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When history is written, debates did it

Robert Kaiser of the Washington Post has a thesis that I suspect history will embrace when all of this is over: The debates did it. That’s where Obama won the race.

He quotes Frank Fahrenkopf, former head of the Republican National Committee and now the GOP’s representative on the debate commission:

“”I think it took Obama three debates for people to see how calm he was, how composed he was, that you couldn’t get to this guy,” says Fahrenkopf. “He was very well organized. By the time that final debate was over, I think he satisfied the qualms of the American people.”

I think that’s exactly right. There were no zingers in the debates, no meltdowns, no obvious turning points. Just one guy looking more and more presidential, and the other guy not.

REMINDER: If you’ve got a prediction on the outcome Tuesday, put your numbers in the thread down below. Deadline to post is noon Saturday.

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By TW

October 31, 2008 7:50 AM | Link to this

Debates were big, but picking Palin was about like blowing the No.1 pick on Ryan Leaf……

“A former Republican Secretary of State and one of John McCain’s most prominent supporters offered a stunningly frank and remarkably bleak assessment of Sarah Palin’s capacity to handle the presidency should such a scenario arise.

Lawrence Eagleburger, who served as Secretary of State under George H.W. Bush and whose endorsement is often trumpeted by McCain, said on Thursday that the Alaska governor is not only unprepared to take over the job on a moment’s notice but, even after some time in office, would only amount to an “adequate” commander in chief.”

Horrible, horrible mistake by John McCain.

Can’t afford another four years of bad judgement.

By Bhorsoft

October 31, 2008 7:50 AM | Link to this

Obama/Biden win - 280 electoral votes, slim popular vote margin - 50/49%. McCain carries Georgia, just barely. Martin/Chambliss in a runoff. Dems get majority in the Senate, but are 1 short of the 60 needed to block filibusters.

By Joey

October 31, 2008 7:55 AM | Link to this

How gracious of you and Mr. Kaiser. Giving up the credit that is rightfully yours. If Obama/Biden wins it will be the media that deserves the credit.

Regarding the debates, it will have been the media fictional stories on the debates that birthed most of the benefits accured by O/B.

But this is wise of you and Kaiser as well. Assuming an O/B victory, when the worm turns, and it will, you will have this post to point to as your alibi.

By AJC/DNC Management

October 31, 2008 7:59 AM | Link to this

Here’s what is going to win it for the Repugs:

George F. Will, Ken Adelman, Frank F*******, David Brooks — these are just a few names on the list of eminent experts who have declared that Sarah Palin is what’s wrong with the Republican Party.

Even if we were to add all their prestigious names to the list, however, it wouldn’t be nearly as long as the line of people who stood in the cold wind of Pennsylvania to see Palin this week.

The line outside the Heiges Field House at Shippensburg University was already growing long by noon, more than two hours before the doors opened for a Tuesday rally that wasn’t scheduled to start until 5 p.m. And two hours after the doors opened, the line still stretched down the sidewalk, around the Luhrs Performing Arts Center, all the way along Cumberland Drive past the baseball field and uphill to Grove Stadium. -AmSpec

We ain’t down with the pinkkko game plan.

Let’s win one for the Gipper!!

By hillbilly ragger

October 31, 2008 7:59 AM | Link to this

Bhorsoft, you have to post that bold prediction in this thread for it to count for the big prize.

Joey, I think that whining about the media is just one of many things the American public’s had enough of. Might want to re-consider that next time around.

By CHIP S

October 31, 2008 8:02 AM | Link to this

People like SAXBY CHAMBLISS……and Limbaugh and Hannity are so utterly childish and selfish that they can’t even comprehend the concept of capitalism and cooperation cohabitating.They are adult babies and they are dangerous.

By SOUTHERN ATL

October 31, 2008 8:15 AM | Link to this

HERE I GO AGAIN, AND AGAIN….

The people of GEORGIA have BARACK OBAMA and JOHN MARTIN….on their minds…just an old sweet song…one that is sung when standing in the LONG LONG voting lines…even in the cold….…Geogia, old Georgia the whole day through..just an old sweet song that keeps GEORGIA ON OUR MINDS to turn BLUE!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxaajpwInFU&feature=related

JAY, I told you that this will be the BIGGEST upset of the SOUTH!!!

PLEASE VOTE BEFORE NOVEMBER 4

YOU BETCHA!!!

By AJC/DNC Management

October 31, 2008 8:19 AM | Link to this

In an open letter released October 15, gun rights lobbyist and Illinois State Rifle Association Executive Director Richard Pearson writes that “in all my years in the Capitol I have never met a legislator who harbors more contempt for the law-abiding firearm owner than does Barack Obama.” -AmSpec

Want the government to come get your guns? Then vote for the socialist.

By TN Gelding

October 31, 2008 8:22 AM | Link to this

Jay, we’ve got to get the young folks to the polls. I wish you would have held this until Tuesday night.

It shouldn’t even be close based on what you said above. But some people don’t think even as shallowly as I do.

By Soixante huitard

October 31, 2008 8:22 AM | Link to this

Some not-so-random musings:

A new America — a more just America — rises.

Well said.

By Tom

October 31, 2008 8:23 AM | Link to this

Should Obama be elected on Tuesday, several things are absolute certainties. The Repugs and those low-lifes who support them will do EVERYTHING in their power to undermine his presidency. Just as they did with Clinton and those before him. And to hell with the welfare of the nation. It has ALWAYS been that way - always that organized, concerted effort to destroy. These are the most unAmerican people on the face of the earth. The ultimate traitors.

By Soixante huitard

October 31, 2008 8:30 AM | Link to this

More not-so-random musings (courtesy of C. Tucker):

Whether Obama wins or loses, the America in which Fields grew up — preserved as perfect in the amber of her memory — is passing away.

Nice.

By hillbilly ragger

October 31, 2008 8:31 AM | Link to this

John McCain on Larry King Live wednesday.

“L. KING: Do you — you don’t believe Barack Obama is a socialist, do you?

MCCAIN: No.”

Luckotrooool @ 8.19, why do you hate John McCain?

By ByteMe

October 31, 2008 8:32 AM | Link to this

How the debates (and the economic crisis) affected the poll standings (as reflected by electoral college counts) is shown clearly with this graphic:

Electoral-vote.com

Given the lag between the debate and the polls, it looks like the initial spike for Obama happened because of the wall street crisis and the two candidates’ responses to it, not the debates. I think the debates provided confirmation of what people had decided, but it wasn’t the deciding factor themselves.

By Mrs.Godzilla

October 31, 2008 8:33 AM | Link to this

The debates did do it.

Tha Barack O’mmercial helped.

This Obama interview by Rachel Maddow is a clincher.

We’re in full wedding mode here…dinner for 150 all home cooked..giant floating balls of tulle and twinklers….Mr. G b***’ about the damn monkey suit…

This has been so much fun. Watching a young couple get off on the right foot. All of us laughing and dancing and working towards a common goal.

ANd then next Tuesday…..

My cup runneth over.

By No More Loony Republicans

October 31, 2008 8:36 AM | Link to this

Be afraid, Andy. Be Very Afraid. They’re coming to take you away, Ha Ha Ho Ho He He. To the funny farm.

By Soixante huitard

October 31, 2008 8:39 AM | Link to this

Says the English liberal rag The Economist:

America should take a chance and make Barack Obama the next leader of the free world.

Whaddya think, ANJCDC Manglement, does that make them ‘socialists’ too?

By Mr Snarky

October 31, 2008 8:40 AM | Link to this

I agree. I’m not a historian but I play one on this blog. Once people saw how Obama could be completely cool under pressure vs. McCain Mr. Cranky, they became comfortable with him, hence Obama’s steady performance in the polls since.

By AJC/DNC Management

October 31, 2008 8:44 AM | Link to this

Here’s Oblahma’s pick as Chief of Staff:

Emanuel: Republicans ‘can go f* themselves’…

Nice, isn’t it?

By Soixante huitard

October 31, 2008 8:48 AM | Link to this

If only the real John McCain had been running, says the Economist.

By TW

October 31, 2008 8:49 AM | Link to this

Never thought I’d see the day when Lawrence Eagleburger was ‘liberal media.’

But then, I suppose anybody with a high school diploma is ‘liberal media.’

Karl Rove’s greatest accomplishment was his ability to mask the white trash that is the GOP.

By Mike

October 31, 2008 8:49 AM | Link to this

LOL. After all of his incessant carping about how the GOP presided over eight years of indescribable evil and incompetence, Bookman thinks it all came down to debates? It has nothing to do with the turning away from the GOP that he has been crowing about? It has nothing to do with all of the “negative” campaigning by McCain? It has nothing to do with Palin?

I love how Bookman can rotate through his partisan bashing without any consistency across his “columns”. Then again, I shouldn’t blame him for not remembering the offhanded dreck that he puts out every morning. It’s not very memorable?

By RW-(the original)

October 31, 2008 8:49 AM | Link to this

gelding,

How many of the young folks do you think are reading Jay B’s blog?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I’ve spent most of this week driving all over Georgia and if there’s anything to the yard sign disparity McCain/Palin will win Georgia with ease. I didn’t see one single solitary sign for this JOHN Martin character Southern Atl is all worked up over.

Jay B.,

Assuming Obama manages to squeak this thing out true historians will look back and wonder how it was ever even in question. They’ll note that the state run media agreed in advance to be nationalized under the banner of the Obamanation.

History will show that any citizen that dared question the Dear Leader would have his or her life turned upside down and dissent would no longer be tolerated.

By Soixante huitard

October 31, 2008 8:54 AM | Link to this

More from Economist: “[Obama’s election] would be far harder for the spreaders of hate in the Islamic world to denounce the Great Satan if it were led by a black man whose middle name is Hussein; and far harder for autocrats around the world to claim that American democracy is a sham. .. At home he would salve, if not close, the ugly racial wound left by America’s history and lessen the tendency of American blacks to blame all their problems on racism.

By Eric1

October 31, 2008 8:55 AM | Link to this

I’m thinking 320 electoral votes for President Obama. He may even carry Georgia and Jim Martin to victory. Yes!!

By Joey

October 31, 2008 8:56 AM | Link to this

Hillbilly (7:59): A clear and concise statement of truth is not whining.

However, when one chooses to deny the undenyable by labeling it whining: that could easily fall under the definiton of whining.

By professional skeptic

October 31, 2008 8:58 AM | Link to this

The debates AND the current financial institution bailout scandal are two main factors, I think.

In the midst of our nation’s most devastating financial meltdown since the Great Depression, we’ve got a Republican administration heaving taxpayers’ cash by the truckload to financial institutions that only want to use the cash for opportunistic acquisitions and paying themselves gargantuan year-end bonuses.

Bonuses! Did I mention this was the most devastating financial episode our nation — nay, the entire globe — has faced since the first half of last century? And these firms want to take taxpayer-funded assistance to finance their dividends and bonuses.

All this is happening on the Republicans’ watch, no less. The average work-a-day American is tired of the madness.

And yes, Obama held up far better during the debates than his opponent, to be sure.

By No More Loony Republicans

October 31, 2008 8:58 AM | Link to this

McCain’s economic adviser and Treasury Secretary: Phil Gramm; McCain’s fully vetted VEEP: Palin. Be afraid, be very afraid, Republicans, of what your choice for President would let loose on the world.

By Soixante huitard

October 31, 2008 8:59 AM | Link to this

Moving now from Economist to another rag, just slightly less left-of-center:

No other Republican candidate had a character and background — as a courageously independent spirit — better suited to making the presidential campaign competitive this year. But perhaps no Republican candidate was so poorly suited to the task of running a presidential race. NRO (Lowry)

By "The Corporal"

October 31, 2008 9:08 AM | Link to this

If humans and apes evolved from a common ancestor, mathematical probablity alone would dictate there would be thousands of intermediate species roaming the world and many would talk.

Oh, I’m sorry those are democrats.

By Paul

October 31, 2008 9:10 AM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla

Congratulations! I’m very happy for you. May they have a wonderful life together.

Management: 8:44

Emanuel? This is ‘change’?

Jay

I’d like to play the prediction game, but the movement in the polls gives me the impression this is going to be closer than many anticipate.

How undecideds will break is a guessing game. The impact of 30 million or so new voters (correct number?) and a record turnout could play havoc with the historical model. Then again, there may not be all that much change in patterns among certain demographics, such as the youth vote.

Toss into that the regional percentages as opposed to the national totals, then narrow that down to the few ‘must win’ states that are still in contention, I’d have to say Sen Obama is the favorite. But by how much? There’s still that helicopter hovering nearby… And McCain was a fixed-wing driver…

By "The Corporal"

October 31, 2008 9:13 AM | Link to this

I spent a lifetime interviewing the best scam artists this country has to offer(credit card fraudsters, counterfeiters, check forgers, etc.).

And do you know, the best ones I ever came across were very composed, calm and I just coudn’t get to them …… it’s what makes them so good at what they do.

It’s called DECEPTION.

No whining.

By Soixante huitard

October 31, 2008 9:14 AM | Link to this

How undecideds will break is a guessing game

They’ll probably heavily lean McCain. Last vestiges of so-called Bradley effect.

By Taxpayer

October 31, 2008 9:18 AM | Link to this

…Media fictional stories on the debate… Earth to Joey, what planet are you broadcasting from. Please be so kind as to provide examples to support your claims or is it actually you who is choosing to share the fictional accounts.

By hillbilly ragger

October 31, 2008 9:21 AM | Link to this

Joey @ 8.56, true enough, but it’s not down to you or to me to define “whining,” it’s up to the voters.

And I don’t think many would dispute that McCain’s decision to make his campaign mostly negative, mostly about how he is Not Obama rather than how he’s going to be a great president, and griping about the media rather than trying to present appealing themes for the media, haven’t worked for him.

Blame the media if you like. I don’t think they’re particularly interested in having a more progressive v. conservative President, as they are in having profits like any other business and would if anything just like a close race so people need to tune in every day.

Put it this way—If the media are truly “liberal-biased,” then they are unlike any other for-profit business I’ve ever encountered.

But none of it really matters, if attacking the media falls flat as a campaign theme, which appears to be the case for McCain.

By Soixante huitard

October 31, 2008 9:24 AM | Link to this

And do you know, the best ones I ever came across were very composed, calm and I just coudn’t get to them …… it’s what makes them so good at what they do.

But here’s what I want to know. How many of these ‘scam artists’ did you interview over 24 months using an interrogation team, with uninterrupted mass media scrutiny, carried out countless times with different formats ranging from small and intimate to large and boisterious and from formal to casual, under infinitely varied conditions and at sites in 50 states?

Hmm?

By Taxpayer

October 31, 2008 9:26 AM | Link to this

Corporal,

Your ape ancestors were taken out by Charlton Heston — at some point in your future. Be afraid, be very afraid.

By Paul

October 31, 2008 9:28 AM | Link to this

Soixante 9:14

I’d read where the LA Times took issue with the idea of The Bradley Effect. This was in the Washington Post:

Link: Debunking the Bradley Effect

By "The Corporal"

October 31, 2008 9:28 AM | Link to this

To Soixante huitard

Only a fool would not realize that Obama got a free ride from the MSM and he hasn’t given a full blown news conference in weeks. It gets him off the teleprompter and he doesn’t want to answer questions.

Keep your head in the sand

and ……… no whining.

By AmVet

October 31, 2008 9:29 AM | Link to this

I’d say those excerpts at 8:48 and 8:59 are spot on.

Can you imagine the numbers if Mitt, Rudy or Fred were the nominee?

They’d be down by 20 points or more.

And if McCain had not pandered quite so much to the far right-wing fringe, he’d be up by a fair number now, I suppose.

The RINO, once-maverick has tried to run a gauntlet, past the immense BushCo poison well (which should qualify as an EPA Superfund site) by going through the hinterlands of Alaska and skirting the edges of pyschoville, aka Neocontown and then on to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

I’ve never seen a major candidate even try to navigate such a strange, circuitous route before.

Maybe he’ll take some consolation that he came in second…

By Taxpayer

October 31, 2008 9:31 AM | Link to this

So, now the infamous Corporal is telling us that he spent a lifetime as a desk jockey, a paper shuffler, a pencil pusher, interviewing scam artists. We got your scam but there’s nothing artful about it.

By Soixante huitard

October 31, 2008 9:35 AM | Link to this

Oh, Corporal. Now, now. I don’t think Mr. Obama has gotten a free ride from the MSM by any stretch and we French leftists are definitely no fools.

Hey, by the way, here’s your spot-on British wisdom of the day:

Somehow Ronald Reagan’s party of western individualism and limited government has ended up not just increasing the size of the state but turning it into a tool of southern-fried moralism (The Eonomist)

I love those hard-boiled Brits. They have such a way with words

By RB from Gwinnett

October 31, 2008 9:42 AM | Link to this

Jay, I disagree. While Obama’s lack of a meltdown in the debates kept him from blowing it, the true genius of his campaign has been to convince the middle class they’re all victims of evil rich people and big oil along with the loser class. That “tax breaks for 95% paid for by the evil rich 5%” is the only thing in his platform the people are hearing. Don’t belive me, just go ask the average Obama supporter on the streets. In every news story I’ve seen where they talk to average people, that’s the ONLY thing they remember.

Obama ‘08 - Buying votes from ignorant people with other people’s money!!

By Taxpayer

October 31, 2008 9:42 AM | Link to this

Bravo, Soixante.

By Joey

October 31, 2008 9:46 AM | Link to this

Taxpayer (9:18): My feet are firmly planted on earth. However, if you believe every media story about Mc/P is true and honest, the fantasy world is your own.

Hillbilly (9:24): The meanest most unfair and negative attacks on Mc/P came and continue to come from the Media. Obama did not need to be negative since his campaign associates (The Media and other Democrats) were doing it for him. But still Obama could not resist. He ran negative ads and made negative comments.

McCain was more negative than I would have preferred, but given the behavior of his opposition; Media, Democrats and Obama; he had no choice.

Also the option to choose who is whining was not on my ballot.

By reebok

October 31, 2008 9:49 AM | Link to this

A few thoughts…the Palin choice took away any shot McCain had of winning. His first really big decision on the national stage and he picked a Veep candidate who is comically unqualified for the second-most powerful job in the world. His pandering to the red-meat core of the GOP worked, but it worked to the detriment of crossing over and picking up mainstream voters. Next, whatever happens to Saxby Chambliss isn’t bad enough, after his shameless slandering of triple-amputee Viet Nam vet Max Cleland 6 years ago. That said, Chambliss and McCain will both win in Georgia. Finally - VOTE. Go to the polls and VOTE. And tell everyone you know to VOTE. Happy Friday to all…

By AJC/DNC Management

October 31, 2008 9:49 AM | Link to this

By Soixante huitard October 31, 2008 8:39 AM Says the English liberal rag The Economist: America should take a chance and make Barack Obama the next leader of the free world. Whaddya think, ANJCDC Manglement, does that make them ‘socialists’ too?

Oh cool, shake some foreign opinion piece at me, like I even care what the British want America to be like.

There is a good reason why France, al Qaeda and Hamas want Oblahma to be elected, it might just be they think America is too strong and that the libs will neuter us for them.

Funny, I’ve heard quite a few of you pinkkkos saying the same thing.

By AJC/DNC Management

October 31, 2008 9:55 AM | Link to this

The Obama campaign has decided to heave out three newspapers from its plane for the final days of its blitz across battleground states — and all three endorsed Sen. John McCain for president!-Drudge

Allah Akbar!

Seig Heil!

Yes we can!

By AmVet

October 31, 2008 10:02 AM | Link to this

…like I even care what the British want America to be like.

I concur with Andy on this one. Let them run their country how they see fit.

On the other hand…

ANYONE who turns right around and then pays ANY attention to what the ragheads think, supposedly or not, or say, is off their rocker.

Quit sniffing the petrochemicals, neo-cons.

By K_chub

October 31, 2008 10:05 AM | Link to this

Ok Jay here’s my prediction:

Obama 367, 53.4% of Popular Vote McCain 160, 43.5% of Populuar Vote

It’s gonna be landslide.

By hillbilly ragger

October 31, 2008 10:06 AM | Link to this

Joey @ 9.46, you appear to be ignoring what I’ve written about the media’s profit motive.

Do you think that the media giants are singularly uninterested in profit, and are, rather, ideologically driven?

By Soixante huitard

October 31, 2008 10:10 AM | Link to this

Funny, I’ve heard quite a few of you pinkkkos saying the same thing.

That’s pinkko with 2 k’s to you. Dope.

By Taxpayer

October 31, 2008 10:11 AM | Link to this

Joey,

I just challenged you to back up your statements. I see you chose wisely. After all, you would look silly if anyone were to see those feet firmly wedged in that mouth. If you change your mind and decide to back up your claims though, I’ll be waiting. You feeling lucky.

By Bud Wiser

October 31, 2008 10:13 AM | Link to this

Debates? What debates? Are you referring to the 3 TV photo ops by the candidates?

There were never and hardball questions asked of either man. They were both buried under a feather dusting of marshmallows.

A real debate would have been having both men on a stage, fielding questions from a public audience forum, and not a stacked deck of hack supporters for each side.

You know, I retract that…a stacked deck for each side asking the opposition candidate would have been quite entertaining, and informative, indeed. Maybe we could have learned something, anything, about Obama’s past history with his personal goon squad of ‘neighbors, friends and pastors’. Maybe we could have heard straight from McCain’s mouth about his association with the Keating 5, again.

But we did not. All we got was three times pasteurized talking points of mostly irrelevant subjects. There was no one going for the verbal jugular, no criticism, no character to any of them.

I was disgusted.

But, Jay, the election is not until Tuesday, just in case you lost your calendar, unless you have suddenly manifested supernatural predictive powers.

Obama has won nothing yet. Check your own birdcage liner just to verify.

By Bud Wiser

October 31, 2008 10:20 AM | Link to this

According to Snopes.com , Princeton was requested to put a ‘restriction’ on distribution of any copies of the thesis of Michelle Obama (a/k/a/ Michelle laVaughn Robinson) saying it could not be made available until November 5, 2008 but when it was published on a political website they decided they would lift the restriction.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/thesis.asp Subj: Thesis - Michele Obama aka Michelle LaVaughn RobinsonOBAMA’S MILITANT RACISM REVEALED

In her senior thesis at Princeton , Michele Obama, the wife of Barack Obama stated that America was a nation founded on ‘crime and hatred’. Moreover, she stated that whites in America were ‘ineradicably racist’. The 1985 thesis, titled ‘Princeton-Educated Blacks and the Black Community’ was written under her maiden name, Michelle LaVaughn Robinson. Michelle Obama stated in her thesis that to ‘Whites at Princeton , it often seems as if, to them, she will always be Black first…’ However, it was reported by a fellow black classmate, ‘If those ‘Whites at Princeton ’ really saw Michelle as one who always would ‘be Black first,’ it seems that she gave them that impression’. Most alarming is Michele Obama’s use of the terms ‘separationist’ and ‘integrationist’ when describing the views of black people. Mrs. Obama clearly identifies herself with a ‘separationist’ view of race. ‘By actually working with the Black lower class or within their communities as a result of their ideologies, a separationist may better understand the desperation of their situation and feel more hopeless about a resolution as opposed to an integrationist who is ignorant to their plight.’ Obama writes that the path she chose by attending Princeton would likely lead to her ‘further integration and/or assimilation into a white cultural and social structure that will only allow me to remain on the periphery of society; never becoming a full participant.’ Michele Obama clearly has a chip on her shoulder. Not only does she see separate black and white societies in America , but she elevates black over white in her world.

[]

Here is another passage that is uncomfortable and ominous in meaning: ‘There was no doubt in my mind that as a member of the black community, I am obligated to this community and will utilize all of my present and future resources to benefit the black community first and foremost.’ What is Michelle Obama planning to do with her future resources if she’s first lady that will elevate black over white in America ? The following passage appears to be a call to arms for affirmative action policies that could be the hallmark of an Obama administration. ‘Predominately white universities like Princeton are socially and academically designed to cater to the needs of the white students comprising the bulk of their enrollments.’ []

The conclusion of her thesis is alarming. Michelle Obama’s poll of black alumni concludes that other black students at Princeton do not share her obsession with blackness. But rather than celebrate, she is horrified that black alumni identify with our common American culture more than they value the color of their skin. ‘I hoped that these findings would help me conclude that despite the high degree of identification with whites as a result of the educational and occupational path that black Princeton alumni follow, the alumni would still maintain a certain level of identification with the black community. However, these findings do not support this possibility.’ Is it no wonder that most black alumni ignored her racist questionnaire? Only 89 students responded out of 400 who were asked for input. Michelle Obama does not look into a crowd of Obama supporters and see Americans. She sees black people and white people eternally conflicted with one another. The thesis provides a trove of Mrs. Obama’s thoughts and world view seen through a race-based prism. This is a very divisive view for a potential first lady that would do untold damage to race relations in this country in a Barack Obama administration. []

Michelle Obama’s intellectually refined racism should give all Americans pause for deep concern. Now maybe she’s changed, but she sure sounds like someone with an axe to grind with America . Will the press let Michelle get a free pass over her obviously racist comment about American whites? I am sure that it will. PS: We paid for her scholarship.

By findog

October 31, 2008 10:20 AM | Link to this

Sir, one factual error in your thesis: they were not debates they were joint press availabilities…

By Republicans Killed America

October 31, 2008 10:20 AM | Link to this

Andy does seem to have a fixation on things like “kkk”, “urinal”, and assorted hate/terrorist group chants. Probably just his inner most feelings showing through when he gets all excited.

By TW

October 31, 2008 10:25 AM | Link to this

What if the electorate believes some of the McSame ‘terrist’ spew, but have decided that Republicans are worse?

After all, a great argument could be made for the rightwing having screwed us harder than any ‘terrist’ ever did….

By Midori

October 31, 2008 10:27 AM | Link to this

What’s wrong Bud?

I think Michelle described you remarkably well.

By ByteMe

October 31, 2008 10:31 AM | Link to this

Thanks for the link, Bud, but the rest of your rant is right-wingnut talking points and not reflected by what is written at snopes. Stick to the facts, not to someone else’s interpretation of them, and you’ll do fine.

By AmVet

October 31, 2008 10:32 AM | Link to this

Bud, you mean the parallel interviews, as Nader calls them?

Right you, are - they are a total PR circle-jerk with your favorite “journalist” as the pivot man.

The sad thing is if there were other candidates up there, particularly Barr, Nader and yes, even McKinney, watch how that useless, duopolistic dynamic would change instantly.

There would be feet actually held to the fire instead of this mamby-pamby waste of time. There would be an actual discussion of ideas. Thee would be some real accountability.

The corporate owned media and the two parties, via the American Politburo, I mean The Commission on Presidential Debates, have a stranglehold on the information, and they are never going to play nice unless WE make them do it.

Nader/Gonzalez 08

By E

October 31, 2008 10:32 AM | Link to this

Any politician or political party who has an agenda that includes trying to strip me of my rights by turning religious doctrine into law is scary. Period.

Bottom line: VOTE!

Don’t get lazy just because the polls show a lead for Obama. Use your voice, use your vote.

Obama/Biden ‘08

By mm

October 31, 2008 10:34 AM | Link to this

Ah, the wingnuts still blaming the media and trying to find skeletons in Obama’s closet. Oh no, he’s going to take your money and your guns.

The media has given McCain such a free ride. His campaign has been pathetic, but the media keeps propping him up to make it look close. They’ve got to. Who would watch/read their BS if it was going to be a landslide?

Well, it IS going to be a landslide. Give it up wingnuts. You reap what you sow.

By Soixante huitard

October 31, 2008 10:36 AM | Link to this

Thanks for link to WaPo, Paul. I agree that the concept of “Bradley effect” is flawed since in that race there were multiple factors at work.

However, I still believe there are large numbers who will not vote because of race. Though many of these are already accounted for under McCain’s numbers, I still tend to agree with the view that there remain a considerable number of those under “undecideds” and that they will remain undecided until they decide, by pulling the lever for McCain. My guess would be McCain will get 70-80% of these undecideds.

By getalife

October 31, 2008 10:46 AM | Link to this

Waiting on obl to weigh in….

“Pressing His Advantage:

Obama going on TV for the first time in Arizona — and back on the air in Georgia and North Dakota.”

Low young vote turn out. What’s up with the young folks but huge AA and hispanic for Obama.

w still deregulating trying to finish off the rest of government.

Go dawgs! Sorry Andy.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 31, 2008 10:58 AM | Link to this

“Low young vote turn out. What’s up with the young folks but huge AA and hispanic for Obama.”

Voting for change…er I mean CASH.

Obama ‘08 - The legal “smash and grab”

By "The Corporal"

October 31, 2008 11:01 AM | Link to this

To Taxpayer

It’s called being an 1811 with the Feds. Look it up.

P.S. I’m glad you pay your taxes because the first three years were with IRS-CID. I had lot’s of fun messing with those who didn’t.

To the rest of you

NO WHINING !

By Zach

October 31, 2008 11:08 AM | Link to this

Let the return of the middle class begin!

By Taxpayer

October 31, 2008 11:10 AM | Link to this

Corporal,

A scam artist by any other name — that’s you to a tee and I don’t even need to look it up. By the way, in case I have not reminded you lately, you’re still an idiot and I still have lot’s of fun with that one. Get ready, Grunt Corporal. In a matter of days, you’ll be saying Commander-In-Chief Obama. Get used to it and NO WHINING! It’s so unbecoming.

By Alan

October 31, 2008 11:11 AM | Link to this

I am soooooo looking forward to seeing the deer in the headlight looks of the media when McCain/Palin takes this one with States to spare. Buy some stock in Kleenex because the crying will be massive!

By findog

October 31, 2008 11:18 AM | Link to this

Tsunami:

Obama breaks 315 with the biggest shockers being Indiana and Arizona; McCain loses every state where he has a home, but Georgia shows the love 51-49. Angry republicans blame McCain for tragedy, party turns their eyes to Palin but the moneyed interests throw her under the bus for a second try by self-funded Romney.

Down ticket senate reaches 60 but the man from Connecticut switches affiliation as a matter of conscience, biggest losers are Saxby as Martin wins outright and Stevens looking for his first job outside of government. McConnell in fit of fury blast’s McCain for his Feingold alliance as reason for his updated resume; wishes he had joined Lott on K-Street. Mississippi sends a democrat to senate and Pascagoula Ship Yard plans closure, as Lott on K-Street can’t plug unneeded vessels into the Navy’s budget anymore.

Pelosi reigns with biggest majority since 1975, even Alaska sends a democrat to house. Her grand kids history paper on over-reaching speakers leads her to moderate her agenda to be more inline with average hard-working American’s. Locally Marshall’s principled stand costs him his seat. Price and Gingerly pray to get African Command as the joint fighter gets heavily cut back when Georgia loses more clout for backing losers.

Buddy loses and a democrat returns to the PSC. All three ballot initiatives lose soundly, with only the tree farm handout geting more than 40%.

Oil stock crater, oil drops below $45 a barrel, and Alaska has to scale back its resident payments as they follow the decline of Iran, Russia, and Venezuela. Crazy Texan wind-farm / natural gas Barron becomes richest man in the world as he has pre-positioned air rights to central plains. Georgia offered portion of solar-power industry conversion for old auto plants in Hapeville and Doraville but Sonny declines because of unionization clause. Georgia becomes the first state in the south to lose population as people leave for states smart enough to invest in future based industries. Sonny’s final act is pork project to convert every farm pond to bass fish hatchery at a cost of $120 million. By 2018 Georgia is in negotiations with Alabama or Tennessee to be bought in first ever state merger driven by complete lack of advancements in education, transportation, and water resources required to support a modern state.

By Paul

October 31, 2008 11:23 AM | Link to this

Anyone care to bet that if Sen Stevens does not resign (who gives up power without a fight?) that Gov Palin will run for his seat in 2008? She’ll still be governor. She can run on the same platform that got her elected - running against the corrupt Republican establishment.

If he does resign, hmmm, maybe Gov Palin will appoint herself to finish out the term?

By AmVet

October 31, 2008 11:27 AM | Link to this

Interesting article about Sarah BarraClueless and the fate of the lunatic fringe.

http://newsmax.com/politics/palins_future/2008/10/30/145986.html

One of there things are going to happen:

1) The neo-cons fail to learn from yet another humiliating arse whipping and retrench for yet more of them, with her as their photogenic but vapid standard bearer leading the faithful losers this time - Mitt, Fred and Rudy

2) Gov. Palin disappears into the hinterlands to survive years of familial out of wedlock children, book burnings, socialism for the state’s residents and bridges to nowhere episodes and is in four years as irrelevant as her beloved, wished for Constitutional amendment banning gay marriage

3) The Republicans FINALLY realize that the neo-cons like her are the death knell of their party and are dragged kicking and screaming back from the edges of society.

The odds are heavily in favor of option 1, I would suppose. And terribly low for option 3.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 31, 2008 11:30 AM | Link to this

Zach, I see you’ve fallen for the “middle class victimhood” routine. Please do tell us all what’s wrong with the middle class that’s specific to them and what Obami the Great is going to do to correct it?

Obama ‘08 - Making people like Zach who can’t think for themselves believe they’re victims of evil rich people in exchange for a vote!

By ByteMe

October 31, 2008 11:33 AM | Link to this

Paul: A special election would have to be held to fill the seat for the rest of his term. Expect her to run for it, yes…

Don’t know if she’d win now that she’s had all this unfavorable scrutiny.

By RealityKing

October 31, 2008 11:34 AM | Link to this

BS…

History will show that Obama got here due only to the progressively corrupt media. Period!

By Soixante huitard

October 31, 2008 11:44 AM | Link to this

History will show that Obama got here due only to the progressively corrupt media. Period!

Yeah, maybe. But if so, then that media will at least have redeemed itself for its disgraceful capitulation in 2003 to the current Trotskyist regime’s intrigues abroad.

By RealityKing

October 31, 2008 11:52 AM | Link to this

A new Pew Research study shows about 70 percent of Americans feel the press favors Obama.

ABC, NBC and CBS ran a total of 69 stories on Palin. Two were deemed positive, 37 negative and 30 neutral. None of the evening news shows ran a positive story about Palin.

Twenty-one stories portrayed Palin as unintelligent and unqualified, 14 characterized her as John McCain’s attack dog and nine emphasized attacks on Palin by conservatives.

In polls as recently as this month, Rasmussen shows that the majority of Americans think that FOX is the least biased network out there. And that NBC was first, CNN was second, FOX was last in terms of bias. Obama is believed to be getting helped by 70 percent of the press corps.

The Center for Media and Public Affairs found that since the conventions, the coverage has been 36% positive for John McCain and 65% positive for Barack Obama.

But hey, we should still believe the very same media sources when they say it was all about the debates.., right(eyes rolling).

By Paul

October 31, 2008 11:54 AM | Link to this

ByteMe

I wonder if all that much has come out that the people of Alaska weren’t aware of before? Many voters may think electing her would maintain the power/money flow Sen Stevens provided.

AmVet

The Project for Excellence in Journalism, one of the projects of the Pew Research Center, just released another report on media coverage of the candidates. Your favorite, Fox News, had interesting results.

Negative coverage of Obama: 40 percent.

Negative coverage of McCain: 40 percent.

Positive coverage of Obama: 25 percent.

Positive coverage of McCain: 22 percent.

These results were markedly different from other sources (generally, more positive for Obama and negative for McCain), whereas MSNBC was off the charts in variance.

Summary paragraph: “These findings augment what was learned from a broader report on campaign media coverage released a week earlier entitled “Winning the Media Campaign: How the Press Reported the 2008 General Election.” That study found that in the media overall—a sample of 43 outlets studied in the six weeks following the conventions through the last debate—Barack Obama’s coverage was somewhat more positive than negative (36% vs. 29%), while John McCain’s, in contrast, was substantially negative (57% vs. 14% positive). The report concluded that this, in significant part, reflected and magnified the horse race and direction of the polls. “

Link: (The Color of News](http://www.journalism.org/node/13436)

And of course, they didn’t examine Nader. Probably felt there wasn’t enough coverage for a statistically significant finding.

By Paul

October 31, 2008 12:00 PM | Link to this

One more time for the link:

Link: The Color of News

So I guess the obvious question is, is significant variation in positive and negative treatment of the candidates evidence of bias? Whether industry-wide or on an outlet-by-outlet basis?

By SOUTHERN ATL

October 31, 2008 12:05 PM | Link to this

To RW-(the original)

October 31, 2008 8:49 AM |

Guess What!! When W was running in 2000 and 04, I saw stickers on cars and yard signs everywhere. I wonder why most people took the stickers off LAST YEAR!!! When I traveled from Atlanta to Florida last month (down I75) and I saw MCCAIN/PALIN stickers and signs that was fine.I am an OBAMA/MARTIN supporter but I do not have a yard sign nor a bumper sticker! What matters most is when I pressed the box on my voting screen, BARACK OBAMA and JOHN MARTIN names were two of the candidates that I voted for. Come to my neighborhood on election night when they announce BARRACK as the winner…I will have FIREWORKS!!! Sorry if you feel offended by my post…just ignore it…IT’S CALLED FREEDOM OF SPEECH!! PEACE

By ByteMe

October 31, 2008 12:18 PM | Link to this

Paul @ 11:54: pretty sure they didn’t know about her billing the state for her kids’ travel to functions they weren’t invited. And she’s been running on the whole “reforming the gravy train” schtick, so that might not help if what they want is more government welfare.

Hard to be sure.

Paul @ 12:00 (you’ve been busy!):

The problem with the sample is the timeframe, which is post-conventions through the last debate. During that time, we’ve had a feeding frenzy over the unknown Palin’s background, McCain’s lurching all over the place on the economic bailout, and then McCain’s over-the-top negative ads. Not a lot of room for a positive message to come out. I wonder what the numbers would have been like if the timeframe had been longer, like from June 1 (when McCain had already won and Obama was about to wrap up the nomination).

Interesting snippet that will annoy the wingnuts:

The tone of CNN’s coverage, meanwhile, lay somewhere in the middle of the cable spectrum, and was generally more negative than the press overall.

On the evening newscasts of the three traditional networks, in contrast, there is no such ideological split. Indeed, on the nightly newscasts of ABC, CBS and NBC, coverage tends to be more neutral and generally less negative than elsewhere.

They hate it when reality intrudes on their “liberal MSM” fantasy.

Is MSNBC more liberal overall? Likely, but I doubt anyone is claiming otherwise. Is FOX more “balanced”? It looks so in their NEWS stories (yay, them!), but we know that the time they spend on actual news stories is limited and certainly not balanced by “Hannity’s America” slime.

By GodHatesTrash

October 31, 2008 12:21 PM | Link to this

McCain’s campaign lives or dies on his VP pick - will she bring enough kkknuckledraggers out to offset the defections who don’t want to be part of the GOP lynchmob?

I THINK SHE WILL. I hope, of course, that I am wrong.

By Soixante huitard

October 31, 2008 12:30 PM | Link to this

I’m planning to put up my Obama yard sign on the day of his victory. That oughta send a real signal.

By Logical Dude

October 31, 2008 1:56 PM | Link to this

Based on current polling, the numbers are:

Obama 364

McCain 174

I don’t think it will really be that wide of a margin, but these are what the current polls are showing, so I’ll go with the polls today.

By TN Gelding

October 31, 2008 2:11 PM | Link to this

AJC/DNC Management

October 31, 2008 8:44 AM

Excellent choice!

Deal with it.

By CHIP S

October 31, 2008 8:18 PM | Link to this

H E R E I S

T H E E L E C T O R A L

V O T E T O T A L 2 0 0 8…

4 1 1 T O 1 2 7

O B A M A T O M C C A I N…

By CHIP S

October 31, 2008 8:43 PM | Link to this

Electoral Vote Totals…

411 to 127

Obama over McCain…

Also, I knew that the debates would be the key to this thing and I agree that they were.

Hopefully, after my winning electoral vote prediction Jay Bookman will help me get a column at the AJC.

Here’s an example of my work…

…28 Years of Republican Economics…

Even Alan Greenspan has said that, in terms of the economy, Bill Clinton was a Republican, because he signed the free trade deals that the Republicans had sought forever and which were passed by almost all Republicans in congress.

If you consider Clinton a Republican economically, then we’ve had the last 28 straight years of Republican economic policies, Bush, Bush Clinton, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Reagan.

28 years of lessening corporate regulation, cutting social programs, cutting spending on public works, lowering taxes on the top 1% allowing more and more free trade and illegal immigration.

Look where we are now.

If we become more socially conscious and invest in ourselves more, then we will better avoid the pure socialism we are forced to resort to now because our present plan has put us in the poor house.

By TN Gelding

October 31, 2008 9:01 PM | Link to this

Paul

October 31, 2008 11:23 AM

I watched Stevens debate his Dem. opponent on C-SPAN today.

He’s out of there one way or the other.

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