Jay Bookman

By hillbilly ragger

October 22, 2008 11:34 AM | Link to this

Funny you should mention that. Oddly enough, the election of 1928 is the one I have to reach back to in order to find the last time we didn’t have a clear “incumbant” running on either side’s ticket (i.e., a VP or President, or at least someone who had been VP before, as was the case with Nixon in ‘68.)

Unless I’ve missed something, and I don’t think I have.

By TN Gelding

October 22, 2008 11:46 AM | Link to this

Let’s hope it’ll be another 80 years before we see another GOP winner, period. It might take that long to rise out of the current hole.

Chances are there’ll be a Bush on the next ticket.

[Latest polls.}(http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obamavsmccain/)

W.Va. leaning McCain.

By Citizen of the World

October 22, 2008 11:47 AM | Link to this

A Bush by any other name (McCain) still spells Karl Rove.

By Republicans Killed America

October 22, 2008 11:48 AM | Link to this

And, who changed his position on abortion from pro-choice to pro-life in order to set the stage for those successful pandering campaigns for the ultra right-wing Christian conservative vote? Further, once elected, what have these panderers actually done, beyond lip service, to change Roe v. Wade or anything related to abortion? Finally, what will they ever do, beyond providing lip service, to change Roe v. Wade or anything about abortion in general? Just listen to their words — McCain, Palin, etc. They make no promises to even attempt to change a thing. All they do is give the usual “feel good” lines like they do to every group that they pander to. Yet, that segment of pathetic little “I’m a believers” will continue to get suckered into giving their votes away to a party that could care less about their issue and that is the sad truth. Republicans — the party of the pandering faithful.

By TN Gelding

October 22, 2008 11:51 AM | Link to this

Latest polls,

By getalife

October 22, 2008 11:55 AM | Link to this

Ban the gop.

Protester Tries to Handcuff Rove

Hilarious.

By AJC/DNC Management

October 22, 2008 11:58 AM | Link to this

How about last democrat presidential candidate who won with a majority of the vote for $500, Alex.

I’ll take most discredited pollster for $1000.

By AJC/DNC Management

October 22, 2008 12:10 PM | Link to this

We as Americans cannot allow criminals to subvert our election. That’s why we’re asking you to sign our petition calling on the Secretaries of State in states with potentially fraudulent activity to do everything in their power to ensure that our votes are protected.

Sign the petition!

By RW-(the original)

October 22, 2008 12:14 PM | Link to this

I thought we were told that Bush was just another Hoover. Did you mean he sucked or were you talking about Herbert?

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Your hero Obambi finally took questions from the press today. He actually faced down FOUR questions and only two of those were, “How wonderful are you Barry?”

By findog

October 22, 2008 12:17 PM | Link to this

RKA @11:48

No, now, now, if the Republican’s go through with the complete change of Roe v Wade then the religious groups would have to do what Jesus would do and vote Democrat. SO, what the Republican’s will do is harass poor people and foreign aid groups at the fringes of society to appease their hate-base while promising them RvW repeal as a long term goal, not to end abortion but to stay in power…

By Midori

October 22, 2008 12:21 PM | Link to this

Andy,

the one and ONLY petition I will sign is one to have you committed.

By swolf

October 22, 2008 12:25 PM | Link to this

Too bad that lady wasn’t able to get Rove cuffed up before they stopped her! That S.O.B. oughta be handcuffed by somebody!

By Alison

October 22, 2008 12:26 PM | Link to this

Midori,

Thanks for that note on the petition; where can I sign?

I was under the impression that he was posting these from Georgia Regional already..

By Goldie

October 22, 2008 12:28 PM | Link to this

Ahh, Herbie Hoover — thanks for that history lesson, JAY. I forgot how far back the Republican disasters take us in American history. I keep thinking that Nixon began the downhill slide, but their display of incompetence actually began in the 1920’s…

By "The Corporal"

October 22, 2008 12:28 PM | Link to this

On another note:

Except in times of the military draft, this nation has for over 200 years been defended by the conservative middle and lower classes (90%+). This is especially true for those serving in the infantry and is also a phenomenon known as kept by better men than yourself.

With that said, I take comfort in knowing that if private Obammy gets in, you liberals of all classes will for the next four or eight years have your sons step up to the plate (especially the infantry) to proudly serve. I can just see the recruiters lining up at the elite universities now ………

By the way, is anyone interested in some swampland I have in Florida?

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 22, 2008 12:29 PM | Link to this

Where ever can you get a GOP presidential candidate for only 500 bucks?

Gee whiz, we’ve paid a hell of a lot more than that for the failure that is George W. Bush.

What’s that bill? 500 Billion? 300 Trillian?

By Taxpayer

October 22, 2008 12:34 PM | Link to this

Midori @ 12:21,

Again?

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 22, 2008 12:35 PM | Link to this

CORPORAL

PLEASE PROVIDE BACK UP FOR THIS CLAIM

“Except in times of the military draft, this nation has for over 200 years been defended by the conservative middle and lower classes (90%+).”

I don’t think that’s true.

By "The Corporal"

October 22, 2008 12:37 PM | Link to this

Sorry Jay - time to bring up an old issue again

Check this out:

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/police-prepare-for-unrest-2008-10-21.html

And by the way, if private Obammy should win a contested election be sure and watch for all of the McCain supporters rioting in the streets.

By Midori

October 22, 2008 12:38 PM | Link to this

LOL, Taxpayer and Alison:

His reputation does precede him, huh? :)

By lrd

October 22, 2008 12:42 PM | Link to this

Just happy we did not have a Clinton running this time either. We do not need a almost a constitutional monarch of “american royalty” be it Bush, Kennedy, Clinton etc…

By Taxpayer

October 22, 2008 12:43 PM | Link to this

Grunt Corporal,

Why haven’t your betters, starting with the bottom of the barrel, i.e., Bush, McCain, Palin, etc., proposed a draft. They should if these eternal wars are as important for the survival of humanity as they would have us believe. Instead, they choose the Hessian approach to fighting for their noble cause. Too bad they also chose to borrow the money to pay their Hessians from our grandchildren.

By Midori

October 22, 2008 12:43 PM | Link to this

Andy and Corporal: separated at birth?

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 22, 2008 12:49 PM | Link to this

COPORAL

thisis what should worry us all.

By Goldie

October 22, 2008 12:51 PM | Link to this

To the Corporal @ 12:28 — BOO!

You’re quaking in your boots that your Party is losing power in America.

By AJC/DNC Management

October 22, 2008 12:55 PM | Link to this

So Oblahma is spending $21,500,862 on Polling/Surveys/Research?

That’s an awful lot of internals.

Maybe somebody is spreading the results around, uh, their results that is.

Don’t believe the drive by media BS, America.

By AmVet

October 22, 2008 12:56 PM | Link to this

I don’t think that’s true.

Mrs. G,

Your suspicions are correct.

As one who has been there,I can ASSURE you that that number (90%+) was just pulled out of thin air and has no basis whatsoever in fact.

As you might imagine, like any gigantic organization, the US military is made up of a VERY broad spectrum of people with widely diverging views.

And the reality is two-fold. Yes, most servicemen vote Republican. But the gap recently has narrowed greatly (look at political contributions, ex servicemen who are disproportionately Democratic office holders and very senior military officers by the boatload who think the Cheney Doctrine/neo-conservatism is wrong headed and counter productive as evidence).

And it NEVER, EVER was 90%+ “conservative”…

By "The Corporal"

October 22, 2008 1:02 PM | Link to this

My Bad

I meant to say lower, middle and some upper middle class but seldom the elite. That’s the rough economic breakdown.

However, when talking liberal vs. conservative philosophy, surveys are harder to find but we know don’t we …………. (i.e., the Army Times information released this week).

And then let’s not forget all those ROTC programs at the elite universities and military recruiting problems in San Francesspool.

By Bosch

October 22, 2008 1:16 PM | Link to this

Paul,

For when you return:

Saw your response on the last thread.

Megyn Kelley - sure she’s easy on the eyes, I guess in some gross way that Baumann woman is too - you know if you just had to sit and look at her without her opening her mouth or anything.

But as far as political TV world is concerned Christianne Amanpour is um, well, far more attractive in the “Bosch Book of All Things Wise.” (Don’t do it - don’t say, “Oh, that book must be pretty thin!) :-)

The inside counts with me as well. Beauty and brains. Luckily, the other Bosch has both. Meow!

And to be honest, I’ve never seen Megyn Kelly in my life until I just googled her.

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 22, 2008 1:17 PM | Link to this

Seldom elite?

like….

Kennedys?

Kerry?

McCain?

By E

October 22, 2008 1:17 PM | Link to this

Do you belong to the army of patriotic Americans who are fighting to help get Obama elected and to save our democracy?

Then we need to gather our energies and fight voter fraud - it is the only way McCain could get this election.

Check to see what ID is required so you won’t lose your vote when you get there.

Robert Kennedy,Jr. recommends these two sites to all voters.

(www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/23638322/blockthevote)

and

(www.stealbackyourvote.org)

Obama/Biden ‘08

By "The Corporal"

October 22, 2008 1:18 PM | Link to this

THIS

http://www.aclu.org/safefree/general/37274prs20081021.html

is probably because of THIS

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/police-prepare-for-unrest-2008-10-21.html

In other words, if private Obammy loses a closely contested election (Surpeme Court decision due to fraud, etc.) the masses might get out of control and the police might not have the ability to handle them.

Thus: Martial Law

I like it! We had to do it once before when you guys by the tens of thousands were smoking dope on the Washington Mall and decided you might try to burn the Whitehouse down. We ringed the place with buses and dared you to come over them but you didn’t. We were sorely disappointed.

Cowards!

By RB from Gwinnett

October 22, 2008 1:19 PM | Link to this

Jay, are you saying the WaPo has access to password protected Al Q web sites? Wow! You suppose the people fighting them over in the middle east might want in on that?

Nice of you to leave out the paragraph from WaPo saying pretty much the same thing I did. Perhaps a lapse in integrity there Jay? Didn’t support your’s and Al Q’s agenda?

BTW, the people of this city don’t need someone to copy WaPo stories and paste them for us to read. We’re capable of getting that info on our own. Keep that in mind as you stick a finger in the eye of your customers, readership and revenue decline, and management looks for places to make cuts.

By "The Corporal"

October 22, 2008 1:24 PM | Link to this

To AmVet

Sure my airdale buddy. 90% may be a little high. A little hyperbole there and close enough for government work but we know the truth don’t we?

To Goldie

I expect you or your kids depending on your age to be lined up at that recruiting station on November 5th.

private Obammy is going to be tested. Don’t you want to help?

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 22, 2008 1:26 PM | Link to this

CORPORAL

And that martial law was declared when?

2005 in New Orleans?

1941 in Hawaii?

1906 or 1934 San Francisco?

PLEASE TELL US YOUR MARTIAL LAW STORY!

By E

October 22, 2008 1:26 PM | Link to this

Too funny! McCain uses the “c” word, again. Dirty old man!

(http://beltwayblips.com/video/didjohnmccainjustsaythecwordonlivetv/)

Obama/Biden ‘08

By getalife

October 22, 2008 1:27 PM | Link to this

Another real American likes martial law.

Pathetic private.

Dismissed.

By AmVet

October 22, 2008 1:30 PM | Link to this

Corporal, NOW you’re cooking with gas!

Of course, the middle and lower class make up the vast percentage of enlistments. (hell even draftees!)

And that is why I fully support Nader’s Draft from the Top proposal:

President Bush believes that the war in Iraq is “worth the sacrifice.”

The question then becomes - sacrifice by whom?

What about George Bush’s daughters - Jenna and Barbara?

Prince Harry served in Afghanistan.

Senator Jim Webb and Senator John McCain each have a son who has served in Iraq.

During World War II four of Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s sons entered the armed forces, as did General Eisenhower’s son, John Eisenhower.

No double standard for them.

So, why not Jenna and Barbara Bush?

And why not military service for the children of all members of Congress - who have funded this criminal war in Iraq?

There is a certain moral authority to govern - setting an example - sharing in the sacrifice initiated by the White House - that escape George W. Bush and Dick Cheney and their enablers in Congress.

They have children who have declined to serve during the Iraq war.

While over four thousand young American men and women have died in this needless, criminal war.

And tens of thousands have been seriously injured.

Why the double standard?

We have a simple cure for this double standard.

It’s called - draft at the top.

Pass a law that says this - whenever Congress and the White House take our country to war, all able-bodied military-age children of every member of Congress, the President and the Vice-President will be conscripted automatically into the armed forces.

Nader/Gonzalez supports draft at the top.

Clinton/Obama/McCain are opposed.

The chickenhawks would then have some skin of their own in the game, instead of just gladly getting OTHER people’s kid’s heads blown off…

By TN Gelding

October 22, 2008 1:31 PM | Link to this

“The Corporal”

October 22, 2008 12:28 PM

Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Gore and Kerry volunteer?

And you voted for Bush? I’d be ashamed to get out of the house.

By ByteMe

October 22, 2008 1:34 PM | Link to this

Another riddle: when was the last time a Bush or a Dole was not in Congress or the Presidency?

By Fly_on_the_Wall

October 22, 2008 1:35 PM | Link to this

I’ll be more worried about all of the Repugs if McCain loses in a close election since they are the ones that brag the most about their guns. Most Democrats I know that own guns don’t have the same attitudes about using them as Repugs do.

If McCapitalist loses, watch out! Maybe that’s what the Army is for.

By getalife

October 22, 2008 1:35 PM | Link to this

The military are planning something

Cuba found some oil so they may go after that.

By AmVet

October 22, 2008 1:37 PM | Link to this

BTW, corporal, you’re still an idiot if you think 90%+ of all serviceman are “conservative” is just a “little high”.

And that you think your outright lie is “good enough for government work” reflects on you terribly, not the US military whatsoever…

By Goldie

October 22, 2008 1:40 PM | Link to this

Corporal @ 1:24 — and you’re trying to say that your guy McAngry will not be tested if he were elected? And thank God above that’s not gonna happen! ‘Cause the whole world knows about his war-mongering, war-cheerleading ways for all eternity and we don’t want no mo’!

By "The Corporal"

October 22, 2008 1:41 PM | Link to this

I did - see post 1:18 above

We wanted a piece of you then but you wimped out ……..

Fast Forward 1971 May Day demonstations a UGA.

The word was at high noon the UGA student protestors were going to march by the ROTC building, take down the American flag and burn it.

At high noon a couple of hundred dope smoking, dirty, smelly, hippie-dippys came marching by and found about 40 of us veterans and 6 or so uniformed Army ROTC cadre encircling the flag pole. They kept going.

We wanted a piece of you then but you wimped out ………..

By David

October 22, 2008 1:42 PM | Link to this

AmVet,

I seem recall Obama mentioning a call to National Service in one speech.

For myself, I think we should require 2 year minimum of either civil or military service from all our young people. It would help restore a sense of responsibility for our country that is severely lacking these days. Not only that, it could help to restore our crumbling infrastructure.

By Goldie

October 22, 2008 1:47 PM | Link to this

AmVet @ 1:30 — also, Rep. Charles Rangel of NY had proposed reinstituting the draft with no exceptions, just to see how many Americans would be willing to support W’s occupation of the Middle East… His prediction was that our troops would have had to come home a long time ago!

And that’s one big difference between today’s occupation of Iraq vs. VietNam occupation — the blase’ attitude that many Americans had about Bush’s occupation was all because they were only told they needed to “go shopping” as a contribution to his war efforts!

What a hopelessly incompetent leader the Repug Party gave to America… and Bush still has about 3 more months in the White House, and what amount of problems is he leaving for the next prez to solve???

Un-friggin-believable.

By getalife

October 22, 2008 1:48 PM | Link to this

Ah, the private wants to kill Americans. Ga. college students.

Gitmo bound private.

POS.

By "The Corporal"

October 22, 2008 1:53 PM | Link to this

To AmVet

Calm down - hyperbole, HYPERBOLE !!

But on the draft we agree. Bring it back. No exceptions - none. A second year medical student makes a great medic !

To TN Gelding

On thing you are failing to consider in Bush’s defense. For one thing, the combat arms branches (infantry, armor, artillery) composes about 15% of the military but that’s normally where most of the casualities are. Since you’re talking about Bush lets talk Vietnam.

Unless, you were in the combat arms it wasn’t all that dangerous over there (of course unless it happened to you). I read a study years ago (you’ll have to trust me on this one) that unless you “were” in the combat arms you were actually safer in Vietnam than riding in your muscle car back in the states.

That said, Just learning to fly a military fighter jet is probably the most dangerous training assignment in the military. If you don’t believe me, check out the training statistics, pilots killed in training, etc. It’s very dangerous.

My point, President was in more danger learning to fly a jet aircraft than “many” of those serving in Nam at the time.

Just one Vietnam veteran Marine grunt’s opinion.

By Paul

October 22, 2008 1:54 PM | Link to this

getalife 11:55

[[Protester Tries to Handcuff Rove]]

Were they velvet?

I know he drives the women crazy, but really…

By Midori

October 22, 2008 1:55 PM | Link to this

Mrs. G —

PLEASE TELL US YOUR MARTIAL LAW STORY!

do we really want to read more of his stupidity?

By "The Corporal"

October 22, 2008 1:55 PM | Link to this

To Getalife

No, they chose wisely to live.

Punks then and grown up punks now.

By getalife

October 22, 2008 2:01 PM | Link to this

Paul,

She looked like Plame. At the end of that clip Mitchell brought down the house.

private,

You are a kook. I will not respond to such a pitiful creature anymore.

By "The Corporal"

October 22, 2008 2:03 PM | Link to this

P.S. to TN Gelding

Yes, Gore and Kerry “volunteered” but …. to be candid.

Gore

Rumor has it his Dad made him sign up so his would have some credentials for his future political life and he spent only six months in Nam as a journalist with MACV. Remember the famous photo of him int the bush? There was no magazine in the M-16! He also had “bodyguards” because his Dad was a senator.

Kerry

I have absolutey no respect for the man who called me and my fellow veterans the things he did. Dispicable! He also had three minor purple hearts (one maybe self inflicted that he wrote up himself) and therefore was able to abandon his men (three and you get to go home) with an early departure.

By Paul

October 22, 2008 2:06 PM | Link to this

Bosch 1:16 [[“Bosch Book of All Things Wise.” (Don’t do it - don’t say, “Oh, that book must be pretty thin!) :-)]]

One page constitutes a book?!!?

I used to tell my sons “so you look at them for 15 minutes. Then what?” They both passed on some knockouts who were really, if you picked up the signals, quite bonkers.

Check the Brit Hume evening Fox News show. Last 20 minutes, panel discussion. Mara Liasson from NPR. Has both.

Had a passing thought at 1:40 on the previous thread. I rather think Sen Obama ought to embrace “Tax and Spend.”

Oh, and add a moustache to that pic of Jay and… doesn’t he kinda look like Alex Trebek?

By "The Corporal"

October 22, 2008 2:07 PM | Link to this

To Midori

Were you one of those guys who kept on marching that 1971 May Day.

Sorry we didn’t meet. You should have come on down.

By Goldie

October 22, 2008 2:11 PM | Link to this

Corporal @ 2:03 — you ignorant slut.

By Morningstar

October 22, 2008 2:11 PM | Link to this

By Republicans Killed America October 22, 2008 11:48 AM Finally, what will they ever do, beyond providing lip service, to change Roe v. Wade or anything about abortion in general? Just listen to their words — McCain, Palin, etc.

They will do nothing. It would not be politically advantageous for the R’s to do anything to restrict abortions. Just look at the years they controlled the House and Senate, and even had an R president during that time. Heck, they could do it now! Notice the Supreme Court anyone???

Nope, it would not be politically advantageous for the R’s stop abortions.

Oh, they’ll come up with some goofball stuff such as “We believe the states should decide.” Poppycock and balony! This is the best tool the R’s have, although those who can read know abortion could have been stopped YEARS ago. I suppose it sounds good to bring it up every election. It reminds me of a duck with both bills loose, “quacka, quacka, quacka.”

By AJC/DNC Management

October 22, 2008 2:11 PM | Link to this

WASHINGTON (AP) - The presidential race tightened after the final debate, with John McCain gaining among whites and people earning less than $50,000, according to an Associated Press-GfK poll that shows McCain and Barack Obama essentially running even among likely voters in the election homestretch.

The poll, which found Obama at 44 percent and McCain at 43 percent, supports what some Republicans and Democrats privately have said in recent days: that the race narrowed after the third debate as GOP-leaning voters drifted home to their party and McCain’s “Joe the plumber” analogy struck a chord.

Now watch the stock market go back up.

By T

October 22, 2008 2:13 PM | Link to this

The draft!!!! Yes.. Draft women too.

Oh, by the way Dick Cheney’s daughter can’t serve. She told.

By Paul

October 22, 2008 2:15 PM | Link to this

Corporal

I really wish this didn’t keep coming up. There are no criteria for ‘seriousness of injury’ in awarding Purple Hearts. Admiral Zumalt, who served as Chief, Naval Operations Vietnam and later as Chief of Naval Operations, said those ‘Swift Boat’ units took about 75 percent casualties. They were risky - and Kerry volunteered.

Three Purple Hearts for men in those units was not unusual. Navy policy was that those receiving three Purple Hearts were automatically transferred out - no requests were necessary.

The Navy awarded him the awards, end of story. Same with my view of Pres Bush and his Air Guard time - Air Force officers held he completed his service honorably, end of discussion. To say otherwise for either is to accuse higher-ranking officers of dereliction of duty and making false official statements.

So disagree with Kerry where you will. Cite his judgment and later comments for political gain. That may all be true. But for six months - at least give him that.

By getalife

October 22, 2008 2:16 PM | Link to this

Paul,

No, Jay does have that political hair style but does not look like Alex.

Midori,

If that is “the private”, we should ignore him and let him talk to himself like Andy.

By Midori

October 22, 2008 2:22 PM | Link to this

Were you one of those guys who kept on marching that 1971 May Day.

Sorry we didn’t meet. You should have come on down.

I could probably kick your arse, poor misguided ignorant cretin.

Gore

Rumor has it his Dad made him sign up so his would have some credentials for his future political life and he spent only six months in Nam as a journalist with MACV. Remember the famous photo of him int the bush? There was no magazine in the M-16! He also had “bodyguards” because his Dad was a senator.

what a complete load of crap. did you skim this from the seat of your boxers?

Kerry

I have absolutey no respect for the man who called me and my fellow veterans the things he did. Dispicable! He also had three minor purple hearts (one maybe self inflicted that he wrote up himself) and therefore was able to abandon his men (three and you get to go home) with an early departure.

WTF is “3 minor purple hearts? Low grade moron. Only disgusting, DESPICABLE filth like you would have the nerve to try to separate army medals according to political party.

As for the “he MAYBE inflicted a wound on himself slur, you disgust me. What filth, posted by filth. I remember Michelle Malkin making that charge on Hardball. Chris Matthews laughed her off the set.

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 22, 2008 2:22 PM | Link to this

COPORAL

AND martial law was invoked or not?

By "The Corporal"

October 22, 2008 2:23 PM | Link to this

To Goldie

Now that’s not nice. You’re showing your bias and liberalism. This blog is for reasoned debate not vitriolic nonsense.

To Everyone Else

Goldie this is not for you. You are already having a meltdown.

Everyone should read this article about why not to vote for Obama. It’s great.

I especially like the part where he says the greatest time for blacks in America is not now when Obama may be president but it was way back when all of those trained black WWII veterans came home to segregation and bigotry and still had the patriotism to work within the system.

God bless them ………. they are now passing away by the hundreds everyday.

http://townhall.com/columnists/NealBoortz/2008/10/21/totheundecided_voter

By Taxpayer

October 22, 2008 2:25 PM | Link to this

Grunt Corporal,

I’ll bet you would do the Red Army’s uniform proud. You would probably get a kick out of running over someone with your tank. Talk about cowardice.

By "The Corporal"

October 22, 2008 2:26 PM | Link to this

To Paul

Except for the self-inflicted one that he wrote up himself.

And …… you reminded me that he didn’t have to leave. He chose to while his men stayed.

By TN Gelding

October 22, 2008 2:26 PM | Link to this

“The Corporal”

October 22, 2008 1:53 PM

Didn’t SBVFT go after Kerry because he killed a VC?

While they were trying to avoid contact with the enemy and Bush was protecting Texas? Didn’t Bush, like McCain, crash one or two? Have you got any info on why he was grounded?

My old USAF buddy was in Nam during the Tet offensive. He said they had one M-16 for the whole squadron and didn’t have any ammo for it. The Big Green Machine was able to protect them.

Just pulling your leg a little.

By Bosch

October 22, 2008 2:27 PM | Link to this

Midori,

Minor purple hearts are like kind of being pregnant.

Come on. Really, you should know that.

:-)

Paul and getalife,

I don’t know - I think maybe - with a moustache - it’s possible.

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 22, 2008 2:27 PM | Link to this

Boortz???

Too funny.

By AmVet

October 22, 2008 2:28 PM | Link to this

Goldie, I remember Rangel (Bronze Star - Korea) saying that.

I believe there are a couple of issues that if implemented would likely cause a revolution in this country

Outlawing abortion and forced conscription.

I do not advocate what happened in the sixties. It was a complete farce exemplified by the Hero of the Texas ANG getting shoved to the front of the line to avoid potentially going to the jungle.

And to some lesser extent, McCain’s going to Annapolis. Though at lest he had the balls to request a combat assignment. He also wrote “In all candor, we thought our civilian commanders were complete idiots who didn’t have the least notion of what it took to win the war”.

I won’t vote for him, but no matter his politics I admire the hell out of the guy. And am MUCH more willing to give him a break than any of the craven never-served, never-will neo-cons.

As I do all combat veterans regardless of political persuasion, though tellingly all but five are non Republicans - Jim Webb, Kerry (both of them), Cleland, Dole, Inouye, Chuck Hagel, Jack Murtha, Fritz Hollings, Gray Davis, Patrick Murphy, Leonard Boswell, “Pete” Peterson, Mike Thompson, Bill McBride, Duke Cunningham (since disgraced), Ted Stevens (since disgraced), Chuck Robb, Howell Heflin, George McGovern, Lloyd Bentsen, John Glenn and George Herbert Walker Bush.

The reality is that if the draft were mandated today, hundreds of thousands of young men and women would not report, go to Canada, etc…

And I truly believe there would be virtually no statistical difference between the feel-good libs and the chicken hawk cons who would do so.

David, Nader has a ton of great ideas.

He is the only man in my lifetime who has the courage and tenacity to take on IN A HUGE WAY, the utterly dysfunctional and corrupted two party system.

I encourage everyone to read more about him and join with us who are not owned and taken for granted by the DNC AND/OR RNC.

By Bosch

October 22, 2008 2:31 PM | Link to this

Midori,

Follow up, it really amazes me to the absolute depths some will go (self-inflicting wounds) in their attempt at admitting that someone they don’t like - someone they actually hate - based simply on the fact that they disagree with them politically - did something good.

It’s beyond irrational, it’s more down the psychotic, sociopathic, personality disorder, serial killer - road.

By tcoach

October 22, 2008 2:35 PM | Link to this

Corporal we are for the same candidate, but you are going a little over the top.

I rarely, this may be teh first time, agree with Midori. What she( i hope that’s right) said about keryy’s purple hearts. Those were awarded by high ranknig officials. Far be it anyone without evidence to question their judgemnt and charecter.

You are just getting a little bit passed the line. It is pointless to attack people more than their ideas. I agree I think Kerry and Gore have questionable views at best. You loose credibility when you go nuts though.

Stick up for what you believe and fight hard for it, but do not lower yourself to the point of attacking people.

We are all human and therefor capable of mistakes and most of us make them daily, so none of us can go after people instead of their decisions.

I know some from the left side are horible in their attacks as well. That is when you should take the time to demonstrate your charecter not your ability to be vile as they do.

It’s an old saying but 2 wrongs do not make a right.

Hope I did not anger you but I would be a hypocrite if I did not say something.

By AJC/DNC Management

October 22, 2008 2:37 PM | Link to this

I’ll take “full blown left wing liberal extremists that were silly enough to think they could be elected president” for $800, Alex:

Contrary to other polls, some of which show Obama ahead by double digits, the IBD/TIPP Poll shows a sudden tightening of Obama’s lead to 3.7 from 6.0. McCain has picked up 3 points in the West and with independents, married women and those with some college. He’s also gaining momentum in the suburbs, where he’s gone from dead even a week ago to a 20-point lead. Obama padded gains in urban areas and with lower-class households, but he slipped 4 points with parents.

Attack the plumber, the woman, the rednecks and spin.

By Bosch

October 22, 2008 2:38 PM | Link to this

Hey, according to Sarah Palin, the VP is “in charge” of the Senate.

This woman is an idiot - a completely dysfunctional idiot.

Please get her back to Alaska asap.

By "The Corporal"

October 22, 2008 2:40 PM | Link to this

To Taxpayer

Sorry, I was in the infantry.

To TN Gelding

Well, crashing a plane (and Bush may have) shows you just how dangerous it is. But …. I have you 5 by 5.

To Mrs. G

Are you talking the Wiskey Rebellion in 1794 (were you there?) or Baltimore/Washington, D.C. in 1968?

P.S. How did you like my Washington Mall and May Day stories?

We really were very disappointed.

By Paul

October 22, 2008 2:40 PM | Link to this

AmVet

A good portion of this country is of German descent.

Many Germans came here in the 1800s to avoid forced conscription in the Kaiser’s army (and before that, the various area armies).

America didn’t have that. America was free.

I’d just as soon it remained so.

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 22, 2008 2:44 PM | Link to this

Perhaps the lovely Governor thinks the Senate serves at her pleasure….

By "The Corporal"

October 22, 2008 2:45 PM | Link to this

To TCoach

I hear you but stand my ground.

These were accusations made by the men he left behind. He was/is a disgrace to the uniform and to most of us veterans for what he did after the war. Benedict Arnold wore the uniform of the United States but guess what ?

I would love to meet him in person someday to discuss what he said about me further.

I owe that to the men I carried from the field of battle never to see their loved ones again.

Semper Fi

By Bosch

October 22, 2008 2:46 PM | Link to this

Okay, another idiot alert:

“”Liberals hate real Americans that work and achieve and believe in God.”—-Rep. Robin Hayes, a five-term Republican

Okay people - this sh!t has GOT TO STOP!!!

By Bosch

October 22, 2008 2:49 PM | Link to this

Mrs. G.

Please, you know I love you and all, but do not ever use the word “lovely” describing the current Gov. of Alaska.

The idiot doesn’t even know what the VPOTUS does, or is too frakking stupid to articulate it.

Either way, OMG!!! Get her back to moose hunting — quick!!!

By Midori

October 22, 2008 2:55 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

it really is disgusting.

according to that lunatic, the only service that matters is of that of a Republican.

how utterly and completely disgusting.

Much like his “road to nowhere” posts.

By Bosch

October 22, 2008 2:56 PM | Link to this

I wish that a reporter or someone interviewing Sarah Palin would ask her what socialism means.

She’d be like all “uhhhhh, uhhhhhh, uuhhhhh”

By Bosch

October 22, 2008 2:59 PM | Link to this

I think I’m going to make me a bumper sticker that reads:

“This liberal works, has achieved quiet a bit, AND believes in God.”

Do you think that would fit on a bumper sticker?

By AmVet

October 22, 2008 3:02 PM | Link to this

Paul, I agree.

My grandfather escaped the gestapo with his wife and their only child, my mother, and fled to England, via Switzerland and goes knows where else.

BTW, the many of the English people treated the expatriated Jews like cr@p and in some cases even blamed them for the war.

I do not advocate preemptive invasions/occupations and endless saber rattling in lieu of responsible, much more effective negotiations.

As an educated and supposedly enlightened people I think talking our way through problems is preferable to fighting our way through them.

Some times, of course, there is no real choice - as with the situation in Afghanistan. And I for one absolutely loved seeing the US kill a bunch of those sorry Taliban mf’ers.

But Iraq?

An utterly failed grand experiment in exporting our values cloaked as democracy to a country that could give a flying f&ck and the majority of whom want us gone tomorrow.

A blunder comparable to Viet Nam…

By Bosch

October 22, 2008 3:03 PM | Link to this

Midori,

And what is equally disgusting and to be honest, really disturbing is this trend by Republicans to say that ONLY they are Pro-American, patriotic, whatever.

Hell, what’s it gonna be next week? I mean, in the past couple weeks we’ve had Obama as a terrorist (didn’t work), a stealer of elections (didn’t work), a socialist (didn’t work) — I guess the only thing left is the god damn ANTI-CHRIST, or SATAN himself! Yeah, maybe that’ll work!

WTF is wrong with these people? Hell, McCain said something along those lines today in West PA. And now, Palin is “IN CHARGE” of the freaking Senate, and then this idiot in NC.

OH, my brain’s about to explode! I need a beer.

By Taxpayer

October 22, 2008 3:03 PM | Link to this

So, Grunt Corporal, the Infantryman. No tank to hide behind but no denial that you stood your ground and faced down those American citizens. You talk as though you might have proudly killed fellow Americans. Is that what you’re saying, Grunt. Well, no purple hearts awarded for killing protesting civilians unless you sign up for a tour of duty in the Red Army, Grunt.

By AJC/DNC Management

October 22, 2008 3:14 PM | Link to this

By Midori October 22, 2008 2:22 PM Remember the famous photo of him int the bush? There was no magazine in the M-16! He also had “bodyguards” because his Dad was a senator.

what a complete load of crap. did you skim this from the seat of your boxers?

i r o diM: No lie, no magazine and lucky for him because the idiot is pointing the muzzle right at his own forehead.

Just think, we came this close to never having the internet.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 22, 2008 3:35 PM | Link to this

Corporal and all the rest of you. On the surface i don’t have a problem with requiring service, but I don’t want any of the spineless little maggots who post here every day standing beside me or any of my friends or family with a rifle when the when the time comes to stand for something. Not them, their kids, their mom, dad, friends, neighbors, any of them. They’ll turn and run with their head up their arses and leave a solier hung out to dry just like the did in Nam and just like they’re doing to our men in Iraq right now.

Pathetic surrender monkeys.

By Goldie

October 22, 2008 3:36 PM | Link to this

This blog is for reasoned debate not vitriolic nonsense.

Corporal @ 2:23 — I guess you need to just excuse yourself and leave now. Take your “vitriolic nonsense” to someplace where you’re appreciated for a change, why dontcha?

By Goldie

October 22, 2008 3:42 PM | Link to this

Corporal — while you’re busy judging others’ military service, why don’t you go ahead and give your explanation of why Papa Bush pulled all those strings to get Bush Jr. into the Texas Air N.Guard? And please tell us all how many “purple hearts” your jerk of a guy got while serving in the TX ANG???

Barf-bag.

By Billy

October 22, 2008 3:42 PM | Link to this

“Just learning to fly a military fighter jet is probably the most dangerous training assignment in the military.”

Explains the 4 1/2 destroyed while McCain was in the cockpit…

For the record, I find Coprophile’s repeated use of “Obammy” to be somewhat racist.

Obama —> Obammy —> Sammy —> Sambo?

I mean, I’m perfectly willing to accept another explanation for using “Obammy”, but I can’t think of one so far. “NObama” and “OBLAHma” make sense if you disagree with or just plain dislike the man. What exactly is the meaning behind “Obammy”, though?

By Goldie

October 22, 2008 3:46 PM | Link to this

WTF is wrong with these people?

Great question, Bosch… you have so-called “military” people who post here day after day, and who will call names to other military veterans if they dare say they’re not Republicans! These are truly disgusting people that do that!

Makes me wanna get a barf-bag … but I agree with you: I’ll get a beer first!

By "The Corporal"

October 22, 2008 3:48 PM | Link to this

To Taxpayer

No need to kill anyone. Just rough them up a little. But since you brought it up, I faced down NVA soldiers and have more respect for them than those protesting punks (and you out there who are 60 now know who you are).

To AJC/DNC Managment

HA! HA! Thanks for setting Midori straight.

To Goldie

I guess that means you or your kids won’t be enlisting in the Marines ?

To RB from Gwinnett

You remember the old 10% rule. They were always there. Goes with the territory.

To Mrs. G.

You never said how you liked my two stories ? And how about that martial law thing in D.C. ?

To All

Even the corporal has a honey-do list. I am out of here until late this evening. Sorry that most of you won’t be disappointed. You liberals just stroke yourselves until I get back.

By David

October 22, 2008 3:50 PM | Link to this

RB,

Really, are you serious? People with attitude like yours in Basic Training get changed pretty quickly, because you have to function as part of a unit, meaning not thinking you’re better than everyone else. Have you even ever served?

I don’t recall politics ever coming between me and my fellow soldiers, on the battlefield or at the base in Germany.

There are a lot of people who have served who didn’t necessarily agree with the reasons for the conflicts they were in, but served nonetheless, because that’s what service is all about.

As a civilian, I can dissent and try to prevent needless conflicts like Iraq, because I personally know the cost of war, having lost friends and having a family history in the military that goes back before the Civil War.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 22, 2008 3:50 PM | Link to this

Goldie, he said “reasoned” debate. You have the reasoning skills of a turnip.

By findog

October 22, 2008 4:05 PM | Link to this

Corporal @2:03 Gore’s dad was out of office when he went to Vietnam. President Nixon made sure he didn’t go to deprive the possible credit his father might receive for the son’s service.

As for Marshal Law, I was at the Georgia Capital when the riots over the LA Cops being acquitted of beating Rodney King. Steal the election and that would feel like the good old days…

By @@

October 22, 2008 4:09 PM | Link to this

jay: This time around, the Dole is your dem candidate.

dole (transitive verb): to give or distribute as a charity

What’s in a name, right? It’s his words that matter.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 22, 2008 4:27 PM | Link to this

David, there is a difference between those who would prefer to be somewhere else and those who openly undermine the unit. Unless you’ve been living under a rock for the last 8 years, you know the liberals in this country don’t have the fortitude to fight for anything any longer. Their support of our efforts in Iraq lasted about as long as season 3 of American Idol and then they turned on our troops. Openly and proudly. Those morons still think we’re fighting Iraq and if Obama is elected we can just pack up, go home, and everything will be fine. If you had people like that fighting beside you, YOU WOULDN’T BE HERE.

By Taxpayer

October 22, 2008 4:32 PM | Link to this

Grunt Corporal,

I cannot envision you roughing up anything tougher than a sheet of Bounty and then only if it is not one of the new and improved sheets. No, not you, not the armchair Infantryman. I think you have simply day-dreamed about one day being smart enough to work on a shrimp boat and learning a few hundred ways to prepare them. Let’s see, there are fried shrimp, boiled shrimp, breaded shrimp….

By TN Gelding

October 22, 2008 4:37 PM | Link to this

“The Corporal”

Bottom line, none of you should have been in Vietnam.

I apologize for the politicians that put you in harm’s way.

By David

October 22, 2008 4:42 PM | Link to this

RB,

I respectfully disagree with you, and perhaps that’s just as well.

While I would love to have our troops out of Iraq, I don’t think that the Iraqi govt is equipped to take over operations. Regardless of their (Iraqi Govt) PR efforts in saying the the US should leave, they are doing that more for public support than based on actual readiness. Leaving Iraq will be a lengthy process, no matter who becomes President.

You also glossed over that facts that Republicans want the Iraq over, as well. The reason this war lacks public support is because of several factors: Bush/Cheney’s reasons for going in changed on a weekly basis, Rumsfeld sent in a woefully inadequate number of troops, and Bremer disbanded the Iraqi army.

Maybe if these mistakes had been avoided, expectations might have been more reality-based and the operations would have more popular support.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 22, 2008 5:08 PM | Link to this

David, You disagree, then write a bunch of stuff unrelated to the prior subject. In fact, all stuff I agree with. Here’s the thing, though. It’s easy for all of us to play Monday morning QB on what should have been done here or there or that should have been handled differently. That’s easy to do and produces some really good plans. It’s also completely worthless.

We’re there and we’re not leaving until the Iraqi people can sustain themselves. No amount of whining by liberals or promises by Obama is going to change that. And if the liberals in this country thinks McCain wants to be in Iraq a single day longer than Obama does, they’re idiots who aren’t paying attention. And that they are. Idiots.

By "The Corporal"

October 22, 2008 7:35 PM | Link to this

To Taxpayer

I choose DD-214’s at 20 paces !

Are you game ?

By "The Corporal"

October 22, 2008 9:05 PM | Link to this

To Billy

Sorry, just saw your post re:

Obama —> Obammy —> Sammy —> Sambo?

You should be ashamed. Shows where your mind is.

But in the interest of clarity ………..

It’s not Obammy as in Sammy It’s Obammy as in Mommy which is short for Obamination !!

I guess I could have used an i but the y looked better.

Again, shame on you!

Being a racist means you think another race is genetically inferior. Is that what you were suggesting or were you just trying to infer I was bigoted or prejudiced? Try not to show your ignorance.

By the way, do you think calling a sitting President of the United States Dubya is a racist term? You know, making fun of the way white people pronounce W in Texas ?? Just curious.

By "The Corporal"

October 22, 2008 9:11 PM | Link to this

To TN Gelding

There are those on this blog who will mock this (which is their right) but in case you haven’t seen this, it’s the best quote I think I’ve ever read on the whole Vietnam debacle.

“If there was immorality in the war in Vietnam, it was that a democratic nation called her citizens to war, had them killed by the tens of thousands, and then, like a faithless lover, turned and scorned the survivors. Oh, perfidious nation!”

Once a Warrior King by David Donovan

To Ms. G

You never said how you liked my two stories ? And how about that martial law thing in D.C. ?

I’m still waiting. Cat got your tongue ?

By Zach

October 22, 2008 9:20 PM | Link to this

Hey Corporal,

Why not take advantage of that new mental health program approved for vets? You would be some case study.

By "The Corporal"

October 22, 2008 9:29 PM | Link to this

To Zach

Do you have a question sir or want to debate an issue ?

If so, have at it.

By Zach

October 22, 2008 9:37 PM | Link to this

You arent here to debate, Corporal. You are here only to drunkenly swagger and troll. You haven’t offered any real debate in any of your posts.

You and RB and your girlfriend Andy are only here to stir the pot. None of you are capable in critical thinking, because all you do is parrot talk show talking points like a ditto head orgy.

By "The Corporal"

October 22, 2008 10:55 PM | Link to this

To Zach

Fair enough. You had your chance.