And the winner is..... | Jay Bookman

By "The Corporal"

November 6, 2008 4:42 PM | Link to this

Jay

Yes, I can imagine and you leave the worst out.

If it had happened that way the nation would have been in turmoil, probable riots, civil unrest, etc., etc. as the unwashed masses out there would have been in a feeding frenzy on Republicans stealing the election.

You see how bad some folks got just because their “get out the vote” checks were delayed a few days. “I want my money!”

Can you imagine going through the above scenario you described?

By TN Gelding

November 6, 2008 4:56 PM | Link to this

Close but no cigar.

The story of my life. I thought Nader and Barr would get a few more votes.

With the scenario leading up to the election there would have been good reason to suspect the Republicans of stealing another one.

By TN Gelding

November 6, 2008 5:07 PM | Link to this

Headline: Longer-term jobless benefits hit 25-year high

And who was president then?

By Joey

November 6, 2008 5:17 PM | Link to this

The real winner is the Dow.

Jay: I guess in your euphoria over President-elect Obama, you did not notice that 925 point dip that occured since close on Tuesday.

Obama = Confidence. Right.

By AJC/DNC Management

November 6, 2008 5:19 PM | Link to this

I may have guessed the election results wrong but I didn’t miss with my Oblahma election prediction:

STOCKS CONTINUE POST-ELECTION PLUNGE

Buh bye prosperity.

By @@

November 6, 2008 5:22 PM | Link to this

Here’s lookin’ at your little dangler, jay.

By AmVet

November 6, 2008 5:29 PM | Link to this

�Center-right� - the new and improved replacement term for �conservative�!

LOL!

If nothing else the far right sure was great at coming up with slogans, banners and sound-bites.

Shallow as the Platte River, they are.

It is truly hard for most of America to give ANY credibility to these rabid neo-con prognosticators and BushCo apologists when they have been so damned wrong about practically everything for eight plus years.

Pick a topic? Wall Street bailouts, bungled invasions/occupations, global warming. The list is sadly, very long.

The good news?

They�re going to get lots of practice being scared little bunny rabbits now.

With no say.

As it should be.

Pray for rain…

By Luis

November 6, 2008 5:36 PM | Link to this

I am a banker and an economist and to think that the Market is influenced by the election of one man instead of another is purely ignorant and preposterous. Those of us that have been around a long time know that the market is going to go up. You see something that happens every year at this time is the constant sell of stocks in order to take a loss for tax purposes….and this year everyone is looking to report losses. I myself have done it and within a week will be buying the back. Big deal. So the next time you want to blame the market fluctuations on someone…just remember it is us who invest that are responsible for it…not an elected official…that is thought only inspired by the simple minded.

By Paul

November 6, 2008 5:44 PM | Link to this

Jay

You may want to have somebody from Treasury examine that dollar before you try to pass it…

And you really should read that Stratfor analysis (link at 5:26, previous thread) regarding what Pres-elect Obama faces. Welcome to the minefield.

And looking on the bright side, with margins like this in the election, even if there were voter fraud, it’s irrelevant to the outcome.

By TW

November 6, 2008 5:46 PM | Link to this

Thank you, Luis. Also, let’s not forget that those with the silly market remarks are also the ones who said Palin would rule, McCain had closed the gap, WMD in Iraq, etc. etc.

Perhaps the GOP could begin its search for itself by looking up the word ‘credibility’ in the Webster.

By AJC/DNC Management

November 6, 2008 5:46 PM | Link to this

Who’s blaming the plunging stock market on “someone?”

I’m blaming it on the coming socialism.

With luck, we’ll have another dot.com bubble you can brag on, huh?

By GOP is gone

November 6, 2008 5:47 PM | Link to this

Amen Luis

By Doctor Do Little

November 6, 2008 5:51 PM | Link to this

I sense that there are still many pent up emotions yet to be released. Release them but slowly so as not to cause irreparable damage.

By AJC/DNC Management

November 6, 2008 5:56 PM | Link to this

Anybody else notice the massive increase in vehicle traffic since Sicko Tuesday, are these people blowing their loads riding around in circles thinking that it doesn’t matter since Oblahma is gonna make them rich?

And how can this possibly be good for the environment? Have we found broken election promise #1? Will all this extra carbon emissions whip up a few hurricanes in the gulf and take out NO or Galveston again? Do you pinko liberals have no concern for your fellow citizens?

I thought this Oblahma was supposed to bring all sweetness and light here?

By Ray

November 6, 2008 6:03 PM | Link to this

Obama’s not even in office yet and he’s already driving down the gas prices! And how about Iran? Eight years and Bush couldn’t lay a hand on ‘em, made it worse actually, and in less that three days after the election Obama has ‘em on their knees!

The USA is Back!!!!!!

By AJC/DNC Management

November 6, 2008 6:07 PM | Link to this

By Paul November 6, 2008 3:02 PM Chris Matthews on �Morning Joe� on MSNBC ��I want to do everything I can to make this thing work, this new presidency work�. that�s my job� my job is to help this country��

Paul: I do believe that Matthews is quite insane.

What ever will they do when Oblahma turns out to be an inexperienced single term Senator who always voted present, will they round up all of his critics and stick them in a big as-s oven?

One has to wonder.

~~~~~

By Pay Back Is A…. November 6, 2008 3:59 PM 67% of the Latino vote! WOW!! Watch how fast comprehensive immigration reform passes now! The chickens are finally coming home to roost aren�t they? From now on you bigots, nativists, and racists better watch out who you choose to pick on. LMAO!!

GFY (good for you) Pedro, maybe as you swim back across the Rio Grande next year you’ll figure out that it ain’t the government that provides jobs in America.

Here’s to hoping your relatives didn’t blow all of our money that you sent them.

By getalife

November 6, 2008 6:16 PM | Link to this

Cox is cheap and did not offer a reward like other blogs so I declined to work for free.

You should frame that dollar and put in your office so Jim will see it forever or until he retires.

By getalife

November 6, 2008 6:25 PM | Link to this

As far as the right whining about the Dow,

Daddy Bush left a recession too at 3300.

Stop your whining, it is another bush recession.

By Taxpayer

November 6, 2008 6:27 PM | Link to this

I agree with getalife, Jay. You could have at least offered a free copy of the print edition to the winner.

By @@

November 6, 2008 6:45 PM | Link to this

Ahmadenijad loves those words that matter.

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Nov. 6 congratulated U.S. President-elect Barack Obama on winning the election, IRNA reported. Ahmadinejad told Obama he hopes the newly elected leader can “make the most of the chance of service and leave a good name by preferring people’s real interests and justice to the insatiable demands of a selfish and indecent minority.”

What say you President (who electrifies Ahmadenijad) OBlahMa?

Oops! Never mind………you already said it and he was listening.

He wants OBlahMa to lift the sanctions.

By RW-(the original)

November 6, 2008 6:47 PM | Link to this

Congrats Allman.

It’s certainly heartening to see the Bush administration setting up such a professional transition. Obama will be well served by not getting the Clinton treatment Bush got.

Too bad I missed the Sarah bashing today. It’s remarkable that Jay and his dittoheads will blindly take the word of staffers that refuse to allow their names to be used just because the staffers trash fits Jay’s template.

By Joey

November 6, 2008 6:52 PM | Link to this

Louis (Banker and economist 5:36): So every year at this time the Dow drops 1000 points or so because you and other “non-ignorant” bankers and economist “sell off their stocks at this time in order to take a loss for tax purposes.”

Are you sure, Louis? Because when your statement is read the second or third time it begins to become clear who is ignorant and preposterous.

By Taxpayer

November 6, 2008 6:54 PM | Link to this

Well, you can catch up on anything that you may have missed over at that fair and balanced station, RW.

By AJC/DNC Management

November 6, 2008 6:57 PM | Link to this

RW: Staffers from a losing campaign that are seeking to deflect blame from themselves, no less.

By Taxpayer

November 6, 2008 7:01 PM | Link to this

Then again, maybe the economy has something to do with the stock market decline this year. Just a hunch.

By AJC/DNC Management

November 6, 2008 7:09 PM | Link to this

Taxpayer: I thought that the election of Oblahma was going to bring “hope” and “change.”

Shouldn’t the traders on Wall Street be giddy with glee?

Maybe they missed the memo, huh?

By TN Gelding

November 6, 2008 7:10 PM | Link to this

* AJC/DNC Management*

November 6, 2008 5:19 PM

The rest of the story; for real Americans.

This is still Bush’s economy and you know it. Show a little class and give the guy a chance.

That said, I’m betting on a huge rally tomorrow if he names a treasury secretary by then that has the confidence of Wall Street and Main Street.

By RW-(the original)

November 6, 2008 7:17 PM | Link to this

Taxpayer,

As AJC/DNC-M alludes to, the failures that staffed McCain’s campaign have to deflect blame to try to keep themselves employable. They know Sarah’Cuda, should she grace us with a future run, will never surround herself with losers like that.

They just hope that they have a job in Lindsey Graham’s 2012 campaign where their ways will get waxed again. Maybe those McCain staffers are really on Obama’s payroll.

By TN Gelding

November 6, 2008 7:17 PM | Link to this

AJC/DNC Management

November 6, 2008 7:09 PM

You can’t handle the truth!

Same story, written a little differently.

We’ll take responsibility this time next year. It’s going to take a while to get back on track.

By AJC/DNC Management

November 6, 2008 7:18 PM | Link to this

Horsey: It’s no coincidence that the day that Klinton conceded to Oblahma the Dow Industrial average was 13,000.

By RW-(the original)

November 6, 2008 7:25 PM | Link to this

And so it begins….

Why does the government need to collect e-mails and addresses from citizens in order to share their stories with the President-Elect? What purpose does the OPE have for this information? Are they hoping to build a list to sell to political allies, or perhaps just to telemarketers to help pay off the deficit? Since this is hosted as a government site, I think they need to explain what official use they will make of this information

Why the h e double hockey sticks is this a dot GOV site?

By TN Gelding

November 6, 2008 7:29 PM | Link to this

AJC/DNC Management

November 6, 2008 7:18 PM

The Dow has been in decline for over a year.

And you know why.

Voodoo economics! Fuzzy math and risky schemes! Ownership (on credit) society!And that little misadventure into Iraq hasn’t helped either.

By Midori

November 6, 2008 7:32 PM | Link to this

Joey,

you may have a tad more credibility, and appear less, um, er, “ignorant” if you got Luis’ name right.

Andy - you get more ridiculous by the day.

wait — scratch that. by the minute.

Are we to believe that Obama has this magic wand, and without even taking office, can wave it and make everything all hunkie dorie ?

Are we really to believe that?

Now wonder your party lost.

You become more irrelevant with each outrageous post. You don’t do rational or reality well.

By RW-(the original)

November 6, 2008 7:33 PM | Link to this

A fair and balanced look at an Obama rally.

It seems they want him to make a change to the flag.

By AJC/DNC Management

November 6, 2008 7:36 PM | Link to this

Yes, Horsey, but it didn’t drop like a bomb until Oblahma was selected.

When his election became inevitable, the bottom fell out.

So much for “hope.”

By Taxpayer

November 6, 2008 7:36 PM | Link to this

Oh No, Andy. The giddiness and gleeful expressions cannot commence in their full splendor until that joyous day in January when our reigning Bush finally and completely relinquishes his death grip on our throats, wallets, and other items of value. Until then, a proper determination of the full extent of the devastation that he has wrought on we the people cannot even begin. Of course, that’s not to say that there is no room for a modicum of jubilation. It simply means that such expressions of joy do not extend to the poor souls who have lost everything to the greed and corruption of the financially predisposed ones on Wall Street who once thought themselves invincible. All is not lost though, even for them. For what goes down will stop going down once it reaches bottom — unless the floor weakens and fails. Then, well, it may be time to kiss your buttocks goodbye for the end of times might as well be upon us since none of us will likely have experienced anything so heart wrenching and devastating and we will surely lack the ability to differentiate between the end of time and the coming of a global depression. Anyway, I do hope that helps to clear things up.

By TN Gelding

November 6, 2008 7:37 PM | Link to this

Man without a publisher.

By Midori

November 6, 2008 7:39 PM | Link to this

RW,

a fair and balanced look at your party’s lies about outgoing Clinton aides trashing the White House

The truth doesn’t mean a whole lot to you folks. I suppose you will still be repeating that lie on your death bed.

From the link:

During the White House transition in January, one story proved irresistible to many conservative pundits: Departing Clinton staffers had gone on a wild rampage and “trashed” or “vandalized” the White House, even looting Air Force One. Allegations of the Clinton aides’ reckless destruction of public property swept through the media. For some, the story symbolized the difference between a morally compromised Clinton presidency and a more dignified, honorable Bush administration.

An official government investigation, however, reveals one major problem with these stories: They apparently never happened. According to statements from the General Services Administration that were reported on May 17, little if anything out of the ordinary occurred during the transition, and “the condition of the real property was consistent with what we would expect to encounter when tenants vacate office space after an extended occupancy.”

Ironically, the investigation came in response to a request from Rep. Bob Barr (R.-Ga.), and many conservatives who had assumed that the wild rumors would be confirmed by an official inquiry. That wasn’t the case. (The “looting” of Air Force One had also been denied months ago by officials at Andrews Air Force base — Kansas City Star, 2/9/01).

Leading the cry against the trashing of the White House was the Fox News Channel. Virtually every major Fox personality reported it as fact, often expressing their own personal outrage. Guests on the channel chimed in, condemning the Clintons and their staffers.

By AJC/DNC Management

November 6, 2008 7:45 PM | Link to this

By Taxpayer November 6, 2008 7:36 PM Oh No, Andy. The giddiness and gleeful expressions cannot commence in their full splendor until that joyous day in January when our reigning Bush finally and completely relinquishes his death grip on our throats, wallets, and other items of value.

Oh, of course not, Taxpayer, stupid American investors would never think ahead and prepare for the future, why, they react to confiscatory tax increases months after they happen.

Yes, indeed.

By @@

November 6, 2008 7:51 PM | Link to this

I remember when ol’ two-marbles Gore held up the transition with his famous outrage to RECOUNT HIS MARBLES, DAMMIT!

Bush was delayed in his appointments to cabinet positions.

By TN Gelding

November 6, 2008 7:53 PM | Link to this

AJC/DNC Management

November 6, 2008 7:36 PM

When it drops below the 52 week low we can discuss it further.

Until then stop throwing out unrelated events that are truly coincidences. Of course the markets don’t like uncertainty. That’s why I expect an announcement early tomorrow on the treasury secretary.

By "The Corporal"

November 6, 2008 7:55 PM | Link to this

Playing armchair quarterback is real easy …. and then you have to get in the game. Time for Obama to put down the beer and pretzels and suit up.

CNN: “With low approval ratings and criticism for his handling of the Iraq war, Hurricane Katrina and the economy, the word most used to label George W. Bush’s presidency will be “incompetent,” some historians say. But a Harvard University political history scholar says that when Barack Obama takes over, people may start to view Bush in a new light. full story

By AJC/DNC Management

November 6, 2008 7:56 PM | Link to this

The Republican National Committee spent about $150,000 on clothing, hair styling, makeup and other “campaign accessories” in September for the McCain campaign after Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin joined the ticket as his running mate.-PMSNBC

18-inch AAA 11.0 to 13.0mm Round Multicolor South Sea and Tahitian Pearl Necklace- Pelosi Collection our price $10,550.

Hehehe.

By AJC/DNC Management

November 6, 2008 7:58 PM | Link to this

I cannot help to smile when I hear that former vice president candidate Sarah Palin thought Africa was a country. With a fair chance that this is just a rumor, started by Palin’s opponents, I am still not surprised that there exist people that have no clue about the world around them.

The day before the Democratic National Convention Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) went on Meet the Press and told Tom Brokaw: I�m, I�m, I�m investing in something I believe in. I believe in natural gas as a clean, cheap alternative to fossil fuels.

By ByteMe

November 6, 2008 8:02 PM | Link to this

I wanna recount!

I was hoping Jay would hold it for a few more days until all those votes were counted. Supposedly about three million votes still to be counted, the bulk being in the west coast states that went for Obama. Might have raised the total enough to make my prediction the winner.

Ah well, with nothing as a prize other than notariety, I can go back to just being snarky now.

By AJC/DNC Management

November 6, 2008 8:02 PM | Link to this

Horsey: The party is over, dude.

It matters not which undertaker you libs decide upon.

By RW-(the original)

November 6, 2008 8:05 PM | Link to this

Midori,

Whatever was or wasn’t found in the condition of the White House and Executive office building is kind of immaterial to a transition process. Perhaps instead of freaking out you should pay attention to what you’re responding to.

By Taxpayer

November 6, 2008 8:06 PM | Link to this

By the way Andy, most times that I see your comments regarding “cause and effect”, I cannot help but be reminded of that classic “study” of airline passengers and the subsequent discovery that planes experienced turbulence while in flight every time passengers buckled their seat belts. Honestly, don’t you find that to be simply uncanny. You would think that the airlines would have learned their lesson by now and simply removed those darned seat belts.

By TN Gelding

November 6, 2008 8:10 PM | Link to this

AJC/DNC Management

November 6, 2008 7:45 PM

A measly 10% surtax is confiscatory

Surely you jest. And it might not even happen. See above for what we do know.

@@

November 6, 2008 7:51 PM

You or I would still be kicking on the door to the Supreme Court.

Gore handled it very well. Can you imagine the agony he must have gone through and probably still experiences at times?

By Soixante huitard

November 6, 2008 8:12 PM | Link to this

Wanna killer post-mortem on the McCain campaign?

DOUGLAS SCHOEN has it nailed in today’s Washington Post

McCain’s biggest mistake was not going with his instincts and picking Joe Lieberman as his running mate. This would have allowed McCain to run a campaign based on bipartisanship and results-oriented policies — what was best for the American people — and not one geared toward the GOP’s right wing. The Republican brand would have been significantly reduced as a factor, if not eliminated, had the McCain-Lieberman team rebranded their ticket as a bipartisan national movement for reconciliation, revitalization and leadership.

Even the convention-floor fight such a choice might have sparked would have benefited McCain enormously, validating his independence and centrism and making clear that he would not kowtow to anyone or any special interest.

By Mr Snarky

November 6, 2008 8:16 PM | Link to this

Way to go NC! Jesse Helms must be turning in his grave and that, as we know, is a good thing.

By RW-(the original)

November 6, 2008 8:19 PM | Link to this

By Soixante huitard

Had McCain picked Liebs the total turnout would have been about 20 million over whatever Obama ends up with.

The electoral college prediction battle would have a twenty five way tie over here at 538-0.

By getalife

November 6, 2008 8:22 PM | Link to this

“RedState is pleased to announce it is engaging in a special project: Operation Leper.

We’re tracking down all the people from the McCain campaign now whispering smears against Governor Palin to Carl Cameron and others. Michelle Malkin has the details.

We intend to constantly remind the base about these people, monitor who they are working for, and, when 2012 rolls around, see which candidates hire them. Naturally then, you’ll see us go to war against those candidates.

It is our expressed intention to make these few people political lepers.”

LOL. Ya’ll be nice to Sarah, wink, wink, you lepers, you betcha.

By TN Gelding

November 6, 2008 8:25 PM | Link to this

AJC/DNC Management

November 6, 2008 7:56 PM

That $150k has been revised upward.

And “real man” Todd spent $20 on himself.

But that is all irrelevant.

Pelosi is wealthy and can “invest” what she wants to buy jewelry, and we all stay stupid things.

By Midori

November 6, 2008 8:29 PM | Link to this

[THIS is the **FUTURE]http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/8334/n1517010014657704287vx6.jpg)

Racists need not apply.

By Mr Snarky

November 6, 2008 8:39 PM | Link to this

Ah yes…the stock market is falling…must be Obama’s fault. You guys are pretty pathetic. We’re losing jobs, profits are down, but you only see one thing. What do you think has been going on for the past two months?

By Midori

November 6, 2008 8:40 PM | Link to this

well, I really screwed that up!!

let’s try this again

By Soixante huitard

November 6, 2008 8:47 PM | Link to this

Way to go NC!

So here’s my question: how did NC end up stealing the glory from GA in being the first deep, deep south state to go blue?

I mean, we have Atlanta. How’d they do it, I wonder.

By AJC/DNC Management

November 6, 2008 8:54 PM | Link to this

Aahhh, yes, the worm turns.

Now that the shoe is on the other foot the goony liberals are aghast that anyone would dare to complain about their president, thee lovely barak oblahma.

Get used to it.

Hurricanes, governmental idiocy, al Qaeda civilian victims, you name it, you own it.

Man, am I gonna have fun.

By Soixante huitard

November 6, 2008 8:55 PM | Link to this

Did someone say ‘hurricane’?

By Soixante huitard

November 6, 2008 9:06 PM | Link to this

A package just arrived:

“Joe Lieberman sleeps with the fishes.”

By Mr Snarky

November 6, 2008 9:07 PM | Link to this

Man, am I gonna have fun. Glad to give you the opportunity. May your fun never end.

By AmVet

November 6, 2008 9:09 PM | Link to this

Good read:

Historians: Bush presidency ‘battered,’ ‘incompetent,’ ‘unlucky’

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/06/bush.legacy/index.html

Also from votevets.org:

Well, it was a long campaign season, and there was a lot of work to be done. I wanted to first thank you for everything you have given us and our endorsed candidates. I�m very excited to report to you that all the work has paid off, and we�ll be sending a new crop of veterans to Congress, to join those we currently have there. Here�s the rundown of our victories just last night:

John Boccieri won in Ohio with 54 percent of the vote

Gary Peters won in Michigan with 52 percent of the vote

Eric Massa won in New York with 51 percent of the vote

and Walt Minnick won in Idaho with 51 percent of the vote

They will join our current endorsed Congressmen � Patrick Murphy, Joe Sestak, Tim Walz, and Chris Carney.

Our endorsed candidate � veteran Jim Martin � will be in one tough battle to replace Senator Saxby Chambliss, who won his seat by smearing one of America�s greatest heroes, Max Cleland. Jim Martin will need all the help we can give to win this runoff.

By TN Gelding

November 6, 2008 9:10 PM | Link to this

Soixante huitard

November 6, 2008 8:12 PM

I’ve wondered if he considered Hillary.

Especially after the good things she and Bill said about him early in the primary campaigns.

By Soixante huitard

November 6, 2008 9:21 PM | Link to this

I don’t know, Gelding (I�ve wondered if he considered Hillary). Knowing McCain, he would have probably considered Jenna Jameson if he’d thought it would gin up some excitement and be ‘out of the box’. So I would guess, yeah he did.

But what I want to know is how the heck did this Palin decision ever get the green light? I mean, I know there was no real vetting - that’s painfully clear. But what about vettting the vetter, the candidate himself? Where was his advice.

Of course it’s ultimately the candidate’s decision and responsibility. But part of that is having a good team to keep you from stepping off the precipice. His team failed him.

By "The Corporal"

November 6, 2008 9:21 PM | Link to this

“We cannot afford to be idle, and though weaker than our opponents ….. we must endeavor to harass, if we cannot destroy them.”

Robert E. Lee

The battle will continue

By RW-(the original)

November 6, 2008 9:25 PM | Link to this

WASHINGTON�African-American man Barack Obama, 47, was given the least-desirable job in the entire country Tuesday when he was elected president of the United States of America. In his new high-stress, low-reward position, Obama will be charged with such tasks as completely overhauling the nation’s broken-down economy, repairing the crumbling infrastructure, and generally having to please more than 300 million Americans and cater to their every whim on a daily basis. As part of his duties, the black man will have to spend four to eight years cleaning up the messes other people left behind. The job comes with such intense scrutiny and so certain a guarantee of failure that only one other person even bothered applying for it. Said scholar and activist Mark L. Denton, “It just goes to show you that, in this country, a black man still can’t catch a break

By Taxpayer

November 6, 2008 9:36 PM | Link to this

Fight on, Corporal.

By AJC/DNC Management

November 6, 2008 9:38 PM | Link to this

I can do better than that-

Yes, I know there are probably other African-Americans much better qualified and prepared for the presidency. Much, much better qualified. Hundreds, easily, if not thousands, and without any troubling ties to radical lunatics and Chicago mobsters. Gary Coleman comes to mind. But let’s not let that distract us from the fact that Mr. Obama’s election represents a profound, positive milestone in our country’s struggle to overcome its long legacy of racial divisions and bigotry. It reminds us of how far we’ve come, and it’s something everyone in our nation should celebrate in whatever little time we now have left.

By "The Corporal"

November 6, 2008 9:44 PM | Link to this

WASHINGTON (CNN) — Pentagon officials have begun preparing for the first transfer of power during war since Vietnam. They insist that the complicated transfer from the Bush administration to the Obama administration will go smoothly.

“We’re in a struggle against violent extremists determined to attack us, and they would like nothing more than to exploit this period of change to harm the American people,” President Bush said.

“For the next 75 days, all of us must ensure that the next president and his team can hit the ground running.”

Personal note: It was always quite amusing to see liberal staff personnel (who so despise the military) have to deal with them. Watching these dweebs forced now to interact with career military officers so much their betters (physically, professionally and educationally) was a hoot I’ll never forget!

By RW-(the original)

November 6, 2008 9:48 PM | Link to this

[Refreshments at the Obama party]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUo0_uTGRuE)

By Soixante huitard

November 6, 2008 9:51 PM | Link to this

It was always quite amusing to see liberal staff personnel (who so despise the military)

Do you think most liberal people despise the military?

Really?

That’s not my experience at all. But it may be limited.

By RW-(the original)

November 6, 2008 9:52 PM | Link to this

Refreshments at the Obama party

What a shame that it takes ten minutes to have a busted link show up.

By Taxpayer

November 6, 2008 9:55 PM | Link to this

And yet, we note to whom the Yer Sirs are addressed, eh Corporal. You do recall the chain of command, don’t you.

By "The Corporal"

November 6, 2008 9:57 PM | Link to this

To Soixante huitard

You come from a military family. That’s the only reason you feel as you do.

The great majority of iberals despise authority period whether it’s law enforcement, the military or in my opinion the Constitution. That’s why activist judges interpret the Constitution based on their ideology. They don’t respect it.

By TN Gelding

November 6, 2008 10:03 PM | Link to this

AJC/DNC Management

November 6, 2008 8:54 PM

You’re going to have a miserable 8 years.

One word: competency.

Bush threw out the baby with the bath water by relegating FEMA to second fiddle. He never understood that being president is hard work, not photo ops.

By "The Corporal"

November 6, 2008 10:19 PM | Link to this

To Taxpayer

The President is the Commander in Chief and is thus at the top of the chain of command - he gets a yes, sir.

The contemptable liberal staff are not in the chain of command abut military personnel are usually polite to them out of military courtesy and amusement.

The Vice President of course get a yes sir be he is NOT in the direct chain of command (although he is a member of the National Security Council).

President of the U.S. Secretary of Defense Secretaries of the Military Departments Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Service Chiefs

Anymore questions oh ye who would not make a pimple on a Marines a**?

By "The Corporal"

November 6, 2008 10:32 PM | Link to this

P.S. To Taxpayer

Also, be aware that military officers take the following oath:

“I, [name], do solemnly swear, (or affirm,) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. (So help me God.)”

Note that final, ultimate allegiance is to the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic and not the President. As everyone in the military is taught you obey all orders except an illegal one.

Should the President of the United States ever issue an illegal order, military personnel are not bound to obey it but instead owe their allegiance to the Constitution.

Personal note: I spent six months in initial training in the Marines and was taught to obey orders without question. However, after all of that, the last thing a colonel said to all of us just before we shipped over to V.N. was “there may come a time when you choose to disobey an illegal order and that if you do, you had better be right because you will have to live with that decision”. I was faced with such an order one time involving a human life but fortunately it worked out o.k. To this day I am not sure what I would have done.

By Soixante huitard

November 6, 2008 10:33 PM | Link to this

The President is the Commander in Chief and is thus at the top of the chain of command - he gets a yes, sir.

The contemptable liberal staff are not in the chain of command abut military personnel are usually polite to them out of military courtesy and amusement.

I think I like your ‘parable’ posts better, Corporal. :-)

By Dale Gribble's GOP

November 6, 2008 10:39 PM | Link to this

Management, I am a proud Republican and your hateful rhetoric is disgusting to me.

I am not alone.

If you take a step back and use your noodle you’ll see that you are hurting the cause. Please get a new hobby—unless you’re actually a liberal tool.

Respectfully, DG

By "The Corporal"

November 6, 2008 10:39 PM | Link to this

To Soixante huitard

I’m sorry the truth hurts. I worked with all the staffs from President Ford to the current President.

The democrat staffs during that twenty seven year period were (with a few individual exceptions) very contemptable of the military. It’s just a fact. As the old adage goes, kept by better men than themselves.

By Soixante huitard

November 6, 2008 10:43 PM | Link to this

The great majority of iberals despise authority period whether it�s law enforcement, the military or in my opinion the Constitution. That�s why activist judges interpret the Constitution based on their ideology. They don�t respect it.

Well I’m sure my father would have agreed with a lot of that. But he grew up in the Navy - went in when he was 18, not long after Pearl Harbor. I haven’t had that experience of course, not having been in the service myself. But I did see it through his eyes. I also have a half-brother who was in AF during Vietnam.

But I don’t know. It depends on how you define liberal. If you mean people who vote Democrat - well there are plenty of hawks who do that. But if you mean liberal the war-protesters, pacifists, etc., you’ve got a point.

By "The Corporal"

November 6, 2008 10:45 PM | Link to this

To Soixante huitard

Finally, here is a bedtime parable for you to contemplate. It’s why an Obama presidency so concerns me …..

“As nations cannot be rewarded or punished in the next world, so they must be in this. By an inevitable chain of causes and effects, Providence punishes national sins by national calamities.”

George Mason (Father of the Bill of Rights) - speaking at the Constitutional Convention

By Soixante huitard

November 6, 2008 10:51 PM | Link to this

kept by better men than themselves

It’s definitely something to contemplate, across history and in our own time.

By TN Gelding

November 6, 2008 10:52 PM | Link to this

I guess that explains the last 8 years.

By "The Corporal"

November 6, 2008 10:57 PM | Link to this

To Soixante huitard

Of course you are correct. We’re not talking every Democrat. Many have served honorably, or have family members who do, etc. I’m talking in general terms: liberal vs. conservative.

By Soixante huitard

November 6, 2008 11:14 PM | Link to this

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