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168,785 missing voters in Senate race

Here’s a strange number:

More than 168,000 Georgia voters went to the polls on Nov. 4 and cast ballots for president, then walked out without bothering to cast a vote in the highly advertised U.S. Senate race between Saxby Chambliss and Jim Martin.

That seems like a lot — an undervote of 4.3 percent. To put it in context, in a Senate race in 2004 pitting Johnny Isakson against Denise Majette, the undervote here in Georgia was only 2.3 percent.

So maybe this was an ‘08 phenomenon, something unique to the heightened emotions of the Obama-McCain race?

That doesn’t appear to be the explanation either. Minnesota, with a hotly contested Senate race between Norm Coleman and Al Franken, reported only 14,000 undervotes, a rate of 0.5 percent. The same pattern holds with most other states with tough Senate races.

In North Carolina, the Senate undervote was 1.1 percent of the presidential total. In Oregon it was 3.3 percent, and 2.3 percent in New Hampshire. The only state where the total approached Georgia’s was Louisiana, at 4.0 percent.

So who were these people? Were they Obama voters who just cast their ballots for their favorite and walked out? The evidence for that is weak. In Fulton County, which went for Obama by more than 2-1, the undervote was 2.85 percent, lower than the undervote rate in McCain counties such as Cobb (3.4 percent) and Cherokee (3.1 percent). In DeKalb County the rate was 4.4 percent, about the state average.

So what’s YOUR explanation?

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By Logical Dude

November 10, 2008 12:48 PM | Link to this

Sounds like a LOT of people saw all the negative ads and said “NONE OF THE ABOVE”

By Sissy Saxby

November 10, 2008 12:53 PM | Link to this

Even Sissy Saxby’s thousands of lobbyist friends couldn’t bear to vote for him, so they just didn’t vote.

By BeeJay

November 10, 2008 12:57 PM | Link to this

Lots of people, every presidential election, only cast a vote for the president and leave the rest alone - thank God - because they don’t know enough to make an informed decision. To try to make this into some partisan piece of crap shows that Mr. Bookman is scraping the barrel to try and get something to write about. A better idea would have been to write nothing. That’s about what this is worth.

By rustylynn

November 10, 2008 1:00 PM | Link to this

Jay, I’m conservative and you have no idea how painful it was to stand in line to vote for McCain and Saxby. I know no Republican who was happy about our choices on the ballot. I think your business and your cousins on TV keep a lot of talent from running for office. Who would want the Sarah Palin treatment while Biden and Barack Hussein Obama get palm leaves thrown down by the press on their way to the Whilte House? Congrats to the AJC on the victory, BTW.

By Leni

November 10, 2008 1:01 PM | Link to this

Jay is looking for a conspiracy. Someone throw him a bone,please, or caveat canem!

By Joey

November 10, 2008 1:04 PM | Link to this

It seems to me that the Senate race only became a contested race in the last 2 to 3 weeks. There was not enough time to get the message out that Martin might be viable.

By bh

November 10, 2008 1:06 PM | Link to this

Jay, I think your collegue, Mr. Wooten, hit on the reason this morning

“thanks to Republicans who thought it necessary to send him a message on spending and on untimely bipartisanship.”

They, of course, couldn’t bring themselves to vote for one of the other two candidates either though.

By Peadawg

November 10, 2008 1:12 PM | Link to this

Let’s all pray for this great country if the Dems control everything…allowing abortion(murder) and stem cell research(playing God)…Lord help us all!!!

By "The Corporal"

November 10, 2008 1:17 PM | Link to this

Tidbits

1) Obama is touting an armed national civilian security force (I wonder what kind of weapons we will carry?) to rival the U.S. military and mandatory community service for all children.

Can you imagine the uproar if McCain had come up with this brown shirt idea?

2) Did you hear the lady from Obama’s transition team talk about he is ready to rule vs. govern?

King Obama reigns!

3) The democrats are going to go after your 401k’s, IRA’s, etc. Get ready………..you get what you asked for.

4) Over the weekend President-elect Barack Obama scrubbed Change.gov, his transition Web site, deleting most of what had been a massive agenda copied directly from his campaign Web site. Gone are the promises.

By Swami Dave

November 10, 2008 1:20 PM | Link to this

To answer your question Jay, it is some statistics that should highlight to Senator Chambliss and his campaign that they have some real work to do!

Of course, if you or someone at the AJC did the rudimentary statistical analsysis that I just performed, then you knew that already.

Of course, it you did indeed know it & you saw the same trends that I just noticed, then you (and I) both know the ads that we are about to see in Georgia!

-Swami Dave

By gttim

November 10, 2008 1:28 PM | Link to this

Sadly, we cannot know what this happened. We have electronic voting without any paper trail for audit purposes. Every voter, Dem or GOP, should be demanding a verifiable paper trail to all elections so that results can indeed be audited.

We would never let any financial institution exist if it could not be audited. Can you imagine the IRS allowing companies file returns that could not be audited? How about banks that just give its customers a statement with the balance every month and no other information, and then telling its customers that they just had to trust them? It would never happen. Yet we allow voting, our most sacred right, happen and merely trust the results because they cannot be audited.

By reebok

November 10, 2008 1:28 PM | Link to this

You’ve probably already answered this, Jay, but did Jim Wooten come across with that buck he bet you on the election?

By mike hussein smith

November 10, 2008 1:30 PM | Link to this

Swami Dave, you have hit upon one of my primal fears: the onslaught of political advertising we’re gonna see between now and Dec. 2. It’s downright scary!

I agree with those above who think the so-called vote gap in the Saxby-Jim race actually was a type of vote being cast by Republicans of principle (I’m sure there must be some even in Georgia) because of their disdain for Chambliss. Well, that may be why we’re having a runoff and why Martin has a good shot of winning. What if all those disaffected return and cast a real ballot in the runoff race!!!

By Shawny

November 10, 2008 1:32 PM | Link to this

yep, it was “an ‘08 phenomenon, something unique to the heightened emotions of the Obama-McCain race?”

Obamamania eclipsed the senate race, far and away. There were probably people that voted either for or against Obama that don’t even know who was running for senate, nor did they care.

By HIHI

November 10, 2008 1:40 PM | Link to this

I saw nothing rudimentary presented. Where is it. Where is the swami’s rudimentary statistical analysis. What percentage of the total vote does this 168k represent? Where did it come from? the blue counties or red counties or equal weighting? etc….

By Soixante huitard

November 10, 2008 1:51 PM | Link to this

News flash: Bill Kristol turns in his finest editorial piece yet as a New York Times columnist.

By Bosch

November 10, 2008 1:51 PM | Link to this

I think in this case, I have to agree with Logical Dude. I think alot of people were tired of both of them by the end of the race. I know a few people who voted for Buckley simply based on the ads alone.

My son and I were watching a football game the Sunday before the election and counted six back to back commercials from Saxby/Martin - first Chamblis, then Martin, then Chambliss, then Martin - well you get the picture. It was insane.

But I also agree with gttim, it is also insane to think that we do not have a system to verify our vote. This is not a third world country and we should have that back up.

By mike hussein smith

November 10, 2008 2:01 PM | Link to this

HUITARD — wASN;T that Kristol column a hoot? And, yes, I agree with you this this is his best NYT piece yet. Back in the summer, Kristol wrote a breathless column saying Mike Murphy would return to a top post in the McCain campaign within days. Of course, that never happened. Murphy signed on with MSNBC instead. I later sent Kristol e-mails asking “Where’s Murphy?” — the headline on the column — but never got a reply. And there were factual errors in the first few columns he wrote for the nyt, which got him off to a really bad start.

By onomatpeia

November 10, 2008 2:04 PM | Link to this

50% of Georgians don’t even complete high school.

What makes you think that they are able to vote compentently

By mike hussein smith

November 10, 2008 2:10 PM | Link to this

Please do not construe my previous post on Kristol as being in any way an endorsement of him, his shoddy column or his lamebrained ideas. The column today is more in the pig-finds-a-truffle category rather than being a pure neocom harangue/smoke dream.

By GOP is gone

November 10, 2008 2:12 PM | Link to this

I think it was GOP voters who know Chambliss is an a$$ but could not stomach voting for the clearly better choice, the Democrat.

By Copyleft

November 10, 2008 2:14 PM | Link to this

I check all the candidates in every race, local, state, or federal. The only spots I leave blank are races where someone’s running unopposed.

I find it discouraging that so many citizens would care about the presidency, but not the Congress or any state-level races.

By getalife

November 10, 2008 2:15 PM | Link to this

Short attention span?

President Obama should tell w he will be prosecuted for his crimes and looting the treasury.

No pardons.

By podivad

November 10, 2008 2:20 PM | Link to this

Maybe we need to add a vote box for NONE OF THE ABOVE for every office on the ballot.

By Morningstar

November 10, 2008 2:24 PM | Link to this

By BeeJay November 10, 2008 12:57 PM To try to make this into some partisan piece of crap shows that Mr. Bookman is scraping the barrel to try and get something to write about.

In this day and age? I doubt it, but let’s find out what REALLY happened. If the above is the case, then move on, after we determine what REALLY transpired! Huh???

By Peadawg November 10, 2008 1:12 PM Let’s all pray for this great country if the Dems control everything…allowing abortion(murder

Ohmygosh! Here we go again. Never give up on that abortion issue! As if it couldn’t have been stopped altogether during the time the R’s controlled everything!!! Peadoggie, the R’s coulda stopped this when the R’s had control of everything…..never mind, I refuse to go there again. I’ve posted this spill numerous times. Bottom line:::: Abortion will not be stopped: It’s the best and perhaps only thing the R’s have to babble about.

From a personal standpoint, I wish abortion could be stopped, except in extenuating circumstances which include rape, incest, life of or health of the mother, the fetus has little or no chance of developing normally etc. etc. Same as any reasonable person. And NO folksies, I’m not talking about the Mommie’s wish to finish college first, resulting in a mild depressive state.

If abortion could be stopped, perhaps we could move on to other issues that presently are presenting problems for CHILDREN. We could enact a health care program, shore up Social Security, create jobs. Golly gee, what couldn’t we do if we concentrated on ……….

I agree; let’s pray about everything. I do, every day.

By Swami Dave

November 10, 2008 2:26 PM | Link to this

HIHI:

According to the GA SOS web site:

The undervote was 168,785 for the state or 4.3% (as Jay presented). For Senator Chambliss, his undervote (versus McCain) was 181,510 or 8.8% when measured against McCain. For Martin, his undervote (versus Obama) was 86,289. The wildcard was Buckley who got almost 100,000 votes more than did Barr (for a 344% “overvote” for the Libertarian in that race).

In no county did Senator Chambliss get more votes than Senator McCain. Howwever, in a number of counties, Martin got more votes than Senator Obama.

The challenge for Senator Chambliss highlighted by some of these numbers is that he still has a good bit of work to persuade & then turnout the numbers that will be required to win.

The challenge for Martin is that his highest undervote totals were in some of the urban districts upon which any hope of a win will be based. If these voters indeed did turnout to vote for Senator Obama, but do not show up for the runoff, he has little to no chance.

For all of the ads that we are about to see (one of which I could write today), it will ultimate be a ground game & he, who frames the question first, will probably win.

-Swami Dave

By JackLeg

November 10, 2008 2:31 PM | Link to this

Any body that did not vote for Obama please report the re-education camps!

By RW-(the original)

November 10, 2008 2:31 PM | Link to this

Maybe they were the same kind of voters that think Zell Miller ran against Denise Majette.

By GaLiberal

November 10, 2008 2:36 PM | Link to this

I think a lot of this was driven by people not having time to vote. They waited in lines for hours then faced with a insanely huge ballot they voted just for President. Leave it up to the Rethuglicons and that political hack Karen Handel to mess up the election. Also, there may have been some thoughts that Saxby Shameless would win hands down so why bother to vote. That would explain the under vote in bigoted Snobb County. The good thing about the upcoming run-off - there won’t be an under vote. Just people who don’t bother to vote.

If you want to see Saxby Shameless further embarrass Georgia, then just stay home. If you want someone who will work WITH President Obama (that feels soooooo good), then you need to get out and vote for Jim Martin. Ol’ Shameless has already said he going to obstruct and imped the Democrats. He had no similar compunctions when Bush was spending us into a $500+ BILLION deficit and running the debt over $10 TRILLION. The check comes due and Ol’ Shameless wants to pretend it doesn’t exist or that he’s not part of the problem. So out of touch with reality. Add on this special interest ties to big agribusiness and that his son is a paid lobbyist, who do you think Ol’ Shameless cares about? You and me? NOT!

When you vote Rethuglicon, you vote against your own best interests. And Saxby Shameless is living proof.

By Tom

November 10, 2008 2:38 PM | Link to this

Unlike libs, conservatives will make their candidates sweat. We made mack sweat during the primaries and voted for him in the general.

Obamanuts know nothing about sweating. They voted for his-story. They are done voting. Martin will be defeated by lack of interest.

Ours continues.

Conservatives, let’s roll to the polls on 12/2/08.

By Soixante huitard

November 10, 2008 2:42 PM | Link to this

What’s the big deal, Jay, you talk as though a few hundred thousand votes here or there could actually swing an election or something.

By GaLiberal

November 10, 2008 2:42 PM | Link to this

I think a lot of this was driven by people not having time to vote. They waited in lines for hours then faced with a insanely huge ballot they voted just for President. Leave it up to the Rethuglicons and that political hack Karen Handel to mess up the election. Also, there may have been some thoughts that Saxby Shameless would win hands down so why bother to vote. That would explain the under vote in bigoted Snobb County. The good thing about the upcoming run-off - there won’t be an under vote. Just people who don’t bother to vote.

If you want to see Saxby Shameless further embarrass Georgia, then just stay home. If you want someone who will work WITH President Obama (that feels soooooo good), then you need to get out and vote for Jim Martin. Ol’ Shameless has already said he going to obstruct and imped the Democrats. He had no similar compunctions when Bush was spending us into a $500+ BILLION deficit and running the debt over $10 TRILLION. The check comes due and Ol’ Shameless wants to pretend it doesn’t exist or that he’s not part of the problem. So out of touch with reality. Add on this special interest ties to big agribusiness and that his son is a paid lobbyist, who do you think Ol’ Shameless cares about? You and me? NOT!

When you vote Rethuglicon, you vote against your own best interests. And Saxby Shameless is living proof.

By AR

November 10, 2008 2:50 PM | Link to this

Seriously, Jay, maybe get your races straight? Zell Miller retired in 2004. Denise Majette ran against Johnny Isakson.

By GodHatesTrash

November 10, 2008 2:51 PM | Link to this

This is a win-win situation for Obama.

My bet is he’ll spend a lot of time in Georgia between now and the 2nd. If Martin wins, his politicking will have paid off.

If the Chickenhawk wins, it will be further proof how despicable the typical GOP voter really is.

Decent folks will be even more angry and outraged.

By JAY BOOKMAN

November 10, 2008 2:57 PM | Link to this

Thanks, RW, fixed it above.

My bad. (very).

By RW-(the original)

November 10, 2008 3:10 PM | Link to this

Well Jay, you did have reason to have Zell on your mind.

By SOUTHERN ATL

November 10, 2008 3:26 PM | Link to this

Most people that have migrated to Georgia in recent years are not familiar with the state’s Senate leaders. A lot of the young people especially the ones that were voting for the first time was only interested in voting for the President. There are a lot of issues that this great state is facing and a lot of dark days ahead. Until we can UNITE together, we as SOUTHERNERS will ALWAYS BE LEFT BEHIND. It is just a mindset that has been suppressed by a lack of education and diversity…I am proud to be southerner but whenever I traveled abroad, it was sometimes embarrassing to hold a conversation with people in Iceland, Germany, Spain, Italy, Switzerland, etc. when they wanted to know about the SOUTH!!! I often had to defend my views and try to change their perception…I always felt like I was fighting a never ending battle. I am not familiar with the true definition of the “NEW SOUTH”….not much new when it comes to racial division…

Jay, as for the Senate race, do you know if Barack Obama is planning to come to Atlanta to campaign for JIM MARTIN?

By getalife

November 10, 2008 3:27 PM | Link to this

Obama is sending his team for Martin. Looks like he wants those Senate votes so help him out GA.

By Kathy Bruce

November 10, 2008 3:29 PM | Link to this

Sounds like the no paper trail voting machines purchased from big Republican Diebold were used to ‘lose’ some of the Democratic votes. How would we know? There is NO PAPER TRAIL!

By AJC/DNC Management

November 10, 2008 3:30 PM | Link to this

Over the weekend President-elect Barack Obama scrubbed Change.gov, his transition Web site, deleting most of what had been a massive agenda copied directly from his campaign Web site.

He knows that the average lib will never remember what they are being lied to about.

But I will.

By RW-(the original)

November 10, 2008 3:31 PM | Link to this

SOUTHERN ATL,

I don’t think Obama wants to take the chance of looking like he was given a rejection by campaigning for Martin and seeing Chambliss win.If they get involved at all you’ll probably see Biden.

By SOUTHERN ATL

November 10, 2008 3:34 PM | Link to this

By getalife November 10, 2008 3:27 PM

Thanks! Do you know if a rally is planned? If so, when and where will it be?

By Steve

November 10, 2008 3:46 PM | Link to this

Do I want to see Jim ‘tax us to death so I can raise my own salary and expenditures but do nothing for the people’ Martin in congress working with Obama?? No chance in a million years.

Thank goodness the major undervote was on the Conservative side, or Michael Moore and Larry Flint would be taking it to the movies and the Supreme Court saying it was a conspiracy.

By getalife

November 10, 2008 3:53 PM | Link to this

SOUTHERN ATL,

Not sure if the President will show but McCain will for Suxby.

By SOUTHERN ATL

November 10, 2008 3:54 PM | Link to this

TAXES, TAXES, TAXES….

OBAMA/BIDEN TAX CALCULATOR YOU DO THE MATH:

http://taxcut.barackobama.com/

By .......throw the rascal out

November 10, 2008 4:05 PM | Link to this

Sack Saxby and send him back to Moultrie. -Prevent another 6 years of Saxby terrorism to Georgians.

By GodHatesTrash

November 10, 2008 4:06 PM | Link to this

Seriously, Obama’s strong participation in the upcoming runoff will turn Chickenhawk Chambliss’s re-election into a national referendum.

Either Martin wins, or people get another chance to see just how backwoods and depraved the typical Georgia voter is.

Georgia will either join us in the 21st century, or it will re-elect the worthless cowardly race-baiter.

By Skeptic Tank

November 10, 2008 4:06 PM | Link to this

I attribute the undervote to ignorance of the parties running for office and ignorance of their platforms. This election was about one thing to many people, and that was to elect a black man as President. Last time I checked, neither Saxby nor Jim Martin are men of color, and neither of them is charismatic enough to pull in the emotionally-inclined voter.

BTW, I voted for Obama, for reasons other than race.

By Say What?

November 10, 2008 4:13 PM | Link to this

Any truth to the rumor that Sarah Palin was considering stumping for Saxby, until she realized that Georgia is a state AND a country, but not a continent?

By Doc Holliday

November 10, 2008 4:15 PM | Link to this

I had to vote for the libertarian because they both got on my nerves, I would not be surprised if others intentionally refused to vote for either of them.

By AJC/DNC Management

November 10, 2008 4:19 PM | Link to this

U.S. Stocks Retreat as Earnings Concern Overshadows Stimulus

Yeah, worry over how much of your earnings are going to go to the government run by socialists.

None, cause we’ll all be broke, hahahaha.

With our hands out.

By CommunistAJC

November 10, 2008 4:20 PM | Link to this

JAY BOOKMAN, Your Nittany Lions looked terrible. Oh well, at least TT is still looking great. And Florida.

By YEBBA

November 10, 2008 4:23 PM | Link to this

WHAT A FOUL STATE

By Soixante huitard

November 10, 2008 4:27 PM | Link to this

Tom: Unlike libs, conservatives will make their candidates sweat.

A real knee-slapper there, Tommy Boy.

I’m sure Barack Obama, Democratic nominee of ‘08, knew nothing of sweating, what with having survived an unusually long primary campaign against one of the toughest teams in all of politics, with weeks of chaotic results with state after state going to one or the other candidate, wild swings in margins with no end in sight for weeks and a potential convention floor fight looming over problems with state voting practices. Reverend Wright releasing his greatest hits during the primary. And just for fun he got to top it off with a couple of extra weeks where not only was he fair game to his primary opponent, but to his future general election opponent as well, a truly extraordinary situation not seen in decades.

So, yeah, I’m sure it was a breeze.

By Mike T.

November 10, 2008 4:27 PM | Link to this

Vote SAXBY to help the filibuster effort so the socialists don’t have a free reign. 1456 days till we can put King Hussenin out.

By Eric1

November 10, 2008 4:28 PM | Link to this

Corporal, BeeJay, shut the uck fup you twits!

By TN Gelding

November 10, 2008 4:37 PM | Link to this

AJC/DNC Management

November 10, 2008 4:19 PM

Yeah, that’s real funny.

You sir, are no patriot.

This is very serious. Start acting that way.

By Brent

November 10, 2008 4:41 PM | Link to this

Bookieman, A lot of us conservatives weren’t happy that Saxby voted for the bailout, so we didn’t support him. You are going to find the huge majority of those non-votes were from conservatives, not liberals. Given the possibility of a 60 vote Senate for Dems, look for conservatives to come out in force in the run-off for Saxby.

By lovelyliz

November 10, 2008 5:02 PM | Link to this

If you aren’t happy with any of the candidates, write in your mother-in-law’s name.

By AJC/DNC Management

November 10, 2008 5:26 PM | Link to this

By TN Gelding November 10, 2008 4:37 PM AJC/DNC Management November 10, 2008 4:19 Yeah, that’s real funny. You sir, are no patriot. This is very serious. Start acting that way.

Horsey: I know this is serious, why do you think I laugh?

You dullard liberals have forgotten who it is that has been footing the bill for you, now you want to stick us with your party tab?

Tax this-

Dow Jones Industrial Average Down 73.27 (0.82%)

Say buh bye to the free ride, socialist.

By ron

November 10, 2008 5:33 PM | Link to this

It is obvious that 168,000 people voted for President that didn’t vote for a Senator.Surely no one suspects chicanery here do they?Like a few voting machines in certain areas rigged not to record certain votes?Surely not.Slow ,Slow counting in certain areas because votes were being altered a little?You jest.I guess it’s all a coincidence.

By Taxpayer

November 10, 2008 5:43 PM | Link to this

Irony abounds in this election cycle. We now have conservatives talking of a need to get out the vote for — reach across the aisle with both hands, arms, feet and legs because I ain’t no dang conservative and nobody better say otherwise or else — Saxby for fear of rendering the Senate filibuster-proof in favor of the non-conservative members. Am I missing something here.

By dave

November 10, 2008 5:58 PM | Link to this

Skeptic Tank - you “voted for Obama for reasons other than his race” like what (other than you hate George Bush)?

By TN Gelding

November 10, 2008 6:20 PM | Link to this

AJC/DNC Management

November 10, 2008 5:26 PM

We don’t want a free ride.

I challenge you to show me Republicans pay more in taxes than Democrats.

And I’d bet there’s no difference in abortions between parties, either. And that would also apply to divorce, promiscuity, alcoholism, drug addiction, etc.

I’m not a registered Democrat, BTW, but generally vote that way.

Just give the guy a chance. When he does something wrong, then criticize all you want. It’s your right.

By james mcwilliams

November 10, 2008 6:39 PM | Link to this

Some people appear to have forgotten what it feels like to have a Gov. which looks out fot the people ,has aa afoordable health plan, protects people who oqn houses , encourages job creationand stays out of unnecessary wars . The Dems and Obama will have to help these people overcome their connection to the Republican Party which put the country in trillion $ debt and went to unnecessary wars and claimed the greedy would share .

By SOUTHERN ATL

November 10, 2008 6:42 PM | Link to this

Round 2 ——Run-off

JAY…HERE I GO AGAIN…

On December 2, 2008, the Congress in Washington D.C. will come to order… They will ask “SENATOR SAXBY CHAMBLISS” to stand…..speeches will be made…followed by applauses…A song will be dedicated… Here is it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3YSHwJ_SAA&feature=related

It’s going to be a long ride back to Georgia!!

By Ol South New

November 10, 2008 6:42 PM | Link to this

To all on this Blog. Let not you heart be troubled. It’s all Politics. America Is right were it belongs, closer to the center and closer to living up to the creed of this nation.

By Midori

November 10, 2008 6:42 PM | Link to this

Now I see where Andy and Corporal get their talking points:

Just like the Scarecrow in the Wizard of Oz.

By TN Gelding

November 10, 2008 6:44 PM | Link to this

Blue skies, smiling at me.

By reasonable

November 10, 2008 7:38 PM | Link to this

Please comment on the utterly moronic charge from Rep. Paul Broun who today called the president=elect a Marxist, a term for a person who I seriously doubt he would recognize if he bit him on the bottom. Further, he then decided the president-elect was setting up a Gestapo type organization so he could rule as a dictator. Beyond the innate silliness of the remarks of this intelligence challenged person, he apparently does not realize the vast gulf between the Nazis and Marxists (a little matter of opposite ends of the political spectrum and the fact that they wanted to kill each other). It would be funny, if it was not so sad and dangerous. This kind of ignorance fuels the fringe elements of any society. I thought the “uppity” comments of another Congressman were the most outlandish I had seen. I now know I was sadly mistaken. Only when the Republicans throw these fringe elements out will they be truly able to return to the center-moderate area of American politics. We need a viable Republican Party as much as we need a viable Democratic Party. These kind of unchallenged extremist comments make that effort harder to achieve.

By Soixante huitard

November 10, 2008 8:42 PM | Link to this

Amen, reasonable. See my point in the segment next up.

By Soixante huitard

November 10, 2008 8:46 PM | Link to this

Now, here’s an interesting little ‘mental experiment’.

Given the idiotic statement made by Mr. Broun, our fine state representative about Obama being a Marxist, just ask yourself: without knowing anything else at all about this representative, what party would you guess he belongs to?

Could there be any doubt?

I would answer, No, there could not be. And THAT tells you all you need to know about the party that is current facing its greatest ever crackup and crisis. (Not that news of that crisis has made it down this way towards some of the sleepier areas of this state.)

By S. Lansing

November 10, 2008 9:47 PM | Link to this

This Georgia election reeks of intentional mis-management by the republican election officials; Five days of excuses regarding election extension times, when the feds have granted them to the state in past elections, in 24 hour periods, not reporting 5 days of pre-voting results included to the press on the night of the election (as reported by wsb-tv 2 election night) and now and unbelievable 168K votes missing for Senate. There should be a federal investigation into the Georgia elections. These actions appear politically motivated and need journalistic questioning. I commend AJC for asking these questions. It is time for journalism to return in the ranks and start supporting democracy again.

By S. Lansing

November 10, 2008 9:48 PM | Link to this

This Georgia election reeks of intentional mis-management by the republican election officials; Five days of excuses regarding election extension times, when the feds have granted them to the state in past elections, in 24 hour periods, not reporting 5 days of pre-voting results included to the press on the night of the election (as reported by wsb-tv 2 election night) and now and unbelievable 168K votes missing for Senate. There should be a federal investigation into the Georgia elections. These actions appear politically motivated and need journalistic questioning. I commend AJC for asking these questions. It is time for journalism to return in the ranks and start supporting democracy again.

By Planet Earth

November 11, 2008 2:51 AM | Link to this

I’ve got news for you idiots posting about abortion. Think about the future, 100 years from now, if the human race survives that long. At some point, the United States will become like China and families will be forced to remain under a certain size. A couple may only be allowed to bear one child. Has anyone considered overpopulation, what it is already doing to our planet, and what it will be like in 100 years if we don’t do something to stop it? We’ll upset the balance of the planet so badly, pollute it so badly, and use up all of its precious resources like fresh water, that we’d damn well better consider abortion. Of course, the first option is responsible birth control … wow! What a concept! There’s an option, too. But at some point, the people on this earth are going to have to wake up to reality on a number of issues. You can’t keep driving your gas-guzzling SUVs and acquiring made-in-China junk at Target and adding to your clothing wardrobe even if economic times get better. The landfills will keep getting bigger, the earth will be polluted with plastic, but I suppose as long as you have WHAT YOU CONSIDER TO BE RIGHTFULLY YOURS, as in, your big house, your nice car, your whatever … I suppose that it should always be someone else’s problem to fix. Well, these aren’t somebody else’s problems. These are OUR problems. And we all have to join hands and work together to fix them. Read this in 100 years, if humans are still around, as we deal with rolling black-outs due to power shortages. Let’s see if we survive it, if we prepare for it, if we are smart about it. But for all of you screaming against abortion, there will come a time when it will be necessary, even for those of you who would rather not think of it. How would you feel if you lived in China and you could only have one child? There are billions in China. What do you expect them to do? Can you imagine the burden polluted China would be on the planet if they did NOT have that system in place? So please, think about issues and don’t have a short-sighted approach. The human race cannot afford idiots who can’t see beyond their own backyards. Not if we are going to survive and live a quality life on this planet Earth.

By BOB

November 11, 2008 1:56 PM | Link to this

THIS IS ABOUT THE NUMBER OF OBAMA VOTERS THAT COULD NOT READ. THEY ONLY KNEW HOW TO SPOT THE LETTERS O B A M A , NO WAY THEY KNEW WHAT THE SLOT MARKED CHAMBLISS MEANT! WAIT A COUPLE OF YEARS AND THEY WILL SURLEY REALIZE THAT O B A M A SPELLS DISASTER.I FEELSORRY FOR THE KIDS THAT DID NOT HAVE A VOTE. THEIR PARENTS HAVE DOOMED THEM TO TAXES THAT NO ONE CAN HANDLE.

By Truth in Voting Results

November 11, 2008 3:51 PM | Link to this

It is clear that GA does not want its voting population to realize just how Democratic the state has become in the past few years. So to keep from turning the state Blue (Democratic) or allowing the Senator (to be Democratic) this issue has been allowed to surface.

The current voting technology allows for cheating and has no paper trail by which to confirm or negate anything. Hope that the Justice Department comes in to do a clear investigation into the way elections are done in Georgia before the next Governor’s race.

If the voting public did realize that Democratic candidates have a chance in Georgia the Republicans would not remain in power. Hope the Georgia Republicans realize that their ballot box/voting games will no longer be tolerated!!! Everyone is watching. So are we now going to be the poster child for election mismanagement, similar to that which was done in Florida.

Republican voters need to really get over themselves, the American voting public has spoken and in a 2-1 victory now they should quietly deal with it. Did not the Democratic voters have to do the same when the election was taken in 2000 and 2004? Get over it! The landslide victory leaves no room for legal contesting or manipulation…the people have spoken.

By Agnes Smith

November 11, 2008 4:35 PM | Link to this

Hilarious how nitwit neocon republicans toss out words like “socialist” when they have no clue what a word like that really means. They’re like freakin’ myna birds to whatever Sean Hannity says.

“Oh no! That colored guy is a socialist! I better stop makin’ out with my cousin and grab my rifle!”

It’s tragic that inbred Georgia republicans have the entire U.S. believing the entire state is nothing but a bunch of uneducated, ignorant, racist idiots.

If only Altanta could become it’s own state and leave inbred, racist crackerville Georgia to Alabama.

Can we put that to a vote? No doubt it would be record turnout.

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