Jay Bookman

By PinkoNeoConLibertarian

November 5, 2008 1:20 PM | Link to this

One more reason I love caller ID. I can screen those calls!

By TW

November 5, 2008 1:20 PM | Link to this

These votes signal the end of the right’s culture war every bit as much as the voters who sent the trash talking Sarah Palin home last night.

By BDAtlanta

November 5, 2008 1:22 PM | Link to this

I’ll drink to that. Don’t legislate what I can decide for myself.

No one likes abortion but sometimes it’s necessary.

By RealityKing

November 5, 2008 1:22 PM | Link to this

1 million babies aborted in the US this year alone, mostly by young scared teenagers.

Sorry.., but no matter what you label it, I just can’t support that.

By ByteMe

November 5, 2008 1:25 PM | Link to this

All comes back to message. Republicans stand for small government that fits in your bedroom. And that’s not something REAL Americans want. Real fascists want it, but not freedom-loving true-blue Americans with a Capital A.

But they’ll keep trying.

Remember McCain with his air-quotes around “Health of the mother” in the last debate? That says everything about the Republican Party’s stance on these things and it disgusts the rest of us who understand that no one wants to get pregnant and have an abortion, but sometimes bad things happen and you have to make the best choices available to you.

By JB

November 5, 2008 1:29 PM | Link to this

Palin Once Greeted McCain Staff Wearing Only A Towel

I guess personal privacy doesn’t mean that much to her.

(http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/05/palin-once-greeted-mccainn141394.html)

By gadem

November 5, 2008 1:29 PM | Link to this

well America has been calling, but they will not pick up the freaking phone… on another note, here is a good article for andi(girl) to read

By Copyleft

November 5, 2008 1:29 PM | Link to this

As long as the Republicans keep trying to suck up those religious-right votes, they’ll keep losing.

The culture wars are over, and America won. The Christian fascists lost. Let them go off and form their own irrelevant party somewhere, so the small-government Republicans can get back to sane conservatism.

By Bosch

November 5, 2008 1:31 PM | Link to this

Should have waited a bit for this thread - I just posted this downstairs:

By Bosch

November 5, 2008 1:22 PM | Link to this

I was talking to a friend of mine a while ago (who, btw, is a pretty hard core Republican dude) - and we both agreed:

Until the GOP gets off the abortion and gay marriage thing, the party is going to continue on it’s downward spiral until it totally does not exist anymore.

You lunatic fringe moral police have got to go form your own frakking party and leave the rest of the 90% of thinking people in this country alone.

By hillbilly ragger

November 5, 2008 1:33 PM | Link to this

See, RealityKing, it’s stuff like your side claiming that these are “babies” being aborted that keeps folks on my side from ever taking you seriously.

They’re not “babies,” for crying out loud.

By AJC/DNC Management

November 5, 2008 1:41 PM | Link to this

The American people are trying to send the Republican Party a message: Stay out of our personal lives. But the phone keeps on ringing and ringing and ringing, blah, blah, blah

By Bosch November 5, 2008 1:22 PM Until the GOP gets off the abortion and gay marriage thing, the party is going to continue on it’s downward spiral until it totally does not exist anymore.

Uh-huh:

LOS ANGELES (AP) - In an election otherwise full of liberal triumphs, the gay rights movement suffered a stunning defeat as California voters approved a ban on same-sex marriages that overrides a recent court decision legalizing them.

In freaking KKKalifornia, no less.

By Prince's Hot Chicken Shack

November 5, 2008 1:42 PM | Link to this

On a bus ride in high school, Jean (who was hot by the way), was telling me about how she was against abortion. She showed me a picture of a very early term fetus and said, “See, isn’t that a baby?” Said I, “It looks like a shrimp.”

Anyhow, my opinion has always been that whatever decision someone wants to make about an abortion is none of my, or Pleasant Valley Baptist Church’s business.

By Paul

November 5, 2008 1:43 PM | Link to this

Jay -

You, too, Bosch

[[The American people are trying to send the Republican Party a message: Stay out of our personal lives. But the phone keeps on ringing and ringing and ringing….]]

Oh, really? California went for Obama, smashingly so.

They also voted to ban same-sex marriages.

So much for the “stay out of our personal lives” message.

:-)

By Peggy Davis

November 5, 2008 1:46 PM | Link to this

I was glad to read the instances quoted by Jay Bookman of Americans voting to protect their privacy. It makes no sense to condemn government bureaucracy, as do many conservatives, yet seek governmental intrusion into personal moral issues.

By Goldie

November 5, 2008 1:50 PM | Link to this

Yep, the Repug Party is a freakin’ mess today. I agree with Bosch and his friend — that 10% loony wing with their “moral values” needs to form a new Party and let the real conservatives have the Repug Party back. I even suggest the new Party can call themselves “The 10% Club” and work on growing that to about 11% throughout this century…

By Peggy Davis

November 5, 2008 1:51 PM | Link to this

I was relieved to read the instances quoted by Jay Bookman of Americans voting to protect their privacy. It makes no sense to condemn government bureaucracy, as do many conservatives, yet seek governmental intrusion into personal moral issues.

By RealityKing

November 5, 2008 1:53 PM | Link to this

Wow! Talk about pre-emptive strikes.

Newsflash: After years of dubiously seeking skilled IT professionals from our dumbed down colleges…, my company has now ordered a hiring freeze. It seems that an Obama win has signaled the accountants to begin calculating the negative affects his tax hikes will have on, 3/4 of the small businesses with 20 or more employees, and us.

Layoffs were not taken off the table. But of course, obviously, Obama supporters will be the first to go down in the new order, as it should be…

By Peggy Davis

November 5, 2008 1:53 PM | Link to this

I was relieved to read the instances quoted by Jay Bookman of Americans voting to protect their privacy. It makes no sense to condemn government bureaucracy, as do many conservatives, yet seek governmental intrusion into personal moral issues.

By Paul

November 5, 2008 1:54 PM | Link to this

Peggy Davis

So the 52 percent of California’s voters who voted to ban same-sex marriage are conservatives? The same conservatives who voted overwhelmingly for Obama?

By Danny

November 5, 2008 2:06 PM | Link to this

I am an extremist when it comes to abortion. I think that there are not enough abortions performed. I am not yet ready to make abortion manditory in certain conditions, but I believe that will be necessary in the future.

I have not voted for a Democrat candidate for president since the first Carter vote. Hey, he was a fellow Georgian. Reagan, Bush, Dole, Bush and McCain all got my vote.

The candidate’s position on abortion is a p**-poor reason to vote for or against him or her.

By DD

November 5, 2008 2:11 PM | Link to this

You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.

You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.

You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.

You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down.

You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.

You cannot build character and courage by taking away men’s initiative and independence.

You cannot help men permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves.

By RealityKing

November 5, 2008 2:12 PM | Link to this

DOW -343.28-3.57%

The Obama effect on capitalism. Change you can believe in…

By tcoach

November 5, 2008 2:20 PM | Link to this

Government has no right to tell you what to do with your own body. But the government does have a responsibility to make sure what you do to your body does not harm others i.e. drinking and driving.

Then I would suppose the correct debate would be at what point does life begin. Does life begin at conception or birth or is it somewhere in the middle? Does it begin at a set time, or is it a round about timeframe.

Once a set determined timeframe for life’s begining has been established then it would be a requirment to not allow abortions of those past the view of life.

By AJC/DNC Management

November 5, 2008 2:21 PM | Link to this

By RealityKing November 5, 2008 1:53 PM Layoffs were not taken off the table. But of course, obviously, Obama supporters will be the first to go down in the new order, as it should be….

Hey check this out, how many rich people do you think spent last night thinking of how they could cut costs to make up for the looming tax increases?

And how many do you think said to themselves *you know, I don’t really need Jose the yard boy anymore.”

Jose the yard boy who voted for Oblahma.

And even further, the rich, after having decided to get rid of Jose, figured they’ll just have that no account, Nintendo playing college boy of theirs mow the freaking yard, if he wants to keep his bills paid, that is.

The same no account, Nintendo playing college boy who voted for Oblahma.

Karma.

By ByteMe

November 5, 2008 2:21 PM | Link to this

RealityKing: I feel for your worries about your company, but you’re looking for causality where none exists. Michael Crichton also died today. You think that was caused by Obama’s win as well?

Sometimes relationships don’t exist between consecutive events, contrary to our innate desire to find a reason for bad things that happen to us.

My IT company is turning away work, because we’re so busy and don’t want to expand further at this time. Has nothing to do with Obama and more to do with a credit crunch that is biting many companies in the tush and making us worry that if we need short-term cash to cover payroll while we wait for invoices to get paid that the cash won’t be available from the banks who aren’t lending to anyone right now.

By Mrs. Godzilla

November 5, 2008 2:27 PM | Link to this

Reality King

here’s a big plate of steamy reality just for you….

The market started UP today…then they released the jobs report showing an increase of 79% in layoffs…..

It’s way past time conservatives take reponsibility for wrecking the US economy.

But no, they don’t really do personal responsibility they just talk about it for everybody else.

By Paul

November 5, 2008 2:32 PM | Link to this

DD 2:11

[[You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.]]

Sure you can. If you give the poor the rich’s money!

[[You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.]]

Just give’em the strong’s weapons.

[[You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.]]

But if the nonthrifty give it to the nonprosperous…

[[You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down.]]

Okay, you can’t ‘lift’ him, but if you pull the wage payer down, and the wage earner climbs on top of him, he’s still ‘up.’

[[You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.]]

Of course you can. If they don’t have any class, then hate them and get rid of the classless, which means brotherhood is furthered, ‘cause then we don’t have any different weirdos.

[[You cannot build character and courage by taking away men’s initiative and independence.]]

But if people have initiative and independence, they won’t have the courage to go along with the crowd and the character to let others lead.

You cannot help men permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves.

Then what’s the @!!$# purpose of getting married?!!?

By "The Corporal"

November 5, 2008 2:35 PM | Link to this

Being on the right side of moral issues has never been the popular position:

Matt. 7:13

“Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.

The lives of the unborn and the elderly are precious in God’s sight. I’d rather be the last person on earth right before God than to follow the multitudes.

By ByteMe

November 5, 2008 2:37 PM | Link to this

Andy, I’m sure there are a lot of “semi-rich”+ people worrying about the coming tax increase, but likely because they really don’t grasp the details.

Once you see the real details of the proposal, they’ll find that they’re not so worried.

The proposal that will be put forth (as explained on Obama’s site): raise the top tier tax from 36% to 39% for married couples making over $250K and singles making over $200K.

What that means is that for every $1000 a married couple makes over $250K, they will pay $30 more in taxes. All income tax rates are tiers. The money below a tier is taxed at the rate of the lower tier. It’s only the income that falls into the tier that is taxed at the higher rate. $30 for every $1000. Below that, it’s the same 36% rate that’s been there for a while (down to the next tier where rates will drop more).

+NOTE: I exclude the really rich, because they do understand it, since they’re more involved in their tax and financial structuring than most people.

Let go of your wingnut fear-mongering.

By Copyleft

November 5, 2008 2:39 PM | Link to this

Andy, King:

So, since you can’t win at the polls, you now propose exacting financial and employment “revenge” on the people who helped make America better? How very mature.

And how utterly pointless, since it won’t help you one bit in the next election cycle. Those grapes are mighty sour, aren’t they?

By GodHatesTrash

November 5, 2008 2:40 PM | Link to this

Byte, it’s not just the semi-rich that are worried about Obama’s tax plan, it is also the semi-retarded…

By Bosch

November 5, 2008 2:41 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Whatever (as I roll my eyes ) :-)

So, thoughts on the election? I desperately need a nap right now, but alas, will have to wait for an early bed time.

By ByteMe

November 5, 2008 2:42 PM | Link to this

GHT: Like “Joe” the plumber?

By "The Corporal"

November 5, 2008 2:43 PM | Link to this

To tcoach

About 25% of the 58,000 names on the Vietnam wall are men who did not want the government controlling their bodies. Guess what? The government controlled their bodies not for just nine months but for two years and sent them to a place they did not want to go where other men tried to kill them. It’s still the law of the land per the U.S. Supreme Court.

Looks to me like the govenment (i.e., the Supreme Court) is a little selective on whose bodies they can and cannot control.

Bottom line, if women cannot be required to carry another human being to term then the draft should also be illega.

By RJ

November 5, 2008 2:45 PM | Link to this

“The Corporal”,

The problem with your theory is that abortion is not a moral issue. It’s a religous one. See, while the New Testament is very clear in that life begins at conception, the Old Testament is equally clear that life begins at birth.

Since this is essentially a debate between Christianity and Judiasm, the government needs to stay out of it. The First Amendment guarantees freedom of religion, so a law that would impose the view point of Christianity on those that practice Judaism should be unconstitutional and not acceptable in this country. If that means allowing for something as bad as abortion so be it.

By ByteMe

November 5, 2008 2:49 PM | Link to this

“The Corporal”: I think a draft should be illegal unless there’s an unequivocal declaration of war by Congress. Haven’t had one of those in a while, right?

And there were so many ways out of the draft — staying in college, having a “trick” knee, moving to Canada — that the draft might have been just a way to thin the “stupid” part of the herd.

By AF

November 5, 2008 2:49 PM | Link to this

RealityKing, you don’t have to support abortion … you can choose to have one or not. What you shouldn’t be able to do is choose for me.

I have always been confused about what is called “conservative” and “liberal”. I would think a “conservative” would want to “conserve” to the individual any rights not granted to the government in the Constitution. A “liberal” would want the government to decide for me.

By gadem

November 5, 2008 2:51 PM | Link to this

I believe that same sex marriage is wrong, wrong, wrong…no other way to put it. People are entitled to do whatever it is that they do, but they ultimately have to answer to GOD. However, I would ask those that are gay or lesbian to seek help. I do not believe people are born that way…goes against the BIBLE…just my two cents.

By tcoach

November 5, 2008 2:53 PM | Link to this

Corporal I agree. I have truely never thought of it that way.

But if i did not sign up for selective service at age 18 then I could not vote. Where were the liberals to stand up for me.

I will guarantee that the liberals will show you how you are not true in your connection.

RJ I do not base my abortion opinions on religion nor do most of the people I interact with. So what is the response if it is a moral issue to people.

Why is it Ok for men to have to give up the right to their body for our country and women are given full liberty to do as they please with theirs. Seems hypocritical!

By ByteMe

November 5, 2008 2:54 PM | Link to this

AF: actually, it’s the fascist who wants to use the full force of government to enforce their view of morality. Liberals want government to help; conservatives want government to get the heck out of the way. Fascists want to use it to control.

By Bosch

November 5, 2008 2:57 PM | Link to this

gadem,

So what if homosexuality goes against the Bible? And if people have to answer to God for being gay, what exactly is the original question put forth by God?

Just my two cents. :-)

By Bosch

November 5, 2008 2:59 PM | Link to this

ByteMe,

“Fascists want to use it to control”

Amen.

By getalife

November 5, 2008 3:01 PM | Link to this

I could give a crap about the gop and their stupid wedge issues.

Rahm Emanuel: Obama’s Chief Of Staff.

He needs a Treasury Sec. ASAP to keep an eye on the trickle up socialism.

He should choose one that was not a CEO on Wall Street and no major conflict of interests.

By Bosch

November 5, 2008 3:03 PM | Link to this

I never thought I’d write this, but I want Dusty to appear. I want to see her undying support for our new President, because you know, like she’s written so many times before, to not support the President is just plain unpatriotic.

I want our patriotic Dusty to come out and start praising Obama (I wonder if her fingers can actually type “Obama”?)

Where’s Dusty? Come out, come out!

By AF

November 5, 2008 3:06 PM | Link to this

ByteMe:

This is good.

Now I can add another one to my confusion about the various factions in the Republican Party. Social conservatives, fiscal conservatives, center conservatives, neocons, Evangelical Christian conservatives, and now fascist conservatives.

Oops, wait a minute. That won’t work. That would mean that some social conservatives would be fascists but all Evangelical Christian conservatives would be fascists. They wouldn’t like that.

By Bosch

November 5, 2008 3:09 PM | Link to this

I wonder what Rush Limbaugh is doing right now?

By Paul

November 5, 2008 3:09 PM | Link to this

RJ 2:45

[[The problem with your theory is that abortion is not a moral issue. It’s a religous one. ]]

Are you stating an atheist cannot oppose abortion?

getalife

Do you suppose all those people who thought McCain was unfit to serve because of his rants will take the same position with Rahm Emanuel?

Bosch - be right with you -

By tcoach

November 5, 2008 3:11 PM | Link to this

That is a great point Bosch, Since Obama won there has been no appearance of Dusty.

She needs to show.

I cannot stand hypocracy and that is the exact path she seems to be taking.

Doesn’t matter what side you are on, at least be true to your own words.

By AF

November 5, 2008 3:11 PM | Link to this

ByteMe:

This is good.

Now I can add another one to my confusion about the various factions in the Republican Party. Social conservatives, fiscal conservatives, center conservatives, neocons, Evangelical Christian conservatives, and now fascist conservatives.

Oops, wait a minute. That won’t work. That would mean that some social conservatives would be fascists but all Evangelical Christian conservatives would be fascists. They wouldn’t like that.

By Bosch

November 5, 2008 3:12 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Fist bump from Bosch!

By Midori

November 5, 2008 3:16 PM | Link to this

Afternoon friends,

yesterday (last night) was a momentous occasion.

I’m so proud.

I can’t stop crying.

I just got off the phone with my daughter, and she is crying too.

I’ve yet to reach my granddaughter — I can’t wait to talk to her.

Thank you America. Thank you .

From the bottom of my heart.

Hi Bosch, Getalife, Paul :)

Paul: what do you propose I cook for a victory dinner? :)

By gadem

November 5, 2008 3:17 PM | Link to this

Obama is having an affect everywhere…the end is near. Save me Andi(girl)…save me!

By JohnF

November 5, 2008 3:18 PM | Link to this

49% of voters for Proposition 8 in California were white. Hispanics and Asians also were under 50%. 70% of blacks votes for propostion 8, voted to discriminate against a minority population.

To all homophobic blacks: You did not elect Obama to victory. He would not have won if not for the many whites, asians, and hispanics that were able to see beyond racial boundries and prejudice and vote for him..as I did. Yet you can’t get beyond your own bigotry when it comes to gay people. You complain about bigotry towards blacks but you don’t even attempt to address your own ignorance. Hypocrites!

By ByteMe

November 5, 2008 3:21 PM | Link to this

AF: You’re missing the “liberatarian” wing. The fiscal liberatarian believes in no regulations for anything. The social liberatarian believes that there should be no regulation over personal behavior that doesn’t affect another person. Republicans embrace the first type; Democrats embrace the second type.

A “social conservative” that acts to have the government enforce their ideals is definitely a fascist. I could be socially conservative and not have the government enforce my ideals and that’s not fascism.

By Bosch

November 5, 2008 3:23 PM | Link to this

Hey Midori!

Enjoy this!

Fist bump from Bosch!

I say steak for celebratory dinner. But that’s just cause I’m hungry right now.

I have to admit, I had a big lump in my throat last night when they announced the new first family.

By GMAN

November 5, 2008 3:26 PM | Link to this

Despite the buzz surrounding this year’s election and heavy early turnout, a lower percentage of Georgia voters actually turned out this year than in 2004, according to the Secretary of State’s office.

There needs to be an investigation by Secretary of State or of Secretary of State because this dosen’t make any since at all!

By Midori

November 5, 2008 3:26 PM | Link to this

Fist bump right back atcha, Bosch :)

ummmm…………

steak sounds good :)

By Bosch

November 5, 2008 3:27 PM | Link to this

I just noticed this:

Obama, or should I say President Obama, got 52% of the popular vote to McCain’s, or should I say grumpy old man’s, 46%

Wow, for the U.S., that’s equivalent to “I just kicked your a$$” for one of our presidential elections.

HEY JAY!!! WHO WON???

By getalife

November 5, 2008 3:29 PM | Link to this

Hey Midori ][ terrorist fist bump.

Yeah, if Americans were not moved at 11:00 pm last night, they had to be angry wingnuts.

A great night for America democracy.

My flag is flying.

By Paul

November 5, 2008 3:31 PM | Link to this

Hi Bosch!

Well, I hope we’re better off in four years than we are now. Pres-elect Obama has quite a course ahead. I’m still trying to get my head around Jay’s earlier posting on this entire ‘mandate of change’ thing. Maybe he or someone here can help me fill in the gaps.

As I understand it, in 2004 Pres Bush got 62 million votes (51 percent) and Sen Kerry got 59 million (49 percent). No mandate, there.

Numbers are still rolling in, but the latest I saw on CNN was Pres-elect Obama received 63 million (53 percent) and Sen McCain 59 million (47 percent).

So the winner got a percent more, the loser two percent less. Change of about three percent. The spread is six.

Doesn’t seem like a sea change to me. Granted, there was major shifting in the states, and it was decidedly Obama, but the change was not by very large margins.

I’m still wondering about all those new registrants and all: 2004 had 121 million, so far in 2008 we have 122 million. My impression from the media was that it was going to be a lot higher.

Then I took a look at the Gallup summary.

Link: Obama’s Road to the White House

Look at the end of August. Obama was trending down, McCain up, then their paths crossed and McCain was on top. Then: BAM! The economy implodes. People were mad! Some didn’t like how McCain responded vs. Obama, but people were hosed. About-to-become-retirees had to stay working. College plans changed. People got ripped and whose watch was it on? Yup – Republican Administration. Sure, the Congress was Democratic, but for stuff like this, people like one person they can point to – and that’s the President.

So if the implosion hadn’t happened, would the trending have continued? Who knows. So there’s a lot of euphoria, and it is historic. But what will our political, social, economic, military landscape look like two years from now? Frankly, I don’t think many people have given it specific thought .

I will say a major part of the election history is the fact Sen Obama is African American. And he expressly did not make race a focal point. He ran as a man of ideas, of vision, of hope. He was extremely well organized and innovative.

Sure, people of his heritage identified with him (and many, many people not of his heritage didn’t give it a second thought). I think that’s not only to be expected, but lauded. He represented the possibility of a dream realized and if that isn’t the best of what America has to offer, what is?

But the irony is, now that Democrats finally have the power, and have all this stuff they want to do…

we’re broke.

Oh, well…

By AJC/DNC Management

November 5, 2008 3:31 PM | Link to this

By Copyleft November 5, 2008 2:39 PM Andy, King: So, since you can’t win at the polls, you now propose exacting financial and employment “revenge” on the people who helped make America better? How very mature.

Oh I get it, mindless government bureaucracy can tax and spend with our money but it is cruel to pass the pain along to the workers, eh?

I have no idea what you were taught in the freako public education system but I was always told you don’t get something for nothing.

You pulled the rug out from underneath yourself.

Welcome to your very own depression, hehehe.

By Bosch

November 5, 2008 3:33 PM | Link to this

getalife,

What are you talking about - you know, we’re supposed to BURN all the flags now!

LOL!!!!

:-)

By Midori

November 5, 2008 3:33 PM | Link to this

and a terrorist fist bump for getalife :)

GMAN - where did you find that information about the Secretary of State?

By ByteMe

November 5, 2008 3:38 PM | Link to this

Paul: if you followed the rhetoric of BOTH campaigns, who were both trying to claim the mantle of “change”, then it’s nearly 100% went for “change”. That sounds like a mandate for change to me.

However what that means is anyone’s guess.

:)

By RealityKing

November 5, 2008 3:44 PM | Link to this

It’s called media hype GMAN.. Didn’t you catch that 52/46 split in the national vote? Or do you also dubiously believe in an Obama mandate??

By Paul

November 5, 2008 3:44 PM | Link to this

Hi Midori!

[[Paul: what do you propose I cook for a victory dinner? ]]

Before I answer that, I have to offer, I think it’s illegal to serve your opponents the most fitting meal: crow.

Midori, I’d have something my family would turn to on special occasions. Not something like steak or lobster or those other traditional marketing things. Remember I once spoke of Jeff Smith, The Frugal Gourmet, and how he used food to engender an appreciation of other countries and cultures? I’d go for something different like that. Something that says to my friends and family “this is special. This is who we are and how we celebrate. This is what we will remember for years to come.”

And I would definitely serve something that wouldn’t keep falling out of my mouth while I was grinning!

I’m about to go out for a couple of hours. I am very happy for you, and all of you whose candidate emerged victorious and am equally happy for all those whose candidate may have lost, but who conducted themselves with honor.

Different visions, different paths, one country.

By Bosch

November 5, 2008 3:45 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Maybe it’s good that we’re broke, who knows.

I think many Obama supporters HAVE thought about our country in two-four years down the road, I think they thought long and hard about it, and realized Obama made more sense.

I can say this now without fear of getting yelled out, but I think race had alot to do with the election. There, I said it. How can it not? Of course black people trended towards Obama - that’s not rascist, that’s human nature. If Palin had been running for President, how much of the white, 40ish, evangelical, women vote do you think she’d have gotten? Um, about 100%?

And I don’t mean that a bit as condescending at all towards blacks - I think it’s great for them! If I were black and somebody said to me, “Well, you’re just voting for Obama ‘cause he’s black.” I’d say, “yeah, so? STFU (but I’d actually say it)”

Sure, it’s going to be tough, but I think the attitude of the country is changing - no more drunk binge spending, and buying things you can afford.

And also, I think banks are going to realize that they need to pull in credit and make things work if they are going to make it.

I think the election would have looked alot different had Obama picked Hills, or McCain had picked anybody other than Palin (even a rabid monkey), but you can always speculate on these things. Now we’ll just have to kick back and see how it goes, and yell like hell if we disagree.

By citizen

November 5, 2008 3:45 PM | Link to this

Is anyone else out there as concerned as I am that president-elect has started naming his advisors and they are the sad, old, advisors that surrounded Bill Clinton. We are in a new era…we need new ideas to adapt to this global economy that has raised the living standards in China and India that have increased the demand for energy. We need young, creative minds to help us go from ‘The Old Capitalism” to “The New Capitalism” ( Google Irwin Stelzer)

By BDAtlanta

November 5, 2008 3:49 PM | Link to this

I’d like to see the Dems propose mandatory service for 1-2 years after high school with choices of how to serve:

1)the military 2)some kind of international service like Peace Corp 3)some type of FEMA service 4) or some type of road/bridge/infrastructure improvement work like the WPA back in the 30’s.

The kids would get paid and have all that experience before heading off to college. I would have loved to have been able to help this country like that when I was that age.

By mm

November 5, 2008 3:51 PM | Link to this

The wingnuts are already blaming Obama for:

The stock market falling.

Missiles in Russia.

Hiring freezes and layoffs.

Pathetic. Last time I looked Bush was still in office. There’s your reality check.

By Midori

November 5, 2008 3:52 PM | Link to this

Paul,

serving crow is the one and LAST thing on my mind.

That’s the last thing I’m about.

I’m just so very grateful that the American public did, In my mind, the right thing.

And I’m equally grateful that the Bush presidency is 99.99 percent over.

I say look to the future.

the future looks bright, and it’s wearing shades

thanks for the info, and it’s good talking with you.

I may make a seafood stew, with coconut milk :)

yum!!!

By RJ

November 5, 2008 3:52 PM | Link to this

Paul,

My point has nothing to do with athiesm. I’m saying that declaring that life begins at conception faces religios opposition and therefore should not be settled by the government. If the government made abortion illegal it would be a First Amendment violation.

By Paul

November 5, 2008 3:52 PM | Link to this

ByteMe

Well said.

Golly, I hate to sound judgmental, but anyone who didn’t want some kind of change had to be nuts!!!

Out for a while. Wall-e’s at the dollar cinema.

Bosch

Gotta run, wife’s heading for the car, but I like your point, many people did think long and hard.

Later -

By RealityKing

November 5, 2008 3:55 PM | Link to this

Obama’s administration will be nothing more than a reunion of 70’s sytle liberalism. Old school hippies and druggies turned politicians, gleefully shoving progressive idealism down our throats until we finally have another chance to vomit them out in the next election. Just like 1980…

By RealityKing

November 5, 2008 3:58 PM | Link to this

DOW -462.67 -4.81% The Obama effect continues…

Can it get to -666 the day after the election? How ironic would that be??

By AJC/DNC Management

November 5, 2008 4:00 PM | Link to this

By getalife November 5, 2008 3:29 PM My flag is flying.

al-Gitmo: You know that’s against the rules now, right?

Be careful or the pinkkkos will send a goony squad out to take you to the reeducation camp.

Or maybe even Gitmo now that they freed the cut throats.

By ByteMe

November 5, 2008 4:00 PM | Link to this

RealityKing: let us know when you have something constructive to share….

By Copyleft

November 5, 2008 4:01 PM | Link to this

It’s true that President Obama will have a Bush recession to fix.

However, I have every confidence that he’ll be able to do it in grand New Deal style, by raising corporate, top-bracket, and capital-gains taxes back up where they belong and focusing on expanding the middle class (the true heart of America) at the expense of CEOs and stock investors.

It’s premature to hope that FDR is back, but Obama’s platform suggests at least a smidgen of that type of sound economic thinking that gave us our last thirty-year boom economy.

By GodHatesTrash

November 5, 2008 4:02 PM | Link to this

Demonization, defamation, division, deceit, distraction - didn’t work a third time rightwingnuts.

By ByteMe

November 5, 2008 4:11 PM | Link to this

Too funny! Dave Barry

A little levity is important.

By Midori

November 5, 2008 4:13 PM | Link to this

Hi there, Sir Trash: good to see you, as I, have been resurrected from the dead :)

By AmVet

November 5, 2008 4:15 PM | Link to this

The GOP implosion is nearly complete.

A few old Yellow Dog Republicans survived. But their role will be largely ceremonial now, as they continue to futilely try and rally the apologists, ostriches and crackers around an agenda that even they likely no longer believe.

The sex police, the Marxists and the flat earth society elements of the wrong-wing GOP are going to find the going hellish now.

As it should be…

By RW-(the original)

November 5, 2008 4:25 PM | Link to this

But the irony is, now that Democrats finally have the power, and have all this stuff they want to do…

we’re broke.

Paul,

Are you offering that as a silver lining? I’ll take it.

By Taxpayer

November 5, 2008 4:35 PM | Link to this

Ha Ha Ha. Some of you guys are really silly. So, your take on losing — again — is that it’s ok since you didn’t have anything to lose. So, what was the fuss about to begin with? Ha Ha Ha. Yo guys should really get out of the house sometime.

By scrappy

November 5, 2008 4:37 PM | Link to this

I thought Repubs were supposed to be against big government and want them out of their personal lives? Looks like the 2 sides switched places!

The morality police needs to stop trying to legislate their morals on me, I am fully capable of making my own rational decision.

By Just_Me

November 5, 2008 4:39 PM | Link to this

Midori

Happy Birthday..what a gift, huh?…I too was crying; Was talking to my son down in Valdosta-we were on the phone as they called the election-my other son and husband were sitting on either side of me-we were all emotional and excited about this-.what a great night!…..

Forty years ago, we saw the assassination o MLK. Forty years from then, we’ve elected a black leader. We really have come a long way…yet still have a long way to go, before race isn’t even a second (third, or fourth) thought.

Bosch, as usual, you and Mrs. G, and AmVet are right there with me. Isn’t today a great day to be an American. Finally intelligence and rationality has won the day…

Going out to celebrate. The naysayers here, who are screaming about communism, socialism, and taxes going up, can have their rhetoric. No one can ruin this day for me!!

BTW: I have an aunt- she and my uncle sold their business a few years back for 20 million CASH. Several months later, an investment they made paid off-another cool 12 million.

Since then, they’ve invested well, and while they did take a hit with the recent mess, no real worries.

They voted-Obama. (Did I mention my uncles a graduate of MIT and a Mensa member? smart people rule).

RW-i hope i left some typos in here today to satisfy your “tsk, tsk” judgmental side today. ;-) heres a fue tings for yew to koreckt

;-) feeling rather generous (oops, i’ve probably activated the “Good thing! Because Obama’s gonna steal your MONEY from you!” sequence!) HA!

By Goldie

November 5, 2008 4:40 PM | Link to this

As long as our Electoral College is still deciding who our next President is, I say we have a blowout for the Dems, or that “mandate” that we need. Let’s all remember how we Dems were constantly reminded over and over that the popular vote count never mattered in FLA 2000… so what’s to care whether Obama won by 6% or by 15% in the popular vote, when instead we have 349 to 147 in the Electoral College vote? Blowout!

Mandate, I say.

By Goldie

November 5, 2008 4:43 PM | Link to this

And Happy Nov. 5th, Midori!

All enlightened Americans made Nov. 4th happen, and it feel so good to know that we have been on the right side of history.

By Just_Me

November 5, 2008 4:45 PM | Link to this

Goldie

Hey there! Seven to eight million voter difference in the popular vote…quite a difference from the last few elections, no? Fairly significant.

You know, there are some here who will just insist that the world is coming to an end (just like my student who burst into tears last week at the mere mention of an Obama win)- He’s got a long, difficult job ahead-the fiscal irresponsibility of the Bush admins have really damaged us; our global standing in the world has also taken a beating.

I do believe, however, that the first step to healing our woes lies with Obama.

I’m with you girlfriend…mandate indeed.

By GOP is gone

November 5, 2008 4:55 PM | Link to this

I have been smiling all day. I called both my daughters today, I only had to say two words. HOOYT HOO! You see, at my house everything has a reference to Andy and Mayberry. They immediately started laughing and then HOOTY HOO’ed me back. I have to agree with my eldest child though. She does not want to see a 60 seat Democratic Senate, she believes in balance of power, as do I. I do not want them tempted to go too far.

I hope Obama chooses his advisors and cabinet heads well. I think he will be a great President and I look forward to watching this country become whole again, in it’s own eyes and in the eyes of the entire world. I have heard of celebrating from around the globe. A new era is dawning for America.

Do you think Dusty is cowering in her closet? Maybe holed up in a bomb shelter? Struck catatonic? Maybe she has fallen and can’t get up? Could the rest of us have missed the rapture? Choked on a crow? Could she possibly become as gracious as McCain was? One can only hope, after all, that is what Sheriff Taylor would do. Maybe………..NAH.

By Midori

November 5, 2008 5:06 PM | Link to this

Just Me and Goldie,

I’m so happy!!!!!!

Hugs all around!!!!

You guys are the absolute BEST :)

Love Ya!!! :)

This was the most awesome birthday in memory — and HISTORY!!! :)

GOP is Gone: I suspect Dusty is hanging out at the Wooten Blog.

You should see the hate over there.

DISGUSTING

And a special shout out to AM VET :)

By Goldie

November 5, 2008 5:20 PM | Link to this

Just_Me @ 4:45 — Hey back… blowout and mandate! Now the hard work really begins, and we need all Americans who can open their eyes to what’s before us right now to work with us on solving our enormous problems.

By Just_Me

November 5, 2008 5:26 PM | Link to this

Midori

Let them keep the hate away. I am in such a good place—the crazy comments today are just making me crack up!

Let them stay over at W land. I don’t go where I’m not welcome…..hehehe.

Today, people I would have never suspected told me they were so excited and they had voted for Obama…(read: against the “typical, expected” demo). The Mc-P folks were literally dragging, and hardly left their classrooms…and when they did, didn’t talk much. I told one woman, who made a comment about her all black clothing (i wore all black, but do so about 2 days a week anyway!) that it “reflected her mood about yesterday.” I looked her in the eye, with a smile, and said, “Well, the way you feel today, is the same way I felt watching you literally jump up and down and squeal four years ago…only we’ve suffered through EIGHT years of it….welcome to MY world!”

She grimmaced, and got into her car LOL.

By GOP is gone

November 5, 2008 5:26 PM | Link to this

Great big birthday fist bump to you Midori. I have an invitation to attend a victory celebration this weekend. I was a little worried that the invite came on Sunday the 2nd. But no Jinx, sigh of relief.

Goodbye Sarah Palin, (sung to tune of Mrs Robinson) Plummer Joe has up and gone away, hey,hey,hey. So here’s to you Sarah Palin, Jesus loves you more than you can know. Wo Wo Wo Sitting on a sofa on a Sunday afternoon Going to the candidates debate Laugh about it, shout about it when you’ve got to choose Any way you look at it, you lose

By GodHatesTrash

November 5, 2008 5:26 PM | Link to this

Hello Midori.

I’m back, but I am tired of making Bookman’s blog look good, when he is such an ingrate. Looking for greener pastures…

Unbelievably, he pulled a dozen of my posts Friday nite, and banned me for Saturday.

He’s Woo-tan Lite.

By Just_Me

November 5, 2008 5:33 PM | Link to this

GOP is Gone?

Uhm, the Mrs. Robinson thing has been going thru my head since Saturday…when a friend of mine asked my 21 yo to escort her to…::gulp::: a Halloween party-and he accepted…

Coo coo for choooooooo

Oh Lord, the headache has returned LOL~

By GodHatesTrash

November 5, 2008 5:39 PM | Link to this

And - as I was posting to you - he just pulled another one of my posts on the next thread!

By GOP is gone

November 5, 2008 5:48 PM | Link to this

Mrs Palin

Dede dede dede dede dede dede

And here’s to you Sarah Palin Jesus loves you more than you will know Wo-wo-wo God bless you, please Sarah Palin Heaven holds a place for those who pray Hey-hey-hey, hey-hey-hey

We’d like to know a little bit about hair and clothes We’d like to help you fly back to your home Look around you all you see are joyful looking eyes Now It’s Michelle who will call the White House home.

Hide it in a hiding place where no one ever goes Put it in your pantry with your ammo It’s a little secret, just the Palin’s have to bear. Most of all you have to hide it from the kids

Kookookachoo, Sarah Palin, Jesus loves you more than you can know

Sitting on a sofa on a Sunday afternoon Going to the candidates debate Laugh about it, shout about it when you’ve got to choose Any way you look at it, you lose

Where have you gone, Joe Wurzelbacher A nation turns its lonely eyes to you, woo-woo-woo What’s that you say, Sarah Palin Plummer’ Joe has left and gone away, hey-hey-hey

By GodHatesTrash

November 5, 2008 5:54 PM | Link to this

Did Bookman censor you, too, Midori?

I really don’t know why he is so one-sided.

We are both better writers than he is.

You think he’d be grateful!

By Midori

November 5, 2008 6:03 PM | Link to this

Sir Trash,

I wouldn’t call it “censor”.

He asked me not to post anymore for the day on Thursday, to which I complied.

I just need to stop letting the racist antagonists on the right get to me.

By GodHatesTrash

November 5, 2008 6:54 PM | Link to this

Well, the wingnuts did Obama a huge favor - all their ugliness, stupidity, arrogance, paranoia, misanthropy, and contempt for their fellow human beings was on constant display, not just here on this blog, but all over the internets, Fox, and rant and rave radio.

“My America” finally had enough of their so-called “Real America”. It was a looooooong time coming, but it came with a resounding vengeance last night.

By "The Corporal"

November 5, 2008 6:55 PM | Link to this

To RJ

It is a moral and a scientific one and they are easily separated.

So, let’s just stick to the scientific area

Now, please tell me as succinctly as you can when you believe life starts. You have to pick somewhere along the way or it is a complete cop-out. At what point in human development does a baby come under the protection of the law? If you will answer that honestly I will reply honestly …………

By GodHatesTrash

November 5, 2008 7:02 PM | Link to this

Now Byte, Joe the Plumber is the greatest mind in the Republican Party since the untimely demise of Sonny Bono…

By Copyleft

November 5, 2008 7:12 PM | Link to this

Heck, I’ll answer that one for ya, Corporal.

“At what point in human development does a baby come under the protection of the law?”

Birth. That’s when a fetus becomes a person, recognized as such under the law.

By jon

November 5, 2008 7:18 PM | Link to this

If you accept the voters’ choice on abortion in South Dakota, can you accept the voters’ choice in California on gay marriage?

I’m a conservative and I proudly voted for John McCain because I believe he was a better choice for the long term economic well being and security of this country. As an atheist, I differ in opinion with most on the right when it comes to abortion, prayer in school, and gay marriage.

I respect those that believe abortion is murder, but I will never have to make that decision, so I don’t have a dog in that fight.

I oppose prayer in schools because it’s not about allowing the Christians the opportunity to pray, the issue is Christians wanting everyone to pray like them.

Gay marriage is easy. Just get government out of the marriage business altogether. No favors or sanctions by the government for married or not. Then anyone could enter any commitment they want, religious through the church, legal through a prenuptial contract.

And because I am in really b*** mood, I have some stats for all you believers.

Percent of Americans that consider themselves Christians. 70%

Percent of prison inmates that consider themselves Christians. 70%

Percent of Americans that consider themselves atheists. 10%

Percent of prison inmates that consider themselves atheists. 0.5%

By "The Corporal"

November 5, 2008 9:00 PM | Link to this

To Copyleft

A couple of points:

1) That may answer the question legally (for now) but it’s not a scientific answer.

2) When scientifically is a “fetus” a person? In other words, the only difference between birth and prebirth is how the oxygen is exchanged (and even for awhile after the birth before the baby breathes on its own). Does how oxygen flows into a body determine life/humanness?

3) Then why did Obama vote to not protect the life of a baby that was breathing on its own after surviving an abortion?

By Copyleft

November 6, 2008 8:31 AM | Link to this

Scientifically, there is no such thing as a “person,” since personhood and its attendant rights and protections are a legal concept.

Scientifically, there are only organisms: living or dead, independently viable or dependent, parasitic, symbiotic, and so on. A fetus is an organism, certainly; and so is a stalk of corn, a mosquito larva, and a fertilized frog egg. Are any of them “people”? The law says no; science says nothing.

By "The Corporal"

November 6, 2008 9:08 AM | Link to this

To Copyleft

1) Then you make my point. There is no difference physically between a baby before or after birth. It’s the same scientific organizm.

2) We have legally chosen to say it is not a person before birth and if we can say that we can with enough votes and court rulings say it’s not a person until it’s one year old. We have become no better than the Nazi’s. God help us.

3) You didn’t answer my third point above.

By Copyleft

November 6, 2008 10:32 AM | Link to this

Huh? Societies have always decided what a “person” is, and what rights accompany that status. Yes, I suppose the Nazis had their definition too. What’s your point—that maybe we SHOULDN’T have that right? Or just that our definition should line up with your own personal superstitions?

As for why Obama voted for or against a bill—how should I know? Show me the bill and I’ll tell you my opinion on it.

By "The Corporal"

November 6, 2008 11:37 AM | Link to this

1) That’s just it. You gave me the answer I suspected you would. In your world, life is determined by the whim of a majority vote and that is a scary thing.

2) Don’t claim ignorance. Obama, when he was an Illinois State Senator voted that doctors were NOT to try to save the life of a full term child born alive via an abortion.