Jay Bookman

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 29, 2008 10:57 AM | Link to this

Adam and Steve are Real Americans, too.

They deserve full and equal rights under the Constitution.

By tcoach

October 29, 2008 10:58 AM | Link to this

But Jay the people of California already voted on this. The PEOPLE voted to NOT allow gay marriage. Then the court stepped in and overrulled the PEOPLE’S VOTE.

So Jay are you advocating the courts deciding elections and not caring what or who we vote for.

By Danny the red

October 29, 2008 10:58 AM | Link to this

The rainbow tide. It’s upon us!

(Ain’t that right, Manglement?)

By AJC/DNC Management

October 29, 2008 11:00 AM | Link to this

Andrew Sullivan, bastion of truthfullness.

Yeah, right.

By Copyleft

October 29, 2008 11:03 AM | Link to this

TCoach: Yes, that is what the courts are for. To protect the rights of the minority against the popular will.

Are you saying that 1/3 of our government is illegitimate… or that you just don’t understand checks and balances?

By Swami Dave

October 29, 2008 11:12 AM | Link to this

Ms. Godzilla:

Adam & Steve already have full & equal rights under the Constitution.

Adam has the right to marry a woman. Steve has the same rights. I have that same right. None of the three of us have the right to marry a man. Therefore, we have equal rights.

By tcoach

October 29, 2008 11:17 AM | Link to this

No I am saying why hold the vote if it is only going to be overturned because of the OPINIONS of judges. Why conduct any vote if it is not going to be upheld.

What legal statute did they use as justification of overturning the vote?

Why even have this current vote since the court will overturn it anyway?

Copyleft how would you feel if your vote was taken away? Sounds like you are all for eliminating voting and just let the judges appoint our politicians, and make our laws.

By FrankLeeDarling

October 29, 2008 11:22 AM | Link to this

I think some lions somewhere need feeding

By getalife

October 29, 2008 11:22 AM | Link to this

A divisive issue for the wingnut’s to hate.

In my home town of Las Vegas, they decided if they can put slot machines in airports, they could put voting machines in shopping malls.

Voters say it is very easy, no lines and democracy at its finest.

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 29, 2008 11:22 AM | Link to this

Oh Dave….

No decent man would have you.

Rights Not Available to Same Sex Couples

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 29, 2008 11:28 AM | Link to this

JUDGES HAVE OPINIONS!

STOP THE PRESSES!

WHAT AN OUTRAGEOUS CONCEPT!

By FrankLeeDarling

October 29, 2008 11:30 AM | Link to this

this country is not based on majority rules(mob) it was set up to protect the minority from the majority(mob)

the idea is not to take away peoples rights, it is to protect those rights

By E

October 29, 2008 11:39 AM | Link to this

Science is revealing that sexual orientation in man and many other animals is actually not either-or, male or female, but a continuum along which there are many points, possibilities, and variations, and of course, whether it’s a human or a dog or a frog, individuals have very little control over where they end up along that spectrum.

There are individual frogs which change their sex from one fully functional gender to the other, given the right environments.

There are male dogs when placed in a pack of males chasing a female in heat, show more interest in the other males than in the female.

And there are people with working female reproductive parts which present as square-jawed, fully bearded males absolutely no one would mistake for a female when fully clothed, and vice versa.

And there are all variations between.

Some are postulating that this gender spectrum, which we humans try so hard to conceal, is actually one of our main strengths, keeping us alive and extant, and contributing greatly to our success as a species. Perhaps the old saying, “It takes all kinds to make the world go round” has more factual, scientific validity than anyone ever thought.

It certainly provides one more wedge point between certain religious leaders and science, if not between Jesus’ teachings and at least some of Jesus’ followers.

Obama/Biden ‘08

By RB from Gwinnett

October 29, 2008 11:40 AM | Link to this

Once again, it is pointless to have conversations about issues of moralit with Godless people who have no moral foundation. Pointless.

They want to be able to do anything and everything that suits them regardless of what anybody else thinks about it.

Question libs… If you say Adam and Steve were born that way and therefore it’s ok, do you not also have to make the same case for pedophiles?

By AJC/DNC Management

October 29, 2008 11:46 AM | Link to this

Houston, we got a problem:

Analysts have predicted that new voters, young voters and Hispanic voters will turn out in record numbers in this election. But as Nevadans continue to flock to the polls, turnout among those three groups is lagging, at least in the early going.

But look at all the Repugs!

“What Republicans have been saying is that registration is only half the game, and they have the tried and true model to get people out,” Damore said.-LasVegasJournal

Let’s win one for the Gipper!

By ByteMe

October 29, 2008 11:48 AM | Link to this

Poor RB. Sets up a strawman argument so us libs can set fire to it.

If you say Adam and Steve were born that way and therefore it’s ok, do you not also have to make the same case for pedophiles?

Pedophiles can have sex and marry whoever they want PROVIDED that the person they want to have sex with and/or marry has legal standing to make that decision. Which is to say, in those states where marriage to a 16-year-old is legal, then that is that state’s decision to make it the age of consent.

Us poor godless heathens can kick your a$$ on this argument as long as you stick with facts and don’t fall back on “well it’s an abomination in this 2000-year-old book I read once a long time ago”.

By getalife

October 29, 2008 11:49 AM | Link to this

“Early voting days won’t be extended Handel: No need for weekend.”

Election day will be a disaster in Ga. but to be expected with gop running it.

By Danny the red

October 29, 2008 11:50 AM | Link to this

Once again, it is pointless to have conversations about issues of moralit with Godless people who have no moral foundation.

There’s of course a grain of truth in this, and in opposition to many other Leftists I oppose the effort to ‘naturalize’ homosexuality by arguing for a basis in genetics.

But still, are you sure that it’s absolutely pointless to argue with people without what you see as a moral foundation?

By AmVet

October 29, 2008 11:50 AM | Link to this

Personally, I don’t think anyone is born a pedophile, a murderer or a neo-con.

They just made some horrific choices along the way…

Republican Bloodbath, Part Deux. Coming to an election everywhere next Tuesday.

By Copyleft

October 29, 2008 11:51 AM | Link to this

TCoach: I agree with you. California subjecting the civil rights of married couples to a popular vote was ludicrous.

Civil rights are not subject to majority vote, and the original proposition was an error. This proposition attempts to correct it, but it would be far better handled (as all constitutional-rights questions are) in the courts.

By FrankLeeDarling

October 29, 2008 11:52 AM | Link to this

No RB we a talking consensual here adults only please

and yes I do want “life ,liberty and the pursuit of happiness as long as it does not interfere with someone else

I do not need the believer of some bronze age religion telling me what they think I ought to be doing

By E

October 29, 2008 11:56 AM | Link to this

So…Elisabeth Hasselfreak says Obama’s buying air time tonight is “repulsive”.

This b*tch is a perfect example of how the neanderthal conservatives have dragged the Republican party right over the proverbial cliff! We can only hope they continue to use her as one of their filth-spewing mouthpieces. Every time she opens her mouth, she shows her lack of knowledge on any subject.

Obama/Biden ‘08

By AJC/DNC Management

October 29, 2008 12:00 PM | Link to this

Bite Me: So why do they call them “reproductive organs?”

By Just Wonderin'

October 29, 2008 12:01 PM | Link to this

By RB from Gwinnett October 29, 2008 11:40 AM If you say Adam and Steve were born that way and therefore it’s ok, do you not also have to make the same case for pedophiles?

Are you saying that all Adam and Steve couples are pedophiles, i.e. criminals?

Didn’t think so.

By Mr Snarky

October 29, 2008 12:04 PM | Link to this

That’s a whole lot of evangelicals in that commercial. May God have mercy on their souls for the hatred they convey against their homosexual brothers and sisters. Gay marriage isn’t a threat to my marriage. I’d love to hear from others about how exactly letting Adam and Steve get married threatens your marriage.

By ByteMe

October 29, 2008 12:04 PM | Link to this

AC/DC: Why don’t you tell us?

By Danny the red

October 29, 2008 12:12 PM | Link to this

So why do they call them “reproductive organs?”

But if we’re going to go in that direction, let’s also ask whey men also have breasts and nipples.

By AJC/DNC Management

October 29, 2008 12:14 PM | Link to this

A former Oblahma speech writer, disgusted with her former party-

Here we are discussing Governor Palin’s clothes—oh wait, now we’re on to the make-up—not what either man is going to do to save our economy. This isn’t an accident. It is part of a manufactured narrative that she is stupid.

Governor Palin and I don’t agree on a lot of things, mostly social issues. But I have grown to appreciate the Governor. I was one of those initial skeptics and would laugh at the pictures. Not anymore. When someone takes on a corrupt political machine and a sitting governor, that is not done by someone with a low I.Q. or a moral core made of tissue paper. When someone fights her way to get scholarships and work her way through college even in a jagged line, that shows determination and humility you can’t learn from reading Reinhold Niebuhr.-TheDailyBeast

Welcome to the real world.

By tcoach

October 29, 2008 12:14 PM | Link to this

So Copy, if the people of California do vote again that they do not as a majority in their state want to allow for gay marriages, then what the court steps in again?

Why waste time and money on a second vote, when the first one was thrown out.

It is not nor has it ever been the job of courts to make laws and in this case they made up a law. They did not overturn a new law they made one up. The original law was no gay marriage, then they had a vote and determined to keep it as no gay marriage. Then the courts added a law to allow gay marriage.

Sexuality is a decision made after birth therefor in my opinion it is not a cival rights issue.

So you lefties don’t go nuts. I also think it is a choice to be heterosexual, just as it is a choice to be a “leg man” or an “eyes guy”.

I do not know how I feel about gay marriage. I have feeling for it and against it.

I do have feelings of a waste of time and money. Why take the time or money to re do the vote, if you all say it is unconstitutional. This is the same state asking the government for bailout money and they are having elections that already took place again.

It is not the job of Judges to interject their opinion into rulings. They are allowed to have them all I ask is they are professional enough to leave them at the door to work.

By jon

October 29, 2008 12:17 PM | Link to this

I have an easy solution to all this gay marriage flap. Get government out of marriage all together. Let people make whatever contract, legal or religious, they want, as long as they are consenting adults. Remove all government sanctions, rewards, or penalties.

Thank you. Now I will go on to solving more difficult problems.

By Chris Salzmann

October 29, 2008 12:18 PM | Link to this

Management said: Analysts have predicted that new voters, young voters and Hispanic voters will turn out in record numbers in this election. But as Nevadans continue to flock to the polls, turnout among those three groups is lagging, at least in the early going.

Chris: Obama recently had a rally that numbered between 30K and 45K in Albuquerque, NM. McCain had a rally in the same city that pulled less than 1K. New voters, the youth vote and the Hispanic vote is heavily favoring Obama. That McCain ranch in Sedona, AZ would make a nice retirement home………

By AJC/DNC Management

October 29, 2008 12:18 PM | Link to this

You misuse your “breasts and nipples” too, freak?

By FrankLeeDarling

October 29, 2008 12:23 PM | Link to this

Hey Jon I have a even better idea lets get religion out of all politics.

By RealityKing

October 29, 2008 12:24 PM | Link to this

Marriage, like Baptism, is a rsacred religous belief that can not be separate from the church. Therefore, civil unions are the only way that government can truly separate church from state..

By Just_Me

October 29, 2008 12:25 PM | Link to this

I am always amazed at the ridiculous jump from homosexuality to pedophilia. Fact: most pedophiles are hetero.

Ask any gay man or woman…did you CHOOSE this?

Still not sure? Give me the date and time when YOU woke up and decided, “Hmmm, I think I’ll be attracted to women.” The same way that decision was made for me-it was also made for my gay friends.

If, in fact, the judges were wrong in overturning the “majority’s will,” then we’d still be living under slavery; no women voting (or doing much else, for that matter.) My husband would be strung up and hung for marrying me, a white woman…

Contrary to popular belief, marriage began as a BUSINESS contract. Love had little to do with it.

My gay friends-all in long term relationships- have been with their partners much longer than the oft-divorced-married church-going folks.

I don’t care WHO you marry; it’s none of my damned business.

By Just_Me

October 29, 2008 12:29 PM | Link to this

Poor Ol’ Delusional “AJC” whinerboy.

ONE Obama person comes out against him and the party?

Shall we COUNT the number of “real” republican/conservatives who’ve jumped off the McCrazy-Barbie bandwagon? Who’ve publicly criticized the undynamic duo?

The list grows DAILY.

McInsane’s closest advisors are calling her a DIVA, and yesterday labeled her a “whack job.”

But you cite ONE lonly little Obama person.

Someone, please, if you have time, upload ol delusional one the list…my break is over!

By Joey

October 29, 2008 12:29 PM | Link to this

People on every side of this issue need to be consistant.

If you believe Gore won in 2000 and the courts took it away from him, are you consistant here where you want the courts to be the final word?

Ditto for other viewpoints.

By Chris Salzmann

October 29, 2008 12:32 PM | Link to this

Just_me,

Very good point about most pedophiles being straight. Yeah, just because they allow civil unions for gays, somehow that’s going to make straight people want to turn gay. Yeah, that’s going to make me leave my wife and turn queer! LMAO. When conservatives try to use that logic, it just makes me suspect that many of them are in the closet and that this would be the tipping point for them.

By tcoach

October 29, 2008 12:36 PM | Link to this

Just Me, So who or what is making the decision of a person’s sexuality if it is not that person?

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 29, 2008 12:37 PM | Link to this

Andy….

You ask why they are called reproductive organs.

Simple answer because we can reproduce using them.

DO you believe sex is for procreation only?

Do you have any kids?

If not, you best be a virgin.

By Will

October 29, 2008 12:45 PM | Link to this

I insist on one thing to accompany the the ability to marry whomever or whatever one chooses.

That divorce be just as difficult and costly for everyone else as it is for heterosexuals.

By Abomi Nation

October 29, 2008 12:45 PM | Link to this

Typical cowardly behavior once again being exhibited from some our Christian Republican friends. Doing battle for Jesus the easy way.

They throw the whole weight of the Bible against a very small minority, 5 percent of the population. At the same time they give themselves a massive waiver. They can pretend to do “God’s work” by repeating a couple of lines in the Bible over and over and over.

Remember divorce? Strange how you never see anti-divorce amendments. Jesus personally said divorce is an abomination. Unlike Homosexuality, divorce is most certainly 100% choice.

I guess some people have to bully others to make them feel better about themselves. The hypocrisy is staggering.

I think allowing divorce was the first step in a process that will one day give people the right to marry and divorce animals.

By AJC/DNC Management

October 29, 2008 12:54 PM | Link to this

By Mrs. Godzilla October 29, 2008 12:37 PM DO you believe sex is for procreation only?

Duhzilla: Ever wonder why the two fit together so well?

Ever wonder why the joining of sperm and egg creates a human life?

Seems to me like they were created for a specific purpose, don’t it?

Do you think reproduction is a secondary activity?

By Abomi Nation

October 29, 2008 12:59 PM | Link to this

Why does McCain get a Christian waiver? Where are the anti-McCain ads?

John McCain’s divorce was the ultimate abomination. Despicable. Its in the Bible. Jesus said so. His divorce was a choice.

Waiver granted?

By AJC/DNC Management

October 29, 2008 12:59 PM | Link to this

By Just_Me October 29, 2008 12:29 PM Poor Ol’ Delusional “AJC” whinerboy. ONE Obama person comes out against him and the party?

I believe there might be more than one:

If current survey trends continue, Obama will finish with less than 50 percent in the polls.

bwa

By tcoach

October 29, 2008 1:01 PM | Link to this

If this same sex marriage thing does pass, I call first dibs on AJC/DNC Management. He is darned cute!

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 29, 2008 1:08 PM | Link to this

Yes, ANDY, I think procreation is a secondary activity.

I am amazed AND delighted that all the bits and parts fit together so well. (Especially after all these years…)

I answered your question.

You answer mine.

Do you have a wife? kids?

By Paul

October 29, 2008 1:17 PM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla 11:22

Good link.

I’ll offer this thought again: the “left” calls for gay “marriage” and the right opposes gay “marriage.” Yet many on both sides agree that if a couple wants to have a union with all the rights and responsibilities of marriage, it’s fine with them.

But do the leaders of the proponent or opponent groups call for that? No. Because then the donations stop poring in. And the leaders lose power. So it’s to their advantage to keep the polarization strong.

Just pick another noun, something other than ‘marriage’, let people live their lives and move on to some other issue.

Just good luck with overcoming that Money and Power thing.

By Copyleft

October 29, 2008 1:22 PM | Link to this

Joey: There’s no inconsistency; it involves understanding the court’s jurisdiction.

Determining how to run an election is the state’s job. Determining which laws violate a minority’s constitutional rights is the court’s job.

See the difference? It’s not as simple as “The courts are the final authority on everything!” the way some simpleminded folks would like to claim. It’s a matter of understanding what the courts can and cannot do.

Frank and Jon are onto some good ideas: get the government out of the marriage business, or get the religious junk out of government entirely.

By TN Gelding

October 29, 2008 1:27 PM | Link to this

How could gays destroy the sanctitiy of marriage?

Heterosexuals have already accomplished that. Maybe they could show us how it’s supposed to be done. Love and let love.

I would think that the Almighty would look down on a gay union of love more favorably than a straight one of lust.

This vote would amend the CA constitution.

I was expecting a solicitation at the end.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 29, 2008 1:27 PM | Link to this

The point isn’t whether there is victim involved or not, the point is if you say Adam and Steve were born that way, you have to say the same about pedophiles. That doesn’t make it right. What if the kid likes it? Does that make it OK?

If I drive 120 on the freeway and don’t run into anybody else, is that OK? I’m not bothering anybody else. Next thing you know, you sicko’s will be hauling livestock into court to testify they don’t mind being sodomized. There has to be limits on decency in any society. At least in a civilized society. But when you have no moral foundation, I guess you think everything is fair game.

Obama ‘08 - Asking what your country can do for you!!!

By Just_Me

October 29, 2008 1:30 PM | Link to this

tcoach: Genetics can play a part. Certainly when a child is in utero, how their dna is arranged….the same way your happy little chromosomes organized themselves to determine your body type, hair color, skin tone, etc. is the same way scientists now believe sexuality is determined.

Makes total sense for those of us who understand and have studied science (but I forget: the repubs are the party of the dinos as human pets club)

Are you aware that homosexuality in animals is a common occurance?

Also: The Weekly Reader-that bastion of children’s news has been correct in predicting the outcome of the last 12 of 13 elections.

They released the results today.

http://www.weeklyreader.com/election/index.asp

I’d take a valium if I were supporting McCrazy-Idiot.

And..for those who’d blow it off: it makes total sense-kids spout and will “vote” for the person their hear their parents espousing. I listened to my third through fifth grade groups discussing it all week.

;-)

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 29, 2008 1:34 PM | Link to this

RB

Are Republicans born or made?

By Just_Me

October 29, 2008 1:35 PM | Link to this

tcoach: Genetics can play a part. Certainly when a child is in utero, how their dna is arranged….the same way your happy little chromosomes organized themselves to determine your body type, hair color, skin tone, etc. is the same way scientists now believe sexuality is determined.

Makes total sense for those of us who understand and have studied science (but I forget: the repubs are the party of the dinos as human pets club)

Are you aware that homosexuality in animals is a common occurance?

Also: The Weekly Reader-that bastion of children’s news has been correct in predicting the outcome of the last 12 of 13 elections.

They released the results today.

http://www.weeklyreader.com/election/index.asp

I’d take a valium if I were supporting McCrazy-Idiot.

And..for those who’d blow it off: it makes total sense-kids spout and will “vote” for the person their hear their parents espousing. I listened to my third through fifth grade groups discussing it all week.

;-)

By TN Gelding

October 29, 2008 1:36 PM | Link to this

Amen, brother!

By RB from Gwinnett

October 29, 2008 1:37 PM | Link to this

Just_an idiot

Are you aware animals eat each other without remorse and eat their own crap?

Good analogy dimwit. Maybe you just haven’t evolved as far as the rest of us, eh?

By Joey

October 29, 2008 1:39 PM | Link to this

Copy (1:22); O.K. But help me understand.

Are you saying that the courts did not have jurisdiction in the 2000 presidential election or that they did not have jurisdiction in the California right to marry ruling.

By AmVet

October 29, 2008 1:41 PM | Link to this

Homosexuality has been around forever. You neo-con ostriches should read some of the stuff from the ancient Greeks and Romans and you would realize it.

Most normal,adjusted adults see the pragmatic approach to simply accepting it and moving on.

But the religious nuts and sex police of the American far right fringe have never let pragmatism stand in the way of their dogmatism.

Give up the prohibition cr@ap about everything you don’t like, you hung up, out of touch and intolerant loons.

It is just one of the many reasons you are so unpopular with 21st century America…

By Taxpayer

October 29, 2008 1:42 PM | Link to this

Mrs. G,

Some of them may be hatched, others discovered, but no one in their right mind would invent one —Republican, that is.

By Copyleft

October 29, 2008 1:45 PM | Link to this

As I already said:

The Supreme Court’s jurisdiction does not include state election processes.

A state supreme court’s jurisdiction DOES include constiutional rights, as in the gay-marriage issue.

By TN Gelding

October 29, 2008 1:47 PM | Link to this

Paul

October 29, 2008 1:17 PM

Amen, brother!

Why ruin a good relationship with marriage anyway?

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 29, 2008 1:48 PM | Link to this

Taxpayer

You may have a point.

By Just_Me

October 29, 2008 1:48 PM | Link to this

My friend just sent me this. I am doing an Andy thing, just C/P-but this sucker is LONG. Nearly 40- the only “democrat” (a hillocrat)who jumped ship is that titled bimbo who, once she opened her mouth, removed all doubt about her stupidity….

conservatives/republicans have hopped the fence,stopped drinking the kool-aid, pick your metaphor….

From Republicans for Obama http://www.republicansforobama.org/?q=node/3341

Republicans and Conservatives Endorsing Barack

Fri, 10/17/2008 - 12:45am — John Martin

Here’s a recap of some of the biggest Republicans, Republicans-turned-independents, and conservatives who have come out to support Barack for President.

Elected Officials:

Jim Leach, Former Congressman from Iowa

Lincoln Chafee, Former United States Senator from Rhode Island

William Weld, Former Governor of Massachusetts

Arne Carlson, Former Governor of Minnesota

Wayne Gilchrest, Congressman from Maryland

Charles Mathias, Former Congressman from Maryland

Larry Pressler, Former Senator from South Dakota

Richard Riordan, Former Mayor of Los Angeles

Lowell Weicker, Former Governor and Senator from Connecticut

Jim Whitaker, Fairbanks, Alaska Mayor

Linwood Holton, Former Governor of Virginia

Government Officials:

Colin Powell, Secretary of State under Bush 43

Douglas Kmiec, Head of the Office of Legal Counsel under Reagan & Bush 41

Charles Fried, Solicitor General of the United States under Reagan

Jackson M. Andrews, Former Counsel to the U.S. Senate, & 1986 Republican Senatorial Nominee for Kentucky

Susan Eisenhower, Granddaughter of President Eisenhower & President of the Eisenhower Group

Francis F*******, Advisor to President Reagan

Rita Hauser, Former White House intelligence advisor under George W. Bush

Larry Hunter, Former President Reagan Policy Advisor

Scott McClellan, Former Press Secretary to President George W. Bush

Bill Ruckelshaus, served in the Nixon and Reagan administrations

Ken Adelman, served in the Ford administration

“The most important decision John McCain made in his long campaign was deciding on a running mate. That decision showed appalling lack of judgment… that selection contradicted McCain’s main two, and best two, themes for his campaign— Country First, and experience counts. Neither can he credibly claim, post-Palin pick.”

Lilibet Hagel, Wife of Republican Senator Chuck Hagel (who also hasn’t been “kind” to Mc-P)

Bruce Rabb, served in the Nixon administration

George C. Lodge, Assistant Secretary of Labor under President Eisenhower

William B. Ewald, Jr., Special Assistant under President Eisenhower

Robert R. Bowie, Assistant Secretary for Policy Planning, Department of state 1953-1957

Jarold Kieffer, Assistant Secretary, Health, Education & Welfare, 1959-61

Roswell B. Perkins, Assistant Secretary, Health, Education & Welfare, 1954-56

Timothy Ashby, served in the Reagan and Bush 41 administrations

Columnists and Academics:

Jeffrey Hart, National Review Senior Editor

Andrew Bacevich, Professor of International Relations at Boston University

David Friedman, Economist and son of Milton and Rose Friedman

Christopher Buckley, Son of National Review founder William F. Buckley & former NR columnist

Andrew Sullivan, Columnist for the Atlantic Monthly

Wick Alison, Former publisher of the National Review

“I made the maximum donation to John McCain during the primaries, when there was still hope he might come to his senses. But I now see that Obama is almost the ideal candidate for this moment in American history.”

Michael Smerconish, Columnist for the Philadelphia Enquirer

CC Goldwater, Granddaughter of Barry Goldwater

“

By Abomi Nation

October 29, 2008 1:51 PM | Link to this

Just say no to McCain.

God made “Adam and Eve.” Not “Adam and Cindy.”

Adam would never have been allowed to divorce a very sick Eve so he could marry a very rich Cindy.

The Bible calls that an abomination.

By Just_Me

October 29, 2008 1:52 PM | Link to this

RB (I have some ideas of what that stands for, but can’t/won’t print it here).

Your analogy is beyond ridiculous.

HEY! Here’s an idea! Why don’t we pray out the gay on the animals, too!

Newsflash: homo sapiens, are in fact ANIMALS. Some more evolved than others (You, with your lack of intellect are in the “other” catagory.)

Idiot-someone who cannot perceive that perhaps there are biological or physiological reasons for people BEING as they are.

You calling me an ‘idiot,’ is a badge of honor….I would HATE to be what you think is “smart…” I am sure you think Mc-P and Bush are the epitome of intelligence, and rational thought…

Go call the witch doctor…it seems you are under a spell. I am sure Sarah can give you his number.

It is laughable that you don’t understand science.

Flat Earth, anyone? Did your ancestors ride the dinos, like Sarah’s too?

By tcoach

October 29, 2008 1:55 PM | Link to this

Just me I am aware of animals haing homosexual tendancies. Yet they have not found animals that are exclusivly homosexual. Animals by nature are instinctivly sexual beings.

In your own argument you say scientist believe. So it is only a hypothesis until it is proven we should not act or react as if it is truth.

My issue is not with gay or not. My issue is that a state that only a few short weeks ago asked the national government to give them our tax dollars, because they were going bankrupt. Now is having another vote for an issue that had already been voted on. Why just gleeful spend money.

By AJC/DNC Management

October 29, 2008 2:05 PM | Link to this

Just a dimwit: Good for you picking off all of the RINOs, but uh:

Democrats for McCain

Prominent Democrats and Independents who have joined Citizens for McCain:

Former Phoenix Mayor Paul Johnson (Arizona)

Former Arizona State Legislator Phil Hubbard (Arizona)

Mammoth Mayor Craig Williams (Arizona)

Former Arizona LULAC Director Ray Gans (Arizona)

Democratic 25th Precinct Chair Silverio “Silver” Salazar (Colorado)

Adviser to Democratic Presidential Candidates and Georgetown University Professor Robert Lieber (District of Columbia)

Blogger on HillaryClinton.com Renee Slater (Florida)

Former Sheriff of Highlands County Howard Godwin (Florida)

Jewish Outreach Adviser to Senator Hillary Clinton Rabbi Cheryl Jacobs

Georgia Political Director for Gore-Lieberman ‘00 Joseph O’Farrell Jr. (Georgia)

Former Democratic Des Moines County Chair Bruce Shulte (Illinois)

Former State Representative Brian Golden (Massachusetts)

Commander of Newport Memorial-VFW Post 1119 Francis Harding, Jr. (Maine)

Former Palmyra Budget Committee Member Herb Bates (Maine)

Former Lt. Governor and State Supreme Court Justice Alexander “Sandy” Keith (Minnesota)

Former U.S Representative and 2002 Independence Party gubernatorial candidate Tim Penny (Minnesota)

Former State Representative Steve Wenzel (Minnesota)

City Clerk Judi May (Mississippi)

County Supervisor Gary Dearman (Mississippi)

Alderman Bill Mosby (Mississippi)

Former State Representative Jim Gamache (Missouri)

Presiding Commissioner in New Madrid County, Clyde Hawes (Missouri)

Former Concord Mayor Bill Veroneau (New Hampshire)

Former Democratic Mayor of Waterford Township George Fallon (New J ersey)

Former Democratic Committeeman in Warren Township Jeffrey Golkin (New Jersey)

Former State Chair of Environmentalists for Clinton-Gore 1992 Roberta Weisbrod (New York)

Former Majority Leader in the State Senate David Carlin (Rhode Island)

Former Texas Democratic Party Chairman Roy Orr (Texas)

Elected National Delegate for Senator Hillary Clinton Debra Bartoshevich (Wisconsin)

Former Democratic gubernatorial candidate Philip Frye (West Virginia)

Democrat Miguel D. Lausell who is a leading Latino backer of Hillary Clinton.

By TN Gelding

October 29, 2008 2:12 PM | Link to this

AJC/DNC Management

October 29, 2008 2:05 PM

Who? I’m underwhelmed.

By AmVet

October 29, 2008 2:13 PM | Link to this

Flat Earth, anyone? Did your ancestors ride the dinos, like Sarah’s too?

Just_Me, that reminds me of the “Creation Museum” aka Creationist Disneyland in Kentucky that opened a couple of years ago.

Talk about out and out loons!

Beyond belief…

By ByteMe

October 29, 2008 2:17 PM | Link to this

AC/DC: Wow. That was one pathetic list you just copied-and-pasted. Not a single person ANYONE would recognize outside of their respectively very small spheres of influence.

Former Democratic Committeeman in Warren Township…

Seriously?? You’re trying to create a “false equivalence” and it’s not even a good attempt.

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 29, 2008 2:18 PM | Link to this

HEY ANDY

Do you have a wife and kids?

By demwit

October 29, 2008 2:20 PM | Link to this

As we are now also discovering in whales, males turning into females is the preferd method of evolution when the oppisite sex is no longer an option.

Perhps we should exhast nature’s suggestions first? Ms. Copyleft??

By Paul

October 29, 2008 2:27 PM | Link to this

Copyleft

[[The Supreme Court’s jurisdiction does not include state election processes.]]

You may want to reread Bush v Gore.

Mrs. Godzilla

Just for fun on the Obama tax cut calculator I put in “Single, making over $250k.” At first I thought the link froze, then I scrolled up and read in a little box “You probably won’t get a tax cut under the Obama-Biden plan.”

LOL! Talk about understated spin! They could’ve scored points by saying “Hold on, buddy, you’re gonna get hosed! But you’ll feel patriotic!” Or better yet, “BOHICA!”

Probably won’t get Give me a break. Glad they’re not calling themselves “Straight talk express.”

As I said, funny link.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 29, 2008 2:35 PM | Link to this

Just_afool, I have a degree in engineering and graduated with honors, so I don’t really think you want to challenge me on science. I’m fully aware of the difference between scientific fact and scientific theory. Are you?

FACT: Scientists must cling to their theory of evolution even without any reasonable evidence of it to avoid having to admit there might be a God who created it. No missing link, no evidence of there ever being a genetic mutation that ADDS to the DNA string (required for evolution). You want me to go on or would you like to admit that you, like the “scientists”, must believe in evolution to avoid facing your maker?

Like sheep off a cliff…

By Paul

October 29, 2008 2:46 PM | Link to this

RB from Gwinnett

You may be interested in the National Geographic Article “Was Darwin Wrong?”

[[ Each of these theories is an explanation that has been confirmed to such a degree, by observation and experiment, that knowledgeable experts accept it as fact. That’s what scientists mean when they talk about a theory: not a dreamy and unreliable speculation, but an explanatory statement that fits the evidence. They embrace such an explanation confidently but provisionally—taking it as their best available view of reality, at least until some severely conflicting data or some better explanation might come along. ]]

I think that’s the difficulty with creationism - the whole “faith as a basis” thing. Observable evidence.

BTW - many scientists believe in God. And many religions don’t see an inherent conflict between evolution and “creation.”

Link: Was Darwin Wrong?

By mm

October 29, 2008 2:51 PM | Link to this

Good one Jay.

As if the bible thumping wingnuts weren’t already teetering near the edge, this one will send them over it.

They just don’t get it.

Hey wingnuts. You can’t shove your religious beliefs down everyone’s throat. And until you mind your own business, the GOP will continue to lose more and more power.

I hope the next step for congress is to take away the tax exemption from churches since they have gotten so involved in politics. You do know why they are tax exempt, don’t you?

By Copyleft

October 29, 2008 2:53 PM | Link to this

A lot of engineers think they understand science, and specifically evolution. They don’t, of course.

Paul: I have read Bush v. Gore. It was incorrect when it claimed that they had the right to rule on Florida’s election processes.

The Court was also wrong in a 2005 decision to restrict ballot access of third parties to protect a “two-party system” with no basis in our Constitution. What of it?

By Taxpayer

October 29, 2008 2:56 PM | Link to this

Hey Andy,

Would you kindly answer Mrs. G, Do you have a wife and kids? Come on, take one for the Gipper. You’re amongst friends here.

By Ramblin Retiree

October 29, 2008 3:04 PM | Link to this

Hey RB. I have three degrees in engineering and I got two of them while working full time and I even got the honors thing to boot. I like science. Let’s talk science.

By getalife

October 29, 2008 3:07 PM | Link to this

When a top McCain adviser labels Palin a “whack job” and yet they still vote for them, are they “real Americans” putting “country first”?

By Paul

October 29, 2008 3:08 PM | Link to this

Copyleft

Well, one may disagree with the law, but it’s still the law. I believe they said Florida’s processes conflicted with Constitutional protections.

I’m not sure to which case you’re referring. But I’ve held for a long time ‘the system’ is stacked against anyone running outside of the two parties. I rather think full Federal funding of elections would begin to break that apart. But that’s theory. Reality is, it ain’t gonna happen.

By Paul

October 29, 2008 3:14 PM | Link to this

getalife 3:07

Are you sure you want to come on a political blog (particularly this one) and criticize “whack jobs?”

:-)

By Taxpayer

October 29, 2008 3:20 PM | Link to this

I think elections should be held using more fair and cost-effective methodology. Rock-Paper-Scissors to narrow down the field to the last two candidates followed by clubs. And none of this slingshot thing either. That’s just not fair.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 29, 2008 3:24 PM | Link to this

Paul, I have heard about that one before. What else would you expect NG to say?

Again, scientists who do not believe in God must make evolution as real as possible to avoid God. I make no boes about the difficulty in having faith in a God I can’t see or touch. I get that. However, it takes every bit as much faith to believe in evolution.

I also don’t get why liberals think you either have to beleive in religion or science. I guess because they don’t have the mental bandwidth to handle both.

Things change. People are taller than they were 100 years ago, but their DNA hasn’t changed. Going from mouse to human requires an addition to the DNA. We’ve seen countless birth defects that subtract from the DNA, but never have we seen a random improvement. But somehow people believe it has happened enough to have gone from ameoba to human. That’s gotta take some faith.

Or they could just be trying to avoid God.

By RealityKing

October 29, 2008 3:34 PM | Link to this

One year ago, a promise was made, a pledge to accept public financing and work together to ensure that everyone operated within the same scope.

But now.., someone is rolling in dough earned on that broken promise. Someone is using dishonest dough to buy up very expensive primetime infomercials. And evidently, someone is thinking that Americans don’t value promises of the past at all.

So let’s all be real sure to tune in tonight, and watch this obvious liar make us even more promises on the future…

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 29, 2008 3:34 PM | Link to this

RB

How about those of us who believe evolution and God are not mutually exclusive?

How about those scientists that believe the same thing?

By lrd

October 29, 2008 3:38 PM | Link to this

If the flu can keep getting deadlier and dealier do to the strain mutating, is that God just trying to kill us, or is it that the flu bacteria is an organism evolving?

By Paul

October 29, 2008 3:40 PM | Link to this

RB from Gwinnett

[[I also don’t get why liberals think you either have to believe in religion or science]]

I’m not much for either/or setups. That to me is usually an indication that something’s being avoided. When faced with two from which to choose, I generally pick a third.

I believe the Catholic Church doesn’t see conflict between science and religion, although they do talk about the difference of man’s spirit as creation. I once read where an LDS official said they believe ‘man’ was divinely created, but the processes God used in that creation is open to conjecture. Protestants are probably all over the map.

Werner von Braun had a plaque on his desk - might’ve been on the wall, I forget - but it was a quote from Romans “The creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God.” I like that - creation’s done, it’s waiting for Man to figure it out.

By Paul

October 29, 2008 3:46 PM | Link to this

RB

Oh, and I think there are plenty of conservatives who “think you either have to believe in religion or science”

Ird

Any stats on who gets the flu more? Dems or Reps?

That’ll tell ya’ who God’s after…

:-)

By AJC/DNC Management

October 29, 2008 3:48 PM | Link to this

Frank has found a comfortable home in McCain’s speeches in the campaign’s closing days, as one of three congressional Democrats McCain picks out by name as he warns his audience to resist Democratic control of both the executive and legislative branches. McCain mentions Frank along with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate majority leader Hairy Reed.-Boston.com

The Three Blind Freaks of Fascism and their dimwit lapdog, scary, isn’t it?

By RB from Gwinnett

October 29, 2008 3:58 PM | Link to this

Man will never figure it out. God could as easily provide proof of himself as he created each of the hairs on your head, but to do so would eliminate the requirement of FAITH. It’s easy to believe in something that can be proven. That doesn’t require any effort or commitment from anyone.

Faith requires man to act.

Think about how much faith it takes to believe the complexity of the eye happened by chance. Somehow the creature created ears to hear, yet didn’t know sound existed? Decided one day it would be good to have not 1, but 2 eyes to see and POOF, it had eyes.

It’s harder to believe that than to believe in God. Much harder.

You know, I’ll bet Darwin believes in God now.

By @@

October 29, 2008 3:58 PM | Link to this

Well jay, I know of one case in New Jersey where a lesbian couple sued the Methodist Church for not allowing them the use of their facilities. After filing their lawsuit another lawsuit followed.

Church rejects couple’s bid for ceremony at facility Lesbians file lawsuit in dispute over civil union by the ocean

So in some instances, that is the case.

Have you not SEEN some of those who march in San Francisco’s Gay Pride Parade? They most definitely will be pushing the envelope.

Proposition 2 is interesting! Farm animals (chickens in particular) should be free to roam before their heads are chopped off. The state agricultural department is warning that it could cost California industry and jobs, not to mention the price of chicken and eggs will increase.

But what the hey……HAY? the chickens will live the good live before………….WHACK!

Now veal, that’s a whole different ballgame. I’d support a nationwide ban on veal. They’re babies — they need their mommas.

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 29, 2008 4:01 PM | Link to this

ANDY

Married? Kids?

By Lord Help Us

October 29, 2008 4:03 PM | Link to this

Andy, please remember that we are still a nation at war.

Your new Commander in Chief will need your continued support.

We will all be looking for your postings supporting the President Elect ( McCain OR Obama) and endlessly, obsessively, shamelessly denigrating any who dare question our new Commander in Chief while this nation is at war.

Can I count on ya?

By Taxpayer

October 29, 2008 4:05 PM | Link to this

Andy, we know you are out there. After all, you’re talking about your three BFF’s. Now, come on and answer Mrs. G. I don’t know this for a fact but I’ve heard that she doesn’t bite and like I said earlier, you’re amongst friends here. Have a little faith.

By getalife

October 29, 2008 4:05 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Well we do have Andy :)

From deep in McCain country, Bartcop:

“The 25 Worst Quotes about Palin by my good friend Dan Kurtzman

Excerpt: (my favorites)

How in the world can “real Americans” vote “country first” for another “whack job”?

By Darren

October 29, 2008 4:10 PM | Link to this

I must admit, I used to feel a little guilty about not taking my family to church on Sundays. Though both my wife and I grew up Baptist, neither of us ever really attended a regular church since moving down from Virginia. But when we had kids several years back, we felt a pull to get them involved. However, based on what I have seen over the last decade or so from so-called Christians around this country, I have no regrets over not getting my family into a church. Never, NEVER will I get my children involved in anything that encourages them to grow up to believe in the religious sickness I see promoted by the Republican Party. As far as I’m concerned, Dobson and the rest of the Baptists and Evangelicals have nothing, NOTHING, to do with the teachings of Jesus Christ.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 29, 2008 4:12 PM | Link to this

LHU, you can’t count on us supporting Obama every bit as much as Jay Bookman has supported Bush.

Count on it!

Obama ‘08 - Hoping for a new pair of Air Jordans and some baggy pants!

By JohnF

October 29, 2008 4:12 PM | Link to this

RB in Gwinnet,

your degree in engineering makes you no more knowledgable of evolution than someone with a business degree or a degree in english.

and faith is for sheep.

By Dennis

October 29, 2008 4:14 PM | Link to this

Copy (1:45): I see. You disagree with the Court regarding Bush. Apparently you and Paul disagree.

I don’t know enough to debate the issue. I am just pleased that Bush has been our President for the last 7+ years.

By ByteMe

October 29, 2008 4:19 PM | Link to this

@@: Your little link has a few problems. It wasn’t the Lesbians who filed suit; it was the owners of the pavilion filing a pre-emptive suit against the state. The lesbian couple filed a complaint with the state that’s being investigated.

And to top it off: “Camp Meeting Association is not a part of the Methodist Church,” she said. “It is a non-profit organization that chooses to follow the tenets of the Methodist Church’s Book of Discipline.”

So, you basically didn’t read the article.

But I like the idea of chickens running around. It’s not an efficient way to run a chicken farm, but it’ll certainly make the view more interesting. And make it harder to keep the smell in one place. Wonder if they thought about that?

By Lord Help Us

October 29, 2008 4:20 PM | Link to this

Good Heavens, RB!!!

Are there any REAL Patriots on the right? You turkeys (Sorry, Thanksgiving is just around the corner…) have been playing the ‘patriotism’ charge since the Iraq War started.

Was it all BS?

By RB from Gwinnett

October 29, 2008 4:20 PM | Link to this

JohnF,

Could you please go back and show me where I claimed it did?

One of the lightweights here spouted off something about science. I’ll gladly debate science with you if you’re up for it, although your reading comprehension points to a short discussion.

And I’m thrilled to be a part of God’s flock. Thanks for the reference.

BTW, you do know belief in evolution takes faith too, right? Unless you have some proof, of course. Do you or is it still a THEORY?

By lrd

October 29, 2008 4:23 PM | Link to this

Well on science, if one considers the Human Genome project, that via DNA tracking, humans migrated out of Africa. Now if we are created in His image, does that mean God is a black man?

Sidenote: our family has done the DNA tracking it is quite fascinating to see the different branches coming from america, to greenland, to denmark to eastern europe to the Sinai Penisula etc. Amazing how far we have come as a race, and how far we still to go…

By Andy's Worst Nightmare

October 29, 2008 4:31 PM | Link to this

Maybe you just haven’t evolved as far as the rest of us, eh?

What RB, now you believe in Evolution? Make up your freakin’ mind.

By the way, Andy is a dead beat dad. What a shining example of his party.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 29, 2008 4:38 PM | Link to this

LordHelpYou 4:20.

Um, what are you babbling about?

Andy’s Worst,

See comment above about reading comprehension.

Obama ‘08 - Hoping for a year’s supply of scratch off tickets!

By Lord Help Us

October 29, 2008 4:42 PM | Link to this

RB, you know what I am ‘babbling about.’

Good Dodge…coward.

You and your ilk played the patriotism card with righteous indignation toward anyone that dared to criticize Bush (remember, ‘emboldening our enemies’).

Most of us knew it was all hooey and over the next several months you and other narrow-minded hypocrites will continuously prove us right.

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 29, 2008 4:43 PM | Link to this

Have a little fun….

They have added new stuff to this….Palin as President

By Paul

October 29, 2008 4:47 PM | Link to this

@@ 3:58

Consideration for chickens, followed by [[Now veal, that’s a whole different ballgame. I’d support a nationwide ban on veal. They’re babies — they need their mommas.]]

Hey! People eat unborn chickens! They don’t even get to to be born to even know their mommas! Ban the eating of aborted chickens! And for those sticklers who say no roosters are present, well, that’s just another unnatural indignity!

Getalife

[[“I need to know if she really thinks that dinosaurs were here 4,000 years ago. Because she’s gonna have the nuclear codes.” Matt Damon]]

Damon got punked by an urban legend.

But I still like his Bourne movies.

Time for a new thread, Jay.

By Soothsayer

October 29, 2008 4:53 PM | Link to this

Evolution—anyone who can look at Terry Bradshaw and NOT believe in evolution is lacking in mental faculties. He is the “missing link.”

Gay Marriage—If you’re against gay marriage, don’t marry a gay person.

Next question.

By Taxpayer

October 29, 2008 4:54 PM | Link to this

RB,

Do you believe that “man” is unchanged?

By Paul

October 29, 2008 5:01 PM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla

And even more fun:

Link: Time for some campaignin’

I understand the Obama camp was not amused. They need to get less serious and more humorous.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 29, 2008 5:07 PM | Link to this

Lord Forgive Him,

Do you understand the difference in disagreeing with the POTUS and calling him a liar constantly for 7.5 years, calling our troops baby killers, accusing Bush of executing 9/11, voting to cut off funding while they’re at war, fighting for the rights of enemy captives while spitting on our soldiers, and all the other crap we’ve listened to from you pathetic whiners, don’t you?

Patriots don’t turn their back on their own. You maggots have. There is a difference.

But I suppose you would have negotiated with Japan after Pearl Harbor too, wouldn’t you?

By TN Gelding

October 29, 2008 5:33 PM | Link to this

Copyleft

October 29, 2008 2:53 PM

Congress should have ruled on the Florida election in 2000.

The Supremes should have refused to hear the appeal.

By GodHatesTrash

October 29, 2008 5:48 PM | Link to this

These fundies are idiots. Superstitious, bewitched and bedeviled idiots.

Pure and simple, end of discussion.

By TN Gelding

October 29, 2008 6:11 PM | Link to this

Dennis

October 29, 2008 4:14 PM

What would it take to displease you?

By AJC/DNC and RW's Daddy

October 29, 2008 6:21 PM | Link to this

But I suppose you would have negotiated with Japan after Pearl Harbor too, wouldn’t you?

FDR kicked Japan’s a* in much less time than it takes W to say “Your either agin us or wit us. Missionary position accomplished.

You mentioned evolved, neanderthal.

By TN Gelding

October 29, 2008 6:28 PM | Link to this

RB from Gwinnett

October 29, 2008 5:07 PM

Don’t you need two competing armies to have a war?

Petraeus is paying the Sons Of Iraq and is planning on doing something similar in Afghanistan and Pakistan with the Taliban and al Qaeda. Talk is cheap…and effective.

I’m new to this blog but I doubt very seriously if anyone called our troops baby killers and I’m not aware of anyone spitting on them.

I do hold military personnel who have refused to participate in this latest carnage in high esteem.

By TN Gelding

October 29, 2008 7:31 PM | Link to this

GA CHANGED TO TOSS UP.