Jay Bookman

By ByteMe

December 12, 2008 4:15 PM | Link to this

And violating the law yet again?

By "The Corporal"

December 12, 2008 4:28 PM | Link to this

And don’t forget Jay, the Attorney General I am sure was briefing President Bush everyday on the Senate Seat Sale debacle.

That arrest of the Gov. was made way too soon.

I’m betting pressure (or even an order) came down from on high to shut that taping down before (I saw before) the President Elect possibly (I say possibly) committed an unethical, impeachable or indictable offense. He (Bush) just didn’t want to deal with what that would entail.

You liberals really do owe President Bush a lot…..maybe even your next President.

By Dusty

December 12, 2008 4:32 PM | Link to this

No, Bookman, you got it wrong.

President Bush is doing what he thinks is best for the country. That is what he is supposed to do.

He is NOT violating any law.

Read Perino’s words again without prejudice. She explained it quite clearly.

By FrankLeeDarling

December 12, 2008 4:34 PM | Link to this

Wow,Corporal your fantasies are really escalating.

By Kent

December 12, 2008 4:36 PM | Link to this

The UAW won’t even help themselves or the BIG 3 that employs them. Why should Bob Corker or the rest of the country take it in the rear for decades of mismanagement enjoyed by GM, Ford and Chysler? Let them fail.

By Kent

December 12, 2008 4:37 PM | Link to this

The UAW won’t even help themselves or the BIG 3 that employs them. Why should Bob Corker or the rest of the country take it in the rear for decades of mismanagement enjoyed by GM, Ford and Chysler? Let them fail. They’re not owed a thing.

By ByteMe

December 12, 2008 4:41 PM | Link to this

So Dusty votes FOR socialism.

And, yes, to take money that is specifically written in the TARP law to go to purchase failing financial assets of banks and somehow make that a credit line for car companies is definitely stealing and against the law.

Of course, Congress doesn’t have the backbone to call him on it.

By Taxpayer

December 12, 2008 4:53 PM | Link to this

ByteMe,

You may be underestimating the ability of this administration to weasel word and interpret documents any way it needs to. They’re good, really good, at that sort of thing.

By AJC/DNC Management

December 12, 2008 5:10 PM | Link to this

In the process, they pretty much alienate a good chunk of the industrial Midwest, further damaging the party’s standing in that region.

Well, actually-

The CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey found that 61 percent are against the loans, while 36 percent support them. The poll also found 53 percent who said they don’t believe that aiding the automakers would help the broader economy.

I think you libs just might be too &8793ed stupid to see that Bushie is trying to spend all of the money in the Treasury so that you won’t have it to fund your perverted ideas.

And your helping him.

By getalife

December 12, 2008 5:12 PM | Link to this

Of course, the gop want to remain in the minority and attack American workers in a union.

The only reason w might bail them out is because he does not want to suk like Hoover but he already does.

Another million jobs lost does not concern the wingnuts. Only Americans working for a decent wage makes them spew besause the Dems win with the unions.

By Swami Dave

December 12, 2008 5:12 PM | Link to this

Personally, this is getting asinine! It is difficult to control the frustration watching this sideshow.

The Democrats could have passed the bill in the Senate on their own. It failed the procedural 60 vote threshhold to prevent a filibuster 52-35 (8 votes short). Baucus, Lincoln, Reid, and Tester voted against it and Biden, Kennedy, Kerry, and Wyden did not vote. With the 10 Republicans & 2 Independents who voted for it, it could have passed in the Senate.

If Reid & the rest of his fellow Democrats that voted no or “present” truly supported passage (as he claimed), why didn’t they pass it? Was it simply to provide the political theatre allowing them to blame Republicans for its failure?

Then, after the Senate Republicans took their stand on principle (specifically stopping these insane money dumps into businesses with failed organizations and models that refuse to fix them, but want taxpayer money to continue pouring good money after bad), the Bush Administration folds and prepares to give the money away anyway.

So yeah, Jay, I guess you’ve got it right. Senate Republicans (and their House counterparts) took the right (if unpopular) stand, invested their political capital, and took an action based on their principles only to be underminded and stabbed in the back by the White House.

This is one I simply don’t get.

-Swami Dave

By getalife

December 12, 2008 5:22 PM | Link to this

Funny, how the gop gave Paulson a free check with no strings for Wall Street but when it comes to the American worker, they have to jump thru hoops.

Their argument is just pitiful.

By AJC/DNC Management

December 12, 2008 5:32 PM | Link to this

al-Gitmo: The unions are how we got to this situation in the first place, let them suck up some of the pain.

And it damn sure didn’t help their cause having a lib media whining that their cars suck and nobody wants to buy them, a total bunch of bullcrap.

Where’s your boy Obama at? Shouldn’t he be workkking his magic and smoke on this deal? Covering his as-s, is he? Laying low after being caught trying to buy his senate seat back?

Just another criminal with a better speech.

By Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

December 12, 2008 5:36 PM | Link to this

Jay, Jay, Jay, now there you go again. When PEOTUS nominates a cabinet member who is not as liberal as had been expected you practically spunk all over yourself in glee that such a great man would act is so bipartisan a fashion. Yet when POTUS acts in a manner that he believes to be in the nation’s best interest which is diametrically opposed to the wishes of his party’s most ideological members, the scoundrel “keeecaps” his own. I hate to say it, but you really need to look inside your soul and figure out what’s wrong.

By getalife

December 12, 2008 5:38 PM | Link to this

Not to worry Andy.

w does not want to be a Hoover.

He is working on his legacy ya know.

Looks like the Dems will get that TARP money like they wanted.

Better socialism than the bank socialism but still socialism started under w.

By AJC/DNC Management

December 12, 2008 5:40 PM | Link to this

Isn’t it funny though, the unions deliver up all their votes to the rat b******* democrats every year and the democrats won’t even stick their necks out for the jobs of their voters.

Karma.

They would rather slink around the Senate, blame it on the Republicans so that their sycophants in the media can take cheap political shots at them.

You get what you vote for.

By The Corporal

December 12, 2008 5:51 PM | Link to this

FrankLeeDarling

Tell me why the arrest was made when it was. No need to drag a sitting Gov. out of the executive mansion at 6am. Let the tapes roll, conclude the deal (great for jury appeal) and then indict. Something or someone rushed this !!!

By getalife

December 12, 2008 6:07 PM | Link to this

Again, take off your tin foil hat private.

The rush was the tainted Senate seat and was stopped before he pulled the trigger.

By JAY BOOKMAN

December 12, 2008 6:16 PM | Link to this

Corporal, the U.S. attorney addressed that question head on in his press conference. Not that actual evidence would ever dissuade you from your theories, but here you go anyway:

“QUESTION: Mr. Fitzgerald, was this done today in an effort to head off the appointment of someone to fill Barack Obama’s Senate seat? Was it — was it so imminent that that’s why you had to step in?

MR. FITZGERALD: I would say that we decided that this required unusual measures and there are a lot of things going on that were imminent. There’s a bill sitting on a desk that we think a person who was supporting that bill has been squeezed to give $100,000. And to let that bill be signed, to me, would be very, very troubling.

There’s a hospital — a children’s memorial hospital — believing that it’s getting $8 million, but its CEO has not coughed up a campaign contribution, and the thought that that money may get pulled back from a children’s memorial hospital is something that you cannot abide. There is an editor that they’d like fired from the Tribune, and I laid awake at night, worried whether I’d read in the paper in the morning that when there were lay-offs, that we’d find out that that person was laid off.

The complaint — the complaint lays out, in there in fact, when there were layoffs, there were conversations to find out whether the editor who should of — they thought should be fired, and he wasn’t. And the governor was asking whether there would be more layoffs. So we have a governor in this modern times, the only one who’s looking for more layoffs. You take that, what’s going on and add it to the fact that we have a Senate seat that seemed to be, as recently as days ago, auctioned off to, you know, to the highest bidder for campaign contributions. And Governor Blagojevich, own words, on the — on the tape or the bug that set forth in the complaint, talked about selling this like a sports agent.”

By getalife

December 12, 2008 6:22 PM | Link to this

Here is another conspiracy theory debunked:

“EMANUEL ‘NOT TARGET OF ILLINOIS PROBE’”

By AJC/DNC Management

December 12, 2008 6:33 PM | Link to this

So Axelrod it is.

By Bud Wiser

December 12, 2008 6:34 PM | Link to this

So what’s the big deal about selling a Senate seat? The US Senate is a gigantic, money-sucking/money-throwing (take your pick) enterprise anyhow, incapable of doing anything. Any garden/garbage (take your pick) variety Democrat would fill the role enough to be as qualified as these circus clowns, led by the nose by Dancing Harry Reid, as incompetent a person that has ever been to Washington.

And what about New York? Kinda mum about what’s happening there unless Caroline (my father was an assassinated President, and my brother was a cutesy magazine boy and a rather poor pilot,that’s my qualifications!) Kennedy already has this wrapped up.

I still nominate Lincoln Kennedy for either position, but that guy has to hit Weight Watchers pretty hard or he won’t make it. Hell, he even has said as much: Once, not long after the death of John F. Kennedy Jr., Kennedy made the remark on ESPN SportsCenter that, “My name’s Lincoln Kennedy, I ain’t got a chance.”

By Bud Wiser

December 12, 2008 6:41 PM | Link to this

WASHINGTON – President-elect Barack Obama is refusing to answer any questions about the internal review he has ordered into Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich’s alleged efforts to sell his former Senate seat, saying he will do so when the examination is finished.

Obama’s staff has declined to respond to even basic questions, like who is conducting the probe, how long it will take, what issues are being explored and whether they are working with federal investigators. Obama has promised transparency throughout his service and to divulge contacts his staff has had with Blagojevich’s office in the coming days. But his staff has locked down on inquiries in the meantime.

So this is the Change You Can Believe In?

hahahahahahahahaha

By Bud Wiser

December 12, 2008 6:46 PM | Link to this

Apparently Jesse Jackson Sr has not taught Junior the proper techniques for a good financial windfall that can be generated by a proper shakedown.

By Taxpayer

December 12, 2008 7:04 PM | Link to this

It’s actually kind of sad to watch the Republican party slowly fall apart like this. It’s like a rag-tag fugitive fleet of dysfunctional splinter groups clinging on to a name while hoping that a leader will emerge to guide them in their search for a place that they can call home.

By GayGrayGeek

December 12, 2008 7:18 PM | Link to this

The Corporal’s tin hat seems to have been upgraded to pure brass, given the bad reception he’s obviously getting thru it…

By RW-(the original)

December 12, 2008 7:30 PM | Link to this

Swami Dave,

I think you would find that Harry Reid’s “no” vote was for procedural reasons. If the majority leader stays with a “yes” vote on a failing cloture motion he loses the right to bring it back for another vote.

By AJC/DNC Management

December 12, 2008 7:56 PM | Link to this

By Taxpayer December 12, 2008 7:04 PM It’s actually kind of sad to watch the Republican party slowly fall apart like this.

Taxpayer: I know you dull liberals are a little slow and think that history started new with your special little existence, for example, you are the first humans to ever experience a warming cycle of the Earth, so, of course, just like the hairy moron savages before you, you sacrifice yourself on the green altar for absolutely no reason, etc, etc, but this isn’t the first time that Republicans have lost an election.

But yet, we always come back.

However, I do believe this is Oblahmi is going to be the quickest a democrat has ever fallen out of favor.

That may be a new one for you.

By Midori

December 12, 2008 7:57 PM | Link to this

Not that actual evidence would ever dissuade you from your theories, but here you go anyway

I keep telling you all that guy is insane.

By getalife

December 12, 2008 7:57 PM | Link to this

Here is another conspiracy theory:

“Sure, Governor Blago might have always been a hoodlum numbskull but how else to explain super lawyer Marc Dreier suddenly gambling an insanely lucrative legitimate career to try to con hedge funds out of as much as $380 million? And just yesterday seventy-year-old Wall Street legend Bernard L. Madoff stands accused of one of the most egregious white collar crimes in history — bilking his investors of as much as $50 billion.

Do they know something we don’t know? It’s as if the risk of getting caught was outweighed by their panicked desire to get as much as they could before it’s all gone.”

Or it could be simple greed.

By david wayne osedach, san diego/ U.S.A.

December 12, 2008 7:58 PM | Link to this

Last month President Bush was against bailing out the Big Three. Now he’s for it. Is he acting responsibly in the waning days of his presidency?

Or does he wish to secure his position of the worst U.S, President (ever) hands down?

By Taxpayer

December 12, 2008 8:07 PM | Link to this

I suppose the Senate Republicans had to stand together and “show” America that united filibuster that they promoted during the election and how they can use it to keep those mean old Democrats in check. The only problem with that stance is when their Republican President chides them for not voting for the auto maker bailout. Now, if the Republicans in the Senate were doing their grandstanding with Obama in the driver’s seat, it would not look so utterly ridiculous. These Republicans really need to get their stories straight.

By Chad Harris

December 12, 2008 8:38 PM | Link to this

Good news in the inevitable march towards 59.

Good News Story #1: Both the Minnesota Independent and The UpTake report that the 133 Minneapolis ballots from the U of M precinct that were machine-counted on November 4 but went missing during the recount will in fact be included in the recount. As that part of Minneapolis is heavily Democratic, these ballots will favor Franken.

Good News Story #2: The state canvassing board, after much prodding from Secretary of State Mark Ritchie, recommended that “allegedly” wrongly-rejected absentee ballots should be reviewed and counted by the various county elections boards. As Ritchie noted at today’s meeting, 49 of Minnesota’s 87 counties have completed their work, three have completed but not yet reported their results, and 23 counties will start the work today.

It’s going to take a couple more weeks to render this official, but it’s looking good for Franken.

A big shoutout to the a***** who has flown this country into the s**. Leaving two kids left behind, the lameduck idiot Bushes refuse to turn over Blair House to the Obamas in January as has been tradition for years. Maybe lil Bushie wants to play two more weeks of “Toga Toga” in it while he mires the country into a depression.

Bud Weiser—

A few points on your typically off point efforts to get nowhere using Blago’s complaint.

1) If you think you and your Wingnuts have Obama or Emanuel in a corner your delusional. In a couple days there will be an unprecedented release of specific information.

Your party clusterfucked the country and Obam’s finishing the investigation as to any contacts that were improper. There were obviously contacts between Val Jarrett and Emanuel over the Senate seat. That’s normal. What you’d have to have are illegal contacts and there aren’t any.

Pat Fitz has all the time he wants after the 18 days he has either to bring an indictment (which he will) or hold a probable cause hearing which he won’t because no AUSA in their right mind wants to give a huge discovery free card of a preliminary hearing in a federal criminal case so Fitz is not dumb enough to force himself into a probable cause hearing.

Beating your pud for criminality in the Obama camp in connection with Blago’s pending indictment is right up there with the Wingnuts at Fox hoping for success in disqualifying Obama due to fiction about his birth.

Keep on wasting your time. It’s what people do when they can’t get their candidate elected using substantive issues that people will vote for.

Meanwhile yet another Abramoff j******* associate pleaded guilty today to giving two free trips and tickets to the Word Series, drinks and lap dances to Senator Kit Bond’s aide.

Like all Rethug gutless wonders when they are pinched by the feds, Hirni is singing like a canary. One thing Rethugs do well is snitch when faced with being someone’s b***.

By AJC/DNC Management

December 12, 2008 8:47 PM | Link to this

Meanwhile, late today a spokesperson for Emanuel confirmed in an email that an Associated Press story saying that he is not a target of the investigation is “accurate.” Questions remain, however, over his contacts with Blagojevich and his staff, and Emanuel has still not said whether or not he’s been contacted by the FBI for questioning.

Welp, Rhamen is back in the frying pan again.

Nice try though.

By Chad Harris

December 12, 2008 9:02 PM | Link to this

The dems, often gutless in Congress weren’t serious about the idiot bailout and hemorrhaging of our money to the Michigan auto companies. They should have been buried a long time ago and clueless Levin, Stabenow, Gettlefinger, Granholm, and the idiot Dingells should have been thrown out of their jobs.

The Dems want Bush to use his funds to bail out these idiot companies.

Corporal—your job “in federal law enforcement” which you clearly don’t have a scintilla of insight into must have been as some BOP hack. Right? Why don’t you tell us precisely what you allege you did in fed. law enforcement for 30 years. Were you one of those inert grunts who stand at some checkpoint in the Russell Bldg. or the Eleventh Circuit running the metal detector perhaps? Were you a janitor in a federal building.

And your federal medical benefits should qualify you to obtain the right blood level of a neurlileptic to stop these delusions you keep sharing.

Obama has no culpability nor does Axlerod nor does Emmanuel or anyone else in the Obama camp, administration, or transition team. It is perfectly appropriate for a former Senator who is going to be President and the other Senator to keep in touch with Blago and to espress their preference to replace Obama in the Senate.

You’d really have to be nuts to entertain that Obama was pay for playing with Blago. He’s had nothing to do with any alleged auctioning off of a Senate seat. He’s had no impact on Fitz. Impact on Fitz was tried several times in his convicting of the scum bag weasle Scootsie Libby—your kind of man. It went nowhere.

Fitz made the difficult decision to go forward in this case. He didn’t have the timetable to do the methodical meticulous investigation that he did in putting Gov. Ryan in the slam. Fitz may already have plans to leave of his own volition. Obama and Durbin already let him know he can stay USA in the ND Illionis as long as he likes.

Fitz didn’t wait for the grand jury to finish because he didn’t want Blago to make an appointment and Illinois should have representation in the Senate when the 111th Congress is sworn in on Jan. 3 which is not that far away.

I can’t imagine he’s going to make the dumb mistake of holding a preliminary hearing. He’ll get an indictment done within the next couple weeks.

By AJC/DNC Management

December 12, 2008 9:05 PM | Link to this

The Star-Tribune currently pegs Coleman’s lead at 192 votes, including the so-called 133 missing ballots.

You got a long way to go.

I’m sure you’ll keep breaking the law and scheming until you get there.

That’s how they do it in the third world, ain’t it?

By Glenn

December 12, 2008 9:10 PM | Link to this

You got that right, Tom. All these false Repug warriors. Pitiful.

By Chad Harris

December 12, 2008 9:15 PM | Link to this

AJC—

After the argument over the challenged ballots and the never-ending cascade of missing ballots>litigation.

And per Minnesota law, after litigation the United States Senate makes the final decision. I may not have been a math major but I can figure out what happens when 58 votes against 41. Can you?

This will be taking place in DC—which in many respects has resembled the third world the last eight years.

Meanwhile the federal investigation of Coleman’s Coleman’s ties to businessman Nasser Kazeminy: conducted by the FBI has picked up steam. It’s not deterred by the election which is over.

Houston is where the first of two lawsuits was filed alleging Nasser Kazeminy, a Bloomington financier, tried to steer $100,000 to Coleman via his wife’s Minneapolis employer. The second suit, filed in Delaware, alleges Kazeminy initially tried to get money directly to the senator.

I don’t expect this investigation to result in any serious criminal liability for Coleman though.

By TW

December 12, 2008 9:18 PM | Link to this

And just to make sure the message got through, it basically called the GOP senators irresponsible.

The thanks they get for carrying the moron’s water for eight years.

Wassamatter - don’t ya support American industy??????????????????

Toss up - did ‘w’ screw the GOP harder than he did America in general?

hmmm…tough one…

By AJC/DNC Management

December 12, 2008 9:21 PM | Link to this

By Chad Harris December 12, 2008 9:15 PM I may not have been a math major but I can figure out what happens when 58 votes against 41. Can you?

Yeah, a filibuster.

Karma.

By Mrs.Godzilla

December 12, 2008 9:25 PM | Link to this

I repeat.

There are some in the fringe of the right who think a depression is just what this nation needs.

Delightful bunch.

By Chad Harris

December 12, 2008 9:27 PM | Link to this

And so, after millons of dollars spent with hundreds of witnesses never even called by Howard, and idiots in the Jaw Jaw legislature trying to wreck the defender system,who don’t understand Ruth Ginsberg and her law clerk’s opinion in Alabama v. Shelton, 535 U.S. 654 the resources of the FBI, the feds, and the Fulton DAs office failed in putting the needle in Nichols’ arm tonight.

Jim Bodiford, a judge from a non-accredited law school at the time of his graduation, who cannot practice law in any state but Georgia, was forced to declair a hung jury and tomorrow will be forced to sentence Nichols to life with or without parole and I see parole as a possibility right up there along with the odds of the moron Sarah Palin ever holding office outside Alaska.

By Swami Dave

December 12, 2008 9:32 PM | Link to this

RW

Regardless, if the 8 Senate Democrats (4 who voted no / 4 who didn’t even vote on the bill) had supported this bill, they would have gotten 60 votes to invoke cloture and bring the bill to a vote for passage. It would be as credible for reports of this cloture vote to highlight Senator Reid’s failure to lead the Senate (or even his own caucus) than any Republican “success” in blocking it.

Chad Harris Leaving two kids left behind, the lameduck idiot Bushes refuse to turn over Blair House to the Obamas in January as has been tradition for years. Maybe lil Bushie wants to play two more weeks of “Toga Toga” in it while he mires the country into a depression.

Actually, tradition dictates that the President-Elect & his family move into Blair House on January 15 in preparation for the Inaugration; a tradition which will be continued for Obama & his family. The break of protocol and tradition was ACTUALLY from Obama’s request to move into Blair House on January 2nd (almost two weeks early). His request for special treatment was respectfully refused in support of traditional procedure.

I’m happy to correct your misunderstanding with fact.

-Swami Dave

By Chad Harris

December 12, 2008 9:43 PM | Link to this

AJC you were incomplete. You should have had plenty of experience during the last eight years with Rule 22. And this vote would not be a vote for a rule change requiring 3/5.

This would require a 2/3 rule, which means 58 votes, since there are 99 potential voters because the vote is about the missing Minessota Senator, and I don’t see Leiberman voting against Al Franken and for Coleman here—not if he wants to continue to keep his seat on Homeland Security after already being given a second life there.

By GayGrayGeek

December 12, 2008 9:44 PM | Link to this

Swami Dave, you do realize that the “special treatment” was so Obama’s two daughters could begin school at the beginning of the post-holiday term, don’t you? That this is the President-Elect who’s a concerned-enough parent to try to ease what’s GOT to be an incredibly difficult move and transition for his kids, right?

By Chad Harris

December 12, 2008 9:53 PM | Link to this

AJC fillibuster may be a viable option rethinking the math, but you’d have to assume that all Republican Senators would stay in the tent and while they probably would, the fillibuster wouldn’t be allowed to hold up the Senate forever, and with the strong majority of Dems I don’t see the ghugs prevailing in any “compromise” solution.

The courts have no authority to overrule the Senate at this point. This comes from Scalia’s opinion in Morgan v. US in the D.C. Circuit.

By Frederick Douglass

December 12, 2008 10:03 PM | Link to this

Blair House probably holds fond memories for Dubya. Isn’t that where Daddy Bush was caught with his mistress, Jennifer Fitzgerald?

By AJC/DNC Management

December 12, 2008 10:07 PM | Link to this

By Chad Harris December 12, 2008 9:43 PM This would require a 2/3 rule, which means 58 votes, since there are 99 potential voters because the vote is about the missing Minessota Senator

Problem is, Illinois will not be seating a second Senator for, oh, I don’t know, maybe six months or so.

The “process” has been, uh, severely compromised, if you will.

The only way to legitimize this selection, and I’m just guessing that the democrats even care about ethics anymore, would be to run a special election.

Or they could just let Jesse Jackson make the pick and have the pinko media fawn over it, that would be so………..typical.

Until then, we got the numbers.

bwa

By GayGrayGeek

December 12, 2008 10:09 PM | Link to this

Now, now, Chad - Play Fair…using the Wingnuts’ All-Time Favorite Supe Justice as the source of your precedent is Just Being Mean to ‘em…

By Dusty

December 12, 2008 10:11 PM | Link to this

What tripe from so many people including Bookman.

I guess none of you ever heard of an ethical man.

It seems that you cannot conceive of the idea that a President might do what he thinks is best for the country no matter his political party.

That’s it. Country over party.

If the President is wrong in some of his decisions, it is not a failure from lack of trying.

There has never been a perfect President because they are human just like the rest of us. The next one won’t be perfect either. And certainly, not one of you complainers could do any better. And…not one of you sitting here posting away on a computer is hungry, cold or broke. You’re just complaining.

Do something for the country. Shut up!!

By Midori

December 12, 2008 10:14 PM | Link to this

Just once I’d like to see you take your own advice: Do something for the country. Shut up!!

By Dusty

December 12, 2008 10:21 PM | Link to this

Thank you, Midori. Your originality is impressive. I hope you live long enough to have an idea of your own.

By Midori

December 12, 2008 10:24 PM | Link to this

you’re very welcome Dusty.

you have a habit of blasting your way on to this blog, trying to shout everyone down or bully them into submission.

I’m not afraid of you.

again, you need to take your own advice: shut up!!!

By Dusty

December 12, 2008 10:32 PM | Link to this

Dear Midori,

If I had know you were the security guard for this blog I would never have interfered. I thought Bookman ran this place.

But please, no more repetition. You have already copied my words once. Twice is too much. Are you going for a third?

By GaLiberal

December 12, 2008 11:07 PM | Link to this

Kent @4:36 PM said: The UAW won’t even help themselves or the BIG 3 that employs them.

Kent, you poor ignorant Rethuglicon buttlicker. It’s too bad you didn’t bother to research your facts, but then Rethuglicons never let that stop them from telling a good lie. You see, the UAW did take consessions to help out the auto makers. Beginning in 2010, they will take over the health benefits from the companies. They also took wage cuts and reduced retirement benefits. The anti-union Rethuglicons in Congress what to stick it to the unions. They want to bust them so people are at the mercy of the companies. Like slavery. These Rethuglicons will obstruct and impead anything that resembles progress because all they want is to roll back the clock to the ’40s. The 1840s that is.

When you vote Rethuglicon, you vote against your own best interests. And Kent is living proof.

By GiveMeMore

December 12, 2008 11:20 PM | Link to this

Let the irresponsible ‘Big’ (if someone else props them up) 3 die of natural causes. Good job Senate. Now, Bush wants to tear up the much needed DNR order. Bad decision President Bush. They will use our money like crack.

By getalife

December 12, 2008 11:28 PM | Link to this

Some crazy stuff is going on.

If this guy is right, we are screwed

Geez.

By Kenneth S. Alcorn

December 12, 2008 11:30 PM | Link to this

Give them the $$ if it saves the taxpayer $$ in the long run.

however, there must be stipulations to abide by should they agree.

dat’s the problemo

By Man48312

December 12, 2008 11:53 PM | Link to this

People are focusing on UAW. They are A SMALL part of overall picture. Yes they are most vocal, but they still are small part. I am laid off Automotive Electrical Engineer living in Michigan. I have been laid off 4 times in 6 years. Most are short term jobs that you take, because you need a job. I am not like UAW and get 90% of my pay, and that is about 90% of people COUNTING on Automakers for jobs. During these last 6 years I have lost about $15,000 a year on my salary and cost of living is going up. I wonder if anyone is Congress has ever had that happen to them?
My sister in law lost her management position when her women’s fashion store closed up due to auto plant reducing there shifts from 3 to 1 shift. (she is now in different store and down to 32 hours a week and thinks it is VERY possible she will lose her assistant manager job, unless things turn around QUICK.) The restaurant next door to her old store closed as well. This was three years ago and BOTH still vacant, if anyone is interested it opening a store. I would image place is CHEAP.

i think Congress needs to get with the real world and not give 700 Million (or is it Billion) NO QUESTION ASKED. They rake then US Automakers hundreds of questions and ask for business plan for a LOAN!!! Again it has A LOT more to do with just the UAW and Manufacturing jobs. A lot of things are going to be affected. The hotel around the plant will close (who do you think stays in hotels M - F? (Business people.) Who do you think eat in a lot of restaurant M - Thur? I wonder how many people who thought goverment should NOT help out Big 3 would actually lose there jobs if Big three folded? I would imagine anyone who lives within 35 miles of a plant or HQ of a Automotive Supplier that folds, would lose another 1/4 of their home value. Only have to worry about that if you have to move to another state and want to sell your house.

Guy next door to me, who DOES NOT work in Automotive Industry, lost $25,000 (out of his own pocket, does not account for equity he lost) due to his company moving him to another state and that was 2.5 years ago. Place was vacant for 11 months, so that was 11 months of TWO house payments, plus taxes, utilities and association fees… He didn’t work for Automotive Industry and was affected by auto industry. OH, I forgot to mention that his company closed his location, due to lack of business. Do you know where most of their business for this location came from? Automotive! Due to all the lay offs, A lot of people have moved out of Michigan, so they closed all their locations in Michigan.

By Swami Dave

December 12, 2008 11:54 PM | Link to this

Geek:

Yes, I knew why the Obama’s were making the request. I will assume that you missed the post to which my response was pointed. Chad Harris asserted that the Bush Administration & Blair House were breaking from “tradition” in refusing to allow it. I happily corrected his factual error.

That said, the request was refused because it is against tradition and Blair House was already booked upon until the standard move-in date for President-Elects and their families.

Glad to clarify.

-Swami Dave

By Chad Harris

December 12, 2008 11:56 PM | Link to this

Problem is, Illinois will not be seating a second Senator for, oh, I don’t know, maybe six months or so.

More likely you can get Angie Jolie or Eva Mendez into your living room before midnight.

Jessie Jackson the father or son gets you no where in making any points.

The word pinko only shows your vocabulary limitations and reading impairment.

This is one of your most absurd statements yet. You were either comatose during the last eight years and you’re b*** about Democrats’ ethics and drawing on it by the usual guilt by association to Blago.

Your sylogism goes this way:

1) Brian Nichols killed people. 2) Jim Wooten lives in Jaw Jaw. 3) Wooten is a murderer.

Dems and Ethics? You had the biggest law breakking clusterfuck in this nation’s history and I could real off hundreds of them with Bush Co.

And your blaise casual smug Illinois will take 6 monthws to name a Senator is bum f*ck nutso.

The a***** AG who wants to be governor will get nowhere with her legally idiotic attempt to have Blago declared incompetent and she knows it but the ugly witch needed face time. I don’t like lawyers who know a lot better and waste time doing things to get them into office.

Blago will probably resign very soon—even before he is indicted which has to happen within about 17 more days unless Fitz wants to be a moron and hold a probable cause hearing and grant the decent lawyer Blago will hire soon a field day of easy discovery and tip his case even more than the complaint.

It’s not going to drag out into an impeachment believe me. Not when the President elect wants it f*** over. Blago is using his last chip to get some plea bargaining slack in all probability.

So count on it—there will be an Illinois Senator and soon and probably before Jan. 3 when they are sworn in.

By Chad Harris

December 13, 2008 12:44 AM | Link to this

That the Obamas can get a roof over their heads that will be more than adequate for the 20 days until the slime is autoclaved out of the White House is not among the top 300 national problems. The kids will start their $30,000 school year on time at Quaker Friends.

I get a smile out of Wingnuts preaching ethics after 8 years of scum and lawbreaking permeated the WH.

As to the nastiness of the Bush’s occupying Blair House they had months to put their events somewhwere else. It’s just typical of their lack of class and trailer trash approach to life.

By "The Corporal"

December 13, 2008 1:02 AM | Link to this

To Chad Harris

I gave you my whole resume’ the other day and asked for yours in reply but I never heard from you. The brief version is 27 years U.S. Secret Service (supervisor retired).

And quit dengigrating BOP personnel. I also did four years as a supervisor with the Federal Air Marshal Service and some of those ex-BOP guys were just the ones you would want on an airplane if thing went very, very bad.

To Jay Bookman

Jay, of course that is what he said in the news conference. I watched the whole thing in disbelief. It may shock you to know that I have been part of investigations that were ended prematurely and there was an official reason and an unoffical reason. You of all people should know that those things happen in the government all the time.

The deal could have gone through. That chosen senator would have never been seated and the case would then have been air tight.

I’ll bet if you could quiz the working agents they would tell you they were astonished they couldn’t continue the wiretaps as there were other suspect to be had.

By Chad Harris

December 13, 2008 1:29 AM | Link to this

I can’t begin to tell you former fed how much scum has systemically permeated DOJ—particularly in this administration. Would you like me to draw you a road map?

The BOP are among the scum in DOJ. I took particular delight a couple years ago watching a case where BOP scum here beat the f*ck out of an imate —they always make sure they outman the inmate who is strapped down or cuffed and strapped down by about 8 to 1. They had caused abdominal bleeding and significant injury to the inmate and there were witnesses who wouldn’t lie for them.

Courtland Recihman from King Spaulding took the case for the inmate against DOJ.

Courtland doesn’t do criminal law or PI—he’s the head of the intellectual property section at King Spaulding, specifically chairing their patent initiatives.

A few hours before the first deposition was scheduled, after DOJ and the hacks swore up and down that the case was a myth, the deposition was cancelled after BOP made a settlement offer for a hundred grand.

I remember a case where Mukasey was on the bench in the SDNY and a similar beating had occured. When the prisoner was brought into Mike Mukasey’s courtroom, Mukasey took a look at him and blurted out “he doesn’t look bad to me.”

Mukasey did this from the bench, and Mukasey’sclinical medical ability consists of being able to move his bowels and urinate.

Mukasey functioned as Bush’s Sylvio Dante stonewalling Congress for any significant information.

Some of those BOP guys were just the ones I’d want to see buried in the BOP with the key thrown away.

By Chad Harris

December 13, 2008 1:43 AM | Link to this

Hey Hey—

Former Fed—

Why are you wasting your talent here? Ob viously Fitz needs you and I’m going to make it easy for you to tell him how he should be running the Blago proseuution.

Phone him up and tell him you will be supervising him:

Pat Fitz Northern District of Illinois, Eastern Division 219 S. Dearborn St., 5th Floor Chicago, IL 60604

Phone: (312) 353-5300

Tell him you’re operating on the premise that the President elect “forced Pat Fitz to make a complaint.” Fitz hasn’t ended his investigation early.

And you think that when he said already Obama had no involvement he was lying. Make sure to let him know.

By Jane

December 13, 2008 2:00 AM | Link to this

The best thing Bush could do for the party is to defect.

By GodHatesTrash

December 13, 2008 5:36 AM | Link to this

Woo-tan is not a murderer, just a crippingly boring idiot.

By Bud Wiser

December 13, 2008 6:38 AM | Link to this

To Chad Harris: Do you think they will be able to fumigate the O Express 757 well enough to render it usable again in public service?

The media really complained during the campaign about the rank smell of BO’s plane, that is, until some were booted off after their newspapers endorsed McCain.

Now the White House? Do you suppose it will be livable after 4 years of tenancy by the O’s? Will the media be allowed inside access, only to have the odors make them say “no thanks, I’ll wait in the Rose Garden instead.

You know, some tenants of homes they never belonged in really trash the places out just before they are evicted.

As for the Secret Service, perhaps BO will go for MC Hammer and the Boyz …. I hear they are looking for work these days, or perhaps Micheal Vick’s posse, yeah, that’s the ticket!

And for yourself Chad, grow up. Your foul language only exposes you for the total lack of intelligence and class that you do not possess. Your self hate and loathing is poisonous to your soul, if you have one. Be a good little tool and just go away.

By Eric1

December 13, 2008 7:31 AM | Link to this

As he’s demonstrated over and over again, Bush doing what he “thinks” best for the country is always a disaster. He hasn’t gotten one thing right yet. What a freaking moron. I’d like to see his sorry a* in jail.

By proudAmerica

December 13, 2008 8:21 AM | Link to this

Bud Wiser, you’re late for your klan meeting. Another coward hiding behind his sheet and blogs. What a watse of space. Have all your children moved as far away form you as they can afford? That silver spoon get twisted in there a little bit? Another Republican born on 3rd base and thought they hit triple. There must some country, where you can live for free, that will take you. The rest of us are kind of busy trying make this country back into what it was before you showed with your Bush buddies.

By proudAmerica

December 13, 2008 8:24 AM | Link to this

Bud Wiser, you’re late for your klan meeting. Another coward hiding behind his sheet and blogs. What a watse of space. Have all your children moved as far away form you as they can afford? That silver spoon get twisted in there a little bit? Another Republican born on 3rd base and thought they hit triple. There must some country, where you can live for free, that will take you. The rest of us are kind of busy trying make this country back into what it was before you showed with your Bush buddies.

By Thje Corporal

December 13, 2008 9:33 AM | Link to this

To Chad Harris

You have some real emotional issues son. I wish you well.

Regarding the investigation in Chicago of course it will go on …. but minus any effective * wiretaps* from the moment of the arrest forward.

Two additional points:

1) I can assure you, the U.S. Attorney’s position and the working agent’s opinions on how long these wires should have stayed up will not be in sync - been there done that.

2) I watched the entire news conference. All he said was there was nothing in this complaint accusing Aytch of anything. I repeat, in THIS complaint. That said, it appears Aythc may come out o.k. on this but another month of wiretaps would have been interesting.

By LD

December 13, 2008 11:05 AM | Link to this

Alienating the Midwest voter? Really, Jay? Democrats have a major scandal with one of their major Midwest governors selling the senate seat of the President-elect and it’s REPUBLICANS alienating the voters there?

I’m confused here: just how is it a plus for the Midwest voter to throw their tax dollars into a bottomless money pit? The Unions’ irresponsible stand against ANY concessions on their part is the bigger disservice. They don’t care how far they have to ride the Titanic down, just so long as they get the money for their Viagra (an $18 million dollar healthcare cost to the car companies every year by itself) and keep the ability to have even their laid-off workers get paid to the tune of $30 dollars an hour every day. Meanwhile the non-unionized car companies like Toyota, Nissan, etc. who employ Americans here continue to thrive, their employees are paid just as well if not better, they never have reason to strike, and key point: NONE OF THEM ARE SADDLED WITH THE COSTS OF DEALING WITH STUBBORN AND OUTDATED UNIONS!!!!

They only way to fix this that will work for everyone involved is to let the big 3 declare bankruptcy, restructure, the unions by law will have to renegotiate their deals, and then start over and rebuild with a more efficient, less cost-intensive business model that can actually compete globally. And for those who will call that anti-worker, you need to get out of the 1930’s, erase the image of the fat white old man with a stogey running GM looking to screw the little guy out of your head, and come on into the 21st century with Toyota, Nissan, and the rest of us.

By SugarHillDawg

December 13, 2008 11:18 AM | Link to this

Bush is just doing what he has done to his own party for the last 8 years—undermining and back-stabbing the people who have supported him.This conservative hates Bush more than Clinton because we knew Clinton was a scumbag!It’s hard to take when your own guy keeps throwing you under the bus.The big 3 are going to be in the same situation six months from now if gas goes back up to $3-$4 a gallon. The unions said they made concessions but they didn’t. You have to see what Libs and Dems actually do,NOT what they say.Now with Obama taking over soon, the old analogy of “it’s like giving a chimp a machine gun” comes to mind. We are SCREWED!!!

By CommunistAJC

December 13, 2008 11:47 AM | Link to this

Bookman, This is a wake up call to the GOP. GET BACK TO YOUR CONSERVATIVE ROOTS. Get rid of the RINOs and listen more to the Jindals and Palins. Otherwise we will have a one party socialist democrat country.

By Thje Corporal

December 13, 2008 11:52 AM | Link to this

To CommunistAJC

Amen, praise the Lord and pass the ammunition.

By DD

December 13, 2008 12:18 PM | Link to this

Looking after China and Japan and slave labor. Way to go GOP.

By Sharecropper

December 13, 2008 12:44 PM | Link to this

Why is anybody surprised that the blustering idiot Republicans have foisted upon us for eight years can’t be trusted? Even when, in this instance, he is right. Surprise, surprise, surprise.

The Senate Republicans are union busters, even if it destroys our economy. What a pathetic bunch of j******* losers.

By Thje Corporal

December 13, 2008 12:59 PM | Link to this

To Sharecropper

*Let’s all sing together now …. *

Everyone stand up and holler for the Union

Let’s give the brotherhood a cheer,

Everyone stand up and holler for the Union

We ain’t hit a lick all year !!

By proudamerican

December 13, 2008 1:25 PM | Link to this

poor thje copporal, did your mommy not breast feed you long enough? remember its people like you who want to enjoy the benefits of living in this country for free. Pay no tax, be a contributor of nothing to anything or anyone. On your tombstone, that someone else will have to pay for, should read, “Gave nothing, stood for nothing, but sucked on the titty of America as long as he could”

By The Corporal

December 13, 2008 1:57 PM | Link to this

To proudamerican

We’ll it’s very difficult sir/ma’am for us to compare ourselves and our lives so far in this country isn’t it?

You know, stuff like have either of us served our country by fighting for it (and I mean physically - not behind a desk), did either of us ever work for a Union (let’s say the Brotherhood of Railroad Trainmen) how much in taxes have we paid over our lifetime, how much charitable work have we done, etc., etc..

Speaking of “breast feeding” your post above is a little infantile as well pompous.

BTW, my tombstone will read:

“I told you I was sick”

By proudAmercian

December 13, 2008 2:20 PM | Link to this

to the corporal:

You can’t be any sicker than me.

By jack

December 13, 2008 2:20 PM | Link to this

To “TheCorporal”

Is it that all right wing wackjobs are this dumb or just you?

Didn’t any of you notice that Gov Blag was cursing the President Elect because he DIDN’T play ball.

The Feds have hours of tapes and nothing on them about Obama. Don’t you get it?

Or is that you can’t accept that the country came to its senses and rejected the GOP?

By Hillbilly Deluxe

December 13, 2008 2:32 PM | Link to this

All those foreign car plants in Tennessee and other places received hundreds of millions of dollars in state and local tax breaks. Isn’t that a bailout of sorts?

By donald

December 13, 2008 4:20 PM | Link to this

What the Southern GOP senators did was basically tell the average working stiff to go to he11! They claim they wanted the UAW to implement more wage and benefit concessions. Funny, why shouldn’t we American taxpayers require these same senators to do the same to help our economy?

This is yet another example of the GOP winning a battle, but losing the war. For these idiots to play “chicken” with the livelihood and welfare of hard working Americans speak volumes, and you folks are clamouring for Palin in 2012. YIKES!!

By The Corporal

December 13, 2008 4:24 PM | Link to this

To Jack

I think you are probably correct about Obama but don’t bet your life yet.

The U.S. Attorney chose his words very carefully when asked that specific question.

He said “nothing” in the indictment as opposed to just saying nothing concerning Obama.

Now, in the future why don’t you just try to be a little more civil and refrain from personal attacks. You don’t even know me. Let’s just debate.

By Razmus

December 13, 2008 4:35 PM | Link to this

14 Billion won’t keep the Big Three in cash for two months. What’s going to happen then? The UAW doesn’t want to give in on anything. Is our country now willing to pay for the corruption that is the UAW? Should we give them more and more money and sink this country even further into collapse? That is exactly what is happening here people. The letting of taxpayer blood must stop-and it must stop soon. I am a conservative and I can now say that Bush is the biggest idiot that has ever set foot in the Whitehouse.

By itpdude

December 13, 2008 6:32 PM | Link to this

Really, what can Bush do to the GOP Senators? What can Bush do to the GOP now?

Maybe Bush could go out and rap a Senator’s grandmother or something, maybe that would do more damage… but really, what more can Bush do to discredit the GOP?

$10 trillion in debt, we are… what can Bush do now?

By JB

December 13, 2008 7:29 PM | Link to this

Yeah, if I was a Senator representing constituients in a Southern state, the first thing I would worry about is alienating a bunch of mid-westerners. Gimme a break.
I’m just glad at least a few of them managed to grow some nads rather than let the UAW bailout program go through unscathed. Gettlefinger and all of those creeps are shameless liars.

By Algonquin J. Calhoun

December 13, 2008 7:54 PM | Link to this

You liberals really do owe President Bush a lot…..maybe even your next President.

What we owe him is a trial for his many crimes against humanity and the same justice at the end of a length of hemp that Saddam got!

By Frederick Douglsaa

December 13, 2008 10:41 PM | Link to this

You don’t wish a “neck tie party” for a man that has liberated not one, but two countries. The guy has kept us safe, poor but safe, he rooted out WMD, he presided with intelligence, he made the US of A a respected brand around the globe. No you don’t wish a bad outcome for a fella like that, you want him to live a long, long, long life to ponder everyday how he led so many young people to slaughter, or lives of infirmity. .

By StumpMonkey

December 14, 2008 7:32 AM | Link to this

If the Southern Senators are so anti Detroit are they also anti NASCAR? You folks in the south really have exposed yourselves as the biggest hypocrites and bigotes in the entire universe.There is a very warm place awaiting haters like you all.

By spankmonkey

December 14, 2008 7:37 AM | Link to this

Oh boohoo Man48312, Cry me a river, you need to take all that up with the UAW, everybody here knows it’s all thier fault, the UAW also went over to IRAQ and spirited the WMD’s out of the country just before we invaded, and I’m pretty sure the UAW was the second shooter in Kennedy’s assasination, and I know for a fact that the UAW staged the lunar landings…

By spankmonkey

December 14, 2008 7:42 AM | Link to this

Wow! NASCAR! I had not even considered that. Maybe the southern GOP will trade out some more rollbacks on civil rights in exchange for a deal on Detroit, can’t let NASCAR go down the tubes. There’s already a team racing damn toyota’s …

By yankee

December 14, 2008 12:34 PM | Link to this

So the south want’s to start a war, that work out very good for you last time?

By Jethro

December 14, 2008 12:52 PM | Link to this

Who got knee-capped were the families of Brian Nichol’s victims. The juror “who was doing the puzzle” and wouldn’t deliberate, should be ashamed.

BTW Jay, funny how you equate doing the right thing with kneecapping. Speaking of knee-capping how about Gov. Blago and Rahm Emmanuel? Where’s your “editorial” on that scumbag friend of our soon to be Prez? Then again, the God forbid you write about the corruption of those you love.

By Jethro

December 14, 2008 12:58 PM | Link to this

Corporal, If I were you, I wouldn’t waste my time responding to 90% of these ignorant jagoffs.

By StumpMonkey

December 14, 2008 2:01 PM | Link to this

Alambama pays Mercedes Benz $175,000 of taxpayer money for each job created at their plant. Gov. Perdue greases and gets greased by KIA at ga taxpayers expense.And all of this Flag waving Patriotic crap is silent. AMERICAN WORKERS get scewed and you want to blame the UAW. You folks deserve another BUSH.

By StumpMonkey

December 14, 2008 2:07 PM | Link to this

Alambama pays Mercedes Benz $175,000 of taxpayer money for each job created at their plant. Gov. Perdue greases and gets greased by KIA at ga taxpayers expense.And all of this Flag waving Patriotic crap is silent. AMERICAN WORKERS get scewed and you want to blame the UAW. You folks deserve another BUSH.

By John Galt Jr.

December 14, 2008 3:47 PM | Link to this

Jay, do the Dimocracts EVER do any wrong, or is it just Bush and the Republicans? Man, do you ever do a good job of carrying Koolaid. (can you say Illinois?)As far as the big 3, let them declare bankruptcy and bust the Unions. Stump Monkey, who do you think is building the cars at the foreign car makers in American factories? Is it because they are all non union workers you have a problem, or is it because NONE of them are about to fail? Hmmmm. I say screw the unions.

By StumpMonkey

December 14, 2008 4:29 PM | Link to this

No one ever said Democrats were perfect.As for Koolaid republicans are way past that point.To your Anti union comment you probably think slavery was also a good idea.The fact that this country was bullt by slaves both white and black and robber barons and plantation owners all reaped the profits is also probably a great idea to you.Why do you think MCLAME got his a* handed to him in the eletion?

By Jethro

December 14, 2008 5:25 PM | Link to this

Hey SpunkMonkey, please enlighten us. Who are the slaves today? The bottom line is if you are a UAW member, would you rather make consessions so the company you work for stays in business or be without a job? I’m sorry if your welfare mindset can’t comprehend, but to hell with the taxpayer bailout.

By The Corporal

December 14, 2008 8:44 PM | Link to this

To Jethro

I hear you buddy but it amuses me.

By John Galt Jr.

December 14, 2008 9:03 PM | Link to this

Just remember spunkmonkey, it was the Republicans who freed the slaves. For the life of me if you really understood history why any black man would love the party of George Wallace, Lester Maddox, etc, etc, blows my mind. Also, as a free thinker, do you not think the unions enslave their members? You don’t? Try quitting the union once you join. Could any member working the line at GM decide to quit his glorious union and keep his job? I think not. Remember Eastern Airlines? Struck themselves right out of a job. Idiots. Semper Fi Corporal, keep up the good work as I cannot post much. I am too busy running my company providing non union jobs to people. Funny thing is I do it for them as I have enough to retire now. Don’t tell the unions.

By Anthony

December 14, 2008 10:52 PM | Link to this

Man throws shoes at President Bush during farewell trip to Iraq. I say that was most innovating SHOE-ICIDE attack since the start of the MESS DUBYA created in Iraq.

By Anthony

December 14, 2008 11:08 PM | Link to this

I seriously believe that these REDNECK SOUTHERN SENATORS are confusing the “UNION (UAW)” with the UNION ARMY (Civil War). They get flashback of their “HERITAGE” and voted no for the bailout to the Big 3 Automaker because of the CAN OF WHOOP A* their MORON CONFEDERATE FORE-FATHERS suffered back in the Civil War.

By Midori

December 14, 2008 11:54 PM | Link to this

Just remember spunkmonkey, it was the Republicans who freed the slaves.

That old tried and true fallback.

Today’s Republican Party is NOWHERE NEAR the GOP of Lincoln’s Day.

The same is true of the Democratic Party.

Racists Democrats — such as Helms and Thurmond — left the Democratic party and joined the present day racist Republicans when Johnson pushed through civil rights legislation.

That dog just don’t hunt.

By John Galt Jr.

December 15, 2008 5:40 AM | Link to this

Actually Midori it was the Republicans during Johnsons administration that pushed thru the civil rights act, not the Dems. Check your facts. What about your KKK member racist Dem Byrd? You forget about him? Drink some more koolaid.

By StumpMonkey

December 15, 2008 7:12 AM | Link to this

Its pretty clear you so called patriots have a very selective memory.1. Civil War was about freeing the slaves from the South.Lincoln was killed for his part.MLK was also killed in the Civil rights fight and JFK was also taken out by Righteous Good Ol Boys from the South.2.I have never been a union member but all your blind hatred for anything for fair and equal treatment of workers is pretty pathetic.Greed is ugly and GOD don’t like ugly.

By Opus X

December 15, 2008 8:24 AM | Link to this

Wrong, Jay. Bush just further marginalized himself. That is all.

By brokeandproudo it

December 15, 2008 8:33 AM | Link to this

Actually he saved the GOP Senators. Voting for a bailout would have alienated thier constiuents, Bush being the lame duck that he is hands over the dough and the GOP Senators are not tied to the certain fiasco.

By SaveOurRepublic

December 15, 2008 9:20 AM | Link to this

brokeandproudo it @ 8:33 AM - Good read, & quite possibly is the case. Most of the GOP Senators are Neocon/RINOs (like “Jorge Boosh”), so they wanted to avoid any further backlash from their base (by further betraying real conservative principles).

The endless Corporate Welfare needs to end, and should have never occured to begin with!

By Andrew

December 15, 2008 9:43 AM | Link to this

Pathetic…Reading these comments makes me sick to my stomach. Our country has turned into a nightmare. Everybody at each others throats, no sense of pride, loyalty, commitment to pulling us out of this quagmire, just blaming, accusing, hating. If this is what we have turned into, blistering brats screaming at each other, blaming each other, then this country and way of life is toast. Butter anyone?

By Essemmdee

December 15, 2008 10:38 AM | Link to this

Big Three Bailout - here’s my opinion. First of all, leave politics out of it. Gas prices are the lowest that they have been in several years. Still the Oil Companies are making a killing. Since the products sold by the Big Three use the oil and oil products manufactured by the Oil Companies, why don’t they get the bailout money from the Oil Companies? That would take the immediate burden off the consumer (aka taxpayer) and secure a future not only for the Big Three but also for the Oil Companies as well. If vehicles aren’t being produced, you won’t have to buy oil and gasoline for them. So by lending the Big Three the money, Oil Companies make a market for their products.