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Bush plays Santa for Detroit

Earlier this month, Senate Republicans summoned enough votes to block emergency loans sought by U.S. automakers. They saw the vote as a chance to take a swing at the UAW and organized labor, and they took it, economic consequences be damned.

But their fellow Republican, George Bush, wasn’t quite so willing to see the auto industry collapse as he left the White House for Texas.

“Under ordinary circumstances, I would say (bankruptcy) is the price failed companies must pay,” Bush said today. “These are not ordinary circumstances… Allowing the U.S. auto industry to collapse is not a responsible course.”

At first blush, the deal looks pretty stringent. In return for emergency loans of up to $17.4 billion, “the companies will have to restructure their wage and benefit agreements so that by the end of 2009 they are competitive with foreign automakers that have plants in the U.S. In addition, by March 31 of this year the companies will have to show they are financially ‘viable’ and able to repay the government,” reports the Washington Post.

Merry Christmas, Detroit.

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By Mrs. Godzilla

December 19, 2008 10:40 AM | Link to this

Merry Christmas Detroit.

And Happy New Year Toyota Republicans!

By RW-(the original)

December 19, 2008 10:52 AM | Link to this

The deal looks a lot more like what Senator Corker tried to put through and it’s better than what the Democrats tried to stick us with, but it’s still ridiculous. Going through bankruptcy doesn’t mean the industry collapses.

By RealityKing

December 19, 2008 10:54 AM | Link to this

And now.., our wonderous government will waste billions of more tax dollars propping up these failed business models before we finally throw our hands up and let free enterprise take over.

Bailouts are Bush’s greatest failures..

By Uncle Fun

December 19, 2008 10:54 AM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla, That’s MR. HONDA REPUBLICAN TO YOU!

Jay, The big three are not car companies. They are insurance providers. Unions and democrats have destroyed many of our companies. You can not blame republicans for Detroits mess. The upper midwest is totally controlled by democrats. They got themselves in to this mess and now their chickens have come home to roost. The southern republicans are doing the right things in wanting the big 3 to go bankrupt. I applaud Bob Corker for standing up. And so do the American people. Let them fail and restructure. Let the unions go cry on Barny Franks shoulder.

By AJC/DNC Management

December 19, 2008 10:58 AM | Link to this

Now Oblahmasan has two choices in March, pull the loans and kill off the UAW entirely or send good money after bad.

Good luck with that.

By david wayne osedach, san diego/ U.S.A.

December 19, 2008 10:59 AM | Link to this

The auto manufacturers requested $15 billion. Where, exactly, is the extra $2.4 billion going? To lobbyists? Senator Dodd of Connecticut? Bonuses. Please specify the exact end destination of this money.

By Truthman

December 19, 2008 11:01 AM | Link to this

Quit with the “unions and democrats have destroyed our companies” crap.

You like the fact that you get health insurance? Those pesky unions got you those!

You like that your children don’t have to work in factories for sub-minimum wages. Those darn liberals made that happen!

You like working a 40-hour week? Those stupid unions, again!!

You like paid vacation and family leave? Those godless democrats strike again!!

If it weren’t for unions and democrats fighting rich, white repugs for your rights, you might be in thw sweatshop right now, Uncle Fun.

But now, Comrade Bush has socialized all Detroit’s bad decisions and golden parachutes.

Barry Goldwter must be rolling in his grave!!

By NRB

December 19, 2008 11:04 AM | Link to this

By March they’ll be requesting an additional 15 Billion to stay afloat. And Oblahma will gleefully write them their welfare check. Boo.

By getalife

December 19, 2008 11:11 AM | Link to this

Yeah, and now Paulson wants the other 350 billion.

Happy Holidays comrades.

By Midori

December 19, 2008 11:12 AM | Link to this

NRB,

Is it only considered a “welfare check” if Obama writes it?

or does Bush’s check fall into that category as well?

By GodHatesTrash

December 19, 2008 11:15 AM | Link to this

Off topic, but Sara’s grandbaby is due this weekend. Good luck Bristol and Levi!

By the way - the new arrival’s other grandma just got busted for six felony drug counts!

You can’t make this stuff up!

Alaska - the new Alabama!

By DB, Gwinnettian

December 19, 2008 11:44 AM | Link to this

Scanned the WaPo piece. Not sure how the “stringent” conditions couldn’t be relaxed once Obama took office. Anyone know?

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“the new arrival’s other grandma just got busted for six felony drug counts!”

GHT, my presumption is that Gov. Palin had no knowledge of or involvement with the family member’s drug procurement, unless evidence is brought to light that would indicate otherwise.

By AJC/DNC Management

December 19, 2008 11:56 AM | Link to this

Oh yeah, the “law and order, throw the book at them” liberals are out forming the lynch mob for drug possession this morning, why, will they save the nation from the rampaging criminals?

In the book, Obama acknowledges that he used cocaine as a high school student but rejected heroin. “Pot had helped, and booze; maybe a little blow when you could afford it. Not smack, though,” he says.

GFY (good for you.)

By getalife

December 19, 2008 12:02 PM | Link to this

Looks like she had a meth lab at her house.

Huge meth problem in Alabama er Alaska.

By GaGirlinMI

December 19, 2008 12:02 PM | Link to this

Yes, unions did good IN THEIR TIME. But now, the union leaders are just as dirty/greedy as the CEO of any company. When you’re told that union dues will be deducted from your check even if you elect not to join, there’s a problem. And the Midwest has crippled itself by believing the union would give them the ‘good’ life rather than encouraging education. In a poll conducted in West Michigan last year, a huge percentage(I think it was in the 70% range) felt that high schools should worry more about getting graduating students into the work force than into college.

By RW-(the original)

December 19, 2008 12:13 PM | Link to this

Out on $2,000.00 bail. Must be some really nasty drug charges.

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How long before Rahm Emanuel is no longer the Rahm Emanuel that Obama knew?

President-elect Barack Obama’s incoming chief of staff Rahm Emanuel had a deeper involvement in pressing for a U.S. Senate seat appointment than previously reported, the Sun-Times has learned. Emanuel had direct discussions about the seat with Gov. Blagojevich, who is is accused of trying to auction it to the highest bidder

By AJC/DNC Management

December 19, 2008 12:14 PM | Link to this

Your democrat led Congress hard at work for…………….themselves-

A crumbling economy, more than 2 million constituents who have lost their jobs this year, and congressional demands of CEOs to work for free did not convince lawmakers to freeze their own pay. Instead, they will get a $4,700 pay increase, amounting to an additional $2.5 million that taxpayers will spend on congressional salaries, and watchdog groups are not happy about it.

Now they can haul as-s out of town for a nice long vacation paid for by their special interest groups.

ew

By Eric

December 19, 2008 12:23 PM | Link to this

sorry Jay, but those wage agreements by 12/31/09 are non-binding. They are just “targets”, which makes them practically useless.

And the “viability” is based on net present value. Ask any financial expert how easy it is to manipulate NPV estimates.

You call that stringent? That’s laughable, but not surprising.

By Pogo

December 19, 2008 12:27 PM | Link to this

What is going to happen when people still don’t buy their cars? That must happen for the Big Three to remain in business. The bottom line is that people must be willing to go in debt to purchase vehicles and for the foreseeable future credit is going to be tight and people are only going to buy what they must have to live which ain’t no Escalade. This isn’t going to have a pretty ending no matter how much of us taxpayers money the “Government” throws at it.

By getalife

December 19, 2008 12:32 PM | Link to this

What we’re looking at now are the consequences of a world gone Madoff.

Wall Street did not get drunk with greed, they got sh-itfaced with greed.

By Mort

December 19, 2008 12:34 PM | Link to this

GM and Chrysler need to merge and come up with the 21st Century version of the Volkswagen Beetle, something cheap, reliable, economical and clean. People will beat a path to their door.

By Mr Snarky

December 19, 2008 12:55 PM | Link to this

Looks like Bush avoided at least one disaster during his term…this hot potato gets passed on down the line.

By Davo

December 19, 2008 12:57 PM | Link to this

Postponing the inevitable…at our expense. How is this even legal?

By The Corporal

December 19, 2008 12:59 PM | Link to this

*And Again ….. *

Let’s all sing together now ….

Everyone stand up and holler for the Union

Let’s give the brotherhood a cheer,

Everyone stand up and holler for the Union

We ain’t hit a lick all year !!

P.S. There is a lot of wisdom in that simple song.

By Midori

December 19, 2008 1:10 PM | Link to this

Al Franken has taken the lead during the Minnesota recount

and it’s growing!! :)

By The Corporal

December 19, 2008 1:22 PM | Link to this

Union Story

Let me tell you just one of many stories I could tell about unions as to why this bailout won’t work unless the UAW is busted to their knees.

1966 - I’m working as a brakeman on the Norfolk and Western Railroad. Fourteen hour road job from Toledo to Wooster, Ohio. We get there and spend the night. The next day we (the crew) walk out and the Yardmaster tells us our 200 car train is ready to go but he hasn’t had time to put the caboose on. He says we can wait or put it on ourselves. Since we have a 16 hour ICC work rule and time is of the essence the conductor tells me to put it on. I unhook the engine, the engineer goes down the side track, I find our caboose and we put it on. That took about 15 minutes maximum.

Two months later I go into the Marine Corps and when I come home for Christmas (excuse me - Cultural Awareness Season) my Dad hands me a check for $80 some dollars. A lot of money back then.

Turns out the conductor had filed a grievance that the crew (meaning just me and the engineer) had to do yard work and we all got a whole day’s (8 hours) yard pay in addition to our road pay that day.

Did I cash the check? Sure. For someone in the service making $90 a month I did.

The point is the UAW is still like than and probably worse.

By RealityKing

December 19, 2008 1:27 PM | Link to this

I’ve driven American my whole life in support of Detroit. That ends today…

By The Corporal

December 19, 2008 1:34 PM | Link to this

Headline

Gov. Rod Blagojevich scheduled a news conference today to make a statement to the media, his first public appearance since he was arrested last week on federal corruption charges.

As I predicted from day one, this case is far from a conviction. His attorney will challenge all of the wiretapping. This will not be a quick and easy case.

Bottom line: This case was shut down way too early. Those wires should still be up and running. The deal should have gone through. Someone was too scared to leave them up ………. and we all know why.

By Midori

December 19, 2008 1:36 PM | Link to this

WHY, Corporal.

Please enlighten us.

By Taxpayer

December 19, 2008 1:37 PM | Link to this

Unions have good and bad aspects — just like Republicans, for example. Unions offer a lot of time savings during pay and benefit negotiations with management. They also help to protect senior employees from unscrupulous leaders that would replace them right before retirement, etc. On the negative side, Unions do provide cover for some really sorry excuses for humans from time to time but there are times where even the Union cannot protect you. One example that comes to mind is when an employee calls in sick and then shows up on camera at a demonstration without his head dress. Someone recognized him and it did not take long for management to negotiate his termination with the Union representative. Anyway, to this day, there are good unions and bad unions, good management and bad, and there are good and bad people in unions as well as in non-union shops, etc.

By Hillbilly Deluxe

December 19, 2008 1:45 PM | Link to this

I’d lots rather my tax money go to try to help blue collar workers than for Hank Paulson’s blank check, no strings hand out to his Wall Street buddies. Reportedly in 2006 Paulson made $38 million as head of Goldman Sachs. (Now he talks about limiting CEO pay after his horse has left the barn.) We all know how well they’ve done. He is part of the problem not part of the solution.

By The Corporal

December 19, 2008 1:50 PM | Link to this

To Midori

Very simple. The longer those tapes run the more people could show up on them making incriminating statements about themselves or others right up to the top.

No one wanted to deal with even that remote possibility and what it maight entail just one month before the Inauguration.

By Taxpayer

December 19, 2008 1:52 PM | Link to this

Actually, Midori, this Blagojevich story all ties back into the fact that Obama is an alien. Ever since he was spotted giving that “Live long and prosper” greeting to a stranger, people have been growing more and more suspicious. They fear that Obama, like Spock, will be calculating and logical (except for that one time where the needs of the many outweighed the needs of the few) and that he will think through his options instead of reaching irrational conclusions based on looking into people’s souls….Little do some people realize how thankful they should be for having a Spock-like character taking over the helm. They could have had a modern-day Kirk just as easily and then where would we be.

By The Corporal

December 19, 2008 2:01 PM | Link to this

To Taxpayer

Correct! And that all could have been on tape.

Beam me up Aytch !!

By RealityKing

December 19, 2008 2:02 PM | Link to this

Only blind followers and morons believe Obama was completely in the dark about the re-appointment of his Senate seat..

By getalife

December 19, 2008 2:42 PM | Link to this

“A crumbling economy, more than 2 million constituents who have lost their jobs this year, and congressional demands of CEOs to work for free did not convince lawmakers to freeze their own pay.

Instead, they will get a $4,700 pay increase, amounting to an additional $2.5 million that taxpayers will spend on congressional salaries, and watchdog groups are not happy about it.”

Geez.

By Hmmmmm

December 19, 2008 2:59 PM | Link to this

A true tragedy to watch this ONCE great country fall into the great abyss. I guess all things must eventually come to an end….

By Hillbilly Deluxe

December 19, 2008 3:03 PM | Link to this

State and local tax breaks for foreign car plants:

Alabama Mercedes-Benz $253 million Honda $248 million Toyota $ 29 million

Tennessee VW $577 million Nissan $197 million

California Nissan $197 million

South Carolina BMW $150 million

Mississippi Nissan $363 million

Georgia KIA $415 million (estimated)

Not exactly, unrestricted private sector, free market capitalism.

By Uncle Fun

December 19, 2008 3:11 PM | Link to this

Truthman, I have not worked a forty hour workweek in years. I work about 70-80s a week. Unions in no way have done anything for me nor do I want them to. You see, I worked with a sprinkler fitting company about 8 years ago in the summer time. I was wanting to save money so I worked as an apprentice for the summer. So, I worked with union guys for about 4 months and let me tell you. LAZY! If they were not taking breaks every half hour they were going off and hiding from the foreman. They used me to do a lot of their work so that they could sneak out an hour early from work. It cost the company a lot of money and the owner had to come up there and bust some knees to get these redneck clowns to work. So don’t give me your version of what the union is because I have seen unions in action.

By Algonquin J. Calhoun

December 19, 2008 3:18 PM | Link to this

The united States automobile manufacturers must be saved! it would be nice if Americans would actually buy American made automobiles. I drive a Ford and it’s a better car than a Toyota, Honda, etc. The Republinazis hate the unions and have tried to crush each and every one they come across but the unions have helped Americans live better lives and they aren’t going away. Without the unions Nike, and other disgusting companies, could have sweatshops here and wouldn’t have to maintain them in India and China. As Woody Guthrie said, there’s strength in a union!

By Algonquin J. Calhoun

December 19, 2008 3:30 PM | Link to this

They probably had to kneecap you to get any work out of you Uncle Fun.

By Uncle Fun

December 19, 2008 3:38 PM | Link to this

Algonquin J. Calhoun, Ford is better than Toyota? And Honda? I don’t think you will find too many people who agree with you on that one. I mean, my last Honda had 260,000 miles when I traded it in on my new Honda. As for my kneecaps, only a moron such as yourself would want someone to have their kneecaps busted. You are nothing but a broken record. Nazi nazi nazi is all you ever call people. It must truly be sad living in your pathetic little world.

By The Snark

December 19, 2008 3:41 PM | Link to this

The Snark is no fan of President Bush, but you have to give him credit for his statement about having a responsibility to not leave the Detroit mess on the next President’s plate, and doing something to at least stabilize the situation for a couple of months.

Like Fareed Zakaria said, there is only one reason to help Detroit, and that is that it will be cheaper to prop them up in the short term than to add their dead weight to the recession right now.

I still like my Ford, though.

By GodHatesTrash

December 19, 2008 3:49 PM | Link to this

Uncle, why do you think there are so many Mexicans in Georgia?

Because you folks are lazy malingerers, with or without a union.

By Algonquin J. Calhoun

December 19, 2008 3:49 PM | Link to this

By Uncle Fun December 19, 2008 3:38 PM | Link to this Algonquin J. Calhoun, Ford is better than Toyota? And Honda? I don’t think you will find too many people who agree with you on that one. I mean, my last Honda had 260,000 miles when I traded it in on my new Honda. As for my kneecaps, only a moron such as yourself would want someone to have their kneecaps busted. You are nothing but a broken record. Nazi nazi nazi is all you ever call people. It must truly be sad living in your pathetic little world.

Mr. bookman, this poorly written attack is insulting and of a personal nature. This vacuous individual mentione bustin’ knees in the post I commented upon. Please administer the same sanctions you administered to me.

By Jethro

December 19, 2008 3:58 PM | Link to this

Ha! You all are funny. If he hadn’t helped, you’d be here griping accusing him of trying to bust the union. Bunch of hypocrites.

By Algonquin J. Calhoun

December 19, 2008 4:00 PM | Link to this

Uncle Fun, I don’t think you’re a nazi. I think you are a phony who pretends to love America but buys Japanese cars and does his shopping at Walmart. You’re not a person who has any beliefs of his own. Rather, you parrot the things you’ve heard said by those you look up to and who look down upon you as what you are, a hapless and hopeless dupe!

By Uncle Fun

December 19, 2008 4:00 PM | Link to this

Algonquin J. Calhoun, Are you out of your mind? When did I attack you? One, you said that the union probably had to bust my knee caps, two, you called republicans nazis. That’s all you ever call people. I’ve read many of your posts and they usually have some sort of insult. You sir need to get a life.

By Uncle Fun

December 19, 2008 4:08 PM | Link to this

Algonquin J. Calhoun, Your foolishness is showing. You don’t know ANYTHING about me. I buy Japanese cars because the Japanese have more respect for capitalism than our crappy car makers. They also make better cars that last longer. Hopeless dupe? Not hardly my misguided foe. Not only do you NOT know where I shop, but you also have no clue as to what I am all about. I guess since you don’t like the Japanese I could assume that you are a racist. Right?

By Algonquin J. Calhoun

December 19, 2008 4:38 PM | Link to this

Funny Uncle is probably how your extended family refers to you and I don’t mean ha ha funny. So, you turn your back on American automobiles because the Japanese have more respect for capitalism? You mean because the workers have no rights and are treated as equipment which is expendable? Make better cars? No, they don’t! This is fallacious and only dupes believe it. yes, you are a dupe! Not hardly? That, you illiterate bumpkin, indicates the accurateness of my statement. Unknowingly, you’ve personally admitted to knowing you’re a dupe. This is sadder than expected since most dupes do not have knowledge of their manipulated status. I am not a racist but I bet you are. As for Republinazi, you qualify there too. Save your wit, pitiful though it is, for the next Republinazi round-up!

By Pogo

December 19, 2008 4:45 PM | Link to this

Has anyone here every heard of “circling the drain”? That is a term medical people use for those that are lingering near certain death. The auto companies are circling the drain. What good is it going to do to give them taxpayer money when many of those same taxpayers cannot get the credit to buy their cars and probably wouldn’t even if they could? For the next few years, people are going to be more concerned with paying for stuff like food, electricity, water, clothes and a place to keep the rain off of them. They certainly aren’t going to rush out and buy a 30K automobile on credit just to support a bloated out of date industry. So, if people don’t buy the cars, the Big Three can’t make money. If they can’t make money, they are not going to survive. This viscious circle is going to have to end because there is no money left for the car makers or the banking industry or any other failing institution (Fanny, Freddie, etc. etc,). The sooner we face up to this, the sooner we will recover. These endless bailouts are only digging us deeper graves.

By Uncle Fun

December 19, 2008 5:01 PM | Link to this

Algonquin J. Calhoun, You are just full of nonsense. Not only are you dead wrong on unions but you are also dead wrong on my blog name. I found a bar, that has a lot of good bands play there, called Uncle Fun. ANYWAY, nice try. And I never turned anything against US automakers. The fact is that I want a good car and since this is a free country I chose to buy a car that lasts long and one that won’t die on my with less than 100,000 miles on it. Get it? You have some serious issues to deal with and I’d advise you to seek medical help.

By The Corporal

December 19, 2008 5:01 PM | Link to this

Midori

Did I answer your question at 1:50?

If not, get back to me.

By Algonquin J. Calhoun

December 19, 2008 5:11 PM | Link to this

Funny Uncle, the American cars are fully as good, if not better, than cars from anywhere else in the world. You claim to be a patriot but you’ve never served anything but breakfast and you’re so sorry you won’t even entertain the idea of looking at American automobiles. the reason you give is the Japanese have a better form of capitalism. Good excuse! Hardly. That translates into male bovine feces. You show me your medical license before you start diagnosing me you imbecilic dwarf. That may play real big at the Boy Scout jamboree but it won’t work with me!

By Uncle Fun

December 19, 2008 5:18 PM | Link to this

Algonquin J. Calhoun, You are a pathological liar! I never claimed ANYTHING. I used to own Chevys and Fords. CRAP. My Cavalier was in the shop all the time. I got rid of it and bought a Honda Civic. It never gave me any trouble. And how do you know I never served? YOU DON’T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ME! I never said the Japanese had a better form of capitalism. CAN YOU NOT READ? I said they seem to respect capitalism more than our own car companies. They actually make money. Do you understand ENGLISH? And yes, you do have serious comprehension issues because you can not seem to interpret simple English. You’ve tried to twist my words around without reading anything. It’s a good thing you are not a lawyer, doctor or any other important person because your clients would be in serious trouble. Seek medical help!

By Hillbilly Deluxe

December 19, 2008 5:21 PM | Link to this

After spending many years in the auto repair business, I found that the owner of the car had a much greater effect on car longevity than the make did. The people who cried about lemons usually had problems over and over no matter what kind of car they drove.

By the way if the Big 3 don’t make anything people want to buy why are Ford F-series trucks the best sellers in the country?

By Uncle Fun

December 19, 2008 5:25 PM | Link to this

Hillbilly Deluxe, Why can’t the Big 3 make a profit? If the Ford F-series is the best selling vehicle in the country then why is Ford trying to feed at the government trough? I don’t see the Japanese asking for handouts.

By Hillbilly Deluxe

December 19, 2008 5:45 PM | Link to this

The foreign car makers aren’t selling cars right now either. They do get state and local tax breaks for building plants here. Isn’t that a handout? In my view it is. Japanese gov’t has long supported the Japanese auto industry. Just a couple nights ago I saw where the German gov’t is probably gonna loan money to Opal and Sweden is going to aid Saab and Volvo. This is a world wide problem not just here. I won’t argue the Big 3 haven’t been mismanaged. I wouldn’t have a problem with management heads rolling in exchange for aid. I also think that in exchange for this aid the cars should have to be built here. The worse scenerio from the aid is that they take the money and then outsource the production. I just don’t think we should throw the baby out with the bath water. We need to preserve what little is left of our manufacturing base. Remember it was our manufacturing capacity that won WWII. Hopefully that will never happen again but history has a way of repeating itself. At the time WWI was referred to as “the War to End All Wars”. That proved to be wrong.

By Bj

December 19, 2008 6:29 PM | Link to this

W had one last chance to do something “conservative” and not surprisingly, he blew it. Could have brought one of the Republicans biggest enemies to their knees (at least for a few weeks) and once again his ‘nads failed him. Good bye, good riddance.

By yankee

December 19, 2008 6:34 PM | Link to this

Support Georgia, buy a Kia.

By catlady

December 19, 2008 8:27 PM | Link to this

Phrases I am sick of: “too big to fail” and “under ordinary circumstances”. They have been repeated too many times in the last 8 or 9 months by our president and Congressional leaders.

Phrases I would like to hear: “they made these decisions, and now they will live with the consequences for them” and “no longer will we turn to the taxpayers to bail (this group) out” and “Iraq will now succeed or fail on the shoulders of its own people.”

By Algonquin J. Calhoun

December 19, 2008 8:38 PM | Link to this

Funny Uncle, i do know some things about you. You’re very patriotic-to the Japanese. You like their capitalistic inclinations and, as an admirer of the Land of the Rising Sun, you contribute to their economy and turn your back on the land that spawned your moronic rear end. I also know you’ve never served this country in any capacity. You’ve asked not what you can do for your country but rather, what your country can do for you. I know that like Cheney and George W. Hitler, you wave the flag and tal about supporting our troops but you’ve never been a troop yourself. I know that you feel inadequate and you are! Unlike you, I am qualified to make a diagnosis. So, keep being the funny uncle the relatives want to keep away from their children and get some help dogbreath!

By Algonquin J. Calhoun

December 19, 2008 8:48 PM | Link to this

Hillbilly, I agree with everything you said. Nobody in this world is harder working than the American worker. Some hate the unions because they insist on safe working conditions and decent pay for their membership. People who buy cars made elsewhere and shop at Walmart are not patriots of this nation. They are supporting other economies and, in the case of Walmart, funding slave labor in other nations. It’s wrong and shameful!

By Uncle Fun

December 19, 2008 9:32 PM | Link to this

Algonquin J. Calhoun, You’re a tool who seriously needs to seek help. To say I am more for the Japanese than the US is ridiculous. I’m sure most of your clothing was made in China. When American car companies make better cars I will buy one. I’m sure Jay Bookman drives a foreign car or two. I’m sure a lot of people do. Unions are outdated and therefore must go. Since my Honda was made here in the states I guess I support America, right? YEP! You should go back to your trailer park and contemplate what to do about your pregnant sister that you knocked up. MORON.

By Algonquin J. Calhoun

December 19, 2008 9:43 PM | Link to this

Funny uncle, your IQ is in the imbecilic range. A moron has an IQ of 56-71, while an imbecile has one of between 26 and 50. I would estimate yours at around 40. American car companies are making good automobiles right now, so hurry out and get one. My clothing is made right here in the USA. i don’t buy Chinese products as long as there is something else available. What jay Bookman drives is no concern of mine and how do you know what he drives? Started stalking adults too? Unions will never be outdated as long as there are scumbag companies, such as Walmart, that take advantage of employees and work them like dogs for little pay and no benefits. Buying a Honda in no way supports the united States and you either know that or should. Your limited intelligence aside, even most idiots know that. And b***, tell yo momma i pick her up at ten!

By Uncle Fun

December 20, 2008 10:21 AM | Link to this

Algonquin J. Calhoun, My IQ is around 130. I took an IQ test about a year ago. Besides, how else would I have gone to grad school? Your logic is that of a caveman. I’m pretty sure you DO buy Chinese made products because your KMART clothing comes from China. MORON. As for my mom, nice, your humor is that of child. If unions will never be outdated then how come the entire country hates them? How is it that union membership has dropped 6% in the past two years?

By CommunistAJC

December 20, 2008 10:25 AM | Link to this

Algonquin J. Calhoun, From reading your posts I’d say your IQ is around 5. Since when did it become a sin to buy a foreign automobile made in the US? The last time I checked we still had the freedom to buy whatever kind of car we Americans wanted to. I’d buy an American car if it wasn’t a piece of crap hand made by whining little union dwarfs crying for more and more money. I just read Uncle Fun’s post about what kind of car Jay Bookman drives. I’d say its safe to say that Bookman drives a BMW or a Lexus. Until he says otherwise I’ll assume he drives a foreign car because most libs do indeed drive foreign cars. WHY? Because it makes them that more snobbish towards America.

By Algonquin J. Calhoun

December 20, 2008 1:19 PM | Link to this

Commiesalami, as usual you’ve engaged in contradictions that illustrate your schizophrenia. You say you’d buy an American car and that indicates that you do not presently own one. You go on to say that most liberals drive foreign made automobiles. Now, by inference, it is easy to deduce that you own a foreign made automobile and, thus,are probably a liberal. Do you feel snobbish toward America? In keeping with the “liberal” appellation, you are probably a closeted gay who feels revulsion at his own true identity and feels the need to heap derision upon those he perceives as better than himself. it’s obvious you are a confused individual. Your posts indicate a high level of self-loathing and latent sexual identity problems. Take Funny Uncle with you when you see the psychiatrist.

By Algonquin J. Calhoun

December 20, 2008 1:35 PM | Link to this

Funny Uncle, I know, just from reading your posts, that your IQ is significantly lower than you assert. You say you went to graduate school and i doubt that. I completed graduate school and someone of your limited ability could not possibly have completed a rigorous course of study. As for my clothing, it’s made in America. I buy American made products whenever possible. That’s part of being a patriot. Support your fellow American and hope they will support you. The entire country does not hate unions! Unions have made this nation a much better country. People like you don’t like them because they involve groups of allied workers coming together to obtain benefits for all the membership. Republinazis, such as yourself, get hung up on the socialism aspect. As for your moms, I love the old hag b***!

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