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The people got what they wanted

Wow.

These numbers from CNN are surprising. To some of you, they will be downright revolting. (And let me guess: You’re gonna claim the pollsters just made the numbers up to suit their liberal bias — you remember, just as you did before the election, when you claimed the American people would never elect a black Marxist Muslim? How’s that working out for you?)

“In the CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey released Tuesday, 59 percent of those questioned said Democratic control of both the executive and legislative branches will be good for the country, compared with 38 percent saying such one-party control will be bad.

“That much good will from the public opens a window of opportunity for the Democrats,” said CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. “But the public expects results, and may not listen to excuses for very long if a Democratic Congress and a Democratic White House can’t get their act together in time.”

The poll also indicates that the public has a positive view of the Democratic Party, with 62 percent saying they have a favorable opinion and 31 percent an unfavorable opinion of the party. For the Republicans, a majority, 54 percent, said they have an unfavorable view of the GOP while 38 percent hold a positive view.”

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By Joey

November 12, 2008 7:12 AM | Link to this

Two things:

  • Finding that one or two polls are correct occasionally, does not make it untrue that polls are tools of the influence peddling trade.

  • Fifty-two percent of the people who voted are getting what they asked for. It is yet to be determined if they are getting what they want. Or more importantly what they need.

  • By Mrs. Godzilla

    November 12, 2008 7:17 AM | Link to this

    The American people, I think, are willing to give us 2 years.

    Obama will hit the ground running. Reviewing executive orders is a great place to start. Closing gitmo. Reigning in the bailout.

    This man is prepared. He is surrounded by the best and the brightest. This administration will easily be able to multitask.

    Don’t worry dudes. Barack has got this.

    By BDAtlanta

    November 12, 2008 7:36 AM | Link to this

    The last 8 years will soon be a forgotten bathroom break for this country.

    How many months in 2001 did W spend on vacation clearing the terrorist brush in Crawford? 3-4 months? I guess he could do that since he inherited a fairly sound economy and a budget surplus from Clinton.

    Eight years later the voters call in the democrats to clean up after the Republican party and ensuing hangover.

    By DB, Gwinnettian

    November 12, 2008 7:41 AM | Link to this

    This polling information really shouldn’t surprise anyone.

    Well, I guess I’m surprised that someone bothered to a) ask these questions in the first place, and b) report on the findings.

    It’s much easier for highly-paid corporate media spokesmodels to go on regurgitating the lie that America is a center-right nation, and that we are so ideologically muddled that we would prefer a divided government to one that might actually accomplish something in our interest.

    By BDAtlanta

    November 12, 2008 7:57 AM | Link to this

    err, I meant 3-4 weeks @7:36AM. Not months.

    By TW

    November 12, 2008 8:00 AM | Link to this

    Pulitzer stuff this AM, Mr. Bookman.

    As the right has chosen ego over humility as its response to horrific defeat, you have set the stage for some great comedy today.

    Well done.

    By AmVet

    November 12, 2008 8:01 AM | Link to this

    See what writing one letter asking him to resign can do?! (LOL!) Democracy in action!

    Though, his probably short-lived political career is now forever associated with Georgia’s typically close-minded, reactionary political bigotry.

    No wonder the GOP is imploding everywhere but the Deep South…

    WASHINGTON — Georgia Congressman Paul Broun Tuesday backed away from comparing the policies of President-elect Obama to those of Hitler or a Marxist dictator.

    After stirring a controversy that was grabbing national attention, the Republican lawmaker from Athens apologized for making such references.

    I regret putting it that way,” Broun told WGAC radio in Augusta. “I apologize to anyone who has taken offense at that.”

    Broun acknowledged that he called Obama a Marxist at a Rotary Club meeting in Augusta last week. In an Associated Press interview Monday night, he went further, charging that an Obama campaign proposal for a civilian national security reserve corps would be like the security forces of Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union.

    The neo-cons just keep signing their own death warrants.

    Saxby next…

    By Charles

    November 12, 2008 8:03 AM | Link to this

    Like the old saying goes “history repeats itself”. This is just like 1975 when the uneducated minions threw a fit and let Jimmy Carter into the Office. The Republican Party will have a monumental task of finding another Ronald Reagan to save the country from the damage the Democrats will do.

    By G

    November 12, 2008 8:04 AM | Link to this

    Over the course of the past year I have lost relationships with friends and close acquaintances because I disagreed with their hate towards Barack Obama.

    I feel that for over 200 years the Conservatives (racist people), lets keep it real, that is what comes to my mind when I hear people speak of being a Conservative, continue to keep people oppressed and suppressed.

    I have found that many Christian people and churches are equally a part of this hate that is spreading around the world.

    Yes, the country and the world is ready for President-elect Obama and Vice President-elect Biden and a Democratic Congress to lead and take us to a completely different and positive level.

    By Ray

    November 12, 2008 8:09 AM | Link to this

    DB,

    Accomplish something in whose interest? The idea of the Legislative and Executive branches of government belonging to the same interest group and being good for the country is idiocy. They were set up by our founding fathers to be a check and balance, with the Judiciary, to provide the electorate with some guarantee of sanity to this thing we call representative government. Keep in mind that 47% of the electorate did not vote for the Annointed One and that he does not have a mandate with the Congress to shove his liberal policies down the throats of all Americans. These polls that suggest that all of us are climbing on the give away bandwagon with Pelosi and Reid are a fairy tale. That sort of rhetoric might appeal to the entitlement crowd but certainly not to those who think that this clown ought to still be back in Chicago.

    By Soixante huitard

    November 12, 2008 8:15 AM | Link to this

    I mean, I don’t want to beat a dead horse here but why is it do you think that only 1 in 10 whites in Alabama voted for Obama?

    More nuggets from the NY Times yesterday

    “I think any time you have someone elected president of the United States with a Muslim name, whether they are white or black, there are some very unsettling things,” George W. Newman, a director at a local bank and the former ownerof a trucking business, said over lunch at Yellow Creek Fish and Steak.

    Don’t you just hate it the way those uppity NY city slickers portray these people as a bunch of rubes. I mean just listen to it!

    Customers of Bill Pennington, a barber whose downtown shop is decorated with hunting and fishing trophies, were “scared because they heard he had a Muslim background,” Mr. Pennington said over the country music on the radio. “Over and over again I heard that.”

    Mr. Obama remains an unknown quantity in this corner of the South, and there are deep worries about the changes he will bring.

    “I am concerned,” Gail McDaniel, who owns a cosmetics business, said in the parking lot of the Shop and Save. “The abortion thing bothers me. Same-sex marriage.”

    “I think there are going to be outbreaks from blacks,” she added. “From where I’m from, this is going to give them the right to be more aggressive.”

    By Virgil

    November 12, 2008 8:30 AM | Link to this

    Obama does not have people like Cheney, Rumsfeld and Gramm “leading” us over the cliff. That’s a good enough start. Meanwhile, the Republican party continues to wither and with the likes of Gingrich, Broun and others ready to lead the charge, they’ll re-enact themselves into nothing more than a dying memory of some tattered grey battle plan, and I ain’t just whistling Dixie…and the people were singin’….

    By Morningstar

    November 12, 2008 8:31 AM | Link to this

    By AmVet November 12, 2008 8:01 AM After stirring a controversy that was grabbing national attention, the Republican lawmaker from Athens apologized for making such references.

    As if anyone with an IQ above double-digit would believe Broun ‘regrets putting it that way.’ No he doesn’t. This was more balony to upset the non-thinking and gullible. Scare tactics anyone?

    By DB, Gwinnettian

    November 12, 2008 8:33 AM | Link to this

    Ray asked me: “Accomplish something in whose interest?”

    I think I made that plain when I said “their own.” Meaning the voters. Is that strange? Put another way: Do you deliberately vote against your own interest?

    Obama voters made it clear that they want to have a government that works, run by people who believe that government is a good thing, and not something bad.

    Is this difficult to grasp? If so read on.

    I don’t think that it was realistic for Republicans to imagine that the could run a big government, and then run against “big government”, indefinitely. MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow put it best; she likened putting anti-government conservatives in charge of government, to putting vegans in charge of butchers.

    (No offense intended to the vegans out there.)

    As for the those who didn’t vote for Obama, the poll suggests that a significant portion of those people are willing to give him a chance to do good work for this country.

    Perhaps you might consider joining them. I doubt you will, given the rather shrill tone of your rhetoric (“Annointed One”, “shove his liberal policies down the throats” and suchlike), but I figure it can’t hurt me to ask.

    By Soixante huitard

    November 12, 2008 8:37 AM | Link to this

    By the way, I think Management muttered something last night in one of his paste-blasts about the know-it-all Northerners moving down South at such large rates, where apparently things aren’t so bad.

    Course he forgets to mention that when they come down to places like the research triangle they don’t seem to suddenly turn into Jesse Helms-like pols who are ready to carry the banner of rubedom.

    Although, an interesting exception to the rule seems to have been the sprawling northern suburbs of Atlanta, where until just recently it seemed that the presence of hordes of newcomers from elsewhere wasn’t really diluting the basic voting trends of the natives too much. But of course voting results from last week are now showing that even here this is changing.

    And also I think Management also forgets to point out that the large northern metropolises like New York, Boston and Chicago remain very popular destinations for highly-educated young people, even if there is considerable off-flow to down here.

    By gttim

    November 12, 2008 8:39 AM | Link to this

    With the GOP and large conservative corporations controlling the media for decades, they have demonized the word liberal and it filtered into the country’s consciousness. Finally enough truth is breaking through the and the people are realizing what frauds, hypocrites and thieves the GOP has really been. They have looted the taxpayers money and handed it over to large corporations and the military industrial complex. The GOP contolled all branches of government during the first 6 of W’s years in office, and I do not remember hearing the press get all up in arms about one party controlling all branches of the government then as they robbed the taxpayers, and their kids future earning. Suddenly even with talk radio and pundits screaming about how bad liberals are, most people realize that liberal beliefs actually are very much in alignment with common held beliefs- clean air and water, protecting the Constitution and people’s rights, separation of church and state, a safety net net for hard times, universal health insurance, and letting people be free to live their lives. Democrats have also been the ones who try to pay down the national debt while they are in office, making them the fiscal conservatives. So I am not surprised the American people do not have a problem with the Democratic Party controlling all branches of the government. They really do want the adults back in charge this time.

    BTW- The supreme court and federal courts actually are filled with judges appointed by the GOP. The vast majority of judges were appointed by the GOP. Whenever Democrats try to appoint judges, the GOP gums up the works and prevents it. Then they whine like little babies if the Democrats even try to stop a few horrible, impartial judges from taking the bench. Actually cry like little bitty babies.

    And yes, don’t worry. Barack has got this.

    By Soixante huitard

    November 12, 2008 8:45 AM | Link to this

    Now now, Ray, you really ought not to go get all bent out of shape now buddy. (Keep in mind that 47% of the electorate did not vote for the Annointed One and that he does not have a mandate with the Congress to shove his liberal policies down the throats of all Americans.)

    Nobody’s going to shove anything down anybody’s throat.

    No. They’re just gonna wave a wand, snap their finger and presto, your children will wake up and see things through totally different eyes. That’s all. Nothing more or less radical than that.

    By Wanda

    November 12, 2008 8:45 AM | Link to this

    National Security Force equals Gestapo-plain and simple. No guns and you will be at their mercy. Wake up you stupid, lazy people who supported Obama!

    By AmVet

    November 12, 2008 8:54 AM | Link to this

    I can’t say if this “center-right” nut’s penitence is genuine or not.

    And I don’t really care.

    But more very bad exposure for the neo-cons in the Moron Belt is always a good thing.

    Ray, where have you been?

    The give-away Bush/McCain/Chambliss/Obama socialist bandwagon left the station LONG ago. It just comes back now and then so we can toss in another $700 billion or more…

    By Soixante huitard

    November 12, 2008 8:54 AM | Link to this

    Now now Wanda, let’s not feed paranoid theories here. Didn’t you see how the fine Southern gentleman from Athens got smacked down for feeding the paranoia of the rubes and the unhinged?

    Cuz when you say things like “no guns” = “being at the mercy” of some state authority or other, that just causes liberal elites like me to tune you out and dismiss it as the braying of provincials who’ve sat for too long watching Mel Gibson movies about taking up arms against evil statists or something.

    By Mike

    November 12, 2008 8:55 AM | Link to this

    “You’re gonna claim the pollsters just made the numbers up to suit their liberal bias — you remember, just as you did before the election, when you claimed the American people would never elect a black Marxist Muslim? How’s that working out for you?”

    Bookman gets paid to peck out this tripe? What does Bookman provide that “GodHatesTrash” or Midori does not?

    We get it. You hate people who don’t share your narrow views and can only see them in terms of crude stereotypes. Good for you. You are true intellectuals and your intolerance of other views proves it.

    No wonder the AJC’s circulation is plummeting far faster than any other metro newspaper in the country. Look at the quality of their product.

    By Bosch

    November 12, 2008 8:55 AM | Link to this

    Wanda,

    Really, this is yesterday’s news. By the way, who the HELL said anything about a National Security Force? It wasn’t Obama.

    It was Broun. Take it up with that idiot.

    Mrs. G. has said it best today - yeah, Barack has got this under control.

    By DB, Gwinnettian

    November 12, 2008 8:56 AM | Link to this

    Soix says “an interesting exception to the rule seems to have been the sprawling northern suburbs of Atlanta, where until just recently it seemed that the presence of hordes of newcomers from elsewhere wasn’t really diluting the basic voting trends of the natives too much.”

    It is, indeed, rather interesting. Best I can tell, the slowness comes from a combination of expected conditions:

    1) newcomers just aren’t as motivated to register and vote due to an unfamiliarity with local issues;

    2) a decent chunk of the newcomers aren’t US citizens and can’t vote;

    3) the reason some (certainly not all) of the newcomers moved to the northern burbs is because they weren’t especially happy being Republican/conservative voters in a predominantly Democratic/liberal Northeast. Of course Southern Republicans aren’t the same as Northeastern Republicans and I suspect there’s been a lot of nose-holding on the part of these transplants the past ten years.

    But there has been a pretty dramatic change in Gwinnett. The gap between Kerry and Bush was over 60,000; between Obama and McCain, just 20,000. I wouldn’t be surprised to see the gap close altogether by 2012.

    By Ray

    November 12, 2008 8:56 AM | Link to this

    DB,

    We who did not want this clown have no choice but to “give him and chance”. Quoting MSNBC commentator Rachel Maddow as representing the American electorate as to what is “good for America” is not what 47% of Americans wanted for their country. She does not speak for them or for me. That’s nearly half, DB, far from the mandate that you suggest.
    Do you not think that conservatives want a government that works? The present Democratic led Congress is held in pretty high regard by the electorate too, DB. Had a look lately? But the same old faces will show up, get re-elected, make the same mistakes that they have always made and we are made to believe that that is change. If this guy could perform a miracle and get us off fossil fuels, change the tax code to reflect fairness in our revenue base, give us a program to promote stem cell research for the good of all of those out there that need some answers and promote some kind of health care system that does not rape the quality of medical services offered to the public, I will personally kiss his round behind in downtown Atlanta at high noon. Don’t get your expectations too high, however…. he is just another Chicago precinct politician with a gift for gab. Wouldn’t want you to be too disappointed.

    By Bosch

    November 12, 2008 9:01 AM | Link to this

    WASHINGTON — President-elect Obama has hired former Senate Armed Services Committee chairman Sam Nunn to help shepherd his Pentagon transition, a spokeswoman said Tuesday.

    See, Obama really does have this governing thing down pat. He’s a natural at this.

    Well said Soix @ 8:54. Yesterday was funny watching all those crazy wingnuts spew on about Obama and Hitler. I wanted to say this, but thought it more entertaining to provoke - if they are going on the clip of what he said back in July, he didn’t say anything of the sort.

    By Beau L. Chevick

    November 12, 2008 9:02 AM | Link to this

    I agree that one-party rule is the way to go. It worked really well in Eastern Europe and Asia. The Chinese are the world’s beacon of prosperity. Bring on the Politburo.

    By Swami Dave

    November 12, 2008 9:04 AM | Link to this

    Interesting from the article (for those who actually read it), the biggest majority in the poll were not supporting a “leftward ho!” direction of policy from government:

    “But that doesn’t mean the public wants to see the GOP shut out of government. Seven out of eight want the Democrats to include Republican views in any legislation they pass.”

    The strongest message that I see from these results is the poor job done recently and opportunity for improvement in presenting the principles of “the brand”. The biggest mistakes that have been made were the Republican elected officials who abandoned the principles that got them elected and instead focused on getting along and getting re-elected.

    -Swami Dave

    By Mrs. Godzilla

    November 12, 2008 9:06 AM | Link to this

    Wanda, Wanda, Wanda

    Please make sure that all the dust bunnies and old slippers have been removed from under your bed before sleepy time tonight.

    The O of O is sending a squad of commies to take up residence there.

    Don’t worry about refreshments…..we got it handled.

    By Goldie

    November 12, 2008 9:07 AM | Link to this

    Not only does 70% of America look forward to our New President and his family living in the White House come January, but we’re guaranteed weekly entertainment from the Repug Party!

    I’m looking forward to the weekly “Palin Family Variety Show” — every week we get something hilarious from that family!

    Why, just this week, Sarah claims that she hears the voice of God and she’s planning to just “plow through” any “open door” that God gives her…

    “I’m like, OK, God, if there is an open door for me somewhere, this is what I always pray, I’m like, don’t let me miss the open door … And if there is an open door in ‘12 or four years later, and if it is something that is going to be good for my family, for my state, for my nation, an opportunity for me, then I’ll plow through that door.”

    By DB, Gwinnettian

    November 12, 2008 9:10 AM | Link to this

    Ray, I thought Maddow made a good analogy worth sharing about vegans and republicans; I never claimed she spoke for a majority of Americans. Like all cable TV-newsish folks, she reaches but a tiny sliver of the electorate.

    And sure, I assume that conservative voters want a government that works. But I also think the politicians these voters support have gone to the “government is not the solution, government is the problem” rhetorical well a few times too many, and it’s hurt them.

    As for my expectations of this newly elected Administration, it’s probably more skeptical than you imagine. I’ll certainly call him out if he screws up, and I’d be shocked if he didn’t disappoint and even appall me at times.

    By dem bones

    November 12, 2008 9:19 AM | Link to this

    be careful what you wish for people.

    By Citizen of the World

    November 12, 2008 9:20 AM | Link to this

    The Republican Party keeps saying one thing and doing another, and that’s why they have lost so much of the public’s trust and respect.

    They claim to be fiscally conservative while running up massive debt. They claim to be in favor of smaller government while increasing not just the size of government but its intrusion into our lives. They claim to be the party of upright morals and family values, while they engage in corrupt activities and parade their trophy wives around. They claim to want energy independence while giving tax credits to businesses that buy SUVs. They claim to be compassionate while fighting a living wage and ignoring health care.

    The problem is that so many people are married to the labels of conservative or Republican that they cannot see the disconnect between the rhetoric and the reality.

    No doubt there are liberals and Democrats who would do the same, but I like to think that the open mindedness that, to me, is part and parcel of being a liberal would prevent that.

    By Swami Dave

    November 12, 2008 9:26 AM | Link to this

    Soix:

    “I mean, I don’t want to beat a dead horse here but why is it do you think that only 1 in 10 whites in Alabama voted for Obama?”

    So without beating your dead horse, why is it that you think it happened? While you are at it, go ahead and resolve why only 1 in 10 blacks in the nation voted for McCain?

    The reality, Soix, is that Obama would not have been elected had he not gotten the percentages of the vote from white voters that he did. Even in many of the “red states”, he got a percentage of the vote (more than Gore & Kerry in some).

    Personally, I opposed his policies, voted for his opponent (whom I did not like much more), and will actively seek to defeat them.

    -Swami Dave

    By Finger Lickin

    November 12, 2008 9:27 AM | Link to this

    dem bones, dem bones, dem rib bones…barbecued, that is. Finger lickin’ good. Now, who could wish for anything more.

    By Joey

    November 12, 2008 9:30 AM | Link to this

    TW (8:00): Pulitzer stuff??

    Jay posted a CNN press release.

    On 2nd thought, of late that level of work has been sufficient for Pulitzer nomination.

    By Hillbilly Deluxe

    November 12, 2008 9:38 AM | Link to this

    As I said before the election the only poll that matters was taken Nov. 4. The election is over. Time to move on.

    By Soixante huitard

    November 12, 2008 9:40 AM | Link to this

    I agree, Gwinnettian.

    The kids who move here by the thousands after graduating from places like SUNY Buffalo, Penn State, Ohio State, etc., aren’t necessarily very politically engaged, yet by definition they certainly don’t share the sense of resentful oppostion to meddling by outsiders since they themselves are outsiders. In this sense they resemble the original settlers in the West, who were generally conservative in an individualistic sense, but tended towards libertarian attitudes.

    Of course Southern Republicans aren’t the same as Northeastern Republicans and I suspect there’s been a lot of nose-holding on the part of these transplants the past ten years.

    Boy is that ever the truth.

    But there has been a pretty dramatic change in Gwinnett.

    Isn’t it interesting and fitting that the first real drastic changes we’re seeing in Atlanta are being felt in Gwinnett, the Northeastern quadrant of the metro area? It’s almost as though there is a magic dust that’s wafting down from the NE through VA and NC, and finally to here.

    By ron

    November 12, 2008 9:40 AM | Link to this

    Good morning,I’ll take a CNN poll with a grain of salt.Not that I doubt that there is indeed a majority that now feel euphoric about the change in the political landscape.Goldie already has the figures up to 70%.To Mrs.Godzilla—We better hope he has a handle on it.Somehow I still doubt.

    Soixante huitard—I own guns.Not for protection against anything,but simply to use in a legal manner.I would like to keep them.As a Constitutional scholar,Obama must at least be aware there is a second amendment addressing gun ownership.Whether for a militia or not,it clearly states that the right to keep and bear arms will not be infringed.He says he favors sensible gun laws.We already have them.They need to be enforced,not added to.

    Goldie—-Sarah Palin is Govenor of Alaska and has been a Vice Presidential nominee.How are you doing in your chosen career?As well I would assume by your ability to belittle her.I believe you will find her to be a lot smarter than the media portrayed her.

    By Ray

    November 12, 2008 9:41 AM | Link to this

    Soixante,

    The NYT piece reflects much of what liberal America would like their readers to believe about the South. My daughter lives in Portland, OR, not your greatest bastion of conservative thought. She has lived in the South and knows it for what it is but her friends, all latte drinking tree huggers with their sunglasses on top of their heads do not have a clue as what the true South is all about. Neither do the readers of the NYT. They would have their readers believe that we are one step away from living in trees and still burn crosses in our neighbor’s yards, followed by popping a beer in front of our trailer house and pettin’ the dog. A lot of the NYT circulation would like to believe that we are like the guy from Alabama that shot the two LSU fans while watching SEC football. Yeah, some of us are like that. Is that any worse than those Howard Stern voters from Harlem who didn’t even know who was running for office? We each have our crosses to bear.

    By "The Corporal"

    November 12, 2008 9:42 AM | Link to this

    Just for starters:

    NOT EVERYONE

    BALTIMORE (AP) - The nation’s Roman Catholic bishops vowed Tuesday to forcefully confront the Obama administration over its support for abortion rights, saying the church and religious freedom could be under attack in the new presidential administration.

    In an impassioned discussion on Catholics in public life, several bishops said they would accept no compromise on abortion policy.

    By Ray

    November 12, 2008 10:00 AM | Link to this

    Ron,

    I find it interesting that now that the election if over, Greta can’t wait to interview Gov. Palin. Same for the most vitriolic lib on daytime TV, Matt Lauer who spent two days with her and her family in Alaska. He didn’t even ask her if she could see Russia from her front door. The tone of the questions from both interviewers was light years away from the interviews prior to the election when she was a threat. Why would they spend so much time with someone who they consider such a dumb a** and who they dissed at every opportunity? Networks are still a business, selling air time and ad space to subscribers. The double nature of their role in informing the electorate is painfully obvious. You can bet that when she becomes a threat again, their tone will change and she will once again be painted in an unfavorable light. But she is hot now and sells lots of corn plasters and denture adhesives. And we the reader and the voter come out on the short end every time.

    By Soixante huitard

    November 12, 2008 10:00 AM | Link to this

    So without beating your dead horse, why is it that you think it happened? While you are at it, go ahead and resolve why only 1 in 10 blacks in the nation voted for McCain?

    OK, I will.

    Because there’s a difference between hope and resentment.

    I won’t deny that there is some degree of resentment among some of the African Americans who voted for Obama, including some true embeciles who are misguided enough to think their moment has come to grab their share and settle a score with whitey. But these sentiments are vastly outweighed by a sense of hope that his election has the potential to deal a decisive blow to racial division in the country (not in an absolute sense, but in the sense of something intractable), which is ultimately rooted in inequality of opportunity. But the KEY here is that this is only possibe because Obama represents the first black leader with the potential to lead - as Powell put it well - not as a black leader of America but as an American leader who happens to be black. It’s the happens to be black part that’s the key and it’s what is so threatening and unbearable to the Limbaughs and so forth. The only reason the Limbaughs can get behind a “black” leader or national figure — like Clarence Thomas, e.g. — is if that leader passes a conservative litmus test that consists of giving white America a clean bill of health, which is a sham. Obama has managed to take a different position in that he doesn’t deny the sins that mar that bill of health, but he recognizes what it needed to make it heallthier. And by the way, part of it is that his policies are designed to help working Americans, whether they are white or black.

    By jst

    November 12, 2008 10:04 AM | Link to this

    Soixante, it is probably true that Palin is smarter than projected, but the fact that she is still wasting energy and breath on whining about what her party did wrong in losing the election does absolutely no good for her or the future direction of the GOP. Furthermore, it fails to acknowledge what the majority of voters in this great nation may have done right.

    By Ray

    November 12, 2008 10:10 AM | Link to this

    Soixante,

    And how many black voters would have turned out for J.C Watts, Larry Elder, John McWhorter, Shelby Steele, Juan Williams, Thomas Sowell, and yes, even Bill Cosby? What kind of litmus test would these fine Americans have to have passed to qualify for a black vote? It goes both ways, my friend.

    By Soixante huitard

    November 12, 2008 10:10 AM | Link to this

    In an impassioned discussion on Catholics in public life, several bishops said they would accept no compromise on abortion policy.

    But to “accept no compromise” one must be in a bargaining position with some sort of equivalent power.

    And the Catholic church in America, however influential it may be, simply does not have that power. It can influence, but it does not have veto power to strong-arm policy in the United States or anywhere else.

    By Shawny

    November 12, 2008 10:12 AM | Link to this

    yeah, you are right. It is from a slanted source, so it says what they want it to say.

    Most ‘experts’, not the generally uninformed public, agree that divided govt (between the parties) is far better than a one-sided version. The last time, other than the 2 short years of the first Clinton term, that dems controlled both houses and the white house was during the Carter years, and we all know how that turned out. The writing was on the wall as to what was going to happen with Clinton, and the necessary revolt occurred.

    By gadem

    November 12, 2008 10:21 AM | Link to this

    “The Corporal”, abortion is legal…and it always will be…I don’t understand why you guys constantly chase the shining thing that the Republican Party shows you…don’t you think that they would have changed it by now…6 years of President and Congress…nothing. You think abortion is wrong but you do not support social programs…life begins at the embryo but ends at birth is the Republican mantra….

    By Soixante huitard

    November 12, 2008 10:24 AM | Link to this

    Ray: And how many black voters would have turned out for J.C Watts, Larry Elder, John McWhorter, Shelby Steele, Juan Williams, Thomas Sowell, and yes, even Bill Cosby?

    Not many (see explanation above). Because these people have been chosen based on a litmus test that consists of signing on to the position that white America shall be given a clean bill of health in all matters of racial justice. In other words, a bill of health that says, leave whitey alone, he’s done quite enough thank you very much. That’s it and it’s really as simple as that. They can be a porno-watching, potty-mouthed skirt-chaser (ca. 1991) and it won’t matter a bit. They get the green light from the conservative moralists because they agree to sign on to the litmus test: clean bill of health for whitey.

    It goes both ways, my friend.

    What do you mean by this, that every side has their own litmus test and there’s no difference between them?

    I would strongly disagree.

    By "The Corporal"

    November 12, 2008 10:24 AM | Link to this

    To Soixante huitard

    I didn’t mean they did. I was just taking a shot at the blog headline which should read:

    Half the people got what they wanted

    By Brad

    November 12, 2008 10:27 AM | Link to this

    Those of you who voted for the Democrats deserve what you will get. The rest of us deserve much better! When you have the trio of Obama, Pelosi and Reid, we will find out just how strong this Nation is. I pray that we will survive as a Nation!

    By Mrs. Godzilla

    November 12, 2008 10:32 AM | Link to this

    Corporal

    More than half the people got what they wanted.

    AND

    About 1/2 of the other 1/2 give Obama a favorable rating.

    It’s all good.

    By jst

    November 12, 2008 10:33 AM | Link to this

    Brad, such fearmongering, old sport. When has this nation NOT survived? Take a walk down memory lane, and you’ll see we’ve made it through despite some pretty rough tests and despite the idiocies of many leaders of BOTH parties. Why should this administration be any different? I’ll be the first to admit that sometimes there is nothing dumber than the general public, but you sell us all short if you think any one person, any trio, of any political affiliation is going to ruin us.

    By CommunistAJC

    November 12, 2008 10:35 AM | Link to this

    Goldie, I’d like to know your IQ score, your SAT scores and a complete list of your college transcript. I mean, since you are so smart and Palin is so dumb. Also, where did you attend college? I’d say its a safe bet that you didn’t do so hot in school.

    By Brad

    November 12, 2008 10:39 AM | Link to this

    Some uninformed Democrat made mention of Clinton leaving a balanced bufget and a surplus. That was done by a Republican Congress, thanks to Newt Gingrich. Much of this was don over Clintons objections. How soon we forget! Some also want to forget what a debacle Carters adminstration was.

    By "The Corporal"

    November 12, 2008 10:41 AM | Link to this

    To Mrs. G

    And an untold number of people didn’t show up to vote.

    Same time next year ?

    By adamatomic41

    November 12, 2008 10:42 AM | Link to this

    Amazing, Jay: You’re a jerk even when you’re winning.

    By RW-(the original)

    November 12, 2008 10:43 AM | Link to this

    just as you did before the election, when you claimed the American people would never elect a black Marxist Muslim? How’s that working out for you?

    So now Jay B tells is calling Obama black Marxist Muslim. Strange. Who will write the outraged blog calling him Jay Bookman (Writer-Crazy) /s

    I think that any news organization that does their own polling should have to release the breakdown of their sample and any journalist worth their salt should demand that breakdown before passing along the numbers. This poll is likely to be bad news for Democrats though because it will tend to give those that believe the numbers reason to think they can move full speed ahead in turning us into a cradle to grave nanny state. Backlash to follow.

    By "The Corporal"

    November 12, 2008 10:44 AM | Link to this

    P.S. to Mrs. G.

    I hate to keep using this but as my dad always said, repitition is like glue … it sticks.

    “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship.”

    By Comrade

    November 12, 2008 10:45 AM | Link to this

    Here comes Commie again, trying to start up something that he can’t possibly finish regarding education and such. BY the way, Commie, you do recall that the majority of voters in North Carolina voted for Obama. Did you learn nothing in all those MBA classes at Duke. Further, how do you justify your communist leanings with your capitalist learnings. I think you better post that transcript just so we can make sure that your really took accredited courses in capitalism — and passed.

    By Morris Hames

    November 12, 2008 10:46 AM | Link to this

    The Germans loved Hitler and there is still a sizable number of folks who think Lenin, Stalin, and Mao did great things.

    By Bruce becker

    November 12, 2008 10:46 AM | Link to this

    vote for Martin on Dec 2nd and make it possible to get the work done we all know must be done to put Americans back to work. Bush is threatening to veto Pelosi’s attempt to save the US car industry. He doesnt want our tax dollars going to worker bees, just to bankers. Let’s put 60 Senators to work passing legislation that the President has talked about for the last year. New bridges, replacing the rust. New train systems taking pressure off crowded highways, and new technology for GM and FORD so we can compete in the world markets and save the planet from green house gases. Its all possible. Just defeat Chambliss, or else we will be treated to listening to Saxby reading from the Savannah newspaper on the floor of the Senate as he filibusters and holds up progress while the economy falls apart. That’s Saxby’s big reason for voting for him. Dont let the Dems get anythind done for the next two years. We voted for Obama to make changes. GET OUT AND VOTE AND HELP OBAMA DO HIS JOB. HE NEEDS YOUR HELP. ITS A TEAM EFFORT. ONE MORE TIME IN LINE. You can do it. Thank you. VOTE MARTIN.

    By Soixante huitard

    November 12, 2008 10:46 AM | Link to this

    I see what you mean, Corporal. My bad.

    Ah yes, I see that with this topic we’ve arrived at the inevitable semantic debate over what the people really means. When the people speak (did you know by the way that in German for example there is an etymological connection between the word ‘voice’ and ‘vote’ ? - and I’m no Latin scholar but I would guess that the Latin ‘votum’ derives from voice) there is one voice, even if (as is always the case) not all of the little voices that make up that collective voice agreed.

    By TN Gelding

    November 12, 2008 10:49 AM | Link to this

    Who would have thunk it?

    The folks that were scared to death of JFK are now quoting Catholic bishops to undermine Obama.

    We know that dictators are quick to choose aggression, while free nations strive to resolve differences in peace.

    ~George W. Bush

    By Soixante huitard

    November 12, 2008 10:52 AM | Link to this

    The Germans loved Hitler and there is still a sizable number of folks who think Lenin, Stalin, and Mao did great things.

    I’m not wild about Mao or Stalin, but actually I think Lenin should be a model for progressive thinkers everywhere.

    By dw

    November 12, 2008 10:59 AM | Link to this

    To Goldie,

    Your math is not quite there. Only 52% look forward to Obama in the W.H. Not 70% as you state. The other 48% are in a wait and see position.

    By For States rights

    November 12, 2008 11:00 AM | Link to this

    Hey Jay….if you are so correct all the time…why do you work for a second rate newspaper that cannot maintain even its second rate position….what with the layoffs and all. If I were you I would be looking over your shoulder for the pink slip….but oh thats right (or left in your case) Obama will insure you get what belongs to someone else.

    By TN Gelding

    November 12, 2008 11:01 AM | Link to this

    Brad

    November 12, 2008 10:27 AM

    Where was Geore W. Bush on 09/11?

    …the role of the military is to fight and win war and, therefore, prevent war from happening in the first place.

    ~George W. Bush

    By Soixante huitard

    November 12, 2008 11:02 AM | Link to this

    Corporal’s dad:

    I hate to keep using this but as my dad always said, repitition is like glue … it sticks.

    “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It …. always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship.”

    And since you’re channeling the ancient Greeks via Plato’s Republic, here’s a tidbit:

    Say what you will,” the question of repetition “will play a very important role in modern philosophy, for repetition is a crucial expression for what “recollection” was to the Greeks. Just as they thought that all knowing is a recollecting, modern philosophy will teach that all life is a repetition. - Sören Kierkegaard

    By RW-(the original)

    November 12, 2008 11:06 AM | Link to this

    For States rights,

    Don’t be worrying about the “news”paper business. They’ll be lining up at the public trough for bailout bucks any day now.

    By RealityKing

    November 12, 2008 11:07 AM | Link to this

    Hey Jay, the CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey proved itself bias by predicting the election wrong by 7 points. But thats OK.., we understand your bias willingness to use it anyways too.

    By Swami Dave

    November 12, 2008 11:21 AM | Link to this

    Soix:

    By highlighting what your perceive as the “conservative litmus test” for the potential candidates that you discount, you, in effect, highlight an opposing litmus test of your own creation. If you oppose the principles that they espouse, so be it. However, declaring that they only get support by passing a “litmus test” as your method to discount them while denying that it defines an opposing litmus test of your own is simply intellectually dishonest.

    I support many of the same principles that the named individuals espouse. Another that I would add to the list is Michael Steele (currently with GOPAC), who I suspect has a better than odds chance to become the new chairman of the RNC. He, nor any of the others named, are required to absolve me of anything in return for my support. I have no responsiblity for the actions of others that I never met for which they would need to forgive me.

    By the way, do not get too excited highlighting the win based on “policies for working people, white or black”. Obama’s campaign was, at the foundation, based on a platform of stealing money from 5% of Americans to provide tax cuts for the other 95% (almost half of which already pay no income taxes today).

    That he won by such a slim margin while running such a blatant “wolves-&-sheep-voting-on-dinner” argument is a cause for optimism in the sense of honor and fairness ingrained within the American electorate.

    -Swami Dave

    By GreenJeans

    November 12, 2008 11:24 AM | Link to this

    Morning all, fun topic.

    Corporal, I wonder if Catholic bishops, and the Catholic church, truly understand how irrelevant they are to the rest of us.

    At this point in time, in no way do I look at a bunch of men in brocade gowns with smoking purses, guarding a closet full of abused boys, and give one flip about what they think, say or vow.

    But the thought of a bunch of American evangelical extremists sucking up to the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH in order to fight some imagined attack on religious freedom is so rich it could be served on ice cream.

    What else…oh yes. The 47% who fear single-party rule, and having unwelcome policy shoved down their throat.

    Uh, where were you five, six, seven years ago? Still passionate, still fearful, still fighting such a concentration of political power? Doubtful. I would bet next year’s salary that your objection isn’t having something shoved down your throat, no, not at all.

    When the nectar was flowing forth from the political loins of President George W. Bush and the Neocons, you lapped lovingly. So much so that you didn’t have breath enough to denounce their cries that anyone who didn’t drink was unpatriotic and un-American.

    Having been called unpatriotic and un-American during that time, I hope President-Elect Obama has learned how NOT to marginalize today’s 47%. There is the difference we should demand from him, but neither should he be deterred from his mission.

    It is clear from much of the writings here that many of the 47% have some gray at the temple; how can it be that you don’t understand how the pendulum swings in American politics? The dreams of a permanant Republican majority have been dashed for the time.

    Yin and Yang, you see…you’re just gonna have to suck on the Yang for at least a couple of years.

    If the minority party can develop a compelling enough agenda, feel free to grab the mic. We in the middle are listening.

    By TN Gelding

    November 12, 2008 11:30 AM | Link to this

    The AJC will thrive and grow.

    It will just not be printing a paper. Something it should have already discontinued. The cost of distribution alone is prohibitive.

    I just want you to know that, when we talk about war, we’re really talking about peace.

    ~George W. Bush

    By AmVet

    November 12, 2008 11:31 AM | Link to this

    For States rights, and yet you participate in this second rate newspapers on-line efforts.

    Is it time to “cancel your subscription”? (Inside joke)

    Obama will insure you get what belongs to someone else.

    Are you insinuating Mr. Bookman works for AIG? Or Goldman Sachs?

    Perhaps you “conservatives” and “center-right” boys were busy reading The Pet Goat while you not only let your socialist income redistribution Republicans named Bush, McCain and Chambliss, among many others, including numerous Democrats, screw all of us out of OUR money, but cheered them on the entire time.

    Welcome to the corporate destruction of capitalism that you have been seeking…

    By TN Gelding

    November 12, 2008 11:43 AM | Link to this

    LET’S WAIT AN SEE WHAT OBAMA TRIES TO DO.

    From the way his campaign was run, I’m confident he will put together a competent cabinet.

    If this were a dictatorship, it’d be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I’m the dictator.

    ~George W. Bush

    By "The Corporal"

    November 12, 2008 11:46 AM | Link to this

    To Green Jeans

    Then don’t be a Catholic (I’m Baptist) but if you are one you should ahere to their doctrine or find another denomination.

    The enemy of my enemy is my friend !

    To Soixante huitard

    Good quotes !!

    By tcoach

    November 12, 2008 11:47 AM | Link to this

    AMvet Didn’t Nancy Pelosi chastise the republicans who did not vote for the bailout the 1st time? Or was I hallucinating?

    Don’t just blame some who fit your agenda blame all and be fair.

    By "The Corporal"

    November 12, 2008 11:51 AM | Link to this

    “We will kill bin Laden. We will crush al Qaeda. That has to be our biggest national security priority,” Obama said during the presidential debate on October 7.

    What? No trial? I thought he taught Constiutional law?

    By TN Gelding

    November 12, 2008 11:51 AM | Link to this

    I knew it!

    I think war is a dangerous place.

    ~George W. Bush

    By Abomi Nation

    November 12, 2008 11:56 AM | Link to this

    Republicans offered Democrats some excellent advise a few years back. Conservative bloggers across the country repeated that great advise constantly.

    That advise to Democrats? “If you want a say in the government try winning some elections.”

    Republicans, your advise was solid, thank you very much. Now let me give you some advise…….

    If you want some a say in the government try winning some elections!

    By "The Corporal"

    November 12, 2008 12:01 PM | Link to this

    Anyone out there know what has happened to Barry’s auntie ?

    By AmVet

    November 12, 2008 12:04 PM | Link to this

    tcoach, didn’t the phrase including numerous Democrats not directly answer your very odd question?

    I have stated repeatedly that the “bailout” was a backroom deal primarily between King George and the spendaholic Democrats in Congress. That so many spineless Republicans also ultimately jumped on board the income redistribution bandwagon, was their decision.

    It is obvious that BOTH parties, especially the “leadership” conspired with their paymasters to put the burden on you and me.

    But never forget, who originally and consistently pushed the idea in Washington - Paulson, Bernanke and George W. Bush.

    BTW, how many of these crooks and swindlers do you think will ever answer for this?

    Justice. Just another empty word in our burgeoning plutocracy…

    By Morningstar

    November 12, 2008 12:08 PM | Link to this

    By gadem November 12, 2008 10:21 AM “The Corporal”, abortion is legal…and it always will be

    You betcha, it will always be legal. The R’s could have changed ANYTHING during that 6 years they ruled all. But mention that FACT and get a rediculous answer such as: ” we believe the states should decide.” Bah humbug. R’s think no such thing.

    The abortion issue is best tool the R’s have, and unfortunately some are too misguided to have a clue. So much for being informed.

    Someone’s right about repetition. Repeat it long enough and someone’s bound to be deceived. Remember Pavlov’s dogs?

    By CommunistAJC November 12, 2008 10:35 A Also, where did you attend college? I’d say its a safe bet that you didn’t do so hot in school

    I’m not Goldie, but from my observations it’s not so much where you attend school, but how one applies themselves. Too much is made of the school one attended. Without affirmative action, I dare say George W. would have never set foot in the hallowed halls of IVY.

    Palin’s not dumb; just uninformed and not V.P. material.

    By RW-(the original November 12, 2008 11:06 AM For States rights, Don’t be worrying about the “news”paper business. They’ll be lining up at the public trough for bailout bucks any day now

    Possibly not. Might be a charge for ‘point and click’ though????? Another little grimlin to consider.

    By "The Corporal"

    November 12, 2008 12:20 PM | Link to this

    **To Morningstar”“

    You sound like one of those slave owners in the late 1850’s ! There will always be slavery!

    A life is a life.

    By John Bubba

    November 12, 2008 12:28 PM | Link to this

    Even this election loss has not changed McCain. He still flip flops.

    “I’d never seen anything like that ad. Putting pictures of Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden next to the picture of a man who left three limbs on the battlefield — it’s worse than disgraceful. It’s reprehensible,” - Senator John McCain, on Saxby Chambliss’s 2002 campaign for the Senate.

    McCain will be campaigning for Chambliss’s re-election run-off. And McCain is an honorable man.

    By Steve

    November 12, 2008 12:37 PM | Link to this

    62% of Americans have a favorable view of the democratic party? Huh? Last time I checked the democratically controlled congress had an approval rating of 10%. Barry Obama got 53% of the vote… where is this 62% coming from? You got one thing right Jay, this poll was inflated by a bunch of liberals to suit their interests.

    By Ed

    November 12, 2008 12:56 PM | Link to this

    People got what they wanted? Didn’t we, can’t we….say the same thing about the Clayton County School Board? And just how did that work out? lol

    By ron

    November 12, 2008 1:07 PM | Link to this

    Corporal—-Auntie has moved in with family.I feel sorry for her.She didn’t need this.

    By Misleading

    November 12, 2008 1:17 PM | Link to this

    Survey numbers provided without survey design and other survey data are pretty much worthless and misleading.

    For example, survey data results shown by age, gender, income, level of education, ethnicity/race, and other demographic factors of those surveyed would be much more meaningful. Otherwise, it’s just numbers anyone can provide and interpret to fit their agenda!!!!

    By atlsitcom

    November 12, 2008 1:33 PM | Link to this

    Im just waiting for my hand - outs come January 22… thats the only reason why I voted for him, for the Hand outs!! Obama-Mart, Obama-Gas, Obama-Food, Im just wondering if hes going to have a web site to sign up for these give aways and hand outs…

    By Goldie

    November 12, 2008 1:51 PM | Link to this

    Pay attention, Right-Wingnuts! Our New President has an approval rating of 70% this week:

    According to Gallup Poll Daily tracking from Nov. 6-8, only 27% of Americans approve of the job Bush is doing as president. This contrasts with the 70% of Americans holding a favorable view of Obama.

    Like I posted before, 70% of America is looking forward to our New President and his family moving into the White House in January!

    By Goldie

    November 12, 2008 1:56 PM | Link to this

    Morris @ 10:46 — I agree. And I guess that’s why 46% of American voters still voted to put the Repugs back in the White House? Just more of the same garbage to wallow in, I suppose???

    By RobT

    November 12, 2008 2:06 PM | Link to this

    52% voted for Obama and 48% didn’t with a turnout of 60% of the eligible voting population. Not exactly a mandate. bush did that well in 2004 and I’m 99.99% sure all the Obama supporters out there didn’t consider that a mandate. Instead of asking the question do you think one party rule of goverment is good why not ask about some of Obamas specific policy proposals, what few there are, like raising taxes on small businesses or outlawing all restrictions on abortions through the Freedom of Choice act or eliminating secret ballot voting for unionization through the union card check law or elimination of the only voice in oposition to the left wing biased MSM through the Fairness Doctrine? I suspect the support wouldn’t be quite so high. I have a feeling that the 59% of the people polled, whoever they are, that said one party in power is good is living in Obama fantasy land where the Democrats are going to magically snap their fingers and the economy will be healed a few weeks after Obama is elected and we’ll all be living in the land of milk and honey where, like the one Obama supporter said, we won’t have to worry about paying for our mortagages or for gas. Once the golden fog clears out and the reality sets in that the government is very limited in what they can do to solve these very complex problems the polls will come crashing down.

    By Peaches&Cream

    November 12, 2008 2:10 PM | Link to this

    I think that the real problem is that so many of you are not ready for change except the fact there come a time in life when a change is needed. I truly believe the fact that our President Elect skin had been caucasian alot of you would have voted for him but due to the fact that his skin is a darker shade you’ll think the economy is down the drain. Youhave to be ready for it all. I personally thank Jesus for the change it will just prove you don’t have to be a certain color to be President of the United States. I bet that Abraham Lincoln, John F, Kennedy, Martin L. King Jr. are all smiling from above. Except the fact and give the man a chance.

    By RobT

    November 12, 2008 2:14 PM | Link to this

    52% voted for Obama and 48% didn’t with a turnout of 60% of the eligible voting population. Not exactly a mandate. bush did that well in 2004 and I’m 99.99% sure all the Obama supporters out there didn’t consider that a mandate. Instead of asking the question do you think one party rule of goverment is good why not ask about some of Obamas specific policy proposals, what few there are, like raising taxes on small businesses or outlawing all restrictions on abortions through the Freedom of Choice act or eliminating secret ballot voting for unionization through the union card check law or elimination of only voice in oposition to the left wing biased MSM through the Fairness Doctrine? I suspect the support wouldn’t be quite so high. I have a feeling that the 59% of the people polled, whoever they are, that said one party in power is good is living in Obama fantasy land where the Democrats are going to magically snap their fingers and the economy will be healed a few weeks after Obama is elected and we’ll all be living in the land of milk and honey where like the one Obama supporter said we won’t have to worry about paying for our mortagages or for gas. Once the golden fog clears out and the reality sets in that the government is very limited in what they can do to solve these very complex problems the polls will come crashing down.

    By RobT

    November 12, 2008 2:17 PM | Link to this

    52% voted for Obama and 48% didn’t with a turnout of 60% of the eligible voting population. Not exactly a mandate. bush did that well in 2004 and I’m 99.99% sure all the Obama supporters out there didn’t consider that a mandate. Instead of asking the question do you think one party rule of goverment is good why not ask about some of Obamas specific policy proposals, what few there are, like raising taxes on small businesses or outlawing all restrictions on abortions through the Freedom of Choice act or eliminating secret ballot voting for unionization through the union card check law or elimination of only voice in oposition to the left wing biased MSM through the Fairness Doctrine? I suspect the support wouldn’t be quite so high. I have a feeling that the 59% of the people polled, whoever they are, that said one party in power is good is living in Obama fantasy land where the Democrats are going to magically snap their fingers and the economy will be healed a few weeks after Obama is elected and we’ll all be living in the land of milk and honey where like the one Obama supporter said we won’t have to worry about paying for our mortagages or for gas. Once the golden fog clears out and the reality sets in that the government is very limited in what they can do to solve these very complex problems the polls will come crashing down.

    By jon

    November 12, 2008 2:28 PM | Link to this

    An approval rating of 70%. I guess that was for promising his kids a dog.

    I approve of Obama so far, but I still wouldn’t vote for him.

    Let’s wait until he actual takes office before you judge how he does.

    By WhataJoke

    November 12, 2008 2:34 PM | Link to this

    Rob T,

    The percentages were 52 Obama and 46 McCain, not 48%.

    Obama is running this country, like it or not.

    I wish the rest of you would act, as graciously, as John McCain. He knows that he lost big time and took it like a man. You guys need to learn how to be gracious LOOSERS.

    By CommunistAJC

    November 12, 2008 2:39 PM | Link to this

    Morningstar, I’m not a huge fan of W but from what I’ve read concerning his grades and college transcripts he had better grades than John F. Kerry and Al Gore. How do you explain Gore? A man who claimed to have invented the internet, failed out of Vanderbilt, dropped out of divinity school at Harvard and says the Love Story is based off of his life? By the way, college does matter.

    Goldie, 70% approval rating? For doing what prey tell? Hell, Sarah Palin has an 80% approval rating as governor. And she has actually been in charge of something other than community organizing.

    Comrade, My communist leanings? Dude, IT’S A JOKE!!! I USE THAT NAME TO MAKE FUN OF THE AJC. Can you say DENSE?

    By chris

    November 12, 2008 2:40 PM | Link to this

    I’m not worried so much about obama at this point as I am the hype that surrounds him.

    I mean if I hear one more “news” story about what kind of dog the obama’s are getting I’m going to vomit all over myself.

    What I’d really like to hear is exactly what this man plans to do to fix our economy. Stronger gun laws, same sex marraiges and issues like that are meaningless in comparison.

    Obama is a likeable guy, with a charming personality. This is great for TV and newspapers but means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things moving forward.

    Even though I did not vote for obama, unlike many I am more than willing to give him a chance. I just hope Obama doesn’t fall victim to the hype that surrounds him. Because regardless of your political affiliation we are all americans and right now we are all in big time trouble. I just honestly don’t believe it is a time to beat your chests and celebrate. There is much work to be done, lots more than is possible by 1 man, no matter how charming he might be.

    By J

    November 12, 2008 2:42 PM | Link to this

    Andrew Young said the stock market would go UP a thousand points with Obama’s election. So far, the DJIA is DOWN 1,200 points from election day. Does this say something about what the market thinks of Obama or does it say something about Andy Young’s financial forecasting?

    By CommunistAJC

    November 12, 2008 2:48 PM | Link to this

    WhataJoke, What is a looser? You mean losers? Because I don’t remember any democrat being a gracious loser after 2000 and 2004. I remember Kerry and Gore crying for their mommies. Yes, the ball is totally in the democrat court as of last week. Good luck, because us conservatives will be waiting for Obama Hussien to screw up. And yes, he will screw up.

    By CommunistAJC

    November 12, 2008 2:59 PM | Link to this

    Communist Party ecstatic over ‘08 election results

    Voice of Marxism announces ‘hard work is just beginning’

    Hailing Barack Obama’s win as a victory for the “working class,” the Communist Party USA is calling on the president-elect to carry out his promises, including his noted commitment to “spread the wealth.”

    An editorial by the People’s Weekly World said the victory was for “workers of all job titles, professions, shapes, colors, sizes, hairstyles and languages.”

    The newspaper, which boasts of its “partisan coverage,” identifies itself as “a national, grassroots weekly newspaper and the direct descendant of the ‘Daily Worker.’”

    “We are partisan to the working class, racially and nationally oppressed peoples, women, youth, seniors, international solidarity, Marxism and socialism. We enjoy a special relationship with the Communist Party USA, founded in 1919, and publish its news and views,” the publication states.

    The paper said Obama’s victory is “important … not only for people here in the U.S., but also for our sisters and brothers around the world.”

    “The election outcome represents a clear mandate for pro-people change on taxes, health care, the war in Iraq, job creation and economic relief, union organizing and the Employee Free Choice Act. Reform and relief are in the air. Their scope and depth will be the arena of struggle. The best thing the coalition that won this victory can do is to stick together and help the new administration carry through on its promises,” the editorial said.

    “Jubilation and celebration, yes, along with realization that the hard work is just beginning,” the PWW editorial said.

    Obama’s commitment to “spread the wealth” was caught on tape as he talked with an Ohio voter, “Joe the Plumber,” who became a personality in the 2008 election campaign for the exchange in which he suggested Obama’s plan sounded like socialism.

    Obama’s media team did not respond to a WND telephone message and e-mail requesting a comment.

    Michelle Obama has made similar commitments, warning that some Americans may have to give up a piece of the pie in order that others may have a larger share.

    “In his famous autobiography, ‘Dreams From My Father,’ Obama reveals that his earliest mentor in Hawaii was a man by the name of Frank Marshall Davis. It so happens that Davis had been sent to Hawaii in the late 1940s by the Communist Party to organize the party in Hawaii,” Blumenfeld wrote.

    “Davis had begun his communist career in Chicago. He was a friend and associate of Paul Robeson, the great singer, and Harry Bridges, head of the communist dominated International Longshoremen and Warehousemen’s Union. Both men were secret Communist Party USA members.”

    Blumenfeld sees sees the impact of those influences in Obama’s vision for the country.

    “Obama has already proposed the creation of a homeland police force that will no doubt terrorize those in the ‘ultra-right’ who will become the most vociferous and active opponents of his socialist regime. Hitler had a similar police force called the Gestapo – Geheime Staats Polizie or Homeland State Police – that terrorized the opponents of the Nazi regime,” he wrote.

    “In 1933 a majority of Germans voted for a demagogue who promised ‘change’ and seemed to be the answer to their economic and national problems. None of those voters could have foreseen that 12 years later Germany would lie in ruins and be occupied by foreign armies,” he wrote.

    By WhataJoke

    November 12, 2008 3:03 PM | Link to this

    CommunistAJC ,

    YOU are a LOSER!!! thanks for the spell check.

    One thing I’m glad is that this financial and home mortgage mess came about before Nov. 4th, so that you LOSERS couldn’t blame Obama. I’m still waiting for something else to fall through the crack, that you will try to pin on Obama.

    I’m also glad that the economist have already predicted that the issues we face to day, will more than likely have an impact on issues we face until about 2010. However, I am hoping that our DEAR President-elect, will cut it off at the head and not the tail.

    By making

    November 12, 2008 3:04 PM | Link to this

    I’m curious…what happens if the President-elect can’t take the oath of office…does Biden get the call or McCain?

    By TN Gelding

    November 12, 2008 3:05 PM | Link to this

    CommunistAJC

    November 12, 2008 2:48 PM

    Under the circumstances, I thought Gore was a gracious loser.

    I’d still be banging on the door to the Supreme Court.

    Al said he invented the Intenet?

    (Second item.)

    By CommunistAJC

    November 12, 2008 3:11 PM | Link to this

    WhataJoke, I’m a loser? Not hardly troglodyte. Everything will be pinned on Obama and the dems come next year? Why? Because the dems have been in power for two years now. That’s why. Name call all you want but it still won’t hide the facts about your party.

    TN Gelding, Really? Cause Gore still talks about how the election was “stolen” from him. IF it was “stolen” then why did he give up? Why did Bush still have more counted votes in Gore territory? Why did Gore not win his own state? Gore is a moron. Care to explain his college transcripts? He was a D and C student. With quite a few F’s from what I’ve read.

    By jst

    November 12, 2008 3:11 PM | Link to this

    Hey, comrades. Hope you’re having a fine day, comrades. I hear Obama’s chosen Wagner’s “Flying Dutchman” as his theme song and his supporters are practicing their goose-step for the inauguration. I’d tell you to quit grousing and complaining and go out and try to be happy if your fear-mongering wasn’t so gosh-darned entertaining!

    By making

    November 12, 2008 3:13 PM | Link to this

    Found the answer…Biden would take office until the President-elect is able.

    By fearless fosdik

    November 12, 2008 3:16 PM | Link to this

    By CommunistAJC

    November 12, 2008 2:39 PM

    COMMIE .. Do you just make up things as you go along? For your info .. Gore graduated with a Bachelor of Arts degree in government cum laude on June 12, 1969 from Harvard!

    Gore never said he invented the internet.

    For your help here is what was said. http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp

    You are correct in assumption that college does matter .. Al Gore; Oscar winner, Nobel Peace Prize winner!

    By CommunistAJC

    November 12, 2008 3:23 PM | Link to this

    fearless fosdik, Nope. Here you go. By the way, Arafat, a Jew killer, won the Nobel Prize. Oscar winner? Yeah, that movie really killed at the box office.

    Gore’s undergraduate transcript from Harvard is riddled with C’s, including a C-minus in introductory economics, a D in one science course, and a C-plus in another. “In his sophomore year at Harvard,” the Post reported, “Gore’s grades were lower than any semester recorded on Bush’s transcript from Yale.” Moreover, Gore’s graduate school record - consistently glossed over by the press - is nothing short of shameful. In 1971, Gore enrolled in Vanderbilt Divinity School where, according to Bill Turque, author of “Inventing Al Gore,” he received F’s in five of the eight classes he took over the course of three semesters. Not surprisingly, Gore did not receive a degree from the divinity school. Nor did Gore graduate from Vanderbilt Law School, where he enrolled for a brief time and received his fair share of C’s. (Bush went on to earn an MBA from Harvard).

    By TN Gelding

    November 12, 2008 3:25 PM | Link to this

    WhataJoke

    November 12, 2008 3:03 PM

    They’ve been blaming Obama for Bush’s economy for months.

    THEY HAVE NO SHAME. THEY’RE IN THEIR DISTORT AND SABOTAGE MODE NOW.

    Evil men, obsessed with ambition and unburdened by conscience, must be taken very seriously—and we must stop them before their crimes can multiply.

    ~George W. Bush

    By jst

    November 12, 2008 3:28 PM | Link to this

    Communist - Just goes to show a person can be book smart but just plain ol’ stupid.

    By Fed Up

    November 12, 2008 3:28 PM | Link to this

    I shouldn’t be amazed any longer at the responses to Bookman. And I swear, Jay just has to knock his hands against the keyboard to get y’all all riled up.

    Come on now. Do you REALLY think things are going to be so radically different the next four years? I don’t… too many checks and balances in place for rapid change to extremes.

    I didn’t see anyone (except left wingnuts) whining about the creation of the Dept. of Homeland Security… which, by the way, ACTUALLY HAPPENED, unlike any of Obama’s propositions.

    Besides, if we don’t like it, we can change it in four years.

    America Abides. THAT IS ALL.

    By CommunistAJC

    November 12, 2008 3:30 PM | Link to this

    TN Gelding, No, I don’t blame Obama, yet. I blame the democrat controlled congress. They’ve been in control for two years now.

    By jst

    November 12, 2008 3:35 PM | Link to this

    Now see here, Fed Up, those comments of yours are blatantly logical, eschew fear-mongering, and are completely devoid of paranoid obfuscation, and the worst thing of all is that you beat me to the punch.

    By gadem

    November 12, 2008 3:38 PM | Link to this

    Why is it that the people crying about “wealth redistribution” are the ones that have no wealth to redistribute? I saw a poll that Obama garnered 56% of the votes of people that made more than 250k per year…correct me if I am wrong. It just seems odd that middle class or poor people are fighting a battle for people that could really give two s*s about them.

    By h ryder

    November 12, 2008 3:38 PM | Link to this

    Extremely interesting how the media and the majority of the populace disregard 9/11 and the effect that such an event would have on any administration. Especially since the majority of these forgetful folks were bitterly opposed to W-Bush prior to his election. To date, no other such disaster has taken place and this is the most profound responsibility of the chief executive.

    By CommunistAJC

    November 12, 2008 3:38 PM | Link to this

    jst, No, not really.

    By fedupingwinnett

    November 12, 2008 3:41 PM | Link to this

    I did not vote for Obama but I will support him as our President (on 1-20-09). I didn’t vote for him because I typically don’t vote for Democrats. It had nothing to do with the color of his skin. I will support him but doesn’t mean that I’m going to praise him before he even takes office. On the other hand I’m not going to condemn him before he takes office either. I do agree with some of the posts in that I’m more worried about the let down so many Obama supporters will feel when he can’t/won’t do everything they think he’s going to do. This country is a mess and it’s every politician in Washington’s fault, not just Bush, Pelosi, Frank, etc. I personally think that one person cannot fix this and especially the same one(s) that “broke” it.

    I don’t for one second believe the polls of any kind. And like one post said who cares about these polls. It’s over Obama won, let’s move on.

    As far as the nasty comments about Palin….I agree with some I don’t think there’s many of us posting on this blog that are anywhere near as intelligent as she is. Regardless of the college or the degree some people are educated above their own intelligence.

    God Bless America and God Bless President elect Obama.

    By fearless fosdik

    November 12, 2008 3:42 PM | Link to this

    Commie; With all those low grades you state Gore had, how do you suppose he graduated Cum Laude…A conspiracy, I bet!

    Gore never entered the divinity school for the purpose of graduating .. As he has stated it was more an exploration of his spiritual soul after his return from Vietnam!

    Furthermore, Gore left Vanderbilt to run for congress..not too far fetched ya think.

    You are correct Bush did graduate from Harvard with an MBA….After he was turned down by the Univesity of Texas!

    Enough of this…I got better things to do!

    By jst

    November 12, 2008 3:50 PM | Link to this

    Ain’t it great, fearless? Al Gore invented the Internet so one day we’d be able to look up all kinds of information about his education. Is this a great country, or what? (Showing off my Harvard education)

    By CommunistAJC

    November 12, 2008 3:54 PM | Link to this

    fearless fosdik, Gore flunked out comrade. He didn’t “drop out” to pursue congress. Cum Laude? How? He finished in the bottom fifth of his class.

    His grades at Harvard were pathetic, especially for someone who today holds himself up as the national arbiter of scientific issues. As a sophomore he got a D in Natural Sciences, and only a C-plus in another low level Natural Sciences course his senior year. In Economics — yet another field in which Gore has exhibited lifelong ignorance — he earned a C-minus.

    For two of his four years at Harvard, Gore ranked in the bottom fifth of his class academically.

    After squeaking through Harvard, Gore returned to Tennessee and, after flunking out of its Divinity School, entered but failed to earn a degree from Vanderbilt University Law School.

    By the way, I’d have rather attended Harvard than Texas. Oh, his brother Jeb graduated with honors from Texas. But then again, who cares, right?

    By crazy eddie

    November 12, 2008 4:17 PM | Link to this

    CommunistAJC

    What is your fixation with Al Gore and his grades? Who cares?

    Do you have a secret man-crush going on here? Something we all should know?

    Or are you just a bitter old man who hangs out all day blogging, without anything of importance to say?

    I say get a job!

    By CommunistAJC

    November 12, 2008 4:22 PM | Link to this

    crazy eddie, When I read bloggers talk about how stupid the republicans are I provide facts about their own candidates. Get a job? I have a great one. Go sell stupid somewhere else.

    By Ben

    November 12, 2008 4:30 PM | Link to this

    I’d sure like to know how the questions were phrased. I’ve yet to see a write-up on this survey that gives the exact wording, I just see paraphrases. The exact wording was probably, “Are you happy with the result of the elections with both Congress and the President in one party?” And people keyed in on the first part, they are happy with the result. Of course it makes sense that a majority of people would agree, since a majority voted for Obama.

    By TN Gelding

    November 12, 2008 4:36 PM | Link to this

    CommunistAJC

    November 12, 2008 3:23 PM

    (Bush went on to earn an MBA from Harvard).

    FROM HIS PERFORMANCE, I DOUBT THAT HE EARNED IT. Didn’t the elite pay someone to sit in class for them in those days?

    Our enemies are innovative and resourceful…They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.

    ~George W. Bush

    By CommunistAJC

    November 12, 2008 4:41 PM | Link to this

    TN Gelding, Prove it. Show us all how Bush stole his MBA. This is the thing with liberals. You guys/gals throw out conspiracy theories yet you can never prove them. Prove that Bush was given an MBA from Harvard. I also love how you call him stupid yet you say nothing of Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi. NOTHING!

    By cws

    November 12, 2008 4:41 PM | Link to this

    lOOK WHAT THE JACKASS REPUBLICANS HAVE DONE TO THIS NATION WITH 16 YEARS OF CONTROL OF THE HOUSE AND ADD THAT TO THE EIGHT OF BUSH ; IT CAN ONLY GO UP FROM HERE

    By crazy eddie

    November 12, 2008 4:42 PM | Link to this

    MR COMMUNIST…

    It must be, as Tony the Tiger would say a GREAAAAAAT JOB!

    One that allows you to goggle all day, to provide college grades of politicians so you can BLOG all day.

    WOW….I’M impressed…Now tell me how do I get me one of these jobs?

    By CommunistAJC

    November 12, 2008 4:45 PM | Link to this

    crazy eddie, First, accumulate some vacation time then we can talk. I’d ask you the same thing since you are here now blogging. What is goggle?

    By @@

    November 12, 2008 4:53 PM | Link to this

    The people got what they wanted

    Good grief! That one’s loaded.

    How will they know until they experience it.

    I often buy panties cause they’re cute and sexy. After wearing “em for 20 minutes, they’re up my crack.

    Stores won’t take panties back, jay.

    By TN Gelding

    November 12, 2008 4:53 PM | Link to this

    CommunistAJC

    November 12, 2008 4:41 PM

    I’ve said many times Pelosi and Reid need to be replaced.

    I’ve never called President Bush stupid. He is intellectually incurious, tho, and apparently thought he could skate through his presidency holding photo ops instead of working hard.

    If we don’t stop extending our troops all around the world in nation-building missions, we’re going to have a serious problem coming down the road.

    ~George W. Bush

    It’s not his fault. His father should have taken him to the woodshed years ago and should have exposed him as being unqualified when he first ran.

    By CommunistAJC

    November 12, 2008 4:58 PM | Link to this

    TN Gelding, Well, I see that we can agree on something. I still think Jeb would have been the better president. His dad was not that great of a president. He rode the coattails of Reagan.

    By crazy eddie

    November 12, 2008 5:05 PM | Link to this

    By CommunistAJC ..

    Oh excuse me Mr. Communist.

    I went and done one of those unpardonable sins called a typo…Please don’t exile me to one of those GULAGS!

    Oh..Mr Communist I got plenty of vacation time since being laid off at the chicken plant!

    Let me ask you a question though Mr. vacation time…blogging is what you do with your vacation time?

    Get a life, DUDE!

    By CommunistAJC

    November 12, 2008 5:10 PM | Link to this

    crazy eddie, I rather enjoy p** you and other libs off. Gives you a taste of your own medicine. Now go back to goggle and play with yourself.

    Get a life, Dud!

    By TN Gelding

    November 12, 2008 5:22 PM | Link to this

    CommunistAJC

    November 12, 2008 4:58 PM

    I agree with you about Jeb.

    Daddy Bush teared up when thinking about what could have been. I look for Jeb to reappear in a year or two.

    Our nation is somewhat sad, but we’re angry. There’s a certain level of blood lust, but we won’t let it drive our reaction. We’re steady, clear-eyed and patient, but pretty soon we’ll have to start displaying scalps.

    ~George W. Bush

    By CommunistAJC

    November 12, 2008 5:27 PM | Link to this

    TN Gelding, I don’t think Jeb is going to be able to do anything in the GOP. I mean, that family has already ruined the republican party. I lived in Florida for a while and the people really liked him a lot. Too bad that we are in the state we are in today.

    By vuduchld

    November 12, 2008 5:45 PM | Link to this

    Gun stores are tripping over themselves with Obama being elected because they have a great marketing tool to get more people in stores to buy guns. Don’t you people see the hypocrispy here. This is the so-called Socialist who wants to take your guns away and eventhough he’s not offically prez yet, you haven’t heard a word of negativity from him about people buying guns!

    BTW, for you neocons who seem to always have a disease called “selective memory”, I never heard a peep from you when Reagan had his bloc in Congress or when Bush had his so what gives? It did bother you before so it sure as hell shouldn’t bother you now!!

    By SAAWW

    November 12, 2008 5:53 PM | Link to this

    “The people” are a product of our ever declining public school systems. Georgia is ranked 56th out of the 57 states in the union according to Barry, right?

    By Rocco Pedestrian

    November 12, 2008 5:53 PM | Link to this

    The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice. As Georgians become better educated, this ignorance and fear will subside. GA and NC are the next southern states to flip blue for real. There are fewer and fewer backward southerners each year. Progress is hard and scary. It takes courage to be a progressive. The courage that a little girl showed walking into a school in Arkansas. The courage to say yes, we can.

    By T Jefferson

    November 12, 2008 5:55 PM | Link to this

    “A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.”

    By vuduchld

    November 12, 2008 6:02 PM | Link to this

    Ray

    The African-Americans you mentioned in your piece, with the exception of Cosby and maybe Watts, never have been and never will be a part of our community. Those folks made a pact with the devil long ago and decided that being Quislings was better than helping their communities. It’s funny because some of these clowns like Elder, Sowell, Thomas, etc took full advantage of the opporunities that some people fought for but never recieved, but they now run around climing they’re experts. The will never have credability with us, those monkeys can rot in hell as far as I’m concerned!!

    By Steve

    November 12, 2008 6:21 PM | Link to this

    What percentage of people supported the Iraq war when it started? Have we learned nothing about how quickly the American people change their mind. I am sure the polls number said the same thing in ‘92 and the Dems were out in ‘94. The Rep lasted 6 years but were eventually thrown out. I believe the electorate is very split and it would take very much for it to swing one way or the other.

    The Rep were gloating in 2000 and the Dem are gloating now.

    Jay should put a cheerleading outfit on.

    By Algonquin J. Calhoun

    November 12, 2008 6:50 PM | Link to this

    Too bad that we are in the state we are in today. i agree if you are in the state of Georgia Commisalmi.

    By Joel

    November 12, 2008 7:17 PM | Link to this

    I don’t doubt those numbers. But the mob isn’t always right.

    By Mike T.

    November 12, 2008 7:33 PM | Link to this

    No wonder the GOP is imploding everywhere but the Deep South…

    You need to look at the elsction map a little closer dude.

    By Midori

    November 12, 2008 7:48 PM | Link to this

    LOL

    *Bookman gets paid to peck out this tripe? What does Bookman provide that “GodHatesTrash” or Midori does not? *

    Mike,

    I just love it that I’m forever on your mind.

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