Jay Bookman

By AJC/DNC Management

November 13, 2008 12:10 PM | Link to this

I wouldn’t talk about Oblahmi either, with the failing economy and all that.

By the way, the Repugs could do nothing from now until 2010, go to freaking sleep in their offices, if they wanted to, the next two years are going to be so horrifyingly bad that we will be given the House, Senate and every available Governorship across thee entire land.

Then we can start the recall process on your failed little socialist and be American heroes again.

I don’t blame you for spying on us.

CBSNEWS: Exit polls show Hillary would have beaten McCain by wider margin…

Even the libs know how bad of a choice this was.

By Road Scholar

November 13, 2008 12:22 PM | Link to this

Sounds to me that Pawlenty is a realist and has a brain to decipher the facts from fiction. The tone of the article in the Washington Post

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/12/AR2008111203112.html?hpid=topnews

implies that Jindal and Barbour share his assessment. Realists apart of a Repub world filled with whiners and blamers are the only ones that can right their ship. Palin, while savey, is too full of herself to be a viable participant to fix the party. Don’t get me wrong, she will provide debate, but few answers.

By Midori

November 13, 2008 12:22 PM | Link to this

Andy,

who is spying on whom?

Palenty made similar observations last night on Rachel Maddow’s show.

You are aware that Bush is still president, aren’t you? What in the world can Obama do about the economy? Why can’t Bush do something about it?

By TW

November 13, 2008 12:28 PM | Link to this

The GOP is over. The only way they get back into the game is by becoming Democrat light :-)

How great it will be for our democracy to once again have a realistic national debate.

Bye-bye crazy evangelicals…bye-bye Simple Sarah…bye-bye kneeling in front of the wealthy at all cost…byE-byE war profiteering…bye-bye deregulation…

AMERICA IS BACK!!!

By Fly_on_the_Wall

November 13, 2008 12:34 PM | Link to this

Seems funny that for years we’ve been telling the Righty-Tighties that Bush has been spying on the country at large not just terrorists. But they denounced us, calling us traitors (on good days) and other such crud. Now AndyDuh talks about the government spying on people like it is something new but of course he now wants to blame it on Obama & the Democrats. This projection of the Republican sins onto the Democrats just won’t work. That’s why the Republicans are getting creamed - Pawlenty is right your party has lost touch with America.

By Greg Mendel

November 13, 2008 12:41 PM | Link to this

Pawlenty’s statements remind me of a term that has become fashionable in political discourse — “branding” — that I don’t like, and may be symptomatic of a fundamental problem. “Branding” — as in the Republican “brand” or the Democratic “brand” — is plainly a marketing term, similar to “positioning.”

Obviously, politicians and their parties advertise and promote with modern marketing techniques. A “positioning statement” (to use an advertising term) is fine, but there seems to be a more methodical attempt to actually change political philosophies and principles based on focus groups and interest groups.

That strikes me as dishonest, and suggests that political pandering is now perfectly acceptable. The vast amounts of money, the hired-gun consultants, the slime, the decline in intellectual standards have, I think, been detrimental to both parties and the nation in general.

The recent election was indeed about change, but most aren’t. Often, most Americans don’t see a big difference between candidates, or believe that either choice will have much impact on them.

I wish the parties would decide on their principles of governing, state them clearly, and have campaigns filled with debates that are real debates. Campaigns and debates have become more about not losing than actually debating issues or making reasonable arguments in favor of political principles.

By Mrs. Godzilla

November 13, 2008 12:47 PM | Link to this

Yep, there’s lots a things the GOP can’t do right now.

But don’t be sad.

They are still doing the things they are best at.

Attacking. Smearing. Whining.

And if the Enquirer is to be believed again……cheating too…

By RW-(the original)

November 13, 2008 12:51 PM | Link to this

Once the liberals overreach and the blue dogs start dropping like flies in 2010 the Republicans can get back to their conservative principles. It appears the Hope and Change administration has new priorities though. The country has been put on hold or at least is being held hostage.

Well, it turns out now, the DNC’s debts are far worse than originally imagined. Today, Obama’s campaign manager David Plouffe sent another urgent e-mail to supporters seeking at least another $30.

Here’s what he said:

“We’ll get to work transforming this country. But first, we need to take care of the DNC.”

Did we hear that right? Now that Obama’s the president-elect, the top priority is the Democratic National Committee?

To drive home the point elsewhere in the same e-mail Plouffe adds: “Before we do anything else, we need to pay for this winning strategy.”

Don’t worry, you still get the Victory T-shirt for this $30. But it sounds like pretty much everything else is on hold. This change stuff is looking to be an expensive process, even before it gets started.—LA Times

By Doggone/GA

November 13, 2008 12:54 PM | Link to this

“Once the liberals overreach and the blue dogs start dropping like flies in 2010 the Republicans can get back to their conservative principles”

They’ll have to invent some first. They don’t have any right now.

By Midori

November 13, 2008 12:59 PM | Link to this

Mrs. G — I saw the Enquirer story you referred to.

Think it’s true? They certainly had John Edwards pegged.

By tcoach

November 13, 2008 1:00 PM | Link to this

Mrs. G, your 12:47 post.

Didn’t you accuse someone of being racist and they were quoting Obama from his Book?

And the GOP is attacking and smearing?

By RW-(the original)

November 13, 2008 1:02 PM | Link to this

They’ll have to invent some first.

Liberals, blue dogs, flies, Republicans, or conservative principles?

Jay B,

Was the Canton United Helpers Nursing Home the place you were talking about in the previous post? If so the facts don’t seem to match your story.

By Logical Dude

November 13, 2008 1:04 PM | Link to this

Wow, ajc/dnc, Not one word about the validity of the quote? Nothing to disagree about?

Yes, the terrible position that Bush put us into will take MANY YEARS TO UNDO.

He hurt the republicans more than you realize. And with so many partisans scared to disagree with him, Republicans lost a lot of credibility with the people. McCain was one of the few that maintained their credibility by fighting Bush and his misguided principles.

By tcoach

November 13, 2008 1:11 PM | Link to this

Bookman is what RW is stating true? If so thatis the second time this week you have thought we are all too dumb to check up on you. Shame Shame if it is true.

By Hillbilly Deluxe

November 13, 2008 1:12 PM | Link to this

In 1964 they said Republicans were doomed. In 1968 it turned around. Then along came Watergate. In 1976 they said Republicans were doomed again. In 1980 it turned around. In 1988 they said Democrats were doomed. In 1992 that turned around. Then the Contract for America and they said Democrats were doomed again. That turned around too. Things have a way of changing in a hurry. The elephant in the room is the economy. If it gets straightened out the Democrats will prosper from it. If things keep going south, people will look for change again. Most likely something we don’t even know about now will be a major factor as well. Nobody can predict the future and the only constant is change.

By AJC/DNC Management

November 13, 2008 1:16 PM | Link to this

By Midori November 13, 2008 12:22 PM Andy, You are aware that Bush is still president, aren’t you? What in the world can Obama do about the economy? Why can’t Bush do something about it?

i r o diM: Most Americans run their affairs differently then you run your life, that is reacting hysterically and on the spur of the moment to things that upset you.

No, us capitalists, having realized what is in store for the country on Jan 20th, 2009, are calmly selling all of our assets and laying off all of the Oblahmi voters that work for us.

It’s going to be a long, cold, hard winter, but we got all this cash to snuggle up to, we’ll be alright.

And you?

Dow Tumbles to Below 8,000 Amid Downbeat Data, Outlooks

bwa

By Doggone/GA

November 13, 2008 1:21 PM | Link to this

“Liberals, blue dogs, flies, Republicans, or conservative principles?”

Any principles. They can work on whether they’re good principles or bad ones after they actually GET some.

By citizen

November 13, 2008 1:24 PM | Link to this

As evidenced by our last election outcome, promise hope and change and the electorate will follow. I promise, I’ll cure your ache, I’ll get you a better job, I’ll make your love life exciting, all you have to do is show up at the poles and vote for me.

By ME

November 13, 2008 1:28 PM | Link to this

What a difference a week makes!

Pawlenty spent the last year trying to convince the public that the Republicans had the answers, now he’s saying the opposite.

When Palin was repeating the “Thanks, but no thanks” lie, Pawlenty did not have the courage to call her on it.

Which should we believe, the “old” Tim or the “new” Tim?

By Midori

November 13, 2008 1:31 PM | Link to this

Andy,

If you don’t mind, I rather you stop with the name calling and your immature, silly, uncalled for nicknames.

To be designated as “dim” from the likes of a cut and paste eunich such as yourself is insulting and preposturous.

Is that all you got?

Is that the best you can do?????

By AJC/DNC Management

November 13, 2008 1:31 PM | Link to this

By Logical Dude November 13, 2008 1:04 PM Wow, ajc/dnc, Not one word about the validity of the quote? Nothing to disagree about?

You should read back through the archived threads since election day, you may find out that I couldn’t agree more with Pawlenty.

We need to purge the Republican party of the inside the DC beltway elitists, the “reach across the aisle” moderates, the “compassionate” conservatives and all the other freaks that are part pinko.

Begone all you wormy losers.

By getalife

November 13, 2008 1:37 PM | Link to this

Andy,

So you finally got out? You took a beating man.

Told ya to get out when it hit 14,000.

Poor guy.

By G

November 13, 2008 1:45 PM | Link to this

What a sham scam the Repubs have been running for all these years.

All you hear from the GOP is racial innuendo, superiority complex, don’t tax the rich, I’m a bigger patriot than you are, Democrats aren’t Christian, Democrats will tax and spend you to death.

We know by now that’s all a bunch of elephant dung.

Once again the Democrats are coming in to clean up after a Repub mess - only this time it’s one helluva mess.

We’re not just talking recession, but possibly another great depression.

At least the country has elected a real leader in Barack Obama.

From what I can see so far, this guy is making all the right moves, whereas the last 8 years were all the wrong moves.

By Joey

November 13, 2008 1:49 PM | Link to this

O.K. I am convinced. The Republican Party is dead. There is no hope of recovery. All that remains to do is flush. Democrats will rule, I mean, govern from here to eternity.

But with Republicans gone who will the Democrats attack? Who will Jay eviscerate in his biweekly column and in this exciting blog? Will Democrat hunger for and enemy force them to turn on other, lesser, Democrats? Will moderate Democrats be the next target.

Or is it just possible that the reports of the Republican demise is exagerated? Just the excitement of a win at long last?

By RealityKing

November 13, 2008 1:55 PM | Link to this

Don’t crow too loudly Jay, the last time Dems won a 50%+ majority of the popular vote was Jimmy Carter, in 1976.

By AJC/DNC Management

November 13, 2008 1:59 PM | Link to this

By getalife November 13, 2008 1:37 PM Andy, So you finally got out? You took a beating man.

I thought you libs cataloged every word I said?

I’ve been out, for a while, save for the occasional bargain shopping/ sell for a fat profit.

Pay attention man.

By Logical Dude

November 13, 2008 2:00 PM | Link to this

Thank you AJC/DNC, I didn’t look through previous blogs, as the posting today was pretty clear.

As I read it, it looks like Pawlenty is saying “we need to get the middle”, not just “we need to stay to the right”.

Until Republicans move centrist, they’ll be relegated to being the victims of the far-right.

The Democrats successfully sold the public on them being more centrist, so more middle of the road voters voted for them. (I hope that they are more centrist, but I’ll to wait to see if that’s actually true).

By getalife

November 13, 2008 2:03 PM | Link to this

Andy,

How low do you think it will go?

By Shawny

November 13, 2008 2:04 PM | Link to this

The more things CHANGE, the more they stay the same.

Good piece.

Watch the new administration closely too. Hold them accountable for their actions.

By Goldie

November 13, 2008 2:06 PM | Link to this

If the “real conservatives” don’t take the Repug Party back from the religious extremists, that Party will be out in the wilderness for the next decade or more.

By Shawny

November 13, 2008 2:06 PM | Link to this

Great piece from the normally liberal Newsweek.

Talks to obamanomics, and how we have to be careful what we wish for. For example:

“In one direction lies a backlash against capitalism. Some blame the crisis on excesses borne of laissez-faire policies that created wealth for a few at the expense of many. Given the current crisis, that sentiment may be understandable. But it is dangerous.

History teaches us that this backlash generates a populist push that can easily morph into economic policies that turn away from free trade, tax high-income earners, impede markets in the name of redistributing income, and pander to special-interest groups that cost a lot while carrying few benefits. The result can be large and long-lived effects that depress economic activity, sometimes for decades.”

By Logical Dude

November 13, 2008 2:07 PM | Link to this

(apologies if this post is duplicated)

Thank you AJC/DNC, I didn’t look through previous blogs, as the posting today was pretty clear.

As I read it, it looks like Pawlenty is saying “we need to get the middle”, not just “we need to stay to the right”.

Until Republicans move centrist, they’ll be relegated to being the victims of the far-right.

The Democrats successfully sold the public on them being more centrist, so more middle of the road voters voted for them. (I hope that they are more centrist, but I’ll to wait to see if that’s actually true).

By Goldie

November 13, 2008 2:11 PM | Link to this

show up at the poles

Heh, heh— that’s pretty funny, citizen @ 1:24.

And, Obama won the presidency partially because your Party chose to be divisive and promoted fear-mongering, just like you did 4 years ago… and this time you were overwhelmingly defeated all across this great country of ours.

By AJC/DNC Management

November 13, 2008 2:18 PM | Link to this

By Logical Dude November 13, 2008 2:07 PM As I read it, it looks like Pawlenty is saying “we need to get the middle”, not just “we need to stay to the right”.

You may want to look again but the post says nothing about becoming “centrists.”

What do you think we ran this year and got pounded for doing so?

This is a God fearing, Conservative nation and we have tried to become part spineless liberal, look at where we are now.

Out.

~~~~~

al-Gitmo: That all depends on how long until the American people recall Oblahmi from the presidency.

Hell, 6 more months of this, it could be down to 500.

By RW-(the original)

November 13, 2008 2:20 PM | Link to this

tcoach,

I excerpted the story of the union leaving here

I tried twice to link the story, but the server kept rejecting it. A search for nursing home+union decertification will get you there.

By E

November 13, 2008 2:23 PM | Link to this

Well at least the next Republican ‘War’ will be a fun one to watch.

A huge number of reports are detailing the disgust the Mitt Romney camp has with the Sarah Palin camp! They want her just to go away - and yet they know she is a ‘star’ among the snake-handling, speaking-in-tongues, backwoods Huckabee rednecks who are the ‘base’ of the GOP and who have burrowed in at the local levels of American politics like ticks on a dog.

Few in Palin’s mob will accept Romney’s ‘magical underwear’ theology, and they have been schooled well by their odious spiritual leaders - Pat Robertson, John Hagee, James Dobson and the late Jerry Falwell.

Romney’s peeps disgust for the fringe wackjob followers of Sister Sarah is palpable; they fear a permanent split and permanent minority status (Oh that sounds soooooo good)!

So the fight begins. They have already begun to lob their verbal missiles at each other.

Oh what a lovely war!

By Greg Mendel

November 13, 2008 2:26 PM | Link to this

The 2008 election was about change. The change most voters wanted was not pie-in-the-sky. They simply wanted competent government. After living through the most dramatically incompetent administration in American history, they decided McCain (a la Palin) was not competence they could believe in.

Various posters have complained about “Bush bashing.” It’s true that I and others have spared little venom towards George Bush — for good reason. George Bush has bashed the nation. Bashed it so thoroughly and so broadly that we may never regain the world leadership we once had.

Bush wrecked America’s economy and reputation with the whole-hearted support of radical Republicans. Extremists.

The GOP is learning what the Democrats learned: that they will never win another election by allowing their party to be governed by its extremes.

Obama is no far-left liberal, and won’t govern like one. “Spreading the wealth” was a reference to the purpose of taxation. Taxes spread the nation’s wealth like insurance companies use premiums for the common protection of policy holders.

Bush began his presidency in an environment of peace and prosperity, and with a fiscal surplus left to him by Bill Clinton. He turned the country around, leaving Obama (and all Americans) with economic catastrophe, war, fear, and division. George Herbert Walker Bush presided during the collapse of communism. His son may end his presidency with the collapse of capitalism. But, with Dubya, the buck never stops with him. It stops with us.

PS: Guess who is STILL president?

By RealityKing

November 13, 2008 2:27 PM | Link to this

When the ideals of smaller, less intrusive government fall by the way side.., America will have reached the pentacle of its power.

By Goldie

November 13, 2008 2:29 PM | Link to this

E @ 2:23 — I agree, and I’m stocking up on the popcorn now in preparation for all the entertainment to come in the next 4 years!

By "The Corporal"

November 13, 2008 2:32 PM | Link to this

So the answer is to become Democrats under another name? Never!

No, the answer is to stay true to our core beliefs and when the next crisis comes (as it will) we will be there and ready.

When that happens, a large portion of the American electorate will come back to us. We won’t have to go to them …….

By RealityKing

November 13, 2008 2:33 PM | Link to this

Best of all.. No more Clintons!!

By Joey

November 13, 2008 2:33 PM | Link to this

The argument that the US News Media is clearly part and parcel of the Democrat Party is demonstrated so well in the joy they express each time they write about trouble and turmoil in the Republican Party.

Compare these stories to the outrage and agony in news stories after the 2000 and 2004 elections.

This can be denied, but cannot be hidden.

By E

November 13, 2008 2:35 PM | Link to this

Hey Goldie at 2:29,

I do love popcorn!

I’m wondering - do you think that possibly, maybe, McCain shared his info with Palin about exactly where bin Laden is and how to get him?

Heck, maybe she should be water-boarded!

By AJC/DNC Management

November 13, 2008 2:35 PM | Link to this

Look at the goon squad as they scheme and plot against the Treasury

No wonder the economy is plunging.

By Soixante huitard

November 13, 2008 2:38 PM | Link to this

Nobody can predict the future and the only constant is change.

BUT, plus ca change …. plus ……

By AmVet

November 13, 2008 2:40 PM | Link to this

Conservative principles???

What a joke.

So for you brain dead neo-cons here posing as conservatives, these are some ACTUAL conservative principles that perhaps your grandchildren will learn about and employ:

• start electing veterans and patriots to Congress and recruiting the patriots already in government to their cause

• oppose damaging trade agreements like NAFTA as being contrary to our sovereignty, antidemocratic, and against the interests of the American people

• oppose illegal immigration not as hate mongering xenophobes, but because it is a means by which the corporate elite exploit immigrants and depress the wages of all working Americans

• oppose the intrusion of Reagan/Meese government into our private lives. In other words insist that government concern itself more with morality in the boardroom and the war room than in the bedroom

  • oppose silly attempts to add unnecessary amendments, such as defining marriage, to the Constitution

• oppose our nation becoming entangled in needless, wanton and deadly foreign military schemes not essential to our national security and who primarily benefit corporate interests

• insist that our government fully fund the VA and fulfill its responsibility to care for our veterans and their families (unlike Saxby and the other chicken hawks)

• not tolerate “borrow and spend” government, which saddles our grandchildren with trillions in debt and gives China the ability to bankrupt us at will. And demand a return to balanced budgets and fiscal responsibility

• oppose a closed, manipulative, and secretive government, and demand the truth from our elected officials rather than backroom conspiratorial meetings like the ones between Dick “I’m redefining the VPs role” Cheney and Ken Lay

• reject the misnamed Patriot Act, warrantless wiretaps, the loss of “habeas corpus,” and all other attacks on our freedoms enshrined in the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights

• not tolerate infringement of our first amendment rights to freedom of speech, freedom of and from religion, freedom of assembly, and redress of grievances

• not suppress, silence or disregard any and all opinions and views contrary to the ones you want to hear

  • agree with Teddy Roosevelt and others who insist that dissent is often the height of patriotism, and will not stand for dissenters being interred as “enemy combatants.”

More to come.

By AJC/DNC Management

November 13, 2008 2:42 PM | Link to this

Obama’s campaign was criticized for mis-categorizing the purpose of a $832,598 payment to ACORN consultants, Politico’s Kenneth P. Vogel reminded readers. And FEC officials identified hundreds of contributor records that lacked sufficient information, and donors who had given more than the $4,600 limit, Vogel reported.-DenverPost

A thorough audit of the Oblahmi campaign is in order.

Let’s just see where the money came from.

And just who it was that bought themselves a president.

Never mind that we already know who put the office up for sale.

By "The Corporal"

November 13, 2008 2:45 PM | Link to this

CBSNEWS: “Exit polls show Hillary would have beaten McCain by wider margin…”

Don’t you just know she is one unhappy woman. I would tread a wide path around her for awhile Bill ……….

By Abomi Nation

November 13, 2008 2:51 PM | Link to this

Stay the Course Republicans. Lets tackle one of your stay the course issues. We need some answers.

Yesterday was the first anniversary of Governor Sonny Perdue’s (Republican) “Pray For Rain” vigil. Like any other issue its time to bring up the results. “Pray For Rain” people, you have a few questions to answer. The public demands some accountability on this.

Since this was led by our Governor, in public, we have a right to know………..

In the one year since “Pray For Rain” the rain deficit has increased. The “Pray for Rain” deficit is now at 9 inches. Why?

A few days after “Pray For Rain,” it did indeed rain. You claimed your prayers worked. The drought returned immediately after. Why no follow up “Pray for Rain” if the first one worked? We’re running out of water!!!!

Were prayers intended for “Pray for Rain” actually diverted to the Georgia Bulldog football team?

Lets talk about the issues people. The issues that are still important to Republicans.

By AmVet

November 13, 2008 2:52 PM | Link to this

From above:

• insist that our government fulfill its Constitutional responsibility to provide for the general welfare by agreeing with the liberals that this must mean providing health care, including prescription drugs, for ALL Americans. (The most fiscally responsible way to do that is to eliminate the overhead, profit, red tape, and obstructionism of the insurance companies by removing them from health care altogether with a Single-Payer National Health system.)

• quit denying our responsibility to conserve the environment, our natural resources, and the beauty of our land, so that we may pass these on to our children and their children for generations to come. Acknowledge their role as stewards of this planet, and not tolerate a government which puts it at risk or allows corporate interests to do so

• as fiscal conservatives, insist that polluters clean up their own messes instead of forcing the taxpayers to bail them out. Destructive activities such as strip mining, clear-cut logging, and the burning of fossil fuels should be taxed sufficiently to provide the funds needed for repair and amelioration. There is no industrial free lunch, and there should be no corporate welfare.

• declare that government should serve the people; not the big money interests and giant multinationals. Declare that corporations and other fictitious entities are not people and should have none of the rights and responsibilities thereof under the U.S. Constitution. This means, for example, that corporations have no Constitutional right to buy up politicians through campaign contributions and other favors, nor to buy elections through unlimited “issue ads.”

• declare that the conservative principle of limited government is not so much about government’s size as it is about what government can do and whom government should serve - the people. The present partnership between giant corporations and big government is precisely what Mussolini defined as fascism. Once and for all dispel the myth that conservative political philosophy favors the rich and big business. It does not. True conservatism honors individual rights and puts people first

• insist that employers who entice illegal aliens across the border and exploit them in order to avoid having to pay American workers a decent wage should be fined and jailed

• end the incarceration of those who have violated minor drug laws. And repeal said laws.

• Allow people to die with dignity, as they choose. Allow them to seek out professional help in facilitating this choice.

• Demand that the many criminals responsible for this current financial “crisis” be held accountable and answer to the call of justice

Perhaps in a few more decades when the current crop of neo-cons are all dead, infirm or officially in a vegetative state, this conservative dream will become a reality.

And even then it is likely it will not arise from within the Republican Party.

By Soixante huitard

November 13, 2008 2:54 PM | Link to this

*insist that government concern itself more with morality in the boardroom and the war room than in the bedroom.

Well said, AmVet.

Almost sounds like a conervatism I could sign on to.

By RW-(the original)

November 13, 2008 2:54 PM | Link to this

Oh great, the mad spammer is back. I guess I’ll go spread the wealth.

Later!

By Peter

November 13, 2008 2:57 PM | Link to this

Since the election Sarah Palin has wanted to disassociate herself with her past (just hours prior), and reinvent herself and her party. It is an apparent attempt to instantly reinvent the party into anything else but the failure it has been through Duh-bya’s administration.

We were insulted by the hypocrisy that appeared every time the Republicans opened their mouths. (Obama’s inexperience matters and they pick Palin, for example.)

They now insult us by expecting that we have forgotten anything that happened two weeks ago (while they were digging Ayers up from decades ago).

From what I hear from the Sons of Confederate Veterans … it will take a long time for forgit.

By AmVet

November 13, 2008 3:08 PM | Link to this

Soixante huitard, it’s good to have a dream.

And to see how the “conservatives” react!

(While the right-wing poosy just runs away…)

By mm

November 13, 2008 3:15 PM | Link to this

Who the h*ll cares if Hillary would have beaten McCain by a wider margin? This isn’t college football.

McCain would have lost by a smaller margin if he had picked anyone other than Palin.

And wingnuts, keep believing you lost the election because you weren’t conservative enough. You’re making it alot easier in 2010 and 2012.

Keep pushing the marriage silliness and the abortion issue. Excluding the racist vote, that leaves about 20% of America to support your cause.

And by all means, keep stabbing each other in the back.

By GayGrayGeek

November 13, 2008 3:17 PM | Link to this

AmVet - I tip my hat in your direction. If the Republicans had followed these truly, capital-C Conservative principles, there’s a danged fine chance that my spouse and I would still be paying our taxes to a state and the U.S. government, rather than he and I paying to a province and the Canadian government. After being “shown the door” in 2004 in Georgia then again in 2006 in South Carolina with the hateful Marriage Discrimiation Amendments, we were married in Canada in the summer of 2007 and moved here in the summer of 2008.

By Midori

November 13, 2008 3:18 PM | Link to this

Who the hll cares if Hillary would have beaten McCain by a wider margin? This isn’t college football.*

LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!

By Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

November 13, 2008 3:19 PM | Link to this

Jay, about your blog entry, “Tell me again how the media were unfair to Palin” - how about MSNBC’s diligence with respect to its “Africa = country” report. Also makes Rather seem like a guy who tried to be fair. What do you think, Jay?

By Soixante huitard

November 13, 2008 3:23 PM | Link to this

Yes it is, AmVet.

Maybe it’s in the head of a Schwarzenegger, who knows?

Funny how the word conservative starts with the word con, which is a word you can really do a lot with, and not just in English.

One big conservative for ex. from Alaska is getting ready to be one.

In French, it’s really good. Con: bloody idiot, stupid jerk (colloquial); etc. Add a vowel to it and you get more colorful possibilities.

Btw, as to how they react, that’s the thing with conservatives - that’s all they do is react. Guess that’s what they do as reactionaries.

By Soixante huitard

November 13, 2008 3:30 PM | Link to this

Who the hll cares if Hillary would have beaten McCain by a wider margin? This isn’t college football.

But if it was, our bench would destroy their first stringers. :-)

By AmVet

November 13, 2008 3:32 PM | Link to this

GGG, what you have endured and what continues to happen in this country is a travesty.

I cannot understand why such a sizable percentage of American people are so preoccupied with other people’s personal lives.

Is it because theirs are so shallow and meaningless?

As long as their angry gods “command” them to do these things, there is little hope that America will ever catch up with the other civilized nations in this world in throwing off it’s violent and bigoted past and start truly providing for the common welfare.

All we can do is keep working hard to ensure that the Republicans keep getting decimated in elections.

The good news is that I don’t see that changing soon…

By Tom

November 13, 2008 3:35 PM | Link to this

We have seen what the Repugs can do when they are in power. Again and again and again. I recall the Ike recession, the Nixon recession, the Ray Gun recession, the 2 Bushdrunk nightmares. Ridiculous wars that cannot be “won” and deserve not to be “won” - started and continued by professional cowards obsessed with power. The Nation has been crazily raped for 8 years now, and it will continue. Meanwhile, those who never had anything or owned anything - want even more Republiscum “leadership.” One has only to gaze at these blogs - or count the votes of the ignorant.

By Greg Mendel

November 13, 2008 3:40 PM | Link to this

I don’t disagree with any of the points Amvet posted (above). Does that make me conservative? I consider them pretty reasonable and centerist.

They have one thing in common: they’re not selfish. They apply to the common good.

ALL extremists, right and left, are completely selfish. Not only selfish, but aggressively selfish — to the point of being busybodies.

I think both sides of the political spectrum are inclined to see members of the other side through the prism of extremes. In other words, liberals tend to see ALL conservatives as Sean Hannity. Conservatives regard ALL liberals as Bill Ayers.

By TN Gelding

November 13, 2008 3:56 PM | Link to this

AJC/DNC Management

November 13, 2008 12:10 PM

You’re going to impeach Obama because of the recession he is inheriting from your spoiled mommy’s boy?

Straight from the horse’s mouth.

*Government’s first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives.

~Ronald Reagan

By AJC/DNC Management

November 13, 2008 4:20 PM | Link to this

Horsey: Last time I looked the economy was making millionaires out of people like Oblahmi but that was before the democrats were put in charge of the Congress, where all spending originates.

And before they went and nominated a socialist.

Since then it has been all downhill.

Is that all you can say is “Bushie bad?”

By Mrs. Godzilla

November 13, 2008 4:21 PM | Link to this

TAKE THE PAINT AWAY FROM THE GOP

Give them crayons.

By Dusty

November 13, 2008 4:39 PM | Link to this

Let’s tidy up this place before Bookman jumps to another subject he just read. What a bunch of err(what’s the French word for “jerks”, Soixie? I’m sure you have heard it many times.).

Greg Mendel@2:26—He forgot to mention that trifle in history…9/11!

E@2:35—suggests water-boarding Sarah Palin. What a cute liberal and woman hater!

AmVet @2:40 Hates conservatives, talks “marriage”, wants Vets for Dependency, hates spending except for his favorite “things”, Hates Homeland Defense, does not want dissenters being interred as ‘enemy combatants’. (Like those as Guantanamo?) and @3:08 What’s a poosy?

Abomi Nation@2:51 blames Governor Perdue ‘cause it won’t rain when he wants it to rain.

GGG@3:17 wants to tell us about his private life. But U did the right thing, GGG. If you don’t like the USA, move!!

AmVet@3:32 plans for togetherness in America. Insure that Republicans keep getting decimated in elections.

Greg Mendel@3:40 an extremist who believes all extremists see things through a prism of extremism. He should know.

Don’t feel bad if I missed you. This is Bookman’s blog. I can’t get to everybody!!

By mandrake

November 13, 2008 4:48 PM | Link to this

Sir Soixeeny Tard, I am curious; in one of your tiresome ladles of anarchistic dribble you told everyone here that you are a member of the “Liberal Elite”. The term in itself is somewhat of an oxymoron. My question is, how exactly does one go being bestowed with such a lofty title? Was it bequeathed to you by some secret society of left lean/anarchist “intelligentisias? In your case, I don’t think so. I think that you came to that conclusion all by yourself which is kind of sad. I think you may have a little college education(or maybe a lot, it really makes no difference nowadays) and you have read a few books and a lot of internet. Either way, the most probable scenario is your lack of social skills and your personal frustration drive you to return again and again to this liberal water hole in your never ending search for validation. Believe this Moby, there is no validation to be found in interacting with faceless strangers over fiber optic cables and satellites. Out of all of the words you have written on Bookmans Bible Blog, I have as of yet to hear an original thought come out of your brain. You borrow from other people and spout what anyone can learn in any political science or sociology class in any of many fine institutions of higher (or lower) learning or on the “The View”.

Your Condenscension and arrogance makes it very apparent that you are, through repetive boorish diatribes screaming out, “Look at me, I’m really smart! Real people in the real world may not recognize by genius but you drones out there MUST recognize my superiority”. It is painful to watch. There is nothing sorrier or sadder that a Dollar Store Intellectual. My advice, old bean is, turn the computer off, go take a bath, put on some clothes and go outside to the real world. You will be much happier. Then again, maybe not.

By the way, if you truly have read Lenin and you know the history of what he did to his country and STILL admire his socilogical philosophy, then you may be beyond repair. Progressive Thinker indeed. Ta-Ta my blowhard friend.

By Taxpayer

November 13, 2008 4:51 PM | Link to this

Awww. You guys done gone and hurt poor Dusty’s feeling AGAIN. Did someone say something like Bush Sucks, or something similar, besides me, that is. Further, using Andy’s “logic”, did Obama change his mind about becoming President in January. Surely something earth-shattering caused that 550 point jump in the DOW. You guys surely do know how to entertain. Keep up the good jokes, Andy and Dusty.

By Soixante huitard

November 13, 2008 4:52 PM | Link to this

Wow, Jay is taking his time lately - letting these threads grow juicy on the vine - or is it wither? - or grow stinky?

Well anyway, you’re right Dusty, the stupid jerk goes both ways and I’ve been know to wear that on my collar once or twice. Well maybe once. Anyway, see you later for some more chump chat …

Btw, Free Martin Eisenstadt!!!!!!!

By GayGrayGeek

November 13, 2008 5:16 PM | Link to this

DustBuster - Don’t you have somewhere important to visit? Say, that AFEES office to put your money where your mouth - or, at least, your keyboard - is?

By Dusty

November 13, 2008 5:19 PM | Link to this

Soixie 4:52

Which Martin Eisenstadt you want to “free”? There are TWO with that name.

The guilty one or the innocent one? Let me guess. The guilty one who tried to ruin Sarah Palin with lies? Uh huh.

By Soixante huitard

November 13, 2008 5:19 PM | Link to this

Sir Soixeeny Tard, I am curious; in one of your tiresome ladles of anarchistic dribble you told everyone here that you are a member of the “Liberal Elite”.

Ah, glad you mention this mandrake. I was just on the point of posting a nice little bit from a conservative blogger about this business of liberal IQ, etc. You really ought to check it out Seems one of the dastardly tricks we liberals have been playing on you guys (and it’s about time we got up to some tricks, having been taken to the woodshed for more years than i care to remember, but I digress) is to convince the populace that we’re the smart ones. I don’t know if that’s true or not, but man! did you see some of those farmers and simple folk in that documentary the other night on Lee Atwater? Man they looked dumb! One of ‘em actually said if Michael Dukakis - very communistic name if I might say so - gets to takin away our guns, why that might just turn us into a bunch a communists. But anyway, far be it from me to impugn the intelligence of the good folk to roused to the call of Atwater, and then Rove after him, cause I’m sure that’s got nothing to do with the Republicans current troubles in all. I’m sure that was just a side story.

But to get to your points (and by the way, I love it when you mix in culinary metaphors with your posts, that reminds me of one of my hobbies, which is cooking - don’t worry though mandrake, I don’t ‘eat Dijon from a can’ in Lee Atwater’s timeless phrase, I dip it right out of the jar):

My question is, how exactly does one go being bestowed with such a lofty title?

I don’t know mandrake, but I think it was just due to trying just about everything under the sun I could and never having anything pan out, till finally I just said, ‘aw hell’, I’ll just go be a radical anarchist intellectshal or sumpin’, see if that works.’ So I never really looked back.

Was it bequeathed to you by some secret society of left lean/anarchist “intelligentisias?

Naw, I just started using it, and no one really challenged me, so I kept it.

I think you may have a little college education(or maybe a lot, it really makes no difference nowadays)’

That’s right - the second one.

the most probable scenario is your lack of social skills

Some folks might agree with that one. I can’t tell you myself, cause that’s kind of hard to judge yerself on, you know?

and your personal frustration drive you to return again and again to this liberal water hole in your never ending search for validation. Believe this Moby, there is no validation to be found in interacting with faceless strangers over fiber optic cables and satellites.

It’s been gradjally comin to me mandrake, this very insight. I’m finally startin to see the light.

You borrow from other people and spout what anyone can learn in any political science or sociology class in any of many fine institutions of higher (or lower) learning or on the “The View”.

That’s right mandrake, I ain’t never claimed to be no original thinker, I just trying to keep a good dialog a goin, you know, that way why we might come out a little smarter then when we done gone in. I know it might not be everyone’s cup a tea, but you know, to each fellar as he pleases, s’what i always say.

Well, I’ll try to get to your other points in good time, I gotto get back up to the house and help out the missez, and get them ol’ cows milked. But I’ll talk to you later. You take care. …

By Dusty

November 13, 2008 5:21 PM | Link to this

GGG, 5:16

Enjoy the cold weather in Canada. Maybe they will let YOU join the military.

By mandrake

November 13, 2008 5:42 PM | Link to this

I am now convinced more than ever that we need a strong third party in this nation. I have historically leaned towards conservatism. That being said, the only thing that Bush did right, which was very important, was stop any further terrorist attacks on us during his watch. He was handed a terrible set of cards, set up by previous administrations from the very beginning. But that is no excuse because the buck does truly stop with him. His biggest mistake was underestimating the greed and corruption in corporate America and in his own congress, in both parties. Most importantly I am an American. To wish ill of our new president is to wish ill on myself, my family and my country. I will not stoop to the levels the Democrats and the press did in attacking Bush. That is the difference between true Conservatives and Liberals. Liberals want to win at any cost. True Conservatives want what is best for their country even if it means supporting an administration which is idealogically opposite of what they believe. There is one thing though; don’t think for one minute that the liberals such as Frank, Pelosi and Dodd weren’t just as responsible for the downfall of the American economy as the Republicans. They just hid it better and had the blinding influence of the press to protect them.

By AmVet

November 13, 2008 5:45 PM | Link to this

Useless –adjective

By Scar Let OHara

November 13, 2008 5:49 PM | Link to this

I do originals. Ralllly, I do. And, that’s no Mayapple.

By Dusty

November 13, 2008 5:57 PM | Link to this

AmVet,5:45

Take an aspirin. You will feel better.

By AmVet

November 13, 2008 6:05 PM | Link to this

Dusty, I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again.

You are the perfect modern day Joseph Goebbels.

By Pearson

November 13, 2008 7:16 PM | Link to this

Please Soixante huitard, stop posting! No one reads your 3 page diatribes past the 2nd paragraph I’m sure. I don’t care what way you lean politically, give it a rest. Keep it short and to the point if you must post, please. I’m sure you have an opinion; make it. It doesn’t take war and peace to make it. Thanks from anyone who either reads or writes to this blog.

By Greg Mendel

November 13, 2008 7:24 PM | Link to this

Amvet:

Speaking of Josef Goebbels, as the Reich collapsed, he stepped onto a balcony and made a speech about total war, how Germany would win, that the volk must have faith in the coming wonder weapons, etc.

The crowd, standing among the smoking rubble of Berlin, went wild, cheering and heiling, and so on. Goebbels knew only a fool could believe Germany had a chance. He had expected to be jeered. He was dumbfounded at the crowd’s blind faith and denial of reality.

“They are mad!” he said to his staff, when he stepped back inside.

By Taxpayer

November 13, 2008 7:26 PM | Link to this

Pearson,

You would do well to scan the entire thread before jumping to conclusions about an individual blogger.

By Opie South

November 13, 2008 7:46 PM | Link to this

I have 2 comments. 1. All the worshippers of Obama were crying they were for change. Ok, change to what? Do you know any other words? And don’t just say change from Bush as that says nothing. Please tell me where we are going. 2. It would not have mattered what woman ran with McCain the press would have attacked her. He could have picked an ivy league educated liberal and I believe they would have went after her. Why? All that are so educated tell me as I am just a South Georgia hick.

By Algonquin J. Calhoun

November 13, 2008 8:17 PM | Link to this

Opie,

The change I voted for is a restoration of the Constitution and government’s duty to uphold it and abide by it. I voted to end our involvement in Iraq and the torturing of detainees we’ve engaged in. I voted for Obama because he’s promised to end the unsound fiscal policies of the Bush regime. I voted for him because he’s made finding bin Laden, and killing him, the top priority it always should have been! Obama has pledged to clean up our government which was riddled with financial, sexual and moral impropriety under the disgraceful Bush administration. We’re going to hold him to all these pledges. We want it done!

By fearless fosdik

November 13, 2008 8:25 PM | Link to this

How bad must the GOP feel right now?

It portrayed Obama as a socialist, a communist, a Muslim, an America hater,
and a friend of terrorists. And of course a corrupt Chicago politician!

The majority of American voters said, “Y’know, we’re O.K. with that, as long as he’s not a Republican.”

HAA…HAA…HAA

By dirty harry

November 13, 2008 8:38 PM | Link to this

By Opie South

November 13, 2008 7:46 PM

Opie let me attempt to help you in your quandry….

After nearly eight years of a president who could barely form a coherent sentence. Much less a strategic thought…what Obama’s election means is that brains are back.

Sense and pragmatism and the idea of considering-all-the-options are back. Studying one’s enemies and thinking through strategic problems are back. Cultural understanding is back. Yahooism and jingoism and junk science about global warming and shabby legal reasoning about torture are out. The national culture of flag-pin shallowness that guided our foreign policy is gone with the wind. And for this reason as much as any, perhaps we can now renew our pride in being Americans.

By Opie South

November 13, 2008 8:57 PM | Link to this

Algonquin J. Calhoun, I agree with all you said. I am a Republican that did not like Bush nor McCain and felt I had little choice in the election. Obama appeared to far to the left for me and I never figured out exactly where McCain was. I am not for gun control though and not keen on distribution of wealth although with my income I would probably gain as I live on a fixed income that does not go far anymore. So many though were only saying they wanted change but had no idea what to and I did speak to 2 Obama supporters that could not answer any of my questions. All they told me was change. Now we have to work together as Americans and not Democrats or Republicans and like you said hold him to his pledges. Thanks for your response.

By ron

November 13, 2008 9:34 PM | Link to this

The Republicans are casting arond looking for direction.There is a lot of talk about gong back to their roots and values.Back is not the right direction.Forward is the correct word.I’ve seen their roots and values and I was not impressed.The “I’ve got mine and if you didn’t get yours,sucks to be you”philosophy doesn’t cut it anymore.People are sick of that thinking.It’s time the once richest nation on earth started taking care of all of it’s people.If Republicans don’t get that message and rearrange their thinking,I hope they wander the wilderness for a long time.

By Soixante huitard

November 13, 2008 10:41 PM | Link to this

The majority of American voters said, “Y’know, we’re O.K. with that, as long as he’s not a Republican.

Bravo.

By Algonquin J. Calhoun

November 14, 2008 12:30 AM | Link to this

Opie, the re-distribution of the wealth you’ve heard so much about is that corporations will have to pay their fair share of taxes. In the past, they’ve not done that. The higher income people have escaped as well. Obama’s plan is to raise taxes on individuals who make a quarter million, or more, dollars per year. If you make two hundred thousand or less your taxes will not go up at all. His plan is to make the load lighter for those of us in the middle so that we can have sonething to show for our labors. While the Republicans bail out the very thieves who’ve put our countrty into bankruptcy, Barack is looking for ways to reduce our national debt and to help the middle class, salt of the Earth get the rewards they deserve. Our middle class people work very hard. They produce what products we make anymore. Barack want to stop rewardeing companies that move their operations to lands where they can have slave labor, pay little taxes and abandon the American worker who served them so well. That’s what he wants to do and he’s already on the job, doing what he can before inauguration. He’s a good guy Opie, the guy we need for this grave time!

By artatlarge

November 14, 2008 1:04 AM | Link to this

AJC/DNC Management’s solution for rebuilding the Republican party is to do away with moderates and bipartisans. I love it! The Republicans just weren’t intolerant, fearful, ignorant, hateful, hypocritical, self-righteous, sarcastic, and greedy enough?

By ron

November 14, 2008 4:52 AM | Link to this

Algonquin J.——Somehow I don’t see Obama as any great upholder of The Constitution.leftists usually have a different view of the document than the rest of the country.I believe he has the potential to do more harm than Bush.Check back in four years.

By Guy

November 14, 2008 5:23 AM | Link to this

The Democrats are a party of lazy people that are expecting handouts or bailouts from their government.

By Guy

November 14, 2008 5:24 AM | Link to this

The Democrats are a party of lazy people that are expecting handouts or bailouts from their government.

By tim

November 14, 2008 6:19 AM | Link to this

You REPUGLICANS lost!! Your president is an idiot,and you are a party for greedy old,white men who are so out of touch with reality,it’s funny.The U.S. is composed of more that just you guys.Nothing will ever be the same as it was ever again. And that is the way it should be!!!

By yankee

November 14, 2008 7:40 AM | Link to this

Guy, figure out the “post” before you figure out more than half the population.

By TN Gelding

November 14, 2008 7:52 AM | Link to this

* AJC/DNC Management*

November 13, 2008 4:20 PM

He and his administration are saying it themselves.

But you aren’t listening. They should have done something at the beginning when the price of oil shot up. We’re paying for 7 years, 9 months and 24 days of fiscal and monetary mismanagement. His ownership society built on bad credit and low interest rates “toppled” like the house of cards it was.

The constitution supposes, what the History of all Governments demonstrates, that the Executive is the branch of power most interested in war, and most prone to it.

– James Madison

By Opie South

November 14, 2008 8:27 AM | Link to this

I believe what Algonquin J. Calhoun said makes sense. The problem is whether it is the truth and the whole truth from Obama. I think Algonquin believes it and sounds good as did most of Obama’s speeches but are we getting the president that made the speeches or the president that was the most liberal senator in congress? Is he for or against gun control? What is the cut off level for taxes? $250,000 or $220,000, or $150,000 or $42.000? What is this civilian defense force? Is he for or against censorship of the left or the right? I still am not sure what kind of president we elected. Now, Bush is the past. Forget Bush. We need to address the future of this country and hope and pray we remain free to express our opinions and defend our homes. All Democrats are not lazy and all Republicans are not idiots as some have expressed! I did not like the Bush administration but neither do I want to live in a socialist society regardless of the party name.

By Mrs. Godzilla

November 14, 2008 8:34 AM | Link to this

Morning All….

Still pondering how the GOP can work out it’s internal issues?

Just add a little spray PAM and let ‘em work ‘em out!

UGH!

By Mike

November 14, 2008 8:35 AM | Link to this

The thing that is missing from his comments, and really from all Republican dialog, is helping the common folk. All they are talking about is winning an election.

They try to promise each voting block what they want, with no intention of following thru. The religious fringe groups want abortion outlawed, ain’t gonna happen. Hispanics want amnesty for all illegals, ain’t gonna happen. Promises, implied promise, just whatever it takes to get elected. Remember when Saxby slimed Max? Whatever it takes to get elected so they can step up to the feeding trough.

Mike

By Opie South

November 14, 2008 8:46 AM | Link to this

Mrs Godzilla, Morniing, Spray pam is not needed. Tim Pawlenty has got it right and is a good choice to be one of the new leaders of the Republican Party along with Bobby Jindel, Michael Steele, Sarah Palin (no matter if you like her or not she is still a force), and Rick Perry. The struggles within the party will be worked out by the elections in 2010 when no one can blame Bush anymore. I hope Mr Steele is elected chairman of the party. When he and the governors take control the party will move forward.

By TN Gelding

November 14, 2008 8:47 AM | Link to this

The liberals are coming, the liberals are coming!

Together we must learn how to compose difference, not with arms, but with intellect and decent purpose.

~Dwight D. Eisenhower

By Mrs. Godzilla

November 14, 2008 8:55 AM | Link to this

Golly Gee Opie!

Bobby “The Excorcist” Jindahl and Sarah Pailin are non starters for all but the 25% of Americans who are still swallowing the neo-con agenda. It’ll never happen.

Steele. He appears to be reasonable.

And the PAM would be fun!

By TN Gelding

November 14, 2008 9:02 AM | Link to this

Opie South

November 14, 2008 8:46 AM

What about Sonny?

By Mrs. Godzilla

November 14, 2008 9:12 AM | Link to this

I take back that Steele reasonable stuff….I forgot about this

So we have two flavors of GOP to select from.

Incompentents or Dirty Tricksters.

Come on Party of Eisenhower…..we need more better choices.

By TN Gelding

November 14, 2008 9:22 AM | Link to this

What are we teaching our children?

There is no glory in battle worth the blood it costs.

~Dwight D. Eisenhower

By Mort Merkel

November 14, 2008 9:27 AM | Link to this

Since commenting isn’t working on the post I want to respond to, I’ll do it here.

The Talibaptists and Pentacost-al-qaedas make it impossible for me to declare myself Republican. I’m conservative on many issues, but live-and-let-live on social issues. “The Base,” (hmmm, where have we heard that before?) has the attitude of, “Love the sinner, change the law to make their behavior a crime.” And, I just can’t warm up to that. Sorry.

By MHS

November 14, 2008 9:33 AM | Link to this

By Mrs. Godzilla

November 13, 2008 12:47 PM | Link to this

And if the Enquirer is to be believed again……cheating too…

Glad to see you are getting all your information from such a credible source. I guess that is how Obama so easily sold you a bill of goods. I hope he does well but just the same I would not bet $.50 on it.

By Opie South

November 14, 2008 9:50 AM | Link to this

TN Gelding, What about Sonny? Mrs Godzilla, What is wrong with Michael Steele? Did I miss something? Is there any Republican that any of you consider as capable???? I am afraid MHS is right though.

By Mort Merkel

November 14, 2008 9:54 AM | Link to this

I hope it’s not true. But, the National Enquirer is actually, despite its sensationalist nature, remarkably accurate.

By Mrs. Godzilla

November 14, 2008 9:59 AM | Link to this

MHS

Dear heart,

As much as we may not like it The Enquirer has been right on all this stuff. Face facts dude.

If Obama does not succeed you won’t have 50 bucks to bet!

BTW, Obama has never had a bill of goods to sell. That would have been the failed GOP ticket with a shopping cart full of last centuries ideas.

By TN Gelding

November 14, 2008 10:01 AM | Link to this

Opie South

November 14, 2008 9:50 AM

You left him out.

You’re right. The Republicans are blessed with good governors, any one of which could step forward and lead the party. Except for Palin. I think her appearence in Miami is her last hurrah.

We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security.

~Dwight D. Eisenhower

By Mrs. Godzilla

November 14, 2008 10:08 AM | Link to this

Opie - see 9:12 link for what you missed.

Click on the blue part….

By Opie South

November 14, 2008 10:10 AM | Link to this

TN Gelding, I left him out on purpose. As far as Palin, it depends on the events of the next two years. I do believe the Republican party has some of the best in the governors and I could easily vote for Pawlenty, Crist, or Perry for president. Now watch for critical comments on all three.

By Opie South

November 14, 2008 10:23 AM | Link to this

Mrs Godzilla, Sorry, I had not heard that. Interesting. I thought the Republican Party had a minority I could believe in. Tell me, is there any Republican that you could vote for? I can name one Democrat I could.

By The GOP Plan

November 14, 2008 10:39 AM | Link to this

So, basically what the GOP needs to do is to come up with a plan to promise these “entitlement seeking” segments of the population that the government will take over all of their care and feeding and there is no reason for them to take any responsibility for their actions and decisions nor ever try to achieve anything more that their fellow “citizen” because if they do the government will declare “let’s play fair” and adjust or level the financial playing field….

Gosh, where have we just heard this plan????

By EducatedGeorgian

November 14, 2008 10:39 AM | Link to this

Oh Dear Lord, how I pray that Sarah Palin is the future of the Republican party. A 100% guaranteed way to ensure that their support continues to narrow to the backwoods, ignorant corners of our great nation!

By Nurse Ratchet

November 14, 2008 10:43 AM | Link to this

Basically, the GOP (Gangsters on Parade) can’t compete…

‘Nuff said…

Peace

By Tom

November 14, 2008 11:16 AM | Link to this

Zell had it right, he just identified the wrong party.

The GOP: A National Party No More.

By TN Gelding

November 14, 2008 12:09 PM | Link to this

First for woman general.

I think that people want peace so much that one of these days government had better get out of their way and let them have it.

~Dwight D. Eisenhower

By Mike K.

November 14, 2008 12:47 PM | Link to this

Well gee whiz, Tim.

Why don’t we just fold up the tent and just let everyone vote on every issue via internet — true democracy. Just give the people (generally ignorant though they may be) whatever they want.

Man up, dude. Sometimes doing the right thing (no pun intended) is hard and unpopular. If the lemmings in the northeast, west coast, etc. don’t want to go with you, let them take the reins and run us off the cliff.

The problem with the GOP is that they’ve spent the last few years TRYING to appeal to the middle and nobody knows what you stand for anymore. Why vote for a Republican who’s going to act like a Democrat when you can just vote for a Democrat?