Jay Bookman

By catlady

November 22, 2008 8:51 AM | Link to this

I just want Obama to have the BEST folks possible. Not the *licking, evil or incompetent partisans that Bush has had. Really shows a contrast, doesn’t he? And think about if McCain had won. Who would he have picked to go with Sarah Palin (either by party or at random)? God help us, it would have been horrifying to see. That might be the subject of a blog—who would McCain have picked! Maybe SNL would do a sketch on it. (Jeffry Dahmer as head of health and human svcs., Timothy McVeigh for Homeland Security, etc….)

By AJC/DNC Management

November 22, 2008 8:59 AM | Link to this

Some on the left may see such selections as a betrayal of sorts, but it is entirely consistent with everything Barack Obama said during the campaign. And as Obama starts to do the controversial but sensible things he needs to do, such as withdrawing from Iraq to focus on Afghanistan and restoring fiscal sanity to the Pentagon budget, he’ll have the people within his administration to both point out the landmines and provide him political cover.

Good job putting on the happy face for the team this morning, kookman.

Let’s say that all of the leading contenders for Obama’s national security team end up in his administration. This would give him a core foreign policy team of Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, Janet Napolitano, Jim Jones, and Robert Gates. That is, overall, a center-right foreign policy team lacking any clear progressives (at least, foreign policy and national security progressives). All of them, with the possible exception of Jones, supported the Iraq war from the outset. At least two of them, Gates and Napolitano, opposed withdrawing troops as recently as 2007 (although the new agreement with Iraq has rendered that debate moot). Also, two members of this group, Gates and Jones, supported McCain. This team would oversee roughly 60% of discretionary federal budget spending, military operations, and all diplomatic relations.

I know everyone is obsessed with the “team of rivals” idea right now, but I feel incredibly frustrated. Even after two landslide elections in a row, are our only governing options as a nation either all right-wing Republicans, or a centrist mixture of Democrats and Republicans? Isn’t there ever a point when we can get an actual Democratic administration? -Huff and Puff

Hey, why not bring back Rumsfeld too?

By RW-(the original)

November 22, 2008 8:59 AM | Link to this

the supposed wild-eyed Marxist from Illinois

Come on, Jay B., you can do better than that. How about, the wild eyed Muslim Marxist from Indonesia? Marxist from Illinois is boring and somewhat redundant.

catlady,

Shouldn’t we at least restrict your McCain fantasy cabinet to the living? Dahmer and McVeigh have both become carbon neutral.

By AJC/DNC Management

November 22, 2008 9:07 AM | Link to this

Daughters will enroll at Sidwell-Urinal/DNC

Uh, which daughters?

President-elect Barack Obama and his wife have chosen private Sidwell Friends School in Washington for their two daughters.

Isn’t that quite telling, these pro government libs that stick the rest of the nation with a failed public education system, a system that serves as both an moron indoctrination center and an democrat party perpetual political campaign organization, but they won’t dare expose their own children to the same depravity that many of you have no choice of?

“Change” you can count on, dunces.

By RW-(the original)

November 22, 2008 9:14 AM | Link to this

President-elect Barack Obama has answered bipartisan calls for the disbandment of the White House office central to the Karl Rove-style politics the Democrat condemned as a candidate. The office stays

Change!!!

By "The Corporal"

November 22, 2008 9:16 AM | Link to this

Jay

What this says to me is that:

1) Obama knows he is way in over his head.

2) He knows what he said in the campaign was just jibberish for the masses (i.e., getting out of Iraq).

3) He knows he is now in the dangerous real world (he is probably still shaking from some of his security briefings).

4) He knows if he is not very, very careful he will wind up a very embarrassed one term president.

By Taxpayer

November 22, 2008 9:22 AM | Link to this

Jay,

It looks like the Republican whiners and fear-mongers just cannot formulate any logical arguments against Obama’s moves thus far. Poor things. They must truly be feeling depressed. Maybe they should pick on that turkey, Palin. Now there’s something to gobble about.

By AJC/DNC Management

November 22, 2008 9:27 AM | Link to this

Aahhhh, yes, “global warming:”

Fresh arctic air will spread over the East today, leading to more lake-effect snow downwind of the Great Lakes. Record lows will be challenged across the South tonight.

NOAA- 11/22/08 07:55 a.m. Calm 19 degrees

Atlanta Georgia Record Low for 11/22: 19° in 1937

Brrrrrrrrrrr, damn it’s cold outside.

By "The Corporal"

November 22, 2008 9:28 AM | Link to this

Off Topic

WELL, WELL:

News Flash: “Continuing a tradition among Washington’s power elite, President-elect Barack Obama and his wife have decided to send their kids to Sidwell Friends School. Michelle Obama confirmed yesterday that Malia and Sasha, the incoming first daughters, will enroll at the pricey private school when the family moves into the White House in January.”

By Taxpayer

November 22, 2008 9:30 AM | Link to this

Good move with the daughters. They’ll be out of the limelight and much easy for security to watch over without impacting so many others. It’s a perfectly logical step to take.

By drew

November 22, 2008 9:31 AM | Link to this

Corporal,

I thought you’d be pleased that a Military Man is going to be the NSA.

You’re right about one thing…he’s in over head, due to the huge pile of dung that he’s inheriting from W. But as an intelligent leader, he is surrounding himself with the best and the brightest.

Gawd it’s gonna be great having an intelligent prez for a change.

And cry on, you pathetic repugs losers. It makes for great entertainment. BWAH!!

By Soixante huitard

November 22, 2008 9:32 AM | Link to this

Hey, why not bring back Rumsfeld too?

Good one, Management. I like that.

By getalife

November 22, 2008 9:35 AM | Link to this

“Axelrod On Obama Transition Leaks: ‘No One Is Frustrated’”

Media wrong again.

The change is the brightest, most competent, brilliant people are taking over the White House. From the worst ever to greatness.

Confidence is building even on Wall Street.

By Brrrrr! It's hot outside.

November 22, 2008 9:39 AM | Link to this

If it’s supposed to be getting warmer, then why am I bundled up in a wool coat in March? How could record chills occur in the Northeast? Why would major snowstorms still strike? Some media outlets love to point out such oddities. It makes for great headlines. But the fact that our globe is warming doesn’t mean that the entire population of Earth will be sporting tank tops year-round. In fact it could be snowing precisely because of global warming.

By "The Corporal"

November 22, 2008 9:39 AM | Link to this

To Taxpayer

“If” the Obama’s had asked the USSS to make the decision about where their daughters go to school they would have said in this order:

1) Home School them (we’ll bring in all the kids you want for socializatin).

2) Private School

3) Public School

The USSS can secure all of those equally. It’s just a matter of manpower and resources (which is available).

Bottom line: The decision is always left to the protectees and in this case even the Obama’s can’t bear to put their kids in the same public schools they want everyone else to attend.

To Jay

I just know you won’t be eating any turkey this Thanksgiving as that would be hypocritical. You know those things are murdered by people like Palin.

By Soixante huitard

November 22, 2008 9:39 AM | Link to this

Barack Obama, the supposed wild-eyed Marxist from Illinois, is already building a seriously mainstream national security/foreign policy apparatus, stocked with experienced people with impeccable credentials.

Actually, when one considers the Trotskyist orientation of the original Bush administration, one of the most ‘radical’ things one can do now is to stake out a decidedly centrist agenda. The second half of the second Bush term was not so much centrist as it was de-fanged radicalism. Maybe what’s happening now is a kind of ‘purging’.

By TW

November 22, 2008 9:40 AM | Link to this

What? Ayers not appointed to the cabinet? No Gitmo lock-ups on the advisory panel? Nukes not already inflight to Kenya?

Wow. Guess that makes at least one simple woman from Alaska look pretty silly…

By AmVet

November 22, 2008 9:44 AM | Link to this

Yes, drew, seeing the enraged neo-cons do their post-election hemorrhage dance is amusing.

It is difficult not to be entertained watching them awkwardly spin and wail to some demented 50’s precursor version of Beck’s “I’m a loser, baby. So why don’t you kill me”.

But I must confess, that I was so completely enjoying watching Republican Bloodbath, Part Deux unfold, that I forgot about this incessant November caterwauling that was sure to follow.

Yet, what rational American would expect anything else from these ostriches and unremarkable hyper-angry losers?

Had only these mental masturbation midgets lamented so loudly the choices of Karl “King of the Slimeballs” Rove, Donnie “Needless to say, the President is correct. Whatever it was he said.” Rumsfeld, John “Cover up those nude statues” Ashcroft and Gail “Polluters? What polluters?” Norton?

This just KEEPS getting better…

By Taxpayer

November 22, 2008 9:47 AM | Link to this

So, Corporal,

the bottom line is as I said. They made a good decision after considering everything of importance. Did you bring up this topic about their daughters and their family decision to indicate something to the contrary? If so, what is it?

By "The Corporal"

November 22, 2008 9:48 AM | Link to this

Small Side Issue

Regarding Hillary taking the State Department post it will be interesting to those of us in/retired from the business to see if she gives up her Secret Service detail as Former First Lady to accept the normal State Department Security detail that all Secretaries of State receive.

By catlady

November 22, 2008 9:49 AM | Link to this

Rw: Yeah, I know they are dead. But aren’t they fine examples? (Carbon neutral? I love that! Or we could use the descriptors from the Monty Python sketch about the dead parrot.)

The Corporal: what it says is that Obama is intelligent enough to know he does not know everything. Quite unlike G.W.Bush, who knew next to nothing but thought he knew it all, so he picked mostly folks who would agree with him. It is how the evil men played him (and took us down, too.) I’d rather have someone call in those with knowledge than bumble around in the dark for 8 years or let myself be manipulated by the likes of Chaney, Rumsfeld, etc.

By Soixante huitard

November 22, 2008 9:54 AM | Link to this

From NY Times today:

President-elect Barack Obama won the Democratic nomination with the enthusiastic support of the left wing of his party, fueled by his vehement opposition to the decision to invade Iraq and by one of the most liberal voting records in the Senate.

Now, his reported selections for two of the major positions in his cabinet — Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton as secretary of state and Timothy F. Geithner as secretary of the Treasury — suggest that Mr. Obama is planning to govern from the center-right of his party, surrounding himself with pragmatists rather than ideologues.

Yep. As I suspected. Obama apparently sees a path in launching your campaign on a more partisan note, then gradually veering towards the center in that campaign, and finally, when elected, governing as an enlightened pragmatist non-despot — that way lies potential greatness. Following Reagan model — and the polar opposite of George W. Bush.

By "The Corporal"

November 22, 2008 9:54 AM | Link to this

To Taxpayer

I know you can read …… this is from my post you referred to.

“Bottom line: The decision is always left to the protectees and in this case even the Obama’s can’t bear to put their kids in the same public schools they want everyone else to attend.”

Now, wouldn’t that have been a good example to the nation? I am going to fix the public schools, I have confidence that they are the best for everyone, and to prove it my daughters will be attending one ……..

Nope ……. and I’m not going to support school vouchers, etc. so you can have the same choice.

By AJC/DNC Management

November 22, 2008 9:56 AM | Link to this

Check it out everybody:

By Brrrrr! It’s hot outside. In fact it could be snowing precisely because of global warming.

Oh yeah, it’s getting colder outside because of “global warming.”

That’s^^ the kind of intelligence you just elected to run the government.

With brain power like that, is it any wonder the stock market is tanking?

By catlady

November 22, 2008 9:56 AM | Link to this

Sarah Palin and the turkeys—the gift that keeps on giving. Seriously, isn’t her 20 minutes of fame up yet?!

By DB, Gwinnettian

November 22, 2008 9:58 AM | Link to this

A recent comment from an inebriated commenter in a dead thread. I was going to request that it be removed, but maybe it needs to stay online for awhile.

By Morningstar

November 22, 2008 10:00 AM | Link to this

By drew November 22, 2008 9:31 AM

Drew, check out Luckovich this morning. Dung very concisely placed in a cartoon.

By "The Corporal"

November 22, 2008 10:03 AM | Link to this

To Drew

Read my post again. I never said I wasn’t pleased. All I said was it tells me a lot about Obama.

He ran his campaign under one set up promises but now he has gotten his wake up call from those briefings!

By TW

November 22, 2008 10:05 AM | Link to this

Sarah Palin and the turkeys—the gift that keeps on giving. Seriously, isn’t her 20 minutes of fame up yet?!

Rest assured, catlady, we’ve not heard the last of Simple Sarah - far from it.

Will she spend the next four years putting mag wheels on her political short bus?

You betcha!!!

By DB, Gwinnettian

November 22, 2008 10:09 AM | Link to this

Long as I’m commenting on the commenters:

Wyld, given that this was TOPIC A-Number-1 yesterday morning, funny how you haven’t been back to apologize for claiming Obama didn’t have the “stones” to make a certain appointment known to the public.

Obama has. Word got out within hours of your original complaint.

Well? Want to man up and admit you were wrong about Obama, or don’t you have the stones?

By Taxpayer

November 22, 2008 10:11 AM | Link to this

Corporal,

The bigger question is can you comprehend. Obviously, I read and understood your post before I posted. Try doing the same sometime, if you think yourself capable.

By Brrrrr! It's hot outside.

November 22, 2008 10:17 AM | Link to this

[[By AJC/DNC Management

November 22, 2008 9:56 AM | Link to this

Check it out everybody:…]]

Andy is now revelling in his ignorance…again. I know, I know — So, what’s new!

By DB, Gwinnettian

November 22, 2008 10:18 AM | Link to this

TW, you’d hope the brother at least throws the right wing a bone come 1.20.09. Maybe he’ll wear a turban? Get sworn in on Jefferson’s copy of the Koran? Greet the crowd with “Mars, B!tches!”?

Seriously, if things go on as Jay’s reporting in today’s morning post, our resident wingers have nothing but some C-level blogger’s latest about the Birth Certificate Controversy to whine about.

(and as Soix quite astutely pointed out, after eight years of radicalism, governing from the center, taking advice from people who actually know what they’re doing based on real-life experience is almost… radical.)

By Greg Mendel

November 22, 2008 10:21 AM | Link to this

So far, Obama’s picks have been excellent. They indicate his administration is being staffed to govern efficiently — a big change from an administration that was good at running for office and nothing else.

Frankly, whether you voted for Obama or not, you’d damn well better hope he succeeds. 2009 is going to be one rough ride, and it may not get much better for a decade or more.

By DB, Gwinnettian

November 22, 2008 10:22 AM | Link to this

Brrr, the complaints from the right that “it’s cold! that means GW is a myth!” have become about as expected and hilarious as their “war on Christmas” riffs.

I don’t know of anyone worth knowing who really cares about such bleating at this point.

By DB, Gwinnettian

November 22, 2008 10:26 AM | Link to this

Well, I’d like to hang around this morning, but I have a pagan Christmas tree to put up.

After that, it’s statist leaf-cleanup, and a long run to build up my collectivist endurance for a mid-December race.

So long. Be good.

By Copyleft

November 22, 2008 10:35 AM | Link to this

Reminds me of the similar complaints in October that Obama “couldn’t close the deal”… and then he won.

Do right-wingers ever get tired of being proven wrong?

By "The Corporal"

November 22, 2008 10:37 AM | Link to this

To Taxpayer

So again, personal shots avoid the issue/question.

My point in the first post that you ignored and again ignored in my second post is:

Security is NOT the issue (it just takes more manpower). WHY don’t the Obama’s set a good example and send their kids to public schools like liberals force most of the masses to do because of their non-support for vouchers, etc.

It’s a simple question. Please attempt to answer it.

By RW-(the original)

November 22, 2008 10:48 AM | Link to this

The family’s beloved, wise-cracking “Granny” wears colorful head scarves and slaughters chickens in the backyard. The 86-year-old Onyango is likely to steal the show at Obama’s inauguration, where she has promised to bring homemade chapati — a traditional Kenyan flatbread that is a favorite of the president-elect.

Have the left wing blogs or the New York Times started bleating in horror over this poultry massacre yet?

By Greg Mendel

November 22, 2008 10:50 AM | Link to this

“WHY don’t the Obama’s set a good example and send their kids to public schools like liberals force most of the masses to do because of their non-support for vouchers, etc” — Corporal

Why didn’t George and Laura set a good example, and send their kids to Iraq?

By TW

November 22, 2008 10:50 AM | Link to this

Maybe he’ll wear a turban? Get sworn in on Jefferson’s copy of the Koran? Greet the crowd with “Mars, B!tches!”?

Exactly! Maybe Jeremiah Wright will be that guy who announces the President?

By getalife

November 22, 2008 11:08 AM | Link to this

OBAMA ANNOUNCES PLAN TO CREATE 2.5 MILLION JOBS

Jobs, baby, jobs.

Yes we can.

By getalife

November 22, 2008 11:21 AM | Link to this

Time for Sat. toons

By AJC/DNC Management

November 22, 2008 11:24 AM | Link to this

al-Gitmo: Couldn’t they hold the teleprompter up to the face of the office of the president-elect Wonder Boy, so he doesn’t have to strain his neck so much while reading hardcore liberal boilerplate?

By "The Corporal"

November 22, 2008 11:30 AM | Link to this

To Greg Mendel

Thanks Greg. At least you will address the issue and debate.

A couple of points:

1) Why didn’t Bill Clinton join the Army? Why did Congress exempt itself from the Civil Rights Act? Why do people in positions of power always do one thing and expect the masses to do another? Why don’t the politicians want the draft restored (their kids might have to go)?

It’s always do as I say, not do what I do.

The arrogance of power.

2) This would have been a perfect opportunity for the Obama’s to start changing some of that and identify with the common folk …. but alas, they are now part of the elite and public schools (which I attended) are too low for their kids.

3) If George had two big strong boys of military age …….. yes, I would be upset.

P.S. Do you know who participated in the Marine Raider Battalion raid on Makin Island far behind Japanese lines during the first part of WWII (1942)? Captain James Roosevelt - the President’s son.

By getalife

November 22, 2008 11:45 AM | Link to this

Andy,

Adults are back in charge.

Grow up and deal with it.

By Greg Mendel

November 22, 2008 11:56 AM | Link to this

Corporal:

There’s not much to debate. Like all Americans, the Obamas can send their kids to any school they can afford. I’m sure they thought it out, and realistically, the DC public schools aren’t a good place for the president’s kids. Sure, they could be protected, but protecting them would be a real production.

They already attend private school in Chicago. Education is obviously important to the Obamas. If they sent the kids to public schools in DC, they’d just be accused of making a superficial show, and using their kids as political pawns, which would be true.

Clinton didn’t join the army because he didn’t want to, and had a deferment — like a billion others in the Vietnam era, including Cheney and Chambliss.

I joined the army, myself, and went to Vietnam. My animosity towards my peers who “opted out” was reserved for the chickenhawks. To have a primo chickenhawk become commander-in-chief was the ultimate insult. I would have sent him my medals, but I’d already sent them to that earlier chickenhawk Dan Quayle.

By Bud Wiser

November 22, 2008 12:02 PM | Link to this

By Greg Mendel

November 22, 2008 10:21 AM | Link to this

So far, Obama’s picks have been excellent. They indicate his administration is being staffed to govern efficiently — a big change from an administration that was good at running for office and nothing else.

You obviously missed my earlier post, so back by popular demand, here are the facts about your excellent selections by BO:

Change Hillary from Senator into a Secretary of State;

Change Eric Holder into Number 1 slot at Justice Department. He held the No. 2 slot in President Bill Clinton’s administration. Maybe there were other criminal elements other than Mark Rich that were overlooked the first time and need to be ‘cleaned up’ now;

Other Cabinet selections so far include former Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle of South Dakota as secretary of health and human services; wow, more change. Just like Gore losing his home state of Tennessee in the 2000 election, and thus the presidency, ‘local knowledge’ by his home state voters got this loser tossed from the Senate for being too liberal . Nice choice there.

Officials said New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson had emerged as a likely pick as commerce secretary. Wow, the change picks here just keep stacking up!

Economic posts also seemed likely for Obama’s top two economic advisers during his campaign, Austan Goolsbee and Jason Furman.

Goolsbee, among other things which at face value seem harmless enough, is otherwise known for advocating an automated tax system, in which the I.R.S. sends taxpayers a document informing them how much they owe rather than a blank tax form. Now this in the hands of a Democratic Congress represents apparently the ultimate blank check, ‘just gimme your wallet’, or, ‘how much do you have -total- yes, that is your bill.’ Now I must say that this is a change you can be afraid of.

Furman, In 1996, while he was a graduate student at Harvard, was hired by economist Joseph Stiglitz to serve for a one-year stint as Special Assistant to the President for Economic Policy in the Clinton Administration. CHANGE, MORE CHANGE!!!!!

While speculation has been rampant about most top-level appointments, there has been relatively little about Obama’s choice for defense secretary. His aides encouraged speculation before the election that Robert Gates, who now holds the position, would remain in office for an interim period. - Rumor mill has William Ayers as an insider darkhorse.

Here you go lefty wingnuts, your fevered list of changlings so far. Suck on it.

By Dusty

November 22, 2008 12:12 PM | Link to this

Well, it does seem that Obama was elected by confirmed fundamentalist lefties. So now he is making a cabinet of Centrist selectees, some definitely Right Wing.

I don’t think that is the CHANGE that our dear Democrats expected. Now they have changed their tune to “selected smart people”. They will not say REPUBLICANS because they have spit on that word for so long.

Obama is smart enough to keep some Bush appointees because he is more and more seeing what Bush had to face. Making decisions is a little harder than talking about it.

Luckovich pictured it quite clearly today. Obama is already aging and he has not yet been inaugurated. Fortunately, he has a ethical president to introduce him to the “ropes”, one without rancor.

Too bad Democrats do not have the character to be winners or losers with any kind of grace or good charm. Hate has blinded them for so long they cannot express anything else.

Obama seems to have a character higher than his followers. Let us hope so anyway.

By Greg Mendel

November 22, 2008 12:21 PM | Link to this

Bud:

Choosing competent people is more effective than choosing ex-horse show operatives. They are more likely to do a better job when a hurricane hits New Orleans. I’m sure you remember Brownie.

Regarding the Clinton administration veterans, I recall that Dubya’s daddy hired a bunch of folks from the Reagan administration, and Dubya hired Rumsfeld, Cheney and others from his old man’s administration. Of course, the country did much better under Clinton’s regime than under both Bush administrations. That’s because Clinton hired competent people.

If Bill Clinton had been able to run for president in 2008, he’d have been re-elected in a landslide. How many people would want George Bush again? How many want him now?

By Greg Mendel

November 22, 2008 12:29 PM | Link to this

“Well, it does seem that Obama was elected by confirmed fundamentalist lefties.” — Dusty

Must be an awful lot of fundamentalist lefties around.

By "The Corporal"

November 22, 2008 12:44 PM | Link to this

To Greg Mendel

Thanks for the comments. It’s great to have someone who can dialogue.

1) They have missed a great opportunity to support public schools as they preach to everyone else. They could still get all the private tutoring the needed. It really strikes me as hypocrisy re: his positon on school vouchers.

2) This private school will smile outwardly but in reality they don’t want them. Why? Nothing personal, but they get the Secret Service (that can be a real hassle) and the school becomes a terrorist target even when the Obama kids are not there. Everyday the school will have to be swept for explosives, etc. The USSS will do there best but it’s very disruptive to everything.

3) Clinton lied about his draft status, deferrment, etc. He should have been drafted. I always wondered if the guy drafted in his place died over there?

4) On Chickenhawks. Yes the world is full of Chickenhawks and there are some on these blogs. There are also many Republican and Democrat Chickhawks but in my opinion the policies of a conservative Chickenhawk are still far better than the policies of a liberal Chickenhawk.

5) India 3/4 (Marines) DMZ 1967-68.

Who were you with, where, etc.?

By "The Corporal"

November 22, 2008 12:53 PM | Link to this

What happened to Inclusiveness?

News: Obama’s vetting could chase away candidates

“As a presidential candidate, Barack Obama became known as “No Drama Obama” for the meticulous scrutiny he applied to nearly every speech, strategy decision and personnel appointment. But some political observers say the president-elect’s similar caution may be turning away qualified candidates for key administration posts.”

By AmVet

November 22, 2008 1:12 PM | Link to this

Of course, the Know-Nothing Party is miffed about Obama’s early picks.

The GOP First, Nation Second gang were fervently praying that he would pick modern day versions of Hamilton Jordan, Jody Powell, Bert Lance and Griffin Bell.

Now that he hasn’t, the stupid analogy they’ve posited for weeks falls to pieces.

Like virtually every one of their moronic theories…

By "The Corporal"

November 22, 2008 1:24 PM | Link to this

To AmVet

You left out Ambassador to the World - Bill Carter.

By RW-(the original)

November 22, 2008 1:26 PM | Link to this

11/22/2008 Victory in Iraq Day

Years from now when people search the internet for VI Day they’ll find hundreds if not thousands of blogs referencing today as the day we declared victory in Iraq.

By getalife

November 22, 2008 1:40 PM | Link to this

Wow the wingnut blogs declared mission accomplished 2.0.

Where is the banner RW?

By Greg Mendel

November 22, 2008 1:47 PM | Link to this

“Who were you with, where, etc.?”

25th Infantry Division, Cu Chi, 1966-67.

By RW-(the original)

November 22, 2008 1:50 PM | Link to this

getalife,

There was a pretty nice banner at the link, but if you go to the blogroll I’m sure you can find quite a few more.

By getalife

November 22, 2008 1:55 PM | Link to this

RW,

Sends a good message to the troops but doesn’t the President declare mission accomplished again?

By Cherokee

November 22, 2008 2:08 PM | Link to this

Amvet - “mental masturbation midgets”?

Love it - you made my day…

By AJC/DNC Management

November 22, 2008 2:12 PM | Link to this

By Greg Mendel November 22, 2008 1:47 PM “Who were you with, where, etc.?” 25th Infantry Division, Cu Chi, 1966-67.

Eleven Bravo?

By Dusty

November 22, 2008 2:35 PM | Link to this

Mendel 12:29

Yep, there are a whole lot of fundamentalist lefties around. They have been fed nothing but Bush-hate for eight years. It shows.

It is reflected in almost every lefty post here. A bunch of rundown ol’ haters sit here day after day hating the president, demoralizing American troops, encouraging terrorists, demanding more handouts, smearing any Republican candidate even to family members and even after the elections are over.

They did not care if Obama had bad associates and little experience. He could make a good speech and HE WAS NOT A REPUBLICAN.

Congress is dominated by Democrats and they have all voted for things that failed. But the blame is always placed on Bush, not on the ones who voted.

I still have hope for Obama who does not seem filled with any kind of manufactured vengence. I think he is very ambitious but I hope his mind will be the strongest of the two drives, that and character.

I hope he will never have to endure the tyranny of hate filled minds as those directed at President Bush. That is the disgrace of the century and Democrats are responsible.

By Greg Mendel

November 22, 2008 3:30 PM | Link to this

“Eleven Bravo?” — AC/DC

Nope.

By Greg Mendel

November 22, 2008 3:47 PM | Link to this

“I still have hope for Obama who does not seem filled with any kind of manufactured vengence. I think he is very ambitious but I hope his mind will be the strongest of the two drives, that and character” — Dusty

That’s a good attitude. I think he’s a good man — with a terrible challenge before him.

By Dusty

November 22, 2008 4:07 PM | Link to this

Yes, Greg 3:47

Let’s hope Obama does get support…more than George W. Bush has ever gotten from Democrats. Bush’s challenge was as terrible as that of Pearl Harbor.

I hope you remember that things don’t always go right. When that happens to Obama don’t treat him with the hate that was thrown at George W. Bush. That treatment is a black mark on Democrats in American history. And don’t call it dissent. It wasn’t. It was pure unadulterated hate generated from lost elections and looking for places to go at aevery opportunity.

By broknbuddha

November 22, 2008 4:32 PM | Link to this

to Dusty

If you are the one driving the car when it goes into the swamp, you do not get to blame the people in the back seat for being a bad driver.

The GOP has controlled both sides of congress for 12 of the last 14 years and controlled the presidency for 8.

Do you Really think they did a Good Job of it?

I was a stout Republican in the Nineties. The ever constant scandals, the baffling incompetence of the GOP and a real close-up view of Trickle Down economics has left me with a sour taste in my mouth and a solid seat on the left. The number of major problems facing this country is staggering. Tell me please, if Bush’s legacy to this nation is not a good enough reason to hate him, how much further would he have to go? Clubbing old people?

We’ve all had a good taste of GOP ideas and a lot of time to see them in action. Maybe it’s time we gave the other side a shot at it, and a little bit of breathing space in the hopes that they will get it right.

By AJC/DNC Management

November 22, 2008 4:37 PM | Link to this

By Greg Mendel November 22, 2008 3:30 PM “Eleven Bravo?” — AC/DC Nope.

REMF?

By Dusty

November 22, 2008 4:51 PM | Link to this

Dear Buddha,4:32

You are trying for the old bit about the Captain goes down with the ship of state. But our ship is run by Congress and the Captain. Congress has been run by Democrats for the past two years and has blocked everything that the Captain wanted to do. That did include reining in the ill advised mortgages which triggered much of what has happened to our economics..

Everything done by Republicans and George W. Bush was not perfect. But you overlook the successes. I think maintaining this country in safety is great and I appreciate that. Freeing two countries from dictators and suppressive government is also worthy. Terribly expensive? Yes.

But George W. Bush did not gather the info that indicated WMDs in Iraq. That was the original horror. Our Congress, the UN and the UK all agreed with those findings. Bush acted on that information. Whateverelse has happened, al Quaida is weak by all accounts.

But the point it, because all plans did not work out as planned is no reason to HATE the President. He has had as much success as failure. But the hate from Democrats has been unfaltering. There is no excuse for that.

As I have said before, dissent is one thing but hate is just hate. No excuse.

Americans voted in a new party power and a new president. Let us hope to overcome our problems. and let us also hope that Democrats will not hate Obama at his first failing as they did with George W. Bush.

By catlady

November 22, 2008 5:10 PM | Link to this

Tell me please, if Bush’s legacy to this nation is not a good enough reason to hate him, how much further would he have to go? Clubbing old people?

budha, that is priceless!

Got another mailing from the GOP today. They tell me if I don’t vote Republican in the runoff the Democrats are going to trash the Constitution (what is left of it after Bush?), legalize gay marriage, and use tax money to pay for abortions. They should have added in something about clubbing old people.

The mailing tells us that the Democrats “and their radical allies … (will be) dismantling our values and tearing away the fabric of our country.” It also warns against l etting the Democrats get “complete and total control. Vote early to stop the liberal Democrats from rippling away our Georgia values.” No fear-mongering there, right?

Let’s see. Saxby Chambliss and our Georgia values. Exactly WHICH ONES has he supported? Special interest groups, pork, lack of support for the armed services (unless he can make a buck off it), the sugar lobby, patriots like Max Cleland? Oh, yeah, our Georgia value of a good golf game. That is his contribution!

Wake up, folks. Look at his record. Look at what he is going to try to continue his gravy train. Then vote against those kind of values. You know a man by what he does. Look at what he has done.

By "The Corporal"

November 22, 2008 6:09 PM | Link to this

To AJC/DNC

Common now …. he was there. A lot of REMF’s of all branches are on that wall. Wrong place at the wrong time.

Tropic Lightning Ooo Rah !

By Greg Mendel

November 22, 2008 6:11 PM | Link to this

“REMF?” — AC/DC

You mean one of those guys who hauled the ammo, flew the choppers, treated the wounds, packed up the dead, delivered the mail, made the signals work, sorted the intel, laid down artillery, fixed the vehicles, served the chow — that sort of thing?

Yeah. And got shot at.

How about you, MF?

By Greg Mendel

November 22, 2008 6:25 PM | Link to this

“Common now …. he was there.” — Corporal

How do you know?

By "The Corporal"

November 22, 2008 6:48 PM | Link to this

To Greg Mendel

Hey! Don’t diss me. I was taking up for you. I take you at your word.

By Greg Mendel

November 22, 2008 6:50 PM | Link to this

Yo, Corporal —

Go to YouTube and punch in “Sparky Kisse” Check out both part 1 & 2 of the interview. You’ll like it. Trust me. This is a non-partisan recommendation.

By Greg Mendel

November 22, 2008 7:02 PM | Link to this

“Hey! Don’t diss me. I was taking up for you. I take you at your word” — Corporal

Wasn’t dissing you. Your post was correct. Problem is, anybody can lie on the internet, which was my point.

You asked where I was in Vietnam, and I told you. AC/DC asked if I was an infantryman, and I told him I was not. I got shot at on numerous assignments, but wasn’t an 11B. But, I could have said “yes,” and made up a bunch of crap about winning the Bronze Star, etc.

All of my close friends in high school — except one — joined the army during the Vietnam War. Two were Marines, three army,. One joined the Georgia Air National Guard — and was a member of SDS.

AC/DC may have been an 11B, but I doubt it. That he is a SMF, I have no doubt.

By "The Corporal""

November 22, 2008 9:29 PM | Link to this

To Greg Mendel

True about what you say on these blogs but over time if they claim a certain expertise, etc. (politics aside)you can usually tell whether or not it’s B.S.

I don’t know how many guys have told me they were in V.N. but all their records were classified because they were in Special Operations Group (S.O.G.). I remind them it was Studies and Observations Group (doesn’t sound as sexy) and their faces usually go pale.

“Every man thinks meanly of himself for not having been a soldier, or not having been at sea.” Samuel Johnson (1709-1784).

By the way, I joined the Marines in late 1966 and the day I was inducted about 8 “Army draftees” found out at the end of the day that they had instead been drafted into the Marines. We all went through training together and after it was all said and done you couldn’t tell the difference.

By spankmonkey

November 23, 2008 7:37 AM | Link to this

The easy way to tell the difference between an Army grunt, and a true Marine is that the Marine doesn’t need to tell you he’s a marine, you can tell.

I’m curious, since the choice of the Barack girls school is so preoccupying, what school(s) did the Bush twins attend?

What is your “voucher” plan anyway? My kids are in private school in North Fulton, the tuition is 12,000.00 a year per child. How far do you think that “voucher” is cover that? I’ve heard numbers like 1500.00/yr etc… for “voucher” amounts. That’s 1/8th the yearly cost for one child.

Hmmmm… who’s going to subsidize the rest of my children’s education if I only have 1500.00 to pay, and don’t want them in public school? I’d be willing to bet that some of the area religious schools might step into that void. There’s the heart of your “voucher” issue.

By "The Corporal"

November 23, 2008 8:02 AM | Link to this

To spankmonkey

1) If you drive in Atlanta traffic (or any city) take this test. For just one day count the number of Marine emblems, etc.on bumper/window/license plates vs. all of the other services combined.

I can’t help it if the Corps is like that and has the most espirit de corps of all the services. It’s just who we are and we like to find each other as the years go by.

2) If you read my posts closely you will realize that I said the arrogance of power applies across the board. It applies to all - “my kids are different”. Vouchers aren’t a cure all but it’s a start, it will force public schools to do better and for many parents it’s just enough to make the move. Vouchers should apply to religious schools as well.

By artjazz

November 23, 2008 8:08 AM | Link to this

What surprise, Obama never indicated that he had any ties to black people or the left, infact he married his black wife as a contrived ploy to get elected someday. Now what? It appears that we blacks have been hoodwinked again, bamboozled, by Obama and his entourage. Am I the only black male who has noticed that practically his entire inner circle is white or near white. Why are all the black commentators around the country keeping their mouths shut? Could it be that all of the elitist blacks around the country are only interested in getting a ticket to the inaugural Ball, and being seem. But then remember, Obama never mentioned poor people once in his campaign or speeches, it was “middle-class,” a catch phrase for white people. Do the math.

By artjazz

November 23, 2008 8:12 AM | Link to this

His marrige to his black wife was contrived to get elected, and he dated white women most of his pre-marrige years. Now what? It appears that we blacks have been hoodwinked again, bamboozled, by Obama and his entourage. Am I the only black male who has noticed that practically his entire inner circle is white or near white. Why are all the black commentators around the country keeping their mouths shut? Could it be that all of the elitist blacks around the country are only interested in getting a ticket to the inaugural Ball, and being seem. But then remember, Obama never mentioned poor people once in his campaign or speeches, it was “middle-class,” a catch phrase for white people. Do the math.

By spankmonkey

November 23, 2008 8:26 AM | Link to this

Corporal, I’m not disparaging you or any other individual who served our country. Marines are Marines for life…

I don’t have any problem with vouchers being used for religious schools, I was pointing out who seems to be the biggest benefactor in the whole “voucher” issue.

In this economy, I don’t think vouchers are going to have any impact, regardless of political affiliation.

By spankmonkey

November 23, 2008 8:35 AM | Link to this

“it was “middle-class,” a catch phrase for white people.”

There are plenty of black folks in the middle class, just go to an atheletic shoe store in any mall, and you’ll see it.

It’s almost comical if it weren’t so sad. Black folks work thier asses off to get ahead in a system that is stacked against them to begin with, move thier families to better areas, only to have thier kids “thug” up and start actin ghetto.

Sorry, but it’s hard to get a decent job, much less build a succesful career, when your pants bottoms are drooping below your knees and you’re all tatted up with jailhouse tatoos (even though you’ve never been to jail). Sorry but there’s only so many opportunities in the NBA and the odds are against your little thugs becoming a rapper…

Please don’t rail against the white folk for being successful, your “people” are doing it to themselves. Times have changed, you have the same opportunitys that “we” have, you’re holding yourselves back these days. Clayton County is an excellent example of that.

By Truthman

November 23, 2008 1:18 PM | Link to this

Last sitting president to send his child to public school?

Jimmy Carter!

Where did the Bush bimbos go, eh “little corporal?”

By "The Corporal"

November 23, 2008 2:19 PM | Link to this

To spankmonkey

I hear you. Semper Fi!

Vouchers - you have to start somewhere to get anywhere.

By Gary Peters

November 23, 2008 4:46 PM | Link to this

I hope that General Jim Jones has the the guts to ask President-Elect Obama to site his original Certificate of Live Birth from Hawaii before considering the position of National Security Advisor. An unconstitutionally qualified Commander and Chief will put our men and women in uniform in serious UCMJ jeopardy. Semper Fidelis!

By nihil

November 24, 2008 9:04 PM | Link to this

Why are you guys wasting time when that rotten poltroon Chambliss is still spreading his lies and leading the polls. I put 21 years in Georgia and 8 in the Marines — and survived the Talmadges and Marvin Griffin, those racist swine, back when most Southern Democrats were pure, unadulterated s**. How did Jimmy Carter become governor? There must have been something good in Georgia that is hiding now. . Virginia and North Carolina are back as Democrats. Why does Georgia want to hang with S.C., Alabama, and Mississippi when it could be part of a glorious future. The next few years of the economy are going to be living hell. We are going to need huge budget deficits (purely formal I assure you) to rescue the crooked banking system. If it goes down we’ll have to start from scratch, and every thing that’s been thrown down the rat-hole will be lost. If we double down, and prevent further collapse (and get a decent accounting system and a capital budget), we will see federal assets will far exceed federal debts. This is still the richest country in the world by far. We would see this if saw some truthful accounts. But Republicans are frightened and gutless, and give rotten head. If Franken wins, then a victory for Martin would break the filibuster and permit progressive legislation to pass Congress. Even if Franken loses there are a few moderate Republican senators to pull over on key legislation. How do people like Lugar, Grassley, and Snowe bring themselves to cowtow tothe Republican leadership. Every vote counts (I hopr). Every dollar counts.

By gsc

November 25, 2008 9:47 PM | Link to this

Bush only had one problem: After the terrorists knocked down our twin towers, he went to war and America went to the mall. That fact, and that fact alone, is the sickest thing that has ever happened to this country in my opinion. Damn shame! Unlike the incoming first lady, it makes me embarrassed of America for the first time. Damn shame.