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The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Peter Beinart, writing in The Washington Post, argues that Sarah Palin represents the last dying gasp of the culture wars that have dominated American politics for a generation:
“It’s no coincidence that Palin’s popularity has plummeted as the financial crisis has taken center stage. From her championing of small-town America to her efforts to link Barack Obama to former domestic terrorist Bill Ayers, Palin is treading a path well-worn by Republicans in recent decades. She’s depicting the campaign as a struggle between the culturally familiar and the culturally threatening, the culturally traditional and the culturally exotic. But Obama has dismissed those attacks as irrelevant, and the public, focused nervously on the economic collapse, has largely tuned them out.
Palin’s attacks are also failing because of generational change. The long-running, internecine baby boomer cultural feud just isn’t that relevant to Americans who came of age after the civil rights, gay rights and feminist revolutions. Even many younger evangelicals are broadening their agendas beyond abortion, stem cells, school prayer and gay marriage. And just as younger Protestants found JFK less threatening than their parents had found Al Smith, younger whites — even in bright-red states — don’t view the prospect of a black president with great alarm.”
I hope Beinart’s right, but the culture wars have dominated so much of my adult life that it’s hard to believe they can recede. As Beinart points out, though, such wars have come and gone before in America’s past, generally fading when more important concerns rise to the top.
In that light, Gallup’s last three-day tracking poll of likely voters puts the margin nationally at 11 points:
PRINCETON, NJ — The final Gallup 2008 pre-election poll — based on Oct. 31-Nov. 2 Gallup Poll Daily tracking — shows Barack Obama with a 53% to 42% advantage over John McCain among likely voters. When undecided voters are allocated proportionately to the two candidates to better approximate the actual vote, the estimate becomes 55% for Obama to 44% for McCain.
Other polls put the margin at five or six, and my own best guess is that the final margin will be around seven, which is very large. But if the final margin is indeed double digits, then I’m with Beinart: The old politics are dead.
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By "The Corporal"
November 3, 2008 3:23 PM | Link to this
Jay
You have no idea of the culture war that is coming as our immigration policy remains uncontrolled. Keep you eye on Europe. What is happening there will happen here. And in this next cultural war I believe you will be on our side because as we have discussed before they will come for you first !
By BDAtlanta
November 3, 2008 3:25 PM | Link to this
Yeah, I guess I don’t know much else except the politics as they are now…at least since Bill won in ‘92. I do remember thinking the wingnuts were going overboard on the Ken Starr money-pit debacle.
By BDAtlanta
November 3, 2008 3:34 PM | Link to this
Corporal, If the immigrants are truly coming enmasse maybe we should study up and see how Europe is handling the influx.
As I recall, my ancestors emigrated here in the late 1700s (mom’s side) and 1905 (dad’s side.) I’m glad they did…we kinda like it here.
By Taxpayer
November 3, 2008 3:34 PM | Link to this
Did anyone else notice the ad over at fivethirtyeightdotcom containing the picture of Sarah in her fancy duds. The title was what caught my eye: A Neiman Marxist.
That was just so clever.
By RealityKing
November 3, 2008 3:35 PM | Link to this
Peter naively believes that a democratic wins signals the end of America’s ideological divide. Completely dubious to the corruption within the biased MSM as being the only reason Obama could win.
By AJC/DNC Management
November 3, 2008 3:36 PM | Link to this
I hope Beinart’s right, but the culture wars have dominated so much of my adult life that it’s hard to believe they can recede.
You can trace the decline of our culture right straight back to the liberals seizing control of our public education system.
Make note of how the majority of Oblahma supporters are mere children, brainwashed at that, being manipulated by a bunch of old (fill in the blank.)
P.S. I think Gallup had Dhimmi Carter up ten points on Ronald Reagan.
Let’s win one for the Gipper and for our ancestors.
By hillbilly ragger
November 3, 2008 3:36 PM | Link to this
Corporal, seein’s how you’re all afeard of a race war, why don’t you pack up and move someplace else?
There’s a good boy.
By Mrs. Godzilla
November 3, 2008 3:37 PM | Link to this
Corporal
Recent Nobel Prize for economics winner seems to disagree with your opinion on the state of Europe.
By AJC/DNC Management
November 3, 2008 3:41 PM | Link to this
I was wrong-
The Gallup survey, which eleven days before the election had Carter ahead by three points.
Gallup made a 13 point mistake back in those days.
Now they just lie by 13 points.
By Paul
November 3, 2008 3:43 PM | Link to this
Mrs Godzilla
How’d the wedding and home-cooked reception go? Just thinking about it had me salivating. You’re just having one celebration after another, aren’t you? Can’t stop at two - have to come up with something for Thursday!
BTW - Krugman’s article was published last January. Europe’s been having a bit more difficult time than us with this meltdown. At first they considered it an American problem, then found their lending practices and lack of reserves were even worse than ours!
I’m not prepared to say it’s an ideological thing, though. Greed does seem to transcend ideology.
By GMAN
November 3, 2008 3:48 PM | Link to this
Let’s win one for the Gipper and for our ancestors.
Would that be the ex-California governor rolling over in his grave at the state of the Repugnican Party or the master of the plantation?
By mm
November 3, 2008 3:52 PM | Link to this
Is this what the wingnuts fear Obama will do?
By Amelia
November 3, 2008 3:55 PM | Link to this
The culture wars are giving way to class warfare. It seems to me many people believe we should go back to the gilded age. Well, please be advised we working class will not go back to the sweat shop. Deal with it!
By Soixante huitard
November 3, 2008 3:55 PM | Link to this
You have no idea of the culture war that is coming as our immigration policy remains uncontrolled.
That’s not a culture war. That’s a policy dispute.
By hillbilly ragger
November 3, 2008 3:57 PM | Link to this
mm, that DU rant you linked is brilliant. Thanks.
Later, all.
By AmVet
November 3, 2008 3:57 PM | Link to this
I hope neither John McCain nor Barack Obama wins tomorrow. I’ll certainly vote for neither. I’ll vote for the man who has done more good for this country than those two put together - Ralph Nader.
I hope Saxby Chambliss loses by one vote and then someone runs over his dog. (Just kidding, I love animals - maybe his foot).
I hope the Republican power brokers in the US Senate and House suffer a second straight historic humiliation.
I hope someone/anyone with some male genitalia sends a whole boatload of the Wall Street crooks and swindlers to be somebody’s little “financial adviser” in prison.
I hope Sonny Purdue prays for lots more rain.
By Mrs. Godzilla
November 3, 2008 3:57 PM | Link to this
Paul…
Kind of you to ask!
Very well thank you.
142 folks ate apricot glazed ham, italian style roast beast and seafood lasgna, with 2 different potato sides and 2 different salads.
We spent a small fortune with a rental company….but it was worth every penney.
Zillette #2 made a full table - multiple layers - of chocolate dipped fruit and goodies.
Publix made the cake - “rasberry elegance” with cream cheese icing…..yum-a-roo.
My feet and ankles hurt…..I haven’t spent that many hours in 3 inch heels in a long time.
Most importantly, it helped to make our new daughter-in-law proud of her new “out-laws”.
By Abomi Nation
November 3, 2008 3:58 PM | Link to this
I would say the Republicans are losing the cultural wars all by themselves.
The Moral Republicans: Rep Foley, Senator Craig, Senator Vitter, Geckert/Gannon Talon News fakes.
The Law and Order Republicans: Rep Cunningham, Scooter Libby, Senator Stevens, Abramoff, Tom Delay, Enron Folks, Senator Craig again.
The Angry Republicans: Bill O, Hannity, Coulter, conservative bloggers, Cheney.
Religious Republicans: Rev Haggard, James Dobson, Ralph Reed, Sarah Palin, President George W Bush, Pat Robertson.
Totally lost. Another blowout. A landslide. Party over.
Republicans are losing because of their offense, and offence.
By AJC/DNC Management
November 3, 2008 4:01 PM | Link to this
Unreal, after 5 years of shrieking at Bushie about Gitmo, now the Treason Times agrees with him:
Senators John McCain and Barack Obama have said they would close the detention camp, but the review of the government’s public files underscores the challenges of fulfilling that promise. The next president will have to contend with sobering intelligence claims against many of the remaining detainees.
What the (fill in the blank?)
Are you kidding me, now that there are no more political points left to score in a sitting president’s rear end, the libs just act like the last 5 years have never happened?
These people are lunatics.
By GodHatesTrash
November 3, 2008 4:04 PM | Link to this
Original post follows:
By GodHatesTrash November 2, 2008 8:11 AM Link to this Unbelievably, Bookman pulled down around a dozen of my posts from Friday night, yesterday, and banned me for the day.
I consistently provide some of the best writing on this blog (not that that’s saying much), instead he prefers the never-ending monotonous garbage, chum, empty threats and swill from the misanthropes and paranoids. He never challenges them, he never ridicules them, he just lets their vile lies and slanders stand unchallenged.
Well, Bookman, face it, you’re no Ralph McGill. But you’re on track to be another Jim Wooten. Good for you!
So I’ll leave you for your regular clientele for awhile.
I urge other progressive decent people to do the same.
Without us, this blog is just another hate site.
By Eli Jones
November 3, 2008 4:07 PM | Link to this
The Democrats are in over their heads in the banking mess, I wouldn’t vote for any of the fools or their Marxist poster boy Barack Obama.
Top Recipients of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Campaign Contributions:
Democrat Dodd is on the banking oversight committee and he should have been looking out for us but Dodd, Barack Obama, Joe Biden and most of the Democrats voted to give Obama’s vote stealing proxie ACORN 20 Million on the first bail out plan. Democrat Barney Frank refused to put safe guards in place on FM &FM saying all was well.
By ByteMe
November 3, 2008 4:12 PM | Link to this
Yes, yes, Eli, and he has a terrorist living in his basement. Whatever.
By Paul
November 3, 2008 4:13 PM | Link to this
mm 3:52
Nance Greggs must be one of those people Sen Obama says keeps looking in the rearview mirror.
And who Sen McCain says hasn’t figured out Pres Bush isn’t running again…
AmVet
Our newpaper had a full-page article this morning on where the “candidates” stood on the issues. Funny thing. I didn’t know there were only two candidates.
Mrs. Godzilla
Okay, okay, I’m way past salivating! I’m happy it went so well. Now the fascination and trepidation of watching them make their lives together begins.
Isn’t this really what part of this great election process is all about? Parents hoping we can see our hopes realized for a better future for our children and grandchildren? Sure, people have different visions of the path we would take, but the end hope is the same.
Ummm, you may want to have fun, whenever the subject of little ones comes up, and mention with a straight face that you have this screen name, see, and you’d consider it an honor if the first grandchild was bestowed with the same name to honor the family tradition….
By Joey
November 3, 2008 4:13 PM | Link to this
The best I can deciper is that Beinart is an East Coast, Yaleie, Journalist who has been in Washington, D.C. so long, that he is insulated and ignorant of any thing US except the East coast. Unaware of the Cultures outside DC.
His view and advise is similar to Cynthia or Jay advising Republicans how to re-invent themselves.
They, like Beinart, want a Republican Party with no Republicans in it. We could call it The Unpublican Party.
By Chris
November 3, 2008 4:14 PM | Link to this
Despite promises to the contrary, and despite the fact that the other three candidates have done so, Sarah Palin still refuses to release her medical records—the other three candidates have done so).
Why? One word: abortion.
By Mrs. Godzilla
November 3, 2008 4:15 PM | Link to this
Paul,
I know the Krugman article is old….
Can you suggest some more current material on how Europe is handling the meltdown?
I found this from Fortune
It’s more than just the financial crisis.
How about life expectancy? Infant mortality? Health care? Education?
By Mrs. Godzilla
November 3, 2008 4:17 PM | Link to this
Paul….
My real name is rather uncommon, they might just prefer Little ‘Zilla!
By AmVet
November 3, 2008 4:21 PM | Link to this
The current GOP is the party of anti-progress.
Left up to them - we would still be saying the Lord’s Prayer in school. And all science would be eliminated.
Women would not be allowed to work outside of the home.
Birth control and abortion would both be unheard of.
Possession of recreational drugs would be a capital offense. Prohibition would be reinstated.
“Those” people would certainly not be voting.
Church attendance would be mandatory under the new Torquemada Act.
And there would be seventeen additional amendments to the US Constitution - the latest removing the first 13 words of the second amendment and all of that claptrap in the first excepting prohibiting the free exercise thereof part.
No wonder they are at war with everybody and everything…
By RB from Gwinnett
November 3, 2008 4:25 PM | Link to this
If all you liberals think Europe is doing so great, why not move there. They already have all the “free” social programs you all long for, already have socialism entrenched in their political process. Go. Why keep bashing the R’s here for not giving you enough handouts and begging for more election by election when you can have it all with a simple relo? I’m sure they’d be thrilled to have another deadbeat on the rolls and we’d be happy help you pack.
But, when “paradise” turns out to be a mirage, don’t come back.
By Marvin Gardens
November 3, 2008 4:26 PM | Link to this
Now if we could get down to the last cultural warrior in Afghanistan, that would be progress.
By Greg Mendel
November 3, 2008 4:26 PM | Link to this
*You can trace the decline of our culture right straight back to the liberals seizing control of our public education system.
Make note of how the majority of Oblahma supporters are mere children, brainwashed at that, being manipulated by a bunch of old (fill in the blank.)”*
Bunch of old (war veterans)? I voted for Obama. So did my uncle who was a frontine soldier, from Normandy to the Elbe. (Funny how people who have actually been shot at always support the troops, but aren’t so quick to send them to stupid wars.)
The kids support Obama because they have to pay Bush’s bill, or like my son and daughter, have friends who have died in Bush’s war.
And when did liberals seize control of our public education system? Got news for you — a culture of lazy, illiterate, xenophobic, market-driven, entertainment-addicted drones seized our national brain. You think those expecting a “report card handout” are all from the slums? Ask a teacher.
Yep, it’s the commie-socialist-liberals who are the problem. That’s why Nader is so high in the polls.
By AF
November 3, 2008 4:30 PM | Link to this
Jay,
I hope the culture wars are over. All our lables are all mixed up and I don’t know who believes what any more.
Democrats are called liberals. I actually read that Obama could be called a Centrist Democrat, but only once. I don’t know of other kinds of Democrats.
Republicans are called conservatives. But some conservatives are just fiscal conservatives and some are social conservatives. Maybe some are both. Neo-cons are fiscal conservative war hawks, but not necessarily social conservatives. I think all Evangelical Christians are social conservatives but not necessarily fiscal conservatives or neo-cons. There are also some Centrist conservatives - but none of the other conservatives seem to be able to agree on what that really means.
(Sigh) Maybe we should just start over.
By Paul
November 3, 2008 4:31 PM | Link to this
Mrs Godzilla
Actually, ‘Godzilla’ is what I meant! But if your real name beats it, then by all means go for it! Keep the in-law guessing!
That was a decent article in Fortune. Actually, I believe the Swedish case was discussed in the run-up to the US action. Part of the article does strike me as the obligatory “we know what we’re doing while the Ameris continue to make a mess of it.”
I think it will take a while to sort out and compare. It’s still a bit early. Restoring confidence is not like flicking on a light switch.
This guy comes out of the Hoover Institution - a rather conservative think tank - but if you can make it past the partisan introductory paragraphs he has some interesting points about why we will do a better job than the Euros. Altho I don’t put much stock in assertions such as “growing ourselves out of the housing slump.”
Link: a couple points on the response
AJC/DNC Management 4:01
[[Are you kidding me, now that there are no more political points left to score in a sitting president’s rear end, the libs just act like the last 5 years have never happened?]]
Whatsamatta, never heard of “Short Attention Span Theater”? I’m just interested to see where they’re going to relocate them…
Illinois?
By Soixante huitard
November 3, 2008 4:32 PM | Link to this
Funny how ANJC Manglement only responds to actual posts to whine. It’s like there’s no passion there, which is odd for someone who basically spends his life on this forum.
How do you get paid, Manglement? Is it by the word, or post? Or is it by the hour for every hour you have X-number of posts?
I’m curious.
By "The Corporal"
November 3, 2008 4:35 PM | Link to this
You guys have no idea what’s coming as the years go by ….. frog in the kettle ….. head in the sand.
It won’t be about race. It will be worse and it will start with calls for local Sharia law. Supreme Court justices of the type that will be appointed by Obama (and those who come after him) will make rulings taking into account “international law” and what “Europe” is doing. You won’t like it but by then the Genie will be out of the bottle.
By AmVet
November 3, 2008 4:39 PM | Link to this
The neo-con mantra, November 2008 - “We have everything to fear, including fear itself”!
By robdawg08
November 3, 2008 4:41 PM | Link to this
It’s amazing to me that so many of you can be so Liberal. You’ve got Barack Obama who won’t participate in the pledge of allegiance to our flag and is tied to terrorist supporter Bill Ayers. Obama has an illegal relative living in the U.S. that receives welfare. Obama’s pastor for over 20 years preached hate the white man and America. Obama has been a Senator for only 3 years and has zero foreign policy experience. His full name is a Muslim name : Barack Hussein Obama. None of this seems to matter as you zealots punch your ballots and vote for our next President ! You people hate George Bush so much that you would vote for Mickey Mouse over any Republican. You all have been duped by a great speaker that promises you the moon ! When your taxes sky rocket and the Muslims take over America please be sure to pat yourselves on the back, twice…
By Eric1
November 3, 2008 4:47 PM | Link to this
Excellent piece by Peter Beinart. He makes some very good points. I hope he’s right. The Old Corporal sure is paranoid….what’s he smokin’?
By Marvin Gardens
November 3, 2008 4:49 PM | Link to this
On a Chattanooga radio station this morning, a caller said he voted for McCain because, “I’m very much against abortion, I don’t want them to take our guns away and I think there ought to be prayer in school.” I laughed out loud. It was like 2000 all over again. Anyway, I am voting for McCain, too. But it’s because I think he has the greater sense of urgency about and better plan for energy independence.
By TW
November 3, 2008 4:50 PM | Link to this
Why no medical records for Palin?
Only one or two reasons and both of them could cause a real problem with the ol’ evangelical vote.
Isn’t she being a little sexist in figuring it’s an invasion of her privacy when the other three have come clean?
It really is amazing when we consider that her approvals are sub 50% when the opposition hasn’t even tried to lay a negative finger on her. Great post, Jay.
By Mrs. Godzilla
November 3, 2008 4:51 PM | Link to this
Call for sharia law and pledge of allegiance crap
Thanks, I really needed a good laugh this afternoon.
You two need to check very carefully under your beds tonight.
Midori, Goldie and I snuck a gaggle of commies under your beds.
Check your closets too…..never know what we snuck in there that just might come out.
Oh, and the basement…..that’s where we put the jack booted thugs who will shut down Sean and Rush and Boortz….
Don’t forget the storage shed, full of socialists ann dressed in pink.
By Soixante huitard
November 3, 2008 4:51 PM | Link to this
Corporal: It will be worse and it will start with calls for local Sharia law.
You’re correct, sir. The UK and France are far ahead of us here (due to the anti-assimilationist nature of the communities in those countries) and are just starting to see the beginnings of this debate.
It will be a danger, you’re absolutely right.
But something strikes me as too frenzied about your pessimism, as though you think there’s a simple answer, that it’s a matter of (forgive me) ‘black and white’. I don’t mean to suggest that the correct approach will simply be one of accomodation here, but keep in mind that there is more than one legal framework within Sharia from what I understand. Liberal strands within that tradition will have to be encouraged and brought into dialogue. Shutting the door behind a wall of righteousness will do nothing but lay the groundwork for conflict.
By AmVet
November 3, 2008 4:56 PM | Link to this
The undeniable fact is that the non-conservative conservatives are losing their last tenuous grip on power every minute of every day of every week.
And have been for the past year or more.
Impotent to change that inevitable reality, is there any real wonder that they strike out so viciously as anonymous bloggers?
The bigots, xenophobes, misanthropes and theocrats see it slipping away and it is killing them.
Perhaps the most craven of this crowd should consider moving to Alaska and seceding.
That way the GOP could implement it’s Northern Strategy…
By Soixante huitard
November 3, 2008 4:59 PM | Link to this
How many other forums do you get paid to troll, Manglement?
Do tell.
By "The Corporal"
November 3, 2008 5:01 PM | Link to this
To Soixante huitard
I hear you but if you can’t draw a line in the sand somewhere you can’t draw it anywhere. You don’t compromise with cancer and you don’t compromise with anything that will take away your freedom.
TOLERANCE = the virtue of those who stand for nothing.
By Mr Snarky
November 3, 2008 5:05 PM | Link to this
Somehow I doubt she’s the last culture warrior, though she is a culture warrior. That’s about all she’s got too…no real accomplishments or novel ideas, just her persona and her traditionlist values and some cool glasses.
I don’t mind someone being traditional or having conservative values, but I do mind when someone calls others anti-american because they don’t have the same values. America is diverse. Period. Someone who is not sensitive to that will not fly in the 21st century, where whites will soon be a minority.
By robdawg08
November 3, 2008 5:05 PM | Link to this
Maybe Obama can give Mrs. Godzilla and her hood rats (which is what’s under her bed at night) more government freebies ? The only thing that keeps all of us (yes you Liberals too) free is a strong military which Obama wants to “cut back” and “overhaul”. Your freedom is not to be taken for granted. Terrorists are plotting daily. Countries that hate America like North Korea and Iran are building nuclear weapons. And you want Obama in charge of our military ? Can any of you please explain his Muslim name yet his claim not to be Muslim ? I’m listening.
By AmVet
November 3, 2008 5:08 PM | Link to this
Recently I saw a good “debate” between Chambliss, Martin and Buckley.
And let me tell you, as is often he case in American politics, the man with the best ideas will finish last and the one with the worst will finish first.
Buckley blew both of them OUT OF THE WATER.
And Chambliss constantly proves himself to be a Bush bungler of the first degree.
What a disgrace that man is…
By "The Corporal"
November 3, 2008 5:08 PM | Link to this
Mrs. G.
Somali Muslim cab drivers are refusing to follow American laws and regulations of the Minneapolis Airport Authority. We are not talking about just a handfull of drivers, more than 80% are refusing to carry passengers who have any alcohol. What’s next?
Tip of the iceberg ………
By Taxpayer
November 3, 2008 5:10 PM | Link to this
We are also busy painting arrows all over the sidewalks, streets, parking lots, hallways, etc. After all, it’s so hard to tell which way is East from some locations. Of course, if talk like this is just too SCArrrryyyyy, then you could always attend church with the likes of Sarah Palin and get your brain filled with talk of the end of times. It’s just right around the corner, you know. It’s going to get you. You cannot hide.
By AmVet
November 3, 2008 5:10 PM | Link to this
Good on Bob “I’ve had my Epiphany” Barr!
ATLANTA — Libertarian presidential candidate Bob Barr has been careful to choose spots where he can hurt his former party the most in the run-up to Election Day, which is why his list of recent campaign stops reads more like a list of battleground states.
The ex-Republican representative is eyeing Pennsylvania, Ohio, New Hampshire, Virginia and Georgia, states where the presidential race hangs in the balance and where he sees “an opportunity for a real impact.”
In some ways, his longshot presidential bid is as much about sending a signal to the GOP as it is about earning a respectable showing for his Libertarian Party.
“If the Republican Party hasn’t gotten its message already, I don’t think it will,” he said. “The message is: Y’all have no vision, no message. And that’s why we’re running this campaign.”
Some Republicans worry that Barr could play spoiler in a close election if he draws disaffected conservatives from Republican John McCain. Barr has in recent weeks latched onto the $700 billion bailout as evidence that both major parties are addicted to spending.
By Mr Snarky
November 3, 2008 5:13 PM | Link to this
What’s next? Pharmacists who won’t fill birth control or the morning after bill prescriptions because they morally object? Never would such a thing happen!
By Soixante huitard
November 3, 2008 5:13 PM | Link to this
I hear you but if you can’t draw a line in the sand somewhere you can’t draw it anywhere.
But sands shift with time, my friend, and houses that are built on them wash away. What’s needed are not more lines and boundaries - those are drawn to be crossed.
TOLERANCE = the virtue of those who stand for nothing.
Again, you’re not quite correct there, Corporal. TOLERANCE is that which is tolerant of all but INTOLERANCE.
Now, wasn’t that a nice, civil exchange?
I miss our friend Manglement. I haven’t seen him post in several minutes. He must be trolling one of the other forums he’s assigned to.
By robdawg08
November 3, 2008 5:16 PM | Link to this
I’m only using logic with Obama’s Muslim name. Mickey Mouse sounds like a ficticious cartoonic name, it is. Billy Bob Scroggins sounds like a hillbilly name,it is. Ivan Putski sounds like a Polish name,it is. Makeesha Jackson sounds like a black ladies name,it is. Thurston Wilson III sounds like a white mans name,it is.
By TN Gelding
November 3, 2008 5:19 PM | Link to this
Will comment on topic later.
Please disregard my prediction the markets would go up this week. After the weak auto sales report and other bad news, I’m not as optimistic. Talk is cheap.
By Dusty
November 3, 2008 5:19 PM | Link to this
Well, I don’t know whether I am full over liberal cockadoodles(before the dawn) or wwhether I am full from reading Mrs. Godzie’s menu. Mrs. Godzie’s menu is a bit more tasteful than all the crowing.
Anyway, I am sure all of you would be interested in what WE are having for dinner tonight. We are celebrating our new mailbox which was demolished recently. Macaroni and meatball casserole, baby limas, green salad(lettuce, toms, celery, carrots and onions with light golden Caesar dressing) fresh sliced Chinese pears and sweet potato pie with whipped topping. We eat light so we can stay in shape. Oh yes, and iced tea.
Politics! Tomorrow I am kinda busy but I shall try to keep up so I can hear liberals crying and sobbing.
Oh, Bookman, please stop saying that Palin is trying to connect Obama to Ayers. Obama was connected to Ayers for many years and did it all by himself. Palin is just mentioning some of Obama’s “experience”.
As Jimmy Hendrix warbled ” ARE YOU EXPERIENCED…..? In Obama’s case, the answer is …NO!
By AF
November 3, 2008 5:20 PM | Link to this
Jay,
No. Palin is not the last cultural warrior. There are many culture warriors posting here.
We are stuck in our divisiveness. Each individual is absolutely sure of the moral superiority of his position. So sure, that there is no room to learn and no ability to teach. Each must throw his own dagger and lob back the daggers others thrown at him. It isn’t discussion, it is attack! attack! attack!
So, no. The culture wars continue.
By Soixante huitard
November 3, 2008 5:20 PM | Link to this
Pharmacists who won’t fill birth control or the morning after bill prescriptions because they morally object?
Funny you mention that, Snark. There are such incidents reported in the UK press on a quite regular basis.
By darren
November 3, 2008 5:25 PM | Link to this
TW @ 4:50 I thought legally Palin was required to show her records in case she has something terminal we the voter could make our decision accordingly. Probably it is an issue of something that contradicts her message. Abortion, STD, or something like that that could cause the campaign a problem.
By Mrs.Godzilla
November 3, 2008 5:29 PM | Link to this
Senator Obama’s Grandmother has passed. May she rest in peace.
By Greg Mendel
November 3, 2008 5:29 PM | Link to this
“Can any of you please explain his Muslim name yet his claim not to be Muslim ? I’m listening.”
He’s Irish.
The “thing that keeps us free” is the U. S. Constitution and the majority’s willingness to abide by it. As you know, many nations have lost their freedom to their own strong militaries. I trust the Irishman not to go using ours to invade sovereign countries who were not threats to us, unlike our self-described “Commander Guy.”
By SOUTHERN ATL
November 3, 2008 5:31 PM | Link to this
FOR THE LAST NIGHT BEFORE THE BIG ONE….I REALLY FEEL THAT THE PEOPLE OF THIS “GREAT STATE” HAVE HAD A CHANGE OF HEART TO CHOOSE A TRUE LEADER….
THEREFORE, I WILL CONTINUE WITH MY FAMOUS LINES…..
The people of GEORGIA have BARACK OBAMA and JIM MARTIN….on their minds…just an old sweet song…one that will be sung when standing in the SUPER LONG voting lines tomorrow……Georgia, old Georgia the whole day through…..just an old sweet song that keeps GEORGIA ON OUR MINDS to turn BLUE!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxaajpwInFU&feature=related
JAY, I told you that GEORGIA will be the BIGGEST upset of the SOUTH!!!
THANKS PEOPLE FOR UNITING TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. Be patient standing in line but DO NOT leave until you cast your vote…
We have got this!! YOU BETCHA!!!
By AJC/DNC Management
November 3, 2008 5:37 PM | Link to this
Condolences to the Obama family on the passing of his grandmother.
May she rest in peace.
By Taxpayer
November 3, 2008 5:41 PM | Link to this
Jindal is Indian. Who would have ever known. Changing his name like that in a feeble attempt to hide who he really is.
By Bosch
November 3, 2008 5:41 PM | Link to this
One of the issues that hasn’t been addressed at all in this election is elderly care. It does me good to see some of you on the blogs who are older and can take care of themselves, but in the next 10 years, this is going to be a huge problem, well, it already is for some, but it is going to be a huge economic problem.
There is simply no adequate elderly care. And by adequate, I mean, humane. Some have pensions, others do not, and if you do not have a fortune to spend on this care, you are faced with putting these people in places that would give most people nightmares. I happen to be taking care of three elderly relatives who are now living with my family because two do not have a pension, and the other one does not have enough of one to put her in a nursing home-or rather one that I am comfortable with. Some people just simply outlive their pensions.
We have lost so much work the past month trying to organize things for them, assist them with their needs, and also just plain working out our own anxieties and nerves. We are lucky to have a little put back so we can deal with the financial problems of losing work, but it will not last, and we are facing some very tough times ahead.
We need to stop b*** with each other about things that aren’t real and based on false stereotypes and start thinking of solutions to actual problems that all of us will have to face eventually.
By AF
November 3, 2008 5:42 PM | Link to this
By “The Corporal”
I hear you but if you can’t draw a line in the sand somewhere you can’t draw it anywhere. You don’t compromise with cancer and you don’t compromise with anything that will take away your freedom.
TOLERANCE = the virtue of those who stand for nothing.
I agree with you about compromise. If I am female, I will not compromise away the right to control how my body is used. If I am gay, I will not compromise my right to marry the person I love regardless of gender. If I am Muslim, I will not compromise my right to read the holy book of my faith and to worship as I am called to worship by my God.
Tolerence? You need to read Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine, John Adams, and others of our fore-fathers. Those who wrote the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States had a great belief in tolerence and its importance in civil society. They fought for freedom from the intolerence of others just like you.
By Bosch
November 3, 2008 5:44 PM | Link to this
Mrs. G.,
I just read that about Obama’s grandmother. I hope they told her he won before she died, even if it winds up being a lie. I would have.
By Dusty
November 3, 2008 5:45 PM | Link to this
Darren 5:25
Funny you should ask about Sarah Palin’s medical records. I,myself, was wondering why Obama’s academic record from Columbia College has not been released. He graduated there without any honors. NONE! He rarely mentions it in his books.
As you suggested with Sarah Palin, DOES OBAMA HAVE SOMETHING TO HIDE about his academics at Columbia??? How did he get into Harvard without any academic honors at Columbia? Why is a man running for the hightest office in the USA not willing to release his academic record? Oh well, Just ONE of many mysteries about Obama.
By GreenJeans
November 3, 2008 5:47 PM | Link to this
“I’m only using logic…”
RD, in the spirit of new beginnings and civility, I refuse to believe that your post at 5:16 is anything other than a poor attempt at satire, bless your heart.
By AF
November 3, 2008 5:51 PM | Link to this
Condolences to Barak Obama and his family on the loss of his grandmother. Whether he wins or loses, she must be very proud of a grandson who had so little growingup but became a candidate to be President of the United States.
By Dusty
November 3, 2008 5:53 PM | Link to this
Taxpayer 5:41
Jindal was born in Louisiana. He is an AMERICAN. What’s your problem?
By AJC/DNC Management
November 3, 2008 5:54 PM | Link to this
Oh I get it, people can taunt me but I cannot respond to them, makes sense-
By Soixante huitard November 3, 2008 5:13 PM I miss our friend Manglement. I haven’t seen him post in several minutes. He must be trolling one of the other forums he’s assigned to.
By TW
November 3, 2008 5:56 PM | Link to this
Dusty - I think darren was merely suggesting that the abortion in Sarah’s records might put a bit of a dent in her anti-choice mandate. Hypocrite much????
And as far as Obama not having any academic honors, I thought you rightwingers admired people for that? You know, good ‘real Americans’ who vote against their best interests so that CEOs can put girlfriends up in lavish apartments.
You’re gonna lose tomorrow, Dusty :-)
By Taxpayer
November 3, 2008 6:03 PM | Link to this
Taxpayer, don’t go there.
— Jay
By citizen
November 3, 2008 6:05 PM | Link to this
I hope Sen. Mitch Seabaugh is happy; he is the State Senator that stopped the ‘REAL ID’ law that would have prevented these people from voting in two different states.
By AJC/DNC Management
November 3, 2008 6:06 PM | Link to this
Getting nervous, are we?
Some last-minute state polls show the GOP nominee closing the gap in key states — Republican turf of Virginia, Florida and Ohio among them, and Democratic-leaning Pennsylvania, too.
There are signs that the GOP’s conservative base has rallied in the final stretch and these voters usually turn out in droves, even if lukewarm on the candidate.
Surprise, surprise.
Let’s win one for the Gipper!
By GreenJeans
November 3, 2008 6:07 PM | Link to this
Hey Dusty honey:
No matter who wins tomorrow, I want you to know that your prose always cracks me up.
Now clink glasses with me in celebration of the great US of A.
By Mrs.Godzilla
November 3, 2008 6:07 PM | Link to this
Robdawg08
Do you have four legs and during early season games do you rest your testes on bags of ice?
Can you please explain this animal name and claim to not be an animal?
Puppy Dawg. Giant Super Lizard. What’s in a name?
Corporal
Some Mormans break the law right here in the U.S. of A. marrying 14 wives and 14 year olds.
Iceberg’s everywhere dude.
Dusty
One of our out of town guests brought us her homemade sweet potato pie….I’ve never had anything so wonderful. I had only ever had my mother-in-laws and I tolerated it. Do you spice yours like a pumpkin pie?
AF
Very well said.
**anyway….
Aren’t we all culture warriors to some extent?
Y’all know how I feel about Norwegians. I have a hard time near anyone who could have lutefisk in their home. I have fought my battles on that front….eyes turning into laser beams upon hearing a name like Petersen or Olsen….ya, ya!
I know I can’t cast a stone. Can any of you?
By AJC/DNC Management
November 3, 2008 6:14 PM | Link to this
Getting nervous, are we?
According to varied professional sources with whom I have spoken, there exists a proportionally high number of potential voters who are refusing to be polled or express their opinion publicly. In a historic, high-octane race like 2008, I believe there are more reasons for a McCain supporter to stay silent than for an Obama supporter. It is understandable to imagine McCain supporters fearing labels such as “racist,” “homophobe,” “single-issue-voter,” “warmonger,” or “against change,” even if the voter is none of these.
Similarly, pollsters have reported higher than usual numbers of undecided voters or voters still capable of changing their minds. People know Senator McCain. Do they know Senator Obama well enough to break for him this late in the game?-Father Johnathan Morris
Surprise, surprise.
By TW
November 3, 2008 6:19 PM | Link to this
Getting nervous, are we?
The Vegas odds on Obama are at their highest point right now - Bet $1200 on Obama to win a mere $100.
Clearly no one who shares your opinion is willing to qualify it.
Imagine that - hot air from a Republican? Nah…
By getalife
November 3, 2008 6:24 PM | Link to this
Jindal is a full blown wingnut and will run next cycle. Unlike pathetic palin giving Alaskans socialism from oil revenues, Jindal hoards it and cuts programs for seniors.
Typical gop.
By GOPs got to go
November 3, 2008 6:25 PM | Link to this
Why do I always picture the Corporal all dressed in preacher black huddled over his bible with a dower expression, the coming chaos on his fire and brimstone closed mind? Checking and re-checking the ammo in his cache of arms, waiting for the dark skinned masses trying to relive him of those said weapons. Waking up each new morning fearful and sure the rapture will save him from the coming ruin of America.
And then there is Dusty, a baby ruth bar in each fist, Scarlet O’Hara, fiddle de dee attitude of red white and blue GOP love fest. I don’t care how many times she is proven so lame in her pitiful defense of Bush, who even his own party is treating like a plague ridden pariah, she will wave her ever valiant flag until the country is completely lost.
Decrying Obama’s Ivy league education whilst praising the incoherent babblings of Palin.
Both are always good for a laugh though
By AF
November 3, 2008 6:26 PM | Link to this
Bosch - thank you for bringing reality back to the discussion. It is hard to do what you are doing and God bless you for the love you are giving. I cared for my mother for 12 year while Alzheimer’s ravaged her mind. I know how hard it can be.
I looked into health care policy thinking several years ago by googling “health policy.” There are some web sites with articles by health care policy specialists. I remember (correctly, I hope) that Commonwealth Fund does a lot of studies and work on health care policy in general and has written about elder care. Best of luck in your research. Be sure to write your state and national political representatives and tell them they need to spend some time on this issue.
By AJC/DNC Management
November 3, 2008 6:28 PM | Link to this
As we have seen in previous election cycles, the exit poll results do leak early and that ends up influencing the coverage of the race before even the first state polls close at 6:00 PM Eastern.
However, we want to remind the campaign that the media’s own post-election study of the exit polls in 2004 showed that the exit polls overstate the Democratic candidate’s support. Therefore, we would discourage a rush to judgment based on the exit polls and wait until there has been a representative sampling of actual tabulated results from a variety of counties and precincts in a state.-McCain Campaign
I think CNN called the election for Oblahma already, haven’t they?
Now is not the time to go wobbly, Republicans, get out and vote!
By Paul
November 3, 2008 6:30 PM | Link to this
Dusty! At 5:19
You call that ‘eating light’?!!? I love your excuse for a celebration – a demolished mailbox! LOL! So how big a meal are you going to have to celebrate/in memorial of tomorrow’s train wreck?
Where did you find Chinese pears? And sweet potato pie? Dusty, my dear, you’ve been converted. Haven’t you seen Sen Obama’s pie video? Particularly sweet potato pie? Change is upon us!
:-)
Link: Sen Obama likes pie!
By Soixante huitard
November 3, 2008 6:30 PM | Link to this
C’mon Management, that’s not taunting!
It’s in good fun.
Like I said, I only hear you address others’ comments as an excuse to whine.
Something tells me your heart’s just not entirely in it.
By AJC/DNC Management
November 3, 2008 6:34 PM | Link to this
By TW November 3, 2008 6:19 PM The Vegas odds on Obama are at their highest point right now - Bet $1200 on Obama to win a mere $100. Clearly no one who shares your opinion is willing to qualify it.
The following information may take a few moments to penetrate that thick fog that surrounds you, so I’ll give it a few moments to sink in-
Exit polls from early voting report that some people are still “undecided.”
mmmm
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meemmeee.
mmmm.
You got it yet?
We don’t talk to you liberals but if we must, we lie to you just like you lie to us.
Enjoy your surprise.
By Paul
November 3, 2008 6:39 PM | Link to this
getalife
Glad you’re back. Did you catch SNL? Ben Affleck did a better Keith Olbermann than Olbermann! It’s long, so grab a brewski (that’s Norwegian for “beer”, Mrs. Godzilla) and settle in to a comfortable chair you won’t fall out of while you’re laughing.
Link: Ben Affleck does Keith Olbermann
Don’t click on the hypertext at the top of the page, scroll down a screen or two to the video.
By "The Corporal"
November 3, 2008 6:40 PM | Link to this
To Mrs. G.
Yes, and they are prosecuted for it (or should be).
To AF and Soixante huitard
Actually, if you knew me you would know I am a very tolerant person but being tolerant does not mean you believe another system, or culture or whatever is benevolent or equal to your own.
I tolerate a lot of things but I still believe in absolute truth. To believe otherwise is to say “cannablism” is o.k. for that culture.
Let me give you a perfect example that will start a firestorm.
Jesus was the most tolerant person on earth in that He reached out to everyone regardless of their station in life and put their needs before His. He came to serve and not be served.
At the same time, when it comes to absolute truth about eternal life He is absolutely intolerant.
“I AM THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE. NO ONE COMES TO THE FATHER BUT THROUGH ME.”
In other words, if He didn’t have to die for everyone then He didn’t have to die for anyone.
“FATHER, IF THERE IS ANY OTHER WAY, LET THIS CUP PASS FROM ME.”
There was no other way.
So, there is a time to be totally tolerant and a time to be totally intolerant ……………..
By RW-(the original)
November 3, 2008 6:51 PM | Link to this
We don’t agree on much across the spectrum here at Jay B’s place, but I’ve got a proposal I think a good many of us can agree on.
Proposal: Regardless of who wins tomorrow the first reporter or pundit that begins contemplating the 2012 election shout be assigned to four years of reporting on chicken fights in Haiti.
America needs a break from full time election mode.
By Taxpayer
November 3, 2008 6:53 PM | Link to this
OK Jay. But some of the rants from others really gets old. My 5:41 was in response to the 5:16 post and then Dusty had to stick in her two cents. I can provide the link in response to Dusty’s rant unless you prefer that I just ignore Dusty entirely. I can do that too if you wish.
By JAY BOOKMAN
November 3, 2008 7:05 PM | Link to this
I honestly appreciate Management trying to live within the rules, and I’d appreciate the rest of you not trying to provoke him out of sport.
Let’s move on.
By getalife
November 3, 2008 7:06 PM | Link to this
Paul,
I watched it on Saturday night.
Keith helped Ben practice for that bit.
Very funny and the crowd loved it.
RW,
I agree.
By Soixante huitard
November 3, 2008 7:07 PM | Link to this
At the same time, when it comes to absolute truth about eternal life He is absolutely intolerant.
May surprise you to hear this from a leftist, but I’m right with you, Corporal.
By Paul
November 3, 2008 7:12 PM | Link to this
getalife
He can laugh at himself. That’s good. Entirely too many, particularly in that business, take themselves way too seriously.
And tomorrow - the US of A sets another fine example for the world to aspire to.
Somebody mentioned a bottle of champagne. Sounds like a fine idea. Even for those whose candidate(s) lost. This is the American ideal we celebrate.
By Hillbilly Deluxe
November 3, 2008 7:12 PM | Link to this
To RW @ 6:51PM Amen Brother, preach on.
By Soixante huitard
November 3, 2008 7:25 PM | Link to this
At the same time, when it comes to absolute truth about eternal life He is absolutely intolerant.
The focus in this case being on the word absolute.
By Middle Class Tax Payer
November 3, 2008 7:26 PM | Link to this
If Barack Obama wins, I assume that all of the doomsday protagonist on this blog will quietly remove themselves from active postings. I hope not because their thought process and resultant rants are LOL. The only thing funnier is Sarah Palin talking. DON’T FORGET TO VOTE IF YOU HAVE NOT ALREADY DONE SO.
By "The Corporal"
November 3, 2008 7:28 PM | Link to this
To Soixante huitard
Well, I’m very happy you agree with me on that one because most people, even “Christians” (“not everyone who calls me Lord will enter the Kingdom of Heaven”) who are universalists, get pretty hot with me. It’s the perfect example of being tolerant with people but intolerant of their beliefs.
For example, I am tolerant of people who believe it is o.k. to take the life of an unborn child. I have friends and relatives of that persuasion. However, I will fight them politically, legally and spiritually at every turn !
By AJC/DNC Management
November 3, 2008 7:38 PM | Link to this
By Middle Class Tax Payer November 3, 2008 7:26 PM If Barack Obama wins, I assume that all of the doomsday protagonist on this blog will quietly remove themselves from active postings.
Do you promise the same, MCTP?
I already have TW figured for a name change.
I’ll spot him, don’t worry.
By Soixante huitard
November 3, 2008 7:46 PM | Link to this
Darnedst thing just happened: We just got a personal phone call from none other than Hank Williams Jr.!
How would he have had time, on election eve and all?
By NRB
November 3, 2008 7:48 PM | Link to this
Jay, I have a hot tip that will really help you out next year.
When you shoplift a box of pencils to sell on the street corner, you can double your profit by cutting the pencils in half and sharpening one end of each half.
Happy trails, partner.
By ron
November 3, 2008 7:52 PM | Link to this
Mrs.Godzilla,——-for your information Sharia law has been enacted in Great Britian.At this point it is only used to settle civil complaints,but and a big but,domestic vioence is one of the things to be setled by Sharia.
In Canada,Muslim men are marrying 4 wives.It is as yet not legal,but it is being overlooked.It is reported that they draw separate welfare checks for each wife.Canada is a Socialist country.
Sweet potato pie made here is spiced like a pumpkin pie.I find the texture and taste superior with sweet potatos.
By Soixante huitard
November 3, 2008 7:54 PM | Link to this
Corporal: I am tolerant of people who believe it is o.k. to take the life of an unborn child. I have friends and relatives of that persuasion.
I don’t have an answer on that one, but neither do I have one for mothers who leave their newborns in dumpsters.
However, I will fight them politically, legally and spiritually at every turn.
You’re in good company.
By Frederick Douglass
November 3, 2008 7:55 PM | Link to this
robdawg08 @ 5:05, if Obama was named George Washington Jefferson Lincoln, would he be more palatable? The reason his name is an issue to so many on the right is because it’s part of the flak that’s thrown up to muddle the issues. I’m an African American with a western sounding name, but I’ve known since I was five that it is only a name that was assigned to my slave ancestors. My name doesn’t define me, Obama’s shouldn’t define him, does yours define you?
By TW
November 3, 2008 7:58 PM | Link to this
TW, what part of “no personal attacks” are you having a hard time comprehending?
— JAY
By Bud Wiser
November 3, 2008 8:02 PM | Link to this
Here is the ‘new’ economy under Obama:
Cavuto (I think) stated recently he has a friend in S. Florida who owns a restaurant and employs 27 people. His business has been good enough that he was thinking of opening another, plus a small complimentary grocery store.
After having his accountant go over the books to analyze his prospects under the tax increases for doing such, they came to the conclusion that it would no longer be possible, thanks to the planned increases. And these are just the ones we know about.
Bye bye 30 - 40 new jobs.
Bye bye business expansion.
Just out of curiosity, he asked his employees if they had a choice, would they rather have the $600 to $1000 bucks in their pockets now that the Token One is promising, or would they rather just go with the expansion should the tax increases not come through.
To a person, they said they’d rather take the chances on the potential growth, instead of the ready “cash now”.
Well, they can kiss that opportunity goodbye, plus the possibility that if taxes are worse than planned, he may have to either lay off workers, or shut down entirely.
Thank you, oh Token One, and all of your supporters for your visionary economics.
And this will not be an isolated situation either. I’m sure the thousands of small business owners that will be similarly affected would like to see the faces of the brain dead that may vote them out of existence. They might have a few choice words or opinion of the absolute blind ignorance of the Obamaniacs.
Gimme, gimme, gimme what you got, Your hard earned working money ain’t so hot; By the time Dems take their share, Raping wallets without care, We won’t have what we worked for in our ‘pot’.
By Middle Class Tax Payer
November 3, 2008 8:07 PM | Link to this
AJC/DNC Management,
As I said in my original post, you and your cohorts provide many laughs . If Barack Obama loses, then the people will have spoken. I will continue to laugh at your posts and Sarah Palin as she runs the Senate. Did you check in with the RNC and Fox News today for your talkimg points? Obama’s comment about the coal industry should have given you a lot of amunition for your rants. Don’t forget to vote tomorrow and enjoy your day.
By Mrs.Godzilla
November 3, 2008 8:11 PM | Link to this
ron
I’ll do my homework on sharia law in Britain (is that like blue laws?) and Multi-marrying muslim canucks. (big love?)
First I have to tell that lovely old woman, who spent her first sixty some years here, she’s been making her pies wrong all these years.
By RW-(the original)
November 3, 2008 8:17 PM | Link to this
Jay B,
It might be time for you to rush out another Sarah’Cuda post.
ANCHORAGE, Alaska — A report has cleared Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin of ethics violations in the firing of her public safety commissioner.
Released Monday, the report says there is no probable cause to believe Palin or any other state official violated the Alaska Executive Ethics Act in connection with the firing. The report was prepared by Timothy Petumenos, an independent counsel for the Alaska Personnel Board
By Soixante huitard
November 3, 2008 8:19 PM | Link to this
But Bud Wiser, Cavuto is a partisan commentator, so naturally it will be easy for him to gin up some anecdotal evidence that supports the McCain view.
Naturally somebody who associates with the Fox network’s business commentator is probably going to interpret their indivdiual and business decisions in partisan terms.
By AJC/DNC Management
November 3, 2008 8:20 PM | Link to this
ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) - A report has cleared Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin of ethics violations in the firing of her public safety commissioner.
Released Monday, the report says there is no probable cause to believe Palin or any other state official violated the Alaska Executive Ethics Act in connection with the firing. The report was prepared by Timothy Petumenos, an independent counsel for the Alaska Personnel Board.
Huh, an independent counsel and not a goon democrat.
You libs are going to hate the word independent by the time this is all over.
By TW
November 3, 2008 8:22 PM | Link to this
Jay - The Honorable AJC/DNC Management called me a ‘name changer’ - few things lower than that in blogland.
Why does The Honorable AJC/DNC get a pass?
If this is part of you setting the post-Obama landslide tone - I can respect that. However, hiding it behind me not understanding ‘personal attacks’ is a little rob Peter to pay Paulish, wouldn’t ya say?
By Tom
November 3, 2008 8:23 PM | Link to this
Today, here in Fla the fake “war hero” is running non-stop Rev. Wright commercials. Figures. Me, I would have chosen to reveal McShame’s Navy activities and history of “service.” Sordid indeed.
By Middle Class Tax Payer
November 3, 2008 8:23 PM | Link to this
Bud Wiser,
I see that drinking a Bud has not made you any wiser. Did you also get your talking point from Fox News. Are you,ron, AJC/DNC Management, “The Corporal” and RB from Gwinnett one and the same? If not, you guys need to create a band and call yourselves “The Whinning Palins”. Don’t forget to vote tomorrow and have a good day.
By G
November 3, 2008 8:41 PM | Link to this
Never before have I read an article that I’ve wanted SO desperately to believe, but seen so much evidence to the contrary that I can’t help but chuckle mirthlessly.
The “hippie socialist” argument will continue on forever, and Democrats will only be voted into office during a downturn in the economy.
Obama/Biden ‘08
By Dave
November 3, 2008 8:47 PM | Link to this
Palin the last ‘culture warrior’? Jay do you really think the “culture war” is over and she’s the last warrior? I’ll give you that the liberals may have won this battle, but we have many fine young men and women who will continue to fight until we win. So take a break, we’re still here ready for the next engagement…
By AJC/DNC Management
November 3, 2008 8:51 PM | Link to this
Dave: If you don’t vote, you lost this battle.
The libs have won nothing yet.
By "The Corporal"
November 3, 2008 8:53 PM | Link to this
To Soixante huitard
I am a little confused. If I understand you correctly, you are very much prolife but from other posts I believe you support Obama ??
By Soixante huitard
November 3, 2008 8:56 PM | Link to this
I’ll give you that the liberals may have won this battle, but we have many fine young men and women who will continue to fight until we win.
Hm. Well, Jay, there’s your answer.
By AJC/DNC Management
November 3, 2008 8:56 PM | Link to this
Oh, I get it, you can mock someone’s nickname and their family and it is not a “personal attack.”
By dw
November 3, 2008 8:57 PM | Link to this
To By Tom @8:23PM,
Yeah nobody should worry that Obama was effected by years of listening to “hate America” and “hate whitey” propaganda. He was sleeping through those 20 years of “church” services and didn’t agree with it and didn’t know a thing about it. We need someone that “observant” or false leading the country. As for McCain, years in Vietnam POW camp, surviving that horror, in the service of our country - McCain is a better man than that of you, me, or the so called “Rev” Wright.
By dw
November 3, 2008 9:06 PM | Link to this
To By Tom @8:23PM
Tom, also if McCain’s activities were so sordid, the media would have brought it to light and crucified him. The fact that they haven’t leads me to think you are full of b.s.
By Soixante huitard
November 3, 2008 9:08 PM | Link to this
Has your family been mocked, Management?
If so, I’ve missed it.
By Soixante huitard
November 3, 2008 9:32 PM | Link to this
Hi Corporal (‘I am a little confused. If I understand you correctly, you are very much prolife but from other posts I believe you support Obama ??’):
I was agreeing with you about the political significance of the absoluteness of truth. But no, actually I am not ‘prolife’ if by that you mean a comitment to achieve a specific legislative agenda on the matter of abortion. When I mentioned the mother who leaves her newborn in a dumpster you’ll notice the typical leftist attempt to remind those on the right that when speaking of these matters it’s also necessary to keep these other kinds of incidents in view even as we lament abortion becuase even if you succeed in outlawing abortion, until you address the reality of these other events you still haven’t accomplished anything of real value to my view.
When I speak of the absolute, I don’t see that as being something that we can fully grasp and translate into specific answers to policy questions just because we want to. To cite just one other example, what would your take be on capital punishment? Would I be wrong to suspect that as a conservative christian you would not be as eager to speak out against these killings as you are about those you see as being committed with abortions? Well, as I see it, there is not one iota of difference. row a curve ball to you and ask you your take on capital punishment, for example.
By Bud Wiser
November 3, 2008 9:42 PM | Link to this
MCTP,
I really don’t give a crap if you believe what I said or not. It is what it is, and your guffaws notwithstanding, shall remain so. I was repeating a story as a point of emphasis so those with an even small shred of a brain could see what is happening here. It obviously flew thousands of feet over your head, so I’ll try to simplify it in the future just for you, okay?
I don’t doubt you don’t believe Cavuto, but had it been some tool like Carville or Jon Stewart, you’d have been sobbing for hours, and probably run yourself headfirst into a door jamb 7 or 8 times in your misery.
We shall see if you are so proud of the Token One in a year or two.
I voted 2 weeks ago.
Have a glorious evening; it is night, you know …. just look outside …it is dark …that is your first clue.
Peace.
By "The Corporal"
November 3, 2008 9:49 PM | Link to this
To Soixante huitard
I understand where you are coming from on both issues.
1) Life must be nurtured after one is born as well. This country is not perfect but I think we do as good a job on that as anyone in the world but we can always do better. That doesn’t however excuse the taking of innocent unborn life and in the case of Obama’s voting record even after a baby is aborted but still living. I find that totally repugnant, disturbing and incomprehensible.
2) And that brings me to your second point about capital punishment. The difference is innocent life vs. criminal conduct. I have no problem with capital punishment but I would probably vote for life in prison if I knew it meant life with the condition that if you killed someone in prison then all bets were off.
By Soixante huitard
November 3, 2008 9:50 PM | Link to this
Yeah nobody should worry that Obama was effected by years of listening to “hate America” and “hate whitey” propaganda. He was sleeping through those 20 years of “church” services
OK, I’ll take a stab at this since it doesn’t look like anyone else is going to.
The preacher’s rants against America, distasteful as they may have been when aired publically, are nothing that this preacher should necessarily be ashamed of nor is it in any way a blemish on Barack Obama’s integrity or a disqualification of him as a candidate.
But wasn’t what Wright said equal to the radical mullahs preaching hate and sending those out to do harm and become terrorists?
Not really. The reverend was delivering his rant as part of a theological tradition of preaching that is passionately committed to the pursuit of justice. This justice is understood in a social sense, something that many middle class whites may have trouble understanding. Sorry to sound condescending, but the continuing ads running on my tv right now tell me that this is soething that whites continue to have a passionate commitment to denying and to that extent it doesn’t speak well of them, especially when those people call themselves Christian. Wouldn’t you agree, Corporal?
By "The Corporal"
November 3, 2008 10:01 PM | Link to this
To Soixante huitard
I’m not sure exactly where you are coming from on this one but :
1) Rev. Wright had every right to say what he did in this free country of ours. 2) Just because he is a Reverend does not mean he is a “Christian” (only God knows his heart). 3) Obama showed a complete lack of common sense for staying in a church with that kind of theology if he intended to run for President.
Have I answered your question ?
By Bud Wiser
November 3, 2008 10:05 PM | Link to this
By Soixante huitard
November 3, 2008 9:50 PM
…Not really. The reverend (Wright) was delivering his rant as part of a theological tradition of preaching that is passionately committed to the pursuit of justice.
So, is that justice in the part where he says “No, no, no, not God Bless America, but God Damn America!?
Or is that justice to be found in his “U S KKK of America”?
Or is it compared to the popular term “O.J. (Simpson) justice”, where a black man can virtually decapitate his ex-wife, and stab her young man friend to death, but that’s okay because it is some sort of weird retribution and retaliation against the ‘white man’s’ judicial system? Innocence by jury nullification?
What is it, exactly? You have to be more specific, because MCTP and others are reading, and empty inquiring minds want to know!
Me, I already know what it is exactly what you mean.
If you have to ask me to explain it to you, then I guess it sort of means that you may have gone off on some meaningless rant with no point, purpose, or reason of your own, but just failed to recognize it.
Please try to be more enlightening in the future, you know, the K.I.S.S. system for readers from the left.
Peace.
By Amelia
November 3, 2008 10:23 PM | Link to this
Wow Soixante, you’ve just seen an ad and have determined the majority of middle class white people are racist. That in itself is racist. May I remind you white middle class people make up a large portion of this country, a portion that Obama is counting on to win this election. Many of those white middle class people have not yet voted. They may see this comment and determine that most black people feel the way you do.
By TN Gelding
November 3, 2008 11:18 PM | Link to this
Bud Wiser
November 3, 2008 8:02 PM
Pure fiction.
Very few businesses, especially restaurants, are thinking about expanding in this economy. The small tax increase would be more than offset with help on providing health insurance for employees. The gloom and doom you guys are predicting is already here.
We don’t need any more restaurants. We need well paying manufacturing jobs.
By Soixante huitard
November 3, 2008 11:20 PM | Link to this
Wow Soixante, you’ve just seen an ad and have determined the majority of middle class white people are racist. That in itself is racist.
Yeah, good thing I’m not representing the candidacy of Barack Obama.
It’s not for nothing that I’m not in politics. :-)
By Soixante huitard
November 3, 2008 11:33 PM | Link to this
Wow Soixante, you’ve just seen an ad and have determined the majority of middle class white people are racist. That in itself is racist.
But seriously, Amelia, you’re a bit off base here I must say.
The word ‘racist’ in this context is yours, not mine. I stopped short of saying that, which would have changed the nature of my argument entirely. (I don’t claim to be in any position to accuse others of being racist.) I only remarked on the fact that the TV ad is running which includes clips of the reverend’s greatest hits as though they speak for themselves as being outrageous.
And the reason for that, I presume, is that many white Americans don’t like hearing these kinds of things said about their country. They think they’ve done quite enough thank you very much.
But I’m curious. Why did you jump so quickly to the conclusion that I was accusing middle class whites of being racist? Unless of course it’s already in your mind on some level as something you’re not entirely comfortable about. Think there might be some of that at work here?
But to come back to the theological level, and to address Bud Wiser’s queries, let me just say: think Old Testament prophets. (Google prophet Jeremiah, Amos, etc., if you’re not familiar with this school of thought. Check it out. It’s quite bracing, I promise.)
By Soixante huitard
November 3, 2008 11:48 PM | Link to this
I’ll weigh in on this one, too, Bud Wiser:
Or is it compared to the popular term “O.J. (Simpson) justice”, where a black man can virtually decapitate his ex-wife, and stab her young man friend to death, but that’s okay because it is some sort of weird retribution and retaliation against the ‘white man’s’ judicial system? I
The OJ Simpson verdict was not an act of justice, I wouldn’t think. Just an assertion by the jury of plausibility. It was plausible that OJ Simpson was framed, so he walked. Simple as that .
Just like many nice upstanding white family men living in the Jim Crow South - who just happened to attend bonfires and wear robes in their spare time - could claim plausible deniability in the kangaroo courts that served the interests of their social (that word again) group’s interests.
See, once you’ve politicized race and justice, these things become possible and don’t only go in one direction.
Thank god for the Civil Rights movement for ruthlessly politicizing race and allowing us to rise out of that swamp. The next chapter of which we’re on the eve of witnessing. More than a touch of redemption in that one might say.
By Soixante huitard
November 3, 2008 11:53 PM | Link to this
Now, with all that unloaded and no witty repartee on the horizon, I’ll retire to my Larry King double header.
By Enlightened
November 4, 2008 3:48 AM | Link to this
To Eli Jones: I find it interesting that you skipped right past five Republicans before you got to Hilary. Also interesting that there are only Democrats on your list. Here the list of the in-betweens, Dems and Reps, that you missed.
Bennett, Robert (R) - $107,999 Bachus, Spencer (R) - $103,300 Blunt, Roy (R) - $96,950 Kanjorski, Paul (D) - $96,000 Bond, Christopher (R) - $95,400 Shelby, Richard (R) - $80,000 Reed, Jack (D) - $78,250 Reid, Harry - (D) - $77,000
By Enlightened
November 4, 2008 4:06 AM | Link to this
Also noticed that our own Saxby Chambliss, Johnny Isakson, David Scott, John Lewis, Tom Price, John Linder, Hank Johnson, Sanford Bishop Jr., and Jim Marshall are all on the list for having received contributions from the same PACs. Hmmm, must go with the political territory.
Given that everyone is on it, I guess we need to look for another cause for the $700 million bailout need of the deregulated industry that ran amok offering banking “products”/pyramid scheme. I want a bailout plan too!
By spankmonkey
November 4, 2008 7:04 AM | Link to this
“Somali Muslim cab drivers are refusing to follow American laws and regulations of the Minneapolis Airport Authority. We are not talking about just a handfull of drivers, more than 80% are refusing to carry passengers who have any alcohol. What’s next?
Tip of the iceberg ………”
Yup and I read about pharmacists in pennsylvania refusing to dispense legal prescriptions due to thier religious leanings… are they muslims and does the venerable Corporal support them?
The “free market” should handle your muslim cabdrivers as the more they fares they refuse the less money they’ll make.
By Middle Class Tax Payer
November 4, 2008 7:27 AM | Link to this
Bud Wiser,
I awoke this morning and thought that I would check this blog to see what additional comments had been posted. I see that you responded to my comment but you appear to have lost your point of view by being sarcastic and condescending. Again, you really do sound like a Fox News surrogate. TN Gelding and Soixante huitard really did a good job of representing my point of view. Enjoy the most glorious day in the history of America.
By CommunistAJC
November 4, 2008 7:39 AM | Link to this
Taxpayer, Neiman Marxist only fits Obama Hussein. Doesn’t make any sense to call Palin a Marxist because she’s a 100% capitalist. Go sell stupid somewhere else.
Mrs. Godzilla, And which Pulitzer winner might you be referring to? Would it be Arafat? Or Jimmy Carter? Understand where I’m going with this?
By CommunistAJC
November 4, 2008 7:44 AM | Link to this
JAY BOOKMAN, Since when did Palin become the last culture warrior? Last time I checked, Bill O’Reilly had that title. Liberals are the same people who claimed that Rush Limbaugh was done 20 years ago. He’s still here and has over 30 million listeners a week. Your problem is that you don’t see the big picture. Newspapers are tanking because people see through your crap. I believe that you and your papers days are numbered. That is, unless the government gives you a bailout.
By GaLiberal
November 4, 2008 8:25 AM | Link to this
While the popular vote may be 11%-7% in favor of Obama, it is the electoral college that matters. I have a bad feeling that McCain will lie enough to carry FL, VA, NC, and OH. That should be enough to offset Obama’s secured electoral votes. It will be McCain 276/47% to Obama 262/52%. The Rethuglicons will get their people out to vote in droves today and swamp the early Obama votes. I hope it’s not true, but after the 2004 election I hold little hope for the Democrats. There are enough closet racists out there that no matter what they say publicly will not vote for Obama simply because he’s “black.” It’s a sad commentary on America, but the election today will drive that point home. We are a nation of racists.
When you vote Rethuglicon, you vote against your own best interests. And the last eight years are living proof.
By Bud Wiser
November 4, 2008 8:29 AM | Link to this
I just stumbled across TN Geldings comment about “we don’t need any more restaurant jobs..” garbage.
So now the Dimocrats are going to determine who works where, as what? I would say that that is about the most idiotic, least cognizant thought-out answer and statement that I have ever seen in my life, but I won’t.
The intelligence behind that answer speaks for itself, and it is not very loud. Whether or not you think we need more manufacturing jobs (Such as?????), as opposed to restaurant, I’d say a man willing to work will take just about anything he can get, and a job is a job is a job, etc, etc.
You cannot compete with my superior intellect Gelding, so don’t try. You are exposing yourself in public (again).
By GaLiberal
November 4, 2008 8:34 AM | Link to this
While the popular vote may be 11%-7% in favor of Obama, it is the electoral college that matters. I have a bad feeling that McCain will lie enough to carry FL, VA, NC, and OH. That should be enough to offset Obama’s secured electoral votes. It will be McCain 276/47% to Obama 262/52%. The Rethuglicons will get their people out to vote in droves today and swamp the early Obama votes. I hope it’s not true, but after the 2004 election I hold little hope for the Democrats. There are enough closet racists out there that no matter what they say publicly will not vote for Obama simply because he’s “black.” It’s a sad commentary on America, but the election today will drive that point home. We are a nation of racists.
When you vote Rethuglicon, you vote against your own best interests. And the last eight years are living proof.
By TN Gelding
November 4, 2008 8:58 AM | Link to this
Bud Wiser
November 4, 2008 8:29 AM
You sound like Dan Quayle when he noticed McDs had a help wanted sign.
Yeah, those busboy and dishwasher jobs pay real well, and they depend on you to pay the wait staff. Who can afford to eat out anyway?
I bet you pay more in tips than the taxes that you hate to pay to support the troops and the military-industrial complex.
Manufacturing jobs.
What is it with you people that think you are of such superior intellect? The fact that you would state that is very revealing.
Political science is not rocket science. The problems we face have simple solutions. The politicians just don’t have the courage or will to do it.
By bubba
November 4, 2008 9:22 AM | Link to this
And you GOP folks thought Palin was the second coming of Reagan. Can’t wait for her celebrity to go away tomorrow. Golly, ya’ll were so desperate for that edge, huh? Pathetic.
By TN Gelding
November 4, 2008 9:24 AM | Link to this
Bud Wiser
November 4, 2008 8:29 AM
Restaurant closings.
The last thing you would want to do in Mr. Duhbya’s faltering economy is open another restaurant. Maybe this time next year.
By Manny
November 4, 2008 10:18 AM | Link to this
Let me state this in the clearest possible terms: SARAH PALIN IS A MORON. I thought no one could beat Dan Quayle until she came along. As far as immigration is concerned, no society ever stays static forever. Whether we like it or not a DAY IS COMMING WHEN THE MAJORITY IN THIS COUNTRY WILL BECOME MINORITY. THERE’S ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ANYONE CAN DO ABOUT THAT. NOTHING!
By Say What?
November 4, 2008 10:45 AM | Link to this
I regretfully beg to differ with Peter Beinart’s thesis that Sarah Palin is the last of the right’s “culture warriors”. She is merely the latest. As long as the Republican base continues to play the income tax card, the abortion card, the gun card, or the homosexuality card, there will be a place for another Sarah Palin, front and center in fact. It’s a sad reflection on the composition of our electorate, but the truth nonetheless.
By Dan
November 4, 2008 10:54 AM | Link to this
We have entered the Britney Spears era of politics. Despite having zero accomplishments and radical ideas, if you can sing or speak well (or be aided by sound systems and teleprompters) you are idolized. and we all saw what happened to her! Thank goodness our system of government is such that one person cannot bring it down. (Although it is frightning to contemplate what pelosi, reid and obama could do together.)
By reebok
November 4, 2008 11:16 AM | Link to this
The right-wing commentariat is in such a tizzy at the looming blowout, they can’t even decide on a story and stick to it…they are vacillating between “the polls show we’re gaining!” and “we don’t believe the polls!”
By TN Gelding
November 4, 2008 11:26 AM | Link to this
Dan
November 4, 2008 10:54 AM
You left out educated and knowledgeable on the issues.
You would have preferred Hillary?
Commander-in-Chief?
By black beauty
November 4, 2008 11:31 AM | Link to this
GET USE TO IT WHAT IS FIRST WILL BE LAST AND WHAT IS LAST WILL BE FIRST we the minority will in the next 20 years will be the MAJORITY. PUT IT IN YOUR PIPE AND SMOKE IT
By Mike
November 4, 2008 11:32 AM | Link to this
Does Bookman think that he is not a “culture warrior”?
The lack of self-awareness is astounding!
By Lee
November 4, 2008 11:53 AM | Link to this
Newton said that “If I can see further than other men, it is because I stand on the shoulders of giants.” Palin, in pursuing the conservative cause, is standing on the shoulders of many former liberals.
They are the ones who said women can come out from the home and participate on an even playing field against men; that women who win should get equal pay and equal respect; that ideas and experience should matter more than gender; that having children should not require the woman to stay at home all the time.
These ideas were rife in the 1950s and 1960s, when many conservatives said that women who leave the homefront to work or run for office were sluts and abusive moms; that the nation would fall apart if the hand that rocked the cradle should go into the work force; that american tradition demanded that women abide by the decisions of men, andthat they should be punished and harrassed if they dared move into a man’s world.
Well, there is many a bra-burning radical feminist liberal who gave Sarah Palin a chance to run as a conservative. It just goes to show that today’s conservative is standing on a liberal plank. She should thank the women who went before, and challenged the conservative thinking in order to win the vote for women, for equal pay and equal access; and for changing the social mores so that women can be fully human instead of a drudge at home.
Twenty years from now, conservative women will be running to preserve the liberal views of today. Meanwhile, the liberals will be off creating new ideas for the next day- the conservatives will remain behind, defending the past’s liberal ideals.
So sad.
By John
November 4, 2008 12:08 PM | Link to this
The first votes are in and have been counted. No Blacks, no Hispanics, no welfare queens, no MSM. Just plain old Americans who feel that Obama is the best choice. You 25% will soon have to come to grips with the fact that Americans want to go a different way. We survivied 8 years of “W” and I am confident Obama will leave this country in better shape than he got it.
By AGTFan
November 4, 2008 12:39 PM | Link to this
Jay, reading your own blog indicates that the right wing culture warriors are alive and well in Georgia.
By pjohn
November 4, 2008 1:36 PM | Link to this
I hope so, Jay, but I doubt it.
There is an anti-intellectualism to the culture warriors that I find really disturbing.
I vote Democrat more often than not, but there are many conservative thinkers who I really respect and listen to, including John McCain. Yet, the Republican party keeps putting intellectually uncurious, anti-science people like Sarah Palin and George Bush on their tickets.
I want a President that I can respect, even if I disagree with him or her.
By MikeN
November 4, 2008 3:15 PM | Link to this
Jay, if the defeat of McCain/Palin means the end of political culture wars in American politics, does this mean you and the other AJC political op-ed folks will cease waging your daily war on the affluent and/or wealthy class? I anxiously await your reply, as always.
By hhhhmmmm
November 4, 2008 3:15 PM | Link to this
It’s an interesting hypothesis that Palin is the last of the culture warriors. But if that’s the case, does Palin’s purported demise indicate a death of the culture warriors on the left? This article, and the philosophy in which it’s based, indicates that the left faction of the culture wars are alive and well.
I, too, hope the culture wars are finally waning. But for that to happen, the left, along with the right, will have to forego the belief that anyone with a different opinion is wrong. I don’t think this article sees a problem with the left’s dismissal of the right. It seems singularly entrenched in the idea that now everybody’s finally “gotten it.”
Everytime we have a changing of the guard, the winning party/philosophy seems to think it’s a mandate for their ideals. Until that stops, I don’t think the culture wars will abate.
The continuation of the culture wars are now in the hands of the left. Let’s see how well they do with propulgating their demise.
By h ryder
November 4, 2008 4:15 PM | Link to this
Europe is not handling the immigration problem, basically, the situation is ignored unless the newcomers or their now physically mature offspring riot. Then the Europeans, in most cases, cave in and buy calm and relative peace temporarily. The point is people become aware that life can be better if they relocate. However, they do not realize that they need to change to gain the better things they desire in life. So they go about changing the system to fit them and return to the same situation from which they fled except it is in a new location.