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DEL.ICIO.USSarah Palin and the Southern Strategy
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
If you average the five most recent presidential polls taken in Georgia, John McCain is up by only 3.6 points on Barack Obama, which makes it conceivable but still unlikely that the state will turn blue in 2008.
That fits in nicely with the premise of Harold Meyerson in American Prospect, who focuses somewhat on Virginia and more intently on North Carolina to test his thesis that this election could kill the GOP’s longtime Southern Strategy.
Certainly, if Virginia and North Carolina both go Democratic in a year in which the ticket is headed by a black man, the Southern Strategy is indeed bankrupt. Losing Georgia would be the coup de grace, and would actually be a very good thing for the Republican Party, and thus for the country.
If this election ends as current trends indicate, the GOP is about to be banished to the political wilderness. The amount of time it is forced to stay there depends on how the party handles its exile. If most of its moderate members go down to defeat, leaving it a core of deeply conservative officeholders concentrated in the South, the party could turn even more insular in defeat, and even more strongly in the grip of its evangelical base. A regional party simmering in its own bitterness would do no one any good, and would give Democrats a dangerously free hand in Washington for a long time.
However, losing Virginia, North Carolina and even Georgia would make it pretty apparent that such a strategy would be hopeless, and a new approach is needed. (Indiana, for purposes of this analysis, could also be considered a Southern state, and it too could turn blue for the first time in decades.) Losses in those areas would make it clear that the party needs a different message, that the failures of ‘08 were not merely a case of picking the wrong messenger in John McCain, as some on the right will try to claim.
Sarah Palin is another matter entirely. If the election doesn’t turn around — and that “if” gets smaller with each passing day — the GOP will break at least temporarily into two separate groups, and Palin will be the symbol and in some ways the cause of that break. She remains much beloved by the party base, and in truth has improved as a campaigner. But the polling data is quite clear that she has been poison at the box office, as they say in show biz. Palin’s selection electrified the base but drove off millions of moderates and independents.
The situation was dramatized this week when conservative legal scholar Charles Fried, the soIicitor general under Ronald Reagan, a revered figure among Republican intellectuals and a prominent campaign adviser to McCain, announced he had voted for Obama. The main reason he cited “is the choice of Sarah Palin at a time of deep national crisis.”
In a sense, then, the post-election GOP will consist of a Palin wing clinging to the Southern Strategy and all its cultural baggage, and an anti-Palin wing demanding a new strategy and a new look at how the party defines itself.
That is the battleground on which the GOP’s future will be decided.
UPDATE: I see where Politico is reporting that Palin/anti-Palin split already apparent within the McCain campaign itself.
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By bob harper
October 25, 2008 9:08 AM | Link to this
IF i were a republican,iwould be ashamed at the petty gimmick of putting sex before country.can we juxtapose palin and erudition?
By "The Corporal"
October 25, 2008 9:19 AM | Link to this
from bondage to spiritual faith 1776 from spiritual faith to great courage from courage to liberty from liberty to abundance from abundance to complacency from complacency to apathy from apathy to dependence 2008 From dependence back into bondage
Thanks Democrats
By "The Corporal"
October 25, 2008 9:24 AM | Link to this
As You Drink Your Coffee
1) Oct 24, 2008
Chicago Beats New York, Los Angeles In Murders
CHICAGO (CBS) ― Chicago is the Second City in nickname and the third in population, but when it comes to murder, the city has the dubious distinction of being second to no city in America.
Democrat controlled and Barry’s hometown they forgot to add.
2) Government computers used to find information on Joe the Plumber; Investigators trying to determine whether access was illegal…
Developing
By AJC/DNC Management
October 25, 2008 9:25 AM | Link to this
Aahhh, yes, the liberals are dictating what we should do and what we should be, again.
Isn’t that special?
You got that Repugs, if we want to ever, ever get back into power again, the liberals think we should become baby killing, tax and spend America haters.
Uh, no thanks.
In fact, I think we should go ahead on and lat the American people exercise their constitutional right to vote, as much as the liberals want to stop it.
We’ll see what happens.
By john
October 25, 2008 9:33 AM | Link to this
The Republican Party is struggling because of the economic crisis. Governing Parties all over the world are in a similar position. Within 2 years the Democrats will face the same predicament. A President Obama will lose the succeeding election in 2012. Reason: His tax promises do not stack up. His policy platform will collapse. His promises are unsustainable. Voters need to wake up before it is too late. Palin HAS executive experience. Obama HAS none. What exactly is Obama’s economic expertise???? Flowery language does not a policy make.
By SOUTHERN ATL
October 25, 2008 9:35 AM | Link to this
FOR THE SECOND WEEK NOW….READ MY POST….
The people of GEORGIA have BARACK OBAMA and JOHN MARTIN….on their minds…just an old sweet song…one that is sung when standing in the LONG LONG voting lines…even in the rain…Geogia, old Georgia the whole day through..just an old sweet song that keeps GEORGIA ON OUR MINDS to turn BLUE!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxaajpwInFU&feature=related
JAY, I told you that this will be the BIGGEST upset of the SOUTH!!!
PLEASE VOTE BEFORE NOVEMBER 4
YOU BETCHA!!!
By TW
October 25, 2008 9:46 AM | Link to this
The GOP tightened it’s grasp on the South when ‘redneck’ replaced ‘southern,’ arrogance replacing humility. Obviously, the results have been disastrous.
Blinded by EGO, the right is apparently unable to see that Sarah Palin, through her acceptance of a position for which she is nowhere near qualified, personifies the arrogance at the root of the Republican downfall down here. In ten more days, Sarah Palin will disappear from our TVs for good, except for maybe an episode or two on the Springer Show.
Not to mention the fact that anybody who thinks Palin could win a National GOP primary is dreaming.
By Taxpayer
October 25, 2008 9:52 AM | Link to this
Good morning, Jay.
I was intrigued with your title for this entry. Why did you choose to use “Palin” and “strategy” in the same phrase and what evidence do you offer to support such a bold statement? Further, I cannot even fathom an extension of the word “strategy” to any Republican party member unless said “strategy” was to ensure the complete and utter collapse of the Republican party while simultaneously destroying the economies of nations in some perverted end of times stratagem.
By Just Curious
October 25, 2008 9:58 AM | Link to this
Is anybody filming the long voting lines in Dekalb, Fulton and Clayton counties to see how many times the same people vote over and over again?
I think law enforcement should be doing this at the very minimum.
Or perhaps some concerned private citizens?
By SOUTHERN ATL
October 25, 2008 9:58 AM | Link to this
JAY,
On November 4, 2008, the Congress in Washington D.C. will come to order…They will ask SENATOR SAXBY CHAMBLISS to stand…speeches will be made…and a song will be dedicated…here is it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3YSHwJ_SAA&feature=related
By carole2
October 25, 2008 10:00 AM | Link to this
As long as the black vote continues to meet or exceed 32%, Georgia is pretty certain to turn blue. (It’s been steady around 36%.)
The Republicans should be heartened if Virginia, NC and Georgia all go blue. It will be the first time that their favorite war strategy, the domino theory, actually worked.
By hillbilly ragger
October 25, 2008 10:07 AM | Link to this
Jay, to add to all your good points, I’ll just offer that for all we’re hearing about Palin’s potentially bright future within the (increasingly fragmented, Fundamentalist-dominated) GOP and her possible prospects for a 2012 Presidential run, a bucket of cold water.
Far as I can tell, nobody’s losing VP candidate ever went anywhere on a national political scale after losing.
(If anyone can think of an example to the contrary I’d be interested in knowing about it.)
By George
October 25, 2008 10:08 AM | Link to this
Look, when I read these comments, all I see are people attacking people. We are a country of TWO parties, and half of us are Democrats. The Republican party has had 20 of the last 28 years to try to take this country in a positive direction, and all we have gotten out of it is half the world hating us. Don’t you see? When we look at the world against us, we see a reflection of ourselves.
Democrats in this country have stepped aside for a long time, with every election but one we have lost, and moved on. Today, we, ALL OF US, should see the opportunity to let a new generation take the lead in running our country.
The new generation of Americans can see each other as Americans, not black and white, male and female, northern and southern, but as a collection of Americans. What is wrong with letting that generation of American people take the lead for a change?
I see no good coming from the election of a 72 year old man that doesn’t have the first clue of how a typical American lives. Nor, should he not make it through his first term (and anyone with a brain MUST understand that that is a significant possibility), having a religious fanatic VP take control of this country.
Yes, Sarah Palin seems like someone you could have a coffee and biscuit with, but running this country takes a bit more than that. We have to be REAL about her. Think what you are doing when you consider Sarah as President of this great country! The world would laugh at us as if we were a bunch of idiots.
She stated in an interview that, should something happen to John McCain, she would go in her own direction. Do you have the first idea what that direction is? Are you not curious as to the direction she would lead us? This person thinks humans and dinosaurs shared space on this earth shortly after it was made about 5000 years ago. If that does not scare you, then you should not be voting this election year.
By Ray
October 25, 2008 10:12 AM | Link to this
Bookman,
One of your better comments ….”will give the Democrats a dangerously free hand in Washington for a long time”. Can you honestly say that Democratic control of the Congress and the presidency with no filibuster control is a good thing for our country? The electorate does not trust their elected legislators…. polls in the low double digits, no matter what their party affiliation. Can’t wait to see the latest poll on what the electorate thinks of Congress since the financial debacle surfaced.
By Ray
October 25, 2008 10:18 AM | Link to this
ragger,
How ‘bout Richard Nixon?
By JAY BOOKMAN
October 25, 2008 10:20 AM | Link to this
Well, Ragger, offhand I can think of the case of Gov. James Cox of Ohio, the founder of Cox Newspapers which owns this website and also the 1920 Democratic nominee for president.
He lost, but his running mate was a young man named Franklin Roosevelt.
By hillbilly ragger
October 25, 2008 10:20 AM | Link to this
“A President Obama will lose the succeeding election in 2012. Reason: His tax promises do not stack up. His policy platform will collapse.”
Anyone else remember hearing this in 1992? Clinton’s crazy schemes to — gasp, horror, shock! — impose teensy-weensy percentage hikes on high income earners were going to “ruin the economy.”
It was an absurd assertion then, it’s even more ridiculous now. Obama certainly isn’t guaranteed re-election in 2012 if he wins in 2008, true, but I really, really doubt that another teensy-weensy percentage hike back to where the rates were in the mid-nineties is going to “collapse” the economy.
What does seem almost certain to screw things up would be continuing to run in the red and hand out tax cuts to rich Americans as McCain would have us do. (Not that there’d be a chance in hell of that actually happening with a Democratically controlled Senate and Congress, of course.)
By AmVet
October 25, 2008 10:24 AM | Link to this
Based on their endless opinions which are almost always full of derision, malevolent, bigoted epithets, broad sweeping generalities and cherry-picked, out of context misinformation, one must conclude that some here are very bitter, very angry old men.
It is amazing to me that a tiny cadre of seniorile delinquents can take a blog hostage and reduce the level of discourse to the puerile nonsense seen here each and every day. But it would appear that this endless circle jerk with alternating pivot men, is likely never to cease and so any real attempts at learning useful, relevant information is needlessly difficult.
To those who agree with this observation, keep up the good fight .
And to everyone, enjoy your day and weekend!
Off to help pay for the occupation.
And bailout.
Pray for rain.
Republican Bloodbath, Part Deux. Coming to an election everywhere in 10 days.
By Dennis
October 25, 2008 10:27 AM | Link to this
Jay; I agree with you it is critical for the left to destroy Palin during this election cycle. If you are not successful in destroying her and McCain loses, she will be the foundation of the Republican return to power.
So go forth JAY. Attack Palin. Do you best to destroy her. This is your best chance to show your power. Fail now, allow Palin to survive and ………
Hey Jay. Can we have just one more Ashley Todd post. Some of these Dim-Libs have not completly flushed their system yet.
Thank you.
By Goldie
October 25, 2008 10:37 AM | Link to this
Palin may be the “new face” of the Repug Party for 2012, but I predict the non-extremist faction (or “the moderates”) will have to form their own Party if they want to get back to the roots of true conservatism. And true conservatism has nothing to do with any religious tests. Palin represents the religious extremist wing of the Repugs and they are the cause of their Party’s implosion today.
It should be verrry interesting in 2012 where their Party decides to go next.
By TW
October 25, 2008 10:38 AM | Link to this
Are we to assume the rightwing would have treated a nominee elect Hillary with the same velvet gloves they now seek for Palin?
Dennis - Sarah needs no help with destroying herself. It is actually in the Dems best interest to keep her afloat following a McCain loss, for she could tote just enough of the snake-oil to infect another loss for the right in 2012.
The girl is a presidential loser and it’s better for the Dems if the right does NOT figure this out.
By TW
October 25, 2008 10:45 AM | Link to this
Perhaps the GOP knew they were going to lose, and to soften this they are attempting to set back women’s efforts fifty years with this Palin business?
After all, selecting the unqualified, yet attractive Palin for the VP pretty much says that a woman is born with everything she needs.
By Goldie
October 25, 2008 10:45 AM | Link to this
Dennis @ 10:27 — I do believe Palin is the one who has destroyed herself by attempting to elevate herself onto the national stage, when all she knows about is Alaska and its efforts to secede from the Union. She will even be lucky to retain her positive ratings in the state of Alaska, after embarrassing that state so badly during this election campaign.
I have a long-time friend who has been living in Anchorage for the past decade, and believe me, Palin is now a big embarrassment to Alaska.
By RW-(the original)
October 25, 2008 11:03 AM | Link to this
The only part of Jay’s thesis that the Politico story really backs up is where he says she’s gotten to be a better campaigner lately. The Politico story says she has begun to shake free of her handlers and show her true self. So if seeing the true Sarah Palin makes even an irrational hater like Jay see her as improving just imagine what people that aren’t eaten up with PDS will see leading into 2012 and I see her as the 2012 candidate even if McCain pulls this one out.
By Taxpayer
October 25, 2008 11:18 AM | Link to this
Jay,
It sure looks like any of the Republican party members with any functioning brain cells have pretty much done their bailin’ on Palin. The only ones left to support her are the ones that have no future to be concerned about anyway — the end of times clan, for example. A pretty face will suit them just fine.
By Tom
October 25, 2008 11:19 AM | Link to this
When a man proves he can’t even run a campaign and his party is in such disaray why would anyone want him to be President? All this is proven by his choice of Palin and any lack of strategy, other than lies and ignorance, and in this case, “ignorance is bliss” is not anywhere close to being true. As many well known Republicans are doing, I pray that the public will pay attention and vote for change. Obama-08
By getalife
October 25, 2008 11:26 AM | Link to this
Palin was chosen to energize the gullible base.
It showed McCain’s country first bs is just bs.
He ran a horrible campaign and deserves to lose.
By London Bloke
October 25, 2008 11:27 AM | Link to this
Liberal come from the word ‘Free’ - why are americans so down on that word?
The ‘liberal’ press - literally the free press, i.e. not the press that are forced to say biased things (like Fox).
It’s a word therefore that should be celebrated as a great American tradition rather than used in disdain.
By "The Corporal"
October 25, 2008 11:27 AM | Link to this
To George
Your words were very eloquent and the best yet I have seen outling the demise of this once great Republic. Once the despotic parts of the world likes us and no longer see us as a threat it’s over.
Don’t know how old you are but when it happens no whining please.
By Dennis
October 25, 2008 11:29 AM | Link to this
Goldie (10:45): I understand why you profess to believe that Palin is destroying herself. Otherwise you would have to acknowledge what the media have done. Yes I understand your defense mechanism. You need to believe.
TW (10:38): I almost did not respond to your post. I could not determine your position:
Is it based on a lack of understanding of “the girl”, Governor Palin, and her real threat to Dems or do you understand the danger and posed this “we want her around” as a distraction.
By Draco
October 25, 2008 11:32 AM | Link to this
Sorry, but if you think Sarah Palin is good looking, PEOPLE YOU BEEN DUPED!!! She’s just another ugly American woman. Her views and moral judgments makes her even MORE ugly than her make up and hair, (Dear GODS that thing is atrociously!!). I do think this is a defining, and dividing, moment for the republican party. And as a member of that party, I for one want a split or a change!!!
By RW-(the original)
October 25, 2008 11:33 AM | Link to this
Here’s a word from another of the moonbat’s favorites.
Our friend Michele Bachmann has a new ad out for the final ten days of the campaign, and it corrects a mistake she made in last week’s appearance on Hardball. “I may not always get my words right,” Rep. Bachmann says, “but I know my heart is right”:
Check out the third comment.
By Ackmed
October 25, 2008 11:36 AM | Link to this
Hello again, blessed reader!
It was with much regret that I could not speak to you thee last several days, but my sleeper cell was being smuggled into thee United States.
Oh, what a horrible journey it was, they stuffed us into thee trunk of thee Prius and put us on thee boat, I thought I was going to die! I could not move and I was filled with such fright, I longed to be back in thee Gitmo, where I could pray all day and eat like a pig once again. Only my faith in thee blessed Oblahma and thee prophet mohammed, peace be upon him, kept me from going insane.
Americans drive such tiny little cars.
But here we are, among thee infidels in Atlanta, so many things that we could blow up, if we had only remembered to bring thee explosives vests.
I have already been registered by ACORN and we have voted for thee Oblahmi fifteen times but thee poll workers said we were overdoing it, we at least had to leave thee polling place for a little while.
Oh, how thee American people whine and moan, thee man that was with us complained all day long that he only got one cigarette for each vote and it took him forever to get his 3 cartons so far, thee ingrate. Does he not realize that this is his blessed duty to bring thee Oblahmi into the high office as thee koran foretells? How else will we get the wingnut armies out of thee blessed land of thee prophet and return to thee glorious days of bombing American cities with thee airplane?
I told him that back in thee Mecca we would saw his apostate head off of his shoulders, that quieted him down some.
So now we are driving thee homeless people from the overpasses to thee polling place, later we are going to thee sexual offender halfway houses to make a few trips from there.
Then it will be back to thee line at thee polling place for more cigarettes!
I hate America!
Allah Akbar!
Yes we can!
By TW
October 25, 2008 11:39 AM | Link to this
Dennis - cut it any way you want - Sarah Palin is dead weight for the GOP and failing to cut her loose following the election loss will only bring about another in 2012.
She is ‘w’ in drag and ‘w’ is a loser.
Holding on to Palin will have the same consequences for the party that the Dems suffered when they put up Mondale in ‘84.
Let it go, Dennis - redefine and rebuild.
By Shawn
October 25, 2008 11:40 AM | Link to this
Post-election Republican Motto: NO WOMEN ALLOWED.
Between Palin, that wild-eyed woman from Minnesota, and that maniac volunteer from TX, the GOP has managed to turn Republican women into serious baggage.
Maybe if they hadn’t USED them the way they did, it’d be different. (Karl Rove? I’m talking to you.)
I suspect we won’t be seeing a lot more beauty queen politicians coming from the GOP for a while.
By getalife
October 25, 2008 11:41 AM | Link to this
Lets check out Saturday toon
Today, LSU whoops some dawgs.
Geaux Tigers!
By ByteMe
October 25, 2008 11:44 AM | Link to this
What is the GOP brand?
The problem is that the first part of the brand just got thoroughly obsoleted with this economic crisis and the second part of the brand only appeals to about 20% or so of the voting population (mostly southern baptist evangelicals).
The problem is that this economic crisis cannot be properly addressed with the GOP dogma of “tax cuts for everyone and less regulation for markets and businesses and less government”. McCain tried that, but it was a complete bust and showed how out of sync with reality that dogma really is.
As for social conservatism, it’s always been at odds with the liberatarian idea that “less government is good government”, which was no more obvious than the way the GOP used the Congress to save one brain-dead woman in Florida. How contradictory can you get?
And as much as the rightwingers hate it, Jay is right: a one party system is NOT good for the country, regardless of which party is in control. See USA, 2002-2006.
I think the only difference (at least early on) is that the Democrats believe that government can be a force for good and Republicans believe that government is bad, so I’d rather leave the keys to the kingdom with those who at least think they can do better via government.
But I wouldn’t want to leave them the keys for too long. Power eventually corrupts ideals.
That said, if the GOP doesn’t step back like the Democrats did in 2004 and say “Where the heck did we go so wrong as a party?”, then they stay in the wilderness for years. But they’re smarter than the average blogger out here, so I expect they will do that period of introspection and come back with something that appeals to more than just the 20%-ers out there.
I expect they’ll stop courting the ever-shrinking religio-fascist wing of the party and focus more on re-capturing the center via fiscal policy that is geared toward the middle class and the overall economic health of the country.
When the economy is good, it’s all about “security”, which the GOP brand already owns; when the economy is bad, it’s all about “economy”, which the GOP used to own, but now we know that their policies weren’t up to 21st century problems (or, even 1930’s problems).
Cultural issues? For most of the electorate, those are a luxury. A distraction. When times are good, you can look at them; when times are tough, no one cares about them. With any kind of luck, the GOP will go back to being cultural scolds (“Just say No”) instead of cultural cops.
By SOUTHERN ATL
October 25, 2008 11:49 AM | Link to this
JAY, I spoke to an old friend of mine over in ALABAMA….He told me that they were not voting early over there but he was thrilled at how we are turning out in Georgia for BARACK OBAMA…He said that the people in the Great State of Alabama is excited and that there would be massive turnouts there on November 4. I told him that GEORGIA has OBAMA on their mind..He said that ALABAMA DOES TOO!! He said that he went to a bar and they were playing the following song and shouting…OBAMA…OBAMA!!!
I guess that the whole SOUTH is fired up!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akeVi8JaY9o
By Kevin
October 25, 2008 11:55 AM | Link to this
I ABSOLUTELY trust a DEM controlled government. After 6 years of Republican control, regression. Then 2 years of slim majority for Dems in congress, deadlock. The religious right has turned conservativism into a joke, and trickle down economics has been myth busted. Let’s get them all out, replace them with real progressive minds, and get this train back on the right track. VOTE DEMOCRAT in 08!!!
By BDAtlanta
October 25, 2008 12:08 PM | Link to this
Can you smell the landslide? Mmmmmmmm.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/10/25/obamas_lead/
By RW-(the original)
October 25, 2008 12:09 PM | Link to this
Uh oh, it’s not looking good for Stuart Smalley
UNBELIEVABLE: COLEMAN ENDORSED BY THE STAR TRIBUNE!!!
By AJC/DNC Management
October 25, 2008 12:10 PM | Link to this
John Kerry wants New Deal II
As I recall it took World War 2 to end the great depression which was exacerbated by mindless government spending programs, programs that still threaten our future this very day, so who do you think we will have to go to war with now, China or Russia?
Or both of them?
You think Oblahma scares them?
President Palin is going to have her hands full in 2013.
By Bud Wiser
October 25, 2008 12:23 PM | Link to this
I don’t think Sarah Palin is the story anymore.
I looks like The Token One must now prove he is an American citizen.
Where is this in the so-called media?
Obama/Biden/ ‘08 - making it hard you are qualified to be President, oh yes, and stupid
By pj
October 25, 2008 12:32 PM | Link to this
John McCain has run the worst campaign in U.S. history. What is the measure of a man who can’t keep to one constant issue. “IT’S THE ECONOMY STUPID!!!’ The economy trumps all other issues and always will when we are in a fix. Scare tactics, character assassination, pandering, fringe issues, and who’s more patriotic will not work this time. Also, for the first time I actually feel sorry or Palin. Not because of any negative or positive attributes but because she is going to be blamed for this mess of a campaign. And now McCain is pushing away ftom the very silver spoon he has been feeding from for the last four years. George W. Bush has become Person Non Grata. I would like to say to McCain, “John, be a man and stick to your guns”. He has played water carrier to long now to put much distance between himself and W. Maybe he should have continued to play nice and he might have gotten a “code red terrorist alert” a few days before the election.
By hillbilly ragger
October 25, 2008 12:32 PM | Link to this
Aw, man, I forgot about FDR. Good catch, Jay.
Ray, Richard Nixon wasn’t unsuccessful as a VP candidate, but rather as a Presidential candidate in 1960, which is why I wasn’t thinking of him.
By hillbilly ragger
October 25, 2008 12:38 PM | Link to this
“Where is this in the so-called media?”
in the “nuts and flakes” file where it belongs.
Hey, if it gives conservatives something to cling to in the waning days of a failed bid to retain control of the Federal government, I’m ok with that.
By "The Corporal"
October 25, 2008 12:38 PM | Link to this
Deo Vindice
By TW
October 25, 2008 12:39 PM | Link to this
While it is a ruse that Obama was born outside the US, we know for a fact that McCain was born in Panama. While this, because of his parents’ citizenship, makes him a citizen, it certainly disqualifies him as a ‘natural born’ citizen.
And I think it says something about ‘natural born’ someplace…
By Hardtaill
October 25, 2008 12:42 PM | Link to this
Lest any of you think that an idiot like Joe Biden could be a Vice President, think again. And while you’r at it, get used to Sarah Palin. She’s qualified.
‘Tail.
By ByteMe
October 25, 2008 12:43 PM | Link to this
AJC/DNC: You recall incorrectly.
The bottom of the depression was 1936, so everything after that was “coming out of it”. By 1939, we were cranking up the war machinery, so production was going up up up. But the bear market in stocks didn’t end until after the war was over, since the economy had lots of raw goods shortages until then (raw goods were being redirected to the war effort).
As for “mindless government programs” exacerbating the depression, wrong again. It was the Fed cutting off the money supply at the same time banks really needed more money in the system that made the depression worse (along with a monster multi-year drought in the plains states). FDR made some bad moves, but mostly good moves to get the country past the depression.
Interestingly, many of the moves that FDR did to tame the markets were originally proposed by his cousin Teddy about 25+ years earlier (in response to a market crisis in the 1907 timeframe), but Teddy was blocked by Congress from being able to fully implement those ideas.
By Booger
October 25, 2008 12:45 PM | Link to this
Bud, you’re on a helluva losing streak and you seem bound and determined to guarantee it continues. Haven’t you embarrassed yourself enough? Really. Give yourself a break.
You ask: “Where is that story in the so-called media?” Here it is, Bud — from the Philadelphia Daily News:
“A federal judge in Philadelphia last night threw out a complaint by a Montgomery County lawyer who claimed that Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama was not qualified to be president and that his name should be removed from the Nov. 4 ballot.
Philip J. Berg alleged in a complaint filed in federal district court on Aug. 21 against Obama, the Democratic National Committee and the Federal Election Commission, that Obama was born in Mombasa, Kenya.
Obama and the Democratic National Committee had asked (U.S. District Judge R. Barclay) Surrick to dismiss Berg’s complaint in a court filing on Sept. 24.
They said that Berg’s claims were “ridiculous” and “patently false,” that Berg had “no standing” to challenge the qualifications of a candidate for president because he had not shown the requisite harm to himself.
Surrick agreed.
In a 34-page memorandum and opinion, the judge said Berg’s allegations of harm were “too vague and too attenuated” to confer standing on him or any other voters.
Surrick ruled that Berg’s attempts to use certain laws to gain standing to pursue his claim that Obama was not a natural-born citizen were “frivolous and not worthy of discussion.”
So Bud: What’s your NEXT act of desperate lunacy?
By "The Corporal"
October 25, 2008 12:46 PM | Link to this
To TW
Sigh………it means born in this country or to United States citizen parents as opposed to an foreign national immigrant who has become a U.S. citizen knucklehead.
But while you’re at it check this out:
http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/obamabirthcertificate/2008/10/24/143882.html?s=al&promo_code=6E2D-1
Sigh
By Morningstar
October 25, 2008 12:47 PM | Link to this
By George October 25, 2008 10:08 AM Think what you are doing when you consider Sarah as President of this great country! The world would laugh at us as if we were a bunch of idiots.
They already are (laughing at us). “You betcha” would take us further into oblivion than “My Pet Goat.”
By Tom October 25, 2008 11:19 AM can’t even run a campaign and his party is in such disaray why would anyone want him to be President? All this is proven by his choice of Palin and any lack of strategy
Palin was chosen (IMHO) because the GOP thought she would appeal to the christain right. Note I didn’t say “Christains,” I said “Christain Right.” Big difference here. Some of the GOP was dissatisfied with McCain’s ‘liberal’ take on some issues. Unfortunately this move backfired in their faces. She may be a nice woman, but totally unqualified to be president, and a loose cannon if ever one existed. Huckabee would have been the best choice, but then he would have outshined McCain. Poor GOP.
Can’t blame her for spiffing up in that $150,000 plus wardrobe though. She needed clothes much worse than Edwards needed a haircut!
By Kevin October 25, 2008 11:55 AM I ABSOLUTELY trust a DEM controlled government. After 6 years of Republican control, regression. Then 2 years of slim majority for Dems in congress, deadlock.
We definitely need a change. The country absolutely cannot withstand another four years of the same. Unemployment is devistating many areas of the country, and the money for assistance is not there. Gotta keep a war going…..
By hillbilly ragger
October 25, 2008 12:51 PM | Link to this
Yeah, Byteme, thanks for correcting something that’s a bit of a pet peeve of mine, this notion that FDR “needed” WWII to get the country out of the Depression.
While it’s hard to gauge what our economy would’ve looked like had we somehow avoided that war from happening (hell, it’s hard to imagine that war not happening, period) it’s hardly a given that redirecting so many resources to building armaments, ships and planes really did us any long-term favors.
Put another way—who knows what kind of infrastructure improvements we might’ve seen but for WWII’s intrusion.
By ByteMe
October 25, 2008 12:52 PM | Link to this
Booger, you said: So Bud: What’s your NEXT act of desperate lunacy?
Arrgh!! Don’t encourage him!!
By "The Corporal"
October 25, 2008 12:52 PM | Link to this
I have a serious question. And let’s not make it about Obama. Due to illegal immigration this could be a real issue down the road………….
Let’s suppose, that a hispanic president is elected and after the first year in office, absolute proof is developed that he/she is not a U.S. citizen but he/she refuses to resign. What do you think would happen?
This would make a great book or movie.
By TW
October 25, 2008 12:56 PM | Link to this
“Grunt” - it’s amazing that someone of your intellect would be on such a losing end of pretty much everything nowadays.
Of course, alas, you have figured me out. But I was only trying to play the retarded game started by the brethren this morning. Perhaps you can use your gifted mind on them now.
I do have a request, however, that you refrain from your open bigotry on this board. Referring to foreign national immigrants as ‘U.S. citizen knuckleheads’ is a little much.
By hillbilly ragger
October 25, 2008 12:56 PM | Link to this
Morningstar, who writes:
“Note I didn’t say ‘Christains,’ I said ‘Christain Right.’ Big difference here.”
Amen.
By "The Corporal"
October 25, 2008 12:57 PM | Link to this
Opie Taylor ….. Aunt Bee would be ashamed of you.
By Dennis
October 25, 2008 12:58 PM | Link to this
TW (11:39): A female Bush? Or a female Reagan?
I understand that you hate Bush, thus you view comparing someone to Bush as and insult. I disagree. Bush is not perfect, but a Gore presidency would have put us in this economic ditch we are in faster than the Deomocrats in Congress did.
I know. I know. You are suffering from “Bush is Evil Syndrome”; also called “Bush Lied People Died Syndrome”. I have sympathy for you.
Unfortunately, even thouugh many sufferers believe Obama will cure this Syndrome. I must warn you, evidence is strong that this sickness incurable.
By hillbilly ragger
October 25, 2008 1:01 PM | Link to this
Corporal, I guess there could be a case for impeachment and removal, if the President in your hypothetical had actively sought to suppress that information.
If on the other hand it had been a case where (say) the President’s parents had simply lied to him/her about the circumstances of his birth… eh. Who’d really care?
By "The Corporal"
October 25, 2008 1:03 PM | Link to this
To TW
I am so sorry. I meant to put a comma after citizen.
The knucklehead was meant for you.
By hillbilly ragger
October 25, 2008 1:06 PM | Link to this
later, gators.
By "The Corporal"
October 25, 2008 1:07 PM | Link to this
P.S. to TW
Did you check out that story (you may have to cut and paste the whole web address)?
Looks like Obama’s attorneys illegally ignored a federal court order?
I remember hearing a lot in the MSM about Palin ignoring a subpoena when all she did was have her attorneys attempt to legally delay or quash it.
Where’s the coverage?
By ByteMe
October 25, 2008 1:14 PM | Link to this
ragger: I really think we emerged from the stunted war economy because of two acts of government: the GI Bill and Eisenhower’s championing of the interstate highway system (he really was good at building supply lines!). Those two ideas really propelled our economy forward after the war.
It’s just fun, though, to point out where the discredited fiscal liberatarians have it totally wrong about government.
By Morningstar
October 25, 2008 1:18 PM | Link to this
Speaking of being uninformed….I watched Rachael Maddow (or however you spell it), on MSNBC last evening, and almost choked on my after dinner coffee.
Palin, bless her little heart, was on a roll defining “Research as an egregious earmark,” and waste of taxpayers’ money, and specifically mentioned the fruit fly. “I kid you not!” she said.
Work done with fruit flies and other pesky little creatures have led to help with autism in children, among other atrocious diseases. Guess she temporarily forgot about her very own special needs child. When whe initially began spouting off, special needs children was tops on the list.
Gotta build those bridges and fight those wars. You betcha!
By RW-(the original)
October 25, 2008 1:19 PM | Link to this
I hate when they send producers out to bug people at home, but I’ll make an exception just this once for an unrepentant terrorist. Question: What’s more ironic than a guy who allegedly conspired to kill cops calling for police back-up to shoo away a reporter? Answer: A guy in a red-star t-shirt, who helped write “Prairie Fire,” warning that reporter to respect his property rights and stay out of his front yard
Please note, the “I” in that excerpt is the writer.
By "The Corporal"
October 25, 2008 1:25 PM | Link to this
To hillbilly ragger
I hear you but the law is the law. The Constitution would have to be unpheld and the V.P. gets the nod !!
By getalife
October 25, 2008 1:29 PM | Link to this
“Palin Increasingly Disregarding Advice From Aides… Beginning To “Go Rogue”… Top McCain Aides “Going To Try And Shred Her After The Campaign To Divert Blame From Themselves”
Oh goodie, we get to see the real Palin.
Should be fun.
Geaux Tigers!
By TW
October 25, 2008 1:31 PM | Link to this
Dennis - fine. Please do continue to support Sister Sarah following the loss. Makes my life easier.
“Grunt” - for much the same reason that I do not cite Moveon.org, you should save the Newsmax stuff for the skinhead rallies.
brain wash much?
By getalife
October 25, 2008 1:34 PM | Link to this
RW,
obl blew up the Pentagon and killed thousands of Americans.
Maybe fox will mention him one of these days.
Geez.
By blue collared
October 25, 2008 1:36 PM | Link to this
jay: lots of “ifs” in this piece.
if ifs and buts were candy and nuts.
“the “polls”…hahahaha. so weak. so weak.
go dawgs
By @@
October 25, 2008 1:41 PM | Link to this
Southern Strategy my BUT your liberal pride is boundless jay……or is it?
Despite the actions of abolitionists, life for free blacks was far from idyllic, due to northern racism. Most free blacks lived in racial enclaves in the major cities of the North: New York, Boston, Philadelphia, and Cincinnati. There, poor living conditions led to disease and death. In a Philadelphia study in 1846, practically all poor black infants died shortly after birth. Even wealthy blacks were prohibited from living in white neighborhoods due to whites’ fear of declining property values.
African Americans were either refused admission to, or segregated in, hotels, restaurants, and theaters. Blacks had limited work and educational opportunities. They were often denied access to public transportation in cities, and allowed on trains only in “Jim Crow” segregated cars. They were also denied civil rights, such as the right to vote and the right to testify in court in many states, thus leaving them open to attack by thieves and mobs, and to being captured and sold by slave catchers. Black men and women were routinely attacked in the streets, and from 1820 to 1850, black churches, schools and homes were looted and burned in riots in major cities throughout the North, forcing many blacks to flee to Canada.
African Americans were refused admission… segregated… and denied… the right to vote…
Northern blacks were forced to live in a white man’s democracy, and while not legally enslaved, ——->subject to definition by their race.<——-
Time for your liberal superiority to let your people define themselves by the content of their character, rather than the color of their skin. Using race is something that your democrats are more apt to do.
I know far too many African Americans who have figured it out. Exchanging their conservative values in the interest of subjugation by the dems is something they are looking at in the here and now.
The dems, no matter how hard you try, cannot keep a good man or woman down regardless of race.
By TW
October 25, 2008 1:41 PM | Link to this
getalife@1:29 - agree, it should be a blast. Including today - let’s see how Sister Sarah does ‘on her own’ when the fit hits the shan about all the bs behind her pipeline claims.
What a tangled webe we weave, when we practice to deceive :-)
BTW - when did Christianity drop honesty?
By getalife
October 25, 2008 2:01 PM | Link to this
TW,
So called Christians have lost their way. Too much hate in religion these days.
By "The Corporal"
October 25, 2008 2:14 PM | Link to this
Poll
REPUBLICANS HAPPIER THAN DEMOCRATS
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2008309258_camphappy250.html
Let’s try this again in about six months.
By Mr Snarky
October 25, 2008 2:17 PM | Link to this
Jay, I think you’re right. The problem is that I haven’t heard any interesting new ideas coming out of the Conservative “elites”. Just the same old anti-government horsesh$@. If they had any interest in actual good government, like, say Eisenhower in the 50’s, people might start listening to them. ‘til then, the same stale message will get them nowhere. Unless something changes, people are going to associate the repubs with Katrina, Iraq and bushian governmental incompetence. It’s bad enough to pay taxes, but to pay them and see government systematical destroyed by party hacks for the benefit of cronies or corporations is even worse. Suck on that, Palinistas!
By RW-(the original)
October 25, 2008 2:21 PM | Link to this
Maybe you guys are right, this VP candidate really is an airhead.
By Orinca
October 25, 2008 2:22 PM | Link to this
It is ironic that Senator McCain, in attempting to consolidate the Republican party by selecting Governor Palin, has accomplished the opposite. The most painful barbs for his campaign have not come from the Democrats, but from Republican intellectuals.
By ByteMe
October 25, 2008 2:27 PM | Link to this
Orinca: I think you mean “conservative intellectuals”. Republican intellectuals don’t exist right now.
By Booger
October 25, 2008 2:29 PM | Link to this
Where’s the coverage, Corporal?
You guys crack me up. There was NO federal court order. Newsmax was full of it. You are trying to peddle yet another invention of the overheated conservative mindset. Do you honestly swallow everything those fools feed you?
And as I posted earlier, the lawsuit in question was tossed out yesterday as frivolous and groundless. Read it and weep.
Oh, and as to who is happier? I bet you’ll get a lot different result on or about Nov. 5.
By Midori
October 25, 2008 2:34 PM | Link to this
Booger - he’s happy being an idiot.
By TW
October 25, 2008 2:37 PM | Link to this
RW@2:21 - did you post the correct link? Biden chewed that silly woman in half.
Did you hear how Sister Sarah answered the third grader?
By Dusty
October 25, 2008 2:47 PM | Link to this
Ackmed@1:36
Well, good raghead, you make me laugh every time. You are the rebuttal to Captain Freedom but much funnier. May you make many trips to your mecca of the moment before your sad demise either by libs or by Osama the Bomb-ba. You da killa!!
Awww Bookman, Sarah Palin AGAIN?? Just shows how popular she has become. Otherwise you would not give her the time of day. She’s a winner.
How about a few lines on the great catastrophe that is coming. You know. The one that Biden predicted. No, not an election won by Obama but a great unknown miasma of misery that is supposed to test Obama. Yeah, since Obama has no experience, that might be a problem. Tell us how wonderful such an occasion might be.
By @@
October 25, 2008 2:51 PM | Link to this
AND jay! I shouldn’t have to point this out to an enlightened liberal such as yourself, but There, poor living conditions led to disease and death. In a Philadelphia study in 1846, practically all poor black infants died shortly after birth.
NOW, it’s YOUR party and candidate that promotes killing them prior to birth.
Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood was a New YANKER don’tcha know?
By RW-(the original)
October 25, 2008 2:54 PM | Link to this
Do you suppose they have the Obama goon squad looking through Barbara West’s trash yet?
Obama campaign cuts off WFTV after interview with Joe Biden
“This cancellation is non-negotiable, and further opportunities for your station to interview with this campaign are unlikely, at best for the duration of the remaining days until the election,” wrote Laura K. McGinnis, Central Florida communications director for the Obama campaign
I’m not sure that cutting off a station for asking a few tough questions is going to play too well along the I-4 corridor.
By Damn the Man
October 25, 2008 3:07 PM | Link to this
Yeah. Palin has less executive experience than Atlanta’s Mayor Franklin. You want her as VP? What were Palin’s executive accomplishments? She fired a librarian that told her she couldn’t ban books at the library, she used her office topursue a personal vendetta against her ex-brother-in-law, and she was all for the biggest pork project in Alaskan history (the bridge to nowhere) before she was against it. Great resume’ there.
By RW-(the original)
October 25, 2008 3:11 PM | Link to this
TW,
If Biden chewed that woman up why did the Obama campaign refuse any further access by her station? I can’t wait for the commercial where Obama says he wants to spread the wealth around while Biden says they aren’t planning any spreading the wealth around. Or the one where they give nearly a million bucks to ACORN, but not a dime of it was for voter registration. Was there a single honest answer Biden gave?
It’s too bad she was only given a four minute window since it didn’t allow her the time for follow ups. Why do you suppose the Obama campaign always limits these things so tightly?
ByteMe,
Why is it you take Orinca to task for using the very same wording Jay B uses in his article, but not a peep to Jay B?
By RW-(the original)
October 25, 2008 3:19 PM | Link to this
Dusty,
Bookman probably had to throw something about Sarah up here while he tries to figure out his next attack on Ashley Todd. If Jay B was on the ball he could have joined MSNBC and the AP in blaming Governor Palin for the St. Louis Blues goalie getting hurt last night
By getalife
October 25, 2008 3:22 PM | Link to this
crusty,
Captain really got to you but does not post here.
Are you going to show some patriotism and support Obama?
By TW
October 25, 2008 3:24 PM | Link to this
RW - lead dog picks the path. Were you around during the ‘w’ hay day?
As far as commercials - how about one with just McSame arguing whith himself over his many stances on ‘spread the wealth’ - heard a good line from him back in 2000 on the matter. I’m sure you’ve heard it by now :-)
And, yes, I’ve also seen some great footage of McSame at an ACORN rally. He must not remember.
Save what’s left of your cerdibility, RW. Apologize for hiding in ‘w’s backside for eight years, and then denounce the politics of Pitiful Palin.
Save yourself, RW - the boat is going down.
By AJC/DNC Management
October 25, 2008 3:33 PM | Link to this
By RW-(the original) October 25, 2008 2:21 PM Maybe you guys are right, this VP candidate really is an airhead.
That was really touching when Hair Plugs dismissed Miss West as a dunce by saying “I do not know who’s writing your questions.”
All women are ignorant, aren’t they, liberals?
Kowards.
By getalife
October 25, 2008 3:37 PM | Link to this
Game on.
Geaux Tigers!
By RW-(the original)
October 25, 2008 3:40 PM | Link to this
TOUCHDOWN DAWGS!
By getalife
October 25, 2008 3:44 PM | Link to this
Freakin rookie quarterback.
By getalife
October 25, 2008 3:49 PM | Link to this
Scott is running over them dawgs.
Facemask ref.
Touchdown Tigers!
By RW-(the original)
October 25, 2008 3:58 PM | Link to this
getalife,
College changed the facemask rule this year. Incidental contact with the facemask is no longer a penalty.
By RW-(the original)
October 25, 2008 4:02 PM | Link to this
Touchdown Dawgs!
By AJC/DNC Management
October 25, 2008 4:08 PM | Link to this
Thirteen campaign workers for Barack Obama yesterday yanked their voter registrations and ballots in Ohio after being warned by a prosecutor that temporary residents can’t vote in the battleground state.
Earlier in the week, O’Brien spoke with lawyers for both camps and urged them to make sure their staffs met permanent-residency rules, or face possible felony charges.-NY Post
Allah Akbar!
Yes we can!
By GbtB
October 25, 2008 4:11 PM | Link to this
How many years have I witnessed leftwing bloggers claiming to have all the solutions needed to to turn, what you perceive as Bush’s mistakes around?
But yet, not a one of you has the executive experience a governor has. Few, if any of you, has enough money in your checking account to require a monthly balancing act.
If you did, you wouldn’t spend your time blogging for government dollars all day, every day. You’d be using your time more wisely. Doing something constructive with it rather than depending on your dems to feed you ever more, the empty rhetoric essential to the HOPE you so lack.
HOPE doesn’t fill bellies. CHANGE won’t buy much at the grocery store. That burden will always be on YOU!
When the corporations are punished with Obama’s higher taxes, the pain will be passed down. Make no mistake about that hugely, remains to be experienced truth.
By RW-(the original)
October 25, 2008 4:17 PM | Link to this
Touchdown Dawgs!
21-7
By AJC/DNC Management
October 25, 2008 4:17 PM | Link to this
“That’s where all wealth comes from … It’s not from the government. It’s from invention and entrepreneurship and innovation. And our policies promote a legal and regulatory system which impedes our ability to grow entrepreneurship. Lastly, if we want to make [America’s workers] wealthier we have to quit demonizing quote, big corporations.”
As I walk out the door I ask Mr. Smith if he’s communicated these ideas directly to Barack Obama. “I haven’t met Barack Obama,” he replies. “He’s certainly a charismatic fellow and well-spoken. I just disagree with him on trade and taxes and energy and health care.”-WSJ
The president of Fedex^^.
By AJC/DNC Management
October 25, 2008 4:25 PM | Link to this
Mr. Obama claims no “working families” earning less than $250,000 would pay more in taxes, but that’s because he defines income more broadly than the taxable income line on the IRS form. If you’re an individual with taxable income of $164,550, you will pay more taxes.
Taken together, these add up to about a 10-percentage-point hike in marginal tax rates for those making more than $250,000 a year, including millions of small businesses that pay taxes at individual rates. The “marginal” rate refers to the rate paid on the next dollar of income, and it has an especially strong influence on decisions to work and invest.
Meanwhile, House Ways and Means Chairman Charlie Rangel has proposed an additional 4% “surtax” on incomes above $200,000. This would further increase the top marginal federal income tax rate to close to 50% — or slightly above that, depending on the rate of the new Social Security tax — when combined with Mr. Obama’s hikes.-WSJ
Allah Akbar!
Yes we can!
By getalife
October 25, 2008 4:27 PM | Link to this
21-10.
Hold them defense.
By norman ravitch
October 25, 2008 4:38 PM | Link to this
When the South was solidly Democratic it actually controlled the Democratic party to a large extent. Now that it has become Republican it is bound to cause resentment among the Yankees. The influence of the South, apart from hush puppies and pulled pork barbecue, is not good for the nation. Lincoln should have let the South go!
By getalife
October 25, 2008 4:42 PM | Link to this
Touchdown Tigers!
By Dusty
October 25, 2008 4:50 PM | Link to this
Dear Getal@3:22
I am going to feel very patriotic right after the election. And YES, I will support Obama…right out the door and back to “Acornizing the community”.
McCain, with his vast experience, will be happily running Washington as the lobbyists pack up and leave town. Cindy will be the most beautiful first lady since Jackie Kennedy. VP Palin will be advancing a cause for the benefit of all children. The economy will rise in great expectation as the stability in Washington spreads thoughout the country.
Gonna be a great patriotic day ..President McCain…the hero moves America forward. (And Bookman moves to the AJC Fish & Game Department.)
By getalife
October 25, 2008 4:56 PM | Link to this
dusty,
It is over.
Support President Obama or be unpatriotic.
By Dusty
October 25, 2008 4:58 PM | Link to this
Norman Ravitch,
Whatsa matter? You on the chain gang or something in Savannah? With all the planes leaving Savannah every day, I don’t know why you have to SUFFER here in the South? Take off, bub.
Lincoln would have been good to the South if some idiot hadn’t killed him. He would have kept all carpet baggers like you in their proper place…the frozen North.
By Dusty
October 25, 2008 5:00 PM | Link to this
getal,
The fat lady has NOT sung yet.
By getalife
October 25, 2008 5:05 PM | Link to this
24-17 at half. Good game.
By getalife
October 25, 2008 5:13 PM | Link to this
Ding, dong, the witch is dead.
Ashley and Sarah killed it.
Lets end rewarding failure crusty.
McCain deserves to lose.
He ran a horrible campaign and has horrible judgement.
Obama deserves to win. He ran a good campaign and stayed on message.
By Midori
October 25, 2008 5:26 PM | Link to this
Jesus, Crusty — I thought conservatives were happier?
what happened? Black cat got your acorn?
By Dusty
October 25, 2008 5:28 PM | Link to this
getal,
Obama DESERVES to win?? For his non-service in the military?? His limited years in the Senate? For his long friendship with Ayers?? For his long friendship with Jeremiah Wright? For his dealings with Rezko? For his desire to “take from the rich and give to the Poor’”? SPREAD THE WEALTH? For promises to raise taxes?
You may get what YOU deserve. I only want a good president and the only one running is McCain.
By Dusty
October 25, 2008 5:32 PM | Link to this
Did anybody speak to Midori? I didn’t.
By GMAN
October 25, 2008 5:33 PM | Link to this
Dustybutt is crying so loud I can here her clearly in Kennesaw! Do you want some cheddar with that whine?
Bush/McCain - Gambling with your children’s futures… and losing!
By getalife
October 25, 2008 5:35 PM | Link to this
Come on crusty,
After Obama is elected, I want you to show some real patriotism and be a real American.
By RW-(the original)
October 25, 2008 5:37 PM | Link to this
This should be Journalism 101. I’m not the guy who made Obama’s fundraising a story. The media did that when they ran hundreds of puff pieces marveling at his record-breaking cash haul, and in particular the gazillions of small donors. Isn’t the fact that his website has chosen to disable basic fraud protection procedures at the very least a legitimate addendum to those stories?
Oh, sorry, I was waiting for the chirping crickets. But evidently Mr C Cricket is over at Obama Central charging 20 bucks to his MasterChirp
Any journalists still in America?
By Dusty
October 25, 2008 5:38 PM | Link to this
GMAN
Please say something nice to Midori. She’s desperate. I am going out to dinner. So long..
By "The Corporal"
October 25, 2008 5:40 PM | Link to this
To Dusty
I tried to get Midori yesterday to promise he would never answer one of my posts if I would promise to never answer one of his.
It was a good deal for me but he wouldn’t bite.
Midori lives.
By RW-(the original)
October 25, 2008 5:45 PM | Link to this
Touchdown Dawgs!
By getalife
October 25, 2008 5:46 PM | Link to this
Damn. Great pass Ga.
By GMAN
October 25, 2008 5:48 PM | Link to this
RW-(the original), quit rolling around on the floor whining and take your beating like a man! Would you like some swiss with that whine?
Bush/McCain - Oh, why bother?
By AJC/DNC Management
October 25, 2008 5:55 PM | Link to this
All three liberal waves have transformed American expectations of the state. The spirit of the age is: Ask not what your country can do for you, demand it. Why can’t the government sort out my health care? Why can’t they pick up my mortgage?
More to the point, the only reason why Belgium has gotten away this long with being Belgium and Sweden Sweden and Germany Germany is because America’s America. The soft comfortable cocoon in which Western Europe has dozed this past half-century is girded by cold hard American power. What happens when the last serious Western nation votes for the same soothing beguiling siren song as its enervated allies?
Who will stand guard at the gate, now that America is gone?
Thomas Sowell is right: It would be a “point of no return,” the most explicit repudiation of the animating principles of America. For a vigilant republic of limited government and self-reliant citizens, it would be a Declaration of Dependence.-Steyn
The American Declaration Of Dependence, I like that.
Kowards.
By RW-(the original)
October 25, 2008 6:02 PM | Link to this
Touchdown Dawgs!
And no sportsfans, that’s not a double post.
By getalife
October 25, 2008 6:03 PM | Link to this
Well, like Obama, Ga. has the better team this year.
Like McCain, this one is over.
By RW-(the original)
October 25, 2008 6:11 PM | Link to this
getalife,
I wouldn’t write this one off yet.
By Midori
October 25, 2008 6:13 PM | Link to this
Yes, I do “live” Crusty.
Unlike your “dying” party……
can’t you whip up a quick spell or incantation?
or is your cauldron still on the blink?
By RW-(the original)
October 25, 2008 6:26 PM | Link to this
Aren’t we lucky? Jay B is still foaming at the mouth and gave us another round of PDS upstairs.
I guess we don’t have to feel bad about hijacking this one for football.
By RW-(the original)
October 25, 2008 6:29 PM | Link to this
Touchdown Dawgs!
By jon
October 25, 2008 9:59 PM | Link to this
A couple of things apparent from this election by blog:
The meanness and hate spewed forth by the supporters of the Democratic nominee is quite disturbing. While they call Republicans hatemongers, it is clear that the real seething hatred in this country is from the left side of the aisle.
But more appalling is the display by many that they don’t have a clue about how the economy of the United States works.
For example, the recession will in end in the 2nd or 3rd quarter of 2009. The President at the time will have nothing to do with it.
And Obama doesn’t have a clue how the economy of this country works. More Unions, more corporate taxes will equal more jobs going overseas, not less.
I see the poor people in this country in a state of near ecstasy about the election of The Chosen One. The reality is, that these people are going to still be poor and stupid after Obama is elected. Who will they blame then?
By SM Montaigne
October 25, 2008 11:49 PM | Link to this
“Dangerously” free hand?
Not at all.
The hand the Democrats will offer will be anything but dangerous, sir. In fact, it’s only “dangerous” if true believers like yourself in the Republican party define “dangerous” as “saving the nation.”
Please rewrite this article and resubmit. Balance, sir. Remember: balance.
By Cotton The Retiree
October 26, 2008 8:27 AM | Link to this
Everytime I see/hear the obama Information Minister ( oIM Joe Biden), I think of the former Iraqi Information Minister (Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf). LOL Out Loud!
By Carolyn in Georgia
October 26, 2008 9:31 PM | Link to this
I am a prochoice,fiscal conservative, independent. I sgree with Obama on many issues, but could never vote for someone who for 20 years went to an anti-American,racist church.The doctrine of Obama’s church required members to pledge their allegiance to Africa and many more African-American causes.There was nothing there for those who are not African-American. Why did it take 20 years and he still didn’t get it? He is too naive to be president. Although I disagree with McCain and Palin, I do think they are more honest.
By ernieson
October 27, 2008 10:45 AM | Link to this
Sarah Palin called on JOES THE WORKERS but she forgot to mention JOE THE VICE PRESIDENT. She called Obama the WEALTH SPREADER, but she failed to mention SARAH THE MANURE SPREADER. Her stump speech is loaded with half truths regarding her “achievements” in Wasilla and Alaska. She omitted that oil revenues to the welfare state of Alaska was the reason for lowering taxes there.
By GF
October 28, 2008 5:04 AM | Link to this
In the battle of the Palin wing vs the Anti-Palin wing - the Anti-Palin wing wins . It a simple matter , that’s where the money is .
In GOP world , the Palin wing is ,in truth, nominal GOP , the foot soldiers .
Real GOP membership requires a net -worth of , at least , the tens of millions it takes to rise above auxiliary or honorary GOP status . And a further requirement is , that one have a character sufficiently devoid of concern for the common good and posterity , as to permit or be party to , the nconscionable financial sabotage of America and its future . That too should be clear - to those who care to see .
Real GOPers never gave “1/2 a rip” about the “cultural issues ” that my beloved Southerns and others rally around , and the Real GOPers will take their Party back -it’s theirs andt it always has been .
Don’t forget , they were the “faux civil rights party ” before they were the ” faux cultural issues party ” but they have never faked was being the party of the rich .
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