Jay Bookman

By RW-(the original)

November 1, 2008 6:48 PM | Link to this

Actually they should be prosecuted, but didn’t you just violate your own new policy? It was a stupid thing to do and as I added criminal, but how do you know the people you admit haven’t been ferreted out are stupid?

I see nothing different in that and pointing out how foolish someone’s take is on an issue and ending the post with a rhetorical flourish.

By @@

November 1, 2008 7:07 PM | Link to this

Heeyyyyy jay! Since you never gave me a list of what constitutes “name-calling” is “stupid” o.k. if used twice, thrice, once?

I’ll be needing that list for future reference O Benevolent One. Lead me in the right direction! Or is it the left direction.

I know…….I know! Mine is probably a stupid request.

I’ll just perch on that fence post with Bosch.

By getalife

November 1, 2008 7:14 PM | Link to this

We still have accountability for government?

Like checking passport files, the door to no privacy has been opened by w.

Now, the dems will have this power so get use to it.

By Taxpayer

November 1, 2008 7:18 PM | Link to this

Well, Jay, it would appear that you have brought out the “stupid” comments. Notice the clever use of the quotations in order to skirt the law of the land. I learned that from the Bush Administration. Regarding this case, I say it looks like someone needs a refresher course in the law along with some stiff punishment. Now, can we get a little trickle-up justice doled out for others that seem to think that digging into people’s private lives can be justified with a broad stroke of anti-terrorism claims.

By AJC/DNC Management

November 1, 2008 7:19 PM | Link to this

Of course “she didn’t know.”

By AJC/DNC Management

November 1, 2008 7:22 PM | Link to this

Obama Vows To Create ‘Civilian National Security Force’…

“Just as strong, just as well funded as the military.”

What in the blank is he talking about?

By "The Corporal"

November 1, 2008 7:23 PM | Link to this

I don’t know which is worse, a drubbing by Florida or Obama but I guess it’s Obama since another chance at him takes four years.

By "The Corporal"

November 1, 2008 7:26 PM | Link to this

Hey Libs

Maybe I can make it to general yet !!

Obama Vows To Create Civilian National Security Force

By getalife

November 1, 2008 7:26 PM | Link to this

Told ya stealing freedom was a bad idea Andy.

By booger

November 1, 2008 7:45 PM | Link to this

General “what”, corporal?

Just a friendly question.

By AJC/DNC Management

November 1, 2008 7:55 PM | Link to this

Why all the surprises so late in the game?

Why wasn’t this Gestapo garbage brought up in the primaries?

Are you people down with this, being drafted against your will into some freaking militia?

By @@

November 1, 2008 7:56 PM | Link to this

I don’t think The Corporal will make it into OBlahMa’s Civilian National Security Force.

It’s reserved for the youth. The free-thinkers.

By AJC/DNC Management

November 1, 2008 8:00 PM | Link to this

Aahhh, yes, I’ve figured it out:

In 1921 Adolf Hitler formed his own private army called Sturm Abteilung (Storm Section). The SA (also known as stormtroopers or brownshirts) were instructed to disrupt the meetings of political opponents and to protect Hitler from revenge attacks. Captain Ernst Roehm of the Bavarian Army played an important role in recruiting these men, and became the SA’s first leader.

I mean, really, there are those rogue bands of photographers out there that we need to protect the Lovely Barak Obama from.

By @@

November 1, 2008 8:03 PM | Link to this

HIS plans for a Civilian National Security Force came out early on in that nuanced way he has. That gifted oratorical skill his followers have come to love.

By AJC/DNC Management

November 1, 2008 8:19 PM | Link to this

We know what you’re thinking — “that sounds awesome, but what about the angry right wingers? Won’t they suddenly start storming congressional hearings and vandalizing military recruiting stations? Won’t they start producing Obama assassination fantasy plays at the local college?” Don’t worry, as members of the incoming Administration, we will identify any potential troublemakers and prosecute them to the full extent of President Obama’s new civility laws. And with the re-establishment of the Fairness Doctrine, you won’t have to worry about accidentally tuning into right wing hate radio.-Iowahawk

By Taxpayer

November 1, 2008 8:19 PM | Link to this

Perhaps he wants to do something similar to what our ally, Israel does. Or, maybe he thinks that a draft is a better way to go in order to get a truer US taxpayer/voter buy-in into wars rather than fighting “noble” causes with Hessians. Lots of possibilities.

By @@

November 1, 2008 8:31 PM | Link to this

I thought this was banned?

Filmed October, 2008. The hidden camera doesn’t render the best quality, but if you listen closely, the woman says “sometimes the babies are born alive. They can’t survive outside the womb. They eventually die.”

Welcome to OBlahMa’s extermination tactics.

By "The Corporal"

November 1, 2008 8:33 PM | Link to this

To Booger and @@

Yeah, you guys are probably right. Colin Powell probably already has it wrapped up. Guess I just stay enlisted as we are the ones who worked for a living anyway.

And what rank were you guys may I ask?

By RW-(the original)

November 1, 2008 8:46 PM | Link to this

Much of Osawatomie, which was written at a time when the Dohrn-Ayers wing of the Weather Underground was transitioning from terrorism to “working from the inside” for revolution, concerns itself with the need to encourage “organizers” who will work in “communities” and use “audacity” to bring about “socialism” in America

By "The Corporal"

November 1, 2008 8:47 PM | Link to this

Like that onside kick?

I don’t know which is worse, a drubbing by Florida or Obama but I guess it’s Obama since another chance at him takes four years.

By BDAtlanta

November 1, 2008 8:56 PM | Link to this

The right wing hate will probably manifest itself in 8 years of abortion clinic bombings like in the 1990’s. You folks are sick twists…coming out of the wood work again.

They can’t stand losing an election so they wig out.

By @@

November 1, 2008 8:58 PM | Link to this

Corporal:

My husband was a Spec 4 ? in the Army.

Me?

I was secretary to the Colonel who commanded the R.O.T.C. in high school. I was enlisted at the tender age of 15. Served the expected nine months in a school year. (ISH)

My most dangerous encounter was when a 17…..almost 18 year old cadet cornered me in the Colonel’s office, turned out the light, and locked the door.

An officer and gentleman he was not.

I swiftly and efficiently made waste of him.

By Dusty

November 1, 2008 9:02 PM | Link to this

Well, a strange story is written on the home page of this AJC.com. Andy had mentioned it earlier.

Obama’s aunt, an illegal alien, has been living in Boston in a Public Housing Project for four years.

Ok, so it is family. Obviously the AJC thought it was news. Just one more thing to wonder about Obama.

By AJC/DNC Management

November 1, 2008 9:05 PM | Link to this

By BDAtlanta November 1, 2008 8:56 PM The right wing hate will probably manifest itself in 8 years of abortion clinic bombings like in the 1990’s. You folks are sick twists…coming out of the wood work again.

I’m pretty sure that Eric Rudolph is still in prison while Bill Ayers is a member of the Lovely Barak Obama campaign.

You embrace bomb throwers, remember?

By @@

November 1, 2008 9:20 PM | Link to this

Which Jonas Brother Has the Best Hair?

Who the heck are the Jonas Brothers, jay?

Unfortunately, I must say the one on the left.

By @@

November 1, 2008 9:36 PM | Link to this

I suspected as much.

Questions raised over Syrian complicity in US raid

By Yet another sigh

November 1, 2008 9:48 PM | Link to this

It’s interesting that every online reference to “Obama Vows To Create Civilian National Security Force” appears on ultra-right wing web pages. Without exception, they invoke outrageous images - Hitler Youth, the Gestapo, Re-education camps…it would be hilarious if it weren’t so sad. Sad, that supposedly educated people are so willing to eschew fact and embrace fiction in the name of their personal ideologies.

There is no supporting information offered by any of the pundits, internet talking heads, bloggers, etc. - only supposition from people who have already proven that they are willing to hurl Occam’s Razor as far away from them as possible.

What a pathetic bunch we have become.

By AJC/DNC Management

November 1, 2008 9:56 PM | Link to this

Why don’t you explain to us what a “Civilian National Security Force” is, Lovely Barak Obama seminar blogger?

Do tell us.

By getalife

November 1, 2008 10:01 PM | Link to this

Post the link Andy.

I will check the source and see what you are talking about.

By AJC/DNC Management

November 1, 2008 10:04 PM | Link to this

al-Gitmo: He’s your candidate.

You have no idea of the radical ideas he’s busy proposing, do you?

How sad.

By RW-(the original)

November 1, 2008 10:07 PM | Link to this

Well lookie here!

LGF has Prarie Fire in pdf, complete with the shoutout to Sirhan Sirhan

As it turns out a post with the title “Stupid People Doing Stupid Things” has enormous possibilities for on topic contributions, although I don’t find Ayers, Dorhn, or their little lapdog to be stupid people. Well maybe the lapdog.

By Midori

November 1, 2008 10:10 PM | Link to this

`Have you guys heard the Palin Pranked audio yet?

FUNNY!!!

By getalife

November 1, 2008 10:14 PM | Link to this

Here it is Andy

He is talking about intell dummie and not outing CIA agents.

Geez.

By getalife

November 1, 2008 10:20 PM | Link to this

Midori,

He can see Belgium. LOL.

Very gullible but friendly.

By Truly Sad

November 1, 2008 10:26 PM | Link to this

I thought that I’d seen the worst that our modern version of “political discourse” could produce years ago, as an undergraduate in North Carolina. Jesse Helms was running against Harvey Gant, and maintained a razor-thin margin against his opponent.

A week or so before the election, Helms ran an ad that claimed that Gant was unfit for office because “ is friends with homosexuals”.

At the time I was amazed that anyone would be so shallow, so limited in their comprehension of the world that “being friends with homosexuals” would serve to change the minds of undecided voters. Now…I view that particular attempt at hate-mongering and rabble-rousing as an amateur hour, compared to what I’ve seen here and on other blogs.

Instead of the relatively innocuous “friends with homosexuals”, we’ve seen “terrorist”, “communist”, “friend to murders”, “socialist”, “destroyer of America”, and more…and worse.

What have we become? When did discussing issues become passee? When did a reasoned, articulated debate about pros and cons of policy become replaced by character assasination, rampant use of logical fallacy, demagougery and plain, basic untruth become the dominant course of political discussion in this country?

Blogs like this make me weep for America. Instead of stating logical, cogent reasons for your voting choices, many of us have, instead, chosen to demonize candidates, reduce them to caricatures, turn them into villains and monsters instead of human beings with which we may disagree. Instead of offering intelligent debate, we resort to hate and ugliness.

God help us all…we certainly aren’t helping ourselves.

By @@

November 1, 2008 10:26 PM | Link to this

The German people didn’t know they were falling victim to Hitler while it was happening to them either.

O.K., so here’s his plan — the one he revealed in July, 2008. It’s basically a bunch of community organizers to address healthcare, environmental issues, education, blah blah blah. The proposed cost? Somewhere towards the bottom — between $100 billion to $500 billion a year.

This part’s good too:

Last, given the dangers and the sacrifices that our fighting men and women are making every day in Iraq and Afghanistan, is it really fair to suggest that AmeriCorps and similar programs should be “just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded” as the military?

It goes back to his arrogance problem. It overwhelms him.

Then comes wisdom:

Times have certainly changed. I hesitate to think what the American public would have thought of a politician during World War II who suggested that those donating their time to tutoring, visiting the sick, or leading blackout drills on neighborhood watches on the homefront should be “just as well funded” as those serving in the military. My grandfather, who was too old to serve in WW II and led such neighborhood drills, was a man whom I admired more than anyone else I knew while I was growing up. I’m certain that my grandfather would have thought Obama’s suggestion to be strangely lacking in proportion and simple common sense.

HE don’t need no stinkin’ common sense. HE only needs words to lead his unsuspecting sheep.

By RW-(the original)

November 1, 2008 10:27 PM | Link to this

My, my…getalife just called Andy a dummie, how will that be treated by the guy that thinks calling people stupid is perfectly acceptable while calling them morons is grounds for banishment.

Once you begin to invoke speech codes they can be very confusing without a detailed list of approved words. Perhaps going back to freedom of expression would be an option.

By Midori

November 1, 2008 10:27 PM | Link to this

Getalife,

I laughed an hour straight :)

By Just_Me

November 1, 2008 10:38 PM | Link to this

Well, The total decay of McCain is complete-just saw a commerical with Rev. Wright, touting Obama’s 20 yr attendance at his church.

What happened to McCain’s refusal to use that in his campaign?

Desperate times call for desperate measures?

McCain has diminished himself….

Waste of money as well-ain’t nothing any of us haven’t heard before!

Already voted; just waiting for Wednesday morning.

By getalife

November 1, 2008 10:43 PM | Link to this

Oh no, not banned here too.

He is talking about intell and not outing CIA agents.

Better?

By RW-(the original)

November 1, 2008 11:09 PM | Link to this

getalife,

I could comment on how chilling this slippery slope Jay has decided to navigate is, but there is nobody I know that has been banned on more blogs than you and you seem to be an equal opportunity offender, so I’ll defer to you. Why don’t you ask JB what’s up? Unless you’re already banned. :-)

By @@

November 1, 2008 11:17 PM | Link to this

Waste of money as well-ain’t nothing any of us haven’t heard before!

Did you know that less than half of the American public watched OBlahMa’s 30 minute infomercial? Total cost?

I heard $6 million or thereabouts.

When that Luntz fella polled some undecideds, everyone he asked said it was nothing they hadn’t heard before. Lacking specifics as always.

By TN Gelding

November 2, 2008 12:01 AM | Link to this

I think that it’s reasonably clear that Obama is talking about expanding a range of domestic and international agencies such as AmeriCorps, the Foreign Service, and the Peace Corps — and adding some new ones.

The two controversial sentences were not in the transcript of Obama’s prepared remarks. Because the lines seem as if they were crafted ahead of time, I wonder whether the language was cut from an earlier draft, but Obama decided to deliver the sentences anyway.

Jim Lindgren - The Volokh Conspiracy

Text of speech.

By "The Corporal"

November 2, 2008 12:12 AM | Link to this

To @@

I hope you received a medal for that !

Maybe you too can join up with private Obama’s civilian defense force. I bet Bill Ayers will be the Commandant!

See you there …………….

By Midori

November 2, 2008 12:41 AM | Link to this

hey Corporal - I have a gift for you:

Regional McCain Manager Denies Obama’s Citizenship: Tim McClellan, a regional manager in Florida for the McCain campaign, isn’t sold on the idea of Obama as an American citizen:

I love the smell of desperation in the morning.

By AJC/DNC Management

November 2, 2008 1:04 AM | Link to this

I’m sure that by tomorrow morning Bush/McCain will be playing the Theme from Rocky as he appears on stage before 250 to 300 people at his next campaign stop.

Have you ever noticed the faces of the people at Bush/McCain ralleys? There is a very noticable absence of color.

When you hear someone address a crowed with the phrase “my friends”, you can trust them about as much as you can trust a used car salesman.

Did you hear Sarah getting punked this evening? Really funny stuff!

Did you hear about Bush’s plans to remove more regulations before he hits the trail? Talk about mooning the American People on the way out the door…

Well only a few more days until “the end of an ERROR”!

Well the end of an error is very near!

By ron

November 2, 2008 4:15 AM | Link to this

Good morning all,Last night they slid the time back on me and I who normally rises at 0400 am now gettng up at 0300.

That’s Sergeant ron to you,Corporal.Shape up troop,or ship out.

Outing Joe the Plumber wasn’t a smart thing to do.The person responsible should be terminated.Government employees making private information public need to join Scooter Libby.Joe’s privacy is no less important than Mrs. Plame’s.

Civilian National Security Force.Will this be a fancy name for “police informant”,or will these people report directly up the line to the White House?Sort of,”let’s keep a list of those that don’t like us out there” type folk.

My Grandfather was in the coast watch during WW2.His job was to watch for submarines,ships,planes, and suspicious activity/persons on the beach.I’m not sure if there was compensation involved.It’s too late to ask him.

There is nothing derogatory in this post,and I,ron,approve of this message.

By AJC/DNC Management

November 2, 2008 6:32 AM | Link to this

I wonder what would happen to me, hated Conservative, if I were to ever start name jacking liberals, hmmmmmmm?

By AJC/DNC Management November 2, 2008 1:04 AM I’m sure that by tomorrow morning Bush/McCain will be playing the Theme from Rocky as he appears on stage before 250 to 300 people at his next campaign stop.

This is the new civility?

By Dennis

November 2, 2008 7:24 AM | Link to this

Jay; This information has been around for a week. That the Columbus Dispatch, The AJC and you have not reported it is the news.

Your may plead ignorance, but that will not wash. It is today’s journalism.

Saturday evening, you clearly think we are the stupid ones.

By laidback and lucky

November 2, 2008 7:30 AM | Link to this

Has the press and all the voters forgotten about Cynthia McKinney, shes a candidate for President, you know shes the one that whupped that guards a** because he didn’t recognize her. Shes worth taking a look at for president. As it stands I would rather have her the McCain or Obama.

By Ray

November 2, 2008 8:12 AM | Link to this

Laidback,

That earns you a seat right next to all those morons in Harlem that thought Palin was the Annointed One’s VP candidate. McKinney……. about as stupid as it gets.

By spankmonkey

November 2, 2008 8:20 AM | Link to this

Ummmm… the Nazi party was considered “conservative”…

By "The Corporal"

November 2, 2008 9:16 AM | Link to this

To Midori

But if true ?

To Sgt. Ron

And in which branch may I ask were you a sergeant ?

By Ladilovely

November 3, 2008 10:26 AM | Link to this

‘I Didn’t Vote For Obama’

‘I Didn’t Vote For Obama’ by Kentucky Scott

I’m a middle-class white guy living in Jacksonville , Florida . I’ve got a wife and two kids. Because the kids had no school today, I took a vacation day from work, and took the kids downtown to vote early. Fifty-nine minutes later, two smiling children and I proudly sported ‘I Voted’ stickers.
But I didn’t vote for Obama.

I voted for my ancestors, who believed in the promise of this country and came with nothing as immigrants. I voted for my parents, who taught in the public schools for decades. I voted for Steve, an acquaintance of mine from Kentucky . (Killed by an IED two years ago in Iraq ). I voted for Shawn, another who’s been to Iraq twice, and Afghanistan once, and who’ll be going back to Afghanistan again soon — and whose family earned eleven bucks a month too much to qualify for food stamps when the war started. I voted for April, the only African-American girl in my high school — it was years before it occurred to me how different her experience of our school must have been. I voted for my college friends who are Christian, Jewish, Mormon, and yes — Muslim. I voted for my grandfathers, who worked hard in factories and died too young. I voted for the plumber who worked on my house, because I want him to get a REAL tax break. I voted for four little angels from Birmingham . I voted for a bunch of dead white men who, although personally flawed, were willing to pledge their lives, fortunes, and sacred honor, and used a time of great crisis to expand freedom rather than suspend it. I voted for all those people and more, and I voted for all of you, too.

But mostly, I voted selfishly: I voted for two little kids, one who has ballet in an hour, and one who has baseball practice at the same time. I voted for a world where they can be confident that their government will represent the best that is in this country, and that will in turn demand the best of them.
I voted for a government that will be respected in the world. I voted for an economy that will reward work above guile. I voted for everything I believe in. Sure, I filled in the circle next to the name Obama, but it wasn’t him I was voting for — it was every single one of us, and those I love most of all.’