Jay Bookman

By Mr Snarky

November 14, 2008 1:18 PM | Link to this

Because bush says it is. Which is no real reason at all.

By getalife

November 14, 2008 1:25 PM | Link to this

Hit the undo button on everything w did.

By Midori

November 14, 2008 1:30 PM | Link to this

Getalife,

did you know the moron is still trying to destroy us via new regulations before he gets out of Dodge?

trying to weaken rules that govern clean drinking water, etc.

I’ve never in my life seen a bigger loser than Bush.

By Jose

November 14, 2008 1:31 PM | Link to this

It is a much cheaper investment to have a deterent than to fight an agressor on someone else’s soil. We need to remember the lessons of WWI, WWII, and the Cold War. History for some seems to have begun on January 20, 2001.

By Eric1

November 14, 2008 1:31 PM | Link to this

Good question. Easy answer: it’s not.

By Mort Merkel

November 14, 2008 1:32 PM | Link to this

Because the Europeans won’t pay the American military contractors those billions for this profit center they dreamed up.

The U.S. government is owned by the military/energy industrial complex and I pray that begins to change.

I also saw an economist on TV the other night who said that the current situation may scare individuals into the previously admired ways of living within our means and saving for the future. Holy cow, if that happens, might our economy be “right sized,” rather than proceeding with the terminal, headlong, Madison-Avenue-fueled-debt-train-over-the-cliff we’ve had for years now?

By bubbatech02

November 14, 2008 1:37 PM | Link to this

jay, if the answer were this simple, you could have a real job at a real paper. unfortunately, it is not. i also love it when you make blanket statements like many of the euro dont want protection. who are they? as reported by the washington post, most eastern european countries WANT the shield, knowing how crazy and unstable russia is right now.

get your facts straight, jay. oh wait, you work for this crap paper. you dont need facts as long as it is anti-bush. btw, thanks to Cynthia for her embarrasing interview the other day. she made all of us in the south look like idiots.

By Mrs. Godzilla

November 14, 2008 1:39 PM | Link to this

Because spending really big money on things that go BOOM is more satisfying to some sick b******* than feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, sheltering the homeless, educating our children, providing health care to the sick, allowing our seniors to retire with dignity, having a safe food chain, keeping our air and water clean, maintaining our infrastructure, …….

But alot of that changes 1/20/09.

God’s been keeping her eye on us!

By AJC/DNC Management

November 14, 2008 1:41 PM | Link to this

This is how it works with Europe and we have examples of it all through history, my man-

The Euroweenies will flex their scrawny muscles at their neighbors and whine; this in turn causes the neighbors to invade them. The US is called on to rescue their as-ses, usually at a great cost of our brave soldiers because the armies of the Euroweenies by that time have thrown down their weapons and ran. Liberals like Tom Brokaw look fondly back upon times like these because we lost hundreds of thousands of troops instead of just 4500 like in Iraq, which Tom hates.

Not enough dead Americans, I guess.

I do not expect you to know things like this, kookman, because you are a pinko same as the Euroweenies are.

So go ahead on and bray at Iran with your scrawny muscles, we’ll rescue you.

By citizen

November 14, 2008 1:43 PM | Link to this

I heard the new economy will be called ‘The Great Repression”

By dem bones

November 14, 2008 1:44 PM | Link to this

it’s not, but somebody has to be proactive in this world.

because the lefty euorpeans won’t do it.

neither will the american lefties.

they will just complain about it while they sit on their rears and watch the world go by.

By artatlarge

November 14, 2008 1:44 PM | Link to this

Well, WHY SHOULD it be our job, and our expense to protect Europe from Iranian missiles? Europe will be capable of doing this for themselves, if they want to. If not, that’s their decision. The whole idea seemed to be geared toward the Russians anyway; otherwise, the missile defense base would be in Iraq or Israel. George Bush ruins all that he touches; after 8 years, I can only think of 2 ideas of his that I like. There is the AIDS initiative in Africa, and even that has strings attached regarding contraceptives; and the protection of vast areas of underwater reefs. That’s it…two. Given Incurious George’s track record, we should just reverse course on all his decisions. Too bad it’s at least 4 years too late, if not 8. The Supreme Court that stopped the Florida recount in 2000 sure handed us a prize, didn’t they?

By John

November 14, 2008 1:45 PM | Link to this

Good point Jay. While you’re at it,

Why is it our job to feed third world countries?

Why is it our job to end world poverty?

Why is it our job to help stop AIDS?

By Tommy Maddox

November 14, 2008 1:50 PM | Link to this

Why all the worry? The new president is going to sit down and talk with all the bad guys and they are going to put away their weapons and not kill any more people. Truly remarkable.

Enjoy - that’s what’s coming - then you all can complain about the aftermath as being the fault of someone else.

By getalife

November 14, 2008 1:51 PM | Link to this

Midori,

He set the standard on evil.

Sarkozy Chides Putin On Tough Talk: “You Want To End Up Like Bush?”

Sad but glad he is over.

By dave

November 14, 2008 1:54 PM | Link to this

Jay - Because doing so is in the best interest of our national security. Is that really so hard for you “progressives” to understand?

By bt02

November 14, 2008 1:59 PM | Link to this

well, like john said. lets not just stop at protecting the safety of the europeans (and again, they WANT us there), but also the health. lets stop all world health initiatives. stop funding the UN. Stop sending money to allies overseas. Stop every dollar from leaving these shores and only spend it in the US. f* the rest of the world. they can feed their own darned hungry, heal thier sick, and protect themselves. we dont give a crap if they die as long as welfare moms can keep having babies to increase their welfare and we can keep bailing out the unions for more votes.

By G

November 14, 2008 2:05 PM | Link to this

We should not install the missile defense system in Europe unless the European countries pay for it.

No more free military protection for the world unless they are willing to pay for it.

Our military should not be paying rent to have our bases on their soil either.

The US could enjoy the economic benefits of having these bases here.

The US is basically broke.

By AJC/DNC Management

November 14, 2008 2:10 PM | Link to this

San Franfreako-

A senior aide to Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) was fired from his post last week after he was charged with distributing and receiving child pornography. According to an FBI affidavit, an unnamed person “distributed more than 600 files containing graphic images and movies of child pornography to an undercover detective that [the person] believed was a 13-year-old boy”-WaPo

I know, I know, it’s O.K. unless you tell other people not to do it, right, liberals?

Sickos.

By LOLO

November 14, 2008 2:10 PM | Link to this

Because the missle defense system is not only to protect our allies and interests in Europe but as a first step in a preventative defense system that we will set up globally (inclding on ships and satellites) to protect our soil as well. We cannot affford to let Iran successfully launch missiles into Europe and then get progressivly better at this to the point where they can send one to our shores.

Secondly, your point about European countires not wanting us there is not entirely true. While the people of these countries may see imperialism (that’s why better relations should be fostered via diplomacy), the leaders certainly want security guarantees while nile not proclaiming to want help from the US so as to not upset their populations.

Lastly, it is also a defense against the ultra-agressive Russians in their quest to regain old Soviet bloc territories and control the world’s energy supply via physical aquisiiton and price controls over Europe, thus destabilising Europe’s and then the world economy whereby the Russians would be particulalry insulated.

By Ron Mexico

November 14, 2008 2:11 PM | Link to this

All I have to say is after 4 years of the big “O”, you are going to have to sleep in the bed that you made. When Russia decides that Europe is theirs, no one else is going to come save Europe. A good offense is sometimes the best defense. All you pant-hugging Obamabots are about to get your fill of European weenie-ism. Russia doesnt care how hard you negotiate, force is the only thing Putin understands.

By mm

November 14, 2008 2:15 PM | Link to this

Because it’s another government handout for the defense contractors run by wingnuts and defended by wingnuts.

Notice the wingnut answers to your question Jay.

“Eeewww, I’m scared.”

If they want the missiles, they should pay for them. If they don’t want them, they should pay the consequences.

By Peadawg

November 14, 2008 2:15 PM | Link to this

Jay, I couldn’t agree with you more. It’s just like helping other starving/poor countries. We have so many poor, starving, jobless people right here in America. Let’s help them first, then go overseas.

By Peadawg

November 14, 2008 2:18 PM | Link to this

The French don’t like us unless they are getting invaded and need our help.

By Randy

November 14, 2008 2:19 PM | Link to this

No one can say you and Pat Buchanan disagree on everything.

By Rufus

November 14, 2008 2:21 PM | Link to this

In order for a ballistic missile to fly from Iran to the U.S., it has to pass over Europe. Wouldn’t it be better to intercept it there than here? There’s a benefit for Europe and for us. If we shut down our European bases, they won’t magically reappear in the U.S. They’ll just go away along with most of the military folks occupying them. Then our military will look a lot like it did before 9/11.

By LOLO

November 14, 2008 2:33 PM | Link to this

It’s funny how the progressives find a “it’s not our job” mentatility when its Bush’s idea but yet they want us to sign the bogus Kyoto accords to save the nonexsitant global warming consequences in Antartica, donate billions of dollars to AIDS support in Africa, and bequeath hundreds of billions more to the world body of the UN.

If you want to support a non-intervenionist platform, at least don’t sound like a kid only the playground who was told that nobody wanted them in their group. At least put forth a very strong policy of national defense at home and tell the other countries who perceive us as the enemy to enjoy their nuclear winter. Just saying, “but they don’t want us there” and running home leaves us, the United States, vunerable.

By Think

November 14, 2008 2:36 PM | Link to this

It is our job because we do not want every power in the world developing an ever increasingly powerful military.

Spending money now will save us lives and even more money if we ever have to really go to war(think WW1 &WW2). This has been our policy since the end of WW2. We police the world so that others don’t have to. It is clear that the rest of the world powers trust us to do this by the fact that none of them have a blue water navy. They don’t even try to project power all over the world.

By Dusty

November 14, 2008 2:39 PM | Link to this

Well, Ms. godzie, still spouting the old lib line on feeding the poor, educating the chillun, etc. etc. We have always tried to do that under any circumstance.

We did before and looked the other while Europe turned into a busy gas chamber. Only HOW MANY MILLIONS DIED IN THE HOLOCAUST while we took care of ourselves?

We hope Russia’s history has changed. That Putin is going to lead more democratically than Stalin who killed more Russians than persons killed in the Holocaust. Now Putin removes more and more of Russian freedom and moves against small states like Georgia.

We do not wish to go to war AGAIN to save Europe and the UK. But after them, we would be next on the to-do list of conquerors. As has been said here, deterent is better than war.

Isolationism will not work for long no matter the reasons for it. No place in the world is “isolated” anymore. Putin knows that. So does George W. Bush.

By I'm With Stupid

November 14, 2008 2:43 PM | Link to this

You are right, Jay! It will be much cheaper and easier to clean up the world after a limited nuclear arms exchange (assuming that it doesn’t spiral out of control and become a worldwide, thermonuclear holocaust) than to try to build & deploy technology to deter such an incident.

By JackLeg

November 14, 2008 2:43 PM | Link to this

I have seen Mr. Godzilla, he is a brainless lizard that stops on buildings, but he is much smarter than his wife. The reason we put missile defense over there is because we have protection treaties with those nations that are our allies. But liberals don’t need allies, or do they? 50 Billion, which is chump change compared to what we are giving the same rich people that have already proven that they don’t know what they are doing. It is the same amount of money the auto industry wants to prop up the UAW. It is the duty of the children to take care of their parents, not the government, I take care of mine. How about the poor people in America, they drive a 10 year old car, have a cell phone and cable TV; the truth is if you are poor in America it is because you chose to be.

By ron

November 14, 2008 2:45 PM | Link to this

Dear Jay,and Dear Mrs. Godzilla,——-Mrs. Godzilla has it right.We like to hear thngs go BOOM!!!—- We like to hear things go BOOM——over there.I would like to see the first line of defense in the country,Georgia,than the state,Georgia.

By og

November 14, 2008 2:46 PM | Link to this

Meet Jay Bookman, how can one man be so wrong, so often, about so many different things?

Of all the columns of yours I have read I have as yet to see you make a correct statement about ANYTHING!

By Mrs. Godzilla

November 14, 2008 2:47 PM | Link to this

Thankfully the blow-em-up crowd has FAILED to be re-elected.

La la la la la…….

By Goldie

November 14, 2008 2:48 PM | Link to this

We serve as a back-up to our allies in Europe… if they build their own missile defense systems and ask the U.S. for a stake in reinforcements, shouldn’t Congress discuss the extent of any U.S. involvement?

By mm

November 14, 2008 2:51 PM | Link to this

Mrs. G,

They still don’t quite grasp the reason the lost the election. With them, it’s business as usual.

By Jeff

November 14, 2008 2:52 PM | Link to this

liberals are the first to want to gut the military and spend no money at all (Jimmy Carter?) and then you cowards are the first to scream when you are threatend “why is the US not protecting me” It has always amazed me the amount of people in this nation that has never picked up a weapon and stood a post in the US armed forces but feel they have the right to be critical of those who protect them.. But it is a free country, until The left wingers make it a socialest country, and then none of you will be able speak your mind because you will be arrested.

By just me

November 14, 2008 2:52 PM | Link to this

I hate to disagree with you, Jay, but we probably owe it to Europe since we owe them almost as much money as we owe the Chinese.

By Doggone/GA

November 14, 2008 2:58 PM | Link to this

“I hate to disagree with you, Jay, but we probably owe it to Europe since we owe them almost as much money as we owe the Chinese”

Ok…then let’s repay the debt and let THEM spend it on whatever defenses they think they need.

By AmVet

November 14, 2008 2:59 PM | Link to this

One of the more encouraging things about reading some of these post-election posts is that it is amazingly obvious that the flat-earth “conservatives” have such a profound disconnect between what they proffer and current realities.

I suppose that is the result of sleeping through high school and inadequate critical thinking skills.

This bodes well that the unable to evolve neo-cons are rapidly going extinct.

Another election or two should do it…

By Mrs. Godzilla

November 14, 2008 3:04 PM | Link to this

AMVet

Here’s a big AMEN to your 2:59

By Mort Merkel

November 14, 2008 3:06 PM | Link to this

“picked up a weapon and stood a post in the US armed forces but feel they have the right to be critical of those who protect them”

– Why Col. Nathan R. Jessup, your movie quotes are showing. Jay mentioned nothing about “gutting the military,” or spending “no money.” He rightly questions why the U.S. taxpayers should pay for a missle shield for Europeans?

I say if they want it, sell it to ‘em. If not, put that money into our own protection, or give it back to taxpayers. Questioning questionable spending, whether on the military or any other government function is neither liberal nor conservative – it’s exercising good citizenship. You just have to be an American to do it, veteran or not.

By Greg Mendel

November 14, 2008 3:08 PM | Link to this

It’s our job for the same reason Bush decided it was our job to invade Iraq. We claimed we were enforcing a United Nations resolution. The UN didn’t want a rogue nation enforcing its resolution, but we did it anyway — because George Bush and his neocons wanted to invade Iraq no matter what.

Bush wanted to invade without even consulting the UN, but Powell persuaded him to apply the figleaf of going through the motions. That led to inspections to find Iraqi WMD, which weren’t finding anything, but Bush was determined to invade, regardless. The inspectors had to leave because Bush was about to attack.

Any missile defense shield is as about as reliable as a lottery ticket, but it’s a source of Republican handouts. Also, by putting it next to Russia, Bush is begging for another Cold War, if not a hot one.

Bombs, nuclear or not, are unlikely to be delivered by ballistic missiles against Europe or the United States. Such attacks are much more likely to be smuggled-in weapons. That’s why fighting terrorists really is more like police work than military operations.

Certain European countries have nuclear weapons. Any country who attacks them will get a shower of nukes back.

But, don’t worry, wingnuts. Your Commander Codpiece will leave us another war before he slinks back to Crawford. Cheer up! As always, somebody else will do your fighting and dying, while you play armchair Caesar on a blog.

By TW

November 14, 2008 3:08 PM | Link to this

I suppose that is the result of sleeping through high school and inadequate critical thinking skills.

Well said, AmVet. Fits perfectly with Simple Sarah, as she is the introductory paragraph of an essay without the rest of the paper - cover art, at best…a $150k paint job on a car that won’t start.

Hopefully, however, our conservative friends will eventually quit licking their wounds and return to the table with a dialogue worthy of our great nation.

By Mort Merkel

November 14, 2008 3:11 PM | Link to this

And, by the way, Jeff. Col. Jessup was an accessory to murder, aka, the bad guy.

By Armyguy

November 14, 2008 3:14 PM | Link to this

It’s called “NATO”….if they get attacked, we are obligated to go to war.

It’s also called “deterence”.

And not just against the Iranians.

By Mrs. Godzilla

November 14, 2008 3:21 PM | Link to this

Does NATO require we build things that go BOOM in other countries?

I don’t think so…..

By what the heck

November 14, 2008 3:22 PM | Link to this

I have to wonder if Ms. Godzilla, Midori, getalife and Snarky and Kookman think we should also just stop sending our money over to help with anything. You all are the ones saying we should support Obama and apparently think he’s going to perform miracles on 1-20-09. We will see about that doubtful though. Yet you want to continually dog Bush as though everything he says or does is wrong. Until Obama has actually taken office and shown what he is or can do we shouldn’t praise him. I don’t agree with everything that Bush has done and I’m sure I won’t agree with everything that Obama does. But hey isn’t that the way it is….very few people agree with anyone on everything.

By TN Gelding

November 14, 2008 3:24 PM | Link to this

It isn’t.

And it certainly merits review. But it could end up being money well spent.

We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security.

~Dwight D. Eisenhower

By Joey

November 14, 2008 3:32 PM | Link to this

Way to go Jay. Once again your brilliance points to a solution not just for the US but for the world.

If our elected leaders follow Jay’s advise and determine that it is not our obligation, responsibility, or duty to help defend and protect our allies, then there is butone choice. Withdraw! Withdraw everyone/everything. Bring everyone and everything home. Missles, tanks, jeeps, planes, bombs, and especially our men and women. Bring them home from everywhere.

Yeah. That’s the ticket.

By AmVet

November 14, 2008 3:33 PM | Link to this

TW, it is noteworthy that the once-maverick, once respected RINO (who correctly said of Six deferment Saxby’s attack on Cleland, “It is worse than disgraceful. It is reprehensible”) is NOW openly hugging the contemptible Saxby and battling on his behalf.

A shameful vacillation and the final exclamation mark on the end of an awful performance. And in retrospect, it is immensely satisfying to know that this man and his vapid beauty queen will not get anywhere near the Oval Office…

By Bosch

November 14, 2008 3:34 PM | Link to this

In my opinion, it isn’t our job to police the world, or protect it, but this is kind of a gray area.

No, I don’t think it is our job to set up this missile defense system, but the real reason is why do we think we need one?

Do we really believe that Russia or Iran or China or any other country will carry out an attack on a European country? If so, then we need to address the problem of why they would feel so inclined to do so.

That’s what European countries do, they are not trigger happy like we are because they have more at stake - say, like their asses are within firing range.

Once we become more independent on oil and other energy, and other “stuff” the rest of the world and not have so much “debt” owed, it will make us a stronger nation and a stronger ally.

By Mrs. Godzilla

November 14, 2008 3:36 PM | Link to this

what the heck

answers

2.No, he will lead. Under that leadership America will perform miracles. You could too.

You too could be a voice of hope.

By Bosch

November 14, 2008 3:36 PM | Link to this

Another thought,

Like I said earlier, it isn’t our job to protect the world, but we sure as hell begged and/or demanded the rest of the world come help us when we went into Iraq.

By Bosch

November 14, 2008 3:39 PM | Link to this

Midori,

Thanks for posting that Ayers interview. He’s certainly an interesting guy.

By dw

November 14, 2008 3:44 PM | Link to this

Bookman, Mrs. Godzilla, Midora, and the rest of the wild fans:

I’ve been reading your blogs for many weeks now and all I can say is “get a reality check!!!”

The way you folks blog makes a person think the messiah has come to earth. How fortunate you are that Barry has decided to come to earth and live among you. He will save you all and you will have eternal life and bliss. Long live the humanist god, Barry.

By Midori

November 14, 2008 3:45 PM | Link to this

What the Heck:

what I actually think is friends don’t let friends post stupid.

By AmVet

November 14, 2008 3:49 PM | Link to this

Mrs. G,

Thank you.

I love reading some of the nonsense from Ronnie’s boy Michael.

Like the other delusionists in the hemorrhaging GOP, he now trots out the new mantra that their recent back to back electoral humiliations are the results of their policies of the past eight years.

WRONG!

They are the culmination of twenty eight years of failed ideology.

That is why a quick fix for the fraud conservatives is simply going to be impossible.

It is realistically going to take them a decade to recover from nearly thirty years of their abysmal track record.

But it is comforting to realize that the old guard will never change their myopic ways and no new guard is yet on the horizon.

Maybe one decade is optimistic…

By Bosch

November 14, 2008 3:50 PM | Link to this

it is immensely satisfying to know that this man and his vapid beauty queen will not get anywhere near the Oval Office…

Can I hear an AMEN?

By Mrs. Godzilla

November 14, 2008 3:52 PM | Link to this

Seems the lovely Guv was not elected to any leadership positions at the RGO…..

What a surprising lack of confidence the GOP has in their own “annointed one”….

(what would the female form of messiah be anyway…messiah-ette?)

By Bosch

November 14, 2008 3:58 PM | Link to this

Mrs. G.,

Why would they pick a loser? Snicker. (Not the candy bar, but a real smart-a* snicker)

By Mrs. Godzilla

November 14, 2008 3:59 PM | Link to this

AMEN!

By Midori

November 14, 2008 4:03 PM | Link to this

Hi Bosch,

anytime!! :)

LOL — The haters are sure out in force today.

Like the rest of the Deep South, they still haven’t figured out that they lost the Civil War. Hence, their immense lack of civility

ROFL!!

By Mrs. Godzilla

November 14, 2008 4:06 PM | Link to this

Bosch

Losers pick losers. It’s a “branding” thing.

By AmVet

November 14, 2008 4:07 PM | Link to this

Mrs. G and Bosch,

The aforementioned Michael Reagan has an article that says that very thing about Sister Sarah! Well, that she is the next Ronnie, which is the same thing.

http://www.reagan.com/column.cfm?id=84

Who then, pray tell will be the next Edwin Meese and will they re-implement the War on “Pornography”?

And who plays the role of the quasi-criminal Ollie North?

Losers then and has-beens now…

By Midori

November 14, 2008 4:09 PM | Link to this

Mrs. G:

both you are Bosch are WRONG

Losers only pick their noses :)

By Bosch

November 14, 2008 4:09 PM | Link to this

Midori,

I have really been waiting to hear Ayers speak - I thought he did a good job in that interview. I knew he wouldn’t dare do it before the election - I bet McCain would have paid him millions to give someone an interview before the election.

I liked the way he kept refuting the stupid questions the reporter was asking.

It’s interesting, but many of us I’ll bet have had coffee or dinner with someone like Ayers - I know this older woman and her husband who we’ve had dinner with a couple times in the past - come to find out she was a radical anti-war hippy - I was shocked, and impressed all at the same time. What a woman!

By Bosch

November 14, 2008 4:13 PM | Link to this

Midori,

And their butts.

AmVet,

So many roles to fill for the next dramatic presentation of “GOP Losers on Ice!”

By Midori

November 14, 2008 4:14 PM | Link to this

Heh!!

Bosch - I like to think of myself as Angela Davis’ illegitimate daughter :)

Yeah, I really appreciated that interview.

The reporter must have been a card carrying wingnut. He certainly showed :)

By dw

November 14, 2008 4:19 PM | Link to this

To Midori,

So if someone disagrees with your opinion/ideology then you automatically brand them “haters” and can ignore their opinions. That sounds alot like the intolerant “tolerant”. Sounds like in your world that anyone that disagrees has no representation or rights. Now that a government that is most likely to shift to the left is on its way, it can totally ignore and “hate” the other 46%.

By Midori

November 14, 2008 4:24 PM | Link to this

dw,

I consider someone who hates as a HATER

Any more questions?

By Bosch

November 14, 2008 4:24 PM | Link to this

Midori,

It’s funny that a lot of people don’t realize that when people are really passionate about a cause, they resort to some pretty radical stuff - you know, like throwing tea in a harbor and starting a Revolution. We were created from revolution, and people are freaked out when people talk about it now.

I think that’s what Ayers was talking about when he said they didn’t do enough. He probably felt like they lost their revolution because so many were killed and that’s what they were trying to prevent - to say that was a crazy time is an understatement and trivializes the absurdity of what was going on.

It’s interesting that he’s a professor of education now, as I feel that is the only way to end violence and oppression is through education. He’s done a significant amount of work in teaching diversity, and is very well respected for that.

By Mrs. Godzilla

November 14, 2008 4:26 PM | Link to this

Bosch and Midori

I lived in Chicago in 68.

Had family involved on both sides of the fight.

My big sister dated a guy the Feds thought was SDS but was actually undercover CPD. They’d sit out on the porch after their dates…..there’d be a couple of black cars parked within sight.

My dad always walked down the street knocked on the window and introduced himself….

He’s a hell of guy still.

By yankee

November 14, 2008 4:29 PM | Link to this

Why not pay for their army too. What’s the difference/

By Bosch

November 14, 2008 4:29 PM | Link to this

dw,

I always found it interesting that Bush lost the popular vote in 2000 and didn’t win a majority of the vote in 2004, but yet he completely alienated almost half of the country’s populace by pushing forward his extreme right wing agenda, regardless of almost half of the populace disagreeing with such policies.

Obama said he would be everyone’s president, even those who didn’t vote for him or disagree with him, he said he’d listen to that voice and work with them.

All we can do right now is hold him to his word, and if he doesn’t then scream like hell.

By Midori

November 14, 2008 4:36 PM | Link to this

It’s interesting that he’s a professor of education now, as I feel that is the only way to end violence and oppression is through education.

I was struck by that as well, Bosch.

And thank God he put to rest that “Obama’s political

By Midori

November 14, 2008 4:37 PM | Link to this

It’s interesting that he’s a professor of education now, as I feel that is the only way to end violence and oppression is through education.

I was struck by that as well, Bosch.

And thank God he put to rest that “Obama’s political career was launched in Bill Ayer’s living room” meme.

By getalife

November 14, 2008 4:37 PM | Link to this

Lets charge them 100 billion. We need the money.

“WASHINGTON — President George W. Bush on Friday picked a federal prosecutor in New York to be a Treasury-based special inspector general to oversee the massive $700 billion financial rescue plan.

If confirmed by Senate, Neil Barofsky, an assistant U.S. attorney in the Southern District of New York, will be responsible for conducting audits and investigations of how the government spends the bailout money. He will also will report on the value of any assets acquired by the government and why they were purchased.”

I am guessing Barfsky is a crook. I do not think we should allow w to get involved. He has done enough damage, thank you very much.

By h ryder

November 14, 2008 4:38 PM | Link to this

Lets not protect other countries and see just how long until foreign and domestic terrorists are creating havoc, bombings suicide bombings, armed people shooting and killing where they please. I prefer such activities occur elsewhere even if there is less in my wallet. Better than a bullet in me or any other citizen within our borders. Yes, I know this is selfish and crass, but when distilled, it, in my opinion, is survival of the fittest, the law of the jungle outside our shores.

By what the heck

November 14, 2008 4:43 PM | Link to this

I’m sorry but Obama didn’t run his campaign that what a campaign manager does. What I find ironic is that he ran on the key word change, yet he will probably appoint the same people that are in Washington now what was the change? Ms. Godzilla you really believe America is going to perform miracles with Obama as the leader?? You really believe he is the Messiah don’t you. Midori you, Snarky, get a life and Ms. Godzilla should take your own advice about “friends don’t let friends post stupid” STUPID.

By dw

November 14, 2008 4:44 PM | Link to this

To Midori,

Just remember that works both ways, lib and con; and how do you know what is fueling a person’s opinion. NO one can really know.

By AJC/DNC Management

November 14, 2008 4:47 PM | Link to this

Aahhh, yes, another lovely day for socialism:

8,497.31 down -337.94 -3.82%

Much more of this and we’ll be……..gone.

They wished for a depression to win the election.

By Mrs. Godzilla

November 14, 2008 4:49 PM | Link to this

what the heck

and who vetted and selected the campaign manager?

smart folks know it’s the wise candidate.

You apparently think America can’t work miracles.

That’s pretty sad dude.

By Taxpayer

November 14, 2008 4:53 PM | Link to this

That’s so astute of you, Andy, to note that the economy is going farther in the tank while on Bush’s watch. You Republican’s should be more careful what you wish for.

By dw

November 14, 2008 4:55 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

You speak of the Bush extreme right wing agenda. What terrible extreme things did the Bush admin do to you or stop you from doing or try to stop you from doing? You make it sound like your rights were trampled. I’m not seeing/understanding it.

By what the heck

November 14, 2008 5:05 PM | Link to this

DW they don’t understand it either it’s just what they’ve been programmed to say/think.

By AJC/DNC Management

November 14, 2008 5:06 PM | Link to this

Here at the conference, when a speaker denounces “Washington D.C.,” he or she is politely referring to Republicans in Washington, D.C. Hence, Palin said, “Washington, D.C., leaders spent public money in disregard of the public interest, just like the opponents they used to criticize.” And Rick Perry, the governor of Texas, said Americans want “the kind of leadership that you see displayed by Republican governors — not necessarily what you see in Washington, D.C.” The dirtiest words here in Miami are “Washington, D.C., values.”-National Review

Bravo!

By AJC/DNC Management

November 14, 2008 5:10 PM | Link to this

76 percent of Republicans in a new Gallup poll say they’d like to see Palin become “a major national political figure for many years to come”

Thank you for all of your help, kookman.

By What does it mean to be a Republican

November 14, 2008 5:16 PM | Link to this

Why our economy is just in one of them soft patches — quicksand would be a more accurate description. But, what about all those resilient American taxpayers. Well, they lost their resiliency after extended exposure to eight years of the harshest environment ever seen on this continent. They call it “The Age of the Bush,” a truly dark time for our once great nation but not just yet the end of times in spite of his best efforts.

By CommunistAJC

November 14, 2008 5:19 PM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla, Where are your children? Do they know that you spend all day trying to pick up boys on the AJC website?

Jay Bookman, You’re the absolute last person who should be commenting on what the US should and should not do. Actually, I wonder where you will be once Iran launches a nuke at Washington? Oh yeah, the unemployment line with every other unemployed hack journalist.

By TN Gelding

November 14, 2008 5:20 PM | Link to this

what the heck

November 14, 2008 3:22 PM

We don’t have any money

National debt clock.

Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.

~Albert Einstein

By What does it mean to be a Republican

November 14, 2008 5:21 PM | Link to this

Since McCain/Palin was a losing ticket this time around perhaps Palin/McCain should be the Republican ticket next time. That sounds great. I think they should go for it.

By Bosch

November 14, 2008 5:24 PM | Link to this

dw,

My rights are good.

My energy policies aren’t, my energy bills have skyrocketed in the past 8 years. My 401K isn’t so hot either. My military is fighting an unjustifiable war. My kids are in public schools - schools that are being choked by NCLB. My health insurance premiums have increased by a percentage higher than my wages. My roads and bridges are dangerous. I have to worry about the food I eat.

I’ve also been called unpatriotic because I have spoke out against this war.

By Bosch

November 14, 2008 5:27 PM | Link to this

Oh, and dw,

My children and grandchildren will be paying off our national debt.

By Country Mouse

November 14, 2008 5:27 PM | Link to this

Speaking of why is it our job…..Why is it our job (those of us who have worked hard and sacrificed for decades to put a nest egg together) to take care of all the losers who are too lazy or stupid to take care of themselves?

By Bosch

November 14, 2008 5:30 PM | Link to this

Country Mouse,

Like the Iraqis or Israelis? Yeah, I agree.

By Abomi Nation

November 14, 2008 5:32 PM | Link to this

“Jay Bookman, You’re the absolute last person who should be commenting on what the US should and should not do.”

Lol!! The poor kids are still in denial.

Every single Republican is tied for last as “the absolute last person who should be commenting on what the US should and should not do.”

If Republicans want a say then they should start winning some elections. We just got through throwing you out of office because you messed up so bad.

Win some damn elections!!! For now, SHUT UP!

By "The Corporal"

November 14, 2008 5:32 PM | Link to this

For the same reason we had to bail them out in WWII ….. because we can and someone has to do it.

The world needs a benevolent (although not perfect) policeman and we are the only ones capable.

“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”

Sir Edmund Burke (A European I believe)

By what the heck

November 14, 2008 5:36 PM | Link to this

AMEN Country Mouse

By AmVet

November 14, 2008 5:40 PM | Link to this

dw, I am not concerned just about MY rights. But about yours as well. And Bosch’s. And about all American’s.

You’re correct, my personal life hasn’t changed in this regard at all since 9/11.

And the truth is we all should be grateful another has not occurred again. And we owe our thanks to the many thousands of people who quietly make that happen (bureaucratic and disjointed as they are). And yes, George W. Bush, too.

Nonetheless some lives have. Usually college students, etc who were detained as suspected terrorists or accomplices, and their god-given American rights to habeas corpus, etc were instantly voided. In some cases, they were jailed for LONG periods of time and could not call their families, or get ANY help.

The November 13, 2001, Presidential Military Order gave the President of the United States the power to detain suspects, SUSPECTED of connection to terrorists or terrorism as an unlawful combatant. As such, it was asserted that a person could be held indefinitely without charges being filed against him or her, without a court hearing, and without entitlement to a legal consultant. Many legal and constitutional scholars contended that these provisions were in direct opposition to habeas corpus and the United States Bill of Rights.

Seems so unAmerican to me. This is not what we want in this country, is it? Another King George?!

“It is better one hundred guilty Persons should escape than that one innocent Person should suffer”. ~ Ben Franklin

And that is both the beauty and dismay of our unique and wonderful American justice system.

You’ll pardon my suspicion of Republicans in this matter. Joe McCarthy’s with hunts, Richard Nixon’s “hit lists”, warrantless wiretaps and John Ashcroft’s fear mongering run amok are all the backdrop.

We MUST not become closer akin to our enemies in this regard, who cannot be bothered by such sensibilities and such quaint notions of justice and liberty.

We are a nation of laws, not Kings.

By Bosch

November 14, 2008 5:41 PM | Link to this

Corporal,

I disagree. Shocking, I know. We are not the only ones capable now - 60 years later.

European countries are perfectly capable of defending themselves, they know that part of defending themselves is through diplomacy.

By dw

November 14, 2008 5:41 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

I appreciate your response and I can understand and see your concerns. Pretty much 95% of America lives it (myself included).

I just don’t think it is as simple as “it is all Bush’s fault.” To complicated and to many factors outside of one person’s control. Sure he has some responsibility. Alot of the concerns you voiced are, in my opinion, due to that human factor of greed. I hate to say it, but no matter who is in office, it will still exist. I do think the war started out justifiable in combating Al Quada. The whole thing, I don’t have enough true inside knowledge to make a guess.

By getalife

November 14, 2008 5:42 PM | Link to this

Hillary Clinton will be Secretary of State if she wants it.

Enough with the bailouts.

All debts are forgiven.

By Bosch

November 14, 2008 5:44 PM | Link to this

AmVet,

And let’s not forget about the rights of our gay and lesbian friends and family members who can not get married to the ones they love.

By CommunistAJC

November 14, 2008 5:47 PM | Link to this

AmVet, One thing we can both agree on. 911 changed everything. I just want to ask you one simple question. Do you believe that Obama and the democrats can keep us safe?

By Bosch

November 14, 2008 5:51 PM | Link to this

dw,

Well, the whole point is not to debate each of these issues, it’s that almost half of the American populace disagreed with these policies put forth and were alienated and called unpatriotic, godless, etc. in the process.

We were ignored, and our concerns were ignored, we were alienated, and all we can do is express our concerns and elect those who we feel can do the best job.

I don’t think it’s one person’s fault either, but I can hold Bush’s administration for pushing these policies through to a great extent because he was the President and Congress was under Republican control for six of those years. It isn’t something made up or something that might happen, as with Obama, it did happen.

We have to hold our elected officials accountable, and I’ll be doing the same to Obama if he steps out of line with what I feel is inappropriate. It’s my right and responsibility to do just that. We must have a government that appreciates everyone, everyone’s opinion, of course we can get all riled up on blogs and spew, but that’s what we do, and why our country is so great.

By Dusty

November 14, 2008 5:53 PM | Link to this

Midori is absolutely correct@4:03

She said the HATERS were out in force today on this blog. Considering the fact that 90% of bloggers here today are liberals, there is no doubt about her statement. Way to go, Midori!! You got something right for a change.

By CommunistAJC

November 14, 2008 5:54 PM | Link to this

Bosch, The people of many states have spoken on this issue. Even California, the most liberal state in the union, voted it down by a large margin. The bill has been voted against in every single state where it has been on the ballet.

By Bosch

November 14, 2008 6:02 PM | Link to this

CommunistAJC,

But it violates American citizens rights. I have a problem with that. Sorry, that’s just me.

I have a problem with our government getting involved in defining marriage for one, and violating the rights of a minority group.

To me, gay marriage does not have anything to do with the governance of our country, and should never amend our laws to violate the rights of some of its citizens - that’s very un-American to me.

By "The Corporal"

November 14, 2008 6:05 PM | Link to this

To Bosch

I respectfully disagree. In total they might be able to but as a group they are impotent and one country acting alone cannot.

If we don’t, we are inviting WWIII.

sic vis pacum, para bellum

By AmVet

November 14, 2008 6:10 PM | Link to this

Do you believe that Obama and the democrats can keep us safe?

If you mean by totally safe, probably not. But I don’t think anyone really can.

Those b@stards are devious and determined.

And we have a pretty bad track record of sticking our heads in the sand.(Pearl Harbor, the current financial meltdown, and many, many other examples…)

We’ll likely let them walk right in again someday. (Why isn’t that damned southern border of ours under control yet???)

Even so, I believe the current “military first, last and always” approach is short-lived. (OK, a little hyperbole) Either through more prolonged failures or when calmer heads take a multi-pronged approach.

We desperately need true statesmanship such as Carter’s heroic efforts to resolve the Israeli/Palestinian flash point. This effort MUST be finalized.

But I am not naive enough to believe we must also reserve the right to strike anywhere, anytime if other countries won’t keep their terror thugs in check.

Don’t forget, our historical allies have just a big a stake in this as we do. And they are even more geographically vulnerable.

And if resolving our problems peacefully by talking them out vs. killing each other seems like a daunting challenge, I agree wholeheartedly. It is! But if anyone can, it is us.

By TN Gelding

November 14, 2008 6:23 PM | Link to this

That depends on what your definition of nothing is.

Force always attracts men of low morality.

~Albert Einstein

By AmVet

November 14, 2008 6:25 PM | Link to this

Some REALLY great stuff from NASA.

http://www.vuetoo.com/vue1/situationpagenews.asp?sit=31.

By TN Gelding

November 14, 2008 6:37 PM | Link to this

That’s better than starting WWIII.

World’s policemen?

Nothing will end war unless the people themselves refuse to go to war.

~Albert Einstein

By RW-(the original)

November 14, 2008 6:47 PM | Link to this

Bosch @ 4:29,

The 2004 election was:

50.7% Bush

and

48.3% Kerry

By What does it mean to be a Republican

November 14, 2008 6:48 PM | Link to this

The London Times’ Charles Bremner has identified one positive aspect of President Bush’s foreign policy legacy: With Russian tanks only 30 miles from Tbilisi on August 12, Mr. Sarkozy told Mr. Putin that the world would not accept the overthrow of Georgia’s Government. According to Levitte, the Russian seemed unconcerned by international reaction. “I am going to hang Saakashvili by the balls,” Mr. Putin declared. Mr. Sarkozy thought he had misheard. “Hang him?” — he asked. “Why not?” Mr. Putin replied. “The Americans hanged Saddam Hussein.” Mr. Sarkozy, using the familiar tu, tried to reason with him: “Yes but do you want to end up like [President] Bush?” Mr. Putin was briefly lost for words, then said: “Ah — you have scored a point there.”

Fear of “ending up like Bush” now functions as a deterrent.

By TN Gelding

November 14, 2008 6:53 PM | Link to this

The USA was prepared for war.

Just not the kind President Bush launched in Iraq.

Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding.

~Albert Einstein

By AJC/DNC Management

November 14, 2008 6:54 PM | Link to this

We finally did the right thing by telling the automakers to stick it up their azz.

Now, as is only fitting, the automakers need to tell us to stick our fuel economy standards up our behinds.

And tell the unions, for good measure, to take their benefits and put them where the sun don’t shine.

Let’s all retreat to our own corners and be men for once in our damn lives.

Instead of all this incestous liberal bull crap.

Geez.

By Midori

November 14, 2008 7:00 PM | Link to this

you guys want to see something that will make you totally retch?

speaking for wretches, Bosch — did you see O’Reilly on The Daily Show last night?

I posted a link earlier downstairs.

By TN Gelding

November 14, 2008 7:03 PM | Link to this

DoD Identifies Army Casualties

The Department of Defense announced today the death of two soldiers who were supporting Operation Iraqi Freedom. They died Nov. 12 in Mosul, Iraq, when an Iraqi Army soldier wearing a uniform approached them and opened fire.

Killed were: Sgt. Jose Regalado, 23, of Los Angeles. He was assigned to the 3rd Squadron, 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment, Fort Hood, Texas.

Spc. Corey M. Shea, 21, of Mansfield, Mass. He was assigned to the 3rd Squadron, 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment, Fort Hood, Texas.

The circumstances surrounding the incident are under investigation.

For more information media may contact the Fort Hood public affairs office at (254) 287-9993; after hours (254) 291-2591.

By Midori

November 14, 2008 7:12 PM | Link to this

Dick Cheney shows off his home alterations to the VP residence to Joe Biden

By Taxpayer

November 14, 2008 7:15 PM | Link to this

Andy,

You do understand why SUVs and trucks quit selling back when gas topped $4/gallon.

By Abomi Nation

November 14, 2008 7:25 PM | Link to this

There’s one of those rooms in the White House also Midori. They call it the Guckert/Gannon Bedroom.

It used to be called the Lincoln Bedroom, but President Bush had it redone.

By AJC/DNC Management

November 14, 2008 7:27 PM | Link to this

Taxpayer: Yes I do, by the way, thanks, I picked up thee Escalade cheap.

$$$$$$$$$$

Funny though, how Toyota sells SUVS and pickups and for some odd reason, they don’t need a government handout.

Hmmmmmmmm.

By Tar Heel Bred bleeds Tar Heel Blue

November 14, 2008 7:28 PM | Link to this

“Why is it our job to protect Europe from Iranian missles?”

Jay, it is OUR JOB to install a missle shield in Europe because we, the United States of America, have been given the power from God to protect the world and fight the evil and tierny that may seek to destroy the world that is ours to lead and set a moral example for! If the U.S. doesn’t take the God-given power and the blessings and use that to stand up for all that is right then nobody else will do it, especially nations like Germany and France. Those former Soviet-bloc Eastern European nations that have taken the side of the West and sprouted into young and vibrant democracies since the end of the Cold War especially need the full support and backing of the U.S. and N.A.T.O. to contain an angry and envious Russian bear looking to regain its former Soviet Empire-glory. We, the U.S.A. are the beacon of light to lead the world’s people thru a dark world. If the U.S. doesn’t do it, no one else will, it’s a little thing called AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM and nobody else in the world quite has God-given tools to do it.

Btw, all of those nations are, collectively, our biggest trading partner (the European Union) and biggest and most supportive ally (the North Atlantic Treaty Organization) so it is within our very best interest to protect their safety and send a message to Iran and most notably, Russia, to back off from bullying the rest of Europe because protect their safety means protecting our financial safety and economic well-being.

By AmVet

November 14, 2008 7:30 PM | Link to this

But Taxpayer, now that gas is again $1.89/gallon will they skyrocket again?

Methinks not this time. But who knows?

I was young and VERY distracted(!!!) but still tried to read the London Times back in the 70s.

The English, like us, are very bright. As well as witty. As confirmed by that 6:48 hyperlink and the “left-handed” swipe at GWB.

The USA European relationship is a complex one to be sure.

But as one who has both visited and lived there, I rest assured that we are MUCH more united than divided.

Bill Richardson, not Hillary for SecState.

She p!sses off everyone, even me…

By TN Gelding

November 14, 2008 7:34 PM | Link to this

Midori

November 14, 2008 7:00 PM

Sounds like a compassionate conservative.

Joe the Apprentice is sure taking full advantage of his 15 minutes of fame.

The release of atomic energy has not created a new problem. It has merely made more urgent the necessity of solving an existing one.

~Albert Einstein

By TN Gelding

November 14, 2008 7:46 PM | Link to this

AJC/DNC Management

November 14, 2008 6:54 PM

Bush’s hole gets deeper.

By AJC/DNC Management

November 14, 2008 7:50 PM | Link to this

Horsey: Soon enough it will be Oblahmi’s hole.

Bwahahahahahahaha.

Sucker.

By Taxpayer

November 14, 2008 8:07 PM | Link to this

If Toyota were in need of a government handout, they might try asking someone over in Japan for it. Also, I suspect most people will not fall into the cheap gas trap and go out and waste their money on an Escalade or other gas hog. Honda has been shifting production from their larger vehicles to their current best-sellers such as the CIVIC and they have a 45 mpg hybrid coming out. We’ll also be seeing electric vehicles out of Detroit soon as well as that “air-powered” vehicle from India. Of course, Honda has had a limited introduction of their fuel-cell powered car in California for a while now. Good changes are coming and this is just the beginning. People will finally have a chance to actually become more energy independent without resorting to candle power and wood-burning stoves — not that there’s anything wrong with candles or wood, that is.

By TN Gelding

November 14, 2008 8:12 PM | Link to this

AJC/DNC Management

November 14, 2008 7:50 PM

Maybe he can at least stop digging.

GM needs to jettison health care and pension costs?

Of course it wouldn’t hurt to sell a few million more cars. Have you got room for 3 million vehicles in your garage?

By "The Corporal"

November 14, 2008 8:23 PM | Link to this

To TN Gelding

By your logic we would have never helped Europe defeat Germany in WWII.

By LD

November 14, 2008 8:24 PM | Link to this

Why is it OUR job?

Because in World Wars I and II Germany made it our job. During the Cold War Russia made it our job. Why is it our job today? Because Iran makes it our job.

Not George Bush, not the Military…necessity makes it our job. Imagine if FDR or any of the Presidents that had to face Soviet expansionism asked that question.

By dem bones

November 14, 2008 8:25 PM | Link to this

The release of atomic energy has not created a new problem. It has merely made more urgent the necessity of solving an existing one.

I like this statement because it questions human nature.

can one define the existing problem and if so, who’s going to solve it?

By Greg Mendel

November 14, 2008 8:51 PM | Link to this

“For the same reason we had to bail them out in WWII ….. because we can and someone has to do it.”

We didn’t have to bail anyone out in WW2.

America was decidedly isolationist before Peal Harbor. Britain was going down in flames. FDR created Lend-Lease, but also tried to lure the British fleet to Canada in 1940, so the Germans wouldn’t get it when Britain collapsed.

The US never declared war on Germany. Hitler declared war on the US immediately after Pearl Harbor. We had no choice but respond to the most powerful army on Earth. We weren’t in the liberation biz. We were in the save-your-own-butt biz.

Japan never had aspirations of conquering America. Pearl Harbor was designed to give Japan a free hand in the Pacific. But, the war against Japan was deserved payback.

Italy was “liberated” because it was, first, an enemy nation, second, because it surrendered. France was merely on the road to Germany, the real enemy. Britain was “bailed out” because Germany declared war on us, and because we had close ties to it. Britain was lucky.

The United States didn’t have to do any of it, and couldn’t do it until late 1943, after Britain fought a delaying action in Africa, and the USSR took on the lion’s share of the Wehrmacht.

Fact is, we owe our WW2 freedom to the Soviet Union — the only country brutal enough and populous enough and determined enough to destroy the Nazi war machine. You understand that when you understand that 20 Soviet soldiers died fighting the Nazis for every 1 American soldier. The USSR lost 20+ million people in WW2.

So, as much as we might not like it, the fact is that the Ruskis bailed out everybody. It’s why they get edgy about anti-missile defenses on their borders.

There’s jingoism, delusion, lore, and the facts.

By AJC/DNC Management

November 14, 2008 8:52 PM | Link to this

By Taxpayer November 14, 2008 8:07 PM We’ll also be seeing electric vehicles out of Detroit soon as well as that “air-powered” vehicle from India.

TP: You sound like Dhimmi Carter.

“We’ll see.”

By what the heck

November 14, 2008 8:55 PM | Link to this

Midori and Bosch your thoughts on Ayers are very telling about your characters, ethics and morals. You are worse than Bush ever thought of being. Mrs. Godzill why don’t you go back to Chicago??

By TW

November 14, 2008 8:57 PM | Link to this

Does anyone know where I can get a copy of Sarah Palin’s book?

By RW-(the original)

November 14, 2008 8:59 PM | Link to this

If anyone is interested Jay B’s early morning rerun has reappeared downstairs along with a mystery paragraph. Apparently he wants us to finish his work for him.

By RW-(the original)

November 14, 2008 9:06 PM | Link to this

TW,

There’s a gift shop on 5th Ave in Anchorage, I believe at the corner of 5th and F, named Once Upon a Blue Moose. You might want to try there, but I believe she decided to wait until she had successfully completed a few things before writing a string of autobiographies.

By ron

November 14, 2008 9:09 PM | Link to this

The existing problem is that many people like war.It’s a quick route to power.

By what the heck

November 14, 2008 9:09 PM | Link to this

Why should anyone wait to successfully complete anything before writing a string of autobiographies or run for president?

By TN Gelding

November 14, 2008 9:10 PM | Link to this

dem bones

November 14, 2008 8:25 PM

THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IS PARANOIA.

We need to truly set a different tone for problem solving; more carrot and less stick, and the willingness to trust and understand our friends and adversaries alike. Why do we consider Russia, China, N. Korea and Iran a threat? Is it because they also fear us that we need to?

We have a strong military as a deterrent, not to enforce our will on other countries. In doing so we only create more unrest, hatred and distrust.

We have to start respecting other cultures and adjust our dealings with them accordingly. In many cases we need to just butt out and leave them to their own resouces to solve their problems.

Einstein’s statement ended up not being true, as nuclear weapons have not been used, and quite possibly have prevented war(s).

By Greg Mendel

November 14, 2008 9:11 PM | Link to this

“Not George Bush, not the Military…necessity makes it our job. Imagine if FDR or any of the Presidents that had to face Soviet expansionism asked that question.”

They should have. The USSR was not benign, but it wasn’t all that interested in expansion. It was, however, very paranoid. Which is why it kept control of Eastern Europe. It wanted a buffer as protection against Germany and France and Sweden and Poland — all countries that had invaded it several times.

That fundamental misunderstanding was the basis of the Cold War, which did expand.

The Cuban Missile Crisis was directly based on US troops in Berlin.

Since the fall of the USSR, a lot of well-researched history is being published. I highly recommend “Khruschev’s Cold War.” A real eye-opener.

By TW

November 14, 2008 9:12 PM | Link to this

I believe she decided to wait until she had successfully completed a few things

My, my, RW - I’m gonna take that as a reach across the aisle :-)

But, to be fair, she really has done quite a bit - just ask her…

By RW-(the original)

November 14, 2008 9:17 PM | Link to this

TW,

True that. She’s done far more than Barry and he already has two memoirs. Do you think he’ll pump out a new one each year he’s President or roll it all into one when it’s over?

By what the heck

November 14, 2008 9:24 PM | Link to this

I’m sure “Barry” will roll one out each year and we’re sure to have a 1-2 hour press conference every month on top of the MSM showing his u-tube videos each day until he tapes his weekly.

By jon

November 14, 2008 9:24 PM | Link to this

Jay,

I doubt you read this far down the blog but in reply to your original post. It is our job because we can. We are the world’s lone super power and that is a good thing, although some of your fellow travelers think otherwise.

Can we sustain that position forever? Probably not, but for now it is our job. After you and I have left this world, China will probably become the lone super-power and America will be subservient to them. Let us hope so, as opposed to being under the rule of the Islamo-facists.

However if we take the isolationist role you seem to advocate, I do not doubt that the Islamo-facists will grow in power, and their sole purpose in this world is to kill or convert.

Why do the libs, champions of civil rights, women’s rights, and all our Bill of Rights freedoms want so badly to allow the Islamo-facist camel to keep nudging its nose into the tent? Is it because you are naive? When they have your journalist head on the block and the sword is raised for the beheading, you can ask, “Can’t we all just get along?”

By TW

November 14, 2008 9:25 PM | Link to this

She’s done far more than Barry

Barry got elected PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

That’s kind of like being the Governor of a crappy little state - only you have actual responsiblities…lol…

No worries, RW, she’ll probably end up on the Jerry Springer Show before her flame dies - and that’s pretty much the redneck version of writing a book.

By dem bones

November 14, 2008 9:26 PM | Link to this

i’m sorry horsey (hat tip AJCM),

Dude.

By RW-(the original)

November 14, 2008 9:31 PM | Link to this

TW,

Barry is pretty good at getting elected to things, but his weak spot is governing once he gets there. Usually his first order of business is to find a new job to run for. It’ll be interesting to see what happens once he realizes he has to work instead of campaign.

By Midori

November 14, 2008 9:36 PM | Link to this

What the Heck: I’m not going to get into it with you.

Why should I get in the sewer with one of you 20 percenters?

Just sit back and enjoy the ride.

You just might learn something.

By Midori

November 14, 2008 9:41 PM | Link to this

Barry is pretty good at getting elected to things, but his weak spot is governing once he gets there

gasp

OBAMA HAS MORPHED INTO GEORGE BUSH

what will we tell the children????

By RW-(the original)

November 14, 2008 9:46 PM | Link to this

Midori,

The first thing you should tell them is not to put their hopes and dreams in the hands of government. After that you should tell them to be responsible for their own lives and not to look to a slick talking snake oil salesman to rob someone else to provide for them.

If they don’t get it at first you should drum it into them daily.

By Greg Mendel

November 14, 2008 9:46 PM | Link to this

“When they have your journalist head on the block and the sword is raised for the beheading, you can ask, “Can’t we all just get along?””

Honestly, Jon, did Jay ask that? Did he imply that? Has anyone posting here asked that question? I’m sure there are airheads who think that way, but not many.

Bill Clinton admitted that he had an affair with Monica Lewinsky “Because I could.”

The problem I and others have with the “world morals cop” argument is that, if you’re going to trumpet how moral you are about getting rid of a brutal dictator, Saddam Hussein, aren’t you kind of obligated to get rid of the rest of them? Including the ones you happily buy oil from and do business with every day? Like we did with the same brutal Saddam we later decided to kill?

What is the basis of the “Islamo-fascists’” power? It’s weakness indeed, Jon. We’re gluttons who are too weak to say “no” to Mideast oil. All we need to do is be…conservative. Conserve energy. In the long run, conservation is less costly than weapons and war, if that’s all it takes to avoid it.

By TW

November 14, 2008 9:49 PM | Link to this

RW - We shall see. At this point, I’m going to keep an open mind. This country could no more afford another four years of sheep than it could ‘w’ for a third term.

By Why

November 14, 2008 9:54 PM | Link to this

Others have said it above and it bears repeating, though I’m not sure there is an answer - Why does and what is the United States’ responsibility to the rest of the world in providing any of a number types of aid to other countries and regions??? If we were/are not there what would happen??? Is it our responsibility to insert ourselves and change the “natural” and “intentional” course of events?? etc….

By TW

November 14, 2008 9:55 PM | Link to this

be responsible for their own lives and not to look to a slick talking snake oil salesman to rob someone else to provide for them.

RW - just to be clear, you are against all governmental bail-outs, and you are an advocate for a flat income tax?

By what the heck

November 14, 2008 9:58 PM | Link to this

Sorry TW but midori, bosch, getalife and Ms. Godzilla will be booked (if they haven’t already been)on the Springer show long before Sarah Palin will be.

By "The Corporal"

November 14, 2008 9:59 PM | Link to this

To Greg Mendel

There is a lot of good logic in your post but the fact remains is that Russia (and Europe) would have gone down the tubes without the United States and it all would have ended differently if the Germans had delayed the war one more year and developed the atomic bomb.

By Greg Mendel

November 14, 2008 10:02 PM | Link to this

Regarding “Foreign Aid”:

The United States is a good and humane nation. Sometimes we provide aid because we have much, and our principles demand it. The Marshall Plan is probably the greatest example.

However, 90% of the time, we do it for political purposes. We want people to like US — not “them.” As Ross Perot would say, it’s just that simple.

By TN Gelding

November 14, 2008 10:04 PM | Link to this

Greg Mendel

November 14, 2008 8:51 PM

Thanks for your input.

Much more expansive (and I hope factual)than I could have provided. At least the Corporal acknowledged that we helped other European countries. It must be extremely painful for our resident Frenchman to discuss this era. I’m looking forward to her provacative thoughts.

History teaches us that men and nations behave wisely once they have exhausted all other alternatives.

~Abba Eban

By RW-(the original)

November 14, 2008 10:10 PM | Link to this

TW,

As a general rule I’m against government bailouts, but the government did cause most of the mortgage meltdown so they/we bear some responsibility. It sure would help if you libs would pay attention as we move along in our discussions so these things don’t have to be constantly rehashed.

As for taxes I’m not for a flat tax because it still leaves government in too much control of figuring out protected classes and loopholes. At the risk of sending shudders up the spines of Jay’s ditto heads, I’m a FairTax guy.

By what the heck

November 14, 2008 10:14 PM | Link to this

midori You might learn something if you read what RW posted at 9:46 p.m. and 10:10 p.m. I’m not going to learn anything from you or your friends, ms.godzilla,bosch or getalife….except how to hate.

By AmVet

November 14, 2008 10:17 PM | Link to this

…but the government did cause most of the mortgage meltdown so they/we bear some responsibility.

Exchange the words most and some and you’ve finally gotten something correct, RW.

By what the heck

November 14, 2008 10:22 PM | Link to this

Guess I need to add amvet to that list.

By Greg Mendel

November 14, 2008 10:22 PM | Link to this

“There is a lot of good logic in your post but the fact remains is that Russia (and Europe) would have gone down the tubes without the United States and it all would have ended differently if the Germans had delayed the war one more year and developed the atomic bomb.”

The USSR never acknowledged the critical aid it got from the US in WW2. Yes, Europe and Russia probably would have been conquered without US intervention. I was addressing the idea that we “had” to intervene for moral reasons.

The tide turned at Stalingrad, but it turned because Adolf Hitler decided he was a military genius at the same time. He became his own army’s downfall. (There was a war-long plot to kill him — until the allies figured out he was more destructive to his own army than they were.)

Germany was probably more than a year away from an A-bomb, I think, before the war.

By RW-(the original)

November 14, 2008 10:26 PM | Link to this

Only in your eyes amvet, but the day I start letting you have providence over my thoughts or deeds is the day I cease to exist so it will never happen.

By TN Gelding

November 14, 2008 10:26 PM | Link to this

Why

November 14, 2008 9:54 PM

As we saw in Vietnam, things work out without our intervention.

No matter what political reasons are given for war, the underlying reason is always economic.

~A. J. P. Taylor

By SOUTHERN ATL

November 14, 2008 10:28 PM | Link to this

Rufus November 14, 2008 2:21 PM

I agree with you 100%!

The war is costing the U.S. about 10 billion dollars per month. IF MORE FUNDS were available, the defense system could be paid for in about 5 months. It will DEFINETLY be cheaper to defend the U.S. on their turf instead of OURS!!!

By Midori

November 14, 2008 10:31 PM | Link to this

what the heck: did it hurt when you got that giant L stamped on your forehead?

poor baby………..

By RW-(the original)

November 14, 2008 10:34 PM | Link to this

Midori,

What the heck doesn’t sound like one of you L’s so why would he or she be stamped on the forehead with an L?

By TN Gelding

November 14, 2008 10:36 PM | Link to this

“The Corporal”

November 14, 2008 9:59 PM

I’ve always wondered why France declared war on GERMANY WHEN SHE WAS SO ILL-EQUIPPED to FIGHT ONE.

No war is inevitable until it breaks out.

~A. J. P. Taylor

By Greg Mendel

November 14, 2008 10:36 PM | Link to this

TN Gelding:

Thanks. Yes, my input was factual. It’s the result of reading about 200 books on the Third Reich and its aftermath as research for a novel.

Reading the “new” stuff about the Cold War is very enlightening. I grew up in the midst of it, and remember patriotic, selfless things like Radio Free Europe (RFE). RFE was taught to school children as an example of spreading the light of freedom throughout the commie slave world. In fact, RFE was a CIA front from top to bottom, a bank of sorts, used to finance asassinations and election-tampering all over Greece and the Balkans. (the stuff only the filthy commies were supposed to be doing) At the last moment of its start-up, somebody suggested that Radio Free Europe buy — a radio transmitter.

By Greg Mendel

November 14, 2008 10:47 PM | Link to this

“I’ve always wondered why France declared war on GERMANY WHEN SHE WAS SO ILL-EQUIPPED to FIGHT ONE.”

France was attacked by Germany, being invaded through Belgium and the Ardennes — twice (WW 1 & 2).

France declared war on Prussia (Franco-Prussian War) because it was stupid.

By AmVet

November 14, 2008 10:48 PM | Link to this

Providence. Nice word, RW,. A bit flowery, but nice.

There is a new reality now.

It is the ongoing, attempted corporate destruction of capitalism that only recently “came to light”.

You fiscal conservatives turned a blind eye to the white collar criminals, while your trickle down your thigh government heroes were getting homies off the dole.

By TN Gelding

November 14, 2008 10:49 PM | Link to this

Greg Mendel

November 14, 2008 10:36 PM

Thanks, again.

And some wonder why they hate us.

The evil that is in the world almost always comes of ignorance, and good intentions may do as much harm as malevolence if they lack understanding.

~Albert Camus

By Greg Mendel

November 14, 2008 11:07 PM | Link to this

“And some wonder why they hate us.”

Well, all nations play hardball and deal in covert operations they think are in their interests. I have no particular gripe with that. But, being taught as a child that the Untied States was beyond such things, that only the bad guys did it — that America is exceptional — was a betrayal of sorts. Of course, so was Vietnam, an adventure I was part of. For youngsters steeped in the belief that America owned the moral high ground, Vietnam was a life-changing (or life-ending) betrayal.

None of what I’ve posted means that I “hate America” or that I “blame America first.” I simply expect more of my country than I do of other countries, because I’m proud of it. National introspection is part of patriotism.

By TN Gelding

November 14, 2008 11:14 PM | Link to this

Greg Mendel

November 14, 2008 10:47 PM

For some reason I was thinking France declared war when GERMANY FIRST INVADED POLAND.

What is absurd and monstrous about war is that men who have no personal quarrel should be trained to murder one another in cold blood.

~Aldous Huxley

By Greg Mendel

November 14, 2008 11:25 PM | Link to this

“For some reason I was thinking France declared war when GERMANY FIRST INVADED POLAND.”

Well, you’re right, in that it was automatic, I suppose. I’m not sure about the exact, official date, but France was obligated by treaty, as was Britain, to defend Poland. Germany invaded Poland, then there was the “sitzkrieg” when nothing happened until Germany invaded France.

The whole European war was over Poland, actually, but, ironically, Poland wasn’t “free” until the Iron Curtain fell.

By TN Gelding

November 14, 2008 11:31 PM | Link to this

Greg Mendel

November 14, 2008 11:07 PM

Well said.

I whole-heartedly concur. If only we didn’t have to grow up and learn the truth. We must continue to strive to put our best foot forward and make amends where possible.

Even if we are spared destruction by war, our lives will have to change if we want to save life from self-destruction.

~Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

By TN Gelding

November 14, 2008 11:42 PM | Link to this

Greg Mendel

November 14, 2008 11:25 PM

We’ve got some treaties that need to be amended.

Before we get sucked into trying to defend something that is indefensible.

Anyone who has proclaimed violence his method inexorably must choose lying as his principle.

~Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

By Just_Me

November 14, 2008 11:47 PM | Link to this

Hey Midori!!!

Ya know, I owe ya a SMACK! Recovering from pneumonia…and i clicked that link that took me to :::shudder::::that hideous website…(he is writing a book about American values? On what? Divorcing two women? Failure to pay child support or taxes? self-promotion?). Gee, maybe McCain should have dumped pitiful palin and chosen joe!

I am cracking up from that jerk’s site..which has triggered yet another coughing fit….all your fault, g’friend!!!!!!

* :-) *

By Hillbilly Deluxe

November 14, 2008 11:51 PM | Link to this

The US did indeed declare war on Germany. Hitler declared war on the US the morning of Dec. 11, 1941. Later in the day FDR asked Congress to pass the War Resolution which requested the war be formally declared. It passed 88-0 in the Senate and 393-0 in the House.

(http://www.law.ou.edu/ushistory/germwar.shtml)

If, God forbid, we were to get into a WWII type war I wonder how we would fare since we’ve destroyed our manufacturing and steel industries. Energy needs might also be a problem depending on who the enemy was.

To Greg Mendel and TN Gelding: As you might guess I’m a history buff and have enjoyed your discussion.

By TN Gelding

November 15, 2008 12:03 AM | Link to this

Hillbilly Deluxe

November 14, 2008 11:51 PM

Thanks for your input.

I’ve been getting a history lesson.

Yeah, if the Pentagon wants to make China the boogyman it had better inform its procurement department. Let’s hope and pray that never happens again, tho.

War paralyzes your courage and deadens the spirit of true manhood.

~Alexander Berkman

By Greg Mendel

November 15, 2008 1:12 AM | Link to this

“If, God forbid, we were to get into a WWII type war I wonder how we would fare since we’ve destroyed our manufacturing and steel industries.” — Hillbilly Deluxe

That kind of war will never happen again. Nukes are one reason, but no country could again afford it is the other. It’s becoming obvious that countries can’t afford to occupy defeated countries either.

The hot ticket today is asymmetrical warfare, which we need to learn how to fight. The most common mistake belligerents make — over and over — is underestimating their enemies. Our low-tech enemies are figuring out ways to outlast superpowers. It’s not new. George Washington did it. Giap did it. It’s mostly a matter of will and persistence.

Yes, the US did declare war on Germany, but not until Germany declared first. There’s always been some question of why. Apparently, Hitler was anxious to start attacking Lend-Lease shipping with U-boats as soon as possible, since that had sustained Britain.

Yeah, history is interesting — and educational. Read enough of it, and you can almost predict how any modern-day situation will turn out. We forget things fast, if we ever knew them at all.

[Break’s over. Back to reading about Nazis.]

By Joel

November 15, 2008 6:05 AM | Link to this

You know, Jay, I have also asked that question. While our troops are deployed overseas the liberal media and the democrat party have tried to slip multiple knives in their backs. After my deployment, I came back and read a lot of crap about American troops in the AJC. On again, Why is this my job?

By spankmonkey

November 15, 2008 9:00 AM | Link to this

I love it…

Andy claims the world trembles at the might of Iran, and Europe needs us to protect them from Mighty Iran…

Let the “surrender-monkeys” deal with Iran, why do I need to pay for a missile shield, that doesn’t work, for Europe.

Europe needs to deal with Iran, if it’s truly a threat. Iran can’t reach us on it’s best day. Ooo Oooo maybe they’ll send bombers to bomb one of our cities like Sadam Hussein did.

Idiots.

That missile shield is why your taxes are going up. Not Obama’s socialist policies. Bushco is taking your wealth and redistributing it to Europe.

On an unrelated note, why are all the GOP frontrunners divorcees? While Obama is married to his college sweetheart still? Where are the “family values” crowd? Oh, right, they’re out lobbying Newt (serial divorcee and adulterer) to take the mantle of GOP leadership and charge ahead… He’s currently wiping the poop off the “contract with America” because he used it to wipe his a* immediately after the “republican revolution” of 94, anybody remember that? Of course even though the GOP held the house from 1994 to 2006, and the presidency from 2000 to 2008, the recent Financial mess is soley the fault of a gay liberal (D) congressman from the NE…

Do any of you idiots have a mirror??? Or is it too frightening to actually have to look in the mirror and see the real you?

By "The Corporal"

November 15, 2008 9:40 AM | Link to this

To TN Gelding

1) France had the largest standing army at the start of WWII.

2) Was our Revolution (to free ourselves from Britain) and our Civil War (to keep the South in the Union) just wars?

3) It is ever right to take a life (someone breaking into your house to murder your family)?

By Keeping It Real

November 15, 2008 11:15 AM | Link to this

I watched the Fox News Channel last night. It appears that Newt has joined the team as a special advisor. The scary thing to me is that O’Reily, Newt, Hannity, and other special guests keep bashing Obama and hint at a separatist movement. They promote their books and blast liberals and anyone center and left in thought. If they have this many believers in their thought process, I fear that cultural clashes are coming. I detest guns, but we all may need to arm ourselves as anarchy appears to be raising its ugly head. I really believe that hate TV should be removed from the air as it is very dangerous. Why do right wing republicans not see that these guys are using them to fill their wallets by promoting fear and distrust? A bad economy is a catylst for bad things to happen. Iran,the Taliban, Bin Laden, etc. are not as scary as what is going on here at home. America needs to take a look in the mirror.

By Copyleft

November 17, 2008 8:06 AM | Link to this

You must understand, it’s important that WE spend billions on unneeded military defense of other countries.

Why? So that THEY can selfishly spend THEIR budgets on their own people, their own infrastructure, and their own internal needs. Why, if we didn’t waste billions defending other countries (who didn’t even ask us to), we’d be forced to do the same! And we surely can’t spend our money on ourselves.

Gee, that “sucker” sign sure looks good on us, doesn’t it?