Jay Bookman

By GodHatesTrash

November 18, 2008 6:51 AM | Link to this

PULLED.

• Jay

By GodHatesTrash

November 18, 2008 7:04 AM | Link to this

LOL.

You’re ridiculous.

By ByteMe

November 18, 2008 7:07 AM | Link to this

Is this really a white-black thing or a lack of presence thing? Obama didn’t spend any time trying to win AL/MS/LA, so can’t imagine why voters already predisposed to be Republicans would be interested in voting for a Democrat that didn’t spend any time trying to win their votes.

Minimal advertising and limited get-out-the-vote effort translates into unmotivated voters and fewer votes.

On the other hand, white folks in those states have already shown themselves to be more race-conscious, so perhaps racism does play a role in this. Hard to know from a statistic that doesn’t provide a deeper understanding of the “why”.

By AJC/DNC Management

November 18, 2008 7:29 AM | Link to this

Congratulations, you’ve reduced your president elect to a person chosen solely based on the color of his skin.

Even further, you’ve diminished America as a stupid, mindless country that does not compare nor understand the positions of each candidate, unable to choose which best matches their own.

I suppose it is only fitting, the democrat party and it’s roving band of grievance mongers, if you ain’t a victim, then you have no standing or no bearings within this depraved organization, they have no grouping or housing project to safely file you away in.

My America rises above yours, I believe in an America which saw a choice between a do nothing socialist and a long term inside Washington elite socialist, and made their choice accordingly.

I have 232 years of proof on my side, socialism did not make this country the most powerful and caring one in the world, no, intelligent, prudent, self sufficient hard working citizens did.

You can have “your” America and all the sicknesses that go with it.

By Jen

November 18, 2008 7:35 AM | Link to this

Nate Silver talked about this on 538 dot com. Mostly his analysis seems to indicate that Obama’s success with whites has a lot to do with how much he campaigned in a given state, specifically the southern states with a history of racial discord.

By G

November 18, 2008 7:42 AM | Link to this

As a white southerner, I’m ashamed of the voting patterns of whites in the deep south in this presidential election.

Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana will continue to be the bottom of the barrel as long as bigotry and willful ignorance determine their futures.

By AJC/DNC Management

November 18, 2008 7:47 AM | Link to this

By G November 18, 2008 7:42 AM As a white southerner, I’m ashamed of the voting patterns of whites in the deep south in this presidential election. Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana will continue to be the bottom of the barrel as long as bigotry and willful ignorance determine their futures.

Yeah, it’s easier than admitting Southerners could be smarter than the rest of America.

Duh.

By Pat

November 18, 2008 7:48 AM | Link to this

Honestly Jay, what is it about your blog that inspires the ignorazzi to rise and share their delusions with the masses so early every morning?

What an inspiring way to start the day! I suppose we should all look at the Deep South’s sea of red and reassure ourselves that it was a deep rejection of “socialism” and a “do-nothing socialist” that created that particularly Dixie-shaped electoral pattern. We should pay no attention to the fact that these “random” states happen to share a certain distastful past that’s not-so past.

I was more than willing to reject the racism theory and tongue-in-cheek, accept the humorous idea that these Southern states are just chock-a-block with Adam Smith economic theorists. But every time Obama haters open their mouth, they confirm my suspicions. And while it sucks that I have to even say it, I’m a white business owner. Tell us, Jay, how many “N——-” emails did you delete today from these high-minded economic scientists and patriots?

By Mrs. Godzilla

November 18, 2008 7:54 AM | Link to this

The Obama campaign made wise choices about where and how to spend it’s money and time.

MS/AL/LA were not required to win the big 270. Could he have won those states by stuffing them chock full of money? In 2008 probably not. Maybe in 2012.

By Pat

November 18, 2008 7:58 AM | Link to this

By the way, AJC/DNC Management - In poker, the amateurs have a “tell” that gives them away. For you, the tell that proves the point is your bile-steeped “housing project” aside. You’ve proven Jay’s point about the resentment and where it comes from - the blistering, seething anger that somewhere, some worthless “other” and his fellow-dark skinned minions are sponging off your tax dollars. I feel bad for you. Expect to be even more p** off in the future as the country grows ever darker-skinned. Might be time for that daily aspirin regime.

By We began with One

November 18, 2008 8:06 AM | Link to this

People that think race played no part in the election are lying to themselves. Then again, people that think race was the sole factor are lying to themselves. Regardless, there will always be some that lie to themselves.

By BDAtlanta

November 18, 2008 8:08 AM | Link to this

The current Southern racial voting patterns are much more tolerant than they would have been 4, 8, 16, or 32 years ago.

I beleive you are seeing that vote primarily in older white voters?? (I may be wrong here as I haven’t analyzed the results)

It takes time to flush the system of the unfounded racial fears and hatred. The youth in the South are clearly more tolerant of “others” than their parents and grandparents ever will be. We’re working on it..just be patient.

By AJC/DNC Management

November 18, 2008 8:23 AM | Link to this

By Pat November 18, 2008 7:58 AM By the way, AJC/DNC Management - In poker, the amateurs have a “tell” that gives them away. For you, the tell that proves the point is your bile-steeped “housing project” aside….some worthless “other” and his fellow-dark skinned minions are sponging off your tax dollars.

I sure would like to know where “tax dollars” became the central issue of my argument because I sure enough missed it.

My reference to “housing projects” was in relation to all of the lovely prizes that democrat voters have received over the many years for their loyal support to this depraved, failed power hungry political party.

No one can deny that over the years the majority of blacks in this country have had their opportunities taken away from them and had them replaced with dependency; failed schools, failed housing, failed families. At one time democrats increased welfare benefits for single mothers, thereby making it profitable for the father to abandon his children, a sickness that has led to increased crime, increased incarceration, increased illiteracy.

This is your legacy Pat, not mine, and you may think calling me and my fellow Americans racists absolves you of your crimes, but we know better than that.

You own it.

By BDAtlanta

November 18, 2008 8:25 AM | Link to this

You could probably rank the states by income, SAT scores, IQ tests, quality of life standing, etc and overlay the results against % of white vote going to Obama and see clear patterns.

MS, AL, LA, and GA aren’t blowing the SAT scores off the charts.

Intelligence, environment, and opportunities play a hand in white fear and hatred of not only Blacks but Latinos and every other category they don’t belong to: Jews, Gays, Liberals, GA Tech fans, tea drinkers, hikers, bikers, skateboarders, mopeders, bourbon imbibers, those disgusted with Boortz’ own bubbling racism, those who think white collar bonuses are crazy high (but don’t think about taking mine, dude), those who think this guy ought to shut it and get back to work…

By We began with One

November 18, 2008 8:39 AM | Link to this

Inbreeding will ultimately take its toll and there will be fewer and fewer of those intolerant ones as time marches on. The down-side is that they do tend to get more mentally imbalanced as they lose their ability to differentiate mother from sister from daughter, etc. They remind me of that X-Files episode about that deep-south “family” that had all the deformities associated with a lack of genetic diversity. Us mutts are the future because we are genetically pre-disposed to be more tolerant of change.

By G

November 18, 2008 8:40 AM | Link to this

This election proved without a doubt that the Republican party relies on racism and bigotry to win elections.

And we all know the deep South is full of it.

That whole “paling around with terrorists” business was most certainly a call to all bigots. The issue was completely irrelevant. The campaign just wanted to use the words “terrorist” and “Obama” in the same sentence because they knew their base have mostly empty heads that were begging to be filled with a “legitimate” reason to hate Obama.

If a white Democrat were running they would have found some other way to exploit the racism and latent racism.

If there were a way to eliminate the racism, Republicans would never win a national election.

By Corey

November 18, 2008 8:42 AM | Link to this

AJC/DNC Management, a hurt dog will holler. Are you one of those hurt dogs?

By AJC/DNC Management

November 18, 2008 8:48 AM | Link to this

I’ve got another explanation that even makes more sense than your’s does:

Among Clinton’s supporters, just 38 percent said they would vote for Obama against McCain; nearly as many said they would back McCain; and the rest said they would sit it out.-ABCNews

Hahahaha, democrat primary voters admitting their bigotry and saying they would vote for McCain.

You’re whining about yourselves this morning, liberals.

By RW-(the original)

November 18, 2008 9:05 AM | Link to this

There are plenty of reasons besides skin color to attribute voting pattern shifts to, but if Jay B is going to insist that it’s just race then we have a shift of people that were perfectly happy to vote for a Democrat in 2004 that wouldn’t vote for the “black guy” in 2008. How long have we been telling you it was the Democrats that were the true bigots?

By We began with One

November 18, 2008 9:13 AM | Link to this

I was talking to this couple a few days ago and I inquired about how their efforts were going with the adoption of the child that was in their care. The couple informed me that despite their best efforts, they could not adopt the child since they were not related and since the child’s guardian had a change of “heart” and decided to keep the child. Apparently, the child’s guardian finally came to the realization that the checks for the child’s care would no longer be coming once the child leaves. The poor fair-skinned child would have had a much better home with the loving couple that wanted to adopt the child even though there would have been no government check to them as there was to the fair-skinned guardian. Trust me. These types of stories are not confined to any particular skin color and anyone truly knowledgeable with respect to such issues will surely attest to this fact. Andy, these issues are not restricted to a particular race or a particular political party.

By "The Corporal"

November 18, 2008 9:23 AM | Link to this

So ………. white voters in Georgia were in general smart enough to vote on Obama’s politics/resume’ vs. his skin color.

Give us a conservative black candidate and see what happens.

Makes me mighty proud to say I’m from Georgia.

By Taxpayer

November 18, 2008 9:28 AM | Link to this

Corporal,

Why didn’t the Republican party nominate one of those conservative blacks. I thought there were several to choose from. Instead, you guys chose a moderate white male maverick. 8>)

By tcoach

November 18, 2008 9:35 AM | Link to this

So in 04 GA voted 23% for dem. who had a white guy running. Then in 2008 GA votes again at 23% for the dem. candidate, but this time it has a racial element to it. Can anyone explain how if the same percentages voted in both years how one is racism and the other was just how the vote turned out?

By Goldie

November 18, 2008 9:39 AM | Link to this

I’ve often said many cynical things about the state of GA — I grew up here, and I know how slow progress has been in getting this state’s mindset out of the 19th century. It’s been a slow, long slog in GA… and it probably won’t change anytime soon. Just based on history.

By "The Corporal"

November 18, 2008 9:41 AM | Link to this

To Taxpayer

Good honest question and we are working on that. McCain was far from my first choice. Stay tuned.

To All

Check out the latest Zogby poll. Obama wasn’t elected by white Georgians but he was basically elected largely by stupid people.

“The poll surveyed over 500 self-professed Obama voters and has an MOE of 4.4%, with 55% having a college degree and over 90% having a high-school diploma. It asked 12 multiple-choice questions; only 2.4% got at least 11 correct. Only .5% got all them correct.

57.4 could NOT correctly say which party controls congress (50/50 shot just by guessing)

81.8 could NOT correctly say Joe Biden quit a previous campaign because of plagiarism (25% chance by guessing)

82.6 could NOT correctly say that Obama won his first election by getting opponents kicked off the ballot (25% chance by guessing)

88.4% could NOT correctly say that Obama said his policies would likely bankrupt the coal industry and make energy rates skyrocket (25% chance by guessing)

56.1 % could NOT correctly say Obama started his political career at the home of two former members of the Weather Underground (25% chance by guessing).And yet…..”

By Morningstar

November 18, 2008 9:43 AM | Link to this

By Mrs. Godzilla November 18, 2008 7:54 AM The Obama campaign made wise choices about where and how to spend it’s money and time

I agree Mrs. G. It’s extraordinarily stupid to throw good money after bad money. I do believe there must be gazillions of people in AL, MS, GA. and SC, to name a few red states, who are not registered to vote. Look at the population vs. voters.

Perhaps a big surge in getting potential voters registered, will help turn these states blue in 2012. Just a thought….

By no to nannystate

November 18, 2008 9:44 AM | Link to this

Thomas Sowell quote “Talkers are usually more articulate than doers, since talk is their specialty.”

Libs and Dems like to think that a vote against Obama indicates racism. I have nothing against Obama except his party’s politics. I would happily vote any of the following into any office: Thomas Sowell, Herman Cain, Michael Steele, Clarence Thomas, Alan Keyes, Juan Williams, et al. “Much of the social history of the Western world, over the past three decades, has been a history of replacing what worked with what sounded good.” (Thomas Sowell again)

By Goldie

November 18, 2008 9:45 AM | Link to this

My America rises above yours,

DUH-Management— you’re a hopeless bigot, and you know it. And don’t start your Christian Bible-verse crap to justify your hatred for about 70% of America today.

Your “America” is solely in your hate-infested head. And I thank God every day that we now have an intelligent man headed to the White House in January.

By Eric1

November 18, 2008 9:45 AM | Link to this

A glowing accomplishment to be proud of. Congratulations, Corporal, you’re from Georgia!

By "The Corporal"

November 18, 2008 9:51 AM | Link to this

To Eric!

I’m not sure if you meant that seriously or as a “tonghe in cheeck”.

However, I will say that I have traveled to 46 of these United States and have lived in Tennessee, Georgia, Ohio, West Virginia and the Washington, D.C. area. I can tell you at least from my experience that the worst overt prejudice and bigotry is up North. Join a hard core union and you’ll find that out very quickly.

By Joey

November 18, 2008 9:53 AM | Link to this

There are two principle strains of bigotry played out in this blog.

Political Party Bigotry. This is lead by Jay and intensified by his choir of other liberals. They rely mostly on name calling and ad hominem attacks. To this group anything conservative or Republican is vile and abhorrent. And must be labeled so often and liberally.

Geographical Bigotry. This is another of Jay’s cause celebs. That should be a puzzle since Jay claims to be from the deep south. He escaped though for a few years. That “true deep south” attitude which holds the rest of us back was flushed from his system. But he still knows it when he sees it.

To Jay and his choir these “deep south” states are the bowels of ignorance and hatred. Unredeemable, well except NC and Virginia. They managed recently to achieved redemption.

Bless their hearts!

By Swami Dave

November 18, 2008 10:00 AM | Link to this

Taxpayer:

I expect that we will do so very soon when Michael Steele is elected chairman of the Republican Party. As a young articulate voice with a vision for our party, he has my vote.

-Swami Dave

By RealityKing

November 18, 2008 10:02 AM | Link to this

Of course there was racial bias among white democrats, but its no different than Obamamania among blacks. So what, we’re different… Live it. Love it!

By Taxpayer

November 18, 2008 10:14 AM | Link to this

Corporal,

You confuse “stupidity” with “ignorance”. Granted, one might be appropriately labeled as “stupid”, “ignorant”, or even “stupid and ignorant” but an “ignorant” person is not necessarily “stupid” even though many “stupid” people are necessarily “ignorant”.

By Mrs. Godzilla

November 18, 2008 10:16 AM | Link to this

corporal

regarding your poll…..

By "The Corporal"

November 18, 2008 10:23 AM | Link to this

To Taxpayer and Mrs. G.

But we know don’t we ………… :o)

A great percentage of the people who voted for Obama actually think he is going to buy their gas and make their mortgage payement. And when he doesn’t ………….

By "The Corporal"

November 18, 2008 10:30 AM | Link to this

P.S. to Taxpayer

….. and a very highly educated person can also be very stu… well, let’s be kind and just say they lack wisdom.

By Jasin

November 18, 2008 10:32 AM | Link to this

The Republicans play the race card and it’s as plain as day. Not to say that all Republicans are racist, but the STRATEGY of the Republican party includes racist undertones that they have consistently found effective. The Democratic STRATEGY promotes inclusiveness and diversity. And that’s not to say that there are no racists to be found in the Democratic party. Everyone has some racisim in them, in my opinion. You can’t declare one person racist and another not. But I deplore the Republican strategies that play to this to create fear and the us vs. them mentality.

By Morningstar

November 18, 2008 10:35 AM | Link to this

AJC - MGT @ 8:23AM - Read anything about the job situation for African Americans as late as the 1950’s and 1960’s, or the housing situation, or schools to name a few. It twas bad for many Americans during this time, but twas much worse for African Americans.

Corporal @ 9:41AM - Do you have a link for these statistics? Were percentages given based on ALL states, or just the sunny South? What was education level, numbers of people who answered questions correctly etc., for the McCain voters?

By Taxpayer November 18, 2008 10:14 AM

Taxpayer, ignorance vs. stupidity is confusing to most people. I hear people refer to someone as, ‘dumb as dirt’ when it’s evident he/she is NOT incapable, or mathmatically challenged. The person is unlearned. Poor Sarah was a good example of someone being uninformed, and she was running for V.P. I live in a rural area, and have noticed that apparent ignorance takes it’s toll on those who do not subject themselves to constant learning.

I’m not speaking of formal education, but reading newspapers and watching news reports and documentaries that provide different perspectives. Even those who ‘went away’ to university, come back and imbed themselves in the same narrow mindedness. I’m convinced this is true in every state in the union.

Enough of this. Miss Scarlett how you do ‘run on.’

By AJC/DNC Management

November 18, 2008 10:36 AM | Link to this

Speaking of racism:

Blacks and Mormons have been the main targets of the gay activists’ anger. Seventy percent of blacks voted against gay marriage in California, so racial epithets were hurled at blacks in Los Angeles— not in black neighborhoods, by the way.

Blacks who just happened to be driving through Westwood, near UCLA, were accosted in their cars and, in addition to being denounced, were warned, “You better watch your back.”-Thomas Sowell

Right wingers, eh?

By Mrs. Godzilla

November 18, 2008 10:38 AM | Link to this

corporal

a lot of folks who voted for McCain still think Iraq attacked us on 9/11 and that Obama is a Muslim.

We didn’t need a contrived push poll to get this info….

The CNN exit polls are here

By findog

November 18, 2008 10:40 AM | Link to this

WbwO @8:06 Precisely, since the Nixon’s southern strategy of 1968, through Regan’s Cadillac welfare queens and Helm’s quota add, to today’s Saxby they are going to the polls race has been used to win elections. But why didn’t Martin win outright? Because he beat a black man during the primary and Jones and his supporters could or would not vote for a white man. Sad know that I think of it…

By Truthman

November 18, 2008 10:44 AM | Link to this

This has nothing to do with the column…I just want to say “Get the H outta here, Vernon Jones!!”

Please take your considerable ego back to your house on Bragg Street and get out of our lives!!! You are an arrogant fool and you services are no longer needed or wanted!! You are everything Barack Obama is not, thank goodness!

By Taxpayer

November 18, 2008 10:45 AM | Link to this

Corporal,

We know what we know and we should know that life per se is a learning experience. Many people that voted for Bush actually thought that they were voting for a conservative, equipped with compassion for his fellow Americans. Many people were, needless to say, quite disappointed but still more learn-ed after experiencing Bush’s definition of compassionate conservatism. Wisely, the majority of Americans decided to try something different rather than succumbing to the insanity of “more of the same.”

By findog

November 18, 2008 10:50 AM | Link to this

Corporal @9:23 What about that conservative black pizza guy? Or did you mean if he ran against a liberal black community organizer? @9:41 What about the high number of President Bush supporters though Saddam had a hand in 911? Any group of American’s can be found wanting in detailed information, did the survey have a base question like who won the Super Bowl to s\sieve the really stupid from the typically uninformed?

By Taxpayer

November 18, 2008 10:59 AM | Link to this

Corporal,

That 10:30 post was, well, intruding upon the boundaries of stupidity — knocking loudly and incessantly while yelling, “Let me In, Let me In.” Now, I ask you, do you really want to go there.

By GodHatesTrash

November 18, 2008 11:10 AM | Link to this

By AJC/DNC Management

November 18, 2008 7:47 AM | Link to this

By G November 18, 2008 7:42 AM As a white southerner, I’m ashamed of the voting patterns of whites in the deep south in this presidential election. Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana will continue to be the bottom of the barrel as long as bigotry and willful ignorance determine their futures.

Yeah, it’s easier than admitting Southerners could be smarter than the rest of America.

Duh.

(Highlites mine)

Still LOL.

Totally ridiculous.

By "The Corporal"

November 18, 2008 11:12 AM | Link to this

To Taxpayer

If you don’t know that someone can be highly educated yet lack wisdom then I can’t help you. The smartest kid in our high school couldn’t drive a car and needed help to cross the street.

To Morningstar

You look it up. Zogby.

To Mrs. G.

But in our hearts we know, don’t we? Is he going to make your mortgage payment and buy your gasoline?

By tcoach

November 18, 2008 11:17 AM | Link to this

Are you ashamed that white GA voters do not vote for dem. party presidents? Is that your implication?

By Swami Dave

November 18, 2008 11:20 AM | Link to this

Morningstar:

Here is the link to the background of the statistics that Corporal provided:

http://howobmamagotelected.com

The education levels are included in the information. The phone interviews were performed by Zogby. It was performed with 500 Obama voters (I think) over a three day period all asked the same 12 questions that related to knowledge about the Democratic & Republican tickets in the most recent election.

As far as I know, they did not perform a comparative set of interviews with McCain voters. However, the person responsible for this website publicly challenged anyone who wanted to perform the same process on McCain voters that he would pay double their production costs if their results were similar.

Ms. Godzilla:

Apparently, you are confused as to what a “push poll” is or you are attempting to use page 121 in your “O of O” playbook to redefine it to fit your immediate political ends.

According to Wikipedia, a “push poll” is defined as such:

“A push poll is a political campaign technique in which an individual or organization attempts to influence or alter the view of respondents under the guise of conducting a poll. In a push poll, large numbers of respondents are contacted, and little or no effort is made to collect and analyze response data. Instead, the push poll is a form of telemarketing-based propaganda and rumor mongering, masquerading as a poll. Push polls may rely on innuendo or knowledge gleaned from opposition research on an opponent. They are generally viewed as a form of negative campaigning. The term is also sometimes used inaccurately to refer to legitimate polls which test political messages, some of which may be negative.”

There was no attempt to influence or alter the views of the respondents as the poll tested their knowledge. Likewise, it was carried out AFTER the election targeting respondents who had already voted for Obama (not attempting to influence them to vote in a different manner). The data WAS collected and analyzed as the entire point of the exercise was to evaluate the knowledge about candidates and issues of the respondents. It appears that Wikipedia agrees with your humble poster, Swami Dave, that the term is “used inaccurately to refer to legitimate polls which test political messages”. In this case, the foundation for the poll is the producers contention that the mainstream media (whom most all of the respondents identified as their “news” source) ignored issues, questions, inconsistencies, and outright errors by the Democratic ticket while continually focusing their coverage of the Republican ticket largely by attacks on Governor Palin. This evidenced by the fact that the only two things that the respondents seemed to consistently know with any statistical measure was that Sarah Palin had a $150K wardrobe & her teenaged daughter had gotten pregnant.

I’m happy to share the information and correct your mistake. Your welcome.

-Swami Dave

By Denny

November 18, 2008 11:23 AM | Link to this

Some McCain voters believe Obama is Muslim.

The unasked question: How many people who voted for Obama believe he is Muslim?

By "The Corporal"

November 18, 2008 11:23 AM | Link to this

To Swami Dave

Thank you but you are too kind to our liberal friends.

By Taxpayer

November 18, 2008 11:30 AM | Link to this

Corporal,

There is “wisdom” and there is “experience.” So, once again, Corporal, you confuse your words for it is not the lack of wisdom that prevents the educated person from driving a car or crossing a street unattended. It may or may not be simply a lack of experience with such tasks though. Finally, Corporal, I hardly consider myself in need or want of your “help”.

By "The Corporal"

November 18, 2008 11:35 AM | Link to this

To Denny

Better yet, how many people believe he is not a Muslim, yet only claims to be a Christian (only God knows his true heart regarding his faith in Christ and his solid stance for the killing of the unborn) but also believe he will be much too naive regarding Muslim fanaticism?

By Ray

November 18, 2008 11:40 AM | Link to this

So, everyone who did not vote for The Annointed One is a racist, especially if he lives in the South. There can be no other reason why White Southerners rejected this clown. It couldn’t be because he is a socialist Democrat. It couldn’t be because they felt the other candidate was better qualified to run the country. It couldn’t be because they felt that Mr. Wonderful’s VP selection was a bust or that his economic plans would put a decided crimp in small business. No, all of these things don’t matter, Bookman, the White South rejected this empty suit because of his race. What about all of the other people in the Blue States that did not vote for him. Are they “racists” too?
But we can’t talk about the 95% of the black community that voted for one of their own, can we? That’s off base. Again, liberals can do no wrong. They have it all figured out and anyone who disagrees with them is an idiot and uneducated. Just look at the trash that your buddies post on this blog. If it doesn’t agree with you, call it names, figure out a reason why those with a distaff opinion are racists and above all, never, never admit that you might be wrong about a damn thing.

By tcoach

November 18, 2008 11:42 AM | Link to this

So God hates trash and all the other people who claim to be ashamed of GA’s voting record. Is the fact that most white Georgians do not vote for dem. presidential candidates what you are ashamed of?

Because I know you are not implying race as the motives for GA’s votes. If that was the case then would the percentages be the same in Kerry’s year? I think John Kerry is white.

You devalue racism and the accusation of it, if you also attribute racism to issues were it is not happening.

By Swami Dave

November 18, 2008 11:46 AM | Link to this

Corporal:

I learned long ago that it is unfair for a glass or a bucket to get angry at the thimble for its lack of capacity. However, it is possible through effort to expand its capacity over time and investment.

To that end, the jobs of cultivating and building up are neither easy nor clean. There is a lot of hard work and effort invested.

-I- think that the spirit in which you undertake the effort (as much as anything else) influences the results you get.

Personally, I’m not looking to convince boxcars to hitch to my train. I’m looking to develop more engines.

-Swami Dave

By mike hussein smith

November 18, 2008 11:55 AM | Link to this

Management, have you no shame? Your C&P at 8:48 was written in May — not last week — and in no way reflects results of the Nov. 4 election. You’re guilty of what we educated liberals call intellectual dishonesty. Of course, being a Bushie, you might think you are immune to that.

Corporal: Don’t bet the farm on a Zogby poll.

By AJC/DNC Management

November 18, 2008 11:57 AM | Link to this

By Truthman November 18, 2008 10:44 AM This has nothing to do with the column…I just want to say “Get the H outta here, Vernon Jones!!” You are everything Barack Obama is not, thank goodness!

Truthie: I don’t know about that, man, “office of the president elect” seems an awful lot like “CEO” to me.

Good luck with it, though.

By DB, Gwinnettian

November 18, 2008 12:00 PM | Link to this

Tcoach, for what it’s worth I read the summary Mr. Bookman posted this morning, and felt rather proud (or at least a bit relieved) to see that GA was not among the southern states whose white voters were less likely to vote for Obama in ‘08 than Kerry in ‘04. I see that as a sign that GA is becoming more colorblind, and willing to judge people on their merits.

Why you’d choose to pick fights with those who choose not to is a mystery to me.

By getalife

November 18, 2008 12:13 PM | Link to this

“A Democrat who fights back is as rare as a Republican with a soul.” Bartcop

By Ray

November 18, 2008 12:13 PM | Link to this

Election results….

GA 48% O 50% M NC 49% O 50% M VA 51%O 47% M MO 49%O 49%M MN 49%O 46%M ND 46%O 47% M

DC 82% O 13%M

Where do all of the bigots live?

By Abomi Nation

November 18, 2008 12:24 PM | Link to this

A similar poll was taken, by the AbomiGroup, from random Republicans the day after the election.

94% said the earth is 10,000 years old, and humans lived with dinosaurs.

91% didn’t know Sen Craig(R) Sen Vitter(R) and Sen Stevens(R) are still in office.

53% didn’t know Bush was once a cheerleader.

98% couldn’t find Iraq on a map.

89% Think Obama won’t get his security clearance.

96% Think Bush looked into Putin’s eyes and read his soul.

93% Of California Republicans thought God would send fire to California, like Sodom and Gomorrah, if they voted to allow gays to marry. (Strange, consevative/religious Orange County was set afire 10 days AFTER the election. Sounds like God is in favor of gay marriage.)

87% of all Republican men over 18 years of age know that “TapTap tappity taptaptap” means “is this stall taken?”

98% of all Republican men think they represent 99% of the population.

99.9% of all Republicans still think Republicans control the next Presidency, House and Senate. Its what they call their “center right” theory.

By tcoach

November 18, 2008 12:27 PM | Link to this

DB, I never said anything bad about the piece written by Bookman today. So not sure why you asked me if I read it today.

You ask me why I choose to pick fights.

Should I allow myself and other Georgians to be called racist? Look at the post, not Bookman’s piece.

There are many post in which Georgia voters or white Georgia voters are implied to be racist or bigoted.

There were some on here who did address the issue of GA not changing, one being Bookman. However there were more claiming to be ashamed or having a sly comment about GA’s racism.

Just wanted those who had expressed that outrage to tell us all what it was that enraged them.

You, I did not recall making a comment, either way. I believe your post to me was your first of the day.

So I guess I finish asking you the same question you asked me.

Why you’d choose to pick fights with those who choose not to is a mystery to me.

Cause I do not remember requesting a fight with you.

By DB, Gwinnettian

November 18, 2008 12:41 PM | Link to this

tcoach, not picking a fight with you, not at all. I’m basically pretty happy with my state right now.

I also recognize that trolls come in all shapes, sizes and ideologies. If someone wants to try to convince others that GA in 2008 is some festering cauldron of racial hatred, eh. Let ‘em try, is all I’m saying.

By AJC/DNC Management

November 18, 2008 12:42 PM | Link to this

A spokesperson for the US Mint tells me that gold coins in this country, for the past month, “are being allocated because of an increased demand.”

And the price that the government charges coin dealers has recently been increased by as much as 10 percent for a 10-ounce coin.

Robert Mish, a coin dealer in Menlo Park, Calif., says customers who want to purchase 200 gold coins often have to wait up to two weeks. Six months ago, he said, a purchase that size could have been filled immediately.

Gee, everyone is selling stocks and buying gold, almost as though in preparation of some catastrophic event.

I wonder what that could be, hmmmmm?

By Fly_on_the_Wall

November 18, 2008 12:42 PM | Link to this

Jay,

I think you should change the word ‘racist’ to ‘bigot’ and see if that changes the tone and discussion here. I think Jasin hit the nail on the head. It is a STRATEGY of the right and Republicans to play the ‘bigot’ card. So it doesn’t have to be race, it can be anything that they deem outside of their norm. Then they turn up the heat of their base so everyone of them can now be ‘outraged’ about whatever it is they’ve just been told is ‘true’. We’ve seen this since the ’60s and unfortunately it is still being used.

By southfulton

November 18, 2008 12:47 PM | Link to this

As a black man in and from rural Georgia, let me say that we haven’t completely healed and gotten over our fears and prejudices but WE’VE COME A LONG WAY. Just give us time. this newest generation that voted this year is the first generation that didn’t experience segregation.

By @@

November 18, 2008 12:47 PM | Link to this

Question, jay.

When will you and yours move beyond the race issue?

I often wonder, upon reading your columns, what is your point other than that of a needle.

Does it disappoint, that so many of the conservatives refuse to say “OUCH”?

Being from California, where the most tolerant of tolerance is embraced, I can’t help but marvel at the vicious backlash of gays against the California voter. Tis that kind of backlash that dulls the needle.

It’s not as though California’s voters haven’t already blessed domestic partner laws but it’s never enough, is it? Those little needles grow into political swords with which a minority will threaten violence.

Traditionalists en garde! against tyranny.

By Mrs. Godzilla

November 18, 2008 12:52 PM | Link to this

Swami Dave….

Push Poll:a seemingly unbiased telephone survey that is actually conducted by supporters of a particular candidate and disseminates negative information about an opponent.

From Random House dictionary

Sample Questions from Zogby survey:

Which of the four [candidates] said his policies would likely bankrupt the coal industry and make energy rates skyrocket?”

“Which of the four [candidates] started his political career at the home of two former members of the Weather Underground?”

“Which of the four [candidates] quit a previous campaign because of plagiarism?”

“Which of the four [candidates] won his first election by getting opponents kicked off the ballot?”

Before or after the election makes no difference.

Sorry, dude, that’s a bought and paid for push poll.

By tcoach

November 18, 2008 12:57 PM | Link to this

fair enough point db, i can respect that.

By DB, Gwinnettian

November 18, 2008 12:58 PM | Link to this

@@, I think “southfulton” @ 12.47 answered your question. We’ll move beyond the race issue when it isn’t a national issue any more.

It’s like the issue used to be on the front burner. Then we moved it to the back burner. With the Obama election, it’s on the counter, cooling.

It’ll take the next generation to get it into the fridge, and maybe the generation after that will look in the fridge some day and say “what’s that nasty old stuff still doing in there? Toss it!”

By mike hussein smith

November 18, 2008 1:21 PM | Link to this

Zogby Engages in Apparent Push Polling for Right-Wing Website

at fivethirtyeight.com

By Ray

November 18, 2008 1:27 PM | Link to this

DB,

The average teenager, regardless of race, has never experienced what SouthFulton is talking about. We in the South who are in our 60s and 70s experienced an entirely different upbringing in our teenage years and old feelings are slow to go away. We seemed to grow up in a society who believed that self-reliance, hard work and accountability were the secrets to success. I don’t think that a lot of us are too far wrong except that we inherited a culture of bigotry, racism and intolerance from our fathers and grandfathers to go with many principles that were, and are, pretty sound. I don’t think that it is too far past the curve to expect that some of those sound principles are practiced by all members of our society, regardless of race. I wouldn’t hold any of my fellow citizenry to any other standards than those that I have chosen for my children. Blame it on anything you want but walking back and forth over Edmund Pettis bridge is not going to bring black America into the 21st century. If Obama can demonstrate that he is up to healing the racial divide in this country, I will vote for him in 2012. And that’s a pretty far stretch for an old conservative. Stay tuned.

By Swami Dave

November 18, 2008 1:45 PM | Link to this

Ms Godzilla:

Good try, but no sale!

You interestingly only address the questions detailing negative information about Obama - avoiding their sampling references of questions about negative issues surrounding Palin. Likewise, you interestingly overlook the fact that the questions were multiple-choice in a knowledge-based interview format, not your standard “push poll” model.

-Were- it a push poll, they would not have asked: “Who did X?”, but would have instead asked: “It has been reported that such-and-so did X, do you feel that was a good decision?” To YOUR own definition, push polling is a method used to disseminate negative (or assumed negative) information, not interview their knowledge of it.

Sorry madam, but that’s a information-gathering poll judging the knowledge and awareness of voters (who have already cast their ballots). I understand that you and fellow Democrats dislike the results, but that, in no way, invalidates them.

For the record, the answers to the four that you mentioned were:

1) References a statement made by Obama that was attempted for use as an issue especially in coal-producing states. And yes, I do know that his actual comments were that they would go bankrupt under the policies, not that -HE- would specifically bankrupt them.

2) References a campaign event at the home of Bill Ayers and his wife.

3) References Biden for an event that derailed his Presidential bid.

4) References Obama’s first campaign for State Senator when he had Anne Palmer (the incumbent State Senator) and his other opposition removed from the ballot to allow him an unopposed run for the office.

-Swami Dave

By @@

November 18, 2008 1:51 PM | Link to this

We’ll move beyond the race issue when it isn’t a national issue any more.

With all due respect DB I don’t see that happening as long as it serves politicians and their party pundits.

I was doing some reading at an African American blogsite. The host, who is a highly educated and affluent African American, chides those among his own race who, in his words “refuse to take full advantage of opportunities offered.

I also recall an exchange I had with a blogger at Luckovich’s. Don’t know if he was gay or just a supporter. He was constantly referring to me AND other conservatives as homophobes. If I mentioned gay friends, he quickly accused me of parading them as a badge of honor. Those same gay friends were of the opinion that there was an element within their community that was hurting their cause with their flamboyant, risque displays in gay rights parades. I asked him if he could identify with how they feel ‘cause I sure could.

His answer was “NO! — that EVERYONE’S rights should be respected.”

I would argue that where one man’s rights begin, another man’s end — even when within the same shared interest.

Far be it from me to express my opinion since I am neither black or gay. When I try, I am often accused of being a racist…..a bigot…..or a homophobe. None of which come close to defining who I am.

It doesn’t bother me since my strengths are not dependent on an external force. I would even go so far as to say, I’m more than happy to watch others tear their own apart, incident by never-ending incident.

Just sittin’ on the sidelines ‘cause they’ve made clear that I’m not welcomed to play in their game.

By "The Corporal"

November 18, 2008 1:55 PM | Link to this

To Swami Dave

Wise words.

To Taxpayer

Don’t take it so personal. If the shoe fits wear it (or not). You may be fine but the unwashed Democrat masses voted in ignorance.

By Taxpayer

November 18, 2008 3:23 PM | Link to this

I’ve been away from my PC for a while and I see that Corporal is still playing change the topic until it works for him. Do you know the definition of infinity, Corporal. That’s how long it would take you to get that to work for you.

First, I don’t take anything personal when blogging anonymously. How could I do otherwise in such an impersonal setting. Second, I only wear shoes that fit otherwise I could end up with foot problems. Third, I don’t hang out with unwashed masses regardless of their political persuasion so I would not know if they voted in ignorance or otherwise. I am “fine” though.