the Washington Post’s ombudsman for a two-year term beginning Feb. 2. “He brings with him more than 30 years of experience in the news industry and will be an excellent advocate for our readers,” writes Post publisher Katharine Weymouth. Cox Newspaper announced this week that Alexander’s bureau will shut down in April.

What’s funny is Andy Alexander may be AJC/DNC. I think that speaks for itself. The WaPo has been diluting its talent for years now.

Cox Shutting Down Washington Bureau or Buh Buh Andy Alexander.

http://poynter.org/forum/view_post.asp?id=13717

By AmVet

December 27, 2008 5:52 PM | Link to this

Jay,

Hope you don’t feel I was being too accusatory!

One of the many lies this president told us over the years occurred during his first campaign for the White House when he said “he was going to police corporate America and clean up Wall Street.”

The he turned right around and cut back the funding increases for the SEC’s corporate oversight agency that was already overwhelmed and underfunded.

He turned a completely blind eye to the ongoing “orgy of excess” and the plundering of OUR money by highly corrupted, untrustworthy, criminal interests.

And this corporate destruction of capitalism was forewarned numerous times by multiple parties.

So what kind of idiot would actually put MORE emphasis on these crooks and swindlers “policing themselves” instead of being prudent and actually taking obviously needed major and urgent action to protect OUR money?

We all know.

A corporate toady who was taking care of his buddies and screwing the American people in the process.

And again, @@ is right.

Get ready for the next one…

By AJC/DNC Management

December 27, 2008 6:05 PM | Link to this

2008 was the year man-made global warming was disproved.-UK Telegraph

Nonsense, I “disproved” it as soon as the libs started mongering it.

First, all over the world, temperatures have been dropping in a way wholly unpredicted by all those computer models which have been used as the main drivers of the scare. Last winter, as temperatures plummeted, many parts of the world had snowfalls on a scale not seen for decades. This winter, with the whole of Canada and half the US under snow, looks likely to be even worse. After several years flatlining, global temperatures have dropped sharply enough to cancel out much of their net rise in the 20th century.

Duh.

By Chad Harris

December 27, 2008 6:08 PM | Link to this

@ Corporal. I have a pilot’s license, and I have had plenty of opportunity to know what Bush did and didn’t do in the service. I spent years learning the relative dangers of several planes under different conditions. Bush sure as hell did not fly to the Mission Accomplished fiasco or have anything to do with the tail hook landing where he was a passenger, which was fake staged someewhere abroad and was in fact a few miles away from San Francisco. That little tidbit was of course hidden from the pubic at the time it was aired. Further this was to announce the end of all combat operations in Iraq . Further the Lincoln was in fact within easy chopper range off the coast of California which is not exactly foreign combat territory. I don’t see any politician waltzing through an Iraq market yet. I see a lot of them wasting money in the green zone or venturing to a street for seconds with a number of Cobras and other planes overhead surrounded by hundreds of heavily armed soldiers.

I’d like my money back for that fiasco as well as the billions a month (about $15 billion hemorrhage in Iraq). I put the number of troops in Iraq in 2011 at about75-80,000, the number of American deaths at about 8000, the number crippled severly in excess of 120,000, the number of Iraq deaths in the higher hundred thousands, and the number of Iraq refugees accepted into the US at the same handful it is now. I put the number of homeless Iraqi women forced to work as prostitutes in Arab countries that refuse them work permits to qunitipple.

The lights won’t be on in 2011 for more than a few hours max, and again, no one will be home —representative of Bush’s current mental status.

Bush’s father personally used his position in the House of Representatives to shift his son to the front of the line in the National Guard and made specifically certain that Lil Bush would not be designated for a plane that was going to be used in Nam.

When Bush was assigned to take a physical for a plane going to Nam, he disappeared plain and simple for 5 months and he failed to show for the physical.

The Dan Rather v. CBS case is alive, and some of this may be documented in discovery in that case if it has not been destroyed.

By @@

December 27, 2008 6:08 PM | Link to this

Whoooaaaaa nellie!

I’m beginning /snark/ to question Obama’s judgment.

It has emerged that in 2001, Ms Schapiro, now the chief executive of the Financial Industry Regulatory Authority (FINRA), employed Mark Madoff to serve on the board of the National Adjudicatory Council - the division that reviews disciplinary decisions made by FINRA.

Last week, Mark and his brother, Andrew, were understood to have approached the authorities after their father apparently confessed to orchestrating a $US50 billion ($70.9 billion) securities fraud.

Bernard Madoff is under house arrest in his $US7 million Manhattan apartment and will be electronically tagged after he failed to secure further signatories to guarantee his $US10 million bail.

Both sons have emphatically denied any involvement in what could be the biggest fraud perpetrated by an individual.

However, the link with Mark may prove controversial for Ms Schapiro and the US president-elect, who has moved fast to replace Christopher Cox, the current head of the SEC.

The watchdog has already come under fire for failing to detect Mr Madoff’s activities.

Even Madoff, the elder, at one time, served as Vice-Chairman of some NASD committee.

I don’t understand all this finance “stuff”, but my mattress is ‘bout to get real lumpy.

By Midori

December 27, 2008 6:18 PM | Link to this

keep on educating them Chad — it may yet sink in.

By @@

December 27, 2008 6:29 PM | Link to this

Midori:

I’m not surprised that you’re so impressed with Chad. After all, you AND he are fixated on the same subject matter.

When Bush was assigned to take a physical for a plane going to Nam, he disappeared plain and simple for 5 months and he failed to show for the physical.

My goodness…..you’ve been railing about ^^^ that for years.

Along with the “Daddy Bush” thingy….

the “Mission Accomplished” thingy….

maybe Chad’s single and lookin’.

By @@

December 27, 2008 6:35 PM | Link to this

And whoops! Forgot to provide a source for my 6:08.

By The Corporal

December 27, 2008 6:40 PM | Link to this

To Chad Harris

1) I hear you … I just disagree most of the time.

2) You are a little verbose (I sometimes have the same problem). Try honing it down just a little.

3) Try sticking to the exact subject matter/question you are responding to from another blogger. It helps us all follow along better.

4) Be kind.

By AJC/DNC Management

December 27, 2008 6:40 PM | Link to this

Cool-

Black smoke billowed over Gaza City, where the dead and wounded lay on the ground after Israel bombed more than 40 security compounds, including two where Hamas was hosting graduation ceremonies for new recruits.

“Here is your diploma and your suicide vest, ‘brave’ lion, now go forth and”

Ka Boom!

Karma.

By The Corporal

December 27, 2008 6:43 PM | Link to this

Good Quote

The bitter lies about America undermine the ongoing aspirations that alone can power the United States in its continued role as a mighty engine of human betterment.

Michael Medved

By Chad Harris

December 27, 2008 6:43 PM | Link to this

@ aa—

And Chris Cox and his SEC were exactly where doing what during the last few years of the Madoff Ponzi scheme.

The lawsuits against the feeder organization’s accountants, and the US Attorney’s investigation against the acccountant in Rockdale, New York who signed off on Madoff and gave him a clean bill of health are ongoing.

Cox had considerable resonsibility as did many of the attorneys working for him in the Madoff fiasco.

If you’re NYU and you don’t realize that billions of your money have been handed off by Mirkle whose assets are now frozen by a district court in NYC, then you bare responsibility for not doing due dilligence on your own investments.

NYU is suing Mirkle for misrepresenting where their money was going, and they may well prevail legally. How much recovery they can do if so, remains open to question. However, NYU and organizations like it sure would have kept better tabs on their money in retrospect as would the Dean of Massachusetts Law School of his money, Fifth Avenue Synagogue of their several billions, Yeshiva, etc. etc. etc.

By AJC/DNC Management

December 27, 2008 6:50 PM | Link to this

Blagojevich Says He’s ‘On Wrong Planet’ if Impeached The governor told a local reporter that he was hired to fight for the people of Illinois and that’s what he’s been doing.

Yeah, O.K.

What’s on tape already would make Ma Barker blush, but old Fitzgerald knows that Blago will sing and be the first stoolie to ever take out an entire White House staff before they even take office.

So no charges for the governor, nothing to look at here, or listen to, move along.

It’s so……………………third world.

By Midori

December 27, 2008 6:52 PM | Link to this

@@ —

I’m working an online jigsaw puzzle right now.

I find it much more enjoyable and constructive that trying to make sense out of your, um, “contributions”.

By @@

December 27, 2008 7:12 PM | Link to this

Well Chad. There was an article in Barrons that raised a red flag over Madoff’s scheme in 2001. That would’ve been a good time to investigate and pull investments.

But alas…

well you know the rest. Nobody wants to assume responsibility — not even the investors.

If it seems to good to be true, it probably is.

Midori:

I’m working an online jigsaw puzzle right now.

Lookin’ for little pieces?

Okey Dokey! Maybe Chad has one he can contribute.

By Chad Harris

December 27, 2008 7:28 PM | Link to this

Bush countdown 24 days buh buh.

By @@

December 27, 2008 7:30 PM | Link to this

Oh my!

Stephen Lendman over at The Market Oracle had this to say about Obama’s appointment of Mary Shapiro:

Mary Schapiro will head the SEC for Obama. Under her stewardship, sharks on the Street will flourish. Business as usual will continue. She spent years advocating for Wall Street to be self-regulating, currently heads the Financial Industry Regulatory Authority (FINRA), was president and is now chairman and CEO of the National Association of Securities Dealers (NASD), is a former SEC commissioner, ran the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, and is expert at quashing investigations about fraud. Whether she’ll roust any in her new post is problematic and doubtful as she likely was appointed to allow it. She’s a consummate insider, considered safe, and no wonder Wall Street and the dominant media applauded her selection. That alone is the tip-off.

On her watch (beyond lip service), expect less enforcement, not more, and why so is simple. Eventually she’ll return to the private sector to be well compensated for services rendered. Besides, there’s no doubt where her interests lie, which ones she’ll represent, and that’s why she was chosen in the first place. Wall Street is in good hands with Mary Schapiro.

Guess where Lendman’s from?

CHICAGO!

By The Corporal

December 27, 2008 8:24 PM | Link to this

Off Topic

I see that Mike Luckovich’s anatomical caricatures of President Elect Obama are much less derisive and exaggerated than those he draws of President Bush - bias shows even in art.

By @@

December 27, 2008 8:26 PM | Link to this

JAY BOOKMAN!

I go over to the AJC Window on Washington site where a December 24, 2008 column entitled “Bush names longtime aides to federal posts” shows zero comments.

When I scroll down to the latest comments, it takes me to a July column about Al Gore. There were three posts pertaining to the column. The rest were from:

Dating Capricorn Men

Shy Guy

Older Men Personals

Totally Free Adult Personals

Lonely Housewives Personals

Busty Black Babes

Lonely Older Women

Naked Older Women

Take a look for yourself!

What the heck is ^^^ that about?

Is the AJC running some sort of perverted after hours dating service?

By @@

December 27, 2008 8:44 PM | Link to this

AND the posters names are in blue. When you hit their names, it takes you to what I assume is their e-mail box.

Are your employees perverts, jay?

By getalife

December 27, 2008 8:52 PM | Link to this

Wishful thinking @@?

By @@

December 27, 2008 8:54 PM | Link to this

AJC, Police thy blogsites!

Eeewwwww

By @@

December 27, 2008 9:00 PM | Link to this

Wishful thinking @@?

Naahhh Getalife, just bored. Semper’s playing Texas Hold ‘Em at the cajun’s house.

You?

BTW, what did Santa bring you? Was she wearing a hat and some jingle bells? (ISH)

By getalife

December 27, 2008 9:08 PM | Link to this

@@,

She wasn’t wearing anything and brought me a case of Crown and other assorted goodies.

Did Semper spend your present on poker?

By @@

December 27, 2008 9:24 PM | Link to this

She wasn’t wearing anything and brought me a case of Crown and other assorted goodies.

You’re such a hound dog, Getalife! (ISH)

Did Semper spend your present on poker?

We don’t consistently exchange gifts. Makes for a better surprise when we do.

What I buy with his winnings will suffice. Let’s see now…..three sets of wooden blinds would be nice.

I’m an easy keeper.

I would luv to find 6 mid-century modern danish chairs (Eames era). ‘Ya got any stores in Nawlins that carry the originals? No replicas….nothing new. So far, the only place I’ve been able to locate them is in Southern Cali at a place called “The Surfin Cowboy”.

By getalife

December 27, 2008 9:52 PM | Link to this

@@,

I think “The Surfin Cowboy” is a bar but check the House of Denmark if they are still open on I 85 access road.

Looks Like Israel opened up a can of whoopa-ss like Russia after being attacked.

Good luck with that and w’s deal with Georgia Hillary.

By sunshine and thunder

December 27, 2008 10:10 PM | Link to this

CHAD HARRIS

You claim that I have harped on Blago for weeks. I have not. So either you’re mistaken or you’re lying.

I’m sure you don’t lie. That would make it too obvious when you are defending some of the best/worst liars on the planet: the democrat party.

So that causes one to conclude that you are mistaken. If you are mistaken about something that so many of these posters and lurkers can discern for themselves what does that do for your credibility?

It destroys it.

Why don’t you quit while you’re not so far behind?

By Chad Harris

December 27, 2008 10:26 PM | Link to this

@@:

What boggles my mind, and I’m far from comfortable trying to sort out the maze of derivatives, economic terms, hedge fund nuances, etc. (I should have gotten into them years ago but I didn’t have much time or the inclination and I don’t hae much of a feel at all for the world where Bernie Madoff sucked in so many feeder hedge funds) as I read the NY papers, WSJ is how so many financial entities (feeders, hedge funds) with all kinds of presumed masters of the universe and accountants failed to simply know where literally in some cases billions of their dollars were being handed off.

Elliott Spitzer who was making a career of investigating Wall Street until Ashleigh Dupree and what I consider a ridiculous intentional leak in of an accidental discovery of a DHS ICE investigtaion, lost money with Madoff.

I don’t understand how people like Erra Merkin could hand off billions to Madoff Securities totally undetected by sophisticated clients like NYU, and the rest of the list which had armies of accountants and investment experts. Sure it was a Ponzi scheme crudely, but I can’t imagine investing money and not knowing exactly where it’s going regardless of how the investment does.

These players didn’t know where the feeder entities to Madoff were handing off their money and teams of accountants beside the SEC had to be looking the other way. The SEC had some huge flags waved in its face and whether through cronyism or payoffs or whatever, had to be looking the other way.

There will be many books written of course. And Hollywood will have a blockbuster movie screenplay adapted within 2 years. I don’t know who will play Bernie Madoff.

There is an article in the NYT today about a David Mammet adaptation that is uncanilly parallel to Madoff’s Ponzi scheme.

Madoff’s Case Echoes Rich Lode of Swindler Literature

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/27/theater/27cohe.html?adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1230433471-6NzJSk9rHF0NCA9MjJCOpg

I can’t figure out the format to just name the link here.

Madoff’s Clients

[http://projects.nytimes.com/creditcrisis/madoff_clients/table]Madoff’s Clients (probably incomplete list at this point)

The entity overseeing liquidation of Madoff Securities, the Securities Investor Protection Corp (SIPC) through a court appointed trustee, may never find out where all the money went behind Madoff’s Dalai Lama-esque smile.

I think Ezra Merkin is going to be in huge trouble once the SDNY US Attorney’s office takes him apart. There is a lot of blame to go ‘round. It just depends on how much effort the “new” DOJ, and “new” SEC want to expend. I understand Obama’s new SEC nominee and others in his adminstration may have some conflicts of interest and I don’t know if they rise to the level of Bernie Madoff connected skeletons —errors or omission in the past or exactly what at this point.

I’ve been reading a lot of Krugman past articles and parts of his last three books, learning, but also becoming confused in new ways. Krugman makes an analogy of Bernie Madoff’s Ponzi scheme and the entire economy.

By Chad Harris

December 27, 2008 10:43 PM | Link to this

AJC/DNC or Andy—

Simply the scenario you see with Blago a lower snitch to flip on Obama and his administration doesn’t exist. You really must underestimate Obama and Emanuel and Jarett.

Even if they hadn’t been intimately familiar with Blago and the Chicago scene for years, they would never have been stupid enough are put together to pay for play. That’s not any of these 3’s style at all. You must have them confused with Rove, Addington, Libby, Fielding, or the large contingent of Abramoff cronies. A new Abramoff cronie enters a Rule 11 Plea every other week now. If you’re the Andy who is leaving the Washington Bureau of AJC you should know much better.

If these dreams of yours get you throught the night, so be it. But Blago is not an Obama scandal and LOL Fitzie isn’t trying to use Blago to flip on anyone from Obama’s camp.

Obama’s transition team submitted a list of people they would have liked Blago to picke from and it was the usual suspects on a lot of people’s list anyway.

I’d personally love to see Tammy Duckworth go to the Senate. She’s not the most experienced player, but I feel she’d do fine. Difference between Caroline Kennedy in New York? Tammy doesn’t duck an interview and does her homework on the issues and will share her opinion. She’s worked hard; Kennedy hasn’t. She’s also lost both her legs flying a chopper.

By sunshine and thunder

December 27, 2008 10:50 PM | Link to this

CHAD HARRIS

You wrote:

S&T—You’ve been hyping Blago’s situation for weeks. It’s a dead horse for thugs but keep on beating it.

BZZZZZZT! Wrong bunko. I never brought up Blalgo once. I just don’t care about the situation. It isn’t hard to believe that if you lay down with dogs you get up with fleas. The whole Chicago situation is a bunch of crooked politicians. But you are incorrect in claiming I ever said one thing about Blago without being prompted by someone like you or one of your basement mates.

IOW I only mentioned Blago in response to something already said. I never accused nor made pretextual remarks. If you can find them please, be my guest. But stop lying about what I said and didn’t say.

You also think Palin is viable, who participated with McCain in blocking the announcement by DOJ that they had her former future mother in law (shot gun wedding not so much now that the campaign is over). So does the pathetic Jim Wooten.

Are all of you democrat men impotent? Why the fixation with Palin? She must make your ^%& shrivel up. Are you afraid of her? Yes! That must be it. She scares the hell out of metrosexual girlie boys.

Let’s see, she shoots her own food. Obama trades food stamps for votes. She doesn’t abort babies. Obama believes in partial birth abortion. She was the governor of a state and took on the power machine and won. Obama used the power machine to get elected a state senator.

She’s beautiful. Lord don’t get me started on the wives of metrosexual girlie men.

I’ll think of a few more. Later metro.

By Chad Harris

December 27, 2008 11:03 PM | Link to this

AJC/DNC aka Andy—

In that fantasy world of yours who precisely from Obama’s camp offered what to Blago for whom to be appointed Senator?

It’s like making an argument that Angie Jolie is repairing a cerebral aneurysm tomorrow. It’s like pickles and ice-cream. It just doesn’t compute. It was going to be a Dem and hell even if it had been a Republican from Illionis it wouldn’t have meant that much difference in the scheme of things.

Obama has huge problems to weigh in on with his people, and I’ve become to cynical to believe Congress is going to be much help whoever is in the House or the Senate. I’ve seen too much. I’ve followed CBoldt’s Senate Blog too damn long:

http://cboldt.blogspot.com/

By @@

December 27, 2008 11:06 PM | Link to this

I think “The Surfin Cowboy” is a bar but check the House of Denmark if they are still open on I 85 access road.

You do get around, don’tcha Getalife? House of Denmark is new stuff. Besides, I think they went out of business a while back. Check these out! Look like the cushions are floating. A glossy rosewood with more curved edges is what I’m looking for. Sexy?

225 dead in Palestine, and it looks like Netanyahu could be making a comeback. Bebe doesn’t make concessions.

Chad:

Greed on all accounts (with the exception of the charitables) is what drove the investors and Madoff. The market has always been a crap shoot if you’re lookin’ for a quick return. Go long…..it’s safer, but always know that nothing in life is guaranteed except death and taxes or death by taxes.

By Chad Harris

December 27, 2008 11:26 PM | Link to this

S&T—you should drop the name calling. It doesn’t make you look better.

Palin doesn’t represent anything sexual to me. She’s reasonably attractive physically but she’s dumb as a rock.

The MSM polite term for this is incurious.

I can understand being incurious about a number of things. I haven’t been particularly curious about nuances of the ffinancial markets and I’ll probably never be, but I’m further along than most people.

Palin is incredibly stupid. She can’t catchup. I don’t really care what you all do with her, but if you believe Palin is competative on the national political scene (and some of the Republican base does) you’re delusional on that count.

She’s not going anywhere outside Alaska politically. And all the talk about Democratic sexual impotence may make you feel superior but it’s a childishly stupid comeback and it doesn’t make ant points.

I do like a man’s man like your Larry Craig though. Between ole wide stance and Hooker Vitter and his pathetic looking wife in the leapord skin dress (her taste not her looks standing by her “man” he of the escort services who got zero help to New Orleans in Katrina) and your Representative who was emailing kids hoping to score sexual exploits your party has the family value scheme down cold.

I don’t even understand the food stamp reference. Obama got a lot more votes than McCain though. Obama is going to make a lot of decisions that are crucial; McCain not so much. Is Cindy with the boyfriend in LA—does he see his mistress of the week to prove he’s 27 not 72 in DC?

Let’s see. Shoot your own food. Boy thatg’s admirable. She shoots a moose. If you’ve ever been in the woods staring at a moose (I doubt it) they do absolutely nothing to you. They pose as much threat as a Basset Hound.

Shooting wolves with a high powered rifle from a chooper. That is the essence of cowardice.

Has Palin paid her back taxes yet on the $17,000 in per diems she claimed questionably by Alaska law but clearly violated the US Tax code in not reporting. I can promise you there will be followup on that soon. She will be made to pay them and the penalties.

Palin and McCain also used Secret Service to screw with the timeline on her fake future motherinlaw’s Oxycotin bust.

Authorities say the case began in the second week of September — a couple of weeks into Palin’s campaign as Republican vice presidential candidate — when drug investigators intercepted a package containing 179 Oxycontin pills. That led to the arrest of the suspects, who agreed to be informants.

According to the affidavit, Johnston sent a text message to one informant Oct. 1, writing: ”Hey, my phones are tapped and reporters and god knows who else is always following me and the family so no privacy. I will let u no when I can go for cof.”

Ten days after Johnston said there wasn’t enough privacy for a drug sale, she texted again to set up a meeting at a store, according to the affidavit. The document says the informant received $800 to make a purchase, meeting investigators later with 10 pills of 80-milligram Oxycontin.

A second purchase was made the following day, authorities said. This time the informant wore a hidden camera and a microphone.

They had Johnston cold from the first controlled sale, which if the article is correct, appears to have been made on October 11, and certainly by the following day when they made the second controlled transaction. A skeptic might think that it was ripe for arrest during the election, like say anytime after October 12; and might wonder why it was extended into late December for arrest.

From Washington Post:

“{The trooper’s affidavit indicates that Sarah Palin’s candidacy factored into the investigation, with state officials delaying execution of a search warrant until this month, when Johnston was “no longer under the protection or surveillance of the Secret Service.”

Short story: McCain and Palin, then candidates, waved off the bust of Johnson until after the campaign was lost.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/25/AR2008122500930.html?hpid=sec-politics

I’ve said many times. It insulted me and any American that Palin was picked, but it delights me that if she has any role whatsoever in 2012, you’re deader than the moose (yep that’s the plural of moose) and wolves she prays upon with an automatic rifle.

My only regret is that the animals she shoots aren’t armed and get the drop on her. That would be poetic justice in my book. Shooting wolves from a chopper or a moose at point blank range is an assasination. It’s not “sporting hunting and the woman has embezzled so much money along the way you’re ditzy if you believe she humbly shoots most of her food.

I see Sarah Palin soon being federally indicted along the same lines as her former political ally Teddy the Stevens.

By AJC/DNC Management

December 27, 2008 11:28 PM | Link to this

Chad Harris: Are you like some kinda Oblahmasan zombie left over from the October election propaganda spree?

What’s the matter, did the Obama kkkampaign abandon you, faithful zealot, leaving you without further instructions?

Did they throw you over the side like all the other pre programmed toadies that they have no more use for?

Are you a rudderless ship, listing about in the great ocean of nonsense and idiocy that got your idol elected?

You might be a gigantic void of reason, a black hole of intelligent thought but the rest of us know that thee Oblahmi hangs with the criminals, deals with the criminals, takes kkkampaign donations from the criminals, listens to sermons of criminals.

Why, I believe he could almost be a……………..criminal.

Don’t worry junior, we’ll get him.

And there ain’t nothing you can do about it.

In fact, it is apologists like you and the pinkkko media that embolden these hacks like Oblahma and make our job easier.

And for this……………..we salute you!

By Midori

December 27, 2008 11:30 PM | Link to this

Let’s see, she shoots her own food. Obama trades food stamps for votes. She doesn’t abort babies. Obama believes in partial birth abortion. She was the governor of a state and took on the power machine and won. Obama used the power machine to get elected a state senator.

I’ve said it once, and I’ll say it again: Thank God the American people woke up and ejected you delusional wingnuts out of power.

Shooting your own food qualifies you to be POTUS? VPOTUS? In what world? Bizarro World???

She was the governor of a state and took on the power machine and won. That fantasy/lie/misconception has been debunked so many times it’s not funny. How do you type this tripe without falling all over your keyboard laughing? Do you just pull this garbage out of the air?

What exactly did she win, other than that fancy, expensive, FREE wardrobe?

When did Obama trade food stamps for votes? Is this yet again another wingnut slur making the rounds on the blogosphere? Can you provide a link, please, so that I may check out this revelation?

She doesn’t abort babies. Again, is this another wingnut criteria for POTUS/VPOTUS? This is so very strange AND hypocritical considering she does not support rape victims and makes them pay for their own rape kit. Such a paradox. Another strange and inconvenient fact is that she has slashed funding for special needs children in her state. Is this another wingnut case of the ends justifying the means?

Obama used the power machine to get elected a state senator. And what politician DOESN’T????

Are you SERIOUS??

Do you even believe the insanity you’re posting?

Another issue/fact/REALITY that you don’t seem to grasp is that Democrats love having this insane woman out front.

personally, I’d like for her to dominate the air waves for the next four years. All the better for my party.

She’s a loon, and she fits right in with you guys — the discredited, hypocritical, impotent 28 percenters.

By Chad Harris

December 27, 2008 11:36 PM | Link to this

S&T—

Everyone who thinks Palin is totally unqualified is a metrosexual “girlie boy.” That’s brilliant. Really on target. That’ll get her eleected. I like that slogan. Vote for Palin you wussie or you will be tied to a stake and have tattooed on yo heaaaaaddddd “metrosexual girlie boy.”

Calling someone names out of your subconscious fantasies and hi-fiving yourself it’s substantive rebuttal makes you look stupid.

A lot of people recognized “We can see Russia from Alaska” and the nonsensical childish answers from Palin for what THEY WERE—nonsensical childish answers. I don’[t care whether she looks like Sarah Palin, Gretta Van Sustren, Jan Reno, or whatever. The rejection of Palin is not about some LOL sexual prowess she represents that intimidates people who find her stupid. Tina Fey looked pretty good in the Vanity Fair article in the January 2009 edition. Tina Fey is making a lot of money mimicking Palin’s stupidity and although she is a comedy writer, she hardly ever has had to change Palin’s lines. She’s been using Palin’s direct verbatim quoteds—and she’s been using them because they are so stupid they are funny (and pathetic in a larger sense when you realize how stupid a choice she was for McSame).

http://www.vanityfair.com/magazine/2009/01/tina_fey200901

By Chad Harris

December 27, 2008 11:52 PM | Link to this

AJC/DNC if you in fact work for AJC, and you are Andy Alexander or any other Andy, then poor Bookman is working with more than a large complement of stupid people point blank. Cox Newspapers is really scraping the bottom, but if you’re the Andy that was at the Washington Bureau, getting rid of you is a step up.

By vuduchld

December 27, 2008 11:55 PM | Link to this

When are you right wing dingbats going to ralize that the election is over. Frankly, we don’t need SNL because we have you idiots to laugh at over and over again. Palin is a kook, juat like her seccessionist hubby. Slingblade wouldn’t even vote for this bimbo, but you clowns can’t seem to get enough of her. And even if Obama traded food stamps for votes, you only have that sniveling weasel Dubya for that!! You greasy bottom feeders need to get a life, oops, I forgot, you monkeys don’t have one!!

By Chad Harris

December 27, 2008 11:57 PM | Link to this

Palin was the governor of a state composed of a lot of racial whit bigots with a bell shaped curve of pathetically poor education and stupid people who voted for her. They dramatically resemble the bell shaped curve of stupid people in Georgia who have equally poor educations. Alaska and Georgia are always at the bottom in any educational survey period. That’s not going to change.

Anyone who thinks assassinating an animal with a high powered rifle is a qualification for anything other than being sent to prison for a long period of time is nuts.

Palin wasn’t just rejected by what Wooten thinks is the Repubican elite (because he learned over 20 years ago no paper with any quality would ever hire him); she was rejected and mocked by everyone but the base who are composed of poorly educated and stupid people. And it doesn’t matter that some of the base is not lower income. They’re still poorly read, bigoted and stupid, and lack real education.

By Chad Harris

December 28, 2008 12:00 AM | Link to this

AJC—

When you say “we’ll get him” that’s like a gnat overturning a freigh train.

I sincerely believe you qualify with the most ignorant posts here.

By AJC/DNC Management

December 28, 2008 12:18 AM | Link to this

By Chad Harris December 27, 2008 11:26 PM Shooting wolves with a high powered rifle from a chooper. That is the essence of cowardice.

In my travels through Oblahmasan’s adopted hometown, I passed by the horse and carriage rides that originate behind the Fourth Church on Michigan Avenue, a quaint and comforting tradition that makes the city of big shoulders what it is, enterprising individuals who make the nearly impossible a reality, meanwhile entertaining guests of their hometown in a polite and welcoming way.

But lucky for me, I also got to witness, at the same time, some of the trash and stupidity that has washed over America in the form of hopeandchange and other such nonsense, there was a small army of morons gathered nearby and they were screaming at passerby’s that the horses were being cruelly treated.

As evidence of this horror, some zit faced, bloodshot eyed dimwitted young lady shook a pamphlet at anyone who dared to venture close enough to this obscenity, whilst screaming *look at them, see them suffer!”

After asking this young moron how many trees she killed to make her little pamphlet, thus stunning her into silence, I took in the sight of the “tortured” horsies, who seemed to me to be trying to catch some Z’s and one even took a huge dump in the street hoping to scatter his new found saviours and restore his previously peaceful state, a restful condition that the dullards from PETA were disrupting.

Me and the horse had a good laugh.

This is what we have given our country over to.

I pray for you America.

By The Corporal

December 28, 2008 12:22 AM | Link to this

Yawn

By Chad Harris

December 28, 2008 12:22 AM | Link to this

The best thing you could do is to get your horse homeboy to start doing your posts. The horse would give us infinitely more articulate and insightful posts, and the horse’s education would be a quantum leap better than the horse’s a* you represent.

By Chad Harris

December 28, 2008 1:02 AM | Link to this

Israeli officials said the Gaza airstrikes, which killed more than 225 on Saturday and went on into the night, were the start of what could be days or even months of an effort against Hamas.

The closest approximation to surgical strikes that wipe out the core of Hamas who are continuing terrorism against Israel whether it takes days, weeks, or months is a great thing.

Unfortunately the situation isn’t black and white as Richard North Patterson’s Exile captured.

Go Israel! Erase Hamas

By Chad Harris

December 28, 2008 1:12 AM | Link to this

White House Puts Onus on Hamas to End Escalation of Violence (and they never will)

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/28/world/middleeast/28diplo.html

and the ole AJC is on it fer sure killing their Washington Bureau in April with’

Officer Shoots Kills Suspect in Gwinette

Ah knows ah kin get da news in Jaw Jaw with that AJC fer sure.

By Chad Harris

December 28, 2008 3:12 AM | Link to this

This is precisely the choriographed elitist attitude on the part of Caroline Kennedy that makes me oppose her ever being in the Senate. We have a lot of bad ones, and we don’t need one more.

I’m sorry but if you’re a lawyer as a baseline, and you went to Harvard as an undergrad, and Columbia University School of Law and you can’t communicate precise positions and you try to answer every question from the NYT Editorial Board with vague BS, but want to be in the Senate 4-6 weeks when HRC gets confirmed (sadly for this country and I’m totally a “liberal”) then you don’t deserve to be in federal office or in Congress.

That’s a pathetic performance on the part of Kennedy, and her arrogance pervaded that interview.

“I think we’re done here” says it all from Kennedy. Obama like him or not would not be so communicatively stupid.

By Chad Harris

December 28, 2008 3:15 AM | Link to this

Caroline Kennedy’s Pathetic and Arrpogant Meaningless Appearance Before NYT Editorial Board

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/28/nyregion/28kennedy.html?hp=&pagewanted=print

Cuomo and Rep. Carolyn Maloney are infinitely more qualified than Kennedy to be in the Senate. Both of them work for a living, and both of them know the issues to be faced quite well. There is no evidence whatsoever that Kennedy knows any of them, and she even side-stepped questions on education where she is hardly an expert but claims to be with two kids who went to private schools before shuttling off to their Ivy league nests.

By lovelyliz

December 28, 2008 6:39 AM | Link to this

It’s who you.

You’ve got to love these neo-cons

By sunshine and thunder

December 28, 2008 10:09 AM | Link to this

CHAD HARRIS - MIDORI

I saw a rejection of Sarah Palin on the part of the electorate but not on the part of the rabid left like you two.

There is an obsession there. I think it’s because she reminds you of what you might have been had you lived worthwhile lives or put your priorities in order.

I can see no other reason why you bring her up over and over.

As long as you do, I’m going to defend her.

She must have something going for her. She makes you left nuts shiver in your sandals.

We are all products of the Judeo/Christian civilization. It may be all well and good that you weirdos have rejected religion, and that’s fine. But that doesn’t take away the fact that your everyday lives, you values, your ethics have all been shaped by the teachings of the past.

It’s very likely that you have a subconcious shame that you are violating the ingrained values you possess and that you are so afraid of Sarah Palin because she lives them every day and still gets herself elected governor of a state.

You have been taught by the Gloria Steinhems of the world that, in order to be a successful woman, you must abort babies, not try to raise them AND have a career.

By Chad Harris

December 28, 2008 11:45 AM | Link to this

I’m part of the electorate. I register to vote, I voted the first day I could for Obama and Martin, and I canvassed for Obama and Martin. So you saw rejection on the part of those of us who voted—that’s the definition of an electorate, and I’m articulating why we rejected her.

Kennedy resembles Palin terrifically because although she is far better formally educated, she’s afraid to answer any questions and her handlers aren’t letting her talk to the press. I made the point and linked the article as to how insipidly stupid Kennedy looked when she met with the editorial board of the NYT Thursday or Friday.

I bring her up so that people will not be stupid enough to insult us again. I’m always trying to educate the Rethugs.

I don’t feel threatened by a team that lost by 160+ electoral vptes and only won with rare exce[topms om the poorly educated last in SAT maximum high school drop out South and narrowly in a few states like Missouri.

I found yet another reason to reject the hapless pathetic Caroline Kennedy for Senate. If you graduated Harvard and then Columbia law and you can’t get two words out without saying “you know” every two words of a sentence, you below in language rehab.

She’s very much like Sarah Palin. No interviews, no ability to formulate ideas she can defend spontanously.

What truly fascinated me about Palin was that someone in the Senate 26 years, was willing to put someone that stupid, poorly educated and unqualified a heart beat away from a 72 year old man with a 4 time recurrent of metastatic Stage II Melanoma. I know McCain’s numbers for recurrence, and that each recurrence can be harder to treat so it’s not idle speculation. I know McCain refused to release his medical records, and I know that he had a wide resection of the last melanoma that is only reserved for an agressive metastatic melanoma.

So my fascination was that the Republicans would allow themselves to be exhibited as so compellingly stupid with so compelling poorly educated a candidate that they were afraid to allow interviews at all except in the most careful situations. Most of them were with idiots on Faux news like Hannity who lobbed softballs. When she did two somewhat objective but actually very gentle interviews, Palin looked pathetic and they were the source of verbatim quotes featured on SNL. They made Tina Fey white hot, but the genius was that Tina Fey used a high percentage of direct Palin quotes.

I would not want my child to get beyond the fifth grade and not be able to articulate far more prescient and educated answers to questons than Palin.

“I can see Russia from Alaska…when Putin rears his head” is going to be shown for generations as an example of stupidity. It’s in the Stupid Hall of Fame.

The economic quote was so insipidly stupid and stream of conscious that it put James Joyces’ Ulysses and Leopold Bloom to shame.

By Chad Harris

December 28, 2008 11:52 AM | Link to this

S&T—

As an amatuer psychiatrist who couldn’t survive the first week of gross anatomy as a freshman in a medical school you couldn’t get accepted to, you fall on your face. Your stereotyping is simplistic. Commie, Marxist, Sandals, etc. don’t describe democrats. Those are old cliches your clinging to.

And as to babies the Thugs have shown they are all for babies—by other people for the most part, and then don’t want to do a think to insure that they have health care or education.

I never got an answer from you as to what you would do with the 400,000 embryos that have to be thrown away every year in the US because they have deteriorated and we can’t keep them medically intact.

You think we could implant them all into Ann Coulter’s uterus? Can you get her perimssion? It would create monsters but we could sell tickets and then use the money for health care.

By sunshine and thunder

December 28, 2008 1:48 PM | Link to this

Sarah Palin and now Ann Coulter’s uterus.

We all know that Republican women are much better looking than their democrat counterparts. And now we know that the demmocrat men can’t stop thinking about republican women.

By Chad Harris

December 28, 2008 7:07 PM | Link to this

I immediately discard a Republican woman for any social relationship I have control over bubby. Life is too short to waste that kind of time, and there are plenty of great women who aren’t so stupid as to drink the Wingnut coolaid—statisticlaly many more voters than Repubican women

By Chad Harris

December 28, 2008 8:38 PM | Link to this

statistically as well