Atlanta Opinion

By BDAtlanta

October 28, 2008 7:10 AM | Link to this

Mmmmmm. Can you smell the Landslide? Sweet redemption.

Mwuahahahaha!

By hillbilly ragger

October 28, 2008 7:11 AM | Link to this

Ew. That Karl Rove link is NSFW.

By hillbilly ragger

October 28, 2008 7:20 AM | Link to this

But like, heez Soshulist!

Parshul ‘bortion BAYBEEZ gone git Kilt!

Twenty years at the RACIST CHURCH!

I want a STRONG DADDY PREZNIT LIKE JEEBUS W. BUSH! We all GONE DAHHHHH!

< /wingnuts, for the remaining week >

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 28, 2008 7:22 AM | Link to this

The Fat lady has not sung YET.

But she’s warming up.

HAVE YOU ALL VOTED?

Have you taken Grannie and Auntie Loretta to their polling places?

Stay focused ladies and gentlemen.

By Lord Help Us

October 28, 2008 7:23 AM | Link to this

Amen!!!

I remain amazed that seemingly decent, intelligent citizens of this country, having experienced the national nightmare of the past 8 years, STILL do not hold the Republican party accountable.

There is always some Fox nex segment about a hearing in 2004 on Freddie and FAnnie, or a 2001 statement from Obama ( taken out of context ) or some other trivial nugget that the right wing echo chamber somehow implants in otherwise normal brains. Like Pavlov’s dogs, they begin salivating, as if this revelation, at last, is going to reveal they have been right all along about the evil, socialist, commie, Democrats.

There are definitely Democrats that have made mistakes, but do not fool yourselves…

It is the Republican party that has held the Executive branch for 20 of the last 28 years…It is the Republican party that has had a majority in Congress for 10 of the last 12 years…And, it is the Republican party that has nominated the majority of our Judicial branch.

My question is: How much control of our Government does the Republican party need for these people to hold them accountable?

January can not come soon enough…

By AJC/DNC Management

October 28, 2008 7:25 AM | Link to this

It is an ugly scene for the Republican faithful, and it doesn�t help much to see its two �running mates� running in opposite directions, with Sarah Palin now clearly setting her eyes on the prize in 2012.

Only problem with that is…………….they haven’t counted the vote yet.

Even the most naive, uneducated child knows not to count your chickens before they hatch.

By Bud Wiser

October 28, 2008 7:29 AM | Link to this

Yes Jay, you are correct.

One week from today, a new power structure will begin to emerge from the confusion and division of the past year. New leaders will assume new positions, promising new directions and results. It�s time. It�s past time.

The socialists will have made their last stand, having suffered a crushing psychological as well as electoral defeat, and will seek elsewhere, maybe Venezuela, to make another last stand.

I myself will be off to Maine for my annual animal-in-the-woods hunt-and-kill ritual, laughing my arse at you misguided liberals all of the way. We will be avoiding major cities on our way, hoping to bypass the expected riots, looting and burning, by the unhappy Obamaniacs.

Frankly I’d rather be here playing golf in this beautiful fall Georgia weather (BTW, no report on the Sunday score, senor), but a recent shoulder injury makes it need rest. Thank God it is my non-shooting shoulder.

By BDAtlanta

October 28, 2008 7:29 AM | Link to this

Secretary of Defense: Wes Clark Secretary of Sate: Colin Powell Secretary of Treasury: Robert Reich

what else? David Axelrod will have an internal cabinet position.

Whoa. i’m getting way too excited about the changes next week.

By hillbilly ragger

October 28, 2008 7:31 AM | Link to this

Mrs. G., I’m going to try to early-vote this evening after food-putting-on-family (supposedly my local voting center is open until 7pm).

I hope to have an uneventful report to file here afterward.

By hillbilly ragger

October 28, 2008 7:34 AM | Link to this

Shorter Butt Geyser @ 7.29: This hurts me too much! I’m running away and clinging to my guns!

Butt Geyser, do be careful. It’d be a shame to lose you to one of those “cleaning your gun” “accidents” people sometimes have when they are all depressed.

By Lord Help Us

October 28, 2008 7:37 AM | Link to this

Geez, the resident psycho is still a ‘true believer.’ Grapsing at straws and desperately clinging to the hope that one of these smears, fabricated or not ( he doesn’t care ), will turn this election around. Sigh…

Thanks for doing your part to emphasize the mentality that REAL AMERICANS are voting AGAINST.

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 28, 2008 7:40 AM | Link to this

Hillary Clinton: Senate Majority Leader - until there’s an opening on the Supreme Court

Mr. Hillbilly Ragger - You are a Real American!

Watch out for the Marxists - They’re everywhere!

By E

October 28, 2008 7:40 AM | Link to this

I sincerely hope Obama will win in 7 days. If he does, for the next 8 years he will show the nation and the rest of the world what true leadership and the meaning of public servant means…..and the rest will be history.

Surely never again will America elect another dumb, bigoted, selfish, greedy, dishonest, disrespectful individual.

I believe President Obama will be the best president the US has produced in its history so far and he will set the standards so high as to elevate the people’s requirement of a public official to great heights, someone like Bush or McCain will never run for the highest office, because they would not even survive past the first day of the people’s demands.

Every individual running for office after a President Obama will have to change his or her political mentality and priorities that no way reflects the past politics and divisiveness, or else they will be done forever. The revolution has begun and the people will become victors, not the corporations, not the rich and powerful minority, but the people.

We The People.

Obama/Biden ‘08

By JAY BOOKMAN

October 28, 2008 7:48 AM | Link to this

84, Bud.

By Lord Help Us

October 28, 2008 7:52 AM | Link to this

Based on yesterday’s comments on the topic of James Dobson ( that dude creeps me out ), I can hopefully make the following assumption:

If Obama wins, it will be God’s will. And, many of the Anti-Obama posters here characterize themselves as Patriots, right?

So, they should see an Obama victory as ‘God’s will,’ right? And, since they are true Patriots, they will rally behind Obama and support his Presidency the way they have supported Bush.

Let’s hope I’m right and these posters aren’t just pitiful hypocrites…

By BDAtlanta

October 28, 2008 7:57 AM | Link to this

Hillbilly at 7:20am nailed the wingnuts for the next 7 days.

Watch out! The true axis of evil is still in power (Cheney/Rove/Bush).

By AJC/DNC Management

October 28, 2008 8:00 AM | Link to this

Limbaugh should ease off on the “moderate” bashing. Buckley, Powell, Weld and McClellan don’t represent moderate Republicans so much as they represent themselves — and a small universe of New York and Beltway conservatives who have not retreated to the middle, but simply bolted for the nearest exit.-Debra Saunders, SF Chronicle

Won’t we be laughing at them next week, like a rat jumping off of a ship because it thinks it is going to sink but then it just keeps sailing right the hell on.

And the rats are left to flounder around in the fever swamps.

You think they’ll get thrown a lifeline?

Maybe a concrete block.

By Taxpayer

October 28, 2008 8:02 AM | Link to this

Jay,

Do you have an explanation for the change in trend for McCain in mid-October with no corresponding change for Obama. Did a whole bunch of undecideds lean right all at once and the fence broke and took the others down with it or was first contact made with a previously undiscovered right-leaning state or what?

By AJC/DNC Management

October 28, 2008 8:05 AM | Link to this

When duh AJC/DNC Management speaks, people had better listen:

RCP National Average 50.3 44.1 Obama +6.2

It was 7.8% Sunday, 7.3% yesterday.

It will be a freaking tie on Monday.

Let’s win one for the Gipper!

By Bud Wiser

October 28, 2008 8:11 AM | Link to this

84 is not bad. East Lake? I shot 88 on Thursday in those horrific winds, and was not too unhappy, considering I still have the muster to play from the back tees. The short tees are coming though, the short tees are coming.

And Hillbilly, I thought I warned you about those constant referrals you are always making about bodily functions. Someone is going to get the wrong idea about yu and your preferences.

And, unlike yourself, I am not prone to mental depressions, and am always careful with my guns; have been, since about the age of 9 or 10 when being taught to shoot by my Granddad. I only point guns I intend to shoot, at targets I fully intend to hit (or kill).

My mantra in life…’don’t be a target’. I suggest you consider that for yourself as well, because your continually demonstrated stupidity you post here probably spills over into your real life as well, and someday you may be confronted by a person who not only doesn’t appreciate your feeble attempts at being a smart guy, but may make you a ‘target’, so be careful.

Idiot.

By TN Gelding

October 28, 2008 8:12 AM | Link to this

The polls have actualy tightened in the last couple of days.

But Obama still holds a 6.2% average lead:

realclearpolitics.com/polls

It’s the Electoral College that counts.

The polls aren’t as recent as the national ones.

By Joey

October 28, 2008 8:15 AM | Link to this

Not to worry Jay.

At and average of 3.3 post per day, plus a post on election day morning before the polls open, you can attack McCain and Palin with 24 more post.

And you can write a couple of “I hate Bush” opinion pieces for good measure.

Gosh, if Georgia goes for Obama, maybe you can get an invite to the Inauguration. Hope for Change.

By Lord Help Us

October 28, 2008 8:15 AM | Link to this

Please keep speaking, DUH…It can only help those poll numbers for Obama. Thanks!

BTW: McCain is losing in 8 ‘must win’ states…In other words, your man has to win ALL eight states he is currently losing JUST to BARELY get to 270 electoral votes. Good Luck!!!

Remember…whoever wins, it will be God’s will and you, being a true patriot, this nation at war and all, will undoubtedly support the next President.

Unless, dare I think, you are just a pathetic hypocrite…

By TN Gelding

October 28, 2008 8:27 AM | Link to this

One week to go.

By AJC/DNC Management

October 28, 2008 8:29 AM | Link to this

By Lord Help Us October 28, 2008 8:15 AM BTW: McCain is losing in 8 �must win� states�In other words, your man has to win ALL eight states he is currently losing JUST to BARELY get to 270 electoral votes. Good Luck!!!

LHU: Hey, I know that in your dimwit world of propaganda and spin, the media declares their favorite socialist the winner and then whines and moans that it is hopeless for the Repugs.

We may as well just skip the vote and start the celebration, eh?

Let me clue you in on a few facts, things that you liberals spend very little time dealing with-

1) Tallies of absentee and early voting are showing an even turnout of Republican and democrats, with some even showing a Repug majority. Guess who’s “getting the vote out?”

2) For weeks now, most of the polls have been showing this to be a close race, with just a few extreme and silly ones skewing the results way in favor of Oblahma. Wanna guess who’s polls are showing Olahma up by 20? New York Times? See BS? “News” Weak?

Drinking your own koolaid?

3) America has never voted for an extreme left wing baby killing socialist and I have an odd feeling that they are not going to start now.

Let’s count the votes, shall we?

Win one for the Gipper!!

By jon

October 28, 2008 8:30 AM | Link to this

Not so fast there Obamaniacs. Maybe the MSM will be unable to ignore the text of Barry’s 2001 radio text where he describes the tragedy of activist judges not rewriting the Constitution so that the wealth of the country is redistributed.

While many of his supporters already believe that will happen on Nov 4, 2008, they alone are not of sufficient number to get him elected. Possibly enough people that understand that success and a comfortable lifestyle come from hard work and not wealth redistribution by government will wake up to the threat Barry Obama and his fellow travelers pose, and vote down that threat.

With lines at the polling places in certain parts of town rivaling the lines at the lottery purchase windows, many of our “less fortunate” citizens seem to be convinced that this election will bring them wealth. They are so excited that Barry is going to “stick it to the man”, they can hardly contain themselves.

We shall see.

By Eric1

October 28, 2008 8:35 AM | Link to this

I guess old Bud has figuried it out. He finally knows who he is. He signed his last post “Idiot”. No truer word has been written.

By Lord Help Us

October 28, 2008 8:37 AM | Link to this

Fine with me DUH…I just tend to think that McCain wishes (and you too) that the numbers were the other way around. Just a WAG.

Either way, one of the two will win and I look forward to your unconditional support of God’s will and our new commander in chief…no matter which one it is.

I am hoping you aren’t just a phony hypocrite but, if Obama wins, we’ll all get to see for sure very soon after the election.

By TN Gelding

October 28, 2008 8:38 AM | Link to this

Sorry, I thought the Rove and RealClearPolitics maps were a little different, but they’re the same.

Obama might want to reconsider going on TV Wednesday night. He’s going to make a lot of people mad for interfering with their regular program.

By Aaron Burr V. Mexico

October 28, 2008 8:42 AM | Link to this

Remember Democrats and all other Obama supporters that Tuesday is republican voting day. Even if you vote on that day for Obama, the man will steal that vote for McCain. Join me and vote on Democrat voting day, Nov. 5th. Help me and vote on Wednesday for Hope, Change and Our Obama.

By Bud Wiser

October 28, 2008 8:48 AM | Link to this

So Eric 1, add yourself to the moron list as well. Not being able to read and comprehend must be a sad life you live.

So I’ll make it easy for you….you, as well as hillbilly, are both idiots. His for being who he is, and you, for obviously being a flunky from basic English comprehension classes. Go back to school Eric, your 3rd grade intellect impresses no one.

Idiot. (that’s you Eric; I know I have to keep explaining it over and over and over again to mental midgets such as yourself)

By hillbilly ragger

October 28, 2008 8:49 AM | Link to this

Aaron @ 8.42, was that joke funny back when it was first heard, in ‘96?

(1896, that is.)

By Taxpayer

October 28, 2008 8:49 AM | Link to this

After you, Aaron.

By Paul

October 28, 2008 8:53 AM | Link to this

All the excitement, all the giddiness, all the elation.

Reminds me of Jeff Goldblum’s line from Jurassic Park 2 when the people saw the dinosaurs for the first time (Goldblum had been through the reality of Jurassic Park 1) and the people were moving about in wide-eyed wonder. Goldblum said

“”Yeah, that’s how it always starts, there’s all this ooh… and aah’…, Later comes the running… and the screaming….”

Good luck to whoever wins.

And more than good luck to us, once the running and the screaming start.

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 28, 2008 8:55 AM | Link to this

We done already been redistributed! Now it’s time to change the direction.

Teddy R said:

“Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.”

Was Teddy a Marxist?

95% of us are planting, tending and harvesting the FRUIT…..and the Bush Tax cuts left us with the pits.

We ALL deserve enough of the fruit to make our Real American pie.

By Jen

October 28, 2008 8:58 AM | Link to this

from jon

Maybe the MSM will be unable to ignore the text of Barry�s 2001 radio text where he describes the tragedy of activist judges not rewriting the Constitution so that the wealth of the country is redistributed.

sigh

What Obama was really saying was about the institutional limits of the courts, and was the same argument made by many conservatives in the 1960s and 1970s…that courts should not attempt to guarantee “positive” rights, or interpret the Constitution to redistribute wealth.

In other words, what Obama is doing is rejecting the claim that was made by many liberal lawyers, professors, and judges at the time—and that is being made by some today.

And in terms of “redistribution” Obama was not speaking of general taxation or the common Republican scare-tactic of “redistribution of wealth”. Rather he was referring the CURRENT redistribution of wealth we have in our system - Social Security, Earned Income Credit, Medicare, Americans with Disabilites, etc.

People, don’t cannibalize your brains over this stuff.

By Taxpayer

October 28, 2008 9:01 AM | Link to this

So, what is it that you Republicans are voting for in this presidential election. What philosophies? What principles? Which person? Is it McCain for president or Palin for president? Is it see who can stab the other in the back the most times or what? What is it about your party that gets you Republicans all excited? Is it more of the same that you look forward to. Is that it?

By Bosch

October 28, 2008 9:04 AM | Link to this

I heard David Gergen make a good point last night - he said that we have already had redistribution of wealth - it’s been taken from the middle class and moved up.

I like David Gergen.

By leni

October 28, 2008 9:05 AM | Link to this

uns Morgen gehoert die Welt

By AJC/DNC Management

October 28, 2008 9:05 AM | Link to this

�Talk to Your Boss�: Obama Campaign Calls on Americans to Not Work on Election Day

So who’s going to break this news to dimwit Oblahma that socialists and deadbeats don’t work?

By AmVet

October 28, 2008 9:05 AM | Link to this

Yep, there’s a new sheriff coming to town and it looks like he is going to be one of those uppity ones (with a shovel?), as the charming Lynn Westmoreland noted.

And the card carrying members of the GOP’s Southern Strategy are going to have some sore noggins.

What is quite interesting is that so many Republicans, some lifelong, are going to vote for the socialist baby killer.

We’ve all heard of numerous famous ones, which leads me to believe there are a boatload of other common people who will as well.

George W, Bush is just the last in a long line of a failed ideology —neo-conservatism — and is to most Americans, toxic. We can all now hope that the neo-cons on the ticket downstream pay a heavy price.

Very interesting read about Charles Barkley: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/27/brown.barkley/index.html

Surprisingly (to me), this other uppity man has educated himself a great deal on the issues of the day and now makes quite a lot of sense.

For all of you “conservatives” with kin in Alabamee, let them all know they may need to move before 2014…

By Bosch

October 28, 2008 9:07 AM | Link to this

Oh, I forgot another good point David Gergen made - he also mentioned one of the most successful tax programs in history - the Earned Income Credit - was created by Ronald Reagan - and he ain’t no socialist.

I don’t know the history of this program, so if anyone would like to challenge David G. so be it.

By JAY BOOKMAN

October 28, 2008 9:08 AM | Link to this

Mrs. G, I believe that was Lincoln, not Teddy.

By Paul

October 28, 2008 9:17 AM | Link to this

G’Morning, AmVet

I hoped you’d show up this morning. I’ve been holding this for you, based upon some things you’ve said in the past. N-GA would appreciate it, I’m sure. RW, too.

I came across this a long time ago. Was written by Harry Reasoner (a tv journalist, back when newsreaders were journalists) after he’d gone to Vietnam for a story. He’d flown with some Army guys and wrote this. Seems applicable to understanding many politicians. Or pundits.

I sure hope our new Pres learns how to fly helos.

Helicopter Pilots are Different

“The thing is, helicopters are different from planes. An airplane by its nature wants to fly, and if not interfered with too strongly by unusual events or by a deliberately incompetent pilot, it will fly. A helicopter does not want to fly. It is maintained in the air by a variety of forces and controls working in opposition to each other, and if there is any disturbance in this delicate balance the helicopter stops flying; immediately and disastrously. There is no such thing as a gliding helicopter.

This is why being a helicopter pilot is so different from being an airplane pilot, and why in generality, airplane pilots are open, clear-eyed, buoyant extroverts and helicopter pilots are brooding introspective anticipators of trouble. They know if something bad has not happened it is about to.”

By TN Gelding

October 28, 2008 9:17 AM | Link to this

JAY BOOKMAN

October 28, 2008 7:48 AM

Hope that is a good omen.

By Taxpayer

October 28, 2008 9:19 AM | Link to this

Earned Income Credit! That must be similar to that prebate thing that the FairTax[tm] loonies talk about. No, wait, that can’t be right. The Republicans didn’t say anything about needing to work and earn that prebate thing. So, it must be more of a socialist Republican handout. As a matter of fact, with that FairTax[tm] thing, no one even cares about how you got your money. There’s no requirements about working at all. You just need to sit on your buttocks and collect a prebate once every month. Sort of like a state welfare program. Interesting. Yet, the Democrats are opposed to it and the Republicans are in favor of it. Interesting, indeed.

By getalife

October 28, 2008 9:21 AM | Link to this

Uh no. We are all going to be Muslim, socialist, communist, taxed to death, terrorists, corrupt, radicals hating America, invaded by Russia, talking to the enemy, isolationists, amnesty for illegals, liberals.

OMG, OMG, OMG.

By Cal

October 28, 2008 9:21 AM | Link to this

Why I’m voting Democrat

I’m voting Democrat because I believe the government will do a better job of spending the money I earn than I would.

I’m voting Democrat because freedom of speech is fine as long as nobody is offended by it.

I’m voting Democrat because when we pull out of Iraq I trust that the bad guys will stop what they’re doing because they now think we’re good people.

I’m voting Democrat because I believe that people who can’t tell us if it will rain on Friday CAN tell us that the polar ice caps will melt away in ten years if I don’t start driving a Prius. I’m voting Democrat because I’m not concerned about the slaughter of millions of babies so long as we keep all death row inmates alive.

I’m voting Democrat because I believe that business should not be allowed to make profits for themselves. They need to break even and give the rest away to the government for redistribution as THEY see fit.

I’m voting Democrat because I believe three or four pointy headed elitist liberals need to rewrite the Constitution every few days to suit some fringe kooks who would NEVER get their agendas past the voters.

I’m voting Democrat because I believe that when the terrorists don’t have to hide from us over there, when they come over here I don’t want to have any guns in the house to fight them off with.

I’m voting Democrat because I love the fact that I can now marry whatever I want. I’ve decided to marry my horse.

I’m voting Democrat because I believe oil companies’ profits of 4% on a gallon of gas are obsce ne but the government taxing the same gallon of gas at 15% isn’t.

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 28, 2008 9:27 AM | Link to this

JAY

Correct!

It was a Lincoln quote that Teddy used in a speech during mayoral election in 1886. (New Nationalism Speech)

I should have said Teddy R quoting Abe….

I know how fond of Teddy R Johnny Mc is.

By Bosch

October 28, 2008 9:30 AM | Link to this

Cal,

How many times are we going to see that posted? Yawn.

By TN Gelding

October 28, 2008 9:31 AM | Link to this

jon

October 28, 2008 8:30 AM

HARD WORK?

Watch the video.

By Taxpayer

October 28, 2008 9:36 AM | Link to this

I’m glad to see you finally caught on to all the reasons not to vote Republican, Cal. Better late than never.

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 28, 2008 9:39 AM | Link to this

Bosch

Imagine Cal assuming we would think he was posting original work when that silliness is posted all over the web.

Where do they get this stuff?

Diatribes R Us?

By AJC/DNC Management

October 28, 2008 9:41 AM | Link to this

How can you tell when Pelosi is lying?

Her mouth is open-

“Elect us, hold us accountable, and make a judgment and then go from there. But I do tell you that if the Democrats win and have substantial majorities, Congress of the United States will be more bipartisan,” said Pelosi.-ABC

This is the same goon that shut the lights out in the Capital during a debate on our energy future and then she went on vacation for 6 weeks.

This is the same hack that schemes in secret and let’s the House vote on bills that they haven’t even looked at.

And she thinks you are a moron.

By TW

October 28, 2008 9:48 AM | Link to this

We�ve done God, guns, and guts.

Discretion anybody?

Anybody?

God + guns + guts � discretion = very, very foolish

Didn�t God say something about wisdom?

Oh, that was the old Bible�

By Bosch

October 28, 2008 9:48 AM | Link to this

Mrs. G.,

Do you think there’s one out there in web world -

I’m voting Republican because I think the government knows what is best for my body, and I’m too stupid to figure that out for myself.

or

I’m voting Republican because I think that corporations deserve all our money so they can pay their smart executives millions while sending our jobs to Dubai.

or

I’m voting Republican because I like people telling me who I can and cannot marry because I’m too stupid to know who I love.

or

I’m voting Republican because I really hate the Earth and want it to become a toxic wasteland.

or

I’m voting Republican because I love invading other countries that have nothing to do with the war on terror.

or

I’m voting Republican because only winners deserve healthcare and not those loser people who are too stupid to get a good job with benefits.

I made all that up all by myself too!

By AJC/DNC Management

October 28, 2008 9:49 AM | Link to this

Two people were arrested Monday afternoon after an altercation led to five Republican campaign workers being sprayed with Mace at their headquarters in Galax. Responding officers arrested Daniel Cason Meinecke, 29, and Cara Annis Hindman, 26, both of Galax.

Stevens told him that nobody there had stolen any Oblahma signs, nor were they �stashing� any in the building. A confrontation escalated and, Stevens said, the man began to use some four-letter words.Galax Gazette

By Bosch

October 28, 2008 9:51 AM | Link to this

Oh, I forgot about the guns:

I’m voting Republican because I think everybody needs a gun so we can kill the people who might kill us first.

By Rocco Pedestrian

October 28, 2008 9:52 AM | Link to this

As the great Walt Kelly quipped: “Now is the time for all good men to come to.” Those of us who have been in our caves in Liberal Tora-Bora need to come out and get to work. Obama will start off great, but there will be a Wednesday Morning group ready to try and make him stumble early, just like the Clinton gays-in-the-military scheme. He will be able to do a couple of good things for sure, including appoint decent judges to the Supreme Court and elsewhere and end the war. The rest, health care, tax reform, immigration reform, reinforcing unions, reforming trade/globalization, and alternative energy, he will need help with. I for one would gladly quit my job to help him with these things. I have children. Good people need to join government. Government needs to be bigger. It’s OK - we have the Internet now and government waste can be carefully watched. We the people need to take advantage of economies of scale to raise our standard of living and get our kids through school. That means more government-owned industries. Y’all McCarthy-ites out there forget that no country on earth is entirely capitalist or entirely socialist. It’s a blend. We need to readjust our blend. I hope Obama decides to double the tax increase on the rich. There’s money out there, people, it’s just being hoarded while we stress out. I hope the media starts outing the rich b******* who have ruined our economy while they snort coke and play golf.

By Bosch

October 28, 2008 9:54 AM | Link to this

Oh I forgot about God too:

I’m voting Republican because I think the Earth is 6000 years old and is ruled by an old dude who sits in the sky on a golden throne above the clouds. Why? Because the Bible says so stupid!

By Bosch

October 28, 2008 9:56 AM | Link to this

Oh, I forgot about education:

I’m voting Republican so we can have vouchers so my kids won’t have to go to school with THOSE other kids.

By AJC/DNC Management

October 28, 2008 9:56 AM | Link to this

The Annenberg Challenge and the Woods Fund of Chicago funded numerous controversial groups while Barack Obama served on their boards between 1995 and 2002, an analysis of their tax returns shows.

In 2001, when Obama was a part-time director of The Woods Fund of Chicago, it gave $75,000 to ACORN, the voter registration group now under investigation for voter fraud in 12 states.

The Woods Fund also gave $6,000 to the Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s Trinity United Church of Christ, which Obama attended. The reason for the donation to the church is unclear — it is simply listed as “for special purposes” in the group’s IRS tax form.-Fox News

It gave a further $60,000 to the Children and Family Justice Center at Northwestern University, which was founded and run by Bernardine Dohrn, the wife of domestic terrorist William Ayers and, with her husband, a former member of the 1960s radical group the Weather Underground.

Game over.

By Chris Salzmann

October 28, 2008 9:58 AM | Link to this

Management said: 3) America has never voted for an extreme left wing baby killing socialist and I have an odd feeling that they are not going to start now.

Chris: Errr, that odd feeling is the bitterness and despair that you’re feeling after reading about the McCain/Palin campaign. .Looks like someone’s going to be crying in their pillow come the morning of November 5th. I have a feeling it won’t be me.

Isn’t it funny that all these “pro-lifers” are pro-death everywhere else? Pro-death penalty, pro-war, etc.

AND I really really hope that the Palin bloc win the Republican civil war that’s going to ensue after the election. I really want her to run in 2012. She’ll get the bubba/redneck vote. The independents and moderates will either stay at home or vote again for Obama. That will mean another landslide for Obama!

Can’t win without those moderates/independents. That’s one thing the Republican party needs to figure out. A moderate Republican party is the only danger to a CONTINUING Democratic majority.

Shhhhhh….Don’t tell that to the Sarah Palin crowd.

By Bosch

October 28, 2008 9:59 AM | Link to this

But the MAIN reason I’m voting Republican is because our leaders are sent by God to lead us because they are so smart and wise and can never be questioned and I need somebody else to tell me what’s right so I don’t have to think for myself!

By RealityKing

October 28, 2008 10:03 AM | Link to this

Is Jay counting egged chickens again??

By Midori

October 28, 2008 10:05 AM | Link to this

a wonderful story I found last night. please read

By Chris Salzmann

October 28, 2008 10:13 AM | Link to this

Management,

Read up on Todd Palin and the Alaska Independence Party. Interesting that Palin has the gall to question Obama’s patriotism when she’s sleeping with a secessionist.

Read up on G. Gordon Liddy. Interesting that McCain questions Obama’s relationship with Ayers while he’s “palling” around with some shady characters himself.

Interesting that Ayers and Obama met while working for the Annenberg Education Foundation, funded by the Annenberg family who have endorsed and financially contributed to the McCain campaign. Is McCain guilty of accepting support from “terrorist sympathizers”?

Chicago voted Bill Ayers as “most valuable citizen” in 1998. Are they all “terrorist sympathizers”???

Spreading the wealth? Was McCain a socialist in 2000 for advocating higher taxes for the wealthy? Here’s a quote from Sarah Palin: “we’re set up, unlike other states in the union, where it’s collectively Alaskans own the resources. So we share in the wealth when the development of these resources occurs.”………SHARE IN THE WEALTH???

Like I said, Obama winning is a foregone conclusion. It’s only a question of by how much. Staffers in the McCain/Palin campaign are already sending out resumes.

The Republican Party is staring at an electoral bloodbath. Some Republican senators and members of congress are even going so far as to endorse Obama in an attempt to save their skins. Even Lieberman is now saying nice things about Obama.

By tcoach

October 28, 2008 10:16 AM | Link to this

One question for all the Obama supporters. Have you all been paying more taxes than required by law each time, or have you been donating your expendable income to the poor? If you have not then how can you advocate Obama’s tax plan to anyone?

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 28, 2008 10:24 AM | Link to this

tcoach

have you been holding back taxes from the government? hiding assets? taking payments in cash and not reporting them? squeezing through loopholes? off shoring bank accounts?

if not, how can you advocate for McCains plan to reduce taxes?

By jon

October 28, 2008 10:28 AM | Link to this

Jen,

This is what the man said:

“And I think one of the tragedies of the civil rights movement was that the civil rights movement became so court-focused, I think there was a tendency to lose track of the political and organizing activities on the ground that are able to bring about the coalitions of power through which you bring about redistributive change, and in some ways we still suffer from that,”

That is a clear a statement as can be made. You Obamaniacs can try to spin it any way you want, and Barry can blame Fox for bringing his own words to light, but Barry can’t run from his words and his associations, try as he might.

By TW

October 28, 2008 10:29 AM | Link to this

tcoach - and everyone in your anti-socialist klan sends, or plans to, the social security checks back?

And are you also anti-Roosevelt because of his thoughts on progressive tax?

And anti-Reagan because of the earned income credit?

By hillbilly ragger

October 28, 2008 10:29 AM | Link to this

Chris @ 9.58, you ask “Chicago voted Bill Ayers as ‘most valuable citizen’ in 1998. Are they all ‘terrorist sympathizers’???”

If I’ve learned anything these past eight years, it’s that an awful lot of Republican voters really do believe that city dwellers are, in fact, “terrorist sympathizers,” and any other un-American label that can be imagined.

I’m glad that it’s finally become a major campaign issue, and that Obama/Biden are using to call out this idiotic meme. It had been bugging me a LOT all along, but especially when the “Macaca” thing flared up.

Lost in “Macaca” was the real insult, which was not so much the obscure racial slur but the notion that there was a “real America”, as opposed to that “whatever America” where a hell of a lot of work gets done and tax revenues get generated.

Friggin’ ingrates. I hope they get pummeled mercilessly in the polls next week.

By darren

October 28, 2008 10:39 AM | Link to this

Be careful. I’ve heard some internal polling is starting to turn in McCain’s favor due to the Audio that came out from a few years back about Obama’s Income Redistribution plan. Americans, when polled, were about 80% against the redistribution of income and when asked when someone who pays no income taxes gets an income tax rebate, they said it was welfare. I don’t think this sets well with most Americans based on the polls. Obama better not get too confident. I know he’s trying not to.

By hillbilly ragger

October 28, 2008 10:40 AM | Link to this

Jon @ 10.28, I’ll try to make this as clear as I can.

Your idea of a “smoking gun” audio is the sort of thing that most Americans hear and say “and? So?”

It’s the wingnuts, the people who tune in to Rush and read Drudge, who would get all freaked out over something like “redistributive change.” You guys are terrified that your shot at overturning Wade (a phenomenally unpopular position, by the way) is going bye-bye, and that—gasp, horror!—this crazy/socialist Obama is going to—OMG!—put the tax brackets where they were under Clinton.

I don’t know how to say it nicely; you just aren’t living in the real world if you think that 2001 interview’s any kind of a deal-killer with voters.

By Jen

October 28, 2008 10:44 AM | Link to this

jon, you are the one spinning it…

Here’s a statement from someone from Obama’s campaign regarding the very thing you quoted:

“Here are the facts. In the interview, Obama went into extensive detail to explain why the courts should not get into that business of ‘redistributing’ wealth. Obama’s point — and what he called a tragedy — was that legal victories in the civil rights led too many people to rely on the courts to change society for the better. That view is shared by conservative judges and legal scholars across the country,” Burton said.

So, you take a sentinment in which Obama, who will almost always speak on the Constitution as a professor of constitutional law, is in total agreement with conservatives and you spin it to support your claim that he’s a socialist.

Clearly, Obama favors a tax structure that allows taxation of the wealthy to benefit the middle class and the poor. But that has nothing to do with his take on how the Constitution plays into it.

His statement, IN FACT, supports the idea that the Constitution does not play into redistribution of wealth (icluding Social Security or Earned Income Credit).

PLEASE, stop cannibalizing your brain.

By tcoach

October 28, 2008 10:45 AM | Link to this

Dodge and attack Godzilla. I know you cannot and do not have a viable answer for not doing as you want so many other Americans to be forced to do, give money to charity.

2nd I can support McCain’s tax plan because he is not proposing that the government take my taxes and then give them to other citizens and call them a tax credit.

Have seen your net attack, you are predictable.
The bailout of 700 billion. That is not the same and I have reasons, not just blind following as you seem to have. 1st the bailout was an attempt by the government to stabilize those corporations as to where others would not lose their job or their savings, even though it seems they still will.
Not to mention the bailout was paid for mostly by those receiving it. The top 5% already pay a much higher percentage of all the taxes collected by the government. So in reality the ceos and execs. paid for about 70-80% of their bailout.

While under Obama’s tax plan those who have no tax liability, in other words contribute absolutely nothing monetary to our country. Yet they should get a check from those of us who do. Tell me how that is fair in any way. If you think it is fair then you should give money to every beggar you see on the street and should condemn yourself as a hypocrite anytime you do not.

By AJC/DNC Management

October 28, 2008 10:46 AM | Link to this

In his interview with The News Journal published Oct. 19, Sen. Joe Biden presents a seriously erroneous picture of Catholic teaching on abortion. He said, �I know that my church has wrestled with this for 2,000 years,� and claimed repeatedly that the Church has a nuanced view of the subject that leaves a great deal of room for uncertainty and debate.

This is simply incorrect. The teaching of the Church is clear and not open to debate. Abortion is a grave sin because it is the wrongful taking of an innocent human life. The Church received the tradition opposing abortion from Judaism. In the Greco-Roman world, early Christians were identifiable by their rejection of the common practices of abortion and infanticide.- Rev. W. Francis Malooly, bishop, Catholic Diocese of Wilmington

Hair Plugs has been banished from the Sacraments.

Will the lib attack dogs now be loosed upon his church?

This should be a pretty sick sight.

By tiff

October 28, 2008 10:46 AM | Link to this

Mrs Godzilla, 7:22am I voted and I did take Grannie and Autie to the polls with me. I also took sister daughter and her friend. Took us five hours to get in to vote but it was worth every minute. Vote to make a change, thats what I kept telling myself as I braved the chill.

By Taxpayer

October 28, 2008 10:47 AM | Link to this

My Gawd, did you hear that 2001 interview. When you listen to it backwards it says I’m Sarah Palin and I approve this message.

By Midori

October 28, 2008 10:48 AM | Link to this

Chicago Public Radio response to spliced Obama interview

In 2001, Chicago Public Radio interviewed then Illinois State Senator Barack Obama about civil rights. Over the weekend, someone posted excerpts of the interview, edited to misrepresent Obama’s statements. The item is now catching national attention.

Click here for Obama’s full interviews.

The clips are taken from an interview that aired in January of 2001. Then State Senator Obama is one of three legal scholars interviewed for a show about civil rights. Over the weekend, someone pulled excerpts of the show and posted them to You Tube�and today, the posting caught fire on political blogs, the Drudge Report, and Fox News.

The 4 minute spliced collection of clips portrays Obama as advocate a redistribution of wealth through the power of the Supreme Court. That folds in with some allegations by the McCain Palin campaign.

The twist here is that, when heard in the context of the whole show, Obama�s position is distinctly misrepresented by the You Tube posting. Taken in context, Obama is evaluating the historical successes and failures of the Civil Rights movement�and, ironically, he says the Supreme Court was a failure in cases that it took on a role of redistributing resources.

The McCain campaign told ABC News it plans to use the material to bolster its criticism of Obama.

I�m Ben Calhoun, Chicago Public Radio

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 28, 2008 10:49 AM | Link to this

HEY JON

It’s says redistributive change.

Not redistribute wealth.

Guess what? They are not the same thing.

Oh and JON

During the 2001 WBEZ interview, Obama went on to state: “You know, maybe I’m showing my bias here as a legislator as well as a law professor, but, you know, I’m not optimistic about bringing about major redistributive change through the courts. You know, the institution just isn’t structured that way.” He later added, “You know, the court’s just not very good at it, and politically, it’s just — it’s very hard to legitimize opinions from the court in that regard. So, I mean, I think that, although, you can craft theoretical justifications for it legally — you know, I think you can, any three of us sitting here could come up with a rationale for bringing about economic change through the courts — I think that, as a practical matter, our institutions just are poorly equipped to do it.”

There’s no spin required. All YOU need to do is read the whole thing and then use your (apparently rather meager) comprehension skills.

REMEMBER

Marxists are everywhere!

By darren

October 28, 2008 10:50 AM | Link to this

Hillbilly Ragger,

Not sure why you classify me as you guys? I’m just making a comment based on what CNN reported last night.

This really could be a problem.

I just hope whoever gets in does some real spending cuts and gets our National Debt down. 12 trillion and going up. This will bankrupt this country eventually. We can’t continue on these spending sprees. Repubs and DEMs need to get a clue.

By RealityKing

October 28, 2008 10:52 AM | Link to this

Marxism…, Obama’s change we can believe

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Marxism is summed up in the Encarta Reference Library as �a theory in which class struggle is a central element in the analysis of social change in Western societies.� Marxism is the antithesis of capitalism which is defined by Encarta as �an economic system based on the private ownership of the means of production and distribution of goods, characterized by a free competitive market and motivation by profit.� Marxism is the system of socialism of which the dominant feature is public ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange.

An increasing immiseration of the proletariat occurs as the result of economic recessions; these recessions result because the working class is unable to buy the full product of their labors and the ruling capitalists do not consume all of the surplus value. A proletariat or socialist revolution must occur, according to Marx, where the state (the means by which the ruling class forcibly maintains rule over the other classes) is a dictatorship of the proletariat. Communism evolves from socialism out of this progression: the socialist slogan is �From each according to his ability, to each according to his work.� The communist slogan varies thusly: �From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.�

By tcoach

October 28, 2008 10:53 AM | Link to this

TW settle down did I say anything about socialist.
All I did was ask if you sent in extra taxes, or if you give your expendable income to charity. That is the premise of the Obama tax plan, to take from rich and give to teh poor. If you have not been following this and have spoken out in favor of the Obama tax plan, then my question is why? Why have you not been giving of your money to those in need and why not send the government more? Stand by your convictions if you believe in the plan apply it. It is easy for you to say you are in favor of Obama’s tax plan, but what actions have you taken to implement it. In other words if it is such a great plan then why are you not already doing it?

By RealityKing

October 28, 2008 10:54 AM | Link to this

Marxism…, Obama’s change we can believe

>

Marxism is summed up in the Encarta Reference Library as �a theory in which class struggle is a central element in the analysis of social change in Western societies.� Marxism is the antithesis of capitalism which is defined by Encarta as �an economic system based on the private ownership of the means of production and distribution of goods, characterized by a free competitive market and motivation by profit.� Marxism is the system of socialism of which the dominant feature is public ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange.

An increasing immiseration of the proletariat occurs as the result of economic recessions; these recessions result because the working class is unable to buy the full product of their labors and the ruling capitalists do not consume all of the surplus value. A proletariat or socialist revolution must occur, according to Marx, where the state (the means by which the ruling class forcibly maintains rule over the other classes) is a dictatorship of the proletariat. Communism evolves from socialism out of this progression: the socialist slogan is �From each according to his ability, to each according to his work.� The communist slogan varies thusly: �From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.�

By RealityKing

October 28, 2008 10:54 AM | Link to this

Marxism…, Obama’s change we can believe

>

Marxism is summed up in the Encarta Reference Library as �a theory in which class struggle is a central element in the analysis of social change in Western societies.� Marxism is the antithesis of capitalism which is defined by Encarta as �an economic system based on the private ownership of the means of production and distribution of goods, characterized by a free competitive market and motivation by profit.� Marxism is the system of socialism of which the dominant feature is public ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange.

An increasing immiseration of the proletariat occurs as the result of economic recessions; these recessions result because the working class is unable to buy the full product of their labors and the ruling capitalists do not consume all of the surplus value. A proletariat or socialist revolution must occur, according to Marx, where the state (the means by which the ruling class forcibly maintains rule over the other classes) is a dictatorship of the proletariat. Communism evolves from socialism out of this progression: the socialist slogan is �From each according to his ability, to each according to his work.� The communist slogan varies thusly: �From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.�

By RealityKing

October 28, 2008 10:54 AM | Link to this

Marxism…, Obama’s change we can believe

>

Marxism is summed up in the Encarta Reference Library as �a theory in which class struggle is a central element in the analysis of social change in Western societies.� Marxism is the antithesis of capitalism which is defined by Encarta as �an economic system based on the private ownership of the means of production and distribution of goods, characterized by a free competitive market and motivation by profit.� Marxism is the system of socialism of which the dominant feature is public ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange.

An increasing immiseration of the proletariat occurs as the result of economic recessions; these recessions result because the working class is unable to buy the full product of their labors and the ruling capitalists do not consume all of the surplus value. A proletariat or socialist revolution must occur, according to Marx, where the state (the means by which the ruling class forcibly maintains rule over the other classes) is a dictatorship of the proletariat. Communism evolves from socialism out of this progression: the socialist slogan is �From each according to his ability, to each according to his work.� The communist slogan varies thusly: �From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.�

By Swami Dave

October 28, 2008 10:59 AM | Link to this

Sorry Ms. Godzilla. That you have to devolve to lunatic depths to defend the theft and graft that is income redistribution only serves as the evidence of how ridiculous a philosphy it truly is.

If liberals support higher taxes for whatever purposes government (under leadership of liberals might deem), then there is nothing that prevents them from simply sending checks for as much as they think the government should have. And if the thought that the current administration might have directed their funds in ways that they did not intend, then they could have simply given that money directly to the charities and programs that they deemed fit. (Personally, I think that is a better model anyway because it represents individual involvement with the specific cause.)

Holding back taxes or other schemes to withhold taxes that are mandated by the government under threat of penalty is not a privilege afforded to those who think they are too high.

However, the silly and lame attempt to equate a comparison does more to show the latent dishonesty and moral vacuum at the heart of liberalism than most anything I could have said.

It is for that fact that I coined the phrases “Truth, History, and Common Sense refute Liberalism.” & “Freedom and Opportunity work because you do.”

The Obama campaign’s big problems with the association of their “spread the wealth” ideas to the Marxist philosophy is that it is correct. At core, both a predicated on the assumption that it is a valid ethical consideration to steal that which is owned or earned by one person to be given to another with no exchange of value based on an external parties evaluation of “fairness”.

Your earlier points underscore the fallacy of your argument in assigning earlier tax cuts as “gifts to the rich”. You cannot “gift” something to someone that is already theirs! Their possessions do not belong to you, I, or government.

However, I suspect that you already know that this is the lie central to liberalism and obfuscate / muddle around peripherials avoiding the non-existent logical foundation for the philosphy.

As for the election, we shall see. Has enough of our population surrendered their freedom and opportunity to simply elect leaders to steal that which they want on their behalf? Time will tell.

-Swami Dave

By AmVet

October 28, 2008 10:59 AM | Link to this

The popular new, but not very clever, catch phrase of today is “income redistribution”.

From Ronnie on, the GOP particularly, has been completely obsessed with social welfare as one of the great liberal ruinations of this country.

And there is little doubt that it was to some (great?) extent misguided and counter-productive.

BUT…

Read carefully here neo-cons (and big business Democrats), it is less than the amount of CORPORATE WELFARE.

As of 2002, the $150 billion for corporate subsidies and tax benefits eclipsed the annual budget deficit of $130 billion. It’s more than the $145 billion paid out annually for the core programs of the social welfare state: Aid to Families with Dependent Children, student aid, housing, food, and all direct public assistance (excluding Social Security and medicare).

And they’ve moved in opposite directions.

Even the most blind among us can recognize that this $700 BILLION “bailout” is just more but blatant corporate welfare for the bribery specialists who own the two political parties, right?

RIGHT???

How would you like to pay only a quarter of the real estate taxes you owe on your home? And buy everything for the next 10 years without spending a single penny in sales tax? Keep a chunk of your paycheck free of income taxes? Have the city in which you live lend you money at rates cheaper than any bank charges? Then have the same city install free water and sewer lines to your house, offer you a perpetual discount on utility bills—and top it all off by landscaping your front yard at no charge?

Corporations do, and these deals are usually trumpeted as “economic development” or “public-private partnerships.” It’s a game in which governments large and small subsidize corporations large and small, usually at the expense of another state or town and almost always at the expense of individual and other corporate taxpayers.

And throw in another $170 BILLION per year in military waste and fraud.

On the other hand:

The number of PEOPLE receiving welfare payments has dropped 57% since Bill Clinton signed a piece of huge welfare reform legislation in 1996.

This corporate destruction of capitalism IS SOCIALISM. And it relies on the corporate welfare state.

And by embracing massive corporate handouts and other socialist measures, the Bush Administration discredits capitalism and delays economic recovery.

THERE WILL BE NO BAILOUT FOR YOU AND ME.

OR OUR CHILDREN.

Fight for economic justice.

Fight for your own futures and security.

Fight for the rule of law.

Vote Nader/Gonzalez.

By RealityKing

October 28, 2008 11:00 AM | Link to this

Whoops…., looks like I sat on an ACORN.

By Bosch

October 28, 2008 11:01 AM | Link to this

From Obama TODAY, NOT FROM 2001:

“Now, it�s true that I want to roll back the Bush tax cuts on the wealthiest Americans and go back to the rate they paid under Bill Clinton. But make no mistake: If you make less than a quarter of a million dollars a year � which includes 98% of small business owners � you won�t see your taxes increase one single dime. Not your payroll taxes, not your income taxes, not your capital gains taxes � nothing. Because the last thing we should do in this economy is raise taxes on the middle-class”

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 28, 2008 11:03 AM | Link to this

tcoach

you think my 10:24 was an attack…..?

it’s called a retort.

or witty repartee.

an attack goes like this:

you big stupid ugly moron who stepped out of line when God herself was passing out brains….etc etc etc.

now that’s an attack.

(DISCLAIMER: the above attack was just an example. In case of a real attack by Mrs. Godzilla, you would be notified via the Emergency Godzilla Attack warning System)

By getalife

October 28, 2008 11:03 AM | Link to this

Well, I was going to vote gop because I want to bomb more babies and the world does not hate us enough.

We need another depression not just a recession saved by socialism of the rich.

We need more wingnuts to spew more hatred and keep our country divided.

We need more poor and hungry children with no health care and no schools.

We need to keep buying oil from the ME and global warming is a scam.

We need no accountability for crimes unless they are the people.

The Constitution is just a piece of paper and all government should be gop.

We need w policies forever because they work so well.

But then I decided to be a “real American”, think about “country first” and vote for Obama.

By Bosch

October 28, 2008 11:04 AM | Link to this

Yeah Reality King,

You might want to hold off on criticizing someone when you can’t figure out the post button.

By AJC/DNC Management

October 28, 2008 11:04 AM | Link to this

Spin, spin, spin:

Now we have another audio tape of Barack Obama in which he says the US Constitution “reflected a fundamental flaw of this country that carries on to this day.”

The Constitution is what makes this country great and apparently, since you liberals hate the United States, you scheme and plot to “fix” the Constitution.

By tcoach

October 28, 2008 11:07 AM | Link to this

What is wrong Godzilla cat got your tongue or is gooogle taking too long?

Just answer have you been sending in more than required on income taxes and do you give every beggar money that ask for it if not you are a hypocrite.

You are more than free to send as much money as you want to the government, yet you choose not too. Then spend all day and night advocating his policies that you do not even agree with enough to do them yourself.

By darren

October 28, 2008 11:09 AM | Link to this

fairtax.org

By Bosch

October 28, 2008 11:09 AM | Link to this

Good ones getalife, see we can come up with our own original material and not have to cut and paste from some right wingnut blog!

We’re awesome!

By Paul

October 28, 2008 11:11 AM | Link to this

Midori 10:48

See why I like source material? Not someones interpretation as the sole basis?

What I heard from Sen Obama was an explanation of what the Court did and did not do during the Civil Rights era. He described how the Founding Fathers set up the Constitution and how the Warren Court kept within those parameters (I believe that’s called a ‘non activist’ role). I heard him say the tragedy was not that the Court kept within those bounds but that the civil rights movement relied too heavily on legal/Court remedies for its aims - when such aims were not able to be redressed through judicial fiat. The tragedy was the movement’s leaders did not do more at the local, community level to achieve its goals.

Nice bit of history and analysis. Anyhow, that’s how I heard it. I did not hear Sen Obama state what he preferred be done. When I have the time I’ll listen to the entire hour and verify.

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 28, 2008 11:14 AM | Link to this

Swami….

I’ll be brief.

I think you’re full of stuff and nonsense.

If conservatives don’t want to pay higher taxes. DONT.

Stand up for your ideas. Don’t be afraid of the penalties!!

Did fear of penalties keep those fine Real Americans from throwing that Tea Party in Boston Harbor?

If you don’t like the moral vaccuum that is liberal thought, then send your 8 year old out to work in a factory for 80- hours a week.

Your an old poster with a new name and the same old tripe.

I think not.

By tcoach

October 28, 2008 11:14 AM | Link to this

Godzilla you scare no one but maybe your gyno.

I see you still do not answer the question. Then I assume you are a hypocrite and have nothing to offer.

Just live your comments, if you don’t then they are words and they mean nothing.

By professional skeptic

October 28, 2008 11:15 AM | Link to this

The pool of corporate bailout takers keeps growing, with no end in sight, possibly adding insurance companies and auto manufacturers to the list of corporate welfare recipients.

And, these banks who have already gone to Uncle Sam, hat in hand, and taken billions of dollars in government bailout money are still setting aside billions to dole out for year end bonuses! This is by every possible measure the worst year our financial industry has seen since the Great Depression, but the Wall St. fat-cat bankers and high rollers still think they deserve the same gluttonous bonuses as always.

Their sense of entitlement simply boggles the mind.

What it all boils down to is Republicans taking taxpayer dollars and redistributing the wealth to other Republicans. This has got to be the single biggest heist, the biggest fraud, mankind has ever witnessed, and it’s happening right before our eyes.

It’s absolutely despicable. I’m voting Democrat to put an end to Republican Socialism.

By darren

October 28, 2008 11:16 AM | Link to this

I believe the fairtax could be good for all Americans. A progressive national retail sales tax. A prebate to ensure no American pays federal taxes on spending up to the poverty level. Dollar-for-dollar federal revenue neutrality. Repeal of the 16th Amendment through companion legislation.

Yes, I copied and pasted, sorry.

fairtax.org

By getalife

October 28, 2008 11:17 AM | Link to this

Bosch,

Yes, we are.

By Bosch

October 28, 2008 11:18 AM | Link to this

tcoach,

Do you know what a rhetorical question is? It’s an open ended question posed in a way that is not only absurd and ludacrous, but also posed in a way where there is no possibility for a REAL ANSWER.

It’s the kind of questions that children or teenagers use when arguing with their parents.

It’s the kind of question people ask when they can not argue a point with facts and use rhetoric, inuendos, and false talking points in a really feeble attempt at making themselves look somewhat credible, but usually backfires resulting, in most cases, making the person who poses such question actually look quite retarded.

Just saying.

By Paul

October 28, 2008 11:19 AM | Link to this

Bosch

As I ran down your list about why you’re voting Republican I became extremely concerned for your immortal soul.

Then I realized it’s your immoral soul and stopped worrying.

Do Democrats even have souls?

And is Claire really a good person?

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 28, 2008 11:21 AM | Link to this

tcoach….

what’s with you and corporal and that whole cat got your tongue thing?

By AmVet

October 28, 2008 11:22 AM | Link to this

It will be interesting to see if the people of Alaska vote right back into office a convicted liar and thief.

It seems that between him, Don Young and Sarah Palin, that state has more that it’s fair share of porkers at the trough…

By Goldie

October 28, 2008 11:23 AM | Link to this

Bosch and getalife — yes we are!

And the sun will shine brighter in January ‘09!

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 28, 2008 11:23 AM | Link to this

tcoach

what a lovely woman you are! how gracious are your words!

By Bosch

October 28, 2008 11:24 AM | Link to this

darren,

The only problem with a fair tax is that it is not fair to the middle and lower class because they spend a proportionate amount of their money on necessary items such as food, utilities, gas, cars to go to work, etc. The lower and middle class would spend the same amount of money on these items as the wealthy and then not have anything left over for things like going out to eat, going to the movies, etc.

Sure, we can all stay home and not spend any money on little things like that, but then more people in industries such as tourism, food/beverage, movies, etc. would lose their job and you’d see an increase in more social welfare programs.

But if that’s okay with you, then so be it. It’s not okay with me.

By jon

October 28, 2008 11:25 AM | Link to this

Redistributive change. He was discussing the the redistribution of wealth.

And when he told Joe the Plumber that the wealth needed to be spread around, he meant ??????

And when he said he wanted to increase the Capital Gains tax even if it meant a loss of revenue for the governement, because it woould be fair, he meant?????

Barry’s motives are clear. Wealth redistribution. Take from those that work hard and give to those that don’t. Many poor people understand this clearly. They get the message and believe that Nov 4 will be the equivalent of hitting the lottery.

By AmVet

October 28, 2008 11:26 AM | Link to this

Bosch @11:18,

What if there were no rhetorical questions?

By JEn

October 28, 2008 11:28 AM | Link to this

Wow, AJC/DNC, welcome late to the game…sheesh…

By darren

October 28, 2008 11:30 AM | Link to this

Hey Bosch,

How about making many of those exempt? I know local taxes will still be there but it would be great to not need a tax accountant any longer. Current tax code 66,000 pages. Do you know how many loop holes are in there? I don’t. I think it may help Repubs and DEMs behave better.

By tcoach

October 28, 2008 11:30 AM | Link to this

It was not intended to be a rhetorical question. i was curious if you sll give money as liberally as you expect others to.

With your answer I feel like you are saying that it was a rhetorical questaion, meaning that your answer is of course we do not give our money away.
I am then left to wonder are you one of those going to recieve a check, or do you just blindly follow Obama.

Why can none of you give me a straight answer for my question. This is how the entire campaign has gone. Blame and make fun of the questioner. Yet when are we going to get actual answers.

I was not trying to be wise or disrespectful in the questioning. Do you not find it telling though that there have been multiple responses, all attacking me to some degree, yet I have not recieved a yes or no, or even this is why. Only attacks very telling, apparently you all attack those that do not share the same world view as you all do.

By Chris Salzmann

October 28, 2008 11:32 AM | Link to this

Here’s a little blurb regarding that 2001 interview from Factcheck.org. LOL…..They’re getting desperate out there. BTW, this gets the McCain campaign 2 pinnochios for this gem.

Did Obama really say what the McCain camp says he said?

The Facts

“Obama Bombshell Audio Uncovered. He wants to Radically Reinterpret the Constitution to Redistribute Wealth!!” runs the YouTube headline from the conservative video blog Naked Emperor News. “This video exposes the radical beneath the rhetoric.”

On closer inspection, the “bombshell audio” turns out to be a rather wonkish, somewhat impenetrable, discussion of the Supreme Court under Earl Warren. Obama, then a University of Chicago law professor and Illinois state senator, argued that the courts have traditionally been reluctant to get involved in income distribution questions. He suggested that the civil rights movement had made a mistake in expecting too much from the courts — and that such issues were better decided by the legislative branch of government.

You can read the entire transcript of the interview here, courtesy of Fox News, but here is the passage in which Obama explains that courts are “not very good” at redistributing wealth:

Maybe I am showing my bias here as a legislator as well as a law professor, but you know I am not optimistic about bringing about major redistributive change through the courts. You know the institution just isn't structured that way.... Any of the three of us sitting here could come up with a rationale for bringing about economic change through the courts. I think that, as a practical matter, that our institutions are just poorly equipped to do it.

In other words, Obama says pretty much the opposite of what the McCain camp says he said. Contrary to the spin put on his remarks by McCain economics adviser Douglas Holtz-Eakin, he does not express “regret” that the Supreme Court has not been more “radical.” Nor does he describe the Court’s refusal to take up economic redistribution questions as a “tragedy.” He uses the word “tragedy” to refer not to the Supreme Court, but to the civil rights movement:

One of the tragedies of the civil rights movement was that the civil rights movement became so court focused, I think, there was a tendency to lose track of the political and organizing activities on the ground that are able to bring about the coalitions of power through which you bring about redistributive change.

Holtz-Eakin “read a different interview to the one I heard,” said Dennis Hutchinson, a University of Chicago law professor who joined Obama in the panel discussion. “Obama said that redistribution of wealth issues need to be decided by legislatures, not by the courts. That is what a progressive income tax is all about.”

While there are sharp differences between the two candidates on economic issues, they both favor a progressive income tax system in which people with high incomes are taxed at a higher rate than people with low incomes.

The Pinocchio Test

With very few exceptions, all American politicians, including both presidential candidates, are in favor of a progressive income tax system and welfare policies (such as Medicare and Social Security) that “redistribute wealth.” Barack Obama is more enthusiastic about “spreading the wealth around” than his Republican rival. But that does not make him a “Socialist.” The McCain camp is wrong to suggest that the Illinois senator advocated an “wealth redistribution” role for the Supreme Court in his 2001 interview.

By Midori

October 28, 2008 11:34 AM | Link to this

Jon,

how do you do it?

As hard as you suck on Limbaugh’s shriveled up penis, you leave absolutely no teeth marks.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 28, 2008 11:36 AM | Link to this

Darren, You will never get the lazy libs to agree to the fair tax because of what Bosch said. Not his acual words, but his belief it is unfair some people make more than his wife does. I truly think these dunces think the only difference in wealthy and poor is some are fortunate and some aren’t. I don’t think they have the first dam clue the guts and hard work it takes to make a business successful. To them, it’s all luck and since you were “lucky” you should share with the rest of them. How else do you explain this overwhelming facination with getting at rich people’s money?

Make no mistake about it, the liberals in this nation are not voting for change, they’re voting for CASH. They want the evil rich person’s money and Obama has promised he’ll take it from them for them.

For future reference for the conservatives here. Having moral conversations with immoral people is pointless. Expecting them to care about Obama’s shady friends is an example. They’re only shady to you because you have a moral foundation to draw that conclusion from. God hating liberals have no moral foundation from which to draw the same conclusions. You may as well be speaking mandarin chinese to them. Pointless.

By Bosch

October 28, 2008 11:37 AM | Link to this

Paul,

My “immoral” soul or my “immortal” soul? Or was that an intended typo? :-)

Because if you think my soul is immoral, then I can ask - only God can judge whether or not my soul is immoral, and well, I guess he/she/it has the authority on whether or not my soul is immortal as well.

But, on to more important matters.

Claire? Gee. I dunno. We know that she certainly turns rather evil as seen in the first couple of episodes, but they keep going back and forth in time and somebody dies and then POOF - no they didn’t, and um, well, maybe it’s metaphorical for “we are all good and evil depending on the second of the particular time-space contiuum we are existing in at any particular moment”?

Ya think?

By Chris Salzmann

October 28, 2008 11:39 AM | Link to this