Jay Bookman

By GodHatesTrash

November 19, 2008 6:48 AM | Link to this

To be more specific, the evangelical, right-wing, oogedy-boogedy branch of the GOP is what ails the erstwhile conservative party and will continue to afflict and marginalize its constituents if reckoning doesn’t soon cometh.

Bookman, I say the exact same thing and get banned or have my postings pulled.

And an oogedy-boogedy boo! shout-out to all y’all rightwingnut Bookman’s Bog of Bloggers…

By GodHatesTrash

November 19, 2008 6:51 AM | Link to this

Thinking about changing my screenname to GodHatesOogedy-Boogedy…

By AJC/DNC Management

November 19, 2008 6:52 AM | Link to this

Yeah, McCain was a hardcore Bible, wooo boy:

Maybe that’s because Republicans have looked closely at the election results. The country hasn’t so much moved left as it has abandoned a GOP that abandoned its own principles. In Ohio, Barack Obama actually won about 40,000 fewer votes than John Kerry did four years ago. Mr. Obama took Ohio only because John McCain pulled 350,000 fewer votes than George W. Bush did in 2004. Republicans and Republican-leaning voters stayed home.

That’s not an endorsement of the ideas of the left. It’s a lack enthusiasm for a party that failed to deliver the smaller government it promised in Washington. At least the GOP, in settling on future leaders like Governors Jindal, Sanford and Palin, seems to understand that.-WSJ

By leni

November 19, 2008 6:58 AM | Link to this

To understand the schism, you should read the Hawk’s piece on Chris Buckley et al. Meanwhile, the times seemed a little out of joint when The Big O appeared before screaming German masses at a Berlin zoo (Tiergarten). Now here is another bit of wobble .See Der Spiegel On Line report of students rioting in Berlin. Listen to what they are saying in addition to the usual student demands about classes and costs.

By AJC/DNC Management

November 19, 2008 6:58 AM | Link to this

Religulous (an anti religious propaganda rant by drunken Bill Maher) opened to moderate success. It brought in $3.3 million over the weekend, enough to cover expenses and squeak in at the bottom of the top 10. But Fireproof’s (a faith based movie made by a church in Albany georgai) second week beat out the establishment insurgent on its way to a 23 million dollar run. It’s just another in a long line of independent, traditionally-themed flicks trampling their liberal counterparts.-AmSpec

Kathleen Parker didn’t do her research then and she doesn’t do it now.

By GodHatesTrash

November 19, 2008 7:09 AM | Link to this

RightWingnuts - don’t worry, when Parker refers to “party intelligentsia”, she’s not talking about anyone on this blog.

By AJC/DNC Management

November 19, 2008 7:17 AM | Link to this

A career move into the party of power mongers:

Were NR readers upset with Parker, who spent the autumn months building a career in commentary on MSNBC by beating Palin like a pinata at a grade-school birthday party? You betchum.

What Arango did not document was the “erudition” in Parker’s salvos against Palin. She first earned brickbats with sentences like “If BS were currency, Palin could bail out Wall Street herself.” Parker also wrote a column suggesting McCain picked Palin because he was dazzled and/or aroused by her beauty, and compared the ticket to Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky.

She’s all yours.

By Mrs. Godzilla

November 19, 2008 7:29 AM | Link to this

No Duh, Ms, Parker.

Now tell us something we haven’t known for 8 years!

By Mrs. Godzilla

November 19, 2008 7:32 AM | Link to this

BTW…

I’d like to congratulate the new Senator from Alaska….Mark Begich. (#58)

Franken will probably be #59.

Now get out there and vote early for Jim Martin. Let’s make hime #60.

By TW

November 19, 2008 7:35 AM | Link to this

MARYSVILLE, Wash. – A father arrested after his 6-year-old daughter was fatally shot in their Washington state home allegedly told authorities he had been drinking double shots of vodka while cleaning his guns.

Last week it was the 8yr old at the gun show with an Uzi.

Does anyone out there have the stats, the ratio, of crap like this versus successful ‘self-protection’ with a gun?

Couldn’t find anything on the NRA website.

Thanks.

By AmVet

November 19, 2008 7:44 AM | Link to this

Sen. Hagel Rips into Bush — and Rush Limbaugh

What do you expect?

This man of proven valor and integrity is the very antithesis to the craven chickenhawks and ostriches that dominate the GOP. It must feel good for him to get away from the stench that IS the Republican Party. And the airwaves as championed by that fat POS, darling to the “center-right” (LOL!) useful idiots and hate-mongering cowards.

*Outgoing Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel appearing at a forum at the Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies, said sarcastically:

“We are educated by the great entertainers like Rush Limbaugh. You know, I wish Rush Limbaugh and others like that would run for office. They have so much to contribute and so much leadership and they have an answer for everything. And they would be elected overwhelmingly.*

“They try to rip everyone down and make fools of everybody but they don’t have any answers.”

Criticizing the GOP’s approach to foreign policy, Hagel said: “Engagement is not appeasement. Diplomacy is not retreat. Somehow too many in this town and in this country have disconnected all of that.”

By Mrs. Godzilla

November 19, 2008 7:44 AM | Link to this

TW

Click Here for stats

By Ray

November 19, 2008 7:46 AM | Link to this

Before Ms Parker is successful in writing off the right, let me point out to her that Repubs took 47% of the vote. The Annointed One, 53%. That seems to be far from a mandate (Reagan with 49/50 states, Nixon with about the same). Not all of that 47% are Bible thumping evangelicals. A lot of us don’t even go to church. If the Libs had not had the black and Latino vote, no Obama. If the Repubs don’t get the thumpers, no McCain. What’s the difference? Each of these special interest groups represents only about 20% or so of the constituency. No more. But without each of them, their respective party loses. When did a prospective candidate for governor in Florida ever get elected without the Cuban vote? Maybe we need to start giving away the farm or at least telling minorities that we will. That seems to have worked pretty well so far for the libs. However, as long as the give away platform of the left continues, their minority vote is secure. And that is what is keeping them in power. The young are fickle, uninformed for the most part, easily swayed and media driven. Don’t depend on them being a solid base, libs. You might be very surprised.

By G

November 19, 2008 7:54 AM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla at 7:32,

Ditto! Let’s go for #60!

I’ve never been impressed by Republican “values”.

Their concept of moral isn’t mine, and my value system is not inferior to theirs, in any way.

They only recognize life as they think it should be, not how it is.

By TW

November 19, 2008 7:57 AM | Link to this

Mrs. G - Thanks, great stuff.

22:1

Yee-ha…

By Mrs. Godzilla

November 19, 2008 8:00 AM | Link to this

give away platform of the left…..

DAMN! I must have gotten in the wrong line!

All those entitlements, all those freebies, all those bailouts, all those giveaways and still the poor get poorer and the rich get richer.

Are the $$$$$ being tossed out of a window somewhere? Should I be standing on a sidewalk somewhere with a laundry basket playing cash catch?

Can I have just a little bit of the $$$$ we just used to bailout GE? (Yep, we bailed out GE too)

That damn GE so damn liberal and taking the giveaway.

That damn AIG so damn liberal and taking the giveaway. AND coming back fot more!

Here is a list of some other DAMN LIBERAL companies lining up for the giveaway:

JPMorgan $25 billion

Citigroup $25 billion

Wells Fargo $25 billion

Bank of America $15 billion

Merrill Lynch $10 billion

Goldman Sachs $10 billion

Morgan Stanley $10 billion

PNC Financial Services $7.7 billion

Bank of New York Mellon $3 billion

State Street Corp $2 billion

Capital One Financial $3.55 billion

Fifth Third Bancorp $3.45 billion

Regions Financial $3.5 billion

SunTrust Banks $3.5 billion

BB&T Corp $3.1 billion

KeyCorp $2.5 billion

Comerica $2.25 billion

Marshall & Ilsley Corp $1.7 billion

Northern Trust Corp $1.5 billion

Huntington Bancshares $1.4 billion

Zions Bancorp $1.4 billion

First Horizon National $866 million

City National Corp $395 million

Valley National Bancorp $330 million

UCBH Holdings Inc $298 million

Umpqua Holdings Corp $214 million

Washington Federal $200 million

First Niagara Financial $186 million

HF Financial Corp $25 million

Bank of Commerce $17 million

Damn giveaway platform of WHOM?

By TW

November 19, 2008 8:08 AM | Link to this

Reagan’s ‘young base’ stayed blindly loyal enough to give us eight years of ‘w.’

The Republicans will reap for decades the ramifications of having trashed the country.

Any GOPer who claims to have a problem with Ms. Parker’s words serves only as priceless leftwing advertising - closet libs.

When the right emerges from their darkened tunnel, if they do, they will be Democrat light.

By Road Scholar

November 19, 2008 8:10 AM | Link to this

Mrs G: Good work on the gun violence find. As for the bailout, didn’t you get a toaster?

By AmVet

November 19, 2008 8:13 AM | Link to this

My predictions for the GOP’s slate of candidates for 2012:

Rudy Giuliani, Mike Huckabee, Mitt Romney, Sam Brownback, Duncan Hunter, Tom Tancredo, and………………………………………………..SARAH PALIN!

Throw in some other flat-earth thumper like Ralph Reed and voila! The party’s ticket for success!

Fat Fred couldn’t be bothered with the effort this time, Ron Paul would run as an Independent and the maverick, though still stronger and wiser than any of the above losers, is just too old, even by Republican standards.

The new GOP mantra- 2012 or never!

By Ray

November 19, 2008 8:24 AM | Link to this

Standing on the street with a basket collecting the cash. Yup, sounds pretty good. The minority libs have been doing that since 1964. The stats you quoted are a drop in the bucket when you compare all of the public assistance programs, all of those programs that are supposed to help the little guy since 1964….. the health care costs alone make the statistics you quoted seem pretty insignificant. Whites collect about 50% of public assistance monies allocated each year. Blacks get about 40% of all allocated funds but represent only 14% of the population. At least some of the bailout monies that you quoted represent companies still in business, offering jobs and retirement plans to employees and allowing them to make their house payments. Virtually all of the monies allocated for public assistance since 1964 might as well have been thrown into a basket on the street somewhere. It has created a culture dependent on others for even basic needs, created a loyalty to a party that perpetuates it and given you the presidency of the United States. What more could you want?

By Drink up and put us out of your misery

November 19, 2008 8:30 AM | Link to this

Has anyone else noticed the uncanny similarities between Jim Jones and George Bush. Is Bush Jones-incarnate or a sibling separated at birth perhaps. Drink up, Republicans, and let your party be re-born.

By Soixante huitard

November 19, 2008 8:37 AM | Link to this

And shifting demographics suggest that the Republican Party — and conservatism with it — eventually will die out unless religion is returned to the privacy of one’s heart where it belongs. [My emphasis]

Eventually will die out, she says?

Eventually?

The patient has been flatlining and lying motionless on the gurney for 2 weeks now and she says ‘eventually?

But in all seriousness, the real danger for the ‘pubbies and conservatives is not even a real death with a cremation and funeral. The real danger is that they continue to live on like zombies who are actually undead and still trying to feed off the flesh of those still living.

By Paul

November 19, 2008 8:44 AM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla 7:32

G’morning!

[[I’d like to congratulate the new Senator from Alaska….Mark Begich. (#58)]]

I saw a clip with Sen-elect Begich last night. He talked about drilling in Anwar and protecting gun rights.

Didn’t this guy learn anything from Sen Lieberman’s experience? Nice tie-in to Jay’s “Martin Luther and his ‘95 Theses.” Buck the orthodoxy and get excommunicated. We may end up with two independents in Congress.

Oh, and I’ll hazard a guess more than a few Georgia voters are aware of what one less Democratic Senator means in the Senate power struggles but who will nonetheless vote against Chambliss.

your 8:00

llHere is a list of some other DAMN LIBERAL companies lining up for the giveaway: ]]

Upon what basis do you assert these companies are damn liberals? Because their executives donated more to Obama than to McCain? Because their rank and file donated more to Obama than to McCain?

They’d likely object to your characterizing what they’re doing as “lining up for the giveaway.”

They’d likely look at it as ‘payback.’

:-)

AmVet 8:13

A pox on you! Then again, it’s only a prediction.

But remember: with Democrats controlling the Executive, and now likely the Legislative:

“Never underestimate the ability of large groups to act stupidly”

By lovelyliz

November 19, 2008 8:45 AM | Link to this

The GOP has to decide when it comes to running a government of the people, by the people and for the people whether they want to honor the rules of the evangelical version of the Bible or the US Constitution.

By Troll Patrol

November 19, 2008 8:48 AM | Link to this

Jay,

As I watched and worked throughout the campaign season for my preferred candidates I had many conversations with staff, volunteers and friends of similar liberal persuasions to my own. Often, they would ask me why I had a complete, absolute take-no-prisoners attitude to this election just past. My answer was always - “I’ve learned well from the Karl Rove School of Politics and I use it to the advantage of Democrats”. To that end let me say this to you about today’s column, STOP TALKING ABOUT THIS!!

Let the Republic’s figure out what problems and challenges they have to surmount. Don’t provide them with useful critigue, don’t give them signs that point them to the exit from the wilderness, don’t provide them with anything that could be considered good advice. There are many smart Republic’s out there and those folks are working diligently to figure out the who, what, why, where and how of the defeats in the last two election cycles. Let them be the one’s to face that challenge.

What we NEED to be doing is to start now in planning, fund-raising, candidate recruitment and building on the constituencies that help us win. Continue getting voters registered and organizing so that we’re ready in 2, 4, 6 years. In 2010 the Republic’s are again going to have to defend more seats in the Senate than Democrats and this is an opportunity that we dare not squander. We need to work and assume nothing. So I ask of you, please continue with the great work but let’s work to make our nation safer, stronger and fiscally sound once again. Let’s make sure that we’re tending our own and leave the Republic’s to try and make their own problems dissolve.

By bh

November 19, 2008 8:48 AM | Link to this

Sorry to veer off subject but this jumped out at me —

“CAIRO, Egypt — Al-Qaida No. 2 Ayman al-Zawahri is criticizing Barack Obama in a new message, calling him a demeaning racial term implying that the president-elect is a black American who does the bidding of whites.”

This is great news! It will do more for uniting the American people than almost any other occurrence. You know how it goes - we can insult each other ‘til we’re blue in the face, but no one else gets to join in. Sort of like kids fighting with a sibling and then beating the cr** out of anyone else who tries. Bring it on!

Missed the 60 Minutes interview w/ Obama when it aired Sunday night, but watched on-line yesterday and loved every second of it.

By lovelyliz

November 19, 2008 8:51 AM | Link to this

The GOP has to decide if it will be run by the social neo-cons or actually, real life practicing fiscal/Consitutional conservatives.

Personally, I can figure out my own morality and think the government should stay out of it.

By AmVet

November 19, 2008 8:51 AM | Link to this

Paul,

With the President-elect being put in the same class as this American hero, of GREAT accomplishment, without yet really having done ANYTHING of legislative note, this seems to apply

Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man’s character, give him power. - Abraham Lincoln

Off to pay for the occupation. And bailout.

Pray for rain…

By Troll Patrol

November 19, 2008 8:52 AM | Link to this

Jay,

As I watched and worked throughout the campaign season for my preferred candidates I had many conversations with staff, volunteers and friends of similar liberal persuasions to my own. Often, they would ask me why I had a complete, absolute take-no-prisoners attitude to this election just past. My answer was always - “I’ve learned well from the Karl Rove School of Politics and I use it to the advantage of Democrats”. To that end let me say this to you about today’s column, STOP TALKING ABOUT THIS!!

Let the Republic’s figure out what problems and challenges they have to surmount. Don’t provide them with useful critigue, don’t give them signs that point them to the exit from the wilderness, don’t provide them with anything that could be considered good advice. There are many smart Republic’s out there and those folks are working diligently to figure out the who, what, why, where and how of the defeats in the last two election cycles. Let them be the one’s to face that challenge.

What we NEED to be doing is to start now in planning, fund-raising, candidate recruitment and building on the constituencies that help us win. Continue getting voters registered and organizing so that we’re ready in 2, 4, 6 years. In 2010 the Republic’s are again going to have to defend more seats in the Senate than Democrats and this is an opportunity that we dare not squander. We need to work and assume nothing. So I ask of you, please continue with the great work but let’s work to make our nation safer, stronger and fiscally sound once again. Let’s make sure that we’re tending our own and leave the Republic’s to try and make their own problems dissolve.

By Goldie

November 19, 2008 8:56 AM | Link to this

The Repug Party needs to extricate itself from the religious extremists once and for all — the fragile coalition of conservatives and the Religious Wrong formed during the Ray-gun era has collapsed. The Party is no longer viewed as offering any real-world solutions to the problems we face today. They don’t even offer economic fiscal responsibility anymore, as they once did — they only offer social “values” and divisiveness as a way to promote their narrow religious ideology…

By Morningstar

November 19, 2008 8:57 AM | Link to this

By Mrs. Godzilla November 19, 2008 7:32 AM Now get out there and vote early for Jim Martin. Let’s make hime #60.

IMHO, Chambliss will carry rural Georgia. They are educated by the likes of Rush Limbaugh and Faux news. Let’s hope the Atlanta area and all surrounding metro counties get out and vote.

By Ray

November 19, 2008 8:58 AM | Link to this

Liz,

We might remind you that the framers of the Constitution referred to an association with their God on a regular basis. Also those that wrote the Declaration and the Bill of Rights. The Deists were not Christians in the Biblical sense but had a strong association with their God and felt that a lot of solace could be gained in having a strong relationship with something more important than themselves. It seems to have worked out pretty well. Might also remind you that on 20 Jan, the Annointed One will swear to protect and defend this fine document against all enemies, both foreign and domestic. He will swear to do this with his hand on a Christian Bible.

By lovelyliz

November 19, 2008 8:59 AM | Link to this

There are a lot more fiscal and real political conservatives out there than there are evangelical ne-cons. The GOP is going to have to decide who they want to run thing and who they are willing to risk alienating.

By Mrs. Godzilla

November 19, 2008 9:01 AM | Link to this

Paul

My bad….They are not damn liberal companies….the are part of the Republican Culture of Corprate Welfare and Entitlement!

Mea Culpa, Mea Maxina Culpa!

:0)

By GayGrayGeek

November 19, 2008 9:03 AM | Link to this

Ray - I thought that, according to you wingnuts, that Obama was Muslim - well, except when he attended Wright’s EEEEEEE-VULLLLL church?

By "The Corporal"

November 19, 2008 9:07 AM | Link to this

Trouble in Paradise

CAIRO,Egypt (AP) - Al-Qaida No. 2 Ayman al-Zawahri insulted Barack Obama in the terror group’s first reaction to his election, calling him a demeaning racial term implying that the president-elect is a black American who does the bidding of whites.

Can you blieve those mean old terrorists would be so racially insensitive. I think they need to go to cultural/diversity awareness training.

By Davo

November 19, 2008 9:09 AM | Link to this

Republicans are stuck with the christianists…they can’t afford to jettison what amounts to their base because that’s all they got now. It’s a shame really that they put it all on people who are so stupid that they can’t figure out if Obama is a militant urban christian or a muslim. They can’t run on conservatism because they behave worse than liberals of 20 yrs ago. Maybe in 8 years there will be a return to a 2 party system. For now lets just dabble in socialism while the rest of the world beats us at our own game.

By tcoach

November 19, 2008 9:14 AM | Link to this

GayGreek, You do raise a good point, why is it radical christianity when the republicans speak of God, or religion. But it is not radical what was said by Rev. Wright?

By Mrs. Godzilla

November 19, 2008 9:15 AM | Link to this

Yep, the founders liked GOD.

So do I! She’s great.

But a little busy for involvement in day to day American politics.

By DB, Gwinnettian

November 19, 2008 9:15 AM | Link to this

While I haven’t had much interest in either side’s navel gazing about the losing party barely two weeks out from the last election, I have to admit that Ms. Parker’s hit upon a demographic truth in her penultimate paragraph, to wit: “The young will get older, of course. Most eventually will marry, and some will become their parents. But nonwhites won’t get whiter. And the nonreligious won’t get religion through external conversion. It doesn’t work that way.”

I offer this paragraph to Ray and others in this thread who seem to think that the 47% a ticket perceived to be as ideologically right-wing as was McCain/Palin drew in Nov. 2008 could attract more voters in 2012. I don’t think it can; I think this loss was a demographic inevitability that many saw coming.

There’s a lot of initial hysteria associated with change and that accounts for some of what we read in comments threads. But when the dust settles, I suspect we’ll see subtle outreach efforts from the GOP that will quietly enrage the Dobsons and Robertsons of this world.

How the Dobsons and Robertsons react should prove interesting. (To me, it will be amusing, I imagine, so long as nobody winds up getting hurt as a result.)

By leni

November 19, 2008 9:20 AM | Link to this

Someone is blaming Maxine now? What is she(maxina culpa) culpable of? Saw the Leonard Pitts column on DC public schools. Was amazed and gratified by his praise of Michelle Rhee. Hope the Big O shares his view.

By Morningstar

November 19, 2008 9:21 AM | Link to this

By Ray November 19, 2008 8:58 AM

Ray, perhaps I’ve missed something as I breezed through the comments this morning, I’ve noted nothing about eradicating religion from our lives.

Most of us, I believe, have strong religious convictions, including President-Elect Obama, who will swear to protect and defend with his hand on a Christian Bible.

What we don’t need is a retreat to burning so called ‘witches’ at the stake, because someone doesn’t agree with their religious beliefs. We don’t need sanctimoneous attitudes labeling those who don’t agree with us as infidels and unpatriotic among other things.

By lovelyliz November 19, 2008 8:59 AM There are a lot more fiscal and real political conservatives out there than there are evangelical ne-cons

You betcha. Wonder what Eisenhower would say about these crazies.

By Mrs. Godzilla

November 19, 2008 9:21 AM | Link to this

What do y’all think of the indictment of Cheney and Gonzales by a south Texas court?

I don’t think it will go to far….but I sure like the idea.

By Citizen of the World

November 19, 2008 9:22 AM | Link to this

The Republican Party has pretended to be the party of “God and good,” so people wouldn’t notice that they were actually the party of “can’t govern worth a crap.”

And the reason they can’t govern worth a crap is because government is supposed to promote the common good and protect the common man, not protect the interests of the rich and powerful. They are not godlike and benevolent, as the Ayn Rand myth would have it, and they need to be watched by the government, not given free rein (or reign? maybe both!) over our lives, our environment, our health, our wealth, etc.

At any rate, if Republicans would cease their divisive rhetoric and govern responsibly, I would look at who I thought was the better man come election time, not necessarily the party platform, because I know there must be compromise and conciliation — meeting in the middle. But as it is now, I and many other Americans are too turned off by the appeals to fear, prejudice and religious fervor that characterizes the Republican Party. That, as history has shown, can never lead to “God or good.”

By "The Corporal"

November 19, 2008 9:26 AM | Link to this

To Mrs. G.

He will return to reign forever and ever as King not queen.

Does that bother you ?

By getalife

November 19, 2008 9:27 AM | Link to this

Finally, somebody had the guts to admit the wingnut hatred. There is too much hate in religion and these kooks should be marginalized out of politics.

Keep your religion out of my politics.

Amen.

By Mrs. Godzilla

November 19, 2008 9:28 AM | Link to this

Nope Corporal, I was made in the image and likeness of God….

she’s not bad for 52 mega-gaziillion years old.

does that bother you?

By gadem

November 19, 2008 9:28 AM | Link to this

Well, I do agree that America needs a new party…I personally am torn. I wish there was a party with the morals of the Republican Party (i.e ban abortion and gay marriage) and the social consciousness of the Democratic Party (i.e helping the less fortunate and supporting the middle class) I honestly feel like I do not have a voice in the political arena…maybe I am the only one, but I think not. Maybe now is the time…

By "The Corporal"

November 19, 2008 9:29 AM | Link to this

To Jay

THEN WHY don’t you just let us die on the vine?

Isn’t that tactically the best plan so you will never have to face us again? Isn’t that what you want?

No, instead you want us to become just like you because you fear this nation’s return to common sense, morality and a strong America and too many of us out here will assure that! And that return to our conservative roots will happen because you know it is just one super economic, moral, and/or terrorist crisis away. When one or more of those happen, the youth vote will coming running back to Mom & Dad and the demograhphic vote will see the light.

We’ll see, won’t we.

By DB, Gwinnettian

November 19, 2008 9:31 AM | Link to this

Paul, you wrote of the new AK senator: “Buck the orthodoxy and get excommunicated.” From what I’ve seen of your contributions you’re usually more astute than this.

First off, Joe Lieberman was hardly excommunicated; he lost a minor assignment and kept the plum ones. I’m sure Joe saw the outcome as a victory.

Secondly, there’s nothing in the views being expressed by this newest senator that would be problematic for what you call the “orthodoxy,” whatever that might be perceived to be. It’s pretty well-trod earth for Democratic Senators (and Governors, and Representatives) from non-urbanized parts of the US.

In short, Joe didn’t get in trouble for holding contrarian views. He got in trouble for actively campaigning for the opposition; he emerged with very little incentive to do otherwise should the urge strike him again in 2010 or 2012.

By "The Corporal"

November 19, 2008 9:38 AM | Link to this

To Mrs. G

HA!

Well now then - since we look so different by your reasonng it can’t be both of us can it?

By the way, that likeness means a triune being as God is (Father, Son and Spirit) and as man was made (body, soul and spirit) as opposed to animals (body and spirit) or plants (body).

That was free. No charge.

By GayGrayGeek

November 19, 2008 9:42 AM | Link to this

tcoach - As usualy, you miss the point. Y’all wingnuts need to decide which Devil you perceive Obama to be - is he Muslim, or is he a member of an EEEEEEE-VULLLLL Christian church?

It’s one or the other. Y’all can either have your cake, or eat it, and you wingnuts need to decide which it’s going to be.

By Mrs. Godzilla

November 19, 2008 9:45 AM | Link to this

corporal

Trust me the BVM’s and the SoJ’s of my youth drilled that all into me.

You ask, “Well now then - since we look so different by your reasonng it can’t be both of us can it?”

Of course it can be both. We are talkin GOD here….one all powerful babe!

By Goldie

November 19, 2008 9:51 AM | Link to this

Mrs. G and getalife — I have a co-worker with a bumper sticker that says it all:

“Don’t pray in my school, and I won’t think in your church!”

I like that one.

By DB, Gwinnettian

November 19, 2008 9:51 AM | Link to this

Corporal, not to get too deep, but…

by my reckoning our Supreme Being has countless other planets brimming with intelligent life on any number of time-space dimensional planes to consider at any given time (and space).

You really think God troubles itself terribly with what kind of reproductive plumbing He/She/It might choose to replicate when another up-close-and-personal earthly visit is in the works?

I think the movie Dogma had it right; God’s next rock-star-popular emissary’s as likely to look like Alanis Morrisette as (say) Tab Hunter.

By Mrs. Godzilla

November 19, 2008 9:56 AM | Link to this

HEY ANDY @ 6:52

ALSO FROM THE WSJ:

It is possible, I suppose, that the pundits are right and the public didn’t really mean it when it elected a liberal Democrat president and gave Democrats even larger majorities in both houses of Congress. Maybe America really wants the same nice, reassuring, centrist thing as always. But it is also possible that, for once, the public weighed the big issues and gave a clear verdict on the great economic questions of the last few decades. It is likely that we really do want universal health care and some measure of wealth-spreading, and even would like to see it become easier to organize a union in the workplace, however misguided such ideas may seem to the nation’s institutions of higher carping.

Cool.

By Mrs. Godzilla

November 19, 2008 9:57 AM | Link to this

Morning Goldie….

Coming to our next Order of Obama meeting?

By Truthman

November 19, 2008 9:59 AM | Link to this

Sung to the tune of “Happy Birthday”

“You’re such a stupid moron/you make people want to punch you/the Supreme Being is super-gay/punch, punch, punch, punch, wedgie!!!

By Goldie

November 19, 2008 10:17 AM | Link to this

Mrs. G — I’m there, ready to do our “terrorist fist-jab” again!

By NRB

November 19, 2008 10:21 AM | Link to this

I never really understood why Democrats were against God so much until recently.

Christianity, like it or not, was a building block of our country. Christianity is entwined in our ideals, constitution, and morals. In other words, to be truly American is to be a christian.

No wonder you liberal freaks are against religion so much. If you topple religion, you topple the country.

Obama might not be a literal anti-christ, but he’s the closest thing you guys have ever had and you’re all giddy at the prospects.

Sick.

By Goldie

November 19, 2008 10:21 AM | Link to this

you know it is just one super economic, moral, and/or terrorist crisis away.

Corporal @ 9:38 — you mean like what America’s already been dealing with for 8 years now?

By Mrs. Godzilla

November 19, 2008 10:21 AM | Link to this

Goldie

Did you see Fox isn’t renewing the contract on the “terrorist fist jab chick”….

By RB from Gwinnett

November 19, 2008 10:22 AM | Link to this

Corporal,

The objective of Jay and the Democratic party is to remove any and all Christian influence from society as a whole, not just politics. They attack it over and over everywhere it makes them face their sin and they would be thrilled if we would all just hide in our churches and never mention God outside it’s walls.

The part they don’t get is that the conviction of their sin is from the Holy Spirit and not from their neighborhood church. They haven’t figured out yet that pushing the nativity scene off the lawn doesn’t make the feeling of guilt from sin going away. Yet they continue to try. In vain.

I see Al Queada had some choice things to say about Obama. I thought you socialists said all the world loved him and he would restore our honorable position in the world? What happened? At the end of the day, it would appear our muslim enemy still wants us all dead. Gee, who coulda guessed that?!!!

By Joey

November 19, 2008 10:28 AM | Link to this

I go to church once, sometimes twice, a year. It is always because one of my brothers or a nephew is the guest speaker/preacher or my sister’s kids are the guest singers.

That does not mean that I think Church and Churchgoers are bad people or bad for the US. Sure there are sufficient number of “Christians” who are hypocrites. Same with Jews, Muslims, etc. However, when dealing with a person of unknown integrity, if the choice is between an activist Christian or an activist non-Christian, I will choose the Christian.

Voting??? In my memory it has never come up. But if it did …. probably same decision.

By tcoach

November 19, 2008 10:30 AM | Link to this

GayGreek, Why get defensive? Can yo not defend your position?

I have never once said Obama was Muslim. So you can take your carbon copy response and use on others who it may impress or intimidate. So it would show your intelect if you would actually answer the question instead of insult the questioneer. It would also do you good to not group all of those who do not agree with you in the same catagory.

I will ask again, what is it about the “right wing radical christians” that makes their speech radical but what was said by Rev. Wright was not radical, and therefore should be overlooked?

I am confused as to how when one group does it, you consider it radical. While if a group who agrees politically with you is not radical.

Is it hypocracy or do you have validity to support your argument. Or you could go the tried and true method of spout lies about the person asking the question, and then hope everyone else who sees it is just not smart enough to figure out your lack of an argument.

I also must have missed the point because I am not sure of the point you were making. Regardless what say you is Rev. Wright radical and if not then why call conservative religion radical?

By @@

November 19, 2008 10:30 AM | Link to this

jay, you’re failing to see the obvious here — you bein’ a man and all but IT’S A CAT FIGHT. Women don’t deal well with rejection. Not only do they get MAD, they get EVEN.

Ms. Mrs. Miss Parker, a self-proclaimed Christian in her own rite would have us throw God under the bus in the interest of politics!!?!!

Conceal “His light” under a basket!!?!!

You and Ms. Mrs. Miss Parker fail to acknowledge what prompted the evangelical movement within the Republican Party. It was the “progressive move” to eliminate ANYTHING or ANYONE who dared to speak in opposition to the moral free-for-all they were in pursuit of — what Bill O’Reilly calls the culture wars.

Did not the majority of California’s voters make clear their desires to protect the definition of marriage as the traditional one man/one woman? Did not California’s voters provide support for same-sex couples with the passing of domestic partner laws?

What has the gay community offered in return for that compromise?

Violent protests against The Church.

Having said that…..my husband and I have always disagreed on how the religious right should pursue their objective. He goes for the in-your-face approach while I’ve always opted for the more subtle.

Upon witnessing the backlash from the gay community, he now has the privilege of looking my way and saying “‘Ya see what subtle gets ‘ya?”

I give up! He’s right.

I hate it when that happens!

By Mrs. Godzilla

November 19, 2008 10:32 AM | Link to this

Not much is funnier than the 23% stating definitively what OUR agenda is.

Hell, they can’t even figure out their own!

(It’s still a matter of they say A and B it is!)

By Troll Patrol

November 19, 2008 10:35 AM | Link to this

NRB,

You’re showing your ignorance once again. The vast majority of Democrat’s aren’t opposed to religion, the practice of religion or the right of anyone in America to religious freedoms. What the vast majority of Democrat’s are opposed to is having YOUR religion in OUR government. We don’t want you to legislate from the pulpit, we don’t want to have the Christian moral equivalent of Sharia law in this country.

Your statement - “Obama might not be a literal anti-christ, but he’s the closest thing you guys have ever had” - betrays your position as a bible thumping, flat earth, man walking with the dinosaurs, the earth is 6000 years old practitioner of your religion. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

My objection and that of millions of other American’s is that you want to push that agenda on those of us that don’t believe the same as you. We WANT stem cell research, we WANT children to have an education that’s based upon science, we WANT women to have privacy from government intrusion. The very fact that you and yours so vigorously oppose those ideas makes you not only dangerous but anti-Christ(ian).

By @@

November 19, 2008 10:37 AM | Link to this

Oh! and here’s a little added bonus. It did not go without notice by me that “The Terrorist, Zawahiri” and the leftists on these blogs share a common language when referring to successful African Americans.

House n*.

Talk about radical associates!!!!

By mike hussein smith

November 19, 2008 10:42 AM | Link to this

So, truthman, why didn’t you write the lyrics to fit “Happy Birthday”?

By GayGrayGeek

November 19, 2008 10:42 AM | Link to this

tcoach - I asked first. Answer my query, please. In typical wingnut fashion, you ignore the questions posed to you and immediately go on the attack.

Again: is Obama Muslim, or is he a member of an EEEEEEE-VULLLLL Christian church? It’s one or the other. Y’all can either have your cake, or eat it, but you wingnuts need to decide which it’s going to be.

By Goldie

November 19, 2008 10:45 AM | Link to this

I never really understood why Democrats were against God so much until recently.

NRB @ 10:21 — oh, now that’s just hilarious.

Democrats that I know are not “against God so much”, but are instead against you cramming your interpretation of Biblical myths and superstitions down our throats in the name of “government”… maybe you only understand the Taliban’s method of governing???

By Copyleft

November 19, 2008 10:46 AM | Link to this

This dates back to the resurgent conservative movement of the late 70s, early 80s. That was when the ideological, small-government conservatives hatched their plan to appeal to the “social conservative” populace, through wedge issues like gays and abortion.

The Republican Party has been beating that drum ever since: coded racism, gay-marriage, prayer in schools, the Ten Commandments—and always, especially always, abortion. Over and over, they sounded the call, and the social-conservative sheep followed them into the voting booths, reliably voting Republican over and over again, hoping that THIS time we’d finally get that gay-bashing, anti-choice theocracy they’ve been hoping for.

But something has changed in recent years. The Republican Party leadership made all the right noises, but they still didn’t win… and they’re trying to figure out why.

Some possibilities:

But regardless of the explanation, the Republican Party has some tough decisions to make. Here’s hoping they make the right one, for them AND for the country—kicking the “god and gays” crowd to the curb where they belong.

By Truthman

November 19, 2008 10:46 AM | Link to this

@@: Quoting Bill-O the Clown doesn’t exactly add any credence to your skewed argument!

Bill-O is exhibit 1 in the culture wars: “I’m Bill-O the Clown and what I say is irrefutable because I KNOW what my christian god wants for “My America!” (Of course, Bill-O’s god is better than those slimy Jew or Muslim deities).

By RW-(the original)

November 19, 2008 10:48 AM | Link to this

A Republican self-help piece? Whoda thunk it???

Jay B., I can see a “news” person being constrained by whatever was happening that day, that is if those sorts of people existed anymore, but a columnist should have just a little creativity.

On another note, Kathleen Parker sure seems to be enjoying her meteoric rise amongst the Washington cocktail party elite and all she had to do was sell out her supposed beliefs and play the victim card every few days.

By reebok

November 19, 2008 10:53 AM | Link to this

get to the polls, everybody and vote against saxby chambliss!!!

By Copyleft

November 19, 2008 10:53 AM | Link to this

RW: If you’ll check with Dusty, I think you’ll find that breaking from your party is called “speaking the truth and putting country above blind, partisan loyalty,” not selling out your beliefs.

Unless, of course, there’s a double standard at work…? Nahh, that can’t be it.

By tcoach

November 19, 2008 10:55 AM | Link to this

GayGreek,

I posted this at 10:30

“I have never once said Obama was Muslim. So you can take your carbon copy response and use on others who it may impress or intimidate.”

Then you post this at 10:42 tcoach - I asked first. Answer my query, please. In typical wingnut fashion, you ignore the questions posed to you and immediately go on the attack.

Again: is Obama Muslim, or is he a member of an EEEEEEE-VULLLLL Christian church? It’s one or the other. Y’all can either have your cake, or eat it, but you wingnuts need to decide which it’s going to be.”

Do you even read the other post or are you so judgmental that you assume you know what others post without reading it?

Now have you been able to manifest an answer yet to my question?

“

By getalife

November 19, 2008 11:05 AM | Link to this

Yeah right,

God and his son members of the greedy corporate party is a match not made in heaven

Get real wingnuts. There is no good in the corporate party. Just hate and evil doers. Sins.

Rethink your party and repent.

By RB from Gwinnett

November 19, 2008 11:07 AM | Link to this

tcoach, you aren’t going to get an answer, only more name calling and diversions. My guess will be the next post will be critical of you for something related to the “eeeeeeevulllll Christian church” since you have dispelled the muslim option. You will never get an answer to your questions, however. Unless, of course, moveon.org posts an answer they can copy and paste for you (no thinking required).

By Bosch

November 19, 2008 11:08 AM | Link to this

Mrs. G. and Goldie,

What shall I bring to the meeting?

Maybe we need to invite RB to the meeting so he can tell us what our agenda is.

We can blindfold him until he gets to the secret location.

RB,

Seriously, what makes you believe that the Democratic Party is trying to eradicate religion from our society? Based on what? Pray tell.

We are tired of the fundamentalists telling us what is right and wrong - according to all things them - and trying to push their morals in our faces and change our laws based on what they believe to be true, while alienating and discriminating against those who don’t believe the same as they do.

By the way, have I ever told you I was married to a fantastic super-Christian babe who holds a Masters in Theology from a very well respected seminary here in the South, who, by the way, would totally disagree with your assessment, as do I?

If anything we are trying to put Christian values of tolerance and acceptance BACK INTO our society.

By Republicans Killed America

November 19, 2008 11:20 AM | Link to this

Since the end of times is coming, we could just wait for that portion of the Republican base to disappear and see who’s left to deal with.

By Mrs. Godzilla

November 19, 2008 11:22 AM | Link to this

Bosch….

Some of that Gitmo Guacamole with “tort(ure)tilla chips”?

By findog

November 19, 2008 11:24 AM | Link to this

GHT @6:51

Astute observation; so unless the local GOP can get Gay Marriage or some other religious hate message on the ballot, or they nominate a pastor like Huck, they will continue to lose to democrats because of a lack of mobilization from the pulpit?

By Abomi Nation

November 19, 2008 11:26 AM | Link to this

What if Obama were to use the Jefferson Bible to be sworn in with? Would that be “Christian” enough? Thomas Jefferson made his own Bible, reduced it to 17 chapters.

Some of you talk about our forefathers like they were sainted. What would happen in modern USA if a President decided to use a homemade Bible?

What an uproar that would cause!

How about it? Can Obama use a homemade Bible?

Or would that be an ABOMINATION?

By RB from Gwinnett

November 19, 2008 11:27 AM | Link to this

Bosch,

“We are tired of the fundamentalists telling us what is right and wrong - according to all things them - and trying to push their morals in our faces and change our laws based on what they believe to be true, while alienating and discriminating against those who don’t believe the same as they do.”

Isn’t that EXACTLY what you liberals are trying to do? Tell us what’s right and wrong based on YOUR opinions. Are you so blind you can only see one side of issues? <—— Rhetorical question for those who know you.

You don’t want TOLERANCE, Bosch, you want Christians to stop calling sin what it is, ignore it, and act like it’s ok. That is not tolerance, Bosch, it’s squelching opposing opinion. And it is exactly what the left wants. They don’t just want religion out of politics, they don’t want any religious opionion spread anywhere someone “might be offended”.

As I posted above, you might be able to keep Christians from telling you what’s right and wrong, but you will never keep the Holy Spirit from convicting you of your sin.

BTW, not impressed with any theology degree from any seminary who believes as you do there is no heaven or hell. There is no Christian basis for that, Bosch, and NO respectable seminary would teach that. Might as well get a degree from a Cracker Jack box.

By Mrs. Godzilla

November 19, 2008 11:30 AM | Link to this

BTW

If you are going to the Jim Martin/Bill Clinton Rally today it has been moved outside…..more turn out than expected!

Dress Warm!

By Bosch

November 19, 2008 11:38 AM | Link to this

RB,

I call a spade a spade, and respectfully disagree.

I know you aren’t impressed with degrees, not trying to impress you with education, just letting you know that some actual Christians, who’ve studied actual Christian theology, and the Bible inside and out believe differently than you do. And yes, we are still Christians. Sorry if you don’t like it.

“Isn’t that EXACTLY what you liberals are trying to do? Tell us what’s right and wrong based on YOUR opinions.”

No. Most “liberals” like me don’t tell anyone what to believe - that’s up to the individual themselves to figure out.

I do not like those who try to alter the laws of governance based on what one group of people think is best or right for everyone. It’s un-American.

The Holy Spirit as I believe knows I’m human, therefore sins quite a lot, and forgives me of my transgressions, and helps me as an individual find my path towards self-actualization and step over the bumps that get in the way.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Mrs. G.,

I will be happy to bring my Guantanamo Guacamole and I’ll make the tor(ture)tilla chips from scratch!

By DB, Gwinnettian

November 19, 2008 11:42 AM | Link to this

Actually, RB, what most of us to the left of you are really sick of is your side claiming to know what Christians believe, monolithically—as if there were one American Christian position on (say) evolution, gay marriage, or legalized abortion.

By Bosch

November 19, 2008 11:44 AM | Link to this

DB, Gwinnettian,

Amen.

By Truthman

November 19, 2008 11:46 AM | Link to this

Snippet from an article by the Southern Poverty Law Center about the rise in hate crimes before and after the election of PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA.

Something about the “anti-christ” comment reminds me of something said earlier today on this very blog:

“For white supremacists, Obama — who is also reportedly preparing to appoint the country’s first ever African-American attorney general, Eric Holder — represented the doomsday scenario espoused by their ideology, Levin said.

“To them Barack Obama is nothing less than the anti-Christ. He not only represents policies that are eroding the white culture and bloodline of the United States; he is a walking, talking symbol of what they would call the ‘mongrelization’ that has occurred,” he said.

“Barack Obama is a perfect storm that incites a nerve within the hardcore racist movement in the United States.”

By Bruce becker

November 19, 2008 11:50 AM | Link to this

The new party is the GREEN party.

The GOP is out of touch on economics.

VOTE Martin and end the filibuster talk and let’s try something new.

Are you tired of the same-old failed policies? Then dump Chambliss now, and vote Martin. Chambliss’s big plan is to DO-NOTHING. The Do-Nothing party was in power, 135 years ago.

By Truthman

November 19, 2008 11:52 AM | Link to this

Attached is the link to the “Hate Crimes on Rise” story.

http://rawstory.com/news/afp/HatecrimessurgeinUSafterObama_11192008.html

As a human being whose skin happens to be of a light olive/reddish color, I say: “Grow up white supremists! I know you won’t, but your children and grandchildren are forging the hammers that will put the last nails in the coffin of American racism! Of that, you can be assured!!”

By Bruce becker

November 19, 2008 11:54 AM | Link to this

some actual Christians, who’ve studied actual Christian theology, and the Bible inside and out believe differently than you do. And yes, we are still Christians.

cool. Check this out www.pocm.info

And read, the LOST GOSPEL, THE BOOK OF Q, by the Southern Baptist Burton Mack. the timeline of revisions to the N.T. since 50 AD. interesting read.

By Soixante huitard

November 19, 2008 11:56 AM | Link to this

You don’t want TOLERANCE, Bosch, you want Christians to stop calling sin what it is, ignore it, and act like it’s ok.

Not so, RB. ‘Sin’ is a religious category and essentially has no place in politics.

Remember what Jefferson said: “It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.”

Well, he may or may not have been right (and I suspect he was partly wrong), but what you definitely CAN’T do is simply and uncritically foist religious categories onto public discussion.

And the fact is — the Republican party has been led by a brand of mostly Southern evangelicism that is based not on critically re-examining Jefferson’s principle of secularism, but in rejecting it outright. And that oversimplistic approach is rightly being rejected.

By Ray

November 19, 2008 11:57 AM | Link to this

Abomi Nation,

None of our founding fathers were Christians…. they were deists. Deists do not believe in the Trinity nor do they believe that Christ was divine. They left England to establish their own church, devoid of Jesus and the Trinity. That changed about 1800 when Christians became more popular and prevalent in our government and in positions of leadership. Jefferson was a true deist and no doubt removed all references to Jesus Christ and the Trinity in his ” condensation” version of the Bible, just as other deists of his time did. Probably worked out to about 17 chapters. The new Testament was not their most favorite book.

By DB, Gwinnettian

November 19, 2008 12:03 PM | Link to this

For those who believe that identifying as “Christian” automatically equates to “believes in Hell.”

By Bosch

November 19, 2008 12:06 PM | Link to this

Ray,

George Washington, as most of the American presidents since him, was/were Church of England or as we know call them Episcopalian.

That means Christian.

Bruce becker,

“And read, the LOST GOSPEL, THE BOOK OF Q”

Done. Check.

By "The Corporal"

November 19, 2008 12:08 PM | Link to this

DB, Gwinnettian

Then why did He choose to come here?

“and He was circumcised on the eight day after the manner of the Jews…..”

“and that same Jesus ye see leaving will return again ……”

By Bosch

November 19, 2008 12:17 PM | Link to this

Woops, mistake in my 12:06,

Most of the U.S. Presidents have not been Episcopalian.

But if this were a game and we kept score according to how many U.S. Presidents were Episcopalian, my team would be winning.

And as a side note, a disclaimer, my views of Christianity and all things Christian do not reflect the views of the Episcopal Church of the United States of American - nor any of it’s affiliates.

Continue with regularly schedules broadcasting.

By Ray

November 19, 2008 12:18 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

Franklin, Madison, Jefferson, Paine, Adams, Ethan Allen, James Monroe and yes, Washington…. all deists, not Christians.

Ref: The Christian Nation Myth Farrell Till

By Republicans Killed America

November 19, 2008 12:20 PM | Link to this

The Republican party needs to start collecting their own tithe from their followers and then they will be financially set until the end of times and they can leave the rest of us alone.

By RW-(the original)

November 19, 2008 12:21 PM | Link to this

In hopey changey news we have Tom Daschle as the Secretary of Health and Human services.

Back to the Future!

By KH

November 19, 2008 12:21 PM | Link to this

The religious right needs to form their own party, but they can’t call it The Party of God, — that name has already been taken by Hezbollah.

To Citizen of the World @ 9:22 — I agree with your assessment of Ayn Rand’s Atlas Shrugged. It see it as a teenage fantasy, kind of like Carrie.

By tcoach

November 19, 2008 12:21 PM | Link to this

DB @11:42

I agree, but don’t you think ALL of us especially with this election season, tended to group people into categories based on how they felt on a particular issue?

By DB, Gwinnettian

November 19, 2008 12:24 PM | Link to this

Corporal, that’s a good question ye asketh @ 12.08.

Let’s check the contemporary historical accounts of the man and see what He had to say about His mission…

oh, wait.

By Abomi Nation

November 19, 2008 12:26 PM | Link to this

Ray, the Jeferson Bible is only 46 pages and talks mainly about Jesus minus the angels and miracles.

Can you imagine the outrage this would create in today’s US? A persons religion and personal beliefs must have been much more respected in the early days of our nation.

Conservative Christian Republicans would totally freak. How did we create such a great country with a bunch of atheists and deists? Who was looking over the nation when people like Jefferson were cut-and-pasting their Bibles? Satan?

The truth is Jefferson and Washington could not be elected President today. Two of our greatest Presidents were not Christian enough.

Now put your hand on your 46 page Bible and repeat after me………

By "The Corporal"

November 19, 2008 12:30 PM | Link to this

DB, Gwinnettian

A question thou shalt have to answer one day ………..

God bless ……….

By "The Corporal"

November 19, 2008 12:33 PM | Link to this

To Obami Nation

You may or may not be interested to know that all of my posts regarding gays in the military were pulled from yesterday’s blog ….. but yours weren’t. I think you remember our light hearted exchange.

The real issue here is the selective supression of free speech by the AJC.

By AJC/DNC Management

November 19, 2008 12:38 PM | Link to this

By Mrs. Godzilla November 19, 2008 9:56 AM HEY ANDY @ 6:52

Duhzilla: Thanks for hooking me up with an article that I’ve already read this morning, you’re so useful, allow me to share a little bit of it that I guess you didn’t want to hear:

And hear the lamentations of the billionaires. “This is the demise of a civilization,” moaned Bernie Marcus, cofounder and former CEO of The Home Depot, during an Oct. 17 conference call about card check. “This is how a civilization disappears. I’m sitting here as an elder statesman, and I’m watching this happen, and I don’t believe it.”

Doesn’t sound to me like Homeboy is down with the coming socialism.

By Fly_on_the_Wall

November 19, 2008 12:41 PM | Link to this

RB,

I think the point you are missing is that we’re not trying to push our ‘views’ of Christianity on you or anyone else. We just don’t want YOUR views pushed on us or anyone else. We do not want ANYONE pushing their views of religion be it Christian, Muslim, Jewish, etc. on anyone or into government. To me it comes down to that famous phrase I hear from evangelicals all the time - “you must have a PERSONAL relationship with God”. Well if that’s the case then please let me keep mine personal and you keep your personal I really don’t want to know what God says to you or tells you what to do as long as it isn’t something harmful to others. Ours is not to force a religious viewpoint (or at least allow for many viewpoints) while your’s seems to allow for only one viewpoint…until the Dobson’s or Robertson’s change their minds and then you’ll have a new viewpoint.

By AJC/DNC Management

November 19, 2008 12:44 PM | Link to this

Other than the racial slur, al Qaeda sounds just like Code Pinko:

“America has put on a new face, but its heart full of hate, mind drowning in greed, and spirit which spreads evil, murder, repression and despotism continue to be the same as always,” the deputy of al-Qaida chief Osama bin Laden said.

You got lied to too, eh?

By Mrs. Godzilla

November 19, 2008 12:47 PM | Link to this

Andy…..

Bernie Marcus?

Hell, he’s why I go to Lowes.

By GOP is gone

November 19, 2008 12:48 PM | Link to this

Wow, so all this time the self proclaimed Smiters were actually the Smitees because of their intolerance and vanity?

Sometimes I do believe in GOD

By Soixante huitard

November 19, 2008 12:50 PM | Link to this

You got lied to too, eh?

As a matter of fact, yes, we did get lied to.

By Bush, Cheney, et al, whose program consisted of the very things listed in this rant.

That’s what it’s referring to. It’s saying in effect, go ahead, elect a new face, but the blood is still on your hands for what you’ve done.

And of course in one sense it’s right - we can’t undo the Bush years. But that’s not the whole story either.

By Button Gwinnett

November 19, 2008 12:51 PM | Link to this

Sometimes I wish I had never signed the damn thing.

By "The Corporal"

November 19, 2008 12:52 PM | Link to this

To: Flyonthe_Wall

“Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.”

To All

Please keep in mind that any American commandos under an Obama administration sent to hide onboard cargo ships to kill pirates will have to advise them of their rights first.

By Truthman

November 19, 2008 12:52 PM | Link to this

AJC/CORPOREAL!!

WHATEVER!!…YOUR TYPE IS DYING ON THE VINE…AND NONE TO QUICKLY!

By Truthman

November 19, 2008 12:57 PM | Link to this

Is “Corporal” really Creflo Dollar…or, maybe, Rev. Ike?

By Mrs. Godzilla

November 19, 2008 12:58 PM | Link to this

TO ALL

Please keep in mind that any American commandos under an Obama administration will do whatever is BY THE LAWS AND CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

Cool, eh?

By Mrs. Godzilla

November 19, 2008 1:03 PM | Link to this

Who’s God’s on first?

What God’s on second?

I don’t know’s God’s on third!

I think God still laughs at Abbot and Costello.

By @@

November 19, 2008 1:23 PM | Link to this

*I KNOW what my christian god wants for “My America!” (Of course, Bill-O’s god is better than those slimy Jew or Muslim deities).

Oh puhleeze Truthman.

Bill O’Reilly knows on which God America’s principles were founded. Our Constituion was also founded on those same principles and provides the freedom to practice ALL religions.

If you wanna talk about sliming Jews, I would suggest you look leftward. William Ayers, Reverend Wright, Ward Churchill — even some of the left-wing posters here.

By Leni

November 19, 2008 1:27 PM | Link to this

Love The Big O’s changeyness so far. Jay should label his blog “the obsessed.”

By "The Corporal"

November 19, 2008 1:27 PM | Link to this

To Mrs. G.

Overseas? I didn’t advise the NVA of their rights!

Unfortunately, that kind of knucklehead philosophy costs innocent Americans their lives ………

By Mrs. Godzilla

November 19, 2008 1:29 PM | Link to this

Personally, I would no more trust Bill O’Reilly’s advice on God stuff, than I would trust Jim Jones recipe for kool aid.

By Mrs. Godzilla

November 19, 2008 1:34 PM | Link to this

Corporal

What does the law require?

By Mrs. Godzilla

November 19, 2008 1:35 PM | Link to this

corporal

DO you advocate for Americans overseas to break the law or follow the law?

By Truthman

November 19, 2008 1:43 PM | Link to this

To @@…laughable…in fact…snicker…guffaw!

By RB from Gwinnett

November 19, 2008 1:45 PM | Link to this

fly on the wall

“as long as it isn’t something harmful to others.”

Please explain how an abortion is NOT harmful to the child.

By Ray

November 19, 2008 1:58 PM | Link to this

GOP,

Intolerance and vanity. You really hate them, don’t you? What is it about them that congers up this kind of hate in all of you libs? I am most glad you are not a “smiter”. Are they that much of a threat to what you believe, whatever that might be? They can believe that the earth is flat if they want to. That’s what is meant by religious tolerance…. Like or not, the 1st Amendment gives all of those evil Bible thumpers the right to believe anything they want. And it really ticks you off, doesn’t it? That those “uppity, know it all people” who look down their collective noses at someone so correct, so informed, so educated, so perfectly tolerant of all views, so elitist, so liberally correct. Thumpers don’t have a lock on intolerance, GOP, far from it. Just take a good look in the mirror…. you might not like what you see.

By Fly_on_the_Wall

November 19, 2008 2:08 PM | Link to this

RB,

Thanks for showing everyone exactly what we’re discussing here. I see this as a rights question and the MOTHER has THE RIGHT to decide since she is the one that is carrying the child. Not the government, not the church, no one but her (maybe her doctor too). That is something that SHE must live with and face with HER God (not yours). If you feel that she will be cast into the ‘lake of fire’ then so be it but that is HER decision not yours.

This is where I (and I think many others) disagree with you. If it is a sin then God will punish her so why are you trying to punish her here? Let God do his/her work and you just stay focused on doing what Christ said to do - LOVE ONE ANOTHER. I ain’t feeling the love from your side brother.

By "The Corporal"

November 19, 2008 2:26 PM | Link to this

To Mrs. G.

It very simple as I have been involved in both.

1) In law enforcement functions you follow the rule of law under the Constitution.

2) In war you follow Uniform Code of Military Justice under the Constitution and the Geneva Convention and that means you don’t have to inform the enemy of their rights before they are terminated with extreme prejudice.

But then most politicians and the people on these blogs have never been involved in either so they live in a pretend Monday morning quarterbacking world instead of the real world.

By Ray

November 19, 2008 2:26 PM | Link to this

Fly on the wall,

There are over 3700 abortions performed in this country every day…… 1.37M/yr. 64% of those performed are on non-married women. 56% of total abortions are performed on women under 25 years of age. Only 1% of all abortions performed in this country are for rape and incest. NINETY THREE % of abortions performed in the US are performed for “societal” reasons, that is the child is not wanted or it would be inconvenient for the child to be carried to term. That means that about 1.2M children are being sacrificed into the waste basket each year just because someone doesn’t want them. That’s the population of a major city in this country…… every year. Tell me that it is not being used as a birth control device…. go ahead, enlightenment me on the responsibility of the prospective mother not to spread her legs in the first place. Can’t go along with the sin thing…. it is just plain and pure irresponsibility on the part of the conjugal partners to not take better precautions. It’s too easy to murder your unborn children.

By SSDD

November 19, 2008 2:33 PM | Link to this

Ray, well put. There’s plenty of intolerance from both the GOP followers and the Dem followers. It has a been very nasty political season. I just wish people could let go of the blame game. This mess we’re in did not happen in the past 8 years or the past 30 for that matter this has been building for a long, long time and both the Democrats and the Republicans share equal blame.

We’ve had both administrations in and out of office and the house and senate, pretty much every 8 years it changes (except Carter). I would like for just once in my lifetime to actually see both parties come together to do something constructive that actually benefits this country and not some self-serving special interest group!!

I’m concerned about how this administration is going to deal with the unions. The unions have helped put Detroit out of business. They along with the idiots who don’t understand the need to build a better, more efficient car. The cars we all love to drive (non-American) are built here but they are not union shops, they can keep the prices down and put out a better quality product.

The days of Henry Ford’s type of labor have long past and so has the need for the unions. They’ve become just another special interest group.

I say let the auto companies file bankruptcy and restructure, same thing needs to happen with AIG and the banks. The strong will survive and we see a resurgence of small regional banks again.

I find it disgusting that these banks are lining up to use the money for acquisitions, not for remedying at risk mortgages, etc. I find it even more disgusting hearing Bob Nardelli ask for anything, he should cough up some of the money he stole from Home Depot employees on his way out the door.

By "The Corporal"

November 19, 2008 2:40 PM | Link to this

To Ray

Matt. 7:6

By RB from Gwinnett

November 19, 2008 2:41 PM | Link to this

Fly, you are right. It is a decision she will have to live with and be at the mercy of God for. However, it’s not a decision the child can LIVE with now is it? Who’s speaking for the child here? You? Don’t think so.

Please find some evidence where I or any of the conservative Christian bloggers here have EVER attempted to punish anyone who has had an abortion. We practice what the Bible teaches of loving the sinner. You can’t handle the hating the sin part and don’t appear capable of telling the difference.

You people are missing a very important point here. This issue is only one example (and not likely a good one because of the emotion it brings from both sides). You want to tell us abortion is ok because your opinion says it is, but if my side says it’s wrong because the Bible says it’s murder or it’s wrong, you want our opinion cast from the discussion because the Bible shouldn’t be a part of our government or laws. It doesn’t matter that’s it’s really nothing more than a differing opinion, you want it removed from the public forum for religious protection reasons.

And that, my liberal friends, is just one example of the lefts attempts to remove Christians from ANY influence in this society and cast them into silence.

By "The Corporal"

November 19, 2008 2:54 PM | Link to this

To RB

Careful. Jay doesn’t like religious principles eeking into his blog.

You see, he doesn’t understand that anyone’s opinion on anything is influenced by their religious perspective (good or bad) even if they claim to be an atheist (which is a religion of its own).

By Paul

November 19, 2008 2:57 PM | Link to this

DB, Gwinnettian 9:31

Sorry I wasn’t more specific. I wasn’t referring to Sen Lieberman’s wrist-slap. I was referring to the vitriol and effective expulsion from the Democratic Party for supporting the war in Iraq. This is what led to him running, and winning, as an Independent (I may say as an Independent Democrat). That’s what I meant by bucking the orthodoxy. I’ve kinda wondered if some of his campaigning and aligning with McCain (another politician who was disowned by some of the more extreme elements of his party) was a bit of an in-your-face payback.

But that was then, and this is now.

Goldie 9:51

I used to ask people “If my kids learn to pray in school, does that mean they’ll learn math and reading in church?”

NRB 10:21

[[I never really understood why Democrats were against God so much until recently.]]

You may want to listen to more of Pres-elect Obama’s statements. He references God a lot. Especially in a practical, day-to-day way.

Mrs. Godzilla 1:29

[[Personally, I would no more trust Bill O’Reilly’s advice on God stuff,]]

Actually, I kinda like his advice. Recently a guest began making some religious-requirement comments and BOR said, in effect “I don’t care about all that stuff. What you believe is up to you and doesn’t affect me. I’m Catholic.”

By Truthman

November 19, 2008 3:04 PM | Link to this

For all of you who really don’t want abortions:

Where are you when the poor kid’s mother needs affordable childcare so she can get job training to better her and her child’s life?

YOU AND YOUR MONEY ARE NOT THERE!

Where are you when the poor child’s father/mother leaves and the poor child has to move in with his equally-poor grandmother/aunt?

YOU AND YOUR MONEY ARE NOT THERE!

Where are you when the poor child needs formula or diapers or food or shelter?

YOU AND YOUR MONEY ARE NOT THERE!

You talk a great game until the baby’s head crowns, then it’s everybody for themselves (familiar refrain of the anti-abortionist: “If you couldn’t afford the kid, you shouldn’t of had the kid!”).

Ahhh…the family values of the biblical right (wrong?)!

By CommunistAJC

November 19, 2008 3:25 PM | Link to this

JAY BOOKMAN, Ok, so maybe all of us right wing nutjobs should just stay home on election day. Fine. But I need to ask you a few things.

• What is it about Christians that scare you?

• Why do both parties pretend to pander to Christians when election time comes around?

• Why do both sides speak in churches?

If Christians are so scary then by all means go pander to other people. Oh, also, if evangelicals left the GOP then what would be the difference between the two parties? Answer: NOTHING. The AJC does nothing but race bait, bash Christians and bash the GOP. Nothing else. Good luck in the unemployment line Jay.

By RB from Gwinnett

November 19, 2008 3:27 PM | Link to this

Truthman,

That’s a tired old argument my friend. What’s your message there? “the evil Christians won’t support this child if I have it so I’ll just kill it and it will be their fault because they wouldn’t give me money to raise the child in lavish luxury”??

In your silly little world, is ANYBODY ever responsible for their own actions? ANYBODY?

BTW, how much money have YOU given to support poor children in the last year? I do mean YOUR money, not other people’s money.

By Truthman

November 19, 2008 3:29 PM | Link to this

AJC/Andi: THEN DON’T READ IT OR BLOG ON ANY OF THE BLOGS. YOU’RE NOT GOING TO CHANGE JAY OR ME OR ANY OF THE OTHER LIBERALS WHO LIKE TO BE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY…NOT THE AISLE!!

STAY WITH YOUR FELLOW SCARE-DEE-CATS OVER AT WOOTEN’S BLOG.

I hope, truly, that you do not enjoy the next eight years…and that I do!

By Ray

November 19, 2008 3:32 PM | Link to this

Truthman,

You are totally discounting the responsibility of the act, the attitude of the conjugal partners and the idea that we owe something to someone who can’t make good decisions. It has nothing to do with the Bible….. I don’t give a Tinker’s Damn what the Bible says about this issue. It is the responsibility of the prospective parents to not get into this dilemma in the first place. YOU AND YOUR MONEY ARE NOT THERE, indeed. So it’s OK to kill your unborn child just because you have made bad decisions and want someone else to take the hit and pay for your mistake. 93% of all abortions recipients thought so but we didn’t get to ask the 1.2M who didn’t have an opinion.

By patriot

November 19, 2008 3:35 PM | Link to this

I find it very comical that libs such as Bookman, et al are devoting much time and energy to telling the GOP and/or conservatives how to re-invent themselves. The recurring theme is that we only need to be more like our newly elected socialist/democrat party. We really appreciate your efforts to help us, but golly gee, Jay, I think we can figure it out for ourselves. Actually, after the reality of our new moron in chief settles in it isn’t going to be that difficult.

By GodHatesTrash

November 19, 2008 3:36 PM | Link to this

Folks, Ms. Parker is not condemning decent Christians in her column, just you ooogedy-boogedyboo types.

I’m not directing this at anyone in particular, but you clowns aren’t the only people that call themselves Christians, you know. Some of us are decent respectable folks…

By Truthman

November 19, 2008 3:37 PM | Link to this

RB, I knew you’d walk into the trap!

Anti-choice people want to impose their will upon others. If a woman gets pregnant (not by you, of course), and knows that she cannot financially support the zygote-cum-fetus, then she is doing the prudent thing (in her mind) to not place a larger burden on society at large.

I know your circuits are overheating now, but it’s nothing more than imposing your viewpoint on society…and that’s why we have - at least before W came along - FREEDOM in this fair land.

You don’t have to have an abortion. My ex and I never had one. My mom, my sister, my aunts never had one! My current lady love never had one! But, you sure ain’t going to tell my lady what she can and can’t do with her body.

By Sears Tower

November 19, 2008 3:39 PM | Link to this

Jay Bookman

How has she been “ex-communicated?” Her column is on Townhall right now. Kathleen Parker wrote a scathing column about Sarah Palin a few months back. So what? What I really don’t understand is all this hatred for Palin. WHAT IN THE WORLD SCARES YOU ABOUT HER? I mean, Joe Biden is one of the biggest idiots the democrat party has. He plagiarized his own son. He can’t count and he makes racist remarks towards Indians. Why have you never reported this? When people attack someone like Palin it means that they are scared to death. Gee Jay, you really are a liberal wus. I hope that I never see you on a battlefield. I’ll know to stay far far away from you because you would be nothing but a Benedict Arnold. Good day hack.

By GodHatesTrash

November 19, 2008 3:43 PM | Link to this

From Ms. Parker’s column

“Simply put: Armband religion is killing the Republican Party. And, the truth — as long as we’re setting ourselves free — is that if one were to eavesdrop on private conversations among the party intelligentsia, one would hear precisely that.

The choir has become absurdly off-key, and many Republicans know it.

But they need those votes!

So it has been for the Grand Old Party since the 1980s or so, as it has become increasingly beholden to an element that used to be relegated to wooden crates on street corners.”

Ouch - that had to hurt…

Ooogedy-boogedy boo, y’all.

By Truthman

November 19, 2008 3:48 PM | Link to this

Believe me, there is NOTHING that scares me about Sarah Palin! She’s W with nice gams!

If she is the future of the GOP, then the GOP has no future!

Let us hope!

By GodHatesTrash

November 19, 2008 3:48 PM | Link to this

She never lets up!

“Suffice it to say, the Republican Party is largely comprised of white, married Christians. Anyone watching the two conventions last summer can’t have missed the stark differences: One party was brimming with energy, youth and diversity; the other felt like an annual Depends sales meeting.”

Ouch again, Ms. Parker

Ooogedy-boogedy boo, y’all.

By GOP is gone

November 19, 2008 3:52 PM | Link to this

Dear Ray,

Why is it that everyone is SO sure I hate everybody? I really could care less what anyone believes or not. The problem lies in shoving these ideas down my throat and the oh “so superior than thou” attitude. Kind of like you and poor black people, I am sure you do not really hate poor black and are not the supreme racist you appear to be in type. Lighten up Doc, you and the Corporal just can not take a joke.

By Carol Platt Liebau

November 19, 2008 3:53 PM | Link to this

Kick God Out of the GOP?

That’s the advice from Kathleen Parker writing in today’s Washington Post.

With all due respect, she’s wrong. Faith in God and transcendant moral values isn’t what hurts the GOP, although a certain clumsiness in invoking Him and discussing moral issues generally occasionally does. And it’s misguided to argue that the GOP will attract more young people if it somehow tries to go atheist in the style of the liberal left — that, more than anything, will guarantee Republican failure, both because people of faith will leave the party and because intelligent secularist young people will prefer the real party of faithlessness over a “me too but less” party of secular humanism.

John McCain and the Republicans didn’t lose because of the religiosity of some of the party’s base. They lost because Barack Obama managed to lure millions of religious voters away from the GOP — in no small part by emphasizing his personal faith in God.

So far, there’s been precious little evidence that any Republican office-holder has tried to violate the First Amendment prohibition on establishing a religion. Whatever discussion of faith and virtue in the public square that happens around election time is perfectly consistent with the principles upon which this country was founded. The Founding Fathers established a country with a secular government — predicated on the notion that the government and the nation would be populated by a deeply religious people. And attempting to remove religion from public discussion, as Parker does, runs contra to their notions.

It’s always a bad thing to throw the baby out with the bathwater. It’s even worse to throw out the Almighty.

By Truthman

November 19, 2008 3:53 PM | Link to this

GodHatesTrash: BOOYAH!!!

He shots, he scores!!

By Michelle Malkin

November 19, 2008 3:56 PM | Link to this

The Insane Rage of the Same-Sex Marriage Mob

Before Election Day, national media handwringers forged a wildly popular narrative: The right was, in the words of New York Times columnist Paul Krugman, gripped by “insane rage.” Outbreaks of incivility (some real, but mostly imagined) were proof positive of the extremist takeover of the Republican Party. The cluck-cluckers and tut-tutters shook with fear.

But when the GOP took a beating on Nov. 4, no mass protests ensued; no nationwide boycotts erupted. Conservatives took their lumps and began the peaceful post-defeat process of self-flagellation, self-analysis and self-autopsy.

In fact, in the wake of campaign 2008 there’s only one angry mob gripped by “insane rage”: left-wing same-sex marriage activists incensed at their defeat in California. Voters there approved Proposition 8, a traditional marriage initiative, by 52 percent to 48 percent.

Instead of introspection and self-criticism, however, the sore losers who opposed Prop. 8 responded with threats, fists and blacklists.

That’s right. Activists have published on the Internet an “Anti-Gay Blacklist” of Prop. 8 donors. If the tables were turned and Prop. 8 proponents created such an enemies list, everyone in Hollywood would be screaming “McCarthyism” faster than you could count to eight.

A Los Angeles restaurant whose manager made a small donation to the Prop. 8 campaign has been besieged nightly by hordes of protesters who have disrupted business, intimidated patrons and brought employees to tears. Out of fear for their jobs and their lives, workers at El Coyote Mexican Cafe pooled together $500 to pay off the bullies.

Scott Eckern, the beleaguered artistic director of California Musical Theatre in Sacramento, was forced to resign over his $1,000 donation to the Prop. 8 campaign. Rich Raddon, director of the Los Angeles Film Festival, is next on the chopping block after the anti-Prop. 8 mob discovered that he had also contributed to the “Yes on 8” campaign. Calls have been pouring in for his firing.

Over the last two weeks, anti-Prop. 8 organizers have targeted Mormon, Catholic and evangelical churches. Sentiments like this one, found on the anti-Prop.8 website “JoeMyGod,” are common across the left-wing blogosphere: “Burn their f—-ing churches to the ground, and then tax the charred timbers.”

Thousands of gay-rights demonstrators stood in front of the Mormon temple in Los Angeles shouting “Mormon scum.” The Mormon headquarters in Salt Lake City received threatening letters containing an unidentified powder. Religion-bashing protesters filled with hate decried the “hate” at Rick Warren’s Saddleback Church in Orange County, Calif. Vandals defaced the Calvary Chapel in Chino Hills, Calif., because church members had collected Prop. 8 petitions. One worshiper’s car was keyed with the slogans “Gay sex is love” and “SEX.” Another car’s antenna and windshield wipers were broken.

In Carlsbad, Calif., a man was charged with punching his elderly neighbors over their pro-Prop. 8 signs. In Palm Springs, Calif., a videographer filmed unhinged anti-Prop. 8 marchers who yanked a large cross from the hands of 69-year-old Phyllis Burgess and stomped on it.

In San Francisco, Christians evangelizing in the Castro District needed police protection after the same-sex marriage mob got physical and hounded them off the streets. Enthusiastically shooting themselves in the foot, anti-Prop. 8 boycotters are now going after the left-wing Sundance Film Festival because it does business in Mormon-friendly Utah.

Also targeted: Cinemark Theaters across the country. The company’s CEO, Alan Stock, donated just under $10,000 to the traditional marriage measure. Never mind that Cinemark theaters are hosting the new biopic about gay icon Harvey Milk. They must pay for the sins of the company head who dared to exercise his political free speech.

Corporate honchos, church leaders and small donors alike are in the same-sex marriage mob’s crosshairs, all unfairly demonized as hate-filled bigots by bona fide hate-filled bigots who have abandoned decency in pursuit of “equal rights.” One wonders where Barack Obama — himself an opponent of Proposition 8 — is as this insane rage rages on. Soul-Fixer, Nation-Healer, where art thou?

By Ray

November 19, 2008 4:04 PM | Link to this

GOP,

Supreme racist. That’s a handle that I have never had before. That’s not much of a joke. I don’t hate anyone. I do deplore irresponsibility, laziness, bad decisions and people who expect the government to pick up the tab for their unwillingness to earn a living. That goes for anyone, regardless of race. And if you want to pay for all of this, be my guest. Just count me out. Maybe the Annointed One can deduct a little more from your tax return every year for these unfortunates but…… if you call that racist, then I are one, registered, certified and gold plated.

By Truthman

November 19, 2008 4:25 PM | Link to this

Ray, I’d prefer my tax dollars go less for the military/industrial complex (of which I am a part) and more to universal healthcare, real childcare, real job training and the arts.

However, this is America, and we’re all supposed to pay our fair share - except for Leona “taxes are for little people” Helmsley! So, pay your share and be glad you live in a country where our freedoms are soon going to be returned to us and reaffirmed by your PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA!!

By Truthman

November 19, 2008 4:30 PM | Link to this

It’s so easy for a good-looking broad such as Michelle Malkin to rail against our gay brothers and sisters.

It’s easy when you’ve never been on the receiving end of hateful comments, brutality and lynchings.

It’s easy to sit in your trendy apartment and castigate those who have less rights than you.

Such a hateful, hateful person!!! If she ever breeds, I hope they’re all LGBT, or, at least reject her hateful, 15th Century thinking!

By Fly_on_the_Wall

November 19, 2008 4:33 PM | Link to this

RB,

Oh but you do attempt to enforce your views on others. How many doctors have been targeted or attacked or KILLED because of someone with YOUR viewpoint? How many people have targeted workers at women’s clinics? How many people have attempted to block access to these same clinics? Why do you always ASSUME that most all abortions are used as a method for birth control (they are not but I know you’ll have your data and I’ll have mine that shows otherwise). Your side assumes that people are just having sex like crazy and then getting abortions all the time. Could those that believe this be left-overs from the 1960s and 1970s who didn’t get to join the ‘sexual revolution’ and want to get back at everyone else? ;-)

I still say, if you want smaller government then keep it out of our bedrooms and the doctor’s office.

Carol Platt Liebau -

I think you are misguided when it comes to the Founding Fathers. Almost ALL of them were Deists. They weren’t Evangelical Christians, regardless of how the current ‘historical perspective’ of them is painted by the Religious Right.

By SaveOurRepublic

November 19, 2008 4:40 PM | Link to this

AmVet @ 8:13 AM - I think you’re correct on Dr.Paul not running in 2012. He’s ran twice now (once Libertarian & once GOP). I’m hoping the Constitutional Party can gain some steam between now & then.

The GOP has failed, because they turned their backs on too many true conservative positions. Instead of embracing the limited government, protectionist, no foreign entanglements & legislating strictly by the Constitution, the Neocon infested GOP has gone in the opposite direction. The push of Corporate Welfare, massive spending, foreign aid & entanglements, open borders, an Orwellian police state & Globalization goes against the grain of true (paleo)conservatism.

By Duke

November 19, 2008 4:51 PM | Link to this

Read George Washington’s Farewell Address. Like most of our founders, Washington understood that without religion, there is no basis for morality; and without morality, there is no basis for law.

Get the DVD “Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed”, with Ben Stein. The testimony of history is conclusive. When societies confess a minimal commitment to some sort of transcendental truth, it limits the things which they allow themselves to do, one unto the other.

Hitler was motivated by Darwin’s theory of evolution. He actually thought he was doing good, improving the human race.

Murder is wrong because God says so. That is the only adequate protection. Human reason can rationalize anything. Benjamin Franklin, one of the very few American founders who was not a Protestant Christian, said, “If God did not exist, man would have to invent Him.”

By GodHatesTrash

November 19, 2008 5:03 PM | Link to this

Folks, once again, Ms. Parker is not condemning Christian worship, just the ooogedy-boogedy boo type that so many of you whackjob rightwingnuts find your stupid uneducated selves involved in.

So lighten up.

To show you I have no ill will towards you folks, a big *ooogedy-boogedy boo shout out to y’all.

By Truthman

November 19, 2008 5:05 PM | Link to this

Duke: Without man there IS no religion!

I don’t need religion to know what’s right and what’s wrong.

If anyone does, then they aren’t a very good member of planet earth, are they?

By Razmus

November 19, 2008 5:14 PM | Link to this

I am a conservative and couldn’t give a flying rats-@$$ if women want to have abortions, if people are homosexuals and want to be married or if someone wants to takes heroin until they are dead. Each persons decisions are their own “cross to bear” (no pun intended). I do however have a problem with citizens, corporations and cities that mis-handle their own affairs but who are still rewarded with our tax dollars to bail them out. I don’t want my money going to them. I see nothing wrong with that line of thinking and I believe a vast majority of Americans believe that way as well. All of you internet intellectuals that try to sit out there and pidgeon hole all conservatives need to take a good hard look at yourselves. You are the ones who have become cliche in your beliefs and intolerant in you ideas. The worst offenders of freedom of choice on anything in America today are the liberals and Soros leftists which most people on this mud-bog are. Another thing, an obituary is written by the American press every few years for the party that is out of power. Take heed; this victory party you are now enjoying is going to be a very short one. The conservatives will be back. I am however glad to see the Clinton’s back running the Whitehouse. Afterall, at least Bill is a centrist!

By VERITAS

November 19, 2008 5:17 PM | Link to this

HOW COME JAY BOOKMAN & THE OTHER FLOWER CHILDREN FROM THE 1960S ARE SO CONCERNED ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY?

THE LEFTISTS ARE TWO SENATE SEATS SHORT OF BEING ABLE TO DO WHATEVER THE F*CK THEY WANT TO THIS COUNTRY. WHY THE CONCERN?

THEY POINT TO SARAH PALIN AS THE CAUSE OF REPUBLICAN DEFEAT. THEY WEREN’T GOING TO VOTE FOR MCCAIN ANYWAY. SATAN COULD HAVE RUN AS A DEMOCRAT AND STILL WON.

By Fly_on_the_Wall

November 19, 2008 5:19 PM | Link to this

Duke,

We agree with what you say, but it is in the implementation of it that bothers some of us. We interpret what George Washington said something that is true. The Democrats aren’t saying take God out of government or people’s lives, we’re only asking that you keep it personal and not enforce everything you feel that is in the Bible on others who may not follow your beliefs. We (and the Founding Fathers) do not want a government totally based on religion. They lived through this and they could tell you how bad that really is to live under. We all look at Iran and say that a government based solely on Islamic law is not a good idea - way too radical. How would a government based on Christian law be better? Do we assume that we as Christians are better than they? Would you want Pat Robertson deciding law or any other televanglist? I doubt it.

By Karl Marx

November 19, 2008 5:29 PM | Link to this

ONE PARTY RULE !

CHANGE WILL BE A REALITY !

VIVA, CHE GUEVARA !

VIVA, BARACK OBAMA !

VIVA, CHANGE !

By Duke

November 19, 2008 5:35 PM | Link to this

No one is talking about a government based on Christian law. This is a complex theological issue, but there is no such thing as Christian law. Christian law is “the perfect law of liberty”. America is a Christian nation because our citizens are Christians. No one is suggesting that any religious code should be enforced. It is the secular humanists who are banning the traditional Christian expressions in our public square, to enforce their own godless religion. Simply follow the example of our founders. In their official offices, they briefly acknowledged their dependence upon God, and called upon Him for strength and guidance. To ban this sort of governmental speech violates the very Constitution it claims to enforce.

Read George Washington’s Farewell Address. Like most of our founders, Washington understood that without religion, there is no basis for morality; and without morality, there is no basis for law.

Get the DVD “Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed”, with Ben Stein. The testimony of history is conclusive. When societies confess a minimal commitment to some sort of transcendental truth, it limits the things which they allow themselves to do, one unto the other.

Hitler was motivated by Darwin’s theory of evolution. He actually thought he was doing good, improving the human race.

Murder is wrong because God says so. That is the only adequate protection. Human reason can rationalize anything. Benjamin Franklin, one of the very few American founders who was not a Protestant Christian, said, “If God did not exist, man would have to invent Him.”

By cc

November 19, 2008 6:48 PM | Link to this

who woulda thought al-zawahri would turn out to be a republican and afraid of those darn liberals, too?

By cc

November 19, 2008 6:51 PM | Link to this

hey mr. marx, did you know that that the university of georgia is a socialist institution? yep, state created, state funded and state regulated, you go k man! woof woof woof comrade

By GOP is gone

November 19, 2008 7:39 PM | Link to this

Ray and Razmus,

I feel pigeon holed by the “conservatives” just as much as you feel “pigeon holed” by so called liberals. As you do, I don’t give a rat’s a$$ about who marries who, I do not appose abortions in the right setting, (I feel it is morally wrong to use this as birth control), and I also believe in personal choice. I will go further to say I believe in the law of attraction. However I think that social programs are an essential part of abating the downward spiral of poverty. Some people will succeed regardless, but some assistance out of the ghetto is a cheap way to avoid expensive prison. Think of it as paying less of your money to house criminals instead of a handout.

I am curious about something, do either of you lack necessities, I mean basics like food, shelter or safety? I do believe in Karma. That is why I ask that question. I have tried to live my life in a way that some would call “Christian” with out the label. If I can help someone out, I do it. I think that I have reaped more benefits in good karma coming back to me and mine than I have ever given. So unless you face some personal crisis of losing the basics, is 3% really that big of a deal to you?

Just for the record, I think the companies that have run themselves into the ground should sink in the quick sand. I have worked hard and have no debt. I totally believe in the death penalty, especially to anyone who abuses children. I am opposed to selling anyone a rapid fire automatic weapon unless they are on the way to Iraq. However, if you have to have a handgun, I am cool with that, but feel you should work on your fear. If I truly hate anything it is hypocrisy. I try to walk the walk and find the “bible thumpers” are mostly talk. So like yourselves, I really do not know if I can call myself liberal or conservative, nor do I care if I have a label. Just call me a good person and I will be happy. Well, if I am being truthful I would probably be happy anyway.

By cc

November 19, 2008 7:51 PM | Link to this

here, here, GOP! be it religion or politics, blind faith and common sense are archrivals.

By Dolly the Llama

November 19, 2008 7:54 PM | Link to this

yep, uh-huh, if Jesus wer alive today, he’d probably be a Buddhist, yep, uh-huh…

By Saint Bubba

November 19, 2008 8:04 PM | Link to this

so Duke are you saying that Hammurabi in the 18th century BC,(that’s a long time before they did that magic trick at JC’s birthday) didn’t know murder was wrong because the authors of the Bible weren’t born yet to tell him so?