Jay Bookman

By shiny happy people

November 23, 2008 11:47 AM | Link to this

are you scared, cause it sure seems like it.

good grief jay,

she’s still on your mind eh?

4 years is a long time in politcs, no?

By catlady

November 23, 2008 12:17 PM | Link to this

To the Republicans who think she’s “all that”, it’s all about the bling. Sarah has bling. Don’t look too closely, because you will see it is base metal instead of gold. If it rattles around in your pocket, it has value, right? Unfortunately, that rattling sound is the rocks in her head.

By Dusty

November 23, 2008 12:19 PM | Link to this

If anybody has a crush on Sarah Palin it is JAY BOOKMAN. He can’t get her off his mind.

Competence and knowledge huh? When you get to be a governor please tell us all about it.

In the meantime, just send her a valentine. We like her but don’t need to hear about dear Sarah every time your heart takes a leap. OK??

By shiny happy people

November 23, 2008 12:24 PM | Link to this

i don’t think she’s “all that” but daym,..

bling?

whatever

By Diane

November 23, 2008 12:35 PM | Link to this

She has great potential as a celebrity and of course we enjoy seeing her. There is something comical every time she appears. I would personally like to see her have a talk show on Fox. Or the other many things celebrity “personalities” do. However, there are a great deal of us (not necessarily the Liberals) who think she is not prepared to run the country. You are entitled to your words good or bad and isn’t a great country because we are entitled to ours? Good question Jay. I wondered if it was just about keeping their party in the white house or what it was exactly. I imagine she is a kind woman and has some true smarts. But not (any) smart, attractive, kind woman or man should run the country.

By shiny happy people

November 23, 2008 12:40 PM | Link to this

hillary clinton is no less qualified to run a pta meeting.

when are they going to take the sock out of Howard Dean’s pie hole.

By Soixante huitard

November 23, 2008 12:42 PM | Link to this

Last night I saw something that is a first.

I saw a “SARAH PALIN - Candidate for Vice President” sticker on the back of a car.

Now THAT is significant!!

I can’t imagine seeing anything equivalent for General Stockbridge or for poor old Dan Quayle (or even the rousing and dapper John Edwards for that matter)).

Getting out of this car, a pretty new Euro-model SUV, was an obviously upper middle class couple who were walking into a mobbed Target store (what depression?).

Now this was in East Cobb, mind you. But I’m just wondering whether these affluent folks are attracted to Palin because they feel she gets a raw deal from the media and they identify with this sense of aggrievement somehow. It’s interesting food for thought.

By RW-(the original)

November 23, 2008 12:47 PM | Link to this

Jay B.,

There’s a serious flaw in both this poll and your analysis of it. Most of us know that the media is going continue to fawn over all things Obama for the next four years and they’re already trying to give him cover by claiming that the problems we face will take at least five years to fix. If the public stays foolish enough to let “news”paper writers do their thinking for them then Obama will be reelected with ease in 2012.

Where the problem comes in is that the Republican that will likely lose in 2012 is over and done with so some portion of the people that claim that want Governor Palin to run in 2012 is to get rid of her and some of the ones that say they don’t want her to run in 2012 is because they would much rather she run in 2016 when she has a better chance to win.

By shiny happy people

November 23, 2008 12:51 PM | Link to this

isn’t that strange that Mrs. Soix would shine a light on ONE bumper sticker?

sad but true

By Soixante huitard

November 23, 2008 12:52 PM | Link to this

Dusty: If anybody has a crush on Sarah Palin it is JAY BOOKMAN. He can’t get her off his mind.

I don’t know, Dusty, I might have him beat. The lady’s preetty hot, what with furry jackets and turkeys being slaughtered in the background. Just gets my Freudian juices flowing (you know, castration complex and so forth, “Sarah in fur”). It’s enough to get a crusty leftist like me to identifying with my inner frontierman evangelical.

By Soixante huitard

November 23, 2008 12:58 PM | Link to this

I don’t follow you, shiny.

Are you saying I’m wrong to think it’s unusual? And what do you mean by ‘that ONE’ sticker?

I could be wrong — and I’d happily concede my error if someone can point it out — but that represents the first tiem that a VP candidate has gotten their very own sticker.

By Jenna

November 23, 2008 12:59 PM | Link to this

Yes interesting! She would not make the cut to run any fortune 500 company, but the GOP puts her forward as top pick for President.

I am waiting for the Dems to run Angelina Jolie against Palin in 2012 - then we would have some entertainment! For my money Jolie is more qualified - she now knows Africa is not a country and she is willing to go nude - that will entice even the strongest of Palin’s supporters.

She also has more children (including orphans) and still finds time for world travel and philanthropy. Also Brad Pitt beats Todd Palin hands down for first dude! Jolie 2012! Is it really such a stretch?

By AJC/DNC Management

November 23, 2008 1:00 PM | Link to this

The AJC’s obsession with Sarah Palin

Man, these libs are truly insane-

They see the presidency in more symbolic terms, which means they value those candidates who epitomize America as they wish to see it.

You got to be kidding, right?

Do you giggle to yourself while you write these Alice In Wonderland diatribes, kookman, knowing full well your moron readership hasn’t the sense to see that you are actually describing the election of Wonder Boy?

But I guess you are right in one respect, if I were you, I’d be worried to death about Palin too.

By AJC/DNC Management

November 23, 2008 1:09 PM | Link to this

By getalife November 23, 2008 10:50 AM Andy, What brand LCD and have you had any problems with it?

al-Gitmo: I have a Westinghouse 46” LCD, which had a bunch of great reviews and it was cheap, the HD picture is outstanding but the 480 broadcast is lame, but that won’t be a problem next year when all signals are HD.

I also have a 30” RCA LCD and it is stunning in all broadcast modes. It’s almost 4 years old without any problems at all.

By getalife

November 23, 2008 1:10 PM | Link to this

Sarah who?

Let it go.

By Jenna

November 23, 2008 1:14 PM | Link to this

Soix - she probably had them printed herself and handed them out at her rallies. There was an instance in a televised rally - that the media pointed out signs that said “Palin 2008” and left McCain off the signs completely. It is interesting to see the GOP going down this road - also odder still to have old wealthy men saying how “qualified” she is and how she can educate herself before 2012! Lowering standards is not going to help the GOP! I also heard that there were several write-in votes for Joe the Plumber and he also has a bumper sticker for 2012! Analyze that! George W. started a GOP trend to grade on a curve?

By AJC/DNC Management

November 23, 2008 1:17 PM | Link to this

By Greg Mendel November 23, 2008 10:00 AM Vietnam dragged on because flagwavers pushed blind patriotism over reason. If you think we lost the war because of Watergate, you’re just out of your mind.

Two things, Gregory, those “flag wavers” wanted to win the Vietnam war not surrender to the communists, thereby wasting those 58,000 lives like you libs eventually did.

Watergate ushered in a meek Gerald Ford and a surrender monkey lib congress (sounds familiar, don’t it?) which cut off funding to the South Vietnamese military who had held their own country, on their own, for more than two years. The war had wrecked their economy and they were totally dependent on us for assistance, and we cut their throats.

Plain and simple.

By Soixante huitard

November 23, 2008 1:21 PM | Link to this

But I have to confess: I am absolutely baffled by the continued GOP support for Palin.

Don’t forget, Jay, one of the most fundamental lessons that a psychoanalytic approach to politics teaches, which is: people identify with a candidate’s weaknesses at least as much as they identify with their perceived strengths and virtues.

One classical historical example among many: Hitler did not captivate and inspire through his physical strength or an aura of extraordinary virtue. One the contrary, with his hysterical theatrics and gestures of rage he conveyed something of the helplessness and victimization that the masses of people in his crowds wanted to feel or felt they were entitled to feel. So they projected their own weakness onto him and thus embraced him as a symbol of their weakness.

In this sense, liberals should not have any illlusions about Sarah Palin.

One the one hand — as Karl Rove has clearly indicated — the woman is demonstrably unprepared to be president. However, there is a trap here. The more that she continues to receive treatment that is perceived as condescending, the more she will have people willing to get in her corner and embrace as a symbol of their own feeling of inferiority and inadequacy. This is an essential — if underappreciated — aspect of Right wing politics and of the so-called “Southern strategy” perfected by thee ever-resentful Richard Nixon.

By catlady

November 23, 2008 1:21 PM | Link to this

Diane, what a great idea! A show about All Things Sarah. Or maybe one of those where the camera follows her around her family life like it did that airhead that was confused about Chicken of the Sea—wasn’t it tuna? Or maybe a QVC type show where she sells off unneeded things from Alaska. Or a show like Are you Smarter than a Governor? The list is endless.

As to those who claim she must be something because she did get elected governor—look at some of the other governors from various places in the US over the last 25 years. Puts it in perspective.

If the Republicans hope to recoup, they need to look beyond those who lost this election to some of their genuinely intelligent rising stars. Someone more centrist who has a grasp of current affairs as more than who has slept with whom outside of marriage.

By the facts

November 23, 2008 1:26 PM | Link to this

Sarah is X2 the women Hillary is.

By Sonia

November 23, 2008 1:27 PM | Link to this

Palin is just a Bush in lipstick. She’s lucky that there are millions of people aching to be fooled thrice.

By Greg Mendel

November 23, 2008 1:32 PM | Link to this

I’ve long thought we should elect the “real” president, who would quietly run the country, and the “spokesperson” president, who wouldn’t have any power, but would look great on TV and have a beer with everybody.

By Soixante huitard

November 23, 2008 1:35 PM | Link to this

Anger management: Two things, Gregory, those “flag wavers” wanted to win the Vietnam war not surrender to the communists, thereby wasting those 58,000 lives like you libs eventually did.

Better rethink your terms, Mang’ment. It was the ‘libs’ who got us into Vietnam in the first place (of which you’re one too, btw, though you may not like to acknowledge it).

What are you reading for history books anyway? Are you getting all your history from blogs with tacky black backgrounds, Management? Huh?

You know, there’s a wonderful series produced by PBS in the 80s on the Vietnam War. I’m sure you’d learn alot.

Or is that just enemy propaganda to you?

By getalife

November 23, 2008 1:36 PM | Link to this

Thanks Andy.

By Dusty

November 23, 2008 1:43 PM | Link to this

Dear soixie,12:52

You have aninner frontier man evangelical like a turkey comes live stuffed with dressing. It just doesn’t happen. I think you are filled with fluffy dandelion puffs tied with pink ribbons and potpourri, ‘specially the pourri. Not a Sarah Palin type whatsoever.

I don’t get the castration bit but don’t explain it to me.

You totally miss why Sarah Palin has people showing up with Sarah bumper stickers. SHE HAS POWERFUL POLITICAL CHARM, bub. Bookman knows it and (when his heart is not going pittypatpow) he is trying to get a head start on the debunking process. He’s hardly even noticed the pusillanimous Martin debate. Why worry about the samll fry when the big ones may block the sun?

By the way, soixie, do you happen to be acquainted with the fearless fopperish Captain Freedom? I keep getting a whiff of Cappie’s particular brand of libelous literati. Sniff…..sniff…hmmmmm

By greg

November 23, 2008 1:48 PM | Link to this

Palin is at least as qualified as obama to be president, so what’s the problem. Give Sarah $700 million, and thousands of media cheerleaders, and she would win at least 70 percent of the vote. Her primary appeals is that she isn’t a lawyer, and she doesn’t come out of the DC cesspool. At least she has run a state, the only thing obama has run is his mouth. What about all that “change you can believe in,” so far it looks more like Back to the Future with all the Clinton retreads, or is that retards?

By AJC/DNC Management

November 23, 2008 1:51 PM | Link to this

By Soixante huitard November 23, 2008 1:35 PM Better rethink your terms, Mang’ment. It was the ‘libs’ who got us into Vietnam in the first place (of which you’re one too, btw, though you may not like to acknowledge it).

Suxie: I know who got us into Vietnam, believe me.

What are you reading for history books anyway? Are you getting all your history from blogs with tacky black backgrounds, Management? Huh? You know, there’s a wonderful series produced by PBS in the 80s on the Vietnam War. I’m sure you’d learn alot.

I have every single episode on VHS, your point?

By Dusty

November 23, 2008 1:57 PM | Link to this

Oh my, the libs are playing the jealous woman bit today. Sonia, Cattylady, and Jenna couldn’t win honorable mention at a cat show. Pull in your claws, ladies. Sarah Palin has you beat a mile.

In the meantime, Soixie is giving us the old psychological bit, a long study of hooey.

Sarah Palin did not get where she is for lack of brains. It does not take a British accent and sauve soiree to indicate intelligence. Obvious, libs are impressed with such as that and a little smooth oratory and they are caught—hook, line and sinker. Then they smooth their bleached blond hair and murmur “Gauche!!”

Yeah, just WAIT!!!!

By "The Corporal"

November 23, 2008 2:02 PM | Link to this

To Jay

I see the president as someone who actually has to run the country.

False on it’s face. No one person (even the President) runs the country. You surround yourself with competent staff and advisors and make the best decision as problems arise or work on efforts to correct them before they do. As a result, a delegator (i.e., Reagan) is better than a micromanager (i.e., Carter).

Now concerning Obama, he is already not the same person he was as a candidate. It was the classic bait and switch and the liberal wing of your party is already getting a little upset. Obama is no dummy but he has the qualifications that would make him a better used car salesman than a President.

P.S. Anyone who would vote (as he did) against saving the life of a child born from a botched abortion has made a disturbing, immoral and I believe even criminal decision. If you want to debate that ….. let’s go!

By Soixante huitard

November 23, 2008 2:09 PM | Link to this

Hey, greg: Palin is at least as qualified as obama to be president, so what’s the problem.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but she is most definitely and demonstrably NOT as qualified as Obama.

No one. Not a single serious and reasonable observer — on either side of the political spectrum — would claim that she was.

By Soixante huitard

November 23, 2008 2:15 PM | Link to this

Management: I have every single episode on VHS, your point?

That’s good. Then surely you know that we got into the Vietnam War through the doings of politicians whom most would call ‘liberal’.

So it seems your gripe has to do not with ‘liberals’ but with ‘anti-war activists’ and protesters, which should not be confused with the former. As I said, for purposes of discussing military campaigns against N Vietnam, I am a liberal and so are you.

By "The Corporal"

November 23, 2008 2:24 PM | Link to this

To Soixi

1) Palin was running for V.P. remember?

And ….. she was just as qualified for V.P. as Obama is for President. Few V.P. nominees have been qualified to immediately step in to the Presidency should the need arise. We have just been lucky in the past in that regard.

In four years she may or may not be qualified to be President depending on what she does between now and then.

2) Serious question. Since you mentioned the military campaigns against North Vietnam, do you know why that war was lost? This is not for an argument - I mean really?

By AJC/DNC Management

November 23, 2008 2:24 PM | Link to this

Suxie- It matters not to me who started what, despite your thesis I am not a liberal babbling mindlessly for years on end about “WMD” or the “Gulf of Tonkin,” no, the important thing to me is whether we kept our word as an honorable nation and do not abandon our allies.

The liberal democrats failed miserably in this respect in Vietnam.

They could still do it in Iraq.

By How To Field Dress A Liberal, SARAH PALIN-Style (Mad As Zell)

November 23, 2008 2:27 PM | Link to this

I wonder why Jay is so very SCARED of a Sarah Palin candidacy for President? Could it be that Gov. Palin would eat the Ayatollah’s lunch if he had to face her in the General Election? Could it be that Gov. Palin will lead this nation back towards God by putting prayer back in schools, ending on-demand abortion, protecting our nation’s gun rights and riding the U.S.A. of that sick, disgusting and disgraceful moral outrage called gay marriage once and for all! Jay and his “progressive” ilk is scarily afraid of a GODLY candidate like Sarah Palin who reads her Bible daily and pledges her allegiance to the flag unlike the Ayatollah who reads his KORAN and turns towards Mecca five times daily and refuses to pledge allegiance to the flag. That’s probably the reason for Jay’s OBSESSION with Gov. Palin, the reason why Jay and the left have vicious and recurring nightmares about Gov. Palin, why the left can’t get her out of their heads and are trying everything they can to try and discredit her at all costs. The left knows that Sarah Palin is coming back with a vengeance for that leftist throat to save our nation from the defeatists, the secularists, the atheists, the gay agenda, Hollywood and the abortists in 2012!

Palin/Jindal ‘12

By How To Field Dress A Liberal, SARAH PALIN-Style (Mad As Zell)

November 23, 2008 2:28 PM | Link to this

I wonder why Jay is so very SCARED of a Sarah Palin candidacy for President? Could it be that Gov. Palin would eat the Ayatollah’s lunch if he had to face her in the General Election? Could it be that Gov. Palin will lead this nation back towards God by putting prayer back in schools, ending on-demand abortion, protecting our nation’s gun rights and riding the U.S.A. of that sick, disgusting and disgraceful moral outrage called gay marriage once and for all! Jay and his “progressive” ilk is scarily afraid of a GODLY candidate like Sarah Palin who reads her Bible daily and pledges her allegiance to the flag unlike the Ayatollah who reads his KORAN and turns towards Mecca five times daily and refuses to pledge allegiance to the flag. That’s probably the reason for Jay’s OBSESSION with Gov. Palin, the reason why Jay and the left have vicious and recurring nightmares about Gov. Palin, why the left can’t get her out of their heads and are trying everything they can to try and discredit her at all costs. The left knows that Sarah Palin is coming back with a vengeance for that leftist throat to save our nation from the defeatists, the secularists, the atheists, the gay agenda, Hollywood and the abortists in 2012!

Palin/Jindal ‘12

By Midori

November 23, 2008 2:28 PM | Link to this

on a lighter note: watch this hilarious Rahm Emmanuel skit from SNL

By hrh

November 23, 2008 2:43 PM | Link to this

“My best guess is that those who support her have a very different concept of the presidency than I do. I see the president as someone who actually has to run the country, so I value traits such as competence and knowledge. They see the presidency in more symbolic terms, which means they value those candidates who epitomize America as they wish to see it.”

You’re kidding me, right? If you voted for BO, you just selected the most “symbolic” president ever elected. He won by being “the first African American to be President.” Which in itself is actually false symbolism; he’s really “the first mixed-race person to be president.”

He did not win on his competence to run anything. Because he has no record of ever running anything. His only competency is running for office - and he’s been running for presdident since at least 2004.

He did not win because of any competencies; check out www.howobamagotelected.com to see who voted for him …

By Soixante huitard

November 23, 2008 2:53 PM | Link to this

Management: the important thing to me is whether we kept our word as an honorable nation and do not abandon our allies

You mean, like we did to the Kurds in the first Iraq war?

Well, if honor is your criterion, I can understand your frustration. It has not been the guiding principle of US foreign policy as the US ruthlessly pursues its own narrow interests like any other nation state.

By Joey

November 23, 2008 2:58 PM | Link to this

I am not a full-blooded Republican, but I acknowledge that I support a Palin run in 2012.

By 2012 we are going to be in a world of hurt. We are going to need someone who is trust worthy and unafraid to confront the dishonest. Palin has shownus that for certain.

Two years ago I was, still am, angry at Republicans for being so drunk with power that they could not curb their spending. For behaving like Democrats.

Now Dems are in control of Executive and Legislative Branches. A recipe for spending and defense disasters.

All you Democrat supporters can turn your backs on the truth of how we arrived in this economic messs. But the truth of Democrats leading us down this path is undisputable.

Ignoring this truth and trusting that somehow, someway they will behave differently now that they are in total control will not yield the result that you hope for.

By RW-(the original)

November 23, 2008 2:58 PM | Link to this

hrh,

Obama does actually have experience running one thing. The Chicago Annenberg Challenge and it was a total flop.

By "The Corporal"

November 23, 2008 3:00 PM | Link to this

To Soixi and Management

Have you considered this?

Take all the liberal and conservative politics, tactics, numbers of troops, the press issue, the will of the American people, honor or lack thereof and everything else you can think of involving that conflict and set it aside.

Now:

1) In the Korean War, the DMZ was approximately 250 miles wide with an ocean on both sides. The opposing armies (N. Korea/China vs. S. Korea/U.N. Forces) pushed each other back and forth across it several times.

Eventually, a stalemate was reached at that location and as a result as U.S. Division (2nd Infantry) sits near there and S. Korea remains a democracy.

2) In the Vietnam War, the DMZ was only 50 miles wide with an ocean on the east side and Laos on the west. The opposing armies (N. Vietnam (assisted by China and Russia) vs. S. Vietnam/U.S./S. Korea/Australia/New Zealand/Thailand, Philippines and others) battled over the DMZ.

After TET 1968, the Viet Cong became basically a non-issue (as the North Vietnamese had planned).

Had Laos on the west instead been the Sea of Laos we wouldn’t even be having this discussion. The Viet Cong would have been slowly eliminated, the massive infiltration of North Vietnamese troops through Laos and Cambodia would have not happened, a U.S. Division (maybe the 25th Infantry) would be sitting on or near the DMZ and South Vietnam would still be a functioning democracy.

Bottom line ? It was geography pure and simple that determined the final outcome. Had the geography been different the great numbers of troops would never even have had to have been sent. If you can’t control your battlefield and its borders you are in trouble ……… sound familiar ?

By getalife

November 23, 2008 3:03 PM | Link to this

RW,

What about the 2008 Presidential campaign beating the Clinton and Rove political machines?

By Soixante huitard

November 23, 2008 3:13 PM | Link to this

I followed you Corporal until this: It was geography pure and simple that determined the final outcome.

How can geography determine the outcome in this case?

I know Napoleon supposedly said “geography is destiny”, but that to me sounds more like a ruse.

To your question on why we won, is that your answer?

Btw, I remember being quite struck at G Bush’s views on Vietnam, which seemed rather confused but seemed to hint at the view that the reason we lost is we had politicians making decisions, not those with miliary know-how. I had grown up incined towards the belief John McCain expressed this year about not committing in a war such as Vietnam (guerilla war) without being committed to total war to win. I don’t know, are they the same? What do you think?

By RW-(the original)

November 23, 2008 3:16 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Obama didn’t run his campaign, he made speeches.

By Frederick Douglass

November 23, 2008 3:18 PM | Link to this

Not that it matters, Palin’s 15 minutes are up, but are some of you have got to be kidding. This woman has proven, time after time, that calling her an idiot would be a compliment. Isn’t this the same scenario that got us where we are today, an incompetent (Dubya) leading us? Thankfully, there was a referendum on that type of leadership on Nov. 4th, Palin will never reach that height again.

By AJC/DNC Management

November 23, 2008 3:23 PM | Link to this

By Soixante huitard November 23, 2008 2:53 PM Management: the important thing to me is whether we kept our word as an honorable nation and do not abandon our allies- You mean, like we did to the Kurds in the first Iraq war?

Colin Powell?

By getalife

November 23, 2008 3:26 PM | Link to this

Well RW,

I have to give him credit for running one of the best campaigns in history and hopes he governs as well.

I think Jay is concerned about palin because we just survived one idiotic governor from Texas and could not survive another idiotic kook.

Jay is just being a “real American” thinking “country first.”

By Soixante huitard

November 23, 2008 3:26 PM | Link to this

Management: Colin Powell?

No, George H. W. Bush.

By AJC/DNC Management

November 23, 2008 3:32 PM | Link to this

By “The Corporal” November 23, 2008 3:00 PM In the Vietnam War, the DMZ was only 50 miles wide with an ocean on the east side and Laos on the west. The opposing armies (N. Vietnam (assisted by China and Russia) vs. S. Vietnam/U.S./S. Korea/Australia/New Zealand/Thailand, Philippines and others) battled over the DMZ.

Are you kidding me, there were hardly any actions of significance in the DMZ, we were fighting in the entire South.

After TET 1968, the Viet Cong became basically a non-issue (as the North Vietnamese had planned).

So was the NVA but we let a freaking “news” anchor turn a stunning victory into total defeat, unreal.

Had Laos on the west instead been the Sea of Laos we wouldn’t even be having this discussion.

Now extend that border all the way through Laos and Cambodia to the sea of Thailand and what have you got?

Bottom line ? It was geography pure and simple that determined the final outcome.

I agree 100%, we were fighting in the wrong part of the country, we should have taken the fight all the way to Hanoi.

On day one.

By Dave

November 23, 2008 3:33 PM | Link to this

I never got great marks and came to detest those who did. And as far as God, I was lost until I learned who was going to Heaven and who wasn’t. In short, I got no place for elitists and no place for sinners. Being that my whole life has been built around this, asking me to turn the other way would yank the carpet out from beneath me, dumping me on my butt much harder than the incompetence of a president ever could. I cling to Sarah Palin because I have no choice. To do otherwise is to admit I am built on false pretenses.

By AJC/DNC Management

November 23, 2008 3:38 PM | Link to this

By Soixante huitard November 23, 2008 3:26 PM Management: Colin Powell? No, George H. W. Bush.

Uh, not-

President George H. Bush and advisors such as Colin Powell were determined not to draw the country into a conflict which would result in vast Vietnam War-style collateral damage.

They were skeered.

By mark

November 23, 2008 3:41 PM | Link to this

Just because she was not fully prepared this time, does not necessarily mean she will be not in 4 years time.

By Zogby Poll

November 23, 2008 3:43 PM | Link to this

Gov Palin has both competence and knowledge which is more than the post election polls say about Obama voters.

By Greg Mendel

November 23, 2008 3:45 PM | Link to this

“I am not a liberal babbling mindlessly for years on end about “WMD” or the “Gulf of Tonkin,” no, the important thing to me is whether we kept our word as an honorable nation and do not abandon our allies” — AC/DC

The important thing to me is whether the US government tells the truth to the American people.

Following your logic, we would have never invaded Iraq because we’d still be fighting in Vietnam today!

The flagwavers refused to admit so many troops were dying for a mistake. So, we kept feeding the meat grinder in hopes of a “victory” that would spare us the uncomfortable truth. What, exactly, would we have gained from fighting that war a day longer than we did? Being able to say we were an honorable nation because we sent a generation to die for a South Vietnam government that was notoriously corrupt?

If you don’t hold governments accountable for Tonkin Gulfs and No WMD, you keep getting into quagmires.

By J. Carpenter

November 23, 2008 3:49 PM | Link to this

The affection of many conservatives for Palin is soooooo differant and irrational than what will certainly go down in history as one of the most over-the-top infatuations of the American public for Barack Obama a politician with no significant political achievements at any level.

Let me amend that: Obam’s accomplishment has been in demonstrating that a man can, if he gives a few good (not great by any means) speeches, writes two autobiographies, but who COULD NOT obtain admission to the armed services because of reticence to release personel records, can aspire to and obtain the presidency.

After Stonehedge, Bigfoot, and Crop Circles the mystery of how this could have occurred will be one I am not likely to fathom.

By J. Carpenter

November 23, 2008 3:51 PM | Link to this

he affection of many conservatives for Palin is soooooo differant and irrational than what will certainly go down in history as one of the most over-the-top infatuations of the American public for Barack Obama a politician with no significant political achievements at any level.

Let me amend that: Obam’s accomplishment has been in demonstrating that a man can, if he gives a few good (not great by any means) speeches, writes two autobiographies, but who COULD NOT obtain admission to the armed services because of reticence to release personel records, can aspire to and obtain the presidency.

After Stonehedge, Bigfoot, and Crop Circles the mystery of how this could have occurred will be one I am not likely to fathom.

By Alan

November 23, 2008 3:51 PM | Link to this

The all out attack on Gov Palin by the pro-Obama press (that includes you Jay) is over now, Obama won. To continue to slander our candidate just makes you look like the tool that you are.

By AJC/DNC Management

November 23, 2008 3:52 PM | Link to this

By Greg Mendel November 23, 2008 3:45 PM Being able to say we were an honorable nation because we sent a generation to die for a South Vietnam government that was notoriously corrupt?

You can’t tell the difference between a freely elected democrat society and one run by dictators that butcher their citizens wholesale to maintain their hold on power?

Really?

By Frederick Douglass

November 23, 2008 4:00 PM | Link to this

Okay, if you were quasi-educated in Georgia in the last 25 years, then it’s clear why someone would think Sarah Palin is competent, but really. This Obama voter knows beyond a shadow of a doubt that he’s smarter than Palin, Africa’s a country, HA!

By no to nannystate

November 23, 2008 4:08 PM | Link to this

to Frederick Douglass… and you’re really well-informed (not!)

Palin-Africa Leak by ‘McCain Insider’ was a Hoax The story eagerly reported as much by Fox News as MSNBC concerning Sarah Palin’s inability to identify Africa as a continent has been found to have been a hoax, along with the non-existent McCain insider who was said to have leaked it.

Martin Eisenstadt, a senior fellow at the Harding Institute for Freedom and Democracy and apparent McCain policy advisor, is an elaborate invention of two obscure filmmakers who also made fake TV and YouTube clips to add to the ruse.

They say that what has happened is a shining example of how shoddy reporting has become commonplace in the media and blogosphere, with the truth falling victim to the need to feed an insatiable 24-hour news cycle.

By MoveOn Please

November 23, 2008 4:10 PM | Link to this

Hey Jay, news flash - Obama won, you now have control of the House, Senate & Executive branch. I realize that you and your liberal media buddies only know how to scream and whine about Palin, Bush, Repub’s, etc. but guess what? You’re in charge now! It’s quite obvious from your continual bashing of Palin that you haven’t figured out to how to make that transition yet.

By Taxpayer

November 23, 2008 4:10 PM | Link to this

Obama should offer Palin an Ambassadorship — Africa perhaps.

By Zogby Poll

November 23, 2008 4:22 PM | Link to this

Thank you to all you morons harping on the hoax Africa story. You are just proving my point of Obama voters being ignorant and gullible. That story (as were many others about Gov Palin) was later proved to be absolutely untrue. The fact that you didn’t know it says a lot about your knowledge of what heck is going on in this world.

By Tarzan of Africa

November 23, 2008 4:28 PM | Link to this

Actually, the fact that some people get so wired up over some things says a lot as well. At least I think that’s what Cheetah is trying to say. Maybe Jane can help. We could take a poll.

By Booger

November 23, 2008 4:41 PM | Link to this

Wrong, Zogby.

The guy who outed himself as the source of that story — THAT turned out to be a hoax.

But the story itself stands as true, according to Carl Cameron of Faux News.

Now … what were you saying about gullible and ignorant?

By Soixante huitard

November 23, 2008 4:47 PM | Link to this

Management: Bottom line ? It was geography pure and simple that determined the final outcome.

I agree 100%, we were fighting in the wrong part of the country, we should have taken the fight all the way to Hanoi.

But then, it wasn’t ultimately really a geographic problem was it?

By the way, if you want to talk about a place where may geography really is destiny, how about Afghanistan? But even there, it’s not the geographic per se but the way it’s intertwined with the political - tribal, religious, etc. - that’s so daunting.

By "The Corporal"

November 23, 2008 4:55 PM | Link to this

To Soixi and Mangagement

A couple of points.

1) Vietnam was a conventional - not a guerilla war.

It only started out that way and was somewhat so up until TET 1968. Roughly 90% of the decisive parts of the war involved South Vietnamese and U.S. units vs. the North Vietnamese Army. Any serious study (and there have been many) show that (i.e. “Stolen Valor” by B.G. Burkett and “On Strategy” by Harry Summers).

2) There were numerous large scale engagements in or near the DMZ over several years not the least of which were the battles of Con Thien in 1967 (I was there) and Khe Sahn in 1968. The N.V. conducted a quasi-successful invasion through the DMZ in April of 1972 and of course used it again as their main invasion route in the spring of 1975.

3) Finally, let me put it this way ………..

There are many reasons one could say why the South Vietnamese lost the war (we had been gone for three years) but none of those points would be valid if the geography would have been as I described. They would all be moot.

There was no way we were ever going to ivade N.V. anymore than we didn’t invade China in the Korean War. All we wanted was the status quo. With different geography, that could have easily happened as we could have sealed off the DMZ as we did in Korea.

I believe Iraq and Afghanistan will eventually turn out the same way for the exact same reason. You can’t control their borders from infiltration.

It’s just that simple.

By "The Corporal"

November 23, 2008 5:00 PM | Link to this

To Management

And to what degree of corruptness would you decline to provide assistance? You have to provide it a chance to grow.

Our own government is corrupt in many ways …………

By Richard

November 23, 2008 5:06 PM | Link to this

If Palin gets the GOP nomination in 2012, the entire Democratic party will be doing backflips.

By Soixante huitard

November 23, 2008 5:12 PM | Link to this

And to add to what Booger said about Zogby saying Obama supporters are gullible. That’s a misconception.

As I mentioned on this forum recently, the infamous ‘Africa’ gaffe serves a certain purpose and there is nothing you can do about it. because quite frankly it doesn’t really matter whether it actually happened or not. I’m not kidding. In that sense it’s much like Dan Quayle’s ‘potato’ gaffe. If it hadn’t been that, something else more or less similar would have been found, and ultimately, an incident would have to be invented (sometimes an apocryphal story can be even more damning than verifiable one). So instead of talking about the Africa incident as a manufactured storey, let’s talk about WHY it was manufactured. Some stories — like myths — are not accidental.

By AJC/DNC Management

November 23, 2008 5:12 PM | Link to this

Back in December of last year, candidate Barack Obama said, “The real gamble in this election is playing the same Washington game with the same Washington players and expecting a different result.”

So who’s in charge of this administration?

By AJC/DNC Management

November 23, 2008 5:21 PM | Link to this

By “The Corporal” November 23, 2008 5:00 PM To Management And to what degree of corruptness would you decline to provide assistance? You have to provide it a chance to grow.

Well let’s see, we provided monetary assistance and the South Vietnamese had the bombs and bullets to hold off the North, we cut off assistance and they didn’t.

Seems pretty cut and dried, don’t it?

Even more so, our B52’s were a frightful killer of the NVA, we could basically dictate what they could do, and of course, some spineless democrat amendment shut all that down.

democrats are pitiful little people.

By TW

November 23, 2008 5:24 PM | Link to this

democrats are pitiful little people.

Several of those who lost their lives in Iraq were Democrats.

By wait one minute

November 23, 2008 5:26 PM | Link to this

just mention rush, hannity, boortz….

or the ever dreaded o’reilly/gallup galápagos…

By Mrs.Godzilla

November 23, 2008 5:30 PM | Link to this

I wish a long and happy life to the lovely Governor - in Alaska.

She is not now, nor will she ever be ready to be President of the United States of America.

She’s always welcome for luncheon.

By mr chitlans

November 23, 2008 5:32 PM | Link to this

a governor from arkansas is just as good eh?

By AMike

November 23, 2008 5:38 PM | Link to this

I have news for you Jay: Its precisely because we view the President “as someone who actually has to run the country” that we want to see Sarah (or someone like her) as President. She has the smarts, the cred, the executive experience and the values.

By AJC/DNC Management

November 23, 2008 6:02 PM | Link to this

O.K. so we all know that the majority of the “educated” went for Oblahmi and we also know that Oblahmi voters have no idea which political party is in charge of Congress.

So what does this say of our current education system?

Anybody want to bet that the “educated” are able to list all of the various grievances against America from A-Z?

Seriously, you do not emerge from college able to cope with life and be successful, no, you have basically blossomed into a Class A diaper filler.

With zero useful knowledge.

And now there is talk of the twilight of America’s power, I would like to think that we have more sense than to throw that out the window but, really, if you hate America like these “educated” liberals have been taught to do, what, pray tell, would be your goal in life?

To defeat the Great Satan?

That being said, you pinkkkos are free to resume whining about how awful the United States is.

I pray for you America.

By SM

November 23, 2008 6:04 PM | Link to this

Let me see, She cut property taxes by 75% and HER OWN salary by 10%. Besides opposing the $400 million “Bridge to Nowhere,” Palin as governor used her veto power to cut nearly $2 billion from the state budget. She was successful in enacting ethics reform legislation. While pushing to develop more energy resources, she reformed the system for paying Alaskans royalties FROM OIL PRODUCTION. That will enable her to deliver a REBATE of $1,200 — in addition to $2,069 in dividends — TO EACH RESIDENT OF THE STATE.

After joining the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission in 2003, she led an ethics probe of the commission’s chairman, Randy Ruedrich, who also was the state GOP chairman. Facing conflict-of-interest-allegations, Ruedrich admitted ethics violations and resigned.

She is the CHIEF of the National Guard in Alaska, and holds THE SECURITY OF THE UNITED STATES IN HER HANDS, as far as keeping an eye on Russia. Their Neighbor!

Has Obama done any of these things?

She has done them all.

That’s experience!!!

I will continue to watch, and in the next election, I will VOTE FOR the one that SHOWS ME, THAT THEY ARE NOT AFRAID TO DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO RUN THE COUNTRY WITH A FIRM HAND, NO MATTER WHAT IT TAKES.

NO MORE SITTING ON THE COUCH.

I’M WATCHING! SHOW ME THE GOODS, AND YOU HAVE MY VOTE.

By AmVet

November 23, 2008 6:04 PM | Link to this

Willie went to Oxford on as a Rhodes scholar, where extraordinary intellectual distinction is required.

Sarah went to North Idaho CC and U of Idaho..

By fred

November 23, 2008 6:07 PM | Link to this

Amongst my relatives, friends, and acquaintances, those with degrees in the hard sciences, math, physics, engineering, etc, tend to have a much higher opinion of Sarah Palin’s intelligence than do those with degrees in the social sciences.

Of course, the first group tends to be more conservative than does the second group. I suppose those in the hard sciences weren’t subjected to nearly as much liberal brainwashing in the classroom as was those majoring in the social sciences.

And then there’s the fact that some people have trouble following the governor’s non-linear thought and speech patterns. She and most conservatives think on a different level than do liberals with their emotional, feel good, “logic”.

By TW

November 23, 2008 6:19 PM | Link to this

She and most conservatives think on a different level than do liberals with their emotional, feel good, “logic

That’s all fine and dandy. But if you are going to socially promote Simple Sarah into the intellectual, conservative segment of the GOP, you alienate the bush league contingent she claims for her base.

In reality she is ‘w’ minus the tackle.

Been there, done that. No thank you.

By "The Corporal"

November 23, 2008 6:22 PM | Link to this

To Management

I hear you and what you say is true but I still say the problem was the geography. It was only a matter of time until our politicians got cold feet so eventually it was going to happen. A defensible border/DMZ would have prevented that.

I am totally convinced (and some of this is due to modern technology, t.v., etc.) that the American people will never again support an extended war of any kind no matter how just. Martians could have landed and be eating liberals only alive and after a few years they would be saying no more war - the Martians are our brothers.

Remember, if Lincoln had not shut down many northern newspapers and put their editors in jail, the South would have won the war (by not losing it) as the northern public had had enough and wanted to just let the South go in peace.

By Mark M

November 23, 2008 6:30 PM | Link to this

The candidate better be FairTax. I learned about it in 2005 and it was a main issue for me on ‘08. Should be more popular in ‘12.

By TW

November 23, 2008 6:34 PM | Link to this

Mark M - what number are you using for the flat tax?

By no nanny state

November 23, 2008 6:37 PM | Link to this

Fred.. I’ve had the same experience. My husband and several of our friends are highly intelligent (and published) professors (Emory, Ga Tech)in physics, math,and economics. They are ALL conservative.

By Kenneth Brinzer

November 23, 2008 6:43 PM | Link to this

Hey Jay:

Palin is very competent. It’s just that you can’t see it because you’re very, very biased.

I trust Sarah Palin and can assure you that you are not her intellectual equal. I’d love to see you in a debate with her. You’d get crushed.

As for Sarah Palin, I’ll bet she has more competence and more character than anyone you voted for in this past election.

Ken Brinzer Pittsburgh PA

By Tarzan of Africa

November 23, 2008 6:50 PM | Link to this

fred,

that’s hardly a logical thought process you have going there. It sounds more like it’s based on emotion than anything else. You surely already knew that though, given your education, right.

By Frederick Douglass

November 23, 2008 7:01 PM | Link to this

To no nanny state, I claim no advanced degrees, I’ve never been published, and alas my intellect is suspect, but I know a lemon when I see one. Bobby Jindal is credible for 2012, Palin isn’t.

By AJC/DNC Management

November 23, 2008 7:14 PM | Link to this

HH: Now what do you make, are you secretly, as I am, hoping for Hillary Clinton to go to the Department of State?

MS: (laughing) Well, in the sense that America has had to suffer her lo these many years and it’s time for the rest of the world to get a taste of it, if that’s what you mean, then I think I would be in favor of it. In a way, it’s a measure of how the minimal expectations we have on our side of the Obama administration, that Hillary seems like a savvy choice compared to some of these other rumors like John Kerry for Secretary of State. But I must say, what it does reflect, I think, is that there are no Obama people. I mean, he protested when people brought up the thinness of his resume. But it’s a fact that he has nobody to bring to Washington. And like Clinton or Carter, or Bush or Reagan on our side, there’s no group of people who’ve been around him for years for him to fill positions in his cabinet with. I mean, he’s basically having to take the old Clinton circle that we thought he’d driven a stake through back in the Spring.

HH: Do we think, how long do you think it will be, Mark Steyn, until we hear about the Emanuel presidency?

Hehehehe, not long, not long at all.

By GodHatesTrash

November 23, 2008 7:18 PM | Link to this

You know, I’m not addressing this to anyone in particular, and it has nothing to do with this post, but isn’t it sad that so many of our veterans who claim to have “seen the elephant” evidently smoked it, too?

By AJC/DNC Management

November 23, 2008 7:24 PM | Link to this

You don’t have to be a huge animal lover to question why Governor Palin chose to be interviewed — while issuing a traditional seasonal pardon of a turkey — while turkeys were being executed in the background.

I wonder how many years of college it would take to figure out that a turkey doesn’t have a clue that it is getting it’s head sawed off?

The same people, no less, that do not have any issues whatsoever with drilling a hole in the head of a unborn child.

Priorities of a liberal, always on the sick side.

By usathink

November 23, 2008 7:25 PM | Link to this

Palin is not only competent and knowledgeable, but a proven leader as well. Mr. Bookman you need to do better research before your next article.

By Tarzan of Africa

November 23, 2008 7:26 PM | Link to this

Jay,

I think the fixation is simple. McCain tossed out a very successful sales pitch to the Republican base regarding Palin and her qualifications. The base clearly fell for it hook, line, and sinker. After the election, the truth about Palin actually being McCain’s “Hail Mary” came out but the base could not admit to being so blatantly duped — played, as it were, like a North Georgia banjo. So, they cling to their false premise that Palin is actually qualified for a position in the executive branch in a vain attempt at denial of their own deliverance.

By no to nannystate

November 23, 2008 7:36 PM | Link to this

I wish Thomas Sowell would run for something…. surely he’s ‘educated’ enough to suit the elitists.

By AJC/DNC Management

November 23, 2008 7:37 PM | Link to this

The aftermath of the great and dark turkey Holocaust, haha:

The Fort Mill Times rips at reader hearts over the rescue of the bird Palin pardoned: “As his turkey pals - and maybe some family members - watched, the turkey Palin named Thanksgiving got a second chance at life.” These people are insane.

Can’t MSNBC nancies even cope with bloodless background vision of a farm animal being offed? Just as well Palin never turned up on Iron Chef: “A lot of resistance being put up by that one!” Note that tiny Japanese actress Naomi Hosokawa is not nearly so squeamish as Shuster.

TURKEYS DIE AS GOVERNOR PALIN TAKES QUESTIONS FROM MEDIA!! GOV. SARAH KEEPS TALKING WHILE TURKEYS GET SLAUGHTERED BEHIND HER!!! GOV. PALIN APPARENTLY OBLIVIOUS TO TURKEY CARNAGE OVER HER SHOULDER!!!! What did they expect her to do? Intervene?

By Greg Mendel

November 23, 2008 7:48 PM | Link to this

*”Well let’s see, we provided monetary assistance and the South Vietnamese had the bombs and bullets to hold off the North, we cut off assistance and they didn’t.

Seems pretty cut and dried, don’t it?

Even more so, our B52’s were a frightful killer of the NVA, we could basically dictate what they could do, and of course, some spineless democrat amendment shut all that down.”* — AC/DC

It’s certainly cut and dried — if you think in bumper stickers.

By the way, have you ever been near a B-52 raid? A war? A library?

And when are you going to tell me what we would have achieved by “victory” in Vietnam?

By RW-(the original)

November 23, 2008 7:52 PM | Link to this

The family’s beloved, wise-cracking “Granny” wears colorful head scarves and slaughters chickens in the backyard. The 86-year-old Onyango is likely to steal the show at Obama’s inauguration, where she has promised to bring homemade chapati — a traditional Kenyan flatbread that is a favorite of the president-elect.

Some poultry slaughters are awful and some are endearing to the antique media.

What a shocka that it all comes down to politics. /sarc

By AJC/DNC Management

November 23, 2008 7:59 PM | Link to this

Gregory: Have you ever been near an American victory?

By Soixante huitard

November 23, 2008 8:01 PM | Link to this

Here’s a laugh: Palin is very competent. It’s just that you can’t see it because you’re very, very biased.

(smirk, smirk)

By GodHatesTrash

November 23, 2008 8:05 PM | Link to this

An idea for a sitcom - the Washington DC Wasillabillies.

Or maybe Alaska HeeHaw.

Or You Might be a Redneck if You Voted for Sara Palin - a Jeff Foxworthy special where he does ‘man in the street’ interviews with Palin voters. He could knock on doors in a trailer park, too, so we could catch them where they live. He could travel up and down Appalachia, the Ozarks, and the rural south. Tagline - if you think Leno is funny, get a load of these jackasses.

Anyhow.

By Soixante huitard

November 23, 2008 8:08 PM | Link to this

I go a way for two hours and the rats have taken over the place.

What’s this business about conservatives being so intelligent?

So intelligent they can’t allow Christopher Buckley to break with them on the party line? Kathleen Parker? David Brooks? So intelligent they raise up someone as their standard bearer who whatever her talents, is a demonstrably inferior candidate at this time,

No, not really so intelligent.

Actually, come to think of it, I’ll raise you one and give you the handicap of letting a very smark man speak for you: Winston Churchill who once said something to the effect that “if you’re young and not liberal, you don’t have a heart — if you’re older and not conservative, you don’t have a brain”. Only problem is — uh, he was wrong. He had it backward. If you’re older and conservative - you might not be stupid, but you probably think in slogans — AND you probably have some problems in the empathy category.

Now. Any questions?

By Dusty

November 23, 2008 8:17 PM | Link to this

Soixi,8:08

One question. When did you develop a closed mind? A liberal one, that is???

By Midori

November 23, 2008 8:18 PM | Link to this

By the way, have you ever been near a B-52 raid? A war? A library?

can’t

stop

LAUGHING

ROFL!!!!

By Soixante huitard

November 23, 2008 8:25 PM | Link to this

What strikes you as closed about that, Dusty?

I’m issuing you a challenge. Nothing closed about it.

Want to challenge what I say back?

Go right ahead. We’re open for business here.

By GOP is gone

November 23, 2008 8:25 PM | Link to this

I’m still laughing at the non-linear thought process remark of fred. Wow, now that is lipstick on a dog if I ever heard it.

I would call it incapable of stringing words together in a comprehensible sentence. But then that is just me having such a high bar to meet.

And Dusty I think the aroma in air around you is your own extremely large pile of bullsh!t.

By Soixante huitard

November 23, 2008 8:36 PM | Link to this

Menagement: And now there is talk of the twilight of America’s power, I would like to think that we have more sense than to throw that out the window but, really, if you hate America like these “educated” liberals have been taught to do, what, pray tell, would be your goal in life?

Do I hear the croaking of frogs in the swamp of defeat and ideological exhaustion?

Do I hear the braying of asses over the inevitable cleaning of the stables, after so many years of barely breathable air?

Shhh, listen……. What’s that sound?

(Smile) I thought so.

By Mike

November 23, 2008 8:42 PM | Link to this

Yawn. And Bookman demonstrates yet again what a lame partisan he is. The funny thing is that Bookman and the rest of the partisan left are far more obsessed with Palin than anyone on the right is. Partisan hacks like Bookman are incapable of writing about anything other than their contempt for the party other than the one they slavishly and mindlessly support. That’s why weeks after the election, all that Bookman can talk about are them mean/dumb/racist Republicans.

We get it Jay. You hate Republicans. Hannity hates Democrats. So what? Is that all you have to say with that big megaphone? What a waste of an opportunity. Why don’t you step down and let the AJC hire someone who isn’t a tedious and predictable partisan.

By brett

November 23, 2008 8:43 PM | Link to this

Jay, Your incredible bias is showing. Here is a list fo reasons Sarah Palin is qualified to be President.

Just because she is not the “typical” candidate and she does not need focus groups does not mean that she is not qualified. I don’t care if she winks. I dont care if she says ” You Betcha” she has shown time and time again that she is competant. You dislike her because every time she speaks with the American people w/o the filter of the media she knocks it out of the ballpark. That reminds me of another politician the media hated… Ronald Reagan

By AJC/DNC Management

November 23, 2008 8:48 PM | Link to this

Suxie: Yes, I do hear the sound, the croaking of a toadie.

By Soixante huitard

November 23, 2008 8:50 PM | Link to this

Oh Mikey, oh Mikey-boy, you’re being simplistic and provincial again (We get it Jay. You hate Republicans. Hannity hates Democrats. So what? Is that all you have to say with that big megaphone? What a waste of an opportunity. Why don’t you step down and let the AJC hire someone who isn’t a tedious and predictable partisan.),

Don’t whine. Say something. Actually make an argument instead of making us assume you’re someone who’s eaten up with resentment over a columnist and institution who asks you to emerge from your ignorance and actually engage with the world around you a lilttle.

And brett, you can spare us the listmaking. All the lists in the world mean nothing when you can’t hit major league pitches. You can have a resume to fill reams of paper with fancy sounding bullets, but if you fold the moment you step on the big stage — don’t mean the world’s out ta getcha my man, just means ……. you still - haven’t - earned - it - yet - BABY.

Now, get back up there to Alaska and do your homework, Mrs. Palin. And take a writing class. It’ll help you work through your thoughts better - and maybe make you a better speaker.

By Midori

November 23, 2008 8:52 PM | Link to this

LOL

Is that Britt Hume @ 8:43?

By AmVet

November 23, 2008 8:54 PM | Link to this

The funny thing is that Bookman and the rest of the partisan left are far more obsessed with Palin than anyone on the right is.

Not quite correct.

While channel surfing a little while ago I saw where Mike Huckabee (He has his own show on Fox now? Why don’t they just change the name to the Republican News Network?) and guess what his topic was?

Yep.

That girl he probably obsesses about in his heart. If you catch my drift JC fans…

By Soixante huitard

November 23, 2008 8:56 PM | Link to this

Suxie: Yes, I do hear the sound, the croaking of a toadie.

You mean they didn’t drill holes in your box — for you to get some air?

By Midori

November 23, 2008 8:58 PM | Link to this

snicker

Is that AmVet and Getalife? :)

By AJC/DNC Management

November 23, 2008 9:09 PM | Link to this

Suxie: Who’s they? Are you getting paranoid again?

Why can’t you libs listen to your leader kookman and keep this from getting personal?

Remember, you are a rowbutt.

By Tarzan of Africa

November 23, 2008 9:13 PM | Link to this

Soixante,

Like you (at 8:56), I’ve tried to keep the comments simple at times. Sadly, I found that it still does not work for some of the right-wingers that hang around here. Even Cheetah was left scratching her head trying to figure them out. I’m reminded of that time that Cheetah stuck her hand in a jar and grabbed a banana but could not pull it out.

By Ralph

November 23, 2008 9:23 PM | Link to this

She is the CHIEF of the National Guard in Alaska, and holds THE SECURITY OF THE UNITED STATES IN HER HANDS, as far as keeping an eye on Russia. Their Neighbor!

The Chief of NORAD said that she was not even INFORMED if the Russians were venturing in to her air space. So, her experience is an outright lie.

By Soixante huitard

November 23, 2008 9:25 PM | Link to this

I’m reminded of that time that Cheetah stuck her hand in a jar and grabbed a banana but could not pull it out.

:-)

And there was great grimacing on their faces as they pulled and pulled but couldn’t wrest their hands free. Finally they collapsed out of fatigue and fell to the ground. Only to get up and do it all over again.

By GodHatesTrash

November 23, 2008 10:33 PM | Link to this

What’s the latest on the big Alaska shotgun wedding?

Do you think Granny will bring the traditional 20 gauge, or go with something different like an M-16?

By RB from Gwinnett

November 23, 2008 10:38 PM | Link to this

I guess this whole blog led by our moron in chief Jay Bookman is yet another example of what you libs mean by “coming together”. Let me help you with something… Continually bashing Palin and anyone else Republican is not doing anything positive to bring us together. In fact, it’s doing just the opposite.

For the record, I really don’t care if you want to keep bashing Palin and others because I have no intention of “coming together” with a bunch of Godless liberals I wouldn’t have at my dinner table, but please either stop with the bashing or with the “come together” crap. Take your pick. Either bash or preach unity, but lose the fantasy you can have both. You can’t. And so far, you libs have shown you don’t have the integrity to bring unity to this nation; only further division. Just like you’ve done since the day W took office.

Jay, do you relish your role in furthering the divide?

By Please Not Silly Sarah Simpleton

November 23, 2008 10:39 PM | Link to this

The Demo’s called they say their offer still stands..

==================================== By The Democrats

Throw her under the Crazy Talk Express and then back it up over her!

ATTENTION REPUBLICANS:

RE: SARAH PALIN

Obviously there has been a HUGE mistake!!!.

Palin’s Dribble, Weasel Wording, Mush-Mush, Asssss-Backwards speak Cleary demonstrates who carries the Down Syndrome trait in her family, because of this we (the democrats) will allow you to send her back to Wacky-silla without prejudice and select another candidate.

For this consideration the Republicans agree to sell Alaska to Russia (with Palin) and never mention the State of Alaska or her again.

P.S. Why does Palin repeat herself in the same sentence and add extra words that donot belong!! Reading a Quote from her makes me feel like I am in the advanced stages of dyslexia. Does Anyone else have a problem with this? Is there anyone out there from the North Slope who speaks Wacky-silla?

By Dusty

November 23, 2008 10:41 PM | Link to this

Dear Soixie,

Of course your mind is closed, just like Cheetah and the bananas in the jar. You haven’t pulled a new idea other than liberal “doctrine” since you got here. At least, Cheetah was trying to get something new and fresh.. You aren’t even trying. Just the same ol’ lib lines dressed up a bit.

NO??Just read your 8:01, 8:08,8:36, 8:50 and 9:25. Same ol same ol. All conservatives are incompetent and all libs are mental wizards. That is the standard lib line.

If “yours” isn’t a closed mind it must be an elitist mind of self appointed superiority. Give it a rest, Soixie. We don’t mind a few self proclaimed geniuses here but it does get a bit tiresome over time. Try for some new bananas.

By Midori

November 23, 2008 10:45 PM | Link to this

Republicans are just pathetic.

PATHETIC

You idiots deserve to lose.

Lose again.

And lose some more.

Idiots.

Just look at you. Look at your posts on this blog.

You want to hang your hopes and the hopes of your party on a imbecilic Barbie Doll.

And you all want to pile on the author of this blog because he dares write what everyone knows is the truth. You try to counter that truth with worn out urban legends and dumb Fox News talking points.

YOU ALL DESERVE TO LOSE

By Dusty

November 23, 2008 10:51 PM | Link to this

10:39

A lib lower than dirt. When you start making “fun” over innocent children you have crossed the line from decent to deplorable. 10:39—the lowest form of ignorance on exhibit here.

By Dusty

November 23, 2008 10:54 PM | Link to this

Midori,10:45

Your BOY brought it up. Grin and bear it.

Tell HIM about it if you don’t like it.

By If Palin had a 1/2 Ounce of Brains she would be a MORON

November 23, 2008 10:57 PM | Link to this

If Palin had a 1/2 Ounce of Brains she would be a MORON!!!

By RB from Gwinnett

November 23, 2008 10:59 PM | Link to this

“And you all want to pile on the author of this blog because he dares write what everyone knows is the truth”

And it’s the “truth” because you say it is? A bit arrogant of you don’t you think? 70% of the people of Alaska think she was doing a great job as governor, but some blog rat 4,000 miles away proclaims herself to know better? No wonder you voted for the elitist. You are one.

Got your cut of the evil rich man’s money yet?

By GodHatesTrash

November 23, 2008 11:00 PM | Link to this

It’s hard to be the “lowest form of ignorance” on exhibit here when there are so many RightWingnut idjits that post on this bog of a blog.

Seriously, I’ve never seen a bigger bunch of blowhard bottomfeeding fools in one place in my life…

Except at a Sarah Palin rally…

By Dusty

November 23, 2008 11:10 PM | Link to this

GHT 11:00

Are you now confirming that your hate has extended to a baby?

By Translate Plain dribble Please!!

November 23, 2008 11:10 PM | Link to this

Couric: Have you ever been involved in any negotiations, for example, with the Russians?

Palin: We have trade missions back and forth, we do. It’s very important when you consider even national security issues with Russia. As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where do they go? It’s Alaska. It’s just right over the border. It is from Alaska that we send those out to make sure that an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation, Russia, because they are right there, they are right next to our state.

By Dusty

November 23, 2008 11:16 PM | Link to this

11;10

You are STILL the lowest form of ignorance.

By Frederick Douglass

November 23, 2008 11:42 PM | Link to this

GOT YOUR CUT OF THE EVIL RICH MAN’S MONEY YET? That very statement is why your party lost, and will continue to lose, Sport its not about getting a cut of some supposedly undeserved money. No self respecting non- hater will align themselves with a party steeped in ignorance, and flavored with outright racism. Thanks to you, and your kind, I get to look at that scrumptious Michelle Obama on a regular basis for the next 8 YEARS—-ummmmmm!

By Translate Plain dribble Please!!

November 23, 2008 11:47 PM | Link to this

Couric: Have you ever been involved in any negotiations, for example, with the Russians?

Palin: We have trade missions back and forth, we do. It’s very important when you consider even national security issues with Russia. As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where do they go? It’s Alaska. It’s just right over the border. It is from Alaska that we send those out to make sure that an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation, Russia, because they are right there, they are right next to our state.

By AJC/DNC and RW's Daddy

November 24, 2008 12:19 AM | Link to this

Dust-mite was trying to keep Woo-tangs blog alive but IT has no friends there it wwould appear. Should get my sons to participate where their “STAR POWER” will be appreciated……NOT!

By AJC/DNC and RW's Daddy

November 24, 2008 12:23 AM | Link to this

“and dumb Fox News …..” dumb is an unnecessary adjective for FOX News.

By AJC/DNC and RW's Daddy

November 24, 2008 12:37 AM | Link to this

“Obama should offer Palin an Ambassadorship — Africa perhaps.”

NOOOOOOOOO! Russia. She can see his ugly head risin’ from her back porch!! Call out the ANG, this is War, you betcha!!!

By Esther Morgenstern

November 24, 2008 3:39 AM | Link to this

Sarah Palin is the “Aurora Borealis ” on the GOP Horizon and if she runs in 2012, she will win, no doubt in my mind.—Sarah has what it takes to govern with precision and style, the beautiful state of Alaska is THE perfect example.—- The Elites of the country can mock and belittle her ad nauseum, but they aren’t going to knock her down.—Sarah has chutzpah, charm and most of all the compassion to embrace the Disabled and Forgotten.—All the Harvard Law degrees can’t compare to such human qualities.

By M

November 24, 2008 7:11 AM | Link to this

Sarah Palin has plenty of knowledge and competence from 12 years of executive leadership experience. She’s also a joy to watch, and would make a great president. She’s my favorite, by far.

By Rick W

November 24, 2008 10:57 AM | Link to this

If Sarah Palin can survive the campaign process and win the nomination then more power to her! It isn’t like she can get there without proving her mettle.

And no Im not a Palin fan, but enough already! Let the process work itself out.

By AliceR

November 24, 2008 3:23 PM | Link to this

DEMOCRATS FOR PALIN IN 2012, 2016 and beyond!!!

Run her every four years until shes 80, the Democrats will love it!

She doesn’t have a chance.

By Arlen Williams

November 24, 2008 3:31 PM | Link to this

Mr. Bookman — Jay:

Saturday Night Live features an actress named Tina Fey spoofing Gov. Palin. That is not really Sarah Palin.

If you need, print this out and tape it under your TV.

Or be like most of us and just don’t watch NBC.

By AliceR

November 24, 2008 3:34 PM | Link to this

DEMOCRATS FOR PALIN IN 2012, 2016 and beyond!!!

Run her every four years until shes 80, the Democrats will love it!

She doesn’t have a chance.

By gene wiley

November 24, 2008 3:41 PM | Link to this

Hey Jay, we are not surprised. All the pinheads in the 70’s were saying that about Reagan, and they tried to bury him too.

For an extremely weak person, which you are, I am sure she scares the heck out of a wuss like you.

Who would you rather be in a fox-hole with - or a survivor trip? Sarah - or this jerk? Anyone?

Gene Wiley

By FrankG

November 24, 2008 3:44 PM | Link to this

“But I have to confess: I am absolutely baffled by the continued GOP support for Palin. I do not get it.” …..

For anyone interested, especially Jay Bookman , go read up on the Alaska Highway Pipeline that Sarah Palin negotiated to be built by TransCanada Corp. Sarah busted the chops of ExxonMobil, ConnocoPhillips and BP who had been sitting on their butts for years not wanting to build a much needed gas pipeline coming off the North Slope. In doing so, this new pipeline will provide the USA with 6%-8% of natural gas needs. Iran, Russia, and Qatar are in the process of forming a natural gas cartel. Sarah Palin just beat those three countries in a geopolitical economic war and put the USA on the road to ensured independence for our natural gas needs.

And Obama has done what? What has that nasty little do-nothing ever done? Nothing! Obama can’t hold a candle to Sarah Palin’s achievements!

Sarah Palin is a very intelligent woman who is making America energy independent and Obama is a complete MORON who is going to strangle the USA into serfdom to the terrorist nations who produce energy.

By wina

November 24, 2008 3:50 PM | Link to this

The love for Palin is her genuine nature. She is the governor of a large state and has done a wonderful job and is totally likeable, a love of family first person and is faith loving person. That is the reason we love her. Time will tell if she grows in the next four years into a leader we can believe can be president.

By Lee

November 24, 2008 3:53 PM | Link to this

If you actually value traits such as competence and knowledge, I assume you did not vote for Obama and his total lack of experience running anything, his refusal to release any information about his educational record, his “share-the-wealth” Marxism, his terrorist friends Ayers and Dorhn, and his racist, White-Americans-invented-AIDS-to-kill-blacks preacher, Jeremiah Wright.

By KansasGirl

November 24, 2008 4:02 PM | Link to this

Heh Jay, don’t you just hate the way it works with conservatives? I guess we’re just stubborn that way. All the while baffling you. I have one for you Jay, you baffle me.

By Flowerplough

November 24, 2008 4:09 PM | Link to this

“My best guess is that those who support her have a very different concept of the presidency than I do. I see the president as someone who actually has to run the country, so I value traits such as competence and knowledge.” Come to think of it, though, if I’m expecting a president to actually “run the country,” why the hell did I support the empty-suit community organizer with no actual experience actually running anything, ever, for president? I’m just so confused!

By John Galt

November 24, 2008 4:29 PM | Link to this

Jenna

November 23, 2008 12:59 PM | Link to this

I am waiting for the Dems to run Angelina Jolie against Palin in 2012

One problem, Jenna. Jolie is a libertarian / conservative. She’d more likely be the GOP candidate. If you were more educated, you’d know that.

By Ryan Winterstone

November 24, 2008 4:31 PM | Link to this

When the GOP discovers they can win votes by NOT just appeasing the fundy base, they will start winning.

Nominating fundamentalists like Palin or Huckabee is bound to end in failure.

A party full of intellectual moderate conservatives and independents will bring in much larger numbers.

The game has changed, Americans are smarter and more informed than ever before. They want a leader that exceeds their own leadership and intellectual abilities. Not just a “Joe Sixpack” they would “like to have a beer with”.

The sooner the GOP leadership recognizes this fact, the sooner independent leaning Americans will be willing to vote for a GOP candidate.

The base is DEAD. Time to move forward.

By jstacey

November 24, 2008 4:41 PM | Link to this

Palin is one of the most gifted politicians and leaders in the country. The dedication with which adolescent liberal thugs focus on a couple of bad interview, and ignore the facts of her years of accomplishment simply exposes liberals for what they are. They claim to car about justice and the suffering of others. But the consequences of their actions (like Vietnam .. afte they took over and cut funding, 3 million people died) are so horrific and mediocre what is clear is the only thing these creatures care about is their own narcissistic claim to moral superiority.

By Fred

November 24, 2008 4:44 PM | Link to this

Ryan said: “The game has changed, Americans are smarter and more informed than ever before. “

ARE YOU KIFFING ME? have you not seen the interview with Obama supporters? These people are idiots - they don’t know who said what or even what positions their dear leader supported. I have never seen a more ridiculous statement.

Palin in 2012 - She is smart enough to understand that you cannot attack businesses with higher taxes and expect the economy to grow. Maybe we can send Obama to Alaska to learn this lesson from Governor Palin.

By PoorFred

November 24, 2008 5:05 PM | Link to this

Listen Fred,

MORE VOTES = WIN.

Simple as that. People are jumping ship in our party because of people like you.

The hardcore supporters on either side are NOT SWITCHING TEAMS.. GOT IT?

WE NEED More PEOPLE IN OUR PARTY.

Parading a fundie like Palin around is not going to cut it, they HATE HER.

HATE HER. HATE HER.

THEY WILL NEVER VOTE FOR HER!!

GOT IT?

By Ryan Winterstone

November 24, 2008 5:09 PM | Link to this

LOL you Palinuts are crazy.

You just dont get it.

You may LOOOOOVE her…. Who cares about you?

There isn’t enough voters in this country that LIKE her.

They NEVER will be.

The GOP needs MORE votes. Not the same number, not a few more.

LOTS MORE VOTES.

Forget about what candidate YOU LIKE, find a candidate OTHERS LIKE.

By David McCombs

November 24, 2008 6:04 PM | Link to this

By impugning Gov. Palin’s competence (which is self evident through her accomplishments) you may be subjecting yourself to a class action defamation suit. Be careful.

By Josh Painter

November 24, 2008 8:22 PM | Link to this

Wrong, Jay. Those of us who support Sarah Palin do so with the knowledge that she has actually run things, including a small business, a municipality, an oil and gas commission and the nation’s largest state, one which supplies some 20% of the oil that is so critical to keeping this country moving.

In contrast, our president-elect hasn’t run so much as a hot dog stand. He is so lacking in government executive experience that he has been forced to hire a bunch of Clinton retreads to get his administration up and running.

So please don’t presume to lecture us on how we see the presidency, much less on competence and knowledge.

• JP

By robert erikson

November 24, 2008 9:22 PM | Link to this

“They see the presidency in more symbolic terms, which means they value those candidates who epitomize America as they wish to see it.” —A statement that can be applied totally and exactly to virtually every single Obama voter. More than any other candidate, he was a symbol—and, it turns out, nothing else.

By Fred

November 24, 2008 10:39 PM | Link to this

I love how liberals continue to underestimate Palin. Keep it up. We conservatives underestimated Obama, too. We looked at him and all we could see was a smooth talking empty suit, a charismatic snake oil salesman. And most of us still see him as just that and nothing more. But he whopped us anyway.

So be careful that this woman you continuously denigrate doesn’t come back in four years and stomp all over your candidate. Be careful that this well liked state governor who’s abilities you so belittle doesn’t come back in 2012 and do a Sitting Bull on your Custer a*ses.

By Jeanne White

November 25, 2008 2:15 AM | Link to this

The Democrats would also like to see Romney, Palin and Huckabee run in 2012 (smile).

By Esther Morgenstern

November 25, 2008 3:53 AM | Link to this

I’m just so grateful that the south still has good writers like Jay Bookman.-When I read the columns by this woman named “Kathleen Parker”, and how she keeps bashing Sarah Palin, it makes me wonder what has become of the gentility of southern Writers.—Years ago when I still lived down south, I met writers like Harper Lee and Truman Capote, those were the days.—- Now we have to endure the idle clap-trap of Hacks calling themselves ” Journalists”.

By Jane

November 25, 2008 7:43 AM | Link to this

Palin is a governor of a state that is competence and knowledge. Do you think being a Senator is competence and knowledge? Are you kidding me? Let’s talk experience: Foreign affairs: Obama – none, McCain – Yes, Biden – Yes, and Palin – none; Domestic affairs: Obama – none, McCain – none, Biden – none, and Palin – Yes As for Kathleen Parker the only reason she bashed Palin was to get her name in the news and to stay on the party list. Never heard of Parker until Palin. Let’s talk experience: Foreign affairs: Obama – none, McCain – Yes, Biden – Yes, and Palin – none; Domestic: Obama – none, Mccain – none, Biden – none, and Palin – Yes

By kevin

November 25, 2008 2:54 PM | Link to this

Why Sarah? It’s about this:

This is a woman who rose from a non-privileged background to be the governor of a state. She ran for governor in the face of opposition from the entrenched establishment and defeated them. In office she defied a corrupt business and political establishment to place the state oil revenues in savings accounts for the benefit of the citizens, rather than into slush funds for pork projects. She negotiated a multi-billion dollar natural gas pipeline deal with Canada - a deal that had been held up for years because corrupt politicians wanted a sweetheart deal for the oil companies and other business interests that funded them. She defeated them and got a deal that benefits the people of Alaska and helps move America towards energy independence.

Underlying this is her life experience that has taught her to respect the core values that have made America a great nation when those values are under attack: Free Market/Pro-growth economic policies Having a strong national defense so we can stand up to regimes that threaten our interests, or allies and our homeland rather than appease them. Supporting the values that are common to all religious traditions; respect for life and the family and for helping the less fortunate

Don’t you agree that all this is more important than a couple of edited TV clips where she didn’t show the usual glib evasiveness we’re used to from our pre-packaged politicians?

By Jan

November 25, 2008 5:39 PM | Link to this

Jay, you present the question as being substance versus symbol, but I’d like to hear your defense of our next President on a strictly substance basis. “Audacity of Hope?” Yeah, that’s substantive.

I would argue that the real question here is national leadership of the elite versus leadership based on ability, wherever it may come from. (A meriotocracy v. an ogliarchy.) Abraham Lincoln was not a member of the elite. On the other hand, FDR, JFK & the Bushes certainly were. So what are the minimum standards we’re comfortable with? College? Truman had only a high school education. Just any college, or do we demand only Harvard or Yale, as we have been lately?

One person stated a President is much like a CEO, but I doubt that. CEO’s rise through the ranks and are carefully groomed for promotions, not to mention the office politics, luck, etc. They also make much more money and are able to force their companies to buy them out with golden parachutes when it’s time for them to go. Doesn’t sound much like a President to me!

I see Sarah Palin as an extraordinary overachiever. You may not think much of Alaska, but whoever heard of Arkansas before Clinton. And she is the Governor. Sarah met with savage criticism, much of it with a sexual undertone, and yet she had the resiliancy to bounce back. She was very inexperienced on the national stage and she endured a baptism by fire. But she and her family are still upbeat and positive.

I found her an inspiration and I wish I were more like her. I would vote for her in a second — but, frankly, I think this whole politics business is way too ugly for such an upright person. Gov. Schwartzenegger (and, no, I don’t know how to spell his name!) put it best when he described her as a public servant. He went on to say that he didn’t know if she wanted to enter politics. I’m not sure I’d like to see it. I think she’s better than that. And maybe even better than we deserve.

By Kerry

November 25, 2008 7:46 PM | Link to this

4 years may be a long time in politics, but for a Governor who still has 2 years to go in her Alaskan gubernatorial service, I can’t help but wonder when she’s actually going to go back to Alaska and start governing, solving some of the serious fiscal problems that state has right now — and when she’s going to stop gallivanting around reminding everybody she was on the Repub presidential ticket (but seemingly, purposely NOT reminding everybody she was merely the VICE presidential candidate, and a failed one at that).

By Kerry

November 25, 2008 7:55 PM | Link to this

Sarah Palin an overachiever?

A lot of Sarah Palinistas still believe the puff piece “fact sheet” the RNC wrote up about Sarah Palin 3 months ago (when they barely vetted her). That’s where the idea of her being an overachiever was born.

Truth is, she’s more cunning than smart, her Alaska-constituency Approval Rating is below 50% now, and she succeeded a corrupt governor — but with all the -gates (Librarygate, SportsComplexgate, Housegate, Troopergate, Ethicsgate, Couturegate, Travelgate, Pregnancygate, AbsenteeGovgate) during her political career, she may very well be more corrupt than Murkowski was.

There’s a movement afoot to urge the Alaska legislature to look into each and every one of the -gates. By the time Sarah Palin’s term ends in 2+ years, she may well go the same way Ted Stevens did.

By layla fanucci

November 27, 2008 3:15 PM | Link to this

Sarah Palin is beyond scary as a possibility for higher office. Wake up American!!!!!

By Incredulous

November 29, 2008 10:07 AM | Link to this

Palin’s biggest enemy is her own lack of judgement. Shes now been cited with 2 ethics charges. She lies regularly (Bridge to Nowhere, “I’ll All Full Disclosure in Troopergate,”), clearly she believes clothes make the person, she advocates slaughtering wildlife from helicopters, she’d sell the soul of Alaska for oil (wanting the Polar Bear and Humpback Whale off the Endangered List, despite scientists pleas to keep it on, and want to drill in the Arctic NATIONAL Wildlife Refuge — that’s OUR land, not Alaska’s), she thought it was good to charge rape victims $1,200 for their own forensic rape kits, using the saved monies to decorate her office as Mayor of Wasilla ($50K), and she recently found it “no problem” to give TV interviews with turkeys being slaughtered in the background. She apparently assumes the rest of us out here in America have the same lazy IQ that she has. Her judgement sucks. And that makes her unfit to ever be our President or our Vice President. She should have stuck with the PTA.

By Linda

November 29, 2008 11:20 PM | Link to this

Jay, From your article I quote these words, “They see the presidency in more symbolic terms, which means they value those candidates who epitomize America as they wish to see it.” Isn’t that what we just elected?? Sarah is America and I for one am tired of being bashed. She is a woman who has made it in a man’s world without money, an elite education, a father’s position, or a husband’s coat tails and has the country alive with fire. America wants and needs leaders capable of making informed decisions, who know their values, can’t be compromised and love our country; Sarah is that kind of leader. Go SARAH!!!!!!!