Home > Jay Bookman > Archives > 2008 > November > 05 > Entry
DEL.ICIO.USThis election had to be different, and was
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
The American people have given President-elect Barack Obama more than a political victory; they have given him a resounding vote of confidence and a mandate of change. In fact, as the results rolled in from across the country Tuesday night, it was impossible to escape the conclusion that dramatic change is under way already, bubbling up from an American public deeply concerned about its nation’s future and demanding a new approach.
For all of his powers of persuasion, Obama did not create that call for change. But for reasons both obvious and subtle, he has come to personify it. When he is sworn into office Jan. 20, he will become not just our first African-American president, but the first to come of age in the years after Vietnam, Watergate, feminism, the civil rights movement and other old battles that in many ways have continued to rage to this day, like an underground fire smoldering for decades in an abandoned coal mine.
Obama’s opponents in this campaign wanted to keep fighting those earlier wars, in part because they knew how to win on that terrain. They had become adept at dividing the American people into almost equal halves, ensuring that the slightly larger half would be on their side. They believed that with Obama’s race, relative youth, background and name, surely it was possible to fight and win that kind of battle one more time.
But consistently, persistently, Obama insisted on looking forward. Like the American people, he understood that this election had to be different. He saw that while we argued about morals and values instead of government and competence, the future had been slowly slipping from us. Important decisions were ignored. Critical adjustments to a changing world were set aside. As a people and a nation, we were coasting on past accomplishments, trading on the good name, wealth and power built in earlier times.
As events from Wall Street to Main Street have made clear, that course is no longer open to us. Such pettiness is a luxury of easier days and smaller challenges.
In fact, no incoming president since Franklin Roosevelt has faced a more difficult situation than that confronting Obama. The combination of military challenges and financial and economic woes will require sacrifices of a sort not asked of the American people in a generation or longer.
That task will be complicated by the fallout from this bitter election season. Every campaign stirs anger and frustration, but the emotions in this election cycle have run deeper than most. While many saw in Obama a change for the better, others have seen him as a figure to be feared. The senator from Illinois has been villified as a Marxist, a socialist, a secret Muslim and friend of terrorists. His election has even been compared by conservative political commentators to Adolf Hitler’s assumption of power in 1933.
Such talk is dangerous and irresponsible, not least because to some minds it hints that the unjustifiable can perhaps be justified after all. Less dramatically, it also suggests that even with his margin of victory, Obama may not enjoy the presumption of unity and support traditionally granted to newly elected presidents. It seems remarkable to have to state such things, but it is important that the legitimacy of Obama’s presidency be acknowledged by even his most vociferous of critics if we are to make progress.
In a country as diverse as ours, unity can be a fragile commodity. In fact, perhaps the most famous and poign-ant cry for unity in American history was ignored with tragic consequences.
“We are not enemies, but friends. We must not be enemies,” Abraham Lincoln pleaded in his first inaugural address in 1861, on the eve of civil war. “Though passion may have strained it must not break our bonds of affection. The mystic chords of memory, stretching from every battlefield and patriot grave to every living heart and hearthstone all over this broad land, will yet swell the chorus of the Union, when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our nature.”
In our current situation, though, the more relevant example may be that set by a candidate who suffered one of the more heartbreaking defeats in U.S. history. Eight years ago, Democrat Al Gore won a plurality of the popular vote but lost the presidency after an extended and bitter legal fight.
In his gracious concession speech, Gore took as a model the words of Sen. Stephen A. Douglas to Lincoln after the 1860 election. “Partisan feeling must yield to patriotism,” Douglas told Lincoln. “I’m with you, Mr. President, and God bless you.”
“I say to President-elect Bush that what remains of partisan rancor must now be put aside,” Gore said that night, “and may God bless his stewardship of this country. … I also accept my responsibility, which I will discharge unconditionally, to honor the new president-elect and do everything possible to help him bring Americans together in fulfillment of the great vision that our Declaration of Independence defines and that our Constitution affirms and defends.”
Sen. John McCain, an American patriot, expressed similar sentiments Tuesday night, describing Obama as his former opponent and as his president. That is the way real Americans do things, here in these United States of America.
Services »
Comments
By Me Again
November 5, 2008 7:14 AM | Link to this
The first thing I see is a mandate for change. With barely over 50% of the popular vote, I think you can hardly call that a mandate. However, I am not surprised that was the first thought out of Bookmans pea brain last night / this morning. Obama wins, I get free stuff from the governement .
I would suggest that this is not a mandate for change but more of a condemnation of the last 4 years. This is NOT a green light to jerk the country to the left, as much as Bookman and the rest of the libs would like.
By arnold
November 5, 2008 7:17 AM | Link to this
The nightmare is ending.
By Joey
November 5, 2008 7:25 AM | Link to this
If Republicans are to follow Gore’s example, Democrat’s example, we need to look at what he and they did after the speech. In the years that followed.
Jay, do you want Republicans to behave as Democrats said or as Democrats did? I choose to behave over the nest 4 years as Democrats behaved after 2000 and after 2004.
Another national election occurs 2010. The brass will be tarnished by then.
By AJC/DNC Management
November 5, 2008 7:28 AM | Link to this
Oh please.
The youth vote and the Latino vote are the clear “change” in this year’s election results, period.
Good news is, by the time 2010 rolls around, things will be so bad here the only place with any jobs will be Mexico.
You think they’ll let us in to get them?
By RW-(the original)
November 5, 2008 7:29 AM | Link to this
Al Gore certainly did give a gracious speech once he got done with six weeks of trying to destroy the entire fabric of our system with his attempt to steal the election, but after that speech he constantly tried to undermine Bush’s authority by talking about his completely irrelevant popular vote margin.
The senator from Illinois has been villified as a Marxist, a socialist, a secret Muslim and friend of terrorists. His election has even been compared by conservative political commentators to Adolf Hitler’s assumption of power in 1933
Obama’s own book talks about his affection for Marxist professors and his redistribution policies are classic Marxism. The secret Muslim meme is only from the very fringes. He is most certainly a friend of unrepentant domestic terrorists Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn and as for a rise to power reminiscent of Hitler I believe people have only talked about the symbolism of giant outdoor crowds of fawning cult like followers. It’s pretty hard to say that isn’t true.
In any case, Jay, after eight years of your non stop President bashing I find you a little disingenuous when you say we all have to get behind anything our new President wants to do. As for me I’ll follow the principles I have consistently followed my entire life. I’ll support the President when I think he’s right and hold his feet to the fire when I think he’s wrong.
By Leni
November 5, 2008 7:32 AM | Link to this
Demokratischepartie uber Alles Judenraus
By Sean Hannity
November 5, 2008 7:39 AM | Link to this
AAAAaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhh! (Head explodes…)
Good morning all, BDAtlanta
By hotlanta
November 5, 2008 7:43 AM | Link to this
Why are there not AJC newspapers at the kiosks at the MARTA train stations that states that Obama won. The papers are still dated 10/4/08. Do we sense a little hate this morning. Go Obama GO. PUMA was not needed.
By AJC/DNC Management
November 5, 2008 7:43 AM | Link to this
It seems remarkable to have to state such things, but it is important that the legitimacy of Obama’s presidency be acknowledged by even his most vociferous of critics if we are to make progress.
You children and low income workers just voted into office the biggest group of power hungry liars that the world has ever known.
Look at them worm around^^ already making excuses for all of the campaign promises they are going to break. You took their bait hook, line and sinker. “Change” and “hope.”
Now that they got their bald faced lies to you behind them, they can throw open the workings of our economy and culture to their special interest groups, the environmental terrorists, the UN socialists, the anti Armed Forces crowd and all of the other sicknesses that they harbor.
Remember back just a few months ago before this empty suit became a threat to this great country and make a snapshot in your mind of how good you had it, playing your Nintendo games and whining all day.
That, in a few short months, will be fondly recalled as the “good old days.”
By RW-(the original)
November 5, 2008 7:50 AM | Link to this
The AP has just called Minnesota for Norm Coleman. What happened to the House and Senate GOP bloodbath we’ve been promised was coming tens of thousands of times by one extremely boring and repetitive poster?
By Copyleft
November 5, 2008 7:50 AM | Link to this
It’s a little like the end of World War 2.
Once again, America has defeated fascism.
By Mrs. Godzilla
November 5, 2008 7:50 AM | Link to this
Golly I feel great this morning!
Y’all join us to change our nation for the better. We want and need you to be a part of this movement.
Blue State, Red State, United States
Let’s roll!
By Lord Help Us
November 5, 2008 7:51 AM | Link to this
RW and Andy. Take a long look in the mirror at one of the reasons this country went so overwhelmingly to Obama last night (major butt-whoopin’ if you know what I mean).
This election had a lot to do with Obama, but it had a lot to do with a repudiation of the last 8 years too.
The type of right-wing vitriol, politics of fear, intellectually vacuous positions, bumper sticker dialogue, etc. that anti-americans like YOU TWO are what voters just completely and soundly rejected.
Keep it up if you want to make sure the next election goes like the last two…
By BDAtlanta
November 5, 2008 7:51 AM | Link to this
RW and AJC/DNC Mgmt:
babble babble babble babble. LOL.
We know what’s coming from your ilk. You folks will simmer for a few days, or even months, and then there’s a quick trip to the fertilizer store for supplies.
Liberals run their mouths when they aren’t happy, neocons/wingnuts bomb federal office buildings.
By Mrs. Godzilla
November 5, 2008 7:53 AM | Link to this
RW and ANDY, et al
Make yourselves useful
By AJC/DNC Management
November 5, 2008 7:55 AM | Link to this
A bottom up rebuilding of the Republican party is in order.
And it ain’t Newt.
We cannot sit around preaching social values and then elect divorcees and the like to lead our party.
I’m not saying that Newt is a bad person, do not get me wrong, but unfortunately this is the state of American politics, the liberals are too stupid or too lazy to understand the issues, so they attack our candidates on a personal level.
We are fighting the mass of ignorance, y’all, not a mass of intelligence.
Was Sarah Palin attacked on her ideas or was it her character?
See what I mean?
We have to have leaders that lead by example, pure social and economic Conservatives that do not cross the aisles, do not undermine their own interests on behalf of stupid goony platitudes like “unity,” but instead stand firm for the beliefs and traditions that we know are right.
We lose when we cooperate and America doesn’t like a loser.
By JohnF
November 5, 2008 7:55 AM | Link to this
I’m happy with Obama’s victory but there were disappointment elsewhere.
Proposition 8 in California appears to be passing by the slimest of margins. Interestingly, the percentage of people that voted to take away the rights of gay couples is about 10 percent less than when they did it before. What does that say? That attitudes about gay marriage are changing. But it seems to me if only half of a population desires to discriminate against a certain group, there is something patently unfair and downright immoral going on.
Arkansas passed a ban on gay couples adopting…an immoral choice. A couple of heterosexual meth addicts can adopt but a loving gay couple cannot.
Arizona’s ban was disapppointing but again it was a slim margin. Florida’s was completely expected..c’mon it’s Florida.
So the gay couples’ lives in all those states fall apart while the heterosexuals go on la dee da as if nothing happened..the same as they would if the measures had not passed.
By AJC/DNC Management
November 5, 2008 7:57 AM | Link to this
By Lord Help Us November 5, 2008 7:51 AM The type of right-wing vitriol, politics of fear, intellectually vacuous positions, bumper sticker dialogue, etc. that anti-americans like YOU TWO are what voters just completely and soundly rejected.
LHU: You may wanna check the election results in Georgia when you get a chance.
I believe you got your “rejection” just a tad bit confused.
By BDAtlanta
November 5, 2008 8:00 AM | Link to this
To: Lord Help Us,
Ohhh SNAP!
By Proud Black Man
November 5, 2008 8:03 AM | Link to this
Words cannot explain the feelings I have about my country. We baby boomers are still hung up in our ways and some of us will carry the scars of racism, superiority and bigotry to our graves. What I saw last night were young and older people with new ideas and no prejuidices related to skin color. This will make America much stronger both here and abroad.
Barack Obama is testament to those who gave their life for freedom and civil liberty for all. Many of them were white people. Michael Schwerner, Viola Liuzzo, Andrew Goodman, John Kennedy, Bobby Kennedy and many more that I cannot remember as I get older.
This black man will never forget them on this day of celebration. I will not let my children,grand children and generations to come forget them either. I can now put slavery and all of its after effects behind me(although I will not forget).
May God bless America and protect Barack Obama and his family.
By JM, American
November 5, 2008 8:06 AM | Link to this
Correction, the nightmare is beginning.
No group has contributed more to “dividing the American people” than Liberals. Hatred of George W. Bush drove this outcome, along with a carefully manufactured good-looking, rock-star candidate who knew all the right words, and pushed all the right buttons. It is his supporters who threatened to burn down Atlanta if he did not win. What kind of people threaten to destroy their own town if they don’t get what they want?
People have forgotten, are uninformed, or simply chose to ignore that it was the Democrats who caused the economic crisis. Republicans warned of it all along, and the self-righteous Ms. Pelosi did her job well blaming Republicans for NOT voting for the bailout, but the majority of people in the country have selective memory or were too mesmerized to see the facts.
This nation will become one of handouts, hand overs and hate. People are under the false impression they will be getting something for nothing. The very people who want compassion, give none. The very people who preach spreading the wealth, don’t.
By Lord Help Us
November 5, 2008 8:07 AM | Link to this
Yup, congrats Andy…the anti-intellectual, lowest-common-demoninator politics of fear and bumper sticker dialogue still works in the state that ranks 49th out of 50 in education.
Dumb down some more states and you might have yourselves some more victories…
By Taxpayer
November 5, 2008 8:09 AM | Link to this
Now that the election is over, I no longer feel even the slightest urge to attack the former opponents of Obama. So, RW, AJC/DNC Management, Bud Wiser, @@, Dusty, and others whom I have confronted via my posts, I wish you (along with everyone else) well and I do indeed hope that the change that this country truly needs comes to be.
Enjoy.
By AJC/DNC Management
November 5, 2008 8:13 AM | Link to this
First things first, Republicans.
If there are any capable leaders left in this hollow, shelled out organization of reachers across the aisle, please put together a list of all the things that Hairy Reed filibustered when democrats were in the minority, gather up all the lib news paper articles about the “tyranny of the majority” and publish this list far and wide so that every American that isn’t mentally stunted knows what the “precedent” is.
Then, most importantly, do not fight anything that the socialists want to enact except for the appointment of judges.
Let them recess appoint them temporarily like we had to.
The former is important, do not abuse the filibuster, let these people cut defense, tax energy, shamelessly abandon Iraq, annihilate the people who employ American workers with taxes and regulations, all of this must pass.
It is just like Iraq now, the people have to see how bad “al Qaeda” is before they will realize how good we are.
By AmVet
November 5, 2008 8:14 AM | Link to this
Actually, crybaby, my final prediction was a Republican loss of 7 US Senate seats and 26 in the US House.
That will be close.
I also predicted Obama would get 48.8% of the popular vote and 319 in the electoral college vote.
I was low on both. (I guess too many crackers/ostriches either stayed home or voted for Palin).
So the lunatic fringe loses the White House and suffers more big loses in Congress.
And the US Supreme Court is apparently safe from the anti-abortion, “family values” nuts for a while longer.
Good showing, ballerina & the mortally wounded neo-cons!
A thrashing, not just another epic humiliation like the last one.
But don’t worry your “conservative” little heads too much, like Lincoln did with those other traitors after the Civil War, we’ll welcome you back into The United States of America.
So, one last time, just to make your day:
Republican Bloodbath, Part Deux. It came to an election everywhere Nov. 4, 2008.
By AJC/DNC Management
November 5, 2008 8:21 AM | Link to this
Impeach Bush now!
(bwahaha)
For real, to hell with him, “No child left behind,” immigration, McCain-Feingold, blah, blah, we need to run these people off on a rail.
The only worthwhile accomplishment this moron pulled through was the victory in Iraq, and now what does that mean?
Nothing, absolutely nothing.
There is a reason al Qaeda dances in the street this morning.
By Country Mouse
November 5, 2008 8:21 AM | Link to this
In all your celebration, do you ever stop to wonder if it is a good thing that the uneducated, those who either are too lazy or too stupid to embrace personal responsibility, those who would rather have the government take care of them instead of taking care of themselves, those who cannot wait for government to take at the point of a gun from those who have earned wealth and distribute it to them have elected the leaders who they think will do for them what they are unwilling or incapable of doing for themselves? What do you think that bodes for this country fifty years down the road?
By GMAN
November 5, 2008 8:25 AM | Link to this
It is quite obvious that the haterade is flowing freely this morning from the usual suspects. These are the individuals that have made the likes of Sean Hatery, Lush Limburger, Bill O’Really, Milk Salvo, Annie Coathanger, and Fake News profitable businesses. They appear this morning to be nothing more than lemmings diving off the clift of angry madness fueled by personal inadequacies and stoked by munipulative talk radio. FIRED UP AND READY FOR CHANGE!
Bush/McCain - The long wait is over!
By Eric1
November 5, 2008 8:40 AM | Link to this
Victory for RW is Norm Coleman in Minnesota. You’re a great American, RW. If only more people were like you, we could be the next Iran.
Finally Dubya has given the country something of value. His total and absolute incompetence of the last eight years paved the way for a brilliant new leader.
By Mrs. Godzilla
November 5, 2008 8:43 AM | Link to this
GA ain’t quite over
600,000 early votes not included in totals yet. Cobb, Fulton, DeKalb, Gwinnett.
McCain ahead by 245,498.
Maybe…..
By SwedeAtlanta
November 5, 2008 8:47 AM | Link to this
Re CountryMouse @ 8:21
Your description of me couldn’t be further off the mark.
I have a graduate degree and worked my way to pay for both undergraduate and graduate school. The school loans I had to take out were paid off in 8 years and not the 30 years that I could have taken.
I have never, thank goodness, been unemployed. I pay my share of taxes and don’t complain because I value the services my taxes provide.
I take personal responsibility for myself and my household. I do volunteer work and contribute to worthy charities.
So I suggest before you start categorizing people you get your facts right. You don’t know me so please don’t categorize me.
The faces of people across this nation that were celebrating change last night didn’t appear to me to fit your description either. There are always going to be people who just want to coast along and will take whatever they can. They are of every race, age, religion and political persuasion, even Republics, Independents and Libertarians.
By hillbilly ragger
November 5, 2008 8:49 AM | Link to this
Splendid editorial today, Jay.
I felt proud to read it in this morning’s paper; I felt prouder to look down and see your name as its author.
Yes we can.
By JM, American
November 5, 2008 8:54 AM | Link to this
RW (the original), you are exactly right when you say: “We are fighting the mass of ignorance, y’all, not a mass of intelligence.” I’d also like to add laziness and lack of foresight. Yes, foresight…the Democrats were not looking to the future, they were looking for power. It feels like a magic trick - an illusion done with smoke and mirrors to fool the audience.
LHS, I don’t quite understand what you’re saying about the vitriol and bumper stickers. Some of the real anti-Americans are those who threatened violence and destruction if their candidate did not win, and those who voted based on race alone or what their favorite movie star thought. Robert Kennedy Jr. promoted taking action to ensure “another election wasn’t stolen” and marching on Washington and surrounding the White House. Thugs with nightsticks outside a polling place in PA. The Dems are all for free speech, and assembly as long as it’s theirs.
I am very afraid for our country.
By Swami Dave
November 5, 2008 8:54 AM | Link to this
As I posted last night on the “election watching” thread, the election is over. While I disagree with the decision, the underlying greatness of our constitutional model is that governance can change directions in a peaceful manner resulting from votes cast by those governed.
It is my belief that God was in control before yesterday and is still today. I work as hard as possible in support of the principles / philosophies with which I agree; the results I leave up to him.
Congratulations to Senator Obama, now President-elect, and his supporters.
-Swami Dave
By hillbilly ragger
November 5, 2008 8:54 AM | Link to this
Leni @ 7.32, what’s with the “Judenraus” nonsense? Obama appears to have won 77 percent of the Jewish vote.
By AJC/DNC Management
November 5, 2008 8:54 AM | Link to this
By Mrs. Godzilla November 5, 2008 8:43 AM GA ain’t quite over 600,000 early votes not included in totals yet. Cobb, Fulton, DeKalb, Gwinnett. McCain ahead by 245,498.
99% of the vote has been tallied.
The vote total so far is roughly 3,800,000.
1% of 3,800,000 is 38,000.
I think you might be missing something here.
By BeeJay
November 5, 2008 8:59 AM | Link to this
To AJC/DNC Management
You are right: There is a reason al Qaeda dances in the street this morning. It’s because Obama is weak, inexperienced, and unknowledgeable. He won’t know how to act and when he does, it’ll be irrational, not smart and logical. They are glad not to have to deal with an aggressive, intelligent president any more.
By hillbilly ragger
November 5, 2008 8:59 AM | Link to this
Thank you for the gracious words, Swami Dave @ 8.54.
And thanks to Senator McCain for saying what needed to be said last night, as well. I look forward to re-acquainting myself with the Senator from Arizona, rather than the candidate for president.
By Goldie
November 5, 2008 9:00 AM | Link to this
“My country ‘tis of thee,
Sweet land of liberty,
Of thee I sing.
Land where my fathers died,
Land of the Pilgrims’ pride,
From every mountainside,
Let freedom ring!”
By tcoach
November 5, 2008 9:02 AM | Link to this
Congratulations to Mr. Obama,
He had the better campaign strategy and implemented it better.
However, to those who feel we should all blindly support him. I ask when then is it appropriate to begin bashing and attacking every decision he makes as many of you have done to Bush?
Bookman tells us to all follow Obama blindly, why, when he never once gave Bush a chance at success. Bush made grave errors in his 2 terms that is an unquestionable fact. I still ask though at what point are we allowed to question our President.
See for all this time I thought that was the essence and beauty of the 1st amendment. We as citizens of the USA have a right to question our leadership. That is what separates us from many other nations is we can attack the actions of our president. I feel it is our right to question those who are to lead us. We are the ones that provide the ultimate check and balance upon our elected officials.
So for all of you calling for a unilateral support of Obama I ask why?
Are you afraid that he will not be able to follow up on all the promises he has made. Because from this person’s eyes it seems as if you are all just setting up excuses for if things do not turn out as wonderful as promised. You have shifted the responsibility not to those who lead but to those who are to be lead. Bookman and others are making an attempt to cover themselves and Obama from any of the blame.
Their goal is to shift the blame of any, if any, failure happens away from Obama and other democrats. Then place that blame on all those who do not blindly follow him. What do you all think would have happened if everyone blindly followed Bush?
Someone please explain how if the Obama presidency is a failure how it is the citizens fault not his but when Bush’s presidency is judged as a failure it is all Bush’s fault. Do you people not see the hypocrisy in your own argument?
By AJC/DNC Management
November 5, 2008 9:04 AM | Link to this
Our failure to stand by the one person who continued to stand by us has not gone unnoticed by our enemies. It has shown to the world how disloyal we can be when our president needed loyalty — a shameful display of arrogance and weakness that will haunt this nation long after Mr. Bush has left the White House.
Mr. Shapiro is an investigative reporter and lawyer who previously interned with John F. Kerry’s legal team during the presidential election in 2004.-Wall Street Journal
And now they ask for “unity.”
We owe them nothing.
We reached across the aisle and got our hand bitten off for it, it is time to learn this lesson.
They called John McCain a “maverick” at one time, remember that?
What did they call him the last couple of months?
By Mrs. Godzilla
November 5, 2008 9:09 AM | Link to this
ANDY
Have you got data?
I’m still seeing this:
Advance Votes Not Tallied In Fulton, Gwinnett Counties Tuesday, November 4, 2008 – updated: 11:29 pm EST November 4, 2008
ATLANTA — Fulton and Gwinnett Counties failed to include any advance votes in their election totals by 11 p.m. Tuesday night.
Officials at the Secretary of States office confirmed to WSB-TV Channel 2 that the votes were not being included in early returns.
Up to two million votes may be going uncounted.
“Something’s really wrong out there,” said WSB-TV political analyst Matt Towery.
The unreported votes could have a major effect on the race for the U.S. Senate between Saxby Chambliss and Jim Martin. The early results show Martin trailing Chambliss by 14 percentage points.
Martin supporters said they believe a large percentage of the unreported votes will be for their candidate.
By Tom
November 5, 2008 9:10 AM | Link to this
At last - intelligence, culture, dignity, decency, integrity, pride, world respect will return to the White House, following 8 years of a multiple brutal rape by the hate-mongers.
The voices of the sons and daughters of Darkness will still scream forth their trash - but those voices are now…dead.
By Only in Georgia
November 5, 2008 9:13 AM | Link to this
You folks need divine intervention.
One day soon some of you will see the light.
By hillbilly ragger
November 5, 2008 9:16 AM | Link to this
Taxpayer @ 8.09, that’s pretty much my take.
If I happen upon some previously-unheard falsehoods that need setting straight from one of the local dead-enders I might reply, but otherwise, let ‘em vent.
By AJC/DNC Management
November 5, 2008 9:16 AM | Link to this
Some of those who identify themselves as conservatives would have us believe that the conclusion to draw from this is that the era of small government conservatism is over, and that the only option is to fight for a conservative welfare state to replace a liberal welfare state. But that was the driving force behind President Bush’s brand of “compassionate conservatism,” which led us to a fiscal disaster that critics now want to blame on traditional conservatism.-AmSpec
When are we going to get back to our principles instead of trying to out liberal the liberals?
By Truthman
November 5, 2008 9:20 AM | Link to this
I went to UGA, but, today, I feel like Florida!
Thank you, America!!
By AJC/DNC Management
November 5, 2008 9:22 AM | Link to this
Geez, I could have saved a lot of typing this morning and just cut and pasted-
Moreover, voters had forgotten how crazy liberals can be, not to mention the left-wing extremism represented by Obama. When we tried to tell them, they thought we were lying. Nobody could be that nuts, they seemed to be thinking. I was writing a column a few weeks ago when it suddenly dawned on me, nobody even remembers any more how badly Jimmy Carter and his liberals had trashed America by 1980. Nor do they remember anymore how Reagan so drastically turned everything around, both foreign and domestic. That is all now a history lesson that has to be painstakingly taught over and over.-AmSpec
Liberals cannot help themselves, Thank God for that, they will enact every single solitary goofball legislation that comes to their weak minds.
America will be appalled.
By Copyleft
November 5, 2008 9:28 AM | Link to this
TCoach: You ask why President Obama should be given a chance?
Because he legitimately won the election, for starters.
By Truthman
November 5, 2008 9:28 AM | Link to this
Crocodile tears, AJC/Andi,
Your vitriol is why BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA IS YOUR NEW PRESIDENT.
America has rejected the politics of war and hate and demonizing others who don’t look/dress/speak/act like exactly like Ward Cleaver.
However, you should feel good that Georgia is still seen as backward by the rest of the U.S.
Deal with it…or don’t! Neo-con days have ended.
Now, let’s restore the Fairness Doctrine and get Vannity and Lush off the air!!
By Truthman
November 5, 2008 9:29 AM | Link to this
AJC Mismanagement:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
By BDAtlanta
November 5, 2008 9:31 AM | Link to this
President Barack Hussein Obama
History is made up of important dates that stick out as turning points. We just made one happen.
By Soixante huitard
November 5, 2008 9:33 AM | Link to this
To RW (Original)’s point: s for a rise to power reminiscent of Hitler I believe people have only talked about the symbolism of giant outdoor crowds of fawning cult like followers. It’s pretty hard to say that isn’t true.
There one HUGE difference between what Obama is doing now and Hitler in ‘33.
Hitler’s aura was predicated on an appeal to his nation - in its destiny and future - as something that had been wronged , aggrieved and betrayed by pacifists and eggheads, that was threatened by the genetically weak and the inferior races, and that would rise up to crush those who challenge the superiority of the Germanic races.
Now, what part of crush the weak among us and abroad do you have trouble NOT seeing in everything represented by Barack Obama’s election as president?
There is simply NO comparison.
By Soothsayer
November 5, 2008 9:34 AM | Link to this
After the 2006 election I noted that the “conservatives” had become a marginalized Southern entity and last night’s election proves that point.
Looking at last night’s “red state, blue state” map it became apparent that there is a “bigot belt” in America that stretches right across the backward thinking South.
Not only that but this “bigot belt” will persist for generations to come if not forever.
We should never let our guards down and let them sway the country again.
By Taxpayer
November 5, 2008 9:37 AM | Link to this
Good morning hillbilly ragger. I woke up this morning and cooked breakfast for my daughter and drank my coffee while I waited for her to get ready for school. Then, I took her to school and dropped her off and returned home where my wife was busy with her day already. The sun is shining. It’s a nice fall day. Gas is cheaper. I think we’ll take advantage of the fact that life is still good.
Only in Georgia @ 9:13, I think we all need some intervention — divine, or otherwise — from time to time.
By luangtom
November 5, 2008 9:38 AM | Link to this
Just a question for President-elect Obama….if you are “black” and the first as President of the US, why are my sons of bi-racial heritage not called “white” or “Asian”? On the US-Census documents they are “mixed”?????
By Capitalist
November 5, 2008 9:38 AM | Link to this
Tee shirts for sale.
“Never, in my adult life, have I been more ashamed of my country.”
By Truthman
November 5, 2008 9:38 AM | Link to this
Soothsayer…HOOAH!!
THAT’S A BIG 10-4!!!
By BDAtlanta
November 5, 2008 9:39 AM | Link to this
Bush’s “Compassionate Conservatism” could better be called “Compassion for the Rich… and screw everybody else.”
By AJC/DNC Management
November 5, 2008 9:40 AM | Link to this
By Truthman November 5, 2008 9:28 AM Crocodile tears, AJC/Andi, Your vitriol is why BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA IS YOUR NEW PRESIDENT.
Truthman: Are you capable of reading anything I’ve written this morning?
Perhaps you should get yourself a dictionary and take a shot at it.
Then you will find out that I am actually quite happy that Oblahma won the election, in a depressing sort of way, because that means I am going to get my Republican party of Reagan back from these squishy “uniter” moderates that have it all ate up right now.
Plus, next year, probably around summer time, I will be able to tell everyone, I told you so.
By LM
November 5, 2008 9:40 AM | Link to this
What a wonderful night !!!!
But there is still a lot more work to do. We may not have gotten all of the Senate seats this time around, so we have to look to knocking them out in two years. Brownback of Kansas is retiring and here are the Republican Senators up for re-election in 2010.
Richard Shelby of Alabama - traitor - once Democrat turned Repug in 1994.
Lisa Murkowski of Alaska
John McCain of Arizona - well we all know about this one - he’s got to go.
Mel Martinez of Florida
Johnny Isakson of Georgia
Mike Crapo of Idaho
Chuck Grassley of Iowa
Jim Bunning of Kentucky
David Vitter of Louisiana
Kit Bond of Missouri
Judd Gregg of New Hampshire
Richard Burr of North Carolina
George Voinovich of Ohio
Tom Coburn of Oklahoma
Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania
Jim DeMint of South Carolina - ran a pretty nasty campaign 4 years ago.
John Thune of South Dakota
Bob Bennett of Utah
When their opponents announce they are running, please do whatever you can to support the Democratic candidate.
By BDAtlanta
November 5, 2008 9:41 AM | Link to this
Bush’s “Compassionate Conservatism” could better be called “Compassion for the Rich and My Buddies… and screw everybody else.”
By tcoach
November 5, 2008 9:43 AM | Link to this
Copyleft I stated he won and even said he ran the better campaign.
My question is more directed at those who are telling us we must support Obama, unconditionally. I ask why, since that is not the method the host of this site took about Bush.
When did I say anything about not giving Obama a chance show me those words I wrote. Misquote do whatever you need to make you feel better.
So you are saying we should blindly follow our president.
If not then why are you disagreeing with me?
Read the actual post not the name attributed to it.
By RW-(the original)
November 5, 2008 9:43 AM | Link to this
By Soixante huitard November 5, 2008 9:33 AM
The part of my post that you excerpted makes the exact same point you did in far less words.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I’m off to the forest to bank as much cash as I can before the tax man cometh. See y’all upstairs at happy hour.
By getalife
November 5, 2008 9:44 AM | Link to this
There is change already. The reaction around the world is extraordinarily positive. It is a new day in America.
In this country, we finally received accountability for the gop failures and outrages.
The people have spoken in a huge way. We are going in a new direction with new policies.
Let us support President Obama and pray he can clean up the gop mess.
By AJC/DNC Management
November 5, 2008 9:45 AM | Link to this
Last night, at an Election Night party at the National Taxpayers Union in Alexandria, Va., none of the conservative activists were in tears over McCain’s defeat — although some of them were among the same Romney supporters who’d cried when their candidate quit in February.
What I saw last night was a clear-eyed determination to move forward with the conservative agenda in the Obama era. As Paul Jacobs of Citizens United told me, “We’ve got ‘em right where we want ‘em.… There is no way that Obama and the Democrats can live up to expectations.”-AmSpec
By Soixante huitard
November 5, 2008 9:46 AM | Link to this
To continue my point: (Now, what part of crush the weak among us and abroad do you have trouble NOT seeing in everything represented by Barack Obama?)
What Obama represents is the DIAMETRICAL OPPOSITE of Hiter in EVERY respect.
Obama’s approach is one of lifting up the weaker and less fortunate and the pledge to see that they are not run over by greed and rapaciousness.
In short, Obama’s approach is fundamentally Christian where Hitler’s appeal was radically pagan and anti-Christian.
By Capitalist
November 5, 2008 9:47 AM | Link to this
Better yet.
“4 the 1st time in my life”
“I’m ashamed of my country”
By Truthman
November 5, 2008 9:47 AM | Link to this
AJC…WE TOLD YOU SO LAST NIGHT!!!
Maybe you should join the military and take your aggressions out on people in another country/continent. Since I work for the DoD, I know plenty of recruiters. Go join W’s “noble” war!
AMERICA WON!! BIGOTRY, HATE AND FEAR LOST!!
By GaNative
November 5, 2008 9:48 AM | Link to this
I think Obama will be very good for this country. Afterall, he’s inheriting a country where the only way he can go is up. Bush and his high class thugs have dragged the country down as low as it can go. Now I wonder what Sean Hannity will talk about today? I was so sick and tired of his mouth about Muslims, his associations, his not wearing a flag pin on his lapel. The American People wanted Change and we got it. My only disappoint in the whole election process is how my home state of Georgia can still be a Republican State. McCain fail on all points and topics if you asked me. He was no War Hero, he was a War Prisoner. He was not a Honest and Moral Man. He cheated on his wife with Cindy and lied about it and then dumped her when she became cripple.
By E.Q.Abellera
November 5, 2008 9:50 AM | Link to this
I can not believe the vitriol that is still being thrown around. The margin of victory compared to the last two presidential contest says it all. I can understand the disappointment in the losing camp but folks, you may not agree with the result but it is time to move on and move on forward we should. One can spit out all the viciousness he/she can muster, it is over…the decision is made and even the Supreme Court will not be able to intervene
By BDAtlanta
November 5, 2008 9:52 AM | Link to this
To SwedeAtlanta at 8:47
Very well put. This election was decided by educated people who recognized the better candidate a long time ago.
Tcoach at 9:02, No one is asking you to blindly follow Obama. You speak your mind as you see fit, let us know when you agree and disagree. If anyone tries to take that away from you, I will have your back.
By Dottie
November 5, 2008 9:55 AM | Link to this
I just called my only black employee (last hired, first fired) and told her due to forthcoming tax code changes i have to give her 2 weeks notice …
I wonder if that tempered her celebration today?
By Truthman
November 5, 2008 9:56 AM | Link to this
It’s true, I never supported W. I can’t support war criminals regardless of party.
So, if you don’t want to support your president-elect, that’s your prerogative.
Either way, the good guys are in power now. And, beleive it or not, you’ll be much better off in two years than under W.
By hillbilly ragger
November 5, 2008 9:56 AM | Link to this
tcoach, twice now I’ve read where you feel you’ve been asked to “blindly follow” Obama.
I feel I should gently point out that nobody has asked any such thing, not Jay nor any other poster here. And certainly not Obama himself, who has repeatedly asserted that he intends to assemble a team of advisers who are willing to disagree with him and take him out of what he calls his “comfort zone.”
If you have something tangible that Obama’s actually done or is proposing to actually do, that you feel is incorrect, then by all means give us your reasons for why you feel that way. I’ll be happy to engage such discussions (maybe not this morning since time doesn’t permit anything too heavy…) I suspect others will be as well.
As to comparisons with how Bush was treated by some Gore or Kerry voters, what is the point in that? I don’t think I should have to be held accountable for what others have done, certainly not four or eight years later.
By GayGrayGeek
November 5, 2008 9:57 AM | Link to this
tcoach - You’ve obviously missed the many posts over in Wooten’s blog from Dusty, the Esquire/ragnar/jmblaw, rufus and their friends, where they demanded that all the non-con’s were to shut up and “support our President” and how those who disagreed with Bush were traitors or worse.
Sorry the shoe’s on the other foot, but the nation has spoken. Either the Paleocons can toe the same line they’ve demanded of the non-cons over these past several years, or you can admit that you’re not interested in “Country First”.
By spankmonkey
November 5, 2008 9:57 AM | Link to this
What a great day for democracy, the American people finally awoke from their slumber and realized what the folks they had been voting for were all about, hate, power mongering and willful ignorance, (and those are the good points).
Anyway, I look forward to 2011 when Palin has to run against those in her own party for the nomination. It will be fun to watch the hippocracy abound as the establshment “conservatives” cannibalize her much like they did McCain in 2000. Of course then they managed to get a “values” candidate elected based on Clinton’s willy.
Happy day…
By Soixante huitard
November 5, 2008 10:04 AM | Link to this
To Capitalist:
“I’m ashamed of my country.
But despite your shame, we are proud.
And you will learn to live with our pride.
By Goldie
November 5, 2008 10:04 AM | Link to this
“Let us resist the temptation to fall back on the same partisanship and pettiness and immaturity that has poisoned our politics for so long. Let us remember that it was a man from this state who first carried the banner of the Republican Party to the White House - a party founded on the values of self-reliance, individual liberty, and national unity. Those are values we all share, and while the Democratic Party has won a great victory tonight, we do so with a measure of humility and determination to heal the divides that have held back our progress. As Lincoln said to a nation far more divided than ours, We are not enemies, but friends…though passion may have strained it must not break our bonds of affection. And to those Americans whose support I have yet to earn - I may not have won your vote, but I hear your voices, I need your help, and I will be your President too.” ~ President-elect Barack Obama, Nov. 4 ‘08
By Soothsayer
November 5, 2008 10:04 AM | Link to this
President Clinton - Eight Great Years of Closing Social and Economic Equity Gaps
15 million working families enjoyed tax relief under President Clinton’s expanded Earned Income Tax Credit. Thanks to Clinton, the EITC lifted 4.3 million people out of poverty in 1998 alone.
1.5 million children benefited when Clinton more than doubled federal funding for child care.
President Clinton signed a bad “welfare reform” bill in 1996, but Clinton vetoed a worse bill twice, winning concessions each time including - increased child care funding (by $4 billion), worker retraining, extensions for benefits, exceptions for “hard cases” and more.
Clinton increased funding for the Head Start program by 90 percent in FY 2000 so 880,000 children had a better chance to learn and grow.
Clinton forced the minimum wage up from $4.25 to $5.15 per hour and demanded an increase to $6.15.
Clinton’s Workforce Investment Act reformed the nation’s employment and training system.
Clinton’s AmeriCorps gave 150,000 young people the opportunity to serve in their communities while earning money for college or skills training.
President Clinton’s One America initiatives challenged us to respect others’ differences and embrace the common values that unite us. “[T]o close the opportunity gaps that exist for minorities and the underserved in this country.”
The poverty rate fell from 15.1 percent in 1993 to 12.7 percent in 1998. That’s the lowest poverty rate since 1979 and the largest five-year drop in poverty in nearly 30 years (1965-1970).
The African-American poverty rate dropped from 33.1 percent in 1993 to 26.1 percent in 1998 — the lowest level ever recorded and the largest five-year drop in African-American poverty in more than a quarter century (1967-1972).
The poverty rate for Hispanics fell to the lowest level since 1979, and dropped to 25.6 percent in 1998.
African-American unemployment fell from 14.2 percent in 1992 to 7.3 percent in March 2000 — the lowest rate on record.
The unemployment rate for Hispanics fell from 11.6 percent in 1992 to 6.3 percent in March 2000 — and in the last year has been at the lowest rate on record.
For women the unemployment rate was 4.3 percent in March 2000, nearly the lowest since 1953 [when few women sought employment outside the home].
In 1999, the homeownership rate was 66.8 percent — the highest ever recorded. Minority homeownership rates were also the highest ever recorded.
Under President Clinton and Vice President Gore, child poverty declined from 22.7 percent in 1993 to 18.9 percent in 1998 — the biggest five-year drop in nearly 30 years.
The poverty rate for African-American children fell from 46.1 percent in 1993 to 36.7 percent in 1998 — the lowest level in 20 years and the biggest five-year drop on record.
The rate also fell for Hispanic children, from 36.8 percent to 34.4 percent - and is now 6.5 percentage points lower than it was in 1993.
Not to mention he balanced the Federal budget and left a $236 million surplus to George W Bush. Not to mention he did not cause a market meltdown.
He presided over the longest peacetime expansion in US history.
If Obama comes anywhere near this he will be revered as the greatest president in US history. He just has to keep his pants zipped.
By NRB
November 5, 2008 10:06 AM | Link to this
ahem
I’m certain a few of you are waiting to hear my thoughts on this. I’ll be brief, but it’ll be good :)
Yes Obama won. You’d have to be a retard not to think he would.
The entire liberal media complex was in the tank for him from the get go, and they put every cent they had in making sure he won. I’m talking about NBC/ABC/CBS CNN etc. etc. etc. as well as 99% of all newspapers in the country. The drooling liberal homos on CNN were practically falling all over themselves last night when Obama won, blabbing about how historic it is etc. I thought Wolf Blitzer was going to pull out his c0ck and just masturbate on live TV.
Another helping hand was the hundreds of thousands of fake registered voters in the key states. This will never be investigated of course, because that would be racist.
With that said, I found Obama’s speech last night very telling. Some key phrases like “were not a nation of individuals” and “were all going to have to chip in” among others really stood out to me. I think the jerk needs to remember that 48% of the country still thinks hes full of crap and isnt interested in living under a socialist dictator.
You guys are still going to have to work for a living.
You’re still going to have to pay for your own health care.
You’re still responsible for improving your skill set every year in order to earn a better living than you did the year before.
You’re still going to have to study to get good grades.
There will still be people that make more money than you.
In other words, there’s going to be a hell of a lot of disappointed people out there within the next two or three years. But hey, you can still move to Cuba if you like the ideas that Obama has.
By GaNative
November 5, 2008 10:06 AM | Link to this
Dottie, she may not know it yet, but she’ll be a lot better off not working for an azzhole like you.
By pay back
November 5, 2008 10:07 AM | Link to this
jay, the republicans will unite behind Obama just like you did behind President Bush. Dream on!
By Truthman
November 5, 2008 10:10 AM | Link to this
A very well written commentary from today’s Times of London:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/usandamericas/us_elections/article5084748.ece
The whole world watched, and the whole world smiled!
By pj
November 5, 2008 10:10 AM | Link to this
This is a day of Thanksgiving. America has fulfilled it’s promise. Any natural born citizen aged 35 or older can become President of the greatest nation on earth. The entire world appears happy for us and our Goodwill can and will be restored. I have cried tears of joy and shed them unabashedly. None of you nay- sayers can take away from the euphoria and relief the MAJORITY of this wonderful Nation now feels. Have your fun venting and raging. Call us all the foul and insulting names you want. It only re-enforces the many reasons you lost. Our Nations friends still want to be our allies, even more so, the lukewarm receptions from other countries are now talking openly of fellowship and most important of all our enemies see the change and now want to make amends. This is truly a day God has brought and we should all be glad. Thanksgiving and Thank God.
By getalife
November 5, 2008 10:11 AM | Link to this
President Obama Offers Chief Of Staff Job To Congressman Rahm Emanuel.
The Taliban want talks with Obama. The war in Iraq will end. The middle class will make a comeback with Clinton policies.
Change is here.
By Truthman
November 5, 2008 10:15 AM | Link to this
NRB - AND FOX NOISE WASN’T “IN THE TANK” FOR MCSAME AND FAILIN?
Please go call another kettle black. Your argument doesn’t hold water!
By G
November 5, 2008 10:18 AM | Link to this
Last night was the most historic night of my life.
Having grown up in the 60’s watching the Civil Rights movement fight for the basic rights for blacks to dine in the same restaurant as whites, the right to vote, to use the same rest rooms…. witnessing our first African American President-elect….the elation, disbelief, joy, and exhaustive relief that FINALLY this day has come….
I couldn’t be prouder of our country!
By tcoach
November 5, 2008 10:19 AM | Link to this
BD, I never said anyone was trying to take my rights away.
I do feel it hypocritical of those asking some of us to give unyielding support to Obama and they themselves were not willing to do the same 8 years ago.
I was also pointing out the tone of our host insinuating that a failed Obama policy, program or entire presidency would be because of a lack of support from us.
By AF
November 5, 2008 10:19 AM | Link to this
Jay.
Thanks, beautifully said.
We need to find what we hold in common, rather than what divides us, and work from there. I really do believe there is a middle ground on how we address problems of the economy, energy, health care, education, labor rights, immigration, taxes, the environment, and on and on.
I don’t want a “radical left” country. But I have learned that the “radical right” leaves us in shambles, too.
By NRB
November 5, 2008 10:19 AM | Link to this
Wow, Truthman, you really got me there.
One news organization was in the tank for McCain versus 600 or so that were in the tank for Obama.
Well shucks.
By mike hussein smith
November 5, 2008 10:19 AM | Link to this
Management, I don’t know which I enjoy more: your hot flashes or your cold sweats. Rant on, rant on!!!!
By AF
November 5, 2008 10:24 AM | Link to this
Jay.
Thanks, beautifully said.
We need to find what we hold in common, rather than what divides us, and work from there. I really do believe there is a middle ground on how we address problems of the economy, energy, health care, education, labor rights, immigration, taxes, the environment, and on and on.
I don’t want a “radical left” country. But I have learned that the “radical right” leaves us in shambles, too.
By mike hussein smith
November 5, 2008 10:26 AM | Link to this
NRB — Not Real Bright
By Mrs. Godzilla
November 5, 2008 10:29 AM | Link to this
Who get’s Governor Palins red leather jacket?
By Truthman
November 5, 2008 10:30 AM | Link to this
You’re right, NRB!! Americans are mindless automatrons who only react to stimulus directed at them from the idiot box in their living rooms.
Please don’t give the media too much credit. It was regular Americans who rejected eight years of entitlements for the rich, gutting environmental laws, pandering to religious zealots and starting illegal, immoral wars.
I guess the only reason you supported McCain is because you watch FOX and listen to Vannity and Lush? Sounds kinda stupid, doesn’t it?
By saywhat?
November 5, 2008 10:31 AM | Link to this
To AJC/DNC, @@, RW, dusty, dottie,and ragnar etc, Say this with me: President Barack Hussein Obama.
Suck on that for the next eight years.
By tcoach
November 5, 2008 10:32 AM | Link to this
In our current situation, though, the more relevant example may be that set by a candidate who suffered one of the more heartbreaking defeats in U.S. history. Eight years ago, Democrat Al Gore won a plurality of the popular vote but lost the presidency after an extended and bitter legal fight.
In his gracious concession speech, Gore took as a model the words of Sen. Stephen A. Douglas to Lincoln after the 1860 election. “Partisan feeling must yield to patriotism,” Douglas told Lincoln. “I’m with you, Mr. President, and God bless you.”
“I say to President-elect Bush that what remains of partisan rancor must now be put aside,” Gore said that night, “and may God bless his stewardship of this country. … I also accept my responsibility, which I will discharge unconditionally, to honor the new president-elect and do everything possible to help him bring Americans together in fulfillment of the great vision that our Declaration of Independence defines and that our Constitution affirms and defends.”
Hillbilly what is the word after “I will dishcarge”?
Looks like unconditionally to me. That is the quote that Bookman decided to use to support his argument. He could have used any other quote but instead chose one with the word “unconditionally”. Once again you chose to elaborate on my words as well.
When did I say anything about Obama asking for this. Do not read into things I post based upon your preconcieved notions of how a republican thinks or acts. Never once said a single word about how Obama is asking for our support.
Gaygreek, I have on numerous occasions told another poster they were wrong in what they said. I have disagreed and said so to each and every person you listed there. Where are you when it comes to voicing your concern for what is right when it is other liberals saying them, you sir are silent. So do not act like I am only angry cause “the shoe is on the other foot”, I feel it is all wrong and have said so.
Once again people, read the post, not just the name attatched to it.
By Copyleft
November 5, 2008 10:44 AM | Link to this
TCoach: You were asking why you should support President Obama, when we didn’t support Pres. Bush.
I answered: Obama actually won the election. Since Bush did not, there’s no basis for t**-for-tat game-playing there.
By AJC/DNC Management
November 5, 2008 10:48 AM | Link to this
By saywhat? November 5, 2008 10:31 AM To AJC/DNC, @@, RW, dusty, dottie,and ragnar etc, Say this with me: President Barack Hussein Obama. Suck on that for the next eight years.
I guess this is above the pay grade of you liberals, so allow me to explain this in a little more detail.
A McCain victory yesterday would have consigned the Republican party to a minority status for decades to come and probably would have turned it over to the moderates forever.
McCain would not have gotten anything of substance passed into legislation and democrats would have whined and moaned about Republican obstruction 24/7 the whole entire time.
Now, not only can we seize the party back from the spineless moderates, the same moderates who have approval ratings of 22%, we can sit back and watch you screw everything up, incurring the wrath of the American people.
Did you really believe you are going to be able to keep all of your promises?
Puh-leeze.
Welcome back, Reaganism.
Great to see you again.
By Fly_on_the_Wall
November 5, 2008 10:51 AM | Link to this
Here’s one of the many interesting things I’ve noticed in the posts today. Many of the Republicans are now saying that they won’t follow along with Obama’s call to pull this country together even though they were calling us traitors for not agreeing and following W to the bitter end. Bush was the president so we have to do whatever he asks regardless was they mantra so why now are they not saying the same thing for Obama? He was the duly elected president by a far larger margin then GWB ever got.
I guess since the shoe is on the other foot they don’t like it. We’ll hear their school yard talk of ‘he’s not my president, I didn’t vote for him’ and other such childishness. They told us for 8 years to ‘get over it’ but now they can’t get over this.
Andy/DUH says that the Republican Party was too liberal and reached too many times across the aisle. But this IS what Ray-gun did all the time so how can you say the RP should get back to the way Ronny did it? Also, why now are you pointing out from AmSpec that Bush’s fiscal policies were so bad? If I remember you’ve been supporting them up till today. What gives? Got a change of heart?
By Truthman
November 5, 2008 10:52 AM | Link to this
Great quote from The Australian!
IT IS a sublime moment - Barack Obama to succeed George W. Bush, an affirmation of America, its foundation mission, its abiding dreams.
The American people have turned the page. This is more than a vote for change. It is a act of renewal, a turning point in American history and a quest for a better nation.
The American people chose Obama yet most of the world also wanted Obama - that invests his Presidency with a potential authority unknown in history and an opportunity to touch not just Americans but people around the world.
The world rejoices with us!!
By tcoach
November 5, 2008 10:59 AM | Link to this
Oh I must have missed how Bush did not win both elections. Maybe one he lost the popular vote. The other?
Anyway it is the system, and we all agree to play by the rules of the game. So in a way Bush did win. He won at the game maybe not the way YOU, oh great thinker, would have wanted but he was recognized as the winner.
Also Copyleft, that is not what I was asking at all. I was stating that I feel it is our duty to question all those in authority and leadership positions. While it seems to you there are 2 different set of rules for who we should question. Apparently from your post we already know your feelings, which are we should only criticise and question republicans and should support all democrats. That sir is nothing shy of hypocrisy.
By Capitalist
November 5, 2008 11:03 AM | Link to this
Soixante huitard
“And you will learn to live with our pride.”
Exactly! And that is why I’ve proposed a capitalistic approach. (I’d be much prouder making a few $$ ) Rather than waiting on a government hand-out funded with redistribution. Shoot, who knows? With enough orders I might even be able to hire a few workers at min. wage.
Have you any idea how many red-necks would buy a Tee shirt with a picture of Michelle captioned with “4 the 1st time in my life”—“I’m ashamed of my country” (a play on her now famous comment?)
Gee, I’d bet I’d become a millionaire over night and help feed our new Pres’s agenda with higher taxes. THAT Would Make Me Proud!
By saywhat?
November 5, 2008 11:06 AM | Link to this
Hey AJC/DNC,Bush was so bad, that in 8 years, all the Democratic nominee will have to say is “Look what happened when you elected a Republican after the eight great years of prosperity under Clinton. Do you want to make that mistake again?” Bush’s failure was so epic, that he will hold back republicans for a loooooonnnnng time.
The next 12 to 16 years will see only Democrats in the Whitehouse.
By pj
November 5, 2008 11:06 AM | Link to this
AP has un-called the race for Coleman. Oh no, another recount. Personally I like Coleman bot I hope Al Frankin wins.
To Dottie: Drop dead you ignorant excuse for a human being. Talk like yours is what turned the election. I could call you all kinds of ugly names to go with your ugly attitude but your not worth it. I hope your business does well under the Obama plan so that so can continue to call him out of his name while begrudging your own success. Remember the sins of the father are visited upon their children so that the words you speak and the name you call others may well come home to roost.
By Truthman
November 5, 2008 11:19 AM | Link to this
tcoach, Yes I am aware, and if the shoe fits, wear it!!
Actually, pj, I just went to the Minneapolis Star-Tribune and they are reporting a Coleman win. However, Franken has said he will exercise his right to a recount.
By williebkind
November 5, 2008 11:26 AM | Link to this
congrats liberals This election kinda reminds me of the ascension of julius ceasar to emperor and the doing away with the republic. I am sure there were dancing in the streets, orgies, feasts of all kinds, and googling all the websites(just kidding about the websites—al gore had not invented it yet). It is your turn in the barrel. On Jan 21, 2009 I will enter all the blogs and post “OBAMA LIED! OBAMA LIED! OBAMA LIED! You are invited to join me for the next four years.
By Soixante huitard
November 5, 2008 11:29 AM | Link to this
And just to clarify, Capitalist, when I said “And you will learn to live with our pride.” I did not mean to imply that as a command but more as a statement of fact and inevitability.
By kuhg
November 5, 2008 11:31 AM | Link to this
HOWARD..HOWARD..HOWARD DEAN..anybody seen howard?
By Truthman
November 5, 2008 11:32 AM | Link to this
williebdumb…HATER!!
By Truthman
November 5, 2008 11:37 AM | Link to this
YOU GO, GARY!!
By gtforever
November 5, 2008 11:44 AM | Link to this
What a tragedy, A once GREAT nation finally stumbles to Socialism.
By Paul
November 5, 2008 11:46 AM | Link to this
Truthman 10:15, 10:30
[[NRB - AND FOX NOISE WASN’T “IN THE TANK” FOR MCSAME AND FAILIN? Please go call another kettle black. Your argument doesn’t hold water!]]
It would appear not, regarding the news division. According to the Project for Excellence in Journalism of the Pew Research Center, Oct 29, Fox News’ coverage of McCain and Obama was 40 percent negative (dead even), 22 percent positive for McCain, 25 percent positive for Obama. Much more balanced than the other networks.
Copyleft 10:44
[[Obama actually won the election. Since Bush did not, there’s no basis for t**-for-tat game-playing there.]]
So you don’t believe in the rule of law and adhering to Court decisions? We can pick and choose which laws to follow?
Gary 10:30
[[Attacked and took over two countries.]]
Well, then you’re gonna love Pres Obama. He’s going to increase troops in one of those countries. Plus he has stated he will invade other countries, and this is important, where there are no US national security interests.
Don’t that just make you feel good?
[[First president in decades to execute a federal prisoner]]
Care to make the case that Timothy McVeigh deserved to live?
[[Signed more laws…amending the Constitution than any president in US history.]]
You need a new source for your talking points! LOL! Let’s see, Congress passes legislation, the Pres signs, and your talking point source thinks this “amends the Constitution”? LOLOLOL!!!
[[My presidency is the most secretive and un-accountable of any in US history.]]
Ever heard of Franklin Delano Roosevelt?
[[First president in US history to have all 50 states of the Union simultaneously go bankrupt.]]
You’re embarrassing yourself. I think I’ll stop reading your post. The thought people believe this stuff is… oh my goodness, fear is back!
By pj
November 5, 2008 11:51 AM | Link to this
Truthman, Minnesota State Law requires a recount when the vote is less than a 1% difference. Now if Frankin conceded it would be a different matter.
And to all you Ranters, Ravers, Screamers and Shouters we welcome the chance to clean up this mess and show you how this Country can be run correctly. Hell, were working from scratch and the only way is up from here.
By Lord Help Us
November 5, 2008 11:53 AM | Link to this
To all the truly devoted ‘conservatives’ still wailing the SOCIALISM nonsense,
I have a suggestion…
Please make sure and nominate a candidate in 2012 that promises to eliminate Social Security, Medicare and Income Taxes COMPLETELY. And, any other socialistic aspects of our nation…
Please…
By cc
November 5, 2008 11:54 AM | Link to this
As far as I am concern the 96% of blacks who voted for this idiot can all go to hell. I guess you all are moving in with Obama when he paints the white house black and setting up the bbq grills and roasting pigs and eating watermelons. I’m one of the 4% who didn’t vote for socialism and I for one am ashame to call myself black. Because most of you are just looking for a hand out and welfare from Obama. Good luck! This country just went to hell in a hand basket.
By Truthman
November 5, 2008 11:56 AM | Link to this
To paraphrase Nelson Muntz:
“You’re such a stupid moron/you make people want to punch you/George Bush is super-gay/punch, punch, punch, punch, wedgie!”
By Gary
November 5, 2008 11:57 AM | Link to this
Paul
Enjoy the rest of the idiots Term in office. After his time is up you’ll actually have to get a life! Yes FEAR is back and right now you’re terrified! It feels sooooooo good to know that great things are coming to this country!
By Soc
November 5, 2008 11:58 AM | Link to this
Oh my, This is so very entertaining. As a blue person living in a red state you sore loser fear mongerers are making my day. YOU LOST!(oh, that gives me goosebumps).
You lost because you continue to think that the ONLY way to make this country better is YOUR way. You had 8 Presidential years and 10 of the last 12 Congressional years to make it better. Not one of you…not one…can say you are better off TODAY than you were 8 years ago. You continue to promote fear, hate and guilt by association as a mechanism to make the country better. It didn’t work…It won’t work…Division as means to make American society better is dead. Your kids recognize it and even you do late at night when nobody else is watching. But keep sending out the hate…it is most amusing to see you hoisted by your own petards. It’s time to heal….well it will be on Inauguration day…in the meantime….YOU RACE BAITING, CLOSET NAZI BUNCH OF HYPOCRITES LOST!!!! ROFL!!!! Goodness that feels great.
By Truthman
November 5, 2008 12:00 PM | Link to this
Paul said “So you don’t believe in the rule of law and adhering to Court decisions? We can pick and choose which laws to follow?”
Your W picked and chose more than 700 times with his “signing statements,” which was him essentially thumbing his nose at Congress and the will of the people.
Your argument it specious!
By pj
November 5, 2008 12:02 PM | Link to this
I wish all your Media haters were this riled up when they did not do their jobs in researching the lead up to the war in Iraq. So many lives, so much money and our reputation in the world could have been saved.
By Truthman
November 5, 2008 12:02 PM | Link to this
I doubt “cc” is Black…just sounds like the other grumpy, white folk on here today.
By middled aged white Atlantan
November 5, 2008 12:03 PM | Link to this
“It is his supporters who threatened to burn down Atlanta if he did not win. What kind of people threaten to destroy their own town if they don’t get what they want?”
I live in downtown Atlanta and trust me, there has not been a word spoken about anything of the sort! It is just one more lie fed to frightened, gullible, small-minded people with the sole intent of discrediting one of the most inspiring candidates in generations!
What Atlantans have seen instead are college kids from all our area universities getting involved in the political process for the first time, businesses and homeowners displaying political signs instead of remaining apathic and senior citizens realizing that they have a chance of seeing something they never expected to happen in their lifetimes. All in all- one of the most positive experiences of my 53 years. God Bless America and our next President, Barack Obama.
By cubalibre
November 5, 2008 12:09 PM | Link to this
You know what? I’m so happy that I can’t even give the naysayers on this board the head-shaking that I usually do. I don’t look at Obama as a messiah— but for sure, his election is the surest sign that people in this country of ours are ready to move forward, not only politically, but socially and morally. We looked at the way things have been, saw a candidate who could be a catalyst for the change we knew we desperately needed, and WE ACTED. WE PUT OUR COUNTRY FIRST!!! It’s for those reasons that, for the first time in a LONG time, I feel that I can hold my head up high, and be truly proud to be an American. The winds of change are blowing, and while I’m sure that there will be those who cling with a death-grip to the race-baiting, hate-mongering past, I don’t care. Let them be left behind and slowly slide into extinction, like the dinosaurs they are. Years later, when our children come across the fossilized remains of their dead philosophies, they’ll shake their heads in wonder at how people could ever have thought like that. Today, I’m just glad to be alive, and wish all of you here a beautiful day! Cheers!
By ARG
November 5, 2008 12:10 PM | Link to this
There is no stopping us now,we’re on the move!
All this negativity is very ignorant, so there is really no point arguing with fools cause from a distance who can tell who’s who!
Change Is Coming
By ARG
November 5, 2008 12:12 PM | Link to this
There is no stopping us now,we’re on the move!
All this negativity is very ignorant, so there is really no point arguing with fools cause from a distance who can tell who’s who!
Change Is Coming
By ARG
November 5, 2008 12:13 PM | Link to this
There is no stopping us now,we’re on the move!
All this negativity is very ignorant, so there is really no point arguing with fools cause from a distance who can tell who’s who!
Change Is Coming
By Paul
November 5, 2008 12:16 PM | Link to this
Gary 11:57
I take your response to mean you do not care to provide background or justification for the questions I raised in my 11:46.
This is what happens when one recites talking points without considering the implications.
And what makes you think I enjoyed this term? I thought Obama supporters were going to shed the “you’re with us or against us” mentality? Wait, that was Bush’s phrase. But the concept was adopted by Obama supporters. See? You do have a lot in common!
Truthman 12:00
My question was not regarding Pres Bush’s signing statements. It was regarding Copyleft’s continuing assertions that the US Supreme Court is limited in the cases it can review, or that if one disagrees with the decision, it somehow isn’t ‘valid law’ to be obeyed.
By ARG
November 5, 2008 12:16 PM | Link to this
There is no stopping us now,we’re on the move!
All this negativity is very ignorant, so there is really no point arguing with fools cause from a distance who can tell who’s who!
Change Is Coming
By williebkind
November 5, 2008 12:17 PM | Link to this
TESTING! TESTING! TESTING FOR CENSORSHIP! TESTING! TESTING! TESTING FOR CENSORSHIP! TESTING! TESTING! TESTING FOR CENSORSHIP! TESTING! TESTING! TESTING FOR CENSORSHIP! I have sent several posts and they are not being added to this blog. hmmm Marxist at work.
By Tigerfan_in_GA
November 5, 2008 12:19 PM | Link to this
God help us!
By cc
November 5, 2008 12:21 PM | Link to this
cublibre, I am black and just because I’m not one of those mindless sheep following behind the Messiah looking for a hand out means I think for myself and not a group mentality. He will never be my president, I will never address him as my president and I will never become a supporter or give that man any kind of respect. If he was lying in a street I would spit on him.
By American Banker
November 5, 2008 12:30 PM | Link to this
“I say to President-elect Bush that what remains of partisan rancor must now be put aside,” Gore said that night, “and may God bless his stewardship of this country. … I also accept my responsibility, which I will discharge unconditionally, to honor the new president-elect and do everything possible to help him bring Americans together in fulfillment of the great vision that our Declaration of Independence defines and that our Constitution affirms and defends.”
Let’s certainly hope that Senator McCain holds true his words. Mr. Gore certainly did not. An historic event for our country and if Mr. Obama is the one that can bring together those on the far left and those on the far right and ease both sides hate and disdain for each other, more power to him. Those of us that are in the middle are waiting for you.
By pj
November 5, 2008 12:30 PM | Link to this
Truthman I agree, I don’t think shes black either. But just in case she is:
cc take your scarf head back to the “massers” kitchen where you belong you self hating fool. Only a person of true ignorance could have stated the things you did and still have any self respect. I don’t begrudge you your vote, this is after all America but to degrade the choice of anyone else is down right primitive. You are the type that called the overseer when her fellow slaves tried to escape. You kept riding the bus during the boycott. You enjoy your second class citizenship. Many of yesterday’s voters lived through the dark times of this nation that many now take for granted. Many of them were young, enlightened and hopeful for the future. You are worst than the worst white racist. Go back to the cotton field where you belong and maybe you’ll miss this Peace Train.
By T
November 5, 2008 12:31 PM | Link to this
Once again, evidence that there is a double-standard. The Dems have been bashing Bush and the Republicans for years, and that’s OK and that’s their right. But yet, when I disagree with the Dems, I am accused of hate-mongering and racism. Bookman wants us to blindly follow Obama and never disagree, but yet he didn’t do this with Bush. The Dems always speak out of both sides of their mouths. Bookman and the Dems say they want unity. If this is indeed the truth from them, we will see it by their actions as Obama’s presidency moves forward. I suspect we will get the same thing from them we have always gotten - partisianship and blindly following the Democractic party, no matter what the actual issues are.
By atlsitcom
November 5, 2008 12:34 PM | Link to this
I cant wait for change… but I wonder what it is? will be like a birthday present? a new car? Im able to afford a house of my dreams, but wouldnt that make me rich? that means the black man would take it way if Im rich, gosh, I guess the black man wants me to live in a van down by the river…
By American Banker
November 5, 2008 12:34 PM | Link to this
“I say to President-elect Bush that what remains of partisan rancor must now be put aside,” Gore said that night, “and may God bless his stewardship of this country. … I also accept my responsibility, which I will discharge unconditionally, to honor the new president-elect and do everything possible to help him bring Americans together in fulfillment of the great vision that our Declaration of Independence defines and that our Constitution affirms and defends.”
Let’s certainly hope that Senator McCain holds true his words. Mr. Gore certainly did not. An historic event for our country and if Mr. Obama is the one that can bring together those on the far left and those on the far right and ease both sides hate and disdain for each other, more power to him. Those of us that are in the middle are waiting for you.
By TN Gelding
November 5, 2008 12:38 PM | Link to this
cc
November 5, 2008 12:21 PM
Spoken like a “real” American.
I hope you’re proud of yourself.
By Gary
November 5, 2008 12:40 PM | Link to this
Paul
First why would I respond to what is an obvious attempt at a stupid they said you said childish Debate. Bush’s record speaks for itself regardless of how it’s worded. History has already been written, sorry to rub it in but HE IS THE WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. What’s done is done the election is over and the people have spoken. There is no need to debate. You said:
“I thought Obama supporters were going to shed the “you’re with us or against us” mentality? Wait, that was Bush’s phrase. But the concept was adopted by Obama supporters. See? You do have a lot in common!”
I never stated that. I merely said that you were, as most of the die hard republican white trash people in this country are……. Afraid! Because you (Bush and his supporters) adapted the attitude that you’re either with us or against us and you’re now afraid of retaliation. But since we’re not A#@holes of the magnitude like some people, retaliation isn’t something anyone should have to fear for speaking their minds. It’s just funny though that the shoe is on the other foot now and how much you hate it. Freedom, gee we just might get that back after January 20th 2009 Huh? Fear, no, enlightenment, enjoyment, relief, yes Definitely! It is a great day to be an American citizen once again!
By American Banker
November 5, 2008 12:42 PM | Link to this
“I say to President-elect Bush that what remains of partisan rancor must now be put aside,” Gore said that night, “and may God bless his stewardship of this country. … I also accept my responsibility, which I will discharge unconditionally, to honor the new president-elect and do everything possible to help him bring Americans together in fulfillment of the great vision that our Declaration of Independence defines and that our Constitution affirms and defends.”
Let’s hope Senator McCain holds true to his words. Mr. Gore certainly did not. An historic day for our country no doubt. If Obama is the one to bring together the far left and far right and help tone down their hatred and disdain for each other, more power to him. Those of us in the middle will be waiting for you.
By atlsitcom
November 5, 2008 12:45 PM | Link to this
I cant wait for change… but I wonder what it is? will be like a birthday present? a new car? Im able to afford a house of my dreams, but wouldnt that make me rich? that means the black man would take it way if Im rich, gosh, I guess the black man wants me to live in a van down by the river…
By cc
November 5, 2008 12:57 PM | Link to this
PJ, yes I am black but at least I know who my mother and father are. You probably are sitting at home collecting that welfare check due to the fact you don’t even know who your baby daddy is.
I choose to vote for the person who would do serve this country and Obama wasn’t my choice. But I thought this was America I had the choice to pick that person who best represented my views and my values. But I can see you are just like the rest looking for a handout and more welfare that way you don’t have to get off your butt and do some real work.
By Gerald Ford
November 5, 2008 1:04 PM | Link to this
Ladies and gentlemen, our long national nightmare, called the Bush administration is FINALLY over. Let us now move forward with renewed vigor and fresh ideas. President Bush and his followers will soon be relegated to the dust bin of history. To be used as examples to all of how NOT to run any governmental policies. Under President Obama, the lustre and reputation of the USA can be restored to the brilliance it once was again, worldwide. Peace to All!
By pj
November 5, 2008 1:19 PM | Link to this
cc: My lifetime resume puts you and your assumptions to shame. I am the daughter of a disables Korean War vet (I was born in Anchorage. Alaska at a military hospital) who was married to my mother until he died. I am the wife of 26 years to a retired military man with three grown children(none of whom has had any children out of wedlock either). My son is currently in the U S Air Force and just recently returned from Iraq. I have a College Degree and have worked all my adult life as an accountant and property manager. I am a proud American and prouder yet today. But even if I were a welfare queen I would still have more class than you. You are a self hater and an ignoramus. Take your uneducated, unaware, unenlightened and unconscious opinions and stick them where the sun doesn’t shine. But you’ll probably need a map to find it. Stay in shadow land where you belong and help your race by keeping out of sight.
By cc-too real
November 5, 2008 1:20 PM | Link to this
And on that note I could give a rat’s a$$ what the rest of the world thinks about the US. They can all kiss my butt too.
By Paul
November 5, 2008 1:25 PM | Link to this
Gary 12:40
Ummm, it wasn’t a ‘they said you said.’ You listed a whole litany of items to illustrate how horrible Pres Bush is. I referenced three – one was invading Afghanistan. Pres-elect Obama agreed with the decision and in fact will increase the troop levels.
Another was how terrible it was that Pres Bush was the first Pres in a long, long time to execute a federal prisoner. I just asked why you thought Timothy McVeigh deserved to live. I didn’t even ask why you didn’t think it was terrible that Pres Clinton sought the death penalty.
The third had to do with your assertion that a Pres signing laws passed by Congress, or signing statements, somehow changes the Constitution.
Wow. Just read the rest of your post. Pretty hysterical. Don’t tell me we’ve just traded the farfarneoconRight for the farfaruberoverallLeft? Eeek!
Umm, how do you know I’m die hard? Or Republican? Or white trash?
I could be die easily. Or a Democrat. or Green. Or Black Trash. Or Black Elite. or White Elite.
Soooo, back to my original questions. Talking points kinda break down, don’t they?
By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century
November 5, 2008 1:27 PM | Link to this
So I gotta ask! Is Dusty (and the rest of the neocons here) going to be good little Patriots and support their President no matter what.. Especially since they often chastised us about this with Dubya’… (LOL).. C’mon’ SUPPORT YOUR PRESIDENT!..
Sadly I did not get to vote.. Georgia’s new Picture ID Law denied ME (a tax paying Georgia citizen) the right to vote. I don’t know if it has stopped a single case of fraud, but the photo ID law denied and cost a registered voter his constitutional right to vote. I’d say that counts as fraud too…
I was at meetings all day, and I arrived at my polling place close to closing time, and when I arrived I had forgotten my driver liscence (along with a credit card I had used at Wally Mart). It was sitting at home on my table- I was less than 15 minutes away and could have returned with it, and I had plenty of other id’ and info on hand.. But No! Not enough time —!
So even though I was at the polling place and a ligitimately registered voter, No Picture - No Vote!…Your constitutional right to Vote is now Denied….
Not that it matters though since I was voting for Bob Barr..
By cc
November 5, 2008 1:37 PM | Link to this
PJ I really couldn’t give a crap about you or your sorry a$$ life. All I care about is my family and my life and I’ll be damn if I have to give one red cent to the lowlifes who voted for Obama. Once again I don’t care about you and anyone else. Yes, I am one of the selfish who want to keep the money they earned and not have my pay redistributed to some lazy a$$ person who feels they have been put down by the “white man”. I have worked all my life and have a lot to be proud of too. Two beautiful successful children who don’t depend on the government for a handout. Not like that stupid woman who said “if I help him he will help me.” She thinks she doesn’t have to worry about paying her mortgage or gas for her car. What, is she going to move in with him. So with that said I will continue not to support the Socialist and I hope we all live through these next 4 years.
By citizen
November 5, 2008 1:37 PM | Link to this
The next shoe to drop in this financial crisis may be with credit cards and/or car loans. For decades, the whole world’s economy has benefited from our debt-driven over consupmtion. If Pres-elect Obama chooses the old guard for his economic team there will be no fresh ideas on how to survive with less debt. If we have to borrow the $600 Billion for an infrastructure stimulus package to create jobs that just means we are slipping away from the very basis of self-determination that this Country was built upon. Can we continue to borrow our way to prosperity?
By pj
November 5, 2008 1:40 PM | Link to this
cc: Sarah Palin called for you and said she need you to clean her kitchen. That’s about all your good for. Crawl back under that rock you came from you slug (sorry to insult slugs).
By the way, where were you educated, your grammar is terrible. Is English your first language? Oh, I forget slaves don’t receive an education.
By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century
November 5, 2008 1:47 PM | Link to this
Good point citizen.. My feelings are - If we have to borrow money or print more money (devaluating our worth) to do something by our government - then DON’T~!
It is time to make realistic national budgets and set taxes appropritely to precisely cover just our required nation’s expenses, and thus end the Bush bottomless cookie jar effect.
So- on that note! What does everyone think about this stunt that Bush, Cheeny, and the oil companies are pulling so that the gas prices are so low. In short this is so Dubya’ and the gang can say their administration left office with the gas prices about the same as when they came into office…
Now what do you think? — Do you think gas will be $4 - maybe $5 after Obama’s inaugauration? So… all the spin doctoring neocons can say - See! - I Told YAH SO!….? Obama made our gas prices higher….!
By Copyleft
November 5, 2008 1:47 PM | Link to this
Sorry, Paul, I didn’t realize you were still confused by Bush v Gore.
Article II of the Constitution should clear it up for you.
State legislature have the exclusive authority to determine how they will choose presidential electors. The Supreme Court cannot step in and set deadlines, halt recounts, or take any other action that interferes with this authority.
By cc
November 5, 2008 1:51 PM | Link to this
Pj ask you mother she’s still mopping up in my kitchen.
By Amelia
November 5, 2008 1:57 PM | Link to this
For all of you that suddenly hate America, let me remind you Delta is ready when you are, and you can sail east on the Atlantic as surely as you can sail west. Put your heart in America or get your donkey out.
The great appeal of President Elect Obama is his ability to bring people together. We don’t need him to solve our problems. If he can bring us together we can solve our own problems, and we don’t need those of you who would drive us apart. That’s so 20th century.
By Suffering Fools Madly
November 5, 2008 2:02 PM | Link to this
From the AJC, “Democrats said Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry was actively seeking appointment as secretary of State in the new administration.”
Now God is just yanking our chain.
By Dottie
November 5, 2008 2:03 PM | Link to this
pj, my business will do good because of me, not a government..and sans one black employee this moring
By Paul
November 5, 2008 2:03 PM | Link to this
Copyleft
But those procedures cannot conflict with other Constitutional provisions. And that’s what the Court held.
By middled aged white Atlantan
November 5, 2008 2:09 PM | Link to this
By Truthman
November 5, 2008 12:02 PM | Link to this
I doubt “cc” is Black…just sounds like the other grumpy, white folk on here today.
That was my first thought too. Then seeing cc’s follow up statement, I just feel bad about the level of his self-hatred.
By pj
November 5, 2008 2:13 PM | Link to this
CC: I’d get your mother except you weren’t born from a human you slug. That makes your mother a slimy slug you toothless, ignorant scarf head. I hope my mother brought a broom to sweep your dirt floor for I’m sure that’s all you can afford you bottom feeder. Why don’t you get one of your good-for-nothing children to help. You are one worthless piece of flesh. I noticed you didn’t mention a husband to go along with your illegitimate kids. Were you artificially inseminated or to ugly?
By cc
November 5, 2008 2:27 PM | Link to this
PJ what’s PJ for Pu$$y job. Probably some Lesbo bee-othch who also didn’t mention a husband. I have a husband if you must know. And as far as you are concerned you are a piece of $hit and I’m tired of wasting my time with $hit. Go with the rest of your Obama a$$ kissers and hope for change cause that’s all you and your sorry a$$ will be getting in the years coming.
By pj
November 5, 2008 2:33 PM | Link to this
Dottie: Good luck and God Bless. I hope you own your own fire department too in case of an emergency because that’s a government agency also. You folks who think they are so independent of any government kill me. If a hurricane came through you would be the first one in the FEMA line. I hope catastrphy never hits you because you might need help from your local, state or federal government. I hope the road that leads to your business never get any potholes or the traffic lights stop working. Don’t pay your business licence to your locality and see how long you stay open. Government is a necessary evil in all our lives so don’t think you can do without it.
By Copyleft
November 5, 2008 2:43 PM | Link to this
Paul: Yes, and the rationale they gave for stopping the recount was that it would “harm Bush’s legitimacy,” a specious reason if ever there was one.
Why would an honest recount of every legal vote really do “irreparable harm to the legitimacy” of Bush’s term… if said recount would show that he actually HAD won?
There’s a lot of legal argument back and forth on that issue. Respecting the rule of law doesn’t mean I have to agree with every ruling; in fact, I’ve disagreed with the Supreme Court on many points, and I expect I will in the future too.
In the instance of Bush v Gore, I reject the legitimacy of the Court’s ruling, as do many legal scholars. And yet I’m not touting anarchy… how hypocritial of me, huh?
By AmVet
November 5, 2008 2:45 PM | Link to this
The choices for the Republican Party are now as appetizing as a shiite sandwich without the bread.
Who the hell are these guys? They do not have the first clue. Just ask them.
Are they “conservatives”? They cannot even identify what one is, much less claim to be that.
Are they “moderates”? To the extent that Marx was moderate, I suppose so.
Are they “liberals”? Yes, but only in the economic sense of taking other people’s money and giving it away to their paymasters and cronies on Wall Street and K Street.
Are they neo-cons? Yes, but they won’t own up to it.
And what about their “platform”? What are the issues and principles they stand for? (Other than platitudes and fear-mongering of course).
And where do they go now? Will they become even more entrenched in their awful non-conservative agenda?
Actual American conservatism would seem the likely choice, but it’s never going to happen with these frauds and charlatans.
A train wreck that has gone off a bridge, burst into flames and was hauling a toxic load.
This one is not going to be pretty….
By dw
November 5, 2008 2:54 PM | Link to this
I truly don’t care the color or sex of the individual in the office of the Presidency. Any and all have the ability. But the politics/ideology of that individual I think can fall into questionability. I find it hard to support, on other subjects related to furthering/bettering people, individuals that say they are looking out for mankind and yet vehemently support/allow the continued systematic destruction of unborn children. I can’t understand how people can look into the mirror and call themselves a good and/or moral individual and yet vehemently think nothing of the continued deaths. Now comes the standard lib response of freedom of choice. I agree with you, you have the freedom of choice, to not get pregnant. Once that transpires, though, there is another individual/soul in the equation. As much as you would like to ignore that fact, it is still a fact. There has got to be a better way.
By Paul
November 5, 2008 2:58 PM | Link to this
Copyleft 2:43
If I recall correctly, the Gore team expressly did not want a recount of every legal vote in the state. In fact, they quite fought it. What they wanted was a recount only in those locations where they thought they might benefit.
Court’s pretty free to use whatever reasoning they want for cases. Happens all the time. Happened with that last case for habeas corpus for noncitizens captured on the battlefield. Justice Roberts summed up the introductory basis for the majority opinion as “you know all that stuff we told you, Congress, and you, Executive, to do so it’d be all nice and legal? Well, we see you did it, but now we say: we were only kidding! See, this is what we want now…”
Many see it as unfortunate, but it happens all the time. With a lot of decisions.
As Bosch said (and I wonder where he heard it…) “Life isn’t fair.”
Good on you to not reject anarchy. I guess you must agree with Justice Scalia’s assertion that the reason so many seek judicial redress is that it’s easier to find a judge to grant relief where there is no basis in law, than it is to convince one’s fellow citizens and legislators to enact a law to provide for what they want.
By The Tattler
November 5, 2008 2:58 PM | Link to this
Jay! Jay! cc is breaking the rules!
By The Tattler
November 5, 2008 2:59 PM | Link to this
Jay! Jay! cc and pj are breaking the rules!
By pj
November 5, 2008 3:08 PM | Link to this
cc: You can’t read either. I should have known by the way you write, just ignorant. The best part of your blog is how you can’t seem to put two words together that make sense. Quick. how much is one plus one you uneducated nincompoop. A mind is a terrible thing to waste and you are proof of that. Pick up dictionary and a thesaurus (that’s for synonyms stupid) then start off with “Fun with Dick and Jane” then maybe you will learn a better vocabulary. Yours is pretty limited.
P.S…My husband says hi to your fake one.
By cc-too real
November 5, 2008 3:22 PM | Link to this
I wouldn’t consider a blow up doll a husband but I guess that’s the best you could do PJ. Which means he’s probably just as brain dead as you.
Later… I’m going where there is intelligent life. I guess they are not joking about hicks in the South. Country black folks.
By CommunistAJC
November 5, 2008 3:28 PM | Link to this
Well, to all my conservative comrades on this blog. He won. We lost. I’ve accepted it and now Barrack Hussein Obama is my president. Now, here is a good read.
Not the end of the world
It’s easy to let yourself go in despair and start thinking things like “We are well-and-truly f***” or “This is the worst of all possible outcomes”. But it isn’t true.
I think this election is going to be a “coming of age” moment for a lot of people. They say, “Be careful what you wish for” and a lot of people got their wish yesterday.
And now they’re bound to be disappointed. Not even Jesus could satisfy all the expectations of Obama’s most vocal supporters, or fulfill all the promises Obama has made.
I think Obama is going to turn out to be the worst president since Carter, and for the same reason: good intentions do not guarantee good results. Idealists often stub their toes on the wayward rocks of reality, and fall on their faces. And the world doesn’t respond to benign behavior benignly.
But there’s another reason why: Obama has been hiding his light under a basket. A lot of people bought a pig in a poke today, and now they’re going to find out what they bought. Obama isn’t what most of them think he is. The intoxication of the cult will wear off, leaving a monumental hangover.
And four years from now they’ll be older and much wiser.
A lot of bad things are going to happen during this term. But I don’t think that this is an irreversible catastrophe for the union. I’ve lived long enough to absorb this basic truth: the US is too large and too strong to destroy in just 4 years. Or even in 8. We survived 6 years of Nixon. We survived 4 years of Carter. We even survived 8 years of Clinton, God alone knows how.
The President of the United States is the most powerful political figure in the world, but as national executives go his powers are actually quite restricted. Obama will become President, but he won’t be dictator or king, let alone deity. He still has to work with the House and the Senate, and he still has to live within Constitutional restrictions, and with a judiciary that he mostly didn’t appoint.
The main reason this will be a “coming of age” moment is that now Obama and the Democrats have to put up or shut up. Obama got elected by making himself a blank slate, with vapid promises about “hope” and “change” — but now he actually has to do something. Now he has to reveal his true agenda. And with the Democrats also having a majority in both chambers of Congress, now the Democrats really have to lead. And they’re not going to do a very good job of it. It’s going to be amusing to watch.
And the people who fell for the demagoguery will learn an invaluable lesson.
Oh, the Democrats try to blame failure on Republican filibusters, of which there will be many. But that’s always been a factor in our system, and many people believe it’s an important check on government excess. The tradition in the Senate is that it is supposed to be a buffer against transient political fads, and the filibuster is a major part of that.
If the Democrats go all in, and change the filibuster rule, then they’ll have truly seized the nettle with both hands and won’t have any excuses any longer. That’s why they won’t do it. It’s their last fig-leaf. But even with the filibuster rule in place, they’ll be stuck trying to deliver now on all the promises implied, or inferred, during this election. The Republicans can only filibuster on bills the Democrats have already proposed.
And it ain’t possible for the Democrats to deliver what’s been promised. Gonna be a hell of a lot of disillusioned lefties out there. A lot of people who felt they were deceived. A lot of people who will eventually realize that the Obama campaign was something of a cult.
Disillusionment will turn to a feeling of betrayal. And that will, in turn, convert to anger.
In the mean time, Obama and Congressional Democrats will do things that cause harm, but very little of it will be irreversible.
I would have enjoyed watching lefty heads explode if McCain had won. But we’re going to see lefty heads exploding anyway; it’s just going to take longer.
In the mean time, those of us who didn’t want Obama to be president have to accept that he is. And let’s not give in to the kind of paranoid fever dreams that have consumed the left for the last 8 years. Let us collectively take a vow tonight: no “Obama derangement syndrome”. Obama is a politician. He isn’t the devil incarnate.
So what are the good sides of what just happened?
It is no longer possible for anyone to deny that the MSM is heavily biased. The MSM have been biased for decades but managed an illusion of fairness. That is no longer possible; the MSM have squandered their credibility during this campaign. They’ll never get that credibility back again.
Since the Democrats got nearly everything they hoped for in this campaign, they’ll have no excuses and will have to produce. They’ll have to reveal their true agenda — or else make clear that they don’t really have any beyond gaining power.
Every few decades the American people have to be reminded that peace only comes with strength. The next four years will be this generation’s lesson.
Now, a few predictions for the next four years:
Obama’s “hold out your hand to everyone” foreign policy is going to be a catastrophe. They’ll love it in Europe. They’re probably laughing their heads off about it in the middle east already.
The US hasn’t suffered a terrorist attack by al Qaeda since 9/11, but we’ll get at least one during Obama’s term.
We’re going to lose in Afghanistan.
Iran will get nuclear weapons. There will be nuclear war between Iran and Israel. (This is the only irreversibly terrible thing I see upcoming, and it’s very bad indeed.)
There will eventually be a press backlash against Obama which will make their treatment of Bush look mild. Partly that’s going to be because Obama is going to disappoint them just as much as all his other supporters. Partly it will be the MSM desperately trying to regain its own credibility, by trying to show that they’re not in his tank any longer. And because of that they are eventually going to do the reporting they should have done during this campaign, about Obama’s less-than-savory friends, and about voter fraud, and about illegal fund-raising, and about a lot of other things.
and 6. Obama will not be re-elected in 2012. He may even end up doing an LBJ and not even running again.
One last thing: I’m not saying I’m happy with this outcome. I would much rather have had McCain win. But this is not the end of the world, or the end of this nation. We’ve survived much worse.
And now we need to show the lefties how to lose. Our mission for the next four years is to be in opposition without becoming deranged.
UPDATE: One other good thing: no one will be spinning grand conspiracy theories about this administration’s Vice President being an evil, conniving genius who is the true power behind the throne.
By JT
November 5, 2008 3:44 PM | Link to this
Commie…dead on about the upcoming conflict between Israel and Iran. I’m not sure they are going to wait before Obama ascends his throne though.
By Copyleft
November 5, 2008 4:03 PM | Link to this
We even survived 8 years of Clinton, God alone knows how.
Yeah, all that peace and prosperity sure sucked, didn’t it?
(snicker)
As for Israel—like any other country, they’d best not start any fights they can’t win. They’re not our problem.
By Fed Up
November 5, 2008 4:08 PM | Link to this
You’re all a bunch of idiots. America abides. That is all.
By CommunistAJC
November 5, 2008 4:09 PM | Link to this
Copyleft, (snicker) now. Laugh it up. Because it is NOT going to be a fun ride the next four years. Your party can not blame republicans from here on out. Your party has been in control since 06. If you seriously think that we will have no problems for however many years Obama is in office then you are most certainly naive. By the way, we didn’t have peace for 8 years under Clinton. He choose not to deal with Islamic Fascist. Instead he was getting his knob slobbed by a teenager.
By Fran
November 5, 2008 4:10 PM | Link to this
I think the saddest moment last night was watching McCain’s concession speech, as he had to plead with his riled followers when they yelled “boooooo” each time Obama was mentioned. It clearly disturbed McCain, who in his concession regained some of the nobility he’d surrendered during the campaign. Contrast that with the respectful audience at Obama’s victory speech. That’s class. Let’s hope it presages a new era of respect in politics.
By Ginger
November 5, 2008 4:12 PM | Link to this
Some hate-filled individual above says: “You children and low income workers just voted into office the biggest group of power hungry liars that the world has ever known.”
Which is it? Is the Democratic party the party of the elites or is it the party of low income workers? You can’t have it both ways. I am a 42 year old white, female, very educated professional in the City of Atlanta who works with many other white, very educated professionals and we all voted for Barack Obama. And “the biggest group of power hungry liars the world has ever known?” You dare make that statement after eight years of Bush and friends? Are you insane? People have rejected your hate so please go home now with your tail between your legs like the whipped dog that you are, bless your heart!
By Andrew
November 5, 2008 4:12 PM | Link to this
Been waiting 8 yearsto say this:
The President, get behind him or get the hell out.
I hear Canada’s conservatives are doing well..
By Ginger
November 5, 2008 4:14 PM | Link to this
Some hate-filled individual above says: “You children and low income workers just voted into office the biggest group of power hungry liars that the world has ever known.”
Which is it? Is the Democratic party the party of the elites or is it the party of low income workers? You can’t have it both ways. I am a 42 year old white, female, very educated professional in the City of Atlanta who works with many other white, very educated professionals and we all voted for Barack Obama. And “the biggest group of power hungry liars the world has ever known?” You dare make that statement after eight years of Bush and friends? Are you insane? People have rejected your hate so please go home now with your tail between your legs like the whipped dog that you are, bless your heart!
By Gary
November 5, 2008 4:16 PM | Link to this
Paul
Number one: Yes, Obama said he was going to strengthen the troops in Afghanistan to Get the Job done and then get out of there. Which means that gee maybe they may finally get Bin Laden. Something that Bush was unable to accomplish, by choice, because as long as he’s out there the threat of another attack on our soil looms! As long as they felt they had the Fear factor of terroristic attacks to explain the unnecessary high cost of the war. isn’t it funny that the whole “War On Terror” started with the promise to capture him and instead of the troops going after him in Afghanistan they were all put in Iraq ……where there was OIL? Interesting.
The Third, Constitutional Amendment. The President himself requested an amendment Protecting Marriage because gee wonder what there was about Marriage that needed protection from the President of all people?? That one was voted down but the Law I was referring too was the one that was passed regarding wiretapping. One that both he and Cheney wanted and got. Fact of the matter is he was and is an idiot, he made many mistakes and the criticisms are justified. You’re defense of the man justifies the intelligence of people like yourself that voted for him as well. You can nitpick at the commentary all you want it still doesn’t change the fact and never will that he is an embarrassment to the Republican party and all of it’s supporters, his own family, and an embarrassment to the United States. Thank god it’s over!
By John
November 5, 2008 4:21 PM | Link to this
I am reflecting on a few observations from my fellow Georgians who are surely revelling in the trough of ignorance along with SC, AR, and AL.
First you hit us with …”With barely over 50% of the popular vote, I think you can hardly call that a mandate.”
You then follow that up with “….he constantly tried to undermine Bush’s authority by talking about his completely irrelevant popular vote margin.”
Anf finally, the everpresent cry of, “It is no longer possible for anyone to deny that the MSM is heavily biased.”
Please stop your whining and get over it. If those of you who think you have all of the right answers actually did, Georgia would not be as backwards as it is. Why not give Obama a chance similar to the free ride you gave “W”. He could probably do absolutely nothing and still be an improvement over his precedessor.
By John
November 5, 2008 4:39 PM | Link to this
By Dottie
I just called my only black employee (last hired, first fired) and told her due to forthcoming tax code changes i have to give her 2 weeks notice …That’s great Dottie. She will probably dance even longer knowing that she will not have to work for a classless loser like you. I guess the tax cuts in place for the past seven years didn’t work so well. I am sure you will be at the government trough real soon.
By Paul
November 5, 2008 4:40 PM | Link to this
Gary 4:16
Any idea why Obama thinks more troops in Afghanistan will win when he thought more troops in Iraq just meant continuing failure? As far as I’ve heard, there’s not much strategy change in Afghanistan, just more troops.
Isn’t it interesting, when it came to Iraq, people had all kinds of reasons why various actions would not be successful; the incessantly called for measures of ‘victory’; they criticized the length of time it was taking for the Iraqi government to become effective… but Obama’s supporters don’t ask the same questions of him regarding Afghanistan? Far as I can tell, Obama hasn’t questioned, let alone subjected himself to questioning, on this topic.
Get bin Laden? He’s in Pakistan. Pakinstani government has told us our Predator strikes are counterproductive and to stop. After all the rhetoric of “cowboy Bush going it alone and invading countries and not building consensus” – now you’re advocating Pres Obama go it alone and ignore the direction of Pakistan that we stop invading their country?
I don’t buy the ‘Iraq for oil’ thing. Oil was cheap, we could get all we wanted. If we wanted to take over a country for oil, better alternatives existed.
This is the first I heard you refer to a Protecting Marriage amendment. Your earlier post (10:30 – it appears to have been pulled?) said Pres Bush “Signed more laws and signing statements amending the Constitution than any president in US history.” “Requesting an amendment” is not the same as signing legislation passed by Congress. As far as the wiretapping bill, do you mean the one granting telecoms immunity? The same bill Pres-elect Obama voted for? Are you referring to the bill the Administration sought after a court ruling said changes were required, so the Administration sought to comply? The laws that are subject to review by the Supreme Court to make sure they’re constitutional?
Again, what makes you think I voted for him? Just because I take issue with some of your characterizations of the Administrations actions of which you are critical? Are we back to “if you’re not with me, you’re against me”? A Bush quote, I believe.
By pj
November 5, 2008 4:40 PM | Link to this
cc: You contradicted yourself and wrote back. Thanks. That backs up everything I’ve said about you. Not only are you a stupid fool but now I know you are not honest. There is nothing worst then being a liar but a dumb liar tops that. Take you brainless fake spouse (whose probably a close blood relative) and your two unfortunate (because of you) kids and slither back under that rock where you were born. You aren’t worth a plug nickle much less the slug life you live. I bet those two kids of yours are proud of you and tell all their friends to come see the freak show that is your life. I’m glad you are ashamed to be Black because your not good enough to be counted among us. Stop the madness and pick a new race that you can be proud of though I doubt there will be many takers.
P.S…My husband says the may be an opening in a higher life form such as a roach or mosquito
By mscutie78
November 5, 2008 4:43 PM | Link to this
TODAY IS A GREAT DAY!!!!! I sat in front of the TV until 1 am – I could not stop crying last night – what a great night – what a great moment in history – what a great lesson for all people! YES WE CAN – YES WE DID!!! I am so proud of America!! I have never been so engaged and passionate about an election. I am completely moved by this historic event that it is tough holding back tears as I write this very comment. I am SO thankful and grateful that I was able to share this experience with my daughter (although she was sleepy) – I woke her up to hear PRESIDENT-ELECT Obama speak and she said – ‘mommy – he’s brown and white – just like me’ and I responded with ‘yes, he is and he’s the first brown and white man to be President.’ She smiled and I cried. What a great day in this nation – I am completely overwhelmed at the moment.
By John
November 5, 2008 4:46 PM | Link to this
Dottie: I don’t mean to pile on, but why would you choose to broadcast your ignorance across the internet? Do we really care what race your employee is? I guess the Bush tax cuts didn’t work for you. If you run your business like you blog, I would guess that you will soon be needing some government assistance. Maybe you and your ex-worker will end up in the same line. Its called karma!
By soothsayer
November 5, 2008 4:53 PM | Link to this
OK Bookmeat. You liberals have had the Senate and the House for the last two years and just gained more seats in both houses of congress yesterday. Now you have the big carrot, the presidency. Who are you democrats going to blame now when things go to hell? In a way, this is “liberating” for the Republicans because now we can sit back and totally enjoy the teeth grinding as the “not so liberal democrats” battle the ultra liberal democrats. The terrible thing is, our country is going to have to suffer because of it. If anyone thinks that happiness was elected yesterday, I truly pity them.
By Paul
November 5, 2008 5:00 PM | Link to this
John 4;46
I don’t think the “Dottie” posts are real. They appear under several names, always seem to affect a black employee and blame upcoming tax changes. Thing is, not enough specifics have been developed, let alone released, to allow any company to evaluate future impact and address adjustment strategies.
If not ignoring the post, I think the best response is “you lost. Deal with it.”
By williebkind
November 5, 2008 5:01 PM | Link to this
I do not like liberals, but I will support the President of the United States. It is he that will lose my support by his actions and by his agenda. If the President of the United States holds dear to himself only special interest groups and selects to dishonor the forefathers of this great country and elects to change the constitution by any means, I will abandon him with no hesitation. The President of the United States mus not lie to me because I will make the liberals sound like the mute.
By nappy haired
November 5, 2008 6:25 PM | Link to this
Fact: Bernie of “Weekend at Bernie’s” fame would have been elected as president yesterday (as long as he wasnt the incumbent). LOL on you idiots who think it had anything to do with Hussein Obama. NOBODY from incumbent party gets elected during the peak of a depression.
In 2 years he will be hated. You heard it here first.
By Copyleft
November 5, 2008 7:18 PM | Link to this
I’ll be happy to fill you in, Paul.
Any idea why Obama thinks more troops in Afghanistan will win when he thought more troops in Iraq just meant continuing failure?
Because it’s possible to achieve a legitimate objective in Afghanistan, i.e., bringing Bin Ladin (remember him? the guy who attacked us?) to justice.
This is NOT possible in Iraq, because no military outcome, good or bad, can legitimize the fact that our invasion was wrong. We (at least some of us) though Saddam was a threat to the U.S.; it has now been proven, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that he was not. Therefore, the U.S. invasion accomplished nothing. Continuing it, no matter for how long, will never change that.
See the difference now? To have a “winnable” situation, you have to have a legitimate goal… and there’s nothing legitimate to be accomplished in Iraq.
By TN Gelding
November 5, 2008 10:32 PM | Link to this
Dottie
November 5, 2008 2:03 PM
Surely you’re a bigger person than that.
I hope you’re proud of yourself.
By memefree
November 6, 2008 9:21 AM | Link to this
As I was driving down Russel Rd. in Lawrenceville and saw the gigantic McCain sign blaring in my face(as usual) the day after the election, I noticed a white sheet of paper attached that said something about Pray for Our Country like we’re doomed since “the man” won. We can’t get any worse than we already are and you shoulda been praying long before this!! Take that sign down, it’s OVER!!!!!