How many wakeup calls can they sleep through?

By getalife

November 6, 2008 2:16 PM | Link to this

We can ignore them now and focus on our future. They are not credible and will fight among themselves. Fun to watch but to be ignored.

So far, President Obama’s two picks for his administration are very good.

By Mrs. Godzilla

November 6, 2008 2:18 PM | Link to this

Center right…..funny.

These folks think anybody left of James Dobson is Abbie Hoffman.

Remember, if the GOP says A, then B it is.

By Taxpayer

November 6, 2008 2:19 PM | Link to this

The answer lies in an old piece of humor, Jay. For the Democrat facing the Republican and trying to explain the way things are, it goes something like, That would be MY left. You just cannot get through to some of them no matter how hard you try.

By Logical Dude

November 6, 2008 2:21 PM | Link to this

Well, people are more center than right.

For just an example: To the right “center-right” still means anti-abortion, but still okay with birth control that prevents growth after conception.

To the left “center-right” means people don’t like abortion but don’t feel the government should should make it illegal.

So, there is a different perception of what “center”, “center-left” and “center-right” actually mean; depending on if you are in the center, the left, or the right.

By BDAtlanta

November 6, 2008 2:22 PM | Link to this

Even after all the problems you wingnuts attribute to the past 1.5 years of Democratic Congressional control, the voting public still wasn’t going to vote for more wingnuts to serve their state.

Take your Karl Rove, pack up the Ferrari (we gave you through corporate welfare) and get out of town.

By Midori

November 6, 2008 2:27 PM | Link to this

Well, Jay — as we all know reality has it’s own liberal bias……..

By G

November 6, 2008 2:32 PM | Link to this

The Republicans really crippled themselves when they sold out to the extreme religious right.

That may have served them well for a time, but it has also robbed them of any flexibility to adapt to changing social conditions. The demographics are working against them, and they are basically powerless to do anything about it because of their rigid adherence to ideology.

When they created that alliance, they basically became the “with us or against us” party.

It’s laughable now to hear Republicans even talk about serious change because it’s the very thing they have set themselves up against.

By Joey

November 6, 2008 2:33 PM | Link to this

The Republican screw up was that they forgot that “fiscal conserative” has a meaning. When you are elected as a fiscal conserative you should govern as a fiscal conserative. Voting with the Christian Right on abortion while spending like a Democrat does not meet the standard.

Then when you double down with a presidential nominee who is the sweetheart of Democrats and the MSM ——- well, then a lot of people discover that they don’t have time to go to the polls and vote for you.

Jay, you are partially correct, Republicans have ignored several wake-up calls from their erstwhile constituents. The last one before this being in 2006.

By RealityKing

November 6, 2008 2:35 PM | Link to this

In a center-right country, how incompetent do the Republicans have to be to lose more than a dozen Senate seats and more than 50 House seats to the liberal Democrats in the last two election cycles?

Using your gauge…, as incompetent as the Clinton’s in 94.

By BDAtlanta

November 6, 2008 2:39 PM | Link to this

Maybe they will finally let Bush see those intelligence reports today, too?

By RB from Gwinnett

November 6, 2008 2:43 PM | Link to this

Jay, is this article what Obama means by “coming together”? Writing hit pieces on R’s 3-4 times a day? Same cast of characters writing conservative bashing posts 18 hrs/day?

Question:

Why would anybody be inclined to “come together” with this crowd?

Think about it….

By citizen

November 6, 2008 2:44 PM | Link to this

Jay, The electorate swings to whichever side is not in the Whitehouse. The youth of today who voted Obama will be the workers of the future and connect taxes and Congress.

By E

November 6, 2008 2:45 PM | Link to this

Just give the GOP the proper weapons…and let them thin their own herd!

By Paul

November 6, 2008 2:49 PM | Link to this

About two-thirds of voters said the economy was their overriding concern.

People vote their pocketbooks. The results aren’t about center-right, center-left, up, down, or sideways.

Economic self-interest trumps ideology.

By AF

November 6, 2008 2:49 PM | Link to this

I wonder what Karl Rove et al would decide are the issues that are included in the “Center Right”. More importantly, I am cynical about the ability of the Republicans, as a party, to embrace and support a change in their policies that would move them toward the center.

So, any Republican out there who believes there is a “Center Right”, pick an issue and please tell me how you would modify your current position to move it to the “center.” Make a statement of position which is in the middle. Or, explain to me how that position is already in the middle.

I know it doesn’t help to carry the conversation forward, but … Talking about “center right” is a smoke screen. It is a way of appearing that compromise is possible.

By Bosch

November 6, 2008 2:50 PM | Link to this

The GOP failed due to Dubya’s lack of reasoning and understanding of the American people.

He surrounded himself with “yes” men and women who would never dare to go against him, and those who thought that the country was theirs to rule, not govern. As Republicans, they assume that they are the elite leaders who are chosen by God to rule the “little” people. The ones who are beneath them.

In other words, they assumed we were all stupid and wouldn’t dare ask questions. How dare you question the monarchy? If so, you are labeled as unpatriotic, a traitor to the country - sound familiar?

I think Bush is getting a cold hard dose of reality, and that he is actually the little man here.

I hope he goes back to Crawford, crawls under a bush and we never have to hear from that traitorous retard again.

By Doggone/GA

November 6, 2008 2:52 PM | Link to this

“It�s laughable now to hear Republicans even talk about serious change because it�s the very thing they have set themselves up against”

No kidding. Everytime I heard McCain quoted as saying he was going to “change Washington” I wanted to ask him: What have you been doing for the last 26 years? And why should we expect YOU to CHANGE now?

By Midori

November 6, 2008 2:54 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

re your 2;40, check this out

P-SHAW!!! :)

By AF

November 6, 2008 2:54 PM | Link to this

I wonder what Karl Rove et al would decide are the issues that are included in the “Center Right”. More importantly, I am cynical about the ability of the Republicans, as a party, to embrace and support a change in their policies that would move them toward the center.

So, any Republican out there who believes there is a “Center Right”, pick an issue and please tell me how you would modify your current position to move it to the “center.” Make a statement of position which is in the middle. Or, explain to me how that position is already in the middle.

I know it doesn’t help to carry the conversation forward, but … Talking about “center right” is a smoke screen. It is a way of appearing that compromise is possible.

By Truthman

November 6, 2008 2:55 PM | Link to this

ARTHUR BLANK COMMENTS ABOUT OBAMA’S ELECTION:

From today’s AJC:

Falcons owner Arthur Blank

Blank supported Barack Obama and said he spent time with him in Chicago last year.

�We�ve been impressed with him, both personally and in terms of his campaign,� Blank said. �The generational change that I think it will be for America � to see the turnout that we had particularly amongst the young folks, amongst the African-American community and amongst the Hispanics community, I think was very important and bodes well the future of our country. I think that his election will send a powerful message around the world that America has the ability again to think about things differently and not be so committed to the past and be open to change and the future.�

Gosh, a wealthy Jew supporting Obama. I guess that means Obama is:

— Not Muslim

— Not Anti-Semitic

— Able to appeal to a wide variety of people.

It also means Mr. Blank is:

— Thinking past his own wallet

— Believes the country needs a serious azimuth check.

Thank you, Arthur Blank. No wonder the Falcon’s karma is so good this year!

By "The Corporal"

November 6, 2008 2:57 PM | Link to this

Ecclesiastes 10:2

The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.

Now, all of you liberals calm down while I explain. I have sent this before and although in the original Hebrew it uses the words for right and left it is obviously not meant to be political in nature (although God does know the future)………….. gotch ya …….. :o)

By getalife

November 6, 2008 3:01 PM | Link to this

Time to dump Lieberman to establish loyalty.

By Midori

November 6, 2008 3:02 PM | Link to this

I see the “corporal” is still speaking int tongues.

By Paul

November 6, 2008 3:02 PM | Link to this

Chris Matthews on “Morning Joe” on MSNBC

“”I want to do everything I can to make this thing work, this new presidency work…. that’s my job… my job is to help this country…”

Dang, I love this independent, objective, nonbiased press!

Link: Chris Matthews understands his job

By "The Corporal"

November 6, 2008 3:06 PM | Link to this

P.S.

If you think we are self-destructing that much by going farther and farther to the right (i.e., the infamous Christian Right) with our agendas on limited government, pro-life, gay marriage, strong defense, support of Israel, 2nd Amendment, taxes, etc., etc. wouldn’t it be wise to just let us do so?

Or ………. is there something you fear? Like maybe a massive rebound - especially if catalyzed by certain economic, foreign, scientific or terrorist events ?

By Taxpayer

November 6, 2008 3:07 PM | Link to this

According to the Book of Corporal, In the beginning there were Democrats and Republicans.

By Bosch

November 6, 2008 3:10 PM | Link to this

Midori!

ROFLMFAO!!!!! Oh that is priceless. Nobody wants Dubya’s memoir. Hell, I could write those right now.

Ages 0-18 pampered little mama’s boy.

18-40 Drunk fraternity coke head - got married had two daughters with woman stupid enough to marry him.

40 + got saved, quit drinking, tried his hand at business, failed miserably.

52 - present - President of the United States, ruined greatest country on earth.

60+ - crawls under a series of bushes on ranch in Crawford Texas never to be heard of again.

Details? Who cares about the details. We need to heal.

By RB from Gwinnett

November 6, 2008 3:15 PM | Link to this

Jay, looks like your “new rules” went out the window with the “come together” thing. Oh well, at least it lasted for an hour or two.

You won, libs. Lighten up. Enjoy the moment. You have complete control now. Do your thing and don’t screw it up.

BUT PLEASE STOP WHINING!!

By Bosch

November 6, 2008 3:21 PM | Link to this

RB’s telling us to stop whining.

Bwa!

By Mrs. Godzilla

November 6, 2008 3:21 PM | Link to this

Ladies and Gentlemen…..

What can we do to help Jim Martin in the Run off?

While the GOP keeps hitting the snooze button we can make a difference and elect Jim Martin on Dec 2,

By RB from Gwinnett

November 6, 2008 3:22 PM | Link to this

By Bosch 3:10 PM

“We need to heal”

Bosch, to place that comment at the end of the posts you’ve made today speaks VOLUMES about your character.

By Soixante huitard

November 6, 2008 3:23 PM | Link to this

You know, sometimes when a psychotic has an extremely severe psychotic episode, they’re never the same. Instead of getting over it, they never really recover but instead just sort of make do with their delusion states as best they can until they die.

Like the German judge and legal scholar in the 19th C Daniel Paul Schreber who despite being an extremely accomplished man with a very high-ranking position in the legal system, suddenly woke up one day and became convinced that he was destined to become the wife of God. Though he did manage to return to being minimally functional after being institutionalized, he still spent hours in front of his mirror primping and preparing for his ‘wedding night’ with God.

Something similar may have happened to conversatives with the traumas they’ve suffered this year (some real, some delusional). So I wouldn’t be surprised to see them remain mired in their delusions and to continue to say really really strange things about the world, even when those things are demonstrably untrue.

By Bosch

November 6, 2008 3:24 PM | Link to this

RB,

And your posts in general speaks volumes about my character.

Stop whining.

By Midori

November 6, 2008 3:24 PM | Link to this

LOL, Bosch!!

I’m nominating you for a Pulitzer!! :)

By Bosch

November 6, 2008 3:25 PM | Link to this

RB,

Um, meant to say your character - not mine.

Goof there.

But, anyway, stop whining.

By Paul

November 6, 2008 3:27 PM | Link to this

Bosch

Do we have to stop dhining, too?

By Bosch

November 6, 2008 3:28 PM | Link to this

Thanks Midori,

And in my acceptance speech I’ll make sure to send out a special terrorist fist bump to ya’

LOL! I’m almost giddy thinking about Dubya leaving soon. Giddy I say.

By Midori

November 6, 2008 3:29 PM | Link to this

Zell Miller was RIGHT!!

sort of

By Bosch

November 6, 2008 3:32 PM | Link to this

Paul@3:27,

Huh? I’m giddy, man, my brain’s not working right now.

You better watch out, I’m an unsavory kind of character, ya’ know.

:-)

By Paul

November 6, 2008 3:34 PM | Link to this

Bosch

You told people to stop whining.

So I asked if we also have to stop dhining.

You know, whining and dhining.

(wining and dining)…

oh heck, ask Midori…

By Bosch

November 6, 2008 3:38 PM | Link to this

Midori,

Zell Miller is kind of a tragic soul. He was such a good guy, and then all of a sudden he turned into a rabid monkey. Almost quite literally. Everytime I think of him now, instead of the good things he did for this State, all I can think of is him challenging Chris Matthews to a duel, and that guy on SNL doing the impression of him screaming like a banshee looking like he’s going to have a stroke.

It hurts my soul.

But, to some degree Miller was right, like I said the other day, the Dems had alot of soul searching to do, and they’ve seemed to have done it and moved along. The Republicans are next to follow suit.

By Bosch

November 6, 2008 3:39 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Good one! Okay, I get it now.

Ha ha, ha ha ha, ha ha ha ha ha.

By "The Corporal"

November 6, 2008 3:39 PM | Link to this

To Soixante huitard @ 3:23pm

“At that time many will turn away from the faith and ……….Because of the increase of wickedness, the hearts of most will grow cold.”

“For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.”

By Midori

November 6, 2008 3:41 PM | Link to this

i’m sending a special car for RB, Corporal, etc.

By Soixante huitard

November 6, 2008 3:43 PM | Link to this

Bill Kristol alert, from A. Sullivan:

The man most responsible for the Palin fiasco is now fighting for his career:

By Bosch

November 6, 2008 3:43 PM | Link to this

Corporal @ 3:39,

And after that, is that when the lakes become fire and the seas freeze and all the birds fall from the sky, and the kittens and puppies fall into pits of large ants and are devoured?

By Dusty

November 6, 2008 3:47 PM | Link to this

Do, Paul, take bosch out for dhining so he can stop whining. Or throw him a bone or something. He’s pitiful.

By Dusty

November 6, 2008 3:50 PM | Link to this

Ohh Paul,

bosch finally gets it!! Wonders never cease.

I think I will talk about my sweet potato pie again. At least, it is sweet and spicy.

By Midori

November 6, 2008 3:51 PM | Link to this

I hear ya, Bosch - watching Zell lose his bloody mind was not a pretty sight.

By Bosch

November 6, 2008 3:52 PM | Link to this

Dusty! No offense, but you are kind of like a “de” bone.

So, are you going to throw in your support for the next President of the United States: Barrack Obama?

Huh? Now, you wouldn’t want to be all unpatriotic and disrespect the office?

Huh?

By Bosch

November 6, 2008 3:54 PM | Link to this

Oh crap, I mis-spelled Obama’s first name, make that: Barack Obama.

Hell, and I haven’t even been drinking or nothing.

By Soixante huitard

November 6, 2008 3:55 PM | Link to this

Corporal, are you speaking in parables now? :-)

Help me along, now. Don’t leave me in the cold here.

By "The Corporal"

November 6, 2008 3:56 PM | Link to this

To Bosch

God is not mocked ………..

By Paul

November 6, 2008 3:56 PM | Link to this

Dusty

[[At least, it is sweet and spicy.]]

Just like you?

:-)

Bosch

Pres-elect Obama loves pie. Particularly sweet potato pie. I’ve a feeling he and Dusty will get along famously!

By Pay Back Is A....

November 6, 2008 3:59 PM | Link to this

67% of the Latino vote! WOW!! Watch how fast comprehensive immigration reform passes now! The chickens are finally coming home to roost aren’t they? From now on you bigots, nativists, and racists better watch out who you choose to pick on. LMAO!!

By Zach

November 6, 2008 4:01 PM | Link to this

The Neo-Con Slogan:

He thrusts his fist against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.

By Dusty

November 6, 2008 4:01 PM | Link to this

dear bosch,

You are a bit behind. I have already posted my thoughts about Obama. His intent seems to be good. He called for unity which is more than his followers can do or say. I will support his good moves by all means.

You have exemplified exactly what he wants to leave behind but you carry on. Can’t break the hate habit, huh? Obama may be a fine president but I have my doubt about the “fineness” of his fellow Democrats, libs or whatever you call yourself.

By Bosch

November 6, 2008 4:02 PM | Link to this

Paul,

I hate sweet potato pie - worse than carrot raisin salad. Those would be the only two food choices for me if there is a hell.

And Eddie Money would be playing over the loudspeaker for all eternity.

By Bosch

November 6, 2008 4:04 PM | Link to this

Corporal,

I was mocking you, not God, do you think you’re God now?

By Dusty

November 6, 2008 4:05 PM | Link to this

Dear Paul.

There is always hope for sweet and spicy. I don’t know. May have too much crust!! (At least, several libs insist on calling me “crusty”’

Might as well say it again: A rose by any other name would smell as sweet.

By RealityKing

November 6, 2008 4:06 PM | Link to this

Dow ends way down again, closing 442 points lower, for a two-day total loss of 928 points.

Welcome to the neo-liberal revolution. Change you can believe in..

By Dusty

November 6, 2008 4:10 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Re: bosch & sweet potato pie..

He aint got no “taste”!!

By Bosch

November 6, 2008 4:10 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

I don’t hate anyone. I loathe a few people, like George W. Bush, but you’re right, he’ll be gone back to Crawford soon, and this national nightmare will all be over.

Does anybody other than me have the song “Ding Dong the Witch is Dead” in their heads right now? Maybe it’s because I just finished reading “Wicked.” And ya’ know, interestingly enough, according to that book, the Wicked Witch of the West wasn’t wicked after all. Maybe I can learn something from that.

By AJC/DNC Management

November 6, 2008 4:12 PM | Link to this

In a center-right country, how badly did the Republicans have to screw up to lose the presidency to a black alleged socialist-Marxist named Barack Hussein Obama? Maybe he�s not a socialist, or maybe the country isn�t center-right.

Check this out, kookman feverishly whined and moaned for 7 and half years about Republicans every single solitary day and now he is wondering if it was that bad?

Really?

What was all the foam about?

By Bosch

November 6, 2008 4:13 PM | Link to this

Sweet potato pie is disgusting.

By Midori

November 6, 2008 4:14 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

I completely agree with you about sweet potato pie (phoofey), buy ya gotta stop dissin Eddie Money and carrot-raisin salad :)

By Paul

November 6, 2008 4:15 PM | Link to this

Crusty Dusty? Spicy and (let’s see… what’s a word that rhymes with dusty? Hmm, J…. K…..L…. yes!)

Bosch

Raisins are funny things. In some dishes it’s spit’em out time, in others it’s chuck the dish, in others it makes it.

I have a piccadillo recipe, calls for raisins, nice counterpoint to the capers, but the darn things dry out. So I soak’em in sherry. You’d like that!

NEW THREAD, JAY!!!!

By Bosch

November 6, 2008 4:17 PM | Link to this

Okay Midori, I’m sorry.

Dusty,

Do you, by any chance, make lemon pie? Now, THAT’S some good eatin’ right there!

RE: sweet potato pie - I can’t eat anything that looks like cat vomit. It’s just a weird hang up I have.

By Michael H. Smith

November 6, 2008 4:18 PM | Link to this

Ah the Republicans: The party of Teddy Roosevelt can win again, the party of hard right Neo-Con anti-middle class George Bush will never win.

Shoot the Elephant and adopt the Moose.

By Dusty

November 6, 2008 4:22 PM | Link to this

bosch,

Don’t fool yourself. You hate Bush. That is why you are harping on him, calling him “names’, even as he is leaving office.

In fact, you are so brain washed you cannot even see that he has kept the country safe and sound.

If Congress had not fought him for two years on financial limitations, there might have been no mortgage fiasco and the following decline. Don’t start talking about “loathing”. It is all the same and you are full of it.

By RealityKing

November 6, 2008 4:23 PM | Link to this

Thats funny Bosch.., except that I’m hearing “We’re off to see the wizard”.

And I can’t get those dubious visions of Nancy(scarecrow with no brain), Harry(cowardly lion) and Barney Frank(Tinman with no heart), skipping down the yellow brick road after their delusional dreams of neo-liberalism courtesy the wizard of Oz(Obama).

By Paul

November 6, 2008 4:24 PM | Link to this

Bosch and Dusty

Music bridges the great divide, again

Link: Dusty and Bosch’s song

One of these days I gotta talk to those Israelis and Palestinians…

By Soixante huitard

November 6, 2008 4:24 PM | Link to this

Obama’s supporters little more than an insufferable, annoying ‘army of mindless pawns’.

By Bosch

November 6, 2008 4:24 PM | Link to this

Paul,

I prefer rum for my raisin soaking liquid. You know, for rum raisin sauce.

By Mrs. Godzilla

November 6, 2008 4:27 PM | Link to this

Now as to sweet potato pie…..I had just been tolerating it since Mr. G loves it and his mama brings it often.

Then a miracle!

Evelyn’s recipe.

No pumpkin pie kinda’ spice…..very smooth - like a chess pie… and a small cows’ worth of butter.

Holy cow it’s good.

I am ashamed to say I will finish it off tonight.

No matter how cute and forlorn he looks - Joe is not getting a bite.

By Bosch

November 6, 2008 4:29 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

Oh, whatever, do you make lemon pie?

Paul,

I love James Taylor! And I love Dusty too! See it worked!

But, I still hate sweet potato pie.

By Dusty

November 6, 2008 4:31 PM | Link to this

bosch,

My cat is insulted. She said that lemon pie looks like something a dog with….. leaves by the fire hydrant when he raises his leg in salute.

Nevermind, child. You will reach adulthood one of these days. In the meantime, Paul will adopt you and teach you the finer points of life (or the better recipes).

By Bosch

November 6, 2008 4:32 PM | Link to this

Reality King,

Well, where’s Dorothy and Toto? You wingnuts always ruin a good story. Sigh.

By Paul

November 6, 2008 4:32 PM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla

One time my son asked “hey dad, know why food in upper-level restaurants tastes so good?”

I went through a couple of guesses. He said “each plate averages a stick of butter.”

the secret to your new recipe…

By AmVet

November 6, 2008 4:36 PM | Link to this

Is “center-right” the new replacement term for “conservative”.

LOL!

If nothing else the far right sure was great at coming up with slogans, banners and sound-bites.

Shallow as the Platte River, they are.

It is truly hard to give any credibility to these rabid Republican prognosticators when they have been so damned wrong about practically everything for eight plus years.

They’re going to get lots of practice being scared little bunny rabbits now, I suppose.

Mission Accomplished…

By Amelia

November 6, 2008 4:43 PM | Link to this

I believe the country is still center-right. If the Republicans would answer that phone they would hear, “fallout from the bailout baby, fallout from the bailout!” The American people have spoken and it’s time for the Republican party to go to their room and think about what they have done. While they’re sitting around scratching their heads and trying to make Sarah the scapegoat, they need to take a long, hard look in the mirror. The American people are not as stupid as they think we are.

By RealityKing

November 6, 2008 4:45 PM | Link to this

Dorothy and Toto..? Well obviously thats the Clintons! And one thing is for sure.., they’re still clicking those heels together trying to get back to Kansas(the primaries)..

By Dusty

November 6, 2008 4:47 PM | Link to this

Hey Paul,

That James Taylor was good!! I like him anyway. Never heard that sweet potato pie number before.

(Shh don’t tell. The only reason I made sweet potato pie was because I bought sweet potatoes on SALE. I should have used a recipe. Burrp! Call me Mrs. Frugality! The crust was nothing to write home about either. Chewy! But Clark Howard would appreciate my efforts even if it took us several days to get rid of it.)

By "The Corporal"

November 6, 2008 4:51 PM | Link to this

To Bosch

I pray it was just me and not God for He knows the heart.

Proverbs 21:2

“Every way of a man is right in his own eyes, but God ponders the heart”.

By Mrs. Godzilla

November 6, 2008 4:53 PM | Link to this

Ah Paul, yes indeed!

Real Butter!

And real cream.

If I take the time to make shortcake or pie or cobbler….it must have real whipped cream.

Frozen whipped topping is a tool of Satan.

By Paul

November 6, 2008 4:54 PM | Link to this

Bosch - Dusty

[[I love James Taylor! And I love Dusty too! See it worked!]]

Off to the Israelis and Palestinians -

Peace!

By Bosch

November 6, 2008 4:54 PM | Link to this

Ha Ha Dusty,

Even I, Bosch, make home made pie crusts that ROCKS!!! Super flaky, every time! It’s all in the way you roll it out! You probably wouldn’t understand.

Soccer awaits! Later gators!

By Greg Gribble

November 6, 2008 4:58 PM | Link to this

I think the Republicans are less introspective than most. Human nature is for each person to see his/her own outlook as “normal,” and therefore the majority view. That’s at play here, surely, in that statement by Rove.

By Paul

November 6, 2008 4:59 PM | Link to this

Dusty 4:47

In which case, the crust is simply a holder from which to scrape out the fillling.

AmVet

I always figured it was (from the center, moving right)

Center Center - right Conservative
ReallyconservativeFamilyValues Amalgamation farfarright and neocons

and in the other direction

Center Center-left Liberal Farleft farfarleft lalaland-uberleft

By Swami Dave

November 6, 2008 5:03 PM | Link to this

AF:

I’ll be happy to present two positions that are already “center”-to-“center-right”.

1) Energy: The American economy is founded upon the availability of energy in its multitude of forms to support both our lifestyle and financial system. We have those needs in both the short-term and longer-term. The rational position is to continue building our resources of energy (based on current technologies as well as future ones). Assumptions that we will somehow conserve and / or research ourselves out of the current period of scarcity & influence by rogues that do not share our national interests is as asinine as one who would state that we can “drill our way out”. The rational solution is to act on all options & not limit any of them.

2) Taxes: Facing economic challenges, it is historically proven that increasing taxes on any group (whether we like them or not; whether we can demonize them or not) is an abject course to disaster. This is especially the case when we recognize the vast majority of employment for those not within that group (we’ll call them the “top 5%”) is provided by them. It is likewise a completely American and “centrist” concept that the basis of our society is supporting the opportunity of all Americans to achieve to their greatest potential. Schemes that steal earnings from one group to fund transfer payments to others does not really even qualify as a “center-left” ideal; it is a goal of the left and simply another example of the historically disproven & perpetually-failed marxist philosophies that do not promote opportunity & achievement, but simply spread misery.

Frankly, AF, had the Republicans nominated a candidate that could have effectively presented these extremely basic ideas to the American people, their results would have been much different.

Instead, they took the mandate that they were delivered in the 1990s & again early within President Bush’s administration and expanded the government, exacerbated deficit spending on domestic programs, joined the game of “earmarking”, and failed in their duty to enact reasoned financial / ethical standards of oversight for themselves and our other public and private leaders. Effectively, they decided to act as if their job was to simply get re-elected instead of representing the people who elected them.

Personally, I look at this as an opportunity. I enjoy being on the mountaintop as much as anyone, but I recognize that lessons usually have to be learned in the valley. That is just a simple fact of life.

-Swami Dave

By Amelia

November 6, 2008 5:03 PM | Link to this

Oh yes, before someone is quick to remind me, I know Obama voted for the bailout but he has promised to help the working class, unlike the Republican party which has turned a deaf ear to those who need it most. They say they can’t help them out, that would be socialism, but they can help out the greedy robber barons that caused this mess because we not only tolerate corruption, we embrace it. It amazes me how many wealthy tycoons comment on this blog.

If it makes the Republicans feel any better I voted for Bob Barr and Allen Buckley. I even voted for Lynn Westmoreland (R) because he voted against the bailout. And no, the Libertarians didn’t “steal” my vote. I wouldn’t have voted for McCain or Saxby anyway. I would have been like many Georgians and stayed home.

By @@

November 6, 2008 5:06 PM | Link to this

Not so fast jay. You’d have to look at the outcome on some of the state ballot initiatives before declaring this a win for left of center. Their successes would indicate we’re still right of center. Traditional voices were heard. We were asleep when The Jane Syndicate out of Hyde Park, Chicago pushed abortion upon us through a right to privacy play.

Quite a few of the newly elected democrats are more conservative than they are liberal….just like the influx of blue dogs in 2006. They ran on a fiscally conservative platform (anti-war) with a penchant for gun rights. Unless your newly elected Redistributor of Wealth-in-Chief proves me wrong (which I hope he will, but don’t hold out much) — his four-year attempt to reign will be the last this country EVER sees of the radical left. If he goes right, it will simply be to secure a second term for HIMSELF. That, however, will require that he sacrifice all those to whom he’s made promises. He may have escaped the boxes he put himself in during the campaign — the one he’s in now will send him right back from whence he came with postage paid.

I celebrate the opportunity he’s taken, and been given…..to bring about that very special delivery.

By Greg Mendel

November 6, 2008 5:23 PM | Link to this

I’m not far left of center — except in food. You can have your sweet potato pie and raisin-anything. I prefer anarchist food. Creme Brulee (make it myself) with some Chateauneuf du Papes.

And Freedom Fries, of course.

By Paul

November 6, 2008 5:26 PM | Link to this

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Dr. Larry Sabato, director of the UVA Center for Politics and Robert Kent Gooch Professor of Politics at U.Va. called the election (again) to the nth degree. Says the upcoming fight will be not so much between Pres-elect Obama and the farleft of Pelosi-Reid but between Pelosi-Reid and the Blue Dogs.

Seems even Democrats have differing ideas of what “mandate” means.

BTW - BOR linked to the Stratfor Analysis of Pres Obama’s foreign policy challenges.

Link: Obama’s Challenge

By Greg Mendel

November 6, 2008 5:31 PM | Link to this

“Soccer awaits! Later gators!”

Communist football!!!!

By @@

November 6, 2008 5:50 PM | Link to this

Paul:

I read that Stratfor analysis. Like I said……BOXED IN!!!

He needs the war funds to keep his promises. The natives <——(no racial connotation intended) will grow impatient if he opts to stay the course.

Did you see the video where a woman at an OBlahMa rally was celebrating the fact that she would not have to put gas in her car or pay off her mortgage if he was elected? Has he misled many of his supporters, or what? $500 a year will boost her buying power by $1.37 a day.

That video struck me as sad.

Your post reminded me……it’s off to Stratfor for anything interesting which I WILL deliver if found.

By Paul

November 6, 2008 6:47 PM | Link to this

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I did see that video. As it was ‘clipped’ I thought “I wonder what came before.”

It’s entirely possible she meant “I am so happy Obama will be president. He will do something about these $4 a gallon gas prices and I won’t have to worry about it. I was afraid I would lose my house, but he just said my lender will have to work with me and I can get a fair contract and afford my mortgage.”

I’d like to think that’s what was intended. A mom, two little kids - things are tough on a lot of families. Some people were paying an hour’s wages each day just for gas. I have a friend who said, in effect, “eight bucks a day? No big deal.” I said “put it in perspective with what you make. Bob, as of now, you’re paying $12,000 a year for gas.”

He got the message.

By TN Gelding

November 6, 2008 8:17 PM | Link to this

Paul

November 6, 2008 6:47 PM

I think you’re right about what she meant.

At least that’s the way I saw it.

Looks like gas is going below $2 a gallon. But she might not be able to afford that if her employer is like any of the ones around here that are firing people out of spite.

By hold onto your wallet

November 6, 2008 8:44 PM | Link to this

Hello people, can we just all manage to get along and stop with the bashing and name calling. I am over the W trashing and the Republican bashing.

Being the President of the USA is a huge responsibility that most of us can’t even imagine, much less actually do. It’s easy to be the Monday morning quarter back and the “naysayer” but a whole different thing to actually have the job.

How about instead of finding fault with those who’ve gone before, recognize that yes, they’ve made mistakes and mistakes will be made by the new administration, let’s act like the United States of America.

Let’s try to help the new President lead us to a new and better day. Bush is not a bad man, he loves this country and its people. President-elect Obama is not a bad man, he loves his country, but he will also make mistakes. Let history, not us who are caught in the moment judge them.

By Keeping It Real

November 6, 2008 8:53 PM | Link to this

If there is anyone who can bring all the different factions and positions together for resolution and concensus, it is Barack Obama. If you note, he has continously said that it is the people and not him that will prevail. He will surround himself with people in his cabinet, including some republicans who know how to get things done. Our economic problems demand it. President Obama is the personification of a good leader and is just what this country needs.

By Keeping It Real

November 6, 2008 8:54 PM | Link to this

If there is anyone who can bring all the different factions and positions together for resolution and concensus, it is Barack Obama. If you note, he has continously said that it is the people and not him that will prevail. He will surround himself with people in his cabinet, including some republicans who know how to get things done. Our economic problems demand it. President Obama is the personification of a good leader and is just what this country needs.

By Balack Obama

November 6, 2008 8:56 PM | Link to this

Took the Dems 14 years before they were able to answer their wakeup call, so what’s your point? BTW, wakeup call Jay, Georgia went for McCain and the country is still terribly divided. Lastly, the condescending garbage you post here perpetuates that division. Congratulations.

By Outhoused

November 6, 2008 9:20 PM | Link to this

Obama won, now we will have an Obamanation…

By Algonquin J. Calhoun

November 6, 2008 9:20 PM | Link to this

How badly did they screw up? Well, a screw-up is a mistake. The Republican party didn’t make any mistakes. What they did is not that innocuous. They had one scandal after another. Some were a result of greed and several involved, same, sexaual proclivity. They manufactured evidence to justify a war and then acted upon the flimsy evidence which proved to be completely false. They authorized the indiscriminate killing of civilians and the torture of those unlucky enough to be ‘detained.’ Many of the prisoners were killed during interrorgation. They trampled the Constitution and spied upon Americans in their own country. They lied straight-faced to us and told us ridiculous yarns when the truth would have suited better. They did all they could do to impress upon us that if we saw things differently we weren’t “real Americans.” They said Obama wasn’t a “real” American. They called him a radical, a Muslim, a terrorist and a Marxist. The one thing they didn’t publicly call him is what they meant with all the other code words. Anyone can make a mistake. People always do. What the Republicans did was arrogant criminality. War crimes have been committed and they’ve been purposeful and planned. They didn’t just happen. As an American who served in the USMC in Vietnam in 1969-70, I’m disgusted by the stain that has been placed upon all of us who’ve served this country with honor and integrity. The illegal and immoral war in Iraq, for which there is no satisfactory justification, must be stopped now! Osama bin Laden, if he really exists, must be found and killed. The Republicans who have bankrupted this nation, financially, ethically and morally, must not just be turned out. They must face justice! No mistake about that!

By Balack Obama

November 6, 2008 9:29 PM | Link to this

I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t disappointed that McCain lost, but Obama is our next president, and I do plan on supporting him. We’re in a mess right now, created by Congress, and we all need to support him to the best of our abilities.

I don’t know about everyone else posting here, but I’m tired of all the blue state, red state BS created by the media to further divide us. And please don’t go there because one side is just as bad as the other at slinging insults.

By Country Mouse

November 6, 2008 9:49 PM | Link to this

Jay,

Your people won. So just enjoy the view for the time being, until they screw up so badly that you will wish they had lost, and in the meantime put your hate back on the shelf and write about something important. You and your fanatics are the most mean spirited folks I have ever come across, and I have met some mean ones.

By Smell the baloney

November 6, 2008 11:51 PM | Link to this

The Republicans lost it beginning with the Gingrich playbook. They have acted as if the appearance of a thing was more important than the reality. This is why, for example, Rumsfeld refused to let the generals planning the Iraq invasion to make plans for an occupation. Agreeing that there would actually be an occupation didn’t send the “right” message. And within days of the fall of Baghdad, looting was rampant, the murders and ethnic cleansings began, and the armories had been emptied. In case after case, the refusal of the Republicans to put image over reality has turned and bitten them, and it’s biting the rest of us.

@Country Mouse: You should look again. The Republicans have lost what they had in this election because they ran the vilest, most lying, evil, race-baiting campaign I’ve seen since the ‘50’s. They appealed to the basest instincts and bigotries available. Obama’s campaign was not pure, by any means, but McCain/Palin was vicious and utterly dishonest about their opponent. Liddy Dole’s “Godless” stunt was utterly shameful. Repeated Republican attempts across the country to disenfranchise voters and to try to fool them into not voting on election day hark back to the vilest excesses of machine politics. “You and your fanatics”, and you’re talking about someone else mean-spirited. Yeah, right.

By Smell the baloney

November 6, 2008 11:52 PM | Link to this

The Republicans lost it beginning with the Gingrich playbook. They have acted as if the appearance of a thing was more important than the reality. This is why, for example, Rumsfeld refused to let the generals planning the Iraq invasion to make plans for an occupation. Agreeing that there would actually be an occupation didn’t send the “right” message. And within days of the fall of Baghdad, looting was rampant, the murders and ethnic cleansings began, and the armories had been emptied. In case after case, the refusal of the Republicans to put reality over image has turned and bitten them, and it’s biting the rest of us.

@Country Mouse: You should look again. The Republicans have lost what they had in this election because they ran the vilest, most lying, evil, race-baiting campaign I’ve seen since the ‘50’s. They appealed to the basest instincts and bigotries available. Obama’s campaign was not pure, by any means, but McCain/Palin was vicious and utterly dishonest about their opponent. Liddy Dole’s “Godless” stunt was utterly shameful. Repeated Republican attempts across the country to disenfranchise voters and to try to fool them into not voting on election day hark back to the vilest excesses of machine politics. “You and your fanatics”, and you’re talking about someone else mean-spirited. Yeah, right.

By zeke

November 7, 2008 6:09 AM | Link to this

THE SOCIALIST MEDIA BLITZ AGAINST OUR LEGALLY ELECTED PRESIDENT FOR THE LAST 8 YEARS! A CONSTANT MEDIA BEATING INTO THE HEADS OF READERS AND LISTENERS IS COMPLICIT IN THE ELECTION OF RIDICULOUS LIBERALS LIKE PELOSI, REID, SHUMER, DODD AND YES OBAMA! THE MEDIA HAS LOST IT’S SOUL! IT NO LONGER DOES IT’S JOB OF SIMPLY REPORTING THE NEWS! INSTED THE MEDIA TRIES TO INFLUENCE EVERYTHING BY GIVING OPINION ON EVERYTHING AND PUTTING IT FORWARD AS THE NEWS! TIME TO REVISIT THAT PORTION OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT!

By Say What?

November 7, 2008 6:50 AM | Link to this

Christians worship Christ. Evangelists worship Christianity.

Conservatives worship conservatism. Wingnuts worship Republicanism.

By Gerald West

November 7, 2008 7:04 AM | Link to this

I have a radical idea! Let’s take another step as worthy as electing an intelligent and inspirational President! Let’s stop all this dumb “liberal-conservative” banter. The terms may once have been useful, but now are just derogatory.

The Republican administration of the last eight years has proved to be the most reckless taxer, borrower, spender, and squanderer in the history of the human race. It has also extravagantly mismanaged our defense and foreign affairs. Our military forces are overstretched and scattered willy-nilly around the world. The Iraq and Afghan wars have been going on longer than World War II, yet the end is still not in sight. What’s “conservative” about that?

By contrast, the preceding eight years, under Democrat administration, were the most prosperous in the history of our nation. The size of government was reduced, the welfare-to-work program was effective, a major war in the former Yugoslavia was fought and won without a single American casualty, and the federal budget went from deep deficit to burgeoning surplus. What�s �liberal� about that?

The Republican Party and Democrat coalition both support socialist programs such as Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, health care for veterans and children, job training, unemployment compensation, etc. The US is as �socialistic� as the advanced European countries, but our social programs are badly managed and shamefully ineffective in comparison.

So, what�s conservative and what�s liberal? Is a Republican politician who squanders public money a �conservative�? Is a Democrat politician who balances the federal budget and wins necessary wars a �liberal�?

Looks like we just have Republicans and Democrats, not conservatives or liberals!

By MAC

November 7, 2008 7:20 AM | Link to this

Congress has lower ratings than Bush. It’s a shame voters didn’t hold them accountable as they did in voting for change with Obama and re-elected most of them.