Jay Bookman

By spankmonkey

December 19, 2008 7:03 AM | Link to this

Yeah, well all that means is that Obama’s a muslim criminal…

How dare you bring up a cristmas masterpiece, don’t you know there’s a war on christmas????

gays are going hell. abortion is sin, but the actual people who have abortions are not sinners, the democrats are for allowing them to have them…

All my guns, goods and wealth have been piled out front on the lawn since nov 5 so Obama can pick them up for redistribution, if they don’t hurry it’s all going to be totally ruined by the rain. The neighborhood kids took all the cash out of the pile weeks ago, being the good little democrats that they are, or would that make them conservative capitalists???

I’m ready to sit back and watch the country go down the tubes (even more) and cheer baby cheer! because that make me right, and that’s what matters most.

All our problems are caused by black and brown people having babies, and wanting jobs…

Did I cover all the points???

By Road Scholar

December 19, 2008 7:31 AM | Link to this

First, Spankmonkey: Please “sit back and watch..” and keep your hands off the keyboard! Enough of your racist drivel.

“It’s a Wonderful Life ” reminds me a lttle about today’s world. Everyone too self absorbed to realize and thank their God for what they have.

Off subject: Why can’t the new credit card rules go into effect NOW? If they can take the peoples’ money to bail them out, the people should benefit immediately!

Finally, the dilemna that Watergate and Deep Throat presented played out as it should have. It is not right to have two different executions of the law. While loyalty to ones president and country is admirable, loyalty to the law and your oath to enforce the existing laws was the right thing to do.

Sometimes I wonder if there will be a “deep throat” with Shrub’s administration?

Finally, I saw an advance showing of “Gran Torino”, a movie starring and directed by Clint Eastwood yesterday. It was excelent; it is suppose to open at Christmas in Atlanta.

By AJC/DNC Management

December 19, 2008 7:34 AM | Link to this

Just think, after a year of Oblahma and the Chicago crew, we’ll all be living in the real life version of the horrible world without George………………………Bushie.

bwa

Maybe Angel Sarah can come around and give us hope, no?

By DB, Gwinnettian

December 19, 2008 7:43 AM | Link to this

That brought back a lot of memories. Thanks for the link, Jay—I don’t often drill down into the NYTimes’ Movies section and I probably wouldn’t have seen that had you not posted it.

Couple of things Jamieson either neglected or chose not to cover that had always darkened up the movie for me (and like him, I do love the movie and think of/quote from it often)

Obviously I could go on, but will spare all of you.

Thanks again.

By Paul

December 19, 2008 7:59 AM | Link to this

Nice way to start the morning, Jay. Thanks.

Bankers - financiers - politicians - cops - all characters in the story and all illustrate what can happen if they use their positions to benefit themselves rather than others. Stewart illustrates what happens when one is guided by a morality not written into law and tries to treat others like he would want to be treated. The movie shows we’re all connected in some way or other - our words and actions have consequences - and shows the far-reaching effects we can have, for good or bad, depending on the choices we make.

Mostly, though, to me it show that our own personal attitude and actions do not have to be controlled by others. Present reality does not trump future hope.

Thanks again.

By Goldie

December 19, 2008 8:02 AM | Link to this

Yeah, well all that means is that Obama’s a muslim criminal…

Well, I certainly get what Spankmonkey’s original point was — along with the fact that “there’s a war on Christmas” raging around in some right-wingnuts minds.

Merry Christmas, Blogging Saints and Sinners!

By AJC/DNC Management

December 19, 2008 8:05 AM | Link to this

Meanwhile, the Chicago Tribune published a new story about Illinois Rep. Luis Gutierrez, who racked up $420,000 through a series of suspicious real-estate deals. Texas Rep. Silvestre Reyes, chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, came under scrutiny this fall for questionable earmarking. West Virginia Rep. Alan Mollohan has been under investigation for a separate earmarking mess. And then there’s Connecticut Sen. Chris Dodd, who has yet to answer questions about the sweetheart mortgage deal he received from Countrywide.

One unfortunate side effect of Mr. Obama’s long coattails was that they helped the party’s more ethically challenged members get re-elected. Pennsylvania’s Paul Kanjorski and John Murtha, who both struggled to keep their seats because of earmarking travails, will continue to answer questions about their actions.-WSJ

ew

By DB, Gwinnettian

December 19, 2008 8:44 AM | Link to this

AJC/DNC Management @ 8.05 gave us: ew

You know what’s “ew” worthy, Andy?

Guy who is kind enough to play host your ridiculous rants and copy/paste spammage, posts a soul-searching column yesterday about a family heartbreak, and you couldn’t be bothered to offer one word of kindness or sympathy. You couldn’t be bothered to take a damn breath, stop riding that idiotic hobby-horse of yours for a minute to consider that maybe, just maybe, this guy and his employer, whom I’ve never treated with an ounce of respect or decency, deserves to hear something nice from me for a chance. You couldn’t help yourself dropping four little turdlet-posts in reply to that column without once saying so much as “sorry, guy” or “yeah, that’s rough”.

No, you couldn’t do that, because you’re a douchebag. A whiny, ignorant, clueless, socially retarded douchebag, who breathes the same air that I breathe.

ew.

By The Corporal

December 19, 2008 8:52 AM | Link to this

Hey, I hear a bell tinkling !!

P.S.

Here are some of my recent vents as an early Christmas (sorry, I mean Cultural Awareness Season) present to my liberal friends.

To the ventor who opined the Republicans should change their symbol from an elephant to a dinosaur, I think Democrats should change their symbol from a donkey to a blind, deaf, poisonous chameleon.

Here’s a suggestion I saw for Illinois license plates: “Illinois: Where our governors make our license plates”.

I heard President Elect Obama is arriving in Washington, D.C. for his Inauguration via magic carpet.

Bumper Sticker: Members of Congress should wear uniforms like NASCAR drivers so we can identify their corporate sponsors.

Oh, I see, transparency means unless you are accused of something stupid, unethical or criminal.

By AmVet

December 19, 2008 8:52 AM | Link to this

One of the many great things about living in this country is that one can be as delusional as they wish.

For example, one can contend that now that the mulatto is the president-elect, the otherwise perfect country left by our serially impeachable president and VP is now ruined.

They can pretend that the current commander-in-chump and his gangsters have not critically wounded the enormous good will of the American people. And that of our allies and historic friends.

Or gleefully participated in the corporate destruction of capitalism while lavishing in piles of dirty money.

Or invaded the wrong country getting over 4100 Americans killed needlessly.

Or sanctioned the anti-environment crowd to rape and pillage whatever they chose. With NO regard for future generations.

Or attempted to auction off the sovereign people’s resources and assets to the highest bidder.

Or tried to turn the federal government into a quasi-theocracy with fools and jesters in the King’s court.

Or even deny that this administration has been a horrific nightmare that has set this greatest of nations reeling backwards.

No wonder they keep getting humiliated every other November. And that will continue for the foreseeable future.

Thank (your favorite deity here) their days as an imperious, unethical excuse for governance are nearly behind us now.

Let us all hope that in the next 30 days they don’t start WW III and/or screw up everything else they touch even more.

But I’m reasonably sure that is too much to ask…

By AJC/DNC Management

December 19, 2008 9:01 AM | Link to this

That remark clarified nothing; today it seems like obfuscation at best and prevarication at worst. Nobody is likely to believe that Emanuel spoke more than 20 times with Blagojevich or the governor’s aide John Harris without informing Obama about those conversations. To insist that he had “no contact” when his top aide was involved in so many contacts is precisely the kind of parsing that undermines confidence.-Salon

Parsing?

Gee, during the Bush years this would be known as a “lie,” and great upheaval and whining would commence and endure for the entire upcoming four years, the gnashing of teeth and rending of cloth would be mere sideshow to the pulling of hair and shrieking.

But now, not surprisingly, there is an eerie stillness over the Pinko Nation, save for the occasional outburst of BDS, the forlorn and mindless rambling dissertations of things they are unable to prove.

ew

By sunshine and thunder

December 19, 2008 9:12 AM | Link to this

AMVET

Nice list of bullet points. Too bad you can’t prove any of them.

Just another bitter liberal still having a hissy fit over the 2000 election I suppose.

By AJC/DNC Management

December 19, 2008 9:18 AM | Link to this

Viability Requirement: The firms must use these funds to become financially viable. Taxpayers will not be asked to provide financing for firms that do not become viable. If the firms have not attained viability by March 31, 2009, the loan will be called and all funds returned to the Treasury.

Definition of Viability: A firm will only be deemed viable if it has a positive net present value, taking into account all current and future costs, and can fully repay the government loan.-Politico

So did Bush pull the rug out from under the libs or what?

Anybody really believe that GM is going to miraculously become “viable” over the Christmas Holiday or even early next year in the Great Depression Part Duex?

So big decisions are on tap, do you call the loans and blow the automakers away or do you send good money after bad?

Hehehehehe.

By Citizen of the World

December 19, 2008 9:28 AM | Link to this

It’s funny. I watched It’s a Wonderful Life all the way through for the first time this past weekend, and I was struck by the darkness, as well. And I was surprised, somewhat, when Potter didn’t find redemption in the end, a la Scrooge.

We want always to believe that the greedy and corrupt, when confronted with the human suffering they’ve caused, will feel remorse and change their ways, but too often they just look for even more ways to pad their coffers and insulate themselves from the harsh realities faced by the poor. They can never have enough.

I was also struck by the dignified portrayals of the working poor. We don’t often get to see how poverty makes people even more vulnerable to corruption and greed — i.e., circumstances beyond their control.

And now, with this economic downturn, unchecked corruption and greed are beginning to affect — and even impoverish — many in the middle and upper classes, too.

Maybe the current situation is the eyeopener we need to stop blaming the poor and help them instead, through a living wage, more equitable schooling, better housing standards, etc.

By AmVet

December 19, 2008 9:35 AM | Link to this

s&t,

I could give you a mountain of evidence and it would never open your eyes. EVER.

Your problem.

BTW, fool, I did not even vote for Gore.

You could profit immensely by adhering to the old adage — Better to be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

Off to pay for the occupation. And bailout.

Pray for rain…

By Midori

December 19, 2008 9:51 AM | Link to this

Spankmonkey,

You’re hilarious :)

By Midori

December 19, 2008 9:54 AM | Link to this

DB @ 8:44,

You sure summed that up magnificently.

By sunshine and thunder

December 19, 2008 9:55 AM | Link to this

AMVET

It wasn’t me who opened his mouth and made outrageous charges against the President.

I wass simply asking you to prove any of them - one of them. You can’t. Hence your answer that you could provide “mountains of evidence”.

Well “could” doesn’t pay the rent shyster.

By FrankLeeDarling

December 19, 2008 10:12 AM | Link to this

Proof,Sunshine?You want proof of Bush’s disasters?What ,some link?

The best proof is what you can see with your own two eyes.Where have you been the last eight years,head in sand I guess.

By Eric1

December 19, 2008 10:30 AM | Link to this

Reruns from Corporalette…no thanks.

By RW-(the original)

December 19, 2008 10:31 AM | Link to this

DB @ 8:44,

How about if I drop both ragger and DB and just call you nanny?

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I’ve only seen this movie once and thought it was hopelessly overacted. I guess I could try to figure out what the title of this post means and possibly reading the link would do that, but I see Jay has built another floor upstairs. A quick google search tells me Zuzu’s Petals is an all female band, a dress shop, or a florist, but none of those seem likely.

By Mrs. Godzilla

December 19, 2008 10:34 AM | Link to this

This movie makes me miss my Mom.

She would have loved this though….

It’s A Wonderful Life - SNL Alternate ending……

By Citizen of the World

December 19, 2008 10:44 AM | Link to this

Is it too much to ask that posters on this blog stay even remotely on topic?

I understand there’s going to be some drift if a thread goes on long enough — that’s to be expected and it can lead to some interesting discussion — but we should all at least start out with some attempt at a thoughtful response to the subject at hand.

For some of you, Jay’s posting a new topic is tantamount to pulling your string. The same predictable, pre-programmed chatter comes spilling out every time.

By sunshine and thunder

December 19, 2008 10:44 AM | Link to this

Frank Lee Darling

Yeah. A link or two would be nice. And don’t use MoveOn.org or some left nut website that does the same thing all of you have been doing: just assume that everyone KNOWS that Bush has been a disaster.

By Mrs. Godzilla

December 19, 2008 10:53 AM | Link to this

sunshine and thunder

send us links to all the Bush triumphs…. and don’t use any right wing web sites that think his excrement has no aroma….

By RealityKing

December 19, 2008 11:35 AM | Link to this

NYTimes!!?? Sorry but I read the AJC when I want progressively filtered truths…

By sunshine and thunder

December 19, 2008 11:45 AM | Link to this

MRS GODZILLA

You wrote:

send us links to all the Bush triumphs…. and don’t use any right wing web sites that think his excrement has no aroma….

Typical. I asked one of you left nuts to substantiate your wildly exaggerated claims about Bush’s failures and, rather than substantiate anything you demand that I substantiate his triumphs.

I’m not surprised.

Round one goes to Sunshine and Thunder.

By SaveOurRepublic

December 19, 2008 11:52 AM | Link to this

More taxpayer funded Corporate Welfare from the Globalist shill Necon$. Most of the Demoncrats on “Crapitol sHill” are also in league with these bailouts.

AmVet @ 8:52 AM - You forgot to add “Or sold out U.S. sovereignty via the SPP (NAU lynchpin)”, “Or bowed to the Central Banking Cartel & Wall $teet ponzi schemers”! ;-)

By RealityKing

December 19, 2008 11:53 AM | Link to this

57 million people are celebrating their 5th year of freedom this Christmas thanks to Bush. Link to that!

By Mrs. Godzilla

December 19, 2008 11:59 AM | Link to this

sunshine and thunder

round 1? ok I concede.

round 2: Post Bush triumphs from non right wing websites

By Mrs. Godzilla

December 19, 2008 12:02 PM | Link to this

1 million Iraqis are dead this Christmas thanks to Bush, too.

By sunshine and thunder

December 19, 2008 12:11 PM | Link to this

MRS GODZILLA

You wrote:

1 million Iraqis are dead this Christmas thanks to Bush, too.

That’s exactly what I’m talking about. It sounds exaggerated. I’d like to see some documentation.

I have a feeling that most of you are regurgitating poppycock that you hear in left wing sewers.

I didn’t start this spat. I was simply asking someone to document his claims and he didn’t do that. Nor are you. We can only infer that you have NO PROOF of most of these preposterous assertions.

By Mrs. Godzilla

December 19, 2008 12:13 PM | Link to this

Round 2 to Mrs. Godzilla

Round 3: Post from non right wing web sites how the world views America now and compare and contrast to how they felt prior to Bush.

By DB, Gwinnettian

December 19, 2008 12:33 PM | Link to this

“That’s exactly what I’m talking about. It sounds exaggerated. I’d like to see some documentation.”

Obviously one innocent life taken for the benefit of vain, stupid old men is one life too many—but if we’re talking about realistic estimates, yeah. A million might be high. Here’s a BBC story on the conflicting numbers that might be illuminating to both you and the Mrs..

By Class of '98

December 19, 2008 12:35 PM | Link to this

Would someone please explain to me why I should care what the rest of the world thinks about this country??

I’ve never gotten a straight answer on that one.

Some of you people have the mentality of a 14 year-old high school freshman.

Popularity and what people “think about you” is everything to these fools.

By sunshine and thunder

December 19, 2008 12:43 PM | Link to this

MRS GODZILLA

— PULLED —-

It was not merely way too long, it was ridiculously way too long.

By Mrs. Godzilla

December 19, 2008 12:46 PM | Link to this

class of 98

is that 8th grade or high school?

ever try to get a group of folks to get something done? ever lead anything or anyone?

if they hate your guts, i mean really hate your guts - toss shoes at you, burn you in effigy - it might get tough.

hope i used small enough words for you to understand.

By Mrs. Godzilla

December 19, 2008 12:53 PM | Link to this

SUNSHINE AND THUNDER

WHAT, NO BACK UP????

Round 2 still to Mrs. G and now Round 3!

NOT TO MENTION YOU CAN FIND THAT STUFF WORD FOR WORD ON YAHOO ANSWERS….AND FREE REPUBLIC…..

By The Corporal

December 19, 2008 12:54 PM | Link to this

To Sunshine and Thunder

Good job but it will fall on deaf ears (I mean blind eyes).

Matt. 7:6

By sunshine and thunder

December 19, 2008 1:05 PM | Link to this

The Corporal, Mrs. G.

Corp, you wrote:

Good job but it will fall on deaf ears (I mean blind eyes).

Deaf ears are one thing. What we have here are people who think they are putting something over on someone and what’s really happening is that their true colors are shining through for the world to see.

IMHO, Mrs. G. you are so typical of Obama supporters. You have your sound bites that you steal from DU, MoveOn and the lunatic left on TV and think that the rest of us are just as ill informed as you are.

Well, we aren’t.

Come on, where is the documentation behind all the moonbat claims about Bush?

All any of the left nuts have done so far is ask ME to prove that THEY are wrong. No, no, no. You have to prove to the rest of us that what you say is right. That onus is on you.

What a bunch of weirdos.

By Mrs. Godzilla

December 19, 2008 1:16 PM | Link to this

SUNSHINE AND THUNDER

hate to burst your bubble….

but we won.

our guy has incredible approval numbers.

we proved our point.

i’d say the onus was yours.

“God Yul” to you and yours.

By scrappy

December 19, 2008 1:17 PM | Link to this

sunshine and thunder - unfortunatly for me I read this blog and saw you taking up most of it. Your extremely long post isn’t falling on deaf ears - you still didn’t back anything up with fact, those are your opinions. In my opinion most of those things you list would be in the “worst president ever” category.

an actual fact would be something like prior to bush, students earned _ on SATs, and thanks to NCLB Act they now earn _ on SATs. My opinion is that education as has gone bust under the non-funded NCLB act forcing teachers to teach to a test and test only. (I won’t even go further on the lack of sex ed, creating an entire teenage population that doesn’t even know what BC is…)

By Class of '98

December 19, 2008 1:24 PM | Link to this

Nah, still didn’t answer the question. You’re like a 8th grade girl that hopes everyone likes her.

By the way, insulting people doesn’t mean you win the debate.

By The Corporal

December 19, 2008 1:26 PM | Link to this

To Sunshine and Thunder

See, I told you.

Have you ever had to try to deal with, converse with or interview someone who has been brainwashed. I have and it’s a very odd thing and basically you are wasting your time ……….. but like you I try occasionally as it amuses me.

By DB, Gwinnettian

December 19, 2008 1:29 PM | Link to this

S&T - “Saddam Hussein is now in prison.”

Really? He is?

I know you think highly of this Administration, but do you honestly believe them capable of bringing the decapitated back to life?

By sunshine and thunder

December 19, 2008 1:34 PM | Link to this

SCRAPPY

No you don’t get it. The whole point is to try to get the outlandish claims about Bush’s failed policies documented and proven.

Why has that suddenly turned into forcing ME to prove they AREN’T true?

Good grief, is english a second language for some of you?

I posted those points to give Mrs. G. a “down payment” on Bush’s accomplishments. I didn’t make outrageous statements and then stone wall when asked to back them up.

The Federal Department of Education should be abolished. I won’t argue with you there. The NCLB, according to what I’ve read, is the only thing close to holding teachers and schools accountable for their students’ work.

Just remember that the NCLB was a proud accomplishment of Ted Kennedy with George Bush.

By Hillbillly Deluxe

December 19, 2008 1:36 PM | Link to this

What about a rule that a post can be no longer than the original column that is being commented on?

By sunshine and thunder

December 19, 2008 1:49 PM | Link to this

HILLBILLY DELUXE

You wrote:

What about a rule that a post can be no longer than the original column that is being commented on?

Just wait for my post of the second 4 years. ;>)

By sunshine and thunder

December 19, 2008 1:58 PM | Link to this

DB Gwinnettian

Ha, ha. It is a list of the first four years and it was written at the end of that time.

Only Chuck Norris can bring the decapitated back to life. Everybody knows that. ;<)

By Citizen of the World

December 19, 2008 2:16 PM | Link to this

S&T, “accomplishment” and “failure” are not mutually exclusive or opposite terms, so your list of Bush’s actions from his first term does not prove your opinion that he was a good president or disprove anyone else’s claim that he wasn’t.

By Bullseye

December 19, 2008 2:32 PM | Link to this

Failures: http://www.alternet.org/story/32382/

By S&T Blue Ribbon, The King of Bull

December 19, 2008 2:54 PM | Link to this

“His leadership resulted in Republican gains in the House and Senate, solidifying Republican control of both houses of Congress and the presidency.”

Now why would anyone post outright lies in a bullet list and try to pass it off as truth. It must be another one of those uneducated Republicans.

By sunshine and thunder

December 19, 2008 3:21 PM | Link to this

Citizen of the World

I’m not trying to prove anything. Duh!! I was giving Mrs. G. a list. I haven’t made any claims, have I?

Read the thread. I was asking for the libs to give us some BACK UP of their constant claims about Bush. All they did was demand that I prove them wrong instead of proving their claims themselves. Not my yob main.

By sunshine and thunder

December 19, 2008 3:40 PM | Link to this

Bullseye

You gave me a list compiled by a guy who calls himself a “cut and run liberal”. What am I supposed to do with it? The list is full of assumptions and innuendo and very short on verifiable facts.

S&T Blue Rib and BSer

You wrote:

Now why would anyone post outright lies in a bullet list and try to pass it off as truth. It must be another one of those uneducated Republicans.

About:

“His leadership resulted in Republican gains in the House and Senate, solidifying Republican control of both houses of Congress and the presidency.”

Do you deny that W campaigned for Republicans in 2002 and 2004 and managed to get himself and a lot of them elected? Hell, I remember how much it p$$d you guys off when he beat you at the ballot box over and over. LOL.

You should be careful who you call a liar, friend. You may just wind up looking like a fool.

By Bullseye

December 19, 2008 5:27 PM | Link to this

http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/20081111bushregretsmissionaccomplishedandmore/

By Bullseye

December 19, 2008 5:31 PM | Link to this

Here is a nice list too. http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/1539/

By sunshine and thunder

December 19, 2008 5:59 PM | Link to this

Bullseye

I couldn’t make your first link work. If it’s anything like your second link, however, it’s mindless. For example:

On the day of George W. Bush’s inauguration, Chief of Staff Andrew Card issues a sixty-day moratorium halting all new health, safety, and environmental regulations issued in the final days of the Clinton administration.

It’s no secret that Clinton set a number of booby trap regulations in his final days in the WH. Bush repealed them. Good.

23 On the twenty-eighth anniversary of the Roe v. Wade decision, Bush reinstates the “global gag rule” barring U.S. funding for abortion counseling abroad. February 2001

A lot of taxpayers don’t want to pay for abortions. THere is not provision for it in the Constitution.

5 Bush suspends Clinton’s “roadless rule” protecting nearly sixty million acres of forests from logging and road-building.

The roadless rule was a mindless big green measure from radical environmentalists. They should stick to tree sitting.

17 Bush signs four anti-union executive orders, including measures to prohibit “project labor agreements” at federal construction sites and to remove job protections for union employees whose companies lose federal contracts.

Good. The unions did every thing they could to prevent Bush’s election. Did they think he was going to send them flowers? I’m sure these agreements did more harm than good anyway.

26 Senate Republicans introduce a bill to open up the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to oil exploration. March 2001

And after big green and the dems killed it we subsequently saw oil at 140 a barrel.

I think both of your links are from left wing sites that just don’t like some of the things Bush did. To them I say TOUGH. Now you’ve got your guy, change it.