Jay Bookman

By getalife

December 11, 2008 2:23 PM | Link to this

But bither threads are hilarious Jay.

We need a good laugh in times like these.

By DB, Gwinnettian

December 11, 2008 2:24 PM | Link to this

Birthers—he’s actually doing you a favor.

You should be thankful.

By Joey

December 11, 2008 2:26 PM | Link to this

Jay: I think questioning Obama’s birth place is a waste of time and energy.

However, your action to restrict it from discussion begs the question: Have you ever restricted the subject matter on anyone or anything else?

By Midori

December 11, 2008 2:27 PM | Link to this

well,

I DEMAND to see Corporal’s umbilical cord!!!

How else can he prove he was born??

By DB, Gwinnettian

December 11, 2008 2:35 PM | Link to this

Joey, I don’t know if this qualifies as a “subject matter” but I think it’s accurate to say that Jay does has a very short trigger on anything that smacks of race-baiting. He doesn’t tolerate it from the right or the left.

So a kind of precedent is there.

By AJC/DNC Management

December 11, 2008 2:43 PM | Link to this

This will be the last thread on which birther nonsense can be posted. From here on out, it will be deleted.

Geez, I can see where this is leading.

How long were we subjected to the “Downing Street Memo” and the Daily Briefing and blah, blah, blah?

Insanity is a sole posession of the left wing?

Or else it gets censored.

Immaturity, dude.

By Doggone/GA

December 11, 2008 2:47 PM | Link to this

“How long were we subjected to the “Downing Street Memo” and the Daily Briefing and blah, blah, blah?”

But those did not meet the qualification you seem to be missing: NONSENSE

The “birth” question is NONSENSE.

These was SENSE to the Downing Street Memor and the Daily Briefing issues.

By catlady

December 11, 2008 2:48 PM | Link to this

Sort of like President Bush’s “signing statements.”

By AJC/DNC Management

December 11, 2008 2:50 PM | Link to this

This post was not approved by the Obama Free Speech and 1st Amendment Commission, so it was deleted.

By Anonymous Taxpayer

December 11, 2008 3:01 PM | Link to this

joey,

Try asking Jay about the FairTax[TM].

By Abomi Nation

December 11, 2008 3:03 PM | Link to this

Right you are AJC/DNC!! This is CENSORSHIP!

I propose a “call in sick to Jays Blog Day!”

Or since he gets 1 dollar for each post we make on his blog, A TOTAL BOYCOTT!!

You with me AJC/DNC? Jay’s getting rich off you. You paid for his next vacation. Lets stop it. His tour of Pinko Venezuela, Commie Cuba, and Red North Korea MUST NEVER TAKE PLACE!

By DB, Gwinnettian

December 11, 2008 3:06 PM | Link to this

Anon @ 3.01, when did Jay ever delete a post about the Fair(y Tale) Tax?

By "The Corporal"

December 11, 2008 3:07 PM | Link to this

Jay

I see you are up to your anti-free speech again. How sad for someone in the press. This is beneath you.

In any case, before you did editorials were you an investigative or beat reporter? If so, I have one question for you to research.

What hosptial in Hawaii was Aytch born in? According to my research it should have been only one of two at the time.

Your help would be most appreciated as I want to contribute to a plaque for the hosptial to mark his birthplace.

BTW if you are wondering about the Aytch thing:

For eight years my liberal friends derogatorily referred to President Bush as Dubya. Since President Elect Obama has had a change of heart and has decided to use his middle name Hussein, I will now refer to him as Aytch.

P.S.

I accept your free speech challenge. Should you in the future delete my free speech for anything other than profanity, etc. I will take it up with your superiors to see if they agree. If you say it’s because a future post is off topic, you had better make sure every other liberal off topic is deleted also.

I may lose (after all the AJC is a liberal paper) but I am up to the challenge.

By DB, Gwinnettian

December 11, 2008 3:10 PM | Link to this

Jay, could you also delete posts from guys who insist on bolding every other word for no apparent reason?

By Taxpayer formerly known as Anonymous

December 11, 2008 3:11 PM | Link to this

DB, he did not delete a post — at least, that I recall. He promised to never talk about it again — a form of self-censorship or pre-deletion, if you will.

By Class of '98

December 11, 2008 3:12 PM | Link to this

I’m as conservative as anyone, but censorship is when GOVERNMENT infringes on freedom of speech.

Jay isn’t stopping anyone from saying anything. He’s just stopping them from saying it on his blog.

By Doggone/GA

December 11, 2008 3:12 PM | Link to this

“I accept your free speech challenge. Should you in the future delete my free speech for anything other than profanity, etc. I will take it up with your superiors to see if they agree”

There is NO RIGHT to free speech on a blog. What you can say and how you can say it is totally up to whomever controls that blog. Look it up.

By Doggone/GA

December 11, 2008 3:15 PM | Link to this

“DB, he did not delete a post — at least, that I recall. He promised to never talk about it again — a form of self-censorship or pre-deletion, if you will.”

You need to read ALL of what he wrote. this is at the very end: “This will be the last thread on which birther nonsense can be posted. From here on out, it will be deleted”

By Taxpayer

December 11, 2008 3:16 PM | Link to this

Jay,

I think Corporal has lost a grip on his piece.

By Taxpayer

December 11, 2008 3:27 PM | Link to this

Doggone,

What leads you to believe that I did not read ALL of what he wrote.

By DB, Gwinnettian

December 11, 2008 3:27 PM | Link to this

Doggone, I think Anon was just making a point that it’s Jay’s blog, it’s his rules, suck it up.

right, Anon?

By Mr Snarky

December 11, 2008 3:28 PM | Link to this

The whole birthplace thing is a canard, fabricated to distract from the real issues.

Speaking of which, I wonder if the Senate republicans would be so quick to drive the economy into the ditch by killing the auto bailout if they were going to be in charge and held accountable. Why let a few hundred thousand jobs get in the way of a stand on “principle”?

I guess we’ve returned to the old days, where the republican minority stood for small government because they had no real power and it sounded good.

By Doggone/GA

December 11, 2008 3:32 PM | Link to this

“stood for small government “

I would amend that to say: when they SAID they stood for small government

In the 6 years they were in charge they greatly INCREASED not only the size of the government, but also the size of the national debt and size of the budget.

They don’t stand for smaller government, they just pay the IDEA lip service, because…yes…it sounds good.

By Midori

December 11, 2008 3:34 PM | Link to this

Jay, could you also delete posts from guys who insist on bolding every other word for no apparent reason?

please, PLEASE, pretty please????

By GodHatesTrash

December 11, 2008 3:35 PM | Link to this

You know, I don’t make the rules around here. And my first thought was that Bookman was shooting himself in the foot by restricting the birther crazies, but:

Fear not, RightWingnuts.

I’m sure you will find something equally ridiculous and asinine to waste electrons over.

Ray will continue to regale us with his nonstop racism.

Duh will cut and paste and cut and paste and cut and paste and cut and paste to keep y’all up to date on what’s happening over at Stormfront and Free Republic.

Mad as Zig-Zag will regale us with its violent fantasies and paranoia.

The “Corporal”, deprived of his birth certificate obsession, will quickly receive new messages from Planet X even with his new tinfoil hat, and repetitively and endlessly post them here.

Dusty and @@ will still post their shrill, utter nonsense.

CommieAJC will continue her histrionic blatherings, for sure.

Nothing’s really changed on Bookman’s blog, RightWingnuts.

Stay and play.

By mm

December 11, 2008 3:37 PM | Link to this

According to the wingnuts, Obama was born in a manger since he is the Annointed One.

Case closed Corporal.

By Abomi Nation

December 11, 2008 3:37 PM | Link to this

That’s how I read it too DB. I agree 100%

This blog has Jay’s name on it he has the freedom to delete anything he wants.

For Corporal to think that the AJC should censor Jay is of course ridiculous.

By Taxpayer (also known as Anonymous)

December 11, 2008 3:40 PM | Link to this

DB,

Doggone it, you’re right. Also, I was pointing out that Jay has deleted all future occurrences of FairTax[TM] by stating that he would not talk about it again. Well, he has not literally deleted them from the screen but the thought is the same. Of course, we could also examine Jay’s words more closely and find that he has left numerous escape routes (aside from the obvious ones such as “Well, just this one last time,” etc.) such as “birther nonsense”. Notice that if the posting is sensible it does not conform to this prerequisite for deletion.

By getalife

December 11, 2008 3:40 PM | Link to this

Man, I will miss the birther threads but there will be many more tin foil hat conspiracies in the next 8 years.

By DB, Gwinnettian

December 11, 2008 3:47 PM | Link to this

For the record, Jay’s pulled a couple of my posts.

I never griped (or even commented, save one time when I felt it was right and proper for me to apologize to Jay for being such a dick); I figured he’s got to find a way to maintain some level of civility and if I’ve crossed a line that only Jay really gets to define, it’s his call. No biggie.

This really shouldn’t be an ideological-divide kind of deal, folks. His blog, his rules.

By Abomi Nation

December 11, 2008 3:54 PM | Link to this

Now to be fair maybe the AJC can accommodate some of Jay’s very loyal opposition with a blog of their own.

How about AJC? It’s time for a new blog. To be named,

“Diary of a Madman” or maybe, “Diary of a Madman”

By AJC/DNC Management

December 11, 2008 3:54 PM | Link to this

This message did not have any lying smears against Alaskan Governor Palin so it was deleted, bwa.

By AmVet

December 11, 2008 3:56 PM | Link to this

That’s it! I’m canceling my subscription!

Midori, umbilical cord?!

OMG, that’s funny!

I think the GOP attack dogs are floundering without their head beeyatch, Karl the Colostomy Bag around anymore.

Sure they can still bark and howl at the moon but after getting their teeth kicked in twice in the past two November elections, their bite is more like a gum job.

Maybe they can resurrect the career of Newt the Nut as the new/old point man in their ongoing fight against modernity and reality…

By Paul

December 11, 2008 4:01 PM | Link to this

Seriously, doesn’t someone confirm a candidate’s age and citizenship before the election? Who has responsibility for having done this?

If he was born in Hawaii to a Martian, he’s be a US Citizen, right?

By AJC/DNC Management

December 11, 2008 4:05 PM | Link to this

WANTED: democrat party toadies and sycophants to post to a blog with only messages about Sarah Palin’s wardrobe and any George Bushie slander you can think of. Must be a moron. Must be willing to mewl and clap like a seal at each new blog article. Must profess deep undivided love and slavish devotion to the New President Elect, His Highness.

NO ANTI LIBERAL COMMENTS ALLOWED!!

This is a solicitation for employment and we do not discriminate against any applicants based on color, race or age. Wingnuts need not apply.

By Cheryl

December 11, 2008 4:08 PM | Link to this

Since when did Dubya become a slur? I thought it was how people spelled the letter W, phonetically? Corporal, please enlighten us? Why not try calling the President Elect Obama. It works and it’s his name. As far as I know, W is what President Bush preferred to be called? If I am wrong, please correct that too.

He didn’t like being called George Jr., which makes sense because he is not actually a Jr. since they have different middle names.

Seriously, why is that a slurr?

By Greg Mendel

December 11, 2008 4:08 PM | Link to this

I see the Detroit bailout is stymied in the Senate. The Dems want it, the Elephant Cult doesn’t. So, no bailout.

Now, what was that about the Democrats controlling congress?

By "The Corporal"

December 11, 2008 4:08 PM | Link to this

**Censorship is censorshiop whether official (government) or personal.

The first may be illegal, the second is unethical.

Yes, Jay has the right to censor unless his superiors say otherwise and censor him ……….. :o)

BTW

Quote - Capitalism without bankruptcy is like Christianity without hell.

By Abomi Nation

December 11, 2008 4:08 PM | Link to this

Oh yes Paul, yes.

Barack Hussein Obama…..My favorite Martian.

And soon-to-be President.

By Midori

December 11, 2008 4:09 PM | Link to this

Andy - God I wish you’d grow up. Or a pair.

AmVET: Time to do a little navel gazing :)

Paul: I’ve been looking for you!! Hope you and your’s are doing well.

By GodHatesTrash

December 11, 2008 4:11 PM | Link to this

Actually, Obama’s father is not African, but Kryptonian.

Jor-el made a rocket and sent his son to Earth when their giant green home planet exploded. Kal-el’s , Obama’s orignal name (sure sounds like a Muslim name!) original birth certificate was destroyed in the cataclysm.

This is why Obama has never been photographed near green glowing rocks. Pieces from his home planet can kill him, if they are too close.

Obama is actually over 75 earth-years old (almost as old as John Hensley-McCain).

He originally landed in Kansas, where he was raised by an elderly couple. Two members of the evil mainstream media were responsible for concocting the elaborate hoax and deception around Obama’s origins. Daily Planet reporters Lois Lane and Jimmy Olsen were the very first ones aboard the Obama bandwagon, many many years ago…

By "The Corporal"

December 11, 2008 4:18 PM | Link to this

P.S. to Jay

If your rules stick, this will be my last opportunity on your blog to ask a birther question of any kind.

So ………. do I get my question answered or not?

What hospital was he born in?

By Greg Mendel

December 11, 2008 4:18 PM | Link to this

Is spam-filtering censorship? How about spell-checking? Changing the channel from Fox News to the Food Network?

By GreenJeans

December 11, 2008 4:19 PM | Link to this

Midori, add me to the list of fans for your questions to President Bush.

By Watta Load

December 11, 2008 4:20 PM | Link to this

Corporal,

Bandwidth is expensive. You have wasted a lot of it with your obsession with Obama’s birthplace. There’s no reason for Jay to allow you to continue to clutter up his blog with unsubstantiated drivel. That’s not censorship, it’s called being an administror.

I know you folks really want to get something on Obama, but don’t you think the patriotic thing to do is let him concentrate on fixing the huge mess we have in this country?

By GodHatesTrash

December 11, 2008 4:23 PM | Link to this

Bookman, do you think Cynthia will send you to Hawaii for a few months to investigate this Obama thing?

The inquiring mindless on your blog really want to know.

And you can make a vacation of it.

Go pitch it to Cynthia.

By "The Corporal"

December 11, 2008 4:25 PM | Link to this

To Watta Load

Aytch is going to be President.

It’s a simple question that any author would want for a biography or a the U.S. Park Service for a hospital plaque. How is that getting him?

What hospital was he born in?

By RealityKing

December 11, 2008 4:33 PM | Link to this

Obama is resurrecting the Clinton administration, surely their scandalous tendencies will follow..

By Midori

December 11, 2008 4:34 PM | Link to this

LOL, Green Jeans.

thanks!! :)

the wingnuts sure got offended, didn’t they?

By GreenJeans

December 11, 2008 4:37 PM | Link to this

Midori, add me to the list of fans for your questions to President Bush.

By rightofcenter

December 11, 2008 4:37 PM | Link to this

Midori, Add me to the list that thinks your sense of humor is weak. I thought maybe 2 of your 100 posts on the “question” were funny. The rest were boring. I can laugh at good leftish humor (Jon Stewart, etc.) Yours just wasn’t funny. Not even close.

By Abomi Nation

December 11, 2008 4:37 PM | Link to this

GHT don’t you read your alien history? Barack Obama is a Klingon.

From Klingonska Akademie.org,

ghIlI’qan qo’

yIba’ ‘ej vaj lut bIQoy… lut leng Sanbogh taghta… yuQvo tuj je bIQ… tIj Duj mach’a’…

chIjwI’ po’ yas wa’DIch… yoH je voq HoD… jaj ‘e’ tlheDta raQpa’pu’ vagh… leghvaD repmey wej… leghvaD repmey wej…

ghegh’a’ mojtaH SuSmey logh… SeH chIlta’ Duj mach’a’… toDuj beqpu’ yoH’a’ Dachchugh… mi’nov ‘e’ chIllaw’… mi’nov ‘e’ chIllaw’…

yuQ Deb je tu’be’ ghorDaQ… Duj Saqta’ Qatlh je let… nuvmey ghili’qan je HoD… loD mIp’a’ je be’nalDaj… beDawI’ je janwI’ je marI’ahn…

ghIlI’qan qo’Daq

Translated

Sit and then a tale you’ll hear… A tale of a fated trip… That started from a tropical planet… Aboard a tiny ship…

The first officer was a skilled navigator… The captain was brave and trustworthy… Five passengers departed on that day… For a three-hour voyage….. For a three-hour voyage…

The solar winds became extremely rough… The ship lost control… If the crew had not been very brave… The “Minnow” would have been lost… The “Minnow” would have been lost…

The ship crashed hard on the surface… Of an uncharted, desert planet…

The people were:… Gilligan and Obama… The very rich man and his wife… The actress, the engineer,… And Michelle

Here on Gilligan’s World

For those that aren’t aware, Obama was the Captain, Michelle would end up marrying the Captain.

By RealityKing

December 11, 2008 4:41 PM | Link to this

Sandy (pants stuffing) Berger is on Obama’s team. Nope, no back scratching corruption going on there..

By Midori

December 11, 2008 4:42 PM | Link to this

well, ROC

I didn’t know it was my job to

I most certainly did not have you in mind when I wrote those things.

So, if you will, please place me in the “don’t give a hoot” column when it comes to what you do or don’t like that I write.

By "The Corporal"

December 11, 2008 4:47 PM | Link to this

What do you guys think of Aytch’s stance on this ?

Obama to offer Israel ‘nuclear umbrella’ against Iranian nuke attack.

Is that something liberals are going to be happy about ?

By mike hussein smith

December 11, 2008 4:52 PM | Link to this

Corporal, which hospital was Lincoln born in? Which hospital was Dubya born in?

By "The Corporal"

December 11, 2008 5:12 PM | Link to this

To Mike Aytch Smith

1) Bush was born in Grace-New Haven Community Hospital in New Haven, Connecticut.

2) Lincoln was born in a log cabin.

3) Now I ask you - what hospital was Aytch (aka Obama) born in?

By AJC/DNC Management

December 11, 2008 5:19 PM | Link to this

Doesn’t it tell us everything we need to know when someone who’s whole freaking career was possible because of the First Amendment but will only allow approved speech on his political discussion blog?

These liberals are whacked, there’s no doubt that.

By FrankLeeDarling

December 11, 2008 5:23 PM | Link to this

he was born in a crossfire hurricane

By "The Corporal"

December 11, 2008 5:24 PM | Link to this

An additional Birther Point

Now don’t get me wrong. As I said before, Aytch will be my president come January 20th. That’s a done deal.

Now …… the reason SCOTUS did not take the case was not because of its merits but because the plaintiff did not have standing to challenge the election/inauguration. The SCOTUS said he could not show he would be harmed……yet.

There are a lot of legal beagles who disagree with that but the SCOTUS gets the last word.

The real problem for the courts will come after Aytch is president. Why? Because then someone (probably a criminal defendant) will challenge his conviction, sentence or whatever based on a law that Aytch has signed. In other words, that person will have standing to at least make the challenge. And most of us know you can find a federal judge somewhere (liberal or conservative) to help you make your point.

This has the potential to dog Aytch and tie up the court system for his whole term.

International treaties, executive orders, etc. could also provide the same standing to individuals who are harmed thereby.

You know how attorneys are. They will milk this for all it is worth.

If you doubt me on this, Tip of the iceberg. Stay tuned.

By "The Corporal"

December 11, 2008 5:25 PM | Link to this

to AJC/DNC

We both know they talk a good line about free speech, etc. but their bias always shows.

By AJC/DNC Management

December 11, 2008 5:28 PM | Link to this

“Barack Obama says his presidency is an opportunity for the United States to spread a message of tolerance,” the Los Angeles Times reports in “Obama’s first newspaper interview since his Nov. 4 election”:

Unless of course you want to talk about his missing birth certificate, then you need to stfu.

Tolerance, hahahaha.

By Swami Dave

December 11, 2008 5:33 PM | Link to this

He who pays the bills or adminstrates on behalf of the one who pays the bills can set pretty much any rules that he wants. As someone who pays monthly for the DNS that publishes my own website where I blog & post content of interest to me & governed by my own self-appointed guidelines, I would expect the AJC & Jay to do the same.

As I said yesterday, all circumstantial evidence (driver’s license, certification as candidate of major political party, etc.) would lead most to the conclusion that he is a citizen. Lacking evidence to the contrary, there really is no case. Obama would have no obligation to produce evidence to prove what is already commonly accepted. The burden of proof would be to prove his citizenship invalid (evidence of which I suspect would be difficult to find - if it even existed).

You may succeed in your challenge of that windmill, but I think we will be much more effective tilting in the arena of ideas.

-Swami Dave

By AJC/DNC Management

December 11, 2008 5:37 PM | Link to this

It ain’t just here either-

The first KHQA report, on Nov. 5, said that Obama was “meeting with Governor Rod Blagojevich this afternoon in Chicago to discuss” the nomination. The second, three days later, said that the meeting had taken place. Never mind, KHQA now says:

KHQA TV wishes to offer clarification regarding a story that appeared last month on our website ConnectTristates.com. The story, which discussed the appointment of a replacement for President Elect Obama in the U.S. Senate, became the subject of much discussion on talk radio and on blog sites Wednesday.

The story housed in our website archive was on the morning of November 5, 2008. It suggested that a meeting was scheduled later that day between President Elect Obama and Illinois Governor Blagojevich. KHQA has no knowledge that any meeting ever took place. Governor Blagojevich did appear at a news conference in Chicago on that date.

How about that, someone got a threatening call from a certain organization that wished to censor away a whole event, just make your news archives stfu or else.

Heil Hitler!

Yes we can!

By "The Corporal"

December 11, 2008 5:45 PM | Link to this

To Mike Aytch Smith:

I’m waiting ………

To all of my liberal friends

Look, let’s be serious here. You and I are taxpayers. This probable future litigation after Aytch is president will be costly in terms of money, effort, court time, etc.

All of this can be cleared up by noon tomorrow!

How? Very simply. Aytch requests that the State of Hawaii release the extended, vault copy of his birth certificate which will indicate the hospital of record for his birth on Hawaii. Then, that can be quickly verified with that hospital’s records and we’re done!

That would show he was in fact born in Hawaii and his parents could have been from Mars (I know, Obami will say I’m from Mars) but it doesn’t matter.

How could there possibly be a problem with doing that?

By Taxpayer

December 11, 2008 5:47 PM | Link to this

Jay,

I do hope that you will leave this thread open for as long as the birthers feel a need to revisit this most serious and relevant issue. Just imagine if one day someone discovers that Jay’s parents are not aliens at all, for example, and that he doesn’t really lose his powers when exposed to green kryptonite. We could all read about it first right here. What if new facts are uncovered about his blood type or about his real middle name being…no, I better not bring up that little known detail…forget I even said that, just forget it. Don’t even think about it, I never said anything about it, never.

By catlady

December 11, 2008 5:56 PM | Link to this

Did you say “birthers?” I though you said (John) BIRCHERs!

By AJC/DNC Management

December 11, 2008 6:14 PM | Link to this

DENVER — 8/28/08- Sen. Barack Obama’s campaign organized its supporters Wednesday night to confront Tribune-owned WGN-AM in Chicago for having a critic of the Illinois Democrat on its air. (Listen to the interview.)

Heil Hitler!

Yes we can!

By catlady

December 11, 2008 6:17 PM | Link to this

Actually, when the folks start talking about this, I want to start talking about Sarah Palin and the birth records associated with her. Like, was she actually married to her husband when her first son was conceived? Is there proof that her last “son” is really hers? Blah, blah, blah.

BTW, Jay, I have all these years thought it was “hold your peace.” It is really “piece?”

By catlady

December 11, 2008 6:21 PM | Link to this

Oh, yeah, I want to see Bush’s “missing” service records, too!

By GOP is gone

December 11, 2008 6:23 PM | Link to this

The Corporal bolds every other word so that he can easily find and admire his self inflated egotistical writing.

He is his biggist fan.

By sunshine and thunder

December 11, 2008 6:24 PM | Link to this

JAY

You wrote:

This will be the last thread on which birther nonsense can be posted. From here on out, it will be deleted.

ROTFLMAO!!

This from the guy who started forty eleven threads bashing Sarah Palin.

I never did figure out why she threatened you libs so much. I still say it’s because she kills, dresses and eats her own food while the Obamas of the world swap food stamps for votes. Or it could be because she doesn’t abort babies and raises a family while leading a state.

(Stamping my feet)Gloria Steinham said you couldn’t do that, dammit!

Either way there was a time when you were starting three or four threads a day about her. LOL! That’s either the sign of a sick mind or a paranoid one.

Oh and BTW, that sort of obsession doesn’t hold a candle to the “birther” nonsense.

The reason the Constitution made American birth mandatory for the POTUS is because, at the time it was written, there was a real possibility of electing some British citizen who was loyal to the crown.

IMHO it probably should not be the law of the land anyway.

Maybe we should just outlaw electing democrats from Chicago.

By AJC/DNC Management

December 11, 2008 6:29 PM | Link to this

Censorship was rampant throughout Nazi Germany. Censorship ensured that Germans could only see what the Nazi hierarchy wanted people to see, hear what they wanted them to hear and read only what the Nazis deemed acceptable. The Nazi police dealt with anyone who went outside of these boundaries. Censorship dominated the lives of the ordinary citizen in Nazi Germany.

The prime mover in censorship was the Minister of Propaganda, Joseph Goebbels. It was his responsibility to see that the German people were fed with material acceptable to the Nazi state. Newspapers, radio and all forms of media were put under the control of the Nazis. Even the film industry became controlled by the Nazis where the leading light was Leni Riefenstahl - who, though favoured by Hitler, did not enjoy a good relationship with Goebbels. Even telling jokes about Hitler became a serious offence - one to send you to the concentration camps and potentially death.

Aahhh, yes, the jackboots goosestep through the streets once again.

Welcome to Amerikkka!

Yes we can!

By Taxpayer

December 11, 2008 6:46 PM | Link to this

It won’t be much longer now. Our plan is coming together. Just be patient. Once Obama is sworn in we will allow the Republicans to find the special birth certificate that has been safely hidden away all this time. They’ll quickly realize that the law will have to be changed to allow Obama to legally remain president. Then, in the next election, we will run the Republican plant, Arnold, and our plan will finally come to fruition. Ah HA HA HA HA HAAAAAAA.

By Midori

December 11, 2008 6:46 PM | Link to this

Bush reflects on struggle with alcohol

so when is he going to tell us the name of his coke supplier?

By AJC/DNC Management

December 11, 2008 7:09 PM | Link to this

By catlady December 11, 2008 6:17 PM BTW, Jay, I have all these years thought it was “hold your peace.” It is really “piece?”

Good catch, catlady, I guess one gets nervous after the democrat National KKKomittee calls and tells you that your blog is not following the guidelines approved by the State, apparently you lose your ability to spell, hopefully we also didn’t lose control of our bowels.

~~~~~

Does anyone else find it rather annoying that on a blog that you have just been told not to further certain substantiated rumors about a president elect, i r o diM regurgitates a rumor about a sitting president doing coke, even considering that said president elect admitted to being a cokehead in his own book?

I mean, really, is there any thought on the left anymore?

By AJC/DNC Management

December 11, 2008 7:19 PM | Link to this

Internet censorship in the People’s Republic of China is conducted under a wide variety of laws and administrative regulations. In accordance with these laws, more than sixty Internet regulations have been made by the People’s Republic of China (PRC) government, and censorship systems are vigorously implemented by provincial branches of state-owned ISPs, business companies, and organizations.

The escalation of the government’s effort to neutralize critical online opinion comes after a series of large anti-Japanese, anti-pollution and anti-corruption protests, many of which were organized or publicized using instant messaging services, chat rooms, and text messages. The size of the Internet police is estimated at more than 30,000. Critical comments appearing on Internet forums, blogs, and major portals such as Sohu and Sina usually are erased within minutes.

Heil Hitler!

Yes we can!

By Midori

December 11, 2008 7:23 PM | Link to this

Andy - I’ve asked you to stop calling me names.

This is at least the 10th time that I’ve asked this of you.

It says everything about you and nothing about me that you can’t make a valid point without resorting to name calling. That’s all you have in your arsenal. No wit. No truth. No point. Only name calling.

It’s not my fault that the incompetent drunk has a coke habit. Much like you have a nasty habit of calling people names.

Is that all you’ve got? is that the best you can do?

You’re all over this blog throwing grenades and having a hissy fit because Jay has thrown down the gauntlet.

What’s the matter? Can’t take it?

You post story after immaterial story — reaching back into the summer — about Obama. Stories that have absolutely no point or value, no rhyme or reason, and you have the nerve to attack me?

You and Bush were made for each other. Is that why you defend him so vociferously? Peas in a pod? The butt of each and every joke?

You’re not man enough to empty Obama’s ash tray. Or clean my cat’s litter box.

By AJC/DNC Management

December 11, 2008 7:31 PM | Link to this

i r o diM: I told you I was dyslexic, what?

Throwing down the gauntlet, eh? I remember the same blog god babbling on and on about Bushie shredding the Constitution but yet for some reason I can’t recall Bush ever telling everybody to quit calling him a cokehead or else.

Maybe because Bush is a man?

By "The Corporal"

December 11, 2008 7:32 PM | Link to this

Swami Dave

Tell that to all the attorneys who will try to prove standing for their clients. This could be nipped in the bud if Aytch would just do it.

Cat Lady

“Oh, yeah, I want to see Bush’s “missing” service records, too!”

If I remember correctly, Bush told them to release them. It was the military who couldn’t find them. That had nothing to do with citizenship but it would be akin to Aytch naming the hospital and then the hospital saying they couldn’t find the records. We’re not there yet. Apples and Oranges.

GOP is gone

That’s one reason. I can find my posts faster so I can respond to yours faster.

To all my liberal friends

You keep coming back at me with subject changes, humor or personal attacks but no one seems to have the guts to address my 5:45pm - even JAY.

It’s a simple question.

What hospital was he born in.

Aytch promised TRANSPARENCY on everything. Where is it?

By Midori

December 11, 2008 7:38 PM | Link to this

“President Bush has done more for black people than anybody else in the history of this country… If he wasn’t such a screw up, this (election of Obama) never would have happened.”

By Midori

December 11, 2008 7:44 PM | Link to this

What’s wrong Andy?

Bush won’t give you any of his coke?

Maybe you didn’t beg hard enough.

What depths must you sink to in order to support your habit?

Is that why you’re mad at me?

Is that why you’re sore?

I think your anger is directed at the wrong person.

I’ll bet between the two of you, you could snort up Peru.

And that using one nostril between the both of you.

You can’t even lie right.

By GOP is gone

December 11, 2008 7:47 PM | Link to this

Corporal, no one else gives a sh!t about your stupid question, that’s why

By "The Corporal"

December 11, 2008 7:50 PM | Link to this

GOP is gone

Hey, you’re hurting my feelings.

Read the title of this blog. Why are you on here?

By "The Corporal"

December 11, 2008 8:48 PM | Link to this

P.S.

I’m changing my question.

Why won’t Aytch tell us what hospital he was born in.

Is there anyone out there ashamed of the hospital they were born in? Is there some issue here?

The Corporal Mt. Sinai Hospital, Cleveland, Ohio, 8:15am 4/30/47

Come on Aytch !!

By "The Corporal"

December 11, 2008 8:51 PM | Link to this

P.S. to Jay

What hospital were you born in?

Midori?

Obami?

Mrs. G?

GodHatesTrash?

GOPisgone?

AJC/DNC?

Taxpayer?

getalife?

DB/Gwinnetian?

By Frederick Douglass

December 11, 2008 8:53 PM | Link to this

Wouldn’t it be just perfect for the right to get Obama disqualified on a technical matter, birth certificate, associations, church affiliations ect. Then until the end of time, it could always be brought up when an African American tried to attain something above his station, “you remember when that old Obama boy slipped up”? I’m glad this Blago situation is playing out the way it is, because whichever way the cookie crumbles, we’ll in some measure put to rest Obama’s supposed Chicago corrupt connections, either he’s in or he’s out. Maybe McCain/Palin could be installed as de facto prez and VP if Obama’s out of the way, maybe this country could be rolled back to 1958. Heck who knows, maybe all of us African Americans could be ruled non-citizens.

By "The Corporal"

December 11, 2008 9:12 PM | Link to this

To Frederick Douglas

A couple of points sir:

1) An African American president has been long over due and I have been waiting to vote for one. I had just hoped he would be a Republican.

2) If Obama was born in Kenya and is not a U.S. citizen, it would NOT be a technical matter. The highest office in the land is not to be taken lightly - it is a Constitutional matter.

3) If he had missed the cut off date for his age by one day, what would have happened? Would he have had to wait for years or would it be o.k. to fudge his birthdate?

4) The Constitution is a legal document, a contract, between the American people and their government. It is not to be cheapened for anyone or any reason.

5) Finally sir, I will ask you. No one else will do so. Why won’t he just state for the record the name of the hospital he was born in. Is that such an impossible question to answer?

By ByteMe

December 11, 2008 9:22 PM | Link to this

Corporal: looking at the Republican convention, I don’t think there are many black Republicans. Or young ones for that matter. Buncha old pasty white folks there in Minneapolis.

And Alan Keyes doesn’t really count, because he’s not from this planet.

By Taxpayer

December 11, 2008 9:25 PM | Link to this

Here’s a suggestion, Corporal. Write him a letter and request the information. Send it certified just to be sure that he gets it. Send him an e-mail. Heck, send every Congressperson an e-mail. Send all of your contacts in Washington an e-mail. Pull some strings. Call in some favors. Get on the phone and talk to some of those special people you know. Remind each of them of the time that you almost took a bullet for them or at least you would have if one had ever come your way. Tell them about your years of service and how you deserve to know. Call your General buddies and invite them over for drinks. Get them drunk and then start grilling them. Water board them if you have to but don’t give up. Fight, Corporal. Fight for the right to know what no man has known before. Who is this man, Obama. Who.

By "The Corporal"

December 11, 2008 9:37 PM | Link to this

Byteme

I had hoped Powell would run or Watts or even Condi as V.P. but ………….

While we’re on that subject, where were all of the black Democrats who had much, much more experience than Obama. Is he the only one the Democrats could come up with? With all that you have? Shame.

To Taxpayer

Aytch and his staff have been asked many times. It’s a two word reply that would take two seconds.

Reminds me of the many times I would ask a counterfeiting suspect, “we’re you in such and such mall yesterday about 5pm”? The suspect didn’t have to answer that question and they usually didn’t. But their non-answer spoke volumes and as a result the investigation for the truth continued.

By Frederick Douglass

December 11, 2008 9:42 PM | Link to this

Corporal, if you’d vote for an African American republican, then you’re definitely in the minority. Apparently you didn’t witness the fervor at many of the McCain/Palin rallies. Its quite a leap for me to imagine your party going from talk of beheadings to nominating a minority candidate.

By ByteMe

December 11, 2008 9:45 PM | Link to this

Corporal: Powell thought about running and decided he’d rather endorse Obama. Condi wants a well-deserved break. Watts is an interesting person, no doubt. Not sure what he’s been up to since he left office.

But I seriously doubt ANY black Republican could win a national election given the lily white demographics of the Republican party and the need to survive the primaries.

By Midori

December 11, 2008 9:48 PM | Link to this

Corporal,

don’t take this the wrong way, but I think you’re either senile, or certifiably insane.

You keep repeating the same manifesto over and over again. And each time you repeat it, you look crazier and crazier.

Like Steve McQueen character in Papillon — when he was locked up in solitary and starving on Devil’s Island.

YIKES!!

P.S. - I wasn’t born in the hospital.

By big burtha

December 11, 2008 10:29 PM | Link to this

good job Corporal.

good stuff!

By ByteMe

December 11, 2008 10:40 PM | Link to this

BTW, Corporal, when you run out of Birther material, let’s chat about how the Bible can be used to justify slavery and stoning adulterers to death. Good stuff!

By "The Corporal"

December 11, 2008 10:50 PM | Link to this

Midori

I know why you think the way you do. No hard feelings. It’s o.k. because you don’t really understand my background.

1) I’m not crazy or senile (yet). It’s just my training and lifelong career. You are taught to ask the same questions over and over again to suspects. Wear them down. Keep at it. Keep coming back and back and back. Don’t you watch cop shows? Many will eventually give up the information you want. It takes persistance. The guys who were really good at solving cases never gave up on the pressure ………..

Now, does that help ?

2) But you were born in the U.S. right? That’s all we’re trying to establish here.

3) By the way. Did you ever read the Berg vs. Obama affidavit? It’s not that long and you really should. Remember, the Supreme Court turned it down because they determined Berg did not have standing - not on its merits. Once Obama is sworn in and signs his first bill into law, millions will have “standing”.

http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/pennsylvania/paedce/2:2008cv04083/281573/1/

By "The Corporal"

December 11, 2008 10:51 PM | Link to this

To Big Burtha

Thank you ma’am ……….

Welcome aboard.

By Midori

December 11, 2008 10:53 PM | Link to this

Corporal,

please stay away from sharp objects.

By "The Corporal"

December 11, 2008 11:06 PM | Link to this

To Midori

Here I try to be nice and give you a good explanation and that is what I get? We should be able to have an adult debate.

Now who is being a little odd now ?

To ByteMe

Oh, I would love to because you know:

1) The Apostle Paul strongly condemned the slave trade. Surely you know what he called slavetraders and the category of people he put them in.

1 Timothy 1:10 (New International Version)… for adulterers and perverts, for slave traders and liars and perjurers — and for whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine.

2) And of course Jesus told the woman taken in adultery (that the Jewish leaders were getting ready to stone under O.T. law), “neither to I condemn you (by stoning) but go and sin no more.”

3) I’m ready. Scripture and verse please and we’ll hash it out.

By ByteMe

December 11, 2008 11:30 PM | Link to this

Paul might condemned the slave trade, but there’s LOTS of other folks in the Bible — old and new — who had them nonetheless.

And you think maybe the “New International Version” was written by man? Could it be wrong? Is that a possibility? Could the “King James” version also be wrong in its interpretation of the original language constructs?

Jesus also had no trouble creating family out of the misfits and outcasts in society. The same folks “good Christians” like to condemn these days.

By "The Corporal"

December 12, 2008 12:34 AM | Link to this

To ByteMe

Thanks for your reply:

1) The Bible was written by man but inspired by the Holy Spirit. The O.T. was originally written in Hebrew and the N.T. in Greek. The Dead Sea Scrolls proved how accurate the O.T. Translations are. We have many parchments and pieces of the N.T. in Greek going back to within just a few years extant of the original manuscripts. Once you get to about 50 years out (about 125 A.D.) we have the entire N.T.

By comparison, the next best example is the Illiad by Homer. The time frame between the original manuscript (lost to antiquity) and the earliest copy is 500 years! Yet no one questions its accuracy.

Modern translations by scholars are the best ever……even more accurate than the King James. If God left us His Word (and I believe He did) I also think He left it accurately. God is a God of order not confusion.

2) One must distinguish between the O.T. (the age of Law) and the N.T. (the age of Grace). God gave the Law to show man they could not keep it and then sent the Messiah (Jesus) to show the way of Grace. O.T. laws were harsh. God gets to make the rules. Jesus came to show Grace and the N.T. proclaims the difference. We live under Grace now ….. not Law.

3) Any verse taken out of context is no text.

An elementary example. What does the verse “lay hands suddenly on no man” mean? Don’t grab someone or you will get in a fight? No. Read it in it’s context and it means to not ordain (the laying on of hands) someone as a deacon or pastor without testing and watching them first.

Also, is the verse in question to be taken literally, symbolically or is it typology. Sometimes there are dual applications.

4) Slavery was a world-wide reality in the days of Paul. A lot of people even sold themselves into slavery to keep from starving. Paul did not preach rebellion. He counseled slaves to work for their masters as they would for God and they would be rewarded. He counseled slave owners to treat their slaves with compassion as brothers in Christ knowing that they too had a Master in Heaven who would hold them accountable. In a day when the goverment did nothing for people, that type of society was better than starving, etc. At the same time he condemned the “slave trade”. You must judge it by its time in history.

5) Jesus welcomed all who would come to Him on His terms. “I am the way the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” “Except ye believe in Me, you are dead in your sins.” Pretty narrow minded.

He loved all including the outcasts but He called it like it was ……… thus He told the woman taken in adultery to go and sin no more. Sin? Yes, He used that word often.

How about this? We know that the disciples were an tough lot. At least two were thieves (Judas Iscariot stole from their money bag and Matthew was a tax collector for the Romans). One was a brawler (Peter) with a foul mouth. One was a Zealot (part of the resistance who killed Romans). Do you think a couple cheated on their wives? Probably. Do you think one might have been Homosexual? Possible.

But guess what? They all left their life of sin to follow Him …….. they never became perfect (just forgiven) but they worked at it.

6) Good Christians realize they are sinners also but try to tell the truth in love as Jesus did. To not do so is to betray the Gospel.

II Timothy 4:3 “For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.”

7) I will happy to continue this discussion with you on this blog subject as long as you want to but :

a) Be aware that Jay may censor us (even though he likes you as a liberal) because he doesn’t want his sites discussing religion, etc.

b) I will only do so if we have reasonably polite debate and respect each other’s views.

c) I am a Southern Baptist Deacon who has taught adult Sunday School for 40 years. That doesn’t mean I know everything - far from it - but it does mean come prepared for class ……….. and be willing to change your mind and accept truth when you see it …………….. :o)

By drew

December 12, 2008 6:17 AM | Link to this

ByteMe…don’t get the Corporal started on religion. If he’s as anal about religion as he is about Obama’s place of birth, he’ll end up using all the bandwidth. I mean, just check out his last post. Don’t get him started.

Now I will attempt to break the Corporals secret “bold code”:

Written inspired, Dead Sea Scrolls extant out of context no text context ordain go and sin no more sin? Thieves brawl, Zealot cheated Homosexual, they all left their life of sin perfect. Good Christians truth in love this Jay. Far from it come prepared.

Hmmmm…OK that’s a start. Now let me go get my secret decoder ring and see if I make any sense of it.

BWAH!!!

By spankmonkey

December 12, 2008 6:20 AM | Link to this

Coporal, the lawyers will grab ahold of this birther thing and not let go because ____ is going to pay them to do this. (please fill in the blank) NOT because they are driven to this from some sort of internal lawyerly urgings…

If his Mom was Hawaiian, then H is American.

Man, are you wingnuts in for a suprise in 30 years when the child born of an illegal immigrant will be up there for the swearing in on Jan 20…

Anyway, it’s Jay’s blog, Jay’s rules… go start your own Hconspiracy blog and you and Andy can cut-n-paste and selectively bold blog posts back and forth all day.

BTW the Illiad was a fable, what does that make the bible? I’m having a hard time with some of your statements. Being Southern Baptist then you believe that the bible is the * literal* word of god, not pages written by man?

By spankmonkey

December 12, 2008 6:46 AM | Link to this

Why do you always take two Southern Baptists with you when you go fishing???

Answer: Cause if you only take one, he’ll drink all your beer!!!

By GodHatesTrash

December 12, 2008 6:48 AM | Link to this

Let’s face it, the first part of the Bible is mostly the history of a smallish tribe of goatherders in the desert, mixed with mythology and fantasy.

The second part is 4 poorly written confusing fiction stories about the same thing that contradict each other, followed by the navel gazing of a bunch of huckster priests.

No amount of bold text can convince sane thoughtful people otherwise…

By Taxpayer

December 12, 2008 7:02 AM | Link to this

Corporal,

I didn’t say anything about how many times someone else has tried to get the information you seek. I gave you suggestions on how to acquire the information on your own. Now, prove to me that you have exhausted all possible avenues on your own and then let’s talk about the need to try and overrule the Supreme Court.

By spankmonkey

December 12, 2008 7:17 AM | Link to this

By the way, I couldn’t tell you the name of the hospital I was born in. It’s an American Air Force hospital outside Paris, in a town called Deols.

I don’t know the name of the place, and I doubt they have any existing record of my birth in 1965.

By Taxpayer

December 12, 2008 8:10 AM | Link to this

I was born and raised right here in Georgia. I was born in a hospital like many white people were at the time. Of course anyone that knows anything about the south also knows that blacks had a hard enough time finding a seat on a bus or a stool at a counter or a water fountain or bathroom to use. Hospitals catered to people with money first, whites second and blacks rarely. There were plenty of poor whites in the south that gave birth at home and a whole lot of blacks that did the same. The most common record of birth was what one found printed on those reserved pages in the family bible. That’s the way it was pretty much up into the ’60s in most of the south. It was about that time that the Federal government stepped in and brought the sad news to most folks that we were starting to lose the war of northern aggression. To this day, some military types struggle with accepting this fact so we try to console them and aid them with a bent ear in their twilight years.

By "The Corporal"

December 12, 2008 9:15 AM | Link to this

To Drew, Spankmonkey & GodHatesTrash

I know you guys won’t understand this, but your words are music to my ears:

“Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, … and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.”

To Taxpayer and Spankmonkey

Many people were never told or can remember the name of the hospital they were born in. That’s not unusual.

So all he has to say is “it was this one, or I don’t know, or they told me I was born at home”. Easy enough.

I’m just really upset that I won’t be able to contribute to Aytch’s birth hospital historical plaque. We have nowhere to put it …………. :o(

By GodHatesTrash

December 12, 2008 9:58 AM | Link to this

Just a thought:

Paul wanted Christians to evangelize, not make blowhard buffoons of themselves and their religion.

By "The Corporal"

December 12, 2008 11:24 AM | Link to this

To GodHatesTrash

That point has some validity.

1) And why did he want them to evangelize?

20 And since you brought up Paul, I assume you agree with his instructions to his young disciple Timothy:

“1In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge: 2Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage — with great patience and careful instruction.”

I too accept that charge and sometimes that means correcting and rebuking always based on God’s Word.

By Midori

December 12, 2008 11:45 AM | Link to this

Corporal,

I’d get more intelligent debate from this club sandwich I’m eating than I could ever hope to get from you.

By "The Corporal"

December 12, 2008 11:48 AM | Link to this

Midori

That’s not nice. I try to stay away from personal attacks but your choice as always.

Have a nice day and God bless.

By Midori

December 12, 2008 11:53 AM | Link to this

Corporal,

the club sandwich wishes you a nice day as well.