Jay Bookman

By ByteMe

November 2, 2008 6:21 AM | Link to this

We need a unilateral disarmament from the “tax cuts good” mentality that hides the underlying discussion of what size we as a nation truly want our government.

All evidence indicates that we want a large government with a decent social safety net for all. However, the Republican way for the past 30 years was to say we could have all that AND tax cuts and Republicans still won’t admit the obvious that it creates a massive debt that eventually has to be repaid by increasing taxes.

Neither party is interested in shrinking the size of government. That’s not how politicians get re-elected. All politics is local — “what have you done for us lately.” A good argument for term limits or cutting their pay and pensions to make it difficult to stay in Washington for more than a few years.

I miss the Republican’s “Contract”. Back then, being responsible for the size of government was important. However, I think a lot of it had to do with Ross Perot and his charts and “sucking sound” bringing the problem to everyone’s attention in a way that made them mad and want to yell at their congresscritter.

Where are the adults when we need them?

By Taxpayer

November 2, 2008 6:29 AM | Link to this

Good morning, Jay.

In the spirit of expanding on this need to put an end to this Republican philosophy (as well as many other Republican “wrongs”) of robbing from the future to fund our exploits of today, I hereby propose an end to Daylight Savings Time. Why do we insist on robbing this hour from our futures for part of the year only to find ourselves paying it back a few months later.

By AJC/DNC Management

November 2, 2008 6:36 AM | Link to this

Play nice, yeah, o.k.

I wonder what would happen to me, hated Conservative, if I were to ever start name jacking liberals, hmmmmmmm?

By AJC/DNC Management November 2, 2008 1:04 AM I’m sure that by tomorrow morning Bush/McCain will be playing the Theme from Rocky as he appears on stage before 250 to 300 people at his next campaign stop.

This is the new civility?

And why do I have to whine to get these things taken down, what did you do, go through and scan the comments for the word “moron” only?

By AJC/DNC Management

November 2, 2008 6:43 AM | Link to this

We’ve been stealing from our children and grandchildren, taxing their futures with neither their knowledge or permission. That’s how we’ve financed our tax cuts, social programs, wars, etc. The national debt has essentially doubled — from $5 trillion to $10 trillion — just in the past eight years.

I could have sworn I heard the Lovely Barak Obama promising “tax cuts” and a massive increase in “social programs,” umm, what’s up?

Are these different sorts of government spending that the Lovely Barak will bring upon us?

Or will he take it out on those already footing the majority of the bill?

Yeah, they probably won’t hide their money-

Dow Jones Industrial Average

By SOUTHERN ATL

November 2, 2008 6:44 AM | Link to this

The people of GEORGIA have BARACK OBAMA and JOHN MARTIN….on their minds…just an old sweet song…one that will be sung when standing in the SUPER LONG voting lines on NOVEMBER 4. Georgia, old Georgia the whole day through..just an old sweet song that keeps GEORGIA ON OUR MINDS to turn BLUE!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxaajpwInFU&feature=related

LEAVE EARLY TO VOTE ON TUESDAY….The lines will be long but hang in there!!

JAY, I told you that this will be the BIGGEST upset of the SOUTH!!!

YOU BETCHA!!!

By AJC/DNC Management

November 2, 2008 6:52 AM | Link to this

Well it’s comforting to see that none of the socialists can answer the question of what a “Civilian National Defense Force” is, although they did try-

al-Gitmo: Intel-

*Yo, duh airplane just hit dat bilding, yo.”

Horsey: “Peace Corps (Wonderful)”-

“Yo, Zimbabwe is lovely this time of year, uh, plus y’all get one turnip for every thousand that you pick. Your fambly will be along shortly, ha. Dis is your hut, the hundred other people in there are yo guests.”

I wonder how much all this will cost?

Allah Akbar!

By AJC/DNC Management

November 2, 2008 7:00 AM | Link to this

So many lies:

Two nuclear plants are located in coastal Georgia’s watersheds: Plant Hatch in Baxley, along the Altamaha River, and Plant Vogtle near Augusta, on the Savannah River. Not only are their radioactive operations a continuing risk, but these plants consume vast quantities of water. At a time when Georgia is in escalating disputes over water supply, this must be a critical consideration in making energy choices.-AJC/DNC

Nuclear plants generate heat, heat that must be cooled by water, water which is returned to the stream it was drawn from minus what is lost to steam.

Do tell, liberals, how do the coal plants we have now operate?

The same way as nuclear, except with a 100% more harmful emissions?

By SOUTHERN ATL

November 2, 2008 7:03 AM | Link to this

Jay, I thought that you banned AJC/DNC Management. Why is he still here?? Does he EVER have anything positive to say??

By AJC/DNC Management

November 2, 2008 7:06 AM | Link to this

The “new” civility-

But how does a party of Palinism — elite-bashing, “real America”-loving, anti-intellectual, xenophobic and racially intolerant simplemindedness — turn around and embrace a figure like Jindal?-Queen Pinko, Urinal

Hey, at least she didn’t call us “morons.”

By the way, some of us did want Jindal.

And are smart enough to realize that McCain made the right choice because we know these haters would have destroyed him if he would have been chosen.

You have to be “stupid” to believe otherwise.

By Bud Wiser

November 2, 2008 7:17 AM | Link to this

Sorry I missed all of the discussions yesterday, but I was in a mild catatonic state after watching the Dawgs get booted all around the stadium. My predictive powers were slightly off … I said Dawgs by 10, not Dawgs score only 10. A mixup in the wiring.

I’m not sure what the point of Jay’s column is, other than it appears to be a stab at some sort of justification for Obama’s intended stealing from the present in what should amount to be massive tax hikes on virtually everyone, in every class, high, middle, low. Somebody’s gotta pay, and that somebody is anyone with cash (that means you too, Dimocrats)… the Change you can believe in” slogan will come true indeed, especially the part about *because change is all you’ll have left in your pocket after the tax bills arrive.

What else can it be?

Already he has promised tax hikes, stifled the press by tossing select ones off his plane, and plans to create a 21st century version (although so far, presumably “peaceful”) of something not terribly unlike the Gestapo, with his “Civilian National Security Force …Obama - “We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded (as the military).” My question is, what does he think we have local cops, the FBI, ATF, and other agencies for? Why is this so necessary? Is this an update of the New Deal? What???

Brief history lesson here from Wikipedia: The Gestapo had the authority to investigate treason, espionage and sabotage cases, and cases of criminal attacks on the Nazi Party and Germany. A law passed by the government in 1936 gave the Gestapo carte blanche to operate without judicial oversight. The Gestapo was specifically exempted from responsibility to administrative courts, where citizens normally could sue the state to conform to laws. As early as 1935, however, a Prussian administrative court had ruled that the Gestapo’s actions were not subject to judicial review.

In various countries of Central and Eastern Europe, Gestapo is used as a derogatory name for all police forces, but particularly the communist-era riot police, such as ZOMO. Elsewhere, the term is commonly used to describe any group involved in overzealous enforcement of specific tastes or views (e.g. “the style Gestapo”, “the political-correctness Gestapo”).*

This plan will be worth watching, indeed.

For all of you Conservatives - offshore now! Your window of opportunity is shrinking. If Obama wins on Tuesday, the market for the rest of the week should be, well, interesting to watch. Massive stock dumps ahead, I predict at least a thousand point drop by Friday.

There is a silver lining though; should the Dimocrats win, as so very fragile as our economy is right now, they will destroy or cripple it further so very quickly with massive tax hikes, that 2 years will not come fast enough for voters to start showing them the door. Two years after that, Obama - gone.

I also predict that Obama will so severely damage not only the economy, but our national reputation so badly that he will virtually assure on his own that no black American will see the inside of the Oval Office for decades to come, even if one of superior character and wisdom (2 things he does not have) comes along.

So Conservatives, cheer up! I am not a believer in the Doomsday Scenario as some of you seem to be about the day after tomorrow, but if the worst happens, we’ll just have to all be more like Martha Stewart, and”suck it in”, at least for a little while.

And just think of the possibilities in the ‘Blame Game’!

By SOUTHERN ATL

November 2, 2008 7:28 AM | Link to this

TAXES, TAXES, TAXES….

OBAMA/BIDEN TAX CALCULATOR YOU DO THE MATH:

http://taxcut.barackobama.com/

By Taxpayer

November 2, 2008 7:41 AM | Link to this

Bud Wiser,

Who do you think should pay for the Iraq war, the $700 billion bailout, the prescription drug program, etc. I’m just curious to hear your thoughts on paying for things that our own government gave us in our, the voters, name. I mean, clearly, we have not been collecting enough in taxes over the last 8 years to even break even. We added an additional $5 trillion dollars to the debt and no one is willing to face up to it — Republican or Democrat. Do we just continue on with our blinders on until the checks start to bounce, until the creditors pull the lines of credit and foreclose for lack of payment. What? You seem to be espousing that now is the time for all good citizens to bail out of the US with cash in hand. Is that your plan, really?

By AJC/DNC Management

November 2, 2008 7:52 AM | Link to this

By SOUTHERN ATL November 2, 2008 7:03 AM Jay, I thought that you banned AJC/DNC Management. Why is he still here?? Does he EVER have anything positive to say??

The Gestapo would like that, wouldn’t they?

By ron

November 2, 2008 7:59 AM | Link to this

Good morning again,The world’s people and especially the people in this country have been on a massive spending spree.They have spent the future of two generations.They have bought things that didn’t need buying and shoved aside things that needed attending to now.To simply keep the status quo will mean a tax increase.If you want to pay the deficit,a larger increase will be in order.Should you want actual progress on some of the problems facing us,such as an aged infrastructure,that will require an even larger tax increase.All of this money will have to come from a citizenry that’s lookng at fewer jobs.Good luck to the future President.He appears to be on a fool’s errand.

By Joe the Electrician

November 2, 2008 8:01 AM | Link to this

Only 4 years ago y’all decided to * stay the course* and look where that has got us. You knew then there was no WMD and that Iraq posed no threat, but instead you rewarded the Great Decider with 4 more years….do the math, $600 billion to date for that pre-emptive strike….pretty close to bail-out $$$$. Now you are claiming to be worried about the economy, too much Government, huh? Deregulate…look what that did for us. The Great Decider isn’t through though, he has another round of deregulatory boo-boos planned, lowering drinking water standards and reducing emission constraints,etc. Obviously, too many people believe everything they hear on the Fox Opinion Network, you’d rather suffer through 4 more years of the same, than to stand up and think for yourself…..

By Taxpayer

November 2, 2008 8:09 AM | Link to this

I always thought that police were sort of a civilian security force. On a national scale, that would be like the FBI. I don’t know if I would go so far as to brand the FBI as the Gestapo. Such descriptors as Gestapo just sound like fear mongering and/or delusions brought on by paranoia that sick and/or desperate people might use in order to try and sway last-minute voters. What other reason could these people have when making such brazen statements just days before the election. Then again, some people simply have not yet found the depths to which they are willing to take themselves. Let’s hope that they do not drag too many good people down with them in their quest for new lows.

By GodHatesTrash

November 2, 2008 8:11 AM | Link to this

Unbelievably, Bookman pulled down around a dozen of my posts from Friday night, yesterday, and banned me for the day.

I consistently provide some of the best writing on this blog (not that that’s saying much), instead he prefers the never-ending monotonous garbage, chum, empty threats and swill from the misanthropes and paranoids. He never challenges them, he never ridicules them, he just let’s their vile lies and slanders stand unchallenged.

Well, Bookman, face it, you’re no Ralph McGill. But you’re on track to be another Jim Wooten. Good for you!

So I’ll leave you for your regular clientele for awhile.

I urge other progressive decent people to do the same.

Without us, this blog is just another hate site.

By Soixante huitard

November 2, 2008 8:18 AM | Link to this

I meant Dogs by 10 not that they would only score 10

They were lucky to score that. The 49-10 score made it look closer than it was.

By TN Gelding

November 2, 2008 8:19 AM | Link to this

* AJC/DNC Management*

November 2, 2008 6:43 AM

You forgot to mention the tax increases and spending cuts.

And the investment will be in America, which will provide short term and long term gains.

Read it and weep.

And the tragedy is it was all so unnecessary.

By Soixante huitard

November 2, 2008 8:23 AM | Link to this

Guess what:

Dinner’s almost ready!

Get it?

Dinner’s almost ready!!

By Bud Wiser

November 2, 2008 8:31 AM | Link to this

I do not think the Iraq War was a mistake, but I do think they should not only be covering the costs of rebuilding themselves into a viable free society with their oil revenues, but I think they should be repaying the US monetarily for our financial costs. They as a people are no less deserving of peace and personal liberties as are we.

Also, I did not specifically call Obama’s Civilian National Security Force the Gestapo. I was making historical comparisons to the Gestapo as it was conceived, then mutated into what it became. The road to Hell is paved with Good Intentions. And this is where I place this so-called ‘force’ of Obama. Plus, I am not sure that his intentions are good.

As far as bailing out of the country financially, no, I do not have the intentions of doing so; however, I am restructuring my finances to where the Obama Tax Police cannot hit them (yet), but I will be able to pull at a moment’s notice and bail.

You know, if the Obama Doomsday Tax Plan takes effect and crushes economic growth, and even its very existence, once the tentacles are in place, then the America I know and love will have ceased to exist, and like a well-loved family member who has passed, I will grieve and move on. Maybe the Bahamas, maybe Canada, somewhere except in a country in its death throes.

Hell, the govt has already essentially nationalized the mortgage and banking industries, and that was under the watch of a Republican president. (Jay’s new found religion keep me from expressing what my real opinion of George Bush are, especially in the areas of the economy and spending)

With Obama’s demonstrated view of selective press coverage, the so-called mainstream media is already in his corner, much like Pravda was to the old USSR, except they are not state controlled, but ideologically controlled. That is worse, because they are willing accomplices to whims of a new govt.

Make of it what you will, there is a disaster on the horizon, and his name is Barack Hussein Obama. I will continue to hope that mainstream America will arrive, just like the cavalry of old, on election day, and save the day. But, there are more dead and buried that will be voting this time, and one cannot discount The Zombie Factor.

By AJC/DNC Management

November 2, 2008 8:34 AM | Link to this

By TN Gelding November 2, 2008 8:19 AM AJC/DNC Management And the investment will be in America, which will provide short term and long term gains.

You’re spending play money now, Horsey, because if the Lovely Barak Obama wins, you won’t have the real stuff-

“For the past three or four years, some Democrats have been threatening to do things like put on extra tariffs (against Chinese imports) if they don’t change their currency,’ Mr Murdoch said. “If it happened, it could set off retaliatory action which would certainly damage the world economy seriously.”

With the US election five days away, Mr Murdoch criticised Senator Obama’s tax policies as “crazy”, particularly his plan to hand out tax rebates to most Americans and to increase taxes for people earning more than $250,000. He said Senator Obama’s promises to give tax rebates to 95per cent of Americans was “rubbish”.

“Forty per cent (of the US population) don’t pay taxes, so how can he give them a tax cut?” he said. “But you can give them a welfare cheque which he has promised - a grant of $500 - which will disappear very fast. It’s not going to turn the economy around at all.”

Buh bye prosperity.

By TN Gelding

November 2, 2008 8:35 AM | Link to this

AJC/DNC Management

November 2, 2008 6:43 AM

The DJIA wil be 15,000 by this time next year.

Bush’s luck ran out. The chickens came home to roost. His ownership society built on credit came tumbling down.

Surely you aren’t trying to imply that the Dow is down because it looks like Obama is going to get elected?

By Soixante huitard

November 2, 2008 8:41 AM | Link to this

Yeah, the Iraq war was a mistake, because of who was implementing it (by which I mean, which group of leaders was implementing it).

Sometimes even a positive - or neutral - action can be negated by who commits it.

By @@

November 2, 2008 8:45 AM | Link to this

Here’s how I see it jay. McCain will not be seeking a second term so he’ll do what’s necessary, not what’s to his personal or political advantage.

OBlahMa, on the other hand, will seek a second term so he’ll be handing out goodies right to left. If he pulls us out of Iraq too soon, we’ll be heading back at greater risk. If not, he’ll be transferring the cost to Afghanistan.

Bottom line — neither candidate will be able to win for losing as things are now. McCain has nothing to lose by doing what’s right by America. OblahMa can lose it all by doing what’s wrong for America.

I agree with Bud Wiser when he said:

I also predict that Obama will so severely damage not only the economy, but our national reputation so badly that he will virtually assure on his own that no black American will see the inside of the Oval Office for decades to come, even if one of superior character and wisdom (2 things he does not have) comes along.

That ^^^ to me, will be one of the unfortunate consequences to come out of this “historical” election. We all pretty much agree that neither party passes muster, but one party (dems) need their victims. Without ‘em, they’ve got nothing to offer.

African Americans had made great strides in achieving upper middle class status. It’s time for the dems to bring them back down to their party’s reality — where they can “really” mean it when they say Without our help, you are nothing…..you are incapable…..you are helpless.

“The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’”

By Joe the Electrician

November 2, 2008 8:46 AM | Link to this

[http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/11/01/palin-tells-fake-sarkoy-president-years/comments/#] Talk about Bush in a skirt….this woman would be a heartbeat from being the pres. I dont think so

By CHIP S

November 2, 2008 8:48 AM | Link to this

The Greatest Moment in the History of the USA…

I’m white. I was born in Greenville SC in 1955. I was introduced formally to the issue of racism in America when I was 8 years old.

As I sat in the back of the all white school bus on the way home one afternoon, I heard a chant coming from a group of kids gathered at the front of the bus around the driver. It was a haunting sing song refrain and I distinctly remember thinking (a few seconds before I could make out the words) that whatever those kids were singing was scary. Then the words became clear to me. They were repeating over and over “The n**** lover’s dead, the n**** lover’s dead.”

When I got home I found my mother had come home from work early and she and our African American babysitter Mariah were huddled together on the couch crying hysterically. They just looked at me and shook their heads and went back to crying.

By the time I was 12 my family had moved to the Atlanta area. My younger siblings, Steve and Audrey and I were surprised to be told one morning by our mother June that we weren’t going to school that day. She dressed us up and we went to walk in the funeral procession of Martin Luther King. During the eulogy a large black man reached down and picked up my little blond haired eight year old brother without a word and put him on his shoulders so he could see the proceedings.

Although most white people I knew growing up in the South weren’t racist I had more than enough evidence to realize that ‘it was out there’ and I thought I had left that all behind when I moved to Boston MA in 1990.

Then one day as I walked down Commonwealth Avenue , in the shadow of the giant CITGO sign I passed an elderly black man walking the opposite way on the sidewalk. As I nodded a car full of young white men drove past us and shouted ‘n****’ in unison. As I barked ‘F******** you!’ they retorted ‘N**** lover!’ and sped away. I looked back at the gentleman and said ‘I’m sorry about that.’ He just smiled a sad smile and said ‘That’s OK.’ and kept on walking.

Ironically, that’s the only time anyone ever called me that to my face, not far from John F. Kennedy’s birthplace. I don’t think America is worse than other nations in terms of racism. In some ways you can argue that the USA is the only place racially diverse enough to be considered a true test of a society’s ability to peacefully integrate different races.

If Barack Obama is elected president it surely won’t mean the end of racism in America , but in my opinion and I think that of my mother June who passed on some years back, I believe that it will be the greatest moment in the history of our country.

James ‘Chip’ Shirley

By TN Gelding

November 2, 2008 8:51 AM | Link to this

Bud Wiser

November 2, 2008 7:17 AM

The markets will be up this week.

No matter who is elected. The bear is dead.

It will only take modest tax increases and spending cuts to get the budget in balance over 4 years if the troops can be withdrawn from Iraq. Spending really only has to be frozen. That’s one thing I agree with McCain on. But I would apply it to the military budget as well and adjust the COLA on Social Security (and we’re drawing it). Health care reform won’t save anything because more people are going to be in the system, but it should create jobs.

By Soixante huitard

November 2, 2008 9:09 AM | Link to this

Dinner’s almost ready, and I’m looking forward to the meal.

In some ways you can argue that the USA is the only place racially diverse enough to be considered a true test of a society’s ability to peacefully integrate different races

Nicely put. Although to some extent the same could be said of Canada and the UK. For example, many Americans might not realize that London is now widely seen to have overtaken NY as the most diverse melting pot on earth, and for good reason. Other places such as France are becoming more diverse too.

So I would point out that what makes the US unique is not so much the numbers but the fact that the US has been radically diverse really almost going back to its founding and secondly that the US is the only country which symbolically represents the idea of a melting pot, as opposed to a national/ethnic story of a people. This intellectual aspect is what is really unique about the US.

By "The Corporal"

November 2, 2008 9:13 AM | Link to this

Revelation 6: 6Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, “A quart of wheat for a day’s wages, and three quarts of barley for a day’s wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!”

Revelation 17: 16He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, 17so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark …….

By CHIP S

November 2, 2008 9:15 AM | Link to this

The Greatest Moment in the History of the USA…

I’m white. I was born in Greenville SC in 1955. I was introduced formally to the issue of racism in America when I was 8 years old.

As I sat in the back of the all white school bus on the way home one afternoon, I heard a chant coming from a group of kids gathered at the front of the bus around the driver. It was a haunting sing song refrain and I distinctly remember thinking (a few seconds before I could make out the words) that whatever those kids were singing was scary. Then the words became clear to me. They were repeating over and over “The n**** lover’s dead, the n**** lover’s dead.”

When I got home I found my mother had come home from work early and she and our African American babysitter Mariah were huddled together on the couch crying hysterically. They just looked at me and shook their heads and went back to crying.

By the time I was 12 my family had moved to the Atlanta area. My younger siblings, Steve and Audrey and I were surprised to be told one morning by our mother June that we weren’t going to school that day. She dressed us up and we went to walk in the funeral procession of Martin Luther King. During the eulogy a large black man reached down and picked up my little blond haired eight year old brother without a word and put him on his shoulders so he could see the proceedings.

Although most white people I knew growing up in the South weren’t racist I had more than enough evidence to realize that ‘it was out there’ and I thought I had left that all behind when I moved to Boston MA in 1990.

Then one day as I walked down Commonwealth Avenue , in the shadow of the giant CITGO sign I passed an elderly black man walking the opposite way on the sidewalk. As I nodded a car full of young white men drove past us and shouted ‘n****’ in unison. As I barked ‘F******** you!’ they retorted ‘N**** lover!’ and sped away. I looked back at the gentleman and said ‘I’m sorry about that.’ He just smiled a sad smile and said ‘That’s OK.’ and kept on walking.

Ironically, that’s the only time anyone ever called me that to my face, not far from John F. Kennedy’s birthplace. I don’t think America is worse than other nations in terms of racism. In some ways you can argue that the USA is the only place racially diverse enough to be considered a true test of a society’s ability to peacefully integrate different races.

If Barack Obama is elected president it surely won’t mean the end of racism in America , but in my opinion and I think that of my mother June who passed on some years back, I believe that it will be the greatest moment in the history of our country.

James ‘Chip’ Shirley

By AJC/DNC Management

November 2, 2008 9:22 AM | Link to this

By @@ November 2, 2008 8:45 AM I agree with Bud Wiser when he said: I also predict that Obama will so severely damage not only the economy, but our national reputation so badly that he will virtually assure on his own that no black American will see the inside of the Oval Office for decades to come, even if one of superior character and wisdom (2 things he does not have) comes along.

There is no need to wait for an example of this when there already is one:

In the February 22, 1983 Democratic mayoral primary, community organizers registered more than 100,000 new African American voters, while the white vote was split between the incumbent mayor Jane Byrne and the other challenger, Richard M. Daley, son of the late Mayor Richard J. Daley. Washington won with 37% of the vote, versus 33% for Byrne and 30% for Daley.

Harold Washington first-term items include overall city population loss, increased crime, and a massive decrease in ridership on the Chicago Transit Authority (CTA). This helped earn the city the nickname “Beirut on the Lake”, and many people wondered if Chicago would ever recover or face the more permanent declines of other cities in the U.S. Midwest.

Looking back over the past twenty years or so, it’s easy to draw parallels between Barack Obama’s history-making presidential campaign with that of another well-known African American politician: Harold Washington, the first black mayor of Chicago. Beyond sharing a political strategist–David Axelrod, who worked on Harold’s 1987 re-election campaign and now serves as Obama’s campaign manager—Washington, like Obama, called for the building of a new progressive coalition to effect change, astutely read the political zeitgeist better than his rivals and ran an effective, crusade-like campaign that captured the imagination of once-apathetic voters.

They are born of the same corrupt Chicago political machine that nearly destroyed the city.

I should know, I was there.

By Joe the Electrician

November 2, 2008 9:26 AM | Link to this

http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/11/01/palin-gets-pranked/ this tells you how ready she is to lead

By TW

November 2, 2008 9:27 AM | Link to this

Obama will so severely damage not only the economy, but our national reputation so badly

Speaking of reputations, anybody seen ‘w’ latley???????

Apparently, the GOP knows even less about reputations than they do winning a war…lol.

You…are…fired :-)

By Marxist Non Reporters

November 2, 2008 9:32 AM | Link to this

This guy has it right about the sorry state of our biased, non-reporting ,socialist,newspapers including AJC:

http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/readmsg.aspx?messageid=33280609

By TN Gelding

November 2, 2008 9:35 AM | Link to this

Jimmy Swaggart is on WGN.

By Rocco Pedestrian

November 2, 2008 9:38 AM | Link to this

Friedman is wrong to equate our situation to an overextended borrower. Countries don’t pay back their debts. That’s not how it works. Nuclear weapons are our credit rating. It’s not an arm’s-length transaction. American power, since 8-6-45, has been based not on moral or commercial integrity but on the fact that we are willing to use weapons of mass destruction on innocent civilians. A proven willingness to burn and irradiate people to death supports the dollar. People don’t make demands on the mafia, and nobody is going to call the notes of the US.

By AJC/DNC Management

November 2, 2008 9:39 AM | Link to this

By TW November 2, 2008 9:27 AM Obama will so severely damage not only the economy, but our national reputation so badly Speaking of reputations, anybody seen ‘w’ latley???????

“W’s” term was one of the most economically prosperous periods in our history, anyone can check the historical GDP.

The surest way to know this is when the drive by media becomes orgasmic over an economy that is worse than it is now simply because a democrat is in charge, just like they did from day 1 of the Clinton years.

You may be “stupid” but we’re not.

And isn’t it quite telling that the economy has begun it’s recent decline almost the exact same day that Obama won the dem primary?

At least Bruno would have been fiscally responsible.

By TW

November 2, 2008 9:49 AM | Link to this

This post pulled for incivility.

By GOPs got to go

November 2, 2008 9:53 AM | Link to this

Chip, That was a lovely post this morning, the kind that makes reading some of this garbage worth while. Although a little younger than you, I have some parallel memories of growing up in the South of the 60’s. Not quite as poignant, but they did drive the racial inequality issue home. I am the daughter of Yankees, mostly raised in the South, but on Military bases.

I think that Obama is an honorable man and will be a great President. When McCain was placed on the ticket for the Republicans I was elated, thinking he was a Republican I could endorse if Obama lost the election, then came Palin. As a woman, Palin was a slap in the face to me. She has motivated me more than any other factor to actually go and volunteer for the Obama campaign. My time is very important to me, but the thought of another possible moronic person in the White House was a big motivator.

Back to the subject, taxes are a necessary part of Government, pay up, I know I sure do. It is shameful to put this burden on our children and grandchildren. Not even counting the global warming thing that has been ignored for years by the Bush Administration, it is no wonder that the youth of America are standing up this election and saying NO MORE. They will probably have to work their whole lives to finance the fiasco we have let happen. It will take great minds to begin fixing this mess, Lord help them.

By getalife

November 2, 2008 9:53 AM | Link to this

Trickle up socialism and the largest deficit ever is the what the worst President ever will be remembered.

Good to see our friends on the right starting to care about our country after cheerleading the destruction for 8 years.

w does not care aboout the future, he spews we will all be dead.

The right has destroyed their kids future and mindlessly do not care.

How do ya’ll live with that?

Geez.

By Gimme Yo Money

November 2, 2008 9:57 AM | Link to this

It’s already started…..

“A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse over loose fiscal policy, ….Alexander Tyler 1778

By AJC/DNC Management

November 2, 2008 9:58 AM | Link to this

Tuesday, June 03, 2008 at 10:11 a.m. WASHINGTON (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton will concede Tuesday night that Barack Obama has the delegates to secure the Democratic nomination, campaign officials said, effectively ending her bid to be the nation’s first female president..

Dow Jones Industrials June 3rd 13,000

Today it is 9,325.

Hmmmmmmmmm.

By Taxpayer

November 2, 2008 10:04 AM | Link to this

The Republican Party is so ashamed of their once revered leader that they try their best to not even mention his name in public — George Bush, Republican — much less admit any association, past or present, with him. John McCain/Sarah Palin, Republicans — more of the same no matter how you slice it. Even Dick Cheney, Republican, thinks so. As for Obama, he doesn’t have to worry about destroying our economy for that task was yet another “mission accomplished” by the Bush administration and failed policies of the Republican Party. The only question remaining is how much more destruction George Bush and the Republican Party will leave in their wake before that era in our lives is finally brought to an end.

By getalife

November 2, 2008 10:05 AM | Link to this

Andy,

I tried to tell you to get out at 14,000 because of the price of oil.

I had no idea it would collapse and w would use socialism but it has stopped it from going to 3000 recession levels.

The next big drop will be the unemployment and other bad news.

This will be our next President’s first challenge and will stop all the promises they spew.

By "The Corporal"

November 2, 2008 10:06 AM | Link to this

To TN Gelding

Take it up with the editor. I’m just the paperboy.

By Bud Wiser

November 2, 2008 10:09 AM | Link to this

By getalife

November 2, 2008 9:53 AM | Link to this

Trickle up socialism and the largest deficit ever is the what the worst President ever will be remembered.

No finer definition could have ever been written in advance for what Obama will leave us with, if elected, 4 years from now. Succinct, accurate, and truly visionary in your predictions!

And you know what the best part is? Unless we have been put under permanent martial law or totalitarian rule beforehand, he will be taking a great number of Dimocrats with him! It will make the revolution sparked by the Contract With America in 1994 look like only a preamble of what awaits the future of “tax and spend, spend, spend” politics, and politicians.

I can see it now … Harry Reid as a croupier in Vegas … Nancy Pelosi on QVC trying to peddle botox or other facial ‘care’ products … Barack Obama joining Jeremiah Wright or “Father” Pfleger on a pulpit under a canvas tent in the hazy, dusty skies of Southern California, preaching hate, and trying to recruit farm workers to a cause. Five years. If America survives.

By getalife

November 2, 2008 10:18 AM | Link to this

bud smoker,

I am talking about the present. Change is the future. Change is constant.

You will have the opportunity to hold them accountable this cycle and two years from now.

It is the only accountability we get, so enjoy.

I think Obama will govern for the middle class like President Clinton because it is the dem ideology. I think he will clean up another bush’s mess but all the promises he is making will not happen because of the cost of the socialism.

By Middle-Aged White Lady

November 2, 2008 10:21 AM | Link to this

I just scroll past any and all of AJC/DNC’s diatribes… they never have anything meaningful to contribute. And then I try to find a few blog entries that are substantive, rather than puerile and abusive. Few and far between. But I keep hoping…

By Middle Class Tax Payer

November 2, 2008 10:24 AM | Link to this

It seems to me that the government(we citizens) are responsible for eliminating the deficit and stabilizing our economy. The only way to do that is reduce spending(funded programs), increase taxes(income to the government) or both. If we reduce programs, which ones do we eliminate. If we increase taxes, where do we do it.

Obama has told us what he intends to do. He will increase taxes for those making over $200,000, reduce taxes on those making less than $200,000 and perform a line by line review of funded programs( the budget). Lately, he has said that he may not be able to institute some of his programs because of the deficit. He may have to look at additional tax changes also.

McCain has offered to decrease taxes while freezing new funding for programs which implies that he will eliminate programs. He intends to stay in Iraq, so he will not eliminate the $110 billion line item for the war. The question remains as to what programs he intends to eliminate and how can he eliminate the deficit without increasing taxes.

The issues are clear to me. Our economy takes precedence over any budget expenditure to foreign governments. We cannot continue to fund the policing of the world. We must place America first including a strong committment to Defense.

Thats why I voted for Obama/Biden .

By Middle Class Tax Payer

November 2, 2008 10:39 AM | Link to this

Middle-Aged White Lady,

AJC/DNC Management is just a mouth piece for the republican party/Karl Rove and the Fox News Channel. The talking points are the same. Its always gloom and doom if Obama wins the election. Note the latest inference linking Obama to the declining stock market. This is another diversion from the truth and an attempt to put fear in the minds of the voter.

By Bud Wiser

November 2, 2008 10:46 AM | Link to this

The way it has been portrayed by Obama and his surrogates so far, the so-called tax cuts will be for (choose one):

a) those making less than $250,000

b) those making less than $200,000

c) those making less than $150,000

d) those making less than $120,000

So, Middle Class Tax Payer, if that is the reason(s) you voted for Obama, you obviously have a grasp on what they really meant better than anyone else in the entire human race. Maybe you missed the part, when you said,*…a strong committment to Defense. Thats why I voted for Obama/Biden *, where Dimocrats are already saying they want a 25% cut in the Defense budget? Or, that you are a one issue voter (such as race, party affiliation, sexual orientation, etc.) , which sort of defines the intelligence required to cast a thoughtful, and well reasoned out vote in the first place, doesn’t it? Just asking…. maybe you limited your reasons for supporting Obama for the sake of brevity?

My interpretation, or choices offered by the alleged tax cuts will go to those (choose one):

a) those making less than $250,000 ?

b) those making less than $25,000 ?

c) those making less than $2.50 ?

Uh, I selected option answer c).

Folks, no one is going skating here. We will all be ‘spreading the wealth’ around, as in around the Beltway. Hold on to your wallets.

By Middle Class Tax Payer

November 2, 2008 11:08 AM | Link to this

BudWiser,

Even McCain has said that there are wastes in the Defense budget. The immediate and most obvious waste is all of the money being poured into Iraq and the other countries “who do not like us too much”. These are good opportunities to reduce the deficit and lessen the tax burden.

As for the “alleged tax cuts” proposed by Obama, you seem to have Karl Rove/Fox News Channel connections in your talking points. I noticed that you managed to also interject “race”, “party affiliation”, sexual orientation” in your response. You are also condescending which makes me believe that you are a professional blogger paid for by the RNC like some of the others on this blog.

Since my original post was to address the economy, can you enlighten me on how McCain intends to reduce the deficit without raising taxes. Even Ronald Reagan and the first Bush were required to raise taxes.

By ByteMe

November 2, 2008 11:23 AM | Link to this

After Andy went nuts over the Drudge report showing a Zogby one-day poll number favoring McCain, Zogby added this to today’s poll statement:

“A special note to blogger friends: calm it down.”

Obama’s still up by 6 in the Zogby poll, one-day poll oddity included.

And today he cherry-picks another number out of thin air to prove that Obama is about to make the world rot from the inside out. Typical.

Poor Republicans. You go from “shining city on the hill” to “gloom and doom” all in the space of one generation. Sad. Totally sad.

By BDatlanta

November 2, 2008 11:47 AM | Link to this

AJC/DNC Mgmt thinks Hillary conceding to Obama is the reason the Dow has dropped since that date. Typical GOPer - Always ready to point the finger at illusionary situations and not capable of taking the blame for what their leaders have done.

By Bud Wiser

November 2, 2008 11:47 AM | Link to this

To Middle Class Tax Payer :

Since my original post was to address the economy, can you enlighten me on how McCain intends to reduce the deficit without raising taxes.

Yes, yes I will. Some of these are also my own personal opinions…

Capital gains tax cuts- giving business more capital to hire workers, workers that will pay taxes. It has been proven historicallt time and again that keeping more people on paytolls increases revenues. Look it up. Also will encourage private investors like you and me to stay in the stock market, and bring some stability to it.

Continuation of the Bush Tax cuts - also allowing folks like you and me to keep more of our money to spend in the open market, helping to sustain business.

Reduction of taxes on small businesses - the largest segment by far of businesses that employ people in this country are small businesses, not the giant corporations. Give them room to succeed or fail on their own, but unlike Fannie and Freddie, if they fail, they should be allowed to fail. Let free market operations determine the winners and losers.

Maintain a watchful (and legal) eye on the giant corporations, and the way they handle senior executive compensations - Provide incentives for these companies to reward their work forces, increase productivity, and (I hate this phrase) ‘spread the wealth around’, internally. Company growth rewarded by tax incentives, excessive compensations at the top end punished by not only loss of incentives, but punitive tax rates for the individuals, as well as the companies; sort of like a windfall profits tax.

And, I was not being condescending when I mentioned race, sexual orientation, and/or party affiliation, and I resent your labeling. I was frankly pointing out the fact that there are one issue voters out there, and if you insist on justifications for my classifications I will give you some.

Race. Look at the overwhelming black support for Obama, generally acknowledged as 94-95% within that community lined up behind him. Combine that with the fact that a large majority of them are Democrats, you can flip a coin between them all to say what their response will be. Many whites will also be voting McCain because of the skin color issue.

Sexual Orientation - I am presupposing that this class of voters will vote the party line that they feel is most sympathetic to their agenda. The most publicized of these groups are Democrat, so again flip the coin, although there are some aligned (fiscal) Conservatives there that will vote Republican.

Party Affiliation - I have several relatives that are lifetime Democrats, and will be voting that way because they always have; same with Republicans. You could put Lassie at the top of either party ticket and a large percentage of them would still vote party line. Is that so hard to understand?

I await a rational response…….

By Dusty

November 2, 2008 11:47 AM | Link to this

Well, it is easy to see who is making people THINK on this blog. It is

AJC/DNC MANAGEMENT

He presents clearly and concisely his ideas and the material to back up his claims. THAT UPSETS LIBERALS. They do not want to think or dispute the material presented. They just want to say that Obama is going to give us Change and low taxes.

The tax part is not true and the CHANGE part is as mysterious as fog in the morning. Who knows when it will clear and what it will show. Obama CHANGE will only be for HIS greater power. Let us beware.

Another INGRATE has said that Republicans will not mention George W. Bush. WRONG!! Bush led us through one of the most difficut times in the history of the USA. We are still FREE!!! We have freed two other countries!! It was costly but there is no limit on the cost of keeping us free. History will show that George W. Bush realized that and kept America out of danger. Now he is not mentioned BECAUSE HE IS NOT RUNNING FOR REELECTION.

It is sad to see that Americans cannot realize the foresight of George W. Bush. History will also note how Americans seem to consider only personal welfare instead of the preservation of American ideals.

Think carefully and you will vote McCain/Palin without hesitation.

By TN Gelding

November 2, 2008 11:50 AM | Link to this

CHIP S

November 2, 2008 8:48 AM

Great sentiment.

If only MLK,Jr. could vote.

I helped integrate the school system (by embracing blacks) in Oak Ridge, TN in 1955 and remember those days. Dad took me to school the first day as there were rumors of trouble. There wasn’t any, partly because the feds basically owned the city.

We’ve come a long way but still have far to go.

By TN Gelding

November 2, 2008 11:53 AM | Link to this

Ohio changed to toss up.

By BDatlanta

November 2, 2008 11:58 AM | Link to this

Seriously, Some of you folks just need to go ahead and stock up the bomb shelter or cave and start hunkering down now. I can feel you folks shaking in your shoes:

“Oh, the black man is gonna pillage us….he is going to empty my bank account and 401k!!”

“Oh, we’re gonna get bombed and we’ll be socialists with gulags and a Siberia somewhere!”

“Run away!”

Sorry, but we liberals wont let our leaders run roughshod over the Constitution and annihilate the Bill of Rights for 8 more years. We’ll get Americas honor back and restore a little dignity here and around the world.

Weren’t you pretty well off when Clinton left office? You had your 401k (sorry, no pensions because the Republicans got rid of those), you had your Etrade account, you had your European vacations. We’ll get that back after a few years of Big O.

By ByteMe

November 2, 2008 11:58 AM | Link to this

Bud: McCain’s recipe for a balanced budget is to cut REVENUE??

Even Bush’s own 2009 budget admits that continuing his tax cuts WILL NEVER balance the budget. There’s an appendix that shows what happens to the budget once the tax cuts expire and it shows a slight surplus in 2012 and more surpluses from that point on. Without letting the tax cuts expire, deficits in the $300+ billion range as far as the eye can see.

McCain’s recipe is not the answer to the budget problem.

By TN Gelding

November 2, 2008 12:06 PM | Link to this

Feds going after Swiss accounts?

By BDatlanta

November 2, 2008 12:14 PM | Link to this

Dusty, Kroger is running a special on canned goods in case you need to stock up on the beenie weenies to hunker down in your closet for the next 4 years.

You think history is going to be good to W? The.Worst.President.Ever?

The W administration makes the Nixon administration look like a bunch of Boy Scouts.

By TN Gelding

November 2, 2008 12:18 PM | Link to this

AJC/DNC Management

November 2, 2008 9:39 AM

Did the economy grow because of the tax rate reductions or the huge deficit spending?

How can you be so cavalier about the nearly $6 trillion added to the national debt by the time he leaves office?

By One Voice

November 2, 2008 12:22 PM | Link to this

andy and dusty,

What will you do when two days from now the American people elect a Democratic president and overwhelming majorities in the House and Senate? That will show you that we have unequivocally rejected the conservative principles that have been so damaging to the country over the last eight years. You had your chance with full control of government and blew it with corruption, incompetence, misguided policy. Your 40 years in the wilderness is about to begin. The next generation does not share your ideals, and they won’t be tricked into adopting them because they will always remember the failures of Bush.

By Dusty

November 2, 2008 12:25 PM | Link to this

BD@12:14

The Clinton Administration made the White House look like Hooters of America serving Hot Wings in the Oval Office.

As to canned goods, I’ve already bought some and put them in the Food Donation Box at church.

Why don’t you try that? Oh, I forgot. You are going to elect Obama so EVERYBODY will have EVERYTHING FREE and without paying taxes. You better stock up on pain pills for your painful awakening if and when Obama is elected.

By TN Gelding

November 2, 2008 12:27 PM | Link to this

AJC/DNC Management

November 2, 2008 9:58 AM

You’re sounding like Louis Farrakhan.

Isn’t that about the time W’s house of cards started falling? I didn’t realize the derivative markets had poisoned economies worldwide.

By AJC/DNC Management

November 2, 2008 12:35 PM | Link to this

My goodness, I leave for just a minute-

By Middle-Aged White Lady November 2, 2008 10:21 AM I just scroll past any and all of AJC/DNC’s diatribes… they never have anything meaningful to contribute.

Why do liberals always identify themselves by colors? I thought that didn’t matter? Is there something wrong with being a “Middle Aged Black Lady?”

By Middle Class Tax Payer November 2, 2008 10:39 AM Note the latest inference linking Obama to the declining stock market. This is another diversion from the truth and an attempt to put fear in the minds of the voter.

By BDatlanta November 2, 2008 11:47 AM AJC/DNC Mgmt thinks Hillary conceding to Obama is the reason the Dow has dropped since that date.

Can you offer us a better explanation for the falling stock market or is whining about me all we will be hearing from you geniuses? al-Gitmo seems to think it is the drop in energy prices but that only occurred after the market meltdown because demand for energy decreased.

Got substance?

By ByteMe November 2, 2008 11:23 AM Obama’s still up by 6 in the Zogby poll, one-day poll oddity included.

Lovely Little Barry was up by nine in New Hampshire, he lost the next day by 13 points.

Bwahahaha.

Dearest fellow Conservatives: It cannot be any more obvious that the left wing media and the Lovely Obama campaign have joined forces in an attempt to depress Republican turnout.

These are the same people that lied about the economy for 8 years, propagandized and lied on behalf of the vicious murderers of Americans al Qaeda and babbled on and on ever since 2004 about Hillary Clinton being “inevitable.”

So now you are going to believe their polls?

Like, all of a sudden, out of the blue, they are being, gasp, honest??

Remember the “national guard memo?”

We won’t get fooled again

Get out and vote.

Or let the liberal media win.

It’s up to you, not them.

By Dusty

November 2, 2008 12:36 PM | Link to this

ONE Voice and one voice is correct.12:22

What will you do if McCain is elected and you have to stand on your own two feet without all the promised freebees?

Our young people will overcome the indoctrination of liberalism and realize that the strength of America lies in the ability to STAY free. Free to make your own decisions, free to work and keep some of your own money, free to rise or fall by your own initiatives and free to establish faith as you wish.

I hope we do not have to experience socialism to realize its failures. But it seems that liberals insist we do it the hard way. Go for the American way and vote for McCain and Palin.

By TN Gelding

November 2, 2008 12:36 PM | Link to this

Taxpayer

November 2, 2008 10:04 AM

Can they not see it or just won’t admit it?

By Midori

November 2, 2008 12:37 PM | Link to this

I dedicate this toon to Bud Wiser

By ByteMe

November 2, 2008 12:42 PM | Link to this

TN: They can’t admit ANYTHING that’s negative about their viewpoint. It’s the conservative way. Works better with children, I’m finding. Just act like you know what you know and they eventually go away satisfied. Doesn’t work as well with intelligent adults.

Andy, uh huh. I’m sure you don’t believe that history repeats itself. More like rhymes, but never repeats. Have you placed your bet at intrade.com yet?? No? Afraid to put your money where your mouth is?

Dusty sound especially scared today. The end is coming for her dreams of a fascist state where Republicans are absolutely in charge. Must hurt. Ok, everyone, group hug.

By Taxpayer

November 2, 2008 12:43 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

I just love your wit. That clever use of AJC/DNC Management’s posts to make your “case” for voting for more of the same was truly “SNL” caliber material. I, for one, plan to share the laughter, that you have so freely dispensed, with all of my friends. Thank you and let me just say that it is so refreshing to see someone with such staunch convictions as yourself in possession of such an unbridled sense of humor. I look forward to more of the same from you.

By TN Gelding

November 2, 2008 12:46 PM | Link to this

Middle Class Tax Payer

November 2, 2008 10:24 AM

You are a wise middle class tax payer.

And I bet you wouldn’t mind paying a few dollars more if you thought it was being spent wisely.

By Middle Class Tax Payer

November 2, 2008 12:51 PM | Link to this

Bud Wiser,

What is McCain’s plan to stabilize the economy? Thats all I want to know. I do not need the Rove/Republican/Fox News talking points. Thanks.

By GayGrayGeek

November 2, 2008 12:55 PM | Link to this

This post has been pulled.

By TN Gelding

November 2, 2008 12:55 PM | Link to this

BDatlanta

November 2, 2008 11:58 AM

Be afraid, be very afraid.

After the horrors we’ve been through? What’s with these guys?

By Dusty

November 2, 2008 12:55 PM | Link to this

Dear TaxPayer,12:43

I am so glad you appreciate my wit. I appreciate your charm the same way.

SNL is delightful. Was it last night’s skit when the Muslim shopkeeper was talking to the black lady about voting? He was saying how much he appreciated Obama being a muslim he could vote for. She said “Obama is a Christian.” Wherefore the shopkeeper went into gales of laughter and said “Oh yeah I’m a Christian too” and rolled his eyes in laughter.

Nothing like SNL although I seldom watch it. But I am sure you do. You like charades, not only on TV but in government.

Cut out the play acting. Vote McCain/Palin 2008.

By TN Gelding

November 2, 2008 1:01 PM | Link to this

Dusty

November 2, 2008 12:25 PM

At least Clinton spent some time in the Oval Office WORKING.

(His trysts with “that woman” were in the study off of the office.)

By FOX/GOP Management

November 2, 2008 1:04 PM | Link to this

It’s time to kick the Repugs out !!!

The people gave them a chance but all the Repugs did was trash the Constitution, questioned our patriotism, scared the people, intimidated the media, sank us into high debt, expanded government, shipped jobs overseas, stuck us in expensive never-ending wars, ran our economy to the ground, never accepted any blame for their actions, kept supporting corruption, accused people who questioned their policies of being anti-American, and so on and so forth. At some point, this nonesense ought to end.

Fellow Americans, let’s kick the Repugs out. It’s been waaay past due!

Boot Republicans here, boot Republicans now, and PAY LESS in the future!!!

F-Word Network/GOP Management

By One Voice

November 2, 2008 1:05 PM | Link to this

dusty,

I don’t have to worry about any of that because McCain won’t be elected. It will be a landslide and Obama will have well over 300 electoral votes and will be working with huge majorities in congress.

My finances are just fine, thank you. But it is Obama’s policies that will benefit the middle class, not due to “freebies”, but through reducing excessive spending in such areas as Iraq and investing in American infrastructure. It’s funny that you don’t realize that an Obama presidency is actually in your best interest.

And you may want to look up the meaning of liberalism. It means freedom; freedom to make personal choices; freedom from the government imposing religion or ideology; freedom from having our wealth redistributed to the already-wealthy and powerful. Liberal means open-minded, free-thinking, tolerant, and generous.Those are qualities we have not had from conservative rule and the country is badly in need of, but will be in abundance after Obama is elected on Tuesday.

By AJC/DNC Management

November 2, 2008 1:09 PM | Link to this

By TN Gelding November 2, 2008 12:18 PM AJC/DNC Management Did the economy grow because of the tax rate reductions or the huge deficit spending? How can you be so cavalier about the nearly $6 trillion added to the national debt by the time he leaves office?

Horsey: Are you really telling me that the democrats will cut spending?

Snicker.

Yeah, they’ve done such a good job of it since assuming control of Congress, where spending bills originate.

~~~~~

By One Voice November 2, 2008 12:22 PM andy and dusty, What will you do when two days from now the American people elect a Democratic president and overwhelming majorities in the House and Senate?

I will be able to say that I am not responsible for it.

A year from now, when all of America is praying for the Bush economy to return, I will then be able to say I told you so.

By Dusty

November 2, 2008 1:10 PM | Link to this

Byte Me,

How did I miss you? Oh well, I don’t know what fascist states you mention unless it is the liberal fascination with Cuba and Venzuela. Have you bought your ticket yet for one of those lovely places you so love to imitate? Or was that the socialism you prefer?

Can’t keep all the “isms” straight that you libs are always promoting. Guess I just like the All American way so well, I keep forgetting you libs. So let me remind you…. VOTE MCCAIN PALIN 2008…to keep America AMERICAN.

By Dusty

November 2, 2008 1:17 PM | Link to this

TN GELDING.

BUT OF COURSE…Clinton only misbehaved in the…..(I believe it was the bathroom off the Oval Office as if it makes any difference.) He was working all right and we know AT WHAT.

What a paradox! Clinton misbehaved in the White House so you LOVE him. George W. Bush keeps the country free from terrorists and you HATE him.

One cannot account for taste or ignorance.

But I must not mention Bill Clinton. Bookman said we had to Keep it nice.

By Taxpayer

November 2, 2008 1:17 PM | Link to this

By the way, Dusty. You may not have received the memorandum from the desk of Jay so here’s the meat of it: You must be polite to one another (notice that politicians and other public figures were not included in the politeness requirement so I can say stuff like George Bush sucks and it’s OK especially since it’s true) even when it goes against your very character — possibly resulting from an improper rearing during one’s formative years, but I digress — or risk banishment for a period to be determined by Jay. With that in mind, Dusty, please refrain from referring to people here as “ingrate” or other such impolite descriptors. Take it to Wooten’s blog.

By AJC/DNC Management

November 2, 2008 1:19 PM | Link to this

Imagine if John McCain had whispered somewhere that he was willing to bankrupt a major industry? Would this declaration not immediately be front page news? Well, Barack Obama actually flat out told the San Francisco Chronicle (SF Gate) that he was willing to see the coal industry go bankrupt in a January 17, 2008 interview. The result? Nothing. This audio interview has been hidden from the public…until now. Here is the audio of Obama’s statement about bankrupting the coal industry

So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it’s just that it will bankrupt them because they’re going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that’s being emitted.

You got that West Virginia, Kentucky, Pennsylvania and Ohio?

The mining sector is an important part of PA’s economy. PA’s mining industry accounts for 10,300 jobs resulting in personal income of 520 million dollars of direct income for PA workers. PA’s average mining salary including management and non mining personnel as well as mine personnel is approximately $50,000 per year. The Mining industry also accounts for indirect income to workers supporting the mining industry. In 1999 60,000 PA workers earned an estimated $1.4 billion dollars supporting the coal industry sector.

By Dusty

November 2, 2008 1:30 PM | Link to this

Taxpayer 1:17

Why, honey, I am being as sweet as sugar here. “Ingrate” is a very fine word compared to what I should have said. Now you go ask Miss Manners and you will find that I am absolutely and totally correct.

Besides, Bookman did not mention polite. He said Play nice. which is exactly what I always do, even when you deserve much worse.

Now, be a good girl and go play with your Obama doll sent to you for your 25 cent contribution. But don’t forget to wave your flag and vote for the great American JOHN MCCAIN and the lovely Sarah Palin. Now that is the NICE and rewarding thing to do.

By getalife

November 2, 2008 1:30 PM | Link to this

dusty is still fixated on “clenis”.

Let it go dusty. He probably got bored because he won his war, economy was booming and government was not broken.

By Taxpayer

November 2, 2008 1:34 PM | Link to this

Speaking of SNL, did anyone catch the McCain/Palin skit last night. It was a hoot. I liked the parts where Palin was talking about how expensive campaigns were while she was nonchalantly rubbing the expensive threads, and the part where she was selling Palin 2012 “rogue” t-shirts. It was almost as though you were right there on the campaign trail with her — so realistic.

As for Bush, I suppose I could re-iterate the facts about his utter failures while in the Office of the President but all of the people who want to know the truth already know of his disgraceful and despicable actions and Cheney has made it very clear that McCain would just deliver more of the same. I cannot think of better reasons to vote for Obama and to vote against all the Incumbent Republicans such as that worthless Saxby Chambliss. He is just one more in a long line of Republicans that will use all means of deceitful and insulting and hateful techniques just to get elected and stay in power. He has no shame and no honor and certainly no courage.

By Dusty

November 2, 2008 1:37 PM | Link to this

Bookman,

getalife is NOT playing NICE. He is trying to use BAD WORDS in one form or another.

I know he does not know any better (He is from Louisiana.) But YOU SAID “PLAY NICE!

Ignorance is bliss but no excuse. Let HIM go. Yes!!

By Midori

November 2, 2008 1:42 PM | Link to this

dusty is still fixated on “clenis”.

I find that disturbing. And pretty, well, um, what’s the word I’m looking for? Petty? Irrelevant? Silly?

Some people need to grow up and move on.

By Dusty

November 2, 2008 1:43 PM | Link to this

Errr Taxpayer,

Cheney has never been President. Guess you did not notice.

But you made it clear that you sre voting strictly on BUSH HATE.

When you grow up to be a big girl and put down your protest signs, you may realize that you are still free much to the efforts of George W. Bush. By the way, HE IS NOT RUNNING FOR REELECTION.

So you transfer to Chambliss HATE. Way to go, girl. How about hating the terrorists for a change??

By Middle Class Tax Payer

November 2, 2008 1:45 PM | Link to this

Does anyone believe that AJC/DNC Management, Dusty and Bud wiser,are one and the same? They sound so much like Fox News, Karl Rove and Billy Kristle.

By By Love

November 2, 2008 1:47 PM | Link to this

“lovely Sarah Palin”, LOL, I’d shave her tush and teach her to walk backward; and McCain is only great at wrecking airplanes and staying in a cage.

By By Love

November 2, 2008 1:53 PM | Link to this

MCTP, of course they’re the same person, ” Supermorphoblogger”!

By AJC/DNC Management

November 2, 2008 1:54 PM | Link to this

By Taxpayer November 2, 2008 1:34 PM He has no shame and no honor and certainly no courage.

This coming from someone who has no issues allowing the government to run their life.

Ridiculous isn’t it?

I guess it is a great time in America to be total loser, the libs are turning failure into a career choice.

By One Voice

November 2, 2008 1:57 PM | Link to this

Middle Class Tax Payer,

I don’t know about bud wiser, but I’m pretty certain that AJC/DNC and dusty are two different women. And since they’re “real” Americans, I’m sure they will be behind President Obama 100%.

By AJC/DNC Management

November 2, 2008 2:01 PM | Link to this

The poll that was closest in 2004-

TIPP: OBAMA 46.7%… MCCAIN 44.6%… NOT SURE 8.7%…

Not sure being the standard response when you don’t want to be called a racist because you support McCain.

By ByteMe

November 2, 2008 2:04 PM | Link to this

Wow, Dusty, you should lay off the drugs you chose your name after. Who is talking about any other country but you?

I already voted. Voted for hope… for a change. No more voting for people who try to scare me.

By TN Gelding

November 2, 2008 2:07 PM | Link to this

Obama just finished a huge, inspiring rally in Columbus, Ohio.

By Taxpayer

November 2, 2008 2:10 PM | Link to this

Errrrr, Dusty, if you were to take the time to read and understand my posts, you should be able to come to the realization that I did not claim that Cheney was president. You do know that Cheney endorsed “more of the same” McCain and that was the basis for my statement regarding Cheney.

Regarding Bush’s despicable performance while occupying space in the White House, I speak not of hate but of facts. He has been a terrible president therefore I summarize with the word “sucks” in order to save space that can be spent discussing other items. By the way, we all know that Bush cannot run for re-election — that’s yet another reason to have hope for this nation. So, you really don’t need to keep on giving us more of the same too. It must be a Republican trait.

Now, Saxby is just trying to show America how low a Republican is willing to go in order to get into office. The way he treated Cleland — even McCain had to step in and scorn Saxby for that behavior. Then, there was the way he went after the guy at Imperial sugar as though he had done something wrong — the very person that was actually trying to save people’s lives. Saxby just plain attacked him and did not make any attempt to point out the conditions that existed in those plants and the fact the this guy had been trying to get changes made. Saxby’s lapdog performance for Imperial Sugar was sickening. Then, there’s his support of the Wall Street bailout right along with Bush. I could continue but I’ll just summarize again — Saxby sucks too and us, in your words, “big girls” are not going to put down the protest signs for you or anyone else. I vote Obama/Biden and I vote against every Incumbent Republican on my ticket and that is fact. You call it hate, I call it righting the Republican wrongs and it’s way overdue.

By AJC/DNC Management

November 2, 2008 2:14 PM | Link to this

Oh great, now the liberals are going to threaten us:

Barely a left-wing pundit, barely an Oscar-nominated softie can sleep a wink these days for fear of the race riots and international humiliation that will ensue should “The One” be defeated on Tuesday.

The comedian Chris Rock is at least capable of joking about it. “If Obama loses?” he replied to a question from talk show host Bill Maher. “Well, that Wednesday after election day, anybody … any activity in your life that involves black people, it’s not going to get done. If you’re at the airport? No one’s going to get your bags.”

Are you kidding me? Don’t little babies hold their breath until they turn blue if they don’t get their way?

Geez, you liberals are absolutely pathetic.

Actress Susan Sarandon has already issued a veiled threat to the public. “It’s a critical time, but I have faith in the American people,” she told Britain’s Telegraph newspaper with a touch of implied menace in June this year. “If they prove me wrong, I’ll be checking out a move to Italy. Maybe Canada, I don’t know.

Now if there was ever a good reason to vote for McCain……….

Buh bye Susan.

By Kristie, Tn granny

November 2, 2008 2:20 PM | Link to this

I have read both plans for Both Presidential candidates. Obama’s plans call for 2 plans of 50 billion more to give to overseas programs, all electronic system for health records (I quess computers, faxes and phones don’t work anymore or something.) revoking tax cuts in 2 years that we have now, unions nationwide (that’ll convince businesses to stay here , right??? Plus we still are paying millions for the Gulf war which I quess he’ll switch that funding to Afghanistan and Palistine? All the extra money he proposes I don’t see where he will get it. ( so there will be sooooo much more financial losses) McCain proposes plans that save money and funding coming from general funds, putting a Gov’t freeze on while cutting spending and cutting programs that don’t work. Increasing job possibilites. So much more hope on his plans for our future Obama’s plans still leaves unanswered questions as he’s repeatedly done with the sweet talk that so many like. I like straight talk myself and pursueing facts. I know in Chicago, the same people Obama was supposedly helping, with their living conditions ,those massive rental buildings are boarded up and a lot more uninhabitable. So where did his help leave those people? Cold, rat infested. air blowing through wall leaks, etc. I don’t want this kind of caring and loving of people. Obama can’t even keep records of who gave to his campaign and how much. In fact his FEC records have been repeatedly amended by FEC orders for years. McCain’s records show who gave even $25. What happened to the transparency law that Obama surely wanted also? Obama isn’t transparent and if questioned well they don’t get to question him again. So freedom of speach is a problem with Obama too. McCain welcomes Palin and everyone’s right to speak if they disagree with him and hear their side. McCain’s campaign also pays the women more than the men get paid. Obama pays women less than the men. Palin is qualified by the fact she has security knowledge since Alaska is our first defence against USSR and the fact that 7 out of 8 last presidents were Governors. They were qualified. Obama’s experience consists mainly of voting present on our tax money so I worry if he can even decide on his own fast if needed. No Bush is not my favorite and McCain was not either. I was born and raised democrat but I have to see the facts, not what is being told to us. I am too scared for my grandchildren and children not to find all the facts I can. That’s why I decide for McCain/ Palin

By Dusty

November 2, 2008 2:50 PM | Link to this

Byte Me,

“Dusty” is a drug? I thought it was something that settles on furniture or makes sunsets red or out west a desert? You libs are so clever. Know everything about DRUGS (if nothing else).

Oh, I have already voted also…. for the REAL AMERICANS. McCain Palin 2008

Taypayer,

Oh, stop the sermons. We know quite well why you hate Bush. Because he beat you Democrats in winning elections. Eight years of experience has given you a LOT of practice in mean and ugly. Like I said, WHY DON’T YOU HATE TERRORISTS FOR A CHANGE??? And Saxby Chamliss is not a terrorist.

ECETERA..

I’m somebody else and somebody else is me? Naww…we are just one for all and all for one..that is McCain Palin 2008.

You bunch of paid “volunteers” have to get fancier than that. Not even a good one. Too bad your pay stops Nov. 4. But you are expecting everything you deserve (free, of course).

The only thing any of us can hope to deserve is a free America . Vote for keeping America strong with McCain Palin 2008. America…the greatest country in the world.

Now, try to behave as I shall be gone awhile.

By Hillbilly Deluxe

November 2, 2008 2:54 PM | Link to this

Deficit spending, as Herman Talmadege used to call it, has gone on pretty much unchecked (except for a couple of years) since LBJ. They’re all guilty of it.

By Midori

November 2, 2008 2:55 PM | Link to this

no Andy - what’s pathetic is the constant fear mongering and overall incompetence of the Republican Party, and it’s equally pathetic hanger-ons.

You haven’t been right about a single, solitary issue during the past 8 years.

Not ONE.

Yet you expect and condemn those of us who are fed up with your mud slinging, animosity and sheer inadequacy.

Now that truly is PATHETIC

By Greg Mendel

November 2, 2008 2:57 PM | Link to this

“Palin is qualified by the fact she has security knowledge since Alaska is our first defence against USSR and the fact that 7 out of 8 last presidents were Governors.”

The Union of Soviet Socials Republics (USSR) was disbanded about 20 years ago. Alaska was never our first defense against it, unless there was a plan for an amphibious Soviet invasion via rowboats.

But, I feel more secure knowing Sarah has her eyes peeled. She knows “Red Dawn” was a true story.

By Hillbilly Deluxe

November 2, 2008 2:58 PM | Link to this

My mangling of Herman Talmedge’s name was unintentional.

By Midori

November 2, 2008 3:05 PM | Link to this

today’s Doonesbury

how perfect.

how fitting.

how funny.

By Greg Mendel

November 2, 2008 3:07 PM | Link to this

“Union of Soviet Socials Republics (USSR)”

Oops. That would be Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) (Or CCCP, for that matter). Either way, it’s long gone.

By Midori

November 2, 2008 3:10 PM | Link to this

Sarkokzy calls Sarah Palin

HILARIOUS

By G

November 2, 2008 3:20 PM | Link to this

Midori at 3:10,

How scary is that?

How on earth was she handed the phone without anyone verifying WHO the caller actually was? And then she didn’t even question it herself….sooooo Sarah, if you were hangin’ around the White House could any ol’ terrorist call ya up and say Sarah, we need you to send bombers right away to such-and-such a place? Good grief…….

Obama/Biden ‘08

By AJC/DNC Management

November 2, 2008 3:26 PM | Link to this

By Midori November 2, 2008 2:55 PM no Andy - what’s pathetic is the constant fear mongering and overall incompetence of the Republican Party, and it’s equally pathetic hanger-ons.

Oh I get it, i r o diM creates a problem out of whole clothe, blames it on Bush and we are all supposed to just play along.

Fuh get about it.

We destroyed al Qaeda, we’ve all but won the war in Iraq, the economy was great until you liberals nominated a pure, unadulterated socialist and scared the hell out of investors, what have you got, the debt, blah, blah, blah same old babbling nonsense.

Try that garbage in the fever swamps, where it belongs.

By Taxpayer

November 2, 2008 3:33 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

Please feel free to go back and re-read my earlier posts as many times as it takes for you to absorb what I actually said versus what you claim I have said. Then again, you could always stick with that “more of the same” fixation you seem to have.

By AF

November 2, 2008 3:34 PM | Link to this

Thank you Jay Bookman and Tom Freidman. While we vote to cut our own taxes and live high on the hog, we are consigning our children to eating pig’s feet.

Bush and Republicans cut taxes promisng that would stimulate the economy, grow jobs, increase tax revenues, and pay for the war. We should have known better. Reagan ran up a hugh federal debt on defense spending, cut taxes, promised the same thing, and it never happened either. Talk about “voodoo” economics. And we bought it - twice.

What really happened? The Center on Budget and Policy Priorities (check out their web site) has good information - people who want food for the mind should go there. Friedman has some in his article. What has happened is that income growth goes more and more to those at the very top; very little trickles down. In fact, median incomes have not grown since year 2000. Wealth concentration is now what it as in 1929, just when the Great Depression started.

McCain and Chambliss want to keep the current tax cuts and add to them, by reducing tax rates on capital gains. Should we believe that the result will not be further income gains directed to the very top and greater wealth concentration at the very top?

Obama is not the “wealth redistributor” as McCain claims. All tax policy redistributes wealth and the Republican tax cuts have led to the greatest redistribution of wealth upward since WWII. So forget the phony rhetoric about Obama.

Neither candidate has talked about the problem of the debt. Given the Bush recession, it is probably counter productive to raise taxes broadly at this time. But, when economic times improve, we need to agree to a broad tax increase to at least pay off present and past war and defense spending debt. I don’t trust McCain or Chambliss to be able to do it.

By TN Gelding

November 2, 2008 5:34 PM | Link to this

AF

November 2, 2008 3:34 PM

Great posting.

Let’s get the budget balanced first, then talk about paying off debt. Half of it is held by the government itself. I’d like to redeeem what is being held by China and other foreign entities first.

Remember how Republicans threw out the red herring that we couldn’t pay off the debt because it would disrupt credit markets? I told Bob Barr’s staff then the projected surplus was based on false assumptions.

And then along came W!

By Bud Wiser

November 2, 2008 5:44 PM | Link to this

You know, once Jay put out his concerns and reaction to people verbalizing insults and slurs, that Midori has nothing to say. Nice cartoon, btw. Glad to see that you are using your time profitably (for you), since you obviously are incapable of providing any intelligent additions to the subjects at hand.

Have a nice day!

By AmVet

November 2, 2008 6:14 PM | Link to this

Alas, had the Republicans only conducted as much oversight of their own president as they did of President Clinton.

The fools impeached the wrong one.

Bill Clinton betrayed his wife.

George W. Bush betrayed the nation…

By TN Gelding

November 2, 2008 6:43 PM | Link to this

AmVet

November 2, 2008 6:14 PM

I salute you, sir!

By AmVet

November 2, 2008 7:01 PM | Link to this

TN Gelding,

Apparently the latest GOP rallying cry is “Elect Republicans. Or else!”

Makes you wonder who comes up with this stuff, doesn’t it?

I guess they have finally concluded they are going to relinquish quite a few more seats in Congress. Best case. Worst is another epic humiliation like the last one.

A new ad shows the desperation: “No checks. No balances — a liberal agenda so scary its effects will be felt for a generation.”

Too bad, it’s all more fear mongering by the professional scaredy cats of the GOP. The nation has survived each of the 34 presidents, from George Washington to George W. Bush, who did business at some point in his tenure when Congress was controlled by his own party.

Like it or not, they have no one but themselves to blame for their current horrific position…

By professional skeptic

November 3, 2008 7:41 AM | Link to this

Bud Wiser said:

then the America I know and love will have ceased to exist, and like a well-loved family member who has passed, I will grieve and move on. Maybe the Bahamas, maybe Canada, somewhere except in a country in its death throes.

Typical Rethuglicon leech mentality. Like ticks on a dog, they’ll stick around sucking wealth from our country, reaping the benefits of our nation’s infrastructure, workforce and justice system, while all the time avoiding and evading taxes, hoarding cash and stashing wealth abroad. Then, when the bill finally comes due for all the years of reckless borrowing and wanton overspending, they’ll pack up and leave behind a tattered, ruined and hopelessly indebted nation, to enjoy the good life overseas.

How supremely patriotic.

You and your ilk disgust me, Bud Wiser, which is why I’m voting for Obama and against every possible Rethuglicon incumbent on Tuesday.