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DEL.ICIO.USObamamania gets a bit unrealistic
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
I confess I hadn’t bought into the concern of those warning that Barack Obama might have become TOO popular, that the American public had unrealistic expectations of what he or anyone could accomplish under some very trying circumstances. It seemed to me that most people understood just how hard this was going to be, but maybe I was wrong ….
WASHINGTON (CNN) — At the start of a week that could see Barack Obama make his first Cabinet secretary announcements, a new national poll suggests that most Americans are confident that the president-elect will make the right decisions when it comes to picking those officials.
Forty-three percent of those questioned in a CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey released Monday morning are very confident that Obama will make the right choices, with 34 percent somewhat confident and only 23 percent not confident.
“Obama is having the kind of honeymoon that no president-elect has had in at least 30 years,” said CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. “It’s no surprise that Americans have a positive view of anything Obama might do — at least until he does something controversial.”
Personally, I’d place myself among the 34 percent who are “somewhat confident.” I’ve long thought Obama was the best candidate in the field, but believing him to be the best available does not mean you banish all doubts about how he’ll perform when the time comes. Nobody comes into that job prepared; nobody knows what might be thrown at you as you walk in the door, or even how you’ll react.
Howard Kurtz at The Washington Post has a good piece on Obamamania, including this gem of a quote:
“The adjectives tumble over one another. He is not only the handsomest, the best-dressed, the most articulate, and graceful as a gazelle. He is omniscient; he swallows and digests whole books in minutes; he confounds experts with his superior knowledge of their field. He is omnipotent.”
That was James MacGregor Burns in the New Republic in 1961, writing about John F. Kennedy. And as Kurtz points out, “soon afterward, Kennedy blundered into the Bay of Pigs debacle.”
Comments
By AJC/DNC Management
November 17, 2008 5:24 PM | Link to this
We’ll see how he wears that deep, bottomless economic recession around his neck.
For sure, the libs at the pinko media will babble on and on about how wonderful everything is, no matter how awful it gets.
By getalife
November 17, 2008 5:35 PM | Link to this
He picked a great Sec. of State
She will make Condi look real bad.
By "The Corporal"
November 17, 2008 5:37 PM | Link to this
Jay you never found one fault with him (although there were and are many) during the campaign. You said he had the answers to everything (even though he never answered tough questions and refused to do a press conference the last two months).
So, come 1/20 we Republicans expect an instant miracles on all fronts (domestic, economic, foreign, etc.) and if it doesn’t happen we will remind you all about it ……….. don’t worry.
By RW-(the original)
November 17, 2008 5:38 PM | Link to this
It really doesn’t matter what he actually does the cultlike worship will march on. As I noted down below he’s adopting Bush policies on fighting global jihad left and right, policies he himself demonized during the primary campaign. The media joined him in his outrage over detention policies, CIA interrogation techniques, and missile defense to name a few. Now that Obama’s on board with all these things he’s a great leader while Bush remains the devil incarnate.
By Republicans Killed America
November 17, 2008 5:45 PM | Link to this
The Republicans are the ones that believe in waiting for miracles to solve all their problems. Where’s that faith in your leader, Bush — the guy that is STILL president.
By "The Corporal"
November 17, 2008 5:48 PM | Link to this
To RW:
Sir, I am sure you know by now that the synonym for liberal is double standard. Whatever Obama says that Bush said is now holy. It’s like infallibility when the Pope speaks.
By sunshine and thunder
November 17, 2008 5:58 PM | Link to this
JAY
You wrote:
*I’ve long thought Obama was the best candidate in the field, but believing him to be the best available does not mean you banish all doubts about how he’ll perform when the time comes. *
How on earth could you possibly know that? Neither you nor any other “journalists” that I know of have examined his experience or anything else about his past.
But even if they have they have certainly not written about it.
Seems like the stock market is telling us the opposite from what it told us between November of 1994 and November of 1996 when it gain over 60% after Republicans took over congress.
Now it’s down over 30% since the democrats took over in November of 2006.
Must be all that there deeee regulation. Funny, I don’t think of Sarbanes-Oxley as deregulation.
By Abomi Nation
November 17, 2008 5:59 PM | Link to this
Its not so much worshipping Obama as it is worshipping the fact that Bush is leaving soon.
You could put a lipstick wearing pig up next to Bush right now and still get an all tingly, optimistic feel about the future.
By "The Corporal"
November 17, 2008 6:06 PM | Link to this
To AbomiNation from prior blog
You do err my son.
If he were a government employee he could in all probability not get a Top Secret clearance based on his associations and based on his admitted cocaine use he could not become a Secret Service agent.
However, since he was elected President that does not apply as he does not have to pass a security clearance as president.
Any other points you wish to make?
Corporal James
By "The Corporal"
November 17, 2008 6:08 PM | Link to this
To AbomiNation from prior blog
You do err my son.
If he were a government employee he could in all probability not get a Top Secret clearance based on his associations and based on his admitted cocaine use he could not become a Secret Service agent.
However, since he was elected President that does not apply as he does not have to pass a security clearance as president.
Any other points you wish to make?
Corporal James
By Midori
November 17, 2008 6:12 PM | Link to this
Its not so much worshipping Obama as it is worshipping the fact that Bush is leaving soon.
Can I get a “AMEN”
And the pig is looting the treasury on his way out.
By Tom
November 17, 2008 6:17 PM | Link to this
“Bush policies”?? Be serious. Policies from the deadened mind of a below-common drunk - and proven to be so. He and his cohorts have destroyed the nation, both nationally and internationally. This has been a “policy,” Little Man RW? No. Simply a crazed, out-of-control imbecile at the helm of a Ship Of Fools. And Bush, like all who supported and voted for him, will be permitted to crawl into their holes completely UNPUNISHED for the rapes they have committed. I would treat them…differently. Obama will follow none of the culpable GOP mistakes.
And who know, there might again one day be some pride in the current usage of the word, “American.” Not much to be prideful of these past 8 years. Look around you; and look at the world you have created. Creep.
By getalife
November 17, 2008 6:20 PM | Link to this
Amen
They should freeze the money left so he can’t steal it.
By Frederick Douglass
November 17, 2008 6:20 PM | Link to this
Dubya’s missteps are about like the recession we’re in, the bottom has yet to be realized. Obama would have to be the biggest screw up in the annals of mankind to top this train wreck. I still get a chuckle out of the WMD debacle, so much so, that I’ve burned my copy of Don Quixote.
By @@
November 17, 2008 6:23 PM | Link to this
I caught PrezE Obama on 60 Minutes last night without his teleprompter. A lot of uuhhhin’ and aahhhin’ but he did say he’d be willing to increase the deficit.
Are you agreeable to that?
I guarantee you he and the dems will bail out the auto industry. They owe the unions big time.
Oh! and the AP already has a scandal waiting in the wings.
Obama may have to bury his beloved blackberry
President-elect Obama has often been seen avidly checking his e-mail on his handheld equipment. This past summer, news cameras recorded him checking his BlackBerry while watching his daughter’s soccer game, only to have Michelle Obama slap at his hands, prompting him to return the device to its holster.
Actress Scarlett Johansson said she has had frequent e-mail exchanges with him during his campaign travels, something the Obama campaign downplayed.
But yet at Politico — After a particularly tough debate earlier this year, she congratulated him for “holding his ground” in one e-mail. He responded that the questioning was “difficult” and he was being pounded on “one silly question after another.”
Obama told Johansson his favorite performance was her role in “Lost in Translation.”
He’s a “huge movie lover” and “knows who every actor is,” she told Politico.
It’s that he said/she said thingy.
Anyhoo, I googled this Scarlett woman and in some photos she looks like JFK’s Marilyn.
By AJC/DNC Management
November 17, 2008 6:31 PM | Link to this
So much for all that whining about China and our children’s “futures:”
Majority Leader Hairy Reed, D-Nev., said he would hold a test vote this week on a broad economic aid plan - including spending on public works projects, aid to cash-strapped states, an extension of jobless aid, and the carmaker loans - that most now concede has virtually no chance of passing.
If that fails, he will seek a vote on the auto industry bailout and the unemployment benefits, Reid said. It could come as early as Wednesday.
And if that fails then he’ll just wait for January.
It’s almost like having Bushie around for 4 more years.
ew.
By sunshine and thunder
November 17, 2008 6:36 PM | Link to this
OH, and about those tax cuts for 95% of Americans
Would someone please enlighten me? How is letting the Bush tax cuts expire going to be spun as a tax cut? I know I don’t land in the above 250K crowd and I know that letting the Bush tax cuts expire will cost me an additional 4K a year.
Was I lied to? Well I didn’t vote for him and his Paul Begala economics.
By DB, Gwinnettian
November 17, 2008 6:45 PM | Link to this
43 percent being “very confident” might be a bit high, but Mr. Bookman, do consider the standard against whom the public have had to to judge the president-elect, for the past eight years.
When I do that, I’m pretty damned confident, too.
By Republicans Killed America
November 17, 2008 6:49 PM | Link to this
The Republican party just can’t go on this way. It’s time for a change, before it’s too late.
By Ray
November 17, 2008 6:57 PM | Link to this
Bookman,
You never had a single distaff comment for the Annointed One during the campaign. He could do no wrong. There you go, trying to be a journalist again.
By What does it mean to be a Republican
November 17, 2008 7:00 PM | Link to this
With a little faith and a whole lot of cash, we can work miracles. The Republicans just need to get back to basics.
By Class of "98
November 17, 2008 7:01 PM | Link to this
Am I the only one that is already tired of hearing Obama begin every answer to every question with “Look,…”???
He’s an empty suit. This is gonna be a disaster.
By pogo possum
November 17, 2008 7:13 PM | Link to this
President Olect Obama got some kinda’ force around him. I bet he could take away some of Briar rabbits persimmon trees and give them to me and my folk kind. Here in the Okeefenokee we have too many gators running around hogging the marsh lands, need to thin them out about 80% like so we can populate and vote more for Obama like folks. Heck cut out all dat Hawk, Osprey, and Eagle, monies and double the tax rate on Ol’ Briar Fox and weasel then me and my Swamp rat kin can have the whole darn place to ourselves and live like kings! Uhhum That’s what Im talking about. Change so we swamp possums get a fair shake in things!
By RW-(the original)
November 17, 2008 7:16 PM | Link to this
So how is it the 6:17 fits under the speech codes here?
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Now that the election is over it’s safe for the ACLU to look out for Joe the Plumber.
Of course, reacting then may have impacted how the public saw this abuse. Now that the election’s over, it’s much safer for the ACLU to actually protect the civil rights of Joe the Plumber from the Democratic government in Ohio. I guess they finally found their courage in the Age of Obama
By getalife
November 17, 2008 7:39 PM | Link to this
“HuffPost’s Pick
Hillary goes to the State Dept., Bill gets the Senate seat? Think of all the fun and watching the Republicans go nuts.”
Good times.
By ConsternationNation
November 17, 2008 7:46 PM | Link to this
“Land of Confusion” (the video link at 6:49) was Delaware Senator Joe Biden’s campaign song during his brief run for President in 1987.
By AJC/DNC Management
November 17, 2008 7:51 PM | Link to this
al-Gitmo: Bruno going SoS means that she will never be the president.
Happy days, indeed!
By TW
November 17, 2008 7:53 PM | Link to this
‘Unreal’ was ‘w’s eight year abortion of a presidency. One can only expect society’s gasp for fresh air to be of the same magnitude - thankfully in the opposite direction.
By Soixante huitard
November 17, 2008 8:02 PM | Link to this
I think Kurtz has it about right here:
We’re celebrating a moment as much as a man, I think,” says Newsweek Editor Jon Meacham, whose new issue, out today, compares Obama to Lincoln. “Given our racial history, an hour or two of commemoration seems appropriate. But there is no doubt that the glow of the moment will fade, and I am sure the coverage will reflect that in due course.
It is of course this PLUS the sheer fatigue with the passing of the Bush years.
By AJC/DNC Management
November 17, 2008 8:07 PM | Link to this
TW: In one years time, when America is mired in worse financial times than the Great Depression, when people are sleeping in the streets like dogs, the Bush presidency will fondly be remembered as “The Good Times.”
And there ain’t nothing you libs can do about it.
By Swami Dave
November 17, 2008 8:12 PM | Link to this
Jay:
Out of respect, I am not going to use the one phrase that an article like this would make someone like me say.
-Swami Dave
By **"The Corporal"**
November 17, 2008 8:12 PM | Link to this
To Mrs. G
Interesting question - I would really appreciate your response. This would make a great fiction movie, book, etc.
Let’s suppose someone is elected president. About a year into their presidency, irrefutable evidence is produced that they are not a U.S. citizen (remember, McCain had some problems here initally also). The U.S. Supreme Court rules as such but the president refuses to step down. The masses out there are becoming restless. The military is becoming restless. The Congress is mired in their usual duplicity.
What are your thoughts as to how this thriller of a movie should end?
By Mr Snarky
November 17, 2008 8:17 PM | Link to this
Jay, I’d say I’m with you in being “somewhat confident” mainly because hiring for those top jobs can’t be easy and you can’t know what’s coming. Obama seems to have the lack of ego that is needed though. If he’s seriously considering Hillary for SoS, he’s obviously not worried about others stealing the limelight.
By **"The Corporal"**
November 17, 2008 8:20 PM | Link to this
No Hard Feelings
The election day is over, The talking is done. My party lost, your party won. So let us be friends, Let arguments pass. I’ll hug my elephant, You kiss your a$$.
By Mr Snarky
November 17, 2008 8:25 PM | Link to this
Management, the only good thing about the W years is that they will soon be over. Reagan suffered a deep recession his first two years, but his reputation somehow survived. I’m glad I’m not a part of your sad little world.
By h ryder
November 17, 2008 8:33 PM | Link to this
Try to be unbiased. Just think of the possibilities if our current president not been confronted with 9-11 and its ramifications.
By Mr Snarky
November 17, 2008 8:34 PM | Link to this
I just watched the 60 minutes interview and have a big warm fuzzy going on. Makes me want to go wash some dishes.
By BDAtlanta
November 17, 2008 8:35 PM | Link to this
corporal is spouting off about clearances and admitted cocaine use, and whatever else he can pull from his arse.
What about Bush with his admitted alcoholism and extensive cocaine use and not showing up for his National Guard duty?
You amaze me! Good night and sweet dreams…I’m kinda betting you still believe in the Easter bunny.
By Mrs.Godzilla
November 17, 2008 8:35 PM | Link to this
JAY,
Did they say very confident of ALL choices being right?
No matter what the 23% think, 77% of us DON’T think he’s the messiah. We know he’ll be better than Bush (but the bar is set really, really low) and HOPE he’ll be the best yet.
Truth is, reality is something we have not seen in our government in eight years. So perhaps we should stop and take a deep breath before we decide what is unrealistic.
We CAN bring swift and effective change to this nation, IF we get past the fact that we are accustomed to slogging along in the dreggs. All of us can make swift changes in our own homes and businesses when required, together we can do it for our nation.
Just ‘cuz it was doesn’t mean it is.
We can make this nation better and we can do some of it quickly. Check your tin foil hat at the door dudes, bite the bullet, suck it up, hang tough, get with the program, be patient, grin and bear it, cope, stomach, suffer, swallow, weather and withstand…fasten your seatbelts, its’ going to be a bumpy ride. (5 tickets at least!)
This is America.
Yes, of course, we can.
Obama/Biden 2012
By Mike K.
November 17, 2008 8:38 PM | Link to this
Jay,
I think the word you’re looking for is Obasm…
It’s all about the “O”.
By Frederick Douglass
November 17, 2008 8:41 PM | Link to this
Will someone explain to me why a Doofus was allowed 8 years to “grow into the job” of POTUS? Why was the same comatose idiot given free reign to all but destroy a 230 year old plus nation, and he’s not considered an empty wardrobe? Lastly, why does being a right winger mean you have to take leave of your senses?
By Taxpayer
November 17, 2008 8:44 PM | Link to this
Corporal,
Try as you might, you simply are not bold enough to pull off that label. By the way, the only thing that elephant has done for the last eight years is leave big piles of dung lying around. It’s about time that the elephant and its followers started cleaning up after themselves or at least paying others to do their dirty work. Just keep that in mind when you get those increased tax bills. Your credit card has been canceled.
By AJC/DNC Management
November 17, 2008 8:45 PM | Link to this
The astonishing decline in revenues is without modern precedent here, but California is hardly alone. A majority of U.S. states - many with budgets already full of deep cuts and dependent on raiding rainy-day funds or tax increases - are scrambling to find ways to get through the rest of the year without hacking apart vital services or raising taxes.
Pick your poison, Obamahacks.
You reap what you sowed.
bwa
By Bunnie
November 17, 2008 8:46 PM | Link to this
Some of the comments here are beyond ridiculous and hateful.
I know you’re all mad that there’s a black guy in office, but get over it: McCain screwed up by picking a moron former beauty queen as a running mate.
By TW
November 17, 2008 8:48 PM | Link to this
DNC@8:07 - That sounds real good. But aren’t you the same one who said McSame was gonna win?
Thought so.
Still heven’t cracked the Webster to take a gander at ‘cerdibility’ yet, eh?
Guess not…snore…
By Class of '98
November 17, 2008 8:59 PM | Link to this
Bunnie…
Thanks for reminding me why I should never read posts written by someone that goes by “Bunnie”.
I’ll never make that mistake again.
Appreciate it.
By sunshine and thunder
November 17, 2008 8:59 PM | Link to this
BUNNIE
Hop along now, OK?
If you want to compare disdainful comments I’m sure your warm, fuzzy side of the isle will take the rotten cake.
By BITEME
November 17, 2008 9:02 PM | Link to this
Bunnie, I am sick of people like you who call others racist and hateful without a shred of evidence and who turn around and attack a sitting governor as a beauty queen moron. Either get relevant and civil or shut the h#$^% up and mind your own dang business. Do you actually have something to say or are you just writing to attack someone who is not running for office. I want to puke.
By AJC/DNC Management
November 17, 2008 9:03 PM | Link to this
By TW November 17, 2008 8:48 PM Still heven’t cracked the Webster to take a gander at ‘cerdibility’
Hey, I just looked up cerdibility in the Dictionary and lo and behold, there was a dimwit democrat pictured under the definition of “voted for the moron America hater.”
How about that?
You hit the big time, TW.
By TW
November 17, 2008 9:14 PM | Link to this
DNC@9:03 - I apologize for the typo. Guess now that Palin’s outta here I can take her pic of my screen and go back to typing with two hands.
God I’m gonna miss her :-)
By Greg Mendel
November 17, 2008 9:16 PM | Link to this
“If he were a government employee he could in all probability not get a Top Secret clearance based on his associations and based on his admitted cocaine use he could not become a Secret Service agent.” — The Corporal
He’s already a government employee. He’s a U. S. senator. I assume he admitted any youthful cocaine use (or use of other illegal substances) on his 17-J-5, maybe not. However, being an elected public official, he may have just taken office without question. Nobody (except Dan Rather) spent much time with George Bush’s records. Various accounts indicate that Bush’s records were “scrubbed,” “lost,” “damaged” or altered. Bush did publicly admit previous alcoholism, and hasn’t denied he was a drug addict. Have his classified clearance applications been released?
How did he get to be president of the United States if he honestly answered 17-J-5 and all the other requirements for a Top Secret security clearance?
I once had a Top Secret security clearance. (But, they won’t let me see top secret stuff anymore, since I voted Democratic in ‘72.)
By What does it mean to be a Republican
November 17, 2008 9:16 PM | Link to this
I see some things get the Republicans hopping mad around here. The truth hurts and some just get all mad as a hatter when confronted with it. Not to worry — the Bush reign of terror is almost over. Just hang in there and the Democrats will fix what ails you. Have faith now.
By getalife
November 17, 2008 9:18 PM | Link to this
Check out Drudge Andy
Beautiful.
You know with this no drama Obama term, you can let go of the hate man.
Like Jay said, try to keep it civil like no drama Obama.
Sweet.
By TV Junkie
November 17, 2008 9:26 PM | Link to this
I have been hearing what a disaster the Bush years have been all through this election cycle. Really? What disaster? If you think the USA has been a disaster, all I can say is you have led a charmed life, and have no idea what disaster really is.
All of this Obama adoration makes me think of a song David Crosby recorded, I think in the early 70s. It is called, “Laughing.” Check it out.
By T.J.
November 17, 2008 9:26 PM | Link to this
GETS a bit unrealistic? H3llfire Bookman, it was unrealistic from the get go but that didn’t stop the libral loons from voting their Obamania.
Our country is doomed.
By AJC/DNC Management
November 17, 2008 9:31 PM | Link to this
al-Gitmo: I have Drudge up 24/7, suppose you could clue me in on what you are so happy about?
Is it the new anti “global warming” movie?
Maybe Howard Kurtz saying that the press has fallen in love with Oblahmi and that journalism is on hold?
Could it be the one about unhappy people watch more TV, the same TV I hear you libs natter on endlessly about and that I never watch?
Perhaps it’s about Bruno being lured into the Oblahmi trap to keep her from running in 2012?
Do tell us.
By Greg Mendel
November 17, 2008 9:38 PM | Link to this
“I have been hearing what a disaster the Bush years have been all through this election cycle. Really? What disaster? If you think the USA has been a disaster, all I can say is you have led a charmed life, and have no idea what disaster really is.” — TV Junkie
I hope you have a job. And a few more lined up.
By AJC/DNC Management
November 17, 2008 9:41 PM | Link to this
By TV Junkie November 17, 2008 9:26 PM I have been hearing what a disaster the Bush years have been all through this election cycle. Really?
TV: What you’ve been “hearing” the last few years is a bunch of toadies regurgitating on cue all of the nonsense and hate that they have been preprogrammed with like little sycophantic robutts.
Do not despair over our ill treatment, there is no sense in pondering what could have been, nope, just look upon the next 4 years of your life as a chance to say that “payback is a mofo, ain’t it?”
They showed us how to do it, now get to work, trooper.
By TV Junkie
November 17, 2008 10:05 PM | Link to this
Greg @ 9:38 pm, Are you inferring that the current economic problems are the 8 years of disaster? A couple of problems with that: 1. We had a good economic run from about 02 to 06. And 07 the economic mess was just starting, so it wasn’t really good or bad. Prior to that we were recovering from the Clinton economic downturn, and 9/11/01. How is that 8 years? 2. The Dems in Congress were at least as much, and probably more to blame than any Republicans. This is not to say GWB is blameless, but certainly not totally to blame.
And does anyone know the song I mentioned in my earlier post? It really does fit with the Obama idol worship.
By Mr Snarky
November 17, 2008 10:06 PM | Link to this
What you’ve been “hearing” the last few years is a bunch of toadies regurgitating on cue all of the nonsense and hate that they have been preprogrammed with like little sycophantic robutts.
Dear Kettle, You’re black. Regards, Kettle
By Mr Snarky
November 17, 2008 10:07 PM | Link to this
What you’ve been “hearing” the last few years is a bunch of toadies regurgitating on cue all of the nonsense and hate that they have been preprogrammed with like little sycophantic robutts.
Dear Kettle, You’re black. Regards, Pot
By getalife
November 17, 2008 10:16 PM | Link to this
No silly. The headline.
PAPER: CLINTON TO ACCEPT
By Terrence
November 17, 2008 10:24 PM | Link to this
Are these the highly educated voters you libs keep bragging about?
By Call It LIke It Is
November 17, 2008 10:31 PM | Link to this
Hey Morons,
We are in this economic mess due to the Democrats and their bad mortage deals during the Clinton years.
Now, he has named some of these failed people as his closest advisors.
WAKE UP AMERICA AND GET OVER THIS IMAGE THING!
THIS GUY HAS NOT DONE A THING NOR WILL HE BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING FOR YOU.
H
By Call It LIke It Is
November 17, 2008 10:32 PM | Link to this
Hey Morons,
We are in this economic mess due to the Democrats and their bad mortage deals during the Clinton years.
Now, he has named some of these failed people as his closest advisors.
WAKE UP AMERICA AND GET OVER THIS IMAGE THING!
THIS GUY HAS NOT DONE A THING NOR WILL HE BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING FOR YOU.
HIS SOCIALIST WAYS OF GROWING GOVERNMENT IS NOT THE ANSWER!
By Greg Mendel
November 17, 2008 10:33 PM | Link to this
“Greg @ 9:38 pm, Are you inferring that the current economic problems are the 8 years of disaster?”
Yes. Added to the two wars and the destruction of the Constitution.
Sorry, I didn’t listen to your song. Songs don’t balance the budget, prevent invasions, pay the rent, or help you pay your doctor bill.
By Greg Mendel
November 17, 2008 10:39 PM | Link to this
Hey, Moron!:
It was stupid the first time you posted it.
By Greg Mendel
November 17, 2008 10:44 PM | Link to this
TV Junkie:
Sorry. Wasn’t calling you a moron.
By Soixante huitard
November 17, 2008 10:52 PM | Link to this
As if we needed another reason to be glad McCain didn’t win — witness him sitting stiffly in today’s press conference next to Obama, looking like a cat in a room of rocking chairs.
Where did the bright idea come from anyway that a ‘maverick’ would make a good president? That must surely go down not only as one of the worst political pitches in history - but one of the worst marketing/PR ideas ever.
The problem with mavericks is, they have a fatal flaw — they can’t feign joy when they’re feeling disgust. THEY CAN’T FAKE IT! Can you imagine the disaster McCain as president would have been in the many diplomatic situations he would have encountered?
All together now — lets thank our lucky starts this man did not become prez.
By Mrs.Godzilla
November 17, 2008 10:57 PM | Link to this
Yes sir, you betcha…
The Democrats caused this. The poor brown people caused this. The unions caused this. The commie pinko liberals caused this. The left wing media caused this. The moonbats on the intertubes caused this. The RINO’s caused this. The West Coast elite caused this. The East coast elite caused this. Are we missing anybody?
Oh yes.
We are missing the folks who caused this.
George Bush and his supporters caused this.
History will call this the 2nd Republican depression. Accept it. Own it. It’s yours. It belongs to all the GOP voters in this country.
23% of America does not agree with the rest of us, only a handful of them post here regularly - and I’m not particularly impressed by the lot of them.
It’s not Obamamania. It’s not about him, it’s about us.
It’s America-palooza.
By Swami Dave
November 17, 2008 11:00 PM | Link to this
More of what we already knew…..
http://howobamagotelected.com/
For the record, to the liberals who would contend that the “same thing could be done with McCain voters”, the producer has publicly challenged anyone to produce the same results (both for on film & 500 voter telephone poll by outside firm) using the same constraints. If successful, he stated that he would refund you double your production costs.
I won’t hold my breath…..
-Swami Dave
By Mr Snarky
November 17, 2008 11:03 PM | Link to this
Dear “Call it like it is”, I think we know who the moron is around here and I’ll give you a hint because I know you need it. HE TYPES IN ALL CAPS A LOT and blames bush’s problems on the party that has been out of power for the past 12+ years. He also probably thinks that not being a rabid nutso right winger makes someone a socialist. All of these are classic, clear signs of moronic stupidity.
Regards, The Snark
By "The Corporal"
November 17, 2008 11:07 PM | Link to this
To Mendel and BDAtlanta
Boy are you guys dense. Let me try to explain this one more time.
1) If you are a federal employee (or contractor) you have to pass a full background investigation for a T/S clearance if you want to have access to that type of information.
2) If you are elected to federal office (i.e., Senator or President) all bets are off. The President automatically has clearance because he is the President. He could have done anything! THERE IS NO BACKGROUND INVESTIGATION!!!
Now - I will restate my point.
Obama could not be a federal employee with access to T/S information because of his problem background (or a USSS agent) but he can have access to the same information as President.
Is this that difficult for you to understand?
In other words, (now follow this closely) the public elected a man to be President who could not have a T/S clearance if he were just a federal employee nor could he be a USSS agent due to his admitted cocaine use (which would have been developed during the polygraph anyway) ………..
Their decision and they will have to live with it …………..
By Algonquin J. Calhoun
November 17, 2008 11:10 PM | Link to this
it’s such a pleasure to read all the bitter, sad, vengeful comments of the Republinazi rabble. You have lost and you don’t get to decide a damn thing! Your candidate was weak and his running mate was an empty head and a full bra. Too bad maggots! president Obama gets handed a horrible mess by George W. Hitler but he’s up to dealing with it. Meanwhile, your party careens around looking for a leader and a direction. I have some direction to offer. Take your faux concern for life, your support of George W. Hitler, your disparagement of Obama’s abilities and go to hell!
By bj
November 17, 2008 11:12 PM | Link to this
I’ve heard it said that the first job of a newly elected president is to attempt to immediately lower the expectations of the people who elected him.
And Jay is “helping” as fast as he can!
By Mrs.Godzilla
November 17, 2008 11:14 PM | Link to this
Swami Dave
John Ziegler?
Rush wannabe. Is the barrel that empty?
We have O of O operatives under your bed and Zieglers too. Right now.
All operatives switch to alternate channel on my mark<<
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By Midori
November 17, 2008 11:19 PM | Link to this
How Bush Got sElected
By "The Corporal"
November 17, 2008 11:20 PM | Link to this
To Algonquin J. Calhoun
Ohhhhh Andy ……….
By "The Corporal"
November 17, 2008 11:22 PM | Link to this
To Mrs. G.
Are you ignoring me (8:12)? If so, just say so and you will hear from me no more .
By Soixante huitard
November 17, 2008 11:26 PM | Link to this
nor could he be a USSS agent due to his admitted cocaine use (which would have been developed during the polygraph anyway)
Which of course would have disqualified the sitting president (and perhaps several others) of the same clearance, no?
By Greg Mendel
November 17, 2008 11:28 PM | Link to this
“Boy are you guys dense. Let me try to explain this one more time.”
I’m following very closely. If Obama lied about, or admitted drug abuse, on his 17-J-5 — as federal job applicant, he wouldn’t be hired. But as an elected official, the standard 17-J-5 wouldn’t apply?
Why is that?
By Swami Dave
November 17, 2008 11:46 PM | Link to this
Ms. Godzilla:
So is that pg. 138 of your “Order of Obama” playbook?
Specifically: “When you are unable to address the context or point, attack or undermine the source.”
Dare I to expect that you have a point to make about the topic or should I just graciously accept your surrender? smile
-Swami Dave
By Soixante huitard
November 18, 2008 12:21 AM | Link to this
Greg Mendel asks: If Obama lied about, or admitted drug abuse, on his 17-J-5 — as federal job applicant, he wouldn’t be hired. But as an elected official, the standard 17-J-5 wouldn’t apply?
Why is that?
Could it be for the same reason we’re not governed by some kind of administrative class? Or from some supposedly virtuous ecclesiological body?
That would be because in this system neither birth nor tradition nor religious virtue determines who sits at the top - only the will of the electorate, right? And that person - a citizen - will be distinguished but shall not be required to satisfy some abstract definition of virtue - in fact he can even be a common sinner.
I think you’re right, Greg. Good point.
By "The Corporal"
November 18, 2008 12:30 AM | Link to this
To Soixante huitard
SS Agent - you are correct. Bush, Clinton, Obama, et al (and probably most of their staffs).
T/S Clearance - debateable (if that was the only thing).
To Greg Mendel
As a federal employee, he still might be hired (depending on the job) if he didn’t lie about it. However, his “associations” and financial dealings (that house thing) would probably keep him from the T/S clearance.
As to your “why is that” question, I don’t make the rules. It’s just the way it is for politicians vs. federal employees. For example, Judge Hastings was impeached as a Federal judge years ago but he was still elected to Congress and was able to serve. There are many examples of that. A convicted felon could not get a T/S clearance as a federal employee but he could be elected to Congress. Heck, Congress is full of felons. Go figure.
However, the cocaine use would keep him from becoming a Secret Service agent. The agency is small as agencies go and they can afford to be that selective. They have plenty of highly qualified applicants that didn’t do drugs.
By Greg Mendel
November 18, 2008 12:52 AM | Link to this
“As a federal employee, he still might be hired (depending on the job) if he didn’t lie about it. However, his “associations” and financial dealings (that house thing) would probably keep him from the T/S clearance.” — The Corporal
Actually, I specifically asked about form 17-J-5.
There is no such form. I made it up. As a long-time Secret Service employee (several administrations, you’ve claimed), you’d be intimately familiar with security clearance forms, I’d think, being required to renew your clearance periodically. The actual form is called — well, I’m sure you know.
By Frederick Douglass
November 18, 2008 1:23 AM | Link to this
Great comments Mrs. Godzilla @ 10:57. The only thing I’d add, is the fact that 77% of us are fed up with the hatred.
By AJC/DNC Management
November 18, 2008 5:34 AM | Link to this
Now is when we need a president who has the skill, the vision and the courage to cut through this cacophony, pull us together as one nation and inspire and enable us to do the one thing we can and must do right now:
Go shopping.-Urinal/DNC
It’s going to be a blast watching the Bush third tern unfold before our very eyes, except this time, thankfully, we don’t have to defend it.
This time we get to whine and moan about it.
bwa
By drew
November 18, 2008 6:09 AM | Link to this
I know I shouldn’t be enjoying this, but it just lifts my heart to read these blogs every morning and chuckle at the idiocy of AJC/DNC, The Corporal, etc.,(BTW, where’s my girl Dusty?), and their ilk. It sends me out the door each day with a smile on my face. What a bunch of whiny-azzes. BWAH!
I don’t know how successful Obama will be (especially with the mess he’s inheriting), but I do know that he ain’t Bush, and for now at least, that’s enough.
By cc
November 18, 2008 6:21 AM | Link to this
this Bush-Republican administration signed a new Iraq security deal yesterady that is the beginning of the beginning of troop witdrawal, now isn’t that just plain cutting and running? isn’t that what they would call it if anyone else did it?
By AJC/DNC Management
November 18, 2008 6:30 AM | Link to this
By cc November 18, 2008 6:21 AM this Bush-Republican administration signed a new Iraq security deal yesterady that is the beginning of the beginning of troop witdrawal, now isn’t that just plain cutting and running?
Being a lib and all, I realize that you have no idea what is going on in Iraq so allow me to help out-
It’s called victory, homeboy.
Duh.
By GodHatesTrash
November 18, 2008 6:31 AM | Link to this
Ms. G.
Targets acquired. Systems go.
Level Orange until 20 January 2009 12:01 PM.
Cons - hold on to your tinfoil hats…
By Rebel4ever
November 18, 2008 7:06 AM | Link to this
Classic good-cop (Obama) and bad-cop (Bush). Their goal and agenda will be the same - but the people will blindly follow Obama right off the cliff. I am impressed with those in control - this was quite an impressive way to get the people back in line. Watch how Obama leads us to invade Iran and watch how the people cheer. Watch how Obama continues with Bush’s executive orders and continues to take away our basic rights and watch the people cheer. The people have found their new messiah.
Watch what you ask for - you just might get it.
By AllHogwash
November 18, 2008 7:29 AM | Link to this
To: getalife You are sadly misinformed. Obama has not yet picked a Secretary of State. While it is true that he might have offered the job to Hillary Clinton, it is also true that she has not accepted his offer.
What else can I say? Get your facts right before you “liberally” blog about the President-Elect. Also remember that he can do absolutely nothing to implement his grandiose plans to break the bank and/or collect huge tax increases from “the rich” until he takes the oath of office in January.
By leni
November 18, 2008 7:32 AM | Link to this
O,You Can’t Scare Me, I’m Stickin with the Union,————————————oooops! 1963
By Mrs. Godzilla
November 18, 2008 7:41 AM | Link to this
corporal
didn’t mean to ignore you at 8:12…..was grouting.
how would the fairy tale end?
I suppose the candidate would click the heels of his florshiem size 12’s, chanting there’s no place like the White Home, there’s no place like the White Home….while the Wizard floats back to Kansas in a balloon.
swami dave
Nope, not from the playbook, just simple logic and part of a fair fight. I wouldn’t take disaster relief advice from Brownie, marriage advice from McCain or Clinton or political advice from Andy.
I DO consider the source, don’t you?
By G
November 18, 2008 7:56 AM | Link to this
We’ve had such a nitwit in the office of President for the last 8 years that maybe we are being unrealistic about President-elect Obama. I mean, Obama actually has a brain.
I must confess, I hate liking public figures too much.
Typically, I think there is no way we can actually see the person through all the coaching/focus group training/and manipulative speaking.
I like to think I can see through the crap.
With Obama, I either have bought the packaging of his image or he is the real deal.
I sincerely hope it is the latter.
By Suffering Cats
November 18, 2008 8:01 AM | Link to this
Doesn’t make any difference what he does or how he performs over the next four years. Just like the local morons who elected Andy Young, Bill Campbell, and Shirley Franklin mayor twice each, the morons nationally will re-elect Obama again in 2012. If he manages to get term limits abolished or simply pulls a Hugo Chavez, they can have him for life. American’s have lost the will to think for themselves.
By mister.earl
November 18, 2008 8:01 AM | Link to this
Obama 08
The young man is two months from taking office and the hate has started already.
People simply resent the idea of change. Period.
Meanwhile, the AJC pushes Obama t-shirts to profit off the sale of his image.
By mister.earl
November 18, 2008 8:07 AM | Link to this
The Plain Truth
Suffering Cats has it nailed
“Doesn’t make any difference what he does or how he performs over the next four years”
Translation: “I will find a way to hate him, no matter what he does in office”
By Suffering Cats
November 18, 2008 8:15 AM | Link to this
No, Earl, it’s you I’ll hate for the next four years.
By mister.earl
November 18, 2008 8:17 AM | Link to this
Just to make you more angry than you already are, here he is - your Next President of The United States:
“As soon as I take office, I will call in the Joint Chiefs of Staff, my national-security apparatus, and we will start executing a plan that draws down our troops,” Obama said.
“Particularly in light of the problems that we’re having in Afghanistan, which have continued to worsen, we’ve got to shore up those efforts.”
“There’s no doubt that we have not been able yet to reset the confidence in the financial markets and in the consumer markets and among business that allow the economy to move forward, forward in a strong way,” Obama said.
“And my job as president is to make sure that we restore that confidence.”
By CherokeeDave
November 18, 2008 8:20 AM | Link to this
JB:
I’m old enough to have seen the liberal institutional historians and media elitist make every attempt to rewrite history to fit their social agenda’s. The Civil Rights Movement comes to mind with how so many events were actually distorted from the real facts to make the movement a success in the public arena. Example: St.Augustine had already removed all their segragation laws off the city books by 1957 and was one of the most progressive city’s in Florida at the time. Instead of celebrating the city’s achievements, outsiders who thought they knew better, ignored those facts and built lies about the events that unfolded, including Atlanta’s own Andrew Young. The locals were struggling with “personal property rights” issues and what the laws should be doing to protect those rights but played on half truths about supposed imbedded or community racism. What will the black power groups think should those protected FBI files open in 2025 and may or may not confirm MLK as having taken major funds from communist groups. Right now, your profession is bound and determined to make “Camelot” come alive again under the Obama presidency; Camelot was a fairy tale that never really existed but was fabricated by your very industry. It sold a lie and the people bought until JFK’s personal life unfolded 25 years later. What do these stories mean in current events; will the media and institutional historians be TRUTHFUL AND FAIR should Barack fail or fall on his face. Or will the various information outlets, including yours, do everything to insure that the first black president be “rewritten” into some grand success story into the history books “at all costs”. Will the next 4 years be like events that unfolded in the 50’s, 60’s and 70’s and be historically revised for some liberal grand social cause. We can almost hear the conversations going in the AJC’s editorial boardroom with Ms. Tucker leading the discussion: “For the sake of the African American self esteem and young african american men looking for the right role model, we just can’t have this black president fail. It will kill that development.” The biggest losers these past 16 years has been the media and the American people. Your profession has no character when communicating the truth and the American people continue to buy it. Example: Bush’s Approval Rating is always splashed on every screen with the lowest historically at 24% but we never get a lead story stating that Congress’s rating of 14$. It is always buried page 14 just past the comics. Your profession has sunk so low that it kind of makes you wonder what YOUR approval ratings would be.
By mister.earl
November 18, 2008 8:24 AM | Link to this
Suffering Cats - I understand completely. It is much easier to feel comfortable with someone you would like to have a beer with, or watch a football game. Unfortunately the President will be required to think on a much higher level. and we all know -
Intelligence can feel intimidating.
“It’s my belief that we need to provide assistance to the auto industry. But I think that it can’t be a blank check,” Obama said.
Watch and learn
B