Jay Bookman

By Abomi Nation

December 3, 2008 4:45 PM | Link to this

2008 Scoreboard

President- Pick-up for Democrats.

House- Democrats pick up 20 seats.

Senate- Democrats pick up 7 seats.

What is the message? Its rather obvious.

By getalife

December 3, 2008 4:52 PM | Link to this

GA voters sent the wrong message of no accountability for failure.

The rest of America told the gop you are fired.

By Mr Snarky

December 3, 2008 4:54 PM | Link to this

I’m not surprised that Saxby won. I’m also not surprised that conservatives want to pump up themselves that their victory sent a “message” that they need to cling to the principles of Reagan.

Denial…it’s not just a river in Egypt.

By @@

December 3, 2008 4:58 PM | Link to this

The fact that Jim Martin was able to push this to a runoff in the first place was the surprise.

Well I know that’s true, jay.

When all he had going for him was that stupid T-Shirt with the leftward pointing finger and the slogan that read………

“I’m with Barack!”

By Class of '98

December 3, 2008 4:58 PM | Link to this

Jay, Saxby won because black Georgians didn’t care about this election like they cared about the presidential election.

Like i wrote a week ago, this result was aa foregone conclusion.

By Tell It Like It Is

December 3, 2008 5:08 PM | Link to this

Sasby should be good at filbuster just like all good ole boys. Its easy for him to run his mouth and say nothing. He has always done this. Lets see how he and the other republican wind blowers manage to get funding, grants and other economic goodies from Washington at a time when Georgia really needs it. I bet they will learn to compromise like all good politicians do.

Georgia,Alabama,Missisippi,Lousianna,Arkansas,Tennessee and Kentucky are not revelant in the big scheme of things. Democrats won without these states. I just hope that some of the Supreme Court justices leave the court over the next 8 years(notice that Palin will not beat Obama in 2012). Oh Happy Day!!!!

By Midori

December 3, 2008 5:10 PM | Link to this

Yeah, they sent a message all right: Georgia is stuck on stupid.

By RW-(the original)

December 3, 2008 5:17 PM | Link to this

This really says far less about Jim Martin than it does about Obama’s coattails and Obama won’t be on any ballots in 2010.

By RealityKing

December 3, 2008 5:26 PM | Link to this

Yes, Georgia is sending a very clear message. The same message that our fore-fathers sent to England 230 years ago..

Self-reliability works better than the known failures of massive government mandated wealth redistribution!!

By AJC/DNC Management

December 3, 2008 5:31 PM | Link to this

When 1.25 million Repugs come out for a run off election, the message has been sent.

Loud and clear.

Georgia Secretary of State Karen Handel did not predict turnout for the contest, but the 1992 runoff attracted about 1.2 million voters

Total voters.

This time around there were more Repugs than the last count of Cons and dims.

By Taxpayer

December 3, 2008 5:31 PM | Link to this

I think the completion of this election calls for one of those special sayings in order to properly acknowledge the Republican’s most valiant efforts — ‘Tis only a flesh wound.

Salu’te.

By AJC/DNC Management

December 3, 2008 5:35 PM | Link to this

By getalife December 3, 2008 4:52 PM The rest of America told the gop you are fired.

Be serious, Gitmo, geez.

The democrat voters don’t even know who is in charge of Congress, slobbering dullards all, they just pulled the lever next to the pop star’s name.

Probably had to bring a cheat sheet with them too.

By Soixante huitard

December 3, 2008 5:42 PM | Link to this

Did it send a message?

Sure it sent a message.

And the message is: GOP = provincial party of limited power and significance.

By GodHatesTrash

December 3, 2008 5:43 PM | Link to this

Georgia Re-elects Shameless Chickenhawk Trash

Yup, sky is still blue on a sunny day, and water is still wet.

Dog bites man.

Nothing new-sy here.

By RealityKing

December 3, 2008 5:46 PM | Link to this

Chambliss’ mandate is very clear too. Block the divisive liberals looking to force the progressive agenda down America’s throat.

NO to industry bailouts NO to abandoning Iraq and Afghanistan NO to massive military cuts NO to massive new treasury funded handouts NO to massive new healthcare spending NO to wasteful earmarks NO to activist judges NO to the godless progressive agenda NO to new gas taxes NO to the VAT

NO, NO, NO to big O. And the louder Jay screams…, the happier real Georgia will be with their Senator.

By AJC/DNC Management

December 3, 2008 5:46 PM | Link to this

By Tell It Like It Is December 3, 2008 5:08 PM Lets see how he and the other republican wind blowers manage to get funding, grants and other economic goodies from Washington at a time when Georgia really needs it.

Something tells me there is not going to be very much of China’s money left to throw around.

Bushie gave it to his banking and oil cronies already, hahaha.

The 1 trillion the libs are scheming would probably take the whole country out, we’d be junk bond status the very next day.

Besides which, the democrats live their lives in konstant kkkampaign mode and they already got your vote, dhimmi, into the housing projects with you.

They’ll be raining goodies on Ga. trying to get those votes.

bwa

By GodHatesTrash

December 3, 2008 5:47 PM | Link to this

Message sent:

“We Georgians Are Backwards Bumpkins”

Message received. For the umpteenth million time.

By AMike

December 3, 2008 5:48 PM | Link to this

Chambliss didn’t just win, he won a 15% landslide. That says two things: Sarah Palin gave him a huge boost (as he himself acknowledges) and the Dems are nothing without Obama. Once it dawns on voters that Obama is just another clone of Bush and the House-Dems, then he will be gone too.

By @@

December 3, 2008 5:48 PM | Link to this

Yeah, they sent a message all right: Georgia is stuck on stupid.

That was the message in November’s presidential election, Midori.

Stuck on……stuck with

all the same for the rabid left.

By Swami Dave

December 3, 2008 5:49 PM | Link to this

For me, I would have to say: No. I voted for the candidate that, while not fully in agreement with some of his past votes or actions, I thought would best represent my principles / vision over his next term. I was certainly not attempting to send some kind of message to Democrats or Republicans.

Honestly, I would pose that it was the general election where the Libertarian garnered enough votes to force a runoff in what should have been a “safe” Republican seat when a “message” was being sent.

I suspect that the bigger question is currently unanswerable. Specifically, did yesterday’s vote represent a bulkwart / “firewall” atttempt to continue some influence from the most-recent Republican administrations (and their control) or (like the Fowler-Coverdell race in 1992) might it serve as a harbinger and “first battle” in the 2010 midterms?

Being honest, I suspect that we are probably in too close proximity to the event to correctly gauge which it might be. Events over the next 12-18 months will likely influence what the result might be.

It appears that many Democrats want to diminish the outcome as a blip on the screen while many Republicans are trying to point to it as a grand reversal. My guess is that it is truly somewhere in between. Time will tell.

-Swami Dave

By Frederick Douglass

December 3, 2008 5:50 PM | Link to this

Again the DOW finished on a high note today. Would someone wake me when the socialism starts?

By Paul

December 3, 2008 5:52 PM | Link to this

Message?

McCain won 52-47.

Chambliss won 57-43

One could say those who voted Obama were fine with Chambliss and stayed home.

One could say Chambliss was more popular than Obama.

One could say either. It’d be wrong, but one could say it.

Excitement vs. apathy. The people who care voted and everybody gets represented.

There’s a lesson in there, somewhere.

By Soixante huitard

December 3, 2008 5:52 PM | Link to this

Or, looked at differently, imagine this:

Mr. GOP from Georgia approaches Mr. or Ms. GOP from say Maine or Oregon and says, we’d like to get such and such done.

What sort of arm-twisting power is said GA GOP member going to bring to that equation?

See what I mean.

That’s where the question just what kind of party is GOP comes to the fore. I don’t see GOP-ers in the bubba mould striking lots of fear in fellow GOP-ers from more moderate states (which means most other states).

By getalife

December 3, 2008 5:55 PM | Link to this

Well FD,

The trickle up socialism is going wide open making our country far left.

The gop bs about “center right” is total bs.

By catlady

December 3, 2008 5:57 PM | Link to this

As I noted elsewhere, what this means is that you put an R beside a pig, lipstick or not, and 65% of Georgians will vote for it, no questions asked.

By RealityKing

December 3, 2008 5:57 PM | Link to this

Of course Georgia can now forget about a fair share of that HUGE States bailout coming early in Obama’s liberal legacy. Not that there’s anything wrong with political paybacks…

By jw

December 3, 2008 5:59 PM | Link to this

Wow Georgia, I won’t be visiting your state anytime soon w/ my vacation dollars. You blew it by electing chambliss again. So much for the progress this country was hoping for. Thanks right wing Georgians for setting the country back again. Keep letting those Red necks vote against the countries best interests. Jim in Denver

By Soixante huitard

December 3, 2008 6:00 PM | Link to this

I don’t see GOP-ers in the bubba mould striking lots of fear in fellow GOP-ers from more moderate states (which means most other states).

I meant to add: … after the cruel thrashing they took last month.

Actually, here’s an idea. What is Saxby Chambliss?

He’s a piece of the bat that flew off and remained intact after the bat split into 30 pieces on striking the ball.

He’s an anomaly.

By Paul

December 3, 2008 6:00 PM | Link to this

RealityKing 5:46

Relax. Chambliss voted for the bailout. Obama’s pretty much following the ordained timetable for Iraq withdrawal and will leave response forces in the region. He’s increasing troops in Afghanistan. He’s going to increase military spending. Activist judges? You mean like the judges who found a right for citizens to have guns (read the decision, carefully. Activism at its finest). Healthcare spending increases? About a third goes to promotion, admin, overhead, etc etc so we can change the system, cut it a third and get the same access and level of care as now, right? Or change the present system, keep spending he same and increase access and treatment. Godless Progressive agenda? I think Obama said ‘yes’ to a God-based Progressive agenda. Gas taxes? Okay, I guess you think people who use the roads shouldn’t pay for them. Isn’t that a liberal tenet? VAT – I didn’t even know that was on the table.

By GodHatesTrash

December 3, 2008 6:02 PM | Link to this

Scared of Obama and Ludicrous, 1.2M Bigots in Georgia Vote for Chickenhawk Shameless

No news or surprises there.

By TW

December 3, 2008 6:02 PM | Link to this

Assuming Saxby won’t climb into bed with Obama, the way he did with ‘w,’ what exactly does Saxby think he’s gonna do in Washington?

By Soixante huitard

December 3, 2008 6:04 PM | Link to this

Saxby won’t climb into bed with Obama…

Ooh, now you’re gettin me exdited. :-)

By RealityKing

December 3, 2008 6:05 PM | Link to this

You wouldn’t like it here anyways jw. The water is warm, the taxes are low and the lazy actually want to be left behind…..

By Booger

December 3, 2008 6:10 PM | Link to this

RW says the message is that “Self-reliability works better than the known failures of massive government mandated wealth redistribution!!”

that’s why he voted for Saxby, the Senate’s top champion of subsidies for millionaire farmers and the same guy who voted for the massive bailouts…..

Why are farm subsidies to millionaires not “government-mandated wealth redistribution?”

By RW-(the original)

December 3, 2008 6:14 PM | Link to this

jw aka Jim “Martin” in Denver,

I would offer that blackmailing the voters probably isn’t the most effective electoral strategy, but if you want to use it you really need to use it before the votes have been cast.

By AmVet

December 3, 2008 6:14 PM | Link to this

(CNN) – Republican National Committee Chairman Mike Duncan told CNN he will spend the coming weekend deciding whether to run for another term at the helm of the GOP, and could announce his decision Monday.

If he decides not to run again, Duncan said he would like to drive the kids train around the national Zoo or work at the Creation Museum in his home state of Kentucky.

By RealityKing

December 3, 2008 6:15 PM | Link to this

Did anyone feel too intimidated to or not vote because of the new voter id laws? Not one single case, not even in bumkinpatch or redneckville, Georgia??

Nuff said..

By Abomi Nation

December 3, 2008 6:21 PM | Link to this

Looks like the rest of America is giving Obama a huge thumbs up so far. CNN and Gallup have released similar polls that say Americans are very pleased with Obama’s cabinet picks.

75% approve of Obama’s cabinet picks including 52% of all Republicans. 40% of all Republicans approve of Hillary Clinton as Sec of State, as do 69% of all Americans. 83% approve of Gates retaining his position.

Obama has strengthened his position since the election because of his leadership abilities. He is doing something Bush never did, he is uniting the country. He is setting himself up to be the President of the entire country, not the President of his Party.

Dream on. This Georgia Senate race did not reflect any change whatsoever. It was Georgia being Georgia.

The fact is most Americans can’t wait for the inauguration.

“Somewhere in between?”…….Not even close.

By getalife

December 3, 2008 6:24 PM | Link to this

TW,

Vote no on everything and play golf.

Sweet gig.

By RW-(the original)

December 3, 2008 6:24 PM | Link to this

Booger 6:10,

I would have to say that I agree with the statement you’ve attributed to me, but I didn’t write it so I’ll refrain from taking on the rest of your extrapolation and let the author deal with your query.

By AmVet

December 3, 2008 6:27 PM | Link to this

NO to industry bailouts…

?????????

Socialist Saxby???

MAYBE those OVER $700 Billion…

getalife, methinks that after years of explaining to these nutjobs why they are not and never were, some of the income redistributionist morons in the GOP are FINALLY embarrassed to call themselves “conservative”.

Their new misnomer?

Center-rightists!

They have an identity crisis worse then a dysfunctional, self-obsessed 15 year old girl.

And I just keep laughing my arse off at them…

By AJC/DNC Management

December 3, 2008 6:28 PM | Link to this

Oblahmination- The polls closed yesterday with a 3% lead by Chambliss, he won by 17%.

You still believe the polls?

Geez.

By norman ravitch

December 3, 2008 6:29 PM | Link to this

The message is this: southern Democrats had better make their party more white; Republicans had better try to appeal to non-southerners.

By RW-(the original)

December 3, 2008 6:31 PM | Link to this

Obama has strengthened his position since the election because of his leadership abilities. He is doing something Bush never did, he is uniting the country

Abomi,

That’s an interesting quote on a couple of levels. For about two years we’ve been hearing that the entire country hates President Bush so wouldn’t that also be uniting the country? Another thing Obama has done that Bush never did was violate the US Constitution in making a cabinet pick.

By GodHatesTrash

December 3, 2008 6:32 PM | Link to this

Chickenhawk Chambliss will serve as a constant reminder of the fear and stupidity at the heart of the Georgia electorate.

That people can be so stupid, hatefilled, and paranoid to elect and re-elect scum like Shameless will be a sobering reminder to the rest of the country and the world how barbaric and backwards parts of the USA really are…

By Paul

December 3, 2008 6:37 PM | Link to this

Management

If they don’t believe in polls, they gotta believe in something. Or maybe this works for people who believe in polls?

Ya gotta watch the whole thing.

Link: I do believe

By Paul

December 3, 2008 6:38 PM | Link to this

Abomi

You may want to check Pres Bush’s approval ratings in years past —

By AJC/DNC Management

December 3, 2008 6:41 PM | Link to this

Hey, you pinkkkos made the big time-

Cleland was seeking a second term in 2002 when Chambliss ran against him. Chambliss criticized Cleland’s voting record—specifically, his repeated votes against the legislation that created the Department of Homeland Security. Cleland and fellow Democrats objected to provisions in the law that gave the new department more flexibility vis-à-vis union work rules. Chambliss accused Cleland of cravenly pandering to special interests.

Democrats, unable to defend Cleland’s position on the merits, falsely accused Chambliss of questioning Cleland’s patriotism—and thereby introduced into the debate the notion that Cleland’s patriotism was in question.

This year, Democrats hoped to exact revenge for Cleland’s 2002 loss by defeating Chambliss. Had Martin prevailed, there’s little doubt his fellow Democrats would have claimed vindication for their McCarthyite effort to smear Cleland as a man whose patriotism is in question. Chambliss’s win therefore should be seen as a victory for civility and decency in politics.-Wall Street Journal

By GodHatesTrash

December 3, 2008 6:44 PM | Link to this

Hey Ray,

Boo!

By getalife

December 3, 2008 6:44 PM | Link to this

I heard that Clinton invited Dubya and Laura to the White House prior to the 2001 Inauguration. When Dubya entered Clinton ‘s personal bathroom, he was astonished to see that Clinton had a solid gold urinal.

That afternoon, George told his wife, Laura, about the urinal. ‘Just think,’ he said, ‘when I am president, I could have a gold urinal too. But I wouldn’t do something that self-indulgent!’

Later when Laura had lunch with Hillary at her tour of the White House, she told Hillary how impressed George had been at his discovery of the fact that, in the President’s private bathroom, the President had a gold urinal.

That evening, when Bill and Hillary were getting ready for bed, Hillary smiled, and said to Bill … “I found out who pis-sed in your Saxophone.”

By Abomi Nation

December 3, 2008 6:45 PM | Link to this

AJC/DNC, if you look hard enough maybe you can post an outdated poll to make Obama’s popularity look worse than it really is. Just like you did with that rediculous Palin poll you tried to recycle last week.

RW- For about two years we’ve been hearing that the entire country hates President Bush so wouldn’t that also be uniting the country?

Good one!

As for violating the Constitution with the Hillary pick, ask the Nixon people how easy that is to fix.

By RW-(the original)

December 3, 2008 6:56 PM | Link to this

Abomi,

Bill violated the same article/section of the Constitution so within in the family they’ve pretty much trampled that one.

By Midori

December 3, 2008 6:56 PM | Link to this

Ray -

seems you have some serious issues.

YIKES

By AF

December 3, 2008 6:57 PM | Link to this

There is no esoteric message in Georgia re-electing Saxby. It is just more of the same message - Georgia elects Repubs no matter how bad they are. What th election really means is the Repubs can block anything they don’t like, which is anything that isn’t far right.

Well, we will see if the rest of country can vote out some more Repubs as time goes on and they continue to screw up.

By AJC/DNC Management

December 3, 2008 6:57 PM | Link to this

Paul: They are fairies, they are, they are.

By @@

December 3, 2008 6:58 PM | Link to this

Alrighty! so the election is all but over except for the Freaky Franken in Minneapolis.

This can’t be good for Ahmadenijad:

Iran: Oil Prices Force Budget Adjustments - Ahmadinejad December 3, 2008 1527 GMT For the first time, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has acknowledged publicly that the country’s economy is being damaged by the falling price of oil. The official IRNA news agency cited the president, who is seeking re-election in June 2009, as saying the government will be forced to amend its budget, resetting expectations on oil revenues to $30 per barrel. Tehran also will cut spending and social subsidies, and raise taxes, reports stated.

And Hugo’s going for the constitutional amendment lifting presidential term limits again.

Venezuelan student organizations are organizing a campaign against Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez’s plan to introduce a national referendum eliminating presidential term limits, El Universal reported Dec. 3. The students have announced that they will hold public protests as well as initiate an educational campaign across the country. Particular focus of the educational campaign will be on areas of the country that voted in favor of the Dec. 2007 constitutional referendum that presented Venezuelans with the term limits question, among many other proposed constitutional changes.

PBS did a piece about a week ago on “Hugo’s Venezuela”. It wasn’t pretty.

By Abomi Nation

December 3, 2008 6:58 PM | Link to this

Paul as I said 75% of all Americans approve of Obama’s cabinet picks which is 16% higher than those in favor of then President-elect Bush’s Cabinet picks eight years ago.

By AmVet

December 3, 2008 7:04 PM | Link to this

Abomi, you’re correct.

In an ironic twist of fate Robert Bork pushed through the Saxbe fix as Nixon AG to get around the Emoluments Clause.

Later, Bork the Dork was to get humiliated in his nomination for the Supreme Court.

Instead of Orrin Hatch.

The issue came up again when as he was leaving office, President George H.W. Bush approved a Saxbe fix so that Lloyd Bentsen could move from the Senate to take the job of Treasury Secretary during the Bill Clinton administration.

The crybaby as usual is dead wrong…

You just gotta love these idiotic Republicans when they do the Plaxico Burress…

By Midori

December 3, 2008 7:04 PM | Link to this

AF: Truer words were never spoken.

They seem to want to stubbonly stay in the minority.

Which is fine by me.

They would elect Satan as long as he meets their qualifications: a hard right jack@ss chickenhawk.

No sweat off my back - or the democratic majority.

Obama and the Democrats will still work to repair this country - with or without the wingnut chickenhawks.

By AmVet

December 3, 2008 7:06 PM | Link to this

Hey! The DJIA was up 172 points today!

I wonder if Andy will attribute it to Saxby’s re-election?

By Ray

December 3, 2008 7:10 PM | Link to this

Midori,

Serious issues? Yup…… lots of them.

By The72John

December 3, 2008 7:12 PM | Link to this

I’m curious…

In the past, Republicans excoriated Democrats for “obstructing” judicial appointments, accused them of outright partisanship for not yielding to the power of the President, and threatened Democrats with dire consequences if they “dared” to filibuster appointees of any sort.

Now, we see the Saxby election held up as the last chance to retain the power of filibuster, presumably to prevent the confirmation of judicial and other appointments.

Is blatant, outright hypocrisy NEW to the Republican party, or are you all just a bunch of self-righteous wankers?

By Paul

December 3, 2008 7:17 PM | Link to this

Abomi 6:58

Thanks for the clarification. I took your comment to refer to uniting county/approval ratings in general.

By Midori

December 3, 2008 7:20 PM | Link to this

Ray,

is there a pill you can take for that?

By AJC/DNC Management

December 3, 2008 7:20 PM | Link to this

I see that the Huff and Puff has activated a new wave of zombies, probably recycled Martin spammers-

By The72John December 3, 2008 7:12 PM In the past, Republicans excoriated Democrats for “obstructing” judicial appointments, accused them of outright partisanship for not yielding to the power of the President, and threatened Democrats with dire consequences if they “dared” to filibuster appointees of any sort.

Funny how the Repugs approved every single solitary KKKlinton judicial appointee and the democrats obstructed nearly all of Bushie’s.

Now you got the nerve to whine?

Payback time.

By Paul

December 3, 2008 7:25 PM | Link to this

Jay

It appears the “Comments” link on your torture column is inop.

Equating watching Benny Hill reruns with torture…. geez….

By RW-(the original)

December 3, 2008 7:25 PM | Link to this

The72John,

If a judicial appointment is qualified the Republicans shouldn’t use the filibuster to block them even if they drastically disagree with the judicial philosophy of the judge and I hope they don’t.

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The crybaby as usual is dead wrong

amvet,

There has been no Constitutional amendment to fix the situation so it’s a fact that under the circumstances of the Secretary of State’s pay being raised while Hillary served as a Senator she’s technically violates the Constitution by moving directly from that body to Secretary of State.

Now what’s up with all the trash talk today? Are you trying to hide behind the proverbial skirts of the host since you know I can’t respond in kind? I’ll be happy to take the discussion to whatever level you want anytime, anyplace but it’s not tolerated here.

By Ray

December 3, 2008 7:33 PM | Link to this

Midori,

No, probably not. Would that it be that easy. Old white guys are having some trouble adjusting. Not sure how many of that 1.2M were in that category but I would guess quite a few. It’s easy to call them names, accuse them of being something that you feel that they should not be….but they have their set of principles that are important to them, just as you do. They see things through different eyes that they feel are not good for our country and they say so. Then they are called names by those that disagree with them, sometimes pretty awful names. What ever happened to honest disagreement without all of the name calling and abuse. Seems like every time that someone has a different opinion with someone else, he/she is an idiot. Just one of the issues…. there are a lot more.

By AJC/DNC Management

December 3, 2008 7:33 PM | Link to this

I agree the Repugs should keep the fillibuster in check and only use it for the real perverted stuff that the libs will be sure to trot out before long, like partial birth murder.

Oblahmi is a butcher with his drill and scissors at the ready, lusty for the blood of babies, sicko.

By Tyler

December 3, 2008 7:39 PM | Link to this

It sent the message that NIETHER party should ever be trusted with a filibuster-proof majority. I voted a straight dem ticket for the 1st time ever…but voted for Saxby in the run-off. Both parties need someone else pulling the brakes.

By AJC/DNC Management

December 3, 2008 7:40 PM | Link to this

I told you, the Repugs are learning-

Elections officials in Minnesota’s largest city today discovered that one precinct came up 133 ballots short of election day totals, resulting in a net loss for Democratic challenger Al Franken of 36 votes.

The development wipes away what had been a boon for Franken in his bid to overtake Republican U.S. Sen. Norm Coleman, after Ramsey County officials found an additional 37 votes for Franken from a Maplewood precinct on Tuesday.

“I looked under my pillow and there they were, honestly.”

By JAY BOOKMAN

December 3, 2008 7:50 PM | Link to this

Commenting upstairs is fixed

• Jay

By Dusty

December 3, 2008 7:53 PM | Link to this

This victory again proves the true significance of the AJC Editorial Board!

Go get them AJC!

By AmVet

December 3, 2008 7:54 PM | Link to this

There has been no Constitutional amendment to fix the situation so it’s a fact that under the circumstances of the Secretary of State’s pay being raised while Hillary served as a Senator she’s technically violates the Constitution by moving directly from that body to Secretary of State.

I completely agree.

Our federal government often tends to ignore or alter much in the US Constitution. And though the precedent goes back to 1909 and the Taft Administration it was Tricky Dick who got the acting AG Bork to ditch it on behalf of the new AG, Saxbe - a US Senator (R-OH).

Even then it was apparently a minor controversy. Because there was no perception that anything intentional had been done to benefit Saxbe, the matter was largely ignored.

They must not have been strict constitutionalists!

my bad on the attitude…

By GaLiberal

December 3, 2008 8:14 PM | Link to this

I agree that getting to a runoff was a big victory for Democrats in Georgia. However, it is very disappointing they didn’t bother to turnout for the runoff. Ol’ Shameless would have still won, but Georgia Democrats would have shown some backbone. Martin was not the ideal candidate, but he was way better than Vernon Jones. I found Rand Knight very appealing, but he is way too liberal for the average bigoted, gun-toting, anti-tax, homophobic Georgia voter. Democrats need to find someone with the visual appeal of Knight with positions that “conservative” voters will not find objectionable. Like a liberal Grand Cyclops. Got any suggestions?

The other point here is that Georgia keeps voting for these thugs and con men that call themselves Republicans. It is not in Georgia’s best interests to keep electing them, but they do it anyway. Georgia just lost a $480 MILLION government lab project so I wonder what else Georgia will lose now that ol’ Shameless is going back for another six years.

It’s been said that insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome. By that standard, Georgia needs to be committed. Maybe in six years Georgia will wake up to the folly of putting people like ol’ Shameless in office. Maybe. But, then again Georgia continues to be 49th in education and doesn’t seem too concerned.

When you vote Rethuglicon, you vote against your own best interests. And re-electing ol’ Shameless is living proof.

By Georgia Sends A Message

December 3, 2008 8:16 PM | Link to this

And that message was: We will oppose Obama’s every move, because when a Democrat is in power, we are nothing more than Contrarians.

By jon

December 3, 2008 8:18 PM | Link to this

I am very pleased with Obama’s selection of the Hildabeast for SoS. Gets her out of the Senate and in front on a confirmation hearing.

By Chad Harris

December 3, 2008 8:24 PM | Link to this

In response to Swami Dave (at the risk of cutting into my research & appraisal of the Victoria Secret Fashion Show) who wrote:

*Chad:

By any objective measure, most all of the “attack” ads by both campaigns in the Chambliss-Martin race were at very best dubious. Supporters of Chambliss can equally point to ads like the “Saxby wants to raise your taxes by 23%” run by the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee as patently dishonest. You & I both know that is a blatant lie by omission targeted to Senator Chambliss’ support of the Fair Tax (which would repeal the 16th amendment at its passage). There is plenty of blame to go around to both campaigns if one wishes to address the tenor & honesty of the campaign advertising.

On Sarah Palin, I will simply state that she STILL has more executive experience than either of the other 3 individuals on the Presidential ticket. I will also refrain from identifying anybody as the “future” of my party right now. There will be alot of time and opportunity for that individual to distinguish themselves over the next couple of years when Republicans have to work with the soon-to-be inaugrated administration (or act in opposition to it).

On President Bush, there are a number of areas with which I have been disappointed. Most recently, its actions in calling for & delivering “bailouts” that largely represent more socialist direction of our country than many Democrats have attempted. Where the administration expanded the welfare state and increased the redistribution of wealth, I opposed them. Where they acted in the best interests of the security of our country or the expansion of our economy, I supported them.

Just as I plan to do for the next administration - support them when they are right; oppose them when they are wrong.*

As to Chambliss’ 527 ads vs. Martin’s (some of which would not have existed if the Wingnuts weren’t afraid of a fillibuster proof majority) one of the main differences was Chambliss’ fair tax proposal is recent vintage; the tax charges against Martin were out of context and the tax raises were not planned in the future for the average Georgian or cititzen of the US—the Obama proposal and I emphasize proposal because it woud have to pass Congress has been as we all know by the imbecility surrounding “Joe the plumber” was to raise taxes on those who make over a quarter million a year.

You brought up Chambliss’ Fair Tax effecting a repeal of the 16th Amendment. It’s not that simple.

Congress cannot just pass a law contradictory to an amendment and repeal it. The reason we have had so few amendments changed (21st repealed the 18th) is becaue the bar to do so is quite difficult to reach.

**There are essentially two ways spelled out in the Constitution for how to propose an amendment. One has never been used.

The first method is for a bill to pass both houses of the legislature, by a two-thirds majority in each. Once the bill has passed both houses, it goes on to the states. This is the route taken by all current amendments. Because of some long outstanding amendments, such as the 27th, Congress will normally put a time limit (typically seven years) for the bill to be approved as an amendment (for example, see the 21st and 22nd).

The second method prescribed is for a Constitutional Convention to be called by two-thirds of the legislatures of the States, and for that Convention to propose one or more amendments. These amendments are then sent to the states to be approved by three-fourths of the legislatures or conventions. This route has never been taken, and there is discussion in political science circles about just how such a convention would be convened, and what kind of changes it would bring about.

Regardless of which of the two proposal routes is taken, the amendment must be ratified, or approved, by three-fourths of states. There are two ways to do this, too. The text of the amendment may specify whether the bill must be passed by the state legislatures or by a state convention. See the Ratification Convention Page for a discussion of the make up of a convention. Amendments are sent to the legislatures of the states by default. Only one amendment, the 21st, specified a convention. In any case, passage by the legislature or convention is by simple majority.

The Constitution, then, spells out four paths for an amendment:

Proposal by convention of states, ratification by state conventions (never used)

Proposal by convention of states, ratification by state legislatures (never used)

Proposal by Congress, ratification by state conventions (used once) Proposal by Congress, ratification by state legislatures (used all other times) It is interesting to note that at no point does the President have a role in the formal amendment>**

It is interesting to note that at no point does the President have a role in the formal amendment process (though he would be free to make his opinion known). He cannot veto an amendment proposal, nor a ratification. This point is clear in Article 5, and was reaffirmed by the Supreme Court in Hollingsworth v Virginia (3 USC 378 [1798]):

“The negative of the President applies only to the ordinary cases of legislation: He has nothing to do with the proposition, or adoption, of amendments to the Constitution.”

On Palin (I’m kind of Palined out) but you’re a bright guy so I’ll make a few quick points.

The most compelling and important point for you all (Republicans/Conservatives however Libertarians you designate what you are politically and the term liberal and conservative is ruined or distorted in a sense by both sides and most AJC commenters and will be for the rest of their lives because it is an over-simplification) continue to talk about her experience versus other individuals on the Presidential ticket. I don’t know who you mean.

It’s not about the “beat into the ground” and in my opinion patently stupid comparisons of anything Palin brings to the table with Biden or Obama as to “expeirence”, it’s about education and the application of that education and judgement.

We can take any field you like—pick one—I don’t care which—while it’s true experience makes a good deal of difference in medicine—the quality and the amount—education quality and training are important components but—judgement and knowing where to get help from whom for what is probably paramount. The same applies to being President of the US.

3 individuals on presidential ticket—are you considering Barr—no comparison. Are you considering Obama—7 years in the Seante and 7 years in the Chicago Senate—or you considering Joe Biden with about 30 years in the Senate and formidiable experience and rapport with leaders of nations Palin couldn’t find on a map without calling a “lifeline”?

Many would argue that there is more executive experience running Harvard Law Review than being Governor of Alaska particularly the way she’s conduting herself. BTW she doesn’t have a pipeline there and it may never happen in her lifetime and much is flawed with what has been done on it thus far.

I’ll just leave it at this. You seem brigth. If you think Palin has any place in national politics or at the table on the future of your party I would pity you if I believed you did. I don’t.

As a matter of odds, I’m telling you if your party puts her anywhere near any Presidential race or Senate race in Alaska, she’s going to lose and lose big.

So I invite “y’all” to do just that.

I can tell you that about 75% of the country thinks that Tina Fey nailed her brilliantly in a number of solid polls, and the same number believe Tina Fey could be an exponentially more competent President than Palin.

Flatly stated, she would not beat Tina Fey in a national eletion period.

She was an embarassment and she insulted most of us.

I have never encountered a woman in my adult professional life who is not exponentially better qualified than Palin for just about any purpose. This includes hopping on a train, a NY subway, and walking up to the window at Chick-Fil-A (as a customer and not behind the counter). Neither have you.

Comparing someone who was a member of the Wasilla Alaska city counsel, and Mayor of Wasilla Alaska smaller than some high schools in large cities in the US, and may have held an office in the PTA and some post in her Church to Obama is ludicrous the word not the campaigner who wrote “Freak in the Bedroom.”

I guess you are considering Palin’s impressive stint as head of the “Fellowship of Chirstian Athletes” as substantive experience, captain of the Alaska 1982 championship girls high school basketball team, or her position in the witch exorcism at her church.

BTW what the f*ck was up when she went through 6 colleges in a short amount of time—did they kick her out after she was knocked up and refused abortion and had to put them up for adoption?

From wiki:

“In 1982, she enrolled at Hawaii Pacific College, but left after her first semester. She transferred to North Idaho community college, where she spent two semesters as a general studies major. From there, she transferred to the University of Idaho for two semesters.[11][12] During this time Palin won the Miss Wasilla Pageant,[13][14] then finished third in the 1984 Miss Alaska pageant,[15]at which she won a college scholarship and the “Miss Congeniality” award. Afterwards, Palin attended the Matanuska-Susitna community college in Alaska for one term. The next year she returned to the University of Idaho where she spent three semesters completing her Bachelor of Science degree in communications-journalism, graduating in 1987.”

Palin did little to get Saxby re-elected, and he’s an idiot for alleging she mattered.

To the extent she had impact is a guage of the sad state of education of adults who voted in Georgia. I can’t change that. I can only do the best I can to continue to educate myself.

I would love to question her on national TV though. It would be a lot more comprehensive than Gibson, Katie or the Fox morons. She would not look good.

On Bush: I’ll link you to a list of his clusterf*cks that is comprehensive and high quality.

On Republicans in the Senate: Surely you’re aware that the fillibuster was used to obstruct after the whined and cried about the Dems use of it before they got Control of the Senate and then turned around and used it far more extensively. You now I have those stats at my fingertips (at least I believe you do by now).

She was a sports reporter for local affiliates in Alaska—considerable exec experience there—Mat-Su Valley sports reporter, and helped in Todd’s “business.”

Bottom line—we’re talking apples and oranges but I’d like you to comit that you you believe she has a place as a candidate anywhere in the future of your party just for my edification and what office and let’s get off Palin. She’s going nowhere that matters to me or anyone else in this country in your lifetime.

By GaLiberal

December 3, 2008 8:32 PM | Link to this

AJC/DNC Management proved why he’s a Rethuglicon boot-licking low-grade moron: Funny how the Repugs approved every single solitary KKKlinton judicial appointee and the democrats obstructed nearly all of Bushie’s.

Clinton reached out across party lines when vetting his judicial nominations. He INCLUDED Rethuglicons in developing the list of potential nominees. In fact, it was a Rethuglicon that suggested Ruth Bader-Ginsburg. The difference with Bush is that he paid lip service to bipartisanship. He picked nominees that were religoNazi extremists. He complete cut out the Democrats from the process and, when they voiced their objections, he sent out is rabid attack dogs of Trent Lott and Tom DeLay. Clinton practiced bipartisanship and was successful in getting his nominations with a shot being fired. Bush could have cared less and in the process created rancor and discontent. No wonder Bush has been a complete disaster for the country.

When you vote Rethuglicon, you vote against your own best interests. And AJC/DNC Management is living proof.

By LD

December 3, 2008 8:36 PM | Link to this

What’s the message? Georgians appreciate honesty in advertising. Martin and the DSCC blatantly lied to Georgians about Chambliss’ support of the Fair Tax, misrepresenting the fact that the Fair Tax is a sales tax increase meant to eliminate income taxes and the favorite power tool of the left, the IRS, and is not an addition to those income taxes. Plus they had the gall to run adds complaining about Saxby voting for the bailout when Pelosi and company backed the minority Republicans in Congress into a corner. I mean, lets remember which party’s been running things on Capitol Hill the last 2 years and utterly lied their way out of any responsibility for the subprime mortgage mess (Dodd and Frank, anyone?? Dems still haven’t admitted their role in the mess, and never will)

This vote indicates Georgians were paying more attention that the democrats gave them credit for, no question.

By Gerald West

December 3, 2008 8:48 PM | Link to this

Yeh, Georgia sent a message: the state is part of Appalachia: ignorant, and proud of it!

Chambliss is being sent back to Washington to obstruct any effort to repair the damage done by the last 8 years of Bush-Cheney-Saxby-Republican incompetence and corruption.

Georgia will suffer more from the economic depression than many other states because we’re also saddled with a know-nothing, do-nothing Republican Governor and Legislature.

Too bad about all the job losses and worthless retirement investments! Hope you’ve got a lot of gold or Swiss francs stashed under the mattress.

By AJC/DNC Management

December 3, 2008 8:50 PM | Link to this

GaLiberal: Orrin Hatch was a bigger freak than even you are:

Unable to force legislation, Hatch developed a policy of frequent consultations with Ranking Democrat Edward Kennedy, and the committee became a hotbed of health legislation and reform on other issues. During this period Hatch won cooperation from Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA), on “orphan drug” legislation, and with Rep. Al Gore (D-TN), on organ transplant legislation. Hatch continued and expanded the anti-smoking work of Sen. Moss, expanding the warning labels on cigarette packages to four more-specific, rotating warnings. Hatch wrote and passed the Home Health Care Act, authorizing Medicare funds to provide health care to people in their homes rather than at hospitals, saving significantly on individual actions and expanding the reach of federal health care assistance. Hatch’s collaborations with Kennedy would continue into the Clinton administration, with the two teaming up to push the State Children’s Health Insurance Program into law in 1997.

GFY (Good for you.)

By Chad Harris

December 3, 2008 8:50 PM | Link to this

For Swami Dave (sorry for the typos—“commit” is the correct spelling).

Bush Scandals List

http://www.netrootsmass.net/hughs-bush-scandals-list/

Prosecuting an Outlaw Administration by Scott Horton (former partner in Judge Mukasey’s law firm before Mukasey played the role of Soprano Sylvio Dante in the current and thankfully days nmbered adminsitration).

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2008/12/0082303

By LD

December 3, 2008 8:52 PM | Link to this

Really, GaLiberal, lets look at the facts:

From 2001 until now Democrats have set records for fillibustering judicial nominees, disregarding precedent set by previous Congresses for straight up and down votes. District and appelate level courts have huge backlogs of cases because judicial spots haven’t been filled. Republicans bent over backwards to negotiate with democrats, and your party has been embarassingly partisan, and in the case of Janice Rodgers Brown and Miguel Estrada racist in blocking them. Your party sent out the attack dogs for Charles Pickering, falsely calling him racist when even the Mississippi NAACP was backing him for appointment because his record is nothing but even handed and exemplary. And you have the nerve to call Republicans Nazis!

Let’s not forget Republicans voted en masse for the most liberal of the current Supreme Court Justices, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, a card carrying ACLU member who never met a pro-abortion arguement or foreign law she didn’t like. You had like zero ground to stand on BEFORE you made your post. Now look at yourself, just another foam at the mouth lib with nothing but sound and fury as your evidence.

By Paul

December 3, 2008 8:53 PM | Link to this

BOSCH

Christiane Amanpour. On Leno. Tonight.

By leni

December 3, 2008 9:03 PM | Link to this

Why has no one defended the honor of Max fragged or stoned Cleland today after the humiliation of Saxby’s second stump the band win?

By AJC/DNC Management

December 3, 2008 9:04 PM | Link to this

Paul: Amanpour is an apologist for al Qaeda and ugly as hell, too.

Am I missing something here?

By One Voice

December 3, 2008 9:05 PM | Link to this

It’s pretty sad that the Republicans’ “saving grace” was winning a runoff in a very red state to keep the Democrats from a super majority after they’d already won the presidency and large majorities in the House and Senate. Okay, so Georgia is about 20 years behind the rest of the country. This we knew.

What’s more important is to remember that Republicans were still winning elections in 2004, which means that most of the Senate seats up for grabs in 2010 are Republican seats. If memory serves correctly, there will be 19 red seats and only 12 blue seats available. In addition, all of the blue seats are considered “safe” seats, and a number of the red seats are in states that are currently blue. It would be surprising if the Democrats did not pick up at least 3 or 4 Senate seats in 2010. Then you know what? Easy super majority and no power at all for the Republicans, regardless of what all the hillbillies in Georgia think. That’s what happens when a party screws up as badly as the Republicans have over the last 8 years.

And please, please, please nominate Palin in 2012. That would ensure the Democrats won’t have a serious challenge until 2016 at the earliest.

By fed up

December 3, 2008 9:13 PM | Link to this

Here comes Chad Harris with his novel about Palin who he professes to despise yet he talks more about her than anything.

By regrettfulGAresident

December 3, 2008 9:17 PM | Link to this

It’s odd that anyone would credit Sarah Palin with helping them win an election when she couldn’t close the deal on her very campaign….. I’m not sure what all the noise is about….it’s been clear for quite sometime that GA is a red state and will vote red during any election. Funny how he found every excuse not to serve his country in the military but now we can’t seem to get rid of him!!! I wonder if Palin was aware that she came to support a coward that wouldn’t serve while her own son is off risking his life?

By AJC/DNC Management

December 3, 2008 9:20 PM | Link to this

One Pinkkko: It’s 19 Repug versus 16 dhimmocrat, but whatever.

Just imagine, Palin, coming to a State near you.

By BT fan

December 3, 2008 9:20 PM | Link to this

ajc speads the story for hard nose Democrats and Liberals, it broadens the spectrum for Republican domination of GA. Conservatives have spoke on the radical and prejudice views of Jay and Cynthia. How many Democrat State and National victories since Cynthia Tucker started ajc parade of LEFTIES??

By Frederick Douglass

December 3, 2008 9:40 PM | Link to this

Who didn’t know that Saxby would garner the angry white man-seeking revenge- against Obama’s win voters?

By AmVet

December 3, 2008 9:49 PM | Link to this

One last comment on Martin’s loss.

Someone earlier noted that it was in large part to the lack of homie turnout.

Quite true…

By One Voice

December 3, 2008 9:52 PM | Link to this

Thanks for the link, Andy. Did you notice that the story corroborated what I said (except for the number of Dem seats)? Even though Republicans will “try” to target Dem seats, the blue ones are likely safe, while it looks like as many as 7 or 8 red seats are wide open. Well, looks like you’ll have plenty to gripe and pout over for the next 8 years. And you won’t have to rationalize Bush’s many failures any more.

And Palin was just in a state near me (the one I live in). I gotta love her. She’ll be the main tool that buries the GOP even further. More dirt on the coffin. I find it amusing that the Repugs are so fervent over the very person who is the most detrimental to their party (but it’s just a repeat of the brain washing you’ve done to yourself for 8 years). News flash: You need reform, not more of the medieval thinking that has damaged America so much and exiled your party to irrelevance. But please, do stick with the archaic ideology.

By Paul

December 3, 2008 9:55 PM | Link to this

AJC/DNC Management

Naw, you don’t miss much. Bosch likes her. I just saw that she’s on Leno tonight and steered him in the right direction.

I gave my assessment of her from Colonel Hackworth’s experience.

But guys are generally a sucker for what they see as a pretty face. No offense, Bosch. Just a statement on the male of the species.

By moonbat betty

December 3, 2008 9:56 PM | Link to this

i, for one, like to watch you moonbat out, one voice…

poor losers

even worse wieners…

By Pe\ter

December 3, 2008 9:59 PM | Link to this

Some day when education matters in THIS STATE……then there will be a different outcome.

Who knows when that will be we have the current Governor cutting education….and spending the money on fish !

Pork Projects are just the way Republican’s like it…and keep the population Dumb !

By AmVet

December 3, 2008 10:02 PM | Link to this

Paul, you are a gentleman.

Some here have commented on her positive posterior camera angles during the VP debate.

By Midori

December 3, 2008 10:08 PM | Link to this

Paul,

but on the other hand, Kelly’s Heroes is on AMC right now.

Now that’s a movie!! :)

By JAY BOOKMAN

December 3, 2008 10:15 PM | Link to this

I concur, Midori.

Funnier than hell. Thanks for the heads up.

By Dr. R

December 3, 2008 10:19 PM | Link to this

The problem here was that Martin is a lightweight. Had the Dems run a serious candidate, they’d have ousted Chambliss, who even Repubs were disenchanted with. But when you can’t put up a real candidate, even a vulnerable seat is out of reach. Maybe with Obama putting up a good number even in a loss this year, some fresh blood will rise up and challenge the majority party. Martin is becoming the Dems’ Guy Millner, the guy who runs for everything but can’t win.

By Swami Dave

December 3, 2008 10:24 PM | Link to this

Chad:

Don’t worry about the typo. At the point that I quit making them, I’ll get self-righteous and use them as “evidence” in a debate.

On the “Fair Tax”: Yes, I recognize that the repeal of the 16th amendment would not be an action of legislation only. However, at the basis for the Fair Tax proposal (which Chambliss supports), is indeed the repeal of the 16th as a objective requirement to instituting something based on the Fair Tax model. Otherwise, the net result would indeed be a 23% consumption tax on top of the existing income taxes that we already pay.

However, as I said, the Chambliss proposal addresses that, Martin & the DSCC both knew that, and they produced and presented the knowingly false ad anyway. It was blatantly dishonest & I do not expect that you are going to try and deny it.

Which plays to my point that the both campaigns were running ads and making accusations against the others that were dubious at best.

On Sarah Palin: I am not going to point to any of the potential candidates as the “future” of our party. I am also not going to disqualify anyone either. Do I think she is responsible for his win? No. My assumption is that he would have won (probably by double digits) whether she came or not.

I would caution you against totally discounting her. Just over 50 months ago, I do not think that anyone would have expected a Illinois State Senator who had yet to win a national office and had the national exposure of one good speech to a convention (who, by the way, also happened to be bi-racial) could have ran and won the Presidency before completing even his first term in the Senate.

Lest we forget, in an interview about 48 months ago, that State Senator stated that he didn’t think he would be ready for the job in 2008 either.

Personally, I’m hoping that history proves him wrong & he is indeed up to the job that he is very soon to have.

On you: I’ll apologize because I’ve enjoyed these discussions. I’d much prefer the policy / legal / principle discussions over blather-basement namecalling anyday. Many times, these threads seem to devolve into something similar to watching 4 year olds in a paint-filled balloon fight laughing at how messy the other team looks with paint dripping into their own every crack & crevice.

-Swami Dave

By AmVet

December 3, 2008 10:47 PM | Link to this

The GOP really is the old white guy party.

By Chad Harris

December 3, 2008 11:31 PM | Link to this

I agree with you Dave as to discussions versus the moronic name calling. During the past few days I’ve noticed that the name calling is overwhelingly your collegues who are Right Wing. They are poorly prepared to discuss facts and have a terribly inaccurate grasp of them. It reminds me of moving Rove and Hughes into the white house to try to spin Bush’s clustefck as anything but a clusterfck.

I wouldn’t make the mistake of comparing Palin and Obama in any respect. To the extent that you do, you are myopically miscalculating and I know that you know there is an exponential difference. Obama succeeded because he is an outstanding candidate and I don’t agree with a number of his choices for cabinet.

I’ve made the point that Palin is poorly qualified and so have the polls. If she runs against Begich in 6 years, she’s dead in the water. Your RNC will make sure she isn’t heard from on the ticket unless they are dumb enough to march her around with the same moronic racial bigotry and silly platitudes that f*** her last month.

I am getting over my anger at being insulted by McCain and his Palin choice. She may not have made any difference in Georgia, but she sure as hell made a difference in the US election of Obama.

I believe he’s gotten his comeuppance. The election turned out the way I wanted. Cindy is all over the web in videos and pics playing kissy face in her California high rise with her washed up rock and roll boyfriends.

Palin has clusterf*cked Alaska and she is being widely dispised at an exponentially growing rate there.

I don’t want to know what went on in your head during the Couric interviews because it isn’t pretty. If you found something to admire in them, we are never going to agree.

You have a lot of collegues here who make wild and crazy statements about the federal Judiciary, numbers in SJC as to confirmations before doing any research or reading to check the facts. Many of us follow the appellate courts closely, and it just reminds me of terrible Georgia education when I swee people making up stats that don’t in fact exist. I’m referring to the crap LD just wrote.

By Chad Harris

December 3, 2008 11:55 PM | Link to this

@ Gerald West/One Voice/Pwrwe—Well said. Best comments I’ve read in weeks @ AJC.

Education obviously doesn’t matter with Perdue—he p** away $6 million on Tamiflu to Rx a pandemic epidemic. Any physician with a betz cell knows that’s stupidity at its purest.

By fed up

December 3, 2008 9:13 PM | Link to this

Here comes Chad Harris with his novel about Palin who he professes to despise yet he talks more about her than anything.

Not true—delusional as always. Try reading what I’ve written here. Much of it has not concerned Palin. You can jerk yourself off with the prosepect that she helps you all you like. And if Palin looked like Jan Reno her name wouldn’t even be known.

Just concentrate your efforts on putting her on any ticket you want to get crushed with.

I pity her. I invite “ya’ll” to nominate her for either Senate in Alaska or national office. Make it easy for us. You’ll be ridiculed and she’ll lose even more decisively than the pathetic McCain-Palin ticket did.

@LD—Did you confuse yourself with Limbaugh or Hannity? Obviously you aren’t a serious student of the federal judiciary or SJC.

Unlike those morons, we’ll call you on spewing crap—particularly when it’s about the federal legal system you don’t begin to understand. Get facts straight before you type.

Everything you said is either false or delusional, partticullary your made up stats on appellate confirmations by SJC.

This is the junk you wrote and below it are the facts;

*Really, GaLiberal, lets look at the facts:

From 2001 until now Democrats have set records for fillibustering judicial nominees, disregarding precedent set by previous Congresses for straight up and down votes. District and appelate level courts have huge backlogs of cases because judicial spots haven’t been filled. Republicans bent over backwards to negotiate with democrats, and your party has been embarassingly partisan, and in the case of Janice Rodgers Brown and Miguel Estrada racist in blocking them. Your party sent out the attack dogs for Charles Pickering, falsely calling him racist when even the Mississippi NAACP was backing him for appointment because his record is nothing but even handed and exemplary. And you have the nerve to call Republicans Nazis!

Let’s not forget Republicans voted en masse for the most liberal of the current Supreme Court Justices, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, a card carrying ACLU member who never met a pro-abortion arguement or foreign law she didn’t like. You had like zero ground to stand on BEFORE you made your post. Now look at yourself, just another foam at the mouth lib with nothing but sound and fury as your evidence.*

**Let’s look at the real facts.

1) The actual records set by SJC as to blocked nominations occured during Orin Hatch’s tenure and Republican control.

The records set on confirmations overwhelmingly occured during the past eight years.

**For comprehensive statistics on judicial confirmations from 1977 through February 2004, one can consult this CRS report. For judicial confirmations since then, one can look at the website of the Office of Legal Policy, which has data on confirmations during the 108th and 109th Congresses. For the current Congress, one can consult the data maintained by the Administrative Office of the U.S. Courts here.

Consulting these sources, here is what one finds. President Carter had 56 appellate nominees confirmed. President Reagan had 83 appellate nominees confirmed over two terms (for an average of 41.5/term). President Bush (41) had 42 confirmed. President Clinton had 65 confirmed (an average of 32.5 term). President Bush (43) had 35 confirmed during his first term, and has had 24 confirmed since, for a total of 59. This data shows a clear, and fairly consistent, downward trend over the past thirty years.

One also sees a downward trend in the confirmation percentage of appellate appointees. These figures from the CRS reports are as follows: Carter - 91.8%; Reagan - 81.4%; Bush(41) - 77.8%; Clinton: 56.5%.

The confirmation percentage for President Bush’s first term through 12/9/2003 was a measly 32.3%. Since then, it has improved. By my calculation, the confirmation rate for appellate nominees during Bush’s first term was a respectable 67% and it has been 56% thus far in his second term, for an overall average of 62%. One factor that aided this percentage was the “Gang of 14” deal, that set aside the filibuster of several Bush nominees. The other was the slow rate at which the Bush Administration has made appellate appointments. In any event, it is worth noting that while President Bush has seen fewer appellate nominees confirmed to the bench than his predecessors, the percentage of his appellate nominees confirmed is slightly higher than that of President Clinton.

using nominations [as the CRS report did], instead of nominees, as the denominator in any calculation when evaluating the percentage of people appointed can lead to misleading calculations if you’re not precise about the language you use. President Clinton, for the appellate courts, made 115 nominations, of which 65 were confirmed, hence the 56.5% number. But those 115 nominations were of 90 nominees (25 were renominations of people who had already been nominated), so the more accurate calculation for President Clinton, if you’re talking about nominees, as you do in the last sentence quoted above, would be 65 confirmations of 90 nominees, or 72.2%. The comparable numbers, for the courts of appeals, for Presidents Carter, Reagan, and H.W. Bush, are 93.3%, 88.3%, and 79.2%, respectively. For Carter, Reagan, and H.W. Bush, the differences are smaller, in part because there were fewer returns by the Senate and thus fewer renominations.

For President George W. Bush, the Senate has 59 confirmed of 82 nominees, or 72.0%. The nomination-nominee numbers are markedly different for President Bush because there have been many more returns, and therefore many more renominations, in this administration than in previous administrations. Part of this comes from all pending nominations being returned in 2001 after the Senate control flipped from Republican to Democratic, part of it has come from long-running stretches of nomination, return, and renomination of the same person. Terrence Boyle was nominated to the Fourth Circuit six times by the current President.**

Janice Rodgers Brown was confirmed to the D.C. Circut after an egregious deal. She is one of the most poorly qualified individuals on the federal bench. She has zero over zero federal trial or appellate experience as an attorney. She was moved from a state court in California where the ABA pointed out her performance was pathetic to put a Federalist martinet on the D.C. Circuit which is full of them. She was not blocked.

Her judicial temperamant in California was as p** poor as Jim Bodiford’s is well known to be in Georgia—the only state where Bodiford is allowed to practice because he graduated from a non-acredited law school.

No major black law groups supported her—and there are damn few black judges on the federal appellate courts so they want to increase the numbers badly—but not badly enough to support Brown.

What Brown is most noted for is pathetically written opinions that are short of facts and the law because her law clerks who write them are selected by Brown and a high percentage of her opinions deteriorate into childish attacks on her collegues rather than remotely resembling a legal analysis.

I’m willing to bet the farm “LD” has not read them.

Brown made over the top Palinesque speeches repeatedly.

the American Bar Association gave Brown a tepid “qualified/not qualified” rating. By contrast, Estrada had received a unanimous rating of “well qualified.” One online journal, The Black Commentator, went so far as to run an unflattering cartoon of Brown as Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas “in a fright wig.”

The California Association of Black Lawyers echoed that theme in opposing Brown’s nomination in its most recent in-house journal.

“As one of our founding members and past president of the National Bar Association, Robert L. Harris, so eloquently stated, ‘We should always remember that a “White” Justice Stevens, for example, is a thousand times better for Black America than a “Black” Justice Clarence Thomas,’” an editorial stated.

Brown closely resembles Clarence Thomas who couldn’t get a job in a single law firm after law school, and it had nothing to do with his skin color.

Thomas has not asked a question in oral argument in 17 years because like Palin he is totally out of his depth.**

By Esther Morgenstern

December 4, 2008 12:23 AM | Link to this

Absolutely wonderful!!! Saxby Chambliss won. Thank God for Sarah and her dynamic spirit to energize the base and put the Senator over the top.— It would be a sheer horror if the Democrats would have gotten a blank check majority in the house. —Can’t wait to get to 2012 and elect a Republican to get real american, conservative values back into our beautiful country.—

By Esther Morgenstern

December 4, 2008 12:26 AM | Link to this

Absolutely wonderful!!! Saxby Chambliss won. Thank God for Sarah and her dynamic spirit to energize the base and put the Senator over the top.— It would be a sheer horror if the Democrats would have gotten a blank check majority in the house. —Can’t wait to get to 2012 and elect a Republican to get real american, conservative values back into our beautiful country.—

By Esther Morgenstern

December 4, 2008 12:27 AM | Link to this

Absolutely wonderful!!! Saxby Chambliss won. Thank God for Sarah and her dynamic spirit to energize the base and put the Senator over the top.— It would be a sheer horror if the Democrats would have gotten a blank check majority in the house. —Can’t wait to get to 2012 and elect a Republican to get real american, conservative values back into our beautiful country.—

By Chad Harris

December 4, 2008 1:05 AM | Link to this

Morgenstern—

Try holding your breath until 2012. Do you ever have a specific substantive point to make on a specific issue? I haven’t seen one and don’t expect to.

If you think Chambliss is going to have much impact on a 59 Majority Senate you think Palin will win in 2012 the same way she won in 2008. Palin is easy to beat country wide and it was shown in spades November 4. Palin did little for Chambliss here despite your perception. Chambliss won as has been said, because this states that is full of Appalachia: ignorant, and proud of it!

It would have been impossible for any Democratic Candidate for Senate short of Obama to win in Georgia.

Obama’s campaigning widely for Martin would have added 6% at best.

You can keep on yippekahyeaing Palin all you like but she’s not leaving Alaska to serve in any office in your lifetime or hers—that’s the bottom line. Your posts are very reminiscent of Palin’s childish pointless speeches.

By Chad Harris

December 4, 2008 1:50 AM | Link to this

One of the all star Saturday Night Livesque scenes will be the clowns debating in the Republican primary come 2012. It was like a cross between watching paint dry and a cross between Deliverance for the few minutes I could stomach it. Should Palin be in the mix, and I hope she will, it will be like wall to wall Tina Fey and Couric slicing and dicing the moron.

By Esther Morgenstern

December 4, 2008 2:09 AM | Link to this

The Liberals and the Democrats are always getting nasty and furious when we Republicans voice our opinion.— What are you guys so afraid of ??? You elected a wonderful man to become our president, now its our turn again to DREAM and HOPE !!!!!

By Chad Harris

December 4, 2008 2:44 AM | Link to this

Ester—you’re ignoring my point. Do you have any substantive issue you are capable of discussing with facts to butress your points?

Saying Rah Rah USA like Palin did doesn’t cut it?

You’re glad the DOJ prosecutor is getting more aggressive on the US Attorney scandal aren’t you?

You’re happy that 4 prosecutors have now resigned from Gitmo denouncing the tactics they were forced to use with no discovery, and heresay evidence aren’t you?

You understand that if Palin looked like Jan Reno or the Senators from Maine or Kay Bailey Hutchison you’d never have heard of her?

Esther can you see Russia from where you’re sitting?

By J. P. Mahon

December 4, 2008 6:02 AM | Link to this

The only thing the Chambliss campaign victory proves is that he is a consummate sleazeball, swiftboat campaigner in a very red state.

By Bionic Blonde

December 4, 2008 6:05 AM | Link to this

I knew that Shameless would win. He is after all the heart of Georgia politics with old white men pretending to be someone’s daddy. Palin’s attributes do not have anything to do with effective leadership or smart government. She excites the libido of all those repubs that know sex is bad except when for lust in the heart.

By GodHatesTrash

December 4, 2008 6:35 AM | Link to this

All that was proven Tuesday was that angry low-class white people will vote for sleazy low-class white politicians.

By Mel

December 4, 2008 7:28 AM | Link to this

Jay, David Sirota told me just a few weeks ago when he was here on his book tour for “The Uprising”, “Georgia democrats have got to start fielding stronger candidates”. The fact that a chronic loser like Martin could force Saxby into a runoff at all demonstrates that if the demos had a decent entry in that race, Saxby would be gone.

By bobfromcanton

December 4, 2008 7:29 AM | Link to this

Yes, there was a message. All you socialists need to move to a blue state! Notice it is the South that is Red. Go back to where you came from. Traffic was so much better before ya’ll came here and polluted this fine state. Lewis Grizzard said it best “Delta is ready when you are”.

By court_fanatic

December 4, 2008 7:58 AM | Link to this

When a dirty politician is re-elected after two consecutive dirty campaigns, it’s not a message Georgians were sending. It was simply repetitive stupidity of those who voted for him and rewarded him for his past behavior. Congratulations GOP - you’re hanging on by your fingernails.

By Peadawg

December 4, 2008 8:06 AM | Link to this

This proved that the African Americans didn’t care about this run-off because no African American was running.

By Copyleft

December 4, 2008 8:30 AM | Link to this

More likely, it proved that Georgia continues to resolute move backward while the rest of the country moves forward.

Why, exactly, is is the special responsibility of black Georgians to help nudge this state forward—don’t the white Georgians bear any responsibility for this unbroken string of dumb decisions?

By Copyleft

December 4, 2008 8:40 AM | Link to this

Whoops, “resoluteLY.”

By Peadawg

December 4, 2008 8:43 AM | Link to this

Copyleft, so the rest of the country moves “forward” away from conservative christian values…good for them.

I live in the Georgia, which is in the Bible Belt. I’m a christian that does not believe in abortion, gay marriage, cloning, etc. I’m not going to vote for Democrats as long as they go against the Bible…plain and simple.

By Copyleft

December 4, 2008 8:45 AM | Link to this

Peadawg: It’s certainly your right to believe that the Bible should dictate our laws. Fortunately, the Constitution (and the Founding Fathers) disagree.

By fed up

December 4, 2008 8:50 AM | Link to this

No chad you are delusional….just look at your posts over the last several weeks it all about Palin in nearly every post you talk about her. You like many others on this post including the writer cannot express your opinions without name calling etc. You are the 4 year old sir.

By The Ghetto Prophet

December 4, 2008 8:51 AM | Link to this

Gay Bookman is doing his usual hating as always,but what does this mean. If the Dems were so concerned with CHANGE, the turn out would have been the same as the presidental election. Who cares about martin,obama don’t if he did he would have put the bama magic into play for little jimmy. Gay bookman you’re a funny little half man half goat!

By Peadawg

December 4, 2008 8:52 AM | Link to this

Copyleft, you need to read the history books. This country was created based on Christian values and that there is A God.

I laugh so hard when someone votes Democrat but claims to be Christian…they are a human contradiction.

By Shawny

December 4, 2008 8:55 AM | Link to this

no message. red state, reelects republican. Only reason Martin was in runoff to begin with was the influx of new voters and African-American voters inspired by the eloquent Obama. While at the polls, they also pulled for Martin of the same party, for the most part. Probably won’t happen again.

By Harry

December 4, 2008 9:12 AM | Link to this

Poor dumb red neck republicans, they kept making the same mistake but expect different results!

The GOP is by THE RICH for THE RICH.

Always has been, always will be.

Two American cities destroyed, two phony wars and billions of dollars redistributed to a few insiders.

It was REAL MONEY when you took it form your paycheck and put it in a 401k, where is it now?

Somebody has it, just not YOU!

By eddie

December 4, 2008 9:20 AM | Link to this

Anyone confused about why Georgia is ranked so low in education can read the texts in this blog and realize that this is a cross section of the parents of our failing children. Enough said.

By CommunistAJC

December 4, 2008 9:27 AM | Link to this

Jay Bookman, I live in Chicago and I can safely say that I would take Georgia politics over Illinois politics any day. Taxes are through the roof and unions control everything. I have to buy a city sticker, a parking sticker for my street and have to pay high property taxes. Why? D-E-M-O-C-R-A-T-S. I lived in Georgia for most of my life and only came up here because of a high paying job. I can’t own a hand gun and crime is higher here than anywhere else in the US. When I came back down to Atlanta for Thanksgiving I had forgotten how nice people were and how everyone said hello when I walked by them. I forgot how great ChicfilA was. I had forgotten how people put their families before everything else. I had also forgotten that people down south support our troops a hell of a lot more than people up here. So Jay, you can complain and moan about Georgia being a red state and I’ll tell you what. I would take a red state with low taxes and “bumpkins” any day over a bunch of pu$$y whiny baby liberals from Chicago any day.

By fed up

December 4, 2008 9:29 AM | Link to this

Sorry Harry the gop is not for the rich by the rich… it’s for people with values, morals and ethics. Not all republicans are red necks either. Once again I repeat your views cannot be expressed without name calling, pitiful.

By JW

December 4, 2008 9:31 AM | Link to this

Peadog, you wrote, “I laugh so hard when someone votes Democrat but claims to be Christian…they are a human contradiction.”

You are joking - aren’t you? If not, please explain. Surely you don’t believe that any political party has the endorsement of the almighty.

By Peadawg

December 4, 2008 9:43 AM | Link to this

I never said God endorses one party. This is what I mean: The Bible says abortion and gay marriage is wrong. Democrats support both. Therefore, a Christian Democrat is a contridiction.

By Ayn Rand was Right

December 4, 2008 9:44 AM | Link to this

Is anyone else hoping that Chad will get a typing finger cramp, so we can stop scrolling for 3 pages to get past his novella posts?

The elections are over. The people have spoken (twice). Now roll up those sleeves and get down to the business of supporting our elected officials (all of them) to ensure the will of the people is done.

Have a great day!

By Red

December 4, 2008 9:44 AM | Link to this

Simple fact of the runoff; Saxby ran on ‘cun-suv-ative’ Georgia values. Translation? Keeping that one that’s in the White House from getting too ‘uppity’. Of course it’s about race.

By DD

December 4, 2008 9:46 AM | Link to this

Segregation and extremism is alive and well in Georgia. That’s the message.

By CommunistAJC

December 4, 2008 9:52 AM | Link to this

DD, How many nights a week do you have your klan meetings? I mean, you are the Grand Wizard, right? Go sell stupid somewhere else racist moron.

By mike

December 4, 2008 10:03 AM | Link to this

I guess I will get a break from all those negative tv ads about Martin. No platform just a constant barrage of negativity from zaby. With the local and national economy tanking, two wars, Wall Street running off with the bail out money, repub congressmen running after the pages, a VP running mate whose husband wants their state to secede from the rest of us. It is just proper to send zaby back since he has done nothing during his previous tenure.

By gail

December 4, 2008 10:17 AM | Link to this

To me this proves that the Presidential race was RACIST…..the black population could care less about voting for a white man in a Senate race but they stood in the cold and rain for hours to vote for a black President. THAT is the only reason this race went to a run off….ask them WHY they voted for OBAMA and most of them cannot even tell you why.

By Jake

December 4, 2008 10:19 AM | Link to this

Counting the days until income, estate, and capital gains taxes are increased for everyone making $250k or more. I’d also like to see the troops replaced with bombs, but that’s not going to happen.

By Vick

December 4, 2008 10:26 AM | Link to this

The message from the Chambliss victory?

It’s loud and clear… while the rest of the country is moving forward and away from the crippling and damaging Republican policies of the last eight years, Georgia remains entrenched in the conservative malaise. While the rest of America grows and adapts our state wallows in the past. So sad. So typical.

By Marilyn

December 4, 2008 10:56 AM | Link to this

Peadawg, did anyone ever tell you that the Bible is not to be taken literally? Thinking people know this; brainwashed folks generally don’t. God didn’t write the bible, men did. There are many versions of this book; which one is most “correct”. You can’t and shouldn’t take it literally! It’s been shown that even in the animal world, homosexuality is known. And if you’re so against abortion, how many babies have you adopted, or helped support or helped get adopted? Put your money where your mouth is! The anti-abortionists lose interest once the child is born. Anyway, the Constitution is the country’s “bible” — not yours!!! BTW, there are other religions besides Christianity - in case you didn’t know. Doing the right thing is not only a Christian ideal. Real Christians wouldn’t be against helping others. If you read what Jesus supposedly said, he was actually the first so-called socialist. Think about it. Or maybe just think - for a change. Rub those brain cells together - they haven’t been used in a while.

By Thanks Georgia

December 4, 2008 11:04 AM | Link to this

This just proves that Georgians reward incompetence, and are proud of it. They were angry with Saxby on the way he campaigned against Cleland, as well as his votes on the Farm Bill and the Bailout. All is forgiven I guess though. Look at the great job Sonny is doing. As long as its a republicans, the majority of people will vote for them as it makes them feel like they are in some higher class of living. Meanwhile, the republicans do nothing for you. Obama knew this state was backwards which is why he pulled out over the summer. No surprise we rank in the bottom three in education.

By Abomi Nation

December 4, 2008 11:16 AM | Link to this

Peadawg, shouldn’t you be out on the courthouse steps today protesting the many divorces that take place daily?

How can you call yourself a Christian if you support divorce? Jesus called divorce an Abomination! Its in the Bible.

Divorce is a choice! God Created “Adam and Eve,” not “Adam and Eve, then Cindy”

A Republican Christian is a contradiction.

By Peadawg

December 4, 2008 11:21 AM | Link to this

Abomi Nation: YOU need to read the Bible. God says divorce can happen if someone cheats. Go check it out.

By JDW

December 4, 2008 11:25 AM | Link to this

Yes GA is sending a clear message. The message is that Saxby is the best we have to offer. Sad but true.

By Peadawg

December 4, 2008 11:28 AM | Link to this

God also created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve…

By V

December 4, 2008 11:29 AM | Link to this

Peadawg you are SUCH a dinosaur.

While you and your conservative friends are worried about gay marriage and Obama’s birth certificate, the rest of us are worried about the economy and bringing our troops home from the worst managed war in history. So grab your bible and crawl back under your rock and let the Democrats fix the mess you and your ilk created and shoved down our throats for 8 years. It’s time for the adults to fix what you broke.

By Peadawg

December 4, 2008 11:30 AM | Link to this

Being gay is also a choice.

By V

December 4, 2008 11:35 AM | Link to this

So “peadawg” you made the conscious decision to be straight? You woke up one day and said “I am going to be straight instead of gay!”

And you wonder why so many SMART people in this country look at the likes of you with such disdain. You represent the worst of the worst. You are so full of hate for anyone who does not walk and talk just like you. Peadawg, YOU are what is wrong with this country. YOU are the problem. YOU need to fade away. Of course you won’t, you far too stupid to ever shut your mouth and learn something. I just hope and pray you never had children. We don’t need any more stupid people in this country. We’ve got you and that’s plenty.

By Peadawg

December 4, 2008 11:40 AM | Link to this

Mostly women do this…but I’m sure some men have to: Haven’t you known anyone who “turned” gay after having lots of bad experiences dating the opposite sex? I know someone who used to be gay and now he’s straight.

It’s a choice.

By Rappaport

December 4, 2008 11:44 AM | Link to this

The only reason that there was a runoff between Chambliss and Martin was because Obama “brought out the vote” in the general election, attracting many to the polls who typically do not vote at all but were drawn by the special historic event. They voted the straight Democratic ticket (Martin included). The runoff, however, held no such special meaning to this demographic, and therefore Chambliss won easily given that his election was very important to the runoff voters.

By GodHatesTrash

December 4, 2008 12:10 PM | Link to this

Actually, “God” didn’t create Adam, Eve, or Steve. A storybook written by a silly bunch of shepards 5000 years ago doesn’t make it so.

By MOM

December 4, 2008 12:12 PM | Link to this

For those of you who say being gay is a choice… when did YOU make the decision to be straight?

And as far as people being gay because they had “bad sexual experiences with the opposite sex” that is the DUMBEST MOST IGNORANT THING I HAVE EVER READ. And I read these blogs a lot.

But I guess peabrain and dw are gay experts and know more than this straight mom.

By Peadawg

December 4, 2008 12:23 PM | Link to this

MOM, how come a lot of guys turn gay while they are in jail, then turn back straight once they get out? Choice maybe?????

By Abomi Nation

December 4, 2008 12:24 PM | Link to this

Peadawg, you are saying divorce is allowed when adultery is involved. 55% of all Baptist marriages end in divorce. Adultery is a sin, read your 10 commandments.

Since adultery is the only reason a to allow a divorce its apparent that there is a whole lot of sinning going on by Christian Republicans. Don’t you read your Bibles. Adultery is a sin. Why are so many Christian conservatives engaging in so much sin?

God created Adam and Eve. Not Adam and Eve and Adams Lover.

Also, who is governing the remarriage laws. The Bible makes that impossible, especially for women.

Adultery is an Abomination! Adultery is a CHOICE.

Its in the Bible!

By Jake

December 4, 2008 12:25 PM | Link to this

Voting based on religious/moral views makes a lot more sense to me than voting Dem because they are the forward thinking progressive party while Reps are backward and conservatism is a malaise. As always 95% of the posters here are party affiliated to the extent they would vote for the jackass or the elephant if those were the candidates. Small wonder we consistently have pathetic choices like Chambliss or Martin.

By Peadawg

December 4, 2008 12:29 PM | Link to this

Adultery is an Abomination! Adultery is a CHOICE….I agree…so what was your point in your rant? I’m not accountable for others’ actions. I would never choose to cheat on my wife. I know Adultery is a sin…so again, what’s your point?

By Ayn Rand was Right

December 4, 2008 12:31 PM | Link to this

Peadawg…allow me to answer your question to MOM. It is because most men cannot go for 2 days without sex. At a certain point they don’t care if it comes from a woman, man, farm animal or piece of fruit…they just need the sex act. If they are in prison and commit the act with a man, it doesn’t make them gay and then they switch back upon release. It makes them physically dependent on an act of sex, taking it where ever they can get it.

Considering the other point of the latest posts: I do agree that some gay people “choose” to be straight, but usually that doesn’t work out so well for them, or their straight partners. And some straight people “choose” to be gay, but again, they usually go back to what is inherent to them. The key here is that if you have to make a choice about it, you probably are not “it”. Now, please as dw said, leave the judging to God, and go tend your own fields.

MOM - Thanks for standing up for your kid (and others), it’s a noble calling.

Have a great day!

By Abomi Nation

December 4, 2008 12:41 PM | Link to this

“I’m not accountable for others’ actions.”

You sure seem to want to be accountable for gay people.

It sure is easy throwing your Bibles at a very small part of the population when it comes to homosexuality. Of course, 55% of all Baptist marriages end in divorce, that means according to your Bible there is a whole lot of sinning (adultery) going around. Most Baptists are Republican.

You said:The Bible says abortion and gay marriage is wrong. Democrats support both. Therefore, a Christian Democrat is a contridiction (sic.)

Yet you ignore the log in your eye. How about a revised statement:

“The Bible says adultery and remarriage is wrong. Republicanss support both. Therefore, a Christian Republican is a contradiction.”

Its in the Bible!

By GayGrayGeek

December 4, 2008 12:43 PM | Link to this

I wonder if the Bye-Bull Thumpers here also “choose” to cut their hair, or eat shellfish (shrimp cocktail, anyone?), or wear clothing made of mixed fibers (the typcial pair of underwear, anyone?). All of those are as much “abominations” as homosexuality, according to Leviticus.

I as much “chose” to be gay as I “chose” to be bald, or “chose” to have blue eyes. And all the “proof by repetition” by the Talibaptists won’t change those facts.

By KJHG

December 4, 2008 12:50 PM | Link to this

JIM IN DENVER - WE WILL SURE MISS YOU-NOT

By gadem

December 4, 2008 12:56 PM | Link to this

Peadawg, actually the Bible says that divorce was created because of the hardness of man’s heart…JESUS was specific about that in Matthew. Read it for yourself, however people do interpret things differently. Divorce is not a good thing, but because man is so unforgiving…

By The Ghetto Prophet

December 4, 2008 1:15 PM | Link to this

Harry says that the rich are for the rich, that’s Demo-crap! Tell me who is working for the so-called rich? Not the rich! So how can the rich be for the rich? The poor don’t get poor-er, hell if the Demo-craps would stop brain-washing them into believing they are poor because they don’t have what the next man have! Alot of this BS would not be a factor in our society! Are you saying poor is righteous and rich is evil? They should replace the income tax with a stupid tax! Harry should have to pay for being STUPID!

By THE BANDIT

December 4, 2008 1:20 PM | Link to this

What wasn’t a surprise was the fact that the black voters could not get off their butts and vote for a second time in 4 weeks. They came running when it was they brother needing a little help. But not for two white guys. Pathetic.

By Copyleft

December 4, 2008 2:04 PM | Link to this

I laugh so hard when someone votes Democrat but claims to be Christian…they are a human contradiction.

Right back atcha, Peadawg. The notion of a “conservative Christian” seems absurd to me. Christian values are peace, tolerance, compassion, and charity… all qualities that the Religious Reich is notably lacking while they screech about abortion and gays and war.

By Taj Mahol

December 4, 2008 2:05 PM | Link to this

Will Supreme Court take case on Obama’s citizenship?

By JAMES JANEGA Chicago Tribune

CHICAGO — The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama’s U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama’s election.

The meeting of justices will coincide with a vigil by the filer’s supporters in Washington on the steps of the nation’s highest court.

The suit originally sought to stay the election, and was filed on behalf of Leo Donofrio against New Jersey Secretary of State Nina Mitchell Wells.

Legal experts say the appeal has little chance of succeeding, despite appearing on the court’s schedule. Legal records show it is only the tip of an iceberg of nationwide efforts seeking to derail Obama’s election over accusations that he either wasn’t born a U.S. citizen or that he later renounced his citizenship in Indonesia.

The Obama campaign has maintained that he was born in Hawaii, has an authentic birth certificate, and is a “natural-born” U.S. citizen. Hawaiian officials agree.

Among those filing lawsuits is Alan Keyes, who lost to Obama in the 2004 Illinois Senate race. Keyes’ suit seeks to halt certification of votes in California. Another suit by a Kentucky man seeks to have a federal judge review Obama’s original birth certificate, which Hawaiian officials say is locked in a state vault.

Other suits have been filed by Andy Martin, whose case was dismissed in Hawaii, and by an Ohio man whose case also was dismissed. Five more suits, all later dismissed, were filed in Hawaii by a person who is currently suing the “Peoples Association of Human, Animals Conceived God/s and Religions, John McCain (and) USA Govt.” The plaintiff previously sought to sue Wikipedia and “All News Media.”

The most famous case questioning Obama’s citizenship was filed in Pennsylvania in August on behalf of Philip J. Berg and sought to enjoin the Democratic National Committee from nominating Obama. The U.S. Supreme Court declined to accept the case. Earlier, a federal judge rejected it for “lack of standing” — ruling that Berg had no legal right to sue. In cases like this, judges sometimes believe the matter is best left to political institutions, such as the Electoral College or Congress, said legal scholar Eugene Volokh of the University of California at Los Angeles.

The remaining case with the highest profile is Donofrio vs. Wells. Because it was distributed by Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas to other justices for conference, it gained undue importance for people unschooled in how the court works, Volokh said.

Many petitioners seeking stays of pending events have their cases distributed to the full court, he said. Of those, Volokh found that 782 were denied in the last eight years while just 60 were heard — and not all of those ultimately were successful.

By BobinBuford

December 4, 2008 2:08 PM | Link to this

CommunistAJC:

I moved here from Chicago 15 years ago, and will gladly switch with you. At least I would live in a state where:

1) Kids can celebrate Halloween because they don’t have to put up wth nutjob Christian adults who see the devil everywhere they go.

2) Ditto for Harry Potter. At least Illinois doesn’t have idiots who take up the tax payers time and money to try and get a book out of the school library, when 99% of the other parents don’t mind.

3) I would put up the food in Chicago against the food in Atlanta ANYTIME. How many restaurants in Atlanta ship their food all over the country because you can’t get that food anywhere else??

4) How about having a transit system in the city and suburbs that actually GOES somewhere, as opposed to MARTA?

By Jake

December 4, 2008 2:16 PM | Link to this

Bobin - Move back, please!

By Ayn Rand was Right

December 4, 2008 2:20 PM | Link to this

Bobin,

Clearly as a transient, you have not found the wonderful elements Atlanta offers. Yes, we do like our cars. There is something about not smelling others urine and sweat prior to a fine dining experience that we southerners enjoy. I suppose if you live in the frozen tundra, your nose is so stuffy that you cannot smell others on the el.

Please either go home, or cease bashing your new one.

Have a lovely day.

By CommunistAJC

December 4, 2008 2:24 PM | Link to this

BobinBuford, I lived in Atlanta for 28 years and celebrated Halloween with my family every year until I was 11 years old. I am a Christian and my family never made a “devil” issue out of it. You see one nutjob on tv and think all Christians are like that. Go sell stupid somewhere else. I’ll give you the transit system but I’m here to tell you that Chicago is like NYC in that it is a grid system type of city. Atlanta is like LA in that it is spread out. Get over that because that will never change. As for food? Good luck being able to afford it up here because restaurants are hurting big time now that Daley raised food taxes by 1%.

Oh, yeah, about the tax payer money up here? Um, yeah, the tax payer money goes to fund Gay high schools, Unions, politicians mansions and highways that take years and years to fix.

By DD

December 4, 2008 2:33 PM | Link to this

CommunistAJC. Whoa, I really must have struck a nerve. I guess that’s why you like it here so much. Lots of extremists and segregationists like Ayn Rand and Jake to keep you company.

By GaLiberal

December 4, 2008 2:34 PM | Link to this

Ol’ Shameless claims his “victory” can be a model for future GOP campaigns. Color me confused, but didn’t ol’ Shameless simply follow the Atwater/Rove political playbook of outright lies and fear mongering during his campaign? That’s the “model” the Rethuglicons have been using for the last 20 years so what’s so new about ol’ Shameless?

That’s all these Rethuglicon have is lies and fear mongering. Ol’ Shameless outright lied about Jim Martin and fear mongered people into believing some grand Democrat conspiracy to take away redneck’s guns (YES!) and raise taxes (which will have to be raised to pay off the $500+ BILLION deficit Bush created). These tactics work well on the short-attention span bigots and homophobes that make up the Rethuglicon base, but the end result is a bad politician being re-elected for another six year term.

When you vote Rethuglicon, you vote against your own best interests. And ol’ Shameless’ campaign is living proof.

By CommunistAJC

December 4, 2008 2:36 PM | Link to this

Ayn Rand was Right, Here is what I have learned about “northerners.” I have learned that deep down, they really do envy southerners. Why? Low taxes, warmer weather, nicer attitudes. bigger homes, great food that actually has flavor, and many other wonderful southern aspects. I’d take grits any day over cream of wheat. It’s 14 degrees outside here in beautiful Lakeview, which is a section of Chicago. I was just dreaming of warm weather this morning. Oh well.

By GaLiberal

December 4, 2008 2:39 PM | Link to this

Ol’ Shameless claims his “victory” can be a model for future GOP campaigns. Color me confused, but didn’t ol’ Shameless simply follow the Atwater/Rove political playbook of outright lies and fear mongering during his campaign? That’s the “model” the Rethuglicons have been using for the last 20 years so what’s so new about ol’ Shameless?

That’s all these Rethuglicon have is lies and fear mongering. Ol’ Shameless outright lied about Jim Martin and fear mongered people into believing some grand Democrat conspiracy to take away redneck’s guns (YES!) and raise taxes (which will have to be raised to pay off the $500+ BILLION deficit Bush created). These tactics work well on the short-attention span bigots and homophobes that make up the Rethuglicon base, but the end result is a bad politician being re-elected for another six year term.

When you vote Rethuglicon, you vote against your own best interests. And ol’ Shameless’ campaign is living proof.

By Ayn Rand was Right

December 4, 2008 2:39 PM | Link to this

DD - please explain why you think I am an extremist or segregationist?

By JackLeg

December 4, 2008 2:39 PM | Link to this

I love it that you liberal dingbats blame everybody except your selves for the problems we are having. Let us go back 2 maybe 3 years, the only thing you idiots had to bash was Bush. Then the dimacrats took over congress, do I need to go over what the last 2 years have done to this country? It was NOT Bush or the GOP it was the dimacrat congress that has put us where we are today. WAKE UP AND SMELL THE STUPIDITY, the president does not run the country congress and the senate do. Hey liberal dimacrats is this the way you like it, or is this just the way to get to socialism? I would like to know WHY we give billions of dollars to people who have a proven record of screwing up?

By Jake

December 4, 2008 2:45 PM | Link to this

DD - I don’t believe in fighting wars where we alternately blow up and then rebuild other countries at the cost of billions of dollars and thousands of lives, so perhaps I am extremist. It’s certainly a minority viewpoint. As for the segregationist claim, I live in Cobb county not Idaho!

By Cakey

December 4, 2008 2:58 PM | Link to this

We are the home of the KKK and Maddox so why should people be surprised about Chambliss being re-elected? However, it is embarassing that Chambliss is giving accolades to Palin and thinks she’s the reason he won when the rest of the Nation thinks she’s got a screw loose!!

By luangtom

December 4, 2008 3:09 PM | Link to this

Saxby’s re-election may just be the reason that the “national police” that B. Obama speaks of do not come to our doors to deny Second Amendment rights of ordinary citizens. Afterall, we have to be protected from ourselves. Do the Liberals truly want a system with no checks and balances?

By Abomi Nation

December 4, 2008 3:39 PM | Link to this

“Do the Liberals truly want a system with no checks and balances?”

You mean like we currently have in Georgia?

Jim Wooten used to write weekly about the need for Georgia to have Republicans in control of at least one branch of the state government. Since the Republicans took control a few years back, nada, nothing, ziltch, not one word.

How about it luangtom, are you going to vote for a Democrat for governor next election? You know, for checks and balances.

By mike

December 4, 2008 3:48 PM | Link to this

My message- I didn’t necessarily want Saxby, but I did not want the Democrats to have a filibuster-proof majority. If the Republicans controlled the White House and Congress, I would have gone the other way. Too much power in either party’s hands is very dangerous.

By Ayn Rand was Right

December 4, 2008 3:48 PM | Link to this

Communist AJC - Thanks, grits to you friend!

By Lee

December 4, 2008 4:21 PM | Link to this

Where was President Bush? Where was Vice President Cheney? Everyone came to campaign for Chambliss except the heads of the party. That is really the most interesting message. Even the Republicans are embarrassed by those two screw-up oddballs.

Saxby certainly would not have won if these two did campaign for him. He won as an “imaginary Republican,” rather than as a real one. Bush and Cheney are real Republicans, and look where it has gotten us. No tax hikes to pay for the war, so everything is on the credit card. That’s why there’s no money around in the credit crunch- it is all soaked up to pay for silly spending and a bad war. Businesses run the government, and finally show how badly government is run when it is run by business. Withdraw from the world, and see how little world support we get when we need it. Sneer at people who know international geography, and depend upon “seeing Putin’s soul” as a guideline for international politics. Interfer with personal decisions by wanting to see Shaivo’s signs of consiciouness when her brain was 1/3 the normal size.

Come to think on it, Chambliss fits right in. The neo-con has become the neo-dumb.

By Elephant

December 4, 2008 4:49 PM | Link to this

I believe the message being sent is that some already realize we need more check and ballance with the new administration. Obama is inexperienced and the Clintons and his crowd will do anything for power. If Obama is not careful those two will have the key to the washroom at the Oval office and he will have to seek permission to use it.

By hershel lynch

December 4, 2008 5:08 PM | Link to this

Jay cry me a river,you might want to consider moving to one of the blue states.

By Razmus

December 4, 2008 5:32 PM | Link to this

I think I have never seen a more bitter, vindictive and miserable group of people than the liberals. Exactly what is it you want? You have (and have had) the Congress and now you have the presidency. Do you want to totally suppress and stifle anyone that has a different view of things than yours, much as every tinpot dictator has done in modern history has done? Do you see what you are becoming? You are morphing into exactly the thing “liberals” are supposed to be the most against. Conservatives have people like Limbaugh, who most of us, quite frankly, think of as being a joke. But you liberals have Barney Frank, Christopher Dodd and Speaker Pelosy who, are as decadent and uncaring a bunch of people that this country has ever experienced. So Saxby won. So what? Are you intent on harping on the failures of the Bush administration and the election of Saxby Chambliss the rest of your lives? Why don’t you try to make things better rather becoming exactly the kind of monster that you claim the Republicans are. I am conservative and I really don’t care if you are gay and I don’t care if you have an abortion. Most of us that are conservative are that way. But it seems you Democrats are intent on burning up your lives hating. Just hating. Well, once again, that’s fine with me. Just don’t lay your crap on everybody else. Get a life.

By Herschel Atkinson

December 4, 2008 5:33 PM | Link to this

After reading all this, I suspect that some folks are a brick shy of a load.

By GaLiberal

December 4, 2008 5:56 PM | Link to this

The message from ol’ Shameless getting re-elected:

We’re proud to be 49th in education!

No wonder the Rethuglicons are running the state.

When you vote Rethuglicon, you vote against your own best interests. And Georgia is living proof.

By GaLiberal

December 4, 2008 6:10 PM | Link to this

Hey, CommunistAJC. Why do you keep saying “Go sell stupid somewhere else.”? You so underintelligent that you have to rip lines from movies. I hope you are paying Jack Nicholson a royality every time you use his lines. Not to mention all the “liberals” in Hollywood.

Typical of a neocon, Rethuglicon, boot-licker you don’t have any original thougths you have to steal others. And from a movie, too.

When you vote Rethuglicon, you vote against your own best interests. And CommunistAJC is living proof.

By no to nannystate

December 4, 2008 6:29 PM | Link to this

GaLiberal, when I vote Republican, I am voting for the best interests of the country, not myself. Limited government and personal responsibility.

“Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else.” – from Government by Frederick Bastiat

By Taj Mahol

December 4, 2008 6:38 PM | Link to this

GaLiberal got servvvvvvvvvvvvvvved! Not once. Not twice, but THREE times. Like the good Commie says, Go sell stupid somewhere else! Love it! Go commie!

By CommunistAJC

December 4, 2008 6:44 PM | Link to this

Jay BookMAN, Did I go to far with GaLiberal? What happened to free speech? Oh that’s right, you’re a democrat and democrats can’t handle it when people whom they disagree with put other libs in their place. Whatever.

GALIBERAL, Sell crazy some place else, we’re all stocked up here is the correct line. I ripped off NO ONE! Again, to you, go sell stupid somewhere else.

By CommunistAJC

December 4, 2008 6:48 PM | Link to this

By the way Jay Bookman, Why exactly did you take my posting about GaLiberal down? I’ve seen plenty of KKK calling on your blogs to fill a book. You never seem to mind when bloggers call each other klansmen but oh my gosh, when I call someone retarded because they are, then you go and pull my posting. Talk about bias. How’s the job search going?

By Tommy Maddox

December 4, 2008 6:53 PM | Link to this

Wait a minute:

Chambliss did not promise us gas in the tank, free healthcare, our mortgages getting paid, 40 acres and a mule, world peace, wealth distribution, and all those other things we are entitled to and supposed to receive from the government. What’s worse, he’s white!

How did that guy get elected?

By JAY BOOKMAN

December 4, 2008 7:25 PM | Link to this

It had more to do with the allegedly encrusted keyboard, Commie.

That went well beyond the bounds, and next time it’ll bring more than a post pulled down.

Your momma would not be proud. This is a public place. Show some basic manners, or go elsewhere.

By GodHatesTrash

December 4, 2008 7:35 PM | Link to this

Commie, I think Bookman has come to the basic realization that southern Republicanism has its “intellectual” roots in Klu Kluxery, so it is no longer taboo on this blog to mention said organization.

After all, it was the RightWingnutters that kept trying to apply the appellation to the Clintons, the Democratic Party, and such.

Interestingly, the selection of Palin as McCain’s running mate brought many fence-riders to the same realization - that there’s really not much difference between the southern wing of the GOP and the queer (as in strange) folks that used to gather so often for bonfires on old Stone Mountain.

By Abomi Nation

December 4, 2008 7:44 PM | Link to this

Free speech? Are you kidding? This blog has Jay Bookman’s name on it He has a right to moderate it any way he wants to.

Fact is this blog is BY FAR, the best the ajc.com has to offer because he does not allow this blog to turn into a bunch of personal nonsense.

By Message

December 4, 2008 8:31 PM | Link to this

Of course a message was sent. Votes were cast by the highly educated, tax-paying, responsible, self-motivated, living within their means, two parent (a man and a women) households. That message is that our votes should count multiple times more than the generational government dependent, lemings who would were lucky to even understand the voting logistics process bottom feeders who are simply waiting for more “entitlements” for their 6-7 children (each by a different father)!!!!

By Surprise

December 4, 2008 8:36 PM | Link to this

You want to know what a “surprise” would be — not seeing a thug on the ajc.com homepage every single day !!!!!!

By Dennis G. Berdanis

December 4, 2008 10:25 PM | Link to this

As Bill Shipp wrote, Isaakson and Chamblis can get important posts like window washer maybe. They certainly won’t be on any important committees. I guess that’s the type of representation GA voters want.

By Vick

December 4, 2008 10:48 PM | Link to this

Dear Razmus… You said: “I think I have never seen a more bitter, vindictive and miserable group of people than the liberals. Exactly what is it you want? “

We want to take our country back from the extremist far right “Christian” racist, homophobic Nazis like you…

Got it? GOOD.

By Esther Morgenstern

December 5, 2008 1:28 AM | Link to this

This is for Chad!! Thanks for always beeing so complimentary and polite in regards to my posts. But frankly speaking, I love beeing a Republican, endorse my conservative values to whom ever may aspouse to run for office, and YES, I dislike ” Substance”, because its always a transient and diverse issue for any person. What may be substative for one, may not be for another…

By Esther Morgenstern

December 5, 2008 1:48 AM | Link to this

Oh, I almost forgot, you asked me a question, Chad, can I see Russia from where I’m sitting.— I’ve been to Alaska and it is a formidable state, beautiful and pristine, and really, there is a point where one can actually see the outline of the coast of Russia. Its incredible that we are so close to that continent, and politically speaking, its also quite dangerous….

By WAW

December 5, 2008 5:22 AM | Link to this

Lester’s Axe Handle crowd still reigns in Georgia. That’s the Republican Party history in Georgia (with a few carpetbaggers thrown in) and it is not likely to change in my lifetime.

By Michael McCarthy

December 5, 2008 6:50 AM | Link to this

No message is correct. Just Georgia voting. The Democrats are in power due to rejection of the Republicans, not anything great the Democrats have accomplished. When, in two years, the country can re-evaluate their feelings they are likely to feel again, that there is no good party to vote for. There are no conservatives. And no one likes liberals. What a mess.

By Razmus

December 5, 2008 7:31 AM | Link to this

Vick, You make my point beautifully. You obviously didn’t read it all or you chose see what you wanted which is the way of narrow minded people.

By LeLe

December 5, 2008 8:01 AM | Link to this

The most important person won and that was OBAMA. Saxby has no power or deed so you cares because he really don’t count. He can’t change nothing in washington because he is no body and nobody cares.

By Glenn

December 5, 2008 8:05 AM | Link to this

What a whiny lot of readers, Obama losers!

By Frank

December 5, 2008 8:11 AM | Link to this

Let’s face it Georgia just loves draft dodgers and liars that is the all that has to be said.

By williebkind

December 5, 2008 8:32 AM | Link to this

I see a lot of name calling!! I guess when the conservatives win an election easily it brings out the best in liberals. I see some of you are professional bloggers. Tell me, do you get instructions everymorning from the DNC? You are not allowed to think for yourselves? Of course some of you just hear what Jay has to say and that makes it an absolute truth—right? Some call others racist because they recognized and stated the fact that most blacks came out and voted for BHO. That is not a racist comment but just an individual observation. A good portion of you talk about Georgians and their beliefs stemming from Judea-Christian backgrounds. First note is—85% of American claim this. So you critics on religion need to watch your footing. It seems to me that the minority population wants to rule the rest. Compromise to a liberal is for the conservative to give up their values. That is not compromise! That is the ways of a dictator or a socialist. Look how the gays have behaved in californication in churches and toward street demonstrations. One guy knocked a little girl down and kicked her. Are gays in Ga supportive of that? I find that some people talking about Ga are transplants. Maybe some are offspring of transplants but are taught the strict doctrine of liberalism or death. You liberals were in charge of congess and the system is falling apart. The only answer I hear is give them more money. Auto makers make between $40-$75 per hour with health benefits, retirement, and paid vacations. Does a mill worker in Ga sympathize with them? That mill worker maybe gets $12 an hour and has to pay into any benefit program. Of course, the southern mill worker does not get to go to Europe to refine his character like many of the liberal socialist. But what can I say? The conservatives, which are democrats and republicans understand what I am inferring and they are not looking for typing errors, grammatical mistakes, or dependent clauses but rather the message. You liberals should try to understand the message whether you agree to it or not. That would be a compromise!

By Boots

December 5, 2008 9:13 AM | Link to this

Georgians would vote for the “Boston Strangler” is he ran on the Republican ticket.

By Vick

December 5, 2008 9:15 AM | Link to this

Payback is a b*tch Razmus. Conservatives, lead by the Christian Coalition, have had a stranglehold on this country for years. They have perpetuated such hate, such venom and such animosity and now they think Democrats should play nice “and stop the hate.” What a bunch of weak-spined whiny little morons. “Wah! We lost adn are no longer in charge and the Democrats are playing mean…” Well now the shoe is on the other foot and I for one am happy to be an angry Democrat who is ready to FIGHT to take his freedoms back from the likes of you… And what are you going to do about it?! You are pathetic.

By Jim Hall

December 5, 2008 9:30 AM | Link to this

Saxby Chambliss won because this state loves to vote for demagogues. Its part of our heritage.

By Jim Hall

December 5, 2008 9:32 AM | Link to this

Saxby Chambliss won because this state loves to vote for demagogues. Its part of our heritage.

By Jim Hall

December 5, 2008 9:34 AM | Link to this

Saxby Chambliss won because this state loves to vote for demagogues. Its part of our heritage.

By Ayn Rand was Right

December 5, 2008 9:40 AM | Link to this

Hey Vick, glad to see it’s not just your dogs that fight. Enjoying library time out of your cell?

By Razmus

December 5, 2008 10:11 AM | Link to this

Ayn Rand, don’t engage him. His intellectual worth is that of a popscicle. A KOOLAID popscicle.

By Vick

December 5, 2008 11:02 AM | Link to this

Hahahaha! Razmus… I love that tact… you don’t agree with someone so you attack their intelligence… typical conservative… can start a fight but can’t finish it… Ooop! Just like Iraq! You’re a hoot! Now crawl back under your rock.

By itsme

December 5, 2008 11:12 AM | Link to this

Paraphrasing Mark Twain: Government in the hands of one party is bad government.

By Ayn Rand was Right

December 5, 2008 11:52 AM | Link to this

Razmus…I am noticing a kool-aidish bend for sure! Do they serve red or blue kool-aid in cell block C?

By Ellis St. John

December 5, 2008 12:10 PM | Link to this

Is this guy Saxby Chambliss stupid or delusional? He’s parading around on his high horse like he really accomplished something by winning the run-off election.

Georgia is one the reddest states in the union (no wonder we’re consistently at the bottom in education), so his victory is no feat. If it wasn’t for the “Obama factor” during the general, there wouldn’t have even been a need for a run-off. It’s not like Obama carried Georgia ……… so go figure why Saxby feels he’s such a trailblazer.

By SaveOurRepublic

December 5, 2008 1:35 PM | Link to this

itsme @ 11:12 AM - Mark Twain was absolutely correct, and that’s largely what’s wrong with our current situation…we have 1 party (Globalist) with two divisions (GOP & DNC) masquerading as “opposite” sides. It’s a standard ploy for the Elite to control both sides. This presents the illusion (to the sheeple) that they really have a choice.

I think Neocon Shameless won because of lower Black turnout & a good chunk of Buckley voters (myself excluded) voted for “Suxby” in the runoff. Shameless is just another RINO phoney “conservative” serving his Globalist Elite ma$ters.

By CommunistAJC

December 5, 2008 2:03 PM | Link to this

Bookman, Ok, won’t happen again.

‘At Least Bush Kept Us Safe’ The two words Democrats don’t want tacked onto that sentence.

by Peggy Noonan

To drive through the suburbs of Northern Virginia is to marvel still at the widespread wealth, the mansions and mini-mansions that did not exist a quarter-century ago and that now thicken the woods and hills. It used to be sleepy here; it used to be horse farms. I remember looking at one of the new houses 22 years ago. As I explored the heavy, sprawling concrete basement, the agent said, “We think this would take a 40-megaton bomb.” She meant it as a serious selling point. We were near Langley. [Declarations] AP

The other night, the big houses were strung with glittering white Christmas lights—not all different colors, as we do in other suburbs, but stately white—and from the Georgetown Pike, heading toward Great Falls, we saw a house with a big glass-walled living room that faced the street, and below it a glass-walled entrance room, and each had its own brightly decorated tree. “Two Christmas trees,” murmured a companion, and it captured the air of prosperity and solid well-being of the area.

It reminded me: Government is our most reliable current and future growth industry, and the near suburbs of the capital are where those who run it, work it, lobby it, feed off it and finagle it live. “You have to go farther out to see the foreclosure signs,” said a friend.

At a sparkling Christmas gathering of mostly Republicans, there was warmth, laughter and a mild sense of confusion: “Are we still important?” A handsome former senator, trimmed down and looking younger than he did in office, held forth in the entryway, near a sunny U.S. ambassador who was home for a few days. The ambassador joked that while the country to which she’s assigned has long been peaceful, she still has a few weeks to go back and cause mayhem.

At such a gathering a month ago, there would have been some angry mutterings at John McCain, but not now. He’s come quietly back to the Senate, where one of his colleagues told him of an amazing thing. The colleague had been touring the young democracies of Eastern Europe during the American election, and he found it wasn’t so much Barack Obama that immediately knocked out observers but Mr. McCain’s concession speech. This is the first American transfer of power they’d seen in eight years, and they couldn’t get over the peacefulness and grace with which Mr. McCain accepted the people’s verdict. “It really impressed them,” the colleague told Mr. McCain, and later me. It gave them a template, a guide to how the older democracies do it. When he told me of this, I remembered the observation of a journalist who had covered Russia. The Russian newspapers had generally played down Mr. Obama’s victory, she said, because it got in the way of the establishment line: that the corrupt American democracy is composed of two warring family machines that have the system wired and controlled with the help of their corporate oligarch cronies. It’s not a real democracy but a pretend democracy, and a hypocritical one. This helps the Russians rationalize and excuse their infirm hold on democratic ways and manners. And then the black man from Chicago with no longtime machine or money is elected …

So the Russian press muted its coverage. Mr. Obama’s victory upset their story line. They have to think up a new one now. They will.

Back to the Christmas gathering. There was no grousing about John McCain, and considerable grousing about the Bush administration, but it was almost always followed by one sentence, and this is more or less what it was: “But he kept us safe.” In the seven years since 9/11, there were no further attacks on American soil. This is an argument that’s been around for a while but is newly re-emerging as the final argument for Mr. Bush: the one big thing he had to do after 9/11, the single thing he absolutely had to do, was keep it from happening again. And so far he has. It is unknown, and perhaps can’t be known, whether this was fully due to the government’s efforts, or the luck of the draw, or a combination of luck and effort. And it not only can’t be fully known by the public, it can hardly be fully known by the players at all levels of government. They can’t know, for instance, of a potential terrorist cell that didn’t come together because of their efforts.

But the meme will likely linger. There’s a rough justice with the American people. If a president presides over prosperity, whether he had anything to do with it or not, he gets the credit. If he has a recession, he gets the blame. The same with war, and terrorist attacks. We have not been attacked since 9/11. Someone—someones—did something right.

But here is a jittery reality: We are living through the time of two presidents. Or, if you choose to see it that way, the time of no president, with one on his way in but not arrived, and the other on his way out and without full authority. Histories will be written about this moment, and about the administration’s work with the president-elect’s office. But it is jittery because criminals calculate, they look for opportunities and vulnerabilities. This is a delicate time, with a transition of power, a profound economic crisis, and a nation feeling demoralized around the edges.

We received a reminder of the gravity of the situation this week, with the bipartisan congressional report saying the odds are high the world will see a biological or nuclear terror attack in the next five years. It said, “America’s margin of safety is shrinking, not growing,” and “the risk that radical Islamists—al Qaeda or Taliban—may gain access to nuclear material is real.”

Commission co-chairman Bob Graham, a former chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee and an adviser to Mr. Obama’s transition team, was sober in a Q&A with Newsweek. He said he was most surprised at the risk of biological weapons because of “the ubiquitous nature of pathogens”—anthrax, or a resurrected infectious agent such as the one that produced the 1918 influenza epidemic, which has been re-created in the laboratory.

The report hasn’t received the attention it deserves, nor have its recommendations. Rep. Jane Harman, a California Democrat, accused the commission of playing the “fear card” and trying to imitate the Bush administration in alarmism and bellicosity. Mr. Graham, a Florida Democrat and former senator, would have none of it. “Our adversaries are gaining greater capabilities,” he said.

Why does Congress prepare such reports? To inform, and to win support for new plans. To show they are doing something. And to be able to say, in the event of calamity—forgive my cynicism—that they warned us. This hasn’t been the first such report. It won’t be the last. But it comes at a key moment for Mr. Obama, because it gives him a certain amount of cover to be serious about what needs to be done. What’s at stake for him is two words. When Republicans say, in coming years, “At least Bush kept us safe,” Democrats will not want tacked onto the end of that sentence, “unlike Obama.”

By the way, he should both reorder the Department of Homeland Security, that hopeless bureaucracy, and change its name. Homeland is a Nazi-ish word, not an American concept at all. And at this point “Homeland Security” is associated more with pointless harassment than safety. No one knows who came up with it. Probably some guy with two Christmas trees in Northern Virginia.

By SaveOurRepublic

December 5, 2008 2:43 PM | Link to this

CommunistAJC @ 2:03 PM - Noonan’s absolutely correct regarding the DHS. Using (false-flag) “terror” as a bogus pretext, the DNS will be/is being bolstered to better facilitate a police state. The Pentagon just announced they’ll be deploying 20,000 troops domestically using the same pretext. This is an obvious foreshadowing of (coming) martial law. If anyone doubts that, do some research on “Operation Garden Plot”, “REX 84”, “FEMA Camps” & note the continued Federal funding & influence on state & local law enforcement (i.e. - FLETC in Brunswick, etc.). The DHS should have never been created & should be dismantled. However, the opposite will (continue to) happen…more growth of Big Government size and empowerment, and with it continued shrinking of Constitutional rights & our freedoms!

By CommunistAJC

December 5, 2008 2:51 PM | Link to this

SaveOurRepublic, Those 20,000 troops are coming home in preparation for the nuke that will detonate in the coming months. Either that or for the pending attack by China. Just wait.

By SaveOurRepublic

December 5, 2008 3:30 PM | Link to this

CommunistAJC @ 2:51 PM - You’re probably correct about an attack of that magnitude within that time-period; however, it’ll probably be (another) false-flag op to justify martial law (they’ve been preparing for). The Elite are utilizing the economic crisis (by design) to create a more pliable populace, and another attack would seal the fate of our quickly dissolving Constitutional Republic.

By MAC

December 5, 2008 5:06 PM | Link to this

Martin was a weak candidate who got in a runoff solely on Obama’s coat tails. Obama was not in the runoff. Martin got creamed. Message sent, case closed.

By Hannity

December 5, 2008 5:14 PM | Link to this

On Fox News they’re asking whether voters were trying to send a message by re-electing Saxby Chambliss and denying Democrats a 60-vote margin in the Senate.

Jay watches Fox News?? He’s come out of the closet.

By CommunistAJC

December 5, 2008 5:22 PM | Link to this

SaveOurRepublic, Maybe, but then again, I keep reading about this new “America” where we combine with Canada and Mexico to form the North American Union. A lot of what is going on makes sense to me at this point. Government causes more problems then it does in solving them.

By SaveOurRepublic

December 5, 2008 6:23 PM | Link to this

CommunistAJC @ 5:22 PM - Indeed! The North American Union was largely hatched via the SPP summit in 2005 with Bush, Mexican President Fox (who openly admitted to a planned common currency on Larry King Live…video is on YouTube) and Canadian PM Martin. The NAU will leverage NAFTA, as they’re building the NAFTA/NASCO Superhighway (based off I-35, I-29, I-94 & CANAMEX Corridor). This will stretch from Puerto Cardalenas in Mexico thru the U.S. (with KC “inland port”) to Canada.

The Globalist Elite have long sought the end of our Constitutional Republic, and they’ve largely implemented their agenda “hidden in plain view”, thanks to an intentionally sheeplized populace. For much more info on the NAU/SPP & planned “Amero” currency, check out Dr.Jerome Corsi’s book “The Late Great U.S.A.: The Coming Merger With Mexico and Canada”, or the following site…

http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion.com

By Elrey Jones

December 5, 2008 7:48 PM | Link to this

Like I’ve said a 1000 times, I like Obama but never voted for him. He has too many ties to racist black organizations and white neo-Bolshevik types. They are the worst of humanity. I hope Obama is intelligent enough to stay near the middle. I guess I’m optimistic that he understands the left is racist and phony and girly, but that was what he had to cater to in order to get elected.

By Gail*too

December 5, 2008 10:17 PM | Link to this

Same goes for the rednecks, they didnt’t care if Obama is what’s best for the country at this time, McCain’s agenda was identical to Bush’s, who wanted to go through another four years of the same nonsense? they would not vote for Obama just because of his skin color, so what if the blacks voted for Obama because he’s black what’s the difference

By John

December 6, 2008 6:52 AM | Link to this

For all you people that live here in Georgia…yet say that Georgians are stupid…..please, I-85 NORTH will take you to Petersburg, Virginia and you can take I-95 NORTH to the part of the United States that is the liberal utopia.

Too cold for you? Then take I-20 WEST to where it merges with I-10 in the desert of west Texas and that will take you to California.

Don’t complain about our stupidity if you continue to live here!!

By Clear

December 6, 2008 8:15 AM | Link to this

Yes, a clear message. Eliminate the uniformed, goverment dependent, entitlement crazed, trapped in the ’60s race-baiters who look to the governemnt for more and more of their care and feeding, and don’t have a bone of responsibility, drive, or ambition (other than needing a cell, plasma and Escalade), and you have a Chambliss victory….

By catlady

December 6, 2008 8:40 AM | Link to this

uniformed, goverment (sic) dependent, entitlement crazed, trapped in the ’60s race-baiters who look to the governemnt for more and more of their care and feeding

So, does that mean you will turn down your social security check and your Medicare and your prescription drug benefits? Because you fit that profile in accepting them. And let’s not forget your tax write-off for your mortgage interest, you entitlement crazed scum.

See, the shoe fits on BOTH feet.

By Clear

December 6, 2008 8:49 AM | Link to this

Catlady - you’re partially correct. Except that my earnings pay my SS, we should not need Medicare nor Rx benefits. Tax write-off for my mortgage —- our house and other debts are paid off, so don’t need that. Oh, BTW, we also pay approx $9000 in property taxes, most of which goes to waste as we send our children to private school. All because my wife and I worked (and continue to) our tails off in college (including post grad and professional school). Now, you were saying….

By ToMHERE

December 6, 2008 8:49 AM | Link to this

Here’s the message: Filibuster. Shut down the government. Stand in the way of Obama. PLEASE. Nominate Huckabee or Palin or Gingrich in 2012. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE.

By gafarmer

December 6, 2008 9:17 AM | Link to this

For those of you who dislike Georgia and its elected representatives so much Delta, Amtrac, or the interstate system is ready when you are. Just remember, you have to exit I-285 to leave town.

By WTFER

December 6, 2008 11:22 AM | Link to this

This is just ONE small state! It certainly DOES NOT represent what the rest of the country was/is thinking… There is NO MESSAGE… just a bunch of scared white people who want to turn the clock back to 1958.

By vuduchld

December 6, 2008 12:04 PM | Link to this

Saxby’s election on Tuesday was another example of Georgia winning a battle, but losing a war. Right now, no one with a clear brain is listening to Chambliss or any other neocon dimwits, so his win, while giving the walking dead in this state a false sense of security will do nothing to keep our new President from forging along with his mandate from the people for change.

Also, for all of Saxby’s and other Republicans bluster, at the end of the day when states are lining up for money from Uncle Sam, he will be at the head of the line groveling for those dollars, just like Purdue, Sanford, Boehener, Palin and Jindall, so who’s fooling who here!?

By WhoCares

December 6, 2008 2:38 PM | Link to this

Message was pretty clear. The majority of the prople in this state did NOT vote for Obama and elected Saxby. SO all you candy a$$ liberal bed wetters that work and hang out on AJC blogs can get the hell out anytime you are ready.

By Midori

December 6, 2008 2:54 PM | Link to this

Who Cares,

spoken like the loser your party consists of.

Like the poster above said, you won the battle but lost the war.

Aren’t you tired of that yet???

By DB, Gwinnettian

December 6, 2008 3:08 PM | Link to this

“PLEASE. Nominate Huckabee or Palin or Gingrich in 2012. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE.”

And ensure that Obama wins with a popular vote margin that’d make Reagan’s in 1984 look puny? Sounds great to me!

By GaLiberal

December 6, 2008 4:15 PM | Link to this

I recently read an analysis that basically said Georgia’s re-election of ol’ Shameless is meaningless. The mid-cycle election will most likely give the Democrats their best shot at a 60+ majority. There was really no hope in the recent election (although it was damn close) so I’m not very concerned. The problem that Georgia voters fail to recognize is that ol’ Shameless will be a marginal player. He will not be chairing on any committees of consequence. I also expect the Democrats to further punish Rethuglicons by shifting federal spending to Democratic states. That means the F-22 probably will be going somewhere else.

When you vote Rethuglicon, you vote against your own best interests. And Georgia voters re-electing ol’ Shameless is living proof.

By TheMessageIs

December 6, 2008 7:55 PM | Link to this

GA blacks couldn’t bother to come out to vote for whitey, even though it might have further improved President Elect Obama’s chances of getting everything and anything he wants from Congress, at least for the next two years. The something-for-nothing crowd…stupid and lazy as usual. There’s the message.

By sean hannity

December 6, 2008 10:02 PM | Link to this

This sends a clear message, being near the bottom of the education rankings, Ga, proves once again that we are a state full of dumb rednecks. the right wing idiots get their marching orders from the likes of Limbaugh, Hannity, and Boortz. These are the same clowns that ordered you to vote the republicans in power in the first place. The republicans lied and screwed this country over, but the brilliant Georgians have not received the memo.

By tore

December 6, 2008 10:06 PM | Link to this

This sends a clear message, being near the bottom of the education rankings, Ga, proves once again that we are a state full of dumb rednecks. the right wing idiots get their marching orders from the likes of Limbaugh, Hannity, and Boortz. These are the same clowns that ordered you to vote the republicans in power in the first place. The republicans lied and screwed this country over, but the brilliant Georgians have not received the memo.

By Roger D Smart, PO1, USN, Retired

December 7, 2008 11:37 PM | Link to this

I am not a fan of Saxby Chambliss, but a Republican is better than having Jim Martin in office. My motto is this; A Democrat is not an American, but just a Democrat! Overall, they are all CROOKS.

By GodHatesTrash

December 8, 2008 4:53 AM | Link to this

Scare idiots elect sleazy worthless politician.

Dog bites man.

Bear craps in woods.

No news here.

By GaLiberal

December 8, 2008 8:33 AM | Link to this

**By TheMessageIs

December 6, 2008 7:55 PM | Link to this

GA blacks couldn’t bother to come out to vote for whitey, even though it might have further improved President Elect Obama’s chances of getting everything and anything he wants from Congress, at least for the next two years. The something-for-nothing crowd…stupid and lazy as usual. There’s the message.**

Typical racist Rethuglicon rant. What can you expect from dumb rednecks that listen to Faux News and run around wearing bed sheets and pillowcases.

When you vote Rethuglicon, you vote against your own best interests. And TheMessageIs racist rant is living proof.

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