Jay Bookman

By AJC/DNC Management

October 30, 2008 7:17 PM | Link to this

This is the same nation that defeated both Nazi Germany and Imperialist Japan at the same time.

And then defeated the Soviet Union.

And the libs are skeered of Iran?

Freaks.

By AJC/DNC Management

October 30, 2008 7:20 PM | Link to this

US election: If Iraqis could vote it would be for McCain-Breitbart

Newly freed people know the score.

And who gave them that freedom.

And who would have kowardly left them to the terrorists.

American strength, the libbies don’t beeweive in it.

By T

October 30, 2008 7:30 PM | Link to this

Jay, you are right on sir.

Our country is owned half by the Chinese. Our military is strained. Our dollar is looked at like pesos.

Are we really a world power? We market and produce debt. Well, the bill collector is here. For right now, they are being polite.

By TW

October 30, 2008 7:34 PM | Link to this

But Jay, you don’t look at the country through the same lens as a neocon. To the neocon, the last eight years has pushed us nicely toward an elimination of the middle class, toward a country that has only the very wealthy and those that serve them, be it military, medical, or to provide the simple manicure. For the brains of the rightwing, or maybe I should say the latest driver of the GOP mobile, pushing the envelope beyond our means brings about negative consequences only to those who really don’t matter much.

By Bud Wiser

October 30, 2008 7:52 PM | Link to this

Considering Bill Clinton is the one who pushed Franklin Raines buttons to get this whole economic house of cards built, a house that is falling hard in on itself, I am not surprised that the mainstream media has not touched this issue.

Throwing good money at bad people is a habit of politicians, especially Democrats. Unfortunately for the rest of us, the CEO’s and power people in the business saw a way to make themselves huge bucks through sub prime and mortgage bundling, and the rest, as they say, is history.

The real lesson to be learned is the one that the left needs most, and it is that you cannot throw money at the shiftless, lazy, uneducated masses with no hope, or desire, for self improvement, and expect any change.

As Einstein said,“We can’t solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them.” For the answer to that, I give you one word - welfare.

He also said,“Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”

Different perspective - same answer. Throwing away billions unchecked and uncontrolled is dangerous and stupid. For that, I give you Democrats.

Obama/Biden ‘08 - making it easy to be dangerous and stupid

By "The Corporal"

October 30, 2008 7:53 PM | Link to this

“When civilized man can no longer stand the horror of war and refuses to fight, then he will surely be killed or enslaved by the uncivilized who can.”

No one else in the world has the will or capability of fighting evil as we can.

Once we quit trying, the world will become a much more dangerous place and the cost of fighting that evil will grow much higher.

Pay me now or pay me later.

By Paul

October 30, 2008 7:57 PM | Link to this

And Sen Obama speaks of increasing the Defense budget and interjecting our military in nearly all situations where American national interests are not at stake but we don’t like what’s happening.

Sigh….

Jay, you know what Mark Twain said about common sense… problem is, it isn’t common.

Pleasant evening, all -

By Road Scholar

October 30, 2008 8:10 PM | Link to this

Is there a full moon tonight? Except for TW, the wolves are out! And Paul, you are in the darkness.

AJC: You have never been out of Atlanta to see Mom and pop stores in downtown small towns driven out of business by the Walmarts of the world. I know you will argue the bigger/best/ more buying power should survive, but what about their lives and families? What about the decay of downtown small towns since most Walmarts open on bypasses?

By NRB

October 30, 2008 8:16 PM | Link to this

Democrats like Jay want the military back home so that they can kill our own citizens, like his boy Bill Clinton did in Waco Texas.

Except this time they’re out for the blood of their all time favorite bogymen: successful people.

By TN Gelding

October 30, 2008 8:19 PM | Link to this

* AJC/DNC Management*

October 30, 2008 7:17 PM

Yeah, all by itself,

Good grief!

By AJC/DNC Management

October 30, 2008 8:19 PM | Link to this

Road Kill: Whatever are you talking about, stooge?

When did I say anything about WalMart?

j/k, apparently the angry blog gods have gone on an insane comment removal bender, I saved it, I know it violated no rules.

Rage is unpredictable, to say the least.

By GodHatesTrash

October 30, 2008 8:27 PM | Link to this

Winslow back bragging on his Nam experience?

I thought we finished second in that contest.

By TN Gelding

October 30, 2008 8:28 PM | Link to this

The torch was passed to China at the start of the Olympics.

We are a nation in decline. Economically, morally and spiritually.

After hanging out here I’m proud to be one of the “unreal” Americans.

Hopefully Obama can get us back on the right track.

By NRB

October 30, 2008 8:36 PM | Link to this

I really hope Obama does win.

That way I get to witness disappointment set in when these liberals come to the realization that they were duped.

Then I can watch horror set in when the liberals realize that government cannot improve their lives, that they just might have to do it for themselves. Yes you can!

By TN Gelding

October 30, 2008 8:36 PM | Link to this

AJC/DNC Management

October 30, 2008 7:20 PM

Are you referring to the terrorists Bush lured into the country by using U.S. troops as bait?

Otherwise they would have been home making babies.

By AJC/DNC Management

October 30, 2008 8:39 PM | Link to this

AJC: You have never been out of Atlanta to see Mom and pop stores in downtown small towns driven out of business by the Walmarts of the world. I know you will argue the bigger/best/ more buying power should survive, but what about their lives and families? What about the decay of downtown small towns since most Walmarts open on bypasses?

It’s kind of silly arguing this when my original comment was jerked for reasons unknown but being who I am, I cannot let a challenge lie.

Road Kill: Are you kidding me? Where ever you see a WalMart it is anchoring a bunch of mom and pop stores in all directions.

I’ve seen whole shopping centers sprout up because of WalMart.

Is this a mental thing with you liberals?

(The comment rejected for unknown reasons will be reposted in it’s entirety at Wooten’s blog at 8:03 a.m. tomorrow, I will be first in line, trust me. Don’t miss it.)

By T

October 30, 2008 8:40 PM | Link to this

NRB

I felt that way last election. Kind of used to it.

By TN Gelding

October 30, 2008 8:43 PM | Link to this

NRB

October 30, 2008 8:36 PM

We want him to clean up the mess in Washington and improve our image in the world.

If we are duped I don’t think we’ll be stupid enough to reelect him.

By TN Gelding

October 30, 2008 8:47 PM | Link to this

“The Corporal”

October 30, 2008 7:53 PM

If we’d stop stirring up so much trouble in the world it would be a safer place.

The conservatives don’t want to pay now or later.

By NRB

October 30, 2008 8:51 PM | Link to this

If you want “the mess” cleaned up then vote Libertarian, because the only way to clean the mess is to clean house and shrink government down to 10% of it’s current size.

The only thing Oblahma is gonna do is grow the size of government, increase taxes, and increase the mess.

Improve our image in the world? The last thing we need t o do is give a crap about what anyone else in the world thinks of us.

We’re a sovereign nation and we need to “look out for #1”. Not bend over backwards to the euro-weenies.

By Matt

October 30, 2008 8:59 PM | Link to this

Corporal 7:57,

Preach on. You hit the nail on the head.

By Matt

October 30, 2008 9:00 PM | Link to this

Corporal 7:53,

Preach on. You hit the nail on the head.

By Midori

October 30, 2008 9:01 PM | Link to this

the past 8 years should serve future generations as an example of why people like Andy, Corporal, Bud and NRB should all be kept locked away in a political dungeon. Or banished to the political wildnerness. I don’t care which.

These people have nothing to contribute but hate, fear and illogical ideas and ideals.

They are morally and intellectually bankrupt.

Their idea of winning a argument is based on who can loudly and angrily shout their opponent down.

Bush needed people like them so he unlocked their padded cells and let them run amok the past 8 years. Without adult supervison, I might add.

Without foot soldiers of their ilk, filled with animosity and vapidness, there would never have been a Bush presidency.

Ok, guys — you’ve served your master. On cue you were right there to cheer on every blunder, every act of incompetency, every bald faced, disingenuous lie he told to the American people. You just couldn’t get enough of the failure. America’s failures. Yes, they were America’s failures. All orchestrated by your fearless, fact and language challenged flight suit wearing hero.

All hat and no cattle.

It was like an aphrodisiac to you.

However, the time has come to lock their prehistorical as-ses back up. For no other reason than they might hurt themselves in their zeal to disrupt and cripple humanity, and what’s left of this country .
Retreat to the darkness, and take your vile and disgusting hate with you.

And this time, somebody add more padlocks to their cells.

PLEASE

By Peter

October 30, 2008 9:03 PM | Link to this

Gosh………Hard to argue with a guy not using his Brain…….

“By AJC/DNC Management

October 30, 2008 7:17 PM | Link to this

This is the same nation that defeated both Nazi Germany and Imperialist Japan at the same time.

And then defeated the Soviet Union.

And the libs are skeered of Iran?

Freaks.”

Funny I guess the Economy, the WAR, a Free Bin Laden, and all the wonderful Bailouts lead by Bush, makes us all think it is time to invade another country…….Oh wait a minute that would take soldiers we don’t have !

Duhhhhhhhhhhh !!!!!!!

By Matt

October 30, 2008 9:05 PM | Link to this

Vote McCain and shrink gov’t and CORRUPTION> something both he and Palin preach. Get rid of the loosers. Get the real thinkers in.

By TW

October 30, 2008 9:06 PM | Link to this

Gov. Sarah Palin is not qualified to be vice president for 59 percent of voters

Horrible, horrible, pick - quite possibly the worst ever. And I’m supposed to trust McSame’s judgement?

See, the genius of Karl Rove was in his ability to hide the party of white trash behind an acceptable front - a little trick somebody neglected to show McSame. As a result, the lines for the Palin rally’s look like try-outs for the Jerry Springer Show.

No thanks.

By The Black Knight

October 30, 2008 9:12 PM | Link to this

Matt, The Corporal, and Andy all blather on with their empty threats — no arms and no legs and nothing left worth mentioning. Their tongues are all they have left and so they blather on as though they could reach out and bite their way out of their pathetic existences. Thank you Mel. Your comedy lives on.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 30, 2008 9:15 PM | Link to this

Jay, here’s a free education for you. Please pay attention.

The nations of Europe we consider allies are much further along the socialist trail than we are. They’re, for the most part, controlled by the same spineless liberals who are undermining our war effort. They don’t have the courage or the will to defend themselves and would not come to our aid unless it was all or nothing. So, when we get attacked repeatedly by radical muslims, what should we do? Bury our heads in the sand and act like they don’t really want us all dead? The French can’t even handle a bunch of kids rioting in the streets and you want them to come to our aid against a real army? Not going to happen. If you want to wait until they grow a backbone before we collectively do something, good luck with that. Not going to happen.

The sad part of all of this is the same mentality of surrender monkey is gaining power in this nation. The pathetic liberals here were supportive of our effort for about 6 months before they turned on our troops. Openly and unappologetically.

These maggots threatened us and carried out those threats on at least 6 occasions killing close to 4,000 of our people, and you invertebrates never garnered the will to stop them. What would it take to get you off your Oprah watching couch to defend the freedom we all enjoy? Is there anything that means that much to you?

By AJC/DNC Management

October 30, 2008 9:18 PM | Link to this

You libs at the Oblahma campaign are terrified of Palin, aren’t you?

Out of the blue they babble about her.

She’s great, ain’t she?

Surprise, surprise pinkkkos.

By T

October 30, 2008 9:18 PM | Link to this

Peter

Ahhhhh. Sanity. Nice to hear.

By Fundad

October 30, 2008 9:20 PM | Link to this

Yo Midori! What failures? What Lies? I would so much like for you to articulate those for us “unwashed” knuckle draggers. Let me remind you that regime change in Iraq was the official policy of the Clinton administration when Bush took office. What Lies? Hindsight is always 20-20 and you “progressives” love to exagerate a story for you own grandstanding/whining purposes. Enlighten us a*****!

By G

October 30, 2008 9:21 PM | Link to this

Some things to know about the Neocons:

They lie, lie and lie and do it all the time, it’s what’s called the “Noble Lie”….you need to lie to the masses for their own good.

If no external threats exist, they’ll create them in order to maintain social cohesion against the always present “foreign enemies”.

They believe that war is natural and that peace is unnatural, so of course, they’re a bunch of chickenhawks, always ready to go to war, but they will never sacrifice themselves in that effort, that’s for the dumb masses to do.

Obama/Biden ‘08

By Enlightening

October 30, 2008 9:26 PM | Link to this

Fundad wouldn’t know enlightenment even if it were doled out in candelas.

By Soixante huitard

October 30, 2008 9:27 PM | Link to this

Newsflash: The Economist Backs ‘The Socialist’

By AJC/DNC Management

October 30, 2008 9:30 PM | Link to this

Comment 25: Sarah P. writing to the Hill Buzz website responding to their story of how really well McCain is doing with angry Democrats, and the media is not covering. “Okay, I want to clear my conscience a little. Hopefully you could make a blog post to help some fellow Clinton supporters out. I worked for the campaign—” Obama, “—and I can’t wait for this week to be over. I was doing it for a job. I was not a fan of any candidate, but over time I grew to love Hillary. The internal campaign idea, Obama campaign, is to twist, distort, humiliate, and finally dispirit you. We pay people and organize people to go on all the online sites and play the part of a Clinton or McCain supporter who just switched our support for Obama. We do this to stifle your motivation, to destroy your confidence. We did this the whole primary, and it worked. Sprinkle in mass vote confusion becomes bewildering, most people lose patience, they just give up on their support of a candidate and decide just to block out TV, news, websites, et cetera.

By Patricia Shannon

October 30, 2008 9:32 PM | Link to this

Those poor Europeans. Their life expectancy is longer than ours, and their infant mortality rate about half as much. How they must envy us. And being a mathematician, I am using rate correctly - the percentage of babies who die is much greater in the U.S. than many other countries.

By TW

October 30, 2008 9:37 PM | Link to this

C’mon, Shannon@9:32 - part of the fun of being white trash is not knowing stuff like that.

Being that they’re gonna lose the White House, it’s only fair to let them keep their ignorance - don’t want to leave ‘em with nuthin’ :-)

By Mr Snarky

October 30, 2008 9:43 PM | Link to this

The neocons should go on and form a separate party, they can call it the Nationalist party, where they worship the motherland and spread their exceptionalist doctrine (how America has the one true truth of corporate dominated capitalism where the government’s sole purpose is to feed the military industrial complex) to all the world, by any means necessary. I expect some of the posters here would sign right up. Of course they’re not socialist, so it would be a new thing, different from other previous, though similar parties that existed in other parts of the world.

By Soixante huitard

October 30, 2008 9:44 PM | Link to this

Ah said: The Economist is backing “The Socialitst”

By Enlightening

October 30, 2008 9:46 PM | Link to this

Patricia,

I know you mean well but just trying to communicate with those diehards of the Republican faith on the most basic of levels such as “hunger <> eat”, and “tired <> sleep” is hard enough. If you go and introduce mathematics on a level more complex than counting, you’ll just hurt their brains and then they’ll start banging them against the walls to stop the pain again and we’ll be right back to square one with the round peg.

By "The Corporal"

October 30, 2008 9:48 PM | Link to this

To Midori

You’re a sick puppy.

By TN Gelding

October 30, 2008 9:48 PM | Link to this

NRB

October 30, 2008 8:51 PM

Those euro-weenies have been eating our lunch for two years.

I agree about voting Libertarian. But with the major parties setting the rules, it’s hard for them to make much headway.

Obama is going to put us first by investing here instead of Iraq. With a soon to be $11 trllion debt and running $500 billion deficits, taxes have to go up and spending has to be reduced as well. I think you’ll see him do that.

Governments (state and local as well) have certainly gotten too big, but Reagan and Bush were main contributors to that along with Democrats in Congress.

Let’s give him a chance.

By Patricia Shannon

October 30, 2008 9:52 PM | Link to this

Pseudo-Patriots copyright Patricia M. Shannon 1996

They say that they are patriots because they love to wave the flag, but they throw their trash along the road, and pour used oil down the drain. They say that they are patriots because the pledge they love to say, but they never bother to turn out the lights when they go home for the day.

How can we be patriots and not do all we can to protect the earth upon which all our lives depend? How can we be patriots and not help our fellow men? What else is a country, but its people and its land?

They say that they are patriots because, they will always choose to vote to build more prisons, while cutting funding for our schools. They say that they are patriots, Star Spangled Banner they do sing, but to their big gas-guzzlers they selfishly do cling.

How can we be patriots and not do all we can to prevent the earth from turning into barren sands? How can we be patriots and not lend a helping hand? What else is a country, but its people and its land?

They say that they are patriots, because it fills them with such glee to send our young folks overseas to be killed by enemies. They say that they are patriots, but they would never think to tutor some poor kids to help them stay out of the clink.

A country’s not a piece of cloth, or words we say by rote; a country’s not a song we sing before we watch a sport. And love’s not just a feeling, it’s something that we do, every day, in every way, in everything we choose.

By NRB

October 30, 2008 9:56 PM | Link to this

Since when do Democrats care about infant mortality? You’re the ones that are so gung ho for the right to stick babies in blenders. Gimme a break.

Go move to Europe if it’s so much better. I prefer freedom.

By CHIP S

October 30, 2008 9:58 PM | Link to this

People like SAXBY CHAMBLISS…

…and Limbaugh and Hannity are so utterly childish and selfish that they can’t even comprehend the concept of capitalism and cooperation cohabitating.

They are adult babies and they are dangerous.

By TN Gelding

October 30, 2008 9:59 PM | Link to this

Midori

October 30, 2008 9:01 PM

And they’re worried about Obama?

But by golly, they’re “real” Americans.

By Mr Snarky

October 30, 2008 10:01 PM | Link to this

NRB Yeah…folks in Europe are all in chains. Of course you’d have to have left your home county to know better.

By Patricia Shannon

October 30, 2008 10:02 PM | Link to this

Conservatives don’t care about babies. It’s ok with them is babies and pregnant women are killed in war. It’s ok with them if babies go hungry. They just want people to be punished for having sex.

By AmVet

October 30, 2008 10:03 PM | Link to this

What is the ultimate purpose of government, the reason government was created in the first place?

According to Article 1, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution, it is to provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States.

The welfare of its citizens.

Not to oppress them and kill them and make them pay taxes for the privilege of being oppressed and killed.

Many are, but many more don’t seem to be faring very well anymore, do they?

By CHIP S

October 30, 2008 10:07 PM | Link to this

In the dictionary under ‘fatcat’ there is a picture of Saxby Chambliss.

By Mr Snarky

October 30, 2008 10:07 PM | Link to this

Cons love babies ‘til they’re born. Then you’re on your own…

By JR

October 30, 2008 10:07 PM | Link to this

Patricia Shannon, Thank you, That was a beautiful description of the Dimwitcrat party!

By NRB

October 30, 2008 10:14 PM | Link to this

Parents should teach their kids personal responsibility and how to make their way in this country without being a burden on anyone else.

As a country, we are being dragged down by people who are unable to take care of themselves and demand that government provide everything under the sun for them.

The government of course, is funded by productive people.

The day is rapidly approaching when the unproductive will outnumber the productive and we reach our breaking point.

Look out.

By TN Gelding

October 30, 2008 10:16 PM | Link to this

RB from Gwinnett

October 30, 2008 9:15 PM

What war?

Congress declared war and I missed it?

Mr. Duhbya is the one that turned on the troops, cynically using them as bait and sacrificing them to the war gods.

Terrorism was, and is, a law enforcement problem. There is a small, covert role for the military to play.

The airline personnel let the evil-doers of 9/11 board even tho some of them had been flagged. Our response? Nationalize the baggage handlers that did nothing wrong and searching grandmothers.

By Mr Snarky

October 30, 2008 10:19 PM | Link to this

And the way the conservatives think, if you’re a woman, your job is to produce babies…there’s nothing in the Bill of Rights about reproduction, so the rights of a two cell fetus trump your wishes to control your body…even if your “health” is threatened. “Health” isn’t really important anyway…not as important as say ideology.

By Michael

October 30, 2008 10:19 PM | Link to this

A hundred years from now, each day Chinese schoolchildren will march outside at the beginning of the day to gather around a statue and sing a song of thanks and praise. It will be hard to understand them, even if you speak Chinese, because they’ll be wearing gas masks to protect them from the massive coal pollution, but that’s another story.

These darling children, heads full of dreams about the future, will sing about how the statue depicts the great Father of Modern China, the One-World Power. They will bow before the statue of modern China and, with their hands over their hearts and tears in their wide, innocent eyes, they will look up in awe and gratitude at the face of George W. Bush.

Meanwhile the country that once was the United States will have been partitioned into five zones: New Canada (carved out of portions of the midwest and northeast), loosely allied with the European Union; the Second Republic of Gilead in the southeast, a backward, roughly agrarian land characterized mostly by the vast savanna that will be left after all the trees die out from blight and global warming; New Russia in the pacific northwest; and greater California, controlled by the Chinese, and carved out of most of the region spanning from Kansas present-day California to Mexico. New Russia and greater California will exist as “client states” of their “patrons.”

The partition will come not because China or Russia invades us; it will come as a result of a succession of internal struggles between increasingly violent factions of neocons. The neocons have already shown what lengths they will go to in order to gain power, and they’ve already shown how the credo by which they live leads to ever more self-destructive fracturing. They have also, alas, shown how good they are at brainwashing and securing the assent of a public that loves nothing so much as it loves stupidity.

By Midori

October 30, 2008 10:23 PM | Link to this

Michael,

beautiful.

applause

By Mr Snarky

October 30, 2008 10:31 PM | Link to this

Parents should teach their kids personal responsibility and how to make their way in this country without being a burden on anyone else. Duh. Nobody wants their kids to be a burden. But not everybody has two parents and a community that encourages being productive. Without that, the odds are against you and since human nature is to take the easy way out, we end up treating a significant portion of our population as trash to be warehoused in prisons. And they end up being a burden anyway. So by underfunding social programs, we end up breaking the bank on prisons in what is a punitive, destructive and expensive cycel. Pay now or pay later.

By AmVet

October 30, 2008 10:35 PM | Link to this

To Andy’s point earlier, yes we did outspend the reds, in a twisted twist on MAD - Mutually Assured Destruction of our Economies (MADE).

70% of the Iraqi people want “multinational” forces to withdraw. Yet 40% want us to play a bigger role in rebuilding Iraq.

Great. Another bailout.

Good news for KBR, Haliburton and Blackwater.

But not good for the American taxpayer.

Last year, General Casey admitted that the US Army was stretched so thin they could not adequately defend another threat.

We don’t even use GIs to guard State Department personnel or interrogate prisoners anymore!

This is a travesty.

So the Bush solution?

MORE privatization.

Bush has thrown $6 billion - with a B -in our money to private security firms alone, operating in Iraq.

And how do they pay us back?

CAYMAN ISLANDS - Kellogg Brown & Root, the nation’s top Iraq war contractor and until last year a subsidiary of Halliburton Corp., has avoided paying hundreds of millions of dollars in federal Medicare and Social Security taxes by hiring workers through shell companies based in this tropical tax haven.

MR. OBAMA OR MR. McCAIN - STOP THE WAR.

THE ONE OUR CONGRESS NEVER DECLARED.

By Obama Sodomite

October 30, 2008 10:41 PM | Link to this

Actually, I have learned quite a bit.

I have learned that both BARACK OBAMA and NIKOLAI LENIN are great “Community Organizers” who agree on pretty much everything economically and politically.

Also, I have learned that both BARACK OBAMA and MONICA LEWINSKY could both make a man’s eyes roll back into his head with only their tongues and that they can each move a golf ball through a garden hose.

Finally, I have learned that a hideous skank like MICHELLE OBAMA could truly serve her community through curing sex offenders by undressing in front of them.

OBAMA BInlaDEN ‘08 !!

By RB from Gwinnett

October 30, 2008 10:43 PM | Link to this

TN, you are without a doubt the most shallow thinker who posts on this blog. And a dangerous one at that.

Congress authorized the use of this nations military. You can call it something fluffy if you want to and if it makes you feel better. That won’t change the reality of what all rational people know to be the facts.

You just go on bashing the people who provide the safety from which you throw rocks at them. Personally, I’d prefer you just packed your crap up and checked your passport at the border and get the hell out.

By Alan

October 30, 2008 10:51 PM | Link to this

Jay, when half our nations politicians and 95% of the media not only refuse to support but actively undermine our military missions…..yeah those efforts are not going to be overly successful. If I were the enemy and saw our media and polititians waiving the white flag constantly, it would inspire me to fight harder too. On the other hand, if we were united as a nation in our military missions and our enemies saw it, the wars would be over and our troops would have been home from Iraq and Afghanistan long by now.

By jeff

October 30, 2008 11:00 PM | Link to this

Your a loser that hides behind the freedom that brave men died to give you. You write trash about people who know the truth, and that truth is, WE ARE WINNING!! It has not been easy, and it won’t be fast. But you would rather support a candidate that appears to be more like Fidel Castro than a democrat.
I hope to meet you face to face one day. I don’t think yuou will like that meeting very much. Your a coward!

By Mr Snarky

October 30, 2008 11:04 PM | Link to this

Alan, bush hyped the Iraq war and deceived a good portion of the country with his mushroom cloud rhetoric. He also said Iraq would be able to rebuild itself with oil revenue. Once it was revealed that we had been duped, the rationale for our incredibly expensive and bloody wars changed, so is it any wonder the Iraq war lost support? The insurgents don’t care if we’re unified as a country…they just want us out. Our little all volunteer army was enough to defeat Saddam, but couldn’t seal the deal, and the insurgents knew that. So don’t blame the media and the democrats, they went along with bush’s deception to their great regret.

By David

October 30, 2008 11:06 PM | Link to this

Can’t wait to watch the funeral watch next Tuesday night on CNN and MSNBC.

We’ll see who hasn’t learned anything about America next Tuesday

By Frederick Douglass

October 30, 2008 11:06 PM | Link to this

Who wants to bet that if Obama loses, in six months he won’t be a Marxist, or a socialist, or a closeted Muslim or none of the supposed vile things he is today.So much of the lies and rhetoric being spun now is for McCain’s benefit on election day. The sad thing about it is, we’re the big losers with McCain, the damage wrought by Bush and McCain will be felt for a century or longer, count on it.

By Dusty

October 30, 2008 11:11 PM | Link to this

Well, Jay has given us the anti-war mantra for curling up insensible while the world goes to pot. Yes, sir, he says,We are not the world’s policemen.

Yes, and we are not a bump on a log to sit and wait for the world to admire us. But yes, according to Jay, we should sit back in peace and tranquility while the rest of the world goes to hell in a handbasket. AND enemies would never venture to bother us. NO indeed. We would TALK to them.

I am glad Jay is not one for protecting our country. He would wait for the enemy to knock on his door. THEN he might get all hot and bothered. But there would be NO “policemen” to save him because he never believed such “policemen” were needed.

DON’T WALK YET. LET’S TALK!

The most famous person to say something like that was Neville Chamberlain. Hitler said “Sure” and ran right over Europe. Then the US “Policemen” had to rescue them.

Tha’s OK, Jay. We know certain Democrats learn nothing from experience. That is why they wish to be led by someone with NO experience and no expertise.

By getalife

October 30, 2008 11:18 PM | Link to this

Landrieu +15.

Race dead even for President here and Jindal starts fundraising for 12.

By AmVet

October 30, 2008 11:23 PM | Link to this

This election is, to some degree, a question of whether the Bush Doctrine should go forward or not.

Essentially it is a foreign policy based on preemptive strikes against potential enemies and promoting democratic regime change.

The National Security Strategy of the United States, published on September 20, 2002 is often cited as the definitive statement of the doctrine.

It is an enduring American principle that this duty obligates the government to anticipate and counter threats, using all elements of national power, before the threats can do grave damage. The greater the threat, the greater is the risk of inaction – and the more compelling the case for taking anticipatory action to defend ourselves, even if uncertainty remains as to the time and place of the enemy’s attack. There are few greater threats than a terrorist attack with WMD. To forestall or prevent such hostile acts by our adversaries, the United States will, if necessary, act preemptively in exercising our inherent right of self-defense.

Andy believes we are scared of Iran.

I believe Americans are scared of another imperious, interventionist and deadly military blunder as the next step in this grand failed experiment.

By TN Gelding

October 30, 2008 11:57 PM | Link to this

By TN Gelding

October 30, 2008 10:16 PM | Link to this

RB from Gwinnett

October 30, 2008 9:15 PM

Make that baggage screeners.

By TN Gelding

October 31, 2008 12:07 AM | Link to this

Fundad

October 30, 2008 9:20 PM

Yes, Clinton called for regime change.

BUT NOT USING U.S. TROOPS.

By Kia

October 31, 2008 12:15 AM | Link to this

NeoConservatives are frightening. It’s scary that some people have that frame of thought and actually think theyare serving the will of God by being bigots.

By Chris Salzmann

October 31, 2008 12:18 AM | Link to this

Management said: You libs at the Oblahma campaign are terrified of Palin, aren’t you?

Chris: ROFLMAO. A little delusional, aren’t you? I was really pleased when McCain picked Palin. My reactions, in order, were: WTF; Who the hell is she?; you’ve gotta be kidding; Thank you John McCain; Hello President Barack Obama!!!

And Palin has continued to be a gift that keeps giving (like Joe Biden on mega steroids). LOL, In fact, I’m so terrified of Palin that my next great wish is that she run in 2012. She’ll get the redneck/religious fanatic vote, but that will make her an interesting sideshow to the catastrophic decline of the Republican Party. You need moderates and independents to win an election in this country and that’s a voting block that Sarah Palin will never attract.

McCain would make an interesting study on how some men judge women. His picks regarding the women in his life: His first wife was a former model/beauty queen, his second wife was a former cheerleader/rodeo queen, and his VP pick was a former beauty queen. McCain certainly has an interesting (and sadly outdated) view on women.

Here’s looking forward to Nov. 4th.

By TN Gelding

October 31, 2008 12:20 AM | Link to this

“The Corporal”

October 30, 2008 9:48 PM

How much is the life of one of those Iraqis that deserve to live in freedom worth to DoD when they become collateral damage?

A barrel of oil? An MRE? A piece of candy?

By TN Gelding

October 31, 2008 12:25 AM | Link to this

NRB

October 30, 2008 9:56 PM

If you prefer freedom, you’d better be looking for greener pastures yourself.

We’re rapidly becoming a police state.

By TN Gelding

October 31, 2008 12:42 AM | Link to this

Michael

October 30, 2008 10:19 PM

Do you think Bush will have the gall to go to China to receive his multimillion dollar reward?

By TN Gelding

October 31, 2008 12:58 AM | Link to this

RB from Gwinnett

October 30, 2008 10:43 PM

My thinking might be shallow and simple, but at least I’m not a dittohead.

You warmongers are just making things worse. It’s the root causes that need to be addresed.

I might have reacted the same way Bush did if I had gotten caught with my pants down on 9/11, but I certainly hope not.

Those of us that questioned the war in Iraq were chastised because we weren’t getting Bush’s intelligence briefings. Turns out we knew better just by reading the newspapers.

Put simply and shallowly, the chickens came home to roost.

Like Dr. Phil says, “How’s it working for you?”

I’m quite comfortable in my little cocoon, thank you.

By Peter

October 31, 2008 1:16 AM | Link to this

Funny reading tonight….McCain may lose Arizona…..that state looks to be in PLAY………

On a Sadder Note…BUSH Is pushing to deregulate all that is SAFE for AMERICAN CHILDREN…….

A Last Push To Deregulate White House to Ease Many Rules

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The White House is working to enact a wide array of federal regulations, many of which would weaken government rules aimed at protecting consumers and the environment, before President Bush leaves office in January.

The new rules would be among the most controversial deregulatory steps of the Bush era and could be difficult for his successor to undo. Some would ease or lift constraints on private industry, including power plants, mines and farms.

Those and other regulations would help clear obstacles to some commercial ocean-fishing activities, ease controls on emissions of pollutants that contribute to global warming, relax drinking-water standards and lift a key restriction on mountaintop coal mining.

Once such rules take effect, they typically can be undone only through a laborious new regulatory proceeding, including lengthy periods of public comment, drafting and mandated reanalysis.

“They want these rules to continue to have an impact long after they leave office,” said Matthew Madia, a regulatory expert at OMB Watch, a nonprofit group critical of what it calls the Bush administration’s penchant for deregulating in areas where industry wants more freedom. He called the coming deluge “a last-minute assault on the public … happening on multiple fronts.”

More BAD REPUBLICAN TACTIC’S….Don’t you want your kids to have clean water ?

I voted Obama….Save America Please !

By TN Gelding

October 31, 2008 1:17 AM | Link to this

jeff

October 30, 2008 11:00 PM

I don’t know who you were referring to as a coward.

But the troops aren’t fighting for our freedom. The mission in Iraq was coyly named Operation Iraqi Freedom, but apparently that wasn’t precise enough.

We’re winning what, where? In war there are no winners. One side just loses less than the other. And sometimes, like in Korea, they have the sense to stop the insanity.

The best we can hope for is stalemate in a war against terrorism. Even Rummy questioned if he wasn’t creating more terrorists than he was killing or capturing.

In my humble (shallow) opinion, it takes more courage to refuse to participate in the carnage than to blindly put on the uniform and die for a clueless president.

By TN Gelding

October 31, 2008 1:20 AM | Link to this

Frederick Douglass

October 30, 2008 11:06 PM

Yeah, it’s funny how some conservatives think so highly of Hillary now.

By Peter

October 31, 2008 1:30 AM | Link to this

Funny reading tonight….McCain may lose Arizona…..that state looks to be in PLAY………

On a Sadder Note…BUSH Is pushing to deregulate all that is SAFE for AMERICAN CHILDREN…….

A Last Push To Deregulate White House to Ease Many Rules

The White House is working to enact a wide array of federal regulations, many of which would weaken government rules aimed at protecting consumers and the environment, before President Bush leaves office in January.

The new rules would be among the most controversial deregulatory steps of the Bush era and could be difficult for his successor to undo. Some would ease or lift constraints on private industry, including power plants, mines and farms.

Those and other regulations would help clear obstacles to some commercial ocean-fishing activities, ease controls on emissions of pollutants that contribute to global warming, relax drinking-water standards and lift a key restriction on mountaintop coal mining.

Once such rules take effect, they typically can be undone only through a laborious new regulatory proceeding, including lengthy periods of public comment, drafting and mandated reanalysis.

“They want these rules to continue to have an impact long after they leave office,” said Matthew Madia, a regulatory expert at OMB Watch, a nonprofit group critical of what it calls the Bush administration’s penchant for deregulating in areas where industry wants more freedom. He called the coming deluge “a last-minute assault on the public … happening on multiple fronts.”

More BAD REPUBLICAN TACTIC’S….Don’t you want your kids to have clean water ?

I voted Obama….Save America Please !

By AJC/DNC Management

October 31, 2008 5:28 AM | Link to this

By Chris Salzmann October 31, 2008 12:18 AM |Management said: You libs at the Oblahma campaign are terrified of Palin, aren’t you? Chris: ROFLMAO. A little delusional, aren’t you?

Real women frighten you liberals and it shows:

Indeed, a poll released this week by the Pew Research Center found that 49 percent of voters had an unfavorable opinion of Palin, compared to 44 percent who viewed her favorably. Pew also found that unlike past vice presidential choices, opinions of Palin mattered to the ticket.-Urinal/DNC

Whole entire “news” paper articles for someone you are “not worried about?”

By ron

October 31, 2008 5:30 AM | Link to this

Good morning,The only way to achieve overreaching is to reach.You can’t achieve it by doing nothing.The only country that can be accused of overreaching is the U.S. We’re actually trying to do something.

I’ve lost track of the number of countries where Islamic extremists are killing people with bombs just in the last month.There are quite a number of them.These extremists are a danger to everyone in the world,but we have to lead in the battle to overcome them.In Afghanistan we have help from allies. The trouble is we don’t have enough allies.

War is a bad business at best,but we received an invitation to the dance on September 11. Since the invitation was delivered the invitees are not happy with us as house guests.Too bad for them.Maybe they’ll be more careful when issuing invitations in the future.

We are engaging exremists in Iraq,Afghanistan,Pakistan and now Syria.We are engaging dissidents at home in the form of the news media and Democratic whiners.When the world’s economies collapsed,they all ran to the sanctuary of the American dollar.We are not in decline ladies and gents,in the minds of the many.We are only in decline in the minds if the whiners.The do nothings,the non participants.

By AJC/DNC Management

October 31, 2008 5:36 AM | Link to this

Poll gives McCain lead in Fla. early voting-Florida.com

This means nothing if we don’t get your vote too, Repug.

Get out and vote.

Let’s win one for the Gipper!!

By Bud Wiser

October 31, 2008 5:39 AM | Link to this

Wow. I find the irony of Dimrodi saying something to the effect that I ‘have served my master’, shall we say, Ironic. Know something about serving the Mastr, do you Dimrodi? Is it in the genes?

You demonstrate as well as any the complete and total idiocy of the lunatic left; the total lack of cognizant thought; the hatred of anyone who doesn’t think like you; and of course, the ultimate lockstep shuffle of one in chains and total servitude to your Massa, the Democratic Party. Incapable of independent or even rational thought, you soak up like a sponge the bile from the Huffington Pus/POS, DailyKos, Media Matters, etc. etc, all fellows haters such as yourself.

You are incapable of dealing with a superior intellect, and you will vomit up your insults and slurs as your only defense or rebuttal.

But you know what? Unlike retards like yourself, I do not take it personally. I am above that, therefore, I am above you. You exist in a perpetual zone of stupidity, and hate. And unlike you, I do not recommend that you be incarcerated. You need professional help, and you need it now. Any local mental health facility will do, because the analysis will always be the same…..you have nothing to work with, so go home and watch your reruns of The Jeffersons, or Good Times, or whatever you people watch, and leave civilization to civilized people.

Obama/Biden ‘08 - making it easy to be stupid, and/or brain damaged

By AJC/DNC Management

October 31, 2008 5:40 AM | Link to this

We have also had quite a hand in skewing many, many polls.” I don’t know how they’ve done that. She doesn’t describe how they’ve skewed the polls. “Some we couldn’t control as much as we would have liked, but many we have spoiled, just enough to make Real Clear Politics look scary to a McCain supporter. It’s worked, although the goal was to appear 13 to 15 points ahead. You see, the results have been working. People tend to support a winner. Go with the flow, become sheeple. The polls are roughly three to five points in favor of Barack. That’s due to our inflation of the polls and pulling in the sheeple. Our donors are the same people who finance the mainstream media. Their interests are tied.-Obama campaign worker posting on a pro Clinton blog, she’s voting for McCain

So who do you believe, their propaganda or your own gut instincts?

Let’s win one for the Gipper!!

By AJC/DNC Management

October 31, 2008 5:49 AM | Link to this

Peggy Noonan, the elite Washington class spokeshostage:

A great moment: When the press was hitting hard on the pregnancy of Sarah Palin’s 17-year-old daughter, he did not respond with a politically shrewd “I have no comment,” or “We shouldn’t judge.” Instead he said, “My mother had me when she was 18,” which shamed the press and others into silence. He showed grace when he didn’t have to.

Yeah, Oblahma’s attack goonies sure laid off Palin after that.

Noonan is a Stockholm complex sufferer, thinking only of her career, drinking the pinkkko media koolaid and jumping aboard the fake poll bandwagon.

She would rather lose an election than her inside Washington elitist status and cocktail party invite.

Isn’t she in for a surprise?

She’ll be a MyDD blogger next Wednesday.

Looking in from the outside.

By AJC/DNC Management

October 31, 2008 6:38 AM | Link to this

The proposition that government should take one group’s lawfully earned profits and hand them to another group — not a collection of destitute or impaired Americans, mind you, but a still-vibrant middle class — is the foundational premise of Obama’s fiscal policy.-RealClearPolitics

And that, my friends, is the very definition of Marxism.

By GodHatesTrash

October 31, 2008 6:47 AM | Link to this

Surprise, surprise.

Andiduhng had post number 88 on this thread.

By GodHatesTrash

October 31, 2008 6:51 AM | Link to this

Even a higher % of morons in Georgia, I bet

America will not survive another 4 years of red voter ignorance and hate, but I still think Hensley-McCain will give it to us.

By AJC/DNC Management

October 31, 2008 6:59 AM | Link to this

The Gipper is dead! However, the Bush/McCain ticket has him rolling over and flopping in his grave like a freshly caught fish. Can’t wait for Nov 4 so that he can finally rest in peace.

*McCain has been deftly caricatured by the likes of David Letterman as the old codger in his bathrobe screaming at the kids to get off his lawn.

Earlier this month, Letterman remarked on Obama’s door-knocking campaign event in an Ohio neighbourhood.

“Coincidentally, John McCain is also going door to door, except when he knocks on a door, he says, ‘Do I live here?’ ” Letterman said.*

Bush/McCain - Ooops, we forgot the Depends!

By Bud Wiser

October 31, 2008 7:04 AM | Link to this

By Patricia Shannon

*October 30, 2008 10:02 PM | Link to this

Conservatives don’t care about babies. It’s ok with them is babies and pregnant women are killed in war. It’s ok with them if babies go hungry. They just want people to be punished for having sex.*

I am most sure that whatever gender your life partner is, the last sentence you wrote pretty much sums up their attitude about being with you, loser.

By Bud Wiser

October 31, 2008 7:12 AM | Link to this

Uh oh. Just posted.

Florida early voters.

McCain - 49%

Obama - 45%

Crying towels on sale for Dimwits at Target.

Obama/Biden ‘08 - making it easy to be stupid, and losers

By Tell It Like It Is

October 31, 2008 7:32 AM | Link to this

It is interesting how socialsm and Marxism have come to the front lately as it applies to economic bailouts and stimulants. These terms were used during the womens and civil rights movements to promote fear against change.

Governments have existed throughout the history of man kind. They were established as an enabler and protectorate of citizens. China,the oldest country in the world was ruled by War Lords. Although it was not the ideal government, it was still government with taxes or goods provided by citizens. America is the most ideal place to exist today under government. We would not be living as we do without this government.

Let the people speak about our future by their vote. I have already voted for OBama because I believe that he will be more responsive to middle class America. If I were wealthy and made more than $200,000 per year, I would still vote for Obama as a 3% increase in taxes would not hurt if it helped reduce the burden on people making less money.

Big businesses is making a killing from cheap labor just as it always has done. Increased taxes are needed to reduce the debt and improve our economy by putting people back to work. I would rather tax ourselves instead of borrowing from China. Why not tax the greedy b*? Exxon/Mobil just made $14 billion in one quarter from our dependence on oil. Anyone who has ever worked for a big business knows that the 3% or hiher tax will go into the business leader’s pocket and not to expanding the business. The Wall Street fiasco demonstrates this. Labor is 50% of operating cost(salary and fringe benefits). Labor costs have been decreased by out sourcing to other countries with cheap labor. I recently had trouble with my Internet service. I spoke with someone in India that I could not understand nor solve my problem.I solved the problem myself with some good old American ingenuity.

Forget foreign policy. If there is no economic order at home, then we cannot afford to police the world. Why are we wasting monetary and human resources in other countries( Korea,Iraq, Viet Nam,Afkandistan)? Could it be that someone is making huge sums of money at the expense of the patriotic middle class? Bring the $10 billion being wasted monthly in Iraq back home and create jobs to improve our infrastructure that is in shambles. Why are rebuilding Iraq’s infrastructure and neglecting our own?

Wake up people and do not let fear of a black man in power fog your common sense. We do have checks and balances to protect us although it did not work with Bush. Change is needed.

By Ben Powell

October 31, 2008 7:33 AM | Link to this

Jay, No wonder you are an employee of the AJC…what a sad life.

By AJC/DNC Management

October 31, 2008 7:35 AM | Link to this

Is name jacking now allowed on the kookman blog?

By AJC/DNC Management October 31, 2008 6:59 AM The Gipper is dead! However, the Bush/McCain ticket has him rolling over and flopping in his grave like a freshly caught fish. Can’t wait for Nov 4 so that he can finally rest in peace.

By AJC/DNC Management

October 31, 2008 7:38 AM | Link to this

LEXINGTON, Ky. — A University of Kentucky student and another man were arrested Thursday, accused of hanging a life-sized likeness of Barack Obama from a tree on the campus.-Kentucky.com

Aahhh, yes, the jackboot Gestapo moves in to silence free speech, uh, well, only when it hurts the feelings of the libs-

Homeowners Pull Down Hanging Palin Effigy in W Hollywood; No arrests…

By Eric

October 31, 2008 7:51 AM | Link to this

Hey Bookman,

You can hang the white flag of surrender out your window if you think that wil help. Maybe the Obamanation’s Islama-Fascist friends will spare you when they have free reign to come over here.

Believe it or not, not all of us are pansies like you..

Why don’t you go home and pull the bed sheets over your head, the men will protect you.

By TN Gelding

October 31, 2008 7:55 AM | Link to this

AJC/DNC Management

October 31, 2008 5:28 AM

Did the poll mention anything about libs?

I would be more worried if Romney was on the ticket. The entire country should be scared of Palin. She does look good in those designer threads, tho. Cindy is looking fashionable, also.

By Just_Me

October 31, 2008 8:17 AM | Link to this

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Facebook Digg DEL.ICIO.US Newsvine Reddit The neoconservatives have learned nothing By Jay Bookman | Thursday, October 30, 2008, 06:38 PM

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

In a column in the Washington Post, Robert Kagan takes issue with those who — in his mind, anyway — believe the United States is in decline as the world’s dominant power and ought to act accordingly. As he correctly points out, with all of its problems the United States of America is still unchallenged as the world’s economic, cultural and military colossus.

However, what Kagan does not want to acknowledge is that even the most powerful nation in the world can overreach. Even the most powerful nation in the world has limits beyond which it weakens itself.

Kagan was an early and ardent advocate of an American invasion of Iraq, advocating unilateral action if necessary. His attitude about the use of American power then and now was captured nicely in the first two sentences of a column he wrote back in November 2002.

“America, with its vast power, can sometimes seem like a bully on the world stage,” he wrote. “But, really, the 1,200-pound gorilla is an underachiever in the bullying business.”

Kagan, like many of his fellow neoconservatives, has an inflated sense of what America acting alone on the world stage can accomplish. Our real-life experience in Iraq and Afghanistan has apparently not chastened him much. It is not “declinism” to point out that America cannot be the world’s policeman, imposing its version of order on every reluctant corner of the globe.

At this point, it is hard-earned common sense.

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Comments By AJC/DNC Management

October 30, 2008 7:17 PM | Link to this

This is the same nation that defeated both Nazi Germany and Imperialist Japan at the same time.**

Once again, you expose yourself for being a delusional creature.

We are NOT the same country. If you think we are, well, you are really, really pitiful-even more pitiful than most of us here have given you credit for being.

Do you have your bottle of Xanax ready for Wednesday?

By TN Gelding

October 31, 2008 8:17 AM | Link to this

ron

October 31, 2008 5:30 AM

We’re making the matter worse.

Richard Clarke told Bush it was a mistake to put troops in a Muslim country. He was treated like Chicken Little before 9/11 and they still wouldn’t listen to him afterward. Condi should have been fired on 9/12/2001.

Wanted, dead or alive! Day 2,606. But other than me, who’s counting?

If the FAA had been notified to increase security and it in turn notified the airlines, would they have allowed the evil-doers that were flagged to board their respective flights?

You don’t fight wars against ideologies. You show the believers a better way.

By Jack

October 31, 2008 8:23 AM | Link to this

AJC/DNC

You embarrass yourself daily with your IGNORANT rantings. The US did not defeat Germany and Japan alone! We had the support of the ENTIRE free world. We did not do it alone. We also lost MILLIONS of American lives in the process. We didn’t have a collapsing economy mired in MASSIVE debt. And, the USSR collapsed under the weight if its OWN failed economy. Get an education ! you dumb a*

By Tell It Like It Is

October 31, 2008 8:29 AM | Link to this

I know that foreign policy is a complicated issue but if 65% of citizens from other countries favor Obama, would not this be in the best interest of America’s brand?

By TN Gelding

October 31, 2008 8:31 AM | Link to this

AJC/DNC Management

October 31, 2008 5:36 AM

I hope you’re referring to George Gipp instead of the “principled” Ronald Wilson Reagan.

Who caved on Social Security reform and signed one of the biggest tax increases in our short history.

By ron

October 31, 2008 8:37 AM | Link to this

TN Gelding——-Do you actually think that dialogue will work on a person that is eager and willing to strap himself into a plane and fly it into the side of a building? What could you possibly say to this person that would make him change his mind?

By Mike

October 31, 2008 8:44 AM | Link to this

Except in the various “wars” with Native American tribes and those with Mexico and Spain, the USA has had allies—including France during the Revolution—until the current wars in Iraq.and Afghanistan.
The Bush-Cheney Administration squandered the support, if not the good will, of many nations who would have helped bring the terrorists to justice. They are in places other than the Middle East. The 9/11 terrorists trained and learned to fly commercial planes in the USA.
We cannot declare war on the world and any nation in which terrorists might receive training. We need the willing help of other countries and we will not get it by bullying our way in. What would you do? The US has wasted resources and manpower in Iraq. For what purpose?
The USA is in economic turmoil. What constitutes victory in Iraq? The invasion of Afghanistan was justified and we missed our best chance to get those ultimately responsible for 9/11 and who are still the head of Al Queda. Al Queda is regaining its strong presence there—and maybe elsewhere. What’s happening in Indonesia?
Mission Accomplished? Not even close. The USA can bomb the hell out of any small country—at great monetary expense—and reduce it to rubble.
BUT, we will never win by reliance on brute force. The US must regain and retain its moral authority and use it wisely— It’s not might is right but might for right.

By Ed

October 31, 2008 8:47 AM | Link to this

I suppose The Great Socialist and his band of idiotic Democratcs giving away my tax dollar to the lazy and the sorry who refuse to work, standing with outstreched hands to get something they don’t deserve will somehow make us a stronger country? You’re saying the Dems will make us stronger? You should take your comedy to open mic night at the Comedey Club.

By Kevin

October 31, 2008 9:05 AM | Link to this

I quite agree. We did overreach with Iraq. We need to essentially mind our own business and try to be supportive of democracies around the world. But having lived through the 60’s, it is sadly ironic that we felt we had to prop up Vietnam because if it fell than all Southeast Asia would fall to communism (Domino Theory). Now Vietnam is capitalistic with an economy that we trade with. Lesson we should learn is the countries want to copy our success and learn from our failures.

Thanks

By lovelyliz

October 31, 2008 9:12 AM | Link to this

Kagan obviously isn’t a student of world history otherwise he would know that bigger empires than ours have fallen and the neo-cons are leading the USA to the same fate.

By JohnD

October 31, 2008 9:15 AM | Link to this

Can Bookman even define “neocon” or isn’t that included in his talking points?

By TN Gelding

October 31, 2008 9:35 AM | Link to this

ron

October 31, 2008 8:37 AM

We were forewarned, but did very little.

In answer to your question, probably nothing. But you have to prevent people like that from ever becoming so rabid, and you surely don’t want to give them reasons to execute their diabolical acts. You start by respecting other cultures and not trying to cram your beliefs down their throats with military force. Let them work out their own problems. If they want democracy and freedom, they will seek it on their on.

By Chris Salzmann

October 31, 2008 9:36 AM | Link to this

Management said: You libs at the Oblahma campaign are terrified of Palin, aren’t you?

Chris: ROFLMAO. A little delusional, aren’t you?

Management: Real women frighten you liberals and it shows.

Chris: I have a lot of respect for smart women and Palin doesn’t even come close. I never liked Hillary Clinton or Condi Rice, but they are real AND smart women. Can you give me some examples of any evidence of real intelligence, regarding Sarah Palin? LOL, have fun finding evidence of that!!! I mean, 6 years and 5 schools to complete a BA in Sports Journalism??? Yeah, she’s a real woman alright, just not the type to potentially lead this country.

By AJC/DNC Management

October 31, 2008 9:52 AM | Link to this

By Chris Salzmann October 31, 2008 9:36 AM Can you give me some examples of any evidence of real intelligence, regarding Sarah Palin?

Let’s see here, hmmmmmmm, the south side of Chicago is a 3rd world murder happy basket case and Alaska is not?

By A New Liberal Convert

October 31, 2008 9:55 AM | Link to this

If Obama/Biden win, in a truely open-minded, out of the box, thought. Remember I’m now embracing my liberal brothers ideology. Demonstrations in support of three social causes that we support and love, as these are very key to alot of us supporting Obama/Biden. During the inauguration of the newly crowned social messiah, rather than swear-in on a Bible, Koran, or whatever, he should swear-in with his hand on the stomach of a pro-choice person, exercising their right and having an abortion, on the inauguration stage, as a show of solidarity in support of our rights, and Adam and Steve should have “marriage” relations with “O” & Biden presiding and affirming the normalness and goodness of the aforementioned and in support of our rights. Then in a totally selfless act, “O” and Biden will transfer all their assets and future income to one less fortunate, to show their true compassion and support to the fairness and right of wealth redistribution. And all who see, both lib and con, will see the trueness of their words and hail them good supporters of the social ideas we now love or have converted to love thru the opening of our eyes to the truth and goodness. YES, I KNOW I WENT OVERBOARD, IT WAS INTENTIONAL, BUT MY POINT IS SOME OF YOU ARE VOTING FOR OBAMA/BIDEN BASED SOLELY ON YOUR SUPPORT OF ONE OF THOSE REASONS AND COULD CARE LESS ABOUT FACTORING ANYTHING ELSE INTO YOUR DECISION. LASTLY, YOU SHOULD HAVE CHOICE IN WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, I WOULD NOT ASK FOR OTHERWISE. BUT IF YOU SUPPORT THIS STUFF THAT MUCH, THEN WHY BE ASHAMED OF HAVING IT IN PUBLIC. I SUPPORT MY AND YOUR RIGHT TO DISAGREE AND HOLD OUR OWN OPINIONS. MAYBE IN 2012 THERE WILL BE A BETTER CANDIDATES IN ONE OF THE PARTIES.

By Dino

October 31, 2008 9:55 AM | Link to this

Listen…an Obama presidency will be absolute catastrophe!

He will raise taxes for everyone (not just the 95% below…what is it now 250K, 200K, or according to Biden 150K?) due to the increased spending in the trillions! He cannot pay for this by just taxing the top 5%.

What experience has he shown that he can handle Foreign Policy? None…unless you count his STAGED little vacation to IRAQ and Afghanistan to show voters that he at least was seen in the countries (even though he had voted not to support the troops even when they were fighting….better to let’em die without the supplies, right OBAMA?….Then, you can somehow twist it around to BUSH).

During the Cold War, the Soviets said that one day the Communists would take the USA without firing a shot! They were absolutely correct, because if OBAMA is elected we might as well refer to the USA as the USSA (United Socialist States of America!) and it is all because he was a SMOOTH-TALKER (he talked the country into socialism…..”SPREAD THE WEALTH TO THOSE THAT DO NOT HAVE, FROM THOSE THAT DO HAVE” -quote from KARL MARX)

OBAMA = MARX (same person, just a different century).

By Confused

October 31, 2008 9:58 AM | Link to this

Someone please clarify - first we heard Obama’s cutoff for no increased taxes for working families if they make less than $250,000. Now I see reports that Obama is lowering this to $200,000?

Please, anyone, which is the correct cutoff????

By Red

October 31, 2008 9:58 AM | Link to this

As soon as China crosses the Taiwan straits to invade, President Obama will absolve us of all Chinese held debt, confiscate Chinese owned assets domestically and balance the federal budget immediately. GO CHINA!

By TN Gelding

October 31, 2008 10:09 AM | Link to this

Jack

October 31, 2008 8:23 AM

Russia, China, Germany, Japan and Yugoslavia lost millions of lives.

The U.S. “only” 295,000.

By oh big surprise

October 31, 2008 10:13 AM | Link to this

Stay tuned confused, it will continue to change…it is afterall part of the typical campaign promise rhetoric. It will continually be lowered, how else can we pay for all these campaign promise programs?

By Ferd

October 31, 2008 10:15 AM | Link to this

Midori,,,,is that long for Midol. It should be cause you give me the cramps. I can’t wait for you Dems to implode after the Messiah get elected. The 3 stooges: Nobama, Reid, Pelosi

By DA TROOF !!

October 31, 2008 10:15 AM | Link to this

OBAMA BInlaDEN ‘08 !!

By hold onto your wallet

October 31, 2008 10:18 AM | Link to this

In his latest Obamathon informercial he specifically said families earning under $200k…it had previously been $250k, so it will be lowered again, I’m sure.

Either way you go in this race, hold onto your wallet cause we’re all going to pay more. This accusing one party over the other of tax and spend is pretty ridiculous. Both parties are notorious for taxing and spending and more taxing and more spending.

By Matt

October 31, 2008 10:23 AM | Link to this

Biden even mentioned 150k three days ago. Was that a gaff or does he know something?

By Right back at you

October 31, 2008 10:24 AM | Link to this

Midori - you and your kind are what gives Democrats such a bad name. Talk about pot calling the kettle…

By CommunistAJC

October 31, 2008 10:25 AM | Link to this

JAY BOOKMAN, ONE: YOUR BELOVED WASHINGTON POST REPORTERS WERE JUST KICKED OFF OF OBAMA HUSSEINS PLANE. SIGN OF THINGS TO COME.

For every Obama Hussien voter, you should really read this.

If we elect an admitted socialist president, we’ll deserve what we get - Kevin O’Brien

Don’t forward me any more he’s-a-closet-Muslim e- mails. Don’t bother me about Barack Obama’s birth certificate, either. With Election Day less than a week away, whether Obama meets the citizenship test to be president of the United States is about the mootest point imaginable. He’s the Democratic nominee, and if he wins more electoral votes on Tuesday than John McCain, he’ll be the president-elect.

We Americans literally don’t have time for that nonsense.

At stake in this election is nothing less than the pivotal question of the individual American’s relationship to his government - a question defined in what may be the only two moments of candor Obama has offered America during this campaign.

ABC’s Charlie Gibson first lifted the veil back in April, during a primary-season debate among Democratic candidates. He asked why Obama would raise capital-gains taxes even if the result were decreased collections for the government.

Obama replied, “What I’ve said is that I would look at raising the capital-gains tax for purposes of fairness.”

Then came Obama’s chance meeting with Joe “The Plumber” Wurzelbacher, who questioned Obama’s tax plans and got this reply: “It’s not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure that everyone who is behind you - that they have a chance for success, too. I think that when you spread the wealth around, it is good for everyone.”

Obama’s answers to those questions made it crystal-clear that he sees taxation as a tool not only to pay for government, but as a tool to reassign the wealth of individual Americans directly to other individual Americans as government sees fit. If he doesn’t believe in trickle-down economics, fine. But having government decide precisely how full each American’s glass should be - and then making the necessary adjustments - would be a whole new ballgame.

Columnist Mark Steyn, writing over the weekend for National Review Online (snipurl.com/4t9xl), argues that Obama’s election “would front the fourth great wave of liberal annexation - the first being FDR’s New Deal, the second LBJ’s Great Society, and the third the incremental but remorseless cultural advance when Reagan conservatives began winning victories at the ballot box and liberals turned their attention to the other levers of the society, from grade school up… . All three liberal waves have transformed American expectations of the state. The spirit of the age is: Ask not what your country can do for you, demand it.”

He’s right. After 70-plus years of ascendant socialism, this country today would be recognizable to Thomas Jefferson only as the realization of his worst fears. That Obama wants to make a final and irreversible hard-left turn is apparent not only from his few unguarded utterances this year, but from much of what he said and wrote before his presidential campaign. Witness his 2001 interview with Chicago Public Radio (youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck), in which he laments that the Supreme Court “never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth.”

Now consider the likely possibility of an Obama presidency, a filibuster-proof Senate and two or three openings on the Supreme Court that he can fill with fellow redistributionists.

Forget e-mailed technicalities. Obama should lose this election because Americans wake from their trance, look over the precipice to which he has ushered them, and recoil.

Seventy years is a long time for a nation to wander from the principles and practices that brought it forth and made it great: limited government, individual liberty, individual initiative rewarded and the right of every citizen to assign the fruits of his own labors as he sees fit.

Obama has run a stealth campaign, because the left suspects that it hasn’t succeeded in separating us entirely from those principles. An Obama victory would sever the connection, though. He has slipped twice, and told us so.

If Americans take the monumental risk Obama poses, they will deserve the government they get. More to the point, they will have proved undeserving of the government left to them by far greater, far wiser men.

O’Brien is The Plain Dealer’s deputy editorial page director.

By hold onto your wallet

October 31, 2008 10:30 AM | Link to this

You’re right Matt, I’d forgotten about that little gaffe. I think there’s a lot of folks that are going to be in for a rude awaking if they’re actually buying into this BS that someone’s looking out for the middle class.

Who do you think is going to pay for all of this stuff both parties are promising? What’s left of the middle class that’s who!

By making

October 31, 2008 10:37 AM | Link to this

Poll shows Obama with ONLY 4% lead this morning!

By Matt

October 31, 2008 10:39 AM | Link to this

This from WIKIPEDIA:

Socialism refers to a broad set of economic theories of social organization advocating state or collective ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods, and the creation of an egalitarian society.[1][2] Modern socialism originated in the late nineteenth-century working class political movement. Karl Marx posited that socialism would be achieved via class struggle and a proletarian revolution which represents the transitional stage between capitalism and communism.[3][4]

Socialists mainly share the belief that capitalism unfairly concentrates power and wealth among a small segment of society that controls capital and creates an unequal society. All socialists advocate the creation of an egalitarian society, in which wealth and power are distributed more evenly, although there is considerable disagreement among socialists over how, and to what extent this could be achieved.[1]

Socialism is not a discrete philosophy of fixed doctrine and program; its branches advocate a degree of social interventionism and economic rationalization, sometimes opposing each other. Another dividing feature of the socialist movement is the split on how a socialist economy should be established between the reformists and the revolutionaries. Some socialists advocate complete nationalization of the means of production, distribution, and exchange; while others advocate state control of capital within the framework of a market economy. Social democrats propose selective nationalization of key national industries in mixed economies combined with tax-funded welfare programs; Libertarian socialism (which includes Socialist Anarchism and Libertarian Marxism) rejects state control and ownership of the economy altogether and advocates direct collective ownership of the means of production via co-operative workers’ councils and workplace democracy.

By hold onto your wallet

October 31, 2008 10:40 AM | Link to this

Definitely some serious food for thought there CommieAJC. I have been amazed at the trancelike state of some people. While I would agree that he’s charismatic, charming, etc., it has certainly helped that he is the media’s darling.

You have to wonder how they’re going to feel when he’s elected and decides what questions they can ask, print, etc. I bet we see a whole new take on political lampooning…

By ron

October 31, 2008 10:54 AM | Link to this

Tn Gelding,——-Try the reverse.Try to figure out what someone would have to tell you to make you want to get into a plane and fly it into a building.I can’t imagine it.It has to take yeares of indoctrination.I don’t believe that’s reversible.The only way I see is to be there and stop the cycle.No amount of talking is going to be successful.

By TN Gelding

October 31, 2008 11:17 AM | Link to this

Ed

October 31, 2008 8:47 AM

Your taxes barely cover the Pentagon’s budget.

By Dr. R

October 31, 2008 11:20 AM | Link to this

There has to be a firm middle ground between Jimmy Carter’s kumbaya appeasement approach and the go-it-alone style of the Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld crowd. If you want to read where the Republican party should be headed after its impending rout, read Mike Bloomberg’s essay in Newsweek from this past week. Here’s a guy who is not weighed down by ideological nonsense or social pandering, but instead is out to fill the potholes and make the trains run on time. That’s what we need in the White House, a competent problem solver, not a pastor in-chief, not a Ghandi wannabe, and not another goober who’s never worn a uniform who thinks he’s Patton.

By SwedeAtlanta

October 31, 2008 11:21 AM | Link to this

It amazes me that so many posters believe that the U.S. should be the world’s policeman and have the resources to play that role.

The world has changed dramatically since the end of WWII. NATO didn’t exist. The UN didn’t exist. Economies were not as interconnected. The U.S. was still a net exporter of petroleum.

The world we live in today is indeed dangerous but we need to abandon the belief that we should be the world’s policeman and especially abandon the notion of pre-emptive warfare. As we found in Iraq not one of the reasons given for war turned out to be true. Whether we were sold this war willfully or as a result of faulty intelligence will never be fully known.

We need to work within the framework of our alliances and relations with other nations to exhaust all avenues except military action. Sometimes that means talking to or even helping nations we really don’t like.

And when we go to war we not only enter it for verifiable reasons but we need to have a successful plan to execute and leave. Once again we learned that in Iraq.

Further not only do I not believe it is our place or right to be the policeman of the world we can’t afford it. Iraq and Afghanistan are sucking the lifeblood out of our economy and budget. We need to refocus our efforts on Afghanistan where the real perpetrators of 9/11 are holed up or in neighboring Pakistan. Even the U.S. military agrees that the time has come to talk with the Taliban. We will never win a guerilla war with bullets alone. The success of the surge in Iraq was only possible when Iraqis began to appreciate their futures would be better by negotiating and helping to quell the violence.

The days of “speak softly but carry a big stick” are over.

By hold onto your wallet

October 31, 2008 11:24 AM | Link to this

Dr. R - you hit the nail on the head! Well said!

By MV7

October 31, 2008 11:28 AM | Link to this

And Jay Bookman hasnt learned anything either. The ball swings both ways, eventually it will hit you in the a$$.

By TN Gelding

October 31, 2008 11:30 AM | Link to this

Dino

October 31, 2008 9:55 AM

He said those making over $250k would have their taxes increased.

Between $200-250k they stay the same. Below $200k will get a tax cut.

How high do the annual budget deficits and national debt have to get before you are willing to pay more? Look for him to cut spending modestly, too.

The health care benefits alone should offset the increases, especially among small businesses.

By Obama?Your Mama!

October 31, 2008 11:39 AM | Link to this

Barack Obama’s senior advisers have drawn up plans to lower expectations for his presidency if he wins next week’s election, amid concerns that many of his euphoric supporters are harboring unrealistic hopes of what he can achieve.

The sudden financial crisis and the prospect of a deep and painful recession have increased the urgency inside the Obama team to bring people down to earth, after a campaign in which his soaring rhetoric and promises of “hope” and “change” are now confronted with the reality of a stricken economy.

One senior adviser told The Times that the first few weeks of the transition, immediately after the election, were critical, “so there’s not a vast mood swing from exhilaration and euphoria to despair.”

That’s real change you can count on huh?

By Old physics teacher

October 31, 2008 11:43 AM | Link to this

ron. Back in the 1940’s, before we found out how to make the uranium bomb explode, American citizens who had lost friends and family in the pacific end of the war offered to “ride the bomb down” to personally explode the bomb if it would kill enough “Japs.” It didn’t take any “indoctrination” at all - they willingly volunteered. All it takes is enough anger and a deep need for revenge.
War is nasty and wasteful - for the winner as well as the loser. It’s best to avoid if at all possible, because once you let loose the hounds of war, it’s too late to call them back. In the same situation as Lt. Calley in VietNam, I’m not sure I could have held those troops back. Anger and revenge is a powerful motivator, and right and wrong becomes irrelevant. It’s a pity we didn’t listen to one of our greatest warriors - Eisenhower.

By citizen

October 31, 2008 11:44 AM | Link to this

If Obama becomes ‘King’, who or what countries is/are the ‘King Maker’? Follow the money..at this point $600 million generated as donations from anonymous credit card accounts. What group makes up the neoconservatives and then look at their nemesis? I dare to say you won’t find many Anglo-Americans nor many African-Americans in either group in large numbers.

By Dino

October 31, 2008 11:46 AM | Link to this

TN Gelding:

Until the government gets rid of all the earmarks/pork barrel projects that the Democrats consistently add to every bill it rams through Congress, this deficit will never decrease only increase.

No matter how many taxes you choose to raise, if you do not improve your spending habits and make cuts…..you lose!

That is what has happened to this economy and that is why increasing spending will not fix it as Obama wants to increase spending.

That is why we need McCain…PERIOD.

By dw

October 31, 2008 11:46 AM | Link to this

I would like to ask the vehement Obama/Biden supporters, how is increasing taxing on those making $250K, or $200K, or $150K or ??K and diverting maybe a couple thousand to less fortunate individuals going to spur the economy. The company powers are going to look at that and just decide to produce more and do it better, Not. How is taking money to pay for healthcare from that of premiums, instead to putting into a government controlled “kitty” going to reduce what is taken from your wallet for healthcare insurance. Your just changing who is taking the money. The same person is still paying for the bill. Just doing redistribution will not spur the economy. Oh, I forgot they are going to say the word “change”, flash a smile, look calm, and wave to the crowd, and everything will be utopia. There is no real plan on the table. Sorry, not quite true. The plan is say the word “change” and they will follow.

By making

October 31, 2008 12:04 PM | Link to this

Even my gay liberal boss said this morning, “I’m starting to get REAL nervous that McCain is going to win.”

By Alice

October 31, 2008 12:32 PM | Link to this

The US actually had a good bit of help in defeating Nazi Germany & Japan (and don’t forget Italy too). They were called our Allies, something we don’t have in Iraq and Afganistan. Not sure where the reference to defeating the Soviet Union comes from, since we’ve never fought a military war with them.

By Good Humor Get Over It

October 31, 2008 12:35 PM | Link to this

In keeping with the Halloween spirit of scaring people. Does anyone have some Obama/Biden signs I can used??? That should do the “trick” and scare parents and children alike. That leads me to a pun - an Obama/Biden win is no “treat”. You wish you would have thought of it first.

By gadem

October 31, 2008 12:41 PM | Link to this

I wonder how all these war mongering neo-cons expected the war to get funded? With oil? Did you all fall for that lie too? Taxes must be raised and spending decreased…unless you want to borrow more money from China…that will soon need to be paid back as well.

By hold onto your wallet

October 31, 2008 12:59 PM | Link to this

A bottom up economy will never work. The bottom percentile of the economy is not the group that creates jobs. And I agree with Dino and some of the other posters who’ve pointed out that raising taxes without getting rid of a lot of special interest pandering, pork projects and other wasteful spending will not solve anything.

In addition to the wasteful domestic spending, too much our our money being spent outside this country to “entice” countries who openly hate us, to abide by UN sanctions. That’s a joke. All they do is build weapons, continue to starve their people and their leader gets a new castle.

We have government agencies still in place today that have added no value for generations. If we spent half the money our government wastes on sensible projects, like alternative energy, healthcare reform, improved transit systems, our education systems - we’d be ahead of the game. We could create jobs right here in the good ole USA that actually benefit our citzens.

We have lived on credit too long and too many people have followed the lead of government and corrupt bankers and wall street. You can’t spend more than yu make…the house of cards will eventually fall.

Government should be run more like a business. The Government needs to follow the lead of business and start trimming the fat. Yes it will be painful, but a complete collapse is going to be even more painful.

Both parties of our government had lead us to the brink of disaster. The situation we face cannot be blamed solely on the Republicans or the Democrats. Every 8 years the party has changed and we’ve continued down the same path. The last term of each party has been wrought with ridicule, bad decisions or no decisions, threats of impreachment, you name it. It doesn’t matter which party. Look back at the Clinton, daddy Bush, W, Carter, Reagan, etc. administrations…

The partisan blame game needs to end and the people we are putting office need to be held accountable! I personally think 4 years should be the limit on any public office, including Judges, no more lifetime positions.

By hold onto your wallet

October 31, 2008 1:07 PM | Link to this

I meant to add to my last thought that 4 years for any elected official incuding the President is plenty of time to either fix some things or mess them up even worse. It’s the messing them up and continuing to make it worse in your second term that bothers me and they’ve all pretty much followed that pattern.

If we hold everyone to a 4 year limit, we can clean things out regularly enough for folks to get the message…no more lifetime Senators, etc. We’ll take care of having to deal with “lifetime politicians.”

It should be a public service role, not an occupation which is what most of them have turned into.

By dw

October 31, 2008 1:11 PM | Link to this

To Making,

Tell your gay liberal boss not to worry. If McCain wins, your boss still will be able to sleep with whomever he wants. That won’t change, even though the liberal media likes to use that scare tactic and say restrictions will happen. In my opinion, most people voting for McCain/Palin still don’t care who you sleep with. I certainly don’t, but I don’t affirm it, can’t understand it, and I certainly didn’t vote Obama/Biden. Having a different opinion is not “hate-speech” either, as you might wish to say, in order to silence anyone who doesn’t affirm your opinion.

By gadem

October 31, 2008 1:15 PM | Link to this

Trickle down economics does not work either…it can be argued that the middle class drives the economy…

By hold onto your wallet

October 31, 2008 1:25 PM | Link to this

gadem - I would not disagree that middle class drives the economy of this country. What concerns me the most is that I honestly don’t believe either party really grasps that it’s that middle class that is being squeezed to the brink of extinction. Without a healthy middle America, your tax base pretty much disappears.

I personally don’t think redistribution or spreading the wealth makes a whole of sense either…unless we redistribute the wasteful spending into spending that benefits all citizens like the things I mentioned before.

By pjohn

October 31, 2008 1:30 PM | Link to this

This might be my favorite Abraham Lincoln quote. I wish every neocon would read and reflect on it, I think we’d all be better off it they did.

“At what point shall we expect the approach of danger? By what means shall we fortify against it? Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant, to step the Ocean, and crush us at a blow? Never! All the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest; with a Buonaparte for a commander, could not by force, take a drink from the Ohio, or make a track on the Blue Ridge, in a trial of a thousand years. At what point, then, is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide. The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume I, “Address Before the Young Men’s Lyceum of Springfield, Illinois (January 27, 1838), p. 109.

By hold onto your wallet

October 31, 2008 1:42 PM | Link to this

pjohn - I think all Americans regardless of their Party affliation would benefit from reading and reflecting on that, not just the Republicans

And, I really don’t like the term neocon…who came up with that anyway? It’s almost as bad as being called a liberal elitist, don’t you think?

By pjohn

October 31, 2008 2:16 PM | Link to this

hold on to your wallet- I don’t mean to offend. I use the term ‘neocon’ to try and distinguish a subgroup of the republican party (and some democrats, for that matter).

I used to believe that conservatism was all about balanced budgets, smaller governments, and a non-interventionist foreign policy. Thus, I see some of the ‘conservative’ voices today, like the ones I believe Jay was addressing, as something other than pure republican or conservative.

But, I think you’re right—-using labels is probably not the best way to discuss these issues.

By BT fan

October 31, 2008 2:34 PM | Link to this

Bud Wiser, the best Blog I have read during these months of election rampage. The same message was scattered among middle class citizens right before the Fall of the Roman Empire.. GREAT BLOG

By M.D.Bigdaddy

October 31, 2008 2:56 PM | Link to this

This is for all the idiots who have said that Sarah Palin does not have the experience to be vice president. She managed a state that is one of the highest in revenue and ended corruption there at the same time. If her qualities are not enough to be V-P then your boy from Arkansas was never up to par to be president nor was the real bem-bo Hillary. If you were in a real world( your pea brain ) you would be able to see that she has much more experience than the Hitler you guys want for president. Did you know your ” guy” never won an election…just got his Acorn buddies to go out and disqualify some petitioners at the last minute where they did not have time to get more. Cheat , lie , steal…it’s all the same to you guys. Most of you are the ones who always got your butts kicked or were to ugly to get a date and you got to have somebody to blame for your ” short comings “. The problem is you and your bad gene pool….get help…don’t pro-create.

By dw

October 31, 2008 3:02 PM | Link to this

You are so right. No more career politicians would be great.

By Obama? Your Mama!

October 31, 2008 3:05 PM | Link to this

Spreading the wealth is just a friendly code word for Reparation What else could it mean coming from the lips of a militant black socialist?

By dbaguv

October 31, 2008 3:24 PM | Link to this

Instead of a lapel pin. McCain should wear his birth certificate in his breast pocket. This would force the foreigner to do the same. Check Mate!

By Curious George

October 31, 2008 3:46 PM | Link to this

Why is Obama the Marxist even being allowed to run for President when he isn’t a US Citizen?

By hang onto your wallet

October 31, 2008 4:02 PM | Link to this

pjohn - no offense taken. You’re correct in that both parties have deviated from what they once represented. At one point in time a Southern Democrat was very much like a “conservative” Republican. I don’t really align with either of today’s versions.

I like to consider myself a moderate and am willing to consider candidates from either party IF (big word there) I believe they are the most qualified and will represent what is best for America.

The media hype and spin makes it very tough to distinguish between fact and fiction. The media fuels the divisiveness, it’s what sells. ALL the outlets are guilty of blatant bias. It is unfortunate that many people do not “shop around” for their information, they simply drink from one fountain.

By fearless fosdik

October 31, 2008 4:02 PM | Link to this

By Curious George

October 31, 2008 3:46 PM

George .. you got any proof that Obama is not a U.S. Citizen or are you just repeating a mantra you heard form RUSH? Or talking out of your A$$?

I believe both to be true!

By M.D.Bigdaddy

October 31, 2008 4:08 PM | Link to this

Curious George, good question…why do you think he went to Hawaii….TO KEEP HIS GRANNY QUIET!!! She knows he was born in Kenya not Hawaii. Do you really think that the liberal press is going to pursue this…hell no. Do you think the Dem congress cares ….hell no. Thats not the problem though, people in this country are so stupid they would vote for a yellow dog if they thought he would give them a free ride. God help us if we elect this empty suit commie.

By Curious George

October 31, 2008 4:17 PM | Link to this

I can easily provide legal documentation, date-stamped photography, eyewitness accounts, hospital records, etc. to prove my US Citizenship, but I have no interest in running for President.

Why is it that Obama the Marxist cannot provide ANY of those?

By GaLiberal

October 31, 2008 4:21 PM | Link to this

I love it when Rethuglicon bootlickers like AJC/DNC Management compare WWII to today. They haven’t the faintest clue what bull they’re shoveling. As they say, ignorance is bliss and these clowns are really blissful. I could go into an exercise in futility about how WWII and today are separated by over 60 years. Or how we had lots of Allies in WWII, but none today. Or a dozen other facts these morons ignore. Attacking Iran would only serve to solidify the Middle Eastern countries against us. Want the oil supply cut off completely? Want to see gas prices over $10/gal? If you can even get it. These cowboy idiots are the same ones that put Bush in office. Twice. And look where we are today. I’ll remember in November.

When you vote Rethuglicon, you vote against your own best interests. And AJC/DNC Management is living proof.

By M.D.Bigdaddy

October 31, 2008 4:22 PM | Link to this

No-name, want to talk about proof…he is being sued for not coming up with a ” REAL” birth certificate ( Vault copy ). Burdens on him and he ain’t talking. What would you expect from another “yellow dog Dummycrat “.

By Curious George

October 31, 2008 4:25 PM | Link to this

Why do the “Obama Supporters” want to call me names and hurl insults instead of answering any of my simple questions about their new “god?”

Why can 95%+ of the people in voting polls professing to vote for Obama NOT name ANY of his policies (foreign or domestic), specific economic ideas, political accomplishments, relevant experience or qualifications to be President?

By hold onto your wallet

October 31, 2008 4:40 PM | Link to this

It’s a real shame that we can’t have intelligent blog discussions and share/debate differing opinions without the usual jerks on here that insist on showing us what nastiness they’re capable of in print form.

By Say What?

October 31, 2008 4:49 PM | Link to this

We scream when you use our hard-earned tax dollars on wars in faraway lands that can only be justified by the most tortured logic.

You scream when we use your hard-earned tax dollars to assist the less fortunate in our own country.

Your wars supposedly protect the USA from future harm.

Our assistance protects American society from the by-products of poverty: crime, drugs, and mayhem.

We’re not so different.

By fearless fosdik

October 31, 2008 4:51 PM | Link to this

By Curious George

October 31, 2008 4:17 PM |

George I can provide a copy of my birth certificate, and so did Obama.

http://www.fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

By fearless fosdik

October 31, 2008 4:51 PM | Link to this

By Curious George

October 31, 2008 4:17 PM |

George I can provide a copy of my birth certificate, and so did Obama.

http://www.fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

By Curious George

October 31, 2008 4:59 PM | Link to this

Why are “Obama Supporters” naive enough to think that FightTheSmears.com, an Obama-run-and-funded web site, would report anything negative or even OBJECTIVE about Obama?

Also, why are “Obama Supporters” so ignorant that they cannot tell the type font used on that phoney “document”” image did NOT exist in 1961 and that it is clearly a 21st-Century software-generated image?

How can “Obama Supporters” who grew up in the same public education system as the rest of America be SO uninformed?

By fearless fosdik

October 31, 2008 5:09 PM | Link to this

Curious George:

Suck on this sour apple…..

Nonpartisan Web site Factcheck.org says the birth certificate has all the signs of a genuine document.

Do you know better than FACTCHECK or are You a republican hack!

By you gotta wonder

October 31, 2008 5:12 PM | Link to this

doesn’t look like a Hawaii state birth certificate from the 60’s based on the ones I’ve seen posted by others actually born there from 1961 to 1963. Here’s one example: http://snarkybytes.com/?p=521

By Say What?

October 31, 2008 5:16 PM | Link to this

I think this whole brouhaha over Obama’s birth certificate is simply the death throes of a Republican campaign that has sputtered to failure only 4 days from the election.

You radicals on the right can dream up whatever you want to impede President Obama. My guess is that he won’t be schtupping any interns…so will you just whine for 4 years, or will there be Articles of Impeachment served on him on Inauguration Day, you sore but deserving losers?

By food for thought

October 31, 2008 5:22 PM | Link to this

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/barackobamaand_slavery.html

this is a very interesting and definitely worth the read

By Paul

October 31, 2008 5:22 PM | Link to this

Soixante huitard 4:01

[[As for his support in the military, that’s not as overwhelming, but still the chosen one has the edge]]

Well of course Obama has more contributions from those with the Defense Dept. There are over 700,000 civilians employed by the Defense Dept at very good wages. Plus a gazillion civilians working for contractors. Obama has said he’s going to add billions more to the Defense budget, which already accounts for 58 percent of discretionary spending.

Of course they want Obama to win!

Hey Bosch

Any Snickers left? That’s why you buy TWO bags and give one to Mrs. Bosch to hide until nighttime. I just got done carving my jack-o-lantern - used this as a model - little kids loved the gross-out last year:

Link: Puking Pumpkin

Did you see Mrs. Godzilla has an offspring wedding this weekend? Home cooking for 150 people?!!?

Think of all the money she’s saving - on the medical test to see if she has the insanity gene! Already know the answer to that one!

By making

October 31, 2008 5:23 PM | Link to this

Poll showing Obama leading ONLY by 4%…by Tuesday it will be neck and neck tie with McCain the winner!

By pjohn

October 31, 2008 5:31 PM | Link to this

There are 2 things that I’m certain of:

Conspiracy theorists, grow up.

By mrb62

October 31, 2008 5:34 PM | Link to this

MD Littledaddy, Curious Idiot, AJC Management

All taking pride in their ignorance, one moron at a time.

By DanJonglee

October 31, 2008 6:14 PM | Link to this

Neocon is the Left’s code word for Jew. Nice to know that Jay is an Anti Semite.

By swhite

October 31, 2008 6:17 PM | Link to this

OBAMA SODOMITE…YOU ARE A PIECE OF S$*T! I guessed you must have been raised by a skank for you to think that Michelle Obama is one. Classless and get ready to look at her for the next 4 years! Loser!

By Just Nasty & Mean

October 31, 2008 7:04 PM | Link to this

Let’s look at Obama:

1) Stanley Ann Dunham Obama Soetoro (November 29, 1942 - November 7, 1995), also known as Ann Dunham and Stanley Ann Dunham, Obama’s mother attended, Mercer Island (Washington) High School, a hotbed of pro-Marxist radical teachers. John Stenhouse, board member, told the US House on Un-American Activities Subcommittee that he had been a member of the Communist Party USA and this school has a number of Marxists on its staff. Two teachers at this school, Val Foubert and Jim Wichterman, both Frankfurt School style Marxists, taught a critical theory curriculum to students, which included; rejection of societal norms, attacks on Christianity, the traditional family, and assigned readings by Karl Marx. The hallway between Foubert’s and Wichterman classrooms was sometimes called “anarchy alley”. Obama Jr. calls “ the dominate figure in his formative years, was a long-term cultural Marxist, a member of the Communist Party USA, and radical leftist, and met Barack Obama Sr. studying Russian in Hawaii.. Quoting Obama, “The values she taught me continue to be my touchstone when it comes to how I go about the world of politics.”

2) His father, Kenyan Barack Obama Sr. converted from Christianity to Muslim, He studied at University of Hawaii where as part of a program supported by leftist Harry Belafonte, Jackie Robinson and Sydny Poitier. He married Barack Jr’s mother in spite of the fact he had not divorced his 1st wife (Kezia) in Kenya with whom he had 4 children—all of whom he abandoned. He left his second wife, Ann Dunham and Barack Obama Jr. when he was only 2 years old and only saw him one more time when Barack, Jr. was 10 years old. He later had several children with a Kenyan woman, only known as Jael. Obama, Jr. has had limited, and in fact no contact with several of his siblings. Obama has twice met his youngest brother, George Hussein Onyango Obama who still lives in rote poverty in a 2X3 meter mud hut in a ramshackle town of Huruma on the outskirts of Nairobi Kenya on less than a dollar a month. Obama claims his favorite Bible verse is ““Whatsoever you do to the least among your brethern, you do unto me”-Matthew 25:40”.

3) Combine these with Obama’s decades-long associations with Rev.(G.D America!) Jeremiah Wright, (unrepentant confessed Pentagon and US Capital bomber and NY police precinct cop-killer) Bill Ayers-who got off the charges on an evidence gathering technicality), and (radical racist preacher) Michael Pfleger,

4) For 7 years while teaching at University of Chicago School of Law, Obama focused on rights, race and sexism. During this extended period, he was never recognized for publishing a single item of law interpretation, position, or thesis. Obama’s teaching career was distinguished by how little he accomplished outside the classroom. His law license expired in 2002 due to inactivity.

5) Obama won a contract and cash advance to write a book about race relations. The book evolved into a personal memoir. In an effort to recruit him to their faculty, the University of Chicago Law School provided Obama with a fellowship and an office to work on his book He originally planned to finish the book in one year, but it took much longer. In order to work without interruptions, Obama and his wife, Michelle, traveled to Bali where he wrote for several months. The manuscript was finally published as Dreams from My Father in mid-1995. Even though he received a grant for the book, none of the royalty proceeds of the resultant effort was returned to the university.

6) Obama has had several business dealings with indicted/convicted Chicago slumlord Tony Rezco, for political corruption, who stood to gain millions from several bills Obama introduced in the Illinois legislature intended to benefit “senior housing”, that provided taxpayer-funded grants funneled to Chicago landlords. The Obama’s home was purchased at a significant discount— just coincidentally and simultaneously—on the same day Rezco purchased an adjoining lot from the same owner for an inflated full price.

7) Obama’s time spent as a so-called ‘community organizer’ was primarily served under ACORN, a socialist-left urban organization with ties to the American Communist Party (who recently endorsed Obama), best known for running illegal voter registration drives, and under indictment in two states. Obama had a close relationship, recruited and a mentorship by Sal Alinsky, author of the book Rules for Radicals, A Pragmatic Primer for Realistic Radicals, dedicated to Satan, was a document outlining views on organizing for mass power and backyard revolution in the cities. Sal Alinsky was the subject of Hillary Clinton’s senior thesis at Wellsley College, but the White House asked for restricted access once she became 1st lady for fears of an association with Alinsky. Nothing of note or of specific significance accomplishment was credited to Obama’s during this extended period of time.

8) Consider his wife, Michelle, who studied African-American Studies at Princeton where her senior thesis (1985) concerned the plight of blacks at the university. She complained that the college’s “Afro-American studies” program was “one of the smallest and most understaffed departments in the university” and further complained that only one major university-recognized group on campus was “designed specifically for the intellectual and social interests of blacks and other third world students.” At Harvard Law, she protested for the hiring of more minority professors. On the campaign trail, Michelle blurted: “For the first time in my adult life, I am proud of my country. On the campaign stump in 2008, she described America as “a mean country”. Also quoted as saying: “The life that I’m talking about that most people are living has gotten progressively worse since I was a little girl.”

That’s just Obama’s close associates. It doesn’t include his radical positions to nationalize the world’s best healthcare system, his naive notions on the war, on meeting foreign America-hating dictators, increased tax and spend positions during a weak economy.

Combine them, and the picture of who Obama REALLY IS emerges. His campaign is based on Change. The open question is Change to what?

After only 143 days in the Senate before declaring for President, predicting where Obama will take the country is just too unknown to be the leader of the free world.

By Michael

October 31, 2008 7:04 PM | Link to this

Since this is a free for all forum and digresses from the subject of neocons, I will offer an observation about the McCain campaign. It is beginning to remind me of professional rasslin. First they have adopted the “coincidental” appearance of Joe the Plumber into a fixture on their stump speeches. Now, suddenly, from nowhere, whoever? the builder shows up and becomes a fixture and offers his input in with some accent—Mexican?—on his words. I can’t wait for Abdulla the Butcher or The Good Samaritan—remember him?—to appear so McCain and the GOP can go for the Muslim vote. That would be tacky but I would not be surprised.

By Good night all

October 31, 2008 7:16 PM | Link to this

Trash and low levels of campaigning trick or treaterie is not beneath either party dear Michael…look no further than your own favorite candidate. What is a neocon or a liberal elitist exactly anyway other than stupid name calling…playground antics by adults.

By Copyleft

October 31, 2008 8:08 PM | Link to this

Neoconservatism is dead. Incredibly stupid on the face of it, it still SOMEHOW managed to get a trial run under G.W. Bush… and it failed completely.

Thank goodness. America is a constitutional republic, not an empire. And the notion of using our military and economic “muscle” to enforce our will on all the other nations of the world is abhorrent to real Americans.

It’s shortsighted, it’s costly, and it doesn’t even work. Sorry, PNAC signers; you blew it! Your day is done.

By vuduchld

October 31, 2008 9:06 PM | Link to this

I’m LMAO at the shrillness of neocon artists on here. They love trashing Obama while conviently leaving out details on their own canidates. Lets see, Sarah Palin’s hubby was a card carrying memeber of the Alaska Independence Party, an organization that wholeheartly endores Alaska to succeed from the United States. If I remember correctly, that is tatamount to treason! Then let me see, John McCain begged and groveled for the endorsement of hate mongers Hagee and the leader at Bob Jones University. And guess what we now find out that he even gave money to an organization headed by Faladi, the same Faladi Obama had dinner with! BTW, McCain also was an active member of the Keating 5, remember the S&L crisis from the early 1980s!? Oh, I forgot, Sarah Palin now has no less than four investigations going on about her expensing off her and her family’s travel to the taxpayer. You know, there is so much scandal going on in the McCain-Palin camp that boggles the mind. You neocon artists really need to keep up with your scandal laden canidiates…they are getting sleazier by the second!!

By Elrey Jones

October 31, 2008 9:07 PM | Link to this

Obama has associations with black racists, white Bolsheviks, and American hating terrorists. He is not fit to lead this country. His supporters included millions of black racists. Vote! Vote! McCain is proven while Obama is a leftist shyster.

By Dennis G. Berdanis

October 31, 2008 9:55 PM | Link to this

This election is going to be more than a repudiation of McCain…more even than a repudiation of the Bush family….it’s going to be a statement sent to the NeoCons and a total rejection of their immature world views. We can lick the entire world with one arm tied behind our backs .

By MikeB

October 31, 2008 10:51 PM | Link to this

What most of you people fail to realize is that the “hammer”(U.S.A.) to the “nail” (problems of the world) is how our allies view us…… It is what they want from us….

They do this because they don’t want to deal with the things we step up to the plate for. Sure they send 100 troops in symbolic support(Other than Great Britan) of our efforts. Big deal……..

Our problem is that when we send warriors to do what warriors are supposed to do, what they are trained for, the liberals loose their spines, and therefor put our warriors in harms way while they play political games……

On the subject of Osama Bin Laden……

Did it ever occur to any of you that it would be better to contain him then make a martyr out of him by killing him????

If you know anything about the Koran, and how Bin Laden interperts it, you better believe he would love to die at the hands of the American troops…. He knows there will be 40 Bin Laden wannabe’s ready to take his place. Happy to become Martyrs themselves and perpetuate this neverending cycle…..

Sure the libs will read this and call it fear mongering, but they don’t talk to anyone in the military that has ever set foot in Afg. or Iraq. If they did, they would have already heard this and know alot of intelligence supports this. But hey it does not support their end game, so no matter if its the truth, they will squash it, and get more soldiers killed as a result.

That said……… You wanna blame Bush for screw ups in Iraq fine. Make sure the libs in congress get equal blame for bringing politics to a war. Politics should never be involved once our boots are on the ground….

Once a decision is made to use military force…….. * Let our warriors do what they are trained to do without congressional red-tape.*

This is why Obama is so dangerous. Everything to him is political. he has no experience to know the difference, nor is he inclined to care.

Obama is a dangerous choice for America, just on this issue alone. Never mind discussions about taxes, redistribution of taxpayers wealth, his associations with shady people and terrorists, or his judgement.

McCain-Palin 2008

By josephjsalas

January 2, 2009 9:12 PM | Link to this

The U.N. funny-money masters took hirohito out of power in order to give rise to Sumitomo, Matsui and Mitsubishi. And the Korean War proves it. As for Hitler? Schroder banks of Germany were handed shares of the Fed in ‘33. The Fed partially bankrolled the holocaust. And in the end, both of those nations ended up with UN manipulatable parliament governments. Just like the one we keep heading for. And by the way. The Red sheild banking system of Europe gave rise to Israel. Anyone notice the Israeli bias on Swiss soil Washington DC?

By josephjsalas

January 2, 2009 10:01 PM | Link to this

The U.N. funny-money masters took hirohito out of power in order to give rise to Sumitomo, Matsui and Mitsubishi. And the Korean War proves it. As for Hitler? Schroder banks of Germany were handed shares of the Fed in ‘33. The Fed partially bankrolled the holocaust. And in the end, both of those nations ended up with UN manipulatable parliament governments. Just like the one we keep heading for. And by the way. The Red sheild banking system of Europe gave rise to Israel. Anyone notice the Israeli bias on Swiss soil Washington DC?